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craig

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« Reply #1080 on: February 04, 2016, 08:49:31 pm »
Heh, probably a lot less.  Johnson is rarely included in people's top-ten lists, and near the back when he is. 
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« Reply #1081 on: February 04, 2016, 11:10:18 pm »
For me, one of the few off-season disappointments is that Cubs were unable to trade for a quality starting pitching prospect to park at AAA who is close to major-league ready. Easier said than done. I assume that Cubs made an attempt to do that but didn't want to overpay.
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davep

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« Reply #1082 on: February 05, 2016, 10:08:02 am »
Very much easier said than done.  Quality prospects of any type are seldom traded for other than established veterans.  And the Cubs really don't have any established veterans that they can spare this year.  Montero and Soler probably come the closest, and Montero doesn't seem to be in much demand, while Soler is really not established at this point.  Coghlan probably wouldn't return very much.

I think bringing in Warren in return for Castro probably comes closest, and will be a great help to the team.  But he is hardly an AAA level player.
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« Reply #1083 on: February 05, 2016, 12:25:07 pm »
Thinking more of prospect-for-prospect deal for pitching prospect to park at AAA. Don't see too many of prospect/prospect deals but happen on occasion. Guys who seem blocked in Cubs system--McKinney, Candelario--could see that type of deal for comparable pitcher. Hard to do but guessing Cubs explored that, given position player weighted system of late.
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craig

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« Reply #1084 on: February 05, 2016, 12:41:21 pm »
I'd figured Castro might be traded for a guy like that.  Hopefully getting Warren instead will provide excellent value. 
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« Reply #1085 on: February 05, 2016, 02:13:09 pm »
I think they had hopes for Jacob Turner and may still have hope for Edwards.   They've also manifested a great skill at recognizing potential fixes and retreads: Arrieta (to an extent), Cahill, Richard, Rodney, Strop, plus finding the right seat on the bus for Wood.   I'm still hoping they swoop in on Lincecum as another reclamation project.
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« Reply #1086 on: February 05, 2016, 05:21:08 pm »
I get the sense that the Cubs have completely abandoned the idea of Edwards as a starter.
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Jes Beard

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« Reply #1087 on: February 05, 2016, 07:42:20 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on February 05, 2016, 05:21:08 pm
I get the sense that the Cubs have completely abandoned the idea of Edwards as a starter.

Why?  What gives you that sense?
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Jes Beard

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« Reply #1088 on: February 05, 2016, 07:43:55 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on February 05, 2016, 02:13:09 pm
I think they had hopes for Jacob Turner and may still have hope for Edwards.   They've also manifested a great skill at recognizing potential fixes and retreads: Arrieta (to an extent), Cahill, Richard, Rodney, Strop, plus finding the right seat on the bus for Wood.   I'm still hoping they swoop in on Lincecum as another reclamation project.

I've mentioned liking that possibility for about 8 months now.
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CUBluejays

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« Reply #1089 on: February 06, 2016, 06:25:56 pm »
 BA came out with their top 31. They would also rate the Cubs system at 20, which seems very low.
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craig

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« Reply #1090 on: February 06, 2016, 07:51:12 pm »
Interesting, surprising. 

Perhaps speaks to their valuation of stars.  Cubs have a good deep system, but not much star-power on their list. 
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« Reply #1091 on: February 07, 2016, 12:45:37 am »
It does seem like our farm system is weak again.

With all of the stud horses we've promoted in the last few years we've been spoiled but our big name promotions this year should be Contreras, Almora, and Pierce Johnson.
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« Reply #1092 on: February 07, 2016, 08:45:19 am »
The Cubs farm system is far from weak. It lacks talent like Bryant, Russel, Schwarber, Soler and Baez. Outside of the Dodgers and Red Sox no other system can come close to that. The Cubs still have a fair amount of top 100 talent, young guys with a lot of upside and depth.  When all the lists are released this will be an outlier.
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brjones

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« Reply #1093 on: February 10, 2016, 12:55:01 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on February 06, 2016, 06:25:56 pm
BA came out with their top 31. They would also rate the Cubs system at 20, which seems very low.

Keith Law has a much more favorable rating.  He says the Cubs have the #4 farm system:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/14726383/atlanta-braves-top-farm-system-rankings-2016-mlb

They graduated Kris Bryant, Kyle Schwarber and Addison Russell, but are still loaded with talent, albeit most of it unlikely to help before 2017. The system has long been light on arms, but there's some pitching coming if you squint hard enough into the distance.
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« Reply #1094 on: February 10, 2016, 02:27:51 pm »
Stolen from the CCO write-up

"Theo Epstein said last month that he thought the system fell in the five to seven range among the 30 teams. Keith Law has always been brutally honest when it comes to the Cubs and their prospects. Law ranking the Cubs’ system fourth is in line with the way the organization as a whole is viewed throughout the game."

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