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Chris27

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1155 on: March 15, 2016, 07:58:41 pm »
Somehow we missed posting Chris Crawford's top-10 list from BP. Quite different looking than the others amassed so far.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=28626

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1156 on: March 17, 2016, 12:30:58 pm »
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/coachs-video-view-dylan-cease/#Okq05Zg4JpD4xcRY.97

Some video and game report on Dylan Cease. Still very fast, still variably wild. 

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1157 on: March 17, 2016, 01:14:35 pm »
Most exciting prospect in the system.  Not the best, but the most exciting.

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« Reply #1158 on: March 17, 2016, 04:11:01 pm »
The only pitcher in the system with elite potential.


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« Reply #1160 on: March 17, 2016, 05:30:31 pm »

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1161 on: March 17, 2016, 05:52:45 pm »
John Arguello ‏@CubsDen  2h2 hours ago
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Big fan of all 3. Steele got a lotta love yesterday, Stinnett's stuff already looks better right now than last year

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1162 on: March 17, 2016, 07:46:12 pm »
https://twitter.com/CaliKusiolek

Had Stinnett touching 96.  Had a bp pic of Jiminez.  Nice looking swing. 

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« Reply #1163 on: March 17, 2016, 08:09:09 pm »
https://twitter.com/CaliKusiolek

Had Stinnett touching 96.  Had a bp pic of Jiminez.  Nice looking swing. 

This guy would be a champ at scouting buzzword bingo.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1164 on: March 18, 2016, 05:10:20 am »
AzPhil reports on a South Bend/Myrtle Beach game last night which included a long Jimenez homer and a Dillon Maples sighting.

http://www.thecubreporter.com/03182016/eloy-no-joy-bees-riverview-park

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1165 on: March 18, 2016, 08:26:22 am »
AzPhil reports on a South Bend/Myrtle Beach game last night which included a long Jimenez homer and a Dillon Maples sighting.

http://www.thecubreporter.com/03182016/eloy-no-joy-bees-riverview-park

Clifton and Alzolay were both good.  Arguello has said Alzolay has looked good other times he's seen him, too. 

Favorable report on both Stinnett and Steele. 

Some poster on CubsDen who the others seem to respect as being pretty knowledgeable about pitching said that Blackburn had looked unexpectedly good when he saw hims a few days ago.  He's always been a guy who seemed to be a pretty good pitcher, but didn't have enough velocity or curve-ball consistency to get much prospect traction.  Would be cool if some little adjustment enabled him to throw 2 mph faster without compromising his fastball command, and turned the curve into more of a K-pitch. 

A lot of the Myrtle guys, they were all reasonably effective, but other than Underwood none had the velocity, or the sizzle or high-K rates, to get much traction as big-league prospects.  I wonder whether with another year of development, and with a new pitching coordinator, whether one or two might perhaps throw a little harder this year, or have a little sharper break or more consistency with breaking ball so that the K's go up.  Add 1-2 mph to rest velocity, add 3 mph to "touches" velocity, maybe throw those high-speed pitches 3-4 times per game instead of 3-4 times per month, maybe get more K's with the improved breaking ball?  Maybe sustained/improved success in AA when you're not far off, while having modestly improved scouting reports, might raise stock variably?  Perhaps have more value in a trade?  Perhaps merit more consideration for back-of-rotation in a future post Hammel or Lackey? 


One of the early reported Derek Johnson concepts was that he didn't want young pitchers overthrowing a velocity band where they could command.  Both for control reasons, consistency reasons, and health reasons.  If a guy's "control band" was 88-90 one year, even though he had the physical strength to throw harder, perhaps with a new year he can command the higher range, and could now use his 90-92 velocity regularly without compromising control?  Or perhaps new coordinator doesn't have the same philosophy, and wants guys to throw harder, so guys will have higher velocity and perhaps improved scouting, even if it may not help their actual control or effectiveness?  But might boost trade value as a result?  Or maybe when a guy is reaching upper minors, the cautions on throwing too hard are removed, and guys who were told to work in the 88-91 range will let it rip more and will be hitting 91-93 a lot more often?
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1166 on: March 18, 2016, 09:04:45 am »

A lot of the Myrtle guys, they were all reasonably effective, but other than Underwood none had the velocity, or the sizzle or high-K rates, to get much traction as big-league prospects.  I wonder whether with another year of development, and with a new pitching coordinator, whether one or two might perhaps throw a little harder this year, or have a little sharper break or more consistency with breaking ball so that the K's go up.  Add 1-2 mph to rest velocity, add 3 mph to "touches" velocity, maybe throw those high-speed pitches 3-4 times per game instead of 3-4 times per month, maybe get more K's with the improved breaking ball?  Maybe sustained/improved success in AA when you're not far off, while having modestly improved scouting reports, might raise stock variably?  Perhaps have more value in a trade?  Perhaps merit more consideration for back-of-rotation in a future post Hammel or Lackey? 


They'd better hurry considering Hammel's in his last year and Lackey won't be there more than two. All the sniffing around for Ross, Carrasco, Salazar, Miller, and Tehran showed the FO knows it has no replacements for those guys. Something is going to have to happen, whether it's at the deadline or after this season. They really need TWO good, cost-controlled pitchers.

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1167 on: March 18, 2016, 10:08:05 am »
Yes.  Everybody was all happy with getting Lackey, and it being "only two years".  But, only two years means it's only two years, and he'll need to be replaced very soon. 

A note:  Cubs do have an option on Hammel.  The assumption has been that the Cubs will want to dump him after the season, if not sooner.  But there's also the possibility that he'll be just fine, and that the adjustments that he's made will enable him to better-sustain the first-half decency he's shown these last two seasons.  There's a fair chance that if some of the rising pitchers do look encouraging this year, that extending Hammel for one more year would give the Cubs more time and the prospects more time to be ready.  So, that could in effect provide two years of opportunity for guys to sink-or-swim as give-them-a-shot rotation guys. 

I'm not very expectant that any of the Tseng-Blackburn-Skulina-Underwood-Torres-Martinez-Zastrysny-Null-Williams-Johnson type guys are ever going to be rotation-worthy.  But if any of them ever are, it should be pretty manifest within the next two years or less.  Certainly won't take more than two. 

Even South Bend guys Clifton and Stinnett, pretty good chance that in the unlikely but hypothetical event that if either is ever going to be guys you want in the rotation, that two more years should be enough time to demonstrate that worth. 

Obviously for the short-season guys (Cease, DelaCruz, Alzolay, Hudson), their time-line doesn't match with Lackey/Hammel replacement.   

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1168 on: March 18, 2016, 10:12:55 am »
Craig, with the devastation that the Cubs will wreak on baseball this year, pitchers will be coming to the Cubs for free!

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1169 on: March 18, 2016, 01:29:22 pm »
I had forgotten about Hammel's option. I'm not sure two years for both him and Lackey would make much of a difference though. I don't see the Cubs taking chances on unproven rookies with less than supreme (Prior/Strasburg/Harvey) talent while having this kind of roster already built. Perhaps one if they can get a Carrasco or Ross and he blossoms. Even then I think it's questionable.