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CUBluejays

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1215 on: April 07, 2016, 09:03:44 pm »
Not sure how it effected the game but it has been extremely windy in Des Moines/Omaha since the weekend.
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« Reply #1216 on: April 07, 2016, 09:39:47 pm »
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« Reply #1217 on: April 08, 2016, 01:24:30 am »
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« Reply #1218 on: April 08, 2016, 06:07:21 am »
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« Reply #1219 on: April 08, 2016, 09:50:02 am »
Thanks for the Eloy and Eddy articles. 

Early on when Martinez was getting over-hyped as a superstar prospect, part of that was the Andruw Jones comp, whose CF gift was his most standout quality.  So interesting that Martinez is playing right and Dewees center.  I know Eddy has the best RF arm, and neither Eloy nor Dewees profiles as a RFer, so for South Bend Nowacrat purposes Eddy in right makes sense. 

But, I'd think if the Cubs really saw Eddy as having plus Jones-esque CF defense, Almora-with-speed, I don't think they'd be putting him in right to accommodate Dewees.  As reb notes, lesser guys move around to accommodate the greater ones.  So I deduce that while Eddy may have some CF ability, I don't think CF-defense is going to be exceptional or a major plus quality. 

I wonder if he might be something of a Heyward-type.  Very good RF who could play some good CF, but doesn't really profile as a top CF.  Some power, but not really a HR-slugger. 
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CUBluejays

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1220 on: April 08, 2016, 10:17:49 am »
Dewees, Ejoy and Eddy are all decent prospects so I'm not sure it says anything about Eddy's CF defense.

Dewees likely only has a lot of value in CF, as a LF he may not have the power so I think it makes sense to try him there and see if the arm can play or not.  If Martinez has the physical tools for CF playing RF shouldn't hamper it too much.  Almora and Hannerham would switch between CF/LF at AA last year.
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craig

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1221 on: April 08, 2016, 12:41:40 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on April 08, 2016, 10:17:49 am
Dewees, Ejoy and Eddy are all decent prospects so I'm not sure it says anything about Eddy's CF defense.   Dewees likely only has a lot of value in CF, as a LF he may not have the power so I think it makes sense to try him there and see if the arm can play or not.  If Martinez has the physical tools for CF playing RF shouldn't hamper it too much.  Almora and Hannerham would switch between CF/LF at AA last year.

Not sure Almora gets the prospect-value he's got if he's going to be a right fielder.  Dewees doesn't have the arm to be a high-end CFer, and from some of what I've heard it's actually surprising that his jumps and routes are decently/reasonably CFer-ish, as opposed to bad-for-a-CF.  Maybe someday he can hit enough to become a Fowler, but my understanding is that nobody projects Dewees to ever be above 50th percentile defensively in center. 

I guess I'm just kind of reacting to some of the Eddy stuff that was perhaps inflated:  Law saying he could be a 5-tool CFer who could be 1.1 in the draft; others comping his game and toolset to Andruw Jones.  I'm just saying that if the Cubs seem him as Andruw Jones, or 1.1, or Ken griffey-esque, or any of that stuff, teams wouldn't be playing him in RF to accommodate Donnie Dewees, a nice 2nd rounder in A- who'll turn 23 this September.  Eddy's a nice prospect and has a chance to become a useful player; but he's probably not a either a gold-glove CFer or a superstar prospect. 


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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1222 on: April 08, 2016, 12:52:29 pm »
I think the Cubs like Dewees bat a lot for a CF.  If he can put up above league average offense and play an average CF he would be pretty still a pretty decent.  The bat isn't that great in the corners.

The Almora/Hanneham was an example of the better prospect moving for a lesser prospect.  I would imagine that Martinez will get some time in CF as well.  The chances that Martinez is super good is low, but that goes for most any prospect, even the guys that get picked 1.1.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1223 on: April 08, 2016, 01:32:49 pm »
Yeah, I'm with Craig here.  Almora's prospect value is modest to begin with, but move him out of CF and it's borderline minimal.
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CUBluejays

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1224 on: April 08, 2016, 01:35:48 pm »
People undervalue Almora.
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« Reply #1225 on: April 08, 2016, 01:52:29 pm »
Yes, yes they do.
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craig

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« Reply #1226 on: April 08, 2016, 02:07:11 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on April 08, 2016, 12:52:29 pm
....The Almora/Hanneham was an example of the better prospect moving for a lesser prospect.  I would imagine that Martinez will get some time in CF as well.  The chances that Martinez is super good is low, but that goes for most any prospect, even the guys that get picked 1.1.

Heh, based on one game in South Bend, it's premature to say what the long-term usage will be.  Maybe Eddy will play the next 60 games in center, beats me.  But, my premise is that they are projecting to use Dewees as primary CFer, and Eddy as primary RF on that team. 

I don't think the Almora/Hanneman example is highly relevant.  They didn't really move Almora off of CF, unless I'm misremembering.  Both played some center, both played some corner, and this was in the upper minors after years of practice playing center for Almora.  To me, that seemed to be standard for upper-level guys:  have them share positions so that they are positions flexible, particular in the case of Almora/Hanneman whose big-league usage if/when they reach the Cubs may be as 4th outfielder, where they need to be multi-positional.  They new Almora was completely capable in center; but his chance to serve the big-league team would benefit by getting some action in the corners.  But it's seemed like they haven't started multi-positioning guys until the high minors and until they were pretty close to reaching the majors, for the Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, Soler type guys of the organization.  They haven't seemed to prioritize that during the first week in pro ball, as is the case with Eddy.   So, I don't think the Almora/Hanneman CF/corner rotation is really precedent in the hypothetical that Eddy plays almost all right and Dewees almost all center while they share South Bend. 
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1227 on: April 08, 2016, 02:15:59 pm »
Almora needs to work on his hitting.  I'm fine with leaving him exclusively in CF for now.
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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1228 on: April 08, 2016, 02:21:17 pm »
I don't think playing RF in one game means anything concerning EJM's future defensive position. DeWeese in older and didn't lose any time escaping from Cuba, establishing residency elsewhere and obtaining a U.S. visa. Looking at DeWeese in CF first makes sense to me.
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CUBluejays

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Re: On The Farm
« Reply #1229 on: April 08, 2016, 02:25:08 pm »
Maybe I'm over value Dewees, but to me Martinez/Dewees/Jimenez are all pretty close in prospect value.

That said, I have no clue how good Martinez could or will be.  I think we'll have a better idea after this year.  I wouldn't say he can't play CF if he doesn't this year, just because Dewees will have much more value if he can fake it in center.
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