Not sure what you people are arguing. Every single statistical indicator so far, not to mention the eye test, has shown the Bulls have majors issues. The team basically didn't show up to play against Charlotte. Both Rose and Noah had been two of the worst players in the league. And the new Hoibergian offense has been more static and less productive than Thibodeau's. They'll win some games because they have some individual talent and because the East is filled with bad teams, but they are a long way from the contender they were 4-5 years ago.