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Jack Birdbath

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« Reply #4860 on: October 23, 2020, 08:41:22 am »
I’m no secret agent but I would imagine that the best way to make a scheme like this work is to mix whatever disinformation you are trying to plant in with authentic things - pictures, emails, etc.  So, I bet some of the stuff on that laptop are real. But, I really doubt that it was a coincidence that, at the exact same time Rudy is fishing around in Ukraine for dirt on the Biden’s that this laptop suddenly appears. It was known that the Russians were looking for a way to meddle, Rudy was publicly asking for information, and, in the aftermath, he’s made it clear that he doesn’t even know or care if this stuff is real, he just wants it out (see his comments re NY Post vs other media outlets and their fact checking and “it’s 50/50 if I worked with a Russian spy”).  This whole thing is so dumb. Thankfully it seems like only the already converted true believers are falling for this nonsense.

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« Reply #4861 on: October 23, 2020, 10:10:06 am »
Funny how the media and Dems believed every"report" about Trump colluding with Russia, laughed at him for saying he was spied on and impeached him for asking Ukraine about Hunter's shady deals. An army of Trump hating prosecuters couldn't find anything.  The FBI now admits they spied on him and Hunter did receive 83k monthly to sit on a board of a gas company in Ukraine although he admitted knowing nothing about the industry.  He even admitted he only got the job because of his father's influence and name.  But these facts are all Russia, right?

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« Reply #4862 on: October 23, 2020, 11:34:29 am »
So would you be ok with Republicans doing this and then Democrats being unable to vote things through?  Because this is what that quote was in response to.   If the Democrats take the Senate I fully expect them to get rid of the filibuster and so something like this would be an issue.

This is a pointless discussion. You keep acting like this extraordinary response by the Dems of boycotting the Judiciary Committee vote on sending the Barrett nomination to the Senate floor after such an extraordinary chain of events starting with Garland, and ending with a hyper-sped up confirmation process with Barrett is suggestive of some sort of a pattern by the Dems. It's not, and I'm guessing you realize that. I am not into prolonged virtual debates like you and Reb, so I'm stopping now.  You can have the last word - I only hope you will not set up and attack a strawman in doing so.
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« Reply #4863 on: October 23, 2020, 12:19:08 pm »
Vitriol is what you're all about Tico.

Nope. More than any other regularly engaged member in this thread, I believe I’ve consistently gone out of my way to attempt serious, thoughtful, amicable discourse with you, regularly going so far as to defend you and call others out when they use blatantly offensive and derogatory language towards you and your religious beliefs.

I’ve simply stopped tone policing myself when it comes to the anger I feel about a racist, narcissistic, wanna-be despot that is destroying all normalcy in gov’t while cheering on the worst of his radicalized, racist, violent supporters.

Do not mistake my anger for vitriol.

Further, you have not proven capable of rational discourse. You ignore rebuttals from sources you have previously agreed as neutral and fair and continue to peddle inane conspiracy theories, while also claiming to be a fair-minded person about these things.

You are happy to support a vile racist who sees no problems throwing kids in cages, courting dictators, cheating elections, lying without remorse, putting his ego over American lives as it relates to COVID, is plainly corrupt, a serial sexual abuser, etc.

I will continue to speak to you with respect. But respect demands neither being “nice” nor dignifying absolute horseshit arguments. The literal hours I’ve spent attempting otherwise with you in conversation have all been wasted.
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« Reply #4864 on: October 23, 2020, 01:52:02 pm »
I’ve been laughing all morning at this...poor dumb liberals thought he meant actual coyotes...lmao...


https://twitter.com/sophnar0747/status/1319524700721192967?s=21

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« Reply #4869 on: October 23, 2020, 01:56:38 pm »
I can’t imagine what they think drug mules really are...

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« Reply #4870 on: October 23, 2020, 03:10:26 pm »
This is a pointless discussion. You keep acting like this extraordinary response by the Dems of boycotting the Judiciary Committee vote on sending the Barrett nomination to the Senate floor after such an extraordinary chain of events starting with Garland, and ending with a hyper-sped up confirmation process with Barrett is suggestive of some sort of a pattern by the Dems. It's not, and I'm guessing you realize that. I am not into prolonged virtual debates like you and Reb, so I'm stopping now.  You can have the last word - I only hope you will not set up and attack a strawman in doing so.

The question was directed at Jack, because he was implying the Republicans where doing something dastardly by voting on it.  It was nothing more than a question for Jack.

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« Reply #4871 on: October 23, 2020, 03:18:53 pm »
Say the Hunter Biden stuff is true, how is it any different than Ivanka getting patents pushed through in China, or Trump selling memberships at Mar-A-Lago or lobbyists booking events at his hotels?

I will say that there should be more regulations on families of politicians making money off of selling access.  It Hunter Biden was Hunter Smith he isn't making this kind of money and he is far from the only family member of politician making money like this.

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« Reply #4872 on: October 23, 2020, 06:40:49 pm »

Alana Abramson
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Returned ballots in PA so far, per PA SOS Kathy Boockvar:
•Dem = 1,023,402
•Rep = 293,318
•Other = 132,680

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« Reply #4873 on: October 23, 2020, 08:20:36 pm »
If those numbers are true then PA is looking good for Biden. MI and MN are still looking great for Trump. AZ is actually ahead of 2016. NV is closer too, almost even according to a state Democrat campaign chair.  Trump can lose PA and still win comfortably. 
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« Reply #4874 on: October 23, 2020, 08:31:26 pm »
Nope. More than any other regularly engaged member in this thread, I believe I’ve consistently gone out of my way to attempt serious, thoughtful, amicable discourse with you, regularly going so far as to defend you and call others out when they use blatantly offensive and derogatory language towards you and your religious beliefs.

I’ve simply stopped tone policing myself when it comes to the anger I feel about a racist, narcissistic, wanna-be despot that is destroying all normalcy in gov’t while cheering on the worst of his radicalized, racist, violent supporters.

Do not mistake my anger for vitriol.

Further, you have not proven capable of rational discourse. You ignore rebuttals from sources you have previously agreed as neutral and fair and continue to peddle inane conspiracy theories, while also claiming to be a fair-minded person about these things.

You are happy to support a vile racist who sees no problems throwing kids in cages, courting dictators, cheating elections, lying without remorse, putting his ego over American lives as it relates to COVID, is plainly corrupt, a serial sexual abuser, etc.

I will continue to speak to you with respect. But respect demands neither being “nice” nor dignifying absolute horseshit arguments. The literal hours I’ve spent attempting otherwise with you in conversation have all been wasted.
Not trying to pick a fight Tico. But I vote for policy,  not personality. Energy independence,  conservative justices, lower taxes, less regulation, cracking down on illegal immigration,  supporting police.

The racist argument is tired and not supported by his policies. Criminal justice reform, opportunity zones, funding black colleges, lowest black unemployment ever. He didn't say if you don't  vote for me,  you ain't black.  He didn't author a crime bill disproportionately putting black men in jail for simple drug use.  He didn't call black men super predators on his floor speech on the floor of the senate, he didn't say he didn't want his children living in racial jungle,  he didn't refer to Obama as finally showing a clean, articulate black man, he didn't eulogize a grandmaster kkk member and call him his mentor, that was your boy. 
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