Author Topic: Today’s Game 2023  (Read 33558 times)

CurtOne

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27179
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #1995 on: October 01, 2023, 09:28:38 pm »
Smyly, third member of the albatross Triumvirate of Hendricks, Strohman, Smyly. 

Deeg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16905
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #1996 on: October 01, 2023, 11:05:08 pm »
Smyly, third member of the albatross Triumvirate of Hendricks, Strohman, Smyly. 

Or, as they’re otherwise known, 3/5 of your opening day starting rotation.

davep

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15839
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #1997 on: October 02, 2023, 03:54:09 pm »
Steele, Stroman, Wicks and Taillon are likely to be in the rotation when the season starts next year.  Unless he pitches lights out in the spring, Smily is likely to be in the pen.  It is much more likely that the fifth starter will be either Asaad or Wesneski, unless they sign a free agent.

Steele was one of the best pitchers in baseball for just about the entire season.

Stroman was one of the better pitchers in baseball for the first half, and then did poorly when he was injured.  Do you have information that he is not likely to be recovered by the beginning of next season?

Taillon has been a very good pitcher for a number of years.  He did very poorly in the beginning of the year, but came back quite strongly in the second half of the season.  You can assume that he will be bad again next year, but it would be helpful if you gave us the basis of your assumption.

Wicks performed well in the short time he was up.  To early to call, but he had a good track record when he was drafted, and continued that track record in the minors, substantiated by decent scouting reports.

What kind of production will we get from the fifth starter?  If Asaad and Wesneski fail, and if we get no early promotion for Horton, then we will probably get the kind of production that almost everyone gets from their fifth starter.  Mediocre.

And all that assumes that they will not bring in someone in free agency or trade.

Probably a little early to make assumptions like that.

Ron

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8428
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #1998 on: October 02, 2023, 04:59:29 pm »
It also assumes Hendricks will not be in the rotation.

Reb

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5079
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #1999 on: October 02, 2023, 05:05:37 pm »
Would think strong likelihood that Hendricks is in rotation.

Not sure why Dave didn’t mention Hendricks. Would be curious to hear Dave’s point of view on that.

Playtwo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8782
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2000 on: October 02, 2023, 06:19:20 pm »
Hendricks is a lock to be in the rotation. Probably with Steele, Stroman, Wicks, and Taillon to start the season if all are healthy.
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Deeg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16905
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2001 on: October 02, 2023, 06:52:10 pm »
Hendricks is a lock to be in the rotation. Probably with Steele, Stroman, Wicks, and Taillon to start the season if all are healthy.

I still think it’s a mistake to commit almost $40 million in salary to Hendricks and Stroman.  And the rotation described above (which doesn’t even factor in what we do with Smyly) is entirely made up of relatively soft-tossing strike throwers.  That seems like a bad idea.

davep

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15839
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2002 on: October 03, 2023, 07:39:16 pm »
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Cubs did not rexercise his option, but if they do, he is likely to be in the rotation.

Reb

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5079
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2003 on: October 03, 2023, 08:01:09 pm »
BN (I think) speculated that Cubs add a year for Hendricks and bring down the AAV by declining the 2024 option and instead do a 2-year deal (including 2025) for lower 2024 money. Could see that.

craig

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13075
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2004 on: October 03, 2023, 08:35:54 pm »
I still think it’s a mistake to commit almost $40 million in salary to Hendricks and Stroman.  And the rotation described above (which doesn’t even factor in what we do with Smyly) is entirely made up of relatively soft-tossing strike throwers.  That seems like a bad idea.

As I've expressed before, I agree with your view, deeg.  Still, the Cubs decision is Hendricks, not Stroman.  Stroman has a guaranteed deal, Hoyer and Hawkins don't have his $21 cash or $23.7 lux to control.  Whether they like or dislike the idea of having him at that price doesn't matter, it's his call. 

Cubs choice is whether Hendricks at $14.5/1 is good value, or bad?  I'm guessing 3.7 ERA and 120+ ERA+ doesn't look bad for $14.5, *IF* you thought he could sustain that level. 

CurtOne

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27179
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2005 on: October 03, 2023, 08:54:12 pm »
Do Smyly and Stroman have no trade contracts?  I know Stroman has an option, but could he be traded?  If either was DFA'ed would the Cubs be on the hook for their whole salary if someone picked them up?

Deeg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16905
Re: Today’s Game 2023
« Reply #2006 on: October 03, 2023, 09:54:46 pm »
Do Smyly and Stroman have no trade contracts?  I know Stroman has an option, but could he be traded?  If either was DFA'ed would the Cubs be on the hook for their whole salary if someone picked them up?

They’re not gonna DFA Stroman and nobody would pick up Smyly at his salary.