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« Reply #135 on: November 24, 2014, 08:46:07 pm »
If you act crazy and then act like youre gonna pull a gun on a cop youre gonna get killed regardless of color.

Period end of story.

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« Reply #136 on: November 24, 2014, 09:56:53 pm »
Corey is growing up.

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« Reply #137 on: December 20, 2014, 01:33:43 pm »
When I saw the first trailers for "The Interview" I thought it was in bad taste.  Too often we make bad taste a freedom of speech issue.  That said, we should drop a million dvd's of it on North Korea.

Actually, I think Sony hacked themselves so they wouldn't have to release it.

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« Reply #138 on: December 20, 2014, 01:37:55 pm »
It looked to be a mediocre movie with mediocre revenue.  BUT now...it will be a monster hit when it is finally released.

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« Reply #139 on: December 20, 2014, 01:49:01 pm »
When I saw the first trailers for "The Interview" I thought it was in bad taste.  Too often we make bad taste a freedom of speech issue.  That said, we should drop a million dvd's of it on North Korea.

Actually, I think Sony hacked themselves so they wouldn't have to release it.

Yes... because DVD players are ubiquitous in north korea...

They should release the movie at all movie theaters... will end up being the largest gross for a movie in a weekend... I think Americans would show up in force just on principle.

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« Reply #140 on: December 20, 2014, 01:53:23 pm »
Yes... because DVD players are ubiquitous in north korea...

They should release the movie at all movie theaters... will end up being the largest gross for a movie in a weekend... I think Americans would show up in force just on principle.
Okay, drop DVD players too.

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« Reply #141 on: December 20, 2014, 01:57:35 pm »
Releasing it currently in theaters doesn't seem to be an option for Sony.  Most theaters are refusing to show it.

The best thing they could do is release it on line for free.  That would punish North Korea, but might be extremely costly for Sony.  I have seen reports that if they do that, they will get no compensation from their insurance (assuming they have insurance for that sort of thing, which sounds reasonable).

Failing that, if they release it on DVD, they would probably still show a profit for it, or at least mitigate their losses.

By the way, Sony's only action right now is that they cancelled the December roll out at theaters.  They could still do any or all of the above.

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« Reply #142 on: December 20, 2014, 02:06:53 pm »
I think Sony will end up making money on the movie.  Kim Jong-un is temporary.

Someone told me that Geraldo was going to North Korea to interview Kim Jong-un. 

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« Reply #143 on: December 20, 2014, 02:17:50 pm »
Releasing it currently in theaters doesn't seem to be an option for Sony.  Most theaters are refusing to show it.

The best thing they could do is release it on line for free.  That would punish North Korea, but might be extremely costly for Sony.  I have seen reports that if they do that, they will get no compensation from their insurance (assuming they have insurance for that sort of thing, which sounds reasonable).

Failing that, if they release it on DVD, they would probably still show a profit for it, or at least mitigate their losses.

By the way, Sony's only action right now is that they cancelled the December roll out at theaters.  They could still do any or all of the above.
Other experts are saying that Sony is worried about what else got stolen and will be released if they proceed to distribute.

BTW: I thought several celebrities were right to point out that even if North Korea did the hacking, it was the American media that published the embarrassing private emails.  We're our own worst enemy.

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« Reply #144 on: December 20, 2014, 02:34:35 pm »
I thought several celebrities were right to point out that even if North Korea did the hacking, it was the American media that published the embarrassing private emails.  We're our own worst enemy.

Why should media outlets not have published the embarrassing private emails?  The news media is not the agent of Sony.  It has no duty of loyalty to Sony.  No fiduciary duty toward Sony, and even if you are of the opinion that all news outlets in this country have some patriotic duty toward the nation as a whole or toward the people in the nation, this mess did not hurt the country or the nation as a whole or the people in it.  It hurt Sony.  It certainly raises concerns about what the hackers might do next or might do or how they MIGHT hurt the nation as a whole or the people in it, but THIS mess did not do that, nor did the publishing of the embarrassing private emails.

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« Reply #145 on: December 21, 2014, 04:59:23 pm »
There is no legal or fiduciary in this situation, but there certainly was a moral duty.  The news networks were trafficking in stolen property, which they knew at the time was stolen.

This was not leaks about our government, which could be construed to be in the public interest to make known, but strictly private property that was none of the public's business.

But media failing in their ethical duties is hardly news, and is in itself none of the Government's business.  Doesn't change the fact that the media was acting in an unethical manner.

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« Reply #146 on: December 21, 2014, 05:39:14 pm »
There is no legal or fiduciary in this situation, but there certainly was a moral duty.  The news networks were trafficking in stolen property, which they knew at the time was stolen.

This was not leaks about our government, which could be construed to be in the public interest to make known, but strictly private property that was none of the public's business.

But media failing in their ethical duties is hardly news, and is in itself none of the Government's business.  Doesn't change the fact that the media was acting in an unethical manner.
Poor taste, poor judgement, poor logic, poor morals, whatever you call it, if they hadn't been published, North Korea loses.

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« Reply #147 on: December 21, 2014, 05:40:23 pm »
BTW, yesterday North Korea said we were trying to frame them.  Today they say even worse is coming.  LOL  "Did you see my client's face when he stole your purse?"

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« Reply #148 on: December 21, 2014, 08:23:16 pm »
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There is no legal or fiduciary in this situation, but there certainly was a moral duty.  The news networks were trafficking in stolen property, which they knew at the time was stolen.  This was not leaks about our government, which could be construed to be in the public interest to make known, but strictly private property that was none of the public's business.  But media failing in their ethical duties is hardly news, and is in itself none of the Government's business.  Doesn't change the fact that the media was acting in an unethical manner.
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Trafficking in stolen property?

Really?

If so, in the case of websites, TV stations or radio, to whom did they sell it?

Traffinking in stolen property is an incredible stretch.  They paid no one for it, and sold it to no one.  If THAT were to be considered "trafficking in stolen property," then any virtuall time the news media obtains any confidential information and discloses it, without the consent of all involved, they would be trafficking in stolen property.  That interpretation would pretty much eliminate news.

You consider the news media to have been acting in an unethical manner.  You would be very hard pressed to find anyone in news, anyone who actually addresses such issues on a regular basis and thinks about them, who would agree with you.

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« Reply #149 on: December 21, 2014, 08:45:40 pm »
I would be amazed if anyone in the news field agreed with me.  That says more about those in the news field than it does about my statement.

The media knew that the emails were stolen.  Yet they publicized them to get readership and listenership, which results in income to them.  That is certainly trafficking in stolen property.