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« Reply #270 on: January 27, 2016, 03:16:51 pm »
Vote Trump, he will take on China and ISIS, just see how well he resolves conflicts with a debate host....

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« Reply #271 on: January 27, 2016, 03:43:05 pm »
What's more beneficial for Trump?  Be a "normal" candidate, or make a big show out of a conflict with a TV host?

The latter, by far.  Which is why I hold out hope that he's actually just brilliant enough to realize that acting like a crazy person gives him the best chance to get elected and he's actually far more reasonable than he puts on.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't vote for Trump in a million years on the chance that I'm wrong and he really isn't acting.

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« Reply #272 on: January 27, 2016, 03:47:03 pm »
The Trump supporters scare me more than Trump does.  Although the media usually portrays them as white and xenophobic, there are many races represented in his ranks.  His high rating does not come from Republicans.  Some, yes, but he has Democrats, Tea Party, and Independents who are disillusioned with career politicians and the status quo.  Just like the Germans who elected Hitler.

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« Reply #273 on: January 27, 2016, 05:55:32 pm »
Trump sticks his thumb in the eyes of all politicians, and since he stands for absolutely nothing politically, he is able to appeal to the ignorant voters on both sides of the political spectrum who feel that the "man" has held him back.  The victim mentality of both political parties can coalesce around him and convince themselves that he will "set things straight", regardless of what that means to them individually.

The same situation applied to Jesse Ventura who made it to the Governorship of Minnesota, one of the most liberal states in the country.  The idiots from both sides believed that his bluff and bluster would be used for the things they felt the "Government" was withholding from them.

He did absolutely nothing, which is the best we could hope for with Trump.

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« Reply #274 on: January 27, 2016, 07:19:12 pm »
Trump is so popular because he a reality star and this is a reality tv populace.  The real Trump isn't even the guy he depicts on his reality show.  On the show he plays a character.  Essentially he is running as that character and the morons in this country are dumb enough to eat it up.   Obama was smart enough to appeal to that.  We don't care about qualifications any longer, we want celebrities.  Why?  Because with reality tv everyone can be a celebrity. 

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« Reply #275 on: January 27, 2016, 07:55:30 pm »
I'd vote for Bernie before any of Trump, Cruz, or Clinton.

Of course.  Bernie is a socialist.  He would be attractive to you.

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« Reply #276 on: January 27, 2016, 08:02:54 pm »
You folks seem to miss the fact that Trump has not yet broken a simple majority of support from Republicans.  Most prospective voters not only do not support him, most prospective voters view him very, very negatively.  Republicans do not make up a majority in this country, not even close to it, and Trump has not yet won even t he reluctant support of half of what is considerably less than 40% of the public.

His actual support is likely about 20% of the electorate as a whole.  In the primaries, that can result in a very strong victory.  In a general election, not so much,

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« Reply #277 on: January 27, 2016, 08:06:22 pm »
Hilary's gonna be the president whether we like it or not.

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« Reply #278 on: January 27, 2016, 08:07:20 pm »
The same can be said about every candidate on both sides.  No one has enough support to win a general election.

But there are enough Republicans that will vote for whoever is nominated by the Republicans, and enough Democrats that will vote for whoever is nominated by the Democrats, that each nominee, whoever it is, will get about 40% of the vote.  The winner will go to whoever can sway the most ignorant voters.

Trump against Bernie would probably be a close call.

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« Reply #279 on: January 27, 2016, 08:07:51 pm »
Hillary will be a convicted felon before she is president.

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« Reply #280 on: January 27, 2016, 08:12:08 pm »
I think the Obama Administration will be able to delay things until after the election, if they choose to do so.  But I think that Biden would become the democratic nominee if it comes anywhere close to that.

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« Reply #281 on: January 27, 2016, 08:47:47 pm »
I think the Obama Administration will be able to delay things until after the election, if they choose to do so.  But I think that Biden would become the democratic nominee if it comes anywhere close to that.

What do you suppose the longterm consequences would be of the Democrats nominating Biden if Biden does no make a song appearance in the primaries and Sanders gets a clear majority of primary votes?

It would turn off the very group of young voters the Democrats want to count on for several elections to come.  They would not only stay home in 2016, they would turn their backs on the Democratic party.

The Democrats can survive a bad thumping in a single general election, just as the Republicans did in 1964, and the Dems did in 1972 and 1980.  Surviving the rejection of the primary winner who turned on young voters would be much more difficult.  I doubt that convention voters would be so short-sighted.  If Sanders gets a majority in the primaries, and no skeletons fall out of his closet between the last primary and the convention, I think he will be the nominee.

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« Reply #282 on: January 27, 2016, 09:18:29 pm »
And Obama is toast.

Sanders would have to have about 80 % of the primary votes in order to get more than 50 % of the actual votes in the convention.  Almost 40 % of the delegates are appointed "at large" and although they usually vote along with their state delegations, they are not bound to do so.

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« Reply #283 on: January 27, 2016, 09:39:17 pm »
And Obama is toast.

Sanders would have to have about 80 % of the primary votes in order to get more than 50 % of the actual votes in the convention.  Almost 40 % of the delegates are appointed "at large" and although they usually vote along with their state delegations, they are not bound to do so.

Obama is toast.  The guy has less than a year left.  He's done for.

And I saw it before any of you.

If Sanders gets more than 50% of the primary vote, the convention will not deny him the nomination in the absence of something falling loudly from a closet.

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« Reply #284 on: January 27, 2016, 09:45:10 pm »
There is almost no way that the Democrats would nominate Sanders.