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CUBluejays

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« Reply #345 on: February 23, 2016, 08:34:37 pm »
Rubio is fairly close to Cruz on how far right he is, he just isn't a jerk. I could vote for Rubio or Kasich. Anyone else and I'm finding out if I can write in none of the above or voting for the wackiest third party candidate I can find. I'd prefer Hillary or Cruz or Trump which really scares me.

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« Reply #346 on: February 23, 2016, 08:45:44 pm »
The Heritage Foundation rates Rubio as the 4th most conservative senator, behind only Cruz, Mike Lee, and Richard Shelby.  And the Heritage Foundation doesn't like anyone who's not far right.  He's clearly far right, and nowhere close to being part of the same "establishment" of guys like Bush and Kasich. 

http://heritageactionscorecard.com/


What specific positions of Rubio's do you consider "far right"?  You shouldn't have any problem listing five or six,

JR

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« Reply #347 on: February 23, 2016, 08:48:24 pm »
The Heritage Foundation rates Rubio as the 4th most conservative senator, behind only Cruz, Mike Lee, and Richard Shelby.  And the Heritage Foundation doesn't like anyone who's not far right.  He's clearly far right, and nowhere close to being part of the same "establishment" of guys like Bush and Kasich. 

http://heritageactionscorecard.com/

I don't like that Rubio doesn't have exceptions for ****/incest in his abortion platform, and I'm concerned as inexperienced as he is that he'll get pushed into a war that we don't absolutely have to be fighting, since he's definitely the most hawkish of the Republicans still in the race.  I'll still be interested in how he answers the no exceptions abortion question in the general election because that will be brought up in a debate.  Hopefully he'll be able to provide a better answer to that than Richard Mourdock or Todd Akin did. 

Aside from that, he's the best Republican still running besides Kasich.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 08:58:15 pm by JR »

Jes Beard

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« Reply #348 on: February 23, 2016, 08:58:03 pm »
I don't like that Rubio doesn't have exceptions for ****/incest in his abortion platform, and I'm concerned as inexperienced as he is that he'll get pushed into a war that we don't absolutely have to be fighting.  He's definitely the most hawkish of the Republicans still in the race.  I'll still be interested in how he answers the no exceptions abortion question in the general election because that will be brought up in a debate.

Its actually a very simple question to answer.

The only justification for interfering with a woman's right to control her own body is that an abortion is not just controlling her body, but ending another human life which is entitled to the same protection from government as any other human life.

If the unborn child is in fact a human life, you do not kill that child just because of the circumstances of conception.

If you did, then a DNA test done on a five year old child showing that the child was the result of a **** instead of the mother's consensual sex with her husband would justify killing the child at age five.  And I am unaware of anyone who would support that.

If the unborn child is not a human life, the state has no basis to interfere with a woman's decision to abort.  If it is a human life, then the circumstances of conception do not matter.

The difficulty is not one of those opposed to abortion explaining their opposition.  The difficulty with with folks who are squishy on the issue never having really decided whether believe the unborn child is human, or, when the child becomes human after conception.

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« Reply #349 on: February 23, 2016, 08:58:54 pm »
Bold prediction:  The Republican Party will NEVER AGAIN win a Presidential election as long as the United States of America exists.

I'll be happy to take the over on that bet.

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« Reply #350 on: February 23, 2016, 09:11:03 pm »
Aside from that, he's the best Republican still running besides Kasich.

Well, as much as I'm not a fan of Rubio, I'll agree with that.  But that's not saying much when the "besides Kasich" crew is Trump, Cruz, and Carson.

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« Reply #351 on: February 23, 2016, 09:14:14 pm »
The Heritage Foundation rates Rubio as the 4th most conservative senator, behind only Cruz, Mike Lee, and Richard Shelby.  And the Heritage Foundation doesn't like anyone who's not far right.  He's clearly far right, and nowhere close to being part of the same "establishment" of guys like Bush and Kasich. 

http://heritageactionscorecard.com/

I agree that he is much farther to the right than either Bush or Kasich.

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« Reply #352 on: February 23, 2016, 10:11:40 pm »
Well, as much as I'm not a fan of Rubio, I'll agree with that.  But that's not saying much when the "besides Kasich" crew is Trump, Cruz, and Carson.

Yeah that is damning with faint praise there . . .

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« Reply #353 on: February 23, 2016, 10:28:51 pm »
I no longer care about "right" or "left".  I'm looking for "sane".

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« Reply #354 on: February 23, 2016, 10:44:51 pm »
And you thought you'd find it here?

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« Reply #355 on: February 23, 2016, 11:15:51 pm »
Im not a Trump supporter. I voted for Rubio. As a matter of fact I think it's a bad reflection on the state of our country that Trump is even seriously being considered and it makes me want to claw my eyes out to even hear the Trump supporters talk but as a God fearing Christian man I dont feel like I can vote democrat with a clear conscience so if Trump wins the ticket he'll get my vote.

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« Reply #356 on: February 23, 2016, 11:21:22 pm »
And the Trump insanity continues in Nevada.

The amazing thing reading through all these exit/entrance polls is that Trump is consistently 30-40% no matter what the demographic is.  It doesn't seem to matter if you're a high school graduate or have a post graduate degree.  It doesn't matter if you make $30,000 or $300,000.  It doesn't matter if you're evangelical or secular.  It doesn't matter if you're "very" conservative or moderate.  He's consistently getting that share of the vote with everyone. 

He just cannot be stopped.
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« Reply #358 on: February 24, 2016, 12:04:34 am »
So pitch framing is irrelevant now because umpires realize what's happening.

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« Reply #359 on: February 24, 2016, 12:16:27 am »
Im not a Trump supporter. I voted for Rubio. As a matter of fact I think it's a bad reflection on the state of our country that Trump is even seriously being considered and it makes me want to claw my eyes out to even hear the Trump supporters talk but as a God fearing Christian man I dont feel like I can vote democrat with a clear conscience so if Trump wins the ticket he'll get my vote.

"Voted" is a past tense verb.

You live in Tennessee.

Tennessee has not yet had their primaries< meaning the only way you could have voted was to have fraudulently registered in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, or this evening in Nevada, and then driven their to illegally vote.... or you could have voted in your dreams.