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Jes Beard

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« Reply #390 on: February 24, 2016, 04:55:04 pm »
That's like the old Jesse Jackson-Jesse Helms ticket.  Let's offend Everybody.

Rubio is too far right to win,

On what issues?  And I hope you can mention more than one.

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« Reply #391 on: February 24, 2016, 04:56:48 pm »
"Republicans resist issues of gun control because it's a slippery slope to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment..."

I think Republican (or moderate Democrat) resistance to gun control has little to do with the proverbial slippery slope.  Much more to do with getting on the NRA's hit list.
The NRA is toast.

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« Reply #392 on: February 24, 2016, 04:57:21 pm »
Consider Rubio's abortion position to be the similar to the pro-choice position.  He is personally opposed to exceptions, but as a matter of law he isn't going to do anything to to enact it because that isn't supported by many Americans.  It would be where I am as well.

Just to give me a glimmer of hope if the election was thrown to House, is there anything in the constitution that says they have to pick from  Trump or Clinton?  Could they choose somebody that didn't run?  If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination Bloomberg won't get in.

The House would have to choose between the three top vote getters in the electoral college. 

What I neglected to say is that it would be one vote per state in the house.

Bennett nails it.  And this means that since the Republicans have a stranglehold on the delegations of more than 30 states, if it ends up in the House, the Republicans will decide the winner.... though they would NOT have to pick the candidate who ran as a Republican.

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« Reply #393 on: February 24, 2016, 05:16:10 pm »
I think the problem with Rubio's position is that more and more Republicans are against exceptions for **** and incest.  Paul Ryan is against exceptions.  Ted Cruz is against them.  Rand Paul is against them. 

The activists are pushing Republicans too far to the right on the issue, and if enough of them are taking that position and have expressed opposition against exceptions when running for office, it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility that they would feel compelled to pass a bill with no exceptions that a President Rubio would feel compelled to sign. 

That of course being if the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs. Wade or if a Republican controlled congress and a Republican president wanted to pass a strong piece of legislation that would allow them to challenge Roe vs. Wade.

Most of the staunchest abortion opponents would also oppose an abortion ban at the federal level.  It simply is not an issue for the federal government to decide.  If a state wanted to legalize murder, not just of the unborn, but of anyone, it would have the power to do so.  There is nothing in the Constitution which would give the Federal government power to regulate the issue.

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« Reply #394 on: February 24, 2016, 05:17:18 pm »
I think the problem with Rubio's position is that more and more Republicans are against exceptions for **** and incest.  Paul Ryan is against exceptions.  Ted Cruz is against them.  Rand Paul is against them.

So the problem with Rubio's position is not actually his position, but the position other Republicans have taken?

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« Reply #395 on: February 24, 2016, 05:21:51 pm »
By giving up opposing "**** and incest" can end abortion on demand, Republicans will do it.   It's an attempt to get wiggle room in the negotiations.

No.  It isn't.  I know some folks wouldn't understand a principled position if it hit them in the face, but most abortion opponents oppose it because they consider abortion murder, and if so they oppose **** or incest exceptions, not because they want "wiggle room in the negotiations," but because they consider it murder.

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« Reply #396 on: February 24, 2016, 06:54:44 pm »
So the fact that something is done makes it either right, or at least acceptable?

I assume then that you support legalizing ****.  That also happens with great frequency.

Ahh, yes, the infallible logic of the mighty jesbeard. You win, jes. I am obviously pro ****.

Every once in a while, I peek beneath the ignored post banner, and every time, I am swiftly reminded why it is I blocked you in the first place.

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« Reply #397 on: February 24, 2016, 07:13:38 pm »
WHAT!!!???  You can block people? Geeze Louise, ten years worth of insults down the drain....

Jes Beard

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« Reply #398 on: February 24, 2016, 08:19:09 pm »
Ahh, yes, the infallible logic of the mighty jesbeard. You win, jes. I am obviously pro ****.

Every once in a while, I peek beneath the ignored post banner, and every time, I am swiftly reminded why it is I blocked you in the first place.

If you do not, then you need to acknowledge that the excuse you offered as a justification for redistributing wealth is more than lame.

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« Reply #399 on: February 24, 2016, 10:33:47 pm »
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« Reply #400 on: February 26, 2016, 07:39:51 pm »
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dilemma-of-conservatives-who-say-theyll-never-vote-for-donald-trump?mbid=gnep&intcid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

It’s like Wolfgang Pauli’s famous crack, “That is not only not right, it is not even wrong.” He doesn’t even have a bad character. People with bad characters can have strengths. As far as I can tell he has no character. He’s a bully with subordinates. He does business in ways that good businesspeople despise—and he’s not even very good at that. He says things about people, especially his wives, that are so obnoxious that calling them obnoxious doesn’t come close to how awful they are. He constantly lies about things that can be checked. He brags incessantly—really unattractive in itself—but he doesn’t even brag about things that he could appropriately be proud of. The guy is pathetic.

The oddest thing about his popularity with white middle-class and working-class males is that if he lived next door to them, they would despise him.
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« Reply #401 on: February 26, 2016, 07:59:08 pm »
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dilemma-of-conservatives-who-say-theyll-never-vote-for-donald-trump?mbid=gnep&intcid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

It’s like Wolfgang Pauli’s famous crack, “That is not only not right, it is not even wrong.” He doesn’t even have a bad character. People with bad characters can have strengths. As far as I can tell he has no character. He’s a bully with subordinates. He does business in ways that good businesspeople despise—and he’s not even very good at that. He says things about people, especially his wives, that are so obnoxious that calling them obnoxious doesn’t come close to how awful they are. He constantly lies about things that can be checked. He brags incessantly—really unattractive in itself—but he doesn’t even brag about things that he could appropriately be proud of. The guy is pathetic.

The oddest thing about his popularity with white middle-class and working-class males is that if he lived next door to them, they would despise him.

He has two appeals.  He appeals to the true xenophobic bigots, and to the sort of true authoritarians who would love to have a Benito Mussolini as president.

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« Reply #402 on: February 26, 2016, 11:10:40 pm »
Trump is a jackass, and much worse.  But his appeal is not only to xenophobics and fascists, which is a small part of his following.  Most of his followers are those who are sick and tired of being manipulated into being represented by people that are not willing or able to carry through on their campaign promises, and foolishly believe that just because Trump is a bully, he will be THEIR bully, totally forgetting that most of what he promises, he can NOT produce, and and what he WILL produce will be just the opposite of what they want.

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« Reply #403 on: February 26, 2016, 11:32:28 pm »
Trump is a jackass, and much worse.  But his appeal is not only to xenophobics and fascists, which is a small part of his following.  Most of his followers are those who are sick and tired of being manipulated into being represented by people that are not willing or able to carry through on their campaign promises, and foolishly believe that just because Trump is a bully, he will be THEIR bully, totally forgetting that most of what he promises, he can NOT produce, and and what he WILL produce will be just the opposite of what they want.
So how much are you giving his campaign?

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« Reply #404 on: February 26, 2016, 11:51:29 pm »
Democracy is a delicate enterprise.