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JR

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« Reply #690 on: October 26, 2016, 10:31:52 pm »
Compared to Hillary, Trump is good.

Trump is good compared to the ebola virus at least . . .

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« Reply #691 on: October 26, 2016, 10:32:41 pm »
Hillary is a snake, no doubt.

But Trump is a flaming sack of **** left on your doorstep by drunken high schoolers.
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« Reply #692 on: October 26, 2016, 10:38:34 pm »
Trump is good compared to the ebola virus at least . . .

I sincerely challenge that.  I believe the ebol virus killed only one person in the U.S.  I believe both Hillary and Trump would kill many more than that.  Actually, it would appear that Hillary already has.
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« Reply #693 on: October 26, 2016, 10:53:34 pm »

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« Reply #694 on: October 26, 2016, 11:23:43 pm »
Absolutly.  But Hillary is so much worse than Trump that anyone that considers himself conservative on many issues is foolish to withhold his vote for Trump merely because he wants to make some statement that no one will ever hear.
Just curious, Dave, was the vote for Lincoln in 1860  a wasted vote?

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« Reply #695 on: October 27, 2016, 09:58:10 am »
If I thought both major party candidates were bad (but neither catastrophic), I would vote for a preferable third party or write-in candidate.  If I thought that both major party candidates were bad and one was catastrophic, I would vote for the merely bad candidate rather than a better third party or write-in candidate.

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« Reply #696 on: October 27, 2016, 12:13:24 pm »
Donald Trump is the worst thing to happen to American politics in my lifetime.  Maybe ever.
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« Reply #697 on: October 27, 2016, 12:22:31 pm »
Neither alternative is acceptable.  Neither will get my vote.  I weep for my country much like I did when Obama was elected and he has been everything I feared he would be.  The only thing stopping him from being worse is losing both houses of congress, although they didn't stop him nearly enough.  Hilary will have a lasting impact on the constitution with her pick of liberal supreme court justices.  Trump is unstable and would most likely ruin our standing in the world even worse than Obama has and could easily plunge us into world war 3 just through ego alone.  This is like receiving a death sentence and being asked which method you would prefer.  There is no choice, both end up with you dead.
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« Reply #698 on: October 27, 2016, 12:28:13 pm »
Donald Trump is the worst thing to happen to American politics in my lifetime.  Maybe ever.

I fear we are headed down a path which a lot of other governments have taken where fist fights are commonplace in the houses of legislature.  I just don't like the direction politics has take the last 20 years and in particular the last 2 years.

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« Reply #699 on: October 27, 2016, 12:59:56 pm »
Have to bottom out before we can start over

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« Reply #700 on: November 05, 2016, 02:00:39 pm »
Neither alternative is acceptable.  Neither will get my vote.  I weep for my country much like I did when Obama was elected and he has been everything I feared he would be.  The only thing stopping him from being worse is losing both houses of congress, although they didn't stop him nearly enough.  Hilary will have a lasting impact on the constitution with her pick of liberal supreme court justices.  Trump is unstable and would most likely ruin our standing in the world even worse than Obama has and could easily plunge us into world war 3 just through ego alone.  This is like receiving a death sentence and being asked which method you would prefer.  There is no choice, both end up with you dead.
LOL I would ask what irrational fears you had...but I don't need to waste my time reading them...

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« Reply #701 on: November 05, 2016, 02:04:45 pm »
Too bad he isn't a Democrat.  That would be considered a resume enhancement.

On the other hand, if you liked Bill Clinton, you gotta love Trump.
Is that because both were accused of harassment?...With YOUR logic, if you like the Iraq invasion you should love Hillary...but if you are voting for Trump, which it sounds like you are, then you think the Iraq invasion was wrong...I am glad you finally saw the light.

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« Reply #702 on: November 05, 2016, 04:01:18 pm »
When I was growing up, there were some claims that the news organizations were biased, but all the networks tried to give balanced reporting.  Newspapers had the rep of being either Democrat or Republican, but not the tv news.  That was in the 50's.  In the 60's, especially as Vietnam grew as an issue, television news became more and more accused of having a left bias, particularly since "experts" said journalism people tended to be idealistic and crusaders.  This increased until the late 80's and 90's until FOX was born in 1996.  "Fair and balanced."  Actually far to the right to balance the perceived left of all the others.  MSNBC came into being as the ultra-left news.  ABC, CBS, and NBC continue to try to pretend they're impartial, but still lean more left than right.  CNN, I think, has actually made the most strides at staying down the middle and exposing issues on both sides, but they're not perfect.

The reason I'm typing this is that journalists used to be our ombudsmen.  They would ferret out the truth when claims were made in our elections and our politics.  Politicians could rarely get away with outright lies or taking things out of context to make the opponent look bad.  They could do it, but they took the chance of being exposed to the general public.

Take the current situation in Missouri.  I don't live there, but I get all the political ads out of St. Louis.  For governor they have a Democrat, who up to a few years ago was a registered Republican and a Republican who was a delegate to the last Democratic convention that nominated Obama.  Yeah, screwed up.  The Democrat is accused of spending nearly 3 million dollars on decorating his Secretary of State office.  True, but deceptive.  The state told him to remodel the entire Sec of State building, and gave him a $3M budget to do it.  Not just his office.  ALL of the Sec of State offices.

 The Republican is accused of stealing $700K from a charity.  He came back from Iraq and started a veteran's organization to help vets find jobs.  His family put over $600,000 into the project.  In the third or fourth year of operation, he took a salary of $700,000 to pay himself for not having taken a salary of any kind the first few years and to repay the loan from his family.

These two issues highlight the mudslinging, and neither is really true, but nobody gives people the real truth.  (I had to dig for it.)  Where is the press to expose this nonsense?  It's why in all our politics today we have outright lies and distortions.  It's sexier to promote the crap instead of the truth.  It gets better ratings, and cheats all of us of what ideas and policies do the candidates really have.

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« Reply #703 on: November 05, 2016, 08:20:31 pm »
Is that because both were accused of harassment?...With YOUR logic, if you like the Iraq invasion you should love Hillary...but if you are voting for Trump, which it sounds like you are, then you think the Iraq invasion was wrong...I am glad you finally saw the light.

Obviously, irony doesn't come across well on a board like this.

I did not care about the fact that Clinton was a womanizer and sexual predator, because it had no effect on the policies he tried to implement.  I do not care about the fact that Trump is a womanizer and sexual predator, because it has no effect on the policies that he will try to implement.  But I DO have a problem with those who did not care about the fact that Clinton was a womanizer and sexual predator, but find it unacceptable in Trump.  In a word, they are hypocrites, and that was the point I was trying to make with the irony.

Both Hillary and Trump are disgusting human beings in my opinion.  That is unfortunate, but the system we have has forced us into a position that one of them, disgusting as he or she is. will be the next president.  Given that choice, I would much, much rather have Trump trying to implement the policies I expect from him than Hillary trying to implement the policies I expect from her.

I was not a supporter of Trump in any of the primaries.  I would much have preferred Rubio or Cruz.  I would even have preferred the horrible candidates of earlier years such as Romney or McCain.  But you have to play the hand you are dealt, or just go home.