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« Reply #795 on: November 09, 2016, 07:11:21 am »
RISE UP YE DEPLORABLES!!

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« Reply #796 on: November 09, 2016, 07:36:40 am »
MAKE AMERICA HATE AGAIN!

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« Reply #797 on: November 09, 2016, 07:43:06 am »
And honestly what has Hillary done that Trump hasn't done more of?  What in all honesty has she done that is criminal?  There is no proof that any of the money the foundation took in lead to any favors for other countries.  Yet Trump used his foundation money illegally!  There literally should be an investigation into his foundation practices.  And if you think that Hillary is a liar then you haven't been paying attention to fact checking this election.  Trump LITERALLY lies half the time he opens his mouth. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

I'm truly frightened for what the next 4 years will do to set our country back.  While I have always voted Democrat - I always respected the other candidate.  But not this time.  We shouldn't have to make excuses for our presidents behavior to our children.
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« Reply #798 on: November 09, 2016, 07:49:58 am »
Since having to be politically correct is now a thing of the past, we’ll probably start to hear “Merry Christmas” again instead of “Happy Holidays”.  That doesn’t bother me as much as what it will lead to.


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« Reply #799 on: November 09, 2016, 07:51:57 am »
Futures are down over 900 points right now.  If you have any money, buy heavily about an hour after the market opens tomorrow, assuming Trump wins.  This will be much like the Brexit vote.  Everything will drop immediately, and then gradually return to normal.
Brexit was mentioned several times during the election night coverage.   It didn’t take long at all before the Brits realized they had made a huge mistake.

Bennett

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« Reply #800 on: November 09, 2016, 07:52:49 am »
America’s toughest sheriff, 84-year old Joe Arpaio failed in his reelection bid in Maricopa County (Phoenix).  Voters decided that $130 million spent on defending him in lawsuits was enough.

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« Reply #801 on: November 09, 2016, 08:00:52 am »
Right now, Hillary is up in the popular vote, and Nate Silver tweeted early this morning that she was still likely to win that by 1-2%.

That's going to cause a really interesting dynamic if she really does stay ahead in the popular vote.
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« Reply #802 on: November 09, 2016, 08:06:21 am »
Just to be clear, I'm open to voting for anyone...but I haven't voted Republican (for President, at least) since 2000.  Libertarian the last three elections, Democrat today.  I'm embarrassed that I could be remotely connected to the current version of the Republican party in any way. 

Hopefully there is still some path for Clinton to win.  If not, I guess it makes sense that the high of a Cubs World Series win would be followed by something like this a week later.

Ha! My apologies to you br.

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« Reply #803 on: November 09, 2016, 08:11:28 am »
Fivethirtyeight still has Clinton at 73%.  I hope they're right. 

Nate Silver took a lot of criticism for not taking as strong a position on a Clinton win as other prognosticators.  But so far, his live odds haven't really changed from what he had based on polls, and the race is much more competitive than anyone else thought it would be.  Fivethirtyeight's status might improve even more after tonight.

I'm not sure any of the prognosticators are looking very good at all this morning, but at least Silver had Trump at 25% odds or so of winning.  That's a lot better than places that were giving him hell like the Huffington Post that embarrassingly only had Trump's odds at like 1%.

Actually Silver had been talking up a lot lately the possibility that Trump would win the electoral college but lose the popular vote, which looks like has a very good chance of happening at the moment.
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« Reply #804 on: November 09, 2016, 08:26:51 am »
To the list of things DUSTY does not understand, we can now comfortably add the meaning of the word "blasphemy."

He won't learn unless you define it for him.

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« Reply #805 on: November 09, 2016, 10:43:00 am »
Yeah, I follow Fivethirtyeight pretty closely, and it's clear that Silver and company were anxious about the models and were giving Trump a very real shot.  A polling error away from a Trump presidency.

I can't wait for the factory jobs to come rolling back in.
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« Reply #806 on: November 09, 2016, 10:56:24 am »
I can't wait for the reactions when he's not able to deliver on his top campaign promises like building a wall, deporting 12 million people, and blocking Muslims from entering the country. 

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« Reply #807 on: November 09, 2016, 11:01:20 am »
My guess is that the supporters were mostly venting anger and fear, and needed to have someone channel those feelings.  Trump did so with amazing skill.  I doubt there will be a lot of push back when most of his plans get nowhere (except erases of anything that constitutes Obama's legacy including ObamaCare and the nuclear deal with Iran).  Plus, Trump will always be able to blame opposition from Congress for failing to implement/fund his crazy ideas like the wall and deportation of Muslims.
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« Reply #808 on: November 09, 2016, 11:13:16 am »
Another prediction gone wrong as the Dow is up 140 points.

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« Reply #809 on: November 09, 2016, 11:16:53 am »
He will be held to the same standard that Obama was held to with his promise that if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.

Trump will not build a wall, at least a physical wall that extends along the entire Mexican border.  Nor will he deport 12 million people.  I doubt that too many that voted for him actually will expect it.  But I would expect him to be more vigorous about deporting those caught breaking the law, and will be less willing to release newly caught illegal aliens on their own recognizance.

Of much more importance will be the first Supreme Court nominee to replace Scalia, which he will do almost immediately.  His choice will probably set the stage for the rest of his term.  The next thing will be how complete will be his cancelling of many of Obama's executive orders that have been so vexing in the areas of immigration and healthcare.  This is something he can do immediately, and how quickly he does it and how thorough he is about it will be closely watched by many of his supporters.

I expect the first big battle will be over the repatriation of profits held overseas.  This is not something he can do without Congress, and there will be great resistance among Democrats in the Senate.  It should be a good test of whether or not he can be a leader, as well as a demagogue.  One promising thing today is the statements by many Republicans that they intend to do things piecemeal rather than with one large omnibus bill.  The larger the bill, the more tradeoffs and bribes that water down the bill to uselessness.

The greatest danger, of course, is how he will deal with things like tariffs and imports.  Hopefully, he will not do too much damage to the economy, or that the repatriation of foreign profits more than off set or mitigate the damage.