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Jack Birdbath

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« Reply #855 on: November 10, 2016, 04:26:40 pm »
People who voted for Trump are rubes.  It may be hurtful to hear that but the truth can hurt.  Those same people may not think they are racists and misogynists but they are endorsing a man who most definitely is and they are aligning with folks like the KKK and Nazi's. So, they may not think they are racists and misogynists but their actions in this case say otherwise.
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DelMarFan

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« Reply #856 on: November 10, 2016, 04:33:07 pm »
A HUGE percentage of the people who voted for Trump were completely deceived.  They bought into his rhetoric--which was about 75% lies--as the gospel truth.  He's probably 5x the criminal/liar that Hillary is, but they think that She should be locked up.  They think he's going to help them.

He's not.

Ironically, the party that will help those people (the ones who are really angry and lost their jobs and are at the lower end of the economic spectrum?) would be the other one.

I get that some people who voted for Trump have their reasons, not all of which are deplorable.  However, I'll stand by my assertion that lots and lots and lots of people who voted for Trump are rubes.  Someday, maybe, I'll feel sorry for them when they get taught again that trickle-down economics don't work and maybe they don't have *any* health care options and *still* don't have the manufacturing job he promised to bring back, but right now I think I'm a bit too pissed off.
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« Reply #857 on: November 10, 2016, 04:35:43 pm »
I think the mistake in that line of thinking is there wasn't a reasonable alternative.  Many of us think Hilary is an even worse person than trump. If there was reasonable alternative, fine think that, but your calling an awful lot of voters something they're not.

Don't all those bad guys you mention normally support the Republican party?  Doesn't that mean that Republicans are always always lining themselves with them...in walks in the reincarnation other Ronald Reagan, he runs and wins, and a lot of what you say still holds true. 

Jack Birdbath

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« Reply #858 on: November 10, 2016, 04:48:03 pm »
I don't know how you could think Clinton was worse than the racist and misogynist guy who had the support of the KKK and Nazis. But, if you did, you can always choose to abstain.  Presumably you didn't and voted for Trump which says a lot about you.

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« Reply #859 on: November 10, 2016, 04:49:08 pm »
I just don't understand the "Hillary is worse than Trump" line of thinking.  Literally every bad thing that has been said about Clinton during this campaign--she's a liar, she's corrupt, she may be a criminal, she may have misused her charity, and so on--you can say about Donald Trump.  And I'd argue that there is far more evidence that those descriptions of Trump are accurate.

Then on top of that, you have the constant misogynistic and racist rhetoric that was Trump's campaign.  You have a guy who mocked a disabled reporter and encouraged violence against protesters at some of his rallies.  And he openly bragged about committing sexual assault because he wanted to impress Billy Bush.  I just don't get it.
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« Reply #860 on: November 10, 2016, 04:49:43 pm »
Labels like "racist" and "misogynist" are too extreme for most people I have ever met...
I don't associate skin color or gender as automatic identifiers like some extremists do when seeing a person they don't know.
I do know that some stereotypes are accurate - but that is not extreme enough to judge a person on appearance alone.
Most of us "rubes" have to whisper - or use similes or metaphors to have daily discussions about what is degrading our society into 3rd world status...
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« Reply #861 on: November 10, 2016, 04:55:52 pm »
I just don't understand the "Hillary is worse than Trump" line of thinking.  Literally every bad thing that has been said about Clinton during this campaign--she's a liar, she's corrupt, she may be a criminal, she may have misused her charity, and so on--you can say about Donald Trump.  And I'd argue that there is far more evidence that those descriptions of Trump are accurate.

Then on top of that, you have the constant misogynistic and racist rhetoric that was Trump's campaign.  You have a guy who mocked a disabled reporter and encouraged violence against protesters at some of his rallies.  And he openly bragged about committing sexual assault because he wanted to impress Billy Bush.  I just don't get it.
Pay-for-play has been around for a long time.  Both parties have used it extensively.  Nobody was better at it than George W. Bush.  When big-business and big-oil said "jump", he said "how high?".

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« Reply #862 on: November 10, 2016, 04:57:53 pm »
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Many of us think Hilary is an even worse person than trump.

You're wrong.  You've bought into what the alt-right Breitbart people have been selling about Hillary for 20 years.

Is she perfect?  No.  Would she be my first choice?  No.  Is she a better person than Donald Trump?  Unquestionably.

She's spent her whole career championing the rights of children.  Donald Trump champions himself.  The Clinton Foundation (which she actually took flack for) does great charity work around the world.  The Donald Trump Foundation (to which he doesn't even contribute) appears to benefit primarily Donald Trump.  The list goes on.  It is well documented.

That people didn't educate themselves enough to find out what kind of people they were voting for makes them rubes.

BearHit

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« Reply #863 on: November 10, 2016, 05:00:24 pm »
Education is key - voters should be required to pass a TEST before being allowed to vote

DelMarFan

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« Reply #864 on: November 10, 2016, 05:04:56 pm »
Education is key - voters should be required to pass a TEST before being allowed to vote

Amen to that, brother. 

That's the biggest thing I'm taking away from this election.  I've had my doubts about straight-up democracy for a while now, but this election is the poster child for its faults.

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« Reply #865 on: November 10, 2016, 05:05:56 pm »
I think they should place truth collars on all politicians (and pundits).  Every time they lie, they get shocked. Would have put a stop to Trump...and it would have been highly entertaining.
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« Reply #866 on: November 10, 2016, 05:07:44 pm »
Good candidates won't run - when the media will expose their privacy

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« Reply #867 on: November 10, 2016, 05:09:09 pm »
Sarah Palin getting shocked every 2 minutes is something for late-night TV

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« Reply #868 on: November 10, 2016, 05:10:10 pm »
Consider this hypothetical.

The Democratic Party nominates a candidate who is an all around despicable human being.  This person puts forth a progressive agenda.

The Republican Party nominates a candidate who is an all around decent human being.  This person puts forth a conservative agenda.

There are millions upon millions of Democratic/progressive voters who would vote for the Democratic candidate simply because of his or her agenda.

Is that OK?

I say yes.

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« Reply #869 on: November 10, 2016, 05:16:33 pm »
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Consider this hypothetical.

Good one.  As I consider it, let me first throw out that it's a flawed analogy for this election (you probably know that) because no one has any idea what Trump is really going to do once he takes office.  All we know for sure--through the mounds of available evidence--is that he's a despicable human being.  He contradicted himself so many times that believing any particular promise tends dangerously toward rubishness, if you ask me.