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CurtOne

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« Reply #885 on: November 10, 2016, 05:56:46 pm »
If there really that many misogynists and bigots and KKK folks out there, how the hell did Obama get elected twice?  I think it's sour grapes, and I didn't vote for Trump.  I'm sure a lot of those rednecks did vote for Trump, but their numbers probably don't come close to negating the Black and Latino vote for Hillary. 

Hillary made too many mistakes:
1. She should have dumped Bill 5 or 10 years ago.  Without his baggage, the misogynist claims against Trump would have carried more weight.
2. She let the NRA and Trump define her stand on the 2nd Amendment.
3. Dumbass wants to build a wall and send criminals back to Mexico; I don't know her position.  I know she has one but she never clarified it.
4. Other than continuing on the same track, I'm unsure of her foreign policy ideas.  Certainly better than dumbass' but what is it?
5. Instead of talking what her plans were, she got down in the mud with Trump and slung crap with him.
6. She seemed to be more concerned about breaking the glass ceiling for women than showing how she was a better choice than dumbass.

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« Reply #886 on: November 10, 2016, 06:04:31 pm »
People who voted for Trump are rubes.  It may be hurtful to hear that but the truth can hurt.  Those same people may not think they are racists and misogynists but they are endorsing a man who most definitely is and they are aligning with folks like the KKK and Nazi's. So, they may not think they are racists and misogynists but their actions in this case say otherwise.
Oddly enough, when Hillary called Trump's supporters a basket of deplorables is when many in his campaign credit as the moment things started clicking.  The deplorables didn't care, and the ones who weren't deplorable got angry and motivated.

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« Reply #887 on: November 10, 2016, 06:05:41 pm »
Hillary was the Bob Dole of the Democratic Party.  "Hey, she deserves it.  Let her give a shot."

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« Reply #888 on: November 10, 2016, 06:07:02 pm »
The "deplorables" didn't care because they didn't know what the word deplorable meant.  Sounds like adorable.
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Jes Beard

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« Reply #889 on: November 10, 2016, 06:09:47 pm »
The Clinton Foundation (which she actually took flack for) does great charity work around the world.  The Donald Trump Foundation (to which he doesn't even contribute) appears to benefit primarily Donald Trump.

I always find this one amusing.  So you are trying to suggest that most of the "charitable spending" by the Clinton Foundation comes from the pocket of the Clintons?

How much money did she contribute to the Foundation each of the last several years.  From the wikileaks documents it appears the Clintons not only were not giving their own money to heir foundation, but that they were using it as a means of getting contributors to poney up more than $60 MILLION paid directly to Bill.

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« Reply #890 on: November 10, 2016, 06:13:57 pm »
Calling a huge portion of the electorate "deplorables" was a "New Coke" level bad idea.
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« Reply #891 on: November 10, 2016, 06:28:42 pm »
Hillary was the Bob Dole of the Democratic Party.  "Hey, she deserves it.  Let her give a shot."

Sort of.  It was carefully engineered by the Clinton machine to seem that way.  "Why I never considered running for office in New York.  Do you really think I should?  Well, I guess so. . . ."  A total load of horseshit.  My own personal opinion is that she stuck with Bill *because* she wanted to run for president and was just waiting for her turn.  I could be wrong about that, though.

Part of why people hate her is she does a crappy job of covering up what a shrewd politician she is.

Her flaws as candidate and campaign are just part of the perfect storm that conspired to give us Trump as president.

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« Reply #892 on: November 10, 2016, 06:47:28 pm »

Bennett

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« Reply #893 on: November 10, 2016, 07:01:30 pm »
Jes, anyone who takes you off ignore long enough to argue with you is also a rube.
I'm going to assume Jes replied to one of my posts with his usual one-sided nonsense.  Your advice to not override his ignore status is correct.

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« Reply #894 on: November 10, 2016, 07:09:59 pm »
Ouch.  Names hurt. 

So some think folks shouldn't vote if you don't agree with who got their vote?  Wow.  No comment.

I think a lot of folks who voted Trump were looking at supreme Court and perhaps undoing some of Obamas more damaging stuff in addition to not thinking much of Hillary. If both candidates are bad, then look for other reasons to elect one.   It doesn't have to be because I'm a racist or a rube or any of the other stuff you care to label me. 
 

I didnt enter this to have some huge debate and be ridiculed but some of the labels are so inaccurate and ill informed some people here are painting half the country with, I ended up posting and probably shouldn't have because no good will come of it. 

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« Reply #895 on: November 10, 2016, 07:23:58 pm »
[quote author=DelMarFan link=topic=96.msg297036#msg297036 date=1478818673
She's spent her whole career championing the rights of children.  Donald Trump champions himself.  The Clinton Foundation (which she actually took flack for) does great charity work around the world.  The Donald Trump Foundation (to which he doesn't even contribute) appears to benefit primarily Donald Trump.  The list goes on.  It is well documented
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The Clinton Foundation does very little actual charity work.

It donates money to The Clinton Health Initiative. There isn't a website for what this actually does.

It donates money to the Clinton Health Access Initiative. They negiotiate with companies to get low cost HIV medications. They could buy the medicine, but they don't. The lowest percentage goes to this.

They donate money to Clinton Library. I'm not sure how this is consider charity work. If you take out the overhead and the money that goes to the Clinton Library and assume that the Clinton Health Initiative is an actual charity, then less than 80% of the money goes to charity work, which is a pretty crappy percentage. This isn't Jimmy Carter and Habit for Humanity.

Clinton and Trump are two sides of the same coin. If he does something stupid he'll lose the congress and grid lock will happen. Hopefully he'll do a better job. If not it is another 4 years of doing nothing about our nations problems. Much like it was been since Clinton and the congress quit working with each other.

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« Reply #896 on: November 10, 2016, 07:30:51 pm »
Why?

And if they attempt to do so, do you send in federal troops, a la Lincoln, which started a civil war resulting in the death of one of every twenty people in the country?

The civil war started when South Carolina fired upon Federal troops in Fort Sumpter.  Since you know everything, you must know that.  Of course, facts mean nothing to you unless they support your agenda of the day.

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« Reply #897 on: November 10, 2016, 07:35:40 pm »

For me personally, the moral part of it matters.  I think it's important that the president is someone that kids can look up to. 


I made quite a few enemies among conservatives when I criticized them for wanting to impeach Bill Clinton for his sexual preditory actions against a young intern.  I have no idea how old you are, but if you were an adult at that time, I assume you were calling for his impeachment along with them.  If so, then you are truly a consistent person.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #898 on: November 10, 2016, 08:45:37 pm »
I made quite a few enemies among conservatives when I criticized them for wanting to impeach Bill Clinton for his sexual preditory actions against a young intern.

Hmmm.... I don't recall that being among the articles of impeachment.  Could you perhaps point it out to me?  Just to make it easy:

Article I: States that in his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. States that contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury.

Article II: States that in his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice in that William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him.

Article III: States that in his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, and has to that end engaged personally, and through his subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or scheme designed to delay, impede, cover up, and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a Federal civil rights action brought against him in a duly instituted judicial proceeding.

Article IV: States that using the powers and influence of the office of President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has engaged in conduct that resulted in misuse and abuse of his high office, impaired the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, and contravened the authority of the legislative branch and the truth seeking purpose of a coordinate investigative proceeding, in that, as President, William Jefferson Clinton refused and failed to respond to certain written requests for admission and willfully made perjurious, false, and misleading sworn statements in response to certain written requests for admission propounded to him as part of the impeachment inquiry authorized by the House of Representatives of the Congress of the United States. States that William Jefferson Clinton, in refusing and failing to respond and in making perjurious, false and misleading statements, assumed to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives and exhibited contempt for the inquiry.

States, with reference to each article of impeachment, that: (1) in so doing, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States; and (2) William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.


Despite the Clinton team's successful spin that it was all about him having sex with Lewinsky, that actually was not involved at all.  Had he done everything he did EXCEPT for diddling the intern, he still would have been impeached, only without the chance of spinning it the way he did he likely then would have actually been removed.

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« Reply #899 on: November 10, 2016, 09:00:17 pm »
I ended up posting and probably shouldn't have because no good will come of it.

The fact that not everyone agrees with you, or that some strongly disagree and even call you names, does not mean no good comes from a post or a discussion.  Don't let those who pis$ and moan on hearing something they don't like discourage you from trying to engage in conversation.... and if you limit yourself to exchanges which will never offend anyone, you are only going to contribute to really boring exchanges.