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Jack Birdbath

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« Reply #915 on: November 11, 2016, 11:30:59 am »

Are you really suggesting that more than 55 million Americans are racist idiots? . 

Yes. Actually the number of racist idiots is much higher but that's the number that showed up to vote on Tuesday.

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« Reply #916 on: November 11, 2016, 11:35:20 am »
I think that only a small minority of those who voted for Trump are racist idiots.  Most have legitimate grievances that their government has not worked well for them.  Many do not like the direction things have gone in this country in terms of social issues.  Many are looking for solutions to complex world problems that will ease their fear of terrorism.  Many feel that that rolling the dice with an unknown as President, someone who promises "change", is a better bet for them than continuing with the status quo (i.e., Hillary).

For me, Clinton's character issues are very troubling but Trump's are disqualifying.  But now that he has been elected, my hope is that most of the crazy stuff he spouted represented a strategy for winning the election that he will abandon now that it has served his purpose.  Historically, his political stances seem to have been quite moderate and I'm hopeful that he will govern that way.  Time will tell.

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« Reply #917 on: November 11, 2016, 11:36:05 am »
Warren Buffett on President-elect Trump: 'He deserves everybody's respect'

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« Reply #918 on: November 11, 2016, 11:36:58 am »
Trump has done nothing to earn my respect.  I hope that will change.

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« Reply #919 on: November 11, 2016, 11:39:24 am »
Trump has done nothing to earn my respect.  I hope that will change.
LOL  Mine either, but I thought Buffett's comment was interesting since he was so anti before the election.

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« Reply #920 on: November 11, 2016, 11:43:23 am »
I think that only a small minority of those who voted for Trump are racist idiots.  Most have legitimate grievances that their government has not worked well for them.  Many do not like the direction things have gone in this country in terms of social issues.  Many are looking for solutions to complex world problems that will ease their fear of terrorism.  Many feel that that rolling the dice with an unknown as President, someone who promises "change", is a better bet for them than continuing with the status quo (i.e., Hillary).

For me, Clinton's character issues are very troubling but Trump's are disqualifying.  But now that he has been elected, my hope is that most of the crazy stuff he spouted represented a strategy for winning the election that he will abandon now that it has served his purpose.  Historically, his political stances seem to have been quite moderate and I'm hopeful that he will govern that way.  Time will tell.



The big problem is that Trump is likely to delegate the work to a group of people that are much worse than he is.   Mike Pence is an absolute nightmare and he'll probably end up as the de facto President as soon as Trump realizes how hard the job is.

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« Reply #921 on: November 11, 2016, 11:44:35 am »
The office of the Presidency does deserve respect though.  The not my President crap from both sides needs to end.  If Trump turns out to be every -ist in the book, that won't do much to distinguish him from other office holders and America survived them.

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« Reply #922 on: November 11, 2016, 11:44:39 am »
It's true that a small percentage of Trump supporters are racist idiots.  Most are merely idiots.
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« Reply #924 on: November 11, 2016, 11:54:37 am »
Trump should come out with a strong, unambiguous statement about the abhorrence of racism with a specific denunciation of the Clan.

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« Reply #925 on: November 11, 2016, 11:56:22 am »
Why would he start now?  He had an entire election cycle to make such a statement and didn't.  He won, he doesn't have to say anything now.

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« Reply #926 on: November 11, 2016, 11:58:09 am »
Has Jes said, "Trump is toast" yet?

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« Reply #927 on: November 11, 2016, 12:00:30 pm »
As one of the few people on this board who is not a straight, white, male, I need to chime in.  I need to say that it terrifies me that we have put someone in the White House of the character and temperament of Trump.  But even more than that, it terrifies me what he has emboldened in others.  I feel like I know many of you.  I like and respect almost all of you, regardless of some of the things I've read in this thread that I vehemently disagree with.  (And the Bears board version of this, which I accidentally stumbled upon, actually left me unable to sleep.)  I hope you'll read this article, as it says almost exactly what I would say to each of you who supported Trump.  And lest you think the reports of people exhibiting hatefulness are being overblown by the media, I will tell you that I have already had multiple friends experience it personally, being called racial or homophobic slurs.  In a metropolitan area.  In a blue state.  I can only imagine what it is like in other parts of the country.  Thanks to those of you willing to read this, and do what you can to support your fellow Americans right now, who are scared, and not without reason to be.  I hope and pray we can heal and protect each other from the ugliest among us.

https://medium.com/@jessicashortall/voted-for-trump-i-have-only-one-plea-7d5994c7a3d1#.2bb4yrn2i 
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« Reply #928 on: November 11, 2016, 12:02:09 pm »
heh, this Calexit and 2012's Texas threat really echo Mikhail Gorbachev's prophecy that the United States would break up just like the Soviet Union did.  My recollection is that he even had a map that showed California and a sector from North Dakota straight south through Texas as the "new nations."

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« Reply #929 on: November 11, 2016, 12:07:24 pm »
As one of the few people on this board who is not a straight, white, male, I need to chime in.  I need to say that it terrifies me that we have put someone in the White House of the character and temperament of Trump.  But even more than that, it terrifies me what he has emboldened in others.  I feel like I know many of you.  I like and respect almost all of you, regardless of some of the things I've read in this thread that I vehemently disagree with.  (And the Bears board version of this, which I accidentally stumbled upon, actually left me unable to sleep.)  I hope you'll read this article, as it says almost exactly what I would say to each of you who supported Trump.  And lest you think the reports of people exhibiting hatefulness are being overblown by the media, I will tell you that I have already had multiple friends experience it personally, being called racial or homophobic slurs.  In a metropolitan area.  In a blue state.  I can only imagine what it is like in other parts of the country.  Thanks to those of you willing to read this, and do what you can to support your fellow Americans right now, who are scared, and not without reason to be.  I hope and pray we can heal and protect each other from the ugliest among us.

https://medium.com/@jessicashortall/voted-for-trump-i-have-only-one-plea-7d5994c7a3d1#.2bb4yrn2i 

That is the approach that should be taken, thanks for posting it.
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