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« Reply #930 on: November 11, 2016, 12:11:52 pm »
The racists and other bigots are not really of much use to Trump now.  He's smart enough to understand that denouncing them in clear terms serves his interests regardless of what he really feels.

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« Reply #931 on: November 11, 2016, 12:15:46 pm »
I don't think Trump is that smart. I think he reacts without thought and will never admit he was wrong afterward.  The more people plead with Trump to do the right thing, the more he will resist.

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« Reply #932 on: November 11, 2016, 12:20:54 pm »
So in response to Robb and partly Curt.  I think that about 90% of my friends voted for Trump.  I live in Indiana.  That's what is bothering me the most.  I don't understand how my friends could vote for him.  I also believe the many things he said and did are disqualifying.  Things no other candidate could get away with.  I don't think that my friends know that I am a Democrat.  I normally try to stay away from political discussions because my parents never talked politics (probably because my Dad was a Democrat and my mom was a Republican).  I have always felt your political leaning is personal - and it is.  I'm angry that my friends don't see him as disqualifying with his behavior and beliefs and intentions.  Its disheartening.  I'm not talking policy differences which it seems that Robb felt disheartened with in 2008 and 2012.  I understand people will differ with respect to the role of the government in society.  I accept that and didn't feel this way after Bush was elected.  I respected Bush as a person, but disagreed with his policy.  That's fine. Most of my friends are very passionate about not allowing gay marriage and I'm sure that and abortion were the 2 main issues in them voting for Trump.  I believe it isn't the governments place to regulate those issues.  My problem isn't with policy (really we don't know what Trump's policy is going to be at all), but its with the man himself.  I'm embarrassed that he is the leader of our country. Mortified of his behavior and what it will do globally.  Ashamed that my kids have to watch him govern our country.

I wouldn't say that 55 million people are racist or bigots or sexists.  I would say that 55 million people do not care enough about those issues.  They care about others issues more than plain human decency. That makes me very sad.  Already hate crimes are up after Trump's election.  Those that voted for him whether they agree with his racism/sexism own that part of him too during his stint. They are essentially saying that his behavior is ok even though I know for sure they would be mortified if any of their kids behaved that way.  To me that is very hypocritical.
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« Reply #933 on: November 11, 2016, 12:55:13 pm »
I appreciate your comment Grrr, it has to be tough living among people so opposed to your viewpoints.  I will say that for all of the issues I had with Trump I had just as many with Clinton.  She didn't just look the other way as her husband ****, fondled and harassed scores of women, she threatened, bullied and destroyed the reputations of those woman for dare speaking out.  Does that no disqualify her in your mind as well?  Clinton was grossly negligent in protecting our foreign workers abroad and 4 men died because of it.  Then she stood next to their caskets and lied to their grieving families.  It takes a special kind of sadistic person to do that.  She and Bill operated a pay for play scheme with her office, growing rich through their public "service".  Hilary was fired from the Watergate commission by a democrat for lying and cheating.  There are many disqualifying actions Hilary is every bit as guilty of as Trump that could make her disqualified to run this country.  But many here were willing to look the other way because they agreed with her policies.  Sound familiar?
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« Reply #934 on: November 11, 2016, 01:19:36 pm »
We're all over-analyzing as is the media.  Step back.  Take a deep breath.  Let's see how things sort out.  Bottom line more people, given a hobson choice, chose Trump.  Probably half his votes were not votes for him but votes against Hillary.

We simply don't have the spirit of the past.  We refuse to accept the will of the majority as expressed in the electoral system.  Happens at every level.  Hell, it happens in high school at Homecoming Queen elections.  We need to get back to basics of majority rule.  When I was younger and advising student council it was amusing how often we voted on things until the vote came out the way a few of the leaders wanted.  Seems like that's still the case.

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« Reply #935 on: November 11, 2016, 01:21:28 pm »
Grr, you might want to watch the Michael Moore Morning Joe interview.  I think he gives a reasonable explanation of Trump voters and why African Americans didn't vote in Michigan.

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« Reply #936 on: November 11, 2016, 01:52:22 pm »
I've been boycotting the Homecoming dance for 40 years.

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« Reply #937 on: November 11, 2016, 02:03:13 pm »
I've been boycotting the Homecoming dance for 40 years.
You weren't elected queen either?

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« Reply #938 on: November 11, 2016, 02:14:25 pm »
Curt, if we were back to the basics of majority rule, Hillary would be President.

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« Reply #939 on: November 11, 2016, 02:17:03 pm »
Curt, if we were back to the basics of majority rule, Hillary would be President.
That's why I said within our electoral system.

If we didn't have the electoral college, we could just let California and New York vote and see who we get.  The founders were wise to put that in, and people who espouse getting rid of it are foolish.  It would take an amendment, and I can figure 40 states who would vote no.
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« Reply #940 on: November 11, 2016, 02:18:39 pm »
I prefer the electoral college system, but it's not majority rule.

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« Reply #941 on: November 11, 2016, 02:20:38 pm »
I wonder how the election would have turned out if "popular vote wins" was in place before the election.  You have to think that there are many millions of people who don't vote simply because they live in a comfortably red or blue state.
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« Reply #942 on: November 11, 2016, 02:30:23 pm »
It's a majority of the electoral votes, right?  270 is majority.

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« Reply #943 on: November 11, 2016, 02:51:31 pm »
It's a majority of something, that's true.  Just not voters.

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« Reply #944 on: November 11, 2016, 02:53:02 pm »
Hmmm.... I don't recall that being among the articles of impeachment.  Could you perhaps point it out to me?  Just to make it easy:


Reading comprehension, Jes.  Did I say that was among the articles of impeachment.  I said that many conservatives wanted to impeach him for that reason.  It may surprise you to know that I had no direct conversations with a single member of the House that created the articles of impeachment.
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