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My point is that there are a bunch of people out there who voted for Donald Trump because exactly what you said--they believe Hillary is a worse person than Donald Trump because Rush Limbaugh told them so.

I believe that Hillary is a much worse person than Trump, and I have not listened to a single word that Limbaugh has said in the past ten years.

But that is not the reason why I voted for Trump.  Quite simply, I voted for him because I believe that the policies I expect him to implement, (in spite of several things I am against) will on the whole be much better for the country than those that I would have expected Hillary to have implemented (or maintained).

I appreciate your comment Grrr, it has to be tough living among people so opposed to your viewpoints.  I will say that for all of the issues I had with Trump I had just as many with Clinton.  She didn't just look the other way as her husband ****, fondled and harassed scores of women, she threatened, bullied and destroyed the reputations of those woman for dare speaking out.  Does that no disqualify her in your mind as well?  Clinton was grossly negligent in protecting our foreign workers abroad and 4 men died because of it.  Then she stood next to their caskets and lied to their grieving families.  It takes a special kind of sadistic person to do that.  She and Bill operated a pay for play scheme with her office, growing rich through their public "service".  Hilary was fired from the Watergate commission by a democrat for lying and cheating.  There are many disqualifying actions Hilary is every bit as guilty of as Trump that could make her disqualified to run this country.  But many here were willing to look the other way because they agreed with her policies.  Sound familiar?

Robb, I had started on a length discussion on all these points to show that I've found conflicting reports on their accuracy.  There is no doubt that Bill had sexual issues and that Hillary "attacked" the accusers.  On a personal note - after I learned of Bill's sexual misconduct, I voted for Perot.  I guess I believe that Hillary's attacks as initially believing her husband was innocent - he seemed to be very good at lying.  And it really wasn't "scores of women."  But the Watergate firing is flat out wrong if you look it up.

So the issue comes down to that there are conflicting reports on Hillary's involvement on everything she's been accused of.  But there is no confusion on Trump because we have video proof of him saying these things.  And we still don't have his tax returns!  We don't know what type of conflicts he is going to have. I just don't see Hillary's issues as damning as Trumps.  Not even close in my book and I guess that's where we should just agree to disagree.

Right Jes.  So do you suggest another independent site (at least as independent as can be in this environment)?

I'm seriously trying to get to the truth rather than spewing information from MSNBC or FoxNews because I don't fully trust either one.

Not everyone here limits their posts to spew, though quite clearly many do.

As for another site, if you find one where you have a much higher percentage to wheat to chaff, please do let me know.

I don't think Trump is that smart. I think he reacts without thought and will never admit he was wrong afterward.  The more people plead with Trump to do the right thing, the more he will resist.

While that is a reasonable belief, and one I share, there is still ample room for hope.

I wonder how the election would have turned out if "popular vote wins" was in place before the election.  You have to think that there are many millions of people who don't vote simply because they live in a comfortably red or blue state.

That's an important point, but only half of the matter.

If the election turned on who won the popular vote, campaigns, campaign stops, organization and ad spending would be vastly different.

Trump won under the rules in place at the time.  That is all that really matters.

And it really wasn't "scores of women."

Actually it WAS "scores of women."

In my prior life I worked in news, a career that started in 1982 with the ABC TV affiliate in Jonesboro, Arkansas, as a reporter.  One weekend I went out to cover a stop Governor Clinton was in the NW corner of the state to make announcements related to recent flood damage in the area and we were there, along with all the Little Rock and Memphis stations, all of whom had much greater familiarity with Clinton and his behavior.

As small as the station was, when I was volunteering to cover this on a weekend, I was doing it without a photographer and was shooting the story along with reporting it.  To help me out, and because I liked her company, I had my 19-year-old girlfriend (I was then 28) along with me to hold the microphone and learn a bit of the business.  She was an intern there.  She was also quite attractive.

At the conclusion of the news conference after his statement, all of the other news crews were packing up, and Clinton took two steps forward to where my girlfriend was still standing with the microphone in her outstretched hand, put his right hand right behind her right elbow at that arm still held out the mic, and then used his left hand to gently stroke the top side of her forearm, looked her gently in the eyes and cooed to her about how he had never seen her before but he knew she would have a bright future in the business because she was so attractive.

Shannon, my girlfriend was stunned.  She just sort of stammered and pulled back.  Not one of the other news people reacted at all.  To them it was simply another day covering Clinton.  They had seem him do the same sort of thing time after time.

Even before I saw him trying to hit on my girlfriend I had heard the stories about his womanizing.  Thinking that "scores" is in any way an exaggeration really underestimates just how much of a dog he was.

Thanks for the story Jes.  If it wasn't so reprehensible, it might be funny.  I'd only heard about alleged womanizing and only found a couple of documented sexual assault, and a few sexual indiscretions which appeared to be mutual.

In reference to the "scores" comment I thought Robb was referring to the sexual assault cases against him not the total of womanizing allegations.  But that's all semantics.  He was a pig and I was disappointed I supported him the first go round.