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Jes Beard

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« Reply #960 on: November 11, 2016, 11:22:21 pm »
Thanks for the story Jes.  If it wasn't so reprehensible, it might be funny.

Oh, it is funny, now, though at the moment I was not laughing about it.  Haven't had any contact with the old girlfriend in more than 30 years, though I sometimes wonder if she has also shared the story...

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« Reply #963 on: November 12, 2016, 10:04:39 am »
My projection wouldn't have been too much different.  I thought he would win Florida and Ohio, but I really never dreamed that he would win Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  And I felt North Carolina was a coin toss.

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« Reply #964 on: November 12, 2016, 11:43:09 am »
One thing I am tired of hearing is that we are deeply divided nation.  How many elections have been blowouts?  Especially not involving an incumbent?  I would imagine the phrase deeply divided nation could have applied in all but a very small handfulls of elections.  Small issue I know but to me it's just lazy.  America is and will probably always be divided.  Unless we start raising children in brainwashing camps and programming them from childhood we are always going to be divided. 
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« Reply #965 on: November 12, 2016, 12:44:08 pm »
One thing I am tired of hearing is that we are deeply divided nation.  How many elections have been blowouts?  Especially not involving an incumbent?  I would imagine the phrase deeply divided nation could have applied in all but a very small handfulls of elections.  Small issue I know but to me it's just lazy.  America is and will probably always be divided.  Unless we start raising children in brainwashing camps and programming them from childhood we are always going to be divided. 

We were a lot more divided in 1860 anyway.

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« Reply #966 on: November 12, 2016, 01:10:21 pm »
For the last 40 years, the election map that went county by county showed massive red area compared to smaller blue around big cities.  Even California, Washington, and Oregon are much more red than blue.  Ever since WWII, the country has gotten more urban and rural people feel left out.  Rubes, if you will.  Often I find that city folks have totally lost touch with the roots...where there food comes from, small town values, faith, etc.  There are other issues that divide us, but unlike slavery, JR, they aren't localized to a certain group of states like slavery, which it made it relatively easy to break apart and fight.  Abortion for instance.  It divides our country, but how do you have a civil war about it?  So it just tears us and polarizes us. 

Jes Beard

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« Reply #967 on: November 12, 2016, 04:41:48 pm »
One thing I am tired of hearing is that we are deeply divided nation.  How many elections have been blowouts?  Especially not involving an incumbent?  I would imagine the phrase deeply divided nation could have applied in all but a very small handfulls of elections.  Small issue I know but to me it's just lazy.  America is and will probably always be divided.  Unless we start raising children in brainwashing camps and programming them from childhood we are always going to be divided.

Have you sat in on any public school classrooms lately?

There is a real effort to do just that.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #968 on: November 12, 2016, 04:45:29 pm »
We were a lot more divided in 1860 anyway.

As Curt mentioned, it really is not so much that we are less divided than in 1860, but that the division is not divided along such easily identified political/geographic lines.  Urban/rural might come close to identifying the division, but the "urban/rural" division does not really lend itself to clean divisions of political units.

I suspect we are every bit as divided as we were in 1860.  It is just that there is much more mixing of the division.

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« Reply #969 on: November 12, 2016, 06:56:03 pm »
I think a lot of the sense of division comes from the gerrymander districts in the House. Republicans and a democratic have mostly safe congressional districts and very few swing districts. This has gutted both parties centers and it makes bipartisan bills nearly impossible. Throw in ways that liberal/conservatives can go after RINO/DINO and it really limits working across the aisle. While I think the difference between the average democrat and republican is great, in congress the gap is much, much wider.

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« Reply #970 on: November 12, 2016, 07:26:44 pm »
I think a lot of the sense of division comes from the gerrymander districts in the House. Republicans and a democratic have mostly safe congressional districts and very few swing districts. This has gutted both parties centers and it makes bipartisan bills nearly impossible. Throw in ways that liberal/conservatives can go after RINO/DINO and it really limits working across the aisle. While I think the difference between the average democrat and republican is great, in congress the gap is much, much wider.

So if the "sense of division" is greater today than in the past, is this gerrymander thing new?


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« Reply #971 on: November 12, 2016, 07:30:15 pm »

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« Reply #972 on: November 12, 2016, 07:50:54 pm »
So if the "sense of division" is greater today than in the past, is this gerrymander thing new?



It isn't new. It has been greatly improved to the point where most districts are now safe Dem or Repub.  How many blue dog democrats are left?

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« Reply #973 on: November 12, 2016, 08:16:46 pm »
It isn't new. It has been greatly improved to the point where most districts are now safe Dem or Repub.  How many blue dog democrats are left?

Take a look at the pdf link I posted.  It explains a lot about why it has gotten worse, and more common, and how it leads to greater polarization.... and greater gridlock.  Of course, since I am far more concerned with what Congress does do than what it doesn't do, I don't mind gridlock nearly as much as most.

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« Reply #974 on: November 13, 2016, 07:49:37 am »
This is a thing who spent years trying to deligitimize an African American president with a crazy birth certificate conspiracy.

This a thing who called Mexicans rapists, murders, and some are probably OK.

I could copy and paste quotes that are examples of a morally bankrupt and dangerous person, but we've all seen them.

I can not forgive anyone who voted for that piece of filth. Imagine if this thing was your kids teacher.  Imagine leaving your daughter in a room with it.

This is a moral Armageddon.  An embarrassing stain for anyone who has ethics. This is the Cubs losing game 7 and then Joe Maddon complaining it's bc of the Mexican Umpire.

Don't reply with an attack on other candidates with fodder from the usual suspects; defend a son of a man who attended KKK rallies and whose demonstrated the sins of its father.  Who claims to not know who David duke is and was ok with the support of white supremacist groups.

Fu@&ing defend that.
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