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CurtOne

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« Reply #1020 on: November 14, 2016, 12:44:06 pm »
Irony: the Electoral College was originally set up by the Founders, not only so larger and more populous states could not control the other states and dominate the election, but also by putting in that extra step, it would make it harder for the rubes to get control and the elites could maintain control because the college would be a buffer.  Damn Elites.  Damn Rubes.

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« Reply #1021 on: November 14, 2016, 01:55:48 pm »
It does seem that wants to turn the Republican party into a more European conservative movement, which would have a much different feel than the current Republican party.

Can you give a short description of a European conservative movement?  It is another term that I haven't heard.

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« Reply #1022 on: November 14, 2016, 02:18:32 pm »
It is a far more populist movement with a large amount of racial bigotry thrown in.

This would be an example, UKIP is another

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

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« Reply #1023 on: November 14, 2016, 04:49:45 pm »
Can you give a short description of a European conservative movement?

The NAZI's were a European conservative movement.... and much of the alt-right would be very comfortable there.
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« Reply #1024 on: November 14, 2016, 05:37:01 pm »
Who is the alt-right, and what do they have in common with the NAZIs?

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« Reply #1025 on: November 14, 2016, 06:10:10 pm »
Who: People who get endorsed by Nazis
In common with: Nazis

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« Reply #1026 on: November 14, 2016, 06:19:43 pm »
And I anticipate a possible next question, "what do Nazis stand for?"

This is starting to remind me of Harry Belefonte's old song, "Hole in the Bucket". 

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« Reply #1027 on: November 15, 2016, 11:00:01 am »
Who is the alt-right, and what do they have in common with the NAZIs?

Dave, I was looking up some stuff on why I strongly oppose Bannon and to answer your alt-right question. 

And then I came across this article straight from the leaders of the alt-right movement themselves, and I think this answers everything.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

Basically this article admits that alt-right is a cultural movement that's more into white identity politics than economic conservatism. 

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In fairness, many establishment conservatives aren’t keen on this stuff either — but the alt-right would argue that they’re too afraid of being called “racist” to seriously fight against it. Which is why they haven’t. Certainly, the rise of Donald Trump, perhaps the first truly cultural candidate for President since Buchanan, suggests grassroots appetite for more robust protection of the western European and American way of life.

Alt-righters describe establishment conservatives who care more about the free market than preserving western culture, and who are happy to endanger the latter with mass immigration where it serves the purposes of big business, as “cuckservatives.”

Halting, or drastically slowing, immigration is a major priority for the alt-right. While eschewing bigotry on a personal level, the movement is frightened by the prospect of demographic displacement represented by immigration.

The alt-right do not hold a utopian view of the human condition: just as they are inclined to prioritise the interests of their tribe, they recognise that other groups – Mexicans, African-Americans or Muslims – are likely to do the same.

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« Reply #1028 on: November 15, 2016, 11:08:37 am »
CBJ, I actually hadn't quite appreciated the idea that the alt-righter's and people like Bannon were trying to move the Republican party to a UKIP style party (or the French New Right like like Marine Le Pen) until you mentioned it and until I read that article. 

I guess I also always viewed the alt-right as racist uneducated people or radio, internet and TV hosts profiting off of those people.  I actually didn't realize Bannon was an Ivy Leaguer until you mentioned it, and after reading that article, I think Milo Yiannopoulos is right in describing his alt-right crowd as "dangerously bright". 

I'm even more glad I voted against Donald Trump now that I'm learning more about these people.
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« Reply #1029 on: November 15, 2016, 11:14:48 am »
Interesting.  Before he was appointed yesterday (or the day before) I had never heard of him (I assume I have heard his name on some newscast or other, but nothing that caused it to stick).  The only thing I have heard about him since then is that he works for Breitbart, which doesn't help a lot since I have never read Breitbart and no nothing about it other than that Otto doesn't like them.

Can someone point to impartial information about him?

And in addition to the above, here are a few other reasons why I think Bannon is a scumbag, some of which you might agree or disagree with.

For starters, some Breitbart editors feel Trump provided financial backing to Breitbart to basically turn it into his propaganda arm.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/breitbart-staffers-believe-trump-has-given-money-to-site-for?utm_term=.bi2evqeLn#.vbd6p86zE

Here's an article from CNN Money with some of Breitbart's most incendiary headlines since it became the trumpet site for the alt-right.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/media/breitbart-incendiary-headlines/

Breitbart coordinated with a Democratic operative to help take down Marco Rubio during the primaries.

http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2016/10/25/breitbart-reporter-proud-working-shady-democrat-operative-expose-rubio/

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/10/24/breitbart-news-worked-alongside-leftist-activist-attack-conservatives/

Breitbart kept up a major false narrative in Paul Ryan's primary race that he was in the "fight of his life" and kept pumping up his Trump style primary opponent.  Ryan, of course, wound up winning that primary with 84% of the vote.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/19/desperate-paul-ryan-floods-wisconsin-airwaves-misleading-television-ads/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/09/good-soul-paul-ryan-bows-populism-career-flashes-eyes/
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« Reply #1030 on: November 15, 2016, 12:06:45 pm »
CBJ, I actually hadn't quite appreciated the idea that the alt-righter's and people like Bannon were trying to move the Republican party to a UKIP style party (or the French New Right like like Marine Le Pen) until you mentioned it and until I read that article. 

I guess I also always viewed the alt-right as racist uneducated people or radio, internet and TV hosts profiting off of those people.  I actually didn't realize Bannon was an Ivy Leaguer until you mentioned it, and after reading that article, I think Milo Yiannopoulos is right in describing his alt-right crowd as "dangerously bright". 

I'm even more glad I voted against Donald Trump now that I'm learning more about these people.

I think it is going to be a realllllllllllllllly interesting 4 years.  One one side you will have the Tea Party which is the smaller governement on the other will be the Trumpkins which want massive spending, protecting social spending.  I just can't see how they work together, unless the Tea Party folds.  Eventually, I think one of Prebius or Bannon will win out.  If Prebius ends up staying then the Ryan wing of the Republican wins and I feel ok with a Trump Presidency.  If Bannon wins then poop. 

The alt right is scary because they are smart.  They can hit enough conservative notes that people won't notice all the other crap that they stand for.  I'm quite happy with my vote for Johnson and if the Republicans continue down this path, then I have a feeling I will be voting for a lot more 3rd party people at the presidential level.  I'll stay registered a Republican to be able to vote for local primaries, but if the Trump wing takes over then I'm out too.
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« Reply #1032 on: November 15, 2016, 02:24:24 pm »
"Pamela Ramsey Taylor, who runs a local non-profit group in Clay County, referred to the first lady as an "ape".
"It will be refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified first lady in the White House. I'm tired of seeing a Ape in heels," she said.

Ms Taylor told local news outlet WSAZ, which first carried the story, that she acknowledged her Facebook post could be "interpreted as racist, but in no way was intended to be", and that she was expressing a personal opinion on attractiveness, not the colour of a person's skin."

I mean that seems possible.  I am also purple impaired.

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« Reply #1033 on: November 15, 2016, 02:27:18 pm »
"Pamela Ramsey Taylor, who runs a local non-profit group in Clay County, referred to the first lady as an "ape".
"It will be refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified first lady in the White House. I'm tired of seeing a Ape in heels," she said.

Ms Taylor told local news outlet WSAZ, which first carried the story, that she acknowledged her Facebook post could be "interpreted as racist, but in no way was intended to be", and that she was expressing a personal opinion on attractiveness, not the colour of a person's skin."I mean that seems possible.  I am also purple impaired.

That isn't racist like "While eschewing bigotry on a personal level, the movement is frightened by the prospect of demographic displacement represented by immigration," isn't a racist sentiment either by the alt-right.
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« Reply #1034 on: November 15, 2016, 02:32:50 pm »
JR, I'm confused. Are you saying that referring to the First Lady as an Ape is not racist? I can't imagine that's what you are saying...but I'm unclear on your meaning.