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FDISK

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« Reply #1050 on: November 16, 2016, 03:58:26 pm »
Beats me. 

I know that the investigators pay close attention to social media. They also take a very dim view of past bankruptcies.  BUT...Although no one would ever admit it,  the rules are obviously different for politicians.  If I had operated an open classified server, I'd be in jail.  Hillary got to run for President.
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Jes Beard

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« Reply #1051 on: November 16, 2016, 10:31:18 pm »
Of course the President requires a clearance. And anyone with a clearance knows better than to divulge information to their spouse, unless, of course, said spouse also has a clearance AND A NEED TO KNOW.

I think Hillary pretty much demolished the idea that anyone with a clearance would "know better" of much of anything.

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« Reply #1052 on: November 16, 2016, 10:36:07 pm »
Those who were on the board back in about 2010 might well remember discussions concerning how soon the world would run out of oil.  The general prediction at that time was about 30 years, although there were some that predicted that extracting oil from shale deposits could double that.

I was around then, and likely took part in any such discussion, but I genuinely don't remember it.  I know I have taken part in several such discussions over the years, and generally forget all of them fairly quickly because the position the world will soon "run out of oil" are so patently absurd that it is just hard to credit them with enough merit to commit them to memory.

FDISK

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« Reply #1053 on: November 16, 2016, 10:38:27 pm »
"I think Hillary pretty much demolished the idea that anyone with a clearance would "know better" of much of anything."

That statement is about 100% incorrect. "Anyone with a clearance" does know better, including Hillary.
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BearHit

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« Reply #1054 on: November 17, 2016, 04:47:43 am »
And we get plenty of reminders - and annual refresher training
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« Reply #1055 on: November 17, 2016, 07:50:10 am »
A lot has changed since the Walker family fiasco.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #1056 on: November 17, 2016, 08:27:22 am »
And we get plenty of reminders - and annual refresher training

Except that Hillary apparently blew her training off.  After all, you don't need it when the rules don't really apply to you.

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« Reply #1057 on: November 17, 2016, 09:22:08 am »
A lot has changed since the Walker family fiasco.

What was the Walker family fisaco?



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« Reply #1060 on: November 17, 2016, 12:11:25 pm »
I had heard of John Walker, but had not heard it referenced as the Walker Family Fiasco.

I was stationed in the Air Force Security Service base (the Air Force electronic spy arm) in Misawa Japan in the 1970s.  I was in purchasing, and had nothing to do with security or spy functions, but as a staff member I was not only allowed, but required to attend a security briefing every Tuesday morning.  At the time, it dealt with what was going on in Viet Nam, and even then I was surprised that so much classified information was given to so many support officers that had absolutely no reason to hear it.  I knew that since then, much of this was changed, but I do not know to what extent.

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« Reply #1061 on: November 17, 2016, 01:21:40 pm »
I was in the Navy in the 80s - it was a daily topic of discussion for us

FDISK

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« Reply #1062 on: November 17, 2016, 02:00:09 pm »
Over the last 20 years I've seen things get better and worse. For instance:

Better: Information became highly compartmentalized. A top secret clearance did not mean you had the need to know. There were entire projects/hallways/buildings completely off limits without the proper authorizations. General security briefings became rare.

Worse: At some levels computing moved from individual to centralized. More efficient and reliable but it also meant that system administrators, being able to access all data, became super security risks. I used to tell my bosses that their #1 security risk was ME. They used to laugh at that...until Snowden happened, that is. I'm retired now and I do not miss the extra scrutiny; the monthly polygraphs, the drug tests and monitoring of social media and personal relationships.

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« Reply #1063 on: November 17, 2016, 02:45:44 pm »
I wonder what percentage of what's considered classified really needs to be classified.

FDISK

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« Reply #1064 on: November 17, 2016, 02:47:44 pm »
My experience?  Less than one percent.

The percentage rises significantly as unclassified data is combined with other unclassified data to create classified data. 
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