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Robb

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« Reply #3120 on: March 28, 2020, 08:59:27 am »
I readily call out Trump for his stupidity. I didn't notice anyone here complaining about Pelosi nearly derailing the bill by putting  every pork project from the dem wish list into it to try to press that agenda during a time of crisis. She and Schumer are every bit as deplorable  as Trump.

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« Reply #3121 on: March 28, 2020, 09:06:46 am »
And the failing here is shared by all.  After H1N1 the Obama admin was told to replace the 100 million masks used from the national stockpile. They didn't do it.  https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/25/after-last-pandemic-task-force-advised-obama-to-avert-shortage-of-masks/  The Trump admin didn't either.  My guess is,  future admins will take this stuff seriously.

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« Reply #3122 on: March 28, 2020, 09:47:53 am »
I readily call out Trump for his stupidity. I didn't notice anyone here complaining about Pelosi nearly derailing the bill by putting  every pork project from the dem wish list into it to try to press that agenda during a time of crisis. She and Schumer are every bit as deplorable  as Trump.

You still will vote for him so go **** yourself.
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ticohans

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« Reply #3123 on: March 28, 2020, 10:34:27 am »
Robb, your continual whataboutism with Obama is beneath you. The both-sides-ism is childish. And the notion that “Pelosi nearly derail[ed] the bill by putting every pork project from the dem wish list into it” is either complete and total ignorance due to being lost in the delusional right-wing hive mind, or it’s a blatant lie. No such thing is even remotely close to the faintest shadow of the truth. Are you really this far gone? Are you this lost to reality and objective fact? I have sincerely thought for quite some time that you are better than this.

No, this failing is not shared by all, not in the way you mean it, not even close. Who is the president? Who has been the president for over 3 years? Give an unqualified, no-excuses answer to that question and sit with it for a while. Really think about what that means in terms of responsibility. Be an adult, and do not devolve into the childish blame shifting, obfuscation, and projection of Trump.

If you can do that, perhaps we can walk through some of the history here, but I’m not wasting my time or energy on this discussion unless you can come to a baseline level of objectivity.

This bullshit has got to stop.
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Robb

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« Reply #3124 on: March 28, 2020, 11:29:35 am »
Tico, you continue to miss my point either willfully or ignorantly. I doubt the latter of you so I'll assume the first. My point has been and continues to be that both sides are at fault, both sides make mistakes, both sides are out for their own self interest, both sides are corrupt. I readily admit that. Why can't you?

Speaking of bullshit, please explain how Pelosi trying to insert any of the following into the bill is not pork:

1. Restructuring Corporate Boards - Aid Recipients Must Allow Labor to Appoint One-Third of Corporate Board Members
In other words, if companies accept aid from the federal government at a moment when, because of a completely unforeseeable global catastrophe, demand has cratered in response to a lethal pandemic, the House bill would force them to completely upend their boards of directors to no conceivable end other than the fulfillment of a longstanding progressive wish

2.Requiring States to Allow Same-Day Voter Registration

Amending the Help America Vote Act to Require States to Accommodate Same-Day Registrants

Requiring states to allow same day voter registration helps stave off the pandemic how?

3. Deinstitutionalization

Reauthorization of Money Follows the Person

This is controversial measure that has to do with forcing some in long term care into group home settings. Whether you like this or not it has nothing to do with the pandemic and should be debated on its own merits.

4.  Environmental Regulations

Grant Program for “Sustainable Aviation Fuel”

The Transportation secretary would be given the power to disburse grant monies based upon the “potential greenhouse gases emitted from” an applicant’s project and the “potential the project has in reducing United States greenhouse gas emissions associated with air travel.” Two hundred million dollars would be appropriated annually to the grant program.  And this will help alleviate the effects of the pandemic how?

5. Mandatory Carbon Offsets for Airlines

Every airline receiving federal aid would be required to “fully offset [its] annual carbon emissions [from] domestic flights beginning in 2025.” 

6. 25 Million to the Kennedy Arts Center

I could go on, that isn't the entire list. Can you defend any of those provisions in a Corona Virus relief bill? Do you not acknowledge the cynicism, the opportunism, the immorality of such an act at such a time? If not I don't know what to say to you. Perhaps it's Trump's fault?

I am against corporate bailouts, I am against running up large deficits so the government can be everything to everyone in order for politicians to win votes. Both sides do this. Both sides are reprehensible and without principal collectively. There are individuals who buck that trend but they are swallowed up by the swamp. Why is this such an affront to you Tico? This is indeed a failing shared by all. The mayor of New Orleans blamed Trump for not shutting down Mardi Gras. Really? The NY city health commissioner was out telling New Yorkers to go out and go to restaurants, that everything was fine and under control, that the city was prepared for this less than a month ago. Trump's fault?

Finally, I have to chuckle at being told to be an adult when nearly every comment you make in this thread involves a tantrum. Perhaps some introspection is in order. I very seldom devolve into name calling here, I try to keep my arguments dispassionate and reasoned. Sometimes I fail, admittedly, but nearly every post you make with someone who disagrees with you devolves into heated emotional rhetoric demanding capitulation or the offender is deemed childish, an obfuscator and a projection of Trump, to use your own words from your last post.

How about you take a deep breath, understand at least half the country disagrees with you, no matter the demographics of this board, and try to understand their legitimate reasons for doing so. I believe I can see where liberals are coming from. i do not question their motives, their religion, their character or their maturity, I simply disagree with their philosophy of government. Is that still okay in this country?








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« Reply #3125 on: March 28, 2020, 01:03:09 pm »
Kennedy Art Center is now not going to pay their musicians after getting the money. Is it possible the money gets redirected to something better? 

There is going to be plenty of blame to go around to both parties, but that doesn’t excuse President Trump for acting like a toddler durning press conferences and being generally useless to harmful during this.  I can’t imagine being Dr Fauci or Dr Brix and having to stroke President Trump ego to keep him from doing stupid crap. I guess this is why I’m not built for politics.

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« Reply #3126 on: March 28, 2020, 05:01:37 pm »
I agree, I wish he would stop showing up for the press conferences. Let the doctors handle it. They both come across as competent.

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« Reply #3127 on: March 29, 2020, 08:48:55 am »
The quantity of disinformation that Trump has spread on this issue... is breath taking. There are people in the country who now listen to science as a matter of the presidents "gut" instinct.  If his gut doesnt agree its obviously fake news and nothing to we need worry.

Look at the difference in response in S. Korea to our dear leader... the two countries reported their first case a day apart in January. 2 months later we're in the middle of a terrible sci fi movie, and they see day light.
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« Reply #3128 on: March 29, 2020, 03:59:46 pm »
I do hope that whoever wins the white house this fall does the right thing and takes a look back and studies all the things done wrong and prepares the country for the next pandemic. With globalization and for other reasons I believe this is just the first volley. Figure this stuff out, take it seriously, create policies that can quickly respond and don't let it return to a backburner issue. Use this time of heightened awareness to focus on lessons learned.

Americans need to become more self sufficient, have a supply of food and water and essentials including an emergency fund instead of spending every dollar they make. I hope we emerge from this wiser as a country and government. I suppose finger pointing will be inevitable, but more important to me is the need to learn from it.
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« Reply #3129 on: March 29, 2020, 04:02:51 pm »
I do hope that whoever wins the white house this fall does the right thing and takes a look back and studies all the things done wrong and prepares the country for the next pandemic. With globalization and for other reasons I believe this is just the first volley. Figure this stuff out, take it seriously, create policies that can quickly respond and don't let it return to a backburner issue. Use this time of heightened awareness to focus on lessons learned.

Americans need to become more self sufficient, have a supply of food and water and essentials including an emergency fund instead of spending every dollar they make. I hope we emerge from this wiser as a country and government. I suppose finger pointing will be inevitable, but more important to me is the need to learn from it.

You’d better hope Biden wins.
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« Reply #3130 on: March 29, 2020, 07:23:22 pm »
Hey Robb, I see and appreciate that you responded to my previous post. Been a very busy few days for me. Just calling out that I'm not ignoring you and plan on responding thoughtfully.

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« Reply #3133 on: March 31, 2020, 08:20:56 am »
He did revamp his factory to make 50,000 masks a day so maybe that's why he was featured. Our country was founded on a belief in God. Why are his words so terrifying? 

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« Reply #3134 on: March 31, 2020, 08:31:40 am »
Are you a parody account like Ken M? I can’t tell if you’re just taking the **** or not. Hoping the guy regularly caping for a racist shithead demagogue as president and who repeatedly has stated homosexuality is a “lifestyle” is just trolling. But maybe the it’s the cult you belong to and you actually believe that the MyPillow Guy should be holding court in the Rose Garden to announce that Donald F’n Trump was a gift from God during a pandemic crisis that is taking hundreds of thousands of lives daily.

And spare me your no civility act. You writing tomes trying to both sides everything is disgusting. I will point that out every time.
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