Author Topic: The Bleachers  (Read 113379 times)

Playtwo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8821
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3870 on: October 25, 2022, 03:01:25 pm »
I'm not sure why a team winning a marathon game is the "right" team and one able to perform better with a man on second and nobody out is the "wrong" team.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2022, 04:19:31 pm by Playtwo »

CurtOne

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27369
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3871 on: October 25, 2022, 03:11:55 pm »
Does that mean that the "wrong" team won in 1945, 1966, 1983?  I'm a traditionalist.  I'd like to think an "earned" victory in the past is equal to one today, but the rules today are negating that.  Let's move the fences in another 100 ft. and then claim the new home run record is equal to Judge's.   Let's allow aluminum bats and then claim the game's the same.   Let's move first base five feet closer to home. 

You change the rules, you change results.   People forget that first and third base umpires did not call checked swings years ago.  The plate umpire had to decide without help. 

brjones

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 25895
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3872 on: October 25, 2022, 03:22:47 pm »
The most annoying thing about the automatic runner (or zombie runner, or Manfred man...pick your favorite term) is that people call it a "ghost runner." It is clearly not a ghost runner because there is a physical person on base. By definition, a ghost runner is an imaginary runner used by kids when they don't have enough players to fill out a full team.

JeffH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6190
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3873 on: October 25, 2022, 03:24:18 pm »
That's not even close to being the most annoying thing about it.

Playtwo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8821
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3874 on: October 25, 2022, 04:21:03 pm »
I'm generally a "traditionalist" when it comes to baseball, but I have really enjoyed the immediate tension that the runner on second provides in extra inning games.

Bennett

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7414
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3875 on: October 25, 2022, 04:46:49 pm »
I would like to be against the 10th inning rule but since the only way I can watch a game now is to record it and then zap the commercials, I'll reluctantly accept almost anything that shortens games.

dogstoothe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1170
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3876 on: October 25, 2022, 05:07:46 pm »
I see what you mean PT, but it just doesn’t seem right in the WS.  Two reasons, 1. All baseball fans are familiar and have seen many extra inning games. If a WS game went 13 innings would anyone here complain?  Let’s say like the seventh game?  No.  But this is baseball — you don’t get on second base unless you hit a double or reach first and steal or an error, etc.   You don’t just get to start off at second  base without earning it.  2. Well, I forgot number two, but it had something to do with the team that wins because of the ghost runner won’t really feel like they earned the win.  You know?

Bennett

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7414
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3877 on: October 26, 2022, 03:17:38 pm »
No US-born Black players on expected World Series rosters

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=34882944

Jason Heyward identified a good portion of the problem a couple years ago when he told Len Kasper that college baseball players usually get only ¼ or ⅓ of a scholarship.

Dave23

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12749
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3878 on: October 26, 2022, 05:04:42 pm »
It starts before that.

While it’s somewhat true that if you have the talent, you’ll be found no matter what…the fact remains that travel baseball is expensive, as are private hitting/pitching lessons and showcases.
Agree Agree x 1 View List

CurtOne

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27369
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3879 on: October 26, 2022, 05:08:32 pm »
Agree, plus when a black kid gets a huge bonus to skip college, they jump at it.
Funny Funny x 1 View List

Bennett

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7414
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3880 on: October 26, 2022, 05:21:21 pm »
As is often the case, "all of the above" is the correct answer

davep

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15895
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3881 on: October 26, 2022, 06:24:56 pm »
No US-born Black players on expected World Series rosters

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=34882944


Math has never been my strong suit, so please check the figures to ensure no mistakes have been made.  But let’s assume that distribution is truly random. 

If so – there are 25 players per MLB team, and 30 teams, which means that there are 750 MLB players

On the Cubs 25 man roster ending the season, there were 11 players who were not born in the United States.  If you feel that that is not typical, I would be interested in the actual numbers.  But if it is typical, that means that 56%, or about 420 MLB players are born in the United States.

Blacks make up about 14 percent of the United States population, so we would expect that a random distribution would give us 58 players who would be black players born in the United states.

Divided equally between teams, each team would be expected to have 1.96 U.S. born black players.  Since fractional players are not possible, let’s round up to 2 players per team.

But there is no reason to believe that United States born black players would be distributed anything other than randomly among the teams, which means that some teams would have more than 2 and some less than 2, with some even having 0 United States born black players.  (I will let those with greater math skills than I to determine the odds of two teams ending up with 0 players facing each other in the World Series), but in light of the small sample size (1 year), I suspect that, while unusual, it is not likely to be anything other than random.

I would greatly appreciate a more rigorous mathematical examination if anyone is capable or interested.

JeffH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6190
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3882 on: October 26, 2022, 06:31:25 pm »
there are 25 players per MLB team

26.  Let this be my contribution to any subsequent analysis.

davep

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15895
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3883 on: October 26, 2022, 06:52:07 pm »
As I said, math is not my strong suit.

And, like CurtOne, I live in the past.  (Although MY past is mostly the 20th and 21st centuries).

CurtOne

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27369
Re: The Bleachers
« Reply #3884 on: October 26, 2022, 07:23:48 pm »
When davep was a kid the rosters were set at 9.