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Title: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on September 10, 2015, 10:09:56 am
Yes...yes, they do...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on September 10, 2015, 11:22:05 am
This should just be called the vic thread.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2015, 02:34:29 pm
Receiver Randall Cobb returned to practice Wednesday as a limited participant 11 days after injuring his shoulder in an exhibition game against the
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2015, 02:35:36 pm
Packers front line back together again
 For the first time in nearly a month - 27 days to be exact - the Green Bay Packers took the field with their starting offensive line intact.
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2015, 02:51:03 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2015/09/09/green-bay-packers-figuring-da-bears/2/

Ancient games.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2015, 07:56:48 pm
http://wgnradio.com/2015/09/10/jp-presser-jarrett-paytons-letter-to-the-head-coach-of-the-team-from-wisconsin/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2015, 11:48:50 pm
Well, it really wasn't in public.   He said it in front of a group of  GB fans.  I don't think that it was really outrageous to make the statement under those circumstances,, but somebody got hold of the statement and got it published.

I think it is really whiney to play that up as the poor little kid who is crushed by that.  I say "grow up".  Maybe he ought to follow a more gentle sport, like needlework.

Bears won't  win because of that comment. If they win  it will be because the Bears outplay GB.  Could happen with the injuries and penalized GB players and very great rivalry.

Loved his father.   Don't care for the kid if he really wrote that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 12:03:42 am
Tom Brady: a whiny cheater.  Now he acts like he was mistreated and really is a good, straight arrow.  LMAO.  Go ahead, cheater.  Maybe a judge will get you off, again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 05:09:38 pm
Packers must plan for athletic Martellus Bennett
 From Tony Gonzalez to Antonio Gates to Jimmy Graham to Julius Thomas, the trend lives on, and Sunday the Green Bay Packers will face another former basketball standout in Martellus Bennett of the Chicago Bears.
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 05:24:46 pm
Injury News

Morgan Burnett looking iffy for Sunday

In a secondary that is suddenly overflowing with youth, the Packers really need to have a veteran presence to hold it all together.  So knowing safety Morgan Burnett may not play due to a nagging calf injury is not the news they want to hear.  Not only the most experienced defensive back they have, heís also a key part of their run defense (+10.1 PFF rating in 2014).





Alshon Jeffery progressing well

Having been declared ďday-to-dayĒ for three weeks, it was heartening for the Bears to see their best wide receiver in Alshon Jeffery back on the field.  Without him, the passing offense has struggled to get anything going.  Recent indications are his own calf problem is healing well and odds are good he should be able to play barring a setback.

Key Matchups

Randall Cobb vs. Kyle Fuller

Few players on the Packers roster have given the Bears fits more than Randall Cobb.  The speedy Packers receiver has basically had his way with them the past couple years.  So far nobody has stepped up to stop him.  All eyes are now fixed on second-year corner Kyle Fuller.  A 1st round pick last season, heís expected to take on a big role this year.  Cobb will be his first assignment.

How each performs will greatly determine the outcome.

Packers LBs vs. Matt Forte

Two key defensive linemen in Letroy Guion and Datone Jones will be out for the game due to suspension.  That leaves the Packers front awfully thin, and the burden of stopping the run even heavier on their linebackers.  Matt Forte has really given them problems at Soldier Field the past two years.  Mistakes can be ill-afforded with the added issues in the secondary.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2015, 06:09:57 pm

Packers will load up to stop Forte and force Cutler into obvious passing situations where they've had success in the past.  Bears need a healthy Jeffery to even stand a chance...sounds like he can now run but I have no idea what his real problem was.  And it would be nice to see Marques Wilson step up - he was hugely disappointing last season.  They say he is 6-4 but he plays smaller. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of Jacquizz Rodgers and Jeremy Langford get into the mix - maybe our O-line can do something going against a somewhat depleted Packer front.

I hope Long is STARTS at RT - and I don't care who is at guard.  I'd even take Leno.  Just don't start him at RT.  Either way it looks like a conservative passing offense with short passes to Royal and Bennett and I just don't know if Jeffery is ready to go deep. 

Defensively, I think the Bears will pressure Rodgers.  But that doesn't mean our DBs will be able to cover anybody.  And I don't know if our front seven can stop Lacy consistently.  Alan Ball, Antrell Rolle, Adrian Amos and Kyle Fuller - cover somebody!

Prediction:  Bears have nothing to lose - play aggressive and who knows what happens.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2015, 06:30:19 pm
Packers are going to kill them. If we had all of our receivers healthy including White we might have a chance.  With no deep threat and a bunch of rookies and gimpy receivers no way. 

Get after Rodgers and ****.  I would rather they lose by 30 and put Rodgers in the dirt multiple times then let him sit back there and pick them apart and lose by 17.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 11, 2015, 06:34:32 pm
Amen agree.  Let's blitz, blitz and blitz some more.  Go out swinging.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2015, 07:56:17 pm
http://sportsmockery.com/2015/09/chicago-bears-player-hilariously-ruins-the-packers-owning-wisconsin-myth/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2015, 08:08:49 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25298477/matt-forte-is-selling-more-jerseys-in-wisconsin-than-aaron-rodgers
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2015, 08:10:32 pm
I am going to go with the all the Packer fans already own a Rodgers Jersey thing.  Still it is surprising.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:29:08 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25298477/matt-forte-is-selling-more-jerseys-in-wisconsin-than-aaron-rodgers

That's pretty shocking.  I wish that they had the comparative numbers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:45:03 pm
Joe from Bloomington, IN

ďI think itíll be a clash of the Packersí balance between run and pass vs. the Bearsí ability to impose their will with the run.Ē Vic, without Datone Jones and Letroy Guion, do you think conditioning might play a factor in stopping the run later in the game?

Yes, and thatís why I believe time of possession will be important on Sunday, especially in a season opener, when players will be seeing their first full-game action.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:46:41 pm
Matt from Lincoln City, OR

Who is the player to watch on Chicagoís defense?

Pernell McPhee is Vic Fangioís Aldon Smith, Lamar Lathon or Kevin Greene, Pat Swilling. Typical of a 3-4 coordinator, they almost always have a star linebacker. McPhee was signed in free agency to be that star linebacker.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:48:16 pm
Dan from Houston, TX

Thanks for ending the preseason, Vic. Whatís going to happen this weekend?

Two rivals are going to come at each other with everything they have. The Packers are intent on a fast start. The Bears are intent on taking the first step in rebuilding. I expect each team to be committed to running the ball and controlling the clock, because thatís the best way to stop the run, especially in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Itís supposed to be sunny and 70 in Chicago on Sunday. Thatís not hot, but the sun stays high in the sky at this time of the year, and I think the Packers will draw from their experience in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago. Aaron Rodgers is usually the difference-maker for the Packers, and I expect him to be the difference-maker this Sunday, but winning this game begins with stopping the run.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:50:25 pm
Carrie from San Jose, CA

Iíve greatly enjoyed reading the column through the offseason, but Iím ready to stop reading about practice and player evaluations and start reading about games.

Iím ready to begin writing about games again. I donít know what happened to cause such scrutiny of the 53rd roster spot this year, but Iíve never seen the sensitivity for final cuts as acute as it was this year. If you want those guys back, go get them. They usually remain available to the teams that released them. Does everyone understand the Packers got a compensatory pick for losing James Jones in free agency, and then got Jones back a year later? Now, the Packers have Jones and the pick. That should instill great confidence in the Packersí personnel department and the teamís philosophy for managing its roster.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:51:45 pm
Caleb from Eau Claire, WI

Vic, do you view Matt Forte as more of a threat running the ball, or catching it out of the backfield?

Iím more concerned about him as a runner because you can scheme to stop him as a pass-catcher, but if heís gashing you between the tackles, youíre getting whipped up front and itís difficult to scheme that without committing more people to the line of scrimmage.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:52:35 pm
Cris from Sachse, TX

Vic, when can we start worrying about Richard Sherman?

Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:53:44 pm
Tyler from Orlando, FL

Vic, I donít understand how players can choose to hold out and not play in games. Arenít these players under a contract to play? Why canít the Seahawks just sue and force Kam Chancellor to play?

Maybe Judge Berman can rule on that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:56:42 pm
Matt from Madison, WI

Do you agree todayís college quarterbacks arenít as prepared for the NFL as those of the past? This reminds me of something you said about, I believe, Terrelle Pryor. It seems like the best college quarterbacks are really just the best athletes, but that doesnít always translate to quarterbacking skills in the NFL once the athleticism of all players starts to level out.

I remember Mike McCarthy commenting a few years ago on how much more prepared quarterbacks are coming out of college nowadays. Hey, Coach McCarthy is an expert on quarterbacks Ė I am in awe of what heís done with Scott Tolzien and Brett Hundley Ė but I thought to myself, ďCoach, I completely disagree.Ē I watched college games last weekend and the play I saw nearly every team run over and over was what I call the drop-back-and-run play. The ball was snapped to the quarterback, he hesitated one count and then ran with it. Thatís grooming? Itís tragic a player of Pryorís overwhelming athletic ability is struggling to find a place in the NFL. Heís one of the best athletes I have ever seen, and I canít help but wonder what a player of his talents could become if a team committed to his development. Thatís why I favor an increase in practice-squad roster sizes and emphasis. Thatís the developmental league we need. I favor a roster of 20 practice-squad players, new rules governing the movement of its players, and a separate coaching staff for the practice squad. I donít think the NFL can count on college football to provide game-ready talent any longer. College football is facing too many limitations of its own.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:58:49 pm
Nolan from West Salem, WI

Vic, who do you think will be the kickoff returner come Sunday?

Ron Zook said itíll be Ty Montgomery.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 08:59:55 pm
Craig from Brookfield, WI

I get that we should not look past the Bears. This game has me nervous! But would Coach Vic consider holding Cobb out, even if he could play, for a few series and see how the game goes? If weíre in control from the start, Cobb rests for another week. If we are not in control after, say, a quarter, Cobb goes in.

That kind of ambivalent approach doesnít work; it lacks commitment. If the doctor says the player can go, itís go time. Managing pain is what a true pro does, and Cobb is a true pro.

So, not  all Packer fans are confident playing the Bears.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 09:01:18 pm
Chris from Superior, WI

My high school teacher said if the Packers go 2-14 in a season and those two wins are against the Bears, it was a good year.

Your high school teacher is wrong. You know, my inbox is full of this kind of rivalry talk. I can almost hear Frank Broyles saying, ďItís a border war, Keith.Ē I get the feeling this is supposed to be the pro football version of Florida-Georgia, but whereís the cocktail party, if you know what I mean? Iím still new to this rivalry. Maybe this is the year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 09:03:10 pm
Paula from Anaheim, CA

How can the Packers improve this year as a team? In your answer you wrote, ďBe as good as last yearís team; thatíll be good enough. And then finish.Ē First, how could you possibly be satisfied with a team that isnít constantly striving to improve? Good enough isnít! You can always get better. Every player, every coach, every columnist and every guy who sells popcorn should have a goal to improve every single day. If they do this, they have strengthened their chances of finishing. If they donít, finishing is a matter of luck. Alen wrote a question that sincerely and reasonably asked for your opinion on a topic within your area of expertise. Your answer looks as though you were unable to think of a way the Packers can improve, or didnít want to take the trouble of providing a clear analysis. I enjoy the column and your wit, but this response was humorless and lazy and not consistent with your usual excellence. Thank you.

Little nervous, huh?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 09:06:03 pm
Andy from Cologne, Germany

Vic, you watched Mike Tomlinís press conference? Headset problems? This never gets old.

I was in bed long before the conclusion of the game, but I couldnít stop laughing in the first half when Al Michaels let it be known to the TV audience the Steelers coaches were listening to the Patriotsí radio broadcast of the game.  As soon as I saw league people scrambling behind the Steelersí bench, I knew it was the headsets. I had long been writing about this issue in this column. This is nothing new to me. Itís just now itís humorous. Get ready for ďHeadsetgate.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2015, 11:15:08 pm
Top Selling Jerseys>>

1. Odell Beckham Jr.


2. Marcus Mariota


3. Tom Brady


4. Colin Kaepernick


5. Aaron Rodgers


6. Dez Bryant


7. Russell Wilson


8. Jameis Winston


9. Demarco Murray


10. Rob Gronkowski


11. J.J. Watt


12. Peyton Manning


13. Andrew Luck


14. Derek Carr


15. Jason Witten


16. Tim Tebow


17. Ndamukong Suh


18. Kam Chancellor


19. Khalil Mack


20. Marshawn Lynch


21. Teddy Bridgewater


22. 12th Fan


23. Ryan Tannehill


24. Tony Romo


25. Joe Haden
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2015, 11:58:18 pm
It was Dick's Sporting Good's Packrat.  Relax it was one store your Packers do sell plenty of jerseys.

They are also almost as hated as the Patriots around the country.  Except in Illinois where they are the most hated football team ever! 

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 11:51:58 am
Thanks for that, Peke.  I wondered if something strange was happening there.    ;-)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 11:52:44 am
http://lombardiave.com/2015/09/11/one-one-bear-goggles/2/

Bears Goggles On interview.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 04:33:44 pm
Kevin from Dubuque, IA

Bears week mean anything to you?

I think Iím guilty of trying to make it mean something to me before I experienced it. In other words, I went to cover my first Packers-Bears game with unrealistic expectations. I was underwhelmed. I was expecting ďWar of the WorldsĒ and what I got was a football game. The two games in 2013 gave me the tingle I was seeking. Last year, the tingle went away. Weíll see what happens on Sunday.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 04:36:00 pm
Kaare from Odense, Denmark

Do the Packers have any defensive players that intimidate opponents? I donít see a Ray Lewis kind of presence on the team.

In 44 years of covering the NFL, Iíve only covered three players I would refer to as having been truly physically intimidating. In a game played by the worldís most elite physical specimens, the kind of player you seek doesnít come along very often.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 04:39:53 pm
Doug from Mitchell, OR

Vic, when trying to stop the run, how many yards is a fair amount allowed and still getting the job done?

You donít need stats to make that determination. What did Justice Stewart say? Youíll know it when you see it. A defense will know it when it feels it, because thereís an unmistakable feeling of accomplishment when a defense whips its opponent up front and denies rushing yardage. A quarterback scramble can make the stats lie, but neither the tape nor the smile on a defenseís face lies. When you whip your man you donít need to look at the stats. If the Packers defense walks off the field on Sunday knowing it whipped its man, weíll all have a smile on our face.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 04:41:54 pm
Tony from Burbank, CA

Vic, Iíve turned the page and look forward to enjoying the new season. The baloney stops now.

I invite everyone in the ďAsk VicĒ family to join me on Sunday as the kicker raises his right arm Ė do kickers still do that? Ė and I whisper to myself, ďThe baloney stops now,Ē except I wonít say baloney. The start of another season thrills me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2015, 05:36:04 pm


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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on September 13, 2015, 12:08:56 pm
Buttpackers and their crap D are going DOWN!!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on September 13, 2015, 02:24:16 pm
Forte owns the Peckers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on September 13, 2015, 07:20:05 pm
Rodgers owning the bears is better.


13-3

What record does forte' have?

Maybe same as the cutter?

1-12?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 13, 2015, 10:03:37 pm
The Bears clearly  played much better under Fox than before; especially Butler.

GB MUST eliminate all those penalties.

Bless Jones.  So good to have him back.

Well fought game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 13, 2015, 10:06:23 pm
Once again, never bet on the spread in a Chi-GB game.

Packers' run D: same old, same old. ;-(

STs improving.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 13, 2015, 10:20:35 pm
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/51/files/2015/09/james-jones-aaron-rodgers-nfl-preseason-oakland-raiders-green-bay-packers.jpg)

Welcome home, old buddy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 12:39:03 pm
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/51/files/2015/09/john-fox-mike-mccarthy-nfl-green-bay-packers-chicago-bears2.jpg)

Bears finally get a good HC.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearHit on September 14, 2015, 01:52:47 pm
Saw Rodgers and Cutler chatting amicably after the game too
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on September 14, 2015, 04:32:15 pm
Peckers D is a mess. Bears had 402 yards....if not for Cutler this would have been a W for da Bears.

it will be a long season for the Peckers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:07:40 pm
Carl from Queensbury, NY

At what point do we come to terms with a need for a different defensive coordinator?

Yours is the first question I saw when I opened my inbox today. I had to push back from my desk and gather myself. After I did, I felt sorry for you that you could so totally miss the mark on your analysis of and lack of appreciation for what happened at Soldier Field on Sunday. What you witnessed was a masterful performance by a defensive coordinator that was without two of his starting defensive linemen and his best run-defending safety. Also, his true, run-stuffing middle linebacker re-injured his ankle early in the game. Against a Bears team determined to run the ball with one of the best backs in the league, and compounding matters by forcing the Packers into nickel by spreading the field with three and four-wide receiver sets, Dom Capers found a way to hold the Bears to 16 points (the other seven were scored after the fact). Iím sorry you missed the game.


I certainly missed that.  I wonder if others caught it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:09:13 pm
Steve from Ramsgate, England

How is it possible for James Jones to just pick up where he left off?

He has the eye and ear of a great quarterback.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:10:45 pm
Paul from De Pere, WI

Will Morgan Burnett help shore up the run defense?

The Packers need him back. Yesterday, the Packers played a lot of two-down-linemen nickel. When you try to stop the run with two down linemen, youíre counting on the linebackers and safeties to do the job. The Packers missed Burnett.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:12:20 pm
JÝrgen from Trondheim, Norway

Vic, what would you look for in an elite LB and RB?

Elite players donít come off the field. They can do it all. Clay Matthews is an elite linebacker because he can stop the run and defend against the pass. Heís not a two-down or one-down player. Eddie Lacy became an elite running back last season when he became a feared pass receiver. His one-handed catch yesterday is another example of how heís taken his game to another level. Lacy can pound you between the tackles or beat you catching the ball in the flat.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:14:49 pm
Mike from Saskatoon, Canada

Was Forteís lack of yardage in the second half an adjustment by the defense, the Bears needing to get points and switching to the pass, or a mix of both?

Mike McCarthy made vague reference to an adjustment the Packers made at halftime that was more about advising the players how to do it than it was about a scheme change, but I also think the Bears quit on the run in the second half. On second-and-goal at the Packers 2-yard line, the Bears threw three consecutive incompletions. I sensed some panic in the Bearsí play-calling after the Packers took an eight-point lead.


That answers some questions that I had.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:15:47 pm
Josh from Pullman, WA

Going into the game, I wasnít worried about anything. Now the game is over and Iím still not worried about anything. As you say, the Packers have ďThe ManĒ and if they keep him healthy, theyíre set up for another deep run at a championship.

I think thatís an astute evaluation of where the Packers are after one game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:17:42 pm
Jerry from Puyallup, WA

How much worry is in your inbox this morning? I think it was a great win but I keep hearing otherwise.

Donít listen to otherwise. Itís a great win for the Packers because the circumstances surrounding yesterdayís game made it a daunting challenge for the Packers. The Bears had all training camp to prepare for that game, and Vic Fangio did some very creative things on defense to give Aaron Rodgers pass-coverage looks that still kept the box loaded with run-defenders. When I first looked at the schedule last spring, I thought to myself, ďUh, oh.Ē The schedule-maker had bad thoughts when he scheduled that game. The Packers are 1-0 in the division. Itís reason to rejoice.


Much improved Bears' staff.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:21:55 pm
Steveo from Scranton, PA

Iím sure the irony of the opening game coming down to another onside kick didnít escape you. Same exact location, with Adams in for Jordy. When the Packers recovered, it was as if the football gods said, ďTurn the page, itís a new season.Ē

I thought to myself: If only they had done that in Seattle last January.


The guy responsible for that fiasco was cut by GB, signed  by Minn and cut by Minn.  Short career when you don't follow instructions.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:23:36 pm
Blaine from Elmwood, WI

How about Tony Romo? ďIt always comes down to the final eight minutes, and either youíre comfortable with that or youíre not.Ē Can you think of any better way youíve heard a pro sum up the concept of crunch time?

Heís right. If you canít get it done at crunch time, donít tell me about the stats. It was as though a horn sounded in the fourth quarter at Soldier Field on Sunday. Rodgers became a better quarterback. He took his offense right down the field and scored. Jay Cutler threw three consecutive incompletions from the 2-yard line, and then threw a game-changing interception on the next drive. The tale of those two quarterbacks at crunch time is the difference in the game. If you wanna tell me about stats, tell me about the stats at crunch time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:25:15 pm
Justin from Janesville, WI

James Jones is exactly what the Packers were missing in the red zone.

Itís a young manís game, but this was one of those rare occasions when the Packers needed to get older. They needed a veteran receiver that could step into the offense and contribute immediately. As Iíve written, Jones was a godsend for this football team. It was a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2015, 08:52:26 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Montgomery-Felt-good-not-satisfied/64ab6816-e806-44c7-bb0f-dd861f0b410d

Montgomery building a new tradition in GB return game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 14, 2015, 09:33:31 pm
Packrat a couple things.

Fox said the reason the Bears did not run from the 3 was because the Packers had the box stacked to stop the run. 

Another thing is the Packers forced the Bears into nickel defense the entire game due to the spread offense and number of receivers.  This kept them out of the 3-4 for the majority of the game. 

I suspect the Packers will do this to a lot of teams since they have Rodgers and Lacey.  Having a good RB and a great QB gives an offense so many options.  The Packers have a fantastic offense their defense is mediocre at best.  Lose Rodgers and the Packers are the worst team in the league. 

If the Bears lose Cutler they might improve.   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 15, 2015, 05:35:40 am
Rodgers really is the difference for the Packers.  As long as he is on top of his game and healthy, they will be at worst average.  Packer fans are extremely spoiled.  It will be interesting once Rodgers retires.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on September 15, 2015, 08:50:21 am

Brady is about 38 so that could mean another 6 or 7  years of Rodgers.

I know we have a lot of holes but a good pass rush would help slow down Rodgers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 10:24:31 pm
Packrat a couple things.

Fox said the reason the Bears did not run from the 3 was because the Packers had the box stacked to stop the run. 

Another thing is the Packers forced the Bears into nickel defense the entire game due to the spread offense and number of receivers.  This kept them out of the 3-4 for the majority of the game. 

I suspect the Packers will do this to a lot of teams since they have Rodgers and Lacey.  Having a good RB and a great QB gives an offense so many options.  The Packers have a fantastic offense their defense is mediocre at best.  Lose Rodgers and the Packers are the worst team in the league. 

If the Bears lose Cutler they might improve.   

Good observations, Peke. You and dallas  both picked up several good points.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 10:43:35 pm
The Bears played very well.  I expect them to play even better as the season wears on and the players mesh with a good coaching staff.  That game will become tougher for GB in the future.  I'm enjoying this while I can.

I also expect the GB defense to play better when Guion, Sean Richardson, and Sam Barrington are  back in the lineup and the young DBs gain some experience.  A  fast start is not nearly as important as a strong finish.

Before long, we will be enjoying the good old days of Chi-GB blood-baths.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 10:52:41 pm
Posted by Zac Jackson on September 15, 2015, 4:24 PM EDT

Sam Barrington
AP

Third-year Packers linebacker Sam Barrington could be lost for the season with an ankle injury he apparently aggravated in last weekendís season opener. Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com was first to report that the Packers fear Barrington is done for the season...

Crap.  What next?  Jake Ryan better learn fast.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 10:54:47 pm
Jason from Austin, TX

Vic, Iíll take a hard-fought victory over a clean loss any day of the week. Especially when you consider it was against a division rival on the road. Thatís a good win. Our defense had a fantastic game. If you remove that offside penalty on the field goal, the Bears would have only had 19 points.

It was something less than fantastic, but more than acceptable. In todayís game, if youíve held the opposing quarterback to a 67.5 passer rating, youíve accomplished something. That game was a potential schedule-makerís ambush, and the Packers got out of Dodge with a win. Thatís good enough for me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:01:12 pm
Benjamin from Bear, DE

Iím guessing teams feed the press on Sundays. Howís the food at Lambeau compared to spreads offered at other stadiums?

Lambeau Fieldís press box is in the top five. Soldier Field might lead the league in friendliness. Everywhere you go, an attendant says hello and wants to talk. An elevator door opens and a Marimba band begins to play. I actually like the spaceship look, and Iíve learned to deal with the mail-slot view the press box offers. I would offer only one bit of advice: Put out a jar of peanut butter and a loaf of bread; it would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:02:53 pm
Ndamukong Suh may be a good player, but there is no room in this league for a player who insists on bullying and taking cheap shots at others. Being a great player means you should great on every down, regardless of the outcome. Your thoughts?

Iím a forgiving man.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:05:03 pm
Dave from Paddington, Australia

Vic, I'm confused. The Packers defeated the Bears, a division rival, and the Packers are the only NFC North team to record a victory, which means they are away to a fast start and they brushed off some rust, as September football often shows. How in the world is this a bad thing? After opening-day losses for several years, what is everyoneís problem?

They didnít stop the run, the tackling was sloppy, there were too many penalties and thereís concern about possibly lacking a deep threat. We must have FULL CONSISTENCY!


LMAO.  True.  GB fans ARE spoiled.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:08:05 pm


Michael from Frankfort, KY

The changes in the Packers coaching seemed to display some much-needed improvement against the Bears. Vic, do you believe based on what weíve seen and heard so far this trend will continue throughout the season?

Based on one game? Actually, I thought the Packers were pretty good last year. I thought they were the best team in the league. Iím not looking for a whole lot of improvement. Iíll gladly accept what they did last season, if theyíll promise to play a little better in the final 3:52. Folks, I think our expectations have become unrealistic. Take a look around. Do you see perfection anywhere? The Super Bowl-champion Patriots gave up a lot of rushing yards to the Steelers. The NFC-champion Seahawks are 0-1 and are dealing with a holdout by one of their best players. What team doesnít have a weakness? What fan base is without concern? I think we need to stop worrying about whatís bad and start feeling good about winning.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:10:20 pm

Adam from Wausau, WI

Would you be open to adding a fourth-quarter stat for quarterbacks?

There is a fourth-quarter stat for quarterbacks, and Aaron Rodgers is No. 5 in the league with a 126.0 fourth-quarter passer rating. Jay Cutler is No. 14 with a 77.1. That was the difference in Sundayís game.


True dat.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:13:26 pm
Travis from Chicago, IL

Vic, it seemed like the past few years Rodgers has been very conservative when it came to holding onto the ball and taking the sack. In this past game, it appeared as though he was a bit more risky about letting the ball go, one resulting in the spectacular one-handed catch from Lacy. Am I wrong in saying that?

First of all, if you put on a pair of gloves the players wear, youíd understand how not-so-fantastic one-handed catches are. Those gloves are so sticky they make that stuff Lester Hayes used look like hand lotion. Secondly, Rodgers expressed an element of regret in his postgame interview for having made that throw. He got away with it. Itís not something you want to make a habit of doing. I donít know what it is about one-handed catches and hurdling tacklers that excite people so, but they almost always create an explosion of emotion, even in the press box. When Lacy made that catch on Sunday, the press box exploded. I thought it mightíve been a delayed reaction to the pregame meal.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:19:16 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/index.html

RSS feeds
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:21:42 pm
I wouldnít worry about that, yet.

Harris from Troy, OH

Trying to find your RSS feed for Packers articles to put on my fan page site for articles that could bring people back to this site. Help me, please. Do you have an RSS for Packers articles?

Spofford says we do.

Click here for more info on RSS feeds-

http://www.packers.com/footer/rss-help.html
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:26:39 pm
Gregg from Springfield, IL

Vic, Iíve been reading the defense played in nickel and dime more often than base. If youíre primary goal is to stop the run, why wouldnít you play base more often to have three big linemen up front instead of two?

Because in todayís game, stopping the pass is more important than stopping the run. Thatís just the way it is. The old saying is you throw to score but you run to win. I donít believe thatís true anymore. I would amend that old saying to read: You throw to win and you run to throw. Those words sadden me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:31:49 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Danish-TV-broadasters-call-Packers-touchdown/6fdc2c22-6d3f-4d77-8a7f-95901afa447f

Danish broadcasters calling a GB clip.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 15, 2015, 11:34:37 pm
Barrington to IR, Jones activated


The Green Bay Packers placed LB Sam Barrington on injured reserve. The transaction was announced Tuesday by Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations Ted Thompson.

Additionally, DE Datone Jones was activated from exempt status.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:07:23 pm
Danny from Fitchburg, WI

Vic, I canít say I agree with your fourth-quarter stat for QBs because fourth-quarter passer rating is so often inflated with meaningless touchdowns. There must be a better way to quantitatively assess end-of-game performance.

There is. Use your eyes and your brain. If the touchdowns are meaningless, then it wasnít crunch time, so it doesnít count. I know when itís crunch time. I donít even have to use my eyes. I feel it in my stomach. Stats should be used to tell you what you already know.

Matt from La Crosse, WI

For the past few seasons, I have not been shy to voice my displeasure of Dom Capersí defense. I thought we played far too much zone and let the offense come to us, rather than go after them. However, after watching this past game, I am a changed man. I loved many of his called blitzes and man coverage. The problem now is poor tackling and a lack of an inside linebacker presence. Your thoughts?

He needs to call plays with better tackling and inside linebacker presence.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:11:00 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/The-Rock-Report-Next-men-up-at-ILB/3964e330-5d48-48f5-9cf9-adc7be2ff182


Is Nate Palmer "next man up'?


Who wins, Jordy or the tree?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:19:04 pm
Don from Torrington, CT

Vic, whatís the mood of the team? Any extra juice because itís Seattle, or is it just business as usual?

Seattle? I thought the Packers were playing Tampa Bay this week. You know what I mean? The revenge thing doesnít work; players just donít think that way. Theyíre focused on one thing and one thing only: doing their job. As long as they do their job, theyíll have one. Beating Seattle is meaningless to a player if he didnít do his job. Any postgame victory celebration begins with a playerís joy for having done his job. Fans see the big picture. They feel hurt and they want revenge. Itís OK to be a fan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:22:44 pm
Trevor from Uijeongbu, South Korea

Thoroughly enjoyed this win! Aaron Rodgers looked like he was having fun and toying with the defense a bit. Did you see any offensive struggles worth noting?

No. Iím sure Iíd find them if I looked hard enough, but Iím of the belief if it doesnít jump out at me, itís not worthy of worry. Nothing jumped out at me. They ran it, they threw it, they protected the quarterback. If youíre looking for more than that, youíre going to be disappointed nearly every week.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:24:22 pm
Paul from De Pere, WI

How much harder will making the playoffs be with two preferred starters lost for the season? Where is the tipping point for the Packers?

Quarterback is the tipping point. As long as heís healthy, youíre healthy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:26:46 pm
Quarterback is the tipping point. As long as heís healthy, youíre healthy.

Nathanael from Prague, Czech Republic

Vic, if you appreciate the change of the game, then why does it make you sad offenses have figured out passing the football is more productive? Love your column over tea time.

If by appreciate you mean enjoy, who said I enjoy the change of the game? I hate the change of the game. I love run-the-ball football. I miss the days of offensive lines firing out low, hard and in unison. I love road-grader football. I love to see an offense impose its will with the running game. I donít care how many defenders are in the box, block it. Donít take what they give you, take what you want. Run it down their throats. Break their spirit and bow their heads. Now you got me all fired up and wanting to get into a time machine. Donít do that again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:29:45 pm
David from Maribor, Slovenia

Marcus Mariota doesnít appear at all in the fourth-quarter passer ratings list. Isnít it better to have a QB who puts the game away in three quarters than having to rely on clutch-time heroics?

Youíre afraid of crunch time, arenít you? Youíll never be my quarterback. I want a guy who invites crunch time, instead of trying to avoid it. That put it away in three quarters stuff is for wimps. Mariota doesnít appear in the fourth-quarter passer ratings because he didnít throw enough passes to qualify, and thatís because the Titans were protecting a big lead. If you can count on that happening every week, go for it, but you canít count on that happening every week. What you can expect is having to make plays at crunch time in your pursuit of a championship, and if you have a quarterback that plays the smallest when the stakes are the biggest, you have no chance. When the fourth quarter started on Sunday, with the Packers holding the ball, I knew the game was over.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:31:41 pm
Tom from New York, NY

No worries here! I expect a thorough victory this Sunday night over the Seahawks. This game will be totally dominated by the Packers on both sides of the ball. Seattle will leave Lambeau with a bit more than just a bruised ego.

Iím expecting something more competitive than that. Iím expecting the Seahawks to come in here with their jaw set and their game plan committed to running the ball and winning the battle of the hitting. Iím expecting a Packers defense committed to that challenge, and a quarterback basking in the opportunity to put on a show for a national TV audience. Iíve never seen Aaron Rodgers shy away from the bright lights. All the great quarterbacks like the bright lights.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:34:30 pm
Nick from Long Beach, CA

With Sam Barrington out for the year, does signing Desmond Bishop make sense?

Iím not a scout. I donít know where Bishop is physically or mentally. Iím getting a lot of Bishop and Brandon Spikes in my inbox. I understand why fans turn to recognizable names, but it would make more sense to me for a team in need of a linebacker to turn to its own practice squad or to another teamís practice squad and find a young, healthy ďlionĒ whose arrow is pointing up. James Jones was an exception to the rule. He was a guy still in the game, which meant he had passed physicals and was in shape to play right away, and he was only a year removed from having played within your offense. The loss of Barrington is a challenge. The Packers personnel department will deal with it. Itís what personnel departments do.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:38:16 pm
Tom from Camarillo, CA

I wasn't surprised to see all of the Debbie Downers complain about the run defense, but did no one see the transformation McCarthy brought to special teams? Not only the excellent returns by Montgomery, but the boring fundamentals of blocking were much improved in the return game. Granted itís only one game, but McCarthy is flat out a phenomenal coach. We are blessed to have him.

He promised a better running game in 2013, a better defense in í14 and improved special teams this year. Those are the facts and if a head coach gets all the blame, itís only fair he should also get all the credit, too.


After ten years on the job , I don't think there is a better head coach around.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:39:53 pm
Scott from Advance, NC

Mama Lynch wants Seattleís play-caller fired. Dallas gives up a draft pick for a WR. What do you believe Ted Thompsonís take on this would be?

I donít know, but Iíll tell you what Iíd do if I was Darrell Bevell. Iíd send Marshawn Lynchís mother flowers with this note: Please forgive me. Sometimes a good laugh is all we need.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:42:00 pm
Tom from Sydney, Australia

Vic, what defines an exotic blitz? You always hear certain coaches associated with exotic blitzes, while everyone (including Dom Capers) blitzes with players other than linebackers. Is it just to do with the number of moving parts?

I canít think of a more exotic blitz than rushing a defensive back and dropping a nose tackle into pass coverage. Itís called a zone blitz and Coach Capers is one of its creators. A coach on that old Philadelphia Stars staff told me a guy named John Rosenberg created the zone blitz when he was on Joe Paternoís staff at Penn State. Penn State used it in that famous Fiesta Bowl national championship game against Miami, in which Penn State intercepted Vinny Testaverde five times. Rosenberg was on the Stars staff under Jim Mora in 1983. The following year, Coach Capers and Vic Fangio joined that staff. The belief is Rosenberg planted the seeds of his invention in Mora.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:43:59 pm
Neil from Milwaukee, WI

With Barrington out, do you expect to see more of Jake Ryan and Nate Palmer inside? Or might we see some use of Perry and Elliott inside?

I expect to see Palmer and Ryan replace Barrington. Nick Perry has the body for it. Jayrone Elliott has the length you usually donít associate with inside guys.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 09:54:09 pm
Nate Palmer and rookie Jake Ryan are suddenly much more prominent players as Barringtonís top replacement candidates. They face tough duty, overcoming their own inexperience to try to shore up the run defense with arguably the leagueís toughest runner in Marshawn Lynch on his way.

ďThatís what OTAs and that summer camp is about, preparing if something like this happens,Ē said Ryan, a fourth-round draft pick from Michigan. ďI feel prepared.

ďThis happened, and itís a time to step up.Ē

Matthews said one thing he likes about Ryan is he simply ďlooks like a middle linebacker when heís out there.Ē He also felt with Palmer replacing Barrington against the Bears there wasnít ďmuch of a dropoff,Ē adding that was no knock against Barrington.

ďThey need to be ready,Ē Matthews said of his two potential sidekicks in the middle of the defense...


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 10:06:58 pm
Datone Jones activated after his one game suspension.  I wish that he would exhibit that athletic talent he had as a college player.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 10:18:57 pm
No, really. As Sheil Kapadia of ESPN.com reports, Marshawn Lynch's mother (per her Facebook page) wants Darrell Bevell's head on a stick after Sunday's setback:


Too the smart azz media who wrote that's why marshawn didn't get the ball in the superbowl ,how many times did russell get sacked yesterday, Dont worry i will wait on the answer plus it was totally different at the superbowl the line was better than yesterday no blocking and to the offense caller who should have been fired yes i said it Fired !!! He is the worst play-caller ever the only reason he called that dumb azz play yesterday is to be able to justify the 1 yard that wasn't called in the superbowl ,but most fans already figured this out .were still on a mission but i know the Seahawks staff loves that play caller more than a win ,go figure ‪#‎nfldontpayme# I love this team and will stand up to anybody who tries to destroy it boom!!!!
.

Oy vey!


Ah, Facebook. Killing grammar one post at a time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 10:22:40 pm
Stay home, Chancellor.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 10:23:37 pm
This game Seattle has only 11 players on the field.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 10:29:08 pm
(http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2015/0913/ap_883613980161_r8452_1296x518_5-2.jpg&h=402&scale=crop&w=1006&location=origin)


A Washington Zombie.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Could GB shift to a 4-3 part-time?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 09:17:49 pm
The Green Bay Packers lost linebacker Sam Barrington for the season with a foot injury, but the potential return of strong safety Morgan Burnett could be a boost for a run defense that is once again struggling early in a season.

Burnett missed the opener against the Chicago Bears with a calf injury and the Bears ran all over the Pack for 189 yards, the second-most allowed on the opening weekend in the NFL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 09:43:06 pm
Bryan Bulaga didnít finish because of an apparent left knee injury.

Bulaga took part in drills during the portion of practice open to the media, but just before those nosy reporters were asked to leave, Bulaga stepped off to the side. He was later added to the teamís injury report as limited.

Bulaga tore his left ACL in 2013, and has worn a brace on that knee since.


;-(

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 09:49:58 pm
Ron from Mesquite, NV

Vic, love your columns and your videos. In your ďFinal ThoughtsĒ videos, you do a segment of ďThe Packers win if ÖĒ How do you feel about this statement: ďThe Packers win if Eddie Lacy has more rushing yards than Marshawn LynchĒ?

You stole my line.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 09:54:27 pm
Joe from Bloomington, IN

St. Louis and Seattle both have strong defenses, yet, the game ended 34-31. Whatís your take on that?

Itís September. Itís the real preseason, the one that counts. Identities wonít begin to be forged until Halloween. The football season has begun and everyone is excited, but the real football season is still off in the distance.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 09:58:14 pm
Every time I walk into Lambeau Field and see those bleachers, I get goosebumps. I have been to some exciting games, but I have never been more excited to go to a game than I am for this one. Letís show Seattle what real fan noise is.

And letís show Seattle we wonít sell our tickets to you. Iím going to be watching that very closely. I wanna see THAT tradition.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 10:01:53 pm
Brian from Fond du Lac, WI

ďThe revenge thing doesnít work; players just donít think that way.Ē I see. So weíre supposed to just ignore all the players taking the revenge angle to heart in their interviews? One might get the impression that more do than donít use revenge as a motivator. I guess that makes you a liar, or ignorant, but to be around players for so many years and still remain ignorant takes a profound delusional effort. With you, though, that does not shock me.

Brian, I think you broke your one-day record for questions to ďAsk VicĒ yesterday. Donít let this game get to you, Brian. Weíre gonna need you in December.


Obnoxious bastard. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 10:05:53 pm
Mike from Somerset, WI

Vic, I am not sure you fully understand why Packers fans love Lambeau so much. Lambeau Field on gameday is a fall version of small-town festivals held across small towns in Wisconsin in the summer. Itís a collective group of people who have a love for football and celebrations. Something is lost in people when they enter a big city, but itís present in small towns across Wisconsin. Lambeau Field is the meeting point of the people from small towns that are the heart of Wisconsin.

I thought I was the romantic in this column; I was wrong. I agree with everything youíve written. I have often referred to the Packers as the team of the small town. It also hit me this summer, on the night of the Brett Favre induction, that Lambeau Field is this franchiseís real attraction. I genuinely believe the Packers could have a Lambeau Field Day every summer, and just open the stadium for people to sit in it and watch the sprinklers water the field, and the place would fill up. The decision to renovate Lambeau Field is the second smartest decision in the franchiseís history. I think we all know what the No. 1 decision is.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 10:11:35 pm
Adam from Toronto, Ontario

If we were to win this game against the Seahawks but were to miss the playoffs, would we still have exacted our revenge?

Chuck Noll was fond saying you canít get back, only get even. That game last January is gone; the outcome can never be changed. They did to you what you were trying to do to them. I really donít understand the vitriol Packers fans are feeling for the Seahawks. Was it the Seahawksí duty to roll over and play dead? If everyone will calm down, we might see a really good football game this Sunday we can appreciate more fully than useless emotions would otherwise prevent.


I think the Seattle QB saying they won because God willed it inflamed every Packr fan to the tip of his toes.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 10:16:09 pm
Nathanael from Prague, Czech Republic

Vic, why do you hate it that offenses have found out passing is better than running. As a reporter, wouldnít you enjoy such a great breakthrough?

I like the field-position game. I like the slow, methodical taking of territory. Passing the football has become a dink-and-dunk event. I donít like that. I like the ball run between the tackles, forcing the defense to commit more defenders to run support, and then the play-action fake used to throw the ball deep. Thatís my kind of football: pound and bomb.


The Czechs have really been busy writing this week.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2015, 11:18:04 pm
The 26-year-old missed the entire 2013 season after suffering a torn left ACL, and a sprained MCL in the same knee forced him to miss the first game of last season.

it pertained strictly to pass bDuring the 2014 season, Bulaga graded out as Pro Football Focus' 16th-ranked offensive tackle, and that mark improved to No. 9 overall when locking.

If one of Aaron Rodgers' trusty bodyguards can't go Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks, fourth-year tackle Don Barclay projects as the replacement on the right side.





Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2015, 09:25:13 am

Rodgers might actually get his uniform dirty this Sunday with Bulaga out.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 18, 2015, 04:14:17 pm
It's happened before.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2015, 04:54:37 pm
Nah the new guy will just hold also.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 18, 2015, 04:59:42 pm
Ben from Brookings, SD

Vic, what are some games/matchups youíre looking forward to this weekend besides the Packers-Seahawks?

New England at Buffalo is my feature attraction. I want to see Brady and Gronkowski against that Bills secondary.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 18, 2015, 05:38:07 pm

Julius Peppers to Green Bay Packers fans: 'Weíre going to get better'

 by Arty Vezikov 1d ago 

Itís easy to panic after just one game of football. After all, itís the first meaningful game weíve witnessed in eight months so extensive scrutiny should be come as a default. Though the Green Bay Packers beat the Chicago Bears 31-23 on Sunday, many fans choose to draw negative takeaways from the game...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2015, 08:57:10 pm
So where's this Seattle game...in GB again? 1-1...go Seattle!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on September 20, 2015, 01:10:49 pm
Peckers D is terrible. 402 yards to the Bears.

Seattle 34 - Peckers 26.....Peckers only score 26 because no Chancellor
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on September 20, 2015, 09:56:18 pm
Lacey busted ankle....Peckers are screwed without Lacey and Nelson
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 20, 2015, 10:02:13 pm
Otto, How you like the refs in this game?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on September 20, 2015, 10:46:22 pm
Refs not a big deal.

beerbelly

Who is screwed?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on September 20, 2015, 11:01:27 pm
Quote
Peckers D is terrible. 402 yards to the Bears.

Seattle 34 - Peckers 26.....Peckers only score 26 because no Chancellor


BBBBBBWWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 20, 2015, 11:47:41 pm
Eddie Lacy injured.  No problem.  Next man up.

Davante Adams injured.  No problem. Rookie Ty Montgomerie steps up ahead of the other young WRs.  In a year or two he will play like Jordy Nelson.

Every Packerfan is predicting Richard Rodgers is ready to break out.  Ty beat him to it. Rodgers is next.

Only problem  in the game: the amateur  NBC commentators who were so biased that it sounded like Seattle was their team.  How bush.

Jayrone Elliott made a statement at the end of the game with his interception to ice it all.  He's coming up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 21, 2015, 07:15:22 pm
Pete Carroll blames officiating mistake for Packersí biggest play

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 21, 2015, 6:35 PM EDT




Seahawks coach Pete Carroll is not done complaining about the officiating following Sunday nightís loss in Green Bay.

Carroll, who said after the game that the officials wrongly awarded the ball to the Packers after a fumble that the Seahawks recovered, also says that a crucial pass interference penalty against the Seahawks never should have happened. According to Carroll, the officials should have blown the play dead as soon as Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett jumped offside, and not kept the play going to give Aaron Rodgers a free play, which he used to draw a 52-yard pass interference penalty on Richard Sherman.

ďRemember when they got us to jump offsides and then they get the 53-yard pass interference penalty?Ē Carroll said on ESPN 710 Seattle. ďThatís a total mistake on the officialsí part. We jump offsides, their offensive line, the right guard and tackle stand up, the playís dead. That play never happened. It never should have happened. It would have been a 5-yard penalty. It would have been second-and-12 backed up with 30 seconds left. That was a huge deal to us. It never should have gotten to that point. . . . That was the biggest play of the game for them, really.Ē

Carroll also says the officials shouldnít have ejected Seahawks linebacker K.J. Wright for a skirmish that Carroll claims was more the fault of Packers tight end Richard Rodgers.

ďK.J. didnít swing back or nothing, so I donít know,Ē he said. ďI donít know what to tell you on that one. I can see if they could have called it both ways, but for him to get thrown out when the other guy threw the punch, I donít know.Ē

It was a rough Sunday night for the Seahawks, and Carroll doesnít sound like heís over it yet.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 08:06:41 pm
That's ole' Pete Carroll.  Complain, complain, complain and never admits the error of the Fail Mary,  which everyone saw and laughed at.


The guy is a **** ant and not worth listening to. 

The smackdown feels all the better, now.


He  was bitching his head off about the penalty of 12 men on the field.  All the time he was bitching TV was showing q clip of the 12th man heading for the sidelines while the snap was being made.  Shame on him and anybody  who has faith in his low class screaming on the sidelines.

Enough of this faky criticism.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 08:21:34 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-recap/article-1/Win-was-nearly-perfect-Packers-2-0/21cabf18-36bb-4227-a229-d52a4d03a4d8?campaign=email_150921&j=74123853&e=asoh@frontiernet.net&l=22026286_HTML&u=657149163&mid=96970&jb=0

Magical  night in Lambeau.  Cobb, Jones and Montgomery star.  Wo'da thunk?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 08:31:37 pm
Jayrone Elliott was ready when he needed to be

Posted 18 hours ago

Undrafted linebacker's INT came out of nowhere.

Next man up.

Had been waiting for his play in practice to transfer to the game.

Needed help at LB qnd WR.  Two more players stepped up.



Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 08:44:22 pm
The younger Rodgers was also right in the middle of a mini-melee on Green Bayís next possession. One play after Seahawks QB Russell Wilson threw an interception, Seattle linebacker K.J. Wright got into it with Rodgers and was ejected for ripping off his opponentís helmet by the facemask.

ďTempers just flared and he happened to get kicked out,Ē Rodgers said, declining to discuss the incident any further.

Both teams were called for personal fouls, with Packers guard T.J. Lang getting a flag for inserting himself into the ruckus. The Packers then drove for a field goal for the gameís final points.

ďWe knew thatís how they play. They play on the edge,Ē Lang said.

ďI saw Richard go down and I saw his head getting pinned back and pushed into the ground. Iím not just going to stand there and watch it happen. I didnít think I did anything to deserve a penalty, but thatís just what I do, man. I probably watch too much hockey. Iím a loyal guy. I try to help my teammates out.Ē

They probably play on the edge because of Pete Carroll's coaching.  No.  77 was continually looking for someone to late-hit.  .
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 08:53:34 pm
If the Bears can beat the Hags, now I'll be proud of them.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 21, 2015, 08:55:18 pm
No shot in hell of that happening. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 09:45:50 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on September 21, 2015, 7:50 PM EDT

This week, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll has criticized officials not once but twice in the aftermath of a Sunday night loss at Lambeau Field. It started with Carroll claiming that a key fumble that went to Green Bay had been recovered by the Seahawks. It continued with Carroll taking issue with the decision of the officials to allow a play to keep going after defensive lineman Michael Bennett jumped offside, resulting in a free-play bomb that induced a 52-yard pass interference penalty.

Setting aside the question of whether Carroll should be concerned about making an involuntary contribution to the leagueís charitable endeavors for calling out the officials, Carrollís complaint simply isnít accurate.

Carroll thinks the play should have been blown dead after Bennett jumped early. But Bennett, who was lined up inside, didnít make a move unabated to the quarterback or actually contact a Seattle offensive lineman. Instead, he bit on the hard count, popped into the neutral zone, drew a flag, and the play kept going. As it should have.

Watch the play. The action continues, and anyone who decides to stop (especially on defense) doesnít understand the rule ó or the basic obligation to play until the whistle is blown. (And for anyone who says the right guard jumped in response to Bennett, which should have killed the play, that reaction came a split second at most before the ball was snapped, making it as a practical impossible to kill the play before it began.)

Itís unclear why Carroll is deciding to shift blame away from the Seahawks for the loss. Maybe itís because the Seahawks lost by double digits on Sunday night for the first time since November 6, 2011. Maybe itís because he doesnít want to give holdout safety Kam Chancellor leverage. Maybe Carroll genuinely believes that mistakes were made.

Regardless, if the Seahawks are going to turn this thing around (and they have the talent to do it), they need to focus on fixing what theyíre doing wrong, enhancing what theyíre doing right, and welcoming the 0-2 Bears followed by the 0-2-and-maybe-0-3-by-next-week Lions to town.

In two weeks, the Seahawks should be 2-2. If theyíre not, officiating will be the least of the problems in Seattle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 10:08:41 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 10:10:02 pm
  ‏@ArrickUpton  ∑ 3h3 hours ago   Ashwaubenon, WI   
Through two games @AaronRodgers12 stats:
43/56, 438 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs

76% completion


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on September 21, 2015, 10:17:05 pm
packrat Rodgers is probably the best QB in the history of the NFL.  He is unreal.

Packers fans are truly spoiled having back to back HOFers at the most important position. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 10:17:54 pm
In January, Aaron Rodgers said he didn't think God was a big football fan, per Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com. The Green Bay Packers quarterback was singing a different tune Sunday night. 

ďI just think itís a top-down mentality," Rodgers said after Green Bay's 27-17 win over the Seattle Seahawks, according to Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times. "Itís being very confident in the preparation and then getting it all from God. I think God was a Packer fan tonight, so He was taking care of us.Ē

Of course, Rodgers' comments appear to be a not-so-thinly veiled shot at Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson, who is known for invoking his faith. Wilson had credited God as the reason the Seahawks defeated the Packers in their NFC Championship Game matchup eight months ago.

ďThatís God setting it up, to make it so dramatic, so rewarding, so special,Ē Wilson told The MMQB's Peter King. ďIíve been through a lot in life, and had some ups and downs. Itís whatís led me to this day.Ē

Rodgers later retorted on an ESPN Wisconsin radio show, indicating he did not believe a higher power had anything to do with the result.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 21, 2015, 10:48:31 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 22, 2015, 09:57:03 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 22, 2015, 10:00:52 pm
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No smile for #3 this time.  The "tough ****" look from AR.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on September 22, 2015, 11:26:36 pm
Long season....Hawks will be there at the end. 'AR' better hope the game is home, because if it ain't......yeah....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 10:57:32 pm
It's better to play 11 0n 11 than 12 on 11.  Minnesota used  big horns and audio amplifiers..  Denver uses thin air.  GB uses very cold weather. Each team has its method of torturing you.  Always play Home games if you want the advantage.

I don't think that AR is worried. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:11:04 pm
Second-year defensive lineman did his job vs. Seahawks


GREEN BAY Ė Week 2 provided some redemption for Packers defensive lineman Mike Pennel.

Pulled early from the opener in Chicago Ė his first NFL start Ė when Bears running back Matt Forte got rolling, Pennel made up for it last Sunday. Along with veteran linemen B.J. Raji and Mike Daniels, Pennel played his part in holding Seattleís Marshawn Lynch to just 41 yards on 15 carries.

Pennel held his ground when needed and got penetration into the backfield when called for, staying within the scheme better as he was credited with three tackles, including one for loss on Lynch. He also had one QB pressure...

You will never build a good team strictly with high draft choices and FAs.  Show me your list of successful UDFAs and low draft choices.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:14:17 pm
John from La Crosse, WI

Is there an update on Josh Boyd? What impact would his loss have?

Boyd was placed on the injured reserve list. The Packers have lost for the season a good, young big guy. Mike Pennel just became even more important.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:18:28 pm
Chris from Fredericksburg, VA

Yesterday, when you said, ďWhen he runs, the quarterback must go down, and the quarterback must go down hard. He must be made to pay for his choice,Ē it really clicked for me how much of a football guy you are. I love the sarcasm, wit, honesty, but that comment brought me back to the sportswriters of old. Thereís so much media and league exposure around protecting the QB; I wish there were more like you, Vic.

Iím part of the culture that needs to change, and I am changing, though with clenched teeth, but this is where I draw the line. With all of the protections afforded the quarterback in the pocket, if he elects to become a running back, every effort must be made to discourage his choice. In the four-plus years Iíve covered this team, that was the most impressive play I have seen Mike Neal make. It requires rare athletic ability in a big guy to drop Russell Wilson as Neal did.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:27:49 pm
Stephen from Cedar Falls, IA

Vic, would you say in todayís game you need your safeties to be able to stop the run and drop into coverage for a secondary to be successful?

It helps if your safeties can play the run and the pass with equal aplomb. If they can, you can play them right and left, instead of free and strong, and that helps a defensive coordinator disguise coverages. Disguising coverage is how you create confusion in quarterbacks and in receivers, and thatís how you create interceptions. Cover four can be made to look like cover two, but you have to have defenders that can play both coverages. Itís always about talent. The more things your players can do, the more you can do with your scheme.

Anyone who watched the GB vs Seattle with Safety Morgan Burnett in the lineup could see how much better the team played against Chi than with Burnett injured.  Good in cover and tackles.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:30:35 pm
Kirk from Goodhue, MN

No question, just a word of thanks for the remark about the record crowd. Made me tear up a little.

In 44 years, I have never seen an early-season game impact a fan base the way Sunday nightís game has impacted Packers fans. That win has touched emotions you would expect in a long-suffering fan base that hasnít known victory in decades, but that is certainly not the case with this fan base. Iím delighted Packers fans are feeling such joy, but this is hump day, itís time to put Sunday in the rearview mirror and begin looking ahead. All celebrations have to end, and this one ends with this question and answer. It was a great party, but itís time to turn out the lights.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:39:47 pm
Robert from Oak Creek, WI

Vic, it seems Starks, Harris and Crockett get through the holes in the line a lot quicker than Lacy. Lacy appears to take too much time to make a decision. Is this something you have noticed?

I can remember covering a game at old Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington, Minn. It was right next to the airport and I can remember sitting in the press box and watching planes taking off and noticing 747s appeared to move slower in the air than the smaller planes did, even though I had a feeling the 747s were actually moving faster than the smaller planes. You know what I mean?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:43:43 pm
Don from Madison, WI

Vic, during your live chat last week you implied the risk of driving a car is equal to or worse than having kids play football. ďThe time they spend playing football is time they wonít spend driving the car.Ē Iím all for letting parents make choices, but informed choices based on facts, not analogies. Do you really believe the high risk that happens when one is hit in football is the same amount of risk a person would crash their car? You can be a very thoughtful person when it comes to life decisions, so I was surprised at what I thought was a flippant answer.

You can blame my father for that opinion. I broke my leg playing football, and the following year my father hesitated giving his consent. My coach came to our house to persuade my father to allow me to play. It was my coach who said the time I would spend practicing football would be time I wouldnít spend driving the family car. My father gave his consent, and he was not a flippant man. Iím not big on kids with cars, either, and itís not just because cars crash, itís also because cars take kids to dangerous places. I would rather my children play football and learn about themselves and their tolerances, than spend that time using a dangerous vehicle as a form of entertainment. Other than the really important stuff, football is the best thing that ever happened to me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:49:47 pm
Michael from Franklin, MA

Vic, do you think Montgomery can develop into a Dez Bryant type of receiver?

No, I think Montgomery is another Randall Cobb. Theyíre WR/RB/KR, which means they can run after the catch and they can be used in multiple ways. Speaking of offense of the future, thatís one of the players of the future. Heís a perfect fit for spread-type offense.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 23, 2015, 11:52:45 pm
Matt from Minocqua, WI

Tom Coughlin said this is a fourth-quarter league. He stated that itís performing at crunch time, when the pressure is on, under the spotlight in the fourth quarter; that is what this league is all about. I couldnít agree more, and last year it proved to be the Achilles heel for the Packers.

It was a problem in one game. The Packers were a wonderful crunch-time team last year. Coach Coughlin knows the NFL has been a crunch-time league for a long time. This is nothing new. If I was a GM who needed to draft my next franchise quarterback, I would put as much of a premium on what a guy does at crunch time as I would on his physical skills. If heís a choker, I donít want him. Aaron Rodgers is a crunch-time quarterback. He got it done at crunch time in the Super Bowl win over the Steelers. With his back to the goal line, Rodgers threw a perfect pass to move the sticks and, as far as Iím concerned, clinch the win. How about the last two games? Was he clutch? No quarterback gets it done all the time, but Rodgers gets it done the vast majority of the time. Iíve never covered a better quarterback. Iím just waiting for one more title.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 24, 2015, 12:03:31 am
James Starks replaced Lacy and rushed for 95 yards.

ďJames Starks is a helluva running back. He was a big part of our run to the Super Bowl. Heís the ultimate teammate. He always puts the team first. We could play 50-50 with him and Eddie,Ē McCarthy said.

The Packers held Seahawks star running back Marshawn Lynch to 41 yards rushing...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 24, 2015, 08:13:35 pm
James from Lake Mary, FL

Vic, you stated you would make it so defenders have to be within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. I see what your goal is in doing that, but what about the prevent defense in the final two minutes?

If the result of this rule would be the end of the prevent defense, I should be named commissioner for a day. Who wouldnít want to see the prevent go away? Think of the frustration weíve all experienced when a defense that didnít allow a ďyardĒ all day is suddenly being gashed for big chunks of yardage, and a game that was in the bag is now an onside kick away from crunch time. I hate the prevent. Who doesnít hate the prevent? I understand the theory, but the prevent is the softest strategy in all of football, and thatís why itís so difficult to play: Hard men donít like to do soft things.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 24, 2015, 08:18:18 pm
Phil from Plymouth, MN

Vic, I was listening to a former GM on the radio. He said good teams only get a couple of years shot at the big one, and then they have to start over with cheaper, young players. It seems like we always have a shot. Your thoughts?

Heís right. Thatís the natural cycle of build and rebuild. The Patriots have long avoided the natural cycle of build and rebuild. The Packers are on a six-year playoff run and I think theyíre going to have a long run of avoiding the natural cycle of build and rebuild. What do the Patriots and Packers have in common? All things are possible when you have ďThe Man.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2015, 02:40:53 pm
Bill from Oskaloosa, IA

Joe Kapp? I remember him throwing more wobbly and even a few end-over-end passes than any NFL quarterback.

Do you remember him being 5-1 against the Packers in 1967-69? In one of those games, he was two of 11 for 25 yards, no touchdowns, two interceptions and 0.0 passer rating. He never completed more than nine passes in a game against the Packers; thatís how different football was in his era. Weíre talking about a player who was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Kappís face was a study in toughness. I loved that scar. He was another one of those compelling figures whose presence defied statistical comparison. It was a beautiful game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2015, 02:42:56 pm
John from Verona, WI

Suppose Aaron Rodgers wins another Super Bowl or two. What places him above the other great quarterbacks?

He has it all. Rodgers can beat you with his legs. Brady canít. Bradshaw could do all of the physical things, but he resisted the nuances of the position, such as check-down and swing passes. His eyes were always in one place, downfield. Rodgers uses the whole field. Iíve never seen a more complete quarterback than Rodgers; Montana was as complete.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2015, 02:44:01 pm
Todd from Rochester, NY

If youíre afraid to fail, you will. I sense no such fear from this team, and I think it showed against Seattle. McCarthy has done a great job instilling confidence, even in our young guys, and I think our fast start can be attributed as much to that as anything else.

Mike McCarthy possesses the unique blend of brashness and humility.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2015, 02:46:33 pm
Vic, so youíre telling me back in the old days teams like the Steelers and Raiders never played against each other with revenge on their minds? From how violent you make them seem, I find that hard to believe.

It was never about revenge. It was always about hate. Those two teams were born to hate each other. They still hate each other. Have you ever seen one of them say something complimentary of the other? That was the real thing; no hype. Pete Banaszak was my radio partner in Jacksonville, and weíd get into conversations about those games and heíd go after Swann as though he was Atkinson or Tatum. I was down on the field late in one game, and Phil Villapiano walked by on the way to the locker room after injuring his knee, and he looked right at me and yelled, ďThe Steelers are history!Ē I smiled; he snarled. I hated to cover those games. They were disturbing. The crazy thing is when those players were gone, so was the rivalry. It wasnít about the teams, it was about the men who played on those teams. They just naturally hated each other.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2015, 02:49:10 pm
Jim from Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Iíve noticed how you are a forgiving man who believes in second chances, and you also donít chortle when someone or some other team struggles. Can you point to an event in your life that opened your eyes to this attitude? Maybe itís football related; maybe itís not.

The nuns probably did it to me. If they didnít, football did. Lombardi, Unitas, Layne, Ditka, etc. were my role models. They were tough guys who carried themselves with dignity. You canít demand respect if you donít afford it to others.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 27, 2015, 07:58:37 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Peppers-focus-rally-to-the-ball/0bf36466-0f11-444d-9a9a-2ebd47f45da4

Julius speaks.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 28, 2015, 07:26:48 pm
James from New York, NY

Who was the first player to celebrate in a way similar to how they do today? Did it begin with the spike?

Yes, it was Homer Jones.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 28, 2015, 07:34:40 pm
Eric from Mequon, WI

How cool would it be if the NFC North and homefield advantage came down to the Vikings at Green Bay game on Jan. 3?

The way the Vikings are playing is no surprise to me. I saw this coming late last season. Mike Zimmer is a good man and heís an outstanding coach. He has the Vikings playing great defense. This is my rivalry. This is the one I like.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 28, 2015, 07:40:35 pm
Bryce from Iron Mountain, MI

We better be careful, Vic. The Chiefs will obviously be coming into Lambeau looking to get revenge for Super Bowl I.

The Chiefs will be coming into Lambeau Field knowing they have what it takes to win against a great quarterback. They have a powerful pass rush and running game. Thatís the formula. Knock him off the spot and keep him on the bench. So, everybody, letís get ready for some football, because I think weíre gonna really see some tonight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 28, 2015, 11:18:39 pm
HOW SWEET IT IS.     
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 12:34:14 am
Hans from Front Royal, VA

Vic, besides Clay Matthews and Mike Daniels, what two players on defense stood out to you?

Sam Shields had a sensational game. After the season opener, my inbox was filled with angst for the way Shields played, so I think itís important to note what Shields did last night: Led the team with six tackles, made an interception that led directly to a touchdown, and made a tackle for loss and a pass defensed. Casey Hayward had a tackle for loss and a pass defensed. Nick Perry had a sack, two tackles for loss, a hurry and a forced fumble. Joe Thomas and Jayrone Elliott each had a sack, a tackle for loss and a hurry. Thereís nobody that didnít play well. With those gaudy stats, are we really going to focus on garbage time? Iím getting angry. Congratulations, Coach Capers, for having your guys ready to play.
 
When Ron Wolf took over as GM the Packers had been losing.  Ron said the this team would become a winner and the day would come when Packer fans would begin complaining after a victory that they didn't win decisively enough or they didn't win the way the fans wanted.  It happened.  So sad. I'll bet that it will happen to the Bear fans one day.  Human nature.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 12:48:24 am
Hans from Front Royal, VA

Vic, are we seeing an offense thatís playing defense? Time of possession seemed to be a big factor through most of this game.




The Packers had a seven-minute time of possession advantage, and it helped keep the defense fresh. By the way, the defense held the Chiefs to seven possessions of three plays or fewer through three quarters of the game. In his postgame interview, Rodgers said the Chiefs were loaded up to stop the run, which left man coverage across the board, and the Packers receivers won their one-on-ones. Thereís your analysis of what happened. Imagine, playing run against Rodgers. Thatís what Eddie Lacy has done for this team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 01:03:00 am

Vic, I know there are people out there who donít truly appreciate the things No. 12 is doing. Fortunately, I am not in that category. I think we may be watching Jordan in his prime. Time to enjoy the ride.

I donít think thereís anyone who doesnít truly appreciate Rodgersí greatness. Iíve been covering football for 44 years and Iíve never seen a better quarterback. He sees more of the field than any quarterback Iíve ever watched. He was reading the Chiefsí sideline last night. He saw their sub packages getting ready to come into the game and he knew what the Chiefs were going to do before they did it, and he was doing all of that as he was listening to his sideline talk to him in his helmet communicator. I think heís the most intelligent quarterback thatís ever played the game.

...and counting opponents with too many men on the field and drawing opponents  off-side for free plays, etc, etc...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on September 30, 2015, 09:21:20 am

I think we may be watching Jordan in his prime. Time to enjoy the ride.

Let me know when Rodgers wins 6 Super Bowls.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on September 30, 2015, 09:47:44 am
Yeah, that remark was just silly...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 03:11:42 pm
Wayne from Green Bay, WI

Iím no coach, but why would any team play man to man with a single-high safety, unless they have two shutdown corners? Rush four and flood passing lanes has been the best formula for slowing down Rodgers for a while now.

Itís because defenses fear the run more than they do the pass. I said that back in 2012 and í13. Defensive coordinators live in fear of having the ball jammed down their throat all day. Eddie Lacy has been a game-changer for Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense. Heís opened the field. If you canít stop the run, you canít stop anything. Only a few teams can stop the run and get pressure with four. Most defenses have to pick their poison, and those defenses will usually pick the run poison.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on September 30, 2015, 03:12:33 pm
I get it, one of the best to ever play the position, playing the best he has ever played.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 03:22:11 pm
Jesse from Bethlehem, PA

Kaepernick and the 49ers confuse me so far, Vic. They looked great in Week 1, but a little listless the past few weeks. What do you expect to see from them this weekend?

I expect to see the best they have to give. They had back-to-back bad days in Pittsburgh and Phoenix. Theyíll be at home on Sunday, and theyíll be focused to even their record and stay in touch with the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 06:08:41 pm
Can you say deja vu?

The Green Bay Packers offense again was eerily similar (in a good way) to the results of the previous weekís game against the Seahawks.

I would say that the Chiefs and Seahawks defenses were similar in that they both attempted to pressure Aaron Rodgers with strong edge rushes. Tamba Hali and Justin Houston both worked hard to rattle Aaron but he is just unflappable.

Rodgers, instead, loves the challenge. Iím pretty certain that he would feel bored if there was no pressure against him. Aaron thrives on the competition. The better the competition, the better he plays.

Aaronís performance on Monday Night was nothing but amazing/extraordinary/epic/fill-in the blank superlative.

So how could Aaron Rodgers have received a negative grade from Pro Football Focus (PFF) for his efforts against the Kansas City Chiefs.

AR was rated 37th QB with a -0.8.  Yeah, that's -0.8.  That's  just below Blake Bortles @-0.7.   LMAO.

Aaron throws 24/35 for 333 yards with five TDs and zero INTs (again) which turned into an ESPN QBR of 78.0 (which I am still not sure how it is calculated) or a 138.5 RAT (which trailed only Kellen ClemensĎ RAT of 150.0 which was earned on throwing a whole six passes)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 06:18:21 pm
When the grades came out today, you wouldnít have expected to find Rodgersí name at the bottom of the QB list Ė with an overall negative grade of -0.8, sitting in the same company as Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles and Jameis Winston. In fact, of the quarterbacks rated above Rodgers on the list are Andy Dalton, Marcus Mariota, Tyrod Taylor, Derek Carr and a hapless Ryan Mallett.

When asked why the two-time league MVP and 5-touchdown (to zero interception) guy was given such an awful grade, the analysts responded by saying that the formula takes into account all plays demonstrated on the football field, even the two that wonít show up on the stat line.

Yes, they are referring to a fumble in the 2nd quarter which was negated because of a penalty down the field. They said that Rodgersí fumble showed ďpoor pocket managementĒ and counted negatively on his overall performance.

The other slight?

A near interception thrown in the third quarter, which was dropped and called an incompletion. Rodgers said that he ďjust didnít see him (Josh Muaga)Ē and it was a close call that went the Packersí way.

So Ė PFF, I pose this followup question to you: TWO plays, neither of which negatively impacted the offense or the game in any way, are what youíre going by here?

Rodgers tossed 24 completions against just 9 incompletions, 5 of those went for touchdowns, none wound up in the hands of the opponent. His cadence drew multiple offsides penalties, one resulting in a huge TD catch by James Jones, another a huge completion down the field to set up another TD. He collected a whopping 139-passer rating, far and away the best in the league, week three.

But a fumble and an interception that wasnít Ė made that great an impact?

Well Ö I guess the Packers should just trade him away now. Whatís the use in wasting all that money on a guy that grades out like Blake Bortles against the defending SB champion, Patriots?

Go home, ProFootballFocus.

You are clearly, drunk.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2015, 06:29:37 pm
LB Quarless to IR.  Kennard Backman next man up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on September 30, 2015, 07:18:19 pm
Whatever...Jordan missed a free throw every now and then, too...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 09:12:12 pm
LOL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 09:12:32 pm
Mike from Milwaukee, WI

Keith from Texas should also note the NBAís salary cap is expected to drastically increase in the coming seasons, which has led more players to not take a payday this year, as they plan for more lucrative contracts in the future. Athletes playing with better teammates at a discount is a feel-good story, but itís just that. If my career were as short as an average NFL player, Iíd cash in, too.

I interviewed Ron Wolf at his Hall of Fame induction. I asked him to talk about signing Reggie White to a free-agent contract, and Ron talked about the hard recruiting job the Packers did on White, and then Ron said with a smile, ďI still think it was the money.Ē You bet it was, and thatís the way it should be, in my opinion. Professional football is a cold game, and thatís what gives me such a warm feeling about it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 09:21:00 pm
Will from Milwaukee, WI

Vic, I think the reason a lot of fans hate the garbage time mentality our team sometimes plays with is a result of the loss in Seattle. Sure, there were some crazy plays we shouldíve handled to seal the win, but the logic goes that if we had kept the pressure on for four quarters, the game would not have come down to a couple of plays.

These late-game complaints have jammed my inbox since the first year I covered the team. Itís the result of fans that only care about the scoreboard. They donít see the big picture. They donít see the danger in remaining aggressive. A tipped ball can change the game in a snap. They also donít see the need for a coach to protect his players. The potential for injury is constant; donít invite more of it. Thereís a way to play. Thatís why all teams practice four-minute offense. Itís kill-the-clock stuff and the Packers were very good at it last season. Monday nightís game ended with the Packers holding a 10-point lead and having won time of possession in the fourth quarter. Iíve really had enough of this. I donít respect complaints about not having won big enough. Thatís college football. This is the NFL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 09:22:38 pm
Aaron from Post Falls, ID

So, the Bears seem to be checking out of this season, trading veterans away for draft picks. Does that kind of action make it harder for the current roster to focus on playing, thinking they could be traded away at any time?

The Bears are moving into their future, and itís exactly what I would do if the decision were up to me. That approach carries with it a message: If you want to move into the future with us, you better play for it now. Iíve covered teams that have used that approach to salvage seasons and create an up-arrow feeling. Theyíre teams that were dangerous late in the season because they played with the feeling next season had already begun. Hope is a wonderful motivator, and young teams are all about hope. Iíll be interested to see where the Bears are when they play here on Thanksgiving. I have a very strong feeling theyíll be a team brimming with hope.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 09:27:00 pm
Curtis from New Ulm, MN

Any team that can come to Lambeau in 23-degree-below-zero weather and win a playoff game canít be overlooked, no matter how bad they looked last week and regardless of how good we look.

The temperature hadnít dropped that far, yet, Ė that wasnít until the following day, when I nearly died pumping gas Ė but it was near zero and I was in awe of the disregard for the cold with which Kaepernick played. He was the difference in the game. He made the plays at crunch time, when the game was on the line and the temperatures were the coldest. The 49ers have my respect, and I guarantee they have the Packersí respect, too.


I still don't like SF.  Haven't since the Favre/Young days.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 09:28:55 pm
Jack from Chicago, IL

Vic, yesterday you spoke of reading vs. penetrating defensive linemen. I personally prefer attacking linemen because I favor an aggressive approach on the defensive line. Can you give me some examples of some great defensive lines that used either strategy?

The ďSteel CurtainĒ was a read-and-react, two-gapping front. The 1985 Bears were all about getting into the gaps and attacking. Thatís your kind of football. The ďSteel CurtainĒ allowed 29 points and scored five shutouts in the final nine games of 1976. Youíd probably accept that, right? Players, not plays.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 10:01:54 pm
Jeff from Brooklyn, WI

The defense seems to be coming together early this year. Do you get the feeling they have already found their identity?

You canít find your identity this early because the sample isnít large enough. Success isnít always identity. Failure can also be identity. Your identity is what youíve done and how youíve done it, but over a long period of time. The Packers defenseís early-season identity is improvement. If that identity continues throughout the season, itíll be true and defined. The Packers are off to a great start, but it must be maintained. No snowmen. They melt.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 10:03:54 pm
Ross from Sioux Falls, SD

I feel like the Packers defense is on its toes always pushing forward, almost seems to be running downhill, and once they get to the ball they come in a bad mood. My question is: Do you believe it is a mentality?

First you do it, then it becomes a mentality.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2015, 10:24:25 pm

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Julius-Peppers-breaks-down-Kaepernicks-play-style/bf2441ea-d138-45c1-8fdb-08d7013a6fea


Julius on Kaepernik , Matthews.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2015, 09:46:53 pm
Nicholas from Superior, WI

The 49ers have a whole tape of Rodgers drawing defenses offsides and catching them with 12 men on the field. Doesnít that take time away from preparing to cover receivers, tackle running backs and block rushers?

Thatís the idea. The more you can do, the more your opponent has to do.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2015, 09:49:01 pm
Mike from Fairfield, CA

Vic, do you believe the 49ersí attention to the hard count will cause the defensive players near the line to hesitate when the ball is snapped to avoid jumping offsides? Could this be as impactful as getting a few offsides calls in the game? Or have I overthought this?

If it makes them hesitate, the hard count is the equivalent of another pass-blocker.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2015, 09:51:15 pm
Paul from Kilrush, Ireland

Vic, have you an explanation as to why Green Bay is so successful at player development?

They believe in it. The Packers donít just commit to it, they embrace it. My inbox is full of questions this week about the Packersí identity. Draft and develop is their identity. Itís at the root of their success. Aaron Rodgers is a product of draft and develop. Do I need to go any further?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2015, 09:53:08 pm
Joe from Stevens Point, WI

That game right there should put the debate to rest. Joe Flacco is elite.

Iím not a stats guy because I often think they lie, but I think his stats from last night are indicative of how he played: 20 of 33 for 189 yards, one touchdown, one interception, a 73.9 passer rating and a fumble lost. Crunch time? The kicker was the star.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2015, 10:01:36 pm
Tom from Bismarck, ND

Vic, youíve managed to avoid any real questions for another year. You portray yourself as a mean-streets, tough kid from Pittsburgh, yet, you will only answer soft questions that protect your phony baloney job. You are the Pittsburgh throwback uniform of sportswriters.

I like that; itís very witty. Plus, Iím in a really good mood today because itís payday. This column has been very, very good to me. Keep reading, Tom, baby.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2015, 10:03:34 pm
Scotty from Lombard, IL

Vic, do you think the game plan for Sunday will be to take away the 49ers running game and make them beat us with the pass?

No. 1, make him be a passer.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 04, 2015, 10:10:09 pm
Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on  October 4, 2015 Ė 6:15 pm 


151004-q4-in-game-updates-650SANTA CLARA ó The Packers scored a measure of revenge against Colin Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers, defeating both on Sunday at Leviís Stadium, 17-3. The victory caused Packers linebacker Clay Matthews to kiss his right bicep in mock celebration following a sack of Kaepernick, who came into the game 3-0 and with two playoff wins against the Packers.

Kaepernick was sacked six times, intercepted once and held to 160 yards passing. He was also ineffective with his feet, rushing for 57 yards.

Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers started fast and then slowly built the Packersí lead. Rodgers completed 22 of 32 passes for 224 yards and one touchdown.

Eddie Lacy pounded out 90 yards rushing and helped kill the final four minutes of the game clock.

The Packers are 4-0 and return home for games against visiting St. Louis and San Diego prior to the Packersí bye week.

 Posted in Packers.com Blog


 News now! Packers lead, 17-3, with one quarter to play
Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on  October 4, 2015 Ė 5:34 pm 


151004-q3-in-game-updates-650SANTA CLARA ó The Packers took control of the game in the third quarter and led the 49ers, 17-3, with one quarter to play at Leviís Stadium on Sunday.

The defense forced a punt on the 49ersí first possession of the second half, and the Packers had the ball at their 39-yard line. On third-and-9, Aaron Rodgers threw to old reliable, James Jones, for 11 yards.

On third-and-7, Rodgers to Jones converted again, this one for 38 yards to the 49ers 8. On the next play, Josh Sitton was flagged for holding and the Packers moved back 10 yards. On second down, Rodgers scrambled to the 1-yard line. John Kuhn scored on the next play; the Packers led, 14-3, with 7:10 to play in the third quarter.

The Packers defense forced a three-and-out, causing Clay Matthews to kiss his right bicep in a mock gesture of Colin Kaepernick. A short punt left the Packers with the ball at the 49ers 48, and in firm control of the game.

Eddie Lacy ran for 12 yards to the 16 and the Packers were on the verge of taking a commanding lead. The 49ers defense stiffened, however, and Mason Crosby came on to boot a 31-yard field goal, 17-3, with :45 to play in the third quarter.

 Posted in Packers.com Blog


 Game seemed to change on that sideline tackle
Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on  October 4, 2015 Ė 4:47 pm 


150813-ask-vic-halfVincent from Seattle, WA

Vic, itís been four years now playing the NFC West with the zone read; you call it the read option. Why canít Capers coach the correct way to stop it? The Packers defense bites on the hand-off to the RB every time. This is why Colin Kaepernick and Wilson rack up huge rushing yards against us.

OK.

Brandon from Houston, TX

Iím seeing a lot of two-high safety being played. I guess the 49ers have picked their poison.

They appear to be giving the run; I see nickel and a lot of six in the box. OK, run it.

Seth from Kenosha, WI

Any explanation on the false start by Kaepernick?

He bobbed his head.

Brett from Green Bay, WI

Vic, what do you think of Leviís Stadium?

Itís as beautiful; the location is not. I really like this place, but itís in a not-so-great industrial area.

Josh from Eau Claire, WI

Vic, I thought I heard the ďGo Pack GoĒ chant during the first extra-point attempt. Can you affirm that or was I just dreaming?

There are a lot of Packers fans here, and they appear to be concentrated in the end zone to my right.

Chris from Voorhout, The Netherlands

For those unable to get to a TV, how composed was that opening drive?

It was so precision-like youíd think the Packers had practiced it all week.

Chris from Bellingham, WA

Vic, I know thereís no cheering in the press box, but when you see Aaron operate like he did on that first scoring pass, do you just smile and shake your head?

No, I drop my head and type.

Vincent from Seattle, WA

Does the NFL now stand for National Flag League?

The illegal contact penalty was ridiculous. Somebody in the league needs to understand the major point of emphasis on illegal contact and pass interference is causing defenses to back off and give the underneath passes, which is taking the long pass out of the game. I hate this dink-and-dunk stuff. Itís turning a lot of subpar passers into stat kings. Iíll say this for Kaepernick: He looks to make big plays; heís exciting.

Matt from Tallahassee, FL

Is Kaepernick covered in grease?

No, muscles. I should work out more.

Justin from Athens, GA

When is it acceptable to want a change at the head coaching position?

If youíre a Packers fan, itís when youíve so completely lost your mind nobody listens to you.

Raymond from Orlando, FL

Vic, while I was raised in Wisconsin, I had the good fortune of living in Pittsburgh at one point. This weekís game features two coaches from Pittsburgh, Mike McCarthy and Jim Tomsula. I have always been impressed by the long list of NFL coaches that have come from Western Pa. During my time there, I found the Pittsburgh locals to be sincere, honest and hard-working. I think thatís the reason for the long list of yinzers to coach in the NFL. As someone from Pittsburgh, what are your thoughts?

I honestly and sincerely hated the sintering plant; the work was too hard.

Josh from Baltimore, MD

Terrible flooding going on back home in SC, Vic. I hope your house made it with no damage.

I keep calling people to take a look and tell me if my house is still there, but they all left.

Andrew from Washington, DC

As a whole, the defense to this point has played relatively well. They look, however, completely unprepared for the read option. How is that possible when you know youíre going to face Kaepernick? I understand heís a great athlete, but heís not beating us with athleticism. There is simply no one there to defend it.

OK.

Hunter from Richmond, VA

Not the first half that weíre used to seeing so far this season. I like a close game.

Aaron Rodgers had words with Glenn Dorsey after Rodgers was tackled near the sideline. The game seemed to change following that play.

Danny from Oakley, CA

Does Rodgers have a 49ers complex because they didnít draft him?

Heís back home. Home always means more to us.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 05, 2015, 08:13:07 pm

Carl from Key Largo, FL

At his press conference after the 49ers game, Aaron Rodgers was asked how he felt about playing at home, since he grew up in northern California. Without blinking an eye and with a smile on his face, Rodgers responded: ďI am a proud resident of the State of Wisconsin. I have a Wisconsin driverís license and I vote there.Ē End of story. End of question. In my opinion, his incredible on-the-field exploits can only be matched by his off-the-field grace, class and general demeanor.

I asked the question and the answer surprised me. Heís a cool customer. He gets it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 05, 2015, 08:14:14 pm
Wayne from Neenah, WI

Vic, can the emergence of defensive players taking a step forward have anything to do with McCarthy spending more time with the defense since he turned over play-calling?

I think the improvement on defense is mostly the result of the emphasis on drafting defensive players. The last four first-round picks have been defensive players. Three of the last five second-round picks have been defensive players. This team understood coming out of the 2011 season it needed to focus on improving the talent on the defensive side of the ball, and it has.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 05, 2015, 08:14:58 pm
Joshua from Lake Geneva, WI

What was up with the false start/offsides call in the first quarter on Sunday? I thought Raji was clearly offsides.

Colin Kaepernick bobbed his head. You can bark, but you canít move your head when you bark. I clearly saw the bob, and thatís when I began to think Kaepernick is being asked to do too much.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 05, 2015, 08:37:31 pm
Cassandra from Chandler, AZ

Do the Packers have a team that is a threat in every area, rushing, passing and defense? Are the Packers already in midseason form?

No, because itís not midseason. The Packersí arrow is pointing up. Itís a better team today than it was on opening day, and thereís no doubt in my mind the Packers will continue to improve. I asked Mike McCarthy on Sunday if his team had another gear, and he bristled a little at the question in his answer. It would be an insult to Coach McCarthy and his coaching staff to suggest the Packers wonít improve as the season progresses. Thatís what coaches do, they make their teams better. This team could get scary good. Injuries or the lack thereof will determine how good.

I think the infusion of some good defensive rookies, necessitate"ed by los of veteran players will result in steady improvement in team play as these young players gain experience during the season.  Also, some players  drafted a couple of years Mike Neal, Casey Hayward, Chris Banjo, Nate Palmer, Nick Perry, Josh Walker and, Mike Neal and B. J. Raji have been told to improve or risk losing their jobs.>
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 06, 2015, 09:05:00 pm
Aaron from Los Angeles, CA

One guy Iíve been very impressed by is Damarious Randall. It seems like every time heís in the game heís batting a ball down or making a good tackle. How good has he really been, and how good do you think he can be?

He passes the eye test very easily. Randall has all of the physical tools you want in a cornerback. Heís playing well and heís going to play better as he gains experience. The next event in his career will be a big play. Itíll launch him to a higher level.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 06, 2015, 09:10:47 pm
Erik from Corona, CA

The defense has been playing at a high level. Jayrone Elliott seems to be making big plays every week. Do you anticipate him getting more playing time?

Elliott, Nick Perry and Mike Neal are competing for playing time. Thatís exactly what you want. Everyone has a role. As a player stacks success, to use Mike McCarthyís words, his role grows. Elliottís role has clearly grown.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 06, 2015, 09:22:58 pm
Chai from Salem, OR

What is the league going to do about flag mania and now, after MNF, where the correct call would have put the Lions in a favorable position?

The league is going to continue doing what itís doing because the popularity of football continues to grow. The league is giving the fans what the fans want, controversy. Donít blame the league. Donít blame the media. This is your game. You wanted replay. You wanted absolute correctness. You continue to celebrate frustration.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 06, 2015, 09:25:36 pm
Jeremy from Chicago, IL

Vic, I thought Aaron Rodgersí answer to your question about his home was brilliant. On a related note, why do you think Rodgers says heís from Butte Community College when introducing himself on TV? There must be a good reason why he doesnít say Cal.

Heís probably appreciative of the opportunity Butte gave him and wants to acknowledge it. Everybody knows he played at Cal. Maybe he wants to make sure Butte gets credit for first identifying his talent
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 06, 2015, 10:07:23 pm
Week after week, outside linebacker Nick Perry continues to impress as he works his way toward earning a contract extension prior to becoming a free agent in March 2016.

Perry had a huge day against San Francisco, and his motto of the night was clearly "double the fun" as he finished with two solo tackles, a team-high two sacks, two tackles for loss and two quarterback hits.

On the season, Perry is now tied with Clay Matthews for the second-most sacks on the team, behind only linebacker Julius Peppers.

Perry was also tied with defensive lineman Mike Daniels for the highest pass-rushing grade on the day by Pro Football Focus.

Has it really just been injuries all along that have prevented Perry from playing to his true potential? Is he feeling motivated by the fact that the Packers declined the fifth-year option on his contract?

Whatever the reason for the spike in Perry's performance this year, it's been consistent since Week 1, and that's deserving of a rise in stock
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 06, 2015, 10:15:19 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2576426-49ers-feel-clay-matthews-is-a-punk-that-crossed-the-line-taunting-kaepernick
Boo hoo.  Cry baby Kaepernik.   LMAO.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on October 06, 2015, 10:38:25 pm
So the Matthews talks **** when they finally beat him?

Did Roid boy talk **** when they lost the other three times?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2015, 12:38:49 am
Same thing I thought, Peke, lol. So now he talks...bet he was silent the last few games, ehh....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on October 07, 2015, 09:05:42 am
Matthews is a douche.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearHit on October 07, 2015, 09:33:53 am
He should get back to waxing Aaron's car...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on October 07, 2015, 03:45:13 pm
Crybabies backing other crybabies...


Rich
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 07, 2015, 08:04:03 pm
So the Matthews talks **** when they finally beat him?

Did Roid boy talk **** when they lost the other three times?

I can haredly believe that a Bears fan would be upset by that jab at Kaepernik for his smartass arm kissing.  Do you like that arm-kissing show-off? 

Apparently you didn't see the Seattle Running back that shot  Matthews the Double-check.  NO Packer players or fans said a thing about that except maybe chuckle a little.  Come on  man.  This is the NFL, not high school.

I doubt that the 49er bothered Matthews.  With his talent he can ignore that crap. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 07, 2015, 08:21:52 pm
Jerry from Fresno, CA

What will McCarthy focus on in Week 5 against the Rams?

I have to believe the Packers will focus on blocking Aaron Donald.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 07, 2015, 08:24:55 pm
Jerry from Wausau, WI

Vic, Iím really anxious to see how our offensive line holds up against the Ramsí defensive line. The Rams are really an up-and-down team, as they have demonstrated this year. I picked this as a very tough game when I initially saw the schedule and I still feel that way. What do you think, aerial assault or a mix of run and pass?

If you canít run against these guys, and you become one-dimensional, your quarterback is in danger. Thatís what happened to Ben Roethlisberger. I do my 10 things on Thursday. I think you have a pretty good idea what No. 1 is going to be.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 07, 2015, 08:27:29 pm
Jason from Roseburg, OR

Nick Perry is playing like his career depends on it. Agree or disagree, and why?

I agree. What have I been saying in this column for years? Players play for their futures. There is no greater motivation.


If he is playing one good season for a contract, don't re-sign him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 07, 2015, 08:32:52 pm
Mark from Stewartville, MN

Vic, as a Pirates fan, you must have loved Roberto Clemente. What are your memories of him?

He was my favorite player. I checked his batting average every day. I loved his throws from the rightfield corner, the basket catches, the hat flying off his head as he rounded second and headed for third. He didnít slide head first. He went in feet first, hard and flat, hidden by the dust he raised. His movements on a ballfield were beautiful. He never crashed a wall; he kissed it. He was stylish. He was dramatic. His final hit was his 3,000th. It was as though he died that day, at second base, tipping his hat to a late-season crowd. He died as he lived, with mysteriousness. They never found his body. As a player, they never found his soul. There was something about him that made you watch, out of fear youíd miss what was going to happen, because you knew something was going to happen. He was one of those people who couldnít be boring if he tried. What I remember most now are his words in the clubhouse following Game 7 of the 1971 World Series. He was the star. He was the Series MVP, having put on a show that stole the spotlight from Frank Robinson. When Clemente was interviewed on TV and he was asked how he felt, he said he wanted to say something to his mother and father in Spanish. ďOn the greatest day of my life, I ask for your blessing.Ē Nobody translated. Another mystery. Such a shame. Itís good weíre getting to know him now. David Maraniss wrote a beautiful book about Clemente. I thank David for helping peel back the layers of the unknown man I idolized.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 08, 2015, 08:05:10 pm
Beware of Jeff Fisher's trick plays


James from Raleigh, NC

I used to let your weird, baseless hatred of soccer bother me, then I decided that of all the dumb old-man traits you could have, there are far worse than hating the beautiful game.

I wouldnít let it bother you. It doesnít bother me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 08, 2015, 08:20:13 pm
Vic, you said you expect the Packers to be 6-0 going into the bye week. Any reason to think Rodgers and the Packers donít have even higher expectations?

If they can get to 7-0 before the bye week, Iím all for it.

LOL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 08, 2015, 08:22:42 pm
Dave from Rockford, IL

Vic, isnít how many points a defense gives up a better measure of how good they are than how many yards they yield? If thatís the case, then the Packers are tied for the second-best defense in the league.

Yeah, it is, but donít completely dismiss yardage allowed as unimportant. Yards are time, and if the opponent is winning time of possession, your best player is spending too much time not playing. A good defense denies points. A great defense denies everything. Strive for greatness.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 08, 2015, 08:43:38 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-locker-room-report/article-1/Stats-piling-up-for-Packers-pass-rush/6d20b903-1f27-4901-95ce-96e64ae4a6f0

Film clips, team sacks, Matthews, Peppers.  Julius seems to be having fun his second season as LB contesting sack totals.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:36:38 pm
Graham from Albuquerque, NM

Vic, how does this Packers team compare to the 2011 Packers? I feel like aside from the Week 1 game when Matt Forte ran all over, the defense looks a lot more well-rounded. I also like the blitz packages with Clay Mathews.

The 2011 team was a one-trick pony, but that one trick was something the rest of the league couldnít solve until late in the season; thatís how dominant it was. The Packersí pass offense in 2011 was third in yards and first in touchdowns. The offense was No. 3 in yards overall, but a lowly 27th in rushing. Defensively, the Packers were No. 32 in total yards, No. 32 in passing yards and 14th against the run. This team has it all. The Packers are No. 3 in rushing, No. 8 in total defense and No. 7 in pass defense. The No. 21 run-defense ranking is the result of one bad half against Forte. The thing that really jumps out at me is the Packersí passing game, the teamís true calling card, is No. 21, beneath both the Packersí rushing offense and overall defense. Thatís the difference between 2011 and now. There is nothing about the í11 team and this team that are similar, except the records.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:40:40 pm
Richard from Canton, GA

Coach Vic gets picked as the head coach of a new franchise. Obviously, Coach Vic believes in draft and develop. How long before that philosophy becomes rooted? If he became head coach of an existing team and tried to instill draft and develop, how long would that take?

There isnít going to be a new franchise, so allow me to skip that question and move on to the existing team. Does Coach Vic have a clean cap and a full complement of draft picks? If he does, and if he has a quarterback around whom he can rebuild the roster, Coach Vic should put a winner on the field within a couple of years. If he has a clean cap and a full complement of draft picks but one of those picks needs to be used on a quarterback of the future, Coach Vic needs three years of patience before he can be expected to win. If itís a complete cut and gut, with a bad cap, Coach Vic will take the job but rent a house instead of buying one. If itís a complete cut and gut, with a bad cap and lacking a full complement of draft picks, Coach Vic will keep his job as editor of packers.com. Understand this, there is no patience beyond three years, regardless of the circumstances. I remember doing a conference call with Bum Phillips when he was in his first year as head coach of the Saints. I asked him how long he expected the rebuild would take, four years? He said, ďIf it takes that long, somebody else will be doing it.Ē I loved that man. He was a great interview.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:42:41 pm
Paul from Muncie, IN

Every week, opponents seem to talk about all the ways they prepare to not jump offside against Rodgers. Has he created a hesitancy that gives his linemen a split-second advantage getting off the line?

Yes. I think what heís doing is wonderful, but I think itís important to keep those types of things in perspective. You donít ever want to count on tricks to win. Thatís when people stop blocking and tackling.
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Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:46:27 pm
Scott from St. Augustine, FL

Vic, fellow St. Augustine resident Lindy Infante just passed. Is there a good Lindy story you could share?

We have a mutual friend, Matt Robinson, who played quarterback for Coach Infante when he coached the Jacksonville Bulls. Matt arranged a couple of golf games that gave me an opportunity to meet and talk with Coach Infante. Mostly, we talked about our days together in the AFC Central, when I was covering the Steelers and Coach Infante was the Brownsí offensive coordinator. I thought he was the best coordinator in the league, and I was sure the Packers had made the right choice when they hired him to be their head coach. He spoke some of his time in Green Bay. Most of the conversation, as I remember it, was about Tony Mandarich and the impact his selection had on Coach Infanteís time in Green Bay. Iíll remember Coach Infante for the work he did with Bernie Kosar, and for being one of the finest offensive minds in all of coaching.


Atrocious at drafting, though. drafted a PK  in round 1.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:48:04 pm
Mark from Toronto, Ontario

Why is everyone so eager to see screens? They are beautiful when they work, but disastrous when they donít. Why worry about screens if we can beat them right up the middle?

Iíve come to realize Packers fans love screen passes as much as they love beer and brats. This fan base is absolutely gaga about screens and deceptives, as Mike McCarthy calls them. The Randall Cobb and Ty Montgomery out of the backfield thing causes my inbox to giggle. Me? I like to push the ball down an opponentís throat. Thatís what makes me giggle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:52:30 pm
Scott from Sauk City, WI

Do you ever get to share your opinions with Coach McCarthy? I know the Packers and their staffers have devoted the entire week to studying film on the Rams, but someone who knows Coach Fisher as well as you do obviously notices his penchant for running trick plays. Do you get to call up Coach McCarthy and tell him to remind his players to be extra alert? Or would you get laughed out of his office if you tried something like that?

After he got done laughing, heíd call security. Scott, in this digital world, all Coach McCarthy would have to do is call his video guy and request a video of all the trick plays Coach Fisher has used since this video capability existed, and Coach McCarthy would hear the ding in his computer in short order. In the old days, coaches would have to talk to other coaches to know when a trick play was used, and then theyíd order their video guy to hunt through the film of that game to find the play. Yesterday, I asked Coach Zook about Coach Fisherís trick plays, and Coach Zook immediately talked of the fake punt the Rams used against the Steelers two weeks ago. Coach Zook knew the down and distance, the field location, the formation and what happened on the play. Nothing gets past these guys. These players are prepared for everything, but knowing it and doing it arenít the same thing.


Sad to see this guy is from Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Joshua from Modesto, CA

It always seems you arenít much on stats, but you have been pulling out rankings lately. Where do you go for your stats?

The league provides a stats pack. It includes everything you could ever want to know. I pore through it looking for stats that tell the truth. The Packersí run-defense ranking, in my opinion, doesnít tell the truth. Itís skewed by one half of football. So, instead of using that ranking, I refer to what the defense has done most recently against Lynch, Charles, Hyde and Kaepernick. The Packersí defensive ranking last year was not indicative of how it was playing in the second half of the season. A bad first half of the season doomed the overall ranking. So, what do I do, use the overall ranking to tell my readers how the Packers defense was playing two months ago? What good is that?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 05:59:24 pm
this issue perplexes fans as it does.

Robert from Aiken, SC

According to the rules, a player may not bat or punch: (b) A ball in player possession. That means the initial punch out was also illegal, as is every swat, punch or slap, or any hitting of a ball in possession at all. Stripping is pulling or ripping the ball out; any other means is illegal, according to the rule, yes?

Tell me when youíve seen that rule enforced. Do you remember the ďaround the worldĒ rule? It was in the rulebook for eons, but I only ever saw it applied once, and the official that did it was reprimanded because, as I was told, ďMike (Pereira) doesnít want it called that way.Ē I didnít like the rule, either, but a rule is a rule, right? Or why have a rulebook? Seriously, the rulebook needs to be re-written. Itís a mess.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 06:45:32 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic-extra/article-1/Most-Improved-Player-through-four-games-Read-Vics-chat/71c2d1b5-80a3-4567-bd7d-5e92a4815f68

More :Ask Vic.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2015, 07:09:14 pm
Green Bay Packers safety Sean Richardson is reportedly expected to miss the rest of the 2015 season after suffering a serious neck injury for the second time in his career.

Continue for updates.



Richardson's Future in Question After Setback

Friday, Oct. 9

Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel reported the safety suffered a herniated disk in his neck below where he previously had fusion surgery. It's a situation that could threaten his career given the prior issues in the affected area.

It's unclear exactly how the setback occurred. Richardson played in last week's game against the San Francisco 49ers. He wasn't listed on the injury report until Thursday, when he started to experience pain and was sent for an MRI, according to the report.

Rob Demovsky of ESPN noted the Packers changed Richardson's status to out for their Week 5 clash with the St. Louis Rams. The team didn't immediately update his long-term availability, though.

Crap.  Another starter down for the season.  Next man up.  Banjo.  Step right up, young man.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 10, 2015, 07:29:14 pm
The Jordy  Nelson out for the year, Cobb playing injured every wee and Davant Adams on the bench the team has only the retrieved FA James Jones as the leading WR.  On hand there is one guy who hasn't played  in a game, plus Jeff Janis and rookie Ty Montgomery.             

TEs Richard Rodgers and rookie Kennard Backmann better play their butts off.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2015, 07:48:25 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2577814-rams-lb-daren-bates-practices-with-gold-wig-as-team-prepares-for-clay-matthews?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

LOL!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 10, 2015, 07:50:21 pm
LOL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 11, 2015, 10:38:53 pm
Some bad play both teams.  The Packers are definitely winning with defense.  They gave up only 13 points to SF and the Rams COMBINED.

More OL injuries.  Between O-Line and WR injuries AR doesn't have much to throw to.  Opponents can concentrate on stopping the run.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 11, 2015, 10:40:02 pm
 Nice win for the Bears.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 09:50:48 pm
Andrew from San Diego, CA

I was wondering what player you have seen, so far, make the biggest jump from year one to year two and from year two to year three?

Iíll give Jayrone Elliott the one to two nod, and Nate Palmer for two to three.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 09:51:48 pm
Eric from Milwaukee, WI

Does Davante Adams have the skillset to be the boundary and deep threat Rodgers alluded to?

Thatís just about everyoneís expectation, that Adams will become the next Jordy Nelson.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 09:54:34 pm
Bryan from Green Bay, WI

Do the Packers need a deep threat to open things up?

Itís not just a deep threat, itís a deep outside threat. An offense needs to stretch the field vertically and horizontally. Jordy Nelson did that and, in his absence, Davante Adams is expected to be that guy. I have a feeling his return to the lineup will be the little nudge that takes this team to a higher level. Maybe Adams will be the guy who makes the Packers a hot team late in the season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 09:59:02 pm
Brandi from Franklin, WI

Vic, can you please explain to me what the gameday experience is like and why itís so different from other venues? What makes Lambeau the best?

Patriots fans will tell you Gillette is the best. Seahawks fans will tell you CenturyLink is the best. What do Patriots and Seahawks fans, and a lot of other teamsí fans, have in common with Packers fans? Love for their team. Thatís what makes Lambeau Fieldís gameday experience the best for Packers fans. Some people donít want to eat a hot dog in the snow Ė they wouldnít consider that a great gameday experience Ė but Packers fans would eat a limburger sandwich in a Lambeau blizzard and cherish the moment. Itís all about love. Unfortunately, Iíve never been enough in love to eat limburger anywhere.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:01:06 pm
Tom from Georgetown, KY

Vic, based upon what you have seen so far this season as well as your years of experience covering NFL teams, what will this team look like on December 3?

Itíll look different than it does now. All teams change. They are forced to evolve, by injuries and scheme adjustments. If you run the ball too much or too well, your opponents will begin forcing you to throw the ball, and vice versa. How did last yearís Packers evolve? Remember the Clay Matthews move to inside linebacker at midseason? It was a game-changer. Will something like that happen this season? Probably. It might not be as dramatic, but injury often causes a player to emerge, as it did with James Starks in 2010.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:03:42 pm
Mike from Milwaukee, WI

Eighteen seconds trickled off the clock following the last kickoff and the first snap of the Steelersí final drive last night. Something tells me it wonít be considered a big deal since Pittsburgh won on the last play, but Iím imagining a scenario in which Vick throws a Hail Mary at the end, the ball falls incomplete and weíre all talking about clock operators this week.

Clockgate? Thatís exactly what would happen. Why? Because we love controversy, and weíre on a witch hunt to find errors in the officiating of games. I didnít know time had trickled off the clock, but Iím glad it did because it wouldíve been a shame for that game to have ended any way other than it did. Thatís one of the most amazing games I have ever seen. The fourth quarter was fantastic. Philip Rivers willed his team down the field to take the lead, and then Michael Vick showed us one more time what he did with his feet a long time ago. Mike Tomlinís last-play decision was even wilder than what he did against the Ravens, but it worked. As Coach Noll was
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:13:02 pm
Jackson from Minneapolis, MN

For what sport do you think a coach has the greatest influence on the success of a team? My gut would say football, but Iím curious about your opinion.

Football is the sport on which a coachís personality has the greatest impact. A team can be transformed by one manís persona. We saw that with Lombardi. I saw it with Noll. Under one coach, a teamís strength is offense. Under a different coach, that same teamís strength is defense. Thatís the thing about football coaches that intrigues me the most, the way the team takes on the personality of its coach. The Packers have Mike McCarthyís stamp all over them, as evidenced by his big-letters promises. When he says something will change, it changes. Thatís when you know a coach owns the locker room.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:15:54 pm
Donna from Orfordville, WI

Iím new to all of this. What is the wildcat formation the Steelers used on Monday night? The center can hike the ball to someone other than the quarterback?

Any eligible backfield player can receive the snap from center. Do a search for ďsingle wing offensive formation.Ē I think youíll enjoy the history lesson on the offensive formation that preceded the T formation. In the single wing, the quarterback was a blocking back, and the tailback was what we could call the quarterback of today. Paul Hornung was a single wing tailback. The wildcat is a variation of the single wing, without all of the sophisticated faking and ball handing that was the single wingís trademark. The wildcat is also nonsensical. It made absolutely no sense for the Steelers to use it in that situation last night, because it literally told everyone in that stadium who was getting the ball. So why did it work? The only advantage to the wildcat in that situation, in my opinion, is simplicity. The Steelers wanted the ball in LeíVeon Bellís hands, and they wanted him to run with it. It was a play that committed every Steelers player to one thing, making the play work. Thereís a primitive kind of genius that goes with that mentality. Thatís all it can be. One play, everything on the line. How bad do you want to win? Itís what the Packers did in the Ice Bowl. I love that kind of drama. Thank you, Donna, for joining the fraternity of football. Find the human confrontation and you will find the gameís true meaning.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:18:47 pm
Mitch from Tempe, AZ

Vic, Rivers said he had to use a silent count at home against the Steelers on Monday night. Are Steelers fans the best fans in the league this year?

Packers fans invented that silent count thing in 2011.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:22:06 pm


Kathy from Des Moines, IA

Just want to let you know how much I enjoy your column. Packers fan since í60s. Iíve learned a lot from you. I like how you keep us grounded. Keep up the good work!

My father was fond of saying, ďNever sell; only buy.Ē I struggled with that concept for a long time. If you never sell, whatís the use of buying? As I got older, I got it. Never celebrate; only win.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:48:14 pm
Comment From Scott 

Your thoughts on Joe Thomas?--I think the Packers are very fortunate he was still on Cowboys practice squad to be able to bring him back. I like his quickness for pass coverage.

He's been a valuable pickup. Clearly the Packers didn't really want to release him in the first place, but they ran out of roster spots. I just posted a story on Thomas for my weekly Player on the Rise feature. It's on the site now.

Comment From Doug 

You think Vic will be in a better mood this week? Any idea why he's been such a crank lately?

He needs the bye week to get here.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 10:56:49 pm
Comment From Roarke Moody 

Will Clay win DPOY?

He appears to be on his way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2015, 11:28:23 pm
http://prod.images.packers.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/PACKERS/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2015/07-July/temp150728-throwback-old-GAZ026--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720

The great one.  The all-time great WR.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 14, 2015, 07:42:34 pm
Joel from De Pere, WI

I canít stand your column and never read it, in no small measure because of your grammatical carelessness, pointless digressions, and obvious (but paradoxical) allegiance both to Packers management and the Steelers. I would never entertain for a moment the thought of writing in with a comment or question, and, even if I did, I certainly wouldnít try to raise my game or pander to your sensibilities just to win the ďCenex Question of the Day.Ē What say you?

You have no shot.


You're an A-hole, Joel.  What say you, Joel?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 14, 2015, 07:58:22 pm
Steve from Schofield, WI

Vic, I have been hearing a lot of people say the Packersí 5-0 record doesnít really count since every team theyíve played is under .500. With another 2-3 team coming in this Sunday, how would you respond to people who say the wins arenít impressive enough?

A team should feel absolutely no need to impress anyone until the postseason. Thatís when all wins are impressive. You do whatever it takes to get into the postseason, and then your season is finally and forever defined by what you do in those few games. If you want my opinion of this team as it is now, Iíll tell you Iím absolutely sure this is a championship-caliber football team, but that opinion wonít mean much if it isnít supported by performance in the postseason. Weíll see. I can wait. I love the drum roll.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 14, 2015, 08:01:09 pm
Vic, as I watched the San Diego/Pittsburgh game Monday night, one aspect of Rivers is he seems to be very effective when blitzed. Do you agree? If yes, do you believe Capers will alter his game plan for more seven- and eight-man coverages and fewer blitzes?

Philip Rivers is a veteran quarterback who knows his way around a football field and put on a sensational game-management performance on the Chargersí would-be, game-winning touchdown drive. It was artistic listening to him calling out the adjustments and protections. Be that as it may, the Packersí pass rush is on fire, and I donít think Coach Capers wants to throw water on that fire. Coach Capers has a bag full of blitzes, and he used some this past Sunday I had never previously seen or had seen and forgot them. I expect to see more this Sunday. Welcome to Blitz Bay.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 14, 2015, 08:06:09 pm
Randy from Portage, WI

On your wisdom from your dad, buy and donít sell, could it be he got that from Proverbs 23, ďBuy the truth and do not sell itĒ? If so, then I think I know why I keep coming back to read you every day.

I doubt thatís where he got it, and I doubt he was attaching any life message to it; Iím the one doing that. What does it mean to me? Itís simple: When you buy, you invest. When you sell, you cash out or quit. I want to always be invested. ďNever celebrate; only win.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 14, 2015, 08:07:07 pm
Ahmad from Woodbury, MN

Vic, whatís worse, watching soccer or pumping gas in sub-zero temperatures? It sure felt like winter is right around the corner this morning.

Letís see, if I watch soccer, Iíll get sick to my stomach, but if I pump gas in 50-below-zero wind chill, I could die. Iíll risk the wind chill.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 14, 2015, 08:36:30 pm

Packers sign TE Justin Perillo to active roster; S Sean Richardson placed on I.R.

Posted 8 hours ago

DB Kyle Sebetic signed to practice squad


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 15, 2015, 07:57:32 pm
(http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2015/07-july/150728-jersey-950.jpg)

New third jersey.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on October 15, 2015, 07:58:13 pm
Better then what they normally wear.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:04:48 pm
Players say they like throw-backs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:05:09 pm
Blair from Los Angeles, CA

Vic, do you think McCarthy and other coaches save their more elaborate plays and schemes for crunch-time December football?

Itís just the opposite. Coaches will always have a surprise play or formation ready for the next game, but late in the season, when the games matter most, they rely on the plays that have worked the best, especially at crunch time in those games. Why? Because itís about execution. Do what you know you can do. Oh, yeah, your opponent knows itís coming, but if he canít stop it, why should you quit doing it? I keep preaching this sermon, but I wonít apologize for repeating it because itís the truth and I desperately want fans to understand and appreciate the true meaning of strategy. Itís about doing what you do best, and itís about matchups. If you like strategy, then focus on matchups. Hereís an example of what I mean: Coach Capers was talking yesterday about pass-rush strategy he uses. He said heíll take his worst pass rusher and put him over the offenseís premier pass blocker, probably the left tackle, with the idea itíll waste the opponentís best pass blocker on a guy who isnít a pass-rush threat. In other words, use a run stuffer on a pass blocker to eat the block and allow the best pass rushers to work against the offenseís less-effective pass blockers. Thatís the kind of strategy I love because it schemes personnel, not schemes. Plays are meaningless if you canít execute them. Plays are wonderful when personnel are matched up to gain an execution advantage. Donít scheme schemes, scheme personnel.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:07:29 pm
Steve from Indialantic, FL

I watch games with my two sons-in-law, both in their early thirties, both avid fans. However, while one is old school, loyal to the core, the other has become a fantasy fan. I watch him as he impressively juggles his two television screens, smartphone and tablet passionately, reacting to the individual player points, regardless of the playerís team or conference. I see how much media time is now devoted to the fantasy fan. Itís the globalization of the individual fan. Is this the future?

Yes, it is the future and I have fallen victim to it, too. Last Saturday, I found myself juggling three college games at one time. I had the TV remote set so I could jump back and forth between two games, and in my other hand I held my phone, which was monitoring the progress of another game. I was manic for information. I was watching three games but wasnít seeing any of them. This has to stop. My Saturdays are out of control.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:10:53 pm
Tristan from Davenport, IA

Whatís your strategy when winning the opening coin flip? I like deferring to get the ball after halftime, but Iím not sure itís rational to turn down a possession.

Iím a defensive guy. I wanna stop you. I wanna stop your run, sack your quarterback, force you to punt and let you know thatís how itís going to be all day. So, I defer.


Agree
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:13:34 pm
Jiri from Fulton, MO

What running play is your favorite? I love trap plays. It makes me sad I donít see them anymore. Do you think we might see them again somewhere in the future?

I love trap plays. What I love most about trap plays is how the back bursts through the line and into the clear. I see a back explode through a big hole and I know instantly it was a trap play. Trap plays are sudden if they catch a lineman penetrating into the backfield. The old rule was: If nobody blocks you, take one step across the line of scrimmage and turn to the inside. Teams still trap. Itís an effective blocking scheme against gap-control defenses, especially against three-technique tackles that are bent on penetrating and disrupting. You can catch that guy up the field as the back runs past him. Trapping the three-technique tackle is also a good way to calm him down and get him out of your backfield. Youíre using his aggressiveness against him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:16:22 pm
Ryan from Franklin, WI

Vic, what has been the reason behind the transformation of the defense this year?

A lot of the defensive talent the Packers have collected is coming into the prime years of their careers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:17:36 pm
Nicholas from Louisville, KY

Vic, do you think Clay Matthews will be in coverage more this week due to Antonio Gates? Thank you for the daily read.

I think Coach Capers is going to open the gates and let all the dogs out.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:19:06 pm
Brian from Albertville, AL

Packers fans are like Alabama fans, they just sit down and expect to see a well-coached team win. Spoiled, arenít they?

It wasnít that many years ago Alabama wasnít winning and times were tough. ďIf you can meet with triumph and disaster, and treat those two impostors just the same.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 08:43:09 pm
The Chargers continue to be banged up on the offensive line with tackle King Dunlap (concussion, out), center Chris Watt (groin, concussion, out), guard D.J. Fluker (ankle, questionable), guard Orlando Franklin (ankle, questionable) and tackle Chris Hairston (ankle, questionable) all on the injury report. Wide receiver Stevie Johnson (hamstring) is doubtful and linebacker Manti Teío (ankel) is questionable. The Packers donít expect to have linebacker Nick Perry (shoulder, hand) and defensive tackle B.J. Raji (groin) after listing them as doubtful. Wide receiver Davante Adams (ankle) and safety Morgan Burnett (calf) are questionable.


Check out Chargers' O-Line injuries.  Good grief!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 10:50:12 pm
(http://media.jrn.com/images/660*474/b99595932z.1_20151013202445_000_gsdcup5c.1-0.jpg)


Christmas tree ornament for those interested.  ;-)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2015, 11:09:52 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRdQIJyWcAAHyTs.jpg)


New GB TE Mitch Henry.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 17, 2015, 10:49:23 pm
Get ready for some overreaction


Nik from Greenville, SC

I live in South Carolina and my wife hates the cold. I turned 40 this year and want to go to Lambeau to tour everything. How late in the year is too cold to keep her happy?

You might want to wait until you turn 41.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 17, 2015, 10:57:46 pm
Isabella from Cologne, Germany

Vic, has Sam Shields always been this good? Or is the defense just clicking, making everyone better?

Heís playing the best football of his life. Shields is, yet, another example of why draft-and-develop works. The Packers discovered him, developed him and then committed to him contractually, and now theyíre reaping the rewards.


I think that as senior  member of the DBs he is striving to be an example of leadership.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 17, 2015, 11:00:37 pm
Chris from Longview, WA

Will the Packers be able to get to Philip Rivers with our pass rush?

It is my expectation the Packers will lead the league in sacks next week.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 17, 2015, 11:03:38 pm
Brett from Des Moines, IA

What will be the treasure of this yearís team? Iím thinking pass rush.

I think the Packers are stepping into the early days of a period of defensive dominance. This is not a snowman. This is a defense built on young speed. It just took some time to put the pieces together.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 18, 2015, 07:03:16 pm
That's closer to losing than I want to come.

When Ty Montgomery left early in the game I began worrying.  Our last healthy starting WR.

When Jeff Janis came in things began to brighten up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 18, 2015, 07:44:27 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Packers-QB-Rodgers-flips-to-WR-Janis-for-33-yards/cde48677-6929-476f-ac61-5749192962cf

Rodgers to Janis.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 18, 2015, 08:08:26 pm
Something seems to be wrong with Lacy.  He isn't doing worth poop.  Starks seems o have mostly replaced him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 05:24:04 pm
How the Green Bay Packersí faithful didnít shut down Twitter on a 46 yard reception to Jeff Janis is mind boggling.

To all the Janis lovers out there, it looks as though he may be earning the trust of Aaron Rodgers. When Ty Montgomery exited the game with an ankle injury, it was almost a foreshadow that Janis would have to get involved.





Green Bay Packers




Lombardi Ave 3h
Green Bay Packers: Sunday's two biggest disappointments

While he only had 2 receptions for 79 yards you could see the speed he possesses. It could be the vertical threat that this offense desires has arrived.

In weeks past the aggressiveness of Janis has gotten him into some trouble. On Sunday he managed to play fast and disciplined in special teams coverageís.

Janis seems to finally be coming on.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 08:28:53 pm
Richard from Madison, CT

Vic, Quinten Rollins intercepts two passes in a game and Damarious Randall has a great last-second pass defensed. Is it too early to say the 2015 draft was a huge success?

The Packers had to replace two cornerbacks. It was a must. I believe they found their guys. You can claim they were need picks and youíd be right, but neither player appears to have been a reach. This teamís acumen for personnel amazes me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 08:30:20 pm
Craig from Brookfield, WI

With the understanding Dom is an innovative genius, and I am but a simple fan, help me understand why our defensive backs were not jamming Riversí receivers at the line of scrimmage to try and throw off the precise timing and fast release of the ball. Were we choosing to allow the 7-yard gains to avoid the 30-yard gains?

You donít need me to explain it at all.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 08:34:35 pm
ďWe bought these?Ē Itís totally useless, but everybody seems to like it.

Dale from Kettering, OH

Field position is treated with contempt now. Would you blame kicking specialization or anti-defense rule changes?

The rules have created a yardage explosion that has effectively turned the whole field into the other side of the 50. Punts are routinely fielded at the 5-yard line now. Itís the new, wide-open game. The league created it because the casual fan wants it. The football puritans, such as myself, have no choice but to accept it and enjoy it, but I really miss the days of field-position football. Thatís why I like bad-weather games. In the wind and cold, every yard is meaningful. I enjoyed Sundayís game, but 503 yards is a long way to go for 20 points. The checkdowns to Danny Woodhead and Brandon Oliver were driving me nuts. I saw it coming a year ago, when the NFL gave us the major emphasis on the chuck rule.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 08:38:36 pm
Steven from Madison, WI

Vic, I had the chance to bring my girlfriend to her first Packers game this weekend. We were in the 700 level seats and had a great view of the last two defensive plays. I saw Clay go over to Randall and tell him he canít leave Woodhead open in the flat. One play later, Randall executed. It was fantastic to see, and something you can only catch if youíre at the game. Do people take plays like this into account when they vote for DPOY?

Unfortunately, they donít. Itís all about splash plays. Clay Matthews will make them and thatís why I think heís the leading candidate for DPOY, but the other stuff he does is just as important. The coaches know. Dom Capers praises Matthews for the instincts he brings to the defense. Iím glad you noticed what he did on Sunday. Thatís what a student of the game does. Thatís when youíre getting your moneyís worth.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 08:40:30 pm
Chuck from Tucson, AZ

We won! Now we rest.

And then it begins.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2015, 08:53:29 pm
Comment From Spencer

Would you ever consider benching Manning with his sub par play this year, even tho the team is undefeated?

Not unless his backup is also going to the Hall of Fame.               
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 21, 2015, 06:02:10 pm
Paul from Verona, WI

You recently stated Rollins and Randall were need picks. After the draft, however, you continuously and wrongfully insisted the Packers draft best available player. Do you owe the non-teacher pets an apology?

Why is it so many fans canít comprehend the concept of BAP and need meeting? Thatís what happened, Paul. BAP doesnít mean drafting someone you donít need. BAP means picking from the top of your board, whether it addresses need or not. I have seen nothing from Damarious Randall or Quinten Rollins that would suggest they werenít at the top of the Packersí board. Thatís what I wrote recently that you failed to understand.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 22, 2015, 09:22:13 pm
Caleb from Eau Claire, WI

Vic, do coaches work the officials before games to try to get certain routes (i.e. rub routes)?

Officials canít be worked. They are reviewed and graded for the calls they make and theyíre not going to allow a coach or player to talk them into a poor decision. Officials can be scouted, however, and Mike McCarthy talked about that on Monday following the Chargers game. He knew Walt Andersonís crew had a reputation for calling them close. Itís part of the pregame scouting process now. If you know a crew calls rub routes closely, then donít push the envelope on rub routes.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 22, 2015, 09:25:35 pm
Greg from Laconia, NH

Does our red zone and third-down efficiency concern you? Last year was not too good, either.

If Eddie Lacy and Davante Adams were healthy, Iíd see reason for concern. Until those two players get back on track, I remain unfazed. The Packers have weathered a storm of injuries. Thatís an achievement, not reason for concern.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 22, 2015, 09:34:47 pm
Aaron from Watertown, N.Y.

When the Packers hired Mike Holmgren were there any other coaches on their radar?

Three weeks lapsed from the time Lindy Infante was fired to when Holmgren was hired, and there were really only two coaches on Ron Wolfís short list: Bill Parcells and Holmgren. The day Wolf fired Infante he told me Parcells, who had been out of coaching in 1991 after winning two Super Bowls with the Giants, would be the first candidate that heíd call. But Parcells had recently undergone a coronary angioplasty and wasnít sure what he wanted to do. Plus, Tampa Bay was pursuing him with a promise of full authority and that was something Wolf wasnít going to give up. The two talked at length about the job, and Wolf told me they eventually met in New Jersey. But I think both men realized all along, things werenít going to work out. In the meantime, Holmgren interviewed on Dec. 29 in Green Bay, a week into the search, and wowed Wolf. From that point forward, Wolf really focused on luring him to Green Bay. But he had to be patient. At least five other teams also were interested in Holmgren. And he had other interviews lined up. There were other assistant coaches that interested Wolf. Steve Sidwell, defensive coordinator in New Orleans, was one. In his book, ďThe Packer Way,Ē Wolf said Kansas City coach Marty Schottenheimer called him and highly recommended Bill Cowher, one of his assistants. I was covering the search for The Milwaukee Journal at the time and John Madden, who had worked with Wolf in Oakland, told me he thought Pete Carroll was a possibility. Wolf came from the N.Y. Jets and Carroll was defensive coordinator there. Neither Cowher nor Carroll were interviewed, but Terry Robiskie, tight ends coach with the L.A. Raiders, was. Wolf also had set up an interview with Chuck Knox in Palm Springs, Calif., the day after Holmgrenís interview, but it was canceled. Knox, who had a .600 winning percentage in 19 years as an NFL head coach, had been recently fired by Seattle. Hiring Holmgren was a coup for Wolf. Pittsburgh, the L.A. Rams, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis and Minnesota either interviewed Holmgren at some point or were scheduled to. If Holmgren had gone elsewhere and all else failed, I recall Wolf telling me back then his fallback candidate was Buddy Ryan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 22, 2015, 10:05:16 pm
Ribert from Harris, MN

No question, just a thanks again for the quote from ďIf.Ē

Hereís another one: ďIf you can make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, and lose, and start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word about your loss.Ē There are no guarantees, folks. If you want to experience the real thrill of victory, you must be willing to lose.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on October 23, 2015, 09:07:04 am
Paul from Verona, WI

You recently stated Rollins and Randall were need picks. After the draft, however, you continuously and wrongfully insisted the Packers draft best available player. Do you owe the non-teacher pets an apology?

Why is it so many fans canít comprehend the concept of BAP and need meeting? Thatís what happened, Paul. BAP doesnít mean drafting someone you donít need. BAP means picking from the top of your board, whether it addresses need or not. I have seen nothing from Damarious Randall or Quinten Rollins that would suggest they werenít at the top of the Packersí board. Thatís what I wrote recently that you failed to understand.


Add me to the BAP failed to understand group:

BAP doesnít mean drafting someone you donít need. BAP means picking from the top of your board, whether it addresses need or not.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 10:33:08 am
No.  You have the option of moving up or down to seek the player you want.  TT does that many times; sometimes several times in one draft.  He has gotten many of his best players that way.  You knew that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 11:04:03 am
Mike from Toluca Lake, CA




After watching this weekís ďWhat You Might Have MissedĒ and reviewing the performance of Datone Jones during the game-saving goal line stand, I think itís becoming obvious Datone has made a jump thus far this season. Do you agree?

I agree, and thatís exactly whatís supposed to happen in the draft-and-develop philosophy. I remember Tony Pauline telling me at the Senior Bowl Jones could play in a two-gapping system, but the Packers would have to be patient with him. The Packers have been patient, and Tony was right.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 11:06:23 am
Ryan from Tempe, AZ

I saw linemen in two-point stances during UCLA vs Cal. The end is near.

Within 10 years.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 11:10:15 am
Nick from Dayton, NV

Vic, do you think the Packers not having Lacy healthy along with Adams is keeping the offense from hitting its stride and performing like weíre used to?

Yes, I do. I believe strongly in the concept of pound and bomb. Eddie Lacy is the Packersí pounder. Davante Adams is expected to be that boundary receiver that stretches the field horizontally and vertically. When they return, the field will open for Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on October 23, 2015, 11:20:58 am
BAP means picking from the top of your board, whether it addresses need or not.

But they almost ALWAYS address need...which means they are not picking from the top of the board.

My point is that teams that spout that they just take the BPA or BAP and not taking need into consideration are full of ****.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 23, 2015, 12:23:08 pm
LOL!  ;D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 05:29:18 pm
This is not that difficult.  Anyone can understand.  You draft a player at a level where he is BPA.  Just trade to get the player you want at a reasonable spot.  Trade down to get a player you want at a  reasonable level by out-foxing other drafters.  If you still don't get it you will have to go through life never understanding. 

Check out TT's drafts.  You see him always trading to get a player he wants at a good level.  That's not easy.

You have a phony  definition for BPA.  That seems to be your problem.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 05:53:36 pm
Comment From Jeremy

I'm just gonna keep sending the same question.

OK.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 23, 2015, 05:54:32 pm
Comment From Marc

Vic, times almost up and once again you've you ducked all my questions !

I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 24, 2015, 05:40:14 pm
Damarious Randall named Clutch Performer of Week

Packers CB declared winner based on fan voting


Damarious Randall denies Chargers of late score has been voted the NFL CLUTCH PERFORMER OF THE WEEK for Week 6, the NFL announced today.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 25, 2015, 10:38:12 pm
Here are the teams who have been most banged up so far this season.


1. Green Bay Packers

When Jordy Nelson blew out his knee in the preseason, it was almost a guarantee that the Packers' offense would have to change. Without his best deep-threat receiver, quarterback Aaron Rodgers has not thrown the ball downfield as much. In his first seven years as a starter, Rodgers averaged 2.1 pass attempts per game that traveled 30 or more yards in the air, according to ESPN Stats & Information. This season, he has averaged just one per game and has had two games where he didn't attempt any. It's not just Nelson, either. The Packers have played half of their games without Davante Adams, who was expected to replace Nelson as that deep threat. -- Rob Demovsky
Players out for season: WR Jordy Nelson (knee), LB Sam Barrington (foot), DE Josh Boyd (ankle), S Sean Richardson (neck)
Players injured: TE Andrew Quarless (knee), S Morgan Burnett (calf), WR Davante Adams (ankle), OT Bryan Bulaga (knee), OLB Nick Perry (shoulder/hand), NT B.J. Raji (groin)
Total starts missed: 78 -- Nelson (16), Barrington (15), Boyd (14), Richardson (13), Quarless (7), Burnett (5), Adams (3), Bulaga (3), Perry (1), Raji (1)


4. Chicago Bears

The Bears have been ravaged by injuries through six games, most notably to quarterback Jay Cutler and wide receiver Alshon Jeffery. Backup quarterback Jimmy Clausen struggled to move the football after Cutler went down with a strained hamstring in Week 2. Cutler's injury forced him to miss the second half of Chicago's game against Arizona, plus the next week at Seattle. The Bears lost both games. Jeffery, meanwhile, sat out four straight weeks due to his own hamstring problem before he returned last week. Without Jeffery in the lineup, Cutler experienced difficulty stretching the field. -- Jeff Dickerson
Players out for the season: S Ryan Mundy (hip), C Will Montgomery (fibula), DE Ego Ferguson (knee), RB Jacquizz Rodgers (arm), DE Cornelius Washington (quadriceps)
Players injured: WR Kevin White (leg), WR Alshon Jeffery (hamstring), T Jermon Bushrod (concussion/shoulder), CB Tracy Porter (hamstring), S Antrel Rolle (ankle), QB Jay Cutler (hamstring), LB Shea McClellin (knee), P Pat O'Donnell (knee), DT Jeremiah Ratliff (ankle), WR Eddie Royal (ankle), CB Alan Ball (groin), DE Will Sutton (elbow), OLB Jonathan Bostic (ankle/traded to New England), G Patrick Omameh (ankle)
Total starts missed: 61 -- Mundy (16), Montgomery (12), Ferguson (11), White (6), Jeffery (4), Bushrod (3), Porter (2), Rolle (2), Cutler (1), McClellin (1), O'Donnell (1), Ratliff (1), Royal (1)




T-32. Seattle Seahawks

Running back Marshawn Lynch (hamstring) missed back-to-back games for the first time, but he returned last week. The Seahawks have struggled to close out games both with and without Lynch on the field. It's tough to make too much of his absence considering backup Thomas Rawls averaged 5.7 yards per carry on 59 attempts. Other than Lynch, the only true starters who have missed time are middle linebacker Bobby Wagner (strained pectoral) and nose tackle Brandon Mebane (groin). The Seahawks definitely missed Wagner down the stretch last week during their meltdown against the Panthers, but he's expected back either this week or next. Mebane only missed one game. -- Sheil Kapadia
Players out for season: CB Tharold Simon (toe)
Players injured: CB Marcus Burley (thumb), RB Marshawn Lynch (hamstring), DT Brandon Mebane (groin), LB Bobby Wagner (pec), TE Luke Willson (back), DL Frank Clark (hamstring), DT Jordan Hill (quad), LB Brock Coyle (knee), LB Mike Morgan (hamstring), LB Nick Moody (ankle), S Steven Terrell (hip), CB Tye Smith (hip), DT Demarcus Dobbs (shoulder)
Total starts missed: 6 -- Burley (2), Lynch (2), Mebane (1), Wagner (1)


Sad season for Chi and GB injuries again this season.  Lucky Seattle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 26, 2015, 09:37:52 pm


Jason from Valparaiso, IN

Tom Brady seems to be playing at a high level despite being 37 years old. Barring a major injury, do you foresee Rodgers being able to do the same?

Yes, I do, and I think weíre going to see a lot of quarterbacks play longer than is normally expected. I watched a lot of college football on Saturday. Where is the next generation of NFL quarterbacks? I donít see them. I donít see a quarterback in college football this year I would regard as a true first-overall-pick kind of player.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 26, 2015, 10:01:29 pm


Brian from Albertville, AL

Even at 6-0, those last 10 games seem a lot more formidable than before the season started, donít they?

Think of the season as an investment. The more you win, the more invested you are, and the more invested you are, the more you worry about your investment.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 27, 2015, 05:10:55 am

Jason from Valparaiso, IN

Tom Brady seems to be playing at a high level despite being 37 years old. Barring a major injury, do you foresee Rodgers being able to do the same?

Yes, I do, and I think weíre going to see a lot of quarterbacks play longer than is normally expected. I watched a lot of college football on Saturday. Where is the next generation of NFL quarterbacks? I donít see them. I donít see a quarterback in college football this year I would regard as a true first-overall-pick kind of player.

Everyone clamoring for a QB early in the draft next year... let that sink in.  QBs are playing longer, and we may have 6 more years of Rodgers at his peak.  And the next generation not looking so great
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on October 27, 2015, 09:27:09 am

Bears just need to follow the Pack and draft the BAP which is not to be confused with the BPA.  Best Available Player means you draft the best player at your biggest need.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on October 27, 2015, 09:44:41 am
Everyone clamoring for a QB early in the draft next year... let that sink in.  QBs are playing longer, and we may have 6 more years of Rodgers at his peak.  And the next generation not looking so great


One hit can change everything. Ya just never know..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on October 27, 2015, 11:00:12 am
I think the key is not to reach for need and if a player is there that is ranked high above the others whether there is a need or not.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on October 27, 2015, 01:12:47 pm

Agreed, the key is not to reach but need always comes into play.

Actually, the most important aspect of any team's draft is before the actual picks are made.  It's the process of ranking the best players at the top of each team's board.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 08:29:38 pm
Packers return to practice after week of rest, rehab
 For the Packers, the week off was as much about healing as anything else. The Packers saw many of their injured players back on the practice field Monday, including Morgan Burnett.


;-)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 08:37:05 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y1uINZoDZE

New Packers fan?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 09:18:27 pm
Wesley from York, UK

Vic, how good can Teddy Bridgewater become? I liked him coming out of college and now with Peterson back and a strong defense, it looks like the pieces of the puzzle might be falling into place for the Vikings.

I agree. The Vikings are formidable.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 09:20:32 pm
Gladdys from Rolling Meadows, IL

Vic, the answer to Dan from Prior Lakeís question about the Packersí needs in the 2016 draft depends largely on which players the Packers lose in free agency next year.

Thereís some truth to that, but I submit that should the Packers allow players to leave in free agency, it would suggest they are confident in their ability to replace them.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 09:23:57 pm
Ryan from Denver, CO

Packers fans in Colorado are assembling. Ticket prices are through the roof. I realize Packers fans travel well regardless, but with all respect to Broncos fans, this has a feeling of an evenly split crowd Sunday night. Give the ball to Kuhn a couple of times in the first quarter and let the home team feel the Packers fan thunder!

I got an email yesterday from NBC: ďAaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning meet in historic battle of unbeaten this week on NBCís Sunday Night Football.Ē The hype has begun. This could be the biggest game in the history of the world.

I don't think so.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 09:35:51 pm
Angelo from Lakewood, CO

Given the stats Rivers threw at the Packers, what chance is there against a better quarterback, Manning, who is even faster in getting passes off?

I think the Packers have a chance to win the game.


At this particular period in time I doubt that Manning is a better QB than Rivers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 09:43:45 pm
(https://nflcompackers.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/151026-pack-broncos2.jpg?w=467&h=472)

Broncos's new jersey for the GB game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 27, 2015, 10:10:44 pm
Green Bay Packers Verified account  ‏@packers  ∑ 13h13 hours ago 
ICYMI: The #Packers defense has climbed to No. 1 in the NFL (16.8 points per game): http://pack.rs/3wolf 

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 28, 2015, 03:51:10 pm
Brian from Green Bay, WI

Vic, Iím not a fantasy football guy, so perhaps my opinion is tainted. I am curious how you see the Fan Duels and other non-gambling fantasy sites. My gut tells me these sites are not healthy for our country or for football. Thoughts?

I have no interest in them and pay absolutely no attention to them. I wasnít even aware they were fantasy sites. Fantasy football is driving football popularity as nothing ever has. Itís good for the game, but Iím sad the fantasy players wonít experience football as I have. For me, football is a noble endeavor. For me, football is romantic in how men sacrifice themselves for something as unimportant as a game. But itís not just a game for those men. Football is a proving ground. Itís where they go to feel good about themselves. It was that way for me as a boy, and itís still where I go to feel good. I am married to football, not to the stats, but to the struggle. The greater the struggle, the more I love football, and the stronger my bond with it grow.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 28, 2015, 03:52:14 pm
Joe from Saint Paul, MN

Favre outplayed Elway. Packers still lost.

The Broncos ran the ball and got it done at crunch time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 28, 2015, 03:55:57 pm
Jerry from Wausau, WI

What do you think the Packers will do on Sunday night as far as a game plan?

I think theyíll try to mix run and pass. Itís tough to go open throttle at that altitude. No-huddle offense can gas a team. Controlling the tempo is important. Run a little, pass a little, huddle and use the play clock.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 28, 2015, 08:13:42 pm
Matt from Grand Rapids, MI

Vic, the Packers are built for long-term success, always relying on the young players to make plays and rarely looking outside the organization for quick fixes. The Packers have been good because of it for a long time. My question, to exaggerate it a bit, is it better to make the playoffs 20 years in a row or to win the Super Bowl three times in four years and spend 15 years trying to just return to playoffs?

Where do you sign up for that program? Do you call the NFL and agree to not be a playoff contender for 15 years if the NFL will give you three Super Bowl titles? The goal of every season is to make it into the postseason. I donít ever want to give away a season to non-contention. Put me down for the 20 years in a row. Iíll take my chances.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 11:29:52 am
Packers receiver Davante Adams aims to return to field Sunday
 Davante Adams says his injured left ankle is feeling better to the point where he hopes to return to the field Sunday against the Denver Broncos.
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 11:32:10 am
Packers' James Starks out with hip injury
 Green Bay Packers running back James Starks missed his second day of practice this week on Wednesday with a hip injury that he suffered against San Diego, coach Mike McCarthy said

Seems like a curse.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on October 29, 2015, 11:52:45 am

Oh my the Packer are so cursed!

Your 6-0 and you still don't have a clue to what the major reason is behind your success.

Plug in Lacy...oh that was hard.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 12:11:33 pm

The Green Bay Packers practiced Wednesday without running back James Starks, who had Green Bayís first 100-yard game of the season against the San Diego Chargers on Oct. 17.

It just continues/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 12:13:08 pm
Packers-Broncos tickets are reaching insane prices

From FanSided

Ticket prices for this Sunday's game between the Denver Broncos and the Green Bay Packers are...Read post Ľ

According to The Denver Post, tickets for the game are selling for more than $3,000.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 09:28:51 pm
<img src=http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2015/10-october/151026-cliff- blog-snake-950.jpg>


1919.  Menominie North End Athletic Clu 0, GB Packers 53.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 09:40:19 pm
Vic, can this one game, since it is after the bye, on the road, against an uncommon opponent, with a top-ranked defense and a Hall of Fame quarterback, tell us any more about this team than any other game on any given weekend?

Is it a measuring stick game? It could be, depending on what happens in the remainder of the season. The Patriots game last year was a measuring stick game, and that is its lasting value. The Broncos are an outstanding team and Denver is a tough place to play. A win over the Broncos on their home field would say a lot about the Packers, and almost certainly the Packers would be measured by that victory. A loss? It wouldnít impact my opinion of the Packers in any way; thatís where the measuring would stop. I know what I see. This is a championship-caliber team that has room to grow, and thatís what I like best about it. Late in the season, the things on which we are obsessing now will become strengths of this team. I believe that because Iíve never known a better fix-it coach than Coach McCarthy. Letís enjoy this Sundayís game for what it is, a high-profile event to which fans and media are going to attach too much importance.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 09:47:01 pm
Darren from Mackinaw, IL

Other than injuries having an extra week to heal, in what way do teams improve most having an extra seven days in the middle of the season?

Itís about recovery and focus. There isnít one player or coach on the Packersí roster who was born and raised in Green Bay. They all have family somewhere else. In many cases, they have homes somewhere else. The bye allows them to go home and address issues, put their mind at ease and return to Green Bay with a sharp focus and singleness of purpose: win.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 10:23:14 pm
Peter from Polonia, WI

You always say itís players, not plays. How does coaching staff leaving for different teams play into that?

They know your personnel. They know its weaknesses. You do everything you can to hide your personnelís weaknesses. Thatís why I donít like trading for players. The team with whom youíre trading knows the weaknesses of the player for whom youíre trading. They did everything they could to hide his weaknesses from you. Soon, youíll find out what they are.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 10:29:20 pm
Kirsten from Madison, WI

ďItís not college footballís fault. Itís just the college game doesnít translate to the pro game.Ē Why not?

Itís a different game. For starters, there are practice restrictions. In recent years, there was a 20-hour limit on time players could spend on football every week. College teams spend a fraction of the preparation time NFL teams do, plus, they only have their players for three or four years. Larry Fitzgerald and LeSean McCoy left after two years. Coaches canít wait for development time. Theyíve got to plug their best players in immediately and, as it pertains to quarterbacks, that means finding a way to make them a runner. Drop-back-and-run is a whole lot easier to execute than stand in the pocket, read the defense, go through your progressions, etc. As General Lee said, ďThere is no time for this.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 10:39:45 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Julius-Peppers-Manning-is-still-the-same-guy/b22fc060-22aa-4120-8bad-854a1357264c


Julius' personality seems to have changed since his move to GB.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 29, 2015, 10:59:53 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Packers-Live-with-Ty-Montgomery/b21a6ba9-182e-4cff-a046-66285b4ce49c



Love rookie KR/WR Ty Montgomery.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on October 30, 2015, 06:45:55 am
My question would be how does the CBA in pro ball affect the play, i.e. limiting practices.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2015, 09:34:35 am

Love rookie KR/WR Ty Montgomery.

Ty Montgomery is a nice kick returner but is averaging only 9 yards a reception.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 31, 2015, 07:44:11 pm
Al from Mountain Lakes, NJ

Vic, I miss watching NFL highlights with all the music in the background, like in the í70s. Wouldnít this be marketable for todayís fan? I say itís time to bring it back.

Youíre describing the romance era of the NFL: John
 Facendaís voice mouthing Lombaaaaardi, a ball spiraling in slow motion to the strains of a symphony orchestra. Facenda made ice feel warm. I can still remember my favorite NFL Films episodes from that era: the magic bean, the ďIfĒ production, and the violent world of Bill Saul, the first player to be miked up for a game. These wonderful video productions sold professional football to America, helped make it our new national pastime. I think the romance era ended in the í90s with free agency, the salary cap, expansion and new stadium construction. All of that began what I would call the revenue era. Now, weíre in the analysis era. If John Facendaís voice was put to todayís highlights, he might say ďthe Packers won with an inventive cover two defense with man under principle, and a neatly conceived wheel-route reception.Ē Oh, John, tell me more. Change is constant.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 31, 2015, 07:55:06 pm

Noor from International, Indonesia

Vic, when was the last time you felt excited or upset over a football game? Do you miss being a fan rooting for a team? Or am I going to be banned?

Iíve never felt worse covering a football game than I did in the final minutes of last Januaryís NFC title game in Seattle. I kept thinking to myself, ďThose poor people.Ē Iím referring to Packers fans. Now youíre banned.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 31, 2015, 07:58:22 pm
Randy from Lakewood Ranch, FL

The Oregon defense was on the field for over 100 plays last night. Have you ever heard of that?

I donít believe I have, but this is exactly what I meant this past summer when I referred to the way the Eagles play as the offense of the future. I wasnít referring to the Eagles as the offense of the future, I was referring to the high volume of plays and the reliance on matchups as the offense of the future. Just as I wrote a few years ago that the day of the 6,000-yard passer is approaching, I believe the day of 90 plays or more in a game is on the way, too. Itís refreshing to see defense can still win in this league, but it wonít last. The league will always favor offense, and the fan will always want more yards, more plays and more points.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on October 31, 2015, 08:29:47 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-locker-room-report/article-1/Packers-defense-striving-for-next-level/4e962b30-fec9-4443-9413-da6ba16af270

Peppers' philosophy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 01, 2015, 08:17:48 pm
That Peckers defense is something special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on November 01, 2015, 08:38:09 pm
Keep your carpi pants on beerbelly.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 01, 2015, 09:41:31 pm
That peckers D is something special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 01, 2015, 09:48:15 pm
Do the Broncos rack up 600 or 700 yards?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 01, 2015, 09:49:27 pm
I don't recognize these  players.  I think the wrong guys got off the bus in Denver.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 01, 2015, 09:58:31 pm
Wow, so much for the Pakers. They are getting beat every which way and Rodgers ends up looking out his earhole, lol. He'll be lucky to survive this game intact...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 01, 2015, 10:11:56 pm
Of course they're not going to give him forward progress! He fumbled the freaking ball and had to recover it himself!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 01, 2015, 10:16:48 pm
Sporty, you have to understand normally they get that call.  They are shocked they didn't get it.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 01, 2015, 10:25:35 pm
77 yards passing for Rogers.

Denver is the first quality team the Peckers have played.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 01, 2015, 10:36:20 pm
The  Packers D is not good.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:18:42 am
That Peckers D is something special.

Denver O was not very good....until today,
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:23:05 am
Julia Peppers showed up tonight. We saw that a lot with the Bear his last year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 02, 2015, 01:07:58 am

Where's Otto?  No clever comments tonight?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on November 02, 2015, 09:26:29 am
The Packers are 6-1.

I'm not worried.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 02, 2015, 10:39:03 am

The Packers were the co-champs of September and October.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:45:55 pm
Peckers did not play anyone before last night. Easy schedule.

Otto'd your might Peckers 140 yards total offense....that's special. Rogers with a robust 70 yards passing.

Get a good D on the Peckers and they fold. Carolina has a great D....same thing in 2 weeks.

Peckers D gave up 500 yards to a really bad Denver O...Denver's QB through 7 games now has 7 TD and 10 interceptios - QB rating 75...they Denver's D has struggled all year.....yet...

THE DENVER O RAN UP 500 yards on the special Peckers D. Brilliant.

Wait till next year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:47:26 pm
Even the Bears ran up 402 yards on the special Peckers D.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:49:31 pm
San Diego 548 yards....SD should have won that one.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:55:44 pm
Even lowly St. Louis ran up more yards than the Peckers in a loss.

"On defense, the Packers laid a second straight egg after allowing 548 yards two weeks ago in a 27-20 victory over the San Diego Chargers, another AFC West team."
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 02, 2015, 12:57:03 pm
Over a two-game stretch the Green Bay Packers have allowed the San Diego Chargers and Denver Broncos to roll up 1,048 yards.

To put that in perspective, it's just 780 yards fewer than the Broncos have given up in seven games this season. It was four games into the season before the Broncos gave up 1,000 yards.

The bad part is that this isn't the first time Dom Capers' defense has allowed 1,000 yards over a two-game span.

It has happened three times before.

2013 - A tie against Minnesota (447) at Lambeau Field and a loss in Detroit (561) totaled 1,008.
2012-'13 - Consecutive losses in San Francisco, a divisional playoff game (579) and a Week 1 loss (494) totaled 1,073.
2011 - Consecutive victories at home over Chicago (441) and Detroit (575) in Weeks 16 and 17 resulted in 1,016.
In both the victory over San Diego and loss to Denver, the Packers allowed at least 500 yards.

They have now allowed 500 yards in seven games under Capers. They are:

500, at Denver, Week 8, 2015
548, San Diego, Week 6, 2015
561, at Detroit, Week 13, 2013
579, at San Francisco, divisional round, 2012
575, Detroit, Week 17, 2011
531, at Arizona, divisional round, 2009
537, at Pittsburgh, Week 15, 2009
The Packers did not allow any 500-yard games last year, but they came close twice, allowing 496 at Chicago in Week 4 and 495 at New Orleans in Week 8.

The Packers did not give up a 500-yard game during their Super Bowl XLV season in 2010. In fact, they only gave up 400 yards twice in 20 games.

The loss to the Broncos Sunday night was a good example of how teams occassionally get Capers' number and exploit some of the things he likes to do on defense. Capers has a lot of confidence in his cornerbacks and safeties and often requires them to play man-to-man coverage.

It's no different than what Wade Phillips asked of his defense in the same game. But when it was clear that plan wasn't working, the Packers and Capers never recovered.

"We knew they were a man defense and all week were saying, 'We've got to beat man,'" said tight end Virgil Green, who caught three passes for 61 yards. "And everybody did that tonight."

Once the Broncos showed they could run the ball, Green said, they were able to get more man coverage against a safety because the Packers needed to devote more people to stopping the run.

"A lot of those crossing routes you could just see the man coverage with a single safety," Green said. "You give those guys a move at the line of scrimmage then you've got a chance. I think everybody did a great job, not just in the passing game, but in the running game as well."

And the Packers, with Sam Shields and Quinten Rollins in the locker room with shoulder injuries and LaDarius Gunter inactive, were unable to use extra cornerbacks to take over those assignments. They won't face the same level of talent at wide receiver next week against Carolina, but tight end Greg Olsen will present a huge challenge.

Capers and his staff have six days to get things right.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on November 02, 2015, 03:42:25 pm
2-5
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 02, 2015, 06:26:43 pm
70 passing yards
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 03, 2015, 09:09:51 am

You have to use a bigger font so Otto can see.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on November 04, 2015, 10:04:52 am
Stats are for losers. The only stat that matters is they have six wins. They only need about 4 more to make the playoffs. We have 2 wins and struggling not to get the #1 pick in the draft.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 04, 2015, 12:22:32 pm
Ask the Cubs if they regret having top draft picks the past few years...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 04, 2015, 04:04:24 pm
1078 yards by the Peckers D the last 2 games...here come the Panthers.

That Peckers D is something special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 04, 2015, 04:18:50 pm

Yes, wins are the most important stat, but I was amazed that the vaunted Packer offense led by Rodgers is 28th (in yardage) in the NFL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 08:29:11 pm
The GB Packers will win the SB this year, ye of little faith.  The sick will heal and the young will mature.  Hot in December.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 08:48:56 pm
Anthony from Durham, UK

Did you expect the Packers to struggle at wide receiver as much as they have without Nelson?

When the Packers lost Jordy Nelson, if you had told me through seven games Davante Adams would have 10 catches for 100 yards and no touchdowns, I wouldíve told you the Packers would miss Nelson as much as it appears they have. Adams was to be Nelsonís replacement. Adams is supposed to be the boundary receiver Nelson has been. Adams is supposed to be the back-shoulder fade receiver. I thought Nelsonís injury was going to result in Adamsí emergence as a star, but most of his season to date has been lost to injury, so the Packers have had to replace two of their top three receivers, and thatís too much for most teams to overcome. The Packers need Adams to get healthy and be the player they know he can be.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 08:59:59 pm
Brian from Maple Grove, MN

Vic, itís really frustrating to get excited about having most of our starters healthy, only to lose 2-3 each game like we did against the Broncos, losing two of our key defensive backs and were lucky not to lose Matthews. I know itís next man up but donít you think when you lose starters your talent is just not up to par to compete?

Injuries are the top story in nearly every city in the league. Thatís the way it is in this league these days. Injuries were the top story throughout the preseason, and theyíre the top story in the regular season. How many times did you see a highlight of LeíVeon Bell injuring his knee this past Sunday? Yeah, itís reached the point that injuries are highlights. I donít know what the league can do to address this issue, but something has to be done. In my opinion, the twist-down tackle is wreaking havoc on knees. When the game was played with hips and shoulders, players went to the ground more suddenly, cleanly. Now, with the game being played with the hands and feet, players are being screwed into the ground. Once upon a time, tackling was all about leverage. Under and up were the words. Defenders were instructed to strike the rising blow. Now, defenders are coming in high and pushing the ball carrier down, which means the knees are absorbing a lot of weight and torque. Lombardi said everybodyís grabbing out there. Heís right, but nowadays itís acceptable tackling technique. I think the rules of the game are in desperate need of revision.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 09:02:01 pm
Trevor from Wausau, WI

What effect, if any, will Carolina having to play an overtime game on a short week play into Sundayís game?

Itís a challenge theyíll have to overcome, but I think we need to get an appreciation right now for what the Packers are going to be facing in Charlotte on Sunday. This could be the biggest regular-season game in Panthers history. The Panthers are 7-0 and about to host the 13-time, world-champion Green Bay Packers. Remember last yearís game at Lambeau? That ainít gonna help matters. What did Coach McCarthy say last week about a tough stretch of schedule? Frankly, the whole rest of the season looks like a tough stretch of schedule. I think we need to get our heads out of the clouds and begin thinking about the next game, instead of the next Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 09:06:55 pm
Alex from Madison, WI

I really miss seeing the back-shoulder throw, the play-action followed by the head **** for a deep bomb, the comeback with a juke for extra yardage, the quick slant that goes for 20-plus yards. Will we see these again this year?

Yes, as soon as we see the Eddie Lacy makes road kill of small defensive back again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 09:09:17 pm
Ross from Hudson, WI

What are the odds if the Packers are held to 50 plays again Mike takes back play-calling?

Itís always about the plays and the play-calling, isnít it? The team that won on Sunday night was beautifully basic. Clay Matthews left the game with an injury, and on the next play the Broncos ran the ball where Matthews wouldíve been for a 28-yard touchdown. Everything the Broncos did was about attacking personnel.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2015, 09:11:43 pm


Thomas from Stevens Point, WI

It takes a man to stand up and admit defeat and take full responsibility for the loss. McCarthy is a terrific coach and leader of men this team is fortunate to have. Given players, not plays, why are teams so quick to fire the head coach?

Teams donít fire the head coach. The fans and the media fire the head coach.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 05, 2015, 07:26:26 am
Without Rodgers, McCarthy would be saying 'would you like fries with that?'....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 08:52:39 pm
I doubt that GB can beat Carolina Sunday.  They have too many injuries and the young players haven't developed fully, yet.  Ass the season wears on the injured will heal and the youngsters will gain the experience to mature.  When th eend of the season I expect GB to qualify for the playoffs and beat those teams they can't seem to beat now in the playoffs.

Also, lets not forget the GB team that had a 15- 1 season record for a #1 seed.   In the playoffs they lost the very first game to a #6 seeded NYG.

Oh, yeah, let's not forget the 2011 SB when the GB Packers barely squeaked into the #6 seed when the team got hot at the end of the season.  They won 4 straight games against teams they couldn't beat earlier and went home with a SB win. GB has the talent to do that, again.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 09:39:15 pm
Comment From john

did jordy nelson really draw enough attention to free up everyone else or is something else not working here?

It's not just Jordy Nelson. The Packers have also been playing without Davante Adams and Ty Montgomery.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 09:45:51 pm
Comment From Jeff

What if the offense is under 200 yards again?

Keep working at it. What's the option? Folks, never have an attitude that you're above losing. Nobody is above losing.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 09:50:15 pm
Comment From Joseph

So the fast start was a good thing, I think ?

Sure it is, but when are you allowed to have a slow time? December? Fast start was Coach McCarthy's way of setting a tone for training camp. Just get me to December in playoff contention. Then get hot and hot will take care of the rest. If you don't get hot, it won't matter anyhow.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 09:53:15 pm
Comment From Scott H.

A guy like say Paul Kruger

OK, now the question is at what cost? A draft pick? No, I like draft picks, and I like the guys I drafted. They'll improve. You have to have that kind of belief in your players. You have to be stubborn about their development, or draft and develop won't work. What I've sensed in my inbox this week is a whole lot of people who want to change. Do this today, do that tomorrow; change, change, change. That won't work. That's weakness and weakness is a loser.             
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 09:54:18 pm
Comment From Salvador

Would you agree that the Packers have too much talent on offense to keep them contained again?

I agree the Packers have too much talent on offense for this team to play at the past two games' level over an extended period of time. I can't tell you how long a slump will last. You're asking for a prediction for this week. I don't do those because I'm unable to do those.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 10:27:43 pm
Kyle from Cambridge, MN

Vic, you preach players, not plays, and that you have to win your one-on-ones. In most respects, I agree, but often times, from my perspective, youíre so anti-scheme you forget the coach is part of the team and he has to win his one-on-one as well.

Coach McCarthy has won his one-on-one six times. Heís the finest strategy head coach I have ever covered, and that includes Coach Noll, who was the worst strategy head coach Iíve ever covered, which is probably why he was the best head coach Iíve ever covered.

Sam from Fruita, CO

You have said repeatedly this is an edge game. Do you see more of an edge emerging this week?

If youíre asking me if the Packers will be ready to play on Sunday, the answer is yes.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2015, 10:36:32 pm
Mike from Hampton, VA

Bill in Idaho had a good question and you gave him a glib answer. The Patriots are 7-0 and blowing away the competition, so us beating them last season means squat right now. His question was and is valid. With our receivers unable to beat the coverage, crossing routes, pick routes and slants are called for. Itís arrogant to ignore that when what you are doing isnít working. In-game adjustments are just as important as overall game planning.

OK, letís do the long answer. The Packers run crossing routes, pick routes and slants. Ty Montgomery, for example, scored on a pick-type route on the goal line. Slants need to be kept to a minimum because throwing low-trajectory passes over the line of scrimmage and into the most congested part of the field carry with them a high incidence of interception. Aaron Rodgersí first interception at Lambeau Field since Bing Crosby tap-danced with Danny Kaye was the result of a low-trajectory pass that was deflected and intercepted by linebacker James Laurinaitis; it was intended for Richard Rodgers on a short pass to the right. What Peter King is describing goes beyond crossing routes, pick routes and slants. Heís talking about those routes as they would pertain to heavy-congestion route trees, which are the flavor of the year in the NFL. The Chargers are masters of heavy-congestion route trees. They run a basketball-type pick play in which one receiver stops a couple of yards from the line of scrimmage, turns and puts up his hands as though the pass will be intended for him, and then another receiver runs underneath him, forcing the defender covering that receiver to veer away from the receiver. I think that particular type of pick play is a terrible violation of the spirit of the rules and should be outlawed. The Packers do a little bit of all of that kind of stuff, but they donít do nearly as much of it as the Chargers do. The Packers (6-1) are a spacing team. They like to create open spaces for their receivers to win their one-on-ones. If you like scheme offense, the Chargers (2-6) are your team. They run a pick-heavy pass offense. One of San Diegoís touchdown passes Ė I think it was the one to Ladarius Green Ė was the result of a pick play that caused Micah Hyde to run into a teammate and fall down. So why doesnít every team run these heavy-congestion routes on every down? Because they work against man coverage, but not against zone. Itís just a matter of time before the teams playing against these heavy-congestion teams will play zone exclusively, and heavy-congestion route trees will lose their flavor. I asked Dom Capers about the pick craze and he said the counter to it is being able to play zone and man with equal effectiveness. When a defense can do that, it can dictate to the offense. The Packers are a man-heavy defense. Wasnít that an exciting tutorial? I must thank Peter the next time I see him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 10:12:11 am
Jim from Des Peres, MO

It was an exciting tutorial and excellent, at that, but it didnít answer Mikeís last point: Why not change something that isnít working? Always change a losing game.

There are two answers to that question Ė hey, I didnít want one question and answer to use up the whole column. Thereís the logical answer, and then thereís the philosophical answer. Logical Ė The Packers were 6-0. Why would you change something that helped make you undefeated? Philosophical Ė This is who we are and this is what we do. It is our identity, and no one will force us to abandon our identity or our commitment to it. Jim, if a team changes game to game, half to half according to its opponent, then its opponent is making the teamís game plan. This is part of the ďdonít take what they give you, take what you wantĒ philosophy. Itís not just about calling plays, itís about doing something so well it canít be stopped. The Packers sweep is an example of that. It was something on which Lombardiís teams could depend. Great teams have that kind of identity. The Packersí way of playing offense has helped Aaron Rodgers win two MVPs in the last four years. It has given the Packers a reputation for being one of the most prolific offenses in football. That success is built on belief.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 10:13:25 am
asper from Langeskov, WI

Vic, the Vikings are 5-2 and, at this point, a real threat in the NFC North, but they seem a little bland. They donít get as much media attention as many other teams. Why do you think that is?

Itís because theyíre on the way up. We tend to identify the teams on the way up later than we should, and hang onto the teams headed down longer than we should.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 10:47:00 am

 Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood  ∑ Nov 5 
#Packers WR coach Alex Van Pelt said Randall Cobb is "feeling better than heís felt all year" starting season with sprained shoulder.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 10:56:59 am

 Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood  ∑ Nov 2 
Through 7 games, Eddie Lacy on pace for 681 yards with fewer than 5 TDs and 180 carries. Biggest problem for #Packers offense right now


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 11:02:29 am

 Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood  ∑ Nov 1 
So that's what the #Packers defense looks like without Clay Matthews in the middle of it, if you were curious.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 11:05:23 am

 Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood  ∑ Nov 1 
#Packers CBs Sam Shields and Quinten Rollins are out with shoulder injuries. So secondary is undermanned vs. Peyton Manning in 2nd half.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 11:39:49 am

  Randall Liu  ‎@RLiuNFL 

Packers will be 3rd team in @NFL history to play teams 6-0 or better in consecutive games (1934 DET & 2004 PIT)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 07, 2015, 08:31:24 pm
Three players have been downgraded to doubtful: Receiver Ty Montgomery (ankle), cornerback Quinten Rollins (neck), and cornerback Sam Shields (shoulder; pictured).

All three had been listed as questionable on Friday.

Also, three players have been added to the report. Tackle Bryan Bulaga (knee) is probable, as is guard T.J. Lang (illness). Linebacker Mike Neal (hip) is questionable

Another "oh ****" injury report.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 12:42:38 pm
That pecker's D is something special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 12:49:09 pm
They actually called holding on the peckers? 3 guys were holding on that play. Crazy. Peckers O line holds all game long. Well known.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 12:55:12 pm
How in the hell is that not pass interference on that Puker corner?!? That guy was all the heck over that receiver on that deep ball, grabbing him, hanging on him and they did not call it. Sick and f'ing tired of seeing that crap with these Pukers. The replay showed it as clear as a bell, the guy was hanging all over the receiver....no call....what bs. They still scored, so F the Puke.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 12:59:28 pm
Surprised they didn't call interference on that Rodgers deep ball.....ridiculous...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 01:00:48 pm
On the 52 yard pass to Devin Funchess massive amounts of pass interference and no call. Peckers have gotten away with a lot of penalties for a long time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 01:03:27 pm
Sportster - agreed Peckers CB mugged the guy. Peckers continually get away with a lot.

Rules do not apply to the Peckers.

That one holding call they showed a replay and ALL three Peckers lineman were holding.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 01:12:08 pm
Tillman with the peanut punch!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 01:12:09 pm
AGAIN, how the hell was that not grounding by Rodgers?? His azz is grass, and he tosses it to the ground left handed. W T F. This is total bs. Any other f'ing QB and that's intentional grounding.....tired of this bs...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 01:13:09 pm
That's a quality peckers team....said no one.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 01:17:14 pm
This is a thing of beauty....go PANTHERS!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on November 08, 2015, 01:17:46 pm
Packers looking like ****!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 01:22:32 pm
Apparently James Jones has come back to earth and reality.

Peckers play a good team and we see who they really are.

AND Newton has been, over all, pretty bad, especially on the short passes.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 01:23:31 pm
Panthers going for 50?

That Peckers D is something special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 01:23:47 pm
GO PANTHERS! Enjoying this immensely, lol.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on November 08, 2015, 01:24:57 pm
Ass kickin!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on November 08, 2015, 01:31:59 pm
Finny ****!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on November 08, 2015, 01:36:31 pm
Peppers=crybaby
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 01:58:03 pm
More BS....sidelines motioning for a TO and of course, didn't see it...penalty....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 02:12:42 pm
Peckers D going for 3 straight 500 yard games.

That Peckers D is something special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 02:13:35 pm
The big thing is Newton can't complete a short pass.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 02:20:23 pm
It's almost laughable seeing the Pakeys complaining of holding....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 02:20:38 pm
Beaver McCarthy looks hilarious on the sidelines. Deer in headlights.

Poor Aaron now you know how everyone else feels when your O line holds every play.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 02:21:29 pm
Peckers do the same thing on D.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 02:24:11 pm
Funny how this announcing crew will show the missed calls favoring the Pukers but don't say a peep when it favors the Panthers.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 02:44:04 pm
Green Bay got away with a hold....YOU DON'T SAY! ...good grief....surprised Aikman said that....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 02:52:20 pm
Thing of beauty....stomp those Pakers! Think Carolina is my second fav team. Plenty of ex-Bears on there kicking azz....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 02:54:34 pm
LOL!

Peppers and Clinton-Dix getting into it on the sidelines.  That is funny ****.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 03:00:18 pm
Funny seeing the Peckers unraveling on the sidelines. They D is horrific!!!!

I hope the Bears get face that Randal...he blows donkey dicks.

Julia Peppers yelling at everyone and has done?????
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 03:02:58 pm
The Puke's not finished yet? Oh yeah, they're done.....these announcers are Puke blowhards....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 03:12:09 pm
ANOTHER unbelievable no interference call. What do these guys have to do to get a call?? Unreal.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 03:15:56 pm
So far this game, at least one holding uncalled, two intentional groundings uncalled and two very obvious interference calls uncalled on Pakers. Think the league is favoring GB??....sheesh...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 03:20:58 pm
The Packers O-line gets away with more holding then any line in football.

Rodgers moves up, back left and right in the pocket and the D-lineman are glued to the OL.  Funny thing is when they show the upclose replays of Rodgers getting the ball knocked out you can sit there and count all of the holds going on.  When the OL has their arms around the DL and is pulling the jersey from the body in  back that is holding every time...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 03:22:33 pm
Not an INT the ball was moving.  He didn't have possession until after he stepped out.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 03:26:41 pm
Wow!  Tough for the Panthers to beat the refs and the Packers.  Unreal. 

Next a PI call on the Panthers to give the Packers the ball at the 1?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 03:35:50 pm
See the ref stick his head in the huddle?? 'Hey, we got this. Just toss it up and we'll call a PI.' 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 03:37:09 pm
That, my friends, is GAME!! Wonder they didn't call some phantom deal on that....frickin refs....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 03:37:51 pm
HAHA!  Rodgers throws the pick.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 03:43:55 pm
LOL!! What do you think that Gunter kid will be asking 'you want fries with that?' next week, lol....  made my day, lol
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 04:30:04 pm
I'd fire Dom Cappers today.

Peckers O is fine with Rogers healthy. (and all the holds they're allowed to do - that O line holds all day long)

Endless breakdowns on D.

That said Ron Rivera playing prevent up 37 to 14....prevent, prevents you from winning.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 08, 2015, 04:30:07 pm
The Colts, who have underperformed all season long, don't seem to be having any trouble moving the ball against this Denver defense...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 04:31:33 pm
peckers DBs are allowed to hold all game long. refs were terrible in this game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 08, 2015, 05:37:53 pm
Amusing.  Brought on by frustration.

Beerfan and otto have always been whacko.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 08, 2015, 05:59:13 pm
(https://nflcompackers.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/151108-tvmap-600.jpg?w=900&h=822)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 08, 2015, 06:04:31 pm
The Packers started to come out of their slump in the second half.  They'll be fine when the players are healthy and the young players mature at SB time.  Remember 2011.

As far as officiating, some fans are just whiners.  Always the same guys.

I expected and predicted this loss and was happy to see them come back in the second half.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 08, 2015, 06:13:31 pm
AGAINST THE NFC
Ė Today starts a stretch that sees Green Bay playing NFC opponents in eight of the final nine games, including the next six contests.

Ė The Packers and Panthers are the only two teams in the NFL with 4-0 records against the NFC this season.

Ė Green Bay is 13-3 during the regular season against NFC teams since the start of last season. The Packersí .813 winning percentage is No. 1 among NFC teams over that span.

Ė During the McCarthy era (2006-present), Green Bay is 77-34-1 against NFC opponents during the regular season. The Packersí 77 wins are seven more than any other team over that span.

Ė QB Aaron Rodgers has recorded a passer rating of 109.2 against NFC opponents during the regular season in his career, which is No. 1 among active quarterbacks (min. 100 pass attempts).

Ė In four games against NFC teams this season, Rodgers has completed 84 of 118 passes for 903 yards, eight touchdowns, two interceptions and a 108.8 passer rating.

Ė In Week 10, the Packers will return to Lambeau Field to take on the Detroit Lions. It will be the first of four consecutive games against divison opponents, including two against the Lions (Week 13).

R-E-L-A-X
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 06:14:29 pm
The O will be fine as long as they have Rodgers.  The Panthers have a really good defense.

I noticed what they did to get sacks was wait for the O-line to lock in on their holds then send another guy free.   

The Packers O-line holds all day every day.  I know as a fan you will look past it but it is obvious to anyone paying attention.  I know they allow O-line to hold if they keep their hands inside but when the QB runs past and the D-line can't get off trying to go the other direction that needs to be a flag.  When they have a handful of jersey and it is being pulled away from the body that needs to be a flag.  When they literally have their arm around the back of the DL and are pulling jersey that needs to be a flag.  If not it totally ruins the integrity of the game.     

That D is not good.  Of course they are dealing with a lot of injuries but they suck right now.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2015, 06:14:59 pm
GO VIKINGS!


Cause the bears aren't going anywhere this year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 08, 2015, 07:09:08 pm
1st Place Vikings!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2015, 10:33:04 pm
Thing that sucks for the Pakey is now Carolina holds any tie breaker so the games will go through Lina if they have the better record....every game counts and the Pake will find that out come playoffs....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 09, 2015, 02:00:53 pm
Peckers end up a modest 11 and 5 or even 10 and 6. Only because of Rogers.

Peckers had an extremely easy schedule.

They were saying how it's been 2 games in a row they have expoilted Julia Peppers inabilty to cover and run right at him. Peppers needs to play rush end only. Also Matthews shouldn't be on the inside - much more dangerous on the outside.

Carolina up 37 to 14 and decided to go into a shell. Prevent defense prevents you from wining. Newton was off as well 15 for 30.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 09, 2015, 02:52:17 pm
Julia Peppers....heh
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2015, 09:42:19 pm
Thing that sucks for the Pakey is now Carolina holds any tie breaker so the games will go through Lina if they have the better record....every game counts and the Pake will find that out come playoffs....

True, but I'm not going to worry about that any longer.  GB was 15-1 and lost their first play-off game.  They were seeded 6thin 2011 and won the SB.  Just get healthy and mature and get hot like in 2011 and I'll be happy. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 09, 2015, 09:45:04 pm
Packers will win the division.  Vikings a wildcard more then likely. 

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2015, 10:02:46 pm
Charlotte, N.C. ó The quarterback who was hit 14 times, who was chased from here to the airport on plenty of his 48 pass attempts, who ended the game dragged down by a defensive lineman, winced slightly as he bent to retrieve two towels from the floor. Barefoot, he returned them to the shower and sunk into his locker for the task of putting on shoes.

The black loafers sat before Aaron Rodgers like a chore, the effort needed for socks and footwear an unwanted burden after hours of inexorable pressure and unyielding rushers. He removed from his shoe an iPhone wrapped in headphones, the screen glowing green with messages. He placed the phone to his left and leaned back into the locker to pause, to rest, to summon the strength to continue while lamenting a play that will haunt him from the game he'll desperately want back.

On fourth-and-goal from the 4-yard line, his team a few feet from a miraculous 23-point comeback, Rodgers had the pass he wanted and watched it disappear.

"I had the easy opportunity there for a pitch-and-catch touchdown, but I got scared by something," Rodgers said at the podium a few minutes later. "I can't explain it. It was a mistake by myself."

With Randall Cobb uncovered in the end zone, Rodgers danced in the pocket until defensive tackle Kawann Short broke free. He backpedaled, frivolously stiff-armed a 315-pound lineman and chucked a feeble pass in the direction of someone ó anyone ó who could extend a miracle.

A leaping interception by linebacker Thomas Davis extinguished the attempt for a third touchdown in as many drives by a Green Bay Packers team that needed more than three quarters to find itself and then morphed into an offensive typhoon. Rodgers conjured back-to-back scoring drives in the waning minutes to constrict a lopsided game and rectify, on some level, an offense known to sputter. But his 369 passing yards weren't enough, his four passing touchdowns too few, and the Carolina Panthers withstood near-implosion to stymie the Packers, 37-29...

Well, that explains it.  Everybody probably wondered when AR suddenly flinched and kind of lobbed an aimless flutterball.  He looked weird and flustered.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2015, 10:59:17 pm
Which team has the better chance to win the NFC North?

Posted by Mike Florio on November 9, 2015, 5:48 PM EST

Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers
AP

Eight days ago, the Packers had a two-game lead over the Vikings in the NFC North. Now, not.

It really doesn't matter.  Who  is hot and healthy matters.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2015, 11:09:57 pm
Vic, Iím hearing from fans all over that McCarthy needs to take back the role of play-calling and Capers needs to go. Really, after two losses? But wouldnít you say the players have to be held accountable as well. The defense and offensive line have been porous lately.

Everybody is accountable. Didnít Coach McCarthy accept responsibility for the loss in Denver? Aaron Rodgers blamed himself for not making the pass to Randall Cobb on the fourth-and-4 play on Sunday. Thereís no lack of accountability on this team. What else can they do except give their best and then blame themselves for their best not being good enough? I think itís unfair to expect a human sacrifice; that might be going too far. Fans are frustrated, just as the players are. Thatís what we saw on the sideline yesterday. It was frustration. Thatís the problem with expectations. They create frustration when expectations arenít realized. Everybody who reads this column knows how I feel about expectations. I try to avoid them in my everyday life. I try to focus on one fundamental expectation: Try my best. At times like these, I think we need to get back to that simple expectation of this team, that it merely tries its best. Fire everyone isnít the solution. Itís just a nonsensical reaction to frustration.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2015, 11:17:35 pm
Christopher from Los Angeles, CA

Is it fair to say, if not the wheels, certainly the hubcaps have come off the bus?

The bus engine needs a tune up. Thatís all.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2015, 11:25:53 pm
Andrea from Sofia, Bulgaria

Vic, thereís no panic in me, but Iím concerned. That scuffle between defensemen, Rodgers throwing away that tablet Ö I like the grit they showed in the second half, but they donít look collected and confident as they were in past occasions. Do you see something different from your end?

I agree, but I donít seek FULL CONSISTENCY because there is no FULL CONSISTENCY in this league. The Colts hung 27 on the Broncos and handed them their first defeat. Antonio Brown turned in one of the great performances in NFL history, but nearly lost the game when he fumbled a punt return. If youíre going to be a fan of this game and keep your cool, you must acknowledge the lack of of FULL CONSISTENCY. Itís kind of an inside joke long-time readers of this column understand.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 10, 2015, 01:20:55 am
Could it finally be that having picked at the bottom of the draft for a few years now is finally catching up to this team?? Maybe they aren't getting the talent anymore to be at the top, which is what should happen really as the lower teams progress with better talent and those having sat at the top begin to lack the talent needed to win consistently....just my thoughts...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 10, 2015, 11:57:33 am
"the engine needs a tune up"? no Vic...you have about 3 guys on D performing. The secondary is easy pickings. Julia Peppers does not show up. Matthews is out of position and hasn't done much in 3 games.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 10, 2015, 11:59:59 am
"I had the easy opportunity there for a pitch-and-catch touchdown, but I got scared by something," Rodgers said at the podium a few minutes later. "I can't explain it. It was a mistake by myself."

Finally realizing what a dangerous game this is. and how lucky he has been.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:07:05 pm
Could it finally be that having picked at the bottom of the draft for a few years now is finally catching up to this team?? Maybe they aren't getting the talent anymore to be at the top, which is what should happen really as the lower teams progress with better talent and those having sat at the top begin to lack the talent needed to win consistently....just my thoughts...

Talent is there.  Just injuries and young players adapting.  The best part of the season coming up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:19:49 pm
Stephen from Quinnesec, MI

If itís players, not plays, it appears we have been grossly outmatched the last couple of weeks in just about all areas. Your thoughts?

The Packers appear to have lost their mojo, which is another way of saying theyíve lost their self-confidence, which is another way of saying theyíre not themselves. I donít know why itís happened, but Iíve seen it happen to a lot of good teams Iíve covered. All of a sudden, their minds and their feet arenít in sync. Thereís hesitation in their game. I see it in Eddie Lacy. They need to find their divine spark. December is a good month for finding divine spark.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:21:51 pm
Ben from Madison, WI

Vic, do you think we have been so accustomed to winning that over time some Packers fans truly believe getting upset after losing has a positive effect on the next game?

Yes.


True, I'm afraid..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:23:20 pm
Gabriel from Belo Horizonte, Brazil

Vic, Iím over Denver and Carolina. Now we have to think about the future. The remainder of the Packersí schedule is daunting, so if we go to the playoffs we have to be hot. Give me a hot team in December over a 5,000-yard quarterback anytime.

The only yards that count in December are the yards gained in December, and they are the longest and most important yards of the season.


True, dat, too.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:25:26 pm

Kevin from Wausau, WI

Vic, Iím one of the people that saddened you last year. I took the loss to Seattle very hard. It ruined that day and the rest of the week for me. What a waste of time. Sunday, I observed the game. I cheered when the Packers did well, and I accepted when they didnít. You made me realize thereís not a thing I can do about it. So why not just sit back and enjoy the game? I turned the game off and went about the rest of my day with no regrets about being a sore loser, as Iíve done in the past. The Panthers are a good team and thereís no shame in losing to that caliber of team. Thanks for the advice, Vic.


Happiness is not a constant. When you have it, enjoy it. When you donít have it, be patient and wait for it to return. It will.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:30:58 pm
Don from Superior, WI

How long have you been covering the Packers? However long it has been still isnít long enough to tell me I canít be angry with a team that is playing the worst football in the NFL. I have been watching the Packers since I was five years old. I have been waiting for season tickets for 30 years; bought stock, even named my kids after Packers greats. In the 45 years I have watched the Packers, I have never seen back-to-back embarrassing performances like that. Draft and development is not working. Since we have proven to the rest of the NFL we canít beat good teams, what do you feel about trading some of our players to other teams for higher draft picks next year? I know you wonít answer this question because you never answer any of my questions.

Players, not plays, and picks, not players. I love picks. Iíll take all I can get so I can use them to draft and develop talent.


Now, here is a 14 karat Packer dolt.  Yes, we do have some.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:34:54 pm
Ivan from Boulder, CO

Vic, it seems like the last three years one team always seems to have our number. San Francisco, then Seattle, and now potentially Carolina. This is what irritates Packer fans. We canít seem to get past that one team that holds us back from achieving ultimate success (Super Bowl). Thoughts?

Thatís the first time Carolina has beaten Green Bay since 2008. Iíll tell you what: Make it Green Bay at Carolina for the NFC title, and Iíll get on the plane right now.

Another slow one.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:39:21 pm
Robbie from Green Bay, WI

Fire everyone isnít the solution. Itís just a nonsensical reaction to frustration. Vic, this is your comment. And I agree with it 50 percent. We do need to evaluate every coach on this staff. How long their tenure and what they have produced. Our defense has been a complete joke since the Super Bowl of 2010. Complete joke. Remember the Hail Mary by Eli? I can name many more ridiculous defensive breakdowns over the last five years. How many third-and-longs have they given up? It has not gotten any better. In fact, worse. So you tell me where a change is needed. Or a fire under some oneís (butt). I am not sugar-coating anything; just calling it like I see it. We are wasting the best years of Aaron Rodgersí career. When is somebody going to realize this and do something about it?

Theyíre working on it, Robbie. Thatís all they can do. You canít demand winning. It doesnít work that way. All you can do is get on the bus and hope it takes you to your destination. Itís a leap of faith. Itís that way for the fans of every team in sports. I have no doubt youíre on the bus. Sit back and enjoy the scenery. Youíll be glad you did.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2015, 11:58:49 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Julius-Peppers-It-showed-passion-for-the-game/3802d5ab-a4e8-465f-9eb6-89e4bd433833

Julius.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 11, 2015, 06:27:18 am
It looks like Lacy is starting to eat himself out of the league.  He came in the size of Bettis at the end of his career and has continued to get larger and likely slower.  He also takes as much punishment as he gives.

Where will he be in 3 years?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 11, 2015, 10:01:00 am
Think I even mentioned in the preseason that Lacy isn't a factor to be concerned about.....remember? Rodgers is the one to go after. Stop him you stop them....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:13:53 pm
Believe it - Lacy is injured.   It happens. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:21:06 pm
John from Hudson, WI

Vic, Packers lose and McCarthy gives straight answers. Vikings win and Zimmer is combative and evasive at his presser. Whatís up with that?

When you lose, you lie bare to the world. When you win, you have much to protect. Itís the human condition and no sport exposes it as football does.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:21:54 pm
Jay from Chicago, IL

Do the next four weeks decide the NFC North?

No, December does, or maybe January does.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:23:19 pm
Chad from Germantown Hills, IL

Vic, the last time Aaron Rodgers lost back-to-back games the Packers won the Super Bowl. Iím not seeing an issue here.

If you can bear to hear the truth youíve spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,

And stoop and build íem up with worn-out tools.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:26:24 pm
Jeff from New Ulm, MN

Vic, did I hear you asking Aaron Rodgers in the postgame interview if he had pressure that blocked his view of a wide-open Cobb? It sounded like he didnít want to make any excuses, as he said, ďAll I know is I had Randall wide open and I missed him.Ē I like his style, Vic. He takes the high road in the good times and the bad. Maybe fickle fans could learn something from their favorite player.

As I wrote last week, Iím part of the media that are information gatherers. Weíre the first wave, so to speak. We attach a name and a face to our questions, and weíre responsible for them, but they are used by many whose face or voice we never see. I take my job very seriously, and so do the other reporters in the Packers media whose voices youíve come to identity from press conferences. I feed off their questions and I hope I ask some that provide answers they might use. In the moments after a game, getting the information necessary to write a credible story is critical. When a player or coach assists in my pursuit, I am in debt to him, and I am going to repay that debt by treating him with the respect the truth deserves. Rodgers earned my respect on Sunday, as he does every Sunday, so to speak, by providing a direct and introspective answer to a direct and probing question. It is the way of a winner, especially in defeat.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:30:32 pm
Dale from Owatonna, MN

I think Jim from South Carolina is right. On third-and-long, put your pass rushers in, make the QB throw quicker, and donít allow him time to pass to the WR running past the first down marker. The third-and-7 you mention is possibly a better time to rush three because you probably canít get to the QB before he passes anyway. If the fans on the website are noticing a trend, wouldnít an NFL coach notice it?

Yes, he would. I would like you to consider the possibility men whoíve dedicated their lives to coaching football know more about how to do it than you do. Iíve dedicated my life to reporting on professional football, and I lack the skills to even understand whatís being discussed in a strategy session, let alone participate in one. Madden and all of the TV scheme analysis shows have deluded fans into thinking they understand sophisticated football strategy. Itís laughable.


I agree. We fans  tend to over-rate our abilities in that arena.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:32:08 pm
Mike from Norfolk, VA

Noticed that 43 percent of the fans voting on whether or not the Packers will win a fifth straight NFC North title said no. Glad these fans werenít at Valley Forge or else we would still be subjects of the Queen. Have a little faith, will ya?

Iíll cast my vote right here: Yes.


Count me in.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2015, 09:35:02 pm
Ryan from Noblesville, IN

Vic, last year the team struggled the first eight games but then fixed things and were a Super Bowl caliber team. This year, the Packers started out looking strong but have really dropped off the last three games. Do you see the Packers turning it around for the second half of the season as they did last year?

I do, but thatíll depend directly on how theyíre playing when December arrives. Iím all for a fast start. It helps you accomplish the goal every team has when the season begins: Be a playoff contender in December. Thatís all I want. Then Iíll turn my attention to the next goal: Get hot. I expect this team to get hot in December. The only Packers team Iíve covered that didnít get hot in December is the 2011 team. I look ahead and I see Eddie Lacy getting back to what he can be. I see important players returning to health. I see young players emerging. There are no midseason titles. You win titles in December and January. These are my beliefs. You donít have to agree with them, but you wonít change them, either.


Precisely.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 12, 2015, 04:46:29 am
Lacy very well may be also injured.  Which is my second sentence.  He gets as much punishment as he doles out.  Larger backs like him need to be delivering the blow or getting down or out of bounds when there is that opportunity.  Fight another down.  I am certain that Bettis took his share of hits, but Bettis and Campbell seemed to have a higher gear.  I would have to watch Bettis perform again to see why he was so much more durable, but Lacy is certainly following the Campbell model with even less production and greater frequency of injury.  Lacy takes some hellacious hits.

At this rate, either through the use of the fork or injury or both, I don't see a back that will be a durable reliable option for the Packers while Rodgers is in his golden window.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 12, 2015, 07:02:08 am
From your own head coach one week ago...

http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/10/29/packers-mike-mccarthy-eddie-lacy-fat/

Eating himself out of a position if he doesn't turn it around.

For contrast, Forte and Lacy weighed the same coming out of college.  Forte was 222 and Lacy was 221.  Forte is now 218 while Lacy is now over 240 and to this eye a bisquit short of 250,.. or maybe a few bisquits over.

Injured, fat, whatever, he needs to correct this direction if you want to see him playing in 2018
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearHit on November 12, 2015, 08:53:04 am
Too many cheese curds
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 04:51:50 pm
From your own head coach one week ago...

http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/10/29/packers-mike-mccarthy-eddie-lacy-fat/

Eating himself out of a position if he doesn't turn it around.

For contrast, Forte and Lacy weighed the same coming out of college.  Forte was 222 and Lacy was 221.  Forte is now 218 while Lacy is now over 240 and to this eye a bisquit short of 250,.. or maybe a few bisquits over.

Injured, fat, whatever, he needs to correct this direction if you want to see him playing in 2018

Good catch, Grizz.  I really have no argument with your posts about Lacy.  I do have a different viewpoint on Starks.  He was very instrumental if the Pack's 2011 SB win.  after that, injuries interfered and TT drafted Lacy to solve  the problem.  Last game  Starks finally was had a chance to play most of the game and had a good game  I really like his play, running and pass catching.  He has better speed.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:35:39 pm
Richard from Truckee, CA

Vic, do you think this team could use an Oklahoma drill this week? What better way to stress winning one-on-ones?

Treating professional athletes as children doesnít endear them to the coach or the team that employs them. Thereís no lack of commitment in the Packers. They faced undefeated teams on the road in consecutive games, the first team in NFL history to ever do that against opponents with six or more wins. The truth is youíre not supposed to win those games. The truth is back in June I wrote about this being the hump in the Packersí schedule. Packers fans have an expectation the team should never lose, that the Packers are better than everybody and a loss is an insult to Lombardi and all things holy in Packerland. That highmindedness wears on me and I think it can become an obstacle for fans and even the team. You want perspective? OK, here it is: The Packers are 6-2 and poised for a run at another NFC North title, first-round bye and home playoff game. Thatís bad?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:43:18 pm
Martin from Tisovec, Slovakia

Vic, as our thoughts turn to Detroit, where must the improvements start?

Start with time of possession, which goes to third-down conversions. The Packers have lost TOP by a combined 35 minutes in the last four games! Thatís mind-boggling. You canít put your defense on the field that long and expect it to excel. The Packers need to begin playing defense with their offense, and that begins with sustaining drives and winning TOP.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:47:20 pm
Caleb from Eau Claire, WI

I heard B.J. Raji say something to the effect of: ďWe may be 6-2, but in this city, when you lose two in a row, it feels like youíre 0-8.Ē Iím not sure we fans have that kind of impact on our beloved players.

I have never experienced a fan base with the expectations and demands Packers fans have for the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:48:43 pm
Ginger from Superior, WI

Vic, why did McCarthy feel the need to name Starks his starting running back when both Starks and Lacy seemed to be on the same level to this point? Was it to light a fire under Lacy?

Maybe it was to take the pressure off him. Maybe Coach McCarthy knows exactly what Lacy needs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:51:19 pm
Paul from De Pere, WI

What does cheap cologne smell like to a dog?

The dog didnít tell me, but on Sunday in Charlotte the dog got to my bag, took a sniff, stopped and looked at me. I said, ďI bought it at the dollar store.Ē I think I saw the dog shake its head.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:52:59 pm
Frank from Chicago, IL

What was the brouhaha about between Ha Ha and Peppers at last weekís game?

Iím just guessing, but I think Julius sat in Ha Haís seat, and Ha Ha wanted his seat back and started to fuss, so B.J. Raji came over and told Ha Ha to go find another seat. Spofford is always crowding me with all of his junk. I told him on Sunday, ďYour cup is crowding my mouse,Ē and he got all pouty with me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 12, 2015, 10:55:32 pm
I am pretty sure he was sick of Peppers loafing and not getting to the QB.  That would be my guess. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:55:43 pm
Brooke from Texarkana, WI

Vic, I understand one must keep business and pleasure in separate arenas, but would you consider yourself a Packers fan, per se?

I want the Packers to win. Is that good enough? Do I have to wear a block of cheese on my head, too?


Take  that, Brooke.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 10:57:52 pm
Chris from Newnan, GA

From when they were 6-0 until 6-2, what changes have you seen in the team after the losses in Denver and Charlotte?

I fear theyíve lost the faith of their fans. I know their faith will return with winning, but the team needs to feel the support of its fans now.


So many fans are dumbasses.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2015, 11:06:17 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Julius-Peppers-We-dont-pay-attention-to-records/a0c0e2e1-c010-4964-b091-d910c7dbae82

Peppers talks some common sense.  Can he rally the team?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 13, 2015, 06:05:48 am
Starks is a serviceable back ala Raymont Harris was for us several years ago.  Tough, get the extra yard grinder.  Lacy had (has) the opportunity to lift the Packer offense with another weapon you had to fear.  Prior to becoming bloated and injured, he was a good combination of power, speed, and good feet.  A much higher ceiling than Starks, but I would agree Starks is a better back now.  I just think for your offense to go and for you to challenge for the SB, Starks won't give you enough.  Lacy could have
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 07:12:19 pm
We'll see.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 07:12:51 pm
Comment From Don

My guess is the Packers are looking at a hard fought division win here, but the identity of this team will start to come out against Minnesota. What are your thoughts?

Bingo!   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 07:15:01 pm
Comment From Amos

Coughlin vs Bellicheck. Who is your pick this week?

Coughlin.         
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 07:16:34 pm
Comment From Tom

Is having 15 players on the injury report a record?

The Patriots and Colts listed just about everybody on the team one year as a protest to new rules or a fine or something.         
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 07:27:34 pm
Comment From Bill

"I'll be covering the Super Bowl" Do you mean, for packers.com, regardless of whether the Packers are in the game? Or are you expressing confidence that they'll win the NFC?

I mean for packers.com because the Packers will be in it.


Wow.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 07:29:33 pm
Comment From Vic

Now that's what we like to her Vic- that the Pack will be in the Superbowl! Well done! I feel much better!

I want it to happen for several reasons. This is a two-win team, quarterback and coach. The quarterback is a lock for the Hall of Fame. One more SB win will make Coach McCarthy a lock, too. I want him in, He belongs. He's a great coach. I also want to define my years in Green Bay.       


Double WOW.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 13, 2015, 10:17:27 pm
Trevor from Wausau, WI

If Sam Shields canít go on Sunday, would you expect to see Randall line up against him?

If by him you mean Calvin Johnson, I suspect Johnson will get a lot of attention from several defensive backs and combinations of coverages, but Damarious Randall might be chief among them. Heís playing the best football of anybody in the Packersí secondary. Weíre watching a player on the rise.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2015, 02:25:31 pm
Jake from Waukesha, WI

Vic, Lombardi set the standard. Anything less than a world championship is considered falling short of your goal, whether youíre a coach, a player or a fan of the Green Bay Packers. Lombardi said ďyouíre either first or youíre last,Ē meaning youíre either world champions or youíre losers. Itís harsh, but Lombardi stated that if you didnít continue to win in this business, neither you nor your players would be around for long. McCarthy understands it, as heís stated numerous times ďeveryone knows itís about winning championships in Green Bay.Ē Rodgers has stated the same thing. When you understand that, youíll fully understand the fans, the city you live in and the team you cover.

Iím not comfortable with that kind of thinking. It doesnít fit my personality. It works for you, but it doesnít work for me. Itís the pride goeth before a fall thing. ďIt is better to be humble in spirit with the lowly than to divide the spoil with the proud.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2015, 02:28:09 pm
Martin from Tisovec, Slovakia

Vic, what do you do on Saturdays when youíve finished the ďAsk Vic SaturdayĒ?

I watch college football all day and all night. When I go to bed disgusted with myself for having wasted a whole day sitting in front of a TV.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2015, 02:28:56 pm
Del from Sterling, IL

Whatís the greatest life lesson youíve learned from football?

You have to get back up if you want to play.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2015, 02:35:56 pm
Kevin from Minneapolis, MN

Vic, if Fred Taylor, why not Corey Dillon? How about Steven Jackson? How about Edgerrin James? Some might even want Rickey Watters; he was really good. Ditto Warrick Dunn. Where do we draw the line?

The Jaguars donít have a representative in the Hall of Fame. They need one. Fred is deserving.


How dead must be the football season for Jaguar fans?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2015, 02:44:14 pm
Going nowhere fast: Packers' three-and-out rate is NFL-worst 40 percent
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on November 15, 2015, 03:11:42 pm
(http://caveviews.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bffd953ef01bb088a9c99970d-800wi)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 15, 2015, 03:15:28 pm
Ditka was asked about wearing the Packers sweater vest pissing off Bears fans.  He says, "They haven't won since!".

LOL!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: octagon on November 15, 2015, 03:42:54 pm
I can't wait to read "Ask Vic" this week.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 15, 2015, 03:46:00 pm
'Vic, looking for a tall building. Know of any?'.... eat it, Puke. Great day for football. Bears kill Hams and Lions beat up on the Pukers at home, lol.....couldn't write the script any better...panic time in cheesecurd land....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on November 15, 2015, 03:46:43 pm
This fun to stream for a minute or two

http://v6.player.abacast.net/2140
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 15, 2015, 03:50:58 pm
Fun times, lol. They are saying what I've been saying, the talent is lacking most likely due to them drafting so low. They're cutting on the offensive line, the TE sucks, Cobb sucks, Bahktiari sucks, lol.....panic time in cheeseland...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 15, 2015, 04:08:13 pm
Otto from Madison, WI

Vic, It looked like Rodgers may have tweaked his groin during that roughing the passer sack at the end of the Lions game.  How does one go about getting the job of rubbing it for him?  I am willing to do it as long as it takes...

Go back to your sheep.  You got no shot with Rodgers.  He likes his men young, in shape and with out mittens.



Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 15, 2015, 05:36:46 pm
There is no doubt that the talent is there.  If anyone thinks not, dream on.  That won't make it so.

I never complain about officiating, but this crew should be ashamed to go home and should have nightmares all night.  You are not supposed to tackle a WR while running his route.  The announcers mentioned one bad call after another by Lions DBs. 

No doubt, the biggest problem  is Rodgers' horrendous slump  This is the third straight bad game.  More missed passed shan in a handful of normal games.  The WRs did not help with all those drops.

This is the first time Rodgers has lost three straight  games.  Same for MM.

The question is whether or not they can get out of this slump in time to win the Super Bowl'  Just make the playoffs, baby and we'll see.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on November 15, 2015, 05:50:03 pm
(http://prod.images.lions.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/LIONS/assets/images/imported/DET/photos/clubimages/2015/11-November/tempAP_913894872759--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 15, 2015, 06:12:06 pm
Love it VJ!

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 15, 2015, 06:28:16 pm

Otto from Madison, WI

Vic, It looked like Rodgers may have tweaked his groin during that roughing the passer sack at the end of the Lions game.  How does one go about getting the job of rubbing it for him?  I am willing to do it as long as it takes...

Go back to your sheep.  You got no shot with Rodgers.  He likes his men young, in shape and with out mittens.

This might be the best post this board has ever seen.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 15, 2015, 06:47:48 pm
Quote
There is no doubt that the talent is there.  If anyone thinks not, dream on.  That won't make it so.

Well, guess the sports radio commentators up there in cheeseland don't know what they're talking about because that's what they said....the team lacks talent...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on November 15, 2015, 07:02:37 pm
Otto from Madison, WI

Vic, It looked like Rodgers may have tweaked his groin during that roughing the passer sack at the end of the Lions game.  How does one go about getting the job of rubbing it for him?  I am willing to do it as long as it takes...

Go back to your sheep.  You got no shot with Rodgers.  He likes his men young, in shape and with out mittens.





LOLOL!!!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 15, 2015, 07:36:12 pm
Otto won't be seen until the next Packer win.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 15, 2015, 08:46:17 pm
otto is one of those many delusional Peckers fans who think the peckers have won the last 5 Super Bowls and that every draft pick is the greatest ever.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 15, 2015, 08:48:55 pm
Peckers do not have the talent anymore. Zero sacks on Stafford?

Julia Peppers and Clara Matthews took more games off.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 15, 2015, 08:50:10 pm
Rogers, and you can see this, does not want to get hit anymore. He is no longer fearless. Olivia Mund got him.

Rogers needs to: EXLAX!!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 15, 2015, 08:50:56 pm
This Peckers team is not very good. They have not beaten anyone. Buttpeckers fans are always delusional. They think the Peckers have won the last 5 Super Bowls.

Bad drafts the last 4 or 5 years are catching up.

Last time Detoilet won in GB Rogers was 8 years old.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 15, 2015, 08:54:21 pm
Starks and Lacy are nothing more than backups same with most of the Peckers WRs. The Peckers DBs are just plain terrible.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 15, 2015, 10:15:36 pm
Finally, something for a Bear fan to smile about.  Enjoy it while you can.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 15, 2015, 10:21:37 pm
Receiver Jared Abbrederis, who had his first NFL receptions (four for 57 yards), left with an injury to his ribs after taking a hit at the end of his 32-yard grab in the fourth quarter.

Abbrederis got in a game.  He might as well get in  line and join the other injured.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 15, 2015, 10:40:21 pm


Rodgers did his best to provide answers to his and the offenseís failures against the Lions, but his remarks repeated themselves, which let it be known heíll only go so far. Just as his coach refused to correct his players in the media, Rodgers refused to throw his teammates under the proverbial bus.

ďWeíll look at the film and make some corrections tomorrow,Ē Rodgers said. He referred to ďthe filmĒ several times.

ďI have to look at the film. I can give you a better answer on Wednesday,Ē he said.

ďIíll have to look at the film on which one youíre talking about. I obviously missed a few throws,Ē he said in answering another question.

The film will likely show Rodgers threw wide and low on occasions. Itíll show an open receiver the film saw but he didnít. Itíll often show a failure of receivers to get open, and itíll show some dropped balls that didnít help the quarterbackís cause.

They all conspired to produce stats that were salvaged only by a fourth-quarter rally reminiscent of last weekís loss in Carolina. At halftime of this most recent loss, the Packers had rushed for 32 yards and thrown for 114, and the situation was worsening. In the third quarter, the Packers gained a mere 44 yards.

The passing game is the problem, and the intent of Coach Mike McCarthyís game plan was clearly focused on fixing what was wrong. Rodgers opened the game by completing three consecutive passes to Davante Adams. Rodgers to Adams was the likely focus of the Packersí game plan. Ironically, it was an incomplete Rodgers to Adams two-point conversion try that failed to send the game into overtime.

 ďWe had the right play. I didnít see the end of it. I got knocked down. We needed to convert that one,Ē Rodgers said.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 15, 2015, 11:08:50 pm
Maybe Detroit schools (that are still open) will close down tomorrow.  First win in GB since 1991 -- 24 years.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 16, 2015, 06:17:54 am
I can't wait to read "Ask Vic" this week.

LOLOL!!  I spit out my coffee!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 16, 2015, 12:33:39 pm
Can't wait for the end of cocky Paker fan comments......'just a stumble, still headed to the SB' bs....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 16, 2015, 03:05:22 pm
Peckers have the easiest schedule in the NFL.

The pecker defense gets lit up by good teams. Stafford was not sacked once.

The Bears should win on Thanksgiving day.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 16, 2015, 03:12:00 pm

How come the Bears are now playing all these pissed off undefeated teams that are no longer undefeated?

Defensively, we need to get McPhee back healthy.   But have you noticed the improve play out of Houston and Willie Young as of late?  They were slowly worked back into the lineup as they got healthier. 

Acho hasn't show a lot as a pass rusher but he's a beast stopping the run - best of the OLBs including McPhee in that department.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 16, 2015, 03:33:24 pm
Acho is a good backer. McClellin had a great game yesterday but I'm still not convinced he's the answer in the middle. Needs more consistency there. Houston has been a real surprise for sure. The guy did squat his entire time here. Move him to OLB and he's getting sacks. Weird stuff, but I like it. Seems like the D is awakening. They were floundering for most of this season and all of a sudden they're showing up. Think we might be on to a lineup that works!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 16, 2015, 04:08:14 pm



 Something seems to have been sucked out of Green Bay and transferred south.


 We shall see on Thanksgiving.


 Would you rather have Eddie Lacy and James Starks ...


 or Matt Forte and Jeremy Langford starting for your team at R.B. ?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 16, 2015, 08:05:50 pm
No way does the terrible peckers D stop Peterson. He goes for another 200 yards. It will be hilarious seeing that lame Peckers secondary trying to tackle Peterson.

BTW - Rodgers is 32 years - he is afraid to get hit. He is no loner fearless.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:15:56 pm
Bruce from Alexandria, VA

I was absolutely shocked to hear booing coming from the crowd at Lambeau. Have our fans forgotten what it means to support their team? During times of struggle is when our support should be at its highest. Itís all fun and games when we are winning and it all looks easy, but the reality is we are in a fight and that type of behavior is demoralizing, even for professionals. I am saddened we have become so selfish and thoughtless. This team can still get it together and fix these woes. Can the fans do the same? As you say, help is not on the way.

I blame it on expectations. Theyíve created frustration that is now causing embarrassment for the most supportive fan base in football. Itís a terrible shame, and itís why I rail so much on the subject of expectations and their unintended consequences. I feel the same way about this higher standard issue. We need to come off that, too, because itís causing an unfair standard for the players. You canít always will yourself to make winning happen. Sometimes the pursuit of it has to be long and painful. Thatís when patience must prevail. I think itís time for the most supportive fan base in football to lower its expectations and act more humbly. Itíll help ease frustration and provide the patience this team needs as it tries to fix whateverís wrong.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:17:09 pm
Arohit from Walsall, England

Vic, itís amazing that in the space of a month weíve gone from talking about the Packers going undefeated, to whether they will reach the playoffs.

One of my favorite coaches, Johnny Majors, was fond of saying itís a short trip from the penthouse to the outhouse. Itís a short trip back, too. It can happen for this team. Belief and patience are required.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:19:07 pm
Chris from Green Bay, WI

A simple question but Iím sure not an easy question to answer. What is wrong with the Packers and what do they have to do to fix it? Is it Aaron Rodgers? Is it our receivers not producing good routes and catches? Is it the play-calling and play-caller? We all knew there would be a day the Lions would beat the Packers at Lambeau. It should have been with a rookie quarterback under center after Aaronís retirement party 10 years from now.

The problem is a lack of explosiveness in the passing game. Itís the coachesí problem to fix. Theyíll do it. How they do it is the intrigue to this season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:21:14 pm
Nick from Toronto, Canada

Much respect to Aaron for calling out the fans who made those comments during the moment of silence. That is perspective.

It wouldíve been easy to have brushed off the question. Most of us were behind the press box glass and didnít hear anything. Instead, Aaron Rodgers volunteered a full and heartfelt response to the question. Clearly, what he heard disturbed him. I like that. Itís good to know the leader of this team is a man of social conscience.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:22:29 pm
Nathan from Dubuque, IA

Vic, Iíve been racking my brain trying to think of maybe one issue that has been plaguing the Packers. Although I donít think itís one thing, I think the loss of Jordy Nelson has been a bigger impact than we thought. Maybe itís time to play more Perillo, Abbrederis and Janis and see what some hardly used, hungry players can do?

The young receivers on this team, which includes Davante Adams, Richard Rodgers and Ty Montgomery, will likely determine the fate of this team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:25:21 pm
Nicola from Orlando, FL

Vic, how do you feel about your job? Do you really believe you can impartially judge those who pay your salary?

Actually, thatís a question you need to answer. If you have any doubt about my integrity as a reporter, you should never again read anything that bears my name.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 16, 2015, 08:26:24 pm
Most supportive fan base my ass!

Most Packer fans are a bunch of bandwagon assholes.  They have no clue how to handle losing seasons.  If the Packers go into a 5 or 10 year funk that fan base will get a hell of a lot smaller.

Now don't get me wrong the Packers have a strong following of true fans.  I count Packrat as one for sure.

However back in the 80's I sure don't remember meeting a single Packer fan.  No Packer gear being worn or Packer bumper stickers.  Now I see them all the time here in Central Illinois.  The vast majority are a bunch of Favre and Rodgers loving bandwagon fucktards.  When Rodgers is done and the inevitable worm turns they will crawl back into the shadows and never be heard from again.

They are no different then all of the 49er fans in Central Illinois during the 80's.  Packrat I am sure you met a few.  Loved Montana and Rice.  Then Young.  I never see 49er gear now but sure did back then.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 08:36:29 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Soldiers-lead-fans-in-Go-Pack-Go-chant/24747b1b-e834-4f45-b2e6-d9309c52a8d9
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 16, 2015, 09:14:55 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bears-fans-convinced-mike-ditka-cursed-packers/ar-BBn5e3d?li=AA54yf
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 10:04:31 pm
LOL
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 16, 2015, 10:11:32 pm
Truth is, I don't understand how anyone  can be fan of a team that has never won a championship- ever.

I feel  that strong changes in rules could alter that.  Lessening the effect of a star QB would help.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 16, 2015, 10:14:51 pm
Gotta love delusional Pecker fans who think their team won the last 5 Super Bowls.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 17, 2015, 04:53:01 am
Speaking of delusional, where is Otto?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 17, 2015, 09:38:04 am

I think he's still hungover from the Packer NFL co-champions of October parade - they had to cancel the November parade.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 17, 2015, 10:13:46 am
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Chiman on November 17, 2015, 01:16:12 pm
Speaking of delusional, where is Otto?

He is getting his mittens modified so he can go to Mr. Rodgers neighborhood!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on November 17, 2015, 01:27:42 pm
Post game day 2.  No otter in sight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 17, 2015, 01:42:21 pm
Rodgers is 32 years old. His best days maybe behind him. After making all that money, do you really want to get hit again?

Julia Peppers is showing why the Bears released him a couple years ago. Even the Milwaukee paper said he has been exposed, especially since Matthews play has dropped.

The Peckers secondary is a mess. They can't tackle.

The Peckers young receivers not so good. Average at best. Where is James Jones? MIA. Adams...21 balls thrown to - 11 catches - not so good. Cobb not any better.

As Pekin has said all those late round picks are catching up.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 17, 2015, 03:39:59 pm
ē Eddie Lacy inactive? Or benched? Letís just get him healthy, heís going to be needed.
ē ď25th ranked offense, thatís hard to believe.Ē I donít usually agree with Joe Buck but I agree with him there.
ē A screen in the opening drive! Thank you!!!
ē Good opening drive, wouldíve liked 7!
ē Rodgers missing some throws early.
ē Davante Adams has already been targeted 6 times in the first two possessions.
ē Clay Matthews is everywhere.
ē Randall Cobb you have to catch that.
ē Well at least the defense showed up.
ē Stafford literally has nowhere to throw the ball.
ē The offense NEEDS to take advantage of how well the defense is playing.
ē WHAT A CATCH DAVANTE
ē Rodgers couldíve tucked it and ran for 15 yards but decides to throw it away.
ē This Packers offense needs to wake up. Thereís just no reason to be THIS bad.
ē Looks like the defense stopped them on 4th down. But hey, Iím a fan.
ē I donít know about that Datone Jones calls. Stafford was carrying out the fake.
ē Well, refs gave us a make up call.
ē BOO THIS OFFENSE! GOOD!!!
ē Havenít heard boos in Lambeau in a loooong time. But well deserved.

ē Well thatís not how you want to open the second half.
ē Great hustle by Hyde though to save the touchdown.
ē Lions waste a timeout early, good!
ē Packers waste a timeout early, bad!
ē BIG MISS Prater.
ē I canít believe I have my head in my hands against the Detroit Lions. ITS DETROIT!!!
ē Packers defense wonít let us lose this game. Thatís for sure.
ē Ha Ha just saved this game!!!
ē And Packers offense does nothing.
ē Feels a lot like 2013 when Rodgers was hurt and it felt like a miracle every time the offense got a first down/touchdown. Only this is 2015, and Rodgers isnít hurt.
ē Donald DrivÖI mean Perillo with the GREAT catch to extend the drive.
ē Lawson held on second and third down and nothing. Adams has every right to be upset.
ē Defense is playing lights out.
ē Can you accept a penalty after declining it?!? No way!!!
ē What a throw by Rodgers to Cobb.
ē #84! Weíve been waiting for you.
ē New ball game! Letís go defense.
ē Prater misses extra point! We can still tie this game.
ē Rodgers has to throw that ball more outside to give Davante a chance on that two point conversion.
ē Onside kick, no way!!! You are the man Randall!!!
ē Mason Crosby, WTF! It wasnít blocked. WTF!
ē The Packers are in trouble. Three losses in a row. They are just NOT good right now. Iím now a Raiders fan.

Hey, that sounds like Bear fans.  Am I on the wrong site?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 18, 2015, 07:38:34 am



 




ē The Packers are in trouble. Three losses in a row. They are just NOT good right now. Iím now a Raiders fan.

Hey, that sounds like Bear fans.  Am I on the wrong site?

 I'm a Raiduhs fan cuz I like Da Raiduhs ... not cuz DAA BEARRSSE suck.


 I liked them when they both sucked.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:27:24 pm
Thereís nothing to that to suggest that thereís a medical issue to be overly concerned about since it would be harder to find players who arenít dealing with aches and pains at this point in the season. The Packers know that as well as anyone with McCarthy announcing that wide receiver Jared Abbrederis will be out several weeks with a rib injury.


Of course.  Abrederris is ready to play and he is immediately injured again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:31:57 pm
Micky from Kiel, Germany

Vic, you wrote the Vikings have the unmistakable look of an AFC North team. What exactly do you mean, and what about the Bears? Most important, what are the Packers looking like entering December?

AFC North teams are about defense, running the ball and being physical. They beat you up and then find creative ways to win at crunch time. They lack for style points, but not for grit. The Bears are beginning to acquire that look, which doesnít surprise me, since John Fox is an advocate of that kind of football. If the Bears win on Sunday, theyíll come to Green Bay 5-5, a hot team and playing for a wild-card berth. Much about the Packersí future will be determined this Sunday. I absolutely love this time of year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:37:30 pm
Nathanael from Prague, Czech Republic

Vic, I was at a soccer game here in Prague, the top team in the league, undefeated, vs. a team in fifth place out of 16. In the second half, the best team was down one goal and not playing well, and then fans got very upset and started throwing fireworks onto the field. Iím not kidding. Firefighters ran on with buckets to put them out.

Thereís a fine line that divides the field from the grandstands, and that line must never be blurred. NFL fans are respectful of that line; soccer fans arenít. Iíd rather hear booing than see throwing.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:41:47 pm
Matt from Madison, WI

You said you donít think play-calling is at the root of the Packersí problems. What is at the root of their problems?

One more time: The Packers need a big-play wide receiver to emerge. When that happens, the offense will improve dramatically. When that happens and Eddie Lacy returns to the lineup and begins running over defenders again, the offense will be back to full capacity and ready to make a championship run.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:43:50 pm
Lance from Chicago, IL

What happens when the casual fan stops having fun?

You become baseball in the 1970s.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:47:13 pm
Pete from Ft. Wayne, IN

Do you think McCarthy screwed up by using timeouts when Detroit had the ball before the half? He got greedy and should have run out the clock with a 3-0 lead.

I want you to think on this and figure out why Coach McCarthy stayed aggressive late in the first half.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:51:10 pm
Vic, I read a piece today that compared something Josh Sitton said to what McCarthy said. Coach said the players need to trust the plan in his press conference. A couple of hours later on the radio, Sitton said the offense is too predictable. Do you make anything of this?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion, predictability becomes a compliment when it works. The greatest teams in history were the most predictable. The ďPackers sweepĒ was predictable. Everyone knew it was coming but nobody could stop it. Imagine telling Lombardi, ďCoach, we shouldnít run the sweep because the other guys know itís coming.Ē How about the Packersí stretch play? It was pretty predictable last season. Everybody knew it was coming but Eddie Lacy kept cutting behind his blockers and running through defenders. Everybody knew the 49ers were going to run ďsprint right option,Ē and itís the play they ran on the most important play in franchise history, and it produced ďThe Catch.Ē How about the Patriots? Everybody knows theyíre going to run Gronkowski down the seam, but nobody has been able to stop it. Look, Iím not into the predictability, play-calling thing. If thatís your favorite whine, then have a glass on me, but I donít like the way it tastes. You can keep coming here and trying to change me, but my tastes will never change. To me, football is a game of power and will. If youíre a play-caller kind of fan, you probably need to find another column. This isnít the right column for you.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 18, 2015, 05:54:05 pm
Juan from Montreal, Canada

Playoff teams from last year: Detroit, Dallas, Baltimore at 2-7; Seattle, Indianapolis 4-5. The Packers are two games ahead in the wild-card race. They win in Minnesota and theyíre back in control of the division. Things arenít so bad.

He who is first shall draft last, and he who is last shall draft first. Just donít be 8-8; it stays 8-8.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on November 18, 2015, 07:58:13 pm
Post game day 3.  No otter in sight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 07:23:39 pm
Post game day 3.  No otter in sight.

Just wait until Trump wins the next election.  You may never see otto again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 07:50:07 pm
Chris from New Canaan, CT

For next year, letís remember all this mess started in the week after the bye week. Itís overrated and over-analyzed. Players donít get healthy (they get healthy when the season is over), and whatever momentum and rhythm the team had was interrupted.

I agree with much of what youíre saying. The thing about the bye week that can be most troubling is the bye week is perceived as a time to temporarily shut it down. Sometimes itís difficult to turn it back on. Be that as it may, the bye week is part of the game, and re-starting your engine can be one of the gameís challenges.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 07:52:14 pm
Dominic from Islington, UK

Vic, what makes a game memorable for you? A perfect combination of late drama, high stakes and individual brilliance?

Mostly, itís a feeling that makes a game special to me. Itís a feeling that Iím witnessing something important, a potentially seminal moment in a teamís season, or maybe even a turning point in a teamís life cycle. I have a sensitivity for the moment. Itís my sixth sense. Iíll often say to Mike, ďI have the feeling something is about to happen.Ē I had that feeling in the days leading up to the 2013 game in Chicago. Aaron Rodgers was returning to the lineup. The division title was on the line. The air was thick with drama. I gotta tell you, Iím beginning to get a similar feeling for Sundayís game. I think weíre going to look back on this game as one of those moments.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 07:55:53 pm
Josh from Loveland, OH

When the Packers take the field on Sunday, it will have been 35 days since they have won a game, but it will be the next 12 days that define the direction of the season.

It could, but Iím not sure of that, yet. Iíll say this: I think the game against the Bears is going to be a lot more important than we thought it would be.

Uffdah.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 07:58:13 pm
Matt from Madison, WI

In the pregame show before the Lions game, you werenít too sure about a Packers victory. What does your gut tell you about the game this coming Sunday?

Iím starting to get that feeling. I havenít gotten one of those headaches, yet, but Iím starting to get that old-time hockey feeling, if you know what I mean. Iím not going to wear my best khakis on Sunday. Iím going to wear a pair that already has stains.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:08:53 pm


John To
Terrible refs last game. How do overcome DB's grabbing your receivers? That contributed to us not being able to pick up critical first downs. Adams knows all he can do is push back and hope to not get called. Hard enough to beat your man. Having to overcome refs is more difficult.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 19, 2015, 08:12:57 pm
LOL!  That is rich!

Packers having to overcome the refs.  You mean the Packers not getting the preferential treatment from the refs they are used to shows how average the PAckers are.

31 other teams in the league are sick of having to overcome the refs every time they play the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:18:25 pm
Ron from Broken Arrow, OK

As I recall, when the two Packers-Bears games were wiped out by the 1982 strike, the NFL picked and chose the opponents for the last week of the revised schedule. Why in the world did the NFL not have the Packers play the Bears?

When I asked team president Robert Parins that question, back in 1982, he told me there was talk early in the strike of rescheduling a Packers-Bears game. Your recollection is spot on. Once the strike was settled, the NFL followed its original schedule for games played from Nov. 21 through Dec. 27. Week 9, played Jan. 2-3, essentially filled the postseason bye week, and the NFL picked what it thought would be the most attractive matchups. Prior to the strike, the Packers and Lions were both 2-0. The Bears started 0-2. After 57 days and eight lost weekends of games, the league was clearly worried about attendance and television ratings. In other words, dollar signs won out over tradition.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:27:12 pm
Todd from Havre, MT

Next week, the Packers will retire Brett Favreís number, a significant moment in Packers history by any definition. However, isnít there another historical significance to a Packers-Bears game on Thanksgiving? If I recall correctly, the last time the Packers were to host the Bears on Thanksgiving was 1921. And despite having signed a contract to play in Green Bay didnít Bears coach and owner George Halas fail to honor that contract?

Not true. In 1921, the Packersí first season in what is now the NFL, many of the games were scheduled week to week. Plus, the Packers, presumably for financial reasons, planned to only schedule home games. Thus, they played four non-league games and their first four league games at Hagemeister Park. But everything changed after they beat Hammond on Nov. 13 before another small and disappointing crowd. ďOnce more the management lost money and it is probable that for the remainder of the season, the Packers will have to travel abroad due to the lack of support at home,Ē George Whitney Calhoun wrote in the Green Bay Press-Gazette the next day. Inserted at the top of his story was a short news flash that the Packers had scheduled a game for the following Sunday against the Cardinals in Chicago. On Nov. 20, the Packers tied the Cardinals, 3-3, before a small crowd on a muddy field, but the score caught the attention of others in the loosely organized league. Little Green Bay had nearly beaten Ė the Cardinals tied the game with four minutes to go Ė the longest established football team in Chicago. It also turned out to be a good payday for the Packers when Cardinals owner Chris OíBrien ponied up the visiting team guarantee, $1,200, albeit after a nervous wait. Forty years later, Calhoun wrote, ď(OíBrien) said to me rather brusquely, Ďwe never pay off here at the park and I always pay off in cash. Walk down to the poolroom two blocks down on the left hand side of the street and Iíll be there in a few minutes.í We went to the poolroom and finally Chris came in. He pulled out a bunch of bills Ė none of them were big bills Ė and we got our money and out the door we went.Ē That same day, the Bears beat the Cleveland Tigers at what is now Wrigley Field and drew an estimated 10,000 fans, a huge crowd at the time. While the Bears had a game already scheduled for Thanksgiving (Nov. 24) against the Buffalo All-Americans, Halas was impressed enough by the Packersí showing against the Cardinals that late on Tuesday afternoon, Nov. 22, he agreed to play them in Chicago the following Sunday. In a letter to Packers management that accompanied the signed contract, Halas wrote, ďWe realize that we are biting off quite a chunk in playing the Packers two days after our game with the All-Americans, but the Green Bay team has made such a record on the gridiron this fall that we were forced to meet them before laying claim to the professional championship of the country.Ē The Packers lost, 20-0, but the game drew 7,000 fans and a rivalry was born. The next year, the Packers were deep in debt and tried in early November to lure the Bears to Green Bay for a Thanksgiving game. However, those efforts ďfell flat,Ē according to the Press-Gazette. ďThe Chicago team is packing Ďem in at Cub park and Manager Halas wasnít any too anxious to leave his Ďgold mineí and come hither,Ē the paper explained. ďThe Bear manager played it safe by asking $4,000 to bring his team here, knowing that no club in the pro circuit would attempt to meet such a high guarantee.Ē So there was no Packers-Bears game in 1922.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:35:53 pm
Rick from Crown Point, IN

I had lunch with 86-year old Gene Schroeder, who played for the Bears in the 1950s. He told me Packers president Dominic Olejniczak asked Halas for a coaching recommendation in 1959 and Halas told him, ďThereís only one choice. Vince Lombardi.Ē True?

Thereís probably some truth to it. Internally, I believe Jack Vainisi, the Packersí talent scout, had a lot to do with hiring Lombardi. From the outside, I think Commissioner Bert Bell might have had the most influence on Olejniczak and others. When I hear the story about Halas recommending Lombardi, the first person I think of is Gene Ronzani. Halas recommended him, too, but no doubt never bragged about it afterward. One of Halasí former assistants and players, Ronzani did a dismal job of coaching the Packers from 1950-53. That said, I believe Halas and Cleveland coach Paul Brown both endorsed Lombardi in talks with the Packers. (Lombardi photo by AP)



Lombardi had immense respect for George Halas and all Packer fans should also respect him.  He was a real drivinf force for the success of the NFL and the GB Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:47:47 pm

Andrew from Jacksonville, FL

Mike Ditka has stated that he thinks Forrest Gregg directed Charles Martin to body-slam Jim McMahon during the game in 1986. Any truth to that?



I donít believe ďdirectedĒ would be the right word. But Gregg always had his undermanned Packers worked into a state of hysteria for the Bears and especially that year. Before the first game, safety Ken Stills said the Packers intended to go after McMahon, who was listed as doubtful with a slight shoulder separation, and try to reinjure him. ďI think if we get the opportunityÖ weíre going to pick him up and weíre going to put him on his shoulder,Ē Stills told the Milwaukee Sentinel, much to Greggís displeasure or so he has said. McMahon sat out that game, but not the next. Some of the Packers defenders went into the second game wearing white towels on their belts with Bear numbers written on them. The Bears called it a hit list. Martin wore 9, McMahonís number, and did exactly what Stills said they planned to do in the first game, although more blatantly I think than anyone imagined. Michael from Hartland, Wis., asked if I thought the Packers were getting even for the Bears body-slamming St. Louis Cardinals quarterback Neil Lomax in the preseason. I would think not.  I think the Martin incident was fueled by the bitter intensity of the rivalry during the Ditka-Gregg years and Martinís unbalanced personality. (Charles Martin photo by Vernon Biever)


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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:54:12 pm
Scott from Greensburg, IN

Iíve heard that in 1985 when Mark Lee was penalized and ejected for hitting Walter Payton out of bounds, replays showed Payton had his hand inside Leeís facemask and was trying to pull him over the bench to make it look like a vicious hit. True?

Yes, it appeared on television replays that Payton grabbed Leeís facemask and pulled him. I canít say Payton did it intentionally.


Scott from Greensburg, IN

Iíve heard that in 1985 when Mark Lee was penalized and ejected for hitting Walter Payton out of bounds, replays showed Payton had his hand inside Leeís facemask and was trying to pull him over the bench to make it look like a vicious hit. True?

Yes, it appeared on television replays that Payton grabbed Leeís facemask and pulled him. I canít say Payton did it intentionally.


I remember that play because it made me so angry when Payton did that.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 08:56:11 pm
Wayne from Milwaukee, WI

I attended a Packers-Bears game in the late 1930s or early Ď40s at a field with a snow fence, a red track around it and wooden bleachers. I remember a lot of fists flying, Don Hutson scoring and the Packers winning. What field and year would it have been? At the time, I lived in Sturgeon Bay.

The site would have been old City Stadium, which was located behind Green Bay East High School. The Packers played there from 1925-56. A white fence with a single railing circled the grass part of the field and outside of that was a cinder track. I canít tell you the year for sure, but my guess would be 1944. If the Packers won and Hutson scored a touchdown, it would have to be either í44 or 1935. In Ď35, Hutson caught an 83-yard TD pass on the first offensive play, and the Packers won, 7-0. In Ď44, the Packers won, 42-28, and Hutson caught a 26-yard TD pass. There were no big brawls in either game, but skirmishes were common back then when the Packers and Bears played.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 09:00:34 pm
Jim from Madison, WI

Iím under the belief the Bears owner gave the Packers money to keep them afloat in the early years of the NFL. True?

Actually, in 1932, it was Lee Joannes, president of the Packers, who accepted an IOU from Halas for $1,500 when he couldnít pay the guarantee after a game in Chicago, not the other way around. Halas wasnít that wealthy, and he was too cheap. He was a good friend to the Packers, but usually when it was in his financial interests, too. Halas moved the Decatur Staleys to Chicago at the suggestion of A.E. Staley, his boss. Staley told him the future of pro football lied in the big cities. So in the beginning, Halas wasnít any too eager to play Green Bay. He was no villain, as he has been portrayed. The story that he got the Packers booted out of the league following the 1921 season for using University of Notre Dame players against his Bears is untrue. Thereís a paper trail of primary sources that runs from Racine, the Packersí actual opponent, to South Bend, Ind., to Chicago to prove it. Yet Halas wasnít always a faithful friend to the Packers, either. He helped save them in the 1920s by agreeing to play them three times a year, including twice in Chicago. Those were big gates for the Packers, but they also were Halasí best drawing card. Then as the Packers struggled financially in the 1930s and on the field in the late 1940s, Halasí support seemed to waver. Curly Lambeau confirmed reports in 1949 that Halas wanted the Packers to move their home game against the Bears from Green Bay to Milwaukee. A year later, after the NFL absorbed three teams from the All-America Football Conference, it had to realign. Seemingly unsure of where Halas stood on the issue, the Packers feared theyíd be placed in a different division than the Bears. At that point, prior to television, the gate for the two Packers-Bears games was Green Bayís lifeblood. In 1951, realignment came up again. This time, league minutes reveal Halas favored moving to what had been the Eastern Division, at least on a rotating basis. Again, his alleged motive was money. It was reported in the Press-Gazette that he wanted to avoid costly trips to the West Coast and to rejoin the Cardinals in the same division. Again, the Packers-Bears rivalry appeared in jeopardy. But then on March 31, 1956, three days before a citywide referendum, Halas made a special trip to Green Bay where he spoke at a stadium rally and basically told those in attendance to vote yes or face losing their team. Thatís largely why heís remembered as a great friend of the Packers and for good reason.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2015, 09:13:18 pm
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Those were the days.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 20, 2015, 12:46:52 pm
Overcoming REFS????

Peckers O-line holds almost every play. They showed 2 weeks ago a replay of penalty where they called the Peckers for holding. ALL 3 guys in the picture were holding Panthers. McCarthy coaches his O-line to hold because they know the refs will not call it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2015, 02:12:15 pm
Shawn from Kissimmee, FL

It would be great to see a smile on Rodgersí face while drinking a grape crush this Sunday.

I would rather go gently into that good night. Only win; never celebrate.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2015, 02:16:13 pm
Eric from St. Louis, MO

What would it take for a season to be considered bad in your book?

If I died or missed a deadline, that would be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2015, 02:18:43 pm
Curtis from New Ulm, MN

Iím watching the mustard Jaguars vs. the Tennessee smurfs. The one who came up with the Thursday night uniform should be exiled to the CFL.

My inbox is in total agreement with you; Iím not. I think Packers fans are too stodgy when it comes to uniforms. I love the Packersí regular uniform and I donít ever want to see it change; itís the identity of one of the best brands in all of sports. Having said that, I see nothing wrong with splashing some color around and getting bold with throwback and special-occasion uniforms. I think we worry too much about being classy. Letís have some fun. The Packersí regular uniforms are their bold ones.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2015, 02:20:42 pm
Jeremy from Falls City, OR

Vic, do you think the Packers will evolve in any particular ways given the changes made to our division opponents under coaches Fox and Zimmer?

The Vikings and Bears are built and being built to beat the Packers: Run the ball, bleed the clock and play to the strength of your defense. Thatís how you scheme to beat a high-powered offense, which the Packers have been for a long time. The Bearsí time of possession is up to 31:32. Itís confirmation John Fox is building the Bears his way. If youíre building a team to beat teams such as the Vikings and Bears, you build it as the Packers are built, to up the tempo and press the envelope. The contrasting styles will make for some entertaining games, and the entertainment begins with two games over the next six days.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2015, 02:22:16 pm
Garrett from Seattle, WA

Vic, Matt Forte just said he didnít care if he was thrown to the side because of the fans in Chicago, because he would play anywhere that paid him. What was it like before free agency?

It was like that before free agency. Itís always been that way. Itís professional football and I not only donít have a problem with that attitude, I consider it to be the charm of the game. Itís play for pay. Itís the American way. Itís cold and intense and I like it. Thereís no hanging on in this league. If somebody can do it better, itís time to move on. I donít like fuzzy wuzzy. I like football with an edge. Clearly, Forte still has his. Heíll be a motivated runner next Thursday.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2015, 02:24:51 pm
Scott from Hudson, OH

Vic, Mike McCarthy said he is making the offense his No. 1 priority. What do you make of the comment and the implications?

Offense is his specialty. Itís his baby. He built this offense into one of the most prolific in the league, and now itís struggling. It needs its creator to fix it, and Coach McCarthy has a reputation for fixing whatís broken. Coach McCarthyís comments on Thursday that heís focusing his attention on the offense are the most encouraging words Iíve heard in a month.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on November 20, 2015, 07:34:53 pm
Post game day 5.  No otter in sight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 21, 2015, 12:00:00 pm
otto'd is getting his mittens sewn up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 21, 2015, 12:04:49 pm
Rodgers has a shoulder injury. Hopefully the Queens finish him off with their blitzs.

McCarthy does not have the horse - 4 O lineman hurt. No #1 receiver. 2 backup quality runingbacks.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 21, 2015, 01:03:55 pm

'Chip' on Hundley's shoulder remains


 Stu Courtney, Press-Gazette Media 8:54 a.m. EST November 21, 2015

I love that attitude.  He will be a QB to keep an eye on in as a FA in a few years---unless something happens to AR. In that case Hundley would be the candidate for GB SB QB  #4.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 21, 2015, 01:25:44 pm
Instead of dancing around  the issue let's just analyze teams season injury losses. 

GB #1 ---- Chi #4.

Ranking the most banged-up NFL teams from 2015

Below, with the help of NFL Nation, we rank the most injured teams in the NFL from 1 to 32. Before getting to the list, a quick note on the methodology: The ranking was determined by each team's "total starts missed." What does that mean? Each time a starter or integral special-teams player missed a game, it counted toward that total. Players who had already been placed on season-ending injured reserve or short-term IR were given the number of starts they're guaranteed to miss while being sidelined.

Here are the teams who have been most banged up so far this season.


1. Green Bay Packers

When Jordy Nelson blew out his knee in the preseason, it was almost a guarantee that the Packers' offense would have to change. Without his best deep-threat receiver, quarterback Aaron Rodgers has not thrown the ball downfield as much. In his first seven years as a starter, Rodgers averaged 2.1 pass attempts per game that traveled 30 or more yards in the air, according to ESPN Stats & Information. This season, he has averaged just one per game and has had two games where he didn't attempt any. It's not just Nelson, either. The Packers have played half of their games without Davante Adams, who was expected to replace Nelson as that deep threat. -- Rob Demovsky
Players out for season: WR Jordy Nelson (knee), LB Sam Barrington (foot), DE Josh Boyd (ankle), S Sean Richardson (neck)
Players injured: TE Andrew Quarless (knee), S Morgan Burnett (calf), WR Davante Adams (ankle), OT Bryan Bulaga (knee), OLB Nick Perry (shoulder/hand), NT B.J. Raji (groin)
Total starts missed: 78 -- Nelson (16), Barrington (15), Boyd (14), Richardson (13), Quarless (7), Burnett (5), Adams (3), Bulaga (3), Perry (1), Raji (1)

2. Washington Redskins

The Redskins faced the Jets with an offensive line that had combined to make 14 NFL starts. Their top two tight ends right now were both elsewhere at the start of training camp, with none of the team's projected top three options available. The Redskins' projected starting secondary has played one game together, including the preseason. It's been that kind of a year. At least they'll get left tackle Trent Williams and center Kory Lichtensteiger back sometime soon. The Redskins need to run the ball to be successful, but they've struggled there lately in part because of injuries. With left guard Shawn Lauvao in the lineup, Washington has averaged 5.18 yards on runs to the left side; that's dropped to 3.19 in the three games since his injury, according to ESPN Stats & Information. It's not all the fault of his backup, Spencer Long, but it is a steep drop. Lauvao was playing well. -- John Keim
Players out for season: DE Junior Galette (Achilles), TE Niles Paul (ankle), S Duke Ihenacho (wrist), TE Logan Paulsen (foot), OLB Adam Hayward (knee), G Shawn Lauvao (ankle), OLB Martrell Spaight (concussion), RB Silas Redd (knee), DB Justin Rogers (foot)
Players injured: WR DeSean Jackson (hamstring), CB DeAngelo Hall (toe), CB Chris Culliver (knee), TE Jordan Reed (concussion), ILB Perry Riley Jr. (calf), C Kory Lichtensteiger (shoulder/finger), T Trent Williams (concussion), RB Matt Jones (toe)
Total starts missed: 76 -- Galette (16), Paul (16), Ihenacho (15), Lauvao (13), Jackson (5), Hall (3), Culliver (2), Reed (2), Riley (2), Lichtensteiger (1), Williams (1)

3. Pittsburgh Steelers

The Steelers have been ravaged by injuries and are fortunate to be 4-2. Three of their top six offensive linemen are either out for the season or are uncertain to return, including starting center Maurkice Pouncey and left tackle Kelvin Beachum. Somehow, the guys up front have found a way to hold up without those players. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's MCL sprain forced Michael Vick into action, and now Vick is expected to miss this week's game against the Chiefs with a hamstring injury, clearing the way for Landry Jones. And, oh yeah, Pittsburgh's defense has gone the past five weeks without three starters in the back seven, including talented former first-rounder Ryan Shazier. The Steelers are playing well without key pieces, which means they should contend when everyone returns. -- Jeremy Fowler
Players out for season: K Shaun Suisham (knee), K Garrett Hartley (hamstring), T Kelvin Beachum (knee), CB Senquez Golson (labrum)
Players injured: C Maurkice Pouncey (fibula), CB Cortez Allen (knee), LB Ryan Shazier (shoulder), QB Ben Roethlisberger (knee), S Will Allen (ankle), WR Martavis Bryant (knee), OLB Jarvis Jones (hip), QB Bruce Gradkowski (shoulder), T Mike Adams (back), DT Dan McCullers (knee), QB Michael Vick (hamstring)
Total starts missed: 65 -- Suisham (16), Hartley (16), Beachum (10), Pouncey (8), C. Allen (5), Shazier (4), Roethlisberger (3), W. Allen (1), Bryant (1), Jones (1)

4. Chicago Bears

The Bears have been ravaged by injuries through six games, most notably to quarterback Jay Cutler and wide receiver Alshon Jeffery. Backup quarterback Jimmy Clausen struggled to move the football after Cutler went down with a strained hamstring in Week 2. Cutler's injury forced him to miss the second half of Chicago's game against Arizona, plus the next week at Seattle. The Bears lost both games. Jeffery, meanwhile, sat out four straight weeks due to his own hamstring problem before he returned last week. Without Jeffery in the lineup, Cutler experienced difficulty stretching the field. -- Jeff Dickerson
Players out for the season: S Ryan Mundy (hip), C Will Montgomery (fibula), DE Ego Ferguson (knee), RB Jacquizz Rodgers (arm), DE Cornelius Washington (quadriceps)
Players injured: WR Kevin White (leg), WR Alshon Jeffery (hamstring), T Jermon Bushrod (concussion/shoulder), CB Tracy Porter (hamstring), S Antrel Rolle (ankle), QB Jay Cutler (hamstring), LB Shea McClellin (knee), P Pat O'Donnell (knee), DT Jeremiah Ratliff (ankle), WR Eddie Royal (ankle), CB Alan Ball (groin), DE Will Sutton (elbow), OLB Jonathan Bostic (ankle/traded to New England), G Patrick Omameh (ankle)
Total starts missed: 61 -- Mundy (16), Montgomery (12), Ferguson (11), White (6), Jeffery (4), Bushrod (3), Porter (2), Rolle (2), Cutler (1), McClellin (1), O'Donnell (1),
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 21, 2015, 01:27:59 pm
That is not current because it doesn't mention Forte.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 21, 2015, 01:51:50 pm
Wah Wah Wah....every team has injuries every year. Peckers do not have real backups.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 21, 2015, 01:52:09 pm
BREAKING NEWS: ESPN is reporting that all future Packer games will be televised on the History Channel...Due to their fans always talking about the past
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 21, 2015, 02:18:43 pm
Comment From Tony

If we do lose, do you think the Packers have to win out to get into the playoffs?

No. December is a wild month. Should the Packers not win in Minnesota, however, I think you're going to see the Packers and Bears play for positioning in the wild-card race on Thanksgiving. Who would've thought that a month ago. That's how wild it can get.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 21, 2015, 10:02:53 pm
Didn't mention Leveon Bell either...really old...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 22, 2015, 01:29:44 pm
Erin Rodgers needs to EXLAX!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 22, 2015, 03:59:30 pm
Rodgers bitching at his receivers after damn near every play. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 22, 2015, 04:49:10 pm
Packers holding like crazy and finally get called for it.  Then Rodgers flops and gets the offsetting penalty.  Unreal.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 22, 2015, 04:49:40 pm
Two flags against the Vikings to keep this going.  Finally they say it was uncatchable.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on November 22, 2015, 08:25:46 pm
Wah, wah, wah.....



Pack 30

vikings 13


Next!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 22, 2015, 08:29:51 pm
Are the Packers back?  No, but well on the way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 22, 2015, 08:36:57 pm
The troll shows up after a Packer win.  Where were you the last two weeks?  Fair weather fan!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on November 22, 2015, 08:39:41 pm
Whatever tiny bit of credibility Otts had...and even that is in dispute...is completely gone....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 22, 2015, 08:56:32 pm






Big win for Packers! All better now

Posted 1 hour ago

Vic Ketchman

Eddie Lacy tops 100-yard mark; defense stops Adrian Peterson


Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-recap/article-1/Big-win-for-Packers-All-better-now/425e1998-d713-42c7-adc0-89467efeba3f#ixzz3sHO9GJDk

About says it all.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 22, 2015, 09:03:27 pm
Pat from Altoona, WI

Janis finally found his niche?

Maybe thatíll earn him some playing time as a receiver.

Finally!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 22, 2015, 09:06:37 pm

Packers rebounded but Otto is a chicken-sheet coward.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 22, 2015, 09:45:28 pm
Aaron Rodgers Answers All the Doubters and Gets the Packers Back on Track


 By Mike Freeman , NFL National Lead Writer

Aaron Rodgers was looking to throw a pass to James Jones while Jones wasn't looking. Rodgers had to pull the football back because, you know, Jones wasn't freaking looking.         

Rodgers threw his hands up like, Dude, what the hell are you doing?

It wasn't the only time something like this happened. Rodgers, for much of the first half, was running for his life. Minnesota defenders got constant shots on himóa shove here, a toss there, a tackle here and there. Rodgers the rag doll.

Then came the second half.

And what we saw was vintage Rodgers. No, these Packers aren't perfect. Not by a long shot. But as long as they have Rodgers, they are still a dangerous team.

The 30-13 win by the Packers was defined by two Rodgers plays in the second half.

The first came in the third quarter. He bounced to the left, and Jonesóoff a double moveógot a huge gain. It was one of the most important plays for the team over the last four weeks. It kept the drive going, and it seemed like that was the first time this team was like the Packers we have come to know.

And it was typical Rodgers.

Rodgers would find Jones again, this time for a touchdown, to help make the score 27-13. It was another third-down scramble, except this time he ran to the right and threw one of the best passes of the dayóin any gameóagain to Jones.

Jim Mone/Associated Press 

This was a week in which idiots were starting to blame Rodgers' girlfriend for his woes and in which there were legitimate questions about the team's postseason viability. Many were picking the Vikings to win and extend a lead in the division. They were hot coming into this game. The Packers were not.

What Rodgers did was remind us to never forget how great he is. No, he hasn't been perfect. But he has been talented and gritty, and when he's on, he's as good as anyone.

Just when you count Rodgers out, here he comes, telling you to shove your Olivia Munn comments, and making a statement to the rest of the division.

The statement is: I'm still here.

This doesn't mean we forget all of Green Bay's issues. The Vikings' defensive backs at times took full advantage of what has become one of the more predictable offenses in football. On more than a few occasions, the Vikings were running the routes of the Packers' receivers better than the receivers were. It was incredible to watch, really. The Vikings were Darrelle Revis-ing the Packers.

When the Vikings went to man-to-man, the Packers' wideouts were still being blanketed. It used to be that no one dared cover the receivers so close, or else they'd get burned. Now, you'd need a spatula to separate defenders from the Green Bay receivers. The receivers (cough, Randall Cobb, cough) keep dropping passes that are right in their hands.

There are still issues to be reconciled, but the Packers beat a terrific team, and there are signs of an impending turnaround. Rodgers has now won 10 of his last 11 starts against Minnesota.

It could be argued the MVPs of the game were kicker Mason Crosby (made all five of his field-goal attempts) and the defense. Also, Eddie Lacy made an appearance, emerging from a milk carton, and became a factor on the field. It was like a switch had been flipped, and the result was a statement day from him (100 yards rushing). That bit of Lacy running was just enough to prevent the Vikings from focusing all their resources on Rodgers as other teams have recently done.

Ann Heisenfelt/Associated Press 

The Packers defense also had sacks, the first in three weeks. Green Bay got its sixth sack of Teddy Bridgewater late in the game just as Minnesota was trying to get back into it. The Packers were also able to prevent Adrian Peterson from going thermonuclear and forced him to fumble late in the contest.

Yet, to me, this game was mostly about Rodgers. The team goes as he goes. In many ways, while Rodgers did miss the open receiver on occasion during the team's losing streak, he has received maybe an unfair share of the criticism. During the Packers' three-game slide, Rodgers had six touchdowns, one pick, 779 yards passing, nearly a 57 percent completion percentage and an 83.3 rating.

Where do the Packers go from here? I'd argue this was actually one of the biggest wins of the Rodgers era. A fourth straight loss would have caused near panic in Packerville. This was huge. This was as big as it gets.

Green Bay's next two games are home against Chicago on Thanksgiving and then at Detroit. Neither of those are brutally tough games (despite the Lions just recently manhandling them). We might see, at the very least, a mini-run by the Packers.

My guess: They use those next two games to take an irreversible hold on the division.

Green Bay has won four straight division titles, and I think it will win it again, for the same reason it had a season-saving win against Minnesota.

The reason can be explained in two words: Aaron Rodgers.

He's baaaaack.

Mike Freeman covers the NFL for Bleacher Report.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 22, 2015, 09:51:39 pm
I support any other admin who wishes to kick otto to the curb. Envy was booted for less, and was less of a chickenshit ****.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on November 22, 2015, 10:26:08 pm
Cry me a river ****.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on November 22, 2015, 10:38:23 pm
What's a "river ****"?

Punctuation is not your friend.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 22, 2015, 10:59:47 pm
Is that sort of like "**** a bucket of water" but worse?

As in she has a bad case of river ****...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on November 23, 2015, 08:49:14 am
maybe the Bears will win Thursday and send Otto on another vacation.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 23, 2015, 09:24:14 am
Fan favorite Jeff Janis shows his speed on return, pass-interference

(http://media.jrn.com/images/660*412/b99619773z.1_20151122235152_000_ggrdf61m.1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 23, 2015, 11:50:12 am
(http://media.jrn.com/images/660*412/b99620969z.1_20151121193838_000_gvederht.1-1.jpg)


Bart Starr.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 23, 2015, 04:17:53 pm
The run fixes everything.

Nathan from Tampa, FL

Vic, I know you are a players, not plays guy who loves predictability, but it seems to me part of the problem is the play calls are all too often too predictable and the defense knows exactly what is coming. Sometimes it looks like the corners are running our routes better than our receivers because they know exactly what route their guy is running before the snap.

Nathan, Iím sorry for picking you to send this message, but Iím not going to do it again, not this week, not following a big win with Thanksgiving three days away. No, sir, I am not going to provide a forum for whining and crying about play-calling and predictability. It stops right now. Anybody who wants to do it, please be advised: Your question will be deleted. This week, weíre going to give thanks. Weíre going to give thanks for another season that appears to be leading toward the playoffs. Weíre going to appreciate our good fortune and the luxury of victory we have been afforded. Thanksgiving is not a time for entitlement; itís a time for humble thanks.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 23, 2015, 04:24:19 pm
Shannon from Rockford, IL

I think McCarthy and Rodgers give a great 1-2 press conference punch and do a great job of educating the press and fans about the game. What are your thoughts about how they answer questions?

Iím not looking for a performance; Iím seeking a look into each manís genuine thoughts and emotions for what had just transpired. After covering those two press conferences for five seasons, I think I can read each man. Coach McCarthy has an edge to him and, when he shows it, I know Iím getting the real thing. I like that. I like to see how coaches react to softball questions. Iíve always believed you catch more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. I tossed Coach McCarthy a softball question yesterday. He couldíve just said ďYeah, youíre right.Ē Instead, he went opposite on me about not even talking to his team about division leads and tiebreakers until his team has double-digit wins. Immediately, I knew I got the truth. Thatís what Iím seeking for my readers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 23, 2015, 11:21:47 pm
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2015/11/21/chip-hundleys-shoulder-remains/76132706/


Hundley seems to feel very content in the Packer's QB  school learning to be a competent NFL QB.  I believe that he will be a good one for somebody.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 23, 2015, 11:36:34 pm
That's bad team in Minny. WTF was that coach thinking running Peterson only 13 times. And Teddy Bridgewater is a good backup QB...he was definitely over matched/clueless.

And the Minny secondary is just atrocious.

Peckers had few holding penalties, but they hold on every play.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on November 24, 2015, 01:33:33 am

Well you got to give the Packers some credit.  They whipped the first place 7-2 Vikings in their house pretty thoroughly.

As for Hundley, let's knock Rodgers out of the game so Packrat can see how good Hundley is.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 24, 2015, 05:54:28 am
We can put Datko on the offensive line in front of him and promote a few WRs from the practice squad.  They should be fine!

 ;)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 24, 2015, 05:55:24 am
Lacy looked  a lot better though, I will say that
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on November 24, 2015, 06:01:42 am
Yeah the Queens vastly overrated, but I knew they were screwed once Ditka shed the Packer garb...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 24, 2015, 02:16:03 pm
Well you got to give the Packers some credit.  They whipped the first place 7-2 Vikings in their house pretty thoroughly.

As for Hundley, let's knock Rodgers out of the game so Packrat can see how good Hundley is.

No.  I'd rather you woudn't.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 24, 2015, 02:18:01 pm
Lacy looked  a lot better though, I will say that

Not too fat?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 24, 2015, 02:39:10 pm
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This kid is missing a few marbles.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 24, 2015, 02:42:03 pm
Tyler from Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Vic, one of the things I noticed this week was the impact Datone Jones made after the bad punt. How would you characterize his development to this point in his career?

This is year three of Jonesí career and heís showing signs of being an impact player, but not only as an Okie end. Coach Capers is using Jones in a way similar to how Coach Capers used Tony Brackens in 1999. Brackens was a 4-3 defensive end, but Coach Capers effectively used Brackens as a hand-on-the-ground outside linebacker in a 4-3 defense that included a lot of 3-4 principles. Jones is effectively being used as a standup defensive end, doing a lot of the same things Brackens did but out of a different stance and formation. Thatís why I say think function, not formation. Coach Capers is a scheme genius, but heíd be the first to tell you players make schemes work. Jones is making it work. Weíre witnessing a beautiful blend of scheme and execution.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 24, 2015, 02:53:04 pm
Justin from Knoxville, TN

Vic, the Bears are a well-coached team and you can tell by the way theyíve improved since the season began. What is one area of their improvement that sticks out to you personally?

They lost their first three games by a combined 59 points; theyíve lost three since then and by a combined eight points. Thereís the difference. Theyíre competitive with everybody they play now. The stats bear John Foxís stamp. Heís doing in Chicago in his first season as coach what Mike Zimmer did in Minnesota in his first season as coach last year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 25, 2015, 05:32:11 am
Still too fat.  I gave credit where credit was due - he played well against the Vikings.  We won't have a fast answer to the weight issue, but he has put on 30 pounds since the end of his college senior year.  10 pounds/year.  You see where this is going?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2015, 08:53:21 am
I dunno.  We'll see.  He is the same guy who played poorly earlier.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2015, 09:03:41 am
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2015, 09:06:51 am
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/what-if-the-packers-had-taken-a-pass-on-a-young-brett-favre-b99622441z1-353441541.html
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2015, 04:00:16 pm
Brett from Jacksonville Beach, FL

Vic, are the Bears a threat now? I didnít get that feeling in September.

The Bears team that opened the season lost its first three games by a combined 59 points. Since then, theyíve lost three games by a combined eight points, one of them in overtime. Frankly, I thought they outplayed Denver last week. This is a very different Bears team from the one the Packers faced in Week 1. First of all, Jay Cutler is playing more efficiently. Heís bought into John Foxís mentality for defense first. The one part of the Bears game thatís lagging is its run defense, and thatís the part Fox emphasizes the most. He said in his conference call on Tuesday he expects the Packers to test the Bearsí run defense, so, in trying to get a feel for this game, start with the Packersí run vs. the Bears run defense. Are the Bears a threat to win this game? Absolutely, they are.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2015, 04:07:58 pm

Dave from West Allis, WI

Vic, I used to like reading your responses to fan questions. It was informative and interesting, even if I didnít agree with all your opinions. Lately, though, youíve been moody and lashing out at fans. You must remember, we are fans and not reporters who have been covering games since the mid-20th century. We have completely different mindsets. We are fans, not reporters. Please be considerate in your responses to innocent questions. Now, go ahead and give me a short, snarky, remark about how skewed my perception is.

Wait, Iíll get my violin.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2015, 04:29:26 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/index.html

Packers/Bears final thoughts.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: octagon on November 26, 2015, 10:59:56 pm
Something tells me that "Ask Vic" will mostly be about the 60's and 70's again this week.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 26, 2015, 11:03:43 pm
No doubt that Rodgers is still in a slump.  Same with WRs'.  They had a season's worth of drops.  Lacey, 3 fumbles in the last couple of  ga  mes.

Still time for them to wake up.  12-4 would still be good.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on November 26, 2015, 11:07:15 pm
all kidding aside, the guy is nicked up. he never used to miss those passes. your team rises and falls on the quarterback. he wasn't as he used to be tonight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 12:11:30 am
all kidding aside, the guy is nicked up. he never used to miss those passes. your team rises and falls on the quarterback. he wasn't as he used to be tonight.

You know, you might be right, 46.  I really hadn't considered that possibility.  It would be a shame for a great player to fade out so suddenly.  He showed some erratic behaviors tonight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 12:12:58 am

 Zach Zaidman
✔  ‎@ZachZaidman 
John Fox becomes the 4th consecutive #Bears head coach to win at Lambeau Field in his first season with the team. (Jauron, Smith, Trestman).


11:44 PM - 26 Nov 2015

Surprising to me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 27, 2015, 12:46:32 am



 The Universe is returning as it should be. 17-13
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 27, 2015, 06:40:25 am
Not a bad game by Lacy, except for the fumble.  And he got away with one at the goal line
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on November 27, 2015, 07:49:16 am
Lacy was killing us, reminded me of Jerome Bettis a few years back.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 27, 2015, 08:38:52 am
Fortunately the bacon grease on his hands assisted us... tubby
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 27, 2015, 10:47:42 am
Bears overcame...

1. Phantom trip.
2. An interception taken away because of a horrendous pass interference penalty - GB Corners can mug our receivers yet our guy taps their receiver and it's pass interference.
3. Lacy fumble on the 1 and no call.
4. peckers O-line holding all day long - they called a few.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 27, 2015, 10:51:45 am
People do not realize this but Rodgers turns 32 on December 3rd. That's old for a football player. Yes, some QBs play until their 30 and some do not. The average football carer is 4 years.

Not sure what happened to Rodgers left arm - but he was handling off right handed on the times he should have been handing off left handed.

Peckers WRs were horrendous. Jones didn't look like he wanted to play.

Bears WIN by 4 on #4's night!!!

Peckers do not have a good team. Lost 4 out of 5 - I guessing 9 and 7. Might miss the playoffs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 27, 2015, 10:52:54 am
Julia Pepers at it again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on November 27, 2015, 11:07:09 am
I wouldn't be surprised if we've seen the last of Peppers. Rodgers is still one of the best. You have to have a supporting cast... Just ask Jordan...

On another note.. Favre didn't seem to care too much that the Pack was losing. I loved them showing Favre and Rodgers hugging. Yeah right, they like each other about as much as otter and beerfan...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 27, 2015, 11:23:28 am
One thing the Peckers must do this week is make Adams inactive. Probably for the rest of the season. He has killed the Peckers for weeks now. He does not seem that interested and does not run is routes as crisp as they should be.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 03:52:11 pm
This is a risk you always run when you lean so heavily on one player.  It is STILL not too late if the passing game returns to what it has been for years.  Pretty unlikely,  but still possible.  I am glad for Bears fans, but the loss really hurts.

It would have been better if it had been a real bloody, well-fought game than this sloppy performance, though.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 03:56:44 pm
Brandon from Corona, CA

With 2:53 left in the game, how were you feeling?

Mystique dies hard. I have such regard for the Packersí passing game and Aaron Rodgersí crunch-time grit that, had I been John Fox, I wouldíve gone for it on fourth-and-1. Seriously, it only took three plays and 37 seconds for the Packers to get back to the place on the field from which the Bears punted. What was gained with the punt? When the Bears punted with 2:53 to play in the game, I thought to myself, ďYouíre going to regret that, coach.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 03:58:51 pm
Paul from Cumming, GA

I was thankful for crunch time yesterday. The Packersí last possession had me riveted. Good game, bad outcome. As a fan, I can live with that.

Itís a good attitude because we have no choice but to live with it. Youíre not going to quit; you know that. Youíll be back in front of the TV next Thursday night. All we can do is hope the championship contender we expect the Packers to be will emerge over the final five games of the season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 10:12:23 pm
Comment From IC

How did things get so off track so quickly?

There was attrition at the wide receiver position and the development of young replacements wasn't complete. It's going to take more time. I think we all know that to be the truth, but we don't want to tell ourselves to be patient.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 10:32:13 pm
Comment From Colton

Were you impressed by Cutler last night? He outplayed Rodgers for sure.

John Fox is turning Jay Cutler into a game manager. It's about time somebody did that for him. If it had happened earlier in his career, I think he would've benefited greatly. He has all the tools. He steps up in the pocket as well as any quarterback I've ever seen.             
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 10:37:03 pm
Comment From packerbacker823

Do you think the team leaders (players) need to be more vocal with the younger players preparation techniques?

Rodgers said it back in August. Give me a minute. I'll get the exact quote.

Here it is: ďItís can you run the right route at the right time and understand what weíre trying to do in the progressions? When you know what youíre doing, then you can play faster. We need them to play faster, and that will give them confidence and give the quarterback confidence to throw them the ball.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 10:39:34 pm
Comment From TomS

Rodgers quote says it all.

He's still the best thing this team has going for it.

Comment From Duane

Do the Falcons help us out this weekend?

They're No. 1 against the run. I say yes.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 10:42:52 pm
Comment From Theo

Vic, If the receivers' poor performance isn't enough, Aaron has been as inaccurate with his throws as I've ever seen him. Do you think the two are tied together or are we looking at separate major issues?

He's trying to catch it for them. He's trying to throw the ball to where they should be. I saw a big-time example of it in Minnesota on a quick out deep in Packers territory. The route runner bowed his route back toward the line of scrimmage. If Rodgers had thrown the ball to where the receiver should've been, it would've been a pick six, so he didn't throw the ball. He's having to do too much.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 27, 2015, 10:44:22 pm
Alas and alack.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on November 28, 2015, 09:22:38 am
About the game...

Quote
Comment From TomS

Rodgers quote says it all.

"OH ****!"
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on November 28, 2015, 09:25:32 am
We'll see how long that "greenbay experence" lasts if they keep getting the living hell kicked out of them every game at home. That franchise won't get alot
of sympathy from other teams around the league if they fall off the cliff.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 28, 2015, 12:36:38 pm
But can it be any worse than what weíve seen from Adams over the past month since he came back from an early season ankle injury?


Over that time span, Adams is ranking 109th out of the 120 ranked receivers by profootballfocus.com. Only these guys Ė Seth Roberts, Andre Roberts, Marlon Brown, Robert Woods, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Dontrelle Inman, Keith Mumphrey, Harry Douglas, Leonard Hankerson and Nelson Agholor Ė rank worse than Adams.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 28, 2015, 03:35:55 pm
Vic,

Stop lying to us. The Packers suck. Our talent level is not that good.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 28, 2015, 03:37:19 pm
Vic,

Why hasn't Devonte Adams been cut yet? Mel

Hi there Mel, what games are you watching? Adams is going to the Pro-bowl this year with all the Packer receivers.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 28, 2015, 03:44:26 pm
Packer hold all day long. Nothing called. I seen about 6 picks of blatant holding by the Packers and nothing called - that's how McCarthy operates.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 28, 2015, 04:01:15 pm
McCarthy calls out officials for OPI call

Posted by Mike Florio on November 28, 2015, 1:44 PM EST

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Packers coach Mike McCarthy has plenty of reasons to be upset after Thursday nightís loss to the Bears. Heís specifically upset about a penalty that turned a potential touchdown drive in the first half into a field goal.

Receiver James Jones, who otherwise did nothing for the entire game, was called for offensive interference for picking Chicago cornerback Kyle Fuller on a throw inside the five to receiver Randall Cobb. After the game, McCarthy disputed the call.

ďThe one play on Randallís [catch]  is just a flat poor call,Ē McCarthy said, via Weston Hodkiewicz of PackersNews.com. ďHe missed the call. You can shake that any way you want. Theyíre looking for it.Ē

Theyíre also looking for coaches who call out officials, which could get McCarthy fined. And fine or no fine, McCarthyís complaint misses the mark. While not a full-blown pick, Jones jammed his left forearm into the chest of Fuller, in an apparent effort to shove Fuller into Bears cornerback Bryce Callahan, who was covering Cobb. The move also kept Fuller from peeling away from Jones and getting to Cobb.

ďWe had some tough breaks from the officials, but thatís all part of the game  the officials, the weather, you canít control that,Ē McCarthy added.

Whether McCarthy gets a toughly-worded letter from the league office along with an invitation to make an involuntary contribution to the leagueís charitable causes remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on November 28, 2015, 04:03:42 pm
That is too funny.  McCarthy is crying about the refs.  Seriously? 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/28/mccarthy-calls-out-officials-for-opi-call/

The funny thing is if you read the comments EVERYONE except Packer fans all say the same thing.  The Packers always get all of the calls.

12 penalties against the Bears (two which were totally blown calls and hurt the Bears bad) only 3 against the Packers and McCarthy is crying about one of them.  Plus it was legit.  Unreal.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 29, 2015, 06:29:35 am
Packy - Kind of thought the same thing about Adams.  He dropped a bunch, but did hang onto that 4th quarter ball at the 8.  It's like Rodgers is forcing him the ball to try and get him to turn the corner.  Maybe he just needs his confidence.  You stand him next to Alshon and they look like the same body type, same size.  But Alshon is clearly at another level.

Cobb is seemingly underutilized
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: stelz on November 29, 2015, 01:43:19 pm
A Green Bay offensive lineman would have to grab a rusher's jersey with both hands, spin him around three times and throw him down for the flag to come out. Then the referees would huddle and pick it up.

To Mike McCarthy:  "**** WAAAAHHH!!!"
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 29, 2015, 02:58:07 pm
McCarthy's coaching philosophy is to cheat.

We seen it over and over....the defensive backs who are all over the wide receivers - holding, grabbing, clutching

The offensive lineman who hold, clutch, grab....endless photos and video of this. The funniest was the one shot were THREE lineman were all holding at once.

McCarthy wants the to force the refs to make a call.....not play by the rules. Always has. Gets away with it 97% of the time. The refs do not want to make those calls.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on November 29, 2015, 03:00:40 pm
James Jones committed a pick. It's very clear. McCarthy is a cheater.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 30, 2015, 04:17:10 pm
Bill from Brooklyn Park, MN

Vic, regarding your response to Jamie from Racine: Although I think I get most of your response, it still comes up short. Yes, the Lions got better, especially on defense. But as Jamie said, itís still the same players, on both offense and defense. So what improved, and how?

The players improved by playing better. I donít need more analysis than that. Hereís what youíre not getting, Bill: In this column, it will only ever be about the players; itíll never, ever be about the plays. Itís that way because this is my column, and those are my beliefs and they will never, ever change. They are at the root, the heart of everything inside me that values the game. Anyone who comes here to change my mind will only leave disappointed. Please, keep coming here and butting your head against the play-calling wall, because I love the visits, but your opinion is wrong today, it was wrong yesterday and itíll be wrong tomorrow. You canít ever be right and I will never acknowledge the validity of your argument. Are you starting to get it? Hey, Iím not stupid. I understand the importance of scheme and play-calling, but when the ball is snapped it must always be about the players. If you canít understand that, you donít understand the game, and the minute I surrender to plays, not players, I need to never watch another game because I will have lost my football soul. The fateful pass in last seasonís Super Bowl is a play I wouldíve never called. I think it might be the most regrettable play call Iíve ever seen, but the ball was thrown by a player, not a play. Had the play been executed properly, it wouldíve worked, and I wouldíve celebrated the players, not the play. Iím trying to be sensitive and respectful to the readers I value who come here to campaign for plays and play-callers. You probably shouldnít come here. I donít want to frustrate you. I will never, ever change. Good luck.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on November 30, 2015, 04:22:40 pm
Maximillian from Sydney, Australia

Vic, I feel the Packers will score a special teams touchdown this week. Thoughts?

Iíve never known a player of such limited playing time to excite a fan base the way Jeff Janis has.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on November 30, 2015, 07:59:19 pm
Maximillan -  ( one of our dogs names btw) google "Devon Hester" and get back to us.
P.S. Maxie is a tremendous Bear fan, has his own Bob Swersky sweater.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 01, 2015, 06:47:50 am
Can't say I agree with him about play calling not being a issue. In fact, he even made the point himself about the extremely foolish pass play in last years SB that cost Seattle a win. We've seen some real foolish play calls. QB makes the throw, receiver catches said throw but it was thrown into a bevy of defenders and was never going anywhere. Or a run play into a 9 man front. You're playing with percentages. The best play calls are the ones that have a high percentage of being successful OR the least percentage of being unsuccessful. This was the case with the SB throw. A high percentage of that type of throw do not work and in fact are intercepted.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on December 01, 2015, 07:09:40 am
I think the point , in that SB call, if you have Rodgers throwing to Jordy Nelson, it is a TD. We can't play with the elite teams because we don't have the players. The plays and play calling put the best players in the situation to be successful. If you give that ball to Marshawn Lynch, a good chance he gets in. Your players have to win their one on one battles in order to succeed.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 01, 2015, 05:47:13 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/01/wisconsin-police-investigate-sexual-assault-pregnant-horse/?intcmp=hphz09

WTF?  Otto where were you Saturday night to Sunday morning?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 01, 2015, 06:10:27 pm

Come on man, that couldn't have been Otto.  The article said it was a female horse that was assaulted.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 01, 2015, 08:46:38 pm
Point taken, Dallas...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 09:51:46 pm
Tabb from St. Louis, MO

Youíve said a team will take on its coachís personality. It seems like the defense and special teams have a lot of McCarthy, but the same canít be said about the offense. Mind you, I do not equate winning with fire, the offense simply looks gassed.

Thatís not what I mean by taking on the personality of its coach. Thatís little picture stuff thatís formed by the teamís personnel. Itís the big-picture personality of a team that reflects its leadership. Does it play with resolve? Does it play its best when it matters the most? Does it play with grit and determination? Does it play with an edge? I clearly see Coach McCarthyís stamp on this team. We can talk about this more in the future; I think itís a big deal. If a team doesnít reflect its coachís personality, itíll undergo changes until it does. Strong-willed coaches will not coach ďanother manísĒ team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 09:55:35 pm
Joe from Wichita, KS

You were asked in October who your Super Bowl favorites are. You replied ďthere are no favorites. Itís not even Halloween. Ask me in December. Thatís when the real season begins. Thatís when we find out whoís serious about winning a championship.Ē What is your answer now? Or should we wait a little longer?

The Patriots, Bengals and Broncos are the clear-cut favorites in the AFC, but the Bengals have that playoff monkey on their back and it puts a lot of pressure on their quarterback. The NFC is wide open. Carolina is undefeated but I donít think theyíre unbeatable. Iíd like the Packersí chances in a rematch with the Panthers. I think the Cardinals are playing the best football in the NFC right now, and I like the fact the Packers are going to play in Arizona in December; itíll give them a feel for playing there, should they have to do it in January. I think the Cardinals are the NFC favorite right now. We know what the Giants can do when they get hot late in the season; donít go to sleep on them. The Seahawks? Is there a more feared team in the league? I watched Adrian Peterson dominate on Sunday; he might be worthy of the league MVP. The Packers? In my mind, itís all about getting their passing game in a groove.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 10:03:38 pm
Nate from Naperville, IL

How has Foxís coaching been more effective than the last coach?

Every coach builds his program on the same message: This is what weíre going to do and this is how weíre going to do it. The ability to sell his message to his players defines the difference between coaches. John Fox has been very good selling his message. His players have bought into it and I think we can see it happening with the Bears.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 10:12:34 pm
Steven from Washington, DC

Vic, I get itís frustrating to get the same questions over and over, but I think the language you used in response to Bill from MN was pretty harsh, especially given it was a genuinely curious, respectfully worded question looking for more discourse on the subject of the role of coaching in the NFL. Thoughts?

I had to draw a line in the sand. I had to stop the play-calling stuff. It not only was dominating my inbox, it was giving the column and its comments section a terrible look. So, I used Billís question to send a message to all of the play-calling people, that this is not the place to go for that whine. Itís not just Packers fans; itís all fans. The constant scheme analysis on NFL Network has caused this. Frankly, Iím really disappointed in NFL Network for causing this mania. Itís over the top. Every play can be analyzed with a they-shouldíve-done-this mentality. What I want Packers fans to understand is they couldnít ask for a better collection of strategists than the men who coach this team. They have a reputation around the league for pencil-whipping their opponents. Bill Belichick made a point of congratulating Mike McCarthy following last yearís game. Everyone is asking whatís wrong with the Packersí passing game? If you pay attention, youíll hear the answers: theyíve missed some throws, run some bad routes and dropped some passes. Aaron Rodgers didnít see Randall Cobb open on the goal line in Carolina. It was a great play call. Cobb was isolated on a defender against Detroit and had achieved wide separation from the defender, and the pass was on the money; it mightíve gone for a touchdown, but the pass was dropped. It was a great play call. Davante Adams was isolated on a defender against Chicago and had separated so widely he probably wouldíve scored, had he caught the ball. It was a great play call. Later in the game, a Rodgers interception was the result of a bad route. It was a simple slant, and my inbox begs for slants as much as it does for screens. Eliminate the missed throws, the bad routes and the dropped passes and everything will be fine. Itís not the play-calling or the scheme.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 10:17:05 pm
Jeff from Bloomington, IL

Vic, our December friend is upon us.

This is it. Do it now or forever hold your peace. Despite a 1-4 November, the Packers are nicely positioned for a playoff run. December will decide this teamís fate. Itís as it should be.


The Packers won the first 6 games.  All they need to do is drop the slump and  win the last 4.  Simple.  ;-).
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 10:20:22 pm
Levi from Los Angeles, CA

Vic, I have been a long-time reader of your column and being raised a Packers fan has given me the same live-for-the-game I get the sense you have. With that said, I am still willing and able to see the reality that Rodgers this season is not playing elite. My question to you is why you are so quick to defend him and although you do not like the blame game, who is really at fault with the teamís offensive struggles?

Aaron Rodgers has been the heart and soul of this franchise for the past several years. Heís carried this team on its back in years when the running game and the defense have lagged. He limped this team to within three minutes and 52 seconds of the Super Bowl last season. Now, because of a few losses you want me to point the finger of blame at the man who authored this run of success the Packers are on? Youíve got the wrong guy, Levi. Thatís not how I work. I have a love for this game that begins with the men who play it. At the heart of my love for those men is the human confrontation they face. The hard times currently confronting the Packers will only serve to make the story better. There will be a new chapter for me to write: Recovery! Weíre not the same, Levi.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 10:31:00 pm
I hate this season of one Thursday night game after  Sunday night game after Monday night game.  It sure would be nice to have at least a few Sunday noon games as it should be.  Why punish the fans and winning   teams?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 10:53:10 pm
In confirming the PFT report that referee Pete Morelliís crew has been removed from Sunday nightís game between the Colts and Steelers, the Associated Press also reports that Morelli and crew have been reassigned to the game between the Eagles and Patriots.

The move comes at a time when plenty of Patriots fans have become convinced that the NFL and/or the referees are out to get the Patriots, presumably for #DeflateGate. Fueling the theory is, among other things, a regional Sports Illustrated cover featuring Broncos quarterback Brock Osweiler throwing a pass in the foreground ó and Patriots defensive lineman Dominique Easley being blatantly held in the background.

Then thereís Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski agreeing with the assessment that heís being targeted for offensive pass interference penalties.

The burgeoning belief overlooks the fact that the Patriots won 10 games to start the season. But maybe thatís the genius of it.

Regardless, if the reaction will be that dramatic after the teamís first loss in 11 games, itíll be a lot worse if they lose in the postseason


Sounds like Bears, vis-ŗ-vis Packers: they're always cheating us.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 11:00:08 pm
Comment From Jim

Do you think Chicago could win out and take a wild card berth?

Sure they could. The Bears could also lose every game on their schedule, and I don't mean that as a slap. Every game the Bears play these days is close and can go either way. That's the style they're playing.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 11:16:58 pm
Jeff Janis in position to maintain kickoff return job against Lions

By Michael Cohen of the Journal Sentinel   


Green Bay ó In less than two full games as the No. 1 kickoff returner for the Green Bay Packers, wide receiver Jeff Janis has ripped off two returns of 60-plus yards.

He bolted up the right sideline in Minnesota last week, shocking the Vikings with 4.42-second speed that, according to teammate Damarious Randall, is actually in the high 4.3-second range. Janis was finally tackled 70 yards downfield.

Four days later, on a rain-slicked track at Lambeau Field, Janis burst through the middle for a 64-yard return. He broke free toward the left sideline and remained in bounds to fight for every inch.  | Nov. 30, 2015  ĽRead Full Blog Post(98)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 11:18:30 pm
10:48 PM - 1 Dec 2015



 
 Journal Sentinel 




Injured ankle still bothering Davante Adams

Wide receiver Davante Adams wouldnít discuss the ankle injury that has been his unwelcome companion for much of his disappointing second season with the Green Bay Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 01, 2015, 11:33:16 pm
Bears penalties 12 Packers penalties 3.  The Packers coach actually goes on tv and cries about bad calls against his team in the game.   Apparently it was supposed to be 20 Bears penalties and 0 Packer penalties.     

The Packers O-line holds like crazy and their DB's hold other teams receivers.  EVERYONE in the league knows this.  It isn't a Packers vs Bears thing.  It is how the Packers are coached. 

They know the league doesn't want a flag every play so they know they will get away with it more often then not.

By the way if you read the comments in the pft article about McCarthy bitching about the refs you would know this.  Fans from all teams know the Packers hold and get away with it.     
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2015, 11:39:04 pm
ďThe one play on Randall's (catch) is just a flat poor call,Ē McCarthy said. ďHe missed the call. You can shake that any way you want. Theyíre looking for it.Ē

The NFL placed an emphasis this year on calling illegal picks, though the Packers had been fortunate prior to Thursday. According to ESPN.com, it was only the second time this year Green Bay has been called for offensive-pass interference.

The Packers ran a similar play at midfield in the fourth quarter except this time Davante Adams came on the slant and was bumped off his route by Chicago cornerback Chris Prosinski. The contact threw off the timing of the route, leading to Tracy Porterís interception. No flags were thrown, suggesting the officials felt Prosinskiís coverage was permissible.

McCarthy believes the fact it was in the middle of the field and not in the tight confines of the red zone might have played into the non-call.

ďObviously down there in that tight red-zone area, they were in tight man-to-man where the one out there in the field, the interception, the safetyís coming down on the drag route by (tight end) Richard Rodgers,Ē McCarthy said. ďThere was contact there, I donít know if it was (within) 5 (yards), I havenít seen the film yet. The one in the red zone, the defender on J.J. bumps the defender on Randall.Ē

The recent NFL crackdown on free plays also has hurt the Packers. They were able to take advantage of one off-sides penalty ó it led to an illegal contact call ó but had two other plays blown dead on neutral-zone infractions.

One of those happened in the fourth quarter when Rodgers got former Green Bay defensive tackle Bruce Gaston to jump and found Cobb on a lengthy completion across the middle of the field. The referees called it off and said the play was over before the ball was snapped. McCarthy said the explanation that was given to him from Hochuli on both neutral-zone infractions was a reading of the rule.

ďWord for word, yeah,Ē McCarthy said.

Itís the second time this season McCarthy has voiced his disapproval with officiating. Last month, he said the team must play above the officials in an eventual 27-20 win over San Diego after what he felt should have been a false-start penalty during a Chargersí touchdown before halftime.

Still, McCarthy acknowledged a lot of factors went into Thursday nightís loss to the Bears.

ďWe had some tough breaks from the officials, but thatís all part of the game  the officials, the weather, you canít control that,Ē McCarthy said. ďYou just have to keep playing over that. We still had opportunities to be more productive.Ē

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Hmmm.  difference of opinion.  I'll believe MM.  This is the first time He has complained about officiating all season, whereas Some Bear fans **** every game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 01, 2015, 11:49:08 pm
Porters first interception he was penalized.  He did nothing that should have drawn a flag.  That was 7 points for the Packers.

Slauson was flagged for tripping which brought back a first down at mid field (he did nothing wrong the announcers were griping about it) and led to the drive being killed since the Bears were flagged three times in a row.

The Packers got way more help from the refs then the Bears.   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2015, 12:04:45 am
I'm tired of al the whining by some bear fans about unfair officiating to I checked the official records (below):


'Plays' include all offensive, defensive, and special teams plays.


Team

Games

Plays

Accepted Count

Accepted Yards

Beneficiary Count

Beneficiary Yards

Pre-snap Count

Declined

Offsetting

Total Flags

Home

Away


Tampa Bay 11 1548 109 894 70 616 43 11 7 127 43 66
Buffalo 11 1552 104 943 79 650 27 15 4 123 63 41
New Orleans 11 1592 92 800 76 541 30 10 3 105 41 51
Oakland 11 1597 92 736 69 623 31 13 2 107 41 51
St. Louis 11 1512 89 705 75 723 41 9 4 102 40 49
Miami 11 1589 89 721 93 795 34 12 5 106 32 57
Cleveland 11 1563 85 758 79 630 39 10 2 97 25 60
Baltimore 11 1594 85 801 72 523 22 12 5 102 49 36
Denver 11 1566 85 816 64 478 27 6 3 94 38 47
Seattle 11 1531 81 717 61 468 30 14 2 97 47 34
Dallas 11 1472 80 619 78 615 30 11 2 93 33 47
San Diego 11 1539 79 654 78 677 26 16 1 96 41 38
Cincinnati 11 1550 79 673 84 721 28 9 6 94 41 38
Indianapolis 11 1647 75 591 103 922 22 13 3 91 43 32
N.Y. Giants 11 1624 75 587 88 784 26 11 4 90 31 44
Philadelphia 11 1676 75 573 94 828 31 18 6 99 33 42
Atlanta 11 1567 75 762 68 468 22 10 2 87 44 31
New England 11 1615 74 701 81 719 17 5 4 83 34 40
Chicago 11 1530 74 679 72 669 28 9 1 84 31 43
Jacksonville 11 1620 74 649 83 728 23 13 1 88 43 31
Houston 11 1649 74 654 86 713 22 10 2 86 41 33
Tennessee 11 1481 73 589 88 807 23 10 3 86 35 38
San Francisco 11 1519 73 510 72 556 26 13 1 87 38 35
Washington 11 1525 72 596 77 661 21 14 6 92 44 28
Carolina 11 1618 71 579 67 532 25 5 1 77 45 26
Green Bay 11 1570 70 594 80 718 30 13 5 88 39 31
Arizona 11 1538 70 536 102 906 32 9 4 83 23 47
Kansas City 11 1557 69 594 77 667 18 15 2 86 29 40
Detroit 11 1568 69 593 66 574 21 9 0 78 44 25
N.Y. Jets 11 1618 65 565 68 581 30 9 1 75 26 39
Minnesota 11 1525 65 585 76 639 20 11 1 77 32 33
Pittsburgh 11 1537 64 605 80 847 19 8 4 76 37 27

Totals 352 50189 2506 21379 2506 

They show the penalties very close to identical.  I think the problem is a natural bias for your home team.  You see all the penalties for the opponent but not those of your team.  Please - enough.


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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2015, 12:49:38 am
On the day he returned to the practice field, Packers tight end Andrew Quarless entered a plea and was sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for firing a gun in a late-night incident in Miami Beach last July.

Nice going Quarless.   ;-(
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2015, 09:54:43 am
Itís the second time this season McCarthy has voiced his disapproval with officiating. Last month, he said the team must play above the officials in an eventual 27-20 win over San Diego after what he felt should have been a false-start penalty during a Chargersí touchdown before halftime.


Hmmm.  difference of opinion.  I'll believe MM.  This is the first time He has complained about officiating all season, whereas Some Bear fans **** every game.


Nope.  Not the first time.  And I don't believe Fox has ever complained about the officials losing a game for the Bears this season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2015, 02:52:35 pm
It's not Fox; it's the fans., and I can't remember a years where there have been as many complaints about officiating as this year.  It's coming from all over.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2015, 03:12:53 pm
Rob from Boulder, CO

Packers fans werenít always afraid of losing. Back in the í70s and í80s, losing was a regular occurrence. Then Brett Favre came along and we started winning. When he left, Aaron Rodgers came along and we kept on winning. Maybe weíre just spoiled?

Blame it on winning? Makes sense. Maybe.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2015, 03:22:03 pm
Brandon from Austin, TX

Vic, everybody is saying the Patriots arenít favorites anymore because Gronkowski went down. Watching our offense, we never really see the biggest sparks from the tight end position, but now it seems they arenít even on the field. Are we running fewer formations with them or sending them out on routes less? I donít think Richard Rodgers has progressed as fast as Coach McCarthy was hoping. Do you think having a bit of a playmaker at tight end would be the piece we need?

The Packers need a big-play receiver to emerge. Every team needs a playmaker in the passing game. It doesnít matter if heís a wide receiver or a tight end. I donít think losing Gronk is going to make the Patriots a better team. If any quarterback can find a way to work around losing his star receiver, Tom Brady can, but this bears watching. It might give us an appreciation for the losses to injury the Packers have endured.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 02, 2015, 04:09:18 pm
The Packers complaining about Penalties? HILARIOUS!!!!

The team that is coached on offense to hold ever play. The team that is coached on defense to clutch, grab, hold every WR possible. McCarthy's coaching is to FORCE the ref to make a call.

The Bears DB Porter put one hand on a Peckers WR and he was called for pass interference AND that was play he had an interception called back.

The Bears had a "tripping" called against them when our player simple fell down. The player had no idea their was Pecker behind him.

McCarthy is the biggest whiner in the NFL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 02, 2015, 04:10:16 pm
What's it like to lose 5 out 6???

Lions will trounce the Peckers....unless the refs allow all the holding by the Peckers D.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2015, 09:13:25 pm

Photo published for Bulaga Among Four OL Questionable

Bulaga Among Four OL Questionable

Corey Linsley, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga and J.C. Tretter are listed as questionable for the Green Bay Packers' game at the Detroit Lions.

And the beat goes on.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 03, 2015, 04:59:17 pm
I smell a Peckers loss today. Erin turns 32 today.

Are the refs going to allow the Peckers to hold all game - offense and defense?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 07:53:21 pm
10-0 Lions!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 08:01:12 pm
17-0 Lions!!!

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on December 03, 2015, 08:04:31 pm
Pack, Otts, you better get on the blower and call somebody, what GB is doing ain't working. tell em to change it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 08:12:54 pm
Still 17-0!  Packers miss the easy field goal after the Rodgers sack.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: octagon on December 03, 2015, 08:19:53 pm
GB and Rodgers look like they don't want to be there tonight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 03, 2015, 08:22:53 pm
peckers look DONE!!!

McCarthy said his team is so tired and banged that they can hardly practice. I blame some of that on the coach.

Peckers look downright pathetic.

I thought Vic and Packrat said the Packers were fine. Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 03, 2015, 08:24:00 pm
As I think Pekin said - all that late drafting has caught up with the Peckers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 08:24:22 pm
They are missing two starters on the right side of the O-line.  They also have a ton of injured players.

Also the officiating in this game seems to be pretty good so far.  I don't think I have seen a bad call or bad missed call yet going either way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 03, 2015, 08:25:19 pm
Julia Peppers non-existant again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 08:29:04 pm
Yeah he is a talented but tends to check out when the going gets tough.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 08:30:08 pm
First bad call.  That wasn't PI against the Lions.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 09:56:13 pm
Kudos to the Packers for battling back and making it a game.

Rodgers just gets blown up!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 10:38:49 pm
That wasn't a facemask!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 10:39:41 pm
Packers get the win on a bullshit facemask penalty to give them another chance.  Unreal...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on December 03, 2015, 10:42:00 pm
Gag. facemask? Jesus what ****!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 10:45:49 pm
Glad I am not a Lions fan...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearFan on December 03, 2015, 11:03:17 pm
BS facemask and blatant holds by #65 Taylor and #67 Barclay on #91 Jones give the Puke a freak "W".  Of course, Lions suck for letting them get that close with the lead they had.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 03, 2015, 11:16:49 pm
Pekin:  You will never learsn  Did you not even see the Det DB kick Rodgers in the middle of his back with his knee   in the first series?  You probably missed that, too.  You and Beerfan should apply for a job as official in the NFL.

What a spectacular comeback.  Admit it.  It was a great comeback.  Seventy yard pass.  Can Butler even throw the ball that far?

Brilliant comeback.  The fans are till cheering in the background.

Maybe this will break the Pack out of their slump. Win three more and we are top seeded in the playoffs. Plenty of talent.  Just need a fair shake.

Woo, hoo.  Sleep tight.  I will.

The Packers entered their slump after the  first 6 games.  Maybe they  broke out  tonight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 03, 2015, 11:22:54 pm
BS facemask and blatant holds by #65 Taylor and #67 Barclay on #91 Jones give the Puke a freak "W".  Of course, Lions suck for letting them get that close with the lead they had.


AWWW.  sorry to spoils your week.  ;-)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 03, 2015, 11:25:38 pm
Gag. facemask? Jesus what ****!


Are you praying?

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 11:25:56 pm
Packers got a gift win from the refs.  They suck and the Lions suck.

Cutler has a stronger arm then Rodgers.  His arm strength is not his problem.  It is making boneheaded throws into traffic.  Fox and Gase seem to be straightening that out.

I saw many Detroit DB's.  I did not see anyone kick Rodgers in the back but then again I was not watching the game with my full attention (I am not saying it did not happen).  It wasn't the Bears so I turn it on and do other stuff and only pay attention when things get interesting.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 11:27:39 pm
The Bears are going to win out or miss the playoffs.  Really does not matter what anyone else in the division does.

My guess is they end up 8-8 but have a solid base and a path to future success. 

The Packers are heading the other direction.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 03, 2015, 11:30:08 pm
Packers got a gift win from the refs.  They suck and the Lions suck.

Cutler has a stronger arm then Rodgers.  His arm strength is not his problem.  It is making boneheaded throws into traffic.  Fox and Gase seem to be straightening that out.

I saw many Detroit DB's.  I did not see anyone kick Rodgers in the back but then again I was not watching the game with my full attention (I am not saying it did not happen).  It wasn't the Bears so I turn it on and do other stuff and only pay attention when things get interesting.

More pure BS, BS doesn't twin games.

Write a tear stained letter to the  NFL. 

Stop whining.  You saw the statistics on penalties.  They sure look even to me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 03, 2015, 11:36:45 pm
No in this case a bullshit facemask call won the game for the Packers.

However they did make the plays to get back in the game and be close enough for the BS call to help them.  They then made the play to win it.

So yes the Packers won.  And yes they made some plays.  But they really did not deserve to win this game because they were outplayed for most of it and needed a gift from the refs.

It happens.  It just tends to happen in the Packers and Patriots favor more often then not then most teams.

Probably the star power of their QB's.

That was not a facemask.  Not even the 5 yard variety when that was an option.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 03, 2015, 11:39:01 pm
A lot of bad calls are made both ways, peke.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 04, 2015, 01:31:06 am

Maybe this will break the Pack out of their slump. Win three more and we are top seeded in the playoffs. Plenty of talent.  Just need a fair shake.

If Carolina loses every game...maybe.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 04, 2015, 05:04:20 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000593920/article/blandino-facemask-call-would-be-made-every-time


Looks as if others think that this is a BS call as well.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 04, 2015, 05:34:59 am
That would suck if we lost like that.  I hate the behind the call ref making the call
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on December 04, 2015, 07:43:18 am
The fact that the dlinemane was almost tackled on he last play is more upsetting than the facemask call. Rodgers did a good job of selling it. The problem is the officials are too busy watching the qb and not watching all the holding going on. On that last drive Rodgers was more concerned about getting a penalty than making plays constantly begging for one.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on December 04, 2015, 09:23:34 am
I don't think it was a facemask that should have been called in slo-motion.  However, in real time it looked like a facemask and I do not find any fault in the ref tossing the flag on it.  Rodgers did a great job selling it.  He felt the thumb graze the mask.  It did make his helmet shift a bit on his head.  He buried his face into his shoulder, left his feet and went to the ground helmet first as if the facemask was being pulled the whole time.  Great flop by Aaron to get another play out of it.  He is a smart player and knew that would be the only way to extend the game.

I Don't blame the refs for throwing it and I have to give Rodgers credit for making it look worse then it was.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on December 04, 2015, 10:17:31 am
Nah, I don't think you can blame the ref on that call.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 04, 2015, 10:26:38 am

I was at work last night and checked in briefly here and saw a few posts of the Lions' early lead.  I should have posted what I thought - no matter what the lead you can never count that SOB out until it's over.  I quickly logged on to DirecTV and started recording the game for later.

But looking back at a few of the Packer losses, including against our Bears, Rodgers is sniffing the end zone at the very end.

And I hear Packer fans whining about all their injuries and I just chuckle - until #12 is carried off the field,  the Packers always have a chance.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on December 04, 2015, 11:29:05 am
Same thing my wife and I said last night. Score was 17-0.. We both said, **** Rodgers will come back in the 4th..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2015, 03:02:07 pm
Tom from Waltham, MA

Yesterday, you put Derek from Eau Claire, WI ďon the recordĒ when he said ďsomething special is going to happen.Ē Can you get Derek back here today to give us some stock tips or something?

Derek is a believer, and his belief was rewarded. He deserves it. ďIf you can make one heap of all your winnings, and risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss.Ē Derek taught us a lesson. Imagine his joy today. It can happen when you believe.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2015, 03:08:52 pm
Richard from Madison, CT

ďGrit and determination.Ē Boy, you sure nailed that!

When it was 17-0 in the first quarter, itís all they had left. When you lose your grit and determination, you have nothing. Youíve quit. They didnít quit. Whatís more, this team found its identity. Now we know who and what they are. December defines a football team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2015, 03:13:42 pm
Ted from Findlay, OH

Vic, the talking heads have a lot of opinions about the facemask call. Given the position of the ref, I donít think he could have called it any differently. Do you think he would make the same call if he was positioned to the side of the play?

I havenít had a chance, yet, to view the play a million times and blame the officials for one of the most dramatic finishes Iíve ever covered and a memory I will cherish until the day I die. Iíll do that later this morning, after I get a couple of hours of sleep. Iíll be happy to give my opinion on the call in my chat at one oíclock.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2015, 03:26:45 pm
Nuno from Carregosa, Portugal

I read some comments after the game, questioning why Calvin Johnson wasnít playing defense on that last play. Whatís the logic of that? Do it just because heís tall?

Because heís tall and he can catch. If defensive backs could catch theyíd be wide receivers. I expressed the same Calvin Johnson opinion to Wayne Larrivee on the way home last night. As the ball is tumbling toward the end zone on that type of play, the ball skills advantage is decidedly in the offenseís favor. What I found out later is Coach Caldwell was expecting a lateral play, not a Hail Mary, which would explain why Johnson wasnít in the game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 04, 2015, 04:23:10 pm



 Geez Packy you are going to be totally unbearable to live with for the next week or so.


 There's probably a hole in your ceiling where your head when to when you jumped out of your chair for that last toss by Rodgers.


 Unless you were wearing your souvenir Packers helmet at the time ... I'd get checked out for concussion protocol.  :D


 Like WML said , Rodgers did a great job of selling the facemask and then he made something of it.


 That's why the game is played.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2015, 04:40:57 pm

OK, jj, My honest position is that any team in this division except
Det is capable of making the playoffs.  How  about that?  It's a long time since we could say that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2015, 06:05:19 pm
http://sportsmockery.com/2015/09/chicago-bears-player-hilariously-ruins-the-packers-owning-wisconsin-myth/
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This a gimmiick.  It was published earlier.  It has to do with the distribution of
Dick's Sporting Goods.  Reporter should have vetted th s better unless he wanted to just play games.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 05, 2015, 06:42:44 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/04/report-eddie-lacy-alonzo-harris-missed-curfew-on-wednesday/

Maybe at Denny's?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on December 05, 2015, 07:47:55 am
Better watch, the race police will be after you..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 05, 2015, 05:32:51 pm
Maybe this is just what is needed.  Wake up!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 06, 2015, 06:25:19 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/05/eddie-lacys-lack-of-production-a-concern-in-green-bay/

He needs to drop 15 pounds and he can be a productive back again.  Or eat himself out of the league which appears to be where he is heading. 

Any bets on over/under his weight being 255 next year? 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 06, 2015, 11:10:22 am
Nice phantom facemask penalty. League always looks out for the Peckers.

We've looked at the hail mary play and BOTH tackles commit holding penalties and no call. Not to mention endless no call holding penalties.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 06, 2015, 11:30:24 pm
Barry from Glasgow, Scotland

Vic, I agree with you on your chat statement when you said you want the Vikings to win this weekend. I couldnít agree more. We need the Seahawks to be out of the picture and then deal with the Vikings when the time comes.

I retracted that wimpy statement. I want the Seahawks. I want the drama.

David from Maineville, OH

Vic, is it possible Coach Caldwell did not believe Aaron Rodgers could reach the end zone?

Thatís the feeling I got. I do believe they were playing the lateral, or they certainly wouldnít have allowed Rodgers to flush right.




Darren from Mackinaw, IL

Limit Lacy, activate Crockett from the practice squad and let him give some spark. All players are supposed to be motivated and know eyes are on them at all times, but do moves like these remind players this coaching staff will look anywhere for an edge? Practices must be competitive even this late into the season.

In my opinion, the message was about commitment.

Brian from Albertville, AL

In this age of cameras everywhere, I havenít seen a replay of the entire path of the ball on the Hail Mary. Did you see it, and have you seen a pass that high before? Could Jim Thorpe have thrown it and caught it?

It mightíve hit that video board display that hangs over the center of the field in the Cowboysí stadium.

Matt from Kula, HI

What role do you see for Crockett going forward this season? He seems to have more quickness than Lacy and Starks, so he offers a different kind of change of pace.

Easy, now, easy.

Greylorn from Cochise, AZ

Vic, I thought when reading it that your choice to publish Derekís prediction was uncharacteristic of you. Are you psychic, too?

Can somebody please find my prediction on the Randall Cobb catch in Chicago in the 2013 season finale? I think I might need Father Merrin.

Justin from La Crosse, WI

I sure hope the coaching staff knows what it is doing with Lacy. I would hate for him to be ostracized and lose faith in himself.

Coach McCarthy knows what heís doing. Trust his judgment.

T.J. from Wallington, NJ

Vic, I am ashamed. I did not watch Thursdayís game because I was afraid of watching another loss. Because of that, I missed a legendary come-from-way-behind victory. Thatís the cost of fear. I finally understand what you say about enjoying the game for what it is, a game. Never again.

Fear can be a paralyzing emotion. Your battle against fear was your human confrontation, and you lost. Commit to winning your battle, and the Packers will commit to winning theirs.

Tristan from Broomfield, CO

Vic, I think weíve finally moved beyond No. 8 in the Heroís Journey.

Forget that Heroís Journey stuff. Itís December. Game on!

Nate from San Antonio, TX

Vic, what was your favorite part of the Hail Mary celebration? For me, it was watching Clay Matthews and Jake Ryan hug and jump around like little kids. I think when a rookie linebacker and our best defensive player can celebrate together like that, it says a lot about the chemistry of our team.

I didnít see the celebration because I was busy doing my job. Writing on deadline was my human confrontation, and I won. It feels as good now as it did the first time. Just write, baby.

Jacob from Sioux City, IA

Vic, itís been reported weíve had several players in for workouts. Did any of them make the cut?

Teams work out street free agents every week. Itís a means for updating information in their data base. That is especially true in December, as we near the time for signing futures for the offseason roster.

Craig from Cedarburg, WI

Vic, what can the Packers do to build on their newly established identity?

Itís December. Itís about winning. Nothing else matters. The outcomes of these games will define how history records this team. If they win, the Packersí identity will be that of a team with the grit and determination to win when their prospects appeared to be the direst. If they lose, the Packersí identity will likely be that of a team with needs they couldnít overcome with grit and determination. When the season ends, letís revisit this.

Mike from Elm Grove, WI

If Richard Rodgers can do it once, he can do it again. Why did we dismiss him as the guy who can be the guy for this team?

I donít know, why did you dismiss him? Why do so many fans expect immediate results from players in a system dedicated to development? They need time to learn their craft. Aaron Rodgers was given time to learn his craft. Howíd that turn out?

Aaron from Appleton, WI

Vic, you mentioned that the last game against Detroit was the best one-game coaching job you have ever seen. Are there a few things you can add to that? What specifically stuck out to you from a coaching perspective?
Strength of leadership and poise under fire stuck out to me. Coach McCarthy was faced with some critical decisions in the hours leading up to game time. His team needed to win the game, but at what cost? He did what was right. He did what Lombardi wouldíve done. Then, he watched as his team fell behind 17-0 in the first quarter. There was no panic. He took his team to the halftime locker room and with the poise and confidence a leader shows in troubled times, he set a course for recovery. Iíve never seen a better coaching job, and Iíve covered coaches whoíve won a combined eight Super Bowls. Great coaches are great leaders of men, not callers of plays.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 12:08:43 am
By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published:  Dec. 6, 2015 at 09:57 a.m.   
Updated:  Dec. 6, 2015 at 12:21 p.m.     

Eddie Lacy was disciplined for a curfew violation ahead of Thursday night's epic win over the Detroit Lions.

The concern about Lacy off the field doesn't end there.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on NFL Network's GameDay Morning that the issues are bad enough that the Packers decided not to re-sign third-string running back Alonzo Harris to their practice squad. Harris was cut after he missed curfew with Lacy.

"The Packers, I'm told, do have some off the field concerns with Eddie Lacy and that came to light when he was disciplined for a curfew violation on Wednesday night -- of course before the Thursday game," Rapoport said. "He wasn't alone -- Alonzo Harris, another running back, was actually released from the team and what transpired after this was pretty instructive on what the Packers think about Eddie Lacy. They thought about bringing Harris back on the practice squad, but they are not going to because he is one of Lacy's running mates. They are close friends and they don't want any bad influences close to Lacy. And this is not the only issue they've had to deal with with him. He also showed up to training camp pretty heavy, he also was benched and made the No. 2 running back. They certainly need Eddie Lacy to be better."

It wouldn't be the first time an NFL team dumped a player deemed to be distracting a star.

If you are a third-stringer you don't flout  the rules.  Plus,  Lacy lost his drinking buddy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 12:11:46 am
On Thursday, just prior to their matchup with the Detroit Lions, the Green Bay Packers announced that they had waived rookie running back Alonzo Harris and promoted undrafted rookie John Crockett to the active roster.

After missing much of the offseason with an ankle injury, Crockett was ultimately signed to the practice squad as the Packers chose to keep Harris on the 53-man roster, but Crockett's potential has always been obvious.

Harris, on the other hand, was reportedly cut because he and Eddie Lacy missed curfew on Wednesday night prior to the matchup with Detroit, as ESPN's Rob Demovksy reported.

There's been no shortage of praise from this corner of the internet for Crockett, and the North Dakota State product couldn't be joining the active roster at a better time for Green Bay.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 12:17:55 am

Blandino: Facemask call would be made 'every time'.



By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The NFL Editor
Published:  Dec. 4, 2015 at 12:33 a.m.   


This play is not reviewable.  Do you expect officials to never make a bad call.  It has certainly happened to GB often enough that I say "tough ****."
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 07, 2015, 06:04:31 am
I was listening to the Score the day after the game and there was a great suggestion.  Take some of these over the hills refs that cannot run the field and place them in the booth.  They are not the lead official, but they review every close call such as this - penalties included.  I think the pass interference calls, the illegal contact calls, facemask calls, etc.  The couple of calls that come to mind against the Bears was the late hit on Stafford in the Detroit game, and the roughing the passer call that should have been called yesterday on the throwdown of Cutler.

Everyone watching the tv can see when a poor call is made or not made. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 09:52:25 pm
Conor from Milwaukee, WI

Even though the Saints lost, that blocked extra-point attempt really did keep that game interesting until the very end. Now that itís happened live, do you have any thoughts about how it is going to affect extra points in the future?

It wasnít just that play. Eight extra-point attempts were missed on Sunday; there were only eight misses in all of last season. This might be the best rules change in the 44 years Iíve covered the NFL. Conversion attempts, in my opinion, are the new frontier. As Iíve written, when you convert a two-point try, you do more than score one more point, you can also force your opponent to go for two, and if you deny it, thatís a difference of two points. If I was a coach, I would direct a lot of attention to my two-point offense.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 09:55:28 pm
Todd from Rochester, NY

Vic, Bradyís struggling without his top wideouts. The AFC is wide open and here come your Steelers, look out. I love football this time of year.

All of the weeks prior to December are a rite of passage. We made it! Now weíll find out who the real teams are.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 10:11:56 pm


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Colorado Packer Backer > Joel  ē 13 hours ago 

I am both happy and jealous that you got to experience that live. What an unbelievable moment. It was a tough call for the face mask on the Lions, but it looked a lot worse real time, and the guy didn't need to go for head and shoulders to bring him down. Same old Lions





From where we were sitting, it looked like a facemask. We all said why would he even do that, just tackle him. It was wide open field and he was trapped. Losing a 20 point lead in the second half, you don't deserve to win honestly.

Look at the Clemson UNC game and there was a very similar contact with the UNC QB. His helmet and chin strap did not move at all and there was no penalty thrown.
Whatever was the force applied in the Packers game, Rodgers' face mask moved. In real time it felt like a facemask and correctly penalty flag thrown.

Most likely someone will say for such an important moment of the game they should review it. Already games are reaching 4 hrs almost. If every play is going to be reviewed then NFL games will be heading to 6 hrs in the near future.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 10:19:52 pm

NbyNW > Subhadeep Gan 

Blandino has said that he doesn't think the call would've been reversed on review, and I think he's right. Thumb presses the face mask and then moves inside, side of the index finger pressing upward on the bottom of the face mask, and the mask/helmet moves while Rodgers' head doesn't.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 07, 2015, 10:38:03 pm
Blandino is a moron and is the reason officiating has been horrible since he took over.  It has gone down hill in a big way as soon as the last ref boss left.  He does commentary now.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 07, 2015, 11:41:41 pm
The facemask call that allowed Green Bay to defeat Detroit Thursday night has generated a ton of controversy, but in talking to multiple NFL coaches and executives, most agree with the call.

What's the thinking among coaches and executives regarding reviewing penalties?

Watch Bleacher Report NFL Insider Jason Cole discuss in the video above.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 08, 2015, 11:44:04 pm

Dan from Whiskey Hill, WI

Last night I noticed how well Cowboys fans travel. Their team has had a tough road this season and I saw a lot of white and blue in the stands for the Monday night game. How many of these white and blue jerseys do you suspect to see Sunday at Lambeau for the Cowboysí attempt at revenge on the Packers for knocking them out of the playoffs last year?


Now we find out who the real fans are? If you love this team, donít sell your ticket. Youíll hate yourself for doing it.

Whiskey Hill, WI.  Sounds like a good place to live
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 08, 2015, 11:48:49 pm
Courtney from Butte, MT

You kill me by avoiding this question. Aaron is throwing high. Even McCarthy noted the Hail Mary was a bit high. He has overthrown more than usual. This is not normal. I have bone spurs in my shoulder and it causes the same. What do you think his issue is? Should he start targeting hips instead of chests of his receivers to compensate?

Iím sorry to hear about your bone spurs, but do you have any idea what would happen if I asked your question in a press conference? ďCoach McCarthy, Aaronís Hail Mary pass was a little high. Does he have bone spurs that are causing him to throw high?Ē Iíd get laughed out of the room. All around the league people would be laughing at me. I think Iím going to continue avoiding this issue.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 09:47:46 pm
Ryan from Franklin, WI

What is the defining play of the season so far? The obvious answer is the Hail Mary, but I would challenge that and say it was Rodgersí TD run earlier in that game. To me he seemed more confident in himself and his teammates after that. He had been beat down the last few weeks and in that second half it changed.

What if the Hail Mary hadnít occurred? What if there was no facemask penalty? Would you still feel the same way? Never, ever underestimate the value of victory. Itís penicillin for the soul. It cures everything. Just win, baby.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 09:50:03 pm
Ryan from Franklin, WI

Coach McCarthy stated Eddie Lacy looks rejuvenated. Do you think having limited playing time last week was used as a motivator and sent a clear message his commitment was in question?

It wouldnít be the first time a player experienced a commitment epiphany. Even Joe Greene, the most committed football player I have ever known, experienced such a moment. In the shank of his career, when he was without doubt the most dominant defensive lineman in the game, he took himself out of a game. He tapped out. He quit on his teammates. Frustration overcame him and he was at a crossroads in his career. As Joe was fond of saying, he chose the high road. I have no doubt Lacy will choose the high road.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 09:52:35 pm
Dan from Hudson, WI

Vic, I have watched you dodge questions for years. Your recent dribble to another fan about being grateful for the current record falls short. As if we cannot expect a better coaching result. Letís be honest. You are paid by the Packers. You speak the Packersí bottom line. The reality is the current coaching staff is subpar. Have a look at the past coaches that were at Brett Favreís halftime celebration. It is time for a new coach. Possibly a replacement for Ted Thompson. As a Packers fan (from the í70s), one Super Bowl is not enough. I donít think they have that low expectation in New England. I hope you have the (courage) to post this. To put a timeline and criteria for the Packers to win. If we do not make the Super Bowl, then we need to make the necessary changes. If you do not agree, then you are hopeless.

OK.


Another stupid Packer fan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 09:57:17 pm
Chadd from Antigo, WI

I donít want to play Seattle in the wild-card round. I want fate to give us the ultimate rematch. I want the Seattle Seahawks at Lambeau Field on January 24th.

I keep getting this feeling the Seahawks are going to play at Lambeau Field one more time this season, and Iíve interpreted it to mean itíll happen in the wild-card round. Maybe I have the date wrong.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 09:59:29 pm
Lincoln from Meridianville, AL

What do you think of Eddie Lacyís chances of starting again, and do you think heíll get his magic back?

I think Lacy is one of the players who will define December, which means heís one of the players who will determine how history will record this season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 10:08:50 pm
Bradley from Saginaw, MI

Fans brawling with flares and metal poles in Chile and beer cans being thrown at players during the MLS cup game. The line between the fans and the field has clearly been broken. I hope that never happens to our game.

Itís of critical importance the line that separates the players and fans not be blurred. I worry about this. The 12th-man mania must be kept in perspective. Fans must understand they are part of the event, but not part of the game, and itís difficult to sell that concept when the noise fans create is as celebrated as it is. I would say this to fans: Your energy has a dramatic impact on the game. You can be the difference between winning and losing, but the field is sacrosanct. Only your voice is welcome. Lambeau Field is the best-behaved place in professional sports. Nobody gets it better than Packers fans, and the Lambeau Leap is the shining example of that.


I also respect the demeanor of Bear fans,, but the behavior of soccer fans around the world is a disgrace to the game of soccer..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 09, 2015, 11:26:04 pm
Comment From Tom

Was it a facemask?

If Rodgers said it was and that he wasn't acting, I'm taking his word for it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 10, 2015, 02:27:48 pm
Quote
I donít want to play Seattle in the wild-card round. I want fate to give us the ultimate rematch. I want the Seattle Seahawks at Lambeau Field on January 24th.
 
Another stupid Paker fan. Seattle is hot right now and you want to play them....ok, moron, you may get your wish...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 10, 2015, 02:47:00 pm
If you are the best you want to beat the best.  Also, they have a score to settle with Seattle after the game last season.  No back door to the Championship.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 10, 2015, 02:47:34 pm
Trevor from Wausau, WI

Do you think Jake Ryan will be starting at inside linebacker by the end of the year, allowing Clay to move back outside more often?

I think Ryan has launched a long and productive pro career. I think he might even have star potential. Iím intrigued by Coach McCarthyís caution in commenting on Ryanís play. I thought Ryan was really strong last week, but I suspect he mightíve been the guilty party on that touchdown pass to Eric Ebron. Yesterday, Coach McCarthy referred to Ryan as a young player who has a lot to learn. Heís learning. His arrow is pointing straight up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 03:01:51 pm
The Packers bumped the salaries of guard Matt Rotheram and defensive tackle Christian Ringo to a base level of $435,000. Such raises typically come for players on the practice squad when another team offers a
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 11, 2015, 03:29:14 pm

offers....what?

A job on a real NFL roster?  You'd be a fool to stay on anyone's practice squad if you are offered a spot on a 53 man roster.

I didn't think you could swipe a PS player and put him on your own PS - has to go to the active roster.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 07:33:57 pm
Think about it.  You get the same pay as you would with the offering team.  The Packers are offering you more money than other PS players indicating that you are next in line to make the squad. .  You get to stay with the players you have been playing with.   with the tam the team that first  wanted you on the PS firs.  You get to stay with MM  and TT.  You get to keep playing with the buddies you have had during training.  You get to stay with the square-shooting Packers.  You stay with a good team instead of some shitty team.

Think hard after putting yourself in the players shoes.  Most all those guys stick with their team
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 11, 2015, 08:00:00 pm
I would go with the team that wants to give me a pay raise and put me on the active roster.  Not the team trying to keep me on the cheap and keep me on the sidelines and only ponys up the cash to keep me from leaving.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 08:07:52 pm
You may have misread,  Pekin.  The Packers are already paying them starter roster pay.  Now, why move out to a strange, inferior team?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 08:08:22 pm
Adam from Niagara, WI

Vic, Thursday nightís game did not disappoint. Now, more than ever, I believe Week 17 will be for the division title.

As I wrote in my 10 things editorial, with a win on Sunday the Packers will guarantee they can do no worse than play for the division title at home on Jan. 3.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 08:16:41 pm
John from Auckland, New Zealand

Vic, you often refer to parts of the game as the most important/ biggest/ best in all of pro sports. Please refrain from using such exaggerations, as it doesnít add any impact when we know there are a lot of big sports that you have no knowledge on.

No, Iím going to continue doing whatever it is Iím doing.

Eli from Fergus Falls, MN

Madden is a fun and accurate stimulation of football. Your information about the game and people who play it is wrong and embarrassing. Can you please stop being old and presumptuous for once?

No, Iím going to continue being old and presumptuous, too. Why? Because it feels so good. By the way, youíre banned. In fact, everyone from Fergus Falls is banned. The same with Auckland, New Zealand. Banned!


Good!  New Zealanders are pompous asses and who cares  about Minnesotans?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 08:19:41 pm

Josh from Saint Cloud, MN

Rain may fall, torrents come, pour down like a beating drum. But, softly first, the ďGo Pack Go!Ē in the distance starts to grow. Now resonates across the field, all opponents surely yield! The Cowboys hear the sweet refrain, knowing soon they shall be slain. Surely now their doom is nigh, Rodgersí passes pierce the sky! In terror must the Cowboys flee, for Sunday marks a victory!

Hi diddle diddle, Lacy up the middle.


A good  Minnesotan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2015, 08:27:52 pm


Ty Montgomery: "Blessing to get back out there"

Hear from WR Ty Montgomery on his return to practice and whether or not he thinks he'll be able to play this week.


Here is the injured player who I am most anxious to have back.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 12, 2015, 10:09:41 pm
Chase from Camp Buehring, Kuwait

Vic, I just read an article that ranked NFL stadiums. What are your thoughts on their top five: 5. FedEx Field, 4. Soldier Field, 3. Heinz Field, 2. Lambeau Field, 1. Arrowhead Stadium?

The top three are good fits. I like The Linc and new Mile High, and several more of the newly constructed stadiums.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 12, 2015, 10:28:07 pm
Comment From KJ

Who do you feel the Packers match up better against? Arizona or Carolina?       

I would have no fear of going back to Carolina. Arizona's rankings are scary good. I'll have a better feel after the game there.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 12, 2015, 10:36:46 pm
Both of those teams are better then the Packers right now.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 13, 2015, 01:45:03 pm
Peckers have marginal talent at most places on that team. The O-line looks good because they're allowed to hold every play.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 01:46:39 pm
Report: Mike McCarthy will call plays on offense Sunday

Posted by Josh Alper on December 13, 2015, 12:54 PM EST

Green Bay Packers v Detroit Lions
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Whenever he was discussing the offensive struggles his team has experienced this season, Packers coach Mike McCarthy has said that he isnít planning to take back play calling duties from offensive coordinator Tom Clements.

That will reportedly change on Sunday against the Cowboys. Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that McCarthy will be calling the plays for Aaron Rodgers and company as they try for their ninth victory of the season. McCarthy turned the duties over to Clements in the offseason.

The Packers currently rank 12th in the league in points and 22nd in yards. The points ranking is lower than any the Packers have achieved since McCarthyís first season as head coach in 2007 and they havenít ranked that low in yards since 2006.

Green Bay is also expected to move Eddie Lacy back into the No. 1 running back job after he saw a reduced workload in Week 13 after missing curfew before the game against the Lions.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 01:47:11 pm
How is this possible?  Vic said it wasn't he play calling it was the players.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 13, 2015, 02:40:16 pm
That's hilarious. it's not the play calling, it's the players.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 03:33:38 pm
McFadden!

Great play call!

LOL!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 03:52:29 pm
That is not a TD.  His knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line.  However I am fairly certain they will get the TD on the next play regardless.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 03:55:13 pm
LOL!

Nope.  Didn't get in on the 4th down call.

Cowboys ball. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 13, 2015, 10:36:25 pm
Green Bay's 230 rushing yards most since 2004

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on December 13, 2015, 10:39:18 pm
<golf clap>
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 10:43:07 pm
The NFC North is a sucky division.  The Packers are slightly the least sucky.  They will get hammered in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 13, 2015, 11:26:50 pm

  ESPN Stats & Info
✔  ‎@ESPNStatsInfo 
Patriots have made playoffs in 7 straight seasons (longest current streak). Packers can match that streak by making playoffs.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 13, 2015, 11:29:05 pm
The NFC North is a sucky division.  The Packers are slightly the least sucky.  They will get hammered in the playoffs.

They are picking up big MO, just like they had in the first 6 games.  we willl see, won't we.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 13, 2015, 11:39:27 pm
The Packers haven't blown anyone away, but they're winning. In the rain on Sunday, it was a ground game for the Packers. They had more than 200 rushing yards as a team for the first time since 2009 and their 230 rushing yards was Green Bay's most in a game since the 2003 season finale against Denver, according to Fox's broadcast. Starks and Lacy eventually wore out the Cowboys on the ground.

Maybe this is how the Packers will win games now. They don't have receivers who can get open for Rodgers, and they get very little out of the tight end position. With Lacy apparently back on track, after a 124-yard game in the start on Sunday, maybe the Packers ride him and Starks, and Rodgers plays an efficient game with a few big plays sprinkled in. Rodgers had just 218 yards passing, and he hasn't had 300 passing yards in a win since Sept. 28. The Packers haven't been dominant since very early in the season ó it's not like the Hail Mary win at the Detroit Lions was impressive, it was just a great play at the end.

The Packers haven't really looked like a championship contender in a while. But they keep winning games and now are back in sole possession of first place in the NFC North. That's all that matters for now. Perhaps they can figure out a new championship formula as they go along.

Frank Schwab is the editor of Shutdown Corner on Yahoo Sports. Have a tip? Email him at shutdown.corner@yahoo.com or follow him on Twitter! Follow @YahooSchwab
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 13, 2015, 11:40:49 pm
Maybe the Packers finally get the entire OL healthy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 13, 2015, 11:50:11 pm
The Cowboys suck with Romo.  With out him they suck even harder.

The Bears suck and they beat the Packers in GB.  The Packers suck so don't get your hopes up.

If they exceed your low expectations you will be happy.  If not your heart won't be broken.

But yeah they are not very good.   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 12:24:46 am

  Weston Hodkiewicz
✔  ‎@WesHod 
Since giving up 1,475 total yards vs SD/DEN/CAR, the #Packers' defense has allowed 1,495 yards over its last five games

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 12:27:52 am
The Cowboys suck with Romo.  With out him they suck even harder.

The Bears suck and they beat the Packers in GB.  The Packers suck so don't get your hopes up.

If they exceed your low expectations you will be happy.  If not your heart won't be broken.

But yeah they are not very good.   

Getting worried?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 14, 2015, 12:34:10 am
Couldn't give two flips about the Pakers. Zona will end them, Panthers would end them, heck if they get the chance they want to rematch against Seattle, they'll lose. They won't be there at the end....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 14, 2015, 12:41:03 am
Not worried at all.

At the beginning of the season I was a bit but not now. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on December 14, 2015, 09:59:40 am
I'm not worried either.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on December 14, 2015, 10:10:07 am
I'm not sure why you wouldn't be, considering the Bears beat that ass at Lambeau...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 02:59:22 pm
Whistling your way past the graveyard?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 03:12:44 pm

Mike Daniels had no interest in leaving Green Bay

Posted 23 minutes ago


 
Mike Spofford

packers.com senior writer

Packers' defensive lineman says new contract won't change how hard he works

GREEN BAY Ė Last summer, Mike Daniels gave his agent a simple set of instructions.

ďI donít want anything to do with this,Ē Daniels said, referring to negotiations on a new contract. ďI want to focus on the season. I want to be in Green Bay. Make sure Iím in Green Bay.Ē

It fell into place just as Daniels wished on Monday, when he signed a multi-year extension to remain with the Packers. He kept himself out of the on-and-off, back-and-forth nature of the talks and simply went about playing his best football in his fourth pro season.

A key cog in the Packersí run defense and an effective interior pass rusher, Daniels is on pace to top his previous career high in tackles (69 in 2014). With four sacks through 13 games, his career mark (6Ĺ in 2013) is within reach in that category, too.

Daniels was just three regular-season games from playing out his rookie contract and getting a chance to test the open market, but that wasnít his priority. He mentioned playing with an annual contender, and with a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers who always keeps the team in the hunt, as factors that mattered to him.

ďI want to win Super Bowls with this team,Ē he said. ďThis is like home to me. This is a great place to be. I donít want to be anywhere else. Iíve heard a lot of horror stories, so Iím glad Iím here.Ē



:-)  Very good!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on December 14, 2015, 04:25:43 pm
Ya, sucks to be first again, again and again.


Right beerbelly.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Chiman on December 14, 2015, 05:08:25 pm
Troll
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 09:54:27 pm
Dominic from Altoona, PA

Do you have any old holiday traditions or events from Pittsburgh?

We stole outdoor Christmas lights. It was a tradition in my hometown. We didnít talk good, so we had to be good with our hands, if yinz know what I mean.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 09:59:42 pm
John from Riverside, CA

I donít know to what extent this issue has been fleshed out already, but after doing a bit of research concerning seeding and Super Bowl winners from the past 15 years, I came across some interesting results. For example, eight of the last 15 Super Bowls have been won by teams that have played in the wild-card round. Only 11 out of 30 teams from 2000-2015 have played in the wild-card round, but eight of those 11 won, meaning 19 teams of those 30 had first-round byes. There have been 15 No. 1 seeds featured in the past 15 Super Bowls, but only four have won Ö only one No.1 seed has beaten a team of a lower seed in eight tries in the past 15 Super Bowls. Your thoughts?

Iím sorry to cut you off, coach, but Iím not smart enough to digest all of that statistical information, but I am smart enough to tell you what it all means: Get hot at playoff time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 10:04:45 pm


http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/German-announcers-call-TE-Rodgers-3-yard-TD-/e6649763-04d4-454e-b0da-8c441b47f155 (http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/German-announcers-call-TE-Rodgers-3-yard-TD-/e6649763-04d4-454e-b0da-8c441b47f155)




German announcers call three yard GB TD.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2015, 10:17:04 pm
Dez Bryant 0ne catch for 9 yards.  Rookie Randalll helped put the clamps on hi, 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 15, 2015, 09:41:21 am

No, QB Matt Cassell helped put the clamps on Dez.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on December 15, 2015, 10:15:56 am
Exactly
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 15, 2015, 01:53:44 pm
Jerry Jones: Weíre not going to shut Dez Bryant down

Posted by Josh Alper on December 15, 2015, 10:26 AM EST

GREEN BAY, WI - DECEMBER 13: Sam Shields #37 of the Green Bay Packers makes an interception on a pass intended for Dez Bryant #88 of the Dallas Cowboys in the first quarter at Lambeau Field on December 13, 2015 in Green Bay, Wisconsin. (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)
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Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant had a bad day in Green Bay in a 28-7 loss to the Packers as he had one ball go off his hands for an interception and other drops while catching just one pass for nine yards.

DROPS doesn't mean the QB missed him.  It was the defender who caused it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 15, 2015, 01:58:48 pm
James from Dubuque, IA

We often talk about the run game opening the passing game. How often do you see a team pass so effectively it opens the run game? Are the Patriots such a team?

The pass should open the run as the run opens the pass, but the pass has never seemed to have the same effect on the run the run has had on the pass. I donít know why that is, it just is, in my opinion. The Patriots are No. 1 in passing, but No. 27 in rushing. I guarantee Bill Belichick would run the ball if he felt he could; he did it against the Colts. Look at last seasonís Super Bowl. The Patriots passed it 50 times, but they rushed for negligible yardage. Why would they choose to throw against one of the best pass defenses in the game. Thereís a fear defenses have of getting the ball run down their throat that causes them to react quickly and with emphasis as soon as they get gashed with the run, but they donít seem to react as quickly to getting beat by the pass. I attribute it to fear of run.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 15, 2015, 06:29:25 pm
Moronic delusional Peckers fans:

"A lot of Packers fans really think that win, against a Cowboys team that is 1-8 without Tony Romo, was a wonderful one. The Packers led a terrible team, at home, 14-7 with less than five minutes left. Nobody outside of Wisconsin, watching that dull game on Fox, thought "Wow, this Packers team is ready to make a championship run!" Maybe the Packers will make that run, but they'll have to play a lot better to do so."

They will have runs....from all E-X-L-A-X from Rodgers.

Who have the Peckers beaten? No one. Lost to the Bears and Lions.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 15, 2015, 07:21:22 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2599050-nfl-report-cards-team-by-team-grades-for-week-14/page/34
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 15, 2015, 07:25:39 pm

  John Middlekauff
✔  ‎@JohnMiddlekauff 
From '03 through this year Julius Peppers has missed 2 games with injury. I repeat 2 games. One durable SOB


6:17 PM - 15 Dec 2015
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 15, 2015, 07:34:11 pm

Hereís a look at the rest of the impending unrestricted free agents and their chances of return to the Packers next season. Weíll put their chances of returning into three categories: likely, unlikely and 50-50.

Defense

B.J. Raji: The nose tackle started strong but his play has tapered off late in the season. However, after missing all of 2014 with a biceps injury, he has missed only one game this season. There wasnít a big market for him the last two times heís tried free agency. Chances of returning: 50-50

Letroy Guion: He was on the verge of a long-term deal last offseason before his arrest in February. Instead, he just did a one-year deal. Playing out of position at defensive end instead of nose tackle, he has not gotten back to his level of play from 2014, although he did come up with a key run stop on third-and-1 in Sundayís win over the Cowboys. He would come cheaper than Raji. Chances of returning: 50-50.

Mike Neal: The outside linebacker is finishing up a two-year, $8 million deal he signed during his first foray into free agency. His big-play production has been slightly less in his last two seasons (7.0 sacks) when compared to the two years right before his last contract (9.5 sacks). He has seemingly overcome durability issues from early in his career. Chances of returning: 50-50.

Nick Perry: The Packers declined the fifth-year option on the former first-round pick, making him eligible for free agency this offseason. He had a productive stretch with 3.5 sacks in three games before he missed the Week 6 game because of shoulder and hand injuries. He hasnít been as effective since. Like Neal early in his career, Perry has had trouble staying healthy. Chances of returning: 50-50.

Casey Hayward: Once considered a ball-hawk cornerback, Hayward hasnít had an interception since Week 10 of the 2014 season even though he has come back healthy and played every game following offseason foot surgery. Hayward is a solid slot cover man but considering how deep the Packers are with Sam Shields, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, LaDarius Gunter and Demetri Goodson, Haywardís best chance to be a full-time starter next season is likely elsewhere. Chances of returning: Unlikely.

Sean Richardson: After a second neck injury in four years, the backup safety is likely done in Green Bay and perhaps in the NFL. Chances of returning: Unlikely.



James Starks has been an essential part of the Packers' running back rotation, and the team would love to have him back next season. Jeff Hanisch/USA TODAY Sports

Offense

James Starks: Heís not a starter but is the perfect complementary running back to Eddie Lacy and has gotten over his early career injury woes. Chances of returning: Likely.

Don Barclay: The Packers like him as a utility offensive lineman. With 22 career starts at right tackle, perhaps thereís a team who would be willing to give him a shot at a full-time job. Chances of returning: 50-50.

John Kuhn: Just when it looked the fullback was being phased out, he played a season-high for snaps against the Cowboys. Chances of returning: 50-50.

Andrew Quarless: After missing most of the season with a knee injury, thereís unlikely to be much of a market for the backup tight end. The only question is whether the Packers will want to move on because they need to improve at this position. Chances of returning: 50-50.



Scott Tolzien: Perhaps thereís a team out there who might give him the chance to compete for a starting job. With rookie Brett Hundley looking like a promising prospect, the Packers might be OK with just keeping one backup quarterback on the roster. Chance of returning: 50-50.

James Jones: In pinch, he was a good pickup after Pro Bowl Jordy Nelson went down, especially considering that Ty Montgomery has missed two months because of his ankle injury, but thereís a reason heís been cut by the Giants and Raiders. Chances of returning: Unlikely.

Special teams

Mason Crosby: At 86.4 percent on field goals, the veteran kicker is on track for his second-best season. The Packers were loyal to Crosby during his 2012 slump, and he seems to like kicking in the cold weather. Chances of returning: Likely.


Most of these guys probably won't be back.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 17, 2015, 06:04:31 am
Before Gould missed the string of kicks, Mason Crosby had his own case of the yips a few seasons ago.  The Packers were wise to keep him, and the Bears would be wise to keep Gould.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 07:30:30 pm
I agree with you 100%, GB34.  Gould is a very good kicker in a simple slump, like Crosby was.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 07:41:03 pm
Chuck from Port Washington, WI

McCarthy yesterday talked about the importance of play sequencing. Play sequencing! If you think plays and their selection and sequencing arenít an integral and important component of winning NFL games, then you really donít fully understand the game of pro football and your column is more for entertainment of the ignorant than education of them, or maybe you are ignorant of this vital aspect of pro football and it is why you are not and never were or will be a successful NFL championship head coach, such as the four who have rolled through Green Bay, the latest of whom still resides there.

Iíll cry all night.


Another goofy fan .
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 07:48:28 pm
Dave from Hayward, WI

Vic, game planning by matchup seems to answer the players, not plays question very well. What is the relationship between matchups and scheme?

How a coach utilizes his personnel is the coachís true genius. The best coaches see talents otherwise hidden in a player, and they plan and scheme to utilize those talents in creative ways. Coach Capers is doing it this year with Datone Jones. Once those hidden talents are identified, plugging them into the scheme is easy. These coaches can draw you up a play on a cocktail napkin. Plays are for Maddenites. Fitting players into those plays is what separates coaches from fans who think theyíre coaches. Itís all about matchups, which is what I refer to as scheming personnel. When you scheme personnel, you use players to defeat plays. Thatís why itís players, not plays.


Believe it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 07:51:47 pm
Caleb from Eau Claire, WI

Vic, what causes changes at the line, generally speaking? Is it the QB changing what he sees as a potentially negative play, or is it him attempting to create a bigger play?

It could be both of those things, but adjustments at the line of scrimmage are commonly the result of where the strong safety and the true middle linebacker are positioned. The strong safety often defines the coverage, and the true middle linebacker dictates blocking assignments. Old-school football: Look through the middle linebacker to the strong safety and you should know where every defensive player on the field is.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 07:53:28 pm
Greg from Danbury, CT

Vic, three teams will be over the cap in 2016. Whatís the deadline for these teams to get their cap in order before the NFL intervenes?

The salary cap is in force 365 days a year, but the next yearís contract stipulations begin applying to that yearís salary cap on the first day of the league calendar year, which coincides with the start of free agency and trading.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 07:56:24 pm
Eddie Lacy voted FedEx Ground Player of the Week

Posted 2 hours ago

Packers RB wins online vote after 124-yard outing
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 17, 2015, 08:10:08 pm
packrat if play calling doesn't matter then why did McCarthy take it back over?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 08:16:16 pm
Andrew from Sacramento, CA

Iím going to the game on Sunday. Itís supposed to be pouring rain, windy and cold. Are we in for a gritty, classic, late-season ballgame?

I can see the seagulls now, gathering near the playersí feet as they huddle, the air heavy with moisture from the bay and thick with the sound of that haunting song, the Packersí white jerseys bearing an occasional mud stain from the Coliseum turf that always seems to be wet, just as another teamís white jerseyís bore those mud stains a long time ago. Itís the same mud, just different teams playing in it. I guess Al Davis really wasnít watering the field, but I think he enjoyed the accusation he was, and it always made for a good story, which is most important. Everything about that place is dark and heavy and damp, all of which aptly describe the press box of my youth. One more time weíll meet, and then weíll say goodbye.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 17, 2015, 08:24:23 pm
packrat if play calling doesn't matter then why did McCarthy take it back over?

That's not exactly what he said.  He said the important thing was players performance, not schemes
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 17, 2015, 08:42:42 pm
Of course players have to perform but the coaches have to put them in the best position to perform.  It all goes hand in hand. 

For instance you do not run into the strength of a 9 man front.  However if the dime package is in and their best run stuffing Dt is taking a breather it may be a good time to run.

Play calling matters.  It isn't the only thing but it most certainly matters.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2015, 11:26:02 am

Coaches can control the play called but not the play execution.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 04:24:56 pm
I certainly agree with those points.

In the case of GB,  they were in a good old fashioned slump.  I doubt there was much difference in the play calling  but the team felt comfort of the previous calls by MM put them back in the old frame of mind.  After all, GB won the first six straight games before the enigmatic slump.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on December 18, 2015, 06:35:39 pm
Quote
John Middlekauff
✔  ‎@JohnMiddlekauff 
From '03 through this year Julius Peppers has missed 2 games with injury. I repeat 2 games. One durable SOB

Not impressed.  Not that hard to do when you only play part time when you are on the field.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 07:31:56 pm
He has played well at OLB in GB.  Nearly every player on the GB roster has said they have benefitted from his presence.  He has made some big plays.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 07:52:04 pm
Vic, What part of the packers team is your greatest area of concern currently? Anything you will be paying particular attention to on Sunday?

Health of the wide receiving corps.

Comment From Robert

Vic doesn't have concerns, he just watches!

Bingo! Try it. You'll like it.

Comment From Bob

Not Shields being out?

Randall? Rollins? Depth at cornerback is a wonderful luxury.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 07:58:05 pm
Comment From yooper

Jake Ryan missed a few assignments last week. I see him as a solid future ILB. Agree?

Yeah, but I'd like that to happen now, and I think it can. He wants to run and hit. Coach Moss will coach him up. It'll happen. Ryan could be a missing link player late in the season.               
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 08:01:44 pm
Comment From AllanFQ

Vic, has the committee reached an agreement on what a catch is?

Yes, the receiver must take the ball home and sleep with it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 08:33:25 pm
On Friday, Montgomeryís frustration level seemed to reach new heights after he experienced another setback in practice this week. Montgomery said the only thing he can do now is wait for more tests and treatment.

"Iím kind of fed up with the process," Montgomery said.

Montgomery practiced on a limited basis on Wednesday but was unable to return to the field on Thursday.

"I just canít play football like myself right now," he said.

It was the second time in the past month that Montgomery appeared to be close to a return only to experience a setback. At this point, the only option left might be to shut down Montgomery for the season

I wish this guy would get healed.  He cold be a big help in this stretch drive.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 08:35:39 pm
However, they also might need another receiver for Sundayís game at Oakland. Davante Adams was added to the injury report on Thursday with what McCarthy called a heel injury and was listed as questionable for Sunday.

Crap!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on December 18, 2015, 08:40:01 pm
That's a plus for your team.

Mason Crosby is probably a better WR than Davante Adams.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2015, 08:41:51 pm
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The Green Bay Packers will be without cornerback Sam Shields for Sundayís game at the Oakland Raiders after he did not clear the concussion protocol.


Get the latest NFL injury news

NFLWho's out? Who's good to go? Who's questionable? We've got all the latest injury news from around the NFL. Injury Wire

Coach Mike McCarthy said Friday that Shields will not make the trip.

It likely means he will start a pair of rookie cornerbacks, Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins.

Randall, the Packersí first-round pick, moved into the starting lineup last month in place of Casey Hayward, who was moved back into the nickel (or third cornerback) role. Rollins, the second-round pick, replaced Shields after he departed 12 plays into last weekís game against the Cowboys.

"The young defensive backs have done a good job," McCarthy said Friday. "Theyíve had the whole week to prepare, so weíll be ready to go."

The Packers may also be thin at receiver after Davante Adams was added to the injury report following Thursdayís practice because of a foot injury. McCarthy said Friday that the medical staff was still gathering information about what appears to be a problem with his heel.

Plenty of CBs but a shortage of healthy WRs.  Whod'a thunk it?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 18, 2015, 10:54:44 pm
Quote
He has played well at OLB in GB.
Agreed. Especially liked it when last year he told Morgan Burnett to get down after a interception that could have turned the tide of the Seahawks game. Rather than Burnett running as far as he could, good ol Peppy told him to get down, helping the Seachickens. Loved it...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 am
That's a plus for your team.

Mason Crosby is probably a better WR than Davante Adams.

LOL
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 20, 2015, 08:14:50 pm
No,  Peppers call was OK.  Ever play after that was bad. No, incredibly bad. 

Anyone who thinks Pepper was not a asset for the Pack doesn't know football. 

Now you criticize a very good Kicker, Gould, because he hit a slump.  I wnoder if you guys deserve a good team.

LOL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 20, 2015, 08:30:31 pm
I thought certainly that the Packers would eventually heal up but if they keep getting still more injuries and no one heals up it will be tough to win the SB.  Please don't let the NE cheaters sneak in, again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 20, 2015, 08:32:59 pm

Mike Spofford  packers.com senior writer   

Julius Peppers moves into top 10 on NFL's all-time sack list



OAKLAND Ė It was a superb start followed by a strong finish for the Packers defense on Sunday.


Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-locker-room-report/article-1/Fast-start-stout-finish-work-for-Packers-defense/3e5297c2-f35d-4b27-8ba0-b4fe476a2bb0#ixzz3uv1bRXOu
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 20, 2015, 08:42:07 pm
drives to keep Green Bay in control.

Julius Peppers got one of his 2 Ĺ sacks on the day by fighting through a holding call to bring down Carr. Peppers now leads the Packers with 9 Ĺ sacks on the season, and with 135 in his career, he moved past Lawrence Taylor, Leslie OíNeal, John Abraham and DeMarcus Ware into 10th place on the NFLís all-time sack list.

ďThatís the main objective every week is to get pressure on the quarterback, disrupt his game,Ē Peppers said. ďI thought we did that fairly decent and came away with a couple big plays.Ē


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 20, 2015, 08:46:19 pm
Cannot wait for the inevitable matchup with Seattle or Zona in the playoffs to end these clowns and their 'how great is our team' bs.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 20, 2015, 09:23:42 pm
Yep.  Big shock.  Someone must lose.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 21, 2015, 02:06:30 pm
Iíve been doing that for a long time. Let it go. Just win, baby. The Packers did.




Reed from McFarland, WI

I am trying to adopt your ďwatch and enjoyĒ mantra, Vic. It has helped this year. I like McCarthyís comments about the negativity and having 10 wins. The question is will this type of football be good enough to make it to February?

I think weíre going to get the answer to that question in Arizona. Aaron Rodgers called it a good test. I believe itís a true measuring-stick game. The Cardinals are one of two teams in the NFC by which the others will be judged.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 21, 2015, 02:09:58 pm
Jeppe from Esbjerg, Denmark

Iím stunned how this team has won 10 games. In my eyes, the Packers have not played as a team that should even get close to 10 wins. Is it a matter of pure luck, or am I missing something?

The Packers do not have the rankings of a 10-win team. Again, what does that say about the job this teamís coaching staff has done? It tells me Coach McCarthy and his staff know how to win, and it tells me theyíve created a habit and a template for winning among the players.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 21, 2015, 02:16:52 pm
Fabian from Munich, Germany

Vic, at some point in yesterdayís postgame press conference, it seemed like the reporters were afraid to ask a question, because of Aaron Rodgersí mood. What did you take away from the press conference that was not directly said, but could be read between the lines?

I didnít sense any fear for asking Rodgers questions, nor did I sense anything between the lines. I sensed a wonderful give and take between Rodgers and reporters. They asked, he answered. I sensed truth. It was cleansing, and I appreciate his honesty.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 21, 2015, 02:23:58 pm
Ross from Tremont, IL

Vic, I hope the lights were on when our Packers came home last night.

I donít know because my lights went out somewhere over Wyoming. It was a long day. I woke up when the wheels bumped the ground in Green Bay Ė it always scares me awake when that happens. I returned to my roots in Oakland, and then I returned to the 21st century upon landing in Green Bay. I fully appreciate the sense of urgency the Raiders franchise is experiencing.

Raphael from Paris, France

How good was it to see those back-shoulder connections again? Theyíre getting it, slowly but surely theyíre getting it. Too late?

I agree, theyíre getting it, and itís not too late, itís just in time.

David from London, England

This teamís identity is that eventually itíll find a way to win.

Whatever it takes. I think thatís its motto. I began to get that feeling a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 21, 2015, 02:25:20 pm
Evan from Green Bay, WI

The arrowís direction?

The Packers are 3-0 in December. Their arrow is pointing straight up, and its direction will get its sternest test next Sunday in Arizona. In my mind, itís the game of the year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 21, 2015, 02:49:41 pm
Earlier in the year, after the six straight wins I was very confident that the Packers' injuries  would let up andthe injured players would heal.  Incredibly, the injuries continued and many of the players still haven't healed up; especially the WRs and the O-Line.  The Defense  has improved very well but not enough to carry the team.

At this point I would not bet on the Packers to win the SB.  I'll root for them and believe they have a fair shot at winning it but not enough so to bet on them.  Something overwhelming could happen but you don't bet on that.  The  young players have grown but they still need more playing time to fully develop.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 22, 2015, 05:58:18 am
I think the Packers 10 wins is an indictment on the mediocrity of the league.  When the Bears have won and lost games by the closest of margins, they could be at 9-5 or 2-12 right now.  They have less than average talent, and I think many of the teams could state the same.  There are a handful of talented teams in the league, and those teams will be the ones competing to win it all.  The loss of Jordan has truly limited the Packers and the offensive line is held together with scotch tape.  Starks is your best running back, and I would be surprised if McCarthy does not believe that too.

The Packers will make the playoffs but if they make it to the conference championship, I will be floored.  Panthers, Cardinals, and Seahawks and if you want a dark horse, watch the Redskins.  They are building confidence right now.  I still put them in the boat with the Packers and Vikings, but a team that could surprise.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2015, 08:51:30 pm
I agree, BUT the Pack will be back at full strength next season.  Eventually the injured  players will recover and the very good looking players from this  2015 draft  will mature.  Too late to help this year, though.

Look for teams with good QBs to excel again next season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2015, 08:53:58 pm

Packers 9th in Fansided Power Rankings3h agoon IR.
Green Bay Packers long snapper Brett Goode placed on IR4h ago

Even the long snapper on IR this season.  Good grief.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2015, 09:19:49 pm
Jordan from Hamilton, NY

Vic, Aaron Rodgers is too good of a quarterback to be having this type of season. Even with a stout offensive front, they are bottom third in the NFL. He seems less passionate this year and never takes shots down field. Are we seeing a decline in Aaron Rodgers or a very lackluster offensive coaching staff?

Youíre seeing the effects of a great quarterback being married to a great coaching staff. Thatís how the Packers have managed to win 10 games despite having lost their star wide receiver before the season began.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2015, 09:26:05 pm
Cale from Little Chute, WI

Why isnít your offense better? I said I was going to work towards a more balanced team and weíre headed in that direction. McCarthy is impressive.

Direction, meet destination. We have run out of highway, Cale. I think Coach McCarthy knows it. Sunday, weíll find out if the Packers have arrived.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2015, 09:35:33 pm
Craig from Indianapolis, IN

If the Packers are going to make a deep run, they need someone else to emerge in the passing game, like Starks elevated the run game in 2010. Could Abbrederis be the guy?

Thatís the whole idea of draft and develop.

Abbrederis is probably the onl guy in sight who could.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2015, 09:45:45 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/green-bay-packers
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:17:43 pm
Tony from Hershey, PA

I donít understand. Russell Wilson makes average receivers look like superstars. Tom Brady makes average receivers look like superstars. Cam Newton is starting to make average receivers look like superstars. Why canít Rodgers?

Today is Festivus and we are conducting the airing of grievances. I have a grievance against your opinion: It is unfounded, unfair and misleading. Wilson has thrown for 3,538 yards, 29 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Rodgers has thrown for 3,379 yards, 29 touchdowns and six interceptions. Wilson is 9-5, Rodgers is 10-4. Whereís the gap? Brady doesnít have a star receiver? Newton has thrown for 3,402, 33 and 10. His stats are largely the same as Rodgersí, but Newton is 14-0, largely because he has the No. 3 running game, No. 3 overall defense, No. 6 run defense and No. 5 pass defense. Rodgers is having a year the equal of nearly all the top quarterbacks. Heís not the problem, the fansí expectations for him are.


Ban Tony.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:20:34 pm
Tom from West Bend, WI

Why do some fans think by demanding a Super Bowl win they are merely having high standards? Do you think they apply those high standards to aspects of their lives they actually have some control over?

I do not, and you have touched on another worthy grievance: living vicariously. Itís OK for kids to do that, but weíre supposed to be adults. Before we can expect athletes to be role models for our children, we need to be role models for our children.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:23:08 pm
Kerry from San Antonio, TX

Vic, I found this interesting among all the angst about the absence of a deep threat. Aaron Rodgers is No. 3 in the league with 25-plus-yard completions (34). Am I the only one optimistic about this offense, Vic?

Itís a dink-and-dunk league. No one is getting that. Plus, I called it before last season began, and Iím not getting the credit I deserve for being a visionary, so I have a grievance about that. I would like more credit.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:27:04 pm
Bryce from Iron Mountain, MI

My only grievance is youíre out of the thing.

Yesterday, I had two things. I gave one of them to a co-worker and told her I had a thing for her. Now I only have one thing and itís mine forever. You had your chance. I reject your grievance.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:31:43 pm
Bill from Sidney, MT

My grievance is the Packers have way too many late games. Green Bay should play home games at noon on Sundays, not later in the day or at night.

I accept and applaud your grievance. I think the NFL should adopt a rule that no team may play more than half of its home games at a time other than the early-Sunday kickoff time Ė do they have that rule and I missed it? When the Packersí schedule was first announced, four of the teamís eight home games were set for noon on Sunday. I have a grievance against flexing: Itís unfair to the ticket-buyers, the most loyal and valued of the teamís fan base.


I agree but just complain and see what that gets you.>;
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:35:53 pm
C.J. from Edinboro, PA

My grievance is why an old, ink-stained wretch such as you has such a problem with Madden? Itís increased footballís popularity among my generation, which increases the pool of revenue from which you draw. So, in other words, Madden has been very, very good to Vic.

I accept your grievance, but I will not change my stance on Madden because itís deluding fans into believing they know football. Football is about the human condition. Madden is not. If you lack feel for the human confrontation football provides us, you know nothing about the game. I want fans to know and appreciate the most wonderful game in the history of the world.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 07:46:56 pm
(http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2015/12-december/151223-lovato-950.jpg)

From Jersey sandwich maker to Packers long snapper

Rookie Rick Lovato worked out in Green Bay just last week

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 23, 2015, 08:03:16 pm
Fullback John Kuhn was named first alternate.

Other alternates include WR Randall Cobb, DT Mike Daniels, WR James Jones, RB Eddie Lacy, G T.J. Lang, LB Julius Peppers and CB Sam Shields.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 24, 2015, 05:22:28 pm
John from Elsmere, KY

What was your opinion on the Ravensí pants they wore against the Chiefs? And being as you donít cover the Steelers anymore and can give an unbiased opinion, how far do you see them going this year? I have a feeling the secondary will be the Achilles heel of this team against Brady or Wilson, to name a few.

At first, I thought the Ravens had stolen the Steelersí pants. The Ravensí uniforms are kind of dull; anything colorful would be an improvement. The Steelers? So, when I was covering them I needed to be biased, but now that Iím not covering them itís OK to be objective? I donít get that. I think Mike Tomlin has done a sensational job of getting that team to where it is, despite having lost Maurkice Pouncey and LeíVeon Bell, and fighting through a season with a secondary that was expected to be a trouble spot from the beginning. Expectations for them are not high, and I think thatís increasing their fansí joy. If that secondary or the pass rush gets hot, you never know. As far as the Packersí secondary, I think itís one of the best young groups in the league. I think itís one of the true strengths of this team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 25, 2015, 05:27:20 pm
http://usave.it/player/player.php?plyrid=2&plyrrec=20411&plyrw=420


Jerry, the jerk, Jones.   >:(
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 25, 2015, 05:51:35 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/_ia21ZNMxe/?taken-by=titletown_edits


MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:10:53 pm
Packers aren't the same team when they get called for all of the holding they do!

24-0!  LOL!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 27, 2015, 05:18:36 pm
The Pack is 'back' alright, wow....this is a royal butt kicking!! They're getting smashed!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 27, 2015, 05:19:22 pm
Good comedy.

Not even close to playoff team.

Wahhhhhhhodgers is getting old. 33 next year
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 27, 2015, 05:20:41 pm
Buttpacker Bob, Wausau, WI

Hi Vic, why do the Peckers suck so bad?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 27, 2015, 05:22:07 pm
Here comes that penalty ****, again.  You will never learn  that is not true, even with all the official statistics.  If that foolishness makes you happy , enjoy that], athough it will never replace good play by the Bears.  If you want to win, get a better team.

Its hard to believe that any sa ne person could hate  sports team to be so blind.  It's a game, man.

We'll talk more next season when the Packers get the other half of their team back next season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 27, 2015, 05:22:15 pm
Yep, Peckers on offense hold EVERY play.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:22:38 pm
31-0!

McCarthy should pull him before he is injured badly.  They couldn't protect him with Baluga.  With out him forget about it.

McCarthy needs to give the O-line some help.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 27, 2015, 05:24:23 pm
It's been written in articles that "McCarthy wants to force the NFL to call holding" - every offensive lineman hold the jersey/plyer. McCarthy coaches that way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 27, 2015, 05:26:06 pm
31-0!

McCarthy should pull him before he is injured badly.  They couldn't protect him with Baluga.  With out him forget about it.

McCarthy needs to give the O-line some help.

Yeah get the rest of the ream back off the bench.

I know that you are taking five years of utter frustration but at least try to be sane.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 27, 2015, 05:26:51 pm
Ben Dover, Fondel my Sac, WI

Hi Vic, why do the Peckers have to hold every play? Why can't they play real footall?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:28:16 pm
There are things you can do to help with protection.  Bring the TE to help, have the RB's chip.  McCarthy doesn't do that very often.

He has been blessed with HoF QB's and he puts it on them. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 27, 2015, 05:31:06 pm
I'll be back when you are finifhed with your senseless blather.  Enjoy your day of ectstacy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:35:43 pm
Don't blame me.  Even the know nothing announcers mentioned that McCarthy doesn't like to help out the O-line. 

The Bears have been using TE's to help all year.  Sometimes even keeping two in to help.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:38:02 pm
By the way how classless is Clay Matthews?

Putting his hand out to help up Carson Palmer then when he reaches for it he pulls it away.  WTF?

No one says you have to help up the other team but don't act like you are then stop at the last minute to make them look silly.  That is grade school ****.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:42:23 pm
Aikmen just said it again.  I guess he doesn't know anything about protecting the QB in the NFL.

Said it again before I could even finish typing.

Or you can believe I am just talking out my ass.

TD CARDINALS!!!

Rodgers sacked three times in a row!!!! 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:44:02 pm
38-8.

Sit Rodgers before he starts crying.

Looks like they are finally getting smart and are pulling him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 27, 2015, 05:44:03 pm
Wow...this is unreal! Zona having their way with the Pakey. Smashing them, thrashing them and destroying them. What do they have so far, 8 sacks and a couple for TD's?? lol.....couldn't happen to a better team. Sorry, PR, but I'm thoroughly enjoying this....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on December 27, 2015, 05:45:04 pm
the Cardinals are making Rodgers look like Jay Cutler today.
Hope AZ represents the NFC in the SuperBowl.
I don't think my Panthers are ready yet.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:46:04 pm
Nope Rodgers back in but they are going to run it with a beat up Lacy.  They don't trust the other guy cause he fumbled.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:46:41 pm
Rodgers staring at the clock with tears in his eyes!  Is this over yet?  HAHA
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 27, 2015, 05:47:29 pm
Really hope the Queens win the division.....Rodgers keeps playing, he's gonna be knocked out of this game!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: stelz on December 27, 2015, 05:49:30 pm
Wow....I took a little nap after the Bears game and woke up to the a Packers down 31.  Then three sacks in a row and giving up a TD.  Fun!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 05:50:17 pm
Rodgers has taken a beating today.  All game long.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 27, 2015, 05:53:58 pm
I am glad Devonte Adams is on the peckers.

AND that was one of the worst pass inferences ever in the history of the NFL. Nice dive. They did not deserve a TD there.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: stelz on December 27, 2015, 05:58:02 pm
Ben Dover, Fondel my Sac, WI

Hi Vic, why do the Peckers have to hold every play? Why can't they play real footall?

LMAO!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 06:08:30 pm
That is a safety.  Tolzien entire body and the ball where behind the goal line.  Only thing out was his front foot.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 27, 2015, 06:18:50 pm
The score is 38-8 and the ass-hole HC is still throwing long, payers still hitting Rodgers to the helmet. challenging a non-safety call for 2 ints.  I know this guy hasn't won anything but this the paek of poor sportsmanship.  I don't know whether of not he will be around in th future but MM will be and what does aroung comes round,

I guess you didn't se any of that crap. Pekin.  You are beyond rationality.  I t'.s sport, not WW III
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 06:24:16 pm
Not a Cardinals fan so don't care if they are classless or not.

I do know Matthews is a grade A Dbag.  Reaching out to help a player up then pulling your hand back at the last moment?  Come on!

I also know the Packers have ran up the score and challenged calls also when they have had big leads.  They have done it for years.  Why do you think everyone hates the Packers except Packer fans?

Getting a taste of their own medicine for once.  It is nice I could get used to it.  Maybe the Packers will go into a long cycle of losing.  That would be nice.  Get rid of all the band wagon Packer fans in Illinois.  Bunch of loud mouthed jag bags.  Same guys probably used to be Niners fans in the 80's...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 06:27:27 pm
That is not an attack on you Packrat.  I have no problem with folks who have been Packers fans for ages.  Especially if they grew up in Wisconsin.  I just hate the Packer fans that are only Packer fans because they have been winning a lot for the last 20 years.  There is a whole lot of those type of folks especially in Central Illinois.  Generally if they haven't lived in Wisconsin or their family didn't move from there they are band wagon fans.

I would have felt the same way about Bears fans living in Wisconsin in the mid 80's unless they were from the Platteville area.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 07:02:47 pm
Anyone else notice that some messages cut off for no reason?  Also if you try and fix them it gets worse and more words drop off...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 27, 2015, 08:07:10 pm
Think that's called the 'beer effect', Peke.

That was most definitely a safety. They even said the ball has to be entirely IN the endzone, and they said it was and even showed it! Crazy ref job...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on December 27, 2015, 08:10:13 pm
Clay Matthews is a classless piece of ****.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 08:10:56 pm
No I have noticed it in mine several times.  When I look at it to edit it it is all there but posts is missing some.  I have noticed in other posts as well lately.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 08:12:01 pm
Dave yes he is.  That was classless and childish. 

Roid boy needs his blood drawn and tested.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on December 27, 2015, 10:07:04 pm
I heard the announcer say Clay offered to help Palmer up and he refused. I didn't see it though.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on December 27, 2015, 11:12:00 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2015, 11:17:15 pm
Matthews is an asshat.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on December 28, 2015, 06:28:23 am
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on December 28, 2015, 06:29:17 am
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on December 28, 2015, 06:55:26 am
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on December 28, 2015, 10:33:16 am
Wow, I did not so many cardinal fans posted in here.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 28, 2015, 10:45:21 am
Only when they demolish the Pake, Otts, only when they demolish the Pake.... :D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 28, 2015, 10:53:24 am
Matthews = **** of the year
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 28, 2015, 10:54:43 am
Erin Rodgers is getting old before our eyes. Julia Peppers MIA again - like his last year in Chicago.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 28, 2015, 11:39:56 am
Well if that HGH story has legs or if the NFL starts testing for recombinant human erythropoietin (EPO) (like Gleison Tibau UFC fighter who failed), some very high profile players butt-holes should be pucker up (as the drug is supposedly VERY expensive to get).....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 28, 2015, 12:12:20 pm
That Clay Matthews video is viral now. What an A-hole.

How about some more holding by the Peckers o-line. I am serious - several of are writing the league offices about this. We have so many pictures of their O-line holding - one, and I wish I could post it has THREE peckers O-lineman holding and of course no call.

Mikey McCarthy "We force the NFL to call it"
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 29, 2015, 06:07:44 pm
Packersí Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers deny Al Jazeera allegations

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 29, 2015, 6:54 PM EST

GREEN BAY, WI - OCTOBER 2: Julius Peppers #56 of the Green Bay Packers celebrates with Sam Shields #37, Letroy Guion #98, and Clay Matthews #52 after scoring against the Minnesota Vikings on an interception in the second quarter on October 02, 2014 at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin. (Photo by John Konstantaras/Getty Images)
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Three Packers players were named in the same Al Jazeera documentary that suggested Peyton Manning had received human growth hormone, and those players are as upset about the report as Manning was.

In the documentary, former Guyer Institute intern Charlie Sly is recorded saying that he spent six weeks in Green Bay and that Packers linebacker Mike Neal brought ďmore than half the teamĒ to see him. The only other Packers named in the documentary are linebackers Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers, both of whom denied the allegations.

ďI think itís [expletive] to be completely honest with you,Ē Matthews said, via the Green Bay Press-Gazette. ďItís 100 percent falsified, fabricated information. I donít who this guy is. I couldnít tell you what he looks like. Iíve never talked with him. Iíve never communicated with him. So for him to bring my name up like that, which appears to be out of thin air, itís [expletive] for a lack of a better term.Ē

The documentary says Matthews used the painkillers percocet and Toradol, as well as ďnewer drugs to boost his hormone levels.Ē Matthews said he has never used anything other than what the Packersí team doctor prescribed.

ďEvery medication I have is prescribed from our team physician,Ē he said.

Peppers, who is accused in the documentary of taking a performance-enhancing substance called D2, also denied the charges.

ďItís not true,Ē Peppers said. ďItís completely erroneous, and I think itís irresponsible journalism, in my opinion. Iím subject to the same steroid and drug-testing policy as everybody else. So I donít understand how I could be linked to something like this.Ē

Neal refused to either confirm or deny anything from the documentary, in which Sly portrays himself as a friend of Nealís.

ďYou might as well stop asking me questions,Ē Neal said. ďI mean, Iím sure you saw how pissed off Peyton Manning was about somebody coming out with false accusations. So if you want to **** me off, thatís one thing. But please donít ó if you want to talk about football, letís talk about that.Ē

Whether the Packers like it or not, however, people will be talking about these allegations. And for as much as the publicity about the Al Jazeera report has surrounded Manning, the allegations against the Packers are even stronger.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 29, 2015, 06:13:36 pm
Matthews was using stuff to boost his hormone levels?  Come on it isn't as if he was small then got huge quickly then his play fell off and he looked noticeably smaller the year they were going to start testing.  Then got bigger and started playing better again when they didn't test for it.  Plus he never acts like an enraged steroid junkie on the field flexing and screaming or anything.

I mean if any of that happened this story might have legs...   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on December 29, 2015, 07:49:51 pm
wears long sleeved shirts. Just sayin'.  Rodgers is 33 and got the absolute living hell beat out of him. at that age, you don't do many of those. Left after him? not a lot.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on December 29, 2015, 10:52:49 pm
46 - agreed - remember Danny White in 1985 when the Bears pounded the Cowboys - his career was through.

Erin Rodgers is 32 years old and played a lot of football. Queens will blitz that crap line all day long
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on December 29, 2015, 10:55:38 pm
The Packers will game plan to cover up the weaknesses.  I will be rooting for the Vikings all day long but they won't kick the Packers butt like the Cardinals did.  Cardinals have more talent.

I am guessing it will be a close game.  Could go either way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2015, 05:48:10 am
Loser of Packers/Lions play the Skins, and winner get's a home game with Seattle.  Minny has gotten themselves on a roll, will be interesting.  I would favor either NFC North team against the Skins, but I wouldn't count the Skins out.  They are playing much better in December.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on December 30, 2015, 06:38:39 am
You mean losers of Pakers/Queens. We play Detoilet in the toilet bowl fighting for last spot. Of course the last game is in Cheeseheadville so Matthews roid rage will be in high gear. Still rooting for the Queens....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 03:30:06 pm
After 10 consecutive SB runs it is only natural for Packer haters to pile on a big Packer loss but it makes me sick to hear the delight at players being injured.  Gentlemen (?) that is an example of fans gone wild  over a game.  Shame on Bears fans demonstrating this kind of behavior.  If I ever do that you have a right to criticize Packer fans. 
tch, tch.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 03:39:11 pm

Posted 6 hours ago

  Vic Ketchman  packers.com editor Ask Vic a question   

I better not see a sea of purple on Sunday


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 03:42:21 pm
A.J. from Sheboygan Falls, WI

Vic, you've said it all year long; itís about personnel and matchups. You play to win the game! This team matches up better against the Redskins and the Panthers than it does playing against the Cardinals and Vikings. With that being said, wouldnít it make more sense to lose this game and play for the matchups that favor your team more? Who gives a hoot about the division championship if we could have better matchups to get to the Super Bowl?

To not play to win goes to a franchiseís soul. Itís a stain, in my opinion, thatís difficult to remove. Even in the case of teams that have clinched everything and are wise and justified to rest key players for the postseason, I donít like it, and Iíve seen several instances when it hasnít been rewarded. Thereís something about the integrity of playing all out all the time that feeds the soul of a true winner. You build momentum from victory, not defeat.


N.B.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 03:55:55 pm
Tom from Fairfield, CT

Vic, how do wide receivers of Jordy Nelsonís age tend to perform after ACL surgery? Iím not optimistic the old Jordy will return because of the seriousness of this injury and his position as wide receiver.

Itís a daunting challenge. He knows that. Your question caused me to do some research on the subject, and I found some medical sites that have done tests on this topic and the results of one such test claims a significant sample saw their careers end as a result of ACL surgery. It is an especially daunting challenge for the guys that play this game with their legs, so to speak. Iím especially talking about wide receivers and cornerbacks. Yet, the game is full of success stories. Darrelle Revis underwent ACL surgery and heís playing as well as he ever has. Jeremy Maclin is said to have become a more explosive receiver following ACL surgery. Guys Iíve covered? Rod Woodson went on to have a long and productive career. In the í70s, ACL surgery was the death knell of a career. It was bulky and highly invasive surgery that robbed a player of his speed and agility. It turned his leg into wood. Those days are gone. The surgical procedure is much more sophisticated, and players are routinely recovering from ACL surgeries these days, but the results vary, and dedication to recovery is thought to be a main contributor. It sure hasnít damaged Adrian Peterson.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:03:28 pm
Comment From Daniel

Mike, Are the Packers injuries just too much to overcome?

They were on Sunday. Losing both starting OTs did not bode well. If the line can get healthy -- and that's a big if considering the guys who have been playing are banged up and not practicing much -- that would be a start on offense.


Seldom, this season have the Packers had more then 3  starting OLs in the line-up.  Hard to compensate for that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:07:29 pm
Eric from Sauk City, WI

Vic, how many years have you covered this sport? And how many times have you seen the team you cover have a chance at winning their division for a fifth consecutive year?

Iíve covered the NFL for 44 years and if the Packers win on Sunday, it will be the first time since the 1974-79 Steelers that Iíve covered a team thatís won five consecutive division titles. Those teams won six in a row.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:12:31 pm
Azad from Milwaukee, WI

The way I remember it, the 2006 Colts defense rebounded because Bob Sanders came back from injury.

Youíre right. One guy did that for the Colts. Whoís that one guy whoíll do it for the Packers? Who will emerge and be the game-changer this team so desperately needs?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:13:23 pm
Comment From Scott LC

Mike, what did you think of Clay Matthews offering his hand to help Carson up off the turf only to quickly pull it away? I laughed out loud but was it unsportsmanlike?

I'm just guessing, but maybe that was something of a USC thing, even though those guys didn't play there at the same time?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:15:34 pm
Comment From Guest

What needs to happen for the Packers to play the Seahawks instead of the Vikings in the first round of the playoffs?

Packers beat Vikings, Seahawks lose to Cardinals
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:18:43 pm
Comment From Timmy D

Why is there so much hatred for Mike McCarthy? The man is a brilliant coach and has taken us to 7 straight playoffs and a superbowl. I just don't get why all of these radio shows are crucifying him, most likely for conversation and drama?

Of course. You answered your own question.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:20:54 pm
Comment From Guest

I get the idea of draft and development theory. I am one who looks long term and I just don't see any sure fire Packer "drafties" destined for stardom. Who do you see in the future on becoming a legitimate probowl starter that was drafted in the last five years?

You're kidding, right? Randall, Daniels, maybe Bakhtiari, Clinton-Dix, Linsley. Lacy already has been to the Pro Bowl I think. I could see any of those other five developing their games to that level.             
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:22:03 pm
Comment From Troy

Too me it seems like we have heard all year about getting better, but it seems like it is broke and won't be fixed.

You may be right. Would you rather be right or hope you're wrong? Hey, as a writer, I'm thankful this team is always playing meaningful games at this stage of the season. The last few weeks in 2008 were way more brutal than anything that's gone on this season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2015, 04:37:52 pm
Comment From Noah

What's your honest assessment of this team right now?

Struggling offense. Solid special teams. Playoff-caliber defense that may need to go on a turnover binge for this team to make a serious run.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 12:15:45 am
The Ugly:
ēOffensive Line: We had to save the worst for last, and this group was definitely the worst last week. From the beginning of the game, it didnít look like they stood much of a chance; David Bakhtiari didnít start, and by the end of the game, Corey Linsley, T.J. Lang, and Bryan Bulaga would also be gone with injuries. What was left was a patchwork of backup linemen who got absolutely manhandled.
With the starters of the offensive line injured, there wasnít much hope for the offense the rest of the game. While I could have easily just put ďinjuriesĒ as the ugly for this week, it was still tough to watch players we know are capable of playing well get crushed so easily. The Packers are locked into the playoffs and still have a big game coming up, so itís going to be interesting to see how the team deals with both the injuries, and very ferocious players on Minnesotaís

Pretty hard to cover up 4 missing OL plaers by chipping with a TE.  Tsk, tsk.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 31, 2015, 05:37:23 am
If one thing is fortunate for the OL, they haven't had that decimating injury.  Torn acl, broken leg, can't return to action.  They always seem to be back the following week, but they have to be a percentage of what they are healthy.  In the years we were winning and just missing the playoffs or slipping in, those games where we got blown out during the regular season were never wake up calls.  They were harbringers.  Arians is not a coach who let's his foot off the gas.  He wants to break your spirit.  And that happened.

I don't think the Pack has the gas to get out of the 2nd round.  They may win the first playoff if they draw the Redskins, and then a lot right will have to happen because Washington is tougher at home.  Packers won't be riding a crest of confidence into the playoffs.  If you don't get some protection out of that line, Rodgers won't look very Rodgers.  If you draw Seattle in the first round, you are toast.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 09:40:43 pm
IMHO, I think you are right, Grizz.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 09:57:55 pm
Mark from Winfield, IL

Vic, reading about our sudden lack of depth at receiver and the fan pressure to give certain players more field time made me wonder what exactly improves with experience with receivers in a draft-and-develop system? Can you comment?

Route-running improves. The ability to read coverages and adjust the route correctly so the quarterback knows where youíll be improves. I suspect one of the reasons Alex Van Pelt was made wide receivers coach is so he might teach young receivers to think as a quarterback would think. Knowing how to set up a defender improves. The ability to sell a fake in a double-move route improves. Knowledge of the route tree and the role of each route in the scheme improves. Knowing how to read a defender so you capitalize on the position of his hips improves. Running with the ball after the catch improves. Thatís where Edgar Bennett was a benefit to young receivers when he was the wide receivers coach. He taught them how to run as a running back would. One of the big things is knowing where the ball is without seeing it. Iím talking about picking up the ball coming out of a receiverís break. It appeared to me Jeff Janis didnít see it quickly enough on that little turn-in route on the goal line last week. The ball got on him too quickly. Thatíll change with time and experience. Itís not just run fast and catch.

First time I have seen a possible reason listed for the delay in Janis' development.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:04:59 pm
Rod from Marysville, MI

Do you really think you know more than the average Packers fan? If so, why?

I know enough to know I donít know nearly as much about football as the coaches do. Do you know that much?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:06:55 pm
Jon from Campbell, CA

Kenny Stabler would have turned 70 a few days ago. Any good Kenny Stabler stories from a different time in the NFL?

Stabler was the true victim of the Immaculate Reception, because it wiped out his would-be game-winning touchdown scramble. Stabler had replaced Daryle Lamonica and Stabler wouldíve been the gameís hero. I also believe that had the Immaculate Reception not occurred, Stabler wouldíve been the starting quarterback the following week against the undefeated Dolphins, and I believe Stabler and the Raiders wouldíve won that game and then beaten the Redskins in the Super Bowl. All of that would be in Stablerís resume in the Hall of Fame. Fate is fickle and we are at its mercy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:08:03 pm
Bill from De Pere, WI

What if James Jones is tackled by his hoodie? Is that a horse-collar tackle?

No, because Jonesí hoodie is treated as hair hanging out of his helmet.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:11:14 pm
Pat from Edinburg, IA

Vic, do you think Clay should have helped Palmer up after the hit he put on him?

I actually kind of like that stuff. If I had been Carson Palmer, I wouldíve looked up my fellow Trojan and had a playful chat with him after the game. Iím weird like that. On the football field, I enjoy bad manners. Itís the place for it. Itís not a game for the well-adjusted. Thatís one of the reasons I love football. Iím not well-adjusted.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:13:24 pm
Vic, another member of the local sports media called this edition of the Packers ďpossibly the worst team in franchise history ever to win 10 or more games.Ē Do you think thatís a fair assessment?

Itís a shot you can take on the heels of a 38-8 loss. The response to that kind of shot canít be verbal. It must come in the form of performance on the field. Iíd like to see this team use all of the betrayal itís experiencing to fuel a playoff run. A little us-against-the-world attitude is a good thing at this time of the season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:16:57 pm
Bruce from Anaheim, TX

Vic, I agree with your response that New England like Green Bay has done a terrific job of sustaining excellence through the draft. I do believe they have been better with key free-agent signings like Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Wes Welker, Corey Dillon, Darrelle Revis and Brandon Browner. Much like the Ron Wolf signing of Reggie White and trade for Brett Favre, I believe the above players helped Brady and Belichick to fill key gaps. Is it unfair to say Ted Thompson is too worried about compromising the future with the salary requirements of a key free-agent signing? Appreciate your thoughts?

First of all, Moss, Welker and Dillon were all acquired in trades; they were not signed in free agency. Harrison was cut by San Diego prior to free agency, and the Patriots signed him as a street free agent. Revis and Browner were pricey free-agent additions, but they were signed to what I consider to be rent-a-player contracts; they were both gone after one season. The Revis and Browner signings were gutsy. They helped the Patriots win a Super Bowl, so I give them credit for having the courage and the football acumen to see an opportunity and make it work, but pricey, one-year contracts just arenít my way for building a football team. Iím a draft-and-develop guy who believes in patching in affordable free agency. The Patriots are unique. I think Iíve made my point: Tom Brady makes it work. I donít know why we persist in using one of the most unique teams in football history as an example of how to do it. They have Brady. He wins with Troy Brown and he wins with David Givens. He wins with Deion Branch and he wins with Reche Caldwell. He won this season with Dion Lewis and LeGarrette Blount, and I suspect heíll win with Steven Jackson. Brady is a very special player. I donít think heís fully appreciated.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:18:24 pm
Ryan from Platteville, WI

Last week, you said you didn't have any feel for the game prior to the matchup. How about this week?

The team that runs for the most yards will win.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on December 31, 2015, 10:24:51 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Mike_McCarthy_talks_January_football/7dea9956-1d40-4563-ba0a-9740590fe8ac
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 01, 2016, 06:56:29 pm
Tim from Grimes, IA

Do you think Ty Montgomeryís ankle injury is the straw that broke the camelís back?

Jordy Nelsonís knee injury was the first significant event of the 2015 season. Montgomeryís ankle injury might be the second. It appeared he was going to be the other threat the passing game needed.

I agree.  When Montgomery went out (for the season) GB  began its slump.  With no fast WRs available the passing game went into a tailspin.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 01, 2016, 06:59:49 pm
Darren from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

Who do you get the sense is going to step up these next couple of weeks?

Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 01, 2016, 07:06:27 pm
Kuhn was named to his third career Pro Bowl (2011, 2014). His three selections are tied with John Brockington (1971-73) and Cecil Isbell (1938, 1941-42) for the third most by a Packers running back/fullback, trailing only FB Jim Taylor (five, 1960-64) and RB Ahman Green (four, 2001-04). Kuhn is the first Green Bay FB to be named to the Pro Bowl in back-to-back seasons since Taylor went to five straight. He has helped a Green Bay rushing attack that ranks 10th in the NFL this season (118.3 yards per game). Kuhn has appeared in every game this year. It is the ninth consecutive season he has played in at least 14 games

KUHNNNNN.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: davebear on January 02, 2016, 01:35:48 pm
Brockington was a beast.

I remember a year the Packers had Brockington and another big bruising back, who I think they got from the Cardinals.

They had no QB so they got into the playoffs running.

In the playoffs their opponent lined up 5 defensive linemen and stopped them.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 02, 2016, 04:04:53 pm
Short carere for Brockington.  Remember MacArthur Lane?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 02, 2016, 04:13:58 pm
The Packersí starting offensive line rarely has been intact this season, and the situation got completely out of hand Sunday. Don Barclay opened the game starting in place of injured left tackle David Bakhtiairi and the results were abysmal in the first half as the line allowed three sacks and committed three costly holding penalties. But it got even worse when right tackle Bryan Bulaga left with an ankle injury in the third quarter. Replacement Josh Walker allowed a strip sack by linebacker Kareem Martin, with defensive tackle Cory Redding recovering Rodgersí fumble and returning it 36 yards for the TD that made it 31-0. After right guard T.J. Lang exited shortly afterward, forcing Lane Taylor into action, Cardinals defensive end Dwight Freeney beat Barclay for a strip sack and Jerraud Powers returned the fumble seven yards for a touchdown to put Arizona up 38-8.  After allowing Rodgers to be sacked eight times, the Packers finally spared him further punishment by bringing in Scott Tolzien (who was sacked once) in the fourth quarter.


Season story for GB OL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2016, 06:55:28 pm

We offer our sincerest sympathies on your season.  Uh..wait..aren't you guys still in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 03, 2016, 10:07:23 am
NFL going to finally start calling the Peckers for holding???? All the Peckers do is hold all game long. The Peckers offensive line holds all game long. The Peckers DBs hold all game long.

NFL never calls. it.

Mikey McCarthy said: "We force the NFL to call it" - he coaches this way.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 03, 2016, 06:59:09 pm
All 5 Pecker O-lineman are hurting. Should be a rough night for Erin.

Clay Matthews...ZERO tackles in the last 2 games. Must have run out of roids.

Where is Julia? Will he show up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 08:28:45 pm
Roid boy Matthews should have been ejected.  He was throwing punches because he got pancaked!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: octagon on January 03, 2016, 08:34:35 pm
Mathews also unnecessarily jumped on Bridgewater and drove him to the ground on third down when he could have easily grabbed and tackled him.   Bridgewater wasnt getting away from him, Mathews did his best to injure him.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 08:40:18 pm
That is a fumble and should have been Vikings ball and a TD.  **** refs blew the whistle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 08:43:08 pm
Yeah it was definitely an attempt to injure and if it was done to Rodgers it would have been unneccesary roughness. 

However while making him a prick I think it was legal as long as they call it the same both ways.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 08:44:47 pm
They seriously said that wasn't a fumble after reviewing it?  Unfucking real!

No wonder more and more people are starting to believe the NFL is fixed.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 09:28:51 pm
OK that was a sick INT.  No way that guy should have been able to make that catch.

Bridgewater just take the sack there...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 09:36:06 pm
Fumble and he pushed it forward.  Vikings TD!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2016, 10:46:10 pm
Vikings win!

Might be a blessing in disguise for Packer fans.  I wouldn't want to play Seattle right now.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 03, 2016, 11:57:32 pm
Irrelevant game.  Both teams go to play-offs.  Just  matter of where. Even with all the injuries and tough breaks everyone still fears the Pack.

Getting late.  Time for the Pack to get hot.
 
Forget about the penalty crap.  That only exists in  Peke's mind and Beer Belly has no brain.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on January 04, 2016, 08:35:24 am
And then delusion set in...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearHit on January 04, 2016, 09:42:23 am
R E L A X
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 04, 2016, 12:17:35 pm
Delusional Peckers fans. Let excuses flow!!!

E-X-L-A-X
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2016, 12:23:45 pm
Quote
everyone still fears the Pack.

I don't think that's the case this season, PR.... most teams would not want to play Seattle right now or even Cards. GB isn't in the equation. Would not surprise me one bit if even Washington knocks them out...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 04, 2016, 01:58:29 pm

I don't know that anyone FEARS anybody but you got to respect the Pack especially with Rodgers.

If you don't you're a fool.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on January 04, 2016, 02:53:03 pm
Yeah, anytime a team has THE MAN you have to be prepared. If they get healthy and get a little more entu , they can beat anyone.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 04, 2016, 05:36:31 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ranking-most-dangerous-teams-in-the-nfl-playoffs/ar-AAgkWxp?ocid=spartanntp

Notice who is the least dangerous...

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 06:58:15 pm
http://fansided.com/2016/01/03/packers-micah-hyde-snags-one-handed-interception-video/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 04, 2016, 07:26:04 pm
That was a sick play.  I said so at the time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 07:32:11 pm

 Do you mean slick play or sick play?  I could easily  vote for that as the best interception of the year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2016, 07:39:36 pm
I would agree on placements for the Packers. Bottom is about right and then the Skins, Texans and Vikes. I don't have any confidence in either the Chiefs or the Bengals so they would probably be next, followed by Broncos and Steelers and then the Cards, Pats, Panthers and more than likely the eventual SB winners, the Seachickens. They're just very hot right now. Still not entirely sold on the Cards and Panthers either really. They both have to prove they can win it. Pats been there, Steelers been there, Hawks....it's going to be more than likely either a Pats/Seachickens rematch or very possibly a Steelers/Chickens SB. Panthers could make it, but something about them just says they're gonna flame out somewhere, same with Cards and Broncos. I'm going with Steelers-Seahawks. We shall see....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 07:44:47 pm
Posted by Zac Jackson on January 4, 2016, 7:46 PM EST

CINCINNATI, OH - JANUARY 05: Head coach Mike McCoy of the San Diego Chargers looks on against the Cincinnati Bengals during a Wild Card Playoff game at Paul Brown Stadium on January 5, 2014 in Cincinnati, Ohio. (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)
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The Chargers fired offensive coordinator Frank Reich Monday, and Monday night brought news that his firing was part of a larger housecleaning by head coach Mike McCoy.

The Chargers issued a press release announcing the dismissal of five other assistant coaches. McCoy was told Monday his job was safe, but itís likely these changes were part of that deal.

Also gone are offensive line coach Joe DíAlessandris, tight ends coach Pete Metzelaars, wide receivers coach Fred Graves, defensive line coach Don Johnson and assistant offensive line coach Andrew Dees.

Reich, DíAlessandris, Graves and Dees joined the Chargers in 2013, McCoyís first year as head coach. Johnson came to San Diego in 2009 and Metzelaars joined the Chargers in 2014.


That logic is crazy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 07:54:52 pm
Brian from Wichita Falls, TX

Vic, as a lifelong Packers fan, this season has been disappointing. Donít get me wrong. Iím glad to be playoff bound, but most would agree we expected a much better season. Is it lack of chemistry, frustration, or is it really just the injuries keeping us from being the team we have the potential to be?

Itís the result of an offense thatís ranked near the bottom of the league, and not one person saw it coming. When this season ends, there will be intense scrutiny as to why the offense has struggled as it has. That kind of review is a must, because the offseason is for fixing whatís wrong. I think the Packers have struggled at the wide receiver position since losing Jordy Nelson. They were in the process of developing Ty Montgomery as Nelsonís replacement, and then the Packers lost Montgomery. I hate to cast an untested rookie as a missing-link player, but the problems began when Montgomery was lost. I think the Packers reached the saturation point of their injury tolerance at wide receiver. Being depleted at the position allowed defenses to do things that exposed other weaknesses, and thatís when the problem worsened to a point of exasperation. The opponentsí game plans are their evaluation of whatís wrong with the Packers offense. I saw nine in the box early in last nightís game. What does that say?


BINGO!  I think Vic nailed it exactly.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 07:57:52 pm
Joseph from Fort Collins, CO

Given the years Green Bayís defense has struggled and now that their playoff season is in shambles, is Dom Capersí future better somewhere else? What do you think about Capers?

Heís the finest defensive coordinator I have ever covered, and I include among those coordinators Bud Carson, Woody Widenhofer, Tony Dungy, Rod Rust, Dick Jauron and Mike Smith. Youíre certainly entitled to your opinion, Joseph, but neither you nor anybody who shares your opinion will receive even a shred of support in this column, and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind your opinion is baseless. For starters, this is a bad time to complain about the Packers defense. Itís playing at a very high level. It allowed only 13 points last night, and continues to move its rankings upward. You should win a game in which your defense allowed only 13 points and 242 total net yards.


Bingo, again.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 04, 2016, 08:00:19 pm
Sick as in awesome play. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 08:01:29 pm
Dan from Aspers, PA

There are too many late games. Even playoff games are now late. Iíll record them and faithfully watch them later, but because of my job I canít watch these late games live, and that has made this season a little less enjoyable.

I agree. Iíve spent a season of Mondays with sleep deprivation. Will it change? No. TV and the casual fan are in control.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2016, 08:40:07 pm
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 In September, legendary NFL coach Mike Ditka offered up his perspective on GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.In an In interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, he explained, "I think that he has the fire in his belly to make America great again and probably do it the right way."

Ditka also added that he believes Trump has "gotta think a little bit more before he says things, but I think he's on the right track." Trump has even endorsed his support of Dikta, saying that he'd like to bring him onto his team. He remarked, "I'd love to have Mike involved in some capacity. Why? Because Mike knows how to win and our politicians don't.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 05, 2016, 05:18:26 pm
Quote
Even with all the injuries and tough breaks everyone still fears the Pack.

LOL!  First thing my wife said when I headed upstairs for bed was, "We need the Vikings to win tonight."

She is a skins fan and was watching the game in our room while I was trying to go to sleep.  I asked her why and she said that Washington can beat the Packers.  No way she wanted any part of Seattle again.

That has been the feeling in the DC area all week.  Green Bay was their best matchup for a win.

We'll see how it goes Sunday I guess.  I know where my money is going to be at...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 05, 2016, 05:48:06 pm

I don't think anyone wants Seattle right now - but Green Bay is usually in just about every game they've played this year. 

If their O-line is intact they will give the Redskins all they can handle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 06, 2016, 06:15:04 pm
Erin Whhhadgers is getting old. QB rating is down 11 points from his career average. He has played a lot of football.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 10, 2016, 02:03:44 pm
Good comedy - looks like the Peckers brilliant plan to "lose" to the Queens last week backfired. Seattle has laid down and played dead today. This all we heard this week. Seattle does not like the cold.

Lynch wanted nothing to do with the cold...so he sat out.

Peckers fans are the biggest morons on the earth. No home field advantage and no division title. Lets put a block of cheese on our head.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 04:32:05 pm
TD REDSKINS!

11-0 Redskins.

Packers better find an answer to Reed.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 10, 2016, 04:32:55 pm
That Peckers O-line is something special.

Going to be a blowout.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on January 10, 2016, 04:36:57 pm
Packers came out looking like it's preseason..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 04:42:05 pm
Such BS!

Packers players are moving when the ball is snapped on these 12 men penalties.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 04:43:12 pm
Players have top be set before you can snap it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 05:37:15 pm
And the ex head of officiating just said it shouldn't have been a TD because Green Bay players were not set.  Just like they weren't on the two 12 men on the field penalties against Green Bay that helped them score earlier.  All three should have been penalties against Green Bay.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 05:38:35 pm
Redskins moving the ball right down the field.

GO REDSKINS!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 05:43:27 pm
TD REDSKINS!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 06:28:33 pm
Refs screw the Redskins again.  Reed was not down he was on top of the Packers player he should have been able to keep running.  But of course they blew the whistle which kills the play.  How come all of the refs **** ups always help the Packers?

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 06:47:32 pm
Cousins and the skins suck.  I will enjoy watching the Cardinals pound the Packers next weekend.

Packers won't get all the calls like they did tonight.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: chifaninva on January 10, 2016, 07:13:34 pm
No question the skins suck ass. Gruden doesn't impress me as the sharpest tool in the shed.. Better team won..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 10, 2016, 07:43:50 pm
NO SWEAT.   LMAO at the stupid Bear posters.  Keep going.    ;)

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 07:47:19 pm
What was the score the last time the Packers and Cardinals played?

By the way that was when the Packers were playing well and before a lot of their injuries.   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 08:01:17 pm
They have more now then they did then.

Not jealous at all.  The Packers have Rodgers and that is about it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 10, 2016, 08:10:31 pm
What was the score the last time the Packers and Cardinals played?

By the way that was when the Packers were playing well and before a lot of their injuries.   

That was then; this is now.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 10, 2016, 08:34:23 pm
Posted by Darin Gantt on January 10, 2016, 8:11 PM EST

LANDOVER, MD - JANUARY 10: Quarterback Aaron Rodgers #12 of the Green Bay Packers signals against the Washington Redskins in the first quarter during the NFC Wild Card Playoff game at FedExField on January 10, 2016 in Landover, Maryland. (Photo by Patrick Smith/Getty Images)
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Donít look now, but the Packers can play offense again.

Green Bay advanced to next weekís divisional round with a fairly convincing 35-18 win over Washington, earning a date with the Cardinals that looks far more interesting now.

An offense that had flat-lined for weeks suddenly looked competent again, and quarterback Aaron Rodgers had a smile on his face, as for a moment he looked like himself.

Rodgers finished 21-of-36 for 210 yards and two touchdowns. Itís not the most appealing stat line, but their ability to overcome their early 11-0 deficit was impressive considering the way theyíve struggled this year.

But the bigger news might be the way they ran the ball, after that part of the game went completely missing last week at home against the Vikings.

They finished with 142 yards on the ground, with Eddie Lacy and James Starks each finding the end zone.

The improvement was across the board though, as receivers who hadnít proven trustworthy caught big passes (Davante Adams) and an offensive line that has been repeatedly whacked by injuries began to protect better after the early safety.

For Washington, it ends a season that came with the surprising development of quarterback Kirk Cousins, but there are still plenty of questions about the future.

Not only is there the small matter of a contract for the pending unrestricted free agent, but the reality remains they didnít beat a team with a winning record this year. Significant progress was made, and if General Manager Scot McCloughan is allowed to continue the work heís started without intrusion, thereís a chance they could sustain some on-field success for a change.

Packers wake up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 10, 2016, 08:46:16 pm
Jonathon from Eden Prairie, MN

Does anyone remember the 2012 Ravens finishing the regular season 1-4 through the last five games? Who won the Super Bowl that year? If they can, then why not us?

One play in one game turned the Ravens hot. The Broncos safety came up when he shouldíve gone back, and the Ravens were on their way to the Super Bowl. It can happen for the Packers, too. Just win one game. Maybe that should be the Packersí motto in the postseason.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 10, 2016, 09:02:26 pm

 Adam Kilgore
✔  ‎@AdamKilgoreWP 
A slighted, reanimated Aaron Rodgers grinned as he ended the Redskins' season. http://wapo.st/1mPkiM2

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2016, 09:42:49 pm
Fast forward to this time next weekend.... 'A laughing, relaxed Carson Palmer grins as he ends the Pakers season as he ended their game a couple weekends ago.' Yeah, that....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 10, 2016, 11:13:31 pm

Packers had their way with the 28th ranked Washington defense after a slow start - I don't think that will be the case with the Cardinals 5th ranked D.  However, Tyrann Mathieu is out but they still have Patrick Petersen who will be assigned Cobb. 

Should be a better game than the 38-8 debacle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2016, 11:29:48 pm
Oh yeah.  It will be a closer game but I think the Cardinals will win. 

This one was 50/50.  Redskins would have won if not for the two 12 men on the field penalties that were called on the Redskins when the ball was hiked before the Packers were set.  That got the Packers back into the game.  Plus the moron who didn't score because he didn't put the ball over the goal line before hitting the pylon.  The redskins are just a bad team. 

Who knows maybe the Packers could have overcome that as well.  I hate admit it but it gives me a reason to keep watching playoff football.  After the Vikings went out who I was rooting for if the Packers had been knocked who I am rooting against I would have lost interest.

So I am looking forward to one game next week at least.  I will root for the Panthers as well though since Rivera is coaching them and they have a few Ex-Bears on the team.  So Go Panthers and Go Cards.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 11, 2016, 05:40:08 am
Congrats Packrat.  And only Packrat...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 11, 2016, 05:48:22 am
Pekin - Two good posts.  I swear I don't know what is a set offensive line.  The tight end in a three point stance can move, the center is bobbing his head, shoulders moving everywhere.  I think the line of what is a penalty and what is not has moved quite a distance from 10 years ago.

On the Reed catch and advance, funny how Fox shows his calf scraping the ground like the referees saw that and made the right call.  I am not sure that a calf touching would make him down.  It was a tough call and they blew him dead so the play stops
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 11, 2016, 11:25:55 am
Tell me the ref saw it in regular speed
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 11, 2016, 03:09:43 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 11, 2016, 03:21:20 pm
I don't think anyone wants Seattle right now - but Green Bay is usually in just about every game they've played this year. 

If their O-line is intact they will give the Redskins all they can handle.

Bingo, dallas.  Right on.

With the O-Line back in the groove and the RBs going wild AR began to smile.

A commentator called Kuhn the best blocker on the field.  Some plays he was wiping out two defenders.  Maybe he should be back on the roster next season.

Same for Jones.  Almost 1,000 yards rushing this season.  Pretty good for  WR that no one else wanted.

Davante Adams caught his first TD OF THE SEASON.

About the middle of the second half AR seem ed to regain his passing touch and was right on rarget.  WRs suddeny remembered how to hold on to the catch.

Slump over now?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 11, 2016, 03:37:02 pm
Well officiated game by the officials.  Bear fans, not so good.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 11, 2016, 03:38:33 pm
Onward to Cardinals next Saturday.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 11, 2016, 03:44:01 pm
Almost forgot to mention the return of the Packer's pass rush.  Poor Cousins.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 11, 2016, 10:41:35 pm
Enjoy your last weekend this season....it's over....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: stelz on January 12, 2016, 12:29:26 am
It may not happen, but the Packers can beat the Cardinals....they have a very good chance.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2016, 01:19:47 am

They have a chance...not a very good chance..not even a good chance.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 12, 2016, 08:29:01 am
I agree with Dallas.  As long as they have Rodgers they can beat anyone.  However if the Cardinals and Packers played 100 times this year I think the Cardinals win 90+.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 13, 2016, 05:33:02 pm
Packrat I will take that apology now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/13/nfl-admits-washington-was-wrongly-penalized-for-12-on-the-field/

NFL admits Washington was wrongly penalized for 12 on the field

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 13, 2016, 5:38 PM EST

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The NFL has admitted that a penalty on Washington that helped set up Green Bayís first touchdown on Sunday should not have been called.

The penalty, for 12 men on the field, gave Green Bay a first down on third-and-4. But John Keim of ESPN reports that when Washington asked the league office about the play this week, the NFL admitted that officials should have called a penalty on Green Bay.

On the play in question, Aaron Rodgers hurried the Packers to the line while Washingtonís defense was substituting, and the officials flagged Washington because a player didnít get off the field before the ball was snapped. But Packers tight end Andrew Quarless was not set before the snap, meaning he should have been flagged, and it should have remained third down. Instead the penalty gave the Packers a first down.

As it turned out, the Packers marched down the field and scored their first touchdown of the game on that drive. If they had faced a third-and-9, they may have had to punt. It was a costly call for Washington, and a bad call that helped Green Bay.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2016, 06:17:31 pm
What-a-surprise....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 13, 2016, 11:49:17 pm
Apologize for what, Peke.  For winning.?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 13, 2016, 11:52:33 pm
Enjoy your last weekend this season....it's over....

Keep saying that and you will lose what little t credibility you have left, sporty.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:19:05 am

On one hand, the Packers seem to have a chip on their shoulder for those who would dare to point out the fact that, for long stretches of the season, the Packers have stunk. On the other hand, the Packers are embracing the stink by throwing backhanded bouquets at their next opponent, the Cardinals.

ďWell, the pressureís all going to be on them,Ē quarterback Aaron Rodgers said Wednesday, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com. ďTheyíre coming off a tough loss at home against Seattle. Before that they blew us out. Theyíre the Super Bowl favorites, and obviously the favorite team on Saturday night, so weíve just got to go out, be loose, let it all hang out, because the pressureís all on that side.Ē

Rodgers repeated his theory, in the event anyone missed it...

Win or lose, at least Rodger has guts.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:28:17 am
Paul from Beaver Dam, WI

Vic, how come the Packers get only six days between games and everyone else gets seven?

Just because weíre paranoid doesnít mean theyíre not out to get us.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:29:41 am
Trevor from Wausau, WI

I thought McCarthyís decision to use his timeouts at the end of the second quarter was one of his boldest decisions this season and he was rewarded for it. What were your thoughts on that decision?

He does it all the time. Heís the boldest coach Iíve ever covered, and heís also the best clock manager Iíve ever covered, but I didnít think there was anything especially bold about what he did in Washington on Sunday. It was outside the two-minute warning. It set up perfectly for the Packers, as long as the defense got a stop. It always comes back to players making strategies work.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:33:18 am
Matthew from Racine, WI

I didnít have much confidence in this team going into the playoffs until the offense came alive in the second quarter. The Cardinals are going to be a great challenge, but I believe if we come away with a win on Saturday, this team can beat anyone. Do you agree?

Absolutely, I agree. This is the game. This is the single-most important game of the season. Everything rides on this game. If the Packers win on Saturday, I believe they will host the NFC title game. Just win one game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2016, 12:33:57 am
Credibility? I'm right....watch....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:34:19 am
Eric from Mullica Hill, NJ

Vic, can you assess the play of Julius Peppers this year? I would love for him to make an impact on Saturday night.

I think heís playing even better this year than he did last year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:49:01 am
Congrats Packrat.  And only Packrat...

Thanks, Grizz.  That's greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:51:52 am
Credibility? I'm right....watch....

Not last time nor the time before, nor the....etc..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 12:57:05 am
evaluations of the matchups. They didnít scheme schemes, they schemed personnel.


Beau from Lancaster, PA

Vic, we are down to the final eight teams and arguably the eight-best quarterbacks in the game. Without ďThe Man,Ē itís nearly impossible to make a deep playoff run.

Your team will go as far as its quarterback takes it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 01:11:04 am
The Packers have just six days between games, whereas the Cardinals enjoyed a bye week and have been able to have a normal workweek.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2016, 02:37:54 am
Packers goin down! Oh yes, they are. Cards gonna drop the deck on em!


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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: octagon on January 14, 2016, 06:22:43 am
I'm enjoying the new, angry Packrat.  Peke and others did a good job in getting him to come out of the pretend humble act he was putting on for years. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2016, 04:54:59 pm
packrat, you said I did not know what I was talking about on the officiating.  I just posted proof the NFL admitted they screwed up and it helped the Packers.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 08:37:11 pm
I'm enjoying the new, angry Packrat.  Peke and others did a good job in getting him to come out of the pretend humble act he was putting on for years. 

Nonsense, octagon.  My posts state my honest opinions.  This is the kind of silly logic that implies I would post specious information for 15 years to mislead Bears fans for --- what reason?  Your opinion of my posts don't matter to me in the least.  You are attaching much too much importance to the significance of your feelings in my world.

The Bears ae my second favorite team to GB.  It's only some of the more narrow minded  FANS that rile me occasionally.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2016, 08:41:24 pm
I personally really like you packrat. If you are ever in my area I would be more then happy to break bread with you. 

I just think you are wrong about the officiating when it comes to the Packers.  Also there is absolutely no packer gear allowed in my home.  Not even on babies. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 08:41:33 pm
Packers goin down! Oh yes, they are. Cards gonna drop the deck on em!


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I suppose if you post it often enough some day it may come true.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 08:46:01 pm
I personally really like you packrat. If you are ever in my area I would be more then happy to break bread with you. 

I just think you are wrong about the officiating when it comes to the Packers.  Also there is absolutely no packer gear allowed in my home.  Not even on babies. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2016, 08:52:16 pm
The NFL very rarely admits they made mistakes in officiating.

On game day I was saying that it should have been a penalty on Green Bay because they were not set.  Instead it was 12 men on Washington which gave Green Bay new life.  The NFL admitted the first one should have been on Green Bay.  The second one was more egregious.

The first time one guy was not set the second there were multiple Packer players moving.  The Packers get the calls because they have a future HOF QB.  The Patriots and whatever team P Manning is on get them as well.  Those are just the facts.  Michael Jordan got the calls as a Chicago Bull in basketball.

It is just the way it is.  One day (soon I hope) the Packers will no longer have a HOF QB running the show.  When that happens the Packers will no longer get the benefit of the doubt from the officials.         
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 08:59:26 pm
Despite our differences of opinion on that subject, Peke, I feel the same way toward your comments  Several times I came close to suggesting the same thoughts about meeting for lunch someplace between Bloomington and Pekin; maybe Cracker Barrel in Morton. 
Despite the difference of opinion on officiating I have appreciated your thoughts on football (also on politics).  They are quite accurate IMHO. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2016, 09:06:59 pm
The NFL very rarely admits they made mistakes in officiating.

On game day I was saying that it should have been a penalty on Green Bay because they were not set.  Instead it was 12 men on Washington which gave Green Bay new life.  The NFL admitted the first one should have been on Green Bay.  The second one was more egregious.

The first time one guy was not set the second there were multiple Packer players moving.  The Packers get the calls because they have a future HOF QB.  The Patriots and whatever team P Manning is on get them as well.  Those are just the facts.  Michael Jordan got the calls as a Chicago Bull in basketball.

It is just the way it is.  One day (soon I hope) the Packers will no longer have a HOF QB running the show.  When that happens the Packers will no longer get the benefit of the doubt from the officials.         

You are definitely right on that gaffe.  At my age I just ignore them and move on  They happen..  Why ruin the game over an official, though.

I feel your frustration on the fate of the Bears recently.  Bear fans deserve better.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2016, 10:00:13 pm
I am in Bloomington for work from time to time during the week (about twice a month).  I never know for sure when or what time I will be there until the day of.  So if you are flexible I could give you a call and you could meet me for lunch if you are available.

I could also do a meeting in Morton at the Cracker Barrel on a Saturday. 

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 15, 2016, 12:10:38 am
I know you'll be here after the Cards dismantle the Pack Saturday night, you're a stand up guy. Now Otts on the other hand, he'll disappear for a week or so.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 15, 2016, 03:32:16 am
Like a groundhog
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 15, 2016, 01:05:08 pm
Yeah, I'll be back, win or lose.  It's very risky from here on out, though.

I don't read otto or beerfan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 15, 2016, 01:15:36 pm
I am in Bloomington for work from time to time during the week (about twice a month).  I never know for sure when or what time I will be there until the day of.  So if you are flexible I could give you a call and you could meet me for lunch if you are available.

I could also do a meeting in Morton at the Cracker Barrel on a Saturday. 



Meeting in Bloomington would be great since my driving is not so good.  Since I am retired I am usually free.  You can just give me a ring at 365-6887 when it's convenient.  My treat.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 15, 2016, 02:39:00 pm

Yeah, I'll be back, win or lose.


I think we're all cool with that, but about Vic...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 15, 2016, 09:03:08 pm
If you would rather I not post Vic's preaching let me know.  If most don't want it I'll quit.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 15, 2016, 09:38:31 pm
OK, Vic, run the ball. Thatís fine with me if itís working. At what point in the game does a good coach make adjustments if, say, the run just isnít working?

As long as the defense is keeping you in the game, keep pounding it. In the playoffs, especially on the road, all I want is the ball last with a chance to win.

Nate from Jackson, WY

Vic, after the Cards started off 2-0 this season, Bruce Arians said, in reference to the media: ďWhen theyíre patting you on the back, theyíre looking for a soft spot to stick the knife.Ē

Heís right.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 15, 2016, 11:18:23 pm
It's interesting reading.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:10:56 am
you actually read the vic posts?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:40:03 am
I do after a loss.  After a Packer win not so much...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:48:45 am
LOL
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on January 16, 2016, 05:57:22 pm
Loaded with unintentional comedy...much like everything otto posts...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on January 16, 2016, 07:07:28 pm
I like reading the Vic posts. I wish someone did that for the Bears.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 07:42:42 pm
Larry Mayer works for the Bears and does the same thing.  He generally answers 4 or 5 questions at a time about twice a week.  They also have a lunch with Larry where he answers questions live in chat.  You can read it live or go back and read it when it is over.  He live chats before games as well and answers some questions.

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/chalk-talk/article-1/Will-Bears-make-free-agent-splash/dc71baec-c1e3-437e-8748-3afbcb7c961b
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 08:19:58 pm
What's a team gotta do to get a holding call in this game?? UNreal!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 08:32:03 pm
The holding the Packers O-line is allowed to get away with is beyond ridiculous.

The pick 6 was right to be called back but it should have been offsetting penalties.  Both Packers Tackles were holding.



 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 09:21:50 pm
Wait what?  Why was it whistled dead?  Rodgers always get s a free play when the other team has 12 on the field.  Why whistle it dead?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 09:33:58 pm
OK if they call this incomplete the fix is in.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 09:41:07 pm
Wow, Palmer sucks!! What a idiot! TERRIBLE throw! No wonder he's never won a playoff game....he goes braindead
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on January 16, 2016, 09:59:11 pm
agree. the kid has to come of age. right now.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: 46 on January 16, 2016, 10:00:49 pm
....or **** lucky beyond belief. good for them.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:10:22 pm
one hop
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:12:40 pm
He had him open and one hopped it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:15:01 pm
Why did they throw?  **** stupid.  You run the clock then kick the field goal.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:16:28 pm
Because he is Bruce Ariens.  He takes all kinds of risks.  He would have drivin Chicago fans nuts.  They would have already run him out of Chicago for his play calling if he was the Bears coach.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:20:02 pm
Wow.  The refs wont be getting their GB bonus tonight.  That was PI.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 10:20:08 pm
Collinsworth is a idiot!! What a GB slurper!! Sickening!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:20:54 pm
OMG!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:21:46 pm
Not set!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 10:23:15 pm
12 secs to the end of the Pukers season....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 10:23:41 pm
5....and then HEY HEY HEY, GOOD BYE!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:24:12 pm
5 seconds
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 10:24:35 pm
Zona going braindead here, sheesh....where do I go where do I go...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:25:42 pm
**** NUTS
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:26:22 pm
OMG.  That has to be called a catch.  I don't think it hit the ground.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:26:42 pm
LOL!

Again a questionable catch. 

This game is crazy!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 10:26:42 pm
He didn't have control!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:27:28 pm
It was called a catch.  I don't see how they can overturn that.  There is nothing I saw that shows it hitting the ground.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on January 16, 2016, 10:27:40 pm
I think he had control until the db punched it it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:28:17 pm
By the letter of the rules that is not a catch. 

However if the refs rule it is I won't complain. 

This reminds me of the little Nicky basketball game.  LOL!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:28:50 pm
I don't think he had control when it got punched but I also don't think the punch worked.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:29:38 pm
More time to root for a Packer loss.

However Arians is a **** moron.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:30:31 pm
I still don't think the ball ever hit the ground.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:34:15 pm
I didn't flip?  WTF?  These refs suck
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: octagon on January 16, 2016, 10:35:29 pm
LARRY FITZGERALD!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:35:48 pm
They had slo mo replay and it did not flip.  LOL!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:36:03 pm
Fitzgerald.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:37:12 pm
75 yards
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2016, 10:37:42 pm
CARDINALS WIN!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:38:22 pm
**** stiff arm a dude behind you.  Nice
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 10:40:14 pm
Cards win!!  ;D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 16, 2016, 10:41:54 pm
I still can't get over Fitzgerald giving the Heisman to the DB that was behind him on that 75 yard run.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2016, 11:36:29 pm
That was some poor tackling by the Pukers. Darned shame  ;D...breaks my heart SNIFF SNIFF....really does.... :-*
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 17, 2016, 05:35:42 am
I think it was a catch, and to me watching it looked like it was pretty fairly called on both sides.

One thing that I didn't see called that should have been was defense lining in the neutral zone.  It wasn't here or there on the Packer's side, it was every snap.  I started watching the Cardinals and they did it to, but not to the frequency of the Packers.  But, the refs didn't call it on either side so again that is fair.  I think it did help the Packers better contain the run.

The Packers defensive line looked pretty good most of the game, but when Palmer had any time he often found the soft spot.  Palmer tried to give the game away, it was a pretty average performance for the most part with a big play sprinkled in here and there as well as some luck with Packers dropping interceptions and Floyd catching that deflection.

And not to all NFL teams watching the hail mary... twice the Packers converted that and twice the receiver had no one in front of him.  Arizona only had two defenders contending the catch which was amazing considering how many they must have had back.  But, I give Arizona credit, they didn't do the patented rush 3 and drop 8 in coverage.  They were sending pressure right until the end so that may have decluttered the end zone
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 17, 2016, 05:55:36 am
Have they described Cobb's injury in any more detail?  I wasn't sure if the blood came from biting his tongue or he was coughing blood from the chest injury.  If the latter, that is scary
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearFan on January 17, 2016, 08:25:17 am
Sorry Packrat.  Hard fought game.  Cardinals lucky to take that game. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 17, 2016, 09:19:54 am
Chicago Beats Green Bay...'

Oh wait.  They moved a long time ago.  But it's still an original Chicago team.   ;D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on January 17, 2016, 02:04:28 pm
goats:

Erin Whaaaaadgers not so good and his 77 QB rating shows it - he's getting old.

Randall Cobb - MIA

James Jones MIA

Mikey McCarthy for only giving Lacey the ball 12 times - WTF?

Palmer tried to help the Peckers with is 2 picks in regulation.

Officiating was dismal - Peckers O-line holding all day. Peckers DBs holding all game. No calls.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 17, 2016, 02:06:41 pm
So I heard Rodgers was complaining that he wasn't allowed to change his mind on the bad flip?  Why should he be allowed to change his call?  Is there a rule for this?  I think it was fair to redo the flip because it didn't flip but I don't think the calling team should be given the chance to change their minds on heads or tails.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 17, 2016, 06:35:15 pm
Pretty quiet in here....no Pake fans?? Wonder why.
Cobb's injury is likely from the hard fall he took on that incredible catch. Comes up spitting blood, went back for xrays. Haven't heard his status.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 17, 2016, 06:53:14 pm
Cobb was kept overnight in the hospital and was released this morning.  All they said was a chest injury.  I have heard rumors of a bruised lung.

Rooting for Broncos and Panthers then Panthers or Cardinals over Broncos.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 17, 2016, 06:56:12 pm
Would like to see Panthers-Broncos. Definitely not the Pats in it again....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 18, 2016, 12:23:54 am
Great game by GB..  Should have won it if not for the  atrociously bad officiating.  Didn't  anyone notice the play near the end of the game when two Cardinal players simultaneously mugged Janis on a beautiful long pass.  One had BOTH arms wrapped COMPLETELY around while  second player grabbed him from the front.  Incredible. Worst interference call I have seen in 60 years o The officials saw nothing.  Same for Bear biased fans.  Tell me you didn't see that injustice.  Guess not.  Bear fans  put on blinders for that.  And that includes the FAIL MARY interception by Seattle. 

Two touchdown passes for Janis.  Should have been 3.  What a  player  he will be when he has the experience to start next year.  Can't wait for
GB to get their starting team back on the field next season.

Another fantastic pass on the last play of the game, by Rodgers.  A shame you guys missed all of the good plays.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 18, 2016, 12:26:02 am
Sorry Packrat.  Hard fought game.  Cardinals lucky to take that game. 

Thanks for actually watching the game, Bear Fan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 18, 2016, 12:40:38 am
Wow.  The refs wont be getting their GB bonus tonight.  That was PI.
What about mine?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 18, 2016, 05:44:43 am
I thought the officiating was average at best and no neutral zone infractions of either team.  And I thought it was a PI for what it's worth, but at the speed of the game, which isn't slow motion frame to frame, I can see how the official missed it as he was turning the same way that the ball was coming. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on January 18, 2016, 07:52:05 am
Historically the refs seem to  let the dbs be a little more physical during the playoffs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on January 18, 2016, 09:02:50 am
I saw that play the same way I saw the Rodgers phantom face mask call earlier this season. Full speed, it looked like an obvious PI, but slowed down, you could see it wasn't.

As far as the Rodgers Hail Mary being a fantastic pass...ok, I guess, as far as him throwing the ball the right distance...otherwise, he just threw it up for grabs. Not a thing fantastic about it...just another ball where the defenders were out of position.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on January 18, 2016, 10:02:12 am
A Hail Mary completion is always the result of a defensive failure and nothing to do with the offensive players doing anything great.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 18, 2016, 11:05:17 am
He did get some air though, got to give him credit.  Janis has leaps
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2016, 12:03:02 pm
The last game he tried that, the defenders got in front of the recievers at the goalline and stopped it. They didn't do that here nor did they do it earlier this year when they beat the Loins pulling that....gotta have people in front to stop it....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on January 19, 2016, 12:10:34 pm
Yeah the defense needs someone on the goal line. If the receiver is in front of hey get a chance at interference when the defender is behind.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on January 19, 2016, 12:12:50 pm
A Hail Mary completion is always the result of a defensive failure and nothing to do with the offensive players doing anything great.

I agree for the most part, but that James Allen catch off the ricochet (defensive failure to spike it down for sure) from Shane Matthews in '01 was a damn good play.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on January 19, 2016, 12:16:41 pm
Usually they just seem to bunch a group of guys in the end zone. It seems with GB they had a guy arrive late both times so he was jus barely in the the endzone so he didn't have to fight the mob.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: VJ on January 19, 2016, 12:27:20 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on January 19, 2016, 02:28:20 pm

What I don't understand is why didn't the Cardinals put 6'3"" Larry Fitzgerald on the goal line.  The Lions also had an opportunity to put Megatron there too.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2016, 03:05:24 pm
Super Matthews couldn't tackle him? Musta been the bizarre beard he was sporting.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2016, 04:20:32 pm
This just in, coach McCarthy says Lacy is fat...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2609000-mike-mccarthy-comments-on-eddie-lacys-weight-2015-performance?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Yep
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 07:45:49 pm
I thought that game was as equal as it cold be.  Either team could have won and there would have been no surprise..

Can't wait until next season and the Packer players are all playing instead of so many on he bench  .Jani is going to finally play and he will be helluva player, along with Jordy Nelson and Ty Montgomery.  The rookie DBs will be experienced.  This young team will be ready to go.

This was just not a year for GB to power through.  We will have some Chi/GB games to rave about next season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 07:53:28 pm
Usually they just seem to bunch a group of guys in the end zone. It seems with GB they had a guy arrive late both times so he was jus barely in the the endzone so he didn't have to fight the mob.

Very observant, Navigator..  That is a  planned play  and has to do with specific planning and timing by Rodgers and receiver. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 07:58:23 pm
He did get some air though, got to give him credit.  Janis has leaps

At 6', 3" and top speed on the team he will be  monster to stop, grizzly.  He got both of the TD catches and could have had a third.  It seems rookies get screwed so often on PI calls.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 08:28:38 pm

The best thing to happen to the Packers receiving corps heading into 2016 figures to be the expected return of Jordy Nelson from a torn ACL.

Further injuries may have opened the door for Jeff Janis to have a say ó and a significant role ó in the offense as well.

Janis had two receptions all season before Randall Cobb got hurt in last weekendís divisional playoff game. Because Ty Montgomery and Davante Adams were already out, Janis got his chance.

He delivered seven catches for 145 yards, including a 41-yard Hail Mary that sent the game to overtime. After penalties, he delivered two catches for 101 yards on the final drive of the regulation.

Those previous two catches totaled 79 yards, a sign that Janis can stretch the field. Without Nelson, thatís an element the Packers were missing in 2015. Aaron Rodgers averaged 7.1 yards per attempt, the lowest of his career, and 11.0 yards per completion, his lowest since becoming the starter.

Janis was active for all 16 games and returned 14 kickoffs, but he didnít make enough catches to earn a priority spot in the wide receiver rotation.

ďAs a receiver, he was inconsistent, had some chances, up-and-down,Ē Packers coach Mike McCarthy told reporters. ďBut with that, I think he definitely learned from those experiences and just had a tremendous game against Arizona.Ē

Now, the 6-foot-3 Janis certainly has earned at least a longer look. He played in just three games as a seventh-round rookie in 2014 and needed the final game of his second season to really make a splash. Counting two years of preseason work, his limited regular season duty and last weekendís game, Janis has 23 catches in a Packers uniform and seven of them have gone for touchdowns. Thatís not a bad way to stay in the plans.

Veteran James Jones, who returned to the Packers after Nelsonís injury, can be a free agent. Even with Cobb and Nelson figuring to return as the starters, Janis figures to have a shot to make more big plays.

ďWhen you actually get out there and get reps and make some catches, make some plays, yeah, it reminds you of college again,Ē Janis said. ďI can play out there.

I criticize MM for not using him more.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 08:40:21 pm
teams currently walking on the tracks.


Tony from Charlottesville, VA

Vic, Coach McCarthy has always seemed like a guy who likes to keep things in house. In his postseason press conference, he challenged the middle linebacker corps by stating his desire for Clay Matthews to move back outside, as well as mentioning Eddie Lacyís preseason work ethic. Any idea why he decided to make these challenges public?

He wanted to share the truth with Packers fans. Thereís no other reason to talk on those subjects. I promise you, he had already spoken to Matthews about moving back outside, and to Lacy about his offseason training regimen. Coach McCarthy wasnít sending messages; the messages had already been sent. He was being respectful of Packersí fans right to know. Appreciate it for what itís worth, but donít expect those kinds of proclamations in the middle of the season. Giving your opponents a free scouting report isnít conducive to winning.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:01:58 pm
Owen from Tampa, FL

I believe the fansí positivity is a result of decreased expectations. When the playoffs started, we had very little hope, however, we were able to enjoy an offensive revival and a win in D.C., and then our team went toe-to-toe against the Super Bowl favorite. The season is only a success for one team, but the playoffs successfully got us out of our rut. The emergence of Janis and Abbrederis, the late surge by Adams and the imminent return of Jordy have most of us feeling better about the direction of the 2016 Green Bay Packers.

Hereís what I think: Jeff Janis did it. His emergence on Saturday has Packers fans gaga. This fan base has gone Jeff Janis crazy. Itís Janisitis and itís a full-blown Wisconsin epidemic. The fans are so overjoyed by Janisí emergence on Saturday, theyíre accepting one of the most heartbreaking defeats in franchise history with relative ease. If I was Janis, Iíd tell my agent to start working on some endorsement deals.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:31:40 pm


Mike McCarthy: Eddie Lacy cannot play at the weight he did

 by Charles Rahrig V 1d ago

Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy said that Eddie Lacy canít come back to the Packers out of shape
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:34:17 pm

Green Bay Packers to return Clay Matthews to OLB

 by Carl Cockerham 19h ago 
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When you have an absolute star at a particular position, itís not a good idea to put him at other positions. No matter how versatile or how good an athlete he is,
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:37:24 pm
As fans, itís easy for us to say Green Bay should address a major need on their roster, like inside linebacker or tight end, with their first overall pick.

Arkansasí Hunter Henry is the top tight end in this yearís draft class and currently a borderline late-first to early-second round player. If he shows good athleticism and speed for the position at the Combine he could sneak into the first round.

He certainly would be a nice pick for the
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:41:05 pm
The 2016 linebacker class is one of the deepest itís been in years.

Jaylon Smith, Darron Lee, Myles Jack, and Reggie Ragland are all likely first-rounders, but thereís no guarantee one of them falls to the Packers at pick 27.

Lee and Jack are incredibly athletic linebackers who excel in all facets of the game and could get nabbed before the Packers are on the clock.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:46:38 pm
Theyíre both explosive nose tackle prospects with some pass rush ability. They would fill a major need if the Packers canít re-sign B.J. Raji and Letroy Guion.

The Packers could go another route and shore up the future of their offensive line by taking a prospect like Indianaís Jason Spriggs, Texas A&Mís Germain Ifedi, or Auburnís Shon Coleman, who are all projected as late-first round picks.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:49:36 pm
The Packers could even take an edge rusher, like Leonard Floyd or Noah Spence, with their first pick if they lose both Mike Neal and Nick Perry in free agency. This need could also go to the top of their list if Julius Peppers decides to retire this off-season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 09:59:30 pm
When James Jones and Randall Cobb looked like they couldnít separate from man-to-man coverage to save their life, it looked like they might get a shot.

But instead of throwing some new wrinkles into the passing game, or switching things up when the Packers were in the middle of a vast losing streak to follow a 6-0 start, the powers that be decided to remain offensively stagnant rather than take a chance on some new blood, some fresh legs.

Some said that Janis didnít show enough in practice.

As Abbrederis got a small role in the offense due to injuries, Janis remained a special teams ace only.

In the divisional round and down Randall Cobb and Davante Adams due to injuries, the Packers were forced to call upon the two young guys and Ö the offense jerked to life. The Packers climbed to a first half lead on the backs on Abbrederis and Janis.

At the end of regulation, the two had combined for more than 200 yards of offense and two touchdowns. With Rodgers having no weapons at his disposal all year, Janis and Abbrederis proved that they were a wasted talent for 17 games.

My one big complaint against MM.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on January 19, 2016, 10:22:28 pm
Which is why he fired the RB and TE coaches?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 11:00:43 pm
2016 PACKERS FREE AGENTS

The Green Bay Packers have 18 free agents this off-season, including 14 unrestricted. Free agency opens March 9.

UNRESTRICTED

Don Barclay, T

Mason Crosby, K

Brett Goode, LS

Letroy Guion, DT

Casey Hayward, CB

James Jones, WR

John Kuhn, FB

Mike Neal, OLB

Nick Perry, OLB

Andrew Quarless, TE

B.J. Raji, NT

Sean Richardson, S

James Starks, RB
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 19, 2016, 11:11:57 pm
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/jeff-janis-hopes-momentum-can-carry-over-into-next-season-b99653877z1-365715501.html


About Jeff Janis.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 21, 2016, 02:26:38 pm
Which is why he fired the RB and TE coaches?

I'm sure there were plenty of reason for their firing, as pointed out in this article:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/365809851.html
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 23, 2016, 09:19:16 pm

Packers still on London wait list


 Pete Dougherty, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin 1:09 p.m. EST January 22, 2016







NFL in London

(Photo: AP)

The NFL is having a tough time lining up the Green Bay Packers for a game in London and might have to wait until 2018.

The Packers wonít ever give up a home game to play in London because of the vital role home games play in the local economy. And few if any teams are willing to give up a home game against the Packers, because their fans travel so well that itís a guaranteed sellout...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 23, 2016, 10:03:19 pm
Did the Packers uncover a gem in Janis?

Posted by Zac Jackson on January 19, 2016, 6:02 PM EST

janis
Getty Images

The best thing to happen to the Packers receiving corps heading into 2016 figures to be the expected return of Jordy Nelson from a torn ACL.

Further injuries may have opened the door for Jeff Janis to have a say ó and a significant role ó in the offense as well.

Janis had two receptions all season before Randall Cobb got hurt in last weekendís divisional playoff game. Because Ty Montgomery and Davante Adams were already out, Janis got his chance.

He delivered seven catches for 145 yards, including a 41-yard Hail Mary that sent the game to overtime. After penalties, he delivered two catches for 101 yards on the final drive of the regulation...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:01:40 pm
Vic, I continue to see way too much credence given to the idea the Packers are wasting Aaron Rodgers by falling short of a championship again this year. How would you articulate to people how shortsighted and ultimately fruitless that brand of thinking tends to be?

It belongs to fans that want to spend a lot of money in free agency. They want to load up on now before it becomes then. Itís a philosophy thatís counter to everything in which I believe. My philosophy is to take care of the future and the future will take care of the present. Also, if the Packers were to load up on free agents and win it all in 2016, causing a salary cap crunch and roster-age problem that would cause the team to go dormant a few years down the road, those same fans will curse the decline, instead of accepting it as an inevitable result of trading tomorrow for today.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:03:16 pm
Karl from Santa Fe, NM

Vic, care to rate your December (and January) friend(s)? For me, December was more pain and January showed flashes and promise.

Two Hail-Mary touchdowns, a playoff win, a playoff overtime thriller and a division title game showdown on the final day of the season at Lambeau Field? It was a wonderful ride.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:10:52 pm
Jake from Grinnell, IA

Vic, someone asked you about maybe trading for Jimmy Graham, but with the way Ted Thompson does things, I feel a more realistic possibility could be Antonio Gates. What do you think? To me, he still has it.

Well, weíre off and running in the race to Nutsville. Do you really want to trade for a 35-year-old tight end with chronic foot problems? Please, tell me this is a joke.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:14:49 pm
Dan from New Berlin, WI

I wish you were still pumping gas in the cold, Vic.

I was pumping gas yesterday and the sun was so bright I had to go back into the car and get my sunglasses.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:16:38 pm
Curt from Locust Grove, GA

Remember when everyone was ready to fire Ron Rivera?

What are they saying in New England today? ďHow could Belichick go into that game with those two tackles? Why didnít he have a plan for that? This loss is on him.Ē Coaches understand the mania. They accept it as part of their profession. They get fired for their losses, and then another team hires them for their wins. The howl of the wolf is mighty.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:18:11 pm
Richard from Farmington Hills, MI

You wrote that we needed one more takeaway. Well, we had one but, unlike 2010, Sam Shields dropped it in the fourth quarter. It occurred to me that our last three playoff losses have something in common. Hyde dropped the fourth-quarter interception in 2013 against San Francisco at Lambeau, and Burnett failed to return his interception last year. In all three cases, the Packers likely win if those plays are made. It just shows what a fine line there often is between winning and losing a playoff game.

How would three more playoff wins look on Mike McCarthyís coaching record?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:25:37 pm
Comment From Spencer

Do you believe we've seen the last of Scott Tolzien in a Packers uniform? It sure feels like he'll be competing for a starting job somewhere next year.

That would be my guess. I think the Packers will be looking to develop Hundley into Rodgers' regular backup now.               
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:33:18 pm
Comment From Clay

Do you have any comments on what appears to be a lack of qulaity depth on the offensive line with the possible exception of Tretter?

The Packers found Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari, Linsley and Tretter all in the fourth round or later. They can improve the depth up front without having to spend the premium picks. That's what I expect them to do.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2016, 11:36:41 pm
Comment From Eli from Rechovot

I hear what you said about Neal and/or Perry. But wouldn't it be more valuable to keep Julius Peppers another year?

Peppers is not a free agent. He has one more year left on his contract. I'm not considering him a free agent unless the Packers were to release him, and my guess is they won't.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 27, 2016, 08:10:40 pm
Jacob from Green Bay, WI

The number one problem with free agency comes down to this: If the player was good and the money was right, that player wouldnít be a free agent.

I think thatís true in most cases. The challenge is finding the players that represent mistakes by their former teams. Those players are becoming more difficult to find. Teams are becoming much better at retaining the good ones.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 27, 2016, 08:15:12 pm
Vic, perhaps an overview of the salary cap rules is needed. Among other things, I do not understand how up-front payments affect future yearsí salary caps.

You restructure a player whoís set to make $10 million in salary. You convert his salary, which is declared in full in the year itís paid, to signing bonus and add years to the contract. That allows his salary to be divided evenly over the remaining years of the contract, which creates room this year and moves amounts that are disproportionate to the playerís worth onto future caps. Do it with too many of your players and youíll begin hearing the faint sound of a train whistle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 28, 2016, 08:34:44 pm
Joseph from East Dundee, IL

Vic, do you know how cornerbacks Tramon Williams and Davon House played this year for their new teams?

Until he was injured, Williams played well. House stayed healthy and played to the potential he always had in Green Bay. I think the Packers are going to be awarded handsomely for having lost those two players in free agency.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 28, 2016, 08:39:04 pm
Mark from Brookfield, WI

Vic, Randall and Rollins are talented, young playmakers under the direction of a demanding coach (Whitt) and surrounded by a strong core of fellow DBs. In addition to their own raw talent, whose influence allowed them to make an immediate impact during their rookie seasons?

I credit Joe Whitt and the scouting department. The scouting department saw through the camouflage. In Damarious Randall, the Packers saw a cornerback playing safety; thatís why he lasted to the bottom of the first round. In Quinten Rollins, they saw a one-year wonder whose talent, and the Packersí belief in their ability to identify it, made Rollins worthy of a second-round pick. Theyíre home-run picks and examples of what teams at the bottom of the order have to do to defeat the system. You have to find players whose values are greater than the slot at which they were selected.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 28, 2016, 08:40:34 pm
Allyn from New Canaan, CT

I was fortunate to watch the re-broadcast of Super Bowl I. These players hit hard and played hard. The one thing that was pleasing to watch is nobody celebrated after any play, including touchdowns. Do you think we will ever return to this type of sportsmanship?

No, but it wasnít about sportsmanship, it was about dignity. Iíd like to see a return to that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 28, 2016, 08:50:13 pm


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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 30, 2016, 07:28:08 pm
Mike from Milwaukee, WI

Vic, you mentioned that one advantage the Packers have is not having to worry about acquiring players in order to sell tickets. I agree. One disadvantage, however, is many players donít want to play in Green Bay. I think this comes into consideration when deciding which players they try to retain. I think management likes keeping good players who are happy playing in Green Bay, since they can be hard to find. Do you agree?

I agree. The Packers treat their players better than any team Iíve covered. If I was a player, I would want to play for the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 30, 2016, 07:30:21 pm
Marc from Cumming, GA

Vic, am I being too bold in thinking the Packersí secondary will be the best in the NFL next year? Randall and Rollins have a full year of experience and you have Shields, Hyde and two very good safeties. Am I being too optimistic?

No, and I think youíre missing a good-looking young cornerback in LaDarius Gunter and, of course, a decision is due on Casey Hayward. I think the secondary is the strength of the team, and thatís a very good place to be strong.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 30, 2016, 07:32:08 pm
Mike from Jacksonville, NC

Do you believe the philosophy you must be a fan of your home stateís team? As a kid, Brett Favre was my hero, so the Packers were my first team. Iíve been a loyal fan ever since.

You donít tell your heart what to love. It tells you.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 30, 2016, 07:37:42 pm
Drew from Charleston, SC

What direction would you consider the Packersí arrow to be pointing? Many talking heads would believe this team is on the decline and getting older. I see a young defense ready to raise its game and a QB with a huge window.

I see a good roster highlighted by young, ascending players, and I see a team with a healthy salary cap, a full complement of draft picks and more on the way. Thatís an up arrow.


Only an idiot would call the Packers old and aging.  They are one of the youngest teams in the league and came up  with at least 3 draftees with Pro-Bowl potential.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 30, 2016, 08:17:02 pm
Caleb from Eau Claire, WI

Vic, what role do you see JC Tretter filling next season?

Whatís wrong with the role he filled this past season? He was a valuable member of the offensive line who played his best game when the team had a desperate need at left tackle in the playoffs against the Redskins.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on January 30, 2016, 08:23:59 pm
Josh from Pullman, WA

Can we do lots of predictions in the offseason, let us make them and you respond with your opinion? I love making predictions. I feel like I hit a decent percentage. Hereís mine: We draft a TE in round one, a TE with speed to run the seam route.

Why do I have the feeling Hunter Henry is going to be this yearís Ha Ha?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 01, 2016, 06:41:55 pm
Phil from Melbourne, Australia

It seems to me if the quality of QBs coming out of college is on the decline, this also means the urgent need to get them on the field should decline as well, and teams will feel more comfortable actually training and developing talent.

I agree. Teams will need to address the quarterback position more often because theyíll need a constant supply of developmental quarterbacks to find the few that can develop to the NFL level. I think weíre headed for a day of increased quarterback movement from team to team, as it would pertain to young, developmental quarterbacks whoíre reaching the ends of their rookie contracts. Itís the value position and the supply-demand balance is tilting heavily toward demand.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 01, 2016, 06:49:08 pm
Justin from La Crosse, WI

Is writing that this yearís Ha-Ha is Hunter Henry a self-fulfilling prophecy?

I donít know. If his name was Larry Lipfungus would fans still want to draft him?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 01, 2016, 07:04:05 pm
Eddie Lacy Reportedly Expected to Lose 30 Pounds by Packers

 By Joe Pantorno , Featured Columnist  Feb 1, 2016
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 08:31:54 pm
Joe from Moline, IL

Which NFL commissioner would have made the best President of the United States?

Pete Rozelle is the answer. Heís the best commissioner of any major professional sports league ever. His genius was understated. His poise was without parallel. His control was the result of the respect he commanded. When he spoke, giants of the game, such as Lombardi, listened. Pete possessed a rare human quality. He spoke often of his regret for allowing games to be played during the Kennedy assassination weekend. He was the most powerful executive in all of sports, but reporters could call him and ask him questions or get a statement on a subject, and he would always meet with reporters in the back of the press box when he attended a game. He was special.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 08:33:53 pm
Conor from Milwaukee, WI

I have full trust in the draft-and-develop system, and the people we have in place to do those things. That being said, I want to know when the proper time to start mortgaging your future for the present would be? If you draft and develop with enough success, do you ever need to risk your cap health for any reason?

No. The cap is No. 1. It must never be abused.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 08:42:13 pm
Dan from Chattanooga, TN

Vic, if every team in the league practiced draft-and-develop, and only patched through free agency when the deal was worth it, how would that affect free agency, or the league as a whole? Surely the league benefits from the teams who willingly overspend in free agency?

The league wants free agency to thrive, but I see it as a market in retreat. Affordable one-year patching seems to be the trend. The hold-me-hostage contracts are in decline.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 08:42:57 pm
Brian from St. Charles, IL

Vic, what are the odds they go for a tight end in the first round.

Henry Hunter?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 08:50:45 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/photo-gallery/Winter-storm-reaches-Lambeau-Field/47e51e26-4693-4156-8cf8-876f5ca632bb#95220100-6251-47c2-b288-722ad40624c0

Vince on  Ground Hog Day.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 09:03:13 pm
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- No single thing contributed to Aaron Rodgers' most difficult season since his first as the Green Bay Packers' starter but with the news that he underwent knee surgery shortly after the season, we now have one more factor to consider.

At least once this past season, coach Mike McCarthy described his quarterback as "banged up."
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 09:24:38 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2612858-insider-buzz-julius-peppers-plans-to-play-next-season-even-if-cut-by-packers
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 02, 2016, 10:34:57 pm
Jeff Janis and Jared Abbrederis are potential building blocks for the #Packers at WR http://pck.rs/1PPI0iq 

Two white guys Movin' on up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 03, 2016, 10:05:27 pm
Dave from Germantown, TN

Vic, if you were the GM of the Houston Texans, who lack ďThe Man,Ē would you be interested in Robert Griffith III, Johnny Manziel or Colin Kaepernick, all of whom seem likely to be cut by their current teams?

Coach Noll said you donít build from the waiver wire.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 03, 2016, 10:12:28 pm
Gary from Davenport, IA

Vic, in a few days, every Hall of Fame finalist will have his case presented by one of the selection committee members. What, if anything, would need to be said by the person making a case for Brett Favreís enshrinement?

I would say, ďBefore I waste our time on something unnecessary, are we all in agreement Favre is in?Ē That should do it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 03, 2016, 10:16:23 pm
Brenda from Sioux Center, IA

I have a cynical statement I would like to know your response to. My hypothesis to the youth football participation issue is if the middle class continues to get squeezed, participation in youth football wonít decline. Follow the money.

A few years ago, I read a story on statements top-ranking football people made 20 years ago on how they thought the game would look 20 years later. Some of the comments were pure prophecy. The one that stuck with me was made by Marv Levy. He said the game would be played almost exclusively by the lower classes. That bothered me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 03, 2016, 10:22:40 pm
Andy from Marshfield, MA

Coach says we need a big WR who can work the middle of the field. Can you provide a couple of names in the draft that fit this prescription?

Tyler Boyd is 6-2, 190. Heís fearless anywhere on the field and makes big play after big play. He plays with Larry Fitzgerald-like grace and might be available to the Packers in the second round. DeíRunnya Wilson is 6-5, 215. Heís a big possession receiver who should be available in the second round, maybe even later.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2016, 10:21:36 pm
Mike McCarthy Reportedly 'Fed Up' with GM Ted Thompson's Free-Agency Approach

 By Mike Norris , Featured Columnist  Jan 24, 2016

Just win another SB and all will be well.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2016, 10:28:33 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2016/02/03/green-bay-the-best-football-city-bar-none/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=em

List of 245 NFL city bars.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2016, 10:42:54 pm
Steve from Lake Stevens, WA

Vic, which positions are deepest in this draft?

Tony Pauline says ďoffensive tackle is very good. Space linebackers, very good there, with guys that can drop into coverage, not just rushers. Not a bad center crop. Wide receiver is OK; two first-rounders, four second-rounders. Good defensive tackle class.Ē

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2016, 10:46:34 pm
Chuck from Gold Canyon, AZ

What did Tony think of Blake Martinez during Senior Bowl practices? I donít see him mentioned in many four-round mock drafts, but he impressed me at Stanford and reports had him having a solid week. I know mock drafts arenít reality but could he be this yearís Jake Ryan and a good fit for ILB in the middle rounds, allowing us to fill other need positions that are BAP in the early rounds?

Per Tony: ďHe did well. He didnít have any breakdowns; he had like six tackles in the game. Heís an intelligent player whoís somewhat athletic. Heís a three-down player. Late third round.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2016, 10:53:24 pm
Steve from Las Vegas, NV

Vic, I really missed your updates on players from the Senior Bowl. Now that itís over, who really made an unexpected impression with Tony?

I donít know what his expectations were, but these are his impressions of the players Tony believes were the top performers at the Senior Bowl: ďCarson Wentz really stood out. He did what a quarterback from a small school has to do. He has a big arm, can make all of the throws. Heís 6-5, 233. Wednesday was cold, rainy and windy. He was the only guy who could cut the wind. He was pretty accurate. I liked his leadership skills. He wasnít overwhelmed. Either he or Jared Goff from Cal will be the first quarterback taken. Kenyan Drake of Alabama looked like a real playmaker. Had a major knee injury; came back last year. Very explosive all three days of practice. Reggie Bush kind of quickness and explosion. Really did well as a pass-catcher out of the backfield. Braxton Miler was outstanding. He looked like he had played receiver all of his life. You can tell heís been working on the nuances of the position. Nick Vannett looked like a large possession receiver. Got down the seam, made difficult catches in crowds. Held his own as a blocker. Jason Spriggs of Indiana looked very good. Very athletic. Tremendous pass protector. The big question was what was his strength at the point of attack like? He answered that question. He went from the second round to late in round one. Vernon Butler (325 pounds) of Louisiana Tech and Matt Ioannidis of Temple were both really good. Ioannidis at times looked like a one-man show. Noah Spence of Eastern Kentucky, by way of Ohio State, did really well rushing the passer. He projects as a 3-4 outside linebacker. He looked like a first-round pick in 2013. He looks the part. He came in shape.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2016, 11:32:05 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079848/hunter-henry


GB pick # 27, round 1?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 05, 2016, 07:14:22 pm
Matt from Ironwood, MI

Todd McShay came out with a mock draft and guess who he had the Packers selecting in the first round? Hunter Henry. Let the mania begin?

From now on, he will be known as Ha Ha Hunter Henry.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 05, 2016, 07:20:33 pm
Kent from Lewiston, ID

Vic, we love your column out here in the Northwest! Great job! Tell us what your Super Bowl 50 day plan is and please give us your pick to win the game and final score. You explain to us all the time about the mystique of football and the love of the game America has with it. Cinderella ending for Peyton: Broncos 29, Panthers 27.

It wouldnít shock me should the Broncos win, but I would expect a lower final score to favor the Broncos. Iíll spend the day doing stuff around the house, to avoid the hype on TV, and then Iíll sit down precisely at kickoff and watch the game in relative silence. Iíll be sitting in my personal ďpress box.Ē I say, Panthers 24, Broncos 20.


All good,
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on February 05, 2016, 07:26:38 pm
The Panthers will win in a blow out.  The only way the Broncos have a shot is if their defense has a stellar performance and gets multiple turnovers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 05, 2016, 07:28:09 pm
Agree.  Hope that you are right.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 05, 2016, 09:08:11 pm
In the immediate aftermath of the Green Bay Packers' loss to the Arizona Cardinals in the Divisional round of the playoffs, Julius Peppers wasn't positive about his future in the NFL.

Peppers was quoted as saying in the locker room after that game that he was "not sure" whether he would return for another season in 2016, according to Ryan Wood of PackersNews.com.

But it apparently didn't take long for him to make up his mind. Jason Cole of BleacherReport.com reports that Peppers told him while at the Pro Bowl that he hopes to play next season. That takes retirement off the table.

Now the Packers have to decide whether they'll honor the contract Peppers originally signed with the team in 2014.

Peppers is under contract for one more season with the Packers with a salary-cap hit of $10.5 million in 2016.

Ironically, Peppers had exactly 10.5 sacks this past season, which if he can replicate, the Packers would be paying exactly $1 million per sack in terms of the salary-cap hit they'd be absorbing.

If the Packers were hypothetically to release Peppers, he would count $2.5 million against the salary cap in dead money, clearing up about $8 million in cap room.

The Packers already have more than $20 million in salary-cap space in 2016, so money would not appear to be an issue in terms of either retaining Peppers or signing any of their impending free agents or draft choices.

The only issue is whether the Packers think Peppers is worth it. And he is.

Peppers might not be the same player he was at the prime of his career, but assuming the Packers continue to cut back on his snap count to keep him fresh, he remains a productive player and pass rusher.

Remarkably, even at 35 years old, Peppers just completed his eighth consecutive season playing in all 16 games, evidence that he keeps his body in elite condition.

That's something the Packers can hang their hat on, and so is Peppers' penchant for creating turnover-producing plays, whether it's via forced fumble or interception. And so is his locker-room presence and leadership.

If the Packers can somehow get Peppers to restructure his contract to a more team-friendly deal, great.

But if they have to live with getting just one more season out of a Hall of Fame-caliber player motivated to win his first Super Bowl, he's worth the $10.5 million.

RELATED: Green Bay Packers 2015 Report Card: Outside linebackers
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearFan on February 06, 2016, 08:59:58 am
Remarkably, even at 35 years old, Peppers just completed his eighth consecutive season playing in all 16 games, evidence that he keeps his body in elite condition.

Well, during his Bears years, he attended every game.  Whether he was actually playing in all of them, especially the last season, is debatable. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 06, 2016, 09:51:20 pm
Paul from Ellensburg, WA

Vic, expectations were very high for the Packersí 2015 season. Then we lost Jordy and had all the offensive line injuries. Is there still good reasons to hope big for next season?

As long as a team has ďThe Man,Ē a good roster to support him, a healthy salary cap and a full complement of draft picks, there is always hope for next season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 06, 2016, 09:55:48 pm
Paul from Milwaukee, WI

Vic, I remember a time when players were drafted and had to ride the bench for a few years before they even touched the field. Seems like teams want these fresh-out-of-college players to produce right away. Is there any truth or insight to that statement?

Itís difficult to commit a big chunk of your salary cap to players who donít contribute. In the salary cap era, you have to be willing to let players leave, as the Packers allowed Tramon Williams and Davon House to leave in free agency last year, and that demands rookies such as Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins to be immediate contributors. The cap runs your team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 06, 2016, 09:57:19 pm
Jim from Wauwatosa, WI

Last year, when the Broncos let John Fox go, you said ďmaybe they got tired of winning.Ē Now that Denver is playing in the Super Bowl, what are your thoughts on this matter?

Players, not plays.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 06, 2016, 10:06:24 pm
Here is the list of Saturday night's winners, which includes Aaron Rodgers and Charles Woodson.


Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and tight end Richard Rodgers won the Bridgestone Performance Play of the Year Award for their game-winning Hail Mary touchdown pass at Detroit.

Aaron and Richard Rodgers exchanged a handshake on stage.

ďI still love seeing that replay,Ē Aaron Rodgers said. ďThat was a special night. Exciting game, definitely one Iíll never forget.Ē

Rodgers thanked the fans for voting, the offensive line for blocking and receiver Davante Adams for misjudging the ball and taking the Lions' defensive backs deep into the end zone.

Turning it over to Richard, the big tight end said: ďI donít really have much to say. Iím the other Rodgers on the team. Iíll leave it all to Aaron.Ē

The award was selected from 20 Performance Moments voted on by fans on NFL.com. Packers cornerback Micah Hyde finished third with his one-handed interception vs. Minnesota in Week 17.

I still think occasionally bout Peke's comment on that interception.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 06, 2016, 10:07:59 pm

  Bob McGinn
✔  ‎@BobMcGinn 

HOF officials have requested that the #Packers be one of the two teams in HOF game in August. Should be announced in next week or two.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on February 07, 2016, 11:50:41 pm
It was great to see the mighty Peckers in the 10 straight Super Bowl today, at least according to their delusional fans. 16 and 0.....

Nope road Wild Card team....and fading.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 07, 2016, 11:59:23 pm

  Shutdown Corner  ‎@YShutdownCorner 


15-1 teams that won SB
84 49ers
85 Bears

15-1 teams that didnít
98 Vikings
04 Steelers
11 Packers
15 Panthers

10:59 PM - 7 Feb 2016
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 08, 2016, 12:01:57 am

  Ryan Wood
✔  ‎@ByRyanWood 

If you dab and howl like Cam Newton when you're 17-1, you can't walk away from postgame interview when you lose. A series lack of maturity.

10:22 PM - 7 Feb 2016


Amen.
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on February 08, 2016, 05:21:33 pm
Aaron Wahhhhdger will be 32 and then 33 end of next year. QB rating down to 92.7.....20 points lower than last year and 12 points below his career average.

Getting old for football. Not everyone plays to 40.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 08, 2016, 09:58:05 pm
Odds to win next year's Super Bowl (via @Westgate_LV):

Seattle 8-1
New England 8-1
Pittsburgh 8-1
Green Bay 10-1
Arizona 10-1
Carolina 10-1
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on February 09, 2016, 09:54:04 am

When Aaron Rodgers starts playing like Peyton Manning then I'll be happy - he ain't there yet folks.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on February 09, 2016, 01:18:40 pm
Nah, GB has some issues but it ain't the guy behind center.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2016, 06:53:26 pm


Joey from Marinete, WI

Vic, can Packers fans ever be happy? We had a rough season, but does that really mean we need to spend cap money on free agents? Weíve contended almost every season under Thompson, and weíve won it all. Why do the fans think thereís something to be fixed?

First of all, 10-6 and coming within an overtime of the NFC title game is not a rough season. The first thing Packers fans need to do, in my opinion, is adjust their expectations. If the last seven years isnít viewed as winning, then the expectations are the problem. Philosophically, nothing needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2016, 07:01:53 pm
Brian from Maple Grove, MN

Vic, Iíve now seen two Broncos QBs win the Super Bowl with similarly dismal stats. Peyton completed 13 passes for 141 yards, no TDs and one interception; same for Elway in XXXII. Do you really need ďThe ManĒ or just a dominating defense to win the big one?

Youíre swimming upstream if you try to win it all the way the Broncos did. The two wins to which you referred are two decades apart. How many Super Bowls in that period were won by teams that didnít have ďThe ManĒ?


For Peyton Manning's sake I hope that he retires this off-season.  He is about as washed up as a player can get.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2016, 07:07:28 pm
Zaedon from Graytown, OH

Cam Newtonís press conference smacked of disappointment and hurt. I found it truly refreshing Cam didnít hide his emotions with canned answers. Throughout the game, I could feel Camís emotion. Why are so many people up in arms a football player showed real emotion during and after the biggest game of his life? The Broncos won the Super Bowl in spite of Manningís interception, fumble and all-around poor performance. Why does Peyton get a free pass for being the anchor that almost sunk his team?

I like the open mind with which youíre viewing Newtonís behavior. Manning has always been a gracious and dignified interview, and thatís why heís getting a pass, along with having been one of the great quarterbacks in football history. Newton is an immense talent and heís headed for a lot of great seasons. I think he can curry the favor of the media and fans Ė not to mention a greater endorsement presence Ė with a more welcoming interview personality.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2016, 10:23:15 pm

Rank

Player  (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active

Rate

Years

Teams


1. Aaron Rodgers  (32) 104.1  2005-2015  gnb
2. Russell Wilson  (27) 101.8  2012-2015  sea
3. Tony Romo  (35) 97.1  2004-2015  dal
4. Steve Young+  96.8  1985-1999  2TM
5. Peyton Manning  (39) 96.5  1998-2015  2TM
6. Tom Brady  (38) 96.4  2000-2015  nwe
7. Drew Brees  (37) 95.8  2001-2015  2TM
8. Philip Rivers  (34) 95.5  2004-2015  sdg
9. Ben Roethlisberger  (33) 94.0  2004-2015  pit
10. Kurt Warner  93.7  1998-2009  3TM
11. Joe Montana+  92.3  1979-1994  2TM
12. Matt Ryan  (30) 90.9  2008-2015  atl
13. Chad Pennington  90.1  2000-2010  2TM
14. Matt Schaub  (34) 89.1  2004-2015  4TM
15. Andy Dalton  (28) 88.4  2011-2015  cin
16. Cam Newton  (26) 88.2  2011-2015  car
17. Carson Palmer  (36) 88.1  2004-2015  3TM
18. Daunte Culpepper  87.8  1999-2009  4TM
19. Jeff Garcia  87.5  1999-2011  6TM
20. Otto Graham+  86.6  1946-1955  cle
21. Dan Marino+  86.4  1983-1999  mia
22. Trent Green  86.0  1997-2008  4TM
 Brett Favre  86.0  1991-2010  4TM
 Jay Cutler  (32) 86.0  2006-2015  2TM
25. Matthew Stafford  (28) 85.8  2009-2015  det
 David Garrard  85.8  2002-2013  2TM
27. Donovan McNabb  85.6  1999-2011  3TM
28. Ryan Tannehill  (27) 85.2  2012-2015  mia
29. Andrew Luck  (26) 85.0  2012-2015  clt
30. Rich Gannon  84.7  1987-2004  4TM
 Joe Flacco  (31) 84.7  2008-2015  rav
32. Alex Smith  (31) 84.5  2005-2015  2TM
33. Jim Kelly+  84.4  1986-1996  buf
 Marc Bulger  84.4  2002-2009  ram
35. Mark Brunell  84.0  1994-2011  5TM
36. Eli Manning  (35) 83.5  2004-2015  nyg
37. Roger Staubach+  83.4  1969-1979  dal
38. Steve McNair  82.8  1995-2007  2TM
39. Neil Lomax  82.7  1981-1988  crd
 Brian Griese  82.7  1998-2008  4TM
41. Len Dawson+  82.6  1957-1975  3TM
 Sonny Jurgensen+  82.6  1957-1974  2TM
43. Brad Johnson  82.5  1994-2008  4TM
44. Matt Hasselbeck  (40) 82.4  1999-2015  4TM
45. Ken Anderson  81.9  1971-1986  cin
46. Bernie Kosar  81.8  1985-1996  3TM
 Neil O'Donnell  81.8  1991-2003  4TM
48. Jason Campbell  (34) 81.7  2006-2014  5TM
 Danny White  81.7  1976-1988  dal
50. Troy Aikman+  81.6  1989-2000  dal
51. Dave Krieg  81.5  1980-1998  6TM
 Randall Cunningham  81.5  1985-2001  4TM
53. Jake Delhomme  81.3  1999-2011  4TM
54. Kyle Orton  81.2  2005-2014  5TM
55. Boomer Esiason  81.1  1984-1997  3TM
56. Sam Bradford  (28) 81.0  2010-2015  2TM
57. Warren Moon+  80.9  1984-2000  4TM
58. Ryan Fitzpatrick  (33) 80.8  2005-2015  6TM
59. Bart Starr+  80.5  1956-1971  gnb
 Jeff Hostetler  80.5  1985-1997  3TM
61. Jeff George  80.4  1990-2001  5TM
 Ken O'Brien  80.4  1984-1993  2TM
 Fran Tarkenton+  80.4  1961-1978  2TM
 Michael Vick  (35) 80.4  2001-2015  4TM
65. Steve Beuerlein  80.3  1988-2003  6TM
66. Dan Fouts+  80.2  1973-1987  sdg
67. John Elway+  79.9  1983-1998  den
68. Tony Eason  79.7  1983-1990  2TM
69. Elvis Grbac  79.6  1994-2001  3TM
70. Matt Cassel  (33) 79.3  2005-2015  5TM
71. Chris Chandler  79.1  1988-2004  7TM
72. Mark Rypien  78.9  1988-2001  5TM
 Byron Leftwich  78.9  2003-2012  4TM
74. Josh McCown  (36) 78.7  2002-2015  7TM
75. Jim Everett  78.6  1986-1997  3TM
76. Phil Simms  78.5  1979-1993  nyg
 Aaron Brooks  78.5  2000-2006  2TM
78. Bert Jones  78.2  1973-1982  2TM
 Jim McMahon  78.2  1982-1996  6TM
 Johnny Unitas+  78.2  1956-1973  2TM
81. Bobby Hebert  78.0  1985-1996  2TM
 Jeff Blake  78.0  1992-2005  7TM
83. Josh Freeman  77.6  2009-2015  3TM
 Jim Harbaugh  77.6  1987-2000  4TM
 Frank Ryan  77.6  1958-1970  3TM
86. Joe Theismann  77.4  1974-1985  was
 Jon Kitna  77.4  1997-2013  4TM
88. Charlie Batch  77.2  1998-2012  2TM
89. Drew Bledsoe 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2016, 10:29:19 pm
Only QB  with a chance to catch Rodgers is Wilson.  Nor likely, though.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on February 09, 2016, 10:31:55 pm
You can't compare QB rankings from last century to today.  Different game.

As for Rodgers vs Wilson.  Wilson doesn't have to catch Rodgers if Rodgers starts slipping.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: method on February 10, 2016, 09:37:49 am
surprised to see romo that high on the list.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2016, 09:58:05 pm
Even he has no idea Ö hereís what he said at the conclusion of the season when asked the question:


ďYou just never know. Theyíve got some young guys here. Pretty sure they want these young guys to play regardless of if Iím here or not. The only thing I can control is what I control, and that was my play for this year. Weíll see how it goes.Ē

Oct 12, 2014; Miami Gardens, FL, USA; Green Bay Packers cornerback Casey Hayward (29) celebrates after making an interception catch during the first half against the Miami Dolphins at Sun Life Stadium. Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports photograph
 
And despite the fact that heís not been so productive with the interceptions, itís his leadership that has been an advantage for him and one of the reasons the Packers may push to get him back in Green and Gold.

On last season, Hayward was recently quoted as saying,


ďI think it went well. That was my role: start outside and when we go nickel go inside. I kind of knew going in thatís how it would be. We played so much nickel that people didnít see me as much outside even though I started outside pretty much the whole season. I think I did well. I think I prepared well. I think I handled every situation well.Ē

But will that be enough for the Packers to make a play in free agency...

I'm afraid we will lose Hayward.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2016, 10:34:37 pm
Braden from Brookfield, WI

Vic, how many compensatory picks do you think the Packers will get? Which players will bring those picks?

I expect Tramon Williams and Davon House will deliver two fourth-round picks, or a four and a five at the worst. I think those awards would greatly help the Packers upgrade their roster, and I think that would be especially true in 2017 when teams will be permitted to trade compensatory picks. Itís all about replacing players. When you have a personnel department as talented at replacing players as the Packersí personnel department is, this is a winning formula: Let players leave, which helps achieve salary cap health and returns draft picks that can be used to replace the players that left with younger players of equal or greater talent. Itís a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2016, 10:36:18 pm
Vic, what does free agency bring?

It can bring repair, but it can also bring overspending and frustration. A free agent here and there, with a contract structured in a way that wonít hold the team hostage and wonít reduce its compensatory picks award, is a good thing. Iím all for it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2016, 10:45:18 pm
David from Highland, NY

Outside of Hunter Henry, what draft prospects should we keep an eye on?

Keep an eye on all of them. Donít focus on one guy. Thatís a formula for disappointment when the pick is made. I didnít see Damarious Randallís name mentioned one time in relation to the Packersí first-round pick last spring. As a result, when the pick was made, there was disappointment. Who is he? Why did the Packers pick another safety? Given the position in the order he was taken and the impact he provided at a distinct position of need, Randall was a home run draft pick.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2016, 10:52:16 pm
Lee from Cedar Rapids, IA

I read somewhere the Packers will be under the salary cap by about $23-$25 million. Shouldnít this allow us to sign our free agents and maybe pick up one if we find a good bargain?

Yes.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2016, 11:16:17 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Wildung

GB's last two-way payer.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on February 12, 2016, 09:10:09 am

Why did the Packers pick another safety? Given the position in the order he was taken and the impact he provided at a distinct position of need, Randall was a home run draft pick.

Must have been a coincidence that the BPA for the Packers just happened to fit a distinct position of need.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 12, 2016, 08:25:42 pm
No problem with the top three GB picks.  If you are trying to say they were a mistake you should wish the Bears could choose so well, dallas.  GB picked two safeties and converted them to CBs and they  played very well as rookies.  They picked a KR and he played very well as a WR and a rookie   The Packers' draft was a great one.

You want to just pick GOOD players.  No one is obligated to pick players who are not  needed..  You just don't pick a player BECAUSE he is at a  position of need.  Get it?





Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 12, 2016, 08:33:49 pm
B.J. Raji told Ryan Wood of the Green Bay Press-Gazette that Guionís new deal was ďwell deservedĒ and that he hasnít started any contract negotiations with the team at this point. The Packers also extended defensive end Mike Daniels before the end of the regular season...

Anew deal is NOT deserved and I doubt he will be back.  He was offered $8 a couple of years back and refused it,  Stupid agent.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 12, 2016, 08:41:45 pm
Ben from Brisbane, Australia

WR, TE and ILB seem to be positions of need for the Packers. Do any other positions need desperate attention?

Not desperate attention, but Tony Pauline says this is an outstanding year for offensive tackles, and I donít think it would hurt the Packers to grab a big-guy pass blocker. Depth at offensive tackle is of critical importance to all teams.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 12, 2016, 08:51:03 pm
Weston from Lake Geneva, WI

When does a teamís draft board start to really take shape?

Theyíve already taken shape. Theyíll be updated through the combine and pro-days season, but by and large teams could draft right now.


If you haven't already ,   heard from the Bears" staff your choices for the draft are probably not on their list.   LOL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 12, 2016, 08:57:14 pm
Thomas from Knox, IN

Vic, the Packers are not known for making big moves in free agency, but do you see anyone who might be a Ted Thompson pick up? A Vic Ketchman type of guy?

I did a bargain free agents kind of story a few years ago. Letroy Guion is one of the guys in that story. After the tags go out and we know what the market is, Iíll throw out some names.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 16, 2016, 09:51:13 pm

Coming or going: Raji, Forte, Crosby


 Pete Dougherty, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin 9:46 p.m. EST February 15, 2016







GPG ES Packers vs Vikings 11.22.15

(Photo: Evan Siegle/P-G Media)

Each Monday last NFL season I shared online four quick takes from the previous dayís Green Bay Packers game. Hereís the first offseason version of "Four Downs with Dougherty":

First down: The Packersí re-signing of defensive lineman Letroy Guion reduces the chances of B.J. Raji's return, but it doesnít preclude it.

The details of Guionís three-year, $11.25 million contract arenít in, but itís structure likely doesnít include a salary-cap number this year out of proportion with a deal that averages $3.75 million a season.

A report by NFL.com on Monday projects this yearís cap to be about $155 million, so the Packers had close to $25 million in cap room before the Guion signing. They have other impending costs, including free-agent kicker Mason Crosby, this yearís rookie class and any player or players general manager Ted Thompson might sign in free agency.

But there's still enough money to re-sign Raji if Thompson is so inclined. Raji made about $2.75 million in salary and bonuses last season. Heíll likely cost more than that on average on his next deal, but as a player who turns 30 in July, perhaps not a lot more.

The biggest difference will be in guaranteed money, and on that count Iíd be OK if I were the Packers in guaranteeing him, say, $3 million or $4 million over a multi-year deal. Heís clearly committed to prolonging his career by keeping down his weight. At this point, Iíd trust him.

The market will determine Rajiís deal, but the guess here is thereís not a big pot of gold out there for a run stopper his age. So thereís an OK chance he ends up back with the Packers.

Second down: Iíll believe Thompson will sign a 30-year-old free-agent running back when I see it.

Matt Forte will be a free agent in March, and the Bears have told him theyíre not going to re-sign him. Several reports have suggested he could be the rare free agent attractive to Thompson. But if I were Thompson, Iíd be very, very wary unless Forte is available for something approaching the NFLís minimum salary, which is unlikely.

In Forteís eight seasons with the Bears, he has been one of the NFLís best, if under-appreciated, all-purpose backs. He has been a really good player for a a team that habitually has been undermanned on the offensive line and lacked quality play at quarterback.

But Forte has been a workhorse since entering the NFL in 2008. Guess what running back has the most touches from í08 through last season? You got it. Matt Forte (2,522 carries and receptions combined). Heís got a lot of miles on him. Combined with his age, his crash could be imminent, even in a backup role. Buyer beware.

Third down: Teams can start applying their franchise tag Tuesday (through March 1), and the question is whether the Packers should use it on kicker Mason Crosby.

The tagsí exact values arenít in yet, but the projected kickerís tag is $4.5 million or a little higher. At that cost, I wouldnít tag Crosby if I were the Packers. Thatís a little too high. Instead, Iíd rely on the March 9 deadline for the start of free agency to facilitate a deal.

Crosby will be 32 in September and is coming off three strong seasons after he nearly kicked his way off the team in 2012. His 85.7 percent field-goal rate from 2013 through last year ranks No. 12 among the 23 kickers who have played in at least 40 games over that time. Thatís only middle of the pack in that group, but itís plenty good for a kicker whose home games are outdoors in Wisconsin. He also didnít miss from the new extra-point distance of 33 yards last season.

But Crosbyís next deal probably should average in the $3.5 million to $4 million range, and if you put the tag on him for $4.5 million or $4.6 million, it could get tough to get him to sign a longer-term deal at the lower rate. My guess is the deadline for the start of free agency will be enough to get a deal done.

Fourth down: Last week Bovada.lv listed the Packers as tied for the fourth-best odds (10-to-1) to win next season's Super Bowl.

New England has the best odds (15-2), followed by Denver and Pittsburgh (9-1 each), and then the Packers, Carolina and Seattle (10-1).

What does it mean? Mainly that the odds-makers don't see the Packers' offensive issues in 2015 as likely to bleed into 2016. The Packers still have one of the gameís top quarterbacks and a roster good enough to put them in the thick of the race for the next several years, pending offseason moves.

Last March, the Packers were tied with New England for the second-best odds (7-1) to win Super Bowl 50, behind only Seattle (6-1). Denver, the eventual winner, was fifth (10-1), and the team the Broncos beat in the Super Bowl, Carolina, was tied for 17th (40-1).

ó pdougher@pressgazettemedia.com and follow him on Twitter @PeteDoughe
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 16, 2016, 10:21:50 pm


CB Hayward Prepared to Hit the Free-Agent Market

via ESPN.com
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 16, 2016, 10:55:26 pm
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-flush-with-238-million-in-salary-cap-room-b99671135z1-368985821.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-flush-with-238-million-in-salary-cap-room-b99671135z1-368985821.html)

Packers flush with $23.8.   MM XS cap.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 16, 2016, 10:58:44 pm
The #Packers and #Colts will meet in the Hall of Fame game Aug. 7 in Canton, Ohio. http://pck.rs/1QGKSia 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2016, 11:29:52 pm
Phil from Las Vegas, NV

Vic, what does a quality control coach do?

Among other things, he works on special assignments. The Packers will scout and break down their 2016 opponents during the offseason. A quality control coach might be assigned the job of researching opponentsí second-and-short tendencies.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2016, 11:38:36 pm
Vincent from Monterey, CA

If Reggie Ragland somehow drops to the Packers at 27, does GM Vic pick him? Would GM Vic use one of those compensatory picks to trade up to the middle of the first round for him?

I would suspect Ragland would be at the top of my board should he fall to where the Packers are picking. I think he would be an easy pick at that spot. Heís kind of this yearís C.J. Mosley, who I hoped would fall to the Packers but didnít. Comp picks wonít be permitted to be traded until the 2017 draft.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2016, 11:46:07 pm
Jeff from Minneapolis, MN

Iím reading a series of articles about suggested personnel moves for every team. The author keeps suggesting that releasing players after June 1 would give teams more cap savings than if the player was released before June 1. Can you explain the difference that date makes and which monies become available to the team after June 1?

Itís the June 1 rule and it goes directly to the cap man I quoted yesterday: ďWhatís in the year stays in the year; everything else goes into the next year.Ē If the player is released prior to June 1, all of his bonus amortization accelerates into the current year. If you have the cap space to eat the dead money, go ahead and do it, but now youíre robbing Paul to pay Peter. Thatís one of the examples I would use to explain why cap space isnít an accurate indicator of a teamís cap health, or even of a teamís commitment to spending to the cap. Money can be moved in several ways. Cap space can be a shell game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2016, 11:52:25 pm

James from Dallas, TX

Who are the kicker and punter for your all-time hybrid team?

Bryan Barker is my punter. Kicker is a tie between Gary Anderson and Mason Crosby. If there was a kicker hall of fame, Anderson would be in it and Crosby would be on his way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2016, 11:54:38 pm
Mike from Cocoa Beach, FL

What are the chances of the Packers/Jaguars game moving to London?

I doubt Shad Khan is going to give up a guaranteed sellout to move the game to London. Packers fans will turn EverBank Field green.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on February 19, 2016, 09:37:44 am
That was a good Super Bowl win by the Peckers again. Greatest team ever. 5 straight Super Bowls.....

Nope.

Lost 3 out of their last 4.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 20, 2016, 07:35:10 am
Mason Crosby?  Come on, that is straight homer
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 21, 2016, 10:57:50 pm
Matt from Rochester, MN

Vic, as a Packers fan, why should I even concern myself with cap rules? I know the organization will have it handled and put a top-quality product on the field.

Thatís a sensible approach.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 22, 2016, 10:18:51 pm
Michael from Tampa, FL

Iíve been seeing more and more mock drafts with the Packers taking Arkansas TE Hunter Henry with their first-round pick. I know itís not even the combine, yet, but is it worth taking a TE over other positions of need, like linebacker or offensive tackle? The Packers havenít taken a TE in the first round since Bubba Franks back in 2000.

If heís the No. 1 guy on their board, pick him. By now, we should know the Packers are a best-available-player team. If we donít understand that, and donít understand what BAP means, itís impossible to discuss the draft and the Packersí process for it. Yes, there is wiggle room within that process, but not much.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 22, 2016, 10:23:18 pm
Damian from Cleveland, OH

I want to become more informed about the draft. Could you tell us what things about a player is fixable/coachable?

Size (weight, not height) and strength are fixable. The way a player is used is fixable. His nutrition and lifestyle are fixable, if his love and commitment to the game are complete. Everything about a player is fixable, except his speed and athletic ability. Find a fast, athletic player with fixable size and strength, and then identify a way to utilize him. Get the speed; itís always about speed. Rosters must get faster.

Damian from Cleveland, OH

I want to become more informed about the draft. Could you tell us what things about a player is fixable/coachable?

Size (weight, not height) and strength are fixable. The way a player is used is fixable. His nutrition and lifestyle are fixable, if his love and commitment to the game are complete. Everything about a player is fixable, except his speed and athletic ability. Find a fast, athletic player with fixable size and strength, and then identify a way to utilize him. Get the speed; itís always about speed. Rosters must get faster.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 22, 2016, 10:28:06 pm
Michael from Atlanta, GA

How about Bruce Irvin?

Weíve talked about him. He would certainly be a big splash. I canít help but wonder why the Seahawks would let him go. Cap casualty? The NFLPA has long maintained there are no cap casualties; teams have the means to keep any player they want to keep. I agree. Teams make cap decisions well in advance of their cap deadlines. Those decisions are based on price point. Thatís where the risk comes in for teams willing to pay a price the playerís original team isnít willing to pay. His original team has evaluated that player in every practice. They know more about him than any other team in the league. I have a lot of respect for Pete Carroll and the Seahawks. They donít make a lot of mistakes.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 22, 2016, 10:32:35 pm
Chase from Morton, IL

Vic, letís assume these players are available and the Packers for, whatever reason, had to take one. Which would you prefer out of Tamba Hali, Shea McClellin or Haloti Ngata?

I love Haliís attitude and motor. Heís been a great player for a long time, but now heís 32 and he has a knee issue. I get the sense heíll do something with the Chiefs. McClellin is young enough for a second wind to his career. I loved him at his Senior Bowl. He needs to go where he might fit a specific role. Ngata was a dominant defensive tackle in Baltimore. He was thought to be a cap casualty. The Ravens are very good managers. Iíll stick with what I have. I like young, developing talent.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 23, 2016, 11:09:06 pm
Scott from Los Angeles, CA

Is BAP as simple as the Packers rank their top 256 prospects, cross off the names as other teams pick, then take the highest ranked when itís their turn?

Teams donít reveal their process. It can be that simple, but I doubt it is. A few years ago, a GM told me his process for drafting BAP included eliminating grades to the hundredth. In other words, if he had three players graded 6.23, 6.22 and 6.21, heíd make them all 6.2, which meant three players fit as BAP when it was his turn to pick. After all, can you really count on a hundredth of a point being accurate? There has to be some wiggle room.


I believe this is pretty common.  Those ratings are somewhat ofa crapshoot, anyway.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 24, 2016, 10:27:17 pm
Owen from Tampa, FL

As you said, a butt-kicking linebacker would make our defense elite. Reggie Ragland and Jaylon Smith have to be at the top of our wish list. Are there any lesser-known, butt-kicking linebackers we should be keeping our eyes on? A playmaker would be great, but Iíll take one of those undervalued tackling machines.

Auburnís Cassanova McKinzy is a big thumper. He has some speed, too. Heís thought to be a mid-rounds guy. Mississippi Stateís Beniquez Brown is a playmaker with a high ceiling. He can help himself with a big combine. He goes in as an underrated, third-round kind of prospect. He could jump up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 24, 2016, 10:30:55 pm
Stuart from Fort Wayne, IN

How does GM Vic decide when to take a needs player over the BAP player?

When need and value meet, you draft for need. Remember, there can be ties at the top of your board. Ties are generally broken by need.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2016, 07:08:27 pm
Dan from Burton on Trent, UK

Vic, two players graded the same are available at your pick in the draft. A cornerback and a tight end. Which do you pick? Is a premium position more important than need when selecting draft picks?

I think it is, especially if itís the first round, because now youíre talking about a premium talent at a premium position, and that combination represents potential stardom. Late in the draft, I might favor need over the impact of the position. When drafting, everything has to be considered. Thatís where feel takes over for science.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2016, 07:11:05 pm
Pete from Wausau, WI

Ha Ha aside, how many times does Mr. Thompson draft someone the column has focused on? Were you surprised by Randall and Rollins? Did you have to look them up? I trust our GM. He has earned it. The draft should be like the season; donít have expectations, just enjoy it. Thanks for the column.

Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins werenít mentioned in this column once before they were selected by the Packers. Tony never mentioned them to me, I never asked Tony about them, and I was completely caught off guard when the Packers selected them. A safety converting to cornerback and a one-year player from the MAC? Nobody saw that coming. What their selections told me is what I already knew: The Packers personnel department leaves no stone unturned in its search for talent.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2016, 07:27:56 pm

Stephen Knapowski > Winsomniac Al  ē 2 hours ago 

Only two teams have made the playoffs in the last seven years. The Packers and the Patriots. And they both have one Super Bowl win in that period. The Packers have been competitive almost the entire TT and MM period. Ill take that over the 70's and 80's - 100% of the time.
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 26, 2016, 05:13:27 am
[quote author =packrat link=topic=346.msg261634#msg261634 date=1456450076]
Stephen Knapowski > Winsomniac Al  ē 2 hours ago 

Only two teams have made the playoffs in the last seven years. The Packers and the Patriots. And they both have one Super Bowl win in that period. The Packers have been competitive almost the entire TT and MM period. Ill take that over the 70's and 80's - 100% of the time.
[/quote]

As a fan, I 100% agree with that statement.  I didn't realize the Patriots have only one once.  And I am all for the Packers return to their 80's glory.

And Mason Crosby will not be in the hall of fame....   ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearHit on February 26, 2016, 08:21:38 am
When does Mike McCarthy get Lovie'd out the door?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 26, 2016, 09:33:14 pm
As a fan, I 100% agree with that statement.  I didn't realize the Patriots have only one once.  And I am all for the Packers return to their 80's glory.

And Mason Crosby will not be in the hall of fame....   ::) ::) ::)


Please, no.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 27, 2016, 09:32:27 pm
Nicholas from Louisville, KY

Vic, what is your opinion of Sheldon Rankins?

I love him. Heís another Mike Daniels. Rankins is undersized, which means heís likely to drop beneath his value. Heís ultra-productive, all out and explosive. He has no negatives, except for his lack of size, which makes him perfect for a 3-4. Heís the kind of squat, physical, block-eating two-gapper thatís perfect for a 3-4 defense. He plays through blocks, which is the key. The next Aaron Donald? Iíd love to see the Packers have a chance to draft Rankins.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 27, 2016, 10:21:08 pm
MM reiterated how impressed he is how much Jordy Nelson has regained his speed.  He is a gym rat and way ahead of schedule.

MM  on how impressed he is with the growth of Hundley.  He has picked up the QB mechanics growth at a remarkable rate  It really looks like TT hit  the jackpot on that draft.  Some GMs really screwed up.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 28, 2016, 08:52:40 pm
Itís not easy for a young player to experience a significant injury like the high ankle sprain Ty Montgomery has been dealing with. But Packers coach Mike McCarthy is impressed with the way Montgomery has handled himself since getting hurt.



More From Titletown Report2/27 - Green Bay Packers News: Did Mike McCarthy hint at free agency activity?


Brett Hundley poised for backup role | Michael Cohen of JSOnline.com

Scott Tolzien looks destined for free agency, which means Brett Hundley will get an opportunity to backup Aaron Rodgers next season. Hundley was outstanding during preseason despite having to learn an offense alien to the one he had in college.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 29, 2016, 09:58:16 pm
Noah from Brisbane, Australia

Vic, if you had the first pick in this draft and had to draft a quarterback, who would you select?

Jared Goff, and one of the reasons that would sway me is heís from Cal. Nonsensical, right? I agree, just as it was nonsensical for Aaron Rodgers to fall in the draft because he came out of a Jeff Tedford system that had produced several quarterback busts. Now, Rodgersí success has re-branded Cal quarterbacks, and I think Goff is going to reap the rewards.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 29, 2016, 10:04:40 pm
Louis from Coral Springs, FL

Vic, if a team is in the salary cap abyss and they hire the right people to fix it, what would be the theoretical minimum timeline before they return to being contenders again?

If they commit to a complete cut and gut, and if they draft lights out, find some hits in street and undrafted free agency, and if they hit on a franchise quarterback in their first draft, they can become competitive again in year three. Otherwise, itís more like five years.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on February 29, 2016, 10:06:04 pm
Ross from Stephenson, MI

Has the ardor for Hunter Henry cooled since his performance at the combine (13 reps on the bench and DNP in the other tests)?

Iím getting a lot of Nick Vannett now.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 01, 2016, 08:50:01 pm

Packers prepared for post-Ted Thompson era | Rob Demovsky of ESPN

Packers president Mark Murphy knows how long Ted Thompson expects to remain as general manager in Green Bay, and he also has an idea who Thompsonís successor will be. Of course, he wonít reveal that information, but itís good to know Murphy wonít be caught off guard and has one eye on the future.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 01, 2016, 08:50:42 pm
Andrew from Des Moines, IA

Vic, interesting reading about Starrís hazing incident and how in 1953 college rules supposedly mandated two-way play. When did this end and, for fun, who would be your 11 current Packers to play both ways?

I remember two-platoon football beginning in college football in the late 1950s and early í60s. Mike Ditka played both ways during that period and was every bit as impactful as a defensive end as he was as a receiving end. Ditka was one of the last two-way guys I can remember. The current Packers: Aaron Rodgers, QB-S; Clay Matthews, C-LB; Julius Peppers, TE-LB; Mike Daniels, G-DE; Josh Sitton, G-NT; Damarious Randall, WR-CB; Randall Cobb, FB-CB; Eddie Lacy, RB-LB; Jordy Nelson WR-S, David Bakhtiari, LT-DE; JC Tretter, RT-LB.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 01, 2016, 08:55:35 pm
James from Brooklyn, NY

What are the 10 commandments for fans? How about ďThou shall not forget this is a game and is supposed to be funĒ 10 times?

1. Donít boo if you donít like being booed.

2. Stay to the end or youíll get trapped in the parking lot.

3. Ignore troublemakers.

4. Donít ever go to Philadelphia.

5. Donít stand.

6. Donít sit.

7. Say hi to me when Iím walking to the press box.

8. Cheer, donít howl; howling is what they do in Seattle.

9. Never say ďI couldíve done that;Ē you couldnít.

10. Be winsome.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 01, 2016, 08:58:18 pm
Damone from San Jose, CA

Vic, can you tell me about Ryan Pickett? I know he was a free agent signing, but how big was his impact for the Packers winning in 2010?

Pickett, in my opinion, is the perfect free agent acquisition. Heís a player who fit a scheme that allowed him to play his best football, and at a time when he could be acquired affordably. The Packers wouldnít have won the Super Bowl without him. Find the next Ryan Pickett. Thatís how I believe free agency should be used.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 01, 2016, 09:18:57 pm
TE Hunter Henry was not impressive in the Combine..  ;-(
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 02, 2016, 10:44:19 pm
Wayne from Bellevue, NE

Iím very happy Mason Crosby will be back. Whoís the best kicker youíve ever covered?

It would be a tossup between Crosby and Gary Anderson.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 04, 2016, 05:52:38 am
You're killin' me Packy, lol .... ::) :D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 09, 2016, 09:10:19 pm
I like Gould  a lot, too.  He seems o hurt the Packers A lot,
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 09, 2016, 09:10:42 pm
Green Bay Packers: Julius Peppers trying to recruit Matt Forte, per reports

From Lombardi Ave

Julius Peppers is trying to get his former teammate, Matt Forte, to join him in Green Bay....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on March 09, 2016, 09:17:06 pm
Forte is a Jet.   He isn't going to Green Bay.  Thank goodness!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 09, 2016, 09:34:20 pm
Didn't know that.  Too bad.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2016, 12:10:04 am

I'd like to think Forte just couldn't bring himself to wear Green/gold but it also helped that he Jets did lose their 1000 yard back and are a probable playoff team.

I'd like to see what he signed for.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on March 10, 2016, 07:29:24 am
I could have understood if Forte wanted to go to GB so he could show the Bears 2-3 times per year that they made a mistake letting him go.
I don't understand why he would go to NYJ with no QB over GB with a potential HOF QB. He might also be the best receiver not named Jordy Nelson :-)
They could use while Lacy gets in shape and let him split carries and save his body.

I expect at the end of the day it was all about the Benjamins, he has likely 2 more good years left barring injury and needs to prepare for life after football. he can likely have a better chance of getting into broadcasting after football in NY as well.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2016, 09:24:58 am

Do we know that GB even offered?  They don't sign a lot of FAs.

Word is they are just waiting for the Bears to cut Bennett...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Beerfan21 on March 14, 2016, 10:26:15 am
GB wanted a massive discount for Forte to come there. Glad we do not face Forte twice next year. GB missed out on a piece.

Bears now have FOUR quality new starters - and we already beat GB once last year. More to come.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2016, 10:40:51 am

Forte got a pretty good deal:

Matt Forte signed a 3 year, $12,000,000 contract with the New York Jets, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $9,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,000,000. In 2016, Forte will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, a signing bonus of $3,000,000 and a roster bonus of $1,000,000. Forte has a cap hit of $3,000,000 while his dead money value is $9,000,000.

CONTRACT:3 yr(s) / $12,000,000   SIGNING BONUS$3,000,000   AVERAGE SALARY$4,000,000   GUARANTEED:$9,000,000   FREE AGENT:2019 / UFA
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 14, 2016, 10:41:38 pm
Report: Starks to Meet with Patriots

Thursday, March 10

Per ESPN's Adam Caplan, Starks will be meeting with the New England Patriots at some point on Thursday.

Starks will be an interesting test case for running backs this offseason. He turned 30 in February, which is often an age when players at his position start to see their skills decline because of all the abuse they took in their 20s.

However, the Packers never relied on Starks as their primary running back. He has only started nine games since 2010, but his production has been very good with 2,361 yards and nine touchdowns on 555 carries.

In addition to his limited workload as a runner, Pro Football Focus noted late last season Starks was one of the NFL's most prolific pass-catchers on screen passes:

The Patriots love running backs with versatility, as they use screen passes in situations to replace the running game. James White and Dion Lewis each had more than 35 catches for New England in 2015.

Starks' ability as a runner and receiver certainly makes him a strong fit for the Patriots, if the two sides can come to an agreement. New England is often unpredictable with everything, but this marriage would seem to be perfect given how the offense is run with quarterback Tom Brady.


I don't like the idea of Starks in NE.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 14, 2016, 11:11:46 pm
Nick Perry couldnít see himself anywhere else ó Joseph Bonham of Total Packers

Nick Perry is back in town for another year, and he has said he couldnít see himself anywhere else but Green Bay. Perry now has one year to prove heís worth a multi-year deal.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2016, 12:02:05 am

Odd are that he'll change his tune next year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 15, 2016, 08:36:31 pm
Maybe.  I don'tfeel strongly.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-draft/article-1/Prospect-Primer-LB-Joe-Schobert-Wisconsin/56c146f9-7055-4437-9849-62c2422efa76?campaign=email_160311

Like this Badger.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 15, 2016, 09:33:04 pm
Well, Vic, hereís the data supporting Ted Thompsonís philosophy on free agency: According to ESPN stats and information, ďthe Dolphins, Colts, Buccaneers and Jaguars have spent the most guaranteed money in free agency under the new CBA (since 2011), and only the Colts have a winning record in that time. The four teams that have spent the least Ė the Steelers, Packers, Bengals and Cowboys Ė all are at .500 or better in that stretch. Of the four, the Packers have the highest winning percentage (.706) in that span, despite ranking 31st in guaranteed money for free agents.Ē Seals the deal for me.

The wolves only see the Broncos and their Super Bowl title. They use it as proof why the Packers should spend big in free agency. The wolves donít use the Dolphins, Colts, Bucs and Jaguars as proof why the Packers should continue taking a conservative approach to free agency. The misses far outnumber the hits. Itís a crap shoot, and the franchiseís future is being wagered. Thatís not for me.

Robert from Prather, CA

Vic, Danny Trevathan said if the Packers wouldíve given him a call, he would have most likely signed the contract. Why didnít Mike or Ted swipe him out of free agency? Personally, I think Trevathan wouldíve been a great fit for the defense.

Obviously, the Packers have another plan for addressing their need at inside linebacker. I canít help but wonder what Bears fans think of that comment by Trevathan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 15, 2016, 09:41:07 pm
Jack from Issaquah, WA

Do you believe the Packers are in a win-now situation? If so, why donít they sign a needed free agent thatís on the market?

Because they want to win every year, not just this year.

Dominick from Berwyn, IL

Vic, Iím fine with the Packers not signing free agents, but might this be the year we see Ted Thompson be more aggressive in the draft and move up to take Reggie Ragland?

He might, but I donít think he has to move up to get a player he needs. As Iíve written, the big guys are going to push some big names down. Be patient. I think this could be a very good draft for the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 15, 2016, 10:39:58 pm
Matt from Waukesha, WI

Vic, if the Packers (wouldíve signed) Forte, would the signing count against the compensatory pick calculation next year?

Yes.

Jordan from Nevada, IA

Iím surprised both Neal and Perry made it to free agency. Are you?

No, because you canít sign everybody. Itís about price point. You have to be willing to allow players to reach the price youíre willing to pay for them. Managing the cap is a disciplined science. You donít fly by the seat of your pants. You stick to your strategy. Itís not over. Only one day has passed. Relax!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 15, 2016, 10:45:08 pm
Of the 14 remaining free agents, a dozen are unrestricted, one is restricted and one is exclusive rights. Hereís the breakdown:

Unrestricted free agents

OL Don Barclay

LS Brett Goode

CB Casey Hayward

FB John Kuhn

WR James Jones

LB Mike Neal

LB Nick Perry

TE Andrew Quarless

DT B.J. Raji

S Sean Richardson

RB James Starks

QB Scott Tolzien

 

Restricted free agents

LB Andy Mulumba

Note: To retain right-of-first-refusal and/or compensation on restricted free agents, one of three possible tender offers must be extended to the player by his original team by 3 p.m. CT Wednesday.

 

Exclusive rights

TE Justin Perillo

Note: To retain exclusive negotiating rights with these players, a minimum salary tender must be extended by 3 p.m. CT Wednesday.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on March 16, 2016, 07:13:02 am
Raji retired.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on March 16, 2016, 08:00:42 am
I thought I saw Casey Hayward signed with the bolts?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on March 16, 2016, 08:56:19 am
Hayward and Tolzien both signed elsewhere...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2016, 06:56:40 am
Raji retired?? Geez, the guy wasn't even that old was he? Give a guy millions, spend what...six seasons with the team and bam, retire. Nice job if you can land it...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2016, 09:49:25 am

I thought he said it was just temporary - like 1 year.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 18, 2016, 11:08:42 pm
He had one really good year as a rookie NT.  The rest of his career was continued injuries and declining performance.  Liked him but he was star-crossed.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 18, 2016, 11:30:49 pm
Scott from Lincoln City, OR

Vic, were you aware thereís a racehorse named Ask Vic?

Let me know when it wins something.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2016, 09:11:12 pm
Packing Company

Jared Cook is on the Packersí radar and visited with the team this week. According to ESPNís Rob Demovsky, the Packers inquired about Cook at last yearís trade deadline but couldnít agree on a deal. Thereís clearly still interest in bringing him to Green Bay.

Jared Cook may have something to offer Packers ó Tom Silverstein of JSOnline.com

Interesting read by Tom Silverstein, who believes Jared Cookís struggles could be put a lot down to the quarterbacks he has played with. With Aaron Rodgers throwing him the football, maybe it would pan out better. Donít count out the Bears though if there is a race for Cookís signature.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2016, 09:20:46 pm
Name: Joel Stave

Position: QB

Ht.-Wt.: 6-5, 236

School: Wisconsin

Key stat: Won a school-record 31 games as a starting QB and had his best numbers in 2013, when he completed 62 percent of his throws, with 22 TD passes and 13 interceptions. Over his last two seasons, though, had just 20 TDs against 21 INTs.

Notable: Went to the Scouting Combine as an extra thrower for drills and got a chance to display his arm strength as well as a larger frame, having added roughly 15 pounds since wrapping up his career with the Badgers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 21, 2016, 10:48:46 pm
KOENIG SENDS WISCONSIN TO THE #SWEET16!!!!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 21, 2016, 10:51:46 pm
Ladarius Gunter an under-the-radar player to watch ó Jacob Westendorf of Todayís Pigskin

The Packers have an embarrassment of riches at cornerback, and undrafted Ladarius Gunter is a player to watch closely. His lack of speed pushed him out of the draft, but he has the look of another diamond in the rough found by Ted Thompson. As Jacob Westendorf notes in this piece, Gunter can play on the boundary which makes Green Bay one of the most equipped teams in dime packages.

Main reason that Casey Hayward left.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on March 22, 2016, 09:21:21 am

It wasn't Sam Shields, Quinten Rollins or Damarious Randall...it was Gunter.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on March 22, 2016, 10:07:04 am
Heh
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 22, 2016, 10:03:13 pm
Yeah, of course.  How many back-up CBs do you need? 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 22, 2016, 10:18:35 pm
Andrew from Sacramento, CA

Which team do you think has been the best in drafting recently, in terms of getting the most out of its rookies and its one-year and two-year players?

Given where theyíve been picking in the draft, nobody has done it better than the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 22, 2016, 10:21:30 pm

Smooth recovery so far for Packers' Aaron Rodgers after knee surgery


5:36 PM ET
Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
BOCA RATON, Fla. -- Aaron Rodgers remains on track to work out with minimal or no limitations when the Green Bay Packers quarterback returns for the start of the offseason program next month.

According to a source at the NFL annual meetings, Rodgersí recovery from his offseason knee surgery has gone off without any setbacks. The source said Rodgers has been ďrunning around.Ē

ďI donít see any reason why he wonít be ready,Ē the source said.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 22, 2016, 10:30:00 pm
ďIím feeling good now and enjoying it,Ē Thompson said. ďYou wish these kind of conversations and questions would go away because it makes you feel old. Iím feeling good and we have a good crew. I like where we are.Ē

In addition to promoting Wolf, Thompson moved former college scouting director Brian Gutekunst into Wolfís old job, director of player personnel. Thompson also has Alonzo Highsmith, the senior personnel executive, high in his department. Itís starting to look like the late 2000s, when Thompson had John Schneider, John Dorsey and Reggie McKenzie in similar roles before all three eventually got hired elsewhere as general managers.

Thompson did not specify exactly how -- or if -- the job descriptions for Wolf and Gutekunst will change.

ďThereís been times when youíre a little bit top heavy in your personnel department and thereís times when it lessens a little bit,Ē Thompson said. ďAnd like Iíve said, weíve been using these two guys in an advanced role for some time and now itís time we kind of acknowledged it.Ē

As for Thompsonís eventual replacement, Murphy could go in a number of directions, whether itís Wolf, current vice president of football administration Russ Ball or perhaps one of Thompsonís protťgťs (with Schneider perhaps at the top of that list).

ďThatís kind of personal between Ted and I,Ē Murphy reiterated at this weekís meetings. ďBut we have a plan. I think weíre all proud of the success weíve had on a consistent basis. Yes, weíre disappointed we havenít won more Super Bowls, but itís hard to win in the NFL. I have great confidence in Ted and Mike and the working relationship that they have.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2016, 10:02:48 pm
2015 in photos: LB Julius Peppers

Posted Mar 16, 2016

LB Julius Peppers, in his fourteenth season, made 42 tackles, 10.5 sacks and forced two fumbles. Photos by Shawn Hubbard, Jim Biever, and Matt Becker, Packers.com
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2016, 10:10:19 pm
Seth from Monticello, MN

Vic, who do you see being the Packersí first-round draft pick come April?

I think weíre narrowing in on candidates. I love that about this column at this time of the year. Weíve talked about linebackers Reggie Ragland, Darron Lee, Beniquez Brown and Suía Cravens, defensive lineman Andrew Billings, tackle Jason Spriggs, tight ends Nick Vannett and Hunter Henry, and more. I think weíre getting there.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2016, 10:11:55 pm
Brad from Mounds View, MN

Vic, do you see the Packers possibly packaging draft picks to move up in the draft to get an impact player in the first round, or do they feel they can get what they need later where theyíre positioned to pick?

I donít know what their thoughts are on that subject, but the depth in linebackers and big guys leads me to believe the Packers can stay where they are and get exactly what they need and want.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2016, 10:58:55 pm
AR's experience with UFO sightings in NYC.  Begins at about 14;40 of the Pod.

http://nerdist.com/you-made-it-weird-310-aaron-rodgers/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on March 24, 2016, 07:12:10 am
Exactly what they 'need and want' will be mostly gone by the time they draft....top impact players go first....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on March 28, 2016, 10:55:32 pm
TT has found them in all rounds for ten years.  I'm not worried.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 03, 2016, 04:09:38 pm
Green Bay Packers News: Eliot Wolf looks in line for the general manager job

from Lombardi Ave
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 03, 2016, 08:46:18 pm
Clay from Sturgis, SD

Is tight end in round one out of the question?

Not for a BAP team, but Iíve considered the possibility the Jared Cook signing is an indication a tight end doesnít fit where the Packers are picking in round one. Free agency and the draft have to massage each other.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 03, 2016, 09:07:33 pm
Eric from St. Louis, MO

We have six picks in the top 137. With one need addressed in free agency, what are the chances the rest of the current needs can be addressed with those picks?

I see the Packers as having two immediate needs remaining: the need for an inside linebacker and the need for a defensive lineman. I think this draft is deep enough at each position to expect the Packers to be able to address each position early in the draft, and maybe more than once each. Itís all about where players fall in the order, and there are several defensive linemen ranked in the early rounds. All other needs donít appear to be immediate, although injuries can change that perception very quickly. Itís a good year for offensive tackles, so I would expect it to be a position the team might address, and Iíd like to see the Packers add to their stable of young wide receivers. Most of all, pick the best available player. If the Packers do that, and they will, theyíll have done it the right way. This draftís strength is built for the Packersí needs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 03, 2016, 09:15:13 pm
Vic, we often discuss on this page the four premier positions in football: quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher and cover corner. In your opinion, which is more important, cover corner or left tackle?

Left tackle. You have to be good at that position. If you have to give your LT help, you make it easier for defenses to scheme their coverage, and you often add another defender to the rush scheme. If youíre not solid at LT and you donít give him help, ďThe ManĒ goes down, and ďThe ManĒ must not go down and ďThe ManĒ must not go down hard.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 03, 2016, 09:26:01 pm
David from Santee, CA

Vic, I have not heard much from the Packers coaching staff as to what happened to the team in the last 10 games with the offense hitting the skids. We know the results of the problem, receivers not getting separation, pressure on Rodgers, giving up big plays, but not the cause. Has to be more than poor execution. Yes, two offensive position coaches are gone, but I feel itís higher up.

So you want to blow it up and fire everybody? A month before the draft? What bothers me is even when the coach crafts a message just for you, itís not good enough. Hereís something else that bothers me: Despite all of what you mentioned, the Packers were one play away from the NFC title game. When is it ever good enough? If the answer is when they win the Super Bowl, then youíve got a lifetime of disappointment ahead of you.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 04, 2016, 05:22:15 am
Well that was telling it like it is.  You can't win the Super Bowl every year and the ball bounce is sometimes the difference.  The Packer fans have become delusional that their success is now their given right, certainly they have short memories not remembering the 70's to early 90's
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 06, 2016, 09:06:37 pm
Right on, Grizz.  Many Packer fans are spoiled and Vic has the guts to tell them so.  I really don't understand the reasoning of many Packer fans.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 12, 2016, 07:33:56 pm
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/insidersblog/2016/04/12/german-receiver-visits-packers/82953630/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 18, 2016, 10:30:35 pm
Related: Complete Packers draft coverage

A look at the numbers: 2012 draft breakdown

It is hard to find any area of the draft where Thompson hasnít excelled. Extensive data suggests he has been the NFLís best general manager when it comes to maximizing the draftís power to build championship-contending rosters. His draft success is vital, given Thompsonís disdain for free agency.

Thompsonís 2012 class is a rare exception.

With rookie contracts lasting four seasons, an NFL draft class can be best evaluated four years after their careers start. On the surface, itís easy to consider the Packers' 2012 draft class as disappointing. But it wasnít disastrous, and thatís better than what some NFL teams can say about their 2012 draft.


Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Perry looks on during
Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Perry looks on during an August 2015 training camp practice at Ray Nitschke Field. Perry was the Packers' first-round draft pick in 2012. (Photo: File/USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin)

While Thompson certainly didnít accomplish his goal, a USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin study revealed the Packers could have fared much, much worse. The study analyzed all 32 teams based on seven key categories from the 2012 draft: games started, games played, two-year starters, four-year players, fourth-season snaps, Pro Bowl players and All-Pros (as voted by the Associated Press).

It revealed 2012 as the most polarized draft the league has seen since at least 2004, if not longer.

No, the Packers were not immune to the challenges. Their 2012 class ranks among the leagueís bottom half of in all seven categories. If not for Mike Daniels, a fourth-round defensive end who has developed into a potential Pro Bowl talent, the class would be futile.

Still, there is a significant gap between the Packers and the 2012 draftís bottom dwellers. How severe? For four teams, the 2012 draft was a failure of historic proportions.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on April 21, 2016, 06:37:42 am
Bears down to two members of 2012 draft class after cutting Isaiah Frey

Posted by Josh Alper on August 26, 2014, 3:47 PM EDT


Bears General Manager Phil Emery had a big hit with wide receiver Alshon Jeffery in the second round of the 2012 draft, which is a good thing because the Bears donít have much else to show from that draft class.

First-round pick Shea McClellin will try to change that with a move to linebacker this season, but heís the only player other than Jeffery left on the team after they cut cornerback Isaiah Frey on Tuesday. Frey played a lot as a slot corner last season, but the addition of Kyle Fuller in the first round this year and the return to health of other veteran corners made Frey expendable this summer.

Frey, a sixth-round pick, joins third-round safety Brandon Hardin, fourth-round tight end Evan Rodriguez and seventh-round defensive back Greg McCoy as former members of the Bears.



2012 Chicago Bears draft

1   19    Shea McClellin  Defensive end      Boise State 
2   45    Alshon Jeffery *  Wide receiver    South Carolina From St. Louis Rams
3   79    Brandon Hardin  Safety                Oregon State 
5   111   Evan Rodriguez  Fullback/Tight end   Temple 
6   184   Isaiah Frey  Cornerback              Nevada 
7   220   Greg McCoy  Cornerback/Kick returner   TCU


Outside Jeffery, this draft was terrible...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 21, 2016, 03:11:05 pm
Rob Demovsky of ESPN

Ted Thompsonís pre-draft presser is more or less the same every year, as he expresses his desire to select the best player available. But he did admit there can be a little bit of wiggle room in that philosophy. In usual Ted style, he was careful with his words and didnít give much away.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on April 21, 2016, 03:56:23 pm
just a little bit of wiggle room...no sh*t
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 21, 2016, 04:01:04 pm


 by Brennen Rupp 7hours ago  Follow @brennen_james

When nose tackle, B.J. Raji walked away from the game, and reportedly a Ďniceí offer from the Green Bay Packers, it left a hole in the middle of the Packers defense. Luckily for the Packers this yearís draft class is loaded with potential replacements.



A prospect that could be the perfect replacement for Raji is Austin Johnson. The defensive tackle out of Penn State checks in at number six in the ďProspecting for future PackersĒ countdown.





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Johnson is the prototypical 3-4 nose tackle. The former Nittany Lion checks in at 6í4″ and 325 pounds. During his final year at Penn State, Johnson recorded 15 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks.

Johnson is nimble for a big man. Heís got quick feet and good balance. He never gives up on a play and battles through double teams. He has plus instincts and sniffs out screens.

Johnson is a space eater in the middle. He can anchor the line and controls his gap. He can struggle if he doesnít win off the snap, but that can be fixed with coaching
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 23, 2016, 11:00:31 pm
James from Washington, DC

Vic, how do you quantify football instinct?

Without it, the measurables are meaningless.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 23, 2016, 11:12:31 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-draft/article-1/Prospect-Primer-TE-Jerell-Adams-South-Carolina/ae63c051-8f60-450f-99a9-cd824c7fbe17
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 27, 2016, 09:25:53 am
Tyler from Fond du Lac, WI

The Rams have picked a quarterback No. 1 overall before. It didnít work then. Why do they think it will now?

Playing without ďThe ManĒ isnít an option. You do whatever you can do to get ďThe ManĒ because heís the key to a franchiseís potential for success. Itís also important to remember it was a different regime that drafted Sam Bradford. The name of the team is the same, but everything else is different. You are who your people are. These arenít those Rams. If the quarterback the Rams draft becomes a star, winning will last for 10-plus years and the turning point in the franchise will be traced back to tomorrow.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 27, 2016, 09:31:40 am
Justin from Titonka, IA

Who will be the top five picks in this yearís draft?

I canít remember a year when we didnít know the answer to that question as much as we donít know the answer to that question this year.




Maximillian from Sydney, Australia

Vic, I know thereís more of a chance of a UFO catching on fire and crashing into your house on the same night you win the Powerball than correctly guessing who Ted Thompson may pick at No. 27 in the draft, however, if you had to pick a name, who do you feel may be selected at No. 27?

I think Tony gave us three top candidates yesterday: Billings, Ragland and Hunter. Weíve been honing in on those three over the last three months. Jason Spriggs is another name I think is worth consideration.

Chris from Sun Prairie, WI

Vic, how long has the supplemental draft been around and who is the most prolific player to ever come out of it?

Bernie Kosar is the player who defines the supplemental draft for me.

Dave from Germantown, TN

Vic, I just read the Packersí draft history under Ted Thompson. In his early years, he turned seven or eight picks into 10 or 11. I donít think he has been able to do that the last couple of years. Did everyone catch onto what he has been doing? Do you think thereís a chance Ted makes a couple of deals and walks away with 12 or more picks this year?

In his early years, he had a roster to rebuild and he needed extra picks to do it. Now, he has a strong roster that doesnít require numbers, only a few additions. I think using his extra picks to trade up and target those few additions would make sense.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 27, 2016, 09:37:53 am
Brandon from Houston, TX

Why do I feel as if the Packers will draft an offensive lineman in the first round?

Youíre not the only one. This draft is loaded with top tackles and they fit deep into the first round.

Dale from Kettering, OH

When did tall become more important on the lines than low? We know the passing emphasis is the reason, but can you pinpoint a time or player?

It began with the rules changes of 1978. When linemen were allowed to use their hands to block, the game got higher. Each subsequent rule change has moved the game away from hips and shoulders and toward hands and feet. Coaches urge their players to stay off the ground.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 27, 2016, 09:44:59 am
Ryan from Saint Anthony, MN

Love the column, Vic! I recently discovered several articles dating back to September of last year broaching the Packersí interest in Mississippi State ILB Beniquez Brown. At your suggestion, I found Tony Paulineís write-up on Brown. He describes Brown as an underrated run-defending linebacker with good pass-coverage discipline and the potential to provide some contribution early in his career. Perhaps some good value in the middle rounds for a team in need of a versatile ILB?

After talking to Tony about Brown, I have a higher opinion of Brown than as a middle-rounds prospect.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 28, 2016, 11:00:27 pm
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Draft Analysis:

"Clark got more active as his career went along at UCLA, and that allowed Myles Jack to make plays. Clark is an inside force against the pass. I like this pick for Green Bay because B.J. Raji is no longer there. We were thinking maybe inside linebacker here, but this pick works." -- Charles Davis
 



6'3"
Height


32 1/8"
Arm Length


314LBS.
Weight


10 1/2"
Hands



Overview

Kenny Clark, Sr., went to prison in 2005, leaving 9-year-old Kenny, Jr. to mature faster than most of the boys his age. With the help of his mother and others, Clark maintained a good relationship with this father and turned the adversity into a positive, working hard to become an excellent high school player. He started four games as a freshman in 2013 (31 tackles, four for loss, one sack), then stayed a fixture in the lineup the following year. The 2014 second-team All-Pac-12 selection (58 tackles, 5.5 for loss) graduated to all-conference first team as a junior, using his strength and agility to finish second on the Bruins in tackles (75), tackles for loss (11) and sacks (six) despite lining up in the interior. Clark also showed a knack for batting down passes, breaking up five on the year.


Pro Day Results
3-cone: 7.73 seconds


Analysis

Strengths Former high school wrestler who can generate torque through upper body strength and leverage with power in his hips. Will hammer finesse guards and centers with initial punch and overtake the neutral zone. Quick to diagnose run direction and will race to set the edge against blocker. Low center of gravity and powerful core make him a challenging block to seal for linemen. Cranks up a nasty bull ≠rush to collapse pocket when single blocked. Plays with plus instincts and football IQ. Has feel for trap blocks and double teams and is quick to read and react to screens. Can work his way through double teams and squeeze the gap.

Weaknesses Short and missing arm length to be better tackle finisher. Allowed unusual amount of broken tackles (4) for an interior lineman. Not a quick twitch athlete. Needs to do a better job of bringing feet and hips through contact. Gets too anxious pursuing down line and can lose backside contain. Despite strength, lack of size will be challenging in some matchups. Straight line bull≠ rusher with average lateral quickness for twists.

Draft Projection Round 2

Sources Tell Us "What bothers me about Clark is that he was so much better against weaker competition than he was against better talent. I like him, but not like everyone is hyping him up." --≠ AFC Pac-12 scout

NFL Comparison David Parry

Bottom Line Has the strength and talent to be a plug and play 4-≠3 nose, but lack of size and concerns about his value on third downs could push his draft value into the second day. Clark's wrestling background gives him a huge leg up at the point of attack and he won't be 21 until October which means he's still filling out his frame. Would benefit from a year of rotational work as he continues to physically mature.

Related Links - Brandt: Official UCLA pro day results
- Brooks: Clark shows intriguing potential.


Obviously a new NT,
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 28, 2016, 11:10:38 pm

With #27 pick, Packers select UCLAís Kenny Clark in first round of NFL Draft

Posted 10:11 pm, April 28, 2016, by AP Wire Service, Updated at 10:23pm, April 28, 20

Kenny Clark   

CHICAGO ó With the #27 pick in the first round of the 2016 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers selected UCLAís Kenny Clark, a defensive tackle.

Clark played three years at UCLA, starting all 13 games in 2015 and making 29 consecutive starts overall. A team captain, Clark had 75 tackles and six sacks for the Bruins last season.

The first three hours of the draft shook out well for Green Bay, with plenty of front seven options still available late in the first round.

There is a huge void in the middle of the defense with tackle B.J. Raji choosing to take a year off. The 6-foot-4, 310-pound Clark will help plug that hole.

CLICK HERE for Kenny Clarkís Draft profile.

CLICK HERE for Kenny Clarkís UCLA bio.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on April 29, 2016, 04:17:59 am

There is a huge void in the middle of the defense with tackle B.J. Raji choosing to take a year off. The 6-foot-4, 310-pound Clark will help plug that hole.

A huge void?  You mean the Pack drafted for need?  But Ted Thompson only drafts BPA.

BPA is a myth.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 01:04:11 pm
It is not a sin to draft a player of need if he is in the group of payers of equal value.  You are a knowledgable poster, dallas, but can't seem to grasp that simple point:  It is desirable to draft a player of need IF HE IS IN A GROUP OF EQUIVALENT RATED LAYERS.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 01:16:20 pm
According to PFT's second round prediction GB does not have a second round choice.  Something is screwed up.  He probably one of the two choices he listed is for NE is actually for GB.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 01:25:43 pm
Andy from Tomahawk, WI

I feel like Ted Thompson couldíve closed his eyes and thrown a dart at the top of his board for the Packersí first pick. He must have felt like a kid in a candy store with all the talent that fell to 27.

Theyíre nearly all still there. Remember our winter obsession for Hunter Henry? Heís still there. Reggie Ragland, Andrew Billings, Suía Cravens, Jason Spriggs, AíShawn Robinson, Kamalei Correa, Emmanuel Ogbah and on and on. Most of the names this column has spent the past three months discussing are still on the board. This is an amazing draft. We talked about this a few days ago, about the great difference of opinion between draftniks and their mock drafts. What it means is today could be even more exciting than yesterday. Today is the day of OUR draft. Itís the day OUR players come off the board. Amazing!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 01:35:57 pm
Aaron from Seattle, WA

Another quality jar on the shelf with the addition of Kenny Clark, and I couldnít be more excited to see this young man develop. However, my BAP alarm started going bonkers when I saw a top-five pick like Myles Jack fall to the Packers at pick 27, which made it all the more surprising when the Packers passed on him. Injury or not, what team doesnít want Myles Jack?

First of all, Clark isnít a jar on the shelf. He should provide an immediate impact for the Packers. As for Jack, microfracture surgery is a daunting challenge. Iíve covered several players whoíve undergone the microfracture procedure and nearly all of them experienced a downward turn in their career. I feel very badly for that young man. Last night shouldíve been the best night of his young life.

Trevor from Spring Grove, IL

Vic, I am a little confused by the pick. I know a defensive lineman was needed, but donít you think Ragland was higher on the board? I trust Ted, though. Hopefully, Ragland is available when the Packers pick in round two.

I expected to hear Raglandís name called, but it didnít shock me when I heard Kenny Clarkís. The Packers trust their board, not our board. We love names we know, and we become enamored by a few of them. The Packersí job is to know all of the names.

Mark from Bristol, UK

Never try to guess the draft. Almost every player we had hoped to choose was available to us and we select someone else. Amazing! We may still get one of those ďfirst roundersĒ in round two. Anything is possible.

The guessing game is what makes the draft fun. Never stop playing the guessing game. Just donít make the mistake of thinking your board is their board.

Craig from Suffern, NY

One big guy taken on day one. How many more should they grab?

Last night was about getting the big guys. They fell early and often and itís going to continue tonight. I fully expect the Packers to tap into the crop of offensive linemen. This is a big-guy draft, the Packers already have one and I expect them to finish with a couple of big guys on each side of the ball.

Matt from Madison, WI

Foolishly, each draft cycle I become enamored with a few prospects. Each year, however, I seem to be disappointed. Last night seemed to be particularly gut-wrenching. Hereís hoping Ted Thompson serves up another plate of crow to Packer nation.

Youíre taking this way too personally.

Kimm from Rice Lake, WI

Considering the fact this draft is supposed to be loaded at the DT position, help me understand why the Packers would pass up a thumper like Reggie Ragland. This could have been our best chance to get Clay back outside where he belongs.

You canít pick everybody. You make one pick at a time and the Packers picked the player they believe was the best available to them. Again, your board isnít their board. Itís ridiculous to think the Packers donít have a plan for addressing inside linebacker. I think youíll be satisfied with their plan, but you have to be patient and let it happen.

Jake from Racine, WI

I like the first pick, but do you think Thompson might trade up and grab Ragland or Jack?

He has the ammunition to do it, but does he have to do it? Weíre obsessing on Ragland. As for Jack, he falls into the same category as Jaylon Smith. Injuries are real. An injured player isnít the same player the team saw on tape.




Wayne from West Bend, WI

Clark? Really? Tell me honestly. Wouldnít you have selected Robert Nkemdiche instead of Clark, if you had the chance to pull the trigger and both players were still on the board? Itís not even close, is it?

According to whose board? Yours? Mel Kiperís? Melís board was a mess last night. Where was William Jackson III and Artie Burns? Mike Mayock called it the worst wide receiver class ever, but three of them were drafted consecutively and four were drafted overall. Was this the greatest example of BAP picking, with teams sticking to their boards in the face of a great discrepancy of opinion, or was this needs picking? Iím not sure what the answer is, but Iím sure of this: Opinions didnít match. Jalen Ramsey was thought by many, including himself, to be the best player in the draft, but Jon Gruden bashed him and produced video to prove his point, and then William Jackson, a name of a much lesser profile, was fawned over by Gruden and his ESPN crew. DeForest Buckner and Shaq Lawson appeared in video of Jack Conklin and Ronnie Stanley stoning their opponents. This might be the craziest draft Iíve ever seen.

Jack from Montezuma, IA

Congratulations on your prediction concerning three QBs being drafted in the first round, however, I feel your prediction that Packers fans will be deliriously happy because the Packers will get their man and he will be the fansí man was wrong. I know Iím not happy. Three Alabama studs were bypassed for another UCLA player.

You draft the player, not the school.

Max from Sydney, Australia

Kenny who? Ted Thompson never ceases to amaze me! I have learned to trust his judgment.

Damarious who? I wrote a column last week that included this headline: Are we missing a name we should consider? The answer is yes, and the name is Kenny Clark.

Deniz from Munich, Germany

What position is more important against the run, nose tackle or inside linebacker?

Theyíre both equally important, but it begins with the nose tackle. If heís getting blocked, you have no chance of stopping the run.

Ben from Albuquerque, NM

So whatís the flavor of your inbox today?

Thereís an element of satisfaction because the Packers addressed a position of need, but thereís a lot of head-scratching because Clark wasnít on the fansí radar.

Pedro from Bage, Brazil

Vic, Noah Spence is still there. Surprised?

Yes, I am. Spence is a premier pass rusher, and pass rushers are nearly always over-drafted. Spenceís past could be hurting him.

Zach from San Diego, CA

Iím sorry, but even if this kid turns out great itís a waste of a first-round pick. He would have been there way into the second round. We ignored several higher-ranked defensive linemen on the board, and linebackers, for that matter. Am I missing something? Clark is described as an undersized rotational player with tackling concerns. Look who was still on the board.

Great isnít good enough? I donít get that. Tony Pauline gave Clark a late-one, early-two grade and referred to him as a ďthree-down defender.Ē Clark wonít turn 21 until October of next season. Clearly, his best football is ahead of him, and I think we have to think about that. This is not a worn-out, topped-out guy. I love his wrestling background because in a two-gapping scheme defensive linemen are by and large wrestlers. I didnít know a lot about him heading into last night, just as I didnít know much about Damarious Randall heading into last yearís draft, but I like what Iím reading and hearing about Clark, just as I liked what I read and heard about Randall when I began to research his background. I could ask you to give Clark a chance, but that would be unnecessary because we have no other option. Heís the pick!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 10:32:19 pm
Name: Kyler Fackrell

Position: OLB

Ht.-Wt.: 6-5, 245

School: Utah State

Key stat: Started 41 career games over basically three seasons, losing the 2014 campaign to a season-ending knee injury in the first game.

Notable: Led the nation in fumble recoveries last season with five, and returned an interception 99 yards for a TD in 2013. Had 12 sacks among 36 total tackles for loss in career.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 10:44:34 pm

GREEN BAY Ė The Packers made sure they got another big guy.

Trading up nine spots in the second round of the NFL Draft on Friday night, Green Bay grabbed Indiana offensive tackle Jason Spriggs with the No. 48 overall pick.

The Packers surrendered their original second-round pick (No. 57), plus a fourth-rounder (No. 125) and a seventh-rounder (No. 248) to Indianapolis to make the move. The pick gives the Packers two big guys in the first two rounds following the selection of UCLA defensive lineman Kenny Clark in the first round on Thursday night...


the last "plug and-play"  LT in the draft.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 29, 2016, 10:51:53 pm
Anyone hit any of their predictions for the draft picks in the first 3 rounds
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 30, 2016, 07:35:16 pm
I really like the GB draft  Not much candy
and cake but heavy on the meat and potatoes 

Another miserable production by NFLN.   Who in hell pays them to put all that Cowboy crap on?.

Looks like the Bears ill definitely be a "draft and develop team", too..
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on April 30, 2016, 07:42:34 pm
Now, the rush to sign UDFAs.  I see the Packers traded away their #7 choice so they get a running start at love-making.     :-)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on April 30, 2016, 07:50:33 pm
Except most guys are not interested in **** cows...

 ;D
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on April 30, 2016, 08:54:17 pm
The UW saying goes...In Wisconsin we put our cows out to pasture. In Illinois they send them to school.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 02, 2016, 06:11:20 pm
A good share of the Packers roster is UFAs.  You must find those UFAS in order to appear 10 consecutive  times in SB playoff games.. Peke.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2016, 11:47:48 am

Or find a couple HOF QBs...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2016, 11:49:08 am

I am glad we kept Lamarr Houston:

Aaron Rodgers 'He's too arrogant'

CHICAGO -- Chicago Bears linebacker Lamarr Houston has not softened his stance on Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

ďHeís a little arrogant for me. Heís a little too arrogant,Ē Houston grinned during an appearance on ESPNís SportsNation on Monday.

ďHeís a cheesehead. Iím a Bear. Heís a cheesehead. But I have a lot of respect for his game, I will say that. Heís a great quarterback. As a player, I have a lot of respect for him ... but the whole championship belt thing kind of gets on my nerves.Ē

A six-year NFL veteran, Houston expressed discontent toward Rodgers last November following the Bears' upset of Green Bay at Lambeau Field on Thanksgiving night.

Houston played a large role in the victory, recording nine tackles, a sack and a fumble recovery as Chicagoís defense held Rodgers to a 62.4 quarterback rating. The passer rating was the lowest of Rodgersí regular-season career against the Bears. It also was also a season low for Rodgers to that point, the seventh lowest of his career in the regular season, and his lowest quarterback rating ever at Lambeau Field since he became a starter in 2008.

ďI didnít really look at him after [the sack], because I don't give two flying [expletive] about him,Ē Houston said after the game. ďI really donít like that guy.Ē

The Bears next play the Packers in Week 7 on Thursday night at Lambeau Field.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on May 03, 2016, 12:54:40 pm
Love it!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: BearHit on May 03, 2016, 01:37:37 pm
Saw something similar recently...

Mike Nolan, who was the team's coach at the time, told NFL Network that (among other things) the team considered Smith "safe" while it felt Rodgers was "very cocky, very confident, arrogant"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25567473/ex-49ers-coach-reveals-ridiculous-reasoning-for-smith-over-rodgers-pick

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: method on May 03, 2016, 01:41:47 pm
a Heisman winning QB was cocky... i am shocked by this news.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 03, 2016, 05:21:42 pm
GB Packers players and fans love AR and he has two MVP awards.  What else really matters?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 03, 2016, 05:28:15 pm
is spicing up the offseason with a little trash talk aimed at Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Asked about Rodgers on ESPN today, Houston acknowledged heís a good player but said he doesnít like him as a person and especially doesnít like his attitude, exemplified by his trademark celebration of pretending to put a championship belt around his waist.

ďHeís a little arrogant for me. Heís a little too arrogant,Ē Houston said. ďHeís a cheesehead. Iím a Bear. Heís a cheesehead. But I have a lot of respect for his game, I will say that. Heís a great quarterback. As a player, I have a lot of respect for him but the whole championship belt thing kind of gets on my nerves.Ē

Houston might not be the best one to talk about the way other players celebrate, considering that he once suffered a season-ending knee injury while celebrating a sack late in the fourth quarter of a blowout loss. But Houston has taken shots at Rodgers before, most notably after the Bears beat the Packers on Thanksgiving, when Houston sacked Rodgers during the game and said afterward, ďI really donít like that guy.Ē

Rodgers may have just a little more motivation to unleash the championship belt when the Bears meet the Packers next, on October

Lamarr who?  Pure envy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on May 04, 2016, 01:16:22 am
Yeah, I think that's changing pretty quickly...we're not going to see those Cheesehead wins like usually anymore. Those days are past....Rodgers will be looking out his earhole a lot more frequently now with the likes of Trevathan and Freeman nailing him....and others, many others....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 04, 2016, 05:46:13 am
Olivia Mum
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 05, 2016, 06:17:12 pm
Yeah, I think that's changing pretty quickly...we're not going to see those Cheesehead wins like usually anymore. Those days are past....Rodgers will be looking out his earhole a lot more frequently now with the likes of Trevathan and Freeman nailing him....and others, many others....

Maybe, but you will have to prove it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 05, 2016, 06:45:50 pm
Rob Demovsky of ESPN

For what itís worth, the Packers are favored to win the NFC North, not the defending champions. Either way, itís going to be a tough battle with the Minnesota Vikings for the crown.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 06, 2016, 05:31:36 am
I think the Vikings had a very charmed season last year, but there is no denying their talent.  Something about Bridgewater though, he was elusive, but he was accidentally elusive.  Like he looked into the extra time.  But I think his luck will run out and he will end up taking a real big hit this season, maybe a few of them.  I would agree that the Pack should be favored, but you could begin to see a decline in the Pack based on their defense.  Peppers can't play forever, that will leave a hole.

If Chubnickel(Lacy) comes back in true playing shape and f Nelson has no lingering effects of the knee injury, the offense should hum again. 

I think this will be a much more competitive division, with Detroit looking in from the outside.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 06, 2016, 10:08:24 am

I know exactly what you mean about Bridgewater.  Often times it looks like you got him and he'll escape or make this quick off balance throw for a completion.  He's a very efficient QB but not somebody that's going to throw for big yardage or 3 TDs.  You'd think he'd have more gawdy numbers with AP in the backfield - maybe he was limited by his receiving corp.

Defensively, they have a good young group of drafted players throughout their lineup.   We're getting there...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 06, 2016, 04:06:35 pm
I agree with those posts except I believe GB's defense will be even stronger.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 06, 2016, 04:07:40 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2016/05/06/expect-green-bay-packers-2016-draft-class/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

GB: the whole story.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 06, 2016, 07:37:05 pm
There were a few highlight-worthy moments, mostly during one-on-one work between receivers and cornerbacks.

Fifth-round draft pick Trevor Davis hauled in a nice deep ball, and he came back on his next rep to break off the go route and snag another pass on an in-cut. It was a memorable first impression for the speedy Cal receiver

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 07, 2016, 02:56:00 pm
Dave from Hartford, WI

How many different positions do you expect Jason Spriggs will be able to learn/play?

If a guy can play left tackle, and Spriggs can, he can play all of the line positions that donít require him to shove a ball between his legs. If he can also shove a ball between his legs, he can play center, too. Football is a left tackle game. Thatís why the franchise tag for all offensive linemen is effectively the cost of a left tackle.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 07, 2016, 02:59:22 pm
Matt from Round Rock, TX

Vic, in baseball, which doesnít have a meaningful cap, the small-market, consistent winner is an aberration. What would make football different, if the salary cap was eliminated?

Thereís a much greater supply of football talent in America than there is baseball talent. Football is a game of replacement; baseball is a game of maintenance. A football team can rebuild much more quickly than a baseball team can. One draft class will do it, if the football team has ďThe Man.Ē A baseball team has to begin by rebuilding its farm system. Having said all of that, please understand I donít advocate elimination of the draft or the salary cap. I was just asked what I thought would happen if they didnít exist. In my opinion, footballís greatest gift is the seemingly endless supply of talent available to it. Should the concussion thing shrink the game, the endless supply of available talent will also shrink, and football would begin to experience the same problems baseball does.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 07, 2016, 04:04:31 pm
...Martinez said he chose No. 50 out of a group of numbers the Packers offered him. He didnít think of the previous owner, linebacker A.J. Hawk, the franchiseís all-time leading tackler who spent nine seasons in Green Bay. The Packers did not issue No. 50 last season, after Hawk was released by the team the previous February.

ďThey gave me like 12 options, and I was just kind of going through it and not really thinking [and picked] No. 50 like, Ď50ís a great number.í Then all of a sudden, everybodyís like, ĎOh, youíve got A.J. Hawkís number.í I was like, ĎOhhhh, yep, here we go,íĒ Martinez said. ďBut itís a great number, and Iíll do everything I can to live up to his legacy and all of what heís done.Ē

Meanwhile, Martinez said his father, Marc, still is working on ridding the house of the hats and T-shirts of the NFLís other 31 teams that he bought in preparation for his son being drafted. Martinez said extended family members grabbed some of the gear for a few other teams and joked that they ďburnedĒ the Chicago Bears paraphernalia. Martinez said his dad likely will donate whatever is left.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2016, 09:35:07 am

Maybe no one will notice he's got #50 - I mean, Martinez has to get on the field first.

Or maybe he does play and the Packer fans already forget who used to wear #50  - the guy made one pro-bowl in all his years as a Packer...and that was as an alternate.   We're not talking taking #54 and replacing Urlacher.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on May 10, 2016, 09:49:25 am
Was thinking the same thing. WHAT legacy, lol.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 10, 2016, 10:03:20 am

Speaking of middle linebackers and numbers.  After Butkus retired there were quite a few Bears that wore #51.  Not sure why the Bears allowed that or maybe they assigned it because management and Butkus didn't get along too well after he retired.

But can you imagine any player putting on#51 for the Bears after Butkus retired?  6 did until they finally retired his number about 20 years after he retired.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on May 11, 2016, 08:30:15 am
I read somewhere the Bears had so many great players that they had to be cautious of retiring numbers for fear of running out.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on May 12, 2016, 06:35:53 pm
Conflicting reports on John Kuhnís future in Green Bay

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 12, 2016, 5:50 PM EDT

John Kuhn
AP

Does longtime Packers fullback John Kuhn have a future in Green Bay? That depends on which report you believe.

According to WTMJ, Kuhn wants to play for the Packers this year but the team has ďmoved on.Ē Rob Demovsky of ESPN reports, however, that Kuhn hasnít heard anything about the team wanting to move on. And USA Today reports that there is ďmutual interestĒ between the Packers and Kuhn.

The 33-year-old Kuhn has been a fixture in Green Bay since 2007. Heís popular with fans and heís a four-time Pro Bowler.

But the reality is, NFL teams just donít have much room for fullbacks anymore, and Kuhn is no exception. Last year Kuhn was healthy for all 16 games, but he only played 27 percent of the Packersí offensive snaps. On most plays, the Packers donít have a fullback on the field. Kuhn does still contribute on special teams (he played 35 percent of the Packersí special teams snaps last year), but the Packers may fill his shoes on special teams with someone younger, faster and cheaper.

Last year the Packers spent a sixth-round draft pick on fullback Aaron Ripkowski, and this year they signed Alstevis Squirewell, a former Newberry College defensive lineman whom they think has the athletic potential to play fullback in the NFL. It appears likely that Ripkowski and Squirewell will compete to take Kuhnís spot, even if Kuhn isnít ready to say goodbye to Green Bay yet.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2016, 08:34:45 pm
Yep.  Pack fans love Kuhn.  Scored a lot of 1 yard TD runs.  Whatever he was supposed to be doing he was there doing it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2016, 08:35:14 pm
http://nflspinzone.com/2016/05/03/green-bay-packers-is-trevor-davis-this-years-big-sleeper/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2016, 08:43:10 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2016/05/12/packers-news-john-kuhn-could-return/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2016, 08:54:32 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2016/05/11/green-bay-packers-ranking-nfc-north-wide-receivers/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Includes analysis of Bears'WRs.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2016, 09:36:47 pm
Demovsky of ESPN

It would appear ESPN are fans of the Packersí draft class and free agency signing of tight end Jared Cook. Green Bay has jumped up to No. 3 in the power rankings, behind only the New England Patriots and Carolina Panthers. Interesting.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 13, 2016, 10:36:36 pm

#3 in April?  You better get your name in that lottery for Super Bowl tickets.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 15, 2016, 06:36:28 pm
Joe from Bloomington, IN

What will a fullback like Ripkowski do that shows a jump?

Block. Letís begin with that. In time, Iíd like to see him catch a little and be used creatively as a short-yardage runner. Those little surprises grew John Kuhnís legend, but thatís not how a fullback makes the team. He makes the team by blocking. Remember that block Kuhn put on Julius Peppers? Kuhn was in the game on that play for a reason.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 15, 2016, 06:43:25 pm
Dave from East Burke, VT

Which draft pick are you most excited about?

Kyler Fackrell. Pass rushers make our heart beat faster.

Tom from Bismarck, ND

Vic, a draft guru friend of mine once stated, ďWhen in doubt, go with the lower Wonderlic score.Ē Iíve always lived by those words. By the way, he and I both like your column.

Hollywood Henderson said Terry Bradshaw couldnít spell cat if you spotted him the C and the A. What does it say when you lose to someone like.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 15, 2016, 06:51:49 pm
John from Oshkosh, WI

Never understood wasting a roster spot on a long-snapper. If you gave any offensive lineman a thousand snaps in summer, he could do the job. Opens up another spot on roster game day.

Is that roster spot important enough to risk losing a game? Thatís what youíd be doing because the odds are youíll lose any game in which you have a punt blocked. You need someone who can throw that ball back with world-class precision and speed. Specialists work on their crafts during practice. Itís all they do because what they do is of critical importance to the pursuit of victory. If your long-snapper is practicing his blocking with the offense, heís not practicing his long-snapping. Thatís a formula for disaster. Football is a game of specialization.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 15, 2016, 06:54:16 pm
Freddie from Edgemoor, SC

Vic, any player you have an eye on for underwear league MVP?

Jeff Janis.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 15, 2016, 06:55:35 pm
Mark from North Bay, WI

Thanks for putting a little bit of yourself in every answer. Iíve been reading a lot about Blake Martinez. Great attitude, phenomenal production, versatility, etc. How did he last until the fourth round? Is the 40 time still that important to experienced GMs?

The third day is for run stuffers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 15, 2016, 07:01:37 pm
Vic, Von Miller abused the Panthersí RT in the Super Bowl. It didnít appear the Broncos were scared of the Panthers running at him. Itís nice when you have a player that can rush the passer and hold up against the run. How many teams have a Von Miller?

Congratulations, you get it. Reggie White played the front side because he could stop the run as well as rush the passer. It allowed him a pass-rush mismatch against right tackles that werenít premier pass blockers. Kevin Greene played the front side. Youíre talking about two of the best pass rushers in history, and their ability to rush the passer was aided by their ability to stop the run. Itís not all about the blind side. If you can create a personnel mismatch for you without creating one against you, do it. Scheme personnel, not schemes. Youíre right about Miller, too, but something else was exposed in that game: The Panthers really didnít have a top running game. They had a running game that was driven by quarterback yardage, and thatís not true run-the-ball yardage.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 17, 2016, 07:30:07 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-player-feature/article-1/Trevor-Davis-wanted-bigger-stage-performed-on-it/d87eef9b-e64c-43cb-84bc-cec306360d7f
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 17, 2016, 07:56:45 pm
George from San Diego, CA

What will the Packersí first offensive play from scrimmage be against Jacksonville?

A ďHail MaryĒ to Jeff Janis.

Dominick from Berwyn, IL

Time is running out for a team of the decade to emerge. Could this be the first decade of the Super Bowl era without a defining franchise?

We still have four Super Bowl champions to crown. I think a defining team will emerge. Who are the candidates? I think the Seahawks are the No. 1 candidate right now, but itís wide open to a team that can get hot in the final four years of the decade.

And if TT retires GB  has the right to hire away the Seattle GM.  And if he chooses to accept the GB offer he has the right to do so.  Weird.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 07:55:21 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/The_Rock_Report_Brett_Hundleys_sophomore_season/d1b765bd-3a64-49f2-9868-0605daa95f88

Still liking Hundley and that great attitude.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 08:11:51 pm
Randy from Medicine Hat, Canada

Did you forget about the í85 Bears in the conversation about most dominant? I have never seen a team that kicked butt on a regular basis like they did.

Teams in the all-time greatest team discussion must have great quarterbacks. That Bears team didnít have a great quarterback.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 08:17:35 pm
Jordan from Sturgeon Bay, WI

Vic, have you ever seen a fourth-round pick with as high of expectations as Blake Martinez?

Not since David Bakhtiari became the Packersí starting left tackle when Bryan Bulaga injured his knee on ďFamily NightĒ in 2013.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 08:21:59 pm
Dan from Colorado Springs, CO

When I read all the negative comments from your readers about the color rush uniforms, I canít stop but wonder how old they must be. Change is good, people!

If the color rush uniforms are a big hit in Green Bay, Iím thinking of marketing a line of color rush walkers in this column.

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 08:26:11 pm

The Green Bay Packers have signed S Jermaine Whitehead. Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations, announced the signing Wednesday.

Whitehead, a 5-foot-11, 195-pound first-year player out of Auburn, entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the San Francisco 49ers on May 5, 2015. He spent most of his rookie season on the 49ersí practice squad before being signed to the Baltimore Ravensí active roster on Dec. 23, 2015. Whitehead was inactive for the final two games of the season and re-signed with the Ravens on April 19, 2016, before being waived on May 13. He will wear No. 35 for the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on May 18, 2016, 09:10:45 pm
Randy from Medicine Hat, Canada

Did you forget about the í85 Bears in the conversation about most dominant? I have never seen a team that kicked butt on a regular basis like they did.

Teams in the all-time greatest team discussion must have great quarterbacks. That Bears team didnít have a great quarterback.

What a moron...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 09:57:18 pm
Why?  Because the  Bears had a great QB?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on May 18, 2016, 10:07:10 pm
No because a great team does not need a great QB, if that team is a great team.

Not having a great QB and being that dominate proves how great a team it was.  If the "team" is driven by one player is it really a great team?

The Ravens winning it all and being dominate with Trent Dilfer also comes to mind as a GREAT team.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2016, 10:16:30 pm
We need to define "great TEAM".
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on May 18, 2016, 10:35:26 pm
The 85' bears were a one hit wonder.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on May 18, 2016, 10:41:15 pm
Only because Charles Martin body slammed McMahon.  Plus free agency. 

By the way I would take a "one hit wonder" year like that again any day!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on May 18, 2016, 11:16:09 pm
What Pekin said...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: otto105 on May 19, 2016, 02:26:44 am
And nobody would call Danny and the Juniors one of the greatest bands over the likes of The Beattles, The Rolling Stones or U2.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on May 19, 2016, 10:07:29 am
OK, I'll give it a shot...

The '85 Bears had:

The NFL Offensive Player of the Year - Walter Payton
The NFL Defensive Player of the Year - Mike Singletary
The NFL Kick Returner of the Year - Dennis Gentry

Their starting DL had 36.5 sacks total (Dent, Hampton, Fridge, Mongo)
Their starting OLBs had 16.5 sacks (Marshall, Wilson)
Their starting MLB was defensive POY, and led the team in tackles (Singletary)
Their starting DBs had 20 interceptions (Duerson, Frazier, Fencik, Richardson)

5 defensive players were ProBowl selections, 3 were 1st team (Singletary, Dent, Mongo)

They went 15-1 in the regular season.
Only 5 teams scored more than 10 points against them in any game.
They had 4 shutouts.
They were 1st in the NFL in scoring defense (198/12.4)
They were 2nd in the league in scoring offense (456/28.5)
They were 1st in the league in turnover differential (+23)

They went 3-0 in the playoffs.
They outscored their playoff opponents 91-10.
They shutout their opponents in each of the first two playoff games.
Of the 10 points they allowed, 7 were late in the SB against the 2nd team defense, and the other 3 were the result of a turnover deep in their own territory.
Their SB victory set records for most points scored and largest margin of victory (at the time)

Does that qualify as "great"?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 19, 2016, 10:28:46 am

and the other 3 were the result of a turnover deep in their own territory.

Damn, Walter you had to fumble and put us in a hole.

And BTW, there were a few offensive guys that made the pro bowl that year - one of which wore #9.  Probably Payton, Hilgenberg and Covert too, maybe Bortz.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on May 20, 2016, 03:07:05 am
I'm glad I'm old enough to have had the pleasure of watching that team....the fear they put in the eyes of the other teams QB was unmatched.....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 20, 2016, 07:29:14 pm
Guess the old rivalry remains alive.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 20, 2016, 07:33:39 pm
fourth-round draft pick Blake Martinez will make the final cuts for the team this year, simply by taking note of the rookieís smarts in the proper disposal of all things related to the Chicago Bears

According to Rob Demovsky of ESPN, Martinez got rid of the team paraphernalia that his parents bought just prior to the NFL draft last month so he could immediately don the logo of the team that drafted him ó the Green Bay Packers. Martinez gave away all of the other NFL gear to friends, family and charity, except for that of the Chicago Bears.

What did he do with the Bears gear?

He burned it!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 20, 2016, 07:55:45 pm
Vic, I was viewing the photo spread of Aaron Rodgers published on the site. Something struck me as odd. Rodgers has his thumb on his left hand curled in his palm on almost every throw, and many times has his hand almost balled into a fist. It seems like almost every other quarterback has their non-throwing hand with all the digits completely extended. Has anyone ever asked about it?

I hadnít noticed it and I donít recall it being asked, but if itís intentional I can certainly understand the reason: He doesnít want to get his fingers broken. I think the question might be: When was he taught to do this? Is this a Jeff Tedford thing? Hey, Spoff, get to the bottom of this, please.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 20, 2016, 10:41:29 pm
Rarely allowing the Lions to win in the seriesí actual games, the Packers had another rivalry sequence go their way, as their social media staff went overboard in firing back at their long-tormented divisional opposition.

The Lions decided to deploy the #NotAFacemaskFriday hashtag in a tweet Friday that linked to a GIF ó hat tip to Michael Rothstein of ESPN.com ó of the controversial penalty that set up the Packersí momentous hail mary connection soon after last season. Although the GIF of Devin Taylor pulling Aaron Rodgers down by his shoulder pads during a play that closely resembled a facemask was not tweeted at the Packers, their staff obviously observed.

After the tweet of the penalty that set up the Aaron Rodgers-to-Richard Rodgers final-play dagger in Detroit surfaced, the Packersí social media personnel naturally shared that moment for their Internet faithful.

Although, without the Lions hitting back ó there isnít much relevant ammunition remaining for their side ó the Green Bay staff delivered a delightfully random knockout blow by using the hashtag #FavreFridays and directing followers to a GIF of the Favre-to-Sterling Sharpe game-winning hookup that vexed the Lions in a 1993 wild-card game. That ended up concluding Detroitís division championship campaign ó the franchiseís most recent such accomplishment.

The fact that this helps create headlines during one of the NFLís slower news months notwithstanding, the Packersí unexpected second salvo shows the then-NFC Central rivalsí most memorable modern playoff meeting. For those who do not recall, Favre ó then a second-year starter ó hit his then-All-Pro wide receiver for a 40-yard touchdown to lift Green Bay past Detroit, 28-24, in the Silverdome.

For Lions morale purposes, itís a good thing the Packersí staff didnít recall the ensuing yearís wild-card matchup that featured the Packersí defense holding Lion deity Barry Sanders to minus-1 rushing yard in a 16-12 victory ó the sidesí most recent playoff encounter ó at Lambeau Field. That would have been mean, and Iím not sure there were many GIF-able moments in that mostly forgettable game.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 21, 2016, 06:57:31 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/The_Rock_Report_First_impressions/c84d94bf-7817-43d2-947a-863804e352b9

GBP rookies making plays.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2016, 04:08:00 pm

Making plays against who - stuffed dummies?

"Blake Martinez looks like a football player"   REally?  I thought he kind of looked like a pastry chef.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 23, 2016, 09:55:16 pm
Green Bay Packers: Brian Angelichio can help tight ends in 2016

 by Freddie Boston 13 hours ago  Follow @freddieboston
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 23, 2016, 10:10:36 pm
CHICAGO BEARS: GM Ryan Pace provided this Bears squad with a much-needed makeover up front starting with the additions of right tackle Bobby Massie and second-round pick Cody Whitehair, both of whom are expected to have a major impact on an offense in search of a new identity.

Fielding a more athletic offense ranks high on new offensive coordinator Dowell Loggansí priority list. Both he and offensive line coach Dave Magazu want to see their linemen show the ability to consistently get to the second level as they will look to implement zone-blocking concepts.

This explains why Chicago parted ways with eighth-year interior lineman Matt Slauson, who is known as more of a phone-booth player that lacks the movement skills that the coaching is looking for.

Whitehair brings the kind of quickness and body control that should allow him to clear out linebackers at the second level. The rookie also offers the vision and awareness to read blitzes on running and passing plays.

Whether heís a center or guard in the NFL will partially depend upon the continued development of last yearís starting center Hroniss Grasu. The one-time Oregon Duck spent most of his rookie campaign bulking up for the NFL until he was called into action following a leg injury to current free agent Will Montgomery.

To the surprise of no one, Grasu displayed some difficulties engaging his opponents at the point of attack. This summer will be his opportunity to put his leverage and technique skills to good use and prove that he is indeed strong enough to hang with NFL defenders.

Either way, the team is determined to get quality play out of their center and have also added veteran journeymen Manny Ramirez and Ted Larsen to the mix.

Ramirez might be better known to some as the one who sailed the ball over Peyton Manningís head at the start of Super Bowl XLVIII as a member of the Denver Broncos. That aside, heís revered around the league as a powerful run blocker that can line up at guard or center.

Larsen is a similarly versatile blocker who is quick off the ball, but has struggled in the running game due to a tendency to lunge and lose leverage.

Between Grasu, Larsen, Ramirez and Whitehair, the Bears should be able to find a suitable combo at left guard and center.

The right guard position, manned by Kyle Long, is an area of strength. The 27-year-old should be applauded for being a team-first professional in his willingness to move to right tackle last season. It took him a good month to get settled as an edge protector, but Long is clearly better suited to take on adversaries as an inside player.

At right guard, the three-time Pro Bowler wonít feel the need to jump the gun when coming out of his stance against athletic speed rushers who can bend the corner. His record speaks for itself as an interior blockerÖjust ask Gerald McCoy and Ndamakong Suh.

Moving in at right tackle is the aforementioned Massie, who has been lauded by Long himself as being a ďcountry strongĒ lineman. If that assessment refers to his run blocking, then Long is spot on in his commentary.

Massieís pass protection, however, hasnít always been up to par. In his days as an Arizona Cardinal, the young veteran wasnít always a quick study when it came to executing his assignments in Bruce Ariansí offense, which caused Massie to occasionally lose his battles against speed rushers.

The left end will feature 2014 seventh-round pick Charles Leno at tackle, who takes over for the fading Jermon Bushrod, who will be bringing his talents to South Beach as a member of the Miami Dolphins. Leno only has one start and six appearances on his ledger last season, but the coaching staff seems to like his length (34 3/8-inch arms) and his thunderous punch off the snap.

Doubts were cast about the Boise State product prior to him turning pro two years ago due to his waist-bending tendencies as a high-cut athlete whose legs are substantially longer than his upper body.

Tayo Fabuluje is another young tackle who will probably vie for a swing-tackle position following a disappointing first year that saw him show up out of shape and then get suspended for violating the NFLís policy on performance-enhancing drugs.

Nick Becton, Jason Weaver and Martin Wallace will all be competing for backup jobs. Of the three, Becton seems to have a leg up given his lateral agility along with the fact that he finished the 2015 season on Chicagoís roster.

While John Foxís Bears seem to have what it takes to put a formidable set of inside blockers on the field, the tackle spots are a bit iffy going into training camp. Leno and Massie will have a lot on their shoulders as far as improving Chicagoís ability to safeguard Jay Cutler. Donít be shocked to see Long move back to one of those spots at some point.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on May 23, 2016, 10:59:55 pm
Leno played plenty last year.  I do not believe one start and 6 appearances is correct.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 23, 2016, 11:14:43 pm
You may be right, Peke.  I can't vouch for all of the details.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2016, 02:15:40 pm

Leno - 16 games / 13 starts

Tayo Fabuluje is another young tackle who will probably vie for a swing-tackle position following a disappointing first year that saw him show up out of shape and then get suspended for violating the NFLís policy on performance-enhancing drugs.

I don't think Tayo has ever been in-shape.  He might give Massie some competition in a year...assuming he ever gets in-shape.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 05:46:06 pm
Thanks for that info.  I try to follow the Bears much more than other teams through this board
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:08:39 pm
Luke from La Crosse, WI

What must the Packers do to be the unanimous team of the decade?

Itís impossible to become the unanimous team of the decade because there is no such official title or voting board. Itís a mythical distinction, one generally accepted and promoted by common sense. The winner is the team that won the most Super Bowls and, as a tiebreaker, played in the most Super Bowls. Right now, the Patriots, Seahawks and Broncos are tied for that distinction, but I think a second Super Bowl win by any of the teams that currently own one in this decade would trump the Patriotsí, Seahawksí and Broncosí 1 1. The Packers have a lot of wins in this decade. They havenít suffered a non-playoff season in this decade. Win one more Super Bowl and that might do it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:14:25 pm
Jerry from Wilmington, NC

Vic, Lambeau, Starr and Jack Vainisi. Without Vainisi, thereís no Jim Taylor, Ray Nitschke, Jerry Kramer, Bart Starr, Forrest Gregg, Willie Wood or Paul Hornung.

Vainisi is the most underrated and underappreciated person in Packers history. He not only brought all of those players to Green Bay, he brought Lombardi to Green Bay.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:17:33 pm
Bryan from North Bay, Ontario

Youíre the expert, but you really think the 1963 Chargers, who put up 50 points in the title game, would have lost to the Bears?

Yeah, I do. I donít think the Chargers couldíve played the wide open game against the Bears the Chargers played against the rest of the AFL, which was clearly an inferior league in just its fourth season of existence. Be that as it may, that Chargers team was more than just a powerful offense led by one of the great offensive minds in football history, Sid Gillman. Ernie Ladd and Earl Faison were powerful defensive linemen. The í63 Chargers also had an up-and-coming defensive coach named Chuck Noll.


Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/And-the-No-3-Packer-not-named-Lombardi-is/3bf1b21a-681f-49a9-a810-b60c4debbd8f#ixzz49cdRmXci
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:18:44 pm
Tim from Greensboro, NC

Vic, I would submit the gap never closed, considering original AFL teams have only won 14 of the 50 Super Bowls.

Thatís an interesting perspective.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:22:04 pm
Tom from Poplar Grove, IL

Hard counts are nothing more than the NFLís version of baseballís brush-back pitch.

I would compare the hard count to the pitch out.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:28:22 pm
Josh from Morganton, NC

Vic, a lot of Packers fans think the G stands for greatness. However, Cliff Christl stated the G does, in fact, stand for Green Bay. The greatness rumor started before Super Bowl XLV, thanks to Tiki Barber. Itís amazing how gullible people are just because they read something on the Internet.

People believe what they want to believe. On another subject, Cliff has responded to the question about the Packers playing games in Milwaukee to block AFL expansion there. Cliff is a Packers treasure. Hereís his answer: ďThe Packers played their first home game in Milwaukee in 1933 at the old Borchert Field minor league baseball park. At the time, they were in receivership and essentially on their deathbed. The Packers needed Milwaukee to be part of their home territory in order to survive, and they continued to play there Ė next at State Fair Park, then Marquette Stadium for a year and, finally, County Stadium Ė through 1994. In the early 1960s, Marv Fishman, a Milwaukee businessman, tried to lure an AFL franchise to the city. Talks were serious and the Packers and Lombardi were obviously opposed and greatly concerned. So they fought it and won. Lombardi, as did other Packers coaches, felt it was essential for the Packers to play games in Milwaukee and liked playing there. In 1961, when the NFL expanded from 12 to 14 games, the Packers Ė with Lombardi certainly signing off on it and maybe dictating it Ė awarded the extra home game to Milwaukee rather than to Green Bay.Ē


How different NFL history would be if GB had gone bankrupt during those days.


Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:36:20 pm
One thing that time has taught Rodgers is the importance of the summer workout program. Itís not just on the field, either. Itís also getting to know the new additions to the roster.




Rodgers, now 32, has noticed over time that wide-eyed rookies sometimes can be apprehensive about approaching him.

A part of being a two-time NFL MVP is helping establish relationships and building bridges, particularly with a receivers group thatís as young as the Packersí.

Out of the 12 receivers on the Packersí roster, only Nelson was born prior to 1990.

ďThereís a lot of í90s babies in here,Ē Rodgers said with a laugh. ďThey might not feel comfortable asking those questions right away, so you have to kind of break down and have an ice-breaker, whether itís a joke or a nickname or a funny anecdote that you read about them.

ďYou just have to be intentional about it and find time to talk to those guys. The more comfortable that they feel with you, the more comfortable theyíre going to be in asking questions. The more questions that they ask Ė in an appropriate time Ė then we can start to get on the same page.Ē


One of those players is fifth-round draft pick Trevor Davis, who is a University of California alumnus like Rodgers. Davis jokingly said shortly after his arrival that he wasnít sure how heíd go about approaching his new quarterback.

Fortunately, he never had to thanks to Rodgers.

ďYou have to move toward them. You have to initiate conversation with them,Ē Rodgers said. ďHeís extremely gifted with his speed, but heís also an intelligent guy from Cal. ... Heís a good kid. He cares about it a lot. He puts in a lot of time.Ē

On the field, the central part of gaining Rodgersí trust comes down to preparation, and itís a two-way street.

Rodgers, himself, had to keep his head in the playbook this offseason in advance of the changes the team has made with personnel declarations and the installation of new plays.

Rodgers believes itís about pushing the right buttons. That process started this week with OTAs and stretches into training camp now less than two months away.

ďIf theyíre making sure theyíre coming prepared with their routes and their responsibilities on plays, thatís how they can start the conversation,Ē Rodgers said. ďThose guys have nothing to worry about. Itís early. Thereís a lot of football in front of us this summer and we have a lot of time to get to know each other and get on the same page.Ē

MVP all the way.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 07:59:05 pm
(http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2016/05-may/160521-williams-feature-950.jpg)

Rookie WR Ed Williams, 6ft,198.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2016, 08:28:06 pm
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No more FAT-BOY.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 25, 2016, 07:20:15 am
Maybe he learned the lesson.  There is plenty of time to be fat when he is retired...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 25, 2016, 03:49:25 pm
So true!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 25, 2016, 04:23:40 pm
Jeff Janis Leads the Packers in Receiving TDs

As many of you may remember, Jeff Janis enjoyed a bit of a coming-out party last January during the playoffs. Although he made a minimal impact throughout the regular season, he shined when thrust into a significant role during the postseason. Just ask the 145 yards and two touchdowns he had.

As a result, I believe the Packers will give him an opportunity to secure the No. 3 duties behind Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. Itís not like Davante Adams has been a star in the role, and Ty Montgomery is still developing as an NFL-caliber talent. Hence, itís time for Janis to emerge as a big-time playmaker.

With Nelson back from a torn ACL, opposing defenses will be forced to pay him and Cobb plenty of attention. The addition of Jared Cook at tight end should also occupy defensive backs, which will provide Janis with just enough space to secure 10+ touchdown catches throughout the 2016

Now THERE is a bold prediction.  Remember, I didn.t say this.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 25, 2016, 04:28:13 pm
Blake Martinez Earns a Trip to the Pro Bowl

The Packers put together a solid class during the 2016 NFL Draft, but the pick I was most impressed with was the selection of Stanford inside linebacker Blake Martinez in the fourth round. I think heís an underrated prospect with the football IQ, instincts and tenacity to be a playmaker in the NFL.

Thatís why one of my ďboldĒ predictions is that Martinez will convince voters to send him to the Pro Bowl as a rookie. It may be as a replacement for a veteran who drops out due to injury, but itíll be an impressive feat nonethelessĖespecially at a position that rarely sees rookies earn such an honor.

Before we get there, though, Martinez will beat out either Jake Ryan or Sam Barrington for one of the starting jobsĖand heíll do it in convincing fashion. The former star for the Cardinal has all of the smarts and awareness to be a big-time asset for Green Bay. However, it wonít matter due to one of my upcoming predictionsÖ


Nor did I say this.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 25, 2016, 05:25:05 pm
Signing with Green Bay was the perfect marriage for Cook, who has caught passes from a dozen quarterbacks in his seven-year career and has yet to play in the postseason.

Coincidentally, the Packers are one of only two teams, along with the Patriots, to advance to the playoffs in each of the last seven seasons.

When asked if it was Rodgers alone who sold Cook on the Packers, Cook said it was the organization as a whole.

ďThey stress the details here,Ē Cook said. ďIím getting used to that stuff. I guarantee you a lot of these guys can teach me a few things on ways of longevity and postseason play, and striving for greatness.Ē

Cook has 273 catches for 3,503 yards and 16 touchdowns over 107 regular-season games, but has largely flown under the NFL radar. He believes Green Bayís offense could be a catalyst to taking his game to the next level.

Still only 29, Cook is looking forward to beginning that journey and finally being on the receiving end of those Rodgersí passes he watched so fervently from afar.

ďI look at it as a clean slate, a fresh start and a new piece of paper to write a story on,Ē Cook said. ďIím excited for the opportunity thatís ahead of me and Iím going to do the best I can.Ē


Let's see what Angelicio (the coach who helped Browns' TE develop) and Rodgers (who loves him) can do for his stats.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 09:43:43 pm
Marquise (mar-KWEECE) Williams, 23, played in 48 games with 33 career starts at the University of North Carolina. He established more than 20 school records, including career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (35), career rushing yards by a quarterback (2,458) and career total offense (10,423). Williams finished No. 3 in school history with 61 passing touchdowns. He will wear No. 9 for the Packers.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 09:51:01 pm

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This is huge for Ryan Williams. He will have a new contract with Minnesota this week. Ha ha.

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This is that rushing QB they need leading the scout team. They can't effectively emulate Cam or Russell with a single guy. Between them, Hundley and MarquWill can give the defense fits!
 

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 09:55:35 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Quick-Hits-Rodgers-talks-Cook-Janis/af653dc7-c26c-40f2-87b2-f829e6ef42ca
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 10:16:16 pm
Jake from Chippewa Falls, WI

Vic, what would you say if I told you I havenít fertilized, weeded, aerated or washed my mower once since I moved into my house? Also, I havenít sharpened my blade in about three years, I mow as fast as the mower will go, and I drive over every stick, rock and dog toy I can find.

I would say Iím glad I donít live next to you, and that you are a lawn care cretin who has no doubt angered the grass gods and will one day regret it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 10:20:25 pm
Daniel from Tucson, AZ

My dad and I are big fans of your column and I was wondering what you think would have happened had the Packers won the infamous 2007 NFC title game? Would the Packers have won the Super Bowl? Would Favre have stayed another year, and would that have caused us to lose Rodgers?

Iím big on fate as it pertains to sports. Itís just a romantic notion I have that allows me to explain why something happened without driving myself nuts with analysis. In my mind, the í07 Giants were a team of destiny. Didnít we all get that feeling after they nearly upset the Patriots in the season finale? In some ways, I think the Packersí loss to the Giants in the NFC title game was a step in the Packersí destiny. It may have launched a changing of the guard at quarterback. Had the Packers beaten the Giants and won the Super Bowl, or even had they beaten the Giants and lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl, would the Packers have won Super Bowl XLV? Change one thing and you might change everything? I believe in fate.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 10:27:07 pm
Michael from Dover, WI

You have inspired the perfect Fathersí Day Gift: the family depth chart.

I love it. Every big family needs a depth chart. Get good grades, you climb the depth chart. Pee on the carpet Ė dogs are family, too Ė and down you go. Life is a performance. There is no such thing as entitlement.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2016, 10:32:05 pm
Matt from Lincoln City, OR

If the Packers defense is elite next season, how far do you see them going?

It was No. 15 last season, and that was with the No. 21 run defense. We talked about this yesterday. I think the Packers addressed their run defense with the selections of Kenny Clark and Blake Martinez, and I think the return of Sam Barrington and the development of Jake Ryan will also contribute to a better run defense in 2016. The Packers were in a rebuild at inside linebacker last season, and in the first quarter of the first game they lost their No. 1 guy. Did we forget? I donít like the word expectations, but I donít know another word that would describe my thoughts on this yearís defense. I have high expectations for it, and a strong defense would certainly help take the Packers toward their goal, but isnít the offense more at issue going into this season? That wasnít Packers offense last season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 27, 2016, 03:15:41 pm
Bryan from Waverly, IA

Sir, I saw your question about last yearís offense. With a healthy and productive Nelson, Cobb, offensive line, ďThe Man,Ē a trim Lacy, the continued development of Montgomery, Janis and Abbrederis, and if Cook is productive, is there really any stopping this offense?

Iíve come to believe Packers fans favor offense. They treat offense with love and affection, and defense with disdain. I think we need to focus on the challenges the offense is facing. I donít know of anybody on the offense thatís coming off a career year. Can Jordy Nelson make it all the way back? We know of the challenge Eddie Lacy faces. David Bakhtiari spoke this week of the challenge he faces with his ankle injury of late last season. Davante Adams has to reinvent, or at least redefine himself. Jeff Janis is being challenged to make production and potential meet. Jared Abbrederis needs to stay healthy. I canít imagine thereís a player on the offense whoíll tell you 2015 was a good year for him. The Packers were No. 23 in total offense last season. It was the most stunning development of the season. Rose-colored glasses arenít going to get it done. Accepting and defeating the challenges will. My focus is on offense.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 27, 2016, 03:18:19 pm
Sam from Madison, WI

I was reading more about Jack Vainisi and came across this quote from Red Smith, writing about the Packersí 1-10-1 record in 1958 that led to Vainisi bringing Lombardi to Green Bay: ďThey overwhelmed one opponent, underwhelmed 10, and whelmed one.Ē Iím sad I missed the days when sportswriters wrote like this.

Now we tweet.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 27, 2016, 03:50:20 pm
by Don Povia 1 day ago  Follow @hhreynolds

Earlier this week, NFL.com Insider Ian Rapoport [Ed. note: If you work for the Shield, isnít the title ďInsiderĒ a little redundant?] reported that Packers president Mark Murphy believes that Green Bay is ďin the mixĒ to host the 2019 NFL Draft.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 29, 2016, 10:54:35 pm
Brad from Chino Hills, CA

Vic, love your column! With the strength of schedule, would you say 12-4 is optimistic or realistic?

Your goal is to lose four games?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 29, 2016, 10:57:32 pm
Glen from New York, NY

Vic, any personal thoughts on W.C. Heinz, who wrote ďRun to DaylightĒ with Vince Lombardi?

Youíre talking about one of the giants of the business. Heinz was one of Lombardiís New York boys. They were proud of him and Lombardi rolled out the red carpet for them when they came to Green Bay to cover the big games. Lombardi doesnít get enough credit for his talent for promoting professional football. He was an outstanding salesman, and he was charming to the media when he needed to be. Young fans of today donít understand pro footballís struggles back then. Baseball was the national pastime and football was the college game. In Don Weissí book, ďThe Making of the Super Bowl,Ē he tells of how the wire services didnít even cover the 1958 NFL title game, considered to be the greatest game ever played. Lombardi could do it all. He was the gameís greatest coach, he was a wordsmith whose famous quotes live forever, and he used the influential media to promote his team, the game and himself. I miss those kinds of coaches.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 29, 2016, 11:01:37 pm
Jerry from Puyallup, WA

How would you finish this sentence? If Eddie Lacy averages 100 yards per game in December and January, the Packers Ö

Will win it all.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 29, 2016, 11:04:46 pm
Sam from Sioux Falls, SD

Vic, Sports Illustrated had an article saying Mike McCarthy is one of the coaches with the most to prove. Do you agree because of last seasonís play-calling, or is that crazy considering heís racked up five division titles, eight playoff berths, seven straight playoff berths and a Super Bowl title?

There was nothing wrong with the play-calling and Coach McCarthy has nothing to prove to me. Heís one of the brightest offensive minds I have ever known and his talent for directing an offense is complemented by his skill for being a leader of men. The article to which you are referring is a ďDead ZoneĒ think piece intended to use emotion to drive readership. Itís OK from an entertainment standpoint, as long as you donít regard it as gospel.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on May 31, 2016, 02:17:31 pm
Christian from Milwaukee, WI

My seven-year-old daughter, Ellia, would like to know who is your all-time favorite Packer and why?

Itís Bart Starr, because he had the courage to call his own number for the most important play in Packers history, and because heís Mr. Packer, and because he built my mail box.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 02, 2016, 07:17:04 pm
Zack from Radford, VA

Vic, I know polls donít matter, but seeing the top 100 is voted on by the players just disturbs me on Clayís ranking. In 2011 he was 11th overall, now 57th, which is six spots lower than last season, after having a career high in tackles. Am I wrong for thinking this?

Everybody wanted him to move to inside linebacker. Well, this is what happens. Just as offensive linemen are judged according to the best left tackles, linebackers are judged according to the best rush backers. Clay Matthews made an unselfish move inside in 2014 that was the defensive catalyst to a run that nearly took the Packers to the Super Bowl. It was a move Matthews made at the shank of his career, and he never, ever complained about it. Itís one of the most team-first acts I have experienced in my 44 years of covering the NFL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 02, 2016, 07:26:53 pm
Steven from Milwaukee, WI

If McCarthy is not at all responsible for the Packersí offensive troubles last year, why do the majority of writers, analysts and scouts seem to lay heavy blame at his feet for the inability to adapt to the personnelís skill sets and opposing defensive game plans?

What youíre really asking is why didnít the Packers win the Super Bowl, but thatís not the language we speak nowadays. The video game craze and the avalanche of ex-players on ESPN and NFL Network analyzing every meaningless play to assign blame for the meaningful has resulted in the language of analysis. I call it ďcover two talk.Ē The fans feel compelled to speak that language, lest they be on the outside looking in. You want the truth? Hereís the truth: The majority of the analysis you use to form your opinion on the Packersí adaptation to personnel skill sets and opponentsí defensive game plans is incorrect. How would you know?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 02, 2016, 07:31:30 pm
Chase from Palmetto, FL

Vic, have you seen the big alligator found on a golf course here in Florida? What would you do if it was found on your street or favorite golf course?

I owned a home in Jacksonville Beach that had a retention pond next to it. We were set to close on the sale of the house when a 10-foot alligator settled into my retention pond. Such things can hold up a closing, so I quickly called Bubba the alligator man, but he was unable to take the gator before closing. When the closing was complete, I turned to the buyer and said, ďSoon, a man with one tooth, a rope, a big hook, a chicken and a gun will be coming into your yard. Congratulations, youíre the proud owner of a 10-foot alligator.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 02, 2016, 07:42:46 pm

The Green Bay Packers signed G Lucas Patrick and released WR Devonte Robinson and G Cory Tucker. The transactions were announced Wednesday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations.

UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT SIGNING:

No, Name, Pos, Ht, Wt, College, HS Hometown
62, Lucas Patrick, G, 6-3, 313, Duke, Brentwood, Tenn.

Patrick, 22, played in 44 games with 26 starts, including 21 consecutive starts at left guard to finish his career at Duke. He was named honorable mention All-Atlantic Coast Conference by the leagueís head coaches and the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association in 2015. Patrick was part of Duke teams that won 33 games, including the 2013 ACC Coastal Division championship, and appeared in four bowl games.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 02, 2016, 08:01:40 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Julius-Peppers-still-feels-like-a-young-guy-/f715517d-0219-422f-9d0f-5e6e340950bb

Julius happy i and bubbling over.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 04, 2016, 07:08:57 pm
Mark from Wausau, WI

Vic, my son moved to New York and found a Packer bar to watch the games. Why do you think the Packers have such a large following across the country?

The Packers, by nature of where they live, are the team of the small town. They are the only team of the small town and there are a lot of small towns and a lot of people who subscribe to small-town values and ways. Cheering the Packers is a means for those fans to express their identities.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 05, 2016, 06:22:49 am
Mark from Wausau, WI

Vic, my son moved to New York and found a Packer bar to watch the games. Why do you think the Packers have such a large following across the country?

The Packers, by nature of where they live, are the team of the small town. They are the only team of the small town and there are a lot of small towns and a lot of people who subscribe to small-town values and ways. Cheering the Packers is a means for those fans to express their identities.

That's a nice theory, but I would say it is much more a story about a front runner.  Packers have enjoyed two Hall of Fame QBs in  row.  Who didn't like Brett Favre's personality and then to follow that with Aaron Rodgers, c'mon.  Sure I am envious.  But it is funny how many Cowboy fans were born in the late 80's that never lived in Texas, 49 er fans, Seattle fans, etc.  People like a winner.  Those front runners identify with a winning team and follow it. I actually have no problem with the front runner as long as they stay with that team the rest of their lives.  I have a buddy at work that was born outside of Memphis. Lived their almost all of his life, and surprise, he's a Seahawk's fan

He is from a small town, lol

Vic's answer is bs
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on June 05, 2016, 08:30:48 am
yup, it is all about the winning and the Packers have done a lot of that lately.
I think it also helps they have guys in commercials (Rodgers, Matthews etc) all the time.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 05, 2016, 06:30:43 pm
I have pondered why fans have flocked to root for GB, myself.  There is something to your point about winning.  However I'm certain many of the guys rooting for the Packers are small town people who like to see the little guy win. You can easily see that when you read the addresses of the fans.  They are from all over the world; especially from small towns.

One other point here, I have followed the Packers since 1958 and they have had a large following, even in the losing years of the 70s and 80s.  It relly is a small town thing.  Mostly fans stick with a team and don't jump around like fleas.  These fans are mostly dedicated.  Read the emotion in their responses.

Vic knows football fans.  He has been around for awhile.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 05, 2016, 09:34:03 pm
If a person is from Wisconsin or has some connection I get it.  The rest are all band wagoners imo. 

Here in Central Illinois I did not run into one single Packer fan.  Not one ever.  It wasn't until Favre and the Super Bowl that you started seeing Packer gear.

I am sure the Bears got a lot of their fans in 85 as well so I am not disparaging.  I am just telling you the Packers are popular because they have had two HoF QB's in a row and have won a lot.  People just like to say it is the small town thing against a big town because no one likes to say they jumped on the band wagon.

I am from a small town I am not Packer fan.  I hate the Packers.  I know lot's of small town people who are Bears fans.  The Packer fans I know that live around me are all loud mouth douche bags that are the epitomy of bandwagon. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 06, 2016, 05:22:55 am
I thought of another buddy.  Back in high school I met Dan, and his family was from Galveston, Texas.  This was the late 70's, and his team along with the family was, you guessed it... the Dallas Cowboys.  Perfect, natural, and why not?  This was in northern Ohio.  Definitely not a front runner, and no reason to pull for the Lions or the Browns who were the local area teams.

Fast forward with Dan 30 years later I connect with him on Facebook.  Raging Packers fan.  Smack talking Packers fan.  What changed?  Winning brings the front runners in, just like my work buddy being a Seahawks fan.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 06, 2016, 05:30:29 am
Now I'll say living near Tampa from 1995 - 2009, the Packer fans would come out in full force.  I had the opportunity to see the Bucs and Packers play several times, and the Packer fans travelled.  In fact I would wager most that I saw at the hotel were from Wisconsin based on accent and hair styles. I think as the Packers have continued to win, they have pulled in more fans from everywhere.  Watching the Packer fans was some of the best theatre that I can recall, they were good sports.  I am sure since then that the **** factor that Pekin cites has increased along with the winning as you have brought in the front runners. 

Sure a handful may be from small towns and connect to being the little guy versus Goliah, but I would bet that is a very small percentage to the overwhelming front runner surge.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 08, 2016, 07:10:36 pm
You guys ought to visit the Peru mall.  When we lived in Henry, IL we used to shop there occasionally and I bought my Packer jacket there.  Unbelievable as it may seem they  had 7 racks of Packer jackets an 1 1/2 Bears racks.  They ars loaded with Packer fans in the La Salle area.  A good friend of mine (former Cleveland fan from Ohio) told about going to mass and watching the Acolyte wearing a Packer shirt.  The priest usually mentioned the Packers during mass.

One football season weekend I watched customer and counted  football jackets.  I counted 7 Packer fans, 2 Bear fans and a Steeler fan.

If you are not from a small town you probably don't get it.  ACL was a good example; small Illinois town Packer fan.

If you read Vic's column you will see the emotion is their comments.  Many come from around the US to visit Lambeau Field.  Not the actions of winner-backing fans.

You ca  believe what I say or not but somehow I believe deep down inside you know that what almost 60 years of Packer backing has shown me.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 08, 2016, 07:25:32 pm
PS.  With only just over 100,000 people in GB where do you suppose all these fans come from? 

After over 20 years of rooting for winning teams (Favre and Rodgers) don't you think they are permanent fans?  After rooting for GB for all that time would they change?  I think not.

If you judge by winning records how come NE doesn't have twice as many fans?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 08, 2016, 07:30:16 pm
I think most won't change packrat.  Some will but most won't.

It has next to nothing to do with being from a small town except for a very few.  It has everything to do with winning.

I know tons of Steelers and Cowboys fans.  They are fans because when they got interested in football those teams were good.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 08, 2016, 07:41:27 pm
Now that point makes some sense.  A lot or these fans probably became fans during the Lombardi era.

Read the names if the small towns that non-wisconsins reside.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 08, 2016, 08:07:35 pm
The Bears are popular nationwide not only because of the large Chicago population moving but because of people who became fans in 1985.

My entire extended family gathered at my grandmothers house every Sunday for dinner when I was growing up.  Some people watched the Bears the others watched racing in the other room.  Others still didn't care about either one.

Anyway the Bears were always on the TV as I was growing up every Sunday for as long as I can remember.  I didn't like racing (cars going in a circle?  Boring) so I always hung out in the Bears room.  I always liked Walter Payton and the Bears but did not become passionate about it until they actually got good enough to make it interesting.  Which was when Ditka became coach.

So winning brings fans and most become life long fans.  However there is a certain segment of the population that are just bandwagon fans.  Who knew a Seattle Seahawk fan until they got good?  In the 80's in Central Illinois there were a lot of people wearing Niners gear.  My theory is those same type of people are now wearing Packers gear.  I have not seen any 49er's gear in Illinois in a very long time.       
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on June 08, 2016, 08:32:34 pm
When I started following the Bears were the Neil Anderson/Brad Muster/Tom Waddle days along with Mike Singletary, Jimmy Mac and whomever else they could stand up at QB.
I don't even remember why I started pulling for the Bears. Most of the folks in my area were Redskins fans.

If I had grown up more recently I would certainly be a Panthers fan.
I pull for them some but don't really follow them, I rarely watch their games.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 08, 2016, 09:21:02 pm
Basically, when you are a fan of a team for 10 - 20 years you don't jump teams.  Many of the long-time fans are training their off-spring to follow the  "family team".   
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:17:29 pm


Jerry Jones not interested in running for president, in case anyone was wondering

Posted by Mike Florio on June 9, 2016, 11:31 AM EDT

Ooooo, would I love to vote against him
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:20:58 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/The-Rock-Report-It-aint-normal/dc6d6a45-96d3-4f11-86e2-734135d326e9
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:31:17 pm
Cary from Sioux Falls, SD

Vic, who is the best coach you have ever seen at making halftime adjustments?

Itís Mike McCarthy. What he did in Oakland last year is a prime example. Coach McCarthy is the most scheme-conscious coach Iíve covered. Coach Coughlin is a close second. Coach Noll is, by far, the least scheme-conscious coach Iíve covered. His fourth-and-4 play in Super Bowl X is the worst play-call Iíve ever seen.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:33:17 pm
John from St. Augustine, FL

Could you elaborate on what a ďrun fitĒ is? I have no idea what it means.

Itís a defenderís gap responsibility in a scheme for stopping a running play. Jack Del Rio was obsessed with everybody being in their gap. He calls it ďfitting it up.Ē Of course, you have to win your gap or ďfitting it upĒ is meaningless
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:37:43 pm
Mike from Appleton, WI

Vic, what the heck? Bart Starr built your mailbox? Whatís the story?

I owned the home across the street from Bart Starrís old house. I was told I shared a mailbox with that house, which seemed odd. Why do I share a mailbox? I asked. It was explained to me that when Bart was the Packersí coach and the Packers lost, fans would knock down his mailbox, and sometimes my houseís mailbox would also get knocked down. Bart felt badly about it so he had a big, brick mailbox holder constructed, and it included a mailbox divided into halves. The left half was for his mail and the right half was for my houseís mail. Itís a cool story, but what unappreciative slob knocks down the mailbox of the most revered player in Packers history? Weíre talking about the man who made the play that gave birth to the Packers franchise as we know it. You knock down his mailbox because he lost a game? That story left a mark on me.


Me, too. I remember when some fan shot Dan Devine's dog.  He was a bad coach but not that bad.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:40:41 pm
Vic, pride may be frustrating but the Packersí winning tradition has to be just as frustrating to fans and owners of other teams around the league. Footballís version of ďField of DreamsĒ was carved out of local farmland in a village whose name most people canít pronounce. Thereís something to be said for historic events and success taking place in the least likely of locations. How iconic would that little shindig held on Yasgurís farm have been if it was staged in a big city?

I donít recall any mailboxes getting knocked down in ďField of Dreams.Ē Be that as it may, Iíll bet you didnít know Max Yasgurís son and grandson are Packers fans. Yep, they are. Hereís how I know. A friend of mine from the league office asked me if I would give my two tickets to friends of his from New York. I said sure. ďHis name is Dr. Yasgur,Ē my friend said. Hmmm, I thought. Yasgur, New York? No way. When I met them and delivered the tickets, I said, ďI gotta ask. Any connection to Max Yasgur of Woodstock fame?Ē I was then informed I was in the company of the real Max Yasgurís son and grandson. Sometimes I feel like Forrest Gump.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2016, 07:44:41 pm
.J. from West Allis, WI

Iím happy you post some of those really mean-spirited questions. It gives us an idea of what you read.

I think those types of questions have a sobering effect on the rest of us. Anger about something written in a sports column? Maybe I should check myself.


Amen.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2016, 09:02:17 pm
This Lombardi quote in the Zeke Bratkowski article by Cliff Christl struck a chord: ďBlitzing is a sign of weakness.Ē Your thoughts?

Blitzing was regarded as cheating.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2016, 09:04:58 pm
Don from Brunswick, GA

Iíve read that in baseball if a player has the ability to hit, a roster spot is nearly guaranteed. Is there any single skill possessed by a football player that might insure a roster spot?

Itís difficult to cut speed. Speed will usually get a player another look.

Jerry from Wilmington, NC

Whoís your Mt. Rushmore of football coaching innovation and creativity?

Paul Brown, Sid Gillman, Bill Walsh and Clark Shaughnessy.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2016, 09:15:09 pm
Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Yes-Ray-this-is-heaven/39c75116-28c5-4f6b-97e3-1d791c263541#ixzz4BEV42FCM

Vic's entire column.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2016, 09:20:28 pm
Patrick from Theresa, WI

James Earl Jones delivered the iconic speech in ďField of DreamsĒ and I achieved perspective on baseball. How would footballís version go?

ďThe one constant through all the years since the merger has been football. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. Itís been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again, and football has led the way. This field, this game, is a part of our past, present and future. We bow to it. We pray to it. We travel for hours to take a tour and see it. It reminds us of the thing thatís most important in our lives, football, and its play-calling controversies that follow. Oh, people will come, Ray. Theyíll line up for the tour, and Grant will do his Lombardi routine, and heíll push the button in the tunnel and the music will play for the two millionth time, and their hearts will beat faster as they walk toward the sign that tells them to stay off the grass, and they will bend and touch the grass and ask, ĎIs this heaven?íĒ
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2016, 09:36:31 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-cliffs-notes/article-1/Zeke-Bratkowski-Sunday-was-easy-for-Bart-Starr/63b185bf-14b0-4895-b024-6ea9a90fa20d?campaign=email_160610
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 11, 2016, 09:28:03 pm

Vic's column:

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/It-was-a-memorable-season/d6da8c0e-3507-49a0-bbb9-54b66b218723
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 12, 2016, 10:21:29 pm
https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/742063712895401984?embed_source=clientlib&player_id=0&rpc_init=1&language_code=en

Aaron delivers,
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 12, 2016, 11:00:42 pm
 NFL owners, coaches say a developmental league is needed and here's what's brewing CBS Sports | Jun 7 - See more at: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/nfl-owners-coaches-say-a-developmental-league-is-needed-and-heres-whats-brewing-

Good. do it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 12, 2016, 11:12:33 pm


Packers Focus On Safety Position

June 6th, 2016 at 11:19am CST by Zach Links



While the league seems to be more focused on other positions, the Packers have elevated the importance of safeties, Scott Venci of USA Today writes.

ďMy personal belief is that the tight end position on offense and the safety position on defense has now gone into that level of importance,Ē Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. ďIf you look at the rule changes, you look at the matchups, you look at the body types, the league has opened up the middle of the field. So I think everybodyís conscious of that and from a personnel acquisition standpoint, itís something that you see the trend. Itís been going on and the importance of attacking the middle of the field with big athletic football players. With that youíve got to have people who can defend it. Weíre very fortunate to have the safety group we have.Ē

The Packersí philosophy has led to them having one of the best safety tandems in the NFL with Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Morgan Burnett. In the long run, keeping both players will cost Green Bay. Burnett is under contract through the 2017 season with cap numbers of $5.95MM and $7MM in each of the next two years. Clinton-Dix is under his rookie deal through 2017, though the Packers can pick up his fifth-year option to retain him through 2018.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on June 13, 2016, 07:24:32 am
NFL owners, coaches say a developmental league is needed and here's what's brewing CBS Sports | Jun 7 - See more at: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/nfl-owners-coaches-say-a-developmental-league-is-needed-and-heres-whats-brewing-

Good. do it.

I think a farm league like baseball has is a great idea.
It would let the NFL grow players and call them up in the event of injury or if a guy is lighting it up. I think it would also help expand the fan base if you put these teams in areas that don't have an NFL team today.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 13, 2016, 03:43:35 pm
Absolutely.  Plus it would help separate professional athletes from professional students.  It would encourage the return of moral ethics to college sports.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 13, 2016, 04:04:53 pm
(http://totalpackers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/blake-martinez-packers.jpg)

Keep an eye on this rookie ILB.  He is going to be a dandy one.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 13, 2016, 04:20:16 pm


Blake Martinez pushing Sam Barrington at inside linebacker

By Jason B. Hirschhorn  @by_JBH  on Jun 13, 2016, 12:00p  10   


Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports


The fourth-round pick took snaps with the No. 1 defense during the Packers' OTAs and looks to continue doing so in minicamp.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 13, 2016, 04:41:54 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Keep-an-eye-out-for-young-players/a201f449-1c60-488e-8486-83d1a1ce5267
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 13, 2016, 11:08:07 pm

Comment From JACK CHARLES

How many recievers do you see the packers keeping? if only 6, who gets the boot?

5 days ago

Ryan Wood

I think 7 receivers is a real possibility. For that to happen, the Packers would have to probably keep either 3 tight ends or 3 offensive tackles. Might not be able to pad the defensive line for the first couple weeks, which could be ideal with Mike Pennel on suspension. So, yes, seven is a real possibility, but if it's only six I see it coming down to Trevor Davis and Jared Abbrederis. In a perfect world, the Packers probably would start the season on practice squad. With his speed, they might not have that luxury if he plays well in the preseason. To me, the WR battle will be the most interesting in camp. The amazing thing: the five guys behind Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb have been drafted in the past three years, and you know how Ted Thompson loves his draft picks.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 14, 2016, 09:28:24 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/The-player-is-talking-to-the-fans/a602aa06-8c51-49b4-8c83-6f2d8555a50a
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 14, 2016, 09:55:41 pm

Green Bay Packers Rumors & News
 




James Jones Willing to Return to Packers Should Need Arise

June 11th, 2016 at 12:40pm CST by Ben Levine

I don't believe there much chance of this with 7 young players showing signs of possibly making the roster.  Thanks for last season, though.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 15, 2016, 07:27:25 pm
(http://cdn.fansidedblogs.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/25/files/2016/06/ncaa-football-new-mexico-bowl-utah-state-texas-el-paso-850x560.jpg)

The Packers have solid depth across the board in the secondary, but Evans possesses a very unique set of skills. Hopefully, he can be one of the next best undrafted gems in this league.

6-0, 212, 4.43 forty
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 15, 2016, 08:10:07 pm

Still like this guy a lot.  Great personality, t

(http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2016/06-june/160615-hundley-feature-950.jpg)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 16, 2016, 09:53:12 pm



 

Sports Blogs

Jared Abbrederis earns lofty praise from McCarthy



Jared Abbrederis spent the last few months adding a bit of muscle to his wiry frame.
Jared Abbrederis spent the last few months adding a bit of muscle to his wiry frame. Cred

By Michael Cohen of the Journal Sentinel

Green Bay ó As the majority of receiver-based headlines focused on Jordy Nelsonís knee and Jeff Janisí role, Jared Abbrederis glided through the off-season in relative obscurity. He popped into the spotlight against the Arizona Cardinals and, over the next few months, receded into the background as just one of the guys at a crowed position.

But his translucence ended Thursday, the last day of mandatory minicamp for the Green Bay Packers, when coach Mike McCarthy spoke glowingly of Abbrederis and his progress.

ďI think Jared had his best offseason,Ē McCarthy said. ďI think his route running is exemplary for a young guy. His ability to recognize coverages, and his time clock, his breaking points, his ability to drop his weight. Just all the specifics and details and techniques of route running, I think he's exceptional...

GB's # 4, or or 5 or 6 WR.  TT has been hitting gold.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 17, 2016, 12:13:32 pm

by Brennen Rupp   17 hours ago  Follow @brennen_james   

Since 2011 a pair of former fourth-round draft picks have held down the guard position for the Green Bay Packers. Josh Sitton and T.J. Lang have quietly been one of the best guard tandems in the league since 2011. The pair of former fourth-round picks have been the anchors for the Packers offensive line for the past five years. During that five-year run the duo have combined to miss just four starts. To put that in perspective the Packers have had four different week one starters at center during that span...

I look for both to possibly go after this season.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 17, 2016, 04:05:34 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Brett_Hundley_taking_on_the_QB_curve/7778aa8f-959f-4259-8e2b-a9162eec9941
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 18, 2016, 06:15:53 pm



QUIZ: Name the teams that have never won a Super Bowl

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Thirteen NFL teams have never won a Super Bowl in the history of their franchises. Can you name them all.

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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 18, 2016, 07:11:49 pm
http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1045732-packers-hundley-making-strides-heading-into-year-2

The Bears should sign this guy when GB loses him in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on June 18, 2016, 09:37:28 pm
LOL, based on what?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 19, 2016, 08:16:54 pm
Good QBs are hard to find.  Hundley looks like  GB QBs who been traded to other teams and been successful for them.  GB has the HC who does well training young QBs.   Watch him this spring when play begins.  Judge for yourself.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 21, 2016, 06:42:59 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 21, 2016, 06:52:15 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Im-back-baby-richer-than-ever/6745655a-2f39-4945-bf79-daf741890bdf
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 21, 2016, 07:09:36 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Two-point-strategy-becoming-hotter-topic/d627c955-fac7-49a4-ab39-4ace7f2f1669
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 21, 2016, 07:19:44 pm

 Ryan Wood
✔  ‎@ByRyanWood 

#Packers have a lot of confidence in Hundley. They like his progression. What kind of QB can he become? Alex Van Pelt: ďA solid starter.Ē
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 22, 2016, 06:28:48 pm
http://packerstalk.com/2016/06/21/brett-hundleys-trade-value/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PackersTalk+%28PackersTalk.com%29
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 22, 2016, 07:42:02 pm
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Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 23, 2016, 07:24:54 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Consistent-pass-rush-will-make-the-difference/ef8ba1d8-cdcb-4b0d-bd0a-a534981d066e
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 24, 2016, 05:02:13 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/24/nfl-plans-to-interview-peppers-matthews-harrison-about-peds/
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 24, 2016, 08:29:35 pm
NFL to interview Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers over PED report
Brian Jones -  7 hours ago 
 Green Bay Newsletter

It looks like two members of the Green Bay Packers could be in some hot water.

According to USA Today, an NFL league official will show up on the first day of Packers training camp to interview Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews because they are named in an Al-Jazeera America report, linking them to performance enhancers and other drugs. Former Green Bay Packers linebacker Mike Neal, who is currently a free agent, will be interview on or before July 22.

USA Today says the allegations were made by Charlie Sly who is a former anti-aging clinic intern who was secretly videotaped as part of the Al-Jazeera documentary. He has now renounced his allegations, but the NFL is looking into the matter.

ďOn January 11, 2016, the league notified Messrs. Peppers, Neal, Matthews and [James] Harrison that it had initiated an investigation following the airing of the Al-Jazeera America documentary, which raised serious issues concerning their possible violation of the NFL/NFLPA Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances,Ē Adolpho Birchís letter said who is the NFL senior vice president of labor policy and leaguge affairs. ďThe players were further advised that, with their full and timely cooperation, the investigation would be conducted expeditiously and with minimal disruption.

ďWhile the investigation has proceeded, we have yet to interview the players. We have attempted since early April to work through the NFLPA to schedule them, but despite multiple requests the NFLPA has failed to respond, except to seek reconsideration of the basis for the investigation. This continuing delay and avoidance has obstructed our ability to conduct and conclude the investigation.

ďIn fairness to all, including the players involved, we must move forward with the interviews. Accordingly, this will advise that the interviews of Messrs. Peppers, Matthews and Harrison will be scheduled for the first day of their respective training camps, and the interview of Mr. Neal (free agent) will take place on or before July 22. The players will be advised of the specific scheduling details by separate correspondence on which the NFLPA will be copied, and of course an NFLPA representative may attend each interview should the player so request.Ē

Back in December, both Matthews and Peppers denied ever using performance enhancing drugs.

"I work hard on my reputation, and really that's all I have," Matthews said after the team's loss in Arizona on Sunday. "For seven years, I worked my ass off, you know, for this guy to say those types of things, it's not true. And especially for him to recant everything that he said, too, I think it really just goes to show this source as well. I mean, the truth will come out, and I'm not worried about it because I carry myself a certain way and that's the right way."

Peppers echoed Matthewsí comments.

From, al Jazeera? Really?

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 24, 2016, 09:09:12 pm
Yes it was Al Jazeera.  It was a story about Peyton Manning but their informant gave up these guys as well.

The Peds were sent to Peyton in his wifes name. 

I have no idea if the story is true or not but the follow up investigations by other media sources seem to confirm that Mannings wife did in fact receive the PEDS and Manning claimed it was for her medical condition and would not discuss it further.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 24, 2016, 09:10:01 pm
Oh and EVERYONE knows Clay Matthews is using PED's.  It is beyond obvious.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 24, 2016, 09:47:40 pm
LOL.  Simple jealousy, Peke.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 24, 2016, 09:53:37 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/When-is-winning-enough/8c4961db-172e-4381-b126-293f572d17ba

WOW.  Letters from Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Switzerland and UK.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 24, 2016, 10:26:42 pm
Did Tony Romo diss Aaron Rodgers talking about Brett Favre?
 ESPN | Jun 24

 
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With Brett Favre set for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this summer, it is only natural a Wisconsin-bred quarterback like Tony Romo would be asked about the Green Bay Packers legend.

Romo grew up admiring many quarterbacks, maybe John Elway most, but because he grew up two-plus hours south of Green Bay, Favre was also among his favorites. When he became the Cowboysí starter, Romoís game was compared most to Favre.

He could even do a mean Favre imitation.
 
Jealousy is a terrible thing.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 25, 2016, 05:00:01 am
Not a diss at all. Romo grew up watching Favre on TV.  He's older than Rodgers, why would he worship/follow Rodgers.  It would be like Manning talking about Brady over Unitas...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 25, 2016, 08:20:46 pm
You make a good point.  Hadn't thought of that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 25, 2016, 09:53:45 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Training-camp-will-give-us-new-hope/cc527774-a094-401e-89c9-4a8c60cea1dd
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 27, 2016, 10:02:00 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Three-questions-to-answer-early-in-the-season/f3a4064c-a5d4-4ba9-b49d-f4b37989146a
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2016, 06:19:50 pm
Aaron Rodgers isnít a top-5 QB (or, Nate Burleson is crazy)

By Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern  on Jun 28, 2016, 4:01p  9   



  NFL Network
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Top 5 QBs in the NFL (via @Nate13Burleson):

1. Cam
2. Russ
3. Brady
4. Palmer
5. Ben 


  Nathaniel E Burleson
✔  ‎@Nate13Burleson 

My bad. A Rod is a beast! https://twitter.com/matthewcgeorge/status/747579250887245824 Ö

7:34 PM - 27 Jun 2016 ∑  Culver City, CA, United States


 How much value is there in nationally syndicated column in NFL.Com.?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2016, 06:38:21 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Its-about-more-than-catches-yards-and-TDs/e61d4bc7-a51f-4aba-bcdc-bb19bc9644af
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2016, 06:41:21 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/The-Rock-Report-Seeing-is-believing/e4540186-bc99-4909-8366-5cd3207ca546
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 28, 2016, 08:15:40 pm
 
 In continuing Packy,


 All we want to do is beat you every game.



Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on June 29, 2016, 10:57:40 am
If Rodgers is the QB of the Panthers, they win the Superbowl.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2016, 06:31:31 pm

That's a bold statement, navigator.  I hadn't thought about it but you may be right. 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on June 29, 2016, 07:00:55 pm
Rodgers is by far the best QB in the league.  It isn't close. 

Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2016, 08:15:52 pm
Thanks, Peke.  We agree there.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 02, 2016, 02:37:35 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Packers-Vikings-is-going-to-get-real-good/a4456248-1c39-41c6-84ad-dc5f51dfa4f3?campaign=email_160701
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 02, 2016, 02:48:22 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Pieces-in-place-to-win-a-Super-Bowl/174e89f9-2f71-4afa-b3c0-88f5f23784b0?campaign=email_160701
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 02, 2016, 03:00:51 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Is-it-easier-to-win-Super-Bowl-in-cap-era/5c310498-2d55-457a-b7c7-c8d10e180eee?campaign=email_160701
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Sportster on July 02, 2016, 09:27:08 pm
Oh boy...the ol 'all the pieces are in place' curse. You done did it now. The Wanny curse is upon you!
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 04, 2016, 07:15:40 pm
LOL.  Please, not that.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 04, 2016, 07:30:37 pm

Whatís the difference between Brett Hundley and Bryce Petty? ó Thomas Hobbes of Cheesehead TV

Remember the 2015 NFL Draft, when Brett Hundley and Bryce Petty were graded very similarly by analysts? They seem to have gone off in separate directions since. Hundley has been growing into his role as the backup to Aaron Rodgers and potential future starter on a team someday, while Petty looks to be the odd man out in the leagueís worst quarterback battle.
 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 04, 2016, 08:32:12 pm
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2016/7/3/12090396/julius-peppers-actually-has-a-great-contract-for-the-packers
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 04, 2016, 09:14:44 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Why-are-you-so-happy-today/dfa77f2a-a701-4c02-9d06-59aa077b550f
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2016, 09:00:53 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Playing-time-at-WR-wide-open-to-competition/58d13335-a5ef-4982-99be-753fd540abbb
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2016, 09:15:22 pm
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FPackers%2Fvideos%2F10153971940940073%2F&show_text=0&width=560


<img src-https://cdn2.vox-<cdn.com/thumbor/PSNogQdJB6sYZlkM7RtbaSbH5gU=/207x0:5176x3313/1310x873/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49794941/usa-today-9327923.0.jpg>
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2016, 09:37:11 pm

8 hours ago  |  Discuss 

Bold Predictions: The Packers will have a Top 5 Defense

In 2015, the Green Bay Packers defense played well enough to get them into the playoffs despite the struggles of the offense. With a developing secondary and the most depth theyíve had at defensive line in years, I believe the Packers defense is about to become one of the better units in the entire league. Morgan Burnett and HaHa Clinton-Dix make up one of the top Safety combinations...

Via Packers Talk Radio Network
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on July 05, 2016, 10:58:15 pm
Bold Prediction: Monkeys will fly out of Don Majkowski's ass.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 06, 2016, 07:56:35 pm
That should be interesting, too.  LOL.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 07, 2016, 09:08:56 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/What-is-Packers-strongest-position-group/0dff0737-fb78-42b5-91fe-1dabee527beb
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 07, 2016, 09:22:43 pm
Count Washington receiver DeSean Jackson among the disgruntled.

ďThey still count me out,Ē Jackson said on Twitter, via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. ďWhat they thought I ainít Still one of the SiCcest Wideouts In Tha Game?? Jus watch & See They ainít Neva Love a Real one anyway My Family taken Care of 4 life & Ima continue 2 ball on they ass"

He'll  never be top100 in grammar.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on July 08, 2016, 04:50:29 am
That just hurt to read....
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on July 08, 2016, 07:50:56 am
Kind of like reading some of Otto or JJ's posts.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Dave23 on July 08, 2016, 12:42:08 pm
I hate this time of year...coming to the Bears board and seeing new posts in only the Politics thread and the GB sucks thread is the worst...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 08, 2016, 08:57:44 pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000535620/Can-t-Miss-Play-Jumbo-Elliott

One-handed int. by Jayrone Elliot.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 08, 2016, 09:29:27 pm
http://gnb.247sports.com/Bolt/WATCH-NFL-players-react-to-Aaron-Rodgers-Top-100-ranking-46152792?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=160708_141107_Green%20Bay%20Packers%20Newsletter&utm_content=Link

 Comments from players of other teams about Rodgers #6 ranking.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 08, 2016, 10:45:11 pm
Posted by Zac Jackson on July 8, 2016, 5:34 PM EDT

Ryan Nassib
AP

Giants backup quarterback Ryan Nassib is entering the biggest summer of his career.

Though heís never seen meaningful game action, Nassib has just one year left on his rookie contract. And with a number of teams searching for a long-term answer at quarterback, itís possible that Nassib, 26, could turn a solid preseason showing in 2016 into a chance to start for some other team in 2017...

N.B. Chicago Bear fans.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 09, 2016, 12:00:43 am
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Who-are-the-NFLs-top-10-players/abfc899a-6deb-4329-a9b6-fcd656ee9d21
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 09, 2016, 08:43:25 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Were-going-to-have-a-party-next-week/cc65b173-7f85-449e-acb0-9d8c271d9b9e
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 10, 2016, 09:03:48 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2016/07/08/jerry-kramer-lombardiave-talks-football-and-life-with-packers-great-part-i/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Jerry Kramer says Bart Starr was the toughest guy on the team.  Talks some about Bears.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 10, 2016, 11:16:57 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Sorry-Cliff-Bart-Starr-has-to-be-on-Mt-Rushmore/2606b71f-db37-45ba-b756-a40d31878dc2
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 10, 2016, 11:30:11 pm
(http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2016/07-july/160707-cliff-history-950.jpg)

Who was that masked man?  Why he is none other than the great Donald.  Hudson, not Trump.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 11, 2016, 11:52:13 am
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/The-big-news-Its-time-to-be-new/a4466328-3f69-43b2-9f68-1e4d971984ba
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 11, 2016, 07:51:31 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-player-feature/article-1/Countdown-to-Camp-Its-Brett-Hundleys-time-to-shine/2c2b6b19-2957-4145-80bc-045f3cc350da
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 13, 2016, 10:49:21 pm
Second Circuit denies Tom Brady's petition for rehearing
Oliver Thomas - 
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2016, 11:28:52 pm
Supreme Court next?
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 13, 2016, 11:40:24 pm
https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/753398111016321025?embed_source=clientlib&player_id=0&rpc_init=1&language_code=en
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 14, 2016, 06:06:38 pm
That might satisfy his determination but I doubt they would hear it.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 14, 2016, 06:40:10 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2016/07/13/green-bay-packers-2016-supplemental-draft-interview-wr-rashaun-simonise/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 14, 2016, 08:05:43 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Job-one-is-stop-the-run/2b7f2413-8917-43ea-a797-aa8885ee3150
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 15, 2016, 07:41:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C82M9uwX81M

Bad day for JJ, also.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 15, 2016, 07:49:28 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/Growth-will-define-Packers-season/dbf5874e-709d-4a0c-b09a-36e555aedaae
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 16, 2016, 09:49:23 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-ask-vic/article-1/I-am-the-fourth-head-Im-banned/a4a81e1e-e9fb-44ca-b37a-ee8dfb239975
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 17, 2016, 08:19:27 pm
http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1060799-aaron-rodgers-says-49ers-drafted-alex-smith-because-he-was-polite
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 17, 2016, 08:23:11 pm


Jared Cook, Richard Rogers Could Form Solid Tight End Combo

July 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm CST by Dallas Robinson


ēPackers general manager Ted Thompson went outside his comfort zone and signed an external free agent this offseason, inking tight end Jared Cook after he was released by the Rams, and Aaron Rodgers is hoping Cook and incumbent Richard Rogers can form a lethal combination. ďWe havenít figured that out yet,Ē Rodgers told Rob Reischel of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. ďObviously we havenít even put the pads on, so weíre just trying to work through it. Obviously when you have two tight ends on the field it creates a matchup problem, so weíll see where that goes.Ē Cook, who has never appeared in a playoff game during his NFL career, signed a one-year, $2.75MM deal with Green Bay that contains $900K in incentives.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 17, 2016, 08:26:03 pm

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Opinion: Should Packers Give Rodgers A Raise?

July 13th, 2016 at 3:30pm CST by Zach Links

After Andrew Luck became the highest-paid player in NFL history, should the Packers now give Aaron Rodgers a raise? Mike Florio of PFT notes that Rodgers Ė who has earned one Super Bowl MVP trophy and two league MVP awards Ė will earn just $12.6MM this year while Luck will be averaging $24MM+ per year in new money on his new pact.

Rodgers may be deserving of more money than the Colts QB, but what he lacks is leverage. Green Bay has Rodgers under team control for four more years with an average payout of about $17MM/year. The Packers certainly want to keep the face of their franchise happy, but thereís not much Rodgers can really do to force their hand.
ēRob Demovsky of ESPN.com says the Bears were smart to sign Danny Trevathan for more than just the obvious reasons. Sure, the former Denver linebacker will give Green Bayís front seven an immediate boost, but Chicago also took an appealing option away from Packers GM Ted Thompson. it also helps that the 26-year-old has experience playing in John Foxís defense, so there wonít be much of a learning curve for him as he joins a new team.
ēOn Tuesday, we learned that the Packers were one of six teams to meet with Supplemental Draft prospect Rashaun Simonise.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 17, 2016, 08:27:58 pm
QB salaries have become insane.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 18, 2016, 04:34:45 am
And they are going to hamstring their teams.  Rodger's salary is actually affordable and allows teams to build around him.  Watch how far the Colts go, and for that matter after some of the other names get paid...
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: wmljohn on July 19, 2016, 03:05:12 pm
Why should any team give a singed player anything based on what another player gets in the most recent negotiations?

If that player wants to be paid on par with what the current contacts are they could sign one year deals every year.  Then they could set the market every year.  Otherwise STFU and play for the contract you signed when you did.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: navigator on July 19, 2016, 09:12:13 pm
Rodgers deserves about $30m per year, I hope they renegotiate his deal and give it to him :-)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 21, 2016, 09:11:12 pm
I agree, nd no complaints from Rodgers.  (Applies to post 1529)
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 22, 2016, 08:09:03 pm
Tony Romo wants to play until he's the oldest quarterback in NFL history - SBNation.com
Yikes - the 36-year-old Romo said that he would love to be playing football ten years from now, according to comments he made to a Racine, Wisconsin newspaper (remember that he is a native of nearby Burlington).
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 22, 2016, 08:42:36 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-insider-inbox/article-1/Its-Brett-Hundleys-stage-this-summer/3befe0e4-8061-4e45-96ca-93362f2f81c0
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: packrat on July 22, 2016, 09:05:06 pm
MEET THE DRAFT PICKS
Training-camp storylines always hover around new players and just how they figure into the depth chart. The Packers added to an already deep and talented roster with a seven-man draft class.     



DT Kenny Clark, joined teammate DE Datone Jones (No. 26 overall, 2013) as the only UCLA defensive linemen to be selected in the first round of the draft since DT Manu Tuiasosopo in 1979 (No. 18 overall, Seattle). He was a team co-captain in 2015 and recorded career highs in tackles (75), sacks (six) and tackles for a loss (11), which earned him third-team All-America honors from The Associated Press and first-team All-Pacific-12 recognition from the coaches and media. Clark played in all 39 games in his three seasons at UCLA with 29 starts, finishing with 164 tackles (96 solo), seven sacks and 20.5 tackles for a loss.



The Packers selected T Jason Spriggs out of Indiana University in the second round. He joined T Rodger Saffold (St. Louis Rams, 2010, second round) and G Andrew Greene (Miami Dolphins, 1995, second round) as the only Indiana offensive linemen selected in the first two rounds of the draft since 1990. Spriggs was named first-team All-America by the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) and Phil Steeleís College Football as a senior. He also received the Hoosiersí Chris Dal Sasso Award (outstanding lineman) and was the first Outland Trophy semifinalist in school history. Spriggs played in 48 games over four seasons with 47 starts at left tackle for the Hoosiers.



Green Bay drafted LB Kyler Fackrell with its third-round selection, the first Utah State player to be picked by the Packers since DB Ed Berry in 1986 (seventh round). Fackrell was named first-team All-Mountain West as a senior in 2015 after ranking first in the nation with five fumble recoveries and posting a school-record 12 quarterback hurries. He ranked second on the Aggies with 82 tackles last season, including a team-high 15 tackles for a loss, along with four sacks and two forced fumbles. Fackrell became one of just 15 players in school history to earn first-team or second-team all-conference recognition three times during his career (2012-13, Ď15).



With the first of two fourth-round picks, the Packers selected LB Blake Martinez out of Stanford. He finished collegiate career with 257 tackles (137 solo), 13.5 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks, five interceptions and five forced fumbles in 51 games played. Martinez started all 27 games played in his final two seasons, leading the team in tackles as a junior (102) and senior (141). He led the Pacific-12 and ranked seventh nationally in tackles as a senior, averaging a conference-best 10.1 tackles per game. Martinezís 141 tackles were 84 more than the No. 2 tackler on the team. In 2015, he was named third-team All-America by The Associated Press, second-team All-America by USA Today and Phil Steeleís College Football, and first-team All-Pac-12 by AP and Phil Steeleís College Football.



Green Bayís second selection of the fourth round was DE Dean Lowry, the first defensive end from Northwestern to be picked since DE Corey Wootton was drafted by the Chicago Bears in 2010 (fourth round, No. 109 overall). He earned second-team All-Big Ten honors as a senior in 2015 after posting 46 tackles (27 solo), including 13.5 tackles for a loss (second on the team), three sacks, an interception, a fumble recovery and seven passes defensed. Lowry set a school single-game record and tied the sixth-best mark in conference history with six tackles for a loss in Northwesternís win at Nebraska last season.



The Packers drafted WR Trevor Davis out of California-Berkeley in the fifth round, joining QB Aaron Rodgers (2005), LB Desmond Bishop (2007) and TE Richard Rodgers (2014) as the fourth player from Cal selected by General Manager Ted Thompson. He began his collegiate career at the University of Hawaiíi (2011-12) before transferring to Cal (2013-15) where he totaled 2,300 all-purpose yards, registering 1,071 yards receiving and seven touchdown catches on 64 receptions (16.7 avg.), 1,110 yards on 45 kick returns (24.7 avg.) including two for touchdowns, and 115 yards on 14 punt returns (8.2 avg.). As a junior, he earned first-team All-Pac-12 honors at kick returner from Phil Steeleís College Football and second-team recognition from CollegeSportsMadness.com after ranking No. 2 nationally and leading the Pac-12 by averaging 32.6 yards per kickoff return, a school record.



With its final selection of the 2016 NFL Draft, Green Bay chose T Kyle Murphy out of Stanford in the sixth round. He played 54 games with 34 starts in four years and was part of a Stanford class that made a bowl appearance all four years and won three Pacific-12 titles (2012, 2013, 2015). Murphy was named third-team All-America by Phil Steeleís College Football as a senior after serving as a team captain and starting all 14 games at left tackle. He was a member of an offensive line that finished in the top three among Pac-12 teams in sacks allowed in all four of his seasons.
Title: Re: Green Bay sucks
Post by: Pekin on July 23, 2016, 08:38:35 am
NFL insists players named in PED report must give interviews

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 22, 2016, 6:04 PM EDT


The NFL is not backing down on its insistence that the players named in an Al Jazeera documentary about performance-enhancing drugs must agree to interviews as part of the leagueís investigation.

The players involved are Packers linebackers Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews, Steelers linebacker James Harrison and free agent (and former Packer) Mike Neal. Peyton Manning is