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General Category => Archives => Topic started by: Dave23 on September 21, 2016, 02:21:38 pm
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Because it's never too soon...
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Top QB prospects:
DeShaun Watson - Clemson
Deshone Kizer - Notre Dame
Brad Kaaya - Miami
Chad Kelly - Ole Miss
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I think we need a CB to replace Fuller before a QB. I am not enamored with any of those QBs
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Not that I don't agree we need a CB.....but we need a QB, and toot sweet.
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The top 2 CB's right now are probably Marlon Humphrey at Bama and Jalen Tabor at Florida.
Chad Kelly and Ole Miss picked on Humphrey relentlessly last Saturday, with great success. Doesn't change the fact that he's a great CB prospect...Kelly and his WR's are great.
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Doesn't it seem this topic gets started earlier and earlier every year...my sick and tired is sick and tired....if I drank, it would be a lot after watching this team...
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Sporty, you watch this team and don't drink? You are a far far better man than I. ;)
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Sporty isn't the only one in that category
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Me too, except I only get a few games per year.
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Category of "Better man than boogie?" - or non-drinker?
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I believe the category is non-drinker.
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Category of "Better man than boogie?" - or non-drinker?
....rimshot.....
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It's gotten to the point I may have to take up shooting heroin in order to watch this team. I wonder if they would be better or worse on heroin???
JJ...
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JJ lol! So what are you saying D?... :D
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Thank God beer is not the gateway drug to heroin.....just saying. ;)
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Chad Kelly
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Well the heroin experiment introduced to HALAS HALL has fell flat on it's ass ...
NEXT UP : METHEDRINE !!
And copious quantity's of coffee.
Maybe FOX and the coaching staff should hang out at Star Bucks before the game.
A morning cuppa joe can always make the day work out right !!! ;D
BEARRSSE !!!
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Never too soon to start brushing up:
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/10/03/2017-nfl-draft-updated-big-board/
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I still think the ND QB is overrated. He is Cutler with more athleticism. Kizer is just as bad throwing interceptions. I don't want to see the Bears draft him high in the 1st.
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Not impressed so far on the one game I'VE seen of Kizer, Watson and the Louisville guy.
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What was it about Lamar Jackson that you found to be not impressive?
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method, what do you think of Kaaya?
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Method
Jackson is short, so he would need a lot of Russell Wilson in him to succeed. He was late on a lot of passes and lost his composure. He did have moments of greatness but you don't get that many second chances in the NFL
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They said the Louisville guy is 190 pounds, about Michael Vicks height. That is awful light to take a pounding that he will take. Wilson is same height but he is thickly built. I don't know about this...
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method, what do you think of Kaaya?
I havent had the chance to see him play against good competition this year. what little i saw he looks sharper then last year.
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Most mocks have him pretty firmly entrenched in the top 3, along with Watson and Kizer. I haven't seen him yet this year.
If the Bears somehow ended up with the #1 overall, I think I'd prefer Myles Garrett at the top, and Chad Kelly at the top of Round 2. Garrett is just so good.
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Question: How good is Jake Browning? Washington is 5-0 and destroyed Stanford.
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1. Cleveland Browns (100/1, 0-3): DeShone Kizer, QB Notre Dame
Kizer wasn’t the consensus top quarterback heading into the season — and probably isn’t now — but with his particular blend of size and arm strength he should make a great case for the coveted spot of QB1. The Browns passed on Carson Wentz, and although they subscribe to trust the process, it will be tough to keep trusting as other teams are grabbing the top quarterbacks.
2. Chicago Bears (500/1, 0-3): Deshaun Watson, QB Clemson
The Bears didn’t find themselves drafting quite this high in preseason mock drafts, and luckily for them they have who was thought of as the best quarterback prospect in this class sitting here waiting to be selected. The Bears are ready to move on from the Jay Cutler era with Watson.
3. Jacksonville Jaguars (400/1, 0-3): Myles Garrett, EDGE Texas A&M
While they may not seem like they have their quarterback, Blake Bortles will still have some leash even if this season goes bad fast. With two quarterbacks gone already, the Jaguars get the top defender on the board in Garrett, who could be a force rushing the passer from anywhere in the front seven.
4. San Francisco 49ers (400/1, 1-2): Brad Kaaya, QB Miami (FL)
Apologies to Blaine Gabbert and Colin Kaepernick, but if Chip Kelly has a chance to take a quarterback he has to do it. Kaaya hasn’t had the moments Kizer and Watson have, but has the tools to be very effective if he can translate them into real production.
Here is the link, with a nice breakdown if you click on the players name: http://www.todayspigskin.com/nfl-draft/nfl-mock-draft-edge-players-dominate-round-one/
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I watched a bit of Washington/Oregon and wasn't impressed with Washington. Their Oline keeps Browning clean.
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Right now they have 3 of the first 4 picks being QBs?
Not going to happen.
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Why?
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I really am becoming a Patrick Mahomes fan. I don't see any major weaknesses. I'd grab him in the 2nd round hands down. My early draft would look something like this.
1) a CB Could be Marlon Humphrey, Adoree Jackson or Desmond King.I'm leaning towards Jackson because of his blazing speed.
2) Patrick Mahomes (QB) of Texas Tech.
3) Mason Cole (LT) Michigan
4) I believe we have 2 picks. I'd go OL and TE.
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While a CB would be a high choice for me my first choice is that pass rusher from Texas AM or somewhere down there. Stud. I suppose were he gone then CB. The defense definitely needs a boost as a pass rusher. Floyd looks like a bust. Good pass rushers are hard to come by.
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www.fanspeak.com, using their player db...
3: R1P3
EDGE MYLES GARRETT
TEXAS A&M
35: R2P3
CB MARLON HUMPHREY
ALABAMA
67: R3P3
QB PATRICK MAHOMES II
TEXAS TECH
105: R4P3
TE EVAN ENGRAM
MISSISSIPPI
126: R4P24
OT JON HECK
NORTH CAROLINA
145: R5P3
S TONY CONNER
MISSISSIPPI
221: R7P3
CB SHAQ WIGGINS
LOUISVILLE
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That would be a pretty sweet draft.
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I'm thinking;
1) Adoree Jackson (CB) USC
2) Patrick Mahomes (QB) Texas Tech
3) Mason Cole (OT) Michigan
4) Jeremy Sprinkle (TE) Arkansas
4) Dan Skipper (OT) Arkansas raw prospect,but,has very good speed for a guy 6'10" and 330lbs. He can really motivate to the 2nd level.
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joki, you are picking a C with our first pick? Is that because you think Pace will screw up the first pick, or that Grasu/Whitehair are not good enough to play C?
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first-pick.com...2 trade downs, from 5 to 8, and then from 8 to 11...
Your score is: 9405 (GRADE: B+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11 (N.O.): Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 5: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (B)
Round 2 Pick 8 (CINN): O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 11 (N.O.): Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (A-)
Round 3 Pick 5: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 8 (CINN): Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA (B+)
Round 4 Pick 9 (IND): Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 23: Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida (A)
Round 5 Pick 5: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
Round 5 Pick 9 (IND): Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Jake Elliott, K, Memphis (C+)
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boogie that's meant to be CB. We need to walk away from this draft with a starting OT,CB and QB.I think I covered it.
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Ok thanks. I am not familiar with Jackson, but I agree we need all three of those positions.
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I would like to see what Deondre Hall's development will be before I say CB high.
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I think the idea is to part with Fuller
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I think Hall could shift pretty seamlessly to FS if need be...
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Well, Hall is hurt right now. This would be an excellent chance for him to replace Porter who I think is also out.
CB is a huge hole on this team right now. If Fuller and Hall and Floyd and McPhee come back we can better assess which position is the biggest need...CB or OLB.
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1) Cam Robinson (OT) the best in a weak crop of tackles.
2) Sidney Jones (CB)
3)Patrick Mahomes (QB)
4) Jeremy Sprinkle (TE)
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While many teams are looking toward the playoffs, there are a handful of teams which can focus their attention on the 2017 NFL Draft. And for the ones looking for quarterbacks, the pool may have gotten a bit shallower.
According to Antonio Morales of the Jackson Clarion-Ledger, Ole Miss quarterback Chad Kelly suffered a torn ACL and torn lateral meniscus in his right knee during Saturday’s win over Georgia Southern. He’ll have surgery this week, starting the clock on a rehab that will take him well into the pre-draft process.
The nephew of former Bills quarterback Jim Kelly, he led the SEC in total offense this season, with 2,758 passing yards and another 332 rushing yards and five touchdowns.
He had some off-field issues during his stay at Clemson and was dismissed from the team in 2014. He also was involved in a bar fight in Buffalo, after enrolling at Ole Miss.
He would have been one of the top senior quarterback prospects in this year’s draft, and what was already thought to be a thin class at the position. He has the kind of talent which will still get him drafted, and force teams looking for a passer to dig into a group of underclassmen.
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How about we get this QB - and Harbaugh in a package deal?
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110516aah.html
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NO thanks ;D
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1) Mike McGlinchey (OT)
2) Sidney Jones (CB)
3) Patrick Mahomes (QB)
4a) Budda Baker (FS)
4b) Quincy Wilson (CB)
5) Jeremy Sprinkle (TE)
7) Kermit Whitfield (WR)
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UNC QB Mitch Trubisky is worth watching on ESPN right now...
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Saw him in some of last week's game. He was impressively accurate.
Better than the more highly regarded guys I've seen this year.
Is Chad Kelly out for the year? heard he had a knee injury. Is he a senior?
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Yeah, Kelly tore his ACL...and yes, he's a senior...and I'd still take him if we miss out on the top guys.
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I figure the other teams needing a QB to be Browns, Jets, 49ers. That should leave several options for us.
However at the back end of the first round teams could look for successor QB's like the Cardinals, Saints, Denver.
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Denver drafted Paxton Lynch in round 1...I'd be surprised if they got another QB in round 1.
What I don't understand is why the 3-5 Rams aren't playing Jared Goff...at all. Are they expecting Case Keenum to turn things around or is Goff so bad that they are embarrassed about putting him on the field?
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I have the same questions about the Vikings and Laquon Treadwell...
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He's a 4.63 40 guy...and now they're surprised why he can't get separation?
Jeffery is no speedster but he ran in the mid 4.4s.
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Treadwell plays...he's number 11.
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CHICAGO BEARS are a very young cherry team ...
you think everyone doesn't know that about us ?
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Where's Rusty Jones when we need him for Strength & Conditioning coach ?
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Interesting read. I guess the Bears have been scouting QBs
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-future-bears-quarterbacks-spt-1113-20161112-story.html#nt=oft02a-1gp4
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For Joki:
Enjoy Patrick Mahomes while you've got him, Red Raider fans
As if Texas Tech's offensive line and defense weren't incentive enough, Mahomes was just ranked the second-best quarterback for the 2017 draft by ESPN's Mel Kiper. On top of that, Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy compared Mahomes to Dak Prescott.
Do you think citing the biggest rookie success story in Cowboys history was Gundy's subtle way of suggesting Mahomes might like to turn pro?
For the record: Mahomes is more athletic than Prescott. How do we know? He doesn't even need to set up properly to deliver the ball on target, and with something on it. Of course, it doesn't mean he'll have the same success, at least not right away. Prescott inherited a unique situation, and he has great intangibles.
But Mahomes is a smart kid, too. Honor student, in fact. He has three games left this season, maybe four if he can figure out a way to win two of the next three against Oklahoma State, Iowa State and Baylor.
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That was a good read. Trubisky looks like the cream of the crop. Kizer is big but only 20, Watson is not so big and not so accurate. I am intrigued about Mahomes. Anyone seen him play?
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I've seen about 8 games featuring Mahomes. He is the #1 QB in terms of passing yardage.A lot of TDs and he can run the ball effectively. What amazes me most is his improvisation skills which he needs with the crappy OL he plays behind. He can scramble and throw across his body with accuracy and power.Amazing arm. If he played for big name college he could easily be the 1st QB taken. He's the only QB whose team can score 55 pts. and still lose. Maybe we take him with our 2nd rounder if he's still there. Better than all the rest.
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Mahomes is the guy. We need him.
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Mahomes will be on TV today at 3:30 ET against Iowa State on FS1, Dish 150 if interested.
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Well apparently Mahomes was injured last week and he reinjured himself and wasn't himself when he came back today. Cant say what the problem is but his value has just went down. Doesn't look better than what we already have.
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Jake Elliott, either in the 7th or as an UDFA...Connor Barth isn't cutting it for me...
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Looks like we need a whole new Oline
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This year...yes. Next year...not really.
We'll have Grasu back to provide depth for Whitehair, Sitton and Long. Leno is not a pro bowler but rarely gets any credit for very solid play at the toughest spot on the O-line. Massie could be upgraded with a 3rd or 4th round right tackle type eventually. We need someone to replace Adams.
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who are the players considered the top 2 picks? looks like we will be getting one.
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I haven't followed a lot of college ball but the kid down here from A&M is still on a lot of draft lists. Could be the next Von Miller who was also an Aggie. Myles Garrett. Built more like our Floyd.
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Garrett is great. He would be hard to pass on if he was there for us.
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Reach for a QB or take Garrett. Always the quandry
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Take a QB or trade back.
Floyd looks like the real deal.
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The draft picture isn't clear right now. While a QB is desireable, this isn't a great QB draft. To me it really depends on what Cleveland does in front of us. I am not sure they don't trade down. And I don't really see a Carson Wentz waiting to be drafted. Trading back isn't such a bad idea. That gets you more picks and we have so many holes both offensive and defensive. I am truly intrigued by Mahomes, but don't see 1st round value after his injury. I am sorry to say I didn't see him play preinjury. I am sure they are protecting Mahomes value by keeping his injury status silent. But I am sure it will come out sooner or later. I am just not enamored with Kizer or others and wouldn't waste a pick on them. The idea of a QB at #2 in the draft is a fail for sure.
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Has anyone seen Cal's QB, Davis Webb, play?
I hear he's rising up the charts.
What does everyone think of Trubisky? I've read that he would have been a 2nd rounder in last year's draft, which worries me a little.
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Trubisky scares me. I haven't seen him play but this is his first year. He may not come out. There just isn't enough tape on him, but if he comes out somebody will take a g@mble on him
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Davis Webb isn't spectacular but decent. You might want to watch Virginia Tech's Evans. Looks like they will play in the ACC title game. I was kinda impressed with him against ND.
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From I am reading, it appears there are no great choices. I guess if there were we would need to be drafting number 1 and Cleveland is locked into that spot right now - don't see that changing.
I am not sold on Garapolo, and New England is going to want a lot. Plus he got injured and is not a big QB. I wonder if the Jags would part with Bortles and I wonder if he is worth it? Would would it take to pry him away?
Or we could draft a QB in the 2-4 round and keep Cutler...
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I heard Hub talking about Garapolo. He said NE would want 2 #1'a plus another pick. Just too much. Wouldn't do it. Better try drafting one and not with the 3rd pick either. If someone decent was around in round 4 then maybe go for it. There are going to be some FAs this year too.
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I want to throw this out there for discussion. Maybe this will sound crazy but here it goes. Western Michigan from where we plucked Braverman in the 7th round last year is 12-0. They must be doing something right in nearby Zoo town. Maybe we should draft their QB, who I haven't seen play, with a late pick. He must be decent if he can beat Big 10 teams. And the Big 10 is one of the strongest conferences this year.
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Zach Terrell redshirt senior 6-2 204
Has thrown for 30 TDs....and ONE interception all year.
Small...but with intangibles.
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I want to say they play Ohio for the MAC championship Saturday. Then maybe a bowl game. Be nice to get a look at him.
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I wasn't so impressed by Jabril Peppers Saturday, although an analyst I heard said he had a great game.
Kizer looked a lot like Cutler to me, just more athletic and less arm.
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Yes Kizer does remind me of Cutler.
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I was listening to something on Sunday that mentioned a QB at Washington that was playing well, but not getting the coverage because he played at Washington? Any thoughts on this - know who this is?
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I'm a Irish fan and don't want to see Kizer on this team...if that says anything...no thanks
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The Washington QB is Browning. I watched him once and wasn't impressed. He has a good OLine for sure.
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He is a Sophomore I believe.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2017/QB
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I found this "what if" interesting:
@patrickfinley @Suntimes Does Cutler, if IR'd this season, have any NFL market what-so-ever?
— Chris Holterhaus (@ChoneRaslen) November 29, 2016
Yup. Presuming the Redskins keep Kirk Cousins, Cutler would be the best free agent quarterback available if the Bears let him go. Other candidates: Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Case Keenum. Yuck. I bet Cutler could land a starting job, given the league-wise quarterback scarcity.
Presuming the Redskins keep Kirk Cousins OK but it doesn't look like Cutler is going to be IR'd. The other what if is what happens if Cousins and the Redskins cant reach a contract agreement? Would the Bears bite?
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And yeah I know all bears bite. ;D
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They won't let Cousins go, there's always the franchise tag
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This draft QB class sucks. I heard a draft analysis say the teams hoping to draft a QB better hope some declare early and the underclassmen aren't that much better.
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That jives with my observations
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If that's the case then you don't want to overpay the #1 pick if he's not a QB.
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No it means there are no QBs worthy of being a #1 pick, not just overpaying one.
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The first pick in the draft gets the biggest bucks. If that guy is a potential franchise QB such as Goff (2016), Jameis Winston (2015), Andrew Luck(2012) or Cam Newton (2011) recently then you probably feel better about it
But what if the best guy at #1 is not a QB and in Cleveland's case you really need a QB. Do you want to pay a lineman #1 money?
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I'm totally in favor of a trade down for as many picks as we can get. No QBs in the 1st as they are not worth the consideration. A straight draft for me would look something like this:
1) Adoree Jackson (CB)
2) Mike McGlinchey (OT) I'd be crossing my fingers he was still on the board. If not Mason Cole (OT).
3) Patrick Mahomes (QB) or Mason Rudolph (QB)
4) Jeremy Sprinkle (TE)
4) Dan Skipper (OT)
5) Kermit Whitfield (WR)
7) probably another QB prospect?
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Joki, what was Mahomes's injury problem?
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Wshfl, a supposed shoulder sprain on his throwing side suffered against Kansas. He played the following week against WV and looked bad.I could tell something wasn't right. He's looked better lately,but,maybe not the same.All I know is he's a gamer with all the talent in the world.Put him behind a competent line and he'll be a world beater.
With our first pick which should be a top three we need to trade down for multiple picks in the top half of the draft.If I were GM we'd walk away with (2) OTs , (2) CBs , (1) TE and probably (2) QBs.
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IMO the best players at need positions in this year's draft are;
LT - Mike McGlinchey more consistent than Cam Robinson and gives a better push in the run game
CB - Adoree Jackson there are others with equal resumes,but,he's got the speed factor
QB - Patrick Mahomes w/o a doubt. No weaknesses other than he's been injured. Great recognition skills , is a threat to run the ball , a strong arm that can make throws across his body. Great TD to Int ratio.
TE - O.J.Howard playmaking TE with VG speed at his position.
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Joki, what about Trubisky? Isnt the only negative on him he has only done it for one year?
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I've only seen Mahomes play once (against the Longhorns dreadful defense). I'd like to see how he looks outside of Kingsbury's gimmick Texas TEch offense.
Tech has a history of QBs that put up huge numbers in college but fizzled in the pros: Graham Harrell, Billy Joe Tolliver and even their coach Kliff Kingsbury. Mahomes appears to have more going for him than all these guys but don't put too much into the stats.
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I tried to watch Rudolph today but game not on my TV. Also Bronny Woo Woo ruined my look at Western Michigan which was unbelievably on Friday night.
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I'm hoping to think that Deshaun Watson is top pick worthy after tonight.
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Cordrea Tankersley just made a sweet pick...he's one of the top CB prospects in the draft.
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I see the games that interest me most are the Rose Bowl and the Cotton Bowl
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/cfb-playoff-four-no-arguments-here-plus-top-10-bowl-matchups/
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I've heard that unlike last year, this year is a banner year for TEs with maybe 5 going in the 1st round and with Miller's injury plus age it may be advantageous to "stock up". How high do we need to be? Good question.
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Looks to me like QB and DB needs would trump taking a TE high.
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If say this were like last year I would agree with QB, but IMHO there isn't a QB worthy of a high #1 pick. Values will be found later in the draft at QB. Plus I feel we have some interesting pieces that need better evaluation such as Barkley and Shaw. If I were Pace I wouldn't go crazy drafting a QB high. And even a moron knows that the higher we draft a QB the greater will be fan pressure for that QB to start next year. I don't want to see that pressure.
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OJ Howard, Jake Butt, and Evan Engram are all Round 1-3 guys.
Both guys in the Clemson/Va Tech game this past weekend are also highly regarded...Leggett and Hodges.
I'm sure there are others I'm missing...
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Wishfl, I'm not advocating taking QB with a top 5 pick unless possibly Trubisky.
I am thinking a defense player 1 and QB round 2 which doesn't leave room for tight end until about round 3.
That also depends on deciding if we need a RT. Massie has been playing better but we'll see there.
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I am not sure I'd even take a QB as high as 2nd round. I believe 3rd or 4th is more realistic due to quality. I think that where a player is taken will depend heavily upon the combine results. Even were Pace to have a QB of interest he likes now he will want to see how that QB performs at the combine. Unless somebody wows the combine I just don't see some team g@mbling early. I just don't see top 10 value out of this QB class.
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Is the book out on Carson Wentz? 2-7 since they started 3-0
Remember he was the September flavor QB picks scare me
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Me too. Its like fools gold. Looks good and you think you have a million, but then when they fall apart you've wasted a pick and a ton of cash
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Its a total craap shoot. Now if we just knew who would be the next Dak Prescott we would be set. ;)
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LOL, no...
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Matt Barkley would be Dak with that OLine.
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Yet Romo is pretty much Cutler behind that O-line...
I feel like Romo and Cutler are pretty much the same QB with small differences.
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Really? I never thought of Romo as having a cannon for an arm.
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Romo is much better than Cutler.
If nothing else, check their career, as well as year-by-year passer ratings...
It's not really even that close.
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Talk to Cowboy fans most of them hate Romo just like Bears fans tend to not like Cutler. Both talented guys who tend to get hurt to much and can't get the team over the top.
Romo has had better talent around him then Cutler has for the most part. That is the reason for the numbers. The Cowboy fans I know are loving Prescott and are glad Romo is on his way out.
Plus they are both just unlikeable.
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The few games I have seen, Romo seems really hard to sack.
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Dak has some wheels...he's almost like having an extra halfback when he takes off.
Romo was very productive pretty much behind that same offensive line - think back to 2014 and the team they had when they went to Green Bay and lost the game on the Bryant "catch". That was an very good team.
Romo has been very productive over the years but what this kid is doing now is crazy. Most Cowboy fans do not hate Romo, but everybody is on the Prescott bandwagon - even non-Cowboy fans.
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Todd McShay says the Bears will take Jabril Peppers.
He does a lot of things well - but we really need a guy to make interceptions.
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While Peppers at Safety would interest me. I am getting more concerned with the receiver position. With the unsettled status for Jeffery in 2017 and the health and ability of Kevin White, the receiver position looks pretty bleak no matter who winds up being the starting QB. I don't know who is out there who is outstanding, but we need a couple more bonifide receiver threats. And I wouldn't bank on futures contracts on those CFL refuges they brought in for tryouts. Marques Wilson hasn't shown much either.
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Didn't Wilson get over 100 yards receiving against the Titans? He can play when healthy but now it looks like he somehow injured his foot in practice and IR is a possibility. Incredible.
I'd sign him for next year but we can't count on him. I think David Terrell had foot problems that ended his career.
We've got to sign Jeffery. And hope the walking wounded receivers Wilson, White and Royal can stay healthy next season.
We've got bigger needs than WR (unless Jeffery walks) but I could see us drafting one in the 4th or 5th. With Wilson out maybe we get to see what Braverman can do. He had a nice catch last Sunday that was called back due to penalty.
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The article I read didn't tout the possibility of Jeffery being back. Look at the numbers. One 100 yard receiving game, one touchdown and suspended 4 games. Wilson hurt again. Royal hurt every week. White always hurt. What have we got? And the cap is going to go up 10 Mil so everybody is going to have cap to sign a player like Jeffery. All it takes is one willing to out bid the Bears
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No way do I bring Royal back. Always hurt, and how much $ have we given him? I think I read he gets $5 mil, or was that for this year. Either way, pass.
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I was listening to a WBBM sports broadcast and it said Marques Wilson has a broken left foot. This is the 3rd time in a year he has broken the same foot. Looks like he is done. Next man up.
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Seriously, whole milk at Halas Hall. WTF, how many broken bones have we had???? And I pass on Wilson who cant stay healthy as well. I would hire some dairy farmers from WI to supply the training table at Halas Hall tom, and hope for the best.
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1. Shutdown CB
2. OLine
3. S
4. DT
5. WR
6. CB
7. WR
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Hiber
You can't go wrong with an offensive lineman taken at the top of round 2, but I like our guys. Figure we'll get Long back and Grasu maybe can learn to play backup guard. I like our tackles. Yeah, Leno gave up one sack to Peppers but you figure Barkley went back to pass 43 times and that was the only sack of the day.
We need to upgrade Unrein and Akiem Hicks is only signed thru next year. Always could use another edge guy as Lamar Houston probably won't be back. And of course safety is a black hole for this team.
Not enough picks to fill our holes - we'll again be active in free agency.
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1. Shutdown CB
2. OLine
3. S
4. DT
5. WR
6. CB
7. WR
Hiber,
Yep. Once again Aaron Rodgers beat us at our own game.
60 plus yards to Jordy Nelson to set up the win.
Your pick #1 is a MUST THAT CAN ACTUALLY STAY HEALTHY FOR 16 GAMES !!
Whens the last time BEARS had that at CB ?
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JJ,
A young Tillman.
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It looks crystal clear that somebody other than us fans see the draft picture clear:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bears-secondary-offseason-changes-spt-1220-20161219-column.html#nt=oft02a-1gp4
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And yet the Bears are 6th in the league in passing yards.
Just goes to show most other teams have the same problem.
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And the DBs did OK for most of the game against the pass. There were plenty of times Rodgers had no where to go. Take away that last 60 yarder and Rodgers is under 200 yards. I'm hoping Fuller can go but that doesn't look to promising - maybe Hall will get on the field besides just STs. You'd like to see what those guys can do before the end of the season.
As for safety, people say put AMOS as SS. Well, when was the last time you saw the Bears play a safety in the box? They can't. The CBs are so weak they have the safeties play 30 yards off the LOS. If we get a top notch CB then we could be more aggressive with our safeties.
Since this is the draft topic...Bears could go any number of positions and not have to reach on any particular one. DB, QB, OT, OLB and I guess WR if Jeffery goes. Its kind of early to predict the draft but right now trade down looks like the best option for us.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2017-chicago-bears-seven-round-001618151.html;_ylt=AwrTccLg5llYprYAEwAnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEyOHVjcmp2BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDQjI2ODNfMQRzZWMDc3I-
This draft suits me
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It addresses the proper needs with logic.
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Well, needs don't always line up with value. It's a start for a mock in December.
Didn't like the remark about our tackles:
The Chicago Bears need a lot of help at offensive tackle, that much is certain.
I'd like to see what Collinsworth's PFF ratings are on our 2 guys. They aren't pro bowl but a guy taken in round 4 won't be either. But we do have a need for a 3rd tackle - that much is certain!
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Yeah, Leno isn't near as bad as Massie. But Massie got better as the season went along I believe. Massie sure wasn't pro bowl quality in Arizona. He had problems there.
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Strangely Barkley has had good protection while Cutler did not.
If the OT's have improved the past several weeks we may not need one first 3 rounds.
This year is supposed to be weak for OT anyway.
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This year is supposed to be weak for OT anyway.
That's the story I hear too.
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Well, we should be at #3 now...
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If they could trade down inside the top 10 they could get a first rate corner, a safety and possibly one of the higher QB prospects.
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I believe that is too optimistic. Its really difficult to say how good any of these prospects are until after the bowl games and combine are over. My $64 question is how many of these IR's that we have are we going to bring back or replace? We have to wait till the dust settles at Halas Hall.
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I believe that is too optimistic. Its really difficult to say how good any of these prospects are until after the bowl games and combine are over. My $64 question is how many of these IR's that we have are we going to bring back or replace? We have to wait till the dust settles at Halas Hall.
Didn't we draft a CENTER who has never played ?
Isn't this TYPICAL of a KEVIN WHITE who DISSAPEARS every year ?
WTF ??
WTF ???
What the fuuck ladies and gentlemen ?
We NEED PLAYERS ! Son's of **** that boot up and take to the field !
Shiit heeled scoundrels that KNOW ONE THING :
I put on a BEARRSSE uniform ... I don't get paid if I don't perform !
Not the HALAS HALL current mentality that sez take it easy. :'(
It's a steady paycheck without showing up ....... FUUCK YOU !!
GO BEARRSSE !!
WAKE UP !!!
There's alot going on here that the CHICAGO BEARS have been in the process of trying to find out ... that the OAKLAND RAIDERS have already found out. That's where we need to be in 2017. ;D
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With one more game to go it looks like the Bears will be drafting 3rd. The best pick they can get is the 2nd and the worst is the 6th just taking a quick glance at it.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/226433/projected-2017-nfl-draft-order-browns-clinging-to-top
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Hoping for a loss so we pick third. Just saying.
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Egads
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-draft-order-20161226-story.html#nt=oft02a-1li3
How confusing. Bears just need to lose.
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For all you QB hungry posters, read and weep: There will be some special defenders for the Bears to consider early in the 2017 draft. The Bears can’t pass up a potential Day 1 in starter in favor of a quarterback with question marks.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-twitter-qa-looking-long-term-at-left-tackle-quarterback/
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Forget drafting a QB or whatever because the Bears have been horrible at it, give me something to look at on the field...
cheerleaders, :D
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From Biggs's mailbag:
Are any of the quarterbacks worth a top-4 pick? -- @geoman52
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder or in this case in the eye of the teams drafting in the top four. The Bears have a good chance to own the No. 3 or No. 4 pick in the draft and will do exhaustive work on the draft-eligible quarterbacks. This is the one position that is consistently overdrafted because of supply and demand. It’s hard to say how high Clemson’s Deshaun Watson or Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer will be selected at this point. Both are headed to the draft and most believe North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky will declare for the draft. He’s another strong possibility. Let’s keep one thing in mind: Nearly every team near the top of the draft has a desperate need for a quarterback. Teams in the mix for the top six are the Browns, 49ers, Bears, Jaguars, Jets and Titans (who own the Rams’ pick). If you’re not a believer in Blake Bortles at this point (and that’s a dwindling crowd), every team but the Titans will be in the market for a quarterback. That’s before a team outside of the top six considers a trade up for a quarterback. So the Bears are going to have plenty of competition when it comes to finding a quarterback to guide the franchise into the future.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/blog/ct-2017-nfl-draft-quarterback-bears-mailbag-20161228-story.html#nt=oft02a-1li3
Personally, not knowing who is going to be available at #3 such as at a defensive position of greater need, I might be enticed to drop down to around 10 and pick up enough to get back into the bottom of the first with my 2nd or 3rd and go for a QB then if I liked a specific one. Right now I am not enamored with any I have seen so far.
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4 BEARSE QB's in pre-season and during the season :
What did you see from them and how would you rank them ?
JCut
Shaw
Hoyer
Barkley
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They were all fairly equal. Each had good and bad moments and lots of losses.
Hoyer had the least bad plays but also no upside.
I feel Shaw has the most upside and chance of being something special but could also be a dud because we only saw him in limited time in preseason.
Cutler has the most talent on display but costs the most.
Barkley has accuracy and has displayed some skill but has also turned the ball over at an alarming rate and has his whole career.
Cutler right now is the best of the bunch but he is very expensive for marginally better play.
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And don't look for QB help from the draft, at least not early. I haven't seen anything special. I will continue to look this week, maybe Rudolph will interest me or Trubisky.
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In the preseason Shaw played circles around Cutler ANS Hoyer. I would have loved to see him in some real games. Barkley has some talents that Cutler does not, and costs a boat load less. I go into next year with Shaw/Barkley/Rookie. Unless you want to shoot for Garapolo/Romo/Cousins. I would probably pick Cousins out of that bunch.
And dont get me started on the conspiracy theory that Barkley is turning the ball over to ensure we dont lose our draft pick.....
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Lets just suppose for sadness sake that maybe Pace's choice gets taken right before the Bears pick in the draft and we have to go with Shaw, Barkley and someone else. Could that someone be David Fales? Nobody has given this kid a real tryout. I know that probably wouldn't not replace the Aaron Rodgers hopefuls, but when you look at our potential receiver roster we don't really have a good bunch that is going to concern a rival defensive coordinator with the exception of Jeffery. And don't say White either because IMHO he is as much toast as Jeffery. My point is that even if you had an Aaron Rodgers he wouldn't be better than what we have with the poor receivers we have. Expecting a huge turnaround with what we have is pie in the sky. We really need receivers before we get that stud QB. I think a Shaw with some quality receivers could get the job done.
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You got it backwards. You get the QB first then you get the wide receivers.
Assuming everybody comes back next year we've got a decent group of WRs in Jeffery, Meridith, Thompson, and White. If Marquess Wilson or Royal come back it's a bonus. And Bellamy is a nice guy to have as a 6th WR. I am wondering why Braverman hasn't been given more opportunities. But we need a Cole Beasley slot guy. We have so many other needs at other positions that I don't see the Bears spending anything more than a 6th or 7th round pick here.
Now if the Bears do something stupid and let Jeffery walk then WR moves to a much higher priority in the draft and free agency. Sign him to a 3 year deal and go after the other positions of need.
An even though he's not a WR a healthy Miller will also improve the receiving core. We still need to find his successor. Not yet sure of Daniel Brown.
And Fales has played in the PS and not impressed not nearly as much as Shaw. If he's not beating the Bears DBs in practice you think he's going to beat real NFL corners?
And Aaron Rodgers just with Meridith and Jeffery would put up big numbers. Are you kidding?
Getting the right QB is the most difficult spot in the NFL to fill.
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You got it backwards. You get the QB first then you get the wide receivers.
Maybe that's why the Bears continue to fail because they cant properly evaluate what they have.
Assuming everybody comes back next year we've got a decent group of WRs in Jeffery, Meridith, Thompson, and White. If Marquess Wilson or Royal come back it's a bonus. And Bellamy is a nice guy to have as a 6th WR. I am wondering why Braverman hasn't been given more opportunities. But we need a Cole Beasley slot guy. We have so many other needs at other positions that I don't see the Bears spending anything more than a 6th or 7th round pick here.
Cant assume that at all. That assumption isn't valid.
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I would vote to dump Wilson and Royal. Cant stay healthy. White gets another year based on his potential, lets see if he can stay healthy. And i find it interesting that they were talking about bringing White back off IR at the end of the year, and since Fuller didnt, not a peep about White. I wonder why....
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Probably isn't mentally ready like Fuller
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Yeah but they were saying he was working hard and really chomping at the bit to come back. Something stinks on this one.
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Maybe he might help them win the last game and they didn't want that....ya think?
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Or maybe coming off his second broken leg they thought it safer to see how it goes in training camp with the additional healing time.
I think the smart move is to sign Jeffrey, even if it's overpaying a little, and sign a veteran free agent as depth.
Consider themselves lucky to get Tankersly or Tabor in the first and see what's there at QB at the top of the second. Safety in the third.
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As of today, I have no interest in any QB before round 4 or 5. If Chad Kelly was there at the start of round 5, he would be a steal there.
I hope the Skins are dumb enough to let Cousins walk. I'd throw bank at him, and use our first two picks to get BPA and best CB available, then continue filling holes from there.
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CBS has us investing in the Domer in the 1st. UGH! No thanks. Wasted again.
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How old is that mock draft?
Most of the updated ones are less QB heavy.
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I didn't look. Am watching OK St/ Colorado. Rudolph looks decent. Not 1st round caliber but decent. His receiver Washington looks like a keeper, lots of speed and gets a lot of jump balls.
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Rudolph and Washington have both already announced that they are staying at OSU...
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Yup, just saw that. Scratch 2 good guys.
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Agree with Dave23 on drafting QB. None of these guys are worth first 2 picks for sure and depending who has been taken
Maybe not even top 4 material. I like Kelly in the 5th and might take Kizer or Trubisky in the 3rd/4th.
Would anyone trade our 1st for Cousins if Washington decided to get rid of him.
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Garrett and Trubisky will be 1-2. So I'm thinking we should take Allen at #3.
I would take a QB in the 2nd round. IMO, after Trubisky, best QBs are Mahomes and Kaaya.
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Until the combine is over I agree with ISF. I want to see how they perform. But as of now I don't see first round quality from this QB class.
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Just in case nobody is aware Trubisky and North Carolina are on CBS at 2pm ET.
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I'm going for SHUTDOWN CORNERBACKS in the early rounds vs.
Rodgers
Matthews
Bridgewater
GIMME TWO !!
Quarterback is the least issue on my mind ... we already HAVE Quarterbacks. ;D
What would we draft after Cornerbacks ?
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Safetys
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Trubisky was incredible in the clutch tonight - good fit for Bears - but Browns will scoop him up
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Announcers said he's raw and needs another year but given the supposed lack of QB talent in this draft - I bet he'll come out.
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Trubisky will not be ready to start as a rookie but he has such unusual accuracy for a college QB that he's won't be on the board long.
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Yep. Cleveland native. The Browns cant afford to pass on him.
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What about picking up Tyrod Taylor from Buffalo as a bridge FA, and then draft Kizer our of ND? Keep Connor Shaw as the number 2.
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I wouldn't give a 7th round pick for Kizer. Horribly bad. If you weren't thrilled with Barkley and his 5 interceptions, you wouldn't be happy with Kizer. Bad decisionmaking. Doesn't read defenses well. Why do you think that Kizer and Kelley had such a bad relationship?
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GB, if you didn't like Cutler and his bad decisionmaking and bad interceptions, why would you want his reincarnation in Kizer to replace him? Makes absolutely no earthly sense.
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Jordan Howard has proved we can RUN.
What would it take on the OFFENSIVE LINE to make him run better ?
Who are they and where can we get them in the draft ?
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I didnt see too much of the Ohio St game, but the Clemson Qb Watson seriously reminded me of Leonard Floyd. And not in a good way. Just saying.
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I haven't watched a lot of Kizer so point taken. However, the draft analysts point to the lack of talent around him this year with Fuller now on the Texans. Everything I have heard is that he is a first round pick with excellent character, poise, and leadership.
Here is a snippet from an earlier MMQB from this football season.
Three weeks into the 2016 season Kizer, now a junior, has trampolined into the top tier of draft-eligible quarterbacks. He’s certainly at the top of the projected 2018 class, but also 2017 if he declares early. Scouts are seduced by Kizer’s size (6' 4", 230 pounds) and skill set: He can scramble, but is capable of functioning out of the pocket. He has a big arm, but also displays impressive touch and timing on his throws. His glittery statistics—in 16 career games: 3,599 passing yards, 63.0% completions, 8.69 yards per attempt, 30 TD passes and another 14 as a runner, 12 interceptions—are bolstered by something one evaluator could only describe as “the ‘it’ factor.” The 20-year-old has poise. Notre Dame fell out of the playoff discussion with its second loss of the season on Saturday, a dud against Michigan State, but Kizer alone kept the Irish afloat. The final score was 36-28, thanks to a spirited second-half comeback led by Kizer, who finished with 344 passing yards and four total touchdowns.
So my point of Kizer is if you were to bring in a new flavor all together with Taylor, who has fallen out of favor in Buffalo. Taylor is still pretty young and if you could sign him to a four year deal, with Shaw as backup, you would have an environment for a 20 year old to grow slowly and be ready to go by year 3. So yes, we are talking another rebuild, but have you seen enough of the 3 proven Bears Qbs (and by proven meaning we know what we have in Cutler, Hoyer, and Barkley) to know that none of them will lead us deep in the playoffs? Taylor keeps us competitive until Kizer is ready to go.
Could you trade back from 3 back into the draft and get Kizer later in the first round? It will be interesting, but I think we need to blow up the QB position but still get a veteran that can play the position.
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So if we can keep the 3rd pick we will end up with Garrett, Allen or Trubisky, if Trubisky is all that. That wouldnt be such a bad first round.
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I watched every game of Kizers career, I'd be comfortable with the Bears taking him if they traded down into the teens and were able to take him there. If they stay at three I'd rather they get a defensive difference maker.
I think Kizers has all the tools to be a good nfl qb but I'd expect him to struggle pretty badly as a rookie on this team. The main red flag for me was that he didn't improve much between last season and this one. The Irish did lose a lot of receivers and the o-line was awful all year.
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I think you'd get the same out of Kizer you get out of Barkley. Yes, go for Kizer so we can suck longer. Tremendous idea.
Using #3 for any QB is an error in judgment. If you are serious about g@mbling on a QB it better be 2nd round or lower. Again I repeat you better wait till after the combine to make up your mind.
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That all sounds good Wishful but what are you going to do if the Browns, Saints, Cardinals, Texans, Jets 49ers draft QB's before the second round pick? Quite possible.
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Deshawn Watson looks like the real deal to me. He is a winner. He almost beat Alabama in last years title game. I believe he might beat them this year. Nick Saban says he is the most special player since Cam Newton in SEC. I think he will be 1 or 2 this draft but if somehow he is there at 3 and the Bears pass I think it will haunt us for a decade.
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That all sounds good Wishful but what are you going to do if the Browns, Saints, Cardinals, Texans, Jets 49ers draft QB's before the second round pick? Quite possible.
Clap heartily and laugh. Everybody else's failure is a good thing. At least it isn't us.
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I know little about Kizer other than when I saw him in the opener against Texas where he played well.
He went from 2:1 TD:INT ratio to almost 3:1 this year - that looks like some improvement. Looks like he can run and he's big at 6-4 230.
When a 4th rounder QB in the 2016 draft clearly outplays the overall #1 draft pick you know that the draft is not an exact science.
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I watched a lot of ND games. It seemed whenever Cutler, ooops I mean Kizer made a mistake and came off the field Kelley would get in his face and they'd go round and round. Kizer wouldn't be any better than Barkley. I look at it this way, if Barkley throws a bunch of int or Cutler, and we aren't satisfied with that why would you replace them with the same thing in Kizer? I just don't understand that logic. Sorry. And I sure wouldn't waste #3 on him, maybe a late pick, like a 6th or 7th. And that's a desperation move there.
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I watched enough of Kizer to know he's not all that.He played behind one of the best OLs and played way to inconsistent for my liking. Now If we're not going after Allen DL with our 3rd I would trade down to acquire as many high picks as we can get our hands on. Cleveland's 12th along with their two 2nds would be outta sight! NO WAY to a QB in the 1st.
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I agree with Joki. Get as many picks as you can if you aren't taking Allen. We have a lot of needs in the secondary and DE. We could fill a lot of holes that way. As for QB there are a lot of options out there. I want to watch the Koolaid kids from Zootown against Wisky today. I want to see what their QB has to offer. He must have something to be in a major bowl game. Not even Mahomes is in a major bowl game. And if the Bears were smart they would invest some time in the Senior Bowl with their coaching staff.
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I watched enough of Kizer to know he's not all that.He played behind one of the best OLs and played way to inconsistent for my liking. Now If we're not going after Allen DL with our 3rd I would trade down to acquire as many high picks as we can get our hands on. Cleveland's 12th along with their two 2nds would be outta sight! NO WAY to a QB in the 1st.
ND's o-line wasn't good this year. It's a typical Harry hiestand line, less then the sum of its parts.
Kizer threw nine interceptions this year, pretty far from a turnover machine that wishful is making him out to be. His yards and completion % were both down and the bad o-line gave some insight on how he does under pressure, which is not good at all. He's got good size and athleticism, is tough and can make all the throws. I just can't justify passing up a difference maker on defense at 3 for kizer.
If Allen is there at 3 they have to take him. If not, trade down and go CB or QB depending on who is available.
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I found this a very interesting read, worth the time.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-10-thoughts-bears-vikings-20170102-story.html#nt=oft02a-1la1
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Adoree Jackson injury is ankle, not knee...thankfully!
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It will be interesting picking at 3. I hear the chatter, but every year the top 2 QBs bubble to the top of the draft. So the Bears could be looking at one of the 3 QBs we are talking about AND the top 2 defensive picks (as well as every other position) at number 3. They may actually have this best opportunity to trade down.
Cannot see the Browns trading the top pick, the 49ers may - both need QBs. The 49ers are completely flushing their front office which may put them in the mood to deal.
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Didn't the 9ers draft a QB last year?
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27th against the pass in 2016. CHICAGO DEFENSE.
Pass happy tossers like :
Rodgers
Matthews
Bradford/Bridgewater ...
hope we pick some strange at QB ...
keeping their jobs secure as we pass on SHUTDOWN CORNERBACKS
in the higher rounds.
The flavor of the month club kicks into high gear at QB among BEARS fans as :
year after year we fall into the trap that it's a QB that's needed...
When NOTHING IN THE PAST 30 YEARS ... has proven that to be right. >:(
If you can recall the 2006 BEARS ... with a rookie and a gimped QB ...
DEFENSE got us to DANCE !
The SAME as The 1985 BEARRSSE !
SHUTDOWN CORNERBACKS in 2017 draft ?
GIMME TWO !! with cole slaw & french fries ... and a strawberry malt. :D
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From Wikipedia:
Mahomes announced on January 3, 2017 that he would forego his last year of college eligibility and enter the NFL draft
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Tech is known for churning out system QBs that fail in the NFL:
Four Texas Tech quarterbacks, Kliff Kingsbury, B.J. Symons, Graham Harrell, and Patrick Mahomes have been awarded the Sammy Baugh Trophy.
And that list doesn't include Billy Joe Tolliver.
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dallas I can't disagree about the system Mahomes comes from,but,you'd admit he's far and away the best of that list. He's played against big name teams and played well for the most part.Put him behind a competent line and watch passing records break.Now I'm not advocating taking any QB in the 1st round. At three we either go with Allen (DE) or trade down for as many picks as we can get. Mahomes would be good if we were to get an extra 2nd.
Trading with someone like Cleveland for their #12 in the first and #1 and 20th in the 2nd would be ideal. However,I would settle for their #1 in the 3rd in exchange for their #20 in the 2nd.
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Being the best of that list isn't saying much. Mahomes can't play in the Senior Bowl - maybe he'll be able to play in another all-star game like the East-West shrine game.
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Interesting, Dallas. I tend to agree with you about Tech. That will downgrade his draft position. Could mean somebody will get a steal, something like Dallas got with Prescott last year.. I think Mahomes could last till the 4th. However, just to downplay the Tech label, what Mahomes did against Oklahoma set NCAA records. What Joki said was correct, that if you put him behind a competent Oline which we seem to qualify and with a very good running back, Mahomes can be very successful. He can be as good as Wentz was at the beginning of the season this year. Sure he has to grow, but his arm is great provided his shoulder injury has healed. Playing in a postseason bowl game is a must IMHO. He needs that Shrine game. I had forgotten he was only a junior. The Tech label and shoulder injury is going to decrease his value, I just don't believe you can ignore that Oklahoma game. He needs that Shrine game to show his shoulder is healed. Oh and we have 2 4ths in the draft. Our own pick and Buffalo's which should be 10th. Mahomes would be good value at 3 or 10 in the 4th round.
Oh and one more thing. Mahomes is a junior with more games under his belt and tape to look at than another junior Trubisky. To me Trubisky has a label as being a one year wonder.
Lets just say for grins and giggles that Mahomes lasts till the 4th, we sure can fill a lot of defensive back needs before round 4 and still come out with a solid draft. Right now I don't want to play punt, pass, and kick with Mahomes. There is still hope with the Shrine game and the combine to evaluate Mahomes better.
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System QB's are tricky.
Scouts look past the "system" to see if there are times the QB had to behave like an NFL QB making certain throws under pressure etc.
You can have and NFL bust and and NFL success from that same system such as from Cal Kyle Boller and Aaron Rogers.
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Chad Kelly > Pat Mahomes
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Make your case and we'll consider.
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Chad Kelly > Pat Mahomes
Absolutely disagree. Mahomes is more mobile. Kelly is more like Jay Cutler. I watched Kelly. Kelly had some very good receivers. I will give him that.
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Kelly is much more mobile than you seem to think, assuming his knee heals well. He also has a stronger arm than Mahomes, although they both have strong arms. Kelly has faced better competition, and has not benefited from a gimmick offense. Bloodlines. Better pocket presence.
I think Mahomes is intriguing, and as someone said earlier, might be the best of a list of TT QBs who put up big numbers in college, and did jack squat in the NFL. I'd be happy with either of them in the 4th or 5th rounds.
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Kelly is more Favre than Cutler. Take that for what it's worth...
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http://beargoggleson.com/2017/01/03/chicago-bears-fatal-flaws-high-profile-qb-draft/6/
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GIMME TWO PEANUTS in the higher rounds !
After that draft "Quarterbacks" .
Let's say after that it comes to the fourth round ...
where do you see us going ?
Safety ? OL ? LB? DL? WR? ......................... RB?
CHICAGO BEARS : 27th against the pass.
Priority's should be in order of weakness. :D
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Anybody hear about this guy:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2683888-2017-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-final-regular-season-projections/page/4
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I'm sure ther'es interest in finding the next Carson Wentz, but with the third pick?????
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Don't expect me to argue
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No
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So, if the draft was this week...
1) who is worthy of being taken at #3?
2) if the Titans offered #5 and #18 for #3, would you take it? Is there someone you would rather take at #3 instead of accepting that deal?
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1) I guess Allen if he's all he's talked up to be.
RDE killed our defense against the run and supposedly Allen gets good pass rush as well.
2) heck yeah, but I don't know who would be so special for the Titans.
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So, if the draft was this week...
1) who is worthy of being taken at #3?
2) if the Titans offered #5 and #18 for #3, would you take it? Is there someone you would rather take at #3 instead of accepting that deal?
Dave23,
I'd take that in a heartbeat if we could come away with ...
TWO SHUTDOWN CORNERBACKS IN THE FIRST ROUND !!
Trouble is with HALAS HALL is without seeing the OBVIOUS ...
they would draft a head scratching QB & a LINEBACKER to replace Leonard Floyd. ???
The Patriots DAA BEARRSSE are not.
THESE GUYS DON"T FUUCK AROUND ... and we are going to meet them next season :
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Bradford/Bridgewater
Two of them made the Playoffs ... no thanks to THE CHICAGO BEARS DEFENSE. >:(
Go to sleep with that tonight ... we let them get away with it .
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2) if the Titans offered #5 and #18 for #3, would you take it? Is there someone you would rather take at #3 instead of accepting that deal?
It really depends on what Frisco does. Now what if they took Allen? That probably means the 2 stud defensive players are gone. Then the trade down might make more sense.
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That's my worst-case scenario right now. Today, I think Garrett and Allen are the only two guys worthy of the #3 pick. If they go 1-2, and we have no offers for the #3, what do we do?
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That's my worst-case scenario right now. Today, I think Garrett and Allen are the only two guys worthy of the #3 pick. If they go 1-2, and we have no offers for the #3, what do we do?
Lets see what happens tonight in the title game. If Clemson beats Alabama and Watson has a superb game, there is a possibility we might get that offer for #3. And NO I don't believe Watson has sufficient arm strength. I think that however tonights game plays out will affect how the top 3 go in the draft. Also I could see Frisco dropping down out of 2 figuring they can get Kizer later. Frisco had a former ND QB star for them, the great Joe Montana.
What would we have to give up to move up to #2 to insure we got Allen? Last year I think we lost out on DeForest Buckner.
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One more player for the draft. Cleveland cant afford to pass on this one. Too much outside pressure to miss. Could influence #1, or influence them to move up from their 2nd selection #10 (?).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-mitch-trubisky-north-carolina-nfl-draft-20170109-story.html#nt=oft02a-1li3
I can forsee a lot of movement coming like last year.
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If Cleveland goes Garrett and SF goes Allen Trubisky would fall to us, so we could wheel and deal. I suppose it could be worse.
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Cleveland has some interesting picks we could use, like their other 1st which is 12th and the 1st pick in the 2nd round.
The wild card is what Frisco does with #2 with a new GM and coach.
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Watch CBs Humphrey and Tankersley
Watch SS Jackson
Watch both TEs
Watch ILB Foster
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Oh, and watch Watson...
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I said this a couple of days ago but watching the championship game in 3rd quarter I feel the need to repeat it. Deshawn Watson should be our pick. He has a bit of an usually release, but his decision making is really good. He progresses thru reads very well. He often throws to his 2nd read, sometimes his 3rd. He will be a legit NFL starter for over a decade. I have no doubt.
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Wasn't able to see much of the game, any thoughts?
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Watson is a gamer for sure. Williams is a good replacement for Alshon, some of the same qualities. If Allen is there at #3 take him. I am very happy for Clemson. They came from behind and won it. I think they wore Bama down.
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I would bet a reasonable sum that there is no way that the first two players taken in the draft are on defense. I think it is a given that Cleveland will draft a QB. You have a fan base that is more starved than ours, you don't satisfy it by drafting a defensive lineman or outside linebacker, unless those two players are Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. No way that a QB isn't taken in the first two picks.
SF is a cluster right now, so I could see them to trade out of this position. But at the end of the day, we will have our choice of one of the top two defenders (maybe both) or a QB. Every year the draft talks up position player, and by the end of April, the QB position is drafted 1 , 2
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So if we have Garrett, Allen, Watson, and Trubisky to choose from at 3, we should have a good pick come out of that.
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Unless Allen is there at #3 with QBs available I attempt to trade down, not below 10 and pick up another pick and maybe take the LSU safety or then take the QB. I just don't see top 3 quality with #3. I am just not enamored with the QBs this year. We need to wait till after the combine to get a better handle on the QB talent. And the Utah QB hasn't declared yet either.
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Did these guys have a good game last night. I assume Allen was double teamed but did he look dominant?
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The Alabama defense looked dominant in the first half. Clemson couldn't run the ball or pass either. It wasn't till the 4th quarter that Clemson got untracked.
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Only knock on Clemson's Watson is 30 INT's in two years.
We already have Barkley for that.
Do we have the coaching staff to teach both out of that ?
Otherwise ... pass. One's enuff.
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We can discuss and bet and check every draft board and every pre draft site but the fact remains the Bears have absolutely sucked when it comes to drafting and I don't have a lot of hope for this draft either. They got lucky and found Howard sitting there for the taking. Still definitely not sold on Floyd and White appears a wasted pick. They have drafted better so far than Emery, which is not saying much. Like saying they're the tallest midgets, but it's something to put a hat on I guess. Just got a feeling...really more like deja vu... that they'll somehow screw up that first pick...
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Sporty,
They could screw it up ... but if we get that Punter with the #3 pick in the first ... :P
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Don't give em any ideas, J :D
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Yeah their drafts have been head scratchers. Seems their 1st round picks are wasted for years except for Long and Urlacher
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If only Curtis Enis would come out of retirement so we could take him with our #3 ...
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You guys would have called Payton a bust after his first year and released him.
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lol
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Is Bob Avellini available?
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Who let you out of your cave
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Otto will be back in his cave after Sunday.
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On going humor ... I love it !
There was this Indian named Bowels who found out the railroad was going
to put a railroad track
right trough where his tee-pee stood.
Naturally pissed off Bowels headed into town to protest ...
Instead of walking into the railroad office he went into the drugstore by mistake ...
and declared : "Bowels no move !"
So the druggist gave him E-Lax.
The next day Bowels came back and said : "Bowels still no move!"
The druggist gave him more E-Lax.
The next day Bowels came back to the drug store and said :
"Bowels gotta move now ... tee-pee full of shiit!"
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GIMME TWO PEANUTS !!
The rest of the draft is yours.
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http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=bb2d9d28-f680-432b-910e-8715eda31d26
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Traded down with the Ravens...got their 1, their 2, and next year's 1
Traded down in the 2nd with the Jets, got their 2 and their 3
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Dave 23
Are you making this up or did it really happen ?
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Did you click the link?
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Dave 23
Are you making this up or did it really happen ?
JJ it's fantasy.
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Taking Mahomes in the 4th, is he really going to last that long in a weak QB class?
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Its fantasy island he'll last forever
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That would be a great draft!
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I'm saying we trade down in order to get a second 2nd rounder in order to snap up Mahomes.I doubt he lasts to our pick in the 3rd. Very weak QB class.
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Well yeah, it's a very weak class, and he's behind Watson, Kizer, Trubisky, and Kaaya in most ratings right now. Round 4 is not unrealistic right now.
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The best part of that mock, imo, was getting the Ravens #1 next year. They're pretty bad.
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In actuality I really doubt the Ravens would do that deal. Its more like Fantasy Island. I do however like the idea of trading down. Cleveland is the trading partner I would prefer. They have #10 and #33 in the 2nd round.
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Joki, here is a question for you. I see where the Ohio State safety came out for the draft. Which player fits our needs better, the Ohio State kid or the LSU kid? I think its too early at #3 for a safety, but maybe somewhat lower might be more appropriate. Any suggestions?
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770181/article/move-the-sticks-notes-malik-hooker-could-be-next-ed-reed
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Does anybody know how that "point" stuff works ?
i.e. : A first round third pick is worth X amount of other picks in trade compensation.
Depending on where the picks are in the draft order ... etc.
There's some kind of "point" system that you apply to it.
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I think I read that before which is where I found out about Malik H. coming out.
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Want something to be depressed about, as if we didn't have enough? Since 1993, the Bears have been in a measly 5 playoff seasons and out a ridiculously pathetic 19 times (!). The Packers?? They've been out a measly 5 times and IN 19.....made your day, didn't it. Made me want to vomit!
Want more? The Lions are better during that stretch than us, appearing 8 times.
This team is absolutely pathetic....
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Wshfl-I'm with you that either safety is vg,but,#3 is way to high.If we traded down in the middle of the draft they would make sense. I don't know about which fits our system better as I have not watched a single game this year out of apathy. IMO I would lean towards Hooker if I were to choose. I'd still rather grab a shut down CB tho.
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If you consider Humphrey a shutdown corner, I would have to disagree. I did watch a sample of CBs and I really didn't see one. I saw some decent ones but no shutdown CBs. Yes we need CBs. Anyone I would take at #3? NO! And I certainly wouldn't trade down below Cleveland' s 2nd #1 ( Is that #10?) It will be interesting to see who we target in FA. That will clue us in on what needs haven't been fixed
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Do we use a draft pick to get a pure returner ?
Devin Hester got us to our last SUPERBOWL appearance ...
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For JJ, give me 2:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/16/chicago-bears-2017-draft-position-profiles-cornerbacks/2/
I like Wilson.
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Jesus...I read the first page, and he talked about Teez Tabor falling to the 4th or 5th round?!
No sense in reading that **** any further...Tabor's not getting out of Round 1. He's my first CB off the board.
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Well Marcus Peters and Jimmy Smith would have been top ten picks but were taken later in the first round not dropping that far.
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Jonathan Allen:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/17/jonathan-allen-player-transform-chicago-bears-defensive-line/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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Winner, winner...
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What about this deal or something comparable?
Our 1st round choice for Garapolo plus New England throws in a high round draft choice? Would we do that deal? Would New England?
Or our 2nd round choice plus a conditional pick that could be as high as a 1 in next years draft for Garapolo - based on playing time, effectiveness, etc?
None of the QBs excite me in this draft (they rarely do), and I am certainly on the fence about Garapolo after all this time behind Brady and two career starts.
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None of the QBs excite me in this draft (they rarely do), and I am certainly on the fence about Garapolo after all this time behind Brady and two career starts.
Think Osweiler in Denver, goes to a different system and adjustment period. I doubt NE lets Garopolo go that cheaply, and he will be a FA next year, so you have him for only one year. NO, I don't think so. Don't think overpaying the stinking Pats for him is a good idea. Let them keep him next season and get nothing for him next year when like Osweiler he walks. And just saying to be saying that Bears fans value Garopolo more than other teams because he grew up in Evanston (?) and went to Eastern Illinois. Sorry, PASS, no friggin deal. Even were I tempted it would have to be after the 2017 draft where its next years picks we are giving up. We need that #3 more than the Pats. And the asking price for Garopolo will be less after the 2017 draft when they begin to worry whether he walks on them and they get nothing in return for him.
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Watching the Allen highlight video, he looks pretty much like a stud, something we could use a lot more of.
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I was one who was hoping for a carbon copy the last draft. This guy is the bookend we missed out on last year. We need him. He will even make the backend better.
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Said it before, saying it again...our worst nightmare is Garrett/Allen going 1-2, and us getting no offers for #3.
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IMHO I am less worried than you. I am expecting Cleveland to take Garrett unless they blow it on a QB, but lets just assume they think sanely knowing they can take their QB at 10 and take Garrett. Next is SF. So what do they do? I don't know but my guess is somebody is going to jump after a QB, so SF trades down. There sits Allen at #3 or maybe the Bears sense Allen wont be there at #3 and trade up with SF to take Allen. We did trade up last year because they were worried the Giants were going to take Floyd. The big wild card is SF and what they do. New coach, and new GM.
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Going to repeat it. No way that a QB is not chosen in the first two picks...
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More and more, I'm reading that the consensus is that Kizer is the best QB prospect, all things considered.
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What do you think of that? I'm a ND fan and not sold on Kizer....
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I hate ND, so I haven't watched him at all. The scouts seem to think that he checks all the boxes, though. They love his size, his arm, his athleticism, the fact that he has worked in a pro style offense...they say his potential for greatness is better than anyone else's, even the UNC QB.
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And since SF drafted ND QB Joe Montana, I could see Kizer taken by SF at #2. The smart move by the 9ers would be to drop down a bit, pick up a pick or two and take a QB there and still get their choice. The problem I see for the Bears is whoever moves into the 2nd spot takes Allen in front of us. If its a QB then Allen will be there. I honestly believe Cleveland goes QB at 12 or whatever their next pick is. Trouble is It looks like Trubisky could go to the Jets ahead of 12, So its possible Cleveland has to move up from 12 to get Trubisky. Why Trubisky? Because he is a Cleveland native.
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Like last year I see a lot of movement early in the 1st
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The combine will be the QB key. All it takes is one team to fall in love with a certain QB. I have seen mocks where Mahomes goes top ten too. The Bears have a lot of homework to do. Being at the Senior Bowl will greatly help the Bears evaluate the talent.
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So could be looking at Trubisky at 1, and Kizer at 2. would not surprise me one bit.
Then what?
Since 2012, the first two picks of the first round in 2012, 2015, and 2016. 2011 was Cam Newton and Von Miller
2013 is the outlier and 2014 Bortles was taken at 3
At least 1 qb will go in the first two picks, and I put the odds at better than 50% that the first two picks will be QBs. Allen will be there at #, the question is will Garrett and Allen be there?
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If Garrett and Allen are both there, what a great problem to have. I take Garrett.
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That's a great problem to have. I cant say what I'd do if I were Pace, NOT that I envision that scenario happening. Just cant see it.
I just don't see the QB quality there to fulfill that scenario. Wait till after the combine. How teams envision talent will be changed by the combine.
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This guy just came into play in the draft ... :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoree'_Jackson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoree'_Jackson)
If this mothefuucker doesn't have BEARS written all over him at #3 ...
I don't know what the fuuck does!
Chi-Town lad from Belleville !
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SOS. Nice player. Just not worth #3
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Maybe at 3-3...
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Maybe not at 3-3 maybe this one:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/19/brad-kaaya-quarterback-long-term-future-chicago-bears/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Interesting that the Bears watched him twice this past season.
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This is an interesting list. Instead of the progression of best to worst the list is backwards obviously:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/18/chicago-bears-2017-draft-position-profiles-safeties/7/
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Kaaya would be a good value in the 3rd. I have heard that he doesn't throw a good deep ball, though.
An Alex Smith type doesn't strike me as the kind of long term QB we want, though. I'd rather focus on bigger needs early, and take a Chad Kelly late. A good CB or SS would be great in Round 3.
Adoree or Eddie Jackson, or both...
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I like Adams better than Hooker, for the exact reason stated in the article. Hooker will rely on shoulder hits too much, and not wrap up. Adams loves to hit, and hit hard, and tackle.
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The issue with his arm strength should be tested at the combine, since they have watched him twice already. Supposedly that's a knock on Trubisky too. Not known as a runner is a knock on Kaaya too, but maybe its was for other reasons. These players work out to improve their negativities before the combine so its not such a defining factor before the draft. Speed should be tested at the combine. Usually negativities come out in the wash. We shall see said the blind man. ::)
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For all the top of the 1st QB worshipers:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-mel-kiper-bears-mock-draft-20170119-story.html#nt=oft02a-1la1
Not that Kiper knows everything related to football.
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If we think we can sign Berry in FA, I'd take Allen at #3. Otherwise I'd draft Adams.
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I like Adams better than ****, for the exact reason stated in the article. **** will rely on shoulder hits too much, and not wrap up. Adams loves to hit, and hit hard, and tackle.
D23,
I have no Idea what your post meant since it was CENSORED.
Aren't we all grownups on this board ?
Why are we treated like we are in the second grade ?
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Heh, that was Malik Hook-er, a FS out of Ohio State...
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Re watched the USC-Penn St Rose bowl.
Adorre Jackson was lined up in the backfield as a single set RB on USC's first score.
The ball got tossed for a TD's to somebody else. Adoree Jackson doesn't play RB.
But his threat was implied.
He was all over everywhere else though as :
Corner back
Kick & Punt returner
Wide receiver
He got gimped late in the fourth quarter,
but was on the sidelines exhorting his team on wards.
That's what you want in a locker room/sideline player.
In 2015/2016 he returned 6 for TD's as a kick returner and punt returner.
I only want the guy for Corner back.
No wonder he won the Jim Thorpe Award as best DB in 2016. :D
So who have you found better at #3? Some kind of QB?
With a 27th against the pass defense in 2016 ?
Who plays against :
Rodgers
Matthews
Bradford/Bridgewater six times a season ?
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While this is a bunch of what ifs I did think his draft made a lot of sense. And I almost puked when I read his FA QB choice to replace Cutler. Just beware. Also the availability of Berry is extremely iffy IMHO.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/23/chicago-bears-mock-off-season/14/
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Lol, the guy picks QB's like the Bears have. He sucks. Some of his other picks and FA's are spot on but at QB he's terrible at picking.
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His first four rounds of the draft are good, with the exception of the Pitt QB, who he admits to having a hardon for...nothing to dislike about the offseason moves either...Kaep is a douche, but 2 years at 3M? Yeah...
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Also is this article about the Senior Bowl practices this week and what the Bears can learn and gain from their experiences this week:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-senior-bowl-real-talk-20170123-story.html#nt=oft02a-1gp2
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You think this UFA might be available:
Micah Hyde SS 26 GB TBD $584,527 UFA
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Nice article about the Bears and Saturday's Senior Bowl worth reading:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/qbs-familiarity-5-factors-to-consider-for-bears-at-senior-bowl/
Not mentioned in the article was that Forte also played in the Senior Bowl.
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It's a disgrace that CHICAGO BEARS staff are coaching the North Senior Bowl.
BUT ... when you suck at 3-13 ...
you jump on any advantage that you can !
I hope we never have to coach the Senior Bowl again. ;D
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While I understand your point about not participating in the Senior Bowl, I wouldn't be unhappy were the rules changed so that even 8-8 teams had an opportunity to get a better look at talent. I look at it as an advantage, not a dishonor.
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While I understand your point about not participating in the Senior Bowl, I wouldn't be unhappy were the rules changed so that even 8-8 teams had an opportunity to get a better look at talent. I look at it as an advantage, not a dishonor.
Under the current rules ... it's a dishonor.
It means WE SUCK !!
Don't sugar coat it. :)
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It should mean we suck. We do suck.
So did the Cubs three years ago. If there is something that might give us an edge upwards, take advantage of it. Everyone already knows that we suck.
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They sucked for 108 years. Tell it like it is. Stop sugarcoating it.
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I like it. I think it's pathetic, though, that the NFL has to take a team by the hand, stick the talent directly under their noses and basically say to them 'see, THIS is a guy that is talented. He can catch the ball and run with it. See? This guy can b l o c k. You might want to c o n s i d e r him for your team. This other guy is f a s t, he has lots of s p e e d. That is a g o o d thing in the NFL. You might consider him.' Take them by the hand like children and show them how to improve....
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Watching Senior Bowl practice on NFLN...they're doing TE comps, and compared OJ Howard to Greg Olson and Evan Engram to Jordan Reed.
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Is that fluff or is that legit? That's the question.
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Scouts opinions, supposedly...I see no fault in either comp...
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They sucked for 108 years. Tell it like it is. Stop sugarcoating it.
I suppose it depends upon your definition. I don't think that the Bears sucked, when they went to the Super Bowl under Lovee. And I don't think the Cubs sucked when they went to, but lost, the World Series in 1929, 1932, 1935 and 1938.
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....and 45 their last. Lets drop the subject.
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That wasn't their last...
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And unbelievably Back to the Future missed that call by ONE year. Very amazing prognostication there....
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The one thing that craacks**** me up was ... maybe it was Mayock ...
who said there was nothing in the senior bowl that was worth a
a #3 pick by DAA BEARRSSE !!
Just about blew beer though my nostrils !!
BUT ...
There was a lotta standouts. Lets see some names you thought stood out ...
Center Fuller from Baylor
WR Kup from some little collage.
Didn't see anything in this class at QB that impressed me.
Got any that you can add ? There were some good ones but I forgot. ???
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The word above in the post that was CENSORED was :
CRAACKS ... minus the extra A.
When did it come to this on this board ?
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....and 45 their last. Lets drop the subject.
I left out 45 because, in my opinion, they sucked in 45, since the war had taken most of the good players from just about every team.
I will certainly drop the subject, but for God's sake, we had each had made two posts on the subject. Most discussions on this board go on for weeks.
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Cooper Kupp is from Eastern Washington, I believe, and would be a good value in round 3, depending of course on who else is on the board at the time.
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Here is another mock that's interesting. This one fixes a lot of holes. JJ even will like our first 4th round pick (give me 2) and from a good program. The emphasis of the mock is safety and CB.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/28/chicago-bears-mock-draft-senior-bowl/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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Here is 3 tradedown scenarios. I personally like the 1st one, but the others aren't bad either. I think the Jets would jump at the idea.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/28/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft-trade/
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That mock is awful.
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I do like all 3 trade down scenarios, though.
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The trade with the Jets is interesting, but is Allen the guy we need to complete the DL? If so I stay put and just take him. If we need much more, maybe the move down makes sense.
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That 3/4 DE that was in the mock is playing today. Ogunjobi in the 5th would replace the need for Allen. The guy sounds good. The only fault I had with the mock was the 2nd QB in the 7th. If we come out of the draft with one of the 2 top safeties that draft is a killer. I like either one Adams or H00ker. That would be great That's why I like trading down with the Jets. And as far as Mahomes going late in the 1st, I think we have enough picks to move up into the late 1st to make sure.
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Isnt it a big red flag to take Mahomes, Texas A&M program and all? And to take him top of the second/or last first? I haven't seen him play, the stats look good, but isn't it a program thing?
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I hope Mahomes does go in the 1st...that'll drop another player who's actually good down to our pick at 2-3. Maybe OJ Howard drops to us there as a result?
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I'm able to get Mahomes at 4-10 in most every draft I mock. He's behind Watson, Trubisky, Kizer, and Kaaya as things sit right now.
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It's hard to believe only 4 teams would take QB for 3 rounds
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Things can obviously change, but right now the value just isn't there...
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I would love to trade down, get someone else's #1 next year, still get a top CB or S in Round 1, and have a crack at a top QB in next year's class, which should be much, much better.
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We need as much top talent as possible and we all know what importance a great player makes to any team, so leaving our spot now, if a great player like Allen sitting there, to me isn't wise. Get that difference maker....
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I agree. I would much take the best impact player available, and fill other holes through free agency, then trade down for two or more lesser talents. Of course, that assumes that there is a substantial talent gap between what you give up and the best player you get in return. Quite often there is a group of 4 or 5 that you feel are essentially equal in ability. If you can trade down and get one of them, plus something else, it is a good idea.
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I am warming up to the idea of getting a 1st for next year out of a trade down.
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I like this idea but I don't like the selections other than Mahomes at #12. I believe this draft is rich in talent. I was amazed at some of the Oline talent I saw on Saturday. One dude 6'8 and 360. I didn't know they made freight trains that size. I think if they take that Cleveland deal they should take OJ Howard at #12, he looks like a stud, or maybe one of the safeties slips to 12. Then maybe move up into the lower 1st and still get a Mahomes or Kaaya if they prefer him. The talent in this draft may be excellent. The Safety #22 for the north has some skills, And I liked the receiver for the north #7. He'd make a good slot receiver. Then there was Kupp from Eastern Washington who isn't bad either.
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Haven't gotten into draft mode yet but the posts have been interesting reads. Looks like Tribusky and Garrett are in the top 2 and Jonathen Allen is the #3 guy. Can't say that I'd be too enthused about taking a 3-4 DE at #3.
But then I hear him getting compared to Aaron Donald and I'm thinking I really like a front 3 of Hicks, Goldman and Donald. Right now we got Mitch Unrein and the FA Cornelius Washington at that spot.
But then taking Allen just pushes the talent down further at other needs QB, safety, CB.
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That would be a heck of a Dline.
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Build the trenches. A superior DL will help everyone else.
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(I should have wrote name & number & college down)
But I didn't.
WR Zay Jones (sp)
CB/Safety # 22 from Saint Francis U ... Jerome Leonard ... Leonard Jerome ?
The Kicker from some Ariz. college.
I think Fox called a timeout on his own kicker to see how he would react to a freeze.
You're right Dave , Cooper Kupp is from Eastern Washington ...
a Cole Beasley / Wesley Walker type that's always around the ball at WR.
And whoever wore #57 on either the North or South team as DE/LB.
Forgot which side. ;)
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Zay Jones is very good. He and Kupp would both be great picks in rounds 3 or 4.
Mahomes stock seems to be improving. He's going in the mid 2nd - early 3rd on all of my mocks now, slightly ahead of Kaaya.
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The Arizona kicker is Zane Gonzalez. He and Jake Elliott from Memphis are two of the very best kickers out there.
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Haven't gotten into draft mode yet but the posts have been interesting reads. Looks like Tribusky and Garrett are in the top 2 and Jonathen Allen is the #3 guy. Can't say that I'd be too enthused about taking a 3-4 DE at #3.
But then I hear him getting compared to Aaron Donald and I'm thinking I really like a front 3 of Hicks, Goldman and Donald. Right now we got Mitch Unrein and the FA Cornelius Washington at that spot.
But then taking Allen just pushes the talent down further at other needs QB, safety, CB.
The defense just got killed this year by the run over that position, especially the second half of the season. Allen would solve that, or they would still need a big fat in the later rounds or FA as a run stopper.
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Yes, I liked Zay Jones (#7) and #22 Jerome Leonard would be players I liked too. So there is going to be good talent at positions of need. We just have to capture it and mold it.
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Just remember Michael Haynes was drafted by the Bears first round largely based on tearing it up at the senior bowl.
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Every time I saw the QB Peterman from PITT with his helmet on ....
I wanted to go out and buy a Butterfingers candy bar.
Same colors.
Not good colors for a QB to be associated with. ;)
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NFL scouts are reportedly expecting Trubisky to measure in at a hair over 6'1", rather than his listed height of 6'3".
The only QBs 6'1" or shorter to be drafted in the 1st round the past 15 years are Johnny Manziel and Rex Grossman.
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Obviously the Bears need help at WR. The draft isn't our only hope for an upgrade. This article looks at some of the options out there
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/31/chicago-bears-2017-free-agency-profiles-wide-receivers/
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One of the top prospects in this year’s class won’t be participating in the Scouting Combine, creating some big questions at the top of the 2017 NFL Draft.
According to Matt Miller of Bleacher Report, Ohio State safety Malik Hooker had surgeries (plural) to repair a torn labrum and a hernia Tuesday, and won’t be ready to work out for scouts in early March.
Hooker played through the injuries last year, and had a standout season for the Buckeyes. He’s likely still a Top 10 pick, though this will complicate the process for teams during the medical portion of the evaluation.
Hooker only started one year in college, but he’s already drawing comparisons to some of the great safeties of recent years (not that every prospect doesn’t get over-compared to stars this time of year).
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Lol, his last name is censored....
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Yes its H00ker
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Sporty/ WSH,
Do you think the censorship has gotten out of control on this board ?
Why doesn't Dave23 put this back to normal ?
This isn't Nickelodeon , we are adults on this board.
Currently treated as children. ???
It sucks suucks.
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Unless one would try to get on the board at work,
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Why would you think I have any control over that, when I have stated more than once that I don't?
If you use the Tapatalk app, nothing is censored. Otherwise, feel free to pony up the cash needed to bypass the censor.
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Heard on the Score today per one of the talking heads that the Bears are all in for trading for Jimmy Garoppolo from the Pats. I guess it stems from both Pace and Garoppolo are Eastern Illinois grads. That can present big problems for Pace if JG is a bust as a Bear. I am aware nobody listens to me but my advice is to not do it because your job security depends on being right.
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But at what price are we trading???
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I don't know. Somebody said their 2nd this year, #3 in the 2nd round and maybe a 2nd next year
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Here is some more talk:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/03/chicago-bears-stay-away-jimmy-garoppolo/
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I think we need that 2nd more than the Pats do. Maybe 2 4ths, but not 2's I don't think we can give away that kind of talent possibilities for unproven small school talent.
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http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/01/cleveland-browns-expected-to-pursue-trade-for-jimmy-garoppolo/
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/could-jimmy-garoppolo-come-home-as-the-bears-next-starting-qb/
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Here is a Garoppolo cost analysis. Lookout for a Bears trade down.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/03/chicago-bears-cost-trading-jimmy-garoppolo/
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I just cant see trading for Garappolo who is basically an inexperienced QB much like the Osweiler that Houston went after. I cant see overindemnifying the Pats. I think its very risky. I'd be more in favor of trading down and getting a 1st next year. Hopefully with 2 firsts and other picks we would be able to get a much better player in a stronger draft for QBS. But OTOH all QBs are a g@mble. The trouble is we haven't been good at selecting QBs to g@mble on. I just fear another pitiful QB mistake.
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SUPER PASS on any deal with N.E.
Our draft picks are WAAAY better !
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I just cant see trading for Garappolo who is basically an inexperienced QB much like the Osweiler that Houston went after. I cant see overindemnifying the Pats. I think its very risky. I'd be more in favor of trading down and getting a 1st next year. Hopefully with 2 firsts and other picks we would be able to get a much better player in a stronger draft for QBS. But OTOH all QBs are a g@mble. The trouble is we haven't been good at selecting QBs to g@mble on. I just fear another pitiful QB mistake.
Have to disagree, Pace has been very good at selecting QB's.
Both Hoyer and Barkley played well above expectations.
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Have to disagree, Pace has been very good at selecting QB's.
Both Hoyer and Barkley played well above expectations.
And with Connor Shaw that makes three without JCut.
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Now if he can just figure out how to keep one of them healthy....
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Now if he can just figure out how to keep one of them healthy....
Where's Rusty Jones ? ... or someone like him ?
Did you ever see a BEARS team get so injured as last year ?
Help is needed ... SUPAHSTAH names are USELESS on the bench crippled. >:(
Ask our former "supposed" starting QB. :D
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Now if he can just figure out how to keep one of them healthy....
Everyone agrees we don't have the QB of the future on the roster yet.
Pace will have to select the franchise QB and if he makes the wrong choice it could be the end of his career as a GM.
We can only trust him - or not- to make the best choice.
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Put me down as no to Jimmy G. I would gladly eat my words if proved wrong. No way would I trade a 1st and 4th for unproven QB. Hell he did not even prove himself at a top conference in college. We can draft a QB round 1 and pay him a hell of a lot less on a rookie deal. More than likely that individual would have a better upside.
Another topic is what if we draft a couple of more stud Olineman what could Cutler potentially do? Yeah he hasn't delivered, but he has shown flashes. I personally think the Oline has more to due with QB success than anything....example this years Cowboys.
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Pace will have to select the franchise QB and if he makes the wrong choice it could be the end of his career as a GM.
Absolutely agree. That's why I am against trading for Garoppolo. But since Pace and Garoppolo are both Eastern Illinois grads and met each other personally during the Bears/Patriots scrimmage the likelihood of acquiring him has grown. Too much homerism.
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http://dabearsblog.com/
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Hiber - That is a really good point. Hoyer/Barkley/Shaw would not command a top dollar deal. Signing two of the 3 and drafting a QB, will allow us to put other re$our$e$ into other positions. We are still two good drafts away from contending for a championship so Garapollo is not going to take us to the next level in one year - IF he even has it in him. The risk in signing him to that deal outweighs the benefit.
Let's say we sign him at an Osweiler deal and he does an Osweiler. Pace can basically kiss his job away and maybe doesn't have that opportunity again. I know Emery is on the Falcons staff but I doubt he sniffs a GM job again because he blew the coach choice. This would be a death blow for Pace. The safer choice would be to draft a QB and keep him on the bench for the year unless he comes in and just has it. And we are just not there yet talent wise at enough positions. I like what Pace has done. I think it can't be overstated how bare the roster was when we took over. I think we falsely bought into the John Fox year two turnaround. Right now, we just need to get out of the cellar and beat Green Bay!
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Right now, we just need to get out of the cellar and beat Green Bay!
Amen. Enough of this Superbowl or bust mentality for next year. We aren't close to sniffing the playoffs as a wild card.
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No way they would give Garropolo a big contract like Osweiler.
Osweiler had played a whole season.
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I think we are 2 OL, 1 DL, and 1 OLB away from being solid. Oh wait I forgot about S and CB. Ok, 4 more players we need to be solid. Then we have to hope that the older guys dont fall off while we get those other guys. Oh and maybe a WR. And a QB. Sheeet I curse the ground Jerry Angelo walks on...
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Re-sign Jeffery, then give me a stud DE, 2 CBs, 1-2 safeties, a QB prospect, and lets go to war.
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I think we are 2 OL, 1 DL, and 1 OLB away from being solid. Oh wait I forgot about S and CB. Ok, 4 more players we need to be solid. Then we have to hope that the older guys dont fall off while we get those other guys. Oh and maybe a WR. And a QB. Sheeet I curse the ground Jerry Angelo walks on...
I like Leno, but I think against the really good DEs he struggles a bit. Actually, Massie had a really good season after the first month. We need a 3-4 DL and probably another OLB to replace Houston. And we probably need 2 safeties and 2 CBs...at least 1 starting FS and a starting CB.
But its all about the QB.
Re-sign Jeffery, then give me a stud DE, 2 CBs, 1-2 safeties, a QB prospect, and lets go to war.
As long as that stud DE is a proven pass rusher like Allen. But we still need a starting DE - if he can rush the passer like Hicks that's a bonus.
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First time cracking 12K...
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=b41b9dfa-2a83-4a01-bc07-43965dee6f08
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First time cracking 12K...
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=b41b9dfa-2a83-4a01-bc07-43965dee6f08
That would be an excellent draft. I can't break 11,300 when I pick.
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Trade down options for the Bears.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/11/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft-trade-ideas/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Depending on what Cleveland does at#1 and SF does with #2, I think it makes sense to trade down. The curiosity I have is how far down and for what. If its a particular player they are trading down for its a good idea
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This is a good read. Making me reconsider Garropolo trade.
http://dabearsblog.com/2017/data-returns-statistically-profile-the-ideal-quarterback
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I still think trading for Garoppolo Is a gift to the Patriots and that opinion hasn't changed. He also didnt play in a major conference so his stats are likely inflated. So many are sold on Garoppolo because he was born and raised in the Chicago area (homers). That's another red flag for me. I just cant see overpaying a team that doesn't need to be overpaid.
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I still think trading for Garoppolo Is a gift to the Patriots and that opinion hasn't changed. He also didnt play in a major conference so his stats are likely inflated. So many are sold on Garoppolo because he was born and raised in the Chicago area (homers). That's another red flag for me. I just cant see overpaying a team that doesn't need to be overpaid.
Wsh,
Trading a draft pick for the Galapagos Islands sounds like a good deal in a three way
with N.E. & Ecuador.
The Islands are a tourist destination & the added income to DAA BEARRSE coffers
are needed outside of the salary cap.
It's legal ... look it up. 8)
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Just like believing in Santa Claus, I am sure there some may believe in this. I just am not sold
http://withthefirstpick.com/2017/02/12/nfl-scouts-mitch-trubisky-top-3-pick/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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Tony Romo was an IL guy too, he has done pretty well. And Matt Ryan was the third pick in the draft, IF, and that is a big IF, Trubisky turned into the next Matt Ryan that would be pretty good.
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Other teams are sniffin Brian Hoyer's ass.
With Conner Shaw & Barkley aboard ...
the backup David Fales ...
how many QB's are needed to be drafted before we find out what we already have ?
Is anyone allowed to be given a chance or is it always panic mode ?
And the next QB drafted will be there too.
When do you stop with what you already have & build the rest of the TEAM ?
Jim McMahon was an average QB.
HOWEVER ... he had an OL & the best DEFENSE the planet has ever seen.
Ask the 2000 Ravens about that ... and Trent Dilfer. He'll tell you.
27th ranked against the pass CHICAGO BEARS ...
apply your priority's to your weakness.
It ain't QB.
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For once I agree with JJ.
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Agreed. If we take Allen at 3, I would be happy with that.
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Boogie, I hope the Bears investigate him at the combine. He has some injury history that the Bears need to be on top of.
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Allen has injury history? I didnt read about that anywhere....
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I cant remember where I heard about it, but that's where physicals are valuable. If there is something a player is hiding, they can investigate.
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Well I cant say I am in love with the players in this mock because other than Mahomes some of these are real curious. OTOH I like the two trade downs and Mahomes at #12. And if they can bring back Shaw and a decent starter without trading for Garoppolo I'll be content.
http://nflmocks.com/2017/02/11/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-mock-draft-defensive-overdrive/
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I go back and forth on Garrapollo. I guess what I come back to is durability. We lost 3 QBs to injury last season, and it seems every year we have had Cutler out for chunks of time which makes it hard to build consistency. He is not a real big solid guy...
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Build through the lines. Go DT in the 1st (preferably Allen) and OL in 2nd and 3rd.
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Mahomes at #12 is horrible.
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Allen has injury history? I didnt read about that anywhere....
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/13/chicago-bears-go-sheldon-richardson/
The Bears may consider drafting defensive lineman Jonathan Allen with their third overall pick. Allen is also immensely talented, but he has two shoulder surgeries, and rumors persist about a third one as well.
There you go. That must be where I saw it only in a different article, but the rumors persist.
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You need to be sure we aren't getting a player with a short shelf life
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And you want to trade for him? I don't know if we have enough to get him.
http://nflmocks.com/2017/02/12/nfl-rumor-call-for-jimmy-garoppolo/
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Jonathon Allen = Alonzo Spellman ?
There are those that say Wannstadt destroyed him.
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Dave,I somewhat disagree with your stance on Mahomes at #12. we meed a QB for the future bad. IMO Mahomes is the most talented this year. I do not believe he will make it out of the 1st round. Trading down with someone like Cleveland,the most obvious choice,for their #12 ,#33 and #65 could make sense for both sides. With Mahomes locked in we could go a variety of ways with #33 and our own #36. I could see us taking a couple of DBs or perhaps a pass rusher or OT,depending on the talent available. Then we'd still have their #65 and our own #67 in the 3rd round which should afford us some pretty decent talent at WR,TE,OT,Edge and even DB which is pretty deep this year.
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Trading down to get more picks is good. Trading down to take a QB with a ton of questions and passing on a blue chip player, not so much.
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boogie I believe Mahomes is a blue chip player at the most important position.
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And he just may be. But the questions are there, the Texas Tech school, NFL bust factory, plus possible decision making. If we do that and I am wrong, I will gladly admit it. Right now I am leaning toward taking Allen at 3.
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Right, 3 shoulder injuries and all?
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And who should we take at 3? Malik Hoooker? The other S? It is all a craap shoot.
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Personally I'd rather trade down, but if we didn't, I guess a safety maybe not H00ker, maybe the LSU safety. But if we traded with Cleveland for 12, The 2 safetys will be gone.
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BEARRSSE DEFENSE : 27th ranked against the pass.
Do what you want in the draft ... but we better address this. >:(
Pronto.
Rodgers - Matthews - Bradford, will and have, taken our Secondary apart.
If Allen can cause disruption on DL ... once they get past him ... and they will ...
those boyz play long ball and you know it ... we better have a secondary ...
to back up Allen.
Don't see any need for LB at all ... how many do we already have that don't play ?
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#1 priority is QB....then draft all defense with possible exceptions for offense with 5th and 7th rounders at WR, TE or OT. Of course free agency could affect all need picks.
I'd consider Garrapollo for our #2 and one of our #4s. Or maybe a very diluted #1 but not the 3rd pick.
I saw Trubisky against Stanford. Yeah, he had a couple bad picks but the kid has an arm and is mobile. Could be an option at #3.
Jonathon Allen. I was a bit skeptical at taking a 3-4 DE at #3. But if he's being compared to Aaron Donald than he's worthy. But he's got to be clean - no shoulder issues.
And the Bears were 7th in the NFL against the pass (27th vs the run). Totally misleading stat - our DBs had to be ranked at the bottom in PDs and picks.
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Totally 100 % disagree Dal.
It's a philosophy that has led us to continued failure...
since we were the last to manhandle the Patriots.
Whats needed is a new way of thinking ... and it ain't QB.
Do you know that people are sniffing Barkley's ass for Denver ?
That makes two ... him and Hoyer for another team.
What do other teams know that we already have that we don't know ? ???
We still have Shaw & Fales.
Four QB's on board and you can't find a solution with that many?
And you think drafting another one is going to solve all problems ?
We must really suck as a team @ QB.
BTW ... I didn't mention JCut. :)
That's five.
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What philosophy? We haven't drafted a QB in the first round since...Rex Grossman (2003).
If you don't like Watson or Tribusky or Mahomes or the cost for Grappallo or whatever....load up on D and keep Cutler and Shaw.
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What philosophy? We haven't drafted a QB in the first round since...Rex Grossman (2003).
If you don't like Watson or Tribusky or Mahomes or the cost for Grappallo or whatever....load up on D and keep Cutler and Shaw.
Dal,
Are you on your way to bed or going to work ?
I'm wrapping up a work day.
C'mon baby get real with me ...
you know damn good and well there ain't anything in this draft at QB worth drafting.
In what we don't already have.
It's a flood at secondary ... how many future Pro-Bowlers in this mix ?
With our high round draft picks ... we should set ourselves up for the next decade at
secondary and forget about it after that until 2027. SOMETHING we have lacked. :-[
Interested in an OL player in 2018 ? I am. :)
You take the talent that's handed ... NOW.
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If Allen can cause disruption on DL ... once they get past him ... and they will ...
My question is how long is he going to be able to do that? We don't want to invest #3 on a 1 year wonder. 3 shoulder surgeries doesn't sound like a sound investment. That sounds like a perennial problem. If you are the Bears you better hope that the medical staff does its job at the combine. We don't need a Tommy Harris repeat.
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The Bears medical staff is notorious for NOT doing a good job, in any way, treating injuries or finding preexisting ones.
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Latest mock: I am not a fan because they draft Pearlman at QB. I don't believe his ceiling is very high.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/20/chicago-bears-2017-mock-draft-latest-seven-round-draft/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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I like the load up on D and keep Cutler. I know it won't happen though, I think Cutler is good as gone. We need to get a good strong D, and a good solid run game and build from there.
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Ditto. Got a good running back, get a lot of D. Keep Jay.
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Very interesting article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-nfl-draft-top-quarterbacks-haugh-spt-0217-20170216-column.html
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Wow, Mayock has the qbs ranked Kizer, Watson, Trubisky. I kind of doubt they get drafted in that order, but you never know.
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I would probably rank them Watson, Trubisky, Kizer
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JJ
Kind of a night owl - but not as much as I used to be.
As for picking QBs in a draft, I have no idea how you determine who's gonna make it or not and neither do most the GMs in the league.
Kizer looked good in the game I saw him against UT. Tribusky looked good in the Stanford game and Watson played well against the Tide. And Mahomes also looked good against the Longhorns (as did just about every QB in 2016).
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JJ
Kind of a night owl - but not as much as I used to be.
As for picking QBs in a draft, I have no idea how you determine who's gonna make it or not and neither do most the GMs in the league.
Kizer looked good in the game I saw him against UT. Tribusky looked good in the Stanford game and Watson played well against the Tide. And Mahomes also looked good against the Longhorns (as did just about every QB in 2016).
Yes Dal,
But do we need any of them unless we can pick off one in the later rounds?
What got us to the DANCE in 2006 ? Which by the way we lost. >:(
DEFENSE ... The NECK BEARD ... Grossman ... & a RB who caved after one play.
Oh ... and Hester.
DEFENSE & rookie Neck Beard got us there. Grossman & RB gave the game away.
It was DEFENSE that got us there to begin with.
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True dat. I wish we could get an all pro MLB in the draft. Someone who is a freak like Urlacher was. Someone fun to watch, who can dish out some punishment and yet stay healthy. I dont know who that is.
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Reuben Foster is a beast.
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Our #1 (3rd overall) for Kirk Cousins and the Skins #1 (17th overall)
Who says no?
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We can get a really good CB at 17...Cousins will be expensive, but we have a ton of cap room. Washington doesn't think they can get him signed, and current rumors have the Niners working this same deal for their #2 overall...
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The Skins would need to Franchise him before trading him, no? Then how does that work? I cannot recall a franchised pick being signed and dealt I like the deal though if we had him signed long term
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Interesting. So if Washington moves to #2, is it to pick a QB? I like Cousins and wouldnt mind having him, just not sure how I feel about moving from 3 to 17.
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I like the deal. Or even Cutler and #3 for Cousins and #17.
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I'm fairly certain that a top CB (Humphrey, Lattimore, Tabor, Jones, White) will be there at 17, and there might even be an outside shot at one of the top S as well (Adams, Hook-er). There will be a stud at 17.
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Malik McDowell could be there as well, if we wanted a good 3-4 DE...
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All of the above posts will still be true after the Combine at Indy , right ?
Lets wait and see.
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Or let's not wait and see, and talk about it now...because I'm sick of coming to the damn board and seeing nothing but political bullshit and Packer talk...
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I vote for talking now. The combine is next week, so its not like waiting forever.
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Our #1 (3rd overall) for Kirk Cousins and the Skins #1 (17th overall)
Who says no?
Interesting, can't say as I'd be totally against it. I'd be more for it if the skins through in... say their 5th round as well..
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MJ's mock at NFL.net has 9 secondary's going in the first round.
That's about one third of the draft. Told ya this was going to be secondary heavy ...
the one place we are weakest in defense.
RODGERS - MATTHEWS - BRADFORD ...
we have to answer to these motherfuuckers ...
in stopping them.
What should we draft ?
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BUT ...
Let us lay back and see the combine. ;D
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On this last Sunday in the year of our Lord before all HELL breaks loose ...
in the up coming Combine ... Let BEARS fans take a knee in tribute ...
of the one SON OF A **** that got us through this point in time ...
Dave Wannstadt !
After that I can't think of anymore BEARS individuals worth remembering. 8)
I invite your response .
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Myles Garrett, Jonathan Allen, Jamal Adams
Anything else is silly.
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Several have us drafting Lattimore. Is he not worthy?
I see a lot of description of Adams as a true highly athletic player with on field and locker room leadership.
That is something this ream needs.
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Lets find out who's available in free agency. I am hearing the Bears go after Eric Berry if KC doesn't tag him.
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There is so much depth at both CB and DL in this draft...Lattimore is great, but I'm not convinced yet that he is that much better than Humphrey, or Tabor, or Tankersley, or any of the other top CB's...
Everything I read of Jamal Adams is just off the charts.
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But if they scored Berry in free agency chances are they wouldn't need Adams. We only have a limited number of picks and we have such a huge need list. From what I hear during the combine a lot of FA deals and trades are negotiated. Lets see what is accomplished this week. While its best to fill needs through the draft, our need list is so great and our cupboard was so bare filling needs through the draft is impossible. I heard somebody this morning that the Bears need 2 starting OTs too. I don't necessarily buy that, but if you are going with a rookie QB you are going to have to have strong protection for your rookie QB for him to succeed.
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It's definitely a weak draft for OT...not as bad for OG and C, though...
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If we signed Berry, and Garrett-Allen went 1-2, I have no idea what to do, barring a good trade offer. Maybe Hook-er for FS? I'm sure we would take whoever they rated highest at QB in that scenario...just hope they're right...
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In my worthless honest opinion I don't believe a QB wont be taken in the top 3. I think the suspect is going to be SF at #2. Could I be wrong? Sure. Being wrong is my middle name. And if they don't then the QB seekers will be calling us for #3. Personally I'd love that, especially Cleveland.
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Here is something interesting:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/27/chicago-bears-news-alshon-jeffery-will-become-free-agent/
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In most years, QBs have been the first two picks of the draft. Myles Garrett is likely a surefire pick to go in the top two. Now if the QBs blow away the combine - that could create quite a stir at the top of the draft. Would love to see a scenario where QB's go 1-2, and we are sitting at 3 with Garrett there.
Realistically, not likely to happen. If we keep our pick, I want to know everything there is to know about Allen's shoulders. After watching Ed Reed play safety for all of those years with the Ravens, if Adams is all that I wouldn't hate that pick. Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed - those guysplayed a long time at a high level.
Who was the tackle that we passed on last year with the MJ pictures? Ended up going to the Dolphins. How did his year go?
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Laremy Tunsil...he played LG this season, and Miami has already traded Brandon Albert to free up LT for Tunsil next season. He's great.
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some qb highlight reels:
http://beargoggleson.com/2017/02/23/chicago-bears-potential-day-two-qb-targets/2/
The Mahomes highlight reel is interesting. The way he scrambles around and then throws reminds me of Johnny Manziel, although he isn’t as thin as Mr Football was.
The Kaaya highlight reel I cant quite put my finger on it. He seems to have good ball placement but his throws don’t seem like they have much zip on them.
http://beargoggleson.com/2017/02/19/bears-day-three-qb-targets/
Of the day 3 guys Peterman doesn’t look too bad, although didn’t someone say they didn’t like taking him in a mock draft?
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All of the above posted picks are good ... but who goes at #3 ?
If we trade down with a bullet proof pick @ 3 ...
what can we hope to pick up ?
Who can we deal with ?
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what can we hope to pick up ?
Hopefully more players to fill much need holes. Right now with the Jeffrey hole, the holes outnumber the picks we have.
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Its a deep draft at DE. and while light on OT there are a couple good ones. I would like them to trade down, pick up an extra 1st next year. and go for DE and OL. There might be more pain of losing for another year while the big guys get used to the NFL game... but i think the best way to be successful for the long haul is to set up the two lines.
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Who do you like as a 3-4 DE past Allen?
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I like both the Michigan guys... Taco and Wormley. Demarcus Walker will probably be around in the 3rd... another guy i like.
Tanoh Kpass is another that will be around later... doesnt have the college pedigree but i liked what little i saw of him.
If allen is there take him, if not... and we can move down and grab taco and an extra 2 and a 1 next year... i'd be very happy with taco.
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Anybody know anything about this kid?
1. cleveland-browns-logo Cleveland Browns (1-15): Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M
This pick has been pretty anticlimactic as it’s an almost certainty that Garrett is going to be the first overall pick for the Browns. Garrett will give the Browns a blue chip pass rusher in Gregg Williams aggressive defense and give them someone with Jamie Collins to build around.
2. san-francisco-49ers-logo San Francisco 49ers (2-14): Ruben Foster LB Alabama
While quarterback makes a ton of sense here but I’m making this pick based on the 49ers getting a veteran quarterback. Foster fits a big need at linebacker and fits the physicality and toughness that GM John Lynch asked his scouts to put into players grades.
3. chicago-bears-logo Chicago Bears (3-13): Solomon Thomas DE Stanford
Factoring in rumors that the Bears will go all in to get Jimmy Garrappalo and that John Fox prefers veteran quarterbacks indicates the Bears going best defensive player here. Thomas is a versatile piece has the ability to be what Justin Smith gave Vic Fangio in San Francisco playing both the DT and DE positions in their 3-4 defense.
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Ok watching his highlight reel, I wouldnt be too upset with this pick. Any body got any negatives on him?
https://youtu.be/wl3EAGuIZLs
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No negatives. Stud. Definitely a candidate for OLB
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Anyways the NFL network was again showing last year's combine. I am guessing that tomorrow begins this years testing.
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I'll say this: Pace better score big in FA, because he has dug himself a huge hole with Jeffrey in order to rise out of 3-13. He now has no offense.
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Not tagging Jeffrey does not mean they won't try and re-sign him. I doubt they do because some other team will way over pay for him though. It is not a done deal that he is gone.
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Yeah You are right but I think its more like Ivory Soap being 99.44 % pure. The odds might be closer to being 99.44% he's gone
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Pace at the combine:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-ryan-pace-scouting-combine-20170301-story.html
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Hearing that Garapolos is staying with N.E.
I like both the Michigan guys... Taco and Wormley. Demarcus Walker will probably be around in the 3rd... another guy i like.
Tanoh Kpass is another that will be around later... doesnt have the college pedigree but i liked what little i saw of him.
If allen is there take him, if not... and we can move down and grab taco and an extra 2 and a 1 next year... i'd be very happy with taco.
If we can move down in the first, pick up a second, and a first next year ...
hard to turn that down.
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We'd be fools to turn it down, as deep as the first two rounds are...
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It'll never happen but it's nice to dream about ...
teams offering us that would be in the lower 20's ...
and desperate at something with the #3 pick.
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I don't think it's that crazy... Just takes one team to fall in love with Watson that is drafting in the bottom half of round one...
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I don't think it's that crazy... Just takes one team to fall in love with Watson that is drafting in the bottom half of round one...
It could happen ... got any teams in mind ?
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http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/2/28/14762464/mike-mayock-on-the-nfl-draft-mock-combine-and-the-chicago-bears
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I think i pass:
Medical checks are a big part of the Scouting Combine and a red flag about a player’s physical condition can lead to a big drop down the draft board.
For Alabama defensive lineman Jonathan Allen, that drop would start from the very top of the first round. Allen is projected to be one of the first players off the board in April, but Alabama’s team doctor thinks some teams may be taken aback when they get a look at scans of Allen’s shoulders.
Allen has dealt with labral tears that required surgery in both of his shoulders and left him with moderate arthritis, but Dr. Lyle Cain said that no one should be put off because Allen hasn’t been impacted on the field.
“Jonathan has really played without symptoms in his shoulders, and it’s something that has not affected his performance or function,” Cain said, via Ian Rapoport of NFL Media. “It doesn’t have to be treated during the season. And he’s had a couple of great years. … This is something that a lot of offensive linemen and defensive linemen have, things guys play with their whole careers. It’s just a little earlier for him because he got hurt in college.”
Allen will be doing the bench press in Indianapolis and a good showing on the exercise along with the positive report from his doctor would assuage some concerns about one of this year’s top prospects.
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I consider it a big red flag. That's why a medical staff needs to check the dude out. But at #3 you better hit the jackpot and not end up like Tommy Harris.
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Even if he checks out ok now, he already has arthritis in his back? How long will he last? I say pass, especially at 3.
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I tend to agree. I'd say drop down or take Soloman Thomas if you are that committed to drafting at #3. I haven't heard of any flags on him
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I am between Solomon Thomas, Jamal Adams, and Mitch Trubisky, pending the outcome of the combine, for #3.
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Watching the combine I see Brooks has us taking Adams at #3. If that happened I cant say it would be a wasted pick. Interestingly he had H00ker going #2 to SF.
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Oh and I see Thomas going #4
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Reportedly Trubisky measured 6'2", so that will help his stock...
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Western Kentucky T/G Forrest Lamp might have made himself some coin today. He put up 34 reps in the bench press.
He was very good against Alabama's DLine in their game this year.
He's projected as a Round 1/2 guy...looks like he's shooting for Round 1 money.
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Interesting that Bears are busy evaluating college QBs
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/in-qb-search-bears-hope-combine-meetings-are-15-minutes-to-fame/
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John Lynch, the former safety who is now the 49ers GM, said today that Kizer had an incredible interview. They currently do not have a QB on their roster.
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They have a history with ND QBs, they do have a QB on their roster but he is considering opting out of his contract.
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Um if John Lynch says something good, it could totally be a smoke screen. Just saying.
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No QB is worth the third pick in this draft imo.
Take the best player or trade down. I have no problem taking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round though if the value is there.
They have to have a QB to compete. I am afraid they will reach because they know their jobs are on the line. They may think a rookie QB buys them another year. It won't.
If I was them I would roll with Hoyer and Shaw then draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.
I actually really liked what I saw of Shaw when he was playing in pre-season. I wish we could have seen him play during the regular season.
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I buy Lynch talking out of both sides of his mouth. Cant let everybody know what you are doing. Bad politics
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PFT had a story about Cle looking hard at Trubisky. Now I know this wont happen, but if they pick him, and SF takes Kizer, how fast would Pace sprint to the podium to grab Garrett? My guess is he would set the carpet on fire. I know I would.
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I wouldn't be shocked. And I would love it.
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I just dont see us getting that lucky is all.
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And this is a head scratcher. I would Take Adams over Watson but the rest I could live with, especially the TE and WR.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/04/chicago-bears-franchise-qb-2017-nfl-mock-draft/\
Just to be saying, although I don't agree with it totally, this is a pure offensive draft. And I am sure a case can be made for it, I just think we need defensive help more. Lets see what we can score in Free Agency first.
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If we trade out of the third pick in the first round ...
what can we hope to get back in compensation ?
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Totally depend on where we drop down to JJ. The point is we get more picks to fill our need basket which is very high
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TOMORROW we see CORNERBACKS & SAFETY's.
Halas Hall better draft right.
Is it my imagination or are many DL's in the combine coming in at LB weight ??
There's dudes in there at 248 lbs. declared as DL ... WTF ?
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I haven't seen this posted anywhere but I just heard some blurb of some sort of 3 way where we wind up at #10 taking a QB. I don't or haven't seen any particulars on this. Maybe someone else here has
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Which QB are we taking at 10? And I would hope we get something significant to move down.
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Haugh on the top 4 qbs:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bears-quarterback-prospects-combine-haugh-spt-0305-20170304-column.html
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Which QB are we taking at 10? And I would hope we get something significant to move down.
I didn't hear that or where pick 10 came from
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Peppers is putting on a good combine. He may be right that he is a safety. I still like Adams, I think he is more polished. Peppers is just scratching the surface as a safety. Fangio would love a player like Peppers to mold.
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Peppers is putting on a good combine. He may be right that he is a safety. I still like Adams, I think he is more polished. Peppers is just scratching the surface as a safety. Fangio would love a player like Peppers to mold.
Both worth being on our team.
And Adorre Jackson is being looked at by offensive coaches as a slot WR and kick off returner ... hmmmm.
Triple threats are always nice. :D
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Could Halas Hall play such angles that we end up with a shutdown DB & ...
Christian McCaffrey in the first round ?
McCaffrey would be a perfect compliment to Jordan Howard.
If not then keep going Defense in the higher rounds.
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Looks like Allen is dropping with the shoulder. The safeties are moving up in their place.
I like a short trade down and get a QB with the diluted first rounder.
I watched the QB drills at the combine - I still like Tribusky. He's got an arm and he can run pretty well.
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Looks like Allen is dropping with the shoulder. The safeties are moving up in their place.
I like a short trade down and get a QB with the diluted first rounder.
I watched the QB drills at the combine - I still like Tribusky. He's got an arm and he can run pretty well.
Can we afford to take a QB prospect this high in the draft for future development ?
Tribusky would have to be the second coming of Christ walking on water.
Don't we need impact players now ? We are after all ... coming from 3-13 ...
with three QB's still in the stable.
Let's draft any impact players we can find throughout the draft.
SEE : Jordan Howard. What round was he drafted in again ?
Draft smart for team needs. :D
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Unless the Bears score a safety in free agency I expect the Bears not to pass on a safety in round #1
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My mock using fanspeak on the clock premium. We trade with Cleveland for our #3 for their#12 in the 1st and their #1 in 2nd round and #1 in the 3rd round.
1) Patrick Mahomes (QB)
2) Cam Robinson (OT)
2) Adoree Jackson (CB)
3) Cooper Kupp (WR)
3) JuJu Smithe Schuster (WR)
4) Jeremy Sprinkle (TE)
4) Connor McDermitt (OT)
5) Eddie Vanderdoes (DT)
7) Joe Williams (RB)
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Yeah, I'd sign off on that draft...
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So would I except I've seen mocks where Jackson and Robinson will be gone in the 1st.
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The QB in the first is an awfully big reach.
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Adoree Jackson is not a 1st rounder.
I'm not sold on Mahomes there either.
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CB prospect Sidney Jones tore his Achilles today at Washington's pro day...move all 2nd day CB's up a notch.
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Adoree Jackson is not a 1st rounder.
I'm not sold on Mahomes there either.
Jackson may not be a 1st rounder but in mocks I've seen him there, the same with Mahomes. You want to gamble and miss? I am against arguing. Its too early to predict that. Draft week mocks will be more accurate.
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Cleveland is going to swap us their #12 ... #1 in the second ... #1 in the third ...
for our #3 in the first ? What would they hope to gain ?
Would you do that ?
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What is your source for that information Jackie
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What is your source for that information Jackie
A "what if " post by Joki #511.
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If we don't select a QB with our pick, and assuming Garrett is not on the board, I am leaning toward Jamal Adams. Looking at Ed Reed in the face?
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I believe 3 is too high for Adams but I like the pick.
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If Cle trades their 12 plus others for our 3, they could be targeting Trubisky. They take Garrett at 1. We might miss out on Solomon Thomas, Jamal Adams, Malik Hoooker, at 12. It would have to be a pretty sweet deal. I need to see who may be available around 12....
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I can't get past Adams. We need a leader in the secondary to take us to another level on defense. Allen scares me with two shoulder surgeries. If Adams is a once in a decade type of safety, I would be fine with choosing him at 3.
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I agree, I dont have a problem taking Adams at 3. Trubisky, Adams, and Thomas are my current favorites at 3.
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Thomas is right there with Adams for me. We certainly need pass rushers. I saw this mock on Fan Sided where the Bears chose some 4/3 DE in the 4th round saying what a great addition he would be, but being only 280 is small for a 3/4 DE just like Bullard they already have. Guys like that are better suited to OLB. Plus we lost Washington which puts 3/4 DE at a premium. I am really torn. I'd like to see what Hall and Demps can do together. I am more concerned with that pass rush than Safety and Corner right now. Thomas or a healthy Allen would be my choice if they don't trade down
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Don't be surprised to see the 49ers take a QB at 2.
They have Hoyer and Barkley. They want to make a splash to generate interest for the fan base. The kid from Notre Dame is my pick here.
Cleveland likely taking Garrett... I know really going out on a limb with that one. We can be looking at Thomas, Allen, and Adams with our pick.
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I was believing that Kizer to the 9ers at #2. I am hearing a defensive player or a trade down now. Now with this Foles to the Eagles move I am believing that Daniels could end up in SF or Chicago too. Daniels was a very good college QB at Missouri. It'll be interesting where he lands. If Daniels lands in Chicago we can scratch QB off our draft board.
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Interesting evaluation as to Bears draft needs:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/analysis-the-bears-top-draft-needs-after-free-agency/
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For the Mahomes fans:
A detailed, Chicago Bears-focused scouting report on Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes, a player creeping up draft boards.
Beyond the first-tier of quarterbacks in the 2017 NFL Draft class, the evaluation job becomes far more difficult for general managers still looking for a starting QB. While players like Deshone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky and Deshaun Watson are more traditional passers, the next player on this list doesn't fit that mold.
Patrick Mahomes is the most polarizing quarterback in this year's class for many reasons. He’s interesting and fun to watch, but also very scary if he does not find the right fit in the NFL.
QB Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech (6-2, 225)
When looking at potential fits for the Chicago Bears, Mahomes isn’t your Week 1, “throw him in there and see what happens” type of player, which likely limits him to a second-day selection or a candidate for a team looking to trade back into the end of the first round.
The 21-year-old is a former baseball player and comes from a bloodline where his dad, Patrick Mahomes Sr., also played professional baseball for close to a decade. There are many passes that reflect his baseball background and the sample size is large, as Mahomes was a two-year starter with a lot of throws under his belt (1,349).
Full disclosure: I absolutely love Mahomes but the pros and cons are that of a Jekyll-and-Hyde player. With that in mind, let’s take a closer look into the craziness.
Positives
Arm Talent: The first thing that pops while watching Mahomes on film is his arm. He has the ability to make 60-yard throws with a flick of his wrist. Easily the best arm from a strength standpoint in this class.
Bloodline: His father was a former Major League Baseball pitcher and while it doesn’t relate directly to football, it’s positive trait, especially for a player looking to make a living out of throwing a ball.
Athleticism: Mahomes' ability to extend plays with his athleticism and elusiveness is one of his elite traits. Once he’s outside the pocket, his arm becomes a huge factor.
Physique: He’s not overly tall but a thick build and long limbs give him yet another quality trait.
Improvements & Development: His completion percentage rose from 56.8 percent in limited role his first year, to 65.7 percent in his final year. When looking for development within college systems, this is a big indicator, much like it was for Dak Prescott.
Quick Release: While mechanics will be addressed below, his release is solid, which will help his development down the road.
Ball Placement/Accuracy: For as chaotic as he is, his ball placement and overall accuracy are in the Trubisky category, which is impressive, all things considered.
Negatives
Overall Mechanics: Mechanically, Mahomes is an absolute mess. Think Matthew Stafford coming out of college and multiply it by 10. Poor footwork and a highly inconsistent throwing motion top the list of massive flaws that will need to be coached out of Mahomes.
Offensive System: Buyer beware on any quarterback coming from an Air-Raid system. While college products usually look great, it doesn’t normally translate well to the NFL-level due to predetermined reads, etc.
Decision Making: As with most big-armed “gunslingers”, Mahomes' decision-making can often make you scratch your head. Part of it is the system and part of it is simply in his DNA as a passer, which leads most to believe it won’t be easily coached out of him.
Majority of Snaps in Shotgun: As a byproduct of the Air Raid system, Mahomes took the large majority of his snaps out of shotgun.
Conclusion
Mahomes’ ceiling is arguably the highest of any quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck but it's going to be very difficult to reach his potential without the perfect fit.
Mechanically there’s a lot to work on but make no mistake, there is also a lot more to work with. This will make the overall evaluation for NFL teams difficult because his risk is just as high as his reward.
He has more than enough athletic ability to be a dual-threat signal caller at the next level and while he needs a lot of work, coaches must be mindful not to constrict his playing style. Much like Stafford, he will make a living off the abnormalities in his game.
Many are looking for the next Dak Prescott this year and while it’s not likely they'll find one, Mahomes might have even more upside. In many ways they are similar, particularly in terms of college development, but in terms of playing style and overall ability, they are on the same level.
Ultimately, I don’t see Mahomes as an ideal fit for the Bears simply because trusting Dowell Loggains with a high-risk, high-reward project like this could easily blow up in the team's face. He’d do good to sit behind an experienced veteran in an explosive West Coast offense for a year or two before taking the reigns of an NFL team.
Pro Comparison
Matthew Stafford (Detroit Lions)
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IMPACT ... is players that can start DAY ONE.
You've got a 3-13 record facing your ass in the face.
You can DREAM ... but we better fuuckin ProDuce !
Time is not on our side ... we have drafted young ... but we let Pro's walk.
A BEARRSE quandary ... ?
Well where the fuuck else have we been the last FOUR DECADES ?
Hold on a minute here ...
80's
90's
2000's
2010's
Can we at least get some redemption in 2010's ?
How about a Playoff game ?
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Adams in the first and Adorre Jackson in the second and the rest of the Draft is yours.
Gimme two at DB !
After that you can go apeshiit wild ... but don't fuuck us out of what we need.
You know what we need ... >:(
Your fascination with QB's can be addressed with the third pick in the third round,
a backup for Conner Shaw & David Fales.
Wait a minute ... David Fales falls into the Hoyer / Barkley category ...
a free agent.
So why did we draft him to begin with ?
Do you see where this is leading to ?
Everything we have done ... is Tom Brady we don't have.
But are desperately in search for.
Aaron Rodgers is a foundation.
And before him Brett Favre.
The only missing ingredient of THE CHICAGO BEARS ....
A LEADER.
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Is Adoree Jackson the guy who got hurt a lot and is kind of frail, or is that Schuester.
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I am totally on board with Adams in the first. Or Solomon Thomas. Or Trubisky. Those are my top 3 at 3. After that I hope we get the best guys who can help us get better. God knows we need all the help we can get.
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Can DAA BEARRSSE fuuck over the rest of the NFL by drafting Joe Mixon RB,
where he would not be expected to be drafted ?
It's a ****GAMBLE... but a nice compliment to Jordan Howard. :D
Can't type G a mb le ? ???
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I can....g@mble
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Lots of smoke here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-deshaun-watson-bears-pro-day-spt-0317-20170316-story.html
Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Looks like the Bears brought the house to see Watson work out.
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I am totally on board with Adams in the first. Or Solomon Thomas. Or Trubisky. Those are my top 3 at 3. After that I hope we get the best guys who can help us get better. God knows we need all the help we can get.
i agree. Thomas might be just fast enough to play a 3-4 OLB.
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Watson is in the running
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Not for me. I am just not sold on Watson so much. Maybe I need to watch some more highlights....
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They are just drumming u p interest for someone to trade up.
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I might agree with that Method. Somebody like the Jets might give us something to move up. At least I would hope so. OTOH I believe Watson is the best and most ready QB in the draft.
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These mocks can drive ya nuts.
One has us taking Adams ... another Solomon Thomas with #3. Fine with both.
Jonathan Allen is all over the map ... #4 to Jax, #22 to Miami in different mocks.
Trubisky to N.O. @ #32 in one mock.
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Biggs isnt too optimistic about a tradedown:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-bears-trade-down-nfl-draft-biggs-spt-0319-20170317-column.html
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Only way it's happening is if Garrett somehow falls into our laps at 3, and then I wouldn't want to trade down (unless the return was too good to pass up).
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If Garrett falls to us and we trade the pick, I am stopping watching all football. Period.
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Maybe the Jets will decide they HAVE to have 1 of 2 particular QB's...if SF takes one of them at 2, maybe the Jets will panic thinking that we take the other at 3, and offer us the #6 and their 2nd rounder to move up to 3.
That would work.
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That would work.
That would work for me.
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That works for me, as long as Garrett goes number 1.
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Right...
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It should be chiseled in stone at the entry to Halas Hall ...
"ALL DRAFTED PLAYERS MUST START 16 GAMES !"
This solves alotta problems. :D
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Not much here:
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4705232/are-bears-better-off-with-jamal-adams-or-solomon-thomas-at-no-3
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The answer is Adams. Anyone who thinks differently is a dope. No offense to the dopes among us.
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I'm totally on board with Adams, but Thomas wouldnt bother me at all.
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Lines before skill positions...
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I saw an article today that stated that it wasnt a smokescrean when they visited Watson at his pro day. The Bears are interested.
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I hope we trade down to gain more picks. I personally really like the talent level thru the first 3 rounds. We need to add depth. More picks is the easiest/cheapest way.
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I think the Bears are doing a nice job of filling some holes with FA. They do need to sign a NT IMO.
I think the Bears are setting up themselves for being able to take the best available player. I think you will see WR, CB, OG, OLB and DE drafted. In playing with draft simulators, I think our best move is a trade down. There are a lot of WR and CB's in the lower first round upper second round. Only way I stay at #3 is to draft a QB. Only Qb I like that high is Watson. Simulators lately have him being drafted before pick 3 sometimes. Before the NFL draft those same ones had him in bottom of the 1st. Of course who knows how accurate those things are.
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Hiber,
Who knows how accurate the Halas Hall brain trust is ?
Every mock has us putting IMPACT DEFENSE into our folds with #3.
That's what scares moi ... Halas Hall can fuuckup a crowbar.
That takes a special talent. :-[
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They do need to sign a NT IMO.
They signed Jenkins, a nose tackle to be a backup for Goldman.
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http://beargoggleson.com/2017/03/20/chicago-bears-primed-draft-day-trade/
Consider the Jets at pick 6 haven't signed any QB and just let Josh Mcown walk. They haven't shown they're ready to let Hackenberg or Petty start. They could be planning to draft a QB.
Wouldn't the Bears help themselves by looking like they're drafting a QB at 3?
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Yes, although it would be more effective if a QB went at 1 or 2...
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/20/jets-sign-josh-mccown/
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It wouldn't take much convincing to get me to believe that SF wont take a QB. I believe they just might. But at least they do have 2 now like the Bears. If the Bears looked like they were going to take one at #3 it might scare SF into taking one at #2.
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Agreed about Jets. The way I see it someone is going to want that #3 pick in a bad way. Here is to hoping.
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Someone is going to want the #3 pick. It is only a question of how much they are willing to give.
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Interesting draft. Garrett seems to be the consensus number 1 pick which is virtually no chance of dropping to 3. But from 2 - 6, you have Allen, Solomon Thomas, H00ker, J Adams, and the 3 QBs.
8 players for 5 spots. I would be fine with a trade back to 6 ...
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The question then becomes do you pass up obvious talent at 3 vs more of a risk talent later on? Is three so so players equal to one impact player? Ask yourself what talent has this team found later in the draft? There's been some yeah. But usually the impact players come from early in the draft.
Best players of 2016, Chosen by players- http://www.nfl.com/network/top100
PLAYER DRAFT POSITION YEAR
Cam Newton 1st overall 2011
Tom Brady 6th Round 2000
J.J. Watt 1st Rd,11th 2011
Antonio Brown 6th Round 2010
Adrian Peterson 1st Rd, 7th 2007
Aaron Rodgers 1st Rd, 24th 2005
Luke Kuechly 1st Rd, 9th 2011
Julio Jones 1st Rd, 6th 2011
Rob Gronkowski 2nd Rd, 42 2010
Odell Beckham Jr 1st Rd, 12 2014
Josh Norman 5th round 2012
Carson Palmer 1st overall 2003
Khalil Mack 1st Rd, 5th 2014
Aaron Donald 1st Rd, 13 2014
Von Miller 1st Rd,2 2011
AJ Green 1st Rd, 4 2011
Russell Wilson 3rd Rd, 75 2012
Patrick Peterson 1st Rd, 5 2011
DeAndre Hopkins 1st, 27th 2013
Richard Sherman 5th round 2011
This is just the top 20 chosen. The thing that sticks out is many are high picks. Only 6 were chosen outside the 1st round. Something to think about....
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And none chosen by the Bears?
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Got my guy first:
With the first wave of free agency in the books, here is our current seven-round mock draft for the Chicago Bears.
As the league heads into the third week of free agency, draft needs are becoming more transparent for every team, including the Chicago Bears, who have likely done the bulk of their off-season spending already.
As of last week, GM Ryan Pace had spent over $43 million in cap space, the most in the league.
Even after missing out on top targets such as CB Stephon Gilmore, OT Ricky Wagner and CB A.J. Bouye, the Bears still found a way to spend “smart” money to fill the team's numerous roster holes.
While needs were met through free agency, Pace has since re-enforced his belief that the bulk of his impact additions will come through the draft.
QB Mike Glennon, S Quintin Demps, CB Prince Amukamara and CB Marcus Cooper all project to be Week 1 starters, while TE Dion Sims, WR Kendall Wright and WR Markus Wheaton are all expected to play prominent roles as well.
That said, none of the new veterans should be considered top-tier additions and, most importantly, none of these players will deter the Bears from taking the best player available at each pick, particularly Glennon.
The roster is still far from complete but with some clarity moving into the draft season, the table is now set for Pace to land top-tier talent in April’s draft.
Round 1
DL/Edge Solomon Thomas (Stanford)
Pace can go many different directions with his first-round pick, including a trade down. Yet, for the sake of not over-complicating the situation, we'll assume Pace uses the third overall pick to add an elite player.
Picking this high is all about value and while another pass rusher isn’t exactly a top need, it’s still a need and Thomas is likely the best player available here.
At 6-3, 273, Thomas is labeled a “tweener” but limiting him to one position is simply not doing him justice. He’ll have the ability to play 5-technique in Chicago's base front but can also slide inside to 3-technique or outside to 7-technique in nickel packages.
If an NFL defensive coordinator cannot find a way to get a supremely talented player like Thomas on the field for more than 70 percent of the unit’s overall snaps, he shouldn’t be in the league.
Pace may opt to select a quarterback or defensive back with this pick, but assuming he doesn’t view any of the top passers as worthy of a top-three pick, a pass rusher’s value will always be more than a defensive back, even if safety is a bigger need.
Alternate Pick: QB Deshaun Watson (Clemson)
Round 2
QB Patrick Mahomes (Texas Tech)
Arguably the Bears biggest need moving into the draft process will be finding a long-term solution at quarterback. If the team’s scouts deem no quarterback worthy of a top-three selection, the Bears run the risk of missing out on the consensus top four talents at the position.
They could opt to trade back into the tail end of the first round to ensure they get their quarterback of the future but for the sake of this mock, I’ll keep it simple.
Mahomes is the most polarizing quarterback prospect in this draft. He possesses the best arm in the class, along with some of the best overall ability seen in quite some time, yet his downside comes from his poor mechanics and college system.
Mahomes is a project but one with an incredibly high ceiling. If Chicago's offensive staff feels safe enough to take him on, the former Red Raider could reap massive rewards for Pace and company.
There’s going to be multiple first-round talents available at the start of Round 2 but if the Bears don’t take a quarterback in the first round and one of the top four passers is still on the board, Pace needs to invest in his signal caller of the future.
Alternate Pick: S Budda Baker (Washington)
Round 3
CB Kevin King (Washington)
The Bears plan to try last year’s fourth-round pick Deiondre Hall at safety this year. While there’s no telling where that experiment will lead, it allows the team's decision makers to keep their options open at defensive back and take the best player at either safety or corner.
King is a tall, rangy cornerback that profiles as a Vic Fangio-type pick. There’s speculation whether the Washington product would be better off moving to safety but he has the speed, coverage ability and overall “goods” to make for a top-end corner at the next level.
With the recent combine injury of King's teammate Sidney Jones, the cornerback class is somewhat in limbo right now but there’s no denying the top-end depth this class holds at the position, meaning the Bears could land a potential starter like King in the third round.
Alternate Pick: WR Carlos Henderson (Louisiana Tech)
Round 4 (Pick #111)
TE Jordan Leggett (Clemson)
Since the departure of Martellus Bennett, depth at the tight end position has been scarce. Zach Miller is on the wrong side of 30 and continues to struggle with health and, even with the addition of Dion Sims, the Bears could use another reliable target up the seams.
Leggett boasts good size (6-5, 260) and has reliable hands. He’s a former high school wide receiver and shows good athletic ability, as well as a willingness to block.
Jake Butt could be another option here if he’s still on the board but will likely have to sit the entire 2017 season out due to a torn ACL.
With such a deep draft, the Bears could land another potential starter in Leggett in the fourth round.
Alternate Pick: OT Julien Davenport (Bucknell)
Round 4 (Pick #117)
OLB Derek Rivers (Youngstown State)
Lamarr Houston is coming back from his second torn ACL in three years and Pernell McPhee has lingering health issues, which makes a developmental pass rusher a need.
There’s a strong chance Houston has played his last game as a Bear but without a suitable replacement, the team is in no hurry to cut ties. Enter Rivers.
A very impressive pass rusher from a small school, Rivers has good size and a lot of upside.
Alternate Pick: S Lorenzo Jerome (St. Francis)
Round 5
WR Kenny Golladay (Northern Illinois)
The Bears could use another big-bodied possession receiver and Golladay fits that bill. The local product is an upside grab in Round 5 and while the team’s first four receiver spots on the depth chart are currently spoken for, Golladay will have every chance to carve out a role for himself in a Glennon-led offense, and beyond.
Alternate Pick: K Zane Gonzalez (Arizona State)
Round 7
RB T.J. Logan (North Carolina)
Running back isn’t a big need for the Bears but speed and a dynamic skill set still has plenty of value regardless of the position. Logan is a bit undersized but is a speedster with the ability to be a weapon out of the backfield and a contributor on special teams.
Pro Bowl RB Jordan Howard’s job is set in stone but every spot on the depth chart behind him is still up for grabs.
Alternate Pick: P Austin Rehkow (Idaho)
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Sorry Boogie,
Outside of Soloman Thomas with the first ...
I'd shiitcan that whole draft.
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I like 1 and 4a, the rest is crap...
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If they take a RB anywhere, I'm gonna puke. We have much more pressing needs elsewhere. Load up on backfield guys. Get a QB somewhere, fine. DL? Sure. Even a OT would be great. RB?
(http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/e5d252d3508e7117356ed85b56870213425750d_t.gif)
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That draft was from Aaron Lemming, with the recent FA activities. Just sharing...
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It sure has a lot to be desired. It looked very amateurish.
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Interesting:
http://fansided.com/2017/03/22/2017-nfl-mock-draft-myles-garrett/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
We are going to see a lot of these in the next 5 weeks. Interesting to see the SF take Allen @2. Not having a QB go either 1 or 2 kinda eliminates a tradedown
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Ok here is who the Bears draft at #3:
Mitch Trubisky
I like Solomon Thomas, but he's too small to playDE maybe OLB. Jamal Adams is solid but not the ball hawk we need. Malik Hoooker is, but he's coming off 2 surgeries - maybe take him after a trade down. Allen had the injury history and I don't like him at DE.
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Ok here is who the Bears draft at #3:
Mitch Trubisky
I like Solomon Thomas, but he's too small to playDE maybe OLB. Jamal Adams is solid but not the ball hawk we need. Malik Hoooker is, but he's coming off 2 surgeries - maybe take him after a trade down. Allen had the injury history and I don't like him at DE.
Trubisky will not start. Adams will be an IMPACT player from day one.
Aaron Rodgers was drafted #24 in the first ... he sat on a bench for 4 years.
Trubisky is not Aaron Rodgers worth a #3 pick.
Wait until 2018 for Offense. 8)
Unless we snag one of this years crop of RB's in the later rounds.
(Of course if we have the chance to steal Mixon with our second...) ;)
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Unless we snag one of this years crop of RB's in the later rounds.
I'd like to snag one of those stud tight ends in this draft. To heck with the RBs
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Hey Jackie, you the new president of the Mike Glennon fan club?
Aaron Rodgers was drafted 24th, Brady in the 6th, Dak Prescott in the 4th, Russell Wilson....blah blah blah...go ahead and draft a Peterman in round 4.
As for Trubisky
- 30 TDs 6 INTs last season
- he's mobile in the pocket and runs a 4.67 40
- he's OVER 6-2 (by an 1/8 th of an inch)
- 68% completion percentage
- played against solid competition
After that I'd focus on defense - primarily in the backfield. Maybe add in a 3-4 guy too.
Offensively, maybe a tackle or a wideout - TE depth is pretty good with the Miami FA signing and Brown/Braunecker. HB is probably not a need with the signing of Benny Cunningham.
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Unless we snag one of this years crop of RB's in the later rounds.
I'd like to snag one of those stud tight ends in this draft. To heck with the RBs
A 3-13 team should go to where the talent is in any draft year.
This year it's DB's and RB's .
Remember that 2018 is shaping up for Offense in most phases.
The top TE's will be gone by round 2 this year. After that it's junk at that position.
However DB's and RB's will still be in play into the late rounds.
The talent is what it is at any position in any given year. DB's and RB's this year.
[/size]Hey Jackie, you the new president of the Mike Glennon fan club?
Aaron Rodgers was drafted 24th, Brady in the 6th, Dak Prescott in the 4th, Russell Wilson....blah blah blah...go ahead and draft a Peterman in round 4.
As for Trubisky
- 30 TDs 6 INTs last season
- he's mobile in the pocket and runs a 4.67 40
- he's OVER 6-2 (by an 1/8 th of an inch)
- 68% completion percentage
- played against solid competition
After that I'd focus on defense - primarily in the backfield. Maybe add in a 3-4 guy too.
Offensively, maybe a tackle or a wideout - TE depth is pretty good with the Miami FA signing and Brown/Braunecker. HB is probably not a need with the signing of Benny Cunningham.
Trubisky should go home to Cleveland with the #12 pick.
Hometown boy makes good. He'll be treated like royalty.
If they START him against the AFC North...
he'll wish to GOD DAA BEARRSSE did draft him and park a #3 pick on the bench. :D
Draft IMPACT players with every draft pick ... a 3-13 team screams for such.
A time for experiment is when we are 13 -3. :-*
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I might be inclined to take Trubisky but he just too small of a window to look into his future.
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Yeah, most mocks have the Bears taking Jamaal Adams. Solid player - very safe pick.
But do you take a safety at 3 that had ONE interception last season and touched the ball 4 other times...this over 12 games?
I understand the BPA myth but I'd be surprised if the Bears take a running back in this draft. I'd be looking at kicker before HB.
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I guess you take him at #3 if you have been stung so badly with 1st round picks. I still think we are stung by the White pick. And I am not sold on the shelf life of Leonard Floyd either.
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If you think that there is a future franchise QB at 3 you take him. If not trade down if you get a good deal. If no good deals to be had take the best available player. Up to Pace to decide if there is a franchise QB to be had or who the best available player is. If he **** this up he will be gone along with Fox next year.
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I might be inclined to take Trubisky but he just too small of a window to look into his future.
Carson Wentz in four years thew 612 passes. Trubisky in 3 years threw 572.
If Trubisky had 2 full years starting QB experience (BTW Wentz did not - he started 7 games his senior year) - Trubisky would be going #1 to Cleveland.
Carson Wentz NFL grade 6.53
Jared Goff NFL grade 6.51
Mitch Trubisky NFL grade 6.54
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Dallas your facts are flawed or gerrymandered. Trubisky only had one year as a starter at NCS. And Wentz had a ton of games. And If Trubiskty was so good why couldn't he beat out others earlier in his college career? I am not sold on Trubisky. Sorry!
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My facts are neither flawed nor gerrymandered.
Trubisky threw 125 passes in his freshman and sophomore years. I did not say he was the starter over the years.
Wentz threw 34 passes his first 2 years - he wasn't the starter either. Guess he wasn't good enough to start as a freshman or sophomore either.
The difference is Wentz played 4 years - started 2. Trubisky left a year early as a junior - so he only started the one year.
So yeah, the big question for Trubisky is he started one season...so let's hope the Bears just go with the safe pick.
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Amen. The safest QB I saw was Watson. He had two high level seasons and a national championship. Even he has flaws.
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Yeah, most mocks have the Bears taking Jamaal Adams. Solid player - very safe pick.
But do you take a safety at 3 that had ONE interception last season and touched the ball 4 other times...this over 12 games?
I understand the BPA myth but I'd be surprised if the Bears take a running back in this draft. I'd be looking at kicker before HB.
What are all of them seeing that you are not seeing ?
Geez Dal if every mock has us taking Adams what are you fighting against back ?
I understand the traditional taking a QB ... in the last thirty years ...
it has led to what ?
Not this year Dal ... the underlying principle of THE CHICAGO BEARS is DEFENSE !
BEARS DEFENSE has always handed the BALL to BEARS OFFENSE.
It's been the proven thru history that works.
Once we got away from it ... we really started suucking.
I guess you take him at #3 if you have been stung so badly with 1st round picks. I still think we are stung by the White pick. And I am not sold on the shelf life of Leonard Floyd either.
Cancel White and Floyd out.
OR ...
pencil them in for what's up and coming in the Draft.
We've only got seven chances to fuuck this up. Better make the most of it.
DB's and RB's in this draft are heavy ... make of it what you will.
DB's are so plentiful that we should snag two in the first two rounds for the next decade.
Mixon ?? A trigger that Halas Hall should be ready to pull when the time is right.
What round after the first ?
Meanwhile ... all things being what they are ...
lets assume it's the third round ...
DL line comes into play ... more DE then DT.
Round four assuming we didn't get Mixon ... the Draft is heavy on RB ...
if the Draft wasn't heavy on quality RB's then ignore the position.
However the Draft is heavy on quality RB's.
Take one.
Round five would be the QB that all the fans want that love torment ...
without seeing forward to 2018.
Round six would reinforce the first three rounds.
Round seven ... see above.
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Amen. The safest QB I saw was Watson. He had two high level seasons and a national championship. Even he has flaws.
There is no safe QB pick in round 1!
The safe pick at #3 is Adams. Soloman is close...he's kind of a freak athletically but he's undersized at 273 to play 3-4 DE. I think with his speed/agility he could play OLB.
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There is no round 6.
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Jackie,
In the NFL it's all about the QB, once you got him you can go after the other spots. Drafting is a lot easier.
Last year, we improved the pass rush and we signed the 2 FA ILBs and were decent against the run. Defense was ranked 15th.
But our DB play was horrid. This year it looks like Pace has upgraded the backfield to where we are now mediocre. With our high picks in round 2, 3, and 4, We can add one or two quality guys and hope the 2nd year guys (Bush, Carson, Hall) come around.
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DB's and RB's in this draft are heavy ... make of it what you will.
New trend in the NFL is that RBs aren't as important any more. The NFL is a passing league, so everybody tends to go for WRs and QBs and not RBs. Besides we already have a pretty good RB. Also this might be a historically good draft for TEs which we haven't had a good one since Ditka. I think its time to invest in one.
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Jackie,
In the NFL it's all about the QB, once you got him you can go after the other spots. Drafting is a lot easier.
Last year, we improved the pass rush and we signed the 2 FA ILBs and were decent against the run. Defense was ranked 15th.
But our DB play was horrid. This year it looks like Pace has upgraded the backfield to where we are now mediocre. With our high picks in round 2, 3, and 4, We can add one or two quality guys and hope the 2nd year guys (Bush, Carson, Hall) come around.
Dal,
We are a denigrated 3-13 team. On the slopes to 2-14 looking forward.
How can we save ourselves ?
We have very high Draft picks.
How best to use them to save ourselves ?
IMPACT players in every round to regain our credibility.
It's not about developmental players ... they have been our bane.
It's about CHICAGO BEAR players that walk onto the field DAY ONE ...
and say to the opposing players ...
I'M GOING TO KILL EVERY FUUCKING THING I SEE !!
THAT's who you DRAFT baby !!
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This is just about what I expect the Bears draft to look like:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/23/chicago-bears-seven-round-2017-nfl-mock-draft/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Could they do better than this? I think so. I am not enamored with Peterman. Just a guess by me but if the Bears sign Sanchez they might not even waste a pick on a QB. You can only keep 3 and right now they only have 2. We cant afford to waste a pick as we have too many needs. I don't like the TE. I like the Mississippi TE.
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Your score is: 14490 (GRADE: A+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 15 (IND): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 4: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 17 (WASH): Evan Engram, TE/WR, Ole Miss (A)
Round 3 Pick 1 (CLE): DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 17 (WASH): Ryan Anderson, OLB/DE, Alabama (B+)
Round 4 Pick 4: Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 4 Pick 10: JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern California (B+)
Round 5 Pick 3: Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (A)
Round 7 Pick 3: Jake Elliott, K, Memphis (B+)
Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (IND)
2019 Round 1 Pick
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I really like that draft.
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Super draft. Too bad Adams wont last till 15.
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That looks good, but do you really think Adams lasts until 15?
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Hiber
I don't understand how you got the Redskin picks - a couple round 1 trade downs I guess.
And how did you get Clevelands first pick in round 3?
Cam Robinson should go round 1 but he just might slip into round 2 (kind of like Goldman did for us a couple years back).
2 TEs?
I like the kicker in round 7!
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We need a kicker
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Dallas yeah trade downs. In that draft I got Indy's next years first rounder as well. I really think if we can we should trade down in this draft.
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Tweeted by Adam Schefter of ESPN: "Bears QB depth chart will be something like this: Mike Glennon, Mark Sanchez, David Fales, Connor Shaw. Hard to imagine them going QB early."
Fales? I didn't know we still had him. I kind of liked him. Me thinketh Pace has a plan and if the buble bursts he stands pat. My guess is he still takes one but Peterman seems like his goal. All these QB moves appear to be more of a smoke screen.
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I guess we don't have Fales:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/25/chicago-bears-mark-sanchez-2017-nfl-draft/
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No signing Sanchez is just insurance. Won't change any plans.
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This offseason Pace has filled in almost every position hole with B grade talent. Most of these roster fill-ins are upgrades over what we had last year, but almost all could still be upgraded in the draft.
Pace's board is wide open.
I'm kind of getting bored with the choice at #3..Adams? Solomon? Watson? Trubisky? Allen? and starting to look at the talent in the next few rounds. Again with the Bears overall lack of talent but no glaring holes he could go just about anywhere.
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A lot of the mocks I have done recently, I've been able to get Juju Smith-Schuster early in the 4th round. I would consider this a good get.
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I **** 15K on first-pick.com for the first time yesterday.
I'm pretty sure you get good points for acquiring a 1st rounder next year. I think I was offered a pick swap with the Jags, which they used to grab Trubisky, and then maybe traded down again to 14-15 or so, where I got more 2s and 3s and was still able to get Adams.
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New high score...
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=2a10a8ad-6736-4532-b95e-4fd3230da80c
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While its nice to score vs a computer, it wont help Pace if he tried the same tactic. Another GM will take advantage of your mistake.
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Yeah, if Pace can get 3 1st rounders, I would be stunned.
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Anybody care to fill in what we need after round 4?
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Pretty sure come draft day we'll all be scratching our heads again at some of the picks and it won't look anything like the mocks here....that's the Bears for ya...
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I think taking Adams early is a mistake... this team needs a LOT of help on the lines, we dont need to spend the 3rd overall pick on a SS.
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We need a 3/4 DE and an OT (swing tackle) and the lines are fine. We desperately need defensive backfield help (CB and S) and we need OLB help (pass rushers) which is where this draft is strong. Drafting a FS at 3 is what we need.
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No team EVER needs to draft a safety at 3...
When i see Jamal Adams i see more morris claibore and less Honey badger.
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This draft is what the Bears NEED to accomplish:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/27/chicago-bears-2017-mock-draft-four-round-snapshot/
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I found this interesting, but not surprising:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/25/2017-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-patrick-mahomes/
Bears workout Mahomes. Pace doing his dues. But that one was pretty much clandestine.
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That draft is the opposite of what we need... need a lot more depth on the lines... before they go all out for skill players.
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I lkike the tradedown ideas here but not the players selected: I liked the trade back up as well but not Kizer:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/26/chicago-bears-mock-draft-trades/
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That draft is the opposite of what we need... need a lot more depth on the lines... before they go all out for skill players.
Our line depth is fine. Its just the starter opposite Hicks is weak and we have no true offensive swing tackle that can play both OT positions. And this is a poor draft for OTs.
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That #3 has to go to a guy that will either potentially be a franchise QB or a perennial pro-bowl guy at another position. If you don't think that guy can be either, you have to trade down. If you can get one of those perennial pro-bowlers then you really need to take him because you hope you aren't drafting at #3 again.
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That's right, look at what the Bears gained drafting Urlacher, face of the franchise.
You don't get those chances often.
The strength of the draft is DB, it's best to spend 2 picks there.
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The first dropdown to 8 was good. I really think at 8 they could still get a good player there. I thought that the position they selected was a position of strength. I thought the choice was poor. I would be happy with that move. Getting 2 2's from the Panthers was super. And I liked the trade up into the 1st too. They could have gotten a premier QB there other than Kizer. Or they could have gotten a premier TE which they desperately need like the Mississippi TE.
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Also at 8 there is a chance that either Adams or H00ker would still be there.
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A very good chance...
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If we take Hoooker and he gets hurt or worse still isnt healed, Pace will get lynched. Just saying.
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Probably. He is still on the hook for Floyd and White
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15K again...
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=f3978c50-79ef-45f2-ad61-e3aae41e7b70
Traded down to middle of first round, getting Baltimore's 1 next year by doing so, then traded down in the second, and picked up an extra 3.
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Sorry Dave but Adams at 16 is kind of not happening.
And Mahomes in round 3?
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People who do those fantasy drafts live in a fantasy world believing those kind of drafts are reality.
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Yeah...Tunsil dropping to 12 last year from 1 wasn't happening either...
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Things happen, and anything is possible. You'd have to live in a fantasy world to believe otherwise.
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I don't remember the circumstances but Tunsil had a problem last year and he fell because of it. Could that or some other problem drop certain players? Sure. Right before the draft rumors start and players drop.
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Yes, and sometimes players drop simply because teams prioritize other positions...and think there is better value elsewhere, or position scarcity...there are a number of reasons players drop
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True. Its like the combine sending the Alabama LB home. He dropped. I see where the Bears went to see him recently. I saw a mock with the Bears taking him at 8.
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Reuben Foster is a great football player. One analyst (can't remember who) called him the best player in the draft.
ILB is not a need for us though...I'm all for BPA, but not when we can fill a position of need with another great prospect.
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Every year on the telecast, the cameras are on some poor schmuck who sat in the green room much longer than he, or any of the "experts", thought he would...happens every year, without fail.
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Happens every year
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Players can drop because there's a run on QB's or wideouts or whatever, leaving better players behind....
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Wasnt it Tunsil who got the bong/gas mask video leaked the day before the draft? Doh...
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I don't like this because I think its a reach but its that time of the year for it.:
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/27/15067508/2017-nfl-mock-draft-deshaun-watson-chicago-bears?yptr=yahoo&hl=1&noRedirect=1
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It's like it's pre-ordained by the football gods from on high ...
when the team that invented football needs help at DB ...
the system produces a mass of them.
Especially when some of the current DB's are being tazed in Iowa. ;D
REMEMBER : One IMPACT DB can replace any 5 DB's currently on the roster.
GIMME TWO !!
You may not be aware of this ...
we go up against Aaron Rodgers ... Matthew Stafford ... Sam Bradford ...
the idea is to eliminate the ford in your future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFQfeXugMVk
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From the Suntimes today:
Could he move the 3?
Pace didn’t rule out trading the No. 3 overall pick in next month’s draft to move down and get more selections, but no one has called him yet.
“It hasn’t gotten to that point yet,” he said. “We’re a month away now and I think those (trade discussions) will start happening.”
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Don't ever bite on your need ...
when you know what you need.
Just keep a level head.
Don't panic.
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Thought I did well overall. Traded down several times and traded up once. They really hated my 5th round though.
http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=4061d2e8-536b-4b13-afa8-1d3b98175f3d
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I really liked the 1st 5 picks, if only Pace could do that well. And I liked the additional 1st next year.
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I'd like to see us get a player with our #3 that we can plug in and forget about
for at least the next 5 years that goes to the Pro-Bowl every year.
It's called getting your money's worth.
Add more in other rounds and plan for 2018.
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Yeah, the program generally doesn't like it when you take the same position back to back like that...
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Yes ... I would take Joe Mixon in the top of the second ... why ?
Because the Patriots say they won't.
The only offensive player I would take in the first three rounds.
Mixon combined with Howard ... it's way too much.
Any BEARS QB could feel his way into the position without undue pressure.
With two to hand off to.
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Yeah, Mixon is definitely worthy of the 2nd round, but when you have Howard and some decent talent behind him but more importantly so much lack of talent elsewhere I think the Bears will probably pass.
Might be able to nab a good corner or FS with that pick - a WR might make more sense too. And we could always use another pass rusher in the line or at OLB. Or QB....or offensive tackle...see what I mean?
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Howard has all the markings of a bell cow. As delicious as it sounds to have an embarrassment of riches at running back, very hard to balance the load to keep two running backs in rhythm and happy. We have other needs and it is a deep draft on defense.
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If you are trying to develop a "Monsters Defense" that needs a lot of help you don't want to waste a pick on a position of offensive strength. Picks are hard to comeby.
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I actually had the same thoughts if McCaffrey fell to our 2nd round pick...we could line him up in the backfield, in the slot, split out wide...the possibilities are limitless.
Too many other needs, though...
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Nice article in the Trib today on Trubisky. In addition to his physical skills it sounds like he has good character.
Obviously he has the 1 year starting red flag but the article says something about drafting him as a backup and letting him develop with practice reps.
You improve by playing not watching real NFL games.
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IMHO we need to win games this year, not play a 3rd string QB to develop him. We need an immediate starter drafting as high as we are drafting.
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I actually had the same thoughts if McCaffrey fell to our 2nd round pick...we could line him up in the backfield, in the slot, split out wide...the possibilities are limitless.
Too many other needs, though...
McCaffrey will create problems for the defense. A very good RB with WR skills.
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My latest 7 round draft w/trade to Cleveland.Our #3 for the Brown's #12 in the 1st,#33 in the 2nd and #65 in the 3rd. This was done on the fanspeak"mock the draft" website.
1) Jamal Adams (S)
2a) Garett Bolles (OT)
2b) John Ross (WR)
3a) Cordrea Tankersley (CB)
3b) Davis Webb (QB)
4a) Jourdan Lewis (CB)
4b) Jake Butt (TE)
5) Roderick Johnson (OT)
7) Joe Williams (RB)
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This sounds like the old Cubs - lets throw some players together so we have a decent product on the field next year.
Whoopee, so we win 6 or 8 games with Glennon next year and we'll be back in the same spot next year at draft time.
Looking for an elite QB.
Or do you think Jamal Adams is the difference in taking the team to the playoffs?
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I don't know dallas. I know that Mahomes is the only QB I would take in the 1st.In my mock I was hoping for him to slip into the 2nd.It didn't happen.
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No edge rusher or DE?
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Dallas, give it up. There isnt an elite QB in this draft.
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My latest 7 round draft w/trade to Cleveland.Our #3 for the Brown's #12 in the 1st,#33 in the 2nd and #65 in the 3rd. This was done on the fanspeak"mock the draft" website.
1) Jamal Adams (S)
2a) Garett Bolles (OT)
2b) John Ross (WR)
3a) Cordrea Tankersley (CB)
3b) Davis Webb (QB)
4a) Jourdan Lewis (CB)
4b) Jake Butt (TE)
5) Roderick Johnson (OT)
7) Joe Williams (RB)
Joki it's pretty straightforward and well rounded in a defense heavy draft that we should invest in.
Swap out the OL picks for DL and we could be in business.
Plenty of CB's ... a QB ... TE ... WR (who's only in it for his 4.22 time).
Convince Cleveland who rules this draft. ;D
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Now I'm hearing of Adams referred to as more of an "in the box" safety.
I think his leadership skills would be a big bonus for the team but maybe H00ker is the better pick considering our pass defense needs.
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Thats the issue that has me torn. Adams is a SS and H00ker is more a FS, but he has the injury/health concerns. There has to be other alternatives. We need that FS thats a true centerfielder/intercepter.
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I like Adams, but a strong safety at #3? It's kind of like taking a guard at #3 or a 4-3 OLB.
So if Solomon is gone what other player at an impact position is available that has the same high grade of Adams?
Trubisky!
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Oh God no, may heaven help us.
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Bears Scouting Report: Defensive Lineman Solomon Thomas
This morning we continue our series of scouting reports on potential Chicago Bears draft targets in this month’s 2017 NFL Draft as week take a look at Stanford University’s leading pass rusher from the 2016 season, Solomon Thomas.
Player: Solomon Thomas
Position: Defensive end or Sub-Package Defensive Tackle
School: Stanford
Year: Redshirt Sophomore
Size: 6’3” and 273 LBS
The Chicago Bears are going to have a lot of options with the third overall pick. General manager Ryan Pace has consistently said that the organization will take the “best player available.” That is even more true because the team has signed Mike Glennon to be their starting quarterback. The Bears will take a quarterback in the draft, but it doesn’t have to be in the first round.
When having a top five pick, an important thing to remember is need is not the most important thing when deciding on choosing a player. With that being said, the Bears don’t desperately need another pass rusher, but if this player is available, the Bears are going to have a hard time passing on him.
Solomon Thomas was Stanford’s best defensive linemen last season and it wasn’t even close. In 2016, Thomas received multiple All-American honors and won the Morris Trophy, which goes to the Pac-12’s Defensive Player of the Year. He recorded 62 tackles (15 for loss) and eight total sacks. He was also one of the best run defenders in all of college football.
The Bears, and John Fox’s history tell us that the team will most likely take a defensive player with the third overall pick and Solomon Thomas will be the best player available.
Positives
Athletic Build: Thomas has great genes. His father, mother and uncle all played college athletics. He is able to get out of his blocks quickly thanks to his hands. He posses very skilled hands that are an important trait of every successful NFL defensive lineman. His athletic build also allows him to attack using his power and quickness to his full advantage.
Ability to Stop the Run: Due to his length and strength, Thomas has the unique ability to be a prolific run stopper. He is very strong when it comes to protecting run lanes and can get inside because of his quick first step. He is very agile, which allows him to explode into gaps and force losses in yardage and turnovers
Versatility: Thomas does not have a set position coming into the NFL. He has the skills to either play as an end or tackle on the defensive line. Some may see this as a disadvantage, but the ability to play multiple positions should have defensive coordinators excited.
Intelligence: Thomas is a bright kid. That is obvious considering he attended one of the best academic schools in the country. He has a lot of knowledge that allows him to play multiple positions and be successful at all of them. His knowledge helps him make calculated risks when choosing which gap to attack. Physical ability is important, but so is brains in the NFL.
Negatives
Tweener: Many scouts have labeled Thomas as a “tweener,” which means he does not have a set position. That also indicates that he may lack some reps that he could have benefited from having during his college days. This can be seen as a negative by some, but as I stated above, a defensive coordinator should have no problem using Thomas in the NFL.
Size: At 273 pounds, Thomas is not at the ideal weight for an NFL defensive tackle. However, he should be able to gain 10-15 pounds with the help of a team’s strength and conditioning coach.
Plays Tall At Times: Thomas has a negative tendency to play tall. That makes him prone to double teams at times. He needs to consistently be lower to the ground. Again, that is something that can be easily corrected through practice.
Snap Count: I’m not sure I would bring this up in another players scouting report, but it is very hard to find negatives with Thomas, so I decided to include. During his college career, Thomas would have issues with jumping off-sides. This is another small, correctable problem to have. With that being said, some NFL players still have a problem staying on-sides. Cough, cough Michael Bennett.
Conclusion
Solomon Thomas is one of the most underrated players in this year’s draft. The Bears may not have the immediate need of a defensive linemen, but choosing the best player available is something general manager Ryan Pace has stressed since January. Thomas could very well be that guy depending on the selections of the Cleveland Browns and the San Francisco 49ers.
Defensive coordinator Vic Fangio would find multiple ways that Thomas could help the defense. Personally, I believe Thomas will have the most success as a defensive end. Based on his skills and abilities I would compare him to Justin Smith or Michael Bennett.
The Bears are going to take a defensive player with the third overall pick. The question now is are they going to address the secondary or take the best player available? Everything points to the Bears doing what Ryan Pace says, but with this organization you never know.
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Bears Scouting Report: Safety Jamal Adams
Player: Jamal Adams
Position: Safety
School: Louisiana State University
Year: Junior
Size: 6-foot-1, 213 pounds
With the signing of quarterback Mike Glennon on the opening day of the NFL free-agency period, the idea that the Bears may go in a different direction than a quarterback with their third overall pick has gained some additional traction.
One of the names that has been suggested for the Bears by multiple NFL Draft experts, including Todd McShay in his most recent mock draft, is Jamal Adams, the junior safety out of LSU. Adams is the nation’s top safety recruit, after racking up 76 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, an interception, and four passes defended for the Tigers of LSU in 2016 during his junior season.
Adams would immediately make an impact on the Bears by anchoring a woeful secondary in the backfield at the safety position, even more so with the added depth moves that the Bears made in the last week or two, including the additions of Prince Amukamara, Marcus Cooper, and Quintin Demps.
Positives
Presence/Leadership: Adams has a strong presence on the field, and anchors the secondary with that presence and strength to back it up. Adams, one of the more NFL-ready players in the draft, would immediately anchor the secondary for the Bears with his commanding presence alone. Adams has been called a field general on the defensive side of the ball, and shown the ability to align his secondary properly before plays.
Run Defense: Adams has shown a high motor advancing into the box and looking to punish opposing running backs to this point in his career, and is not afraid to hit anyone. Adams changes gears well, and plays off the blockers to make clean open arm tackles on opposing ball carriers. The Tigers run defense, anchored in the secondary by Adams, was ranked second in the SEC in 2016.
Pass Coverage: Adams’ pass coverage skills are nothing to sleep on either, known for being a menace in the front seven, and blowing up opposing screen plays, Adams shows the capability to cover tight ends on pass routes with ease. Adams recorded five interceptions over the last two seasons, and made multiple pass defenses.
Negatives
Aggressiveness: As I mentioned earlier, Adams loves to play up in the box and wreak havoc on running plays and screen pass plays, unfortunately, his aggressiveness sometimes opens him up to play-action passes downfield.
Hands: Adams has shown a limited tendency to drop interceptions when back in coverage, limiting his ability to play a “center field” type role at the safety position, and while he was interchangeable between the two safety positions in college, the lack of hands will relegate him to the strong safety position in the NFL.
Conclusion
Jamal Adams is the best safety in the draft, and likely the best defensive back in the draft for that matter, and the Bears have lacked a commanding presence like Adams in their secondary since the days of Mike Brown, and Charles Tillman in his prime. Adams’ NFL Comparison according to many draft experts is one of the better safeties to ever play the game, Darren Woodson.
An anchor within the secondary, that was a leader on the field and in the locker room, are qualities being tossed around in conversation when speaking about Adams as we lead up to the NFL Draft less than one month from now. The Bears now have Glennon under center, and could take Patrick Mahomes out of Texas Tech in the second round of the draft to add some additional options and talent into the mix at the quarterback.
The Bears have always been known as a smash-mouth defensive minded team, at least in the years that they have seen success, and Jamal Adams would instantly help bring the Bears defense back to a place that it once was. He’s a smash mouth, hard hitting, field general on the defensive side of the ball who has the potential to be the center of a talented secondary in Chicago.
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Bears Scouting Report: Quarterback Patrick Mahomes
Player: Patrick Mahomes
Position: Quarterback
School: Texas Tech
Year: Junior
Size: 6-foot-3, 230 pounds
The Chicago Bears are going to draft a quarterback. The question is when?
The organization has been linked to Jimmy Garoppolo and Mitch Trubisky, but an unknown name may be the perfect fit for the Bears for several reasons. Patrick Mahomes of Texas Tech. is one of the most underrated players in the draft. His unique skill set makes him an intriguing option for the Bears. The best thing about Mahomes is he will most likely be available in the second round. The Bears can then use their third round draft pick to solidify the defense.
Mahomes is coming off a great season where he threw for 5,052 yards and had 53 total touchdowns.
He is a very talented athlete that could make a splash in the NFL.
Positives
Build: Mahomes is built like your typical NFL quarterback. At 6’3” and 230 pounds, he should have no problem transiting from the college to pro game physically. His big build also allows him to generate a lot of power from the right arm of his.
Arm Strength: When his mechanics are right, Mahomes has the best arm out of any quarterback in this year’s draft. He can make any throw, from any position, at any time. He reminds me of Aaron Rodgers at times with his ability to throw the ball far and accurately in awkward positions. Mahomes also has the ability to make quick, correct reads, which is lethal when paired with his arm strength.
Athleticism: Mahomes is a dual threat quarterback. In three years, he ran for 845 yards and 22 touchdowns. He almost has a Cam Newton/ Russell Wilson aura to him when he decides to run the ball. He looks very comfortable out there. His athleticism allows him to scramble around and find the open target. A lot of times a play breaks down and Mahomes makes something out of nothing.
Decision Making: Mahomes is the opposite of what the Bears are used to (Jay Cutler aka turnover machine). He simply does not make bad decisions. I touched on it before, but his ability to make quick, correct reads is something NFL teams should not overlook.
Pocket Presence: Many quarterbacks at the college level struggle in the pocket. Whether it be with awareness or poise. Mahomes excels at both. He looks very poised out there. He consistently steps up to avoid pressure and is constantly going through his reads.
Ability To Read Field: Mahomes doesn’t waste much time when he’s out there. His head and eyes are constantly moving from read-to-read. Even when he is scrambling his head is up and eyes are looking down field.
Negatives
Has only played in spread offense: This is becoming with several college quarterbacks. They have little to no experience taking snaps from under center. The number one overall pick last season, Jared Goff, had a similar problem. Mahomes is no different. He has played almost all of his college career in the spread offense.
Inconsistent Mechanics: For the most part, Mahomes throws with great mechanics. With that being said, there are times where he does many things that can be classified as bad mechanics. Things I’ve seen include:
Jumping before throw
Crossing opposite (wrong) fit while dropping back
Throwing off front foot
Throwing off back foot (failing to step into throws)
Overall, just really bad footwork at times.
Forces ball: There could be several reasons Mahomes tries to make every throw. It could have something to do with the program he played for. He and the offense had to carry Texas Tech. With that, comes extra pressure. Still, Mahomes only threw 10 interceptions this past season compared to 41 passing touchdowns. The positive is that Mahomes does not fumble, which is another thing that plagues a lot of young quarterbacks.
Conclusion
In my opinion, Mahomes is the best quarterback in the draft. He has the best arm and it’s not even close. When he has everything working together he reminds of Aaron Rodgers with his ability to scramble in the pocket and find open receivers down field, but because of his inconsistent mechanics, he resembles a young Mathew Stafford. People forget that Stafford had awful mechanics at the start of his career. He was able to clean a lot of them up.
Mahomes can do the same. He has flashes of being a franchise quarterback. He understands how to control an offense, but has to find a way to do it more consistently. Again, there is not a better overall talent in this year’s draft. Mahomes can learn to step into throws and how to play under center. The good thing about inconsistent mechanics is that they can become consistent. Arm strength and freak athleticism are things that cannot be taught. That’s what makes Mahomes such an intriguing player.
The Bears have a lot of moves to make. They need to do their homework on Mahomes. He could end up being the steal of the draft.
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Thomas seems to be an OLB candidate. To my way of thinking he is a 4/3 DE but isn't burly enough to play 3/4 DE. Thus to play in the NFL in a 3/4 he is also going to have to be able to drop back in coverage or he is going to be a 3rd down pass rush specialist. And we also have one of the same guys in the Florida or Florida State kid we drafted last year, who was basically a tweener too. I like him, but you need to find a position or scheme for him.
As for Adams, nice article but as I pointed out he is a SS and not a FS. Bur he would tighten up our defense especially guarding TEs and slot receivers.
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We've discussed tradedowns but this seems to be our best option, we'll see what develops. Maybe the Bears find a trade deal they like:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/01/2017-nfl-draft-draft-day-trades-chicago-bears/
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Wsfl gets it...my concern with Thomas is that he's another Bullard...he's a tweener. Too small for a 3-4 lineman...
Our defense hasn't had a leader type since Urlacher and Briggs left...give me the next Ed Reed and let him be our D's captain...
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Thomas is a great player, but to my knowledge has only played from the 4-3 DE spot.
We don't know how he would do standing up at DE.
As a pure pass rusher, I've heard NFL channel scouts say Barnett may be the better of the two.
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If you watch the highlights of Solomon you see a stud. I never saw that with Bullard. Just saying.
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Now if you could get Adams with #3 or a dropdown too and trede back up for say Adore Jackson and convert him to FS you might have something super
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I totally agree that Thomas' best position in a 3-4 is OLB. At 273 lbs he would get run over by 320 pound interior lineman if he played end in a 3-4. Bears could move him inside when they go 4-3 on passing downs. The guy runs a 4.69 40 and is quick as well as strong.
Bullard isn't in the same category as Thomas. He goes 290 and might be able to add a bit more weight but he needs to get stronger. His game is based on quickness and if that fails him he's very ordinary. Hopefully his sophomore year he improves - Bears got a spot open at LDE.
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Hmmm. I cant believe Bullard is 290. I dont remember him being 290 when he was drafted either.
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Bullard was around 270 when he was drafted
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He was 285 at the combine:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jonathan-bullard?id=2555335
...290 with the Bears
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Been saying the same thing about Adams. We have not had Mike Brown since we had... Mike Brown. Though Brown was more of a ball hawk. The safety puts the whole backfield in position, as well as plays their own position. Watching the Bucs teams of the 2000's, they had a leader at all levels. Sapp, Brooks, and Lynch. So important that we have that type of player on the back end.
Freeman gives us everything he has and is a plus player, but not the guy. Trevatathin, same. Hoping that Kwitkowski can grow but he is likely physically limited also. Adams would give us our Mike Brown, still in search of an Urlacher.
It will be interesting to see if D Hall or Fuller are given enough of a look at Free Safety and that may solve that position. That's a big wish...
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It is a big wish, clearly. But Hall played Safety at Northern Iowa as well as CB. If he could develop at least as a backup FS we should at least improve. He showed some skills last year in limited play. He looked very green. But we need a FS for sure. I like Adams, but he is a SS and not a FS.
My point is if we got Adams for SS and found a true FS in this draft as well we could improve in the standings dramatically. Our back end is horrible. Our takeaways were dead last in the league. I seriously doubt H00ker can stay healthy either. I remember the Senior Bowl and the Bears had this kid from a small school and he had a couple of interceptions. If he doesn't get drafted he sure would be somebody to get a look at in camp.
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Beings Colorado in in the PAC 10 now I don't catch their games on TV. I don't know much about the Colorado Safety. Is he a FS or a SS? Anybody know?
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I found this interesting:
"Fans clamoring for the Bears to select their quarterback of the future in this year’s draft should realize, the future in now. Not three years down the line, when a 2017 rookie quarterback is finally ready to step in and play meaningful snaps for the team."
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/01/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft-no-quarterback/
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If we did that dropdown with the Panthers at #8 and Adams was gone I'd consider Peppers there and with the two 2nds we got move up and take Budda Baker at SS. That might be a good decision.
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I guess it might have been Utah instead of Colorado as this Utah safety might be what the doctor ordered:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/01/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-mock-draft-april/
I could live with this draft although I personally prefer Adams at #3. Maybe we could fix that with the Panthers tradedown.
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If we go with any kind of a drop down in the 1st it should be Mahomes.
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Mahomes in the top 10? Unreal. Not happening.
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"Fans clamoring for the Bears to select their quarterback of the future in this year’s draft should realize, the future in now. Not three years down the line, when a 2017 rookie quarterback is finally ready to step in and play meaningful snaps for the team."
The future is now when you've put up several back to back last place finishes and your a$$ is on the line.
I know what Pace and Fox are going to do. They're going to build up the defense in the draft and hope their journeyman QB can make enough plays with his journeyman wide receivers and their aging injury prone TE and hope their bellcow HB can make it through the season.
And maybe they appease the QB clamorers and draft a guy in the 4th round...or maybe even the 3rd.
What I don't get is the folks that are saying that they haven't seen enough of Trubisky yet they are expecting us to buy in to Glennon which we have seen.
The goal of all this is to put out a respectable product that can win maybe 8 games if everything goes right. I get it.
And guess what? The future will be now in 2018 too.
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Been saying the same thing about Adams. We have not had Mike Brown since we had... Mike Brown. Though Brown was more of a ball hawk. The safety puts the whole backfield in position, as well as plays their own position. Watching the Bucs teams of the 2000's, they had a leader at all levels. Sapp, Brooks, and Lynch. So important that we have that type of player on the back end.
Freeman gives us everything he has and is a plus player, but not the guy. Trevatathin, same. Hoping that Kwitkowski can grow but he is likely physically limited also. Adams would give us our Mike Brown, still in search of an Urlacher.
It will be interesting to see if D Hall or Fuller are given enough of a look at Free Safety and that may solve that position. That's a big wish...
I would love to have a great safety. But Mike Brown was just about the best that the Bears have ever had at that position. Matching him is probably too much to hope for.
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I still cannot believe there are folks here advocating for a SS at 3.... that would be a giant mistake in a very deep DB draft we can get a FS and SS in the 3rd and 4th. we need DL and OL in the 1st 2 rounds.
Trade down to the 15 range and take the OT from Wisconsin, i cant spell his name.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701338-chicago-bears-mock-draft-finding-starters-in-every-round
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While that mock does address most of the position needs, I am not a fan of the picks except Budda Baker who is a strong safety. Where is the free safety? That's probably our 2nd most glaring need.
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I have read nothing that states Budda Baker is a strong safety - he's a fee safety.
I do like him with our 2nd rounder though.
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I found this interesting but not anything new or earth shaking, But on Yahoo?:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/inside-ryan-pace-head-three-120010253.html
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We could get Eddie Jackson in the 3rd or 4th for FS...
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DB is so deep this year, can get 2nd round talent at DB in the 3rd and 4th... why spend your 3rd overall on one? just makes no sense.
Give me Thomas/Allen or trade down.
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I especially prefer a tradedown if it nets us a 1st round next year. I prefer not to have to trade out of the top 10. And whatever position they name I want a starter. That means NO QB.
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The mocks that had us taking Allen have shifted to the corner Lattimore. I think Thomas is going the the 49ers.
Lattimore's quite the athlete with speed that typical Bear corners don't possess.
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A CB at #3? That's about as bad as the crybabies about taking a Safety at #3. Latimore is a reach at #3 for sure. This is getting stranger by the day.
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Latimore scares me with the multiple leg injuries. Just what we dont need in a speedy cb.....
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Allen or trade down.
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Allen has the arthritic shoulders and has already had surgery. He scares me too.
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Most of these guys have arthritis or the sort... Allen doesnt move like he is the least bit slowed down by what has occured in the past...
Ideally we trade down into the 13-15th pick range, grab an extra 2nd and 3rd for our troubles. then grab the OT Ryan R from Wiscy spend the 2 2's and 2 3s on 2 DB and 2 DL.
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The value of the 3rd pic is huge.
If you traded down to Clevelands 12th. The Browns would also have to give up the first pick in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round.
If Thomas dropped to 3rd you might find some takers but who else would want the 3rd pick to take Allen or Adams?
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I think someone will move up for Watson.
If the value is that great fantastic. add a 4th and a 2nd next year to the haul.
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I would value picks for next year so that in the event there were a QB of value next year we would have the picks to move up.
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Interesting that the Bears are doing due diligence but I sure wouldn't take a CB that high:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/03/2017-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-marshon-lattimore-visit/
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Agreed, but if they do a trade down, they want to know more about the top 12 picks I would think. So a trade down to 10 and take Lattimore? Perhaps
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I agree, which makes a trade down more interesting.
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I found this interesting. Again saying Latimore at #3.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-jets-gamble-on-trubisky-giants-saints-draft-future-qbs/
Saints may be a trade up candidate. Maybe Pace could engineer that. Maybe that's why the Bears went to talk to Foster.
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If we trade down and end up with Rueben Foster that wouldnt be so bad....
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No it wouldn't, not that I believe its a glaring need. But with the picks obtained we might be able to replace Latimore.
Strange that this site doesn't allow the word g@mble whether its in a link or written
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Foster may be as big an impact player as anybody.
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I still don't believe the Bears take Allen:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2017/4/3/15158492/2017-nfl-mock-draft-solomon-thomas-49ers-mitchell-trubisky-myles-garrett-deshaun-watson?yptr=yahoo&hl=1&noRedirect=1
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Interesting to see Howard as high as #4. I just don't see him at #4.
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https://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=b03c1b7c-d198-46de-8ca4-5606a3424552
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I cant believe Adams falls that far and how about a FS in a draft. We need a ballhawk centerfielder.
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Jamal Adams just ran a 4.38 at his pro day. Plenty fast enough to play FS I would think.
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Bears need help on Dline badly... stop trying to patch holes to make the play offs. build a beast.
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Good then maybe someone will trade up to take Adams.
He's NFL ready - very safe pick, but he's just a fast SS. Read his profile on nfl.com.
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DO NOT take a safety at 3... this is crazy talk. only makes sense if you are a team like the bronco's and have a bad year and fall into a high pick.
Taking a safety at 3 is a old browns management level move of stupidity.
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until you play Gronk in an important game
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Bears need help on Dline badly... stop trying to patch holes to make the play offs. build a beast.
OK so who fits your criteria. Better come up with player names. Not just any players fit a 3/4 scheme. IMHO the only Dline player who I believe is a keeper is Hicks.
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I don't believe I would take a TE this high but I saw a mock yesterday that Howard went 4th. The Bears got to see him at the Senior Bowl and probably talked to him there:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/05/chicago-bears-strongly-consider-drafting-te-o-j-howard-no-3/
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This was a great breakdown of OL. I would like to see the same for other positions as well:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2687979-nfl-draft-400-ranking-the-drafts-top-ots
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I found thin very interesting:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-nfl-draft-kevin-white-danny-trevathan-mailbag-20170406-story.html
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Taking a TE with 4 would be goofy. Adams would be worth that pick. So would Allen and a couple of the CBs. Defense is strong in this draft.
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Comparison of Thomas and Allen:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/04/05/d00972b0b61c462b80f18fb432249f13/index.xml?page=14
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Neither have Hicks's size. Both are basicly 4/3's same as Bullard
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Let's try this...rank the following 5 in order from most preferred to least preferred...
A) Myles Garrett
B) Jonathan Allen
C) Solomon Thomas
D) Jamal Adams
E) Malik Hook-er
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I think I am ADBEC
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I think I could agree with that.
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DAY ONE IMPACT PLAYER AT #3.
Goes to the Pro-Bowl most years ...
voted into Canton.
Who ya got? Remember ... you only get one try ...
BEARRSSE teams are Defense first ... but what position ?
DB or DL ?
Which drafted player most perfectly defines that mark of a BEARS player,
with so many options in play at defense ?
You may want to recall this : There is a second round. Fuucking high too. ;D
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A) Myles Garrett
C) Solomon Thomas
MITCHELL TRUBISKY
E) Malik Hook-er
D) Jamal Adams
B) Jonathan Allen
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DAY ONE IMPACT PLAYER AT #3.
Goes to the Pro-Bowl most years ...
I agree with that and Trubisky doesn't qualify Dallas
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Let's try this...rank the following 5 in order from most preferred to least preferred...
And yes, Tribusky does qualify for that list.
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I don't know this guys draft projection but he played for Fangio in the Senior Bowl and had a decent game. Maybe the Bears like him but he is a FS. I'm thinking maybe 4th rounder.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/10/2017-nfl-draft-daily-chicago-bears-target-st-francis-safety-lorenzo-jerome/
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Ok I know it is a dream, but what if Pace pulled the trigger on this:
By all appearances, Myles Garrett doesn’t have to worry about the Browns passing over him with the first pick in the draft. He should instead worry (some would say “hope”) that the Browns trade the pick to a better team, with the better team taking Garrett.
A trade down would fit with Cleveland’s current obsession to have as many baskets as possible for carrying their eggs. And the best play would entail trading down and claiming that the guy they select at a lower spot is the guy they would have taken all along.
Which is perhaps the only way to explain the claim from Jason La Canfora of CBS that running back Leonard Fournette is “in play” for the No. 1 overall pick. Surely, he’s not. But he’s perhaps in play to be picked at a lower spot by the Browns, who would then be able to credibly claim they would have taken him at No. 1 if they trade down and draft him later.
For that reason alone, the Browns should say nothing about what they plan to do with the No. 1 pick until they do it. A trade down would be perceived by fans and media as a coup if the Browns can credibly take the position that whoever they’d get later is the guy they wanted right out of the gates.
So Fournette is in play. As is pretty much any of the guys who will be taken in the top 10, in the event the Browns trade down but stay in the top 10.
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Browns had 26 team sacks last season. And the best player in the draft sacks QBs.
It is entertaining to read Garrett's comments though about him not getting drafted first.
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Jerry Jones might go ahead and Ricky Williams this draft for Garrett. hah.
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Jones might, and that would be about as smart as trading your draft for Ricky Williams.
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Check out CBS sports latest mock to see who Dane Bugler has the Bears taking at 3.
(hint: it's a QB)
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Hint Dallas: Is Trubisky a day one starter? A plug and play pick? I would hope not. If Cleveland even smelled the possibility they'd be in trade negotiations with the Bears for either #1 or #12 because I truly believe their "wish" draft is Garrett at @1 and Trubisky @ 12.
If you are in favor of any current QB at #3, which it appears you are, I would ask you this: How many times do you expect the Bears to be in the position to draft at #3 or higher? Hopefully ZERO. Thus you don't want to draft a redshirt, a player you have to wait a few years for them to play with the #3 pick, you want a plug and play player, an instant starter. The only way you draft a redshirt like that is if you are set at all your other positions and you can wait for your redshirt. A team like the Patriots would qualify as a team that could or would do that.
None of these QBs in this draft are plug and play players. They are all redshirts. The Bears are so horrible, they cant afford a redshirt. They need instant starting caliber players to fill the numerous holes they have.
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Flawed thinking wshful.
Draft the player that will give you the most value over time. If he is a Pro Bowl QB and needs to redshirt its the right pick. QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other position.
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"We'll see", said the blind man.
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And flawed thinking Method , I somehow remember you in a few posts above recommending the Bears investing in the OLine which is supposed to be so horrible in your opinion.
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I think we need OL and DL this draft.
I dont think plugging holes this draft is going to solve anything. I'd like to see a OL, DL and 2 DB added this draft. then go for more skill players next year... but OL and DL first.
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Why would Trubisky have to sit on the bench for a year or more?
Are you that much enamored with Ichabod Crane?
In fact I like CBS's second round choice of safety Josh Jones - a fast big hitting free safety.
Round 3, 4a, 4b, and 5 get a 3-4 DE, CB ,OT and WR (not necessarily in that order).
Round 7 kicker.
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Why would Trubisky have to sit on the bench for a year or more?
Lets turn that question around. Why wouldnt he have to sit on the bench for a year or more? Is he that good? Are you more knowledgeable than the NFL experts who say that this years crop of college QBs is substandard? All but one are spread QBs in college. They arent adept in a pro-style offense. Defenses are different. You seem to a proponent of any QB in this draft to be a day one starter regardless of draft gurus such as Charlie Casserle say, a former GM.
I believe you need to get day one starters at #3. I dont think we can retard the team's improvement by drafting a QB at #3, late 1st after taking a QB after moving back up, sure.
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Why would Trubisky have to sit on the bench for a year or more?
Lets turn that question around. Why wouldnt he have to sit on the bench for a year or more? Is he that good? Are you more knowledgeable than the NFL experts who say that this years crop of college QBs is substandard? All but one are spread QBs in college. They arent adept in a pro-style offense. Defenses are different. You seem to a proponent of any QB in this draft to be a day one starter regardless of draft gurus such as Charlie Casserle say, a former GM.
I believe you need to get day one starters at #3. I dont think we can retard the team's improvement by drafting a QB at #3, late 1st after taking a QB after moving back up, sure.
You need to get the most surplus value for your draft slot, not a day 1 starter. If day 1 starter ist he goal take Allen. He's on the DL and a day 1 starter.
Its a strong DB draft, can get excellent value in those rounds. Ideally move down and take allen or Ramcyzk and gain some draft picks.
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Never said I was smarter than all those draft experts that said...whatever.
Hey, but arent they the same guys who said Jared Goff was the consensus #1 pick? And they also passed on Dak Prrscott into the 4th round?
Bottom line is there's s lot of luck in drafting especially with QB.
I like Tribusky / it's just my opinion. But hey, if you think drafting a strong safety at 3 that can't cover real well then go with that nice safe pick. He'll go great with that nice steady immobile journeyman QB.
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Hey Dallas I don't hate Trubisky, I just don't think he is #3 worthy. Any QB would be a reach above 15. But OTOH at 12 the Brownies can g@mble after getting the defensive player most likely to succeed at #1.
And think of this, the Bears have a history of 1st round draft failures. I don't want to see another one, not at #3.
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If you really like a guy, especially in the first round, you don't hope he falls to you after a trade down, in fact, you may want to trade up to get him.
If the Bears like Trubisky, he should be there at 3. If they kind of like him and are willing to draft equivalently ranked players then you can play the game of trading down and taking what's left from your pool.
I don't know where you are getting your info but the most likely destination of Trubisky right now is not Cleveland at 12 but the Jets at 6. If the Bears are smart and don't want Trubisky they should invite him in for a workout and maybe make the Jets panic (see CBS mock draft article).
Yeah, the Bears have had a history of bad #1s, but I don't believe in curses and Pace seems to know what he's doing with his recent drafts. A history of bad first rounders just means that we're do... overdue for a really good one!
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I'm sure there's some disagreement but a lot of sites have Trubisky going top 10.
His NFL grade is at or above recent QBs taken in the last few years, including Wentz and Goff. The only guy that was head and shoulders above him was the Indy QB...Luck.
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I watched the NFLN mock draft show last night and they highlighted Bucky Brooks selections. He had Garrett, then Adams at 2 going to SF, the we drafted Lattimore at CB. Deshon Watson was the only QB selected in top 10, I believe it was two the Jets
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And I agree that the draft is a crapshoot. Every year.
It looks like my prediction that a QB will be taken in the first two picks is in jeopardy though. We'll see...
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I just cant justify any of the top 3 QBs with a selection at #3, just not worthy.
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I don't know where you are getting your info but the most likely destination of Trubisky right now is not Cleveland at 12 but the Jets at 6
OK, lets suppose I get wind of this if I am the Browns. Then I call to the Bears and say I will give you #12 and our #2and #3 for your #3, because Trubisky is a Cleveland area prospect (their homeboy). They have been quiet about their likes for him but if the Jet noise gets louder I expect the Browns trying to move up from 12.
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I found this interesting. It gives a what if and best case and least lowest options
http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/12/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft-targets/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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They need to think about a back up RB rounds 5-7.
Howard is the kind of back that has a short career life.
We need to divide the carries more and don't have adequat back up.
Langford had an ankle all year and didn't show much when he came back.
Carey just plods along. We could really use a fresh guy with some mojo.
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I agree with that philosophy. The problem is magnified by the lack of a kick returner and a pass catcher out of the backfield like Forte was. Also we have no 6th round pick this year
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Being at 3-13 ...
What do DAA BEARRSSE need ?
Let's look at what's deep in 2017 ...
DB's and DE.
Of COURSE Halas Hall will take a Long Snapper with the #3 pick.
Because that's what you expect from the corporate brain trust that has let us down ,
since 1985.
However ... what if those fuucks pulled their heads out of their asses ?
It could happen !
Taking TWO DB's in the first two rounds ...
solidifying a position of need for at least the next 5 years from a crop that everyone
acknowledges is the best DB class EVER.
#3 Take a DE ... fat city on those too.
Take what God gives you ... not what you hope will be.
That leaves four positions left to fill. What do you do with them ?
Damn shame we won't get Joe Mixon .
I've heard rumor's from expert's that there will be a 2018 Draft.
This has yet to be confirmed ... BUT IF THERE IS ...
word on the street is this is where QB's and OL will predominate.
You take what's handed to you in whatever year of anything.
That's how you build a team ... what's best available this year ?
What's best available next year?
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BPA is somewhat of a myth
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For Dallas and his undying belief the Bears should take Trubisky at #3:
http://nflmocks.com/2017/04/13/2017-nfl-draft-faces-of-the-franchise/
I am sure we will see desperate teams reach for a QB, I just hope it isn't the Bears. All these QBs have flaws as the article illustrates. IMHO being compared to Teddy Bridgewater isn't an exciting comparison. The most interesting comparison was Mahomes to Drew Brees.
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You can quote whatever article you want about the QBs in this draft but the bottom line is that every f-ing QB coming into any draft has some sort of flaw. And if you want perfection matched up with your picks in the draft you will never draft a QB ever. Yeah you got have some balls and maybe a lot of luck.
Now I'm hearing talk that Cleveland is getting spooked that Trubisky might go to the 49ers or Bears. If he wasn't a legit quality option early in the draft this talk wouldn't even be occurring.
Two words for you and all Bear fans:
Mike Glennon
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BTW the Bears attended Trubiskys pro day AND met with him privately.
Now do I think the Bears will draft him?
Probably not. I'm thinking Solomon Thomas is first priority followed by Malik Hoooker. Round 3 they go Peterman.
But Trubisky is definitely in play for the Bears whether you want to admit it or not.
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Sure hearing a lot of hype over Watson lately.
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Believe it or not I believe Watson is the best QB in this class, but I wouldn't take him at #3. Even if they took any QB of their choice at #3 they'd still have mediocre QBs and wont improve on that 3-13 record.
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Mike Glennon
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Mark Sanchez
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2003 Carson Palmer first, Byron Leftwich 7th, Kyle Boller 19, Rex Grossman 22, yes it's a big risk.
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Are any of the QBs in this draft any better than Mike Glennon? Who knows. I am not inclined to believe anybody but Watson might be.
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Saw one mock with Bears taking Watson in the second round. There's a lot of crazy mocks.
If it goes Garrett then Thomas, Bears phone might be ringing with offers from the Jets or Browns.
Jets would only be a drop of 3 but we would also get the Jets 2nd rounder and a mid 4th.
Dropping to Browns 12 - we would get both their 2nds and their 4th.
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I stated before that if the Jets tried to move up for a QB that it would cause a problem for Cleveland. IMHO the Bears at 6 would suit me fine. Better yet would be the Bears getting Garrett at #1.
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I have yet to meet even one Bears fan locally who think Mike Glennon starting is a good idea, or why on earth the Bears went after him to begin with.
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Tough to find a Kyle Orton / Rex Grossman combo these days to take them to another SB
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That's why it makes no sense to take another at #3. I don't believe any of the big three gets a SB ring unless its as a backup
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Sounds like the trade up of teams into the top five is for Fournette rather than a QB.
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I was hearing that last week.
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Perfect, he should be there at 3.
One of the QBs Soloman, or Fournette will be there... i think best case is trade down and get ramsyk!
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Day one IMPACT player @ #3 Pro Bowler ... future Canton.
Anything less and we suuck. That also apply s to round two.
After that if they don't get to Canton ...
well at least we tried in the right direction for once.
I hope Kevin White proves me wrong .
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Scenario.
Team trades up to Cleveland to grab Fournette. 49ers select Trubiskey. Bears phone is ringing from the Jets, and they are offering their first this year, their 2nd this year, and their first next year. What do you do?
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I take Garrett and dont think twice. Actually I probably dont even answer the phone.
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That's a very hard choice. That 1st next year is enticing. That would push QB back to next year. Passing on Garrett would really be almost a crime. He just might be the game changer Fangio needs to make his defense go. Its hard to say what Pace would do. It might depend on who the Jets are trading up for. Maybe the Bears trade up from 6 to 4 and take Garrett without giving up the Jets !st next year, That option would be sweet.
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If every mock draft had ten ILB's as the first ten picks ...
and pick #11 was a QB ...
the MEDIA would focus on pick #11.
QB's are the "stahs."
It's just the way the system works.
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I take that trade, all day, every day.
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How does Halas Hall pass on DB & DL in this draft in the first three rounds ?
Unless yer stupid ... or Joe Mixon is in the mix in the second round.
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This draft has no trades which I expect:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-davis-webb-lands-in-first-round-after-three-qbs-picked-in-top-16/
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With this draft the Bears stay at #3 take Adams then move back into the first and take Kizer:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-three-round-mock-includes-15-trades-seven-quarterbacks/
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I wouldn't pass on Thomas in that scenario for the SS Adams.
Thomas has a better grade than Floyd. Get your corners/safeties in rounds 2 thru 4.
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Grade, shmade. Its not grade that counts its fit that counts. I dont see him as a 3/4 DE. I view him as a 4/3 DE
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Who said anything about 3-4 DE - you read too much of what other people say.
Thomas is an inch shorter and a pound heavier than Myles Garrett. Garrett runs a 4.64 forty and Thomas a 4.69. But you'd have no problem putting Garrett at OLB.
Bears run 4-3 a lot on 3rd down...whatever alignment you want whatever position you want - just put him out there.
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A couple of random thoughts.
All this chatter about Bears and a QB at 3, is just the Bears trying to find trading partner.
I really hope we draft a K in the 7th round. There are 2 good ones in this draft and one of them should be there for us in the 7th.
Draft is deep on CB and S, I personally would prefer to wait and draft those after the 1st round.
Build the trenches. OL and DL talent is the most important for successful teams. Build the trenches.
WR has to be on the needs list, no one even considers us taking one early. Might be a good 2nd round pick.
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Report: 49ers, Bears “most antsy” to trade down in first round
Posted by Josh Alper on April 17, 2017, 6:59 AM EDT
AP
Last year saw each of the first two picks in the draft get traded ahead of the start of the first round, but it doesn’t look like we’re in store for a repeat of that this year.
If the teams in those slots get their way, however, we could see the second and third picks get traded. Peter King of TheMMQB.com reports that the 49ers, who pick second, and the Bears, who pick third, are among the “most antsy” to trade down in the first round of the draft. The Jets, who pick sixth, join them in that group.
49ers General Manager John Lynch has already said the team is “open for business” and we’d guess the other two teams have sent a similar message even if they haven’t made it public. King also reports that the other side of the market hasn’t developed as few teams want to move up. Assuming the Browns take Myles Garrett with the first pick, King writes that “there’s about 15 other players who could be number two on 32 draft boards” and that likely lessens the pressure felt and the compensation offered by teams trying to get to No. 2.
It only takes one team to shake up that scenario, of course, and that’s especially true if someone falls in love with a quarterback that they want to ensure winds up on their roster on April 27.
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Yup Peke and the Niners and the Brownies seem to be the most likely fit:
http://nflmocks.com/2017/04/17/2017-nfl-draft-trade-makes-sense/
So if the Browns move up to 2 and likely take their homeboy, what do the Bears do? I think this QB fear by the Browns is a smokescreen compliments of the Bears. I think the Bears want to move down and are looking for the right team to move down a few spots and pick up another pick or two. I believe the Bears want good players at other positions of need such as secondary, but don't want to waste #3 on a safety.
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IMPACT players ... Pro-Bowlers ... Canton.
Hopefully if we pull this off with these picks we will never draft this high ever again.
Quality always outlast's quantity.
There's a shiitload of Chevy cars out there ... and less then 400 Duesenberg's .
Car collectors pay millions for a Duesenberg ... Chevy can be found at any used car dealership.
We need to draft the cream of this draft.
Duesenberg. Chevy's we can get plenty of at any time.
I suppose I could substitute Ferrai or Lamborgini in place of Duesenberg ...
but it doesn't have the same panache.
I always loved this quote about Duesenberg's :
When you get to 90 mph ... shift to third gear.
Yer just getting started about moving.
That's the kind of BEARRSSE players we need.
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Position player draft question.
Throwing out the QB position and assuming we stay at 3.
Lattimore
Allen
Thomas
Adams
Hooker
Of the group, Adams and Thomas do not have injury history. Allen has had shoulder issues, but I don't know that he has missed much time. I think I would take Lattimore off the list, he scares me with the hamstrings and actually missed a year for hamstring surgery. It is projected that H00ker will have the higher ceiling, but also has an injury history. I'll cheer for who ever we pick, but I think I would be most satisfied with Adams, Thomas, or Allen.
My gut tells me we trade down a few slots. Someone is going to want a QB or Fournette. If we dropped to say 8, we wouldn't be in command of who we got, but we would still be in line to get one on the list or someone else pushes their way up like a Reuben Foster, the Alabama TE - (not a giant need compared to our others) or another wild card.
Pace seemingly plays it pretty safe, I don't see too wild of a wildcard at this slot, though any of the QBs being talked about would not surprise me.
What a year to be sitting at 3 and not have that stud left offensive tackle not there!
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I read something somewhere that Rueben Foster failed his combine recheck. Although I cant seem to find where I read that. If false, and we trade down and grab him that wouldnt tick me off.
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He needs another shoulder surgery... stay away.
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Foster or Allen?
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Foster
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Foster is a 4/3 DE
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Isnt Foster more of a MLB?
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Foster is an ILB.
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He's projected as a 4-3 WLB or possibly 3-4 ILB.
Combine has him at 6 foot 229lbs. Apparently he list some weight after the season. Was 245.
Injury drops him out of the first round / maybe someone like the Cowboys take him at the top of round 2?
(ND's Jaylon Smith)
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49ers Desperate to Trade Down; League Believes Trubisky is the Pick
Updated April 20, 2017
By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.
Yesterday, WalterFootball.com reported that the New York Jets were in discussions to trade down in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft. Another team that wants to move down is the San Francisco 49ers.
With Cleveland appearing to be settled on Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett with the No. 1 overall-pick, the 49ers' selection at No. 2 is the first mystery pick of the 2017 NFL Draft. WalterFootball.com reached out to sources from teams across the league to gauge what they are hearing about the 49ers. One general manager of a NFC team said the 49ers are "desperate to trade down."
New San Francisco general manager John Lynch has been clear that they are open to trading as he proclaimed the pick was "open for business." The NFC general manager implied that there is some indecision within the 49ers on whom they would take if they are unable to move down.
In surveying other teams, four different teams think San Francisco will take a quarterback at No. 2 if they are unable to move down. The quarterback they think the 49ers would take there is North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky. Some team sources say that Trubisky is a good fit for Kyle Shanahan's offense. The 49ers have done extensive work into all of the quarterback prospects. With Cleveland taking Garrett, that gives the 49ers the chance to select the top quarterback prospect in the 2017 NFL Draft.
However, there are persistent media rumors that the 49ers will wait a year to make a run at Kirk Cousins. Thus, across the league, teams really don't know what San Francisco intends to do with the second-overall pick. They are desperate to trade down, while others think they will take Trubisky if they are stuck at No. 2
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill#eBsvr1KWdXm52TrH.99
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Talking heads on TV were yakking it up about the 3 players in this draft that will be remembered 10 years from now.
Garrett
Adams
Allen
I hope we take Adams because of the pass happy division we are in.
A CB in the second will round out a secondary in bad need of upgrade
that we should plug in & forget for the next five years.
Cutting gobs of unneeded DB's already on the team in the process.
Freeing up openings for other positions of need.
What do we do with the rest of the rounds ?
Taking DL with pick #3 would be nice.
After that .................................. ???
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Did I say CB in the second round ? My mistake.
I meant to say SHUTDOWN CORNERBACK in the second round.
Because as we screw around ... the NFL is passing us by.
Enough BEARS fans ... Enough !
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to keep a lagging conversation going:
how about this guy in round 4?
Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
Height: 6-3. Weight: 198. Arm: 33.
40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2017): 2-3.
3/25/17: Some team sources really like Witherspoon and have given him second-day grades. Teams like his size and length, but also say that he has speed to run, plus impressed in covering Washington speedster John Ross during 2016. On the year, Witherspoon notched a staggering 22 passes broken up. He also chipped in one interception with 23 tackles. As a junior, Witherspoon had 36 tackles with three breakups and two interceptions. Some team sources expressed concern about Witherspoon with coach-ability and football character, but overall, teams like him off the field and like his intelligence.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2017CB.php#KcLSPjSRiY2dvU4T.99
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Lagging conversation usually means that both party's are bored and the babe is unzipping your pants.
Let's take Witherspoon at #4.
Play this thru Davebear ...
Adams
CB
DL
CB ... Witherspoon
That's serious throw weight in a division where we are on the hind teat ...
of every QB that tosses a rock in our division.
Your usual BEARS fan would be screaming for OFFENSE in round #4 ...
whether it would do the TEAM any good or not.
I wonder in this DEFENSE heavy draft if anybody has the BALLS to ...
wait for it ... go DEFENSE with a fifth pick ?
Nah ... It'll never happen ... sooner or later that OFFENSE bug rises to the top.
It's ingrained into the thinking of any fan anywhere.
What's interesting about the 2017 draft ... is the 2018 draft.
Where OFFENSE will prevail.
QB anyone ?
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A 3-4 DE is slim pickings in this draft. I think Allen would be my pick at 3. However thats if everything checks out on injury history.
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Allen is a stud.
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Everything you read about Allen, except for the possible injury, says he's an elite guy. But for some reason I'm just not into picking him at 3.
I do like the Witherspoon kid from Colorado...could he last to our 3rd pick in round 3?
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Ok take him off the list:
The Scouting Combine officially didn’t go well for Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster. Apart from being sent home after an altercation with a health-care worker at the hospital where prospects are poked and prodded, Foster failed the drug test.
Foster, acknowledging that someone eventually was going to violate his privacy rights by reporting on a failed drug test under the substance-abuse policy, opted to disclose the situation to one of the outlets that would have been ready and willing to violate his privacy rights by reporting on the failed test.
“This is something that’s going to get out,” Foster told Ian Rapoport of NFL Media. “I don’t make excuses. I’m a real dude. I try to be a good person. . . . I just hope the coaches understand and that’s all I can hope and pray for.”
The positive result came from a diluted sample. Foster explained that he was sick before the Scouting Combine, with vomiting, diarrhea, and cramping. He opted against an IV, obtained medication from a doctor, and began to hydrate.
“I couldn’t eat much, but I had to drink water and Gatorade,” Foster said. “Then a few coaches said something about me being too light. And I’m a coach-pleaser. I don’t care what everybody thinks, but I care what coaches think. So I drank and ate as much as I could without throwing up. Then I went in there, drinking and drinking water, trying to flush out my system from whatever was making me sick and trying to keep my weight up and took the test.”
The explanation makes sense for the most part. The claim that he was “trying to flush out my system from whatever was making me sick” feels a bit like a Freudian slip, since the rule regarding diluted sample arises from the concern that people will consume excess water in an effort to flush evidence of banned substances from his system.
Foster doesn’t know what any of this will mean to his draft stock, but he embraces the possibility that he’ll slide.
“If it’s first round, second round, whoever takes me will get a good football player and an All-Pro,” Foster said. “I hope I go on Thursday, but I can’t control that.”
He also has no qualms about being placed in the drug-testing program. Which is good, because he will be.
And that’s the primary risk that a team will be taking in accepting his version as true. If he’s instead saying what he has to say to salvage his draft status, teams need to be sure that he will consistently choose football over whatever substance may have been in his system once he knows he’ll be tested on a regular basis.
After all, he knew he’d be tested at the Scouting Combine, and he failed the test anyway. If the dilution was indeed the result of an effort to conceal banned substances and not something that happened as he tried to deal with an illness, it’s fair to worry that he’ll fail more tests.
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That seems like a viable excuse...can someone with more medical expertise add anything?
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Thats what I thought at first, but he is the guy who got kicked out of the combine after getting in a tussle with the medical staff person. Just a little too many red flags there.
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Mr Foster - stay out of the draft green room
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More information is needed in both circumstances, although I think if the combine officals sent him home that's a bad sign.
The shoulder injury question is also a concern.
Still hard to pass up if he's dropped to the second round.
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Sounds like a good second round pick.
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The guy does have this little bit of Butkus in his game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPgiyYDKQe8
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Looks like a great player but not at three. Not with injury and drug issues. Plus he apparently can't catch the ball so probably not a guy who will get you an INT here and there.
He has a weird way of tackling. He hits with force but not much wrap up. Was he playing with a cast on one of his arms for most of those highlights?
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I don't think anyone wants him at three.
The question is second round since it looks like he will drop a lot.
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Based on that video I would take him in the 2nd round in a heart beat.
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Yeah I was kind of big on him, but not in the first. If his head is on right, he could be a superstar. If not, a huge bust. Feast or famine.
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We drafted a LB in the first round last year.
Foster needs foster care according to his MO.
Hey what about this : SIDNEY JONES CB ... projected high before injury.
How would you play this angle ?
Despite the Achilles injury he will bounce back .
Should Halas Hall take a hunch on him in bottom rounds ?
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As much as the Bears love injured players it wouldn't shock me if they took him at #3.
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Mike Mayock had Jones as the best corner before the injury.
So a later round pick could be a real steal.
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Yeah I really like Sidney Jones.I would not bat an eye if we were to grab him in the 3rd.
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1. cleveland-browns-logo Cleveland Browns (1-15): Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M
2. carolina-panthers-logo Carolina Panthers (6-10): Leonard Fournette RB LSU
TRADE ALERT! The Panthers give up their #8 and #40 picks in exchange for #2.
3. jacksonville-jaguars-logo Jacksonville Jaguars (3-13): Solomon Thomas DL Stanford
TRADE ALERT! The Jaguars give up their #4 and #148 picks in exchange for #3.
4. chicago-bears-logo Chicago Bears (3-13): Jamal Adams S Louisiana State
5. cleveland-browns-logo Cleveland Browns (1-15): Mitchell Trubisky QB North Carolina (From Los Angeles)
TRADE ALERT! The Browns give up their #12 and #52 picks in exchange for #5
6. new-york-jets-logo New York Jets (5-11): Marshon Lattimore CB Ohio State
7. san-diego-chargers-logo Los Angeles Chargers (5-11): Malik Hooker S Ohio State
8. san-francisco-49ers-logo San Francisco 49ers (2-14): Reuben Foster LB Alabama
9. cincinnati-bengals-logo Cincinnati Bengals (6-9-1): Taco Charlton DE Michigan
10. buffalo-bills-logo Buffalo Bills (7-9): Deshaun Watson QB Clemson
11.new-orleans-saints-logoNew Orleans Saints (7-9): Haason Reddick LB Temple
12.tennessee-titans-logo Tennessee Titans (9-7): Mike Williams WR Clemson (From –Philadelphia)
13. arizona-cardinals-logoArizona Cardinals (7-8-1): Patrick Mahomes QB Texas Tech
14. philadelphia-eagles-logo Philadelphia Eagles (7-9): Quincy Wilson CB Florida (From – Minnesota)
15. indianapolis-colts-logoIndianapolis Colts (8-8): Jonathan Allen DL Alabama
16. baltimore-ravens-logo Baltimore Ravens (8-8): Marlon Humphrey CB Alabama
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17. washington-redskins-logo Washington Redskins (8-7-1): Derek Barnett EDGE Tennessee
18. tennessee-titans-logo Tennessee Titans (9-7): OJ Howard TE Alabama
19.tampa-bay-buccaneers-logoTampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7): Garett Bolles OT Utah
20. denver-broncos-logo Denver Broncos (9-7): Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
21. detroit-lions-logo Detroit Lions (9-7): David Njoku TE Miami
22. miami-dolphins-logo Miami Dolphins (10-6): Forrest Lamp OG Western Kentucky
23. new-york-giants-logo New York Giants (11-5): Davis Webb QB California
24. oakland-raiders-logoOakland Raiders (12-4): Gareon Conley CB Ohio State
25.houston-texans-logoHouston Texans (9-7): DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame
26. seattle-seahawks-logo Seattle Seahawks (10-5-1): Cam Robinson OT Alabama
27. kansas-city-chiefs-logo Kansas City Chiefs (12-4): Charles Harris EDGE Missouri
28. dallas-cowboys-logo Dallas Cowboys (13-3): Jabrill Peppers S Michigan
29. green-bay-packers-logo Green Bay Packers (10-6): Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin
30. pittsburgh-steelers-logo Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5): Takkarist McKinley EDGE UCLA
31. atlanta-falcons-logo Atlanta Falcons (11-5): Corey Davis WR Western Michigan
32.new-orleans-saints-logoNew Orleans Saints (7-9): Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
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It looks like J'ville trades us their 5th rounder.
I wonder if one of our fourths and a fifth would be enought to get back into the third.
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That draft looks about as good as it gets for the Bears. The talent 25-32 looks very good. I wonder what it would take to trade back up in that area for say Peppers or Robinson? I really like Adams. Bonifide lockerroom leader. Most sure thing in the top 10. We couldn't do better. BUT we need a true centerfielder too. Peppers would give us that. Cam Robinson would give us that needed swing tackle and eventual replacement for either starter were they injured.
OH and where did that draft come from? I'm dancing already.
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Dallas wont take Peppers if Takk is on the board.
i would be shocked if the top two tackles fell that far... just shocked. its not a very deep draft for OT, i bet you teams that need OL will reach for guys like Cam Robinson, Ramczyk. Really shocked to see he thinks Lamp will go before those two... but i do think he's another one that someone is going to reach to get.
I am holding out hope for a trade into 12-16 range for one of the two OT.
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My top 3 guys are still Adams, Thomas, and Trubisky, but not neccesarily in that order. I will have to look up which site I got that from tom.
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Of the 3, I want Adams. That is going to make an impact right from the beginning.
Only 2 more days. We should start hearing some trade rumors.
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Why does this pick have to make an impact from the beginning.. if we take a SS at 3, someone needs to get fired.
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Here is that site: http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/2017-nfl-mock-draft-justin/
And I really think Solomon Thomas is going to be a stud and could make an impact right away. Same for Adams. Trubisky could be our turn to get an Aaron Rodgers....
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I think Soloman Thomas will be an impact player in a 4/3. In a 3/4 he will likely be an OLB. I think we have enough of those. And we just drafted one last year.
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You can never have enough of those guys.
I project him at OLB but with his size he could slide inside in a 4-3 on passing downs.
Also there are rumors that Houston will be salary cap cut and even though I'm a big fan of Willie Young - he will be 32 this year.
That leaves Floyd and McPhee for the future. And the draft is not just about filling a hole on 2017.
I'd take Thomas but I'm not sure if he's going to be there. Hoooker may be the guy / although I'm still hoping for Trubisky.
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What's everybody stocking up for to drink and eat for the draft ?
I'm going Coors-San Miguel-Guinness Stout.
Munchies for hand food ... beef taco's , chips , Cheetos's , guacamole , grapes .
+ Whatever anybody brings as Raiduhs-Browns-Dolphins-Packers-Bills-Rams
fans congregate.
I'll have to fumigate afterwards. >:(
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I'm going to go with Miami Madness, KBS, and Hunapu 2016 for beer between Thursday and Friday.
Food wise... its probably going to be pizza.
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hmmm haven't had a San Miguel in awhile.
not familiar with Miami Madness, KBS, and Hunapu 2016.
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so now Gareon Conley accused of sexual assault and Peppers also diluted his drug test.
With all the injury concerns glad we're not drafting late.
Apparently 3 teams talking to Browns about a trade.
You know it could be just crazy possible QB's go one and two.
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It's all about the QB!
2016 QBs went 1 2
2015 QBs went 1 2
2017?
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Hopefully the Bears won't be drafting at three any time soon again. QB's always go way higher then they should. Let's hope the Bears get the best player in the draft at three. If that doesn't happen then let's hope they get a nice bundle of draft picks to move down and spend them wisely.
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My God all the beer snobs. Its beer! Lessee.....um...Blatz, PBR, Miller highlife, Hudepohl (if I can find it) , Falls city (ditto) and of course either Weidimans or Carlings Black label. Warm. oh,oh,
I forgot Falstaff and Schlitz. Beer! Are you going to tell me you can tell the difference after, ah 8 ?
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46, what no Drewrys?
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Ah ya got me. Some beer even I, fermented sewer water boy, can't take. that's one of 'em. And Strohs. And rolling rock. Those I can personally attest, taste horrible after the 8 beer line.
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I like to drink a few Leinenkuegals then switch to Miller high life light. Like 46 says after two or three it makes no difference what beer you are drinking your taste buds are already burnt out.
As you guys say there are a very few truly horrible tasting beers. There was only one where I gave several cases away though. It was some Canadian beer that tasted like grass with a hint of sweetness and aluminum. It was horrible.
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God I haven'had I liney in years. last time was at a sports bar down here, served the bottles in iced buckets, when dead you put them back in the bucket upside down. all ass end up, you got another bucket. Bears played the Raiders. Bear won. 46 got completely hammered. man that was fun.
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Leinies Summer Shandy is the bomb. Nothing like an ice cold one after mowing the grass. It just hits the spot. The lemon aftertaste is perfect for cutting through the thirst of a hot day.
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One beer I truly enjoyed drinking was Michelob Light. When I was overseas it was Amstel and Heinekin
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If QBs go 1 and 2, Garrett falls to us. no way that is happening. And I hope we dont take Watson at 3....just saying:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705591-chicago-bears-final-7-round-mock-draft
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Some smoke around Watson at 3...
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This is interesting. Garrett goes #1, no surprise there, 9ers take Adams at #2 and the Bears take Solomon Thomas. Then the Bears give up picks #2 and #3 to the Cowgirls and take Deshaun Watson.
http://nflmocks.com/2017/04/26/nfl-draft/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
That would leave the Bears with their 2 4ths to improve their back end, get a TE, get a WR and get a swing tackle. Man that sucks
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Sad to hear the beer commentary. I've lost my faith in 46. Real men drink Guinness. Bottoms up!
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Thick-necked guys named Gunther drink Guinness.
Try the Kirkland beer at Costco - identical to Boxer beer brewed in Wisconsin
https://www.beermenus.com/beers/23176-minhas-boxer-lager
2 of my favorite beer qualities: CHEAP and EFFECTIVE
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Ding! on Bearhit. I was told the story of Guinness by a drunk man from Ireland. I know, I know, a drunk from Ireland. Go figure. Anyway, Guinness worked for Bass ale and burnt the hops and got fired. Liked the taste of the Beer and
started making it that way. Now Guinness owns Bass. Everything the man said was true, what was an I opener to me was he told it as if it happened a couple of weeks ago. It was 400 years ago. Mind all of you on the board, the
46 will drink anything your buying for me (which is how and found out about a black and tan as I slowly sank into a slurry drunken stupor), but if I'm buying, I've no preference with those few exceptions other than price.
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Bass Ale is very tasty
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Sounds like this thread has turned into a beer party or are we implying that our draft is going to be so bad that everybody will get drunk?
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This is interesting. Garrett goes #1, no surprise there, 9ers take Adams at #2 and the Bears take Solomon Thomas. Then the Bears give up picks #2 and #3 to the Cowgirls and take Deshaun Watson.
http://nflmocks.com/2017/04/26/nfl-draft/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
That would leave the Bears with their 2 4ths to improve their back end, get a TE, get a WR and get a swing tackle. Man that sucks
I would be happy with Thomas at 3, but giving up 2 and 3 for Watson, I would prefer to do that to get Trubisky, who went 3 picks earlier. Just saying.
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How Guinness works is you pour a few dollops into San Miguel in a glass ... mmmm!
So if I'm Gareon Conley going to the Draft on April 27th to be made a millionaire ...
I would naturally RAAPE a women on April 9th to fuuck up my chances.
Now does this make any sense to you at all ? Blackmail ?
To see his draft stock fall ? Who would benefit from that ?
Let's see where he's drafted at. That's the guilty party.
Nobody said Football was fair.
Gentlemen,
One more day and I can have a beer at 5:00 PST !
I'm working a half day on Friday ... rounds 2 & 3 should be pretty heavy duty.
A tip o' the glass to my fellow BEARS fans !
LET'S GET IT DONE !! BEARRSSE !!!
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Jackie - he's young. He could have thought with the wrong head. Easy enough to do.
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He claims he has witnesses and video evidence to prove his innocence.
Geez we may be facing several available players who are mid first round guys with our second and third round picks.
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He claims he has witnesses and video evidence to prove his innocence.
Geez we may be facing several available players who are mid first round guys with our second and third round picks.
A sick way of looking at it to get ahead ... but fuuuck ...
BEARS need every advantage !
When yer 3-13 ... you are that whoore**** street walking !
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That's not a bad thing is it? I mean, the Bears catch a break ? Nah. Draft the punter.
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Not many Bears rumors floating about taking Trubisky.
Maybe they don't want to spook teams into trading up to SF at 2. So then when he's there at 3 they can say we're taking him and either take him or force someone to trade down.
Does Adams or Allen or Lattimore (the last 2 with injury concerns) really deserve to go at 3 in the draft?
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That's not a bad thing is it? I mean, the Bears catch a break ? Nah. Draft the punter.
46,
If we draft 3 long snappers in the first 3 rounds ... we are set for the next 30 years.
Use one every 10 years. :D
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It's pathetic that the city of Philadelphia still has "Rocky" as its identity.
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Not many Bears rumors floating about taking Trubisky.
Maybe they don't want to spook teams into trading up to SF at 2. So then when he's there at 3 they can say we're taking him and either take him or force someone to trade down.
Does Adams or Allen or Lattimore (the last 2 with injury concerns) really deserve to go at 3 in the draft?
Dal,
Intangibles.
Adams is a LEADER ... something this TEAM has NOT had since we signed JCut.
To say this team has not had a leader in the last years is an understatement.
Everybody knew it except Halas Hall. Maybe they get their head out of their ass.
WALTER PAYTON-MIKE SINGLETARY were LEADERS.
So far we have Jordan Howard on Offense ... give me one ...
just give me fuuucking ONE on DEFENSE in this draft ...
as a LEADER ... with the #3 pick ... we'll put this TEAM on the map again.
Sucking hind teat in the NFC NORF is a place to visit ...
but never a place to live. >:(
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Gentlemen,
Looking forward to your posts tomorrow!
Have a beer and fritos and guacamole on me !
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I like to drink a few Leinenkuegals then switch to Miller high life light. Like 46 says after two or three it makes no difference what beer you are drinking your taste buds are already burnt out.
As you guys say there are a very few truly horrible tasting beers. There was only one where I gave several cases away though. It was some Canadian beer that tasted like grass with a hint of sweetness and aluminum. It was horrible.
You haven't had terrible tasting beer until you have been to Korea and had an OB beer.
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Deserve? Well according to some the answer is NO. Why? because it doesn't or hasnt happened often. But the game has evolved and with the pass-centric offences out there the safety position is changing. And since there aren't super stud QBs or LTs in this draft just about the best player happens to be safetys and CBs. Maybe its time to draft outside the box too. I don't have a problem others might have. Besides our safetys suck canal water. In that goofy draft I posted Adams went #2, not that I believe that happens tomorrow night. 49ers love Thomas. If they don't trade I think he is their pick. I thought sure they would draft a QB at #2, especially Kizer.Kizer has fallen off the mountain so to speak. But this is a game of leverage and smokescreens. Who knows whats going to happen tomorrow night.
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Draft outside the box?
Then don't take Adams - he's an inside the box kind of guy.
Some mocks have him now going to 49ers then the Bears taking Lattimore.
But I do agree about our current talent level at safety.
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I disagree with those who feel that we have to take a QB at #3. I believe Adams is the safest pick at #3. The only question about Adams is will he be there at #3.
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Then don't take Adams - he's an inside the box kind of guy.
Yes that's true Adams did play SS at LSU, but some say that's only because that's where he was asked to play and that he could play FS too. Of course we don't know that
And YES I would agree we need to draft both a SS and a FS because we absolutely suck at the back end. Both would dramatically improve our defense.
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Adams seems to have the leadership qualities that seem to be lacking in our secondary, for since Mike Brown retired. I still think Solomon Thomas is going to be an Aaron Donald type stud. And Trubisky is my QB of choice. Of course we will probably wind up with none of those guys. Just like when we drafted Kyle Long, I was like who????
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8 possible picks:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/the-case-for-8-players-the-bears-could-draft-third-thursday/amp/
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Interesting:
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-draft-trade-talk-teams-160528480.html
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For what it is worth, all of the mock drafts I have seen today have us taking Adams or Thomas, who ever the 49rs dont take.
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ESPN draft experts are predicting Cleveland going Trubisky which would leave Garrett for the 49ers.
That would mean Bears could choose between Thomas AND Adams.
Both are solid guys and would help the Bears though I'd give the nod to Thomas.
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hmmm haven't had a San Miguel in awhile.
not familiar with Miami Madness, KBS, and Hunapu 2016.
Miami Madness - https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/36710/155870/?ba=Lare453
One of my favorite beers.
Hunapu 2016 - a Cigar city annual release. https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17981/47022/
KBS - Founds annual release - https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1199/19960/
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"We'll see. said the blind man"
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My God all the beer snobs. Its beer! Lessee.....um...Blatz, PBR, Miller highlife, Hudepohl (if I can find it) , Falls city (ditto) and of course either Weidimans or Carlings Black label. Warm. oh,oh,
I forgot Falstaff and Schlitz. Beer! Are you going to tell me you can tell the difference after, ah 8 ?
I'd rather drink 3 really good strong beers, then 8 less awesome beers.
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I think the Browns take Garrett at 1 and then trade up from 12 to grab Trubisky. We shall see.
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Jesus God, are we going to talk beer all night instead of football?
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God created Football so we'd have something to watch while we drink beer. they are tied together
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"We'll see. said the blind man"
My mother died a couple of years ago at age 106. In all the years I knew her, she only told one joke.
"We'll see, said the blind man. And he took up his hammer and saw."
On a more appropriate subject, the Bears should take the best pass rusher available.
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i dont get it
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The Cleveland Browns are on the clock!
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Who's watching ESPN, and who's watching NFLN?
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And who's watching Big Bang Theory?
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NFLN here.
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Myles Garrett no surprise there.
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Bears just traded up to two.
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Bears move up to #2!
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Should have just stayed at #3. They gave up three picks. STUPID!
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3-3 (67), 4-4 (111), and a 3 next year to move up one spot...****...
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Hopefully they are trading it away. If not I am not happy.
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That's just a reeeeal ignorant move, seriously ignorant. If anything, move down. Pace is on the clock now....stupid move...
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Trubisky? Are you **** kidding me?
Man I hope that was done because another team wants him.
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He would have been there at three.
If this guy does not come in and play well this year Pace is gone.
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I am speechless.
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Stupid stupid stupid.....he would have been there at THREE and we gave up how much for this?? man...this team is such a joke...unreal...
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**** asinine move.
If they had pulled the trigger at three I wouldn't have liked it but would have come around. To give up that many picks to move up one **** spot for him is idiotic!!!
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So the friggin Bears draft a clipboard carrier. Sad indeed
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They didn't just draft a clip board holder they gave up three prime picks for him.
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I...I... was kidding about the punter. but that might have been better than this s hit. I think the Bears finally after years of trying have got to the clown hall of fame. They damn near did a Ricky Williams trade for THAT? News Flash! He ain't f ucking Tom Brady!!! Jesus! Total disaster right off the bat! This Pace guy does what for a living? It sure as s hit isn't being a gm for the Bears!
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
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SF would have taken Thomas had they kept the second. I'll stick around until CLE picks #12 just hoping the Bears are making another deal.
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i'm off to drown myself in the pool, or a tub full of beer. not sure which.
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I agree that SF would probably not have taken Trubisky, but I am happy we took him. He was one of my 3 guys. If he doesnt start this year, no biggie, look at Rodgers. Just saying. We now have a qb that can be the future, fingers crossed. If we would have waited and SF took Trubisky, we could have had Thomas or Adams, and that wouldnt have bothered me either.
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I'm pretty stunned...this is stupid even for the Bears, who aren't know to be real bright to begin with. But hey, they aren't sitting where they are presently by being the brightest bulbs in the locker room..... just another reason to forget the NFL....
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boogie, That is the thing. Staying at three and taking him would have been a roll of the dice but one I would understand. I see no way it was worth giving up three picks for him.
49ers were not going to take him. They threatened to trade the pick to someone else and Pace fell for it. Pace got schooled.
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Well if he's the franchise it's easily worth it.
Going to have to pull the trigger sometime, shocked as I am.
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When we made the trade I was pissed. Mostly because I did not see them going QB with 2nd pick. However since the took Trubisky I think it was a good move. He would not have made it to 3 IMO. If he is your guy go and get him.
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If he is the franchise I agree. If he isn't they are going to have enough high picks in successive years to try and draft several more...
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I just hope we are all as wrong as when we drafted Kyle Long. I think this kid is going to be the real deal at QB.
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pace needs to go back wherever he came from. Hes not all that. This team goes from bad to worse. I was bitching about the jer. Had no idea how good the bears had it. do now.
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Pace has big balls I give him that. Trubisky has to be a franchise QB or he and Fox are getting fired.
If he doesn't play this year how do you know if he is the guy? If he does play he better be pretty damn good to show enough promise for Pace to keep his job.
Long odds. All I got to say for Pace is he better be a top 10 QB before his rookie contract runs out or Pace is never getting another GM job again.
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Boogie maybe your right. What the hell. it just shocked my socks off and I've been drinking to numb the results of the pick. turns out it wasn't enough. A well. Being a fan of a suck team is not
for whimps.
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Ouch. I dont think Turbinsky is a bad pick, but the price paid is crazy. take turb at 3, or trade down if he's gone. but giving up 3 additional picks to move up that one spot is crazy.
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Crazy....insane....stupid on steroids....Bears....
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All I know is based on the film I watched of Adams/Thomas/Trubisky, I would have been happy with any of them. Yeah we gave up a bunch, but I am hoping it is worth it in hind sight. We wont know tonight, but in a couple of years we may say yeah, that was worth it. Just saying. I am done defending this pick.
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Word is the Browns are in love with Trubisky. The Bears were probably bidding against them for the 2nd pick.
The Browns are now talking about going after Kirk Cousins. Give them Glennon for our picks back or trade them Trubisky for their 12th pick and a butt load more.
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boogie, If he is the man you get to say "I told you so" for years! ;D
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I'm not hearing 'great pick' on many message boards, that's for sure :D :D . It's quite the opposite....
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after calming down, this had to have been in the works for some time. It went bang,bang done. Somebody in the Bears wanted the guy. Pace and Fox either hitched themselves to a star or a boat anchor. Has anybody watched the guy play? I haven't. Hell is he even healthy?
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He is healthy.
http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Highlights-Mitchell-Trubisky/63901a06-9c58-497b-b009-9ee12cf14539
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That's a pretty pathetic highlight reel. I see nothing at all there worthy of all they gave up. He's 'healthy', is about the sum of it....
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No sense in even trying to judge the pick, or the price paid, tonight...only time will tell...hope it's a grand slam for Pace...
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The issue with him is he only started one year.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/player/457/1056300/passing/gamelog.html
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At least we didn't trade two 1's and a 3 for Mahomes...
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Had to laugh when someone said he'll sit behind Glennon and learn for a year. Who's Glennon gonna sit behind and learn from?? He doesn't exactly have a huge library of experience himself lol.
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If I'm fuucked up on booze & drugs ... I can't outpace Pace.
Gotta give him credit for handing this draft away.
Trubisky better be the second coming of Terry Bradshaw/Joe Montana/Tom Brady.
If he is Ryan Leaf/Tim Couch ... Pace is one gone goose.
Setting up the next GM ... to start alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll over again. >:(
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And let's not forget the venerable Sanchez LOL! oh man....
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Well we've all been crying for 30 years about the QB situation.
Along comes a GM with the balls to do something about it and the crying continues.
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Dave I am still holding out hope that Cleveland is going to give up the farm to get him at 12.
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davebear the crying only continues because the guy hasn't proven anything and we used so many picks to get him. Getting him at three I would not of liked but I would have been ok with it.
I am not ok with giving up two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick for a guy who had one ok year in college.
No expert felt there was any QB in the draft worth going that high let alone for that many picks.
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That almost never happens.
We have a chance to move forward with a real QB. We all know it's no sure thing, but had to pull the trigger sometime.
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Everywhere else in this draft we could have cleaned up on top flight DB's is now gone.
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Well, watching the NFL channel they pretty much spelled out the Bears would have asked about the second pock. SF told them they will take Trubisky and what the offers were they would have to beat. The NFL people on the broadcast said teams don't lie to other GM's or all teams find out and won't deal with the deceiver again.
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Everywhere else in this draft we could have cleaned up on top flight DB's is now gone.
I'm hoping for Budda Baker and there will be a couple other good safeties, maybe corner at our second.
I'm disapointed we only get one player with a real chance to help the defense.
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At three there were to many good players on the board. You stay at three and take your chances. Giving up the picks on a talent starved team is what has so many upset.
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The Browns just traded the 12 to Houston. Cleveland has a ton of picks. Unless they **** it up big time they will be a good team in a few years.
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I'm hoping for Budda Baker and there will be a couple other good safeties, maybe corner at our second.
I'm disapointed we only get one player with a real chance to help the defense.
I wonder why that is ... because we just gave away the farm ?
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I was wrong the Bears gave up their second and third this year as well as their 3rd next year.
Damn that is a lot!
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JJ...sadly, the farm...she's gone. We better hope Trubisquit is the second coming of Manning for all we gave up for him or someone PACE is gonna PACE feel the wrath PACE of all the combined PACE Bears fans PACE at one time and perish in flames.
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The deal with the 49ers cost the Bears picks in the second (No. 67) and third (No. 111) rounds this year in addition to a third-round selection in the 2018 draft. San Francisco chose Stanford defensive end Solomon Thomas at No. 3.
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Brutal. just brutal.
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We basically for all intents and purposes gave up the farm like Ditka did for Ricky Williams.....stupid. Stupid stupid stupid on steroids....I'm sorry, it's stupid....call it what it is...
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The Bears site shows us with the a second round pick at #36. Then our next pick in the 4th at 117.
So either the reporting is wrong or the Bears site is wrong.
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If we got a high 2nd round pick from the deal I feel a bit better.
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Man at this point in time in the draft I would TOTALLY SHIITCAN the idea of DEFENSE,
and flat out go OFFENSIVE LINE.
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Is JOHN LYNCH the GM of Frisco ,
a total genius at fuucking over DAA BEARRSSE or WHAT ?
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I was right the first time the Bears gave up a third and 4th and a third next year.
They still have their 2nd.
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That is less bad. but still a lot to give up in this draft.
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Has Pace talked at all? It seems like if you took a franchise QB with the second pick, you'd want to tell the world why he is so great.
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I was right the first time the Bears gave up a third and 4th and a third next year.
They still have their 2nd.
Jesus Christ ... Jesus wept ...
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He has not. Trubisky said the Bears did not even call him before the pick. There may be a deal with Cleveland yet after the first round.
It might have been a multiple team trade that couldn't get done while on the clock. We will see.
Cleveland has a lot of picks especially after the Houston trade.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/adamjahns/status/857784896688881665
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Right now this draft looks pretty bleak for only getting a clipboard carrier at #2
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My stock in BFFL just went up with T.B. taking O.J. Howard.
Thanks Tampa ! The only bright spot today. 8)
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http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Trubisky-excited-to-join-the-Bears/608db7a8-2f11-48d7-89a9-ce10e42209f0
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Leave it to DA RAIDUHS to pick Gareon Conley !
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Robinson, Ramczyk, and Lamp all still available...
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Reuben Foster still available...
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Well, not Ramczyk and Foster...but Malik McDowell is available
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With our zany pick at #2 for Trubisky ,
we have to go OFFENSIVE LINE for the rest of the draft we have left.
Already the top one's are being grabbed.
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Bears got the 4th pick tomorrow - I would not be surprised if Pace doesn't trade down. He did that twice last year in round 2 before taking Cody Whitehair.
Here's some corners:
Jones, Sidney CB 6'0" 186 Washington 5.8
Awuzie, Chidobe CB 6'0" 202 Colorado 5.8
Douglas, Rasul CB 6'2" 209 West Virginia 5.8
King, Kevin CB 6'3" 200 Washington 5.8
Here's some safeties:
Baker, Budda S 5'10"195 Washington 5.9
Jones, Josh S 6'1" 220 N.C. State 5.8
Maye, Marcus S 6'0" 210 Florida 5.8
Williams, Marcus S 6'1" 202 Utah 5.8
Evans, Justin S 6'0" 199 Texas A&M 5.8
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For sure surprised that the Bears traded up one spot, when we need so much. Who knows, the draft is such a crap shoot that you just never know. I'll have to admit, I'm a bit disappointed..
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I see SI gives everyone in the top ten high grades except for the Bears "D".
Well, one thing's for sure, you just never know.
One thing's for certain, Pace just hung his whole career on one pick. If "Biscuit" isn't the real deal, Pace will be finished..
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49ers were not going to take him. They threatened to trade the pick to someone else and Pace fell for it. Pace got schooled.
Teams do not do that to other GMS. If they did the word would get out and they would never be able to work a deal with anyone again. No matter what sport. There had to be at least one team trying to trade up with SF to get him. SF mosty likely didn't want to drop that far down and miss out on their guy. They knew the Bears wanted him so they took less in draft picks to only move down one slot. The other deal had to be sweet enough for SF to miss out on their guy for them to pull the trigger. The Bears might have had to toss in next years three for SF to say OK.
GMs are a small circle of professionals. There has to be a level of trust among them in order to do business.
NFLN needs to have war room play by play that can be recorded and broadcast after the draft is over so fans can see what actually takes place with all these negotiations and teams. I just can't see any teams agreeing to something like that.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2223990/
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So we traded up 1 spot and grabbed the best qb, in my opinion, in the draft. For the dearth of talent at the qb position over the years, I think this was a bold and good move. And if he sits for a year, even better. We are not tied to Glennon after this coming year. I wish we had our 3rd round pick, and a trade down in the second to get one back would be ok by me.
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Agree with boogie
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est available second and third round prospects according to Mike Mayock
Best available prospects according to Mike Mayock:
First round caliber players available:
16. Cam Robinson, T, Alabama
18. Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky
27. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
29. Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
31. Budda Baker, S, Washington
Second round caliber players available:
34. Kevin King, CB, Washington
37. Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State
39. Tim Williams, LB, Alabama
40. Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
41. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
42. Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut
43. Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State
44. DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State
45. Marcus Williams, S, Utah
46. Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
47. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
48. Marcus Maye, S, Florida
50. Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
51. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
52. Ryan Anderson, LB, Alabama
53. Chris Wormley, DE, Michigan
54. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
55. Dion Dawkins, G, Temple
56. Dan Feeney, G, Indiana
57. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USC
58. DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
59. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
60. Alex Anzalone, LB, Florida
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My hope was to get one of the OT... so i really hope we move up this round and grab cam!
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We dont have much left to move up in the 2nd round with.
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He might drop to 3...
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I don't think we have to move up to get him...at least I'm hoping not!
Also think Chris Wormley would fit in well on our DLine...
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I wouldnt mind seeing Budda Baker, a real FS. Although he is kind of light at 195....
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Baker has been compared to Bob Sanders of the Colts - small but aggressive.
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ESPN radio in Dallas was stating that Pace had been targeting Trubisky for a couple months.
In fact he only told Fox about his interest only 90 minutes before the pick!
Pace didn't want anyone leaking his interest to the media.
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The Uconn safety is a physical phenom. Redskins recently fired GM was looking at him with their 17th pick
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Bears could stand pat and snag Newton or Malik McDowell at 36.
Or trade down and find a very good DB all with 5.8 5.9 grades. There's like 8 of them.
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I think you mean Cam Robinson. I don't think Newton is coming to Chicago... :)
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Oops.
I'm thinking Pace trades down to somebody who wants a QB or Cam ROBINSON.
But this McDowel looks like a beast. Can we get by next year with all our FA signings in the defensive backfield and build the trenches?
More temptations but still I expect a trade down.
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You need to read up on McDowell. Lazy is the word most associated with him. No thanks. I would pass.
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Pack should take that guard.
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I read up on McDowell - I just focused on the glass half full assessment that mentioned explosive ascending prospect with all -pro potential.
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Just reaccumulated picks. I like it.
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Bears give 2-4 (36) and 7-3 (221) to Arizona for 2-13 (45), 4-12 (119), and 6-?? (197).
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Cards trade up for Budda Baker, Bills trade up for Zay Jones
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Bears got a 4th next year too.
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Yep, forgot about that one...great deal!
Jets draft Marcus Maye to go with Jamal Adams, and I can't help feeling a little jealous.
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3 safeties left:
Josh jones
Marcus Williams
Justin Evans
All 5.8 grades all free safety ball Hawks
We get one
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Panthers take Curtis Samuel to pair with McCaffrey
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Maybe corner....
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Our DEFENSE is so effective we don't need any !
Thank GOD we have a QB we don't need & a TE we don't need !
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And Indy gets the guy we should have taken...
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Can't say that I'm thrilled with it - Pace has already has a slew of TEs on the roster - guess he's truly goiing BPA.
We're done for the day.
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Um a TE I never heard of. I guess we need a TE, and at 278 lbs that is good, but not sure that was worth a second round pick.
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LOL! Pace is so done....crazy....
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The next time the 49ers play us they should lose because they OWE us !
We may be stupid for drafting Trubisky , but K.C. & Houston are even more stupid.
There is after all a 2018 draft.
Wow ... none of my friends wanted to be here today for round two/three ...
the description was I was too angry and despondent from yesterday.
Of course they are here now ...
slurping beer on my dime while they hardly brought any. >:(
HEY WAIT A MINUTE !!
This drafting or hiring QB's has been going on before any GM or H.C.
has ever been on the TEAM over DECADES !
It's like those boys ain't in charge over decades.
The McCasky's are in charge of QB selection ...
how else do you explain 30 + years of stupid ?
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JJ, it's the water at Halas. HAS to be. I think the Pakers spiked it with stupid juice years ago.
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The Bears traded up and took a quarterback in the first round and followed that up by trading down to take a tight end in the second round.
Their choice comes with an unusual pedigree for a second-round pick. Adam Shaheen played at Division II Ashland after starting his college career as a basketball player and dominated over the last two seasons. He’s big at 6’6″ and 278 pounds, but ran well at the combine and drew a lot of interest during the pre-draft process.
He’ll now be making a big leap in competition and there will surely be some growing pains as he finds himself lined up against NFL players. Should he grow as a result, the Bears could have a very useful weapon to go with first-round pick Mitchell Trubisky and 2016 rookie running back Jordan Howard in their offense of the future.
There’s a flip side to that happy ending, of course, but Bears General Manager Ryan Pace is betting that his offensive picks will be part of the foundation of better results in Chicago.
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You want a project for your 2nd round pick. ::)
I've got this nasty feeling in my gut they're gonna pass on the myriad secondary help that could really help this team.....
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Sporty,
Stay calm as we pick OFFENSE.
Our DEFENSE was so good last year it doesn't need any upgrade.
We only have to play weak armed QB's like Rodgers-Stafford-Bradford.
None of them of any notice.
Didn't I hear the other side of this argument,
when Lovie/Angelo was going defense heavy every draft ?
I wonder if we could find two GM's and two HC's to meet in the middle ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDJLRgh2vp4
Ceiling on this guy is way up there.
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Teams do not do that to other GMS. If they did the word would get out and they would never be able to work a deal with anyone again. No matter what sport. There had to be at least one team trying to trade up with SF to get him. SF mosty likely didn't want to drop that far down and miss out on their guy. They knew the Bears wanted him so they took less in draft picks to only move down one slot. The other deal had to be sweet enough for SF to miss out on their guy for them to pull the trigger. The Bears might have had to toss in next years three for SF to say OK.
GMs are a small circle of professionals. There has to be a level of trust among them in order to do business.
NFLN needs to have war room play by play that can be recorded and broadcast after the draft is over so fans can see what actually takes place with all these negotiations and teams. I just can't see any teams agreeing to something like that.
BINGO! Saved me the time from typing that. The Bears offer was the best because the 49ers did not want to miss out on drafting Thomas.
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I know it is against lesser competition, but that is a nice highlight reel on Shaheen. What stood out to me besides his size, was his speed. Former basketball player, good body control, and not afraid of the contact after the catch. A couple of spots in that video, you could see the DBs just pulling up rather than trying to tackle that! Hope he translates into the big boy league.
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Yeah after watching the highlights we might really have something at TE. And at least the QB wont have trouble finding him since he is so tall. ;)
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Go Iowa in the 4th. Desmond King or Jaleel Johnson. King is a ballhawk who can return punts/kicks. Johnson is a run-stuffer on the way to the QB.
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Just ran a mock for today that I like quite a bit...
117: R4P10
EDGE CARL LAWSON
AUBURN
119: R4P12
S DESMOND KING
IOWA
147: R5P3
WR DEDE WESTBROOK
OKLAHOMA
197: R6P13
DL DAVON GODCHAUX
LSU
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I read somewhere that Carl Lawson has knee problems. FWIW
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Bears trade up to take Alabama FS Eddie Jackson. Love this pick, great value here!
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Gave up our 6th rounder to move up for him...still have another 4 coming up and a 5...
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Sound like he is an excellent punt returner as well as a free safety.
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I hope they dont forget a FG kicker with that 7th. We still need a CB too
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We don't have a 7.
Bears take 5'6" RB Tarik Cohen out of NC A&T with their other 4. Analysts love the pick, calling him Sproles 2.0.
If he's another Sproles, I'll like it as well...
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Logic isn't going to be happy. Tarik Cohen is 5'6" 179 pounds.
We all know RB's have to be at least 220...
Looks like a day one special teams player and a guy who brings a nice change of pace to Howard.
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If you want them to take a FG kicker they will need to do it in the 5th round as it is their last pick unless they trade down.
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Round 5 pick 3. That is all they have left.
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Jackson is a nice player. I don't get the Cohen pick though. Would love to have Desmond King.
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If anyone thinks Pace is drafting for this years team you are delusional. These are picks to be better in a year or two. If you actually had hope the Bears would make any noise next year you are really delusional.
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Ah this beats jumping out of a swimming pool...
https://www.instagram.com/p/3JrCt6S1mL/
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If anyone thinks Pace is drafting for this years team you are delusional. These are picks to be better in a year or two. If you actually had hope the Bears would make any noise next year you are really delusional.
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Assuming Pace gets the chance to replace Fox, you'd think the next coach would offensive minded with offensive minded contacts. Biggest name would probably McDaniels.
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What happened to the 3rd pick in the 7th that I saw the Bears having?
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Yeah but can he jump like that with the pads on? Lol
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We traded the 7th round pick yesterday...
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Never saw a team so dedicated to do the opposite of the obvious as our first round pic.
Pace has put his balls on an anvil and handed a hammer to BEARS fans and asked them to believe in his picks or else he pays a painful price. :o
Day two pick was a head scratcher.
Day 3 is looking up ... tiny RB's can disappear among big guys on a field.
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It almost seems like Pace is trying to screw Fox. Hopefully these kids pan out, unlike Emery and Angelo picks. And we are not going to make a run to win the superbowl this year, so getting building blocks for down the road is a good idea. But still....
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I love the Eddie Jackson pick - he probably dropped due to his injury and that he's not a strong tackler. We need a FS that can run and make picks. Plus he's a punt returner.
The TE and midget HB (reminds me of a Dennis Gentry) are head scratchers. Pace walks the talk of BPA.
Could have used a DE and a corner - I was hoping Pace would have drafted Trubiskys WR at NC Mack Hollins.
This team is now loaded with TEs and safeties (with Hall switching to FS Pace effectively drafted 3 in 2016).
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Bears take Kutztown OL Jordan Morgan in the 5th. That's their last pick unless they trade back into this draft.
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I wonder if Caleb Brantley will get drafted at all...
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There are still really good players available.
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With a DB class as loaded as anyone has ever seen in history,
we instead went into an offensive foray,
while needing exactly what this class was loaded at.
( 8 INT's last year ... tied for worst.)
That's what's weird about this draft.
That and this :
If you were going to draft Trubisky all along ...then why the bucks to Glennon ?
With that money you could have kept Hoyer & Barkley for a lot less.
John Lynch the Frisco GM has got to be laffing his ass off .
He got our QB's and pushed us into the Trubisky deal
and cleaned our clock in the draft .
He used our pick to move up and take Foster in the first.
49ers are the team DAA BEARRSSE built.
Strange.
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We got a very promising QB that fans have been pissing about for 30years.
There is little to criticize about Trubisky except number of games played.
If all we get out of this draft is a good quarterback I'm happy
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Which team(s) do you feel is doing the best so far ?
I'm picking the Ohio teams.
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Very strange draft indeed. Certainly not a draft to succeed this year and maybe not the following year either. The receiving core is very weak. Seems Pace is depending on White and I just doubt he even survives the preseason games. We look sure to be in the top 10 drafting next year.
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There is little to criticize about Trubisky except number of games played.
Yeah and they paid Glennon a ton of money to start, then turn around drafting his replacement to hold the clipboard. No way Fox has 3 QBs active on gamedays.
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Pace is going to have to find a lot of FAs to sign after the draft.
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Wishful
So maybe you would not have drafted Rogers because he had to hold the clipboard for Favre?
What do you care what Glennon gets paid?
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Wshfl,
Maybe I should say it this way. I was a young man the last time the Bears won a super bowl. Now 31 years later I'm practically old and no repeat super bowls.
The Bears have lost most of their games in that span for one reason. the opposition quarterback was always better. We lost the 2006 super bowl because the other QB was better.
Im sick and tired of it. We have to REALLY try to get one sometime.
Sure, maybe next year we have a chance to get a better one, or maybe Browns and 9ers get there first.
Agan, I would not have done it, but now Im happy our GM has the balls to try.
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Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rogers because he fell to the 24th pick. Thompson didn't go after him, realized a gift when he had one.
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Wishful
So maybe you would not have drafted Rogers because he had to hold the clipboard for Favre?
What do you care what Glennon gets paid?
You care because the money could have been used elsewhere.
Like keeping Hoyer & Barkley for way less money and having Conner Shaw in the mix.
Any one of which Trubisky can hold a clipboard for.
If he is the replacement for any QB ... and he is ... they were already here.
None would have cost us a penny compared to Glennon.
I want the drugs Halas Hall is on ... it's got to be some damn good stuff!
The Bears have lost most of their games in that span for one reason. the opposition quarterback was always better. We lost the 2006 super bowl because the other QB was better.
We lost that SuperBowl because they used their rookie RB Joseph Adai to nickle & dime us in rushing and we couldn't stop it.
Go back and watch the game.
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Well Jackie obviously I disagree.
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Well Jackie obviously I disagree.
Good for you !
Now answer me this :
How many draft picks did we have coming into this draft ?
How many are we walking away with ?
There seems to be a slight disparity. >:(
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It doesn't matter. We need a QB and they aren't cheap except the Hoyers of the league.
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If you were going to draft Trubisky all along ...then why the bucks to Glennon ?
With that money you could have kept Hoyer & Barkley for a lot less.
John Lynch the Frisco GM has got to be laffing his ass off .
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Ok, Jackie I'm getting a little tired of your whining. First of all, Hoyer and Barkley were pure unadulterated crap starting QBs. Hoyer had a nice rating and but could't make the big plays to win and was in love with the checkdown. He's a nice backup. Barkley led the universe in interceptions. Let's see how those guys do for the 49ers along with their rookie QB CJ Beathard....I think we play them next year. Can't wait.
If you hadn't noticed there aren't 32 quality starting QBs in the league. Pace went for what he believed was the best available FA in Glennon. But we all knew that this guy was not THE guy.
But Pace couldn't just keep Hoyer/Barkley and assume Tribusky would be available. So he had a contingency plan with Glennon.
As for Tribusky, who the hell knows if he starts game 1 or year 2. But it sure is nice to have a #1 waiting in the wings instead of the long list of late round and free agent QBs we've had on the roster for the last I dunno 30 years!
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And as for the Super bowl loss to the Colts. Yeah, Addai had a big game. Why?
Because the Bears were missing both Tommie Harris and Mike Brown and played a soft cover 2 the whole game because they were afraid of Manning going to his HOF wide receivers. If those 2 guys are there its a ball game.
Plus Rex Grossman threw 2 or 3 picks and had another one slip out of his hand.
It's all about the QB. It's all about the QB.
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Geez Brad Kaya should have stayed in school
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But Pace couldn't just keep Hoyer/Barkley and assume Tribusky would be available. So he had a contingency plan with Glennon.
As for Tribusky, who the hell knows if he starts game 1 or year 2. But it sure is nice to have a #1 waiting in the wings instead of the long list of late round and free agent QBs we've had on the roster for the last I dunno 30 years!
Dal,
I cleaned out your post to get to the point :
First of all ..
Why would you WANT Trubisky or any other QB in this years draft in the first when what is coming next year ?
Once again , if Trubisky is the real deal then you don't need Glennon or his paycheck
because the QB's that were/are on the roster no matter how lousy they are/were,
are all Trubisky needed to learn under as a walking clipboard.
Hoyer/Barkley/Shaw were proven commodity's in the BEARS organization ...
I don't care if they suucked or not if Trubisky was the goal.
He could hold a clipboard for any of them and on THE CHEAP too!
What sticks out is Glennon and his paycheck if Trubisky was always the goal.
I'm asking where the money that could best be spent elsewhere and why on a QB
that is going to be replaced ?
When we already had three on the cheap that could be replaced ?
What I know and have seen ... is the photo's Glennon has of the McCasky's on
vacation on their yacht in Florida.
I didn't know German Shepard's could do that to a woman.
Utterly fuucking damaging to the McCasky's. How else can you explain Glennon ?
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Man I hope I am 100% wrong on Pace's picks.
Nothing would please me more. :D
I can't take another year of THE BEARS suffrage.
How about DEM RAIDUHS ?
You always have to have a backup plan in case people running a show are idiots. 8)
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Ok, Jackie I'm getting a little tired of your whining. First of all, Hoyer and Barkley were pure unadulterated crap starting QBs.
Hey Dallas, leave Jackie alone. Pick on me.
I'll give you that Hoyer and Barkley are crap. So that means you are saying Glennon is different/better? Get out of here. And you are OK paying him 14.5 million this year? If you are I got some Florida swampland to sell you for 14.5 Million. IMHO Glennon is a waste of money. We could have had Hoyer back if you needed a starter.
Furthermore, I find it hard to get on the Trubisky band wagon. I am not believing Trubisky is much better than either Hoyer or Rex Grossman. Lets just leave it that you are super in love with Trubisky and believe he is a superstar and I am not. I hope that I am wrong and Pace hasnt made a mistake for the Bears sake because I really like Pace.
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Not sure I really want to jump into this cespool, but we had no idea were were actually going to get Trubisky when we signed Glennon. I dont have a problem with that, and it was for basically a 1 year contract. Just saying.
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And the South PK that I was interested in the Bears drafting was Elliot from Memphis got draftted somewhere in the 5th round I believe.
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To be truely honest, this draft by Pace appears to be a special teams tryout draft.
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While he signed a three year contract Glennon is really on a one year prove it deal. They can cut him after this year with very little salary cap issue.
As was said before no way to know for sure they were going to be able to draft Tribusky. Let's face it none of us know if Trubisky is going to be any good or not. You never do when you take a QB. However you have a lot better chance when you draft the first one in his draft class then if you don't draft one at all. Or take one late in the draft.
He has all of the traits and intangibles you look for in a QB. That is about all you can ask for. We will just have to wait and see.
The TE looks like he can really develop into a special type of player. As someone else pointed out he has a very high ceiling.
The draft is always a crap shoot. Remember under the Wanny years when they always drafted players with name recognition? That never seemed to work out very well. How many of us thought Jordan Howard would play like he did?
No since in fighting about it.
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If glennon sucks in '17 he gets cut and Trubisky takes over the next year. If Glennon plays well and Trubisky inspires confidence in the coaching staff then I have no doubt that glennon will be traded for a nice haul in draft picks. Only way he plays more than one year for the bears is if Trubisky looks like dog **** in camp and practice.
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Trubisky- we could have gotten him but if not him, one of the other equal QB's at 3. Gave up too much for what most say is a down year for QB's in the draft.
TE- yeah, he's big fast etc etc etc. The footage he appears in looks like a high school game. Gut feeling is the kid comes out and gets smoked by the speed of the NFL game and goes nowhere.
Another RB- another frigging RB?? WTH? Are these the Lions, fixated on a position like they were WR for years?? Definitely should have grabbed a secondary guy here. The guy is small. I can see it now WOW, HE'S FAST! OHHhhhh, he's injured, darn!....wait for it...
Jackson- like him, don't like the fact he's injury prone. Bears jumped the ball grabbing a injury before he had a chance TO be injured....
Another OL - meh
We needed more picks, not less. Not impressed in the least with this draft. Bunch of projects. Trubisky is going to sit behind a guy with little experience himself. A recipe for disaster. But hey....it is the Bears....can't expect too much.
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I think you mean Cam Robinson. I don't think Newton is coming to Chicago... :)
It actually had me searching the internet.. Thought I missed something..
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Browns got nine players for Carson Wentz, and they’re not done yet
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 30, 2017, 12:18 PM EDT
The haul of players the Browns have acquired with picks they got from Philadelphia in last year’s Carson Wentz trade is extraordinary, and it hasn’t even ended yet.
Cleveland sent the second overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft (along with a 2017 fourth-round pick) to the Eagles in exchange for Philadelphia’s first-round, third-round, and fourth-round picks in last year’s draft, Philadelphia’s first-round pick in this year’s Draft and Philadelphia’s second-round pick in next year’s NFL Draft.
With Philadelphia’s 2016 first-round pick, Cleveland traded down again and got Tennessee’s first-round pick and third-round pick, as well as Tennessee’s 2017 second-round pick. With Tennessee’s first-round pick, Cleveland chose receiver Corey Coleman. With Tennessee’s third-round pick, Cleveland chose offensive tackle Shon Coleman. With Tennessee’s 2017 second-round pick, Cleveland chose quarterback DeShone Kizer.
Cleveland packaged Philadelphia’s 2016 third-round pick and a fifth-round pick and traded them to Carolina for the Panthers’ 2016 third-, fourth- and fifth-round picks. With the third-round pick, Cleveland chose quarterback Cody Kessler. With the fourth-round pick, Cleveland chose safety Derrick Kindred. With the fifth-round pick, Cleveland chose offensive tackle Spencer Drango.
Cleveland sent Philadelphia’s 2016 fourth-round pick to Oakland for the Raiders’ fourth- and fifth-round picks. With the fourth-round pick, the Browns chose receiver Ricardo Louis. With the fifth-round pick, the Browns chose receiver Jordan Payton.
Cleveland sent Philadelphia’s 2017 first-round pick to Houston for the Texans’ first-round picks this year and next year. With the Texans’ first-round pick, the Browns selected safety Jabrill Peppers.
So the Browns now have nine players — Corey Coleman, Shon Coleman, DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Derrick Kindred, Spencer Drango, Ricardo Louis, Jordan Payton, Jabrill Peppers — as well as the Texans’ first-round pick next year and the Eagles’ second-round pick next year, all for trading the opportunity to choose Wentz.
That’s an incredible haul. Also incredible is the possibility that Wentz will turn into a franchise quarterback, the Browns won’t find one, and Cleveland fans will be left wishing the Browns hadn’t made that trade.
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I think all GM's get fixated on a certain player. Pace got scared and decided to work a deal to guarantee getting his man. I don't at all buy into the "we already had Glennon". One thing's for certain, if this draft doesn't work out, Pace will be history. History not only here, but his days as a GM in the NFL will be over.
Honestly, I wonder how long Fox will hang on.
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The question is if they over perform this year and say go 9-7, does Fox want to stick around for another year, or does he say, I've had enough.
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I personally think this is Fox's last year unless we go deep in playoffs. Pace is going to want to hire a young stud that is his pick. Fox was pretty much forced on him from what I can recall.
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Fox was Pace's pick. Trestman was forced on him.
I think if they win 7 or more games and the team looks like they are improving they are both fine. Less then 7 wins and they are probably both gone.
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Honestly, I wonder how long Fox will hang on.
I really dont see enough wins to turn this team into a winner, which definitely means he's a gonner.
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Yer nine years old and it's your birthday ...
you are looking forward to birthday cake and ice cream.
Instead you are served a plate of sauerkraut & fried liver ...
you have been betrayed by the "adults" you trusted ...
and are now confused and stumped. ???
Fangio is wondering why he is a coach on the team.
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If Fox gets canned, no way to I see Pace not getting a chance to hire a second coach.
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I think they will let Pace choose a coach
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He chose Fox. He might get one more shot at choosing a coach but I figure that at 50/50 at best for him.
Let's hope they play well this year and it isn't an issue.
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What he may need more is an OC
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Seems a lot of negative reaction to our draft on the boards. I believe most of us just had not heard of these players. However after watching some film, I am becoming more excited. I really like the looks of our 4th round running back. You got watch his highlight clips. I think he will add something immediately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHTOUbYNbgw
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The NFL graded the Bears draft as the worst in the league-that's 32 out of 32. This is not how you build your way out of the ditch. Cleveland is doing it right. The Bears IMO have set themselves up to be in the cellar of this league for years to come. I don't see NEARLY enough help out of this draft OR FA to pull this team out of its spiral.
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Pekin - Trestman and Emery were both swept out the same season.
I think Fox becoming available right after the Superbowl was tough to turn down after the cluster that was Trestman. I feel the pain like everyone else, but tough to go through all of the injuries and have a successful season. 4 QBs in one year, by the end of the season we were down to a guy we signed off the street right before the season.
Emery and Trestman left the cupboard bare when they left.
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The NFL graded the Bears draft as the worst in the league-that's 32 out of 32. This is not how you build your way out of the ditch. Cleveland is doing it right. The Bears IMO have set themselves up to be in the cellar of this league for years to come. I don't see NEARLY enough help out of this draft OR FA to pull this team out of its spiral.
Surprise!!! The Bears didn't do what the "experts" thought they should so they "grade" them as the worst draft.
BTW - that grade can only be based on their opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.
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After watching the highlight reels for our picks I am kind of excited to see what they can do. We have a ginormous TE and a super tiny RB, but they both have skills. And I like the poise and touch that Trubisky has on his passes, and he has some moves as well. Still looking for highlights on the S, and the OL guy just seems ok. He played OT in college but everyone says he will play G. If Long is hurt that might not be such a bad thing. I am not out on the ledge like some posters, I am kind of ready for some football. lol
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Nice UDFA pickup to compete for kicker:
https://www.utahutes.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=741
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They desperately needed this Utah kid. Its why I was hoping for us to keep that 7th rounder we had.
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BTW - that grade can only be based on their opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.
Tell that to Dallas, who uses opiniated numbers to justify giving up 4 picks to move up one spot for Trubisky.
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Wishful, what was the other offer the 49ers had for the pick that Pace had to beat?
What picks should have completed the deal?
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Say what Dallas?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/anyone-talking-nfl-world-stunned-160443395.html
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It has been said many times:
Can't judge any NFL draft until 3-4 years after...
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davebear, let me say this.....Except for Miami, Syracuse, BC, Notre Dame and Louisville, which are add ons, can you name an ACC school that won a national championship?..... None that I am aware of. To me the ACC is a Basketball conference. Here in a basketball conference a QB couldn't even start his Fr or So year. Somebody beat him out. Good Grief. If that were at a football powerhouse it would be understandable. Clemson is building a case for being a football powerhouse. Not so with North Carolina. And with Clemson winning the national championship, to the best of my knowledge that's the 1st ACC team to win a national championship in a long time. My point is just how good is Mitch Trubisky? Is he really worth the #2 pick? I know my opinion isn't worth 2 cents but to me he wasn't worth #2, or even #3.
Do I hope he fares well for the Bears? Sure. The same as we all wished Jay Cutler well until it became obvious he was too flawed to succeed. Do I believe he can or will be as great as other QBs in the NFC North? I severely doubt that. To me he is a mediocre QB. Of all the QBs in this draft that impressed me, Watson and Mahomes impressed me the most (in that order). And we got neither.
Personally I believe Pace got snookered. All I can say is I hope Pace knows what he is doing, because he really put his neck on the chopping block with that pick.
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Honestly, if Pace wanted him, he's the GM. He may end up being a draft clown, but Pace knew what would happen if it all blows up. He's gone. This is Fox's last rodeo, now we'll see if he torpedos Pace with player selection. Hell if the guy turns out just ok the Bears are
ahead of the game. I loved Cutler when he was on it, but then.....boom. And honestly, I never quite got over him taking himself out of that game. I know, I know, I wasn't there, I shouldn't judge, but I do. The rest of them...where the hell
is Ashland? All small schools? Of course these people look good in the highlight reels, they're highlight reels. IMO staring 2-14 right in the chops.
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To me 2-14 sounds about right. Its not going to be pretty.
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Wshful
I'm not a big college fan but was reading the ACC was perhaps the best football conference Why the ACC was 2016's best college football conference - SBNation ...
Definitely Trubisky is an unknown. Maybe next year we could see better options and trade 2 first rounders second and thirds like the Eagles and Rams did.
I saw Trubisky play twice, Kizer 3 times Watson 3 times Webb 4. Trubisky impressed me with his accuracy that the others didn't have.
Personally I would have drafted Adams then a corner in the second and Webb in the third.
But since Pace made his pick the team has a real chance to move on from mediocrity. If he fails we're no worse off than where we started.
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sorry http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/1/12/14249416/college-football-rankings-conferences-2016-acc-sec-big-ten-clemson
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Here is a story on Trubisky and why he only started 1 year, for what it is worth:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-mitch-trubisky-bears-biggs-spt-0430-20170429-story.html
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Can we put all the politics to the side and all think for a moment? Here is what concerns me. The NCAA isn't the same as the NFL. With the NFL you cant insert the 3rd string QB into the game whether its injury or bad play. Only 2 QBs are active on gameday. That means that Glennon will start and likely Sanchez will be the backup, unless the Bears change that. That means unless Trubisky is one of the 2 active QBs he cant even be put into a game for injury or performance issues. My point is it is going to take a long time before we can even see how good Trubisky is. Who knows maybe he gets some 4th quarter action during the preseason.
To me this is a wasted draft.
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A possible perspective on the other side of The Trade?
Inside San Francisco’s Draft Room (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king)
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sorry http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/1/12/14249416/college-football-rankings-conferences-2016-acc-sec-big-ten-clemson
Davebear, I am not trying to beat you up, but the ACC has changed in the last few years with the addition of some football teams. See I go back a lot farther than you when I speak of ACC football. North Carolina has never been a football powerhouse. Clemson had last won a championship was like 1949. But things are changing in the ACC.
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Plant me on the decidedly opposed to this stupid draft side. I'll take the heat if it turns out great...but it won't....
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davebear, let me say this.....Except for Miami, Syracuse, BC, Notre Dame and Louisville, which are add ons, can you name an ACC school that won a national championship?..... None that I am aware of.
Clemson won last year. And, Florida State has won a few.
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A possible perspective on the other side of The Trade?
Inside San Francisco’s Draft Room (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king)
That's very very interesting. Amazing that Pace never told SF who the Bears were going to take.
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Plant me on the decidedly opposed to this stupid draft side. I'll take the heat if it turns out great...but it won't....
So you are saying you thought it was a good draft? You are against that this was a stupid draft? JK, I know what you are saying...
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We've been dealt the hand ...
it is what it is.
How can we parley this into taking everybody else's money,
that is sitting at our table ?
I want that Packer motherfuucker's money first at our table.
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The 2017 draft is just over and then I find this to look at:
http://dawindycity.com/2017/05/01/chicago-bears-2018-nfl-draft-targets/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
I would almost be shocked if we weren't high in the 1st round at the next draft
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Top 5 pick, Wsh. Can almost guarantee it. They didn't do nearly enough this offseason to change the mess they're in. Shuffled chairs on the Titanic. One washed up secondary guy for a new washed up secondary guy. HEY...they DID draft a CB/Safey whatever though. One that broke his leg to end last season and has had a ACL injury, which is exactly what you want when a guy cuts and turns quickly. Maybe the Bears should have looked at high schoolers..... ::)
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Keep in mind that we had half the starters on IR last year. Just having a healthy team would go a long way towards more wins. Not that we can bet on the team staying fairly healthy considering recent history.
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I see a significantly better team, but the schedule is a killer
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Who likes QB accuracy?
http://www.milehighreport.com/2017/4/30/15492264/chad-kelly-had-highest-score-sport-science
Mr. Irrelevant my ass...
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That kids gonna light em up. you watch. If he can keep from threatening to machinegun groups of people that is (psst, kid, its the 21st century in America. don't do that).
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Our schedule is brutal.
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Glennon getting a nice start from this wonderful club, lol...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/bears-asked-mike-glennon-soldier-field-draft-party-traded-replacement-180233682.html
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I don't feel sorry for Glennon. If he plays good enough to keep the kid on the bench he has nothing to worry about. Plus he got paid!
This is professional football. If you can't handle competition you are in the wrong game.
Glennon will get over it or he was the wrong guy to begin with.
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He will be in trouble if he keeps looking over his shoulder. Play like you think you can.
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Tell that to Dallas, who uses opiniated numbers to justify giving up 4 picks to move up one spot for Trubisky.
Man, I'm getting so tired of reading all these lame brain media idiots stating the Bears gave up so much to move just 1 spot. They need to consult the draft value board and shut the f***up.
The draft board says a value for moving up from 3 to 2 could be the following:
3rd rounder
4th rounder
5th rounder
So if you include your #3 pick that comes to...drum roll...4 picks for one.
Now the Bears maybe gave up more than a 5th rounder considering next year's 3rd but from what I've read that when first round QBs are involved the price can go up.
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Dallas, you give up the ship to move up to get a Manning, or equivalently talented QB. This is the problem-this year was a down year for QB's. There IS no Manning here. IMO these QB's are all about the same. Don't get Trubisky, fine go with Watson. Don't give the frigging picks away! Especially when you are trying desperately to rebuild this mess of a team, you need the picks!! With this team is such disarray, they should have gone with a more surefire pick to get help immediately. Instead, they're chasing dreams again with a TE from a small school, a QB with little experience, a defender coming off a broken leg and a MCL, a tiny RB of all frigging things. I mean, seriously??! You don't see a problem with any of this?!? The rest of the nation seems to!
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Next, I'm hearing that Mr. Trubisky won't even dress on Sunday and will just be holding a clipboard...for the whole year...oh my how could that be?
Given the Bears talent level I'd expect them to win 6 games maybe 8, I dunno, as I never really get into predicting season records. But I'd expect once the Bears get eliminated from playoff contention do you think they are going to see what Sanchez can do?
And what if Glennon gets hurt? The guy is not the most mobile QB so its possible he may take a few extra hits. Not wishing the guy to be injured but we did lose 3 QBs from the preseason on with season enders last year and we had a pretty decent pass blocking O-line. You just never know how that goes.
Trubisky might play 2 or 3 games...or like Dak Prescott may start all 16 games and the playoffs.
I know we all view that next year is the only year that matters and all our rookies have to start right away and lead us to the Super Bowl or the season is lost.
But we have no idea how the 2017 season is going to unfold...we don't know who's going to be available who is going to go on IR...we don't know how hard are schedule will be.
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Dallas, you give up the ship to move up to get a Manning, or equivalently talented QB. This is the problem-this year was a down year for QB's. There IS no Manning here. IMO these QB's are all about the same. Don't get Trubisky, fine go with Watson. Don't give the frigging picks away! Especially when you are trying desperately to rebuild this mess of a team, you need the picks!! With this team is such disarray, they should have gone with a more surefire pick to get help immediately. Instead, they're chasing dreams again with a TE from a small school, a QB with little experience, a defender coming off a broken leg and a MCL, a tiny RB of all frigging things. I mean, seriously??! You don't see a problem with any of this?!? The rest of the nation seems to!
Geez, when was Manning drafted...last century? Do you recall when he was drafted? It was between him and Ryan Leaf for #1. Opinions were pretty split on the two. I don't think anyone thought the two would end up with careers so radically different. But that's the risk with playing the QB game. High risk...high reward.
The last QB drafted with a higher grade than Trubisky was Andrew Luck...and that was back in 2012. So do you wait until there is an up year for QB and then hope you are within range of trading/drafting one? Is that next year? Or maybe 3 or 4 years from now when the planets align?
Pace saw a guy he liked and he's like Trubisky for months...and he had an opportunity and made it happen.
As for the rest of the draft...I agree it was rather underwhelming. I liked the safety pick and glad we trade up to get him as they were going fast.
Not so thrilled with the Shaheen pick. He's big but couple the competition level and his speed/quickness...I just don't know if he'll succeed in the NFL.
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I think if Pace felt he could drop Trubiskey and Watson into a brown paper bag and pull out the same talent he would have done it and stayed at 3. He kept talking about his conviction that Trubiskey was the pick. Everyone on this board and in the media said that Pace just bet his career on Trubiskey. Isn't that the kind of guts and decisiveness you want in a GM? Now a GM isn't just guts and decisiveness, but also has to be a strong talent evaluator. He holds one of 32 jobs in the world that gets to pull that trigger and I'll bet his acumen against mine or the media until proven otherwise.
Let's see how this works out.
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Adam Schein-NFL Network
THE DRAFT MOVE I LOATHED
9) The Bears ... well, there are no words
In every possible way, the Chicago Bears failed the 2017 NFL draft.
When the team traded up one spot to draft Mitch Trubisky second overall, you could've knocked me over with a feather.
MITCH TRUBISKY?!?!?!
I like Trubisky, but he started just 13 games in college and wasn't the consensus best quarterback in the draft -- not by a long shot. Many executives and analysts whose opinions I value have Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson ahead of him.
Chicago had a golden opportunity to nab a defensive stud third overall, with safety Jamal Adams (who went sixth to the Jets) being a dreamy option as a player and leader. Instead, GM Ryan Pace was fleeced by Lynch, who extracted valued picks (67th and 111th overall in 2017 and a 2018 third-rounder) from the Bears in exchange for the chance to draft a QB I firmly believe would have been there at No. 3.
Like the Niners and Jets, the Bears should not have been in the quarterback business this year, at least not with a top-10 pick. San Francisco and New York opted to smartly wait and not overreact, trying to fill holes on the rest of their roster and aim for the bumper crop of QBs projected to be available in 2018. Picking a QB in Round 2 or 3 would've made some sense for Chicago, but giving up the farm for a project at No. 2 overall? Come on.
I like veteran QB Mike Glennon -- to whom the Bears handed a good chunk of change in March -- more than most. And now Glennon has no chance to be successful in Chicago, with Trubisky plucked at No. 2. If Trubisky was really going to be their guy in Round 1, why didn't they bring back Brian Hoyer and spend the real money to retain receiver Alshon Jeffery, add another veteran receiver or address the defense?
The Bears don't seem to understand the player-acquisition process. Chicago had a desperate need for talent, and after an offseason in which there appeared to be no correlation in draft and free-agency strategy, the cupboard remains barren. This is arguably the least-talented team in the NFL, possessing what is without question one of the three worst rosters in the league.
It's easy to see the Bears on the clock to kick off the 2018 NFL Draft with the first overall pick -- without the freedom to pick a quarterback prospect and, potentially, with a new coach at the helm.
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Next, I'm hearing that Mr. Trubisky won't even dress on Sunday and will just be holding a clipboard...for the whole year...oh my how could that be?
That was explained to you but I'll try to explain that again and pound it into your hard head.
1) Most teams only carry 2 active QBs, a starter and a backup and then someone is designated emergency QB (a player who is active)
2) The reason being that it would require a team to lose one of their reserves at other positions
3) So were there an injury to Glennon during a game, Sanchez would enter the game as a backup. Then in the same game were Sanchez to go down or were ineffective they cant replace him and install Trubisky because he is inactive. Then they would give the reins to the designated emergency QB, whoever that happens to be.
4) The week following an injury to a QB the Bears can activate Trubisky. That is the only way Trubisky sees any active time and possible game action. It is rare to see any NFL team have 3 active QBs.
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The Schein article is so messed up I don't know where to begin to rip it apart. Maybe late tonight.
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I think everyone knows the rules of how the #3 QB gets into a game.
And when I talk about a QB injury I'm not talking about an owie that forces a QB to miss the rest of a game I'm talking about the injuries that take a guy out indefinitely. Like Shaw, Cutler (twice), and Hoyer last year. Does that help?
A lot depends on the Bears record and the confidence level in Sanchez and Trubisky. And you do know QBs can be replaced other than by injury?
And who is to say that at the start of the season it's going to be Glennon, Sanchez and Trubisky in that order anyway?
The best man wins - it's called a competition and it's what Pace likes to setup as much as possible by his roster moves.
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I'm surprised that apparently most Bear fans would be content to go with Glennon and hope to get someone better sometime in the future.
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Because they would be happy with 8 wins until they get 8 wins.
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DB, not at all true, not in the least. Plenty of decent QB's in this draft who could help this team. Giving away the farm for one=stupid, very...very stupid. Especially when help is needed elsewhere. I've never been sold on Glennon. Not sold on Trubisky. Not sure WHO can help this mess of a team. It's going to be another long year of losses. Won't be watching much of it as I'm absolutely past fed up with these idiots.
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I've been a Bear fan since 1972 - I understand your frustration.
I can't say I agree with every move made by Pace. Shoot, Id have kept Cutler and Jeffery but still drafted Trubisky.
But I like Pace - he's the only guy in the Bears org right now that I trust.
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Anyone here been a Bear fan since 1943? Do I have everyone beat?
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My football card collection seems to start about 1949. I would have been 7 years old at that time.
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Started around 1968, Sayers and Butkus.
Still remember watching every game, all losses in "69. Then one week my mom asked me to go shopping with her and I agreed since they would lose anyway. They demolished Pittsburg that week for their only win. Of course Bears and Pittsburgh ended up in a tie and Pittsburgh won a coin toss for first draft pick and took Bradshaw.
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I remember reading about that coin flip and after that the Steelers began their dynasty.
I now don't feel so much as an old fart...or maybe not the oldest fart.
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Put down in the Pace camp. I think the guy has stones. I think our draft this year will grade out very good in 3-4 years time. I could be totally wrong, but I do not think there has been any proof yet that Pace is not a very good GM in the making. If we had not lost Gase I think last year might have been a bit different.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-franko-house-basketball-football-biggs-spt-0504-20170503-column.html
Why are the Bears going after guys who are totally unproven?? Project...project....project....another project. WTH is with them? Is it because they come cheap? I'm beginning to seriously think so.
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When I was 7, I memorized every player on the Bears roster and their number. If you told me a number, I could tell you the player. My first memories of watching the Bears were also the 1969 version, and then the horrible years of the 70's until Walter
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I grew up as an old Charlie Trippi fan. When the Cardinals moved out of town I was lost till the 65 (?) draft of Sayers and Butkus. I've been a Bears fan since. I also go back to the same vintage as Davep but I wasn't such a football fan then and I don't recall collecting football cards either just baseball cards. My football excitement began in the late 50's in high school when our high school team was so good.
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Feeling younger everyday. I think it's great having all the long time Bear fans here. Well, except for Wshful. Nah, just kidding.
Hey Sportster, that's a great story about the basketball player turned tight end. We had such a drought at TE for so many years. And the good ones we found recently didn't stay that long (Olsen and Bennett) or are constantly injured (Miller).
The House deal is low risk maybe high reward. Teams do it quite a bit.
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The Cowgirls did the sane thing last year when they drafted that basketball player I liked and thought had football talent. I don't know whatever happened to him but the parallel is there. Then this small school kid we drafted looks like he could be a good player too. Its hard to grow ideal size like that. Olsen never had the proper traits when he was a Bear.
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I remember reading about that coin flip and after that the Steelers began their dynasty.
I now don't feel so much as an old fart...or maybe not the oldest fart.
I was stationed in Shreveport the year that Bradshaw was drafted, and the local papers had substantial coverage of their local kid. The belief was that the Bears were going to go after a defensive tackle (Mike McCoy?), regardless of the coin toss result. I have no idea what the Chicago papers were saying.
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I believe they all suggested that the Bears trade up - Seeeee.
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I looked it up a few days ago. Bears traded the second pick to the Packers for three washed up veterans, Elijah Pitts, Leroy Caffe and John Hyland.
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Did the Packers then take McCoy?
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Yes
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I knew McCoy was involved. With only Louisiana papers to refer to, it was hard to keep track of what the Bears specifically were doing.
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I became a BEARS fan in 2017 with the 2017 NFL Draft ...
I knew two of two things :
1. Pace, getting past the Trubisky deal ...
2. The rest of his picks better be flat out stompin motherfuuckers !
We can all take the rebuild team however strange in this draft ,
there has to be results in the rest of the draft that perform.
Four other players drafted better be outstanding ... a cut above.
There has to be lightning bolts shooting out of their asses .
TE
DB
RB
OL
That's it baby ... that's the draft.
All gladiators up to the training area !! The SHOW begins ... ;D
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Trubiski will not be on the active roster for at least the first half of the season. They will have no idea what they have with Glennon and the Bears OL pass protection..and at least Sanchez can come in and finish a game. Say Glennon gets concussion protocol in the first quarter at Lambeau. Do you want to throw Trubisky in there...? Hell no. Or versus Atlanta or Pittsburgh or....the schedule is brutal, especially earlier.
The difficulty eases toward the end of the year and its likely Trubisky will be "promoted" to backup in late November-early December. They'll cross their fingers that he won't have to start and will only do mop up. They are going to protect him and why wouldn't they?
You have to see it from the Bears' perspective...he is their most precious infant, their hope and bet and prayer for the future. They are not going to plant their most precious seeding in the first season and risk him getting trampled.
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Dallas wont believe that.
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You are correct.
Trying to predict how the QB situation plays out in Chicago in any season is like predicting the stock market - every one has an opinion...but few predict it correctly.
Recall many stating that Cade McNown was the most NFL ready of his QB draft class.
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That was Kipers main evaluation of McNown. Reason I dont really listen to Kiper too much.
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You are correct.
Trying to predict how the QB situation plays out in Chicago in any season is like predicting the stock market - every one has an opinion...but few predict it correctly.
Recall many stating that Cade McNown was the most NFL ready of his QB draft class.
Its hard to teach old dawgs new tricks. Dallas will be petitioning the Bears to break tradition and keep 3 QBs active now.
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I filled out my petition last night to Pace to have all 3 QBs active and the response I got was that the Bears will dress all of them for all preseason games.
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I aplaud your efforts but disagree with any ability for it to last beyond preseason. And I'm sure you told Pace you wanted Connor Shaw canned too. ::)
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I like Shaw and hope he unseats Sanchez.
Trubisky will be 3rd string for a bit or may be 1st string for a the majority of the season it could be 2nd string....
Who knows?
You talk as if Trubisky being the emergency backup is a bad thing - kind of short term thinking.
Just gotta see what happens.
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I never said emergency backup. You are reading something into what was written. See its like this. Only two are active. If both go down in a game there is an emergency QB designation. The 3rd stringer doesn't automatically enter the game. Some other player on the active roster is the designated emergency QB for the rest of that game
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Man you are really fixated on this 3rd string QB thing...3rd string...emergency QB...not the point.
My point is Trubisky most likely will be 3rd string starting out the season...or not. ShIIt happens.
You really need to accept that the Bears drafted Trubisky - he's a Bear now.
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No Dallas you need to accept the fact that as 3rd string QB Trubisky just isn't going to receive any PT. To me Trubisky is kind of like a wasted pick as a bench warmer or clipboard carrier. We needed starters, not Whites and clipboard carriers. Come on now, just say it. Trubisky is a clipboard carrier.
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Clipboards are so 20th century...
They carry MS tablets now...
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We dont need starters, we need to tank this year and get hte #1 pick, then trade it away for a BOAT LOAD of picks when someone moves up for Darnold.
I am all for a Cleveland style rebuild.
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Someone said that the Bears wouldn't draft Trubisky - I said they should. They did.
Someone said the Bears offered too much for the #2 pick - I said the compensation was fair. And the charts and past QB trades validate my statement.
Someone said that Trubisky will be a clipboard carrying 3rd stringer throughout the year - I now say he will start sooner than you think. Maybe game 1.
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I hope not.
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Last year was the first time that 2 QBs started and had some success. Prescott and Wentz. Prior to that Winston and Marriota were rocky and I think you would have to go back to Luck and Griffin for 2 QBs that started out of the gate and were successful.
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Someone said that the Bears wouldn't draft Trubisky - I said they should. They did.
Someone said the Bears offered too much for the #2 pick - I said the compensation was fair. And the charts and past QB trades validate my statement.
Someone said that Trubisky will be a clipboard carrying 3rd stringer throughout the year - I now say he will start sooner than you think. Maybe game 1.
And if he isnt the starter game 1 are you going to be whining as usual? Are you going to be here leading a crusade for Pace's firing because Trubisky isnt starting? Or are you going to let the Bears management decide when and where Trubisky starts? Please let us know. This should be interesting to hear.
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Wshful, you've really lost it.
Do you think that Aaron rodgers was a bad 1st round pick because he waited a few years to start?
What a wasteful pick by the packers to not get a day 1 starter in the 1st round.. tsk tsk.
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We dont need starters, we need to tank this year and get hte #1 pick, then trade it away for a BOAT LOAD of picks when someone moves up for Darnold.
I am all for a Cleveland style rebuild.
As much as I would love it, the Bears are not going to get the first pick next year. In fact, I don't think they will get a pick in the first five.
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Trubisky is not going to start game one nor should he. Hopefully he doesn't play at all this year other then preseason.
I predict the Bears will win more games this year then last.
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I hope that prediction is wrong as well... i hope they lose 16. Suck for Sam Darnold, trade the pick away for a freaking fortune. rebuild both lines with the bounty
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Wshful, you've really lost it.
Do you think that Aaron rodgers was a bad 1st round pick because he waited a few years to start?
You are just interpreting BS like Dallas is. That still doesnt make this draft a super draft. Its still a bust IMHO. And not necessarily because of Trubisky. Examine the draft player by player. How many 2017 draft picks are 2017 starters? IMHO, zero. And because I really question how many of the picks after Trubisky actually make the 2017 roster. I hope all make it but dont believe it. Thus my point this is a bust draft. Disagree or not thats my personal belief.
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I predict the Bears will win more games this year then last.
I really dont believe that and I am not the only one.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/05/10/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-predictions/
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Who cares if they are not 2017 starters?
I've said before that its after the turbinsky pick that this draft went off the rails... they went for small school athletes instead of ball players.
HOWEVER, if we just picked up 1 HOF player, who dont start year one, how is this a failed draft?
I think Turbinsky, if given time to mature can be one hell of a QB, he's accurate, makes all the throws just needs the experience to understand and read defenses. I am happy with that pick.
You are too short sighted... its not about 2017 right now. its about 2019 and 2020.
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Who cares if they are not 2017 starters?
I do, we flat blew that draft. We had a chance to come out of that draft with day one starters and didnt. I seriously doubt more than one other than Trubisky even makes the 53 man roster. And I hope I am wrong.
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Last year was the first time that 2 QBs started and had some success. Prescott and Wentz. Prior to that Winston and Marriota were rocky and I think you would have to go back to Luck and Griffin for 2 QBs that started out of the gate and were successful.
Griz, the odds of any QB taken in the first round being a success is probably 50/50 at best. Not sure I follow your logic about the 2 QB thing. We only need one to succeed.
As for Winston he had a decent rookie season. Threw for over 4000 yards 58% 84.2 rating. Last year he again threw for over 4000 yards upped his completion percentage to 60% and rating climbed slightly to 86.2. (Mariota BTW had a 91.5 and a 96 rating his first 2 years).
Here's my point. Mike Glennon's prior 2 years to Winston joining the Bucs saw him start 18 games and never rated above an 84. So the Bucs pretty much knew what they had in Glennon and decided to start the rookie Winston game 1.
So why is everybody just assuming Glennon will be the starting QB for 2017? He's thrown 11 passes in 2 games in the last 2 years. Trubisky threw 447 passes last year alone.
I think Pace is protecting Trubisky by not putting pressure on him to start right away and giving Glennon the first crack at the job, but you gotta believe the Bears will not hesitate to insert Trubisky at the first opportune moment when they think he gives them an equal or better chance to win.
Could be game 10 or game 4...or earlier.
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And if he isnt the starter game 1 are you going to be whining as usual? Are you going to be here leading a crusade for Pace's firing because Trubisky isnt starting? Or are you going to let the Bears management decide when and where Trubisky starts? Please let us know. This should be interesting to hear.
I'll support whoever wins the QB job and gives us the best chance to beat the Packers.
I liked what I saw and read about Trubisky but I haven't seen him in action so why would I support somebody I have no idea is qualified to start?
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I do, we flat blew that draft. We had a chance to come out of that draft with day one starters and didnt. I seriously doubt more than one other than Trubisky even makes the 53 man roster. And I hope I am wrong.
I can't say that I was that thrilled with the 2nd or 4th round picks.
So you are saying only 2 guys (including Trubisky) even make the team.
Barring injury Adam Shaheen and Eddie Jackson make the team. Cohen, the gimmick back, is the wild card. I think Jordan Morgan has more of a shot than Cohen. Haven't seen any of them play but I think 5 or 6 make the 53 man roster.
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Wshful, you've really lost it.
He never really ever had it...
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Dallas - My point was that selecting a QB early in the draft is no guarantee of success and very few have success in their first year. For too long we have kicked the can down the road on the QB position. I give Pace credit for making the selection, I just hope he is right - like we all do.
I think part of the angst of Bears fans is that this was widely regarded as a deep defensive draft, and then we went out and didn't really go on defense. Losing the 3rd round pick was painful given the expert opinion of the draft that defensive backs could be plucked later into the draft. By giving up our 3 and 4 this year, it kind of forced our hand to trade our 2nd round pick to recoup a 4th rounder.
I believe the reports that SF had offers for the 2nd pick, and interestingly the phone went silent when Trubiskey went off the board. If Trubiskey wasn't the guy that other teams wanted, those teams could have traded up to 3 - but didn't.
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Pace has taken a big risk in taking Trubisky. I hope he is successful. I just think Trubisky may take longer to develop, much like Osweiler. The only player who we drafted that I really liked was the big TE. You cant grow a TE better than that. I sure hope he can really play. Except for Bennett we haven't had a true TE since Ditka.
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Would definately agree Bears needed day one starters, not projects...
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I hope this story isn't Fantasy Island:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/te-adam-shaheen-more-than-a-big-guy-who-can-run-hes-mean-too/
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We went Offense when the rest of the NFL went Defense ...
now granted that's a convoluted way of thinking,
and it's going to cost people their ...
Jobs.
If this strategy backfires big time.
People at Halas Hall bet their reputation on the picks. Period.
It stands to reason that there is a belief in what they drafted is going to
win show or place.
All we can do is stand back and watch with upcoming games in 2017.
The decision will be made in December 2017 as to who did what right.
MEANWHILE :
There's more then enough left over money to placate Rusty Jones out of retirement.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Because ... we pretty much SUUCK when it comes to injury's. >:(
We don't want to be that TEAM anymore. >:(
Drafting players and watching them go on I.R.
Nahhhh ... I can't take that shiit anymore .
And neither can you. :'(
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Bears will be better than last year merely by virtue of their depth. Only starting position that appears to be in worse shape is WR.
Don't be surprised if our starting TEs are Sims and Sheeran, with Brown and Pruitt backing up. I think Miller and Braunecker are gone.
If Hoyer had a history of being more durable, I think he might have been back instead of signing Glennon. He didn't, so he isn't.
Barkley had 2 good games and then the scouting report got out and he became Captain Pick. Beathard will be the backup in SF by end of preseason.
Our offense is a work in progress, but I think our defense will be a top ten unit if they stay healthy. The entire starting secondary will be new and better.
Front seven was strong last year and will be improved with a healthy Goldman and ascending Floyd.
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Bears will be better than last year merely by virtue of their depth. Only starting position that appears to be in worse shape is WR.
Don't be surprised if our starting TEs are Sims and Sheeran, with Brown and Pruitt backing up. I think Miller and Braunecker are gone.
If Hoyer had a history of being more durable, I think he might have been back instead of signing Glennon. He didn't, so he isn't.
Barkley had 2 good games and then the scouting report got out and he became Captain Pick. Beathard will be the backup in SF by end of preseason.
Our offense is a work in progress, but I think our defense will be a top ten unit if they stay healthy. The entire starting secondary will be new and better.
Front seven was strong last year and will be improved with a healthy Goldman and ascending Floyd.
I agree. Not sure Zach Miller gets launched but it wouldnt surprise me.
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Right now Miller is our best receiver.
I can't see him getting cut if he's healthy in camp.
I think Sims sees a lot of playing time because he's a blocker and the Bears will try to run the ball.
Shaheen will take time to familiarize and I doubt he plays a lot the first 6 games.
I see Sims, Miller and Shaheen with Brown. Braunecker fighting for a spot.
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I would love a mauling defense. I get more juiced by the defense playing well, taking the ball away, a big sack, than just about anything else. The Floyd sack, strip, and fumble recovery against Rodgers last year was like hitting the trifecta.
But you need to be able to score 24 points minimum, in the league, to be competitive.
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I finally found the podcast from the day after the first round. Charley Casserly's evaluation of the Bears trade...
"They basically gave up nothing." He comes on at the 7:45 mark and starts talking specifically about the Bears pick at the 13:40 mark. This a a real General Managers perspective on the deal if you want to listen to it. OBTW he built some really good teams. In his 23-year career with the Washington Redskins, the team went to four Super Bowls, winning three.
https://podfanatic.com/podcast/the-sports-junkies/episode/seg-01-charley-casserly
Time will only tell if Pace made a good move.
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I pretty much agree with davebear about the Bears TE situation. Miller if healthy is a guy other teams will have to worry about - not sure that can be said of our other receivers.
I think they keep 4 and the release of the FB may back that up.
I know many are impressed with Shaheens size and basketball background but it doesn't appear like he's all that fast (4.78) so I think he may have more of a learning curve dealing with the speed of NFL DBs. And blocking is also a question mark for almost all rookies.
As many have pointed out there were a lot of quality DBs in round 2 even after the trade down. So both of Paces first 2 picks will be scrutinized.
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billjohn,
Thanks for sharing. I think it is good insight. I also was shocked and original thought stupid trade. However after some reflection, if you believe in the guy go get him, we really did not give up a lot. Cleveland could have easily traded up into that spot for him. Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.
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https://youtu.be/NYEE5n9SCEs
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If that video in fact is accurate, Pace played this perfectly to land his player. Tell Cleveland that you will deal with them at 3, while you are negotiating to take Trubiskey at 2. That is a big boy move.
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I'd bet Pace did not want this story getting out.
Cleveland is already pi$$ed off at Pace.
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This assumes the Bears are that smart and history tells us clearly they are not....
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Why is Cleveland pi$$ed at us? I mean besides this trade, if in fact they wanted Trubiskey. Which I believe.
49ers phone was ringing off the hook for the 2 pick. Until we traded up and took Trubiskey. The 49ers were now at 3, only one pick later and the phone went silent. Anyone should be able to connect the dots, and without the negative glasses on, admit this was multiple teams target
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That's the thing, Bears more than any other team had to have a feel for the demand for Trubisky. Why you say? Because the same teams trying to trade to #2 were most likely talking with the Bears also to see what it might take if 49ers stayed put and took Thomas and Trubisky might be there for the taking. I would almost bet money that there were multiple teams inquiring. Pace probably was like ****, if we want the guy, we better move up to get him.
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While I will admit in the past we have not been smart, I hope that we are now on the smart upswing. Lets give Pace the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.
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Griz
Yeah, Browns wanted Trubisky and thought the 49ers and Bears didn't want him. If they knew the Bears were targeting him they might have pursued the trade up with SF. Instead they were focused on getting pick #3 which ended up with the Bears telling them "Oh, never mind"
The Browns may now cancel those annual preseason games with the Bears after this !!!
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Good Grief!
I hope that we are now on the smart upswing.
Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.
And who gives two hoots about losing the Brownie preseason game?
Jesus God Almighty!
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We had a TON of DEFENSE falling into our lap ... Pro-Bowler's ...
probably Canton bound ... and we passed on it all ...
for a QB that Mike Mayock said that NO QB in this draft was first round material.
To further compound the situation ... we went on an Offense jag in drafting ...
of everything obscure that we never heard of !
AND NOW ...
it is Hala's Hall's turn to turn this into a FOOTBALL TEAM.
Thank god I am currently from Missouri ...
SHOW ME !! !!
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Show you? Just you, huh?
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And who gives two hoots about losing the Brownie preseason game?
Nobody does - Jesus Christ Almighty. It's a joke....
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Jesus is not a joke.
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Show you? Just you, huh?
No. Myself and the rest of DA BEARS fans.
You better hope this works Dal.
Jesus is not a joke.
Yeah but his brother Larry is a total crackup at parties.
We've seen what we are up against in the first 8 games in 2017 ...
in this day and age about the time you launch the FRANCHISE QB ...
in game 9 ...
let's hope it doesn't happen .
Let the rookie QB get accentuated ... keep him out of the lineup as long as possible.
Take the losses ... don't feed him to the wolves.
No matter what Glennon/Shaw/Sanchez do ...
they have to carry the 2017 season , no matter what the results.
This isn't our year and we know it.
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I can see another pick from 5-10 in next yeas draft.
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I can see another pick from 5-10 in next yeas draft.
An optimist ... good to see !
Depending on what happens , I could see us falling into the Cleveland/Jacksonville slot.
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I could see that too, but am trying to avoid the "Debbie Downer Syndrome".
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If the Bears do not go to the playoffs, and at this time, I don't think that is very likely, I would much rather they lose every game and get the first pick.
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Well, they're only one pick away as they picked 2nd this year after moving up. I just want to shake my head when I think of how messed up this team is.....it's really a dumpster fire presently....