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Title: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 25, 2017, 09:16:32 am
Will be better than 2016...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2017, 09:45:15 am
Cant be worse,  the only way is up. Go Bears
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 25, 2017, 12:03:29 pm
Oh it can be worse. There ARE two teams below us picking before us.....let's hope this doesn't happen to the Bears next year but with this club, one never knows....they seem to find lower rungs on the ladder easier than the higher ones...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 29, 2017, 10:23:03 am
FWIW I watched the Senior Bowl yesterday (more out of curiosity of seeing the general flow of performance than really looking at talent, although there definitely was some there), and what I saw was a microcosm of the John "Faux" led Bears the last 2 years...

The North team played hard, but screwed up at key times that prevented scoring.

Interesting that there was a 2:00 period at the end of each quarter, simulating the end of the half. Clock management was typical (bad) but Hugh Jackson was even worse. Fourth and 4, 10 seconds left on a running clock in easy FG range and the South could've run the clock down to 4-5 secs before taking the TO. Instead they take the TO with 10 secs left, kick the FG and leave time on the clock. They kick the FG but to top it off, Faux takes a TO to "ice the kicker" after the South's TO. Of course TO could've been used on the follow up drive.  Christ why is it so hard for coaches to understand something a 10 year old Madden player understands fully ?

I bet the good players on both these teams are praying that if they get drafted, just not by the Bears or Bengals.....

The Defense kept getting turnovers but the Offense couldn't gain any consistency. After a taking a 3 point lead, gave up a 2 score lead, then finally came close in the end to making it a game. Close but another loss. Sound familiar ? Unfortunately this is the John Faux signature with the Bears....

I love this team. Always have. I feel stuck in the 70's again (albeit with no Walter to see me through the dark times). There is some talent on the team but I don't get the feeling they have turned much of a corner. More like ran into the fire hydrant on their way to the corner. This team is f u c k e d McCaskeyed up and will seemingly remain so for the near future.

Grim ? Maybe. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.........
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 30, 2017, 12:24:55 am



 The Reese's Senior Bowl will be replayed on NFL Network at 12:00 am PST.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 30, 2017, 01:19:02 pm



 JCut became lackadaisical after he got his big paycheck that permeated


 DAA BEARRSSE organization as a whole.  >:(
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 31, 2017, 11:51:38 am
I thought this guy could walk on water????

The Bears are reportedly making another change to John Fox’s coaching staff.

Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that the team will part ways with wide receivers coach Curtis Johnson. Johnson will be the fifth member of Fox’s coaching staff to move on after the 2016 season, joining running backs coach Stan Drayton, outside linebackers coach Clint Hurtt, assistant defensive backs coach Sam Garnes and offensive line coach Dave Magazu.

Biggs reports that Johnson is expected to pursue another NFL job. One possibility could be in New Orleans as Johnson coached there before and the Saints saw John Morton leave to become the Jets offensive coordinator.

The next Bears wide receivers coach will be charged with helping develop Kevin White, who has played just four games over his first two seasons due to injury. The team may also move on without Alshon Jeffery, who can become a free agent in March after playing out last season on the franchise tag.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 09, 2017, 03:20:04 am
So the Bears had one of their worst seasons in the teams history and what do they do in the offseason?? Why, they raise their prices of course!!
Makes TotAL SeNSe tO mE..... :-\ :-X >:(
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 09, 2017, 07:48:07 pm



 CHICAGO BEARS ranked #29 in NFL.com power rankings.


 Well kick my teeth in and call me Shirley !
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2017, 09:42:55 pm
Hi ya Shirley
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2017, 09:40:05 am
Well I kind of take this with a grain of salt because I know they have interest in Cutler, its just the price they cant afford.

http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/09/nfl-rumors-new-york-jets-chicago-bears-jay-cutler/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2017, 10:00:10 am
I found this interesting, not that I respect ESPN's track record for accuracy. And I would question whether its via trade or via free agency after Cutler is cut by the Bears.

http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/08/chicago-bears-espn-predicts-2017-nfl-moves/3/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 10, 2017, 07:45:06 pm



 
Hi ya Shirley


 At #29 in the power rankings ... every BEARS fan is a Shirley.


 Hi Shirley !  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2017, 10:44:45 pm
http://dawindycity.com/2017/02/11/chicago-bears-10-wins/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 14, 2017, 03:05:46 pm
Say it aint so....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2692152-2017-nfl-offseason-could-be-a-uniquely-epic-year-for-the-qb-carousel?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 14, 2017, 04:03:00 pm
Prediction: The Texans go all in on Romo. Osweiler signs a one-year deal with the Bears, reuniting with John Fox.

That would be strange.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 14, 2017, 08:57:34 pm
I like it better than many other options. Osweiler played pretty well under Fox, and it's only a 1 year deal...might catch lightning in a bottle...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 14, 2017, 10:44:58 pm
I watched the Texan playoff game and he didn't look all that bad. I cant see the deal flying. Are the Texans going to buy out Osweiler's contract, or is his deal a series of one year deals? I don't see their way out of his contract. It sounds like somebody's wet dream.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 15, 2017, 12:43:43 pm
Eric Kush was brought in as depth last year when the Bears lost center Hroniss Grasu to a torn ACL.

They must have liked what they saw, since they’re keeping Kush around.

The team announced they had signed the journeyman offensive lineman to a two-year deal.

Kush may be best known for his “Man of a Thousand Tank Tops” persona on Hard Knocks, and has had previous stints with the Chiefs, Buccaneers, Panthers, and Texans.

Kush started four games for the Bears last year, so he figures to be a valuable reserve in case their line isn’t ravaged by injuries again.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2017, 09:49:10 pm



 Boogie I edited your post :


 
Eric Kush was brought in as depth last year when the Bears lost center Hroniss Grasu to a torn ACL.

Kush started four games for the Bears last year, so he figures to be a valuable reserve in case their line isn’t ravaged by injuries again.


 Boogie ,


 Where the fuuck is Rusty Jones or someone like him when we need him ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2017, 07:45:31 am
He is pushing up daiseys
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 17, 2017, 08:37:39 am
We sorely need SOMEONE who can get our players in shape and healthy. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2017, 12:20:54 pm
In the 4th section of the article there is no mention of Connor Shaw.. Is it because of his broken leg status? As for he is a FA argument Hoyer, Shaw and Barkley are all FAs. Just curious.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-quarterback-search-ryan-pace-spt-0219-20170218-story.html#nt=oft02a-1gp2
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 17, 2017, 01:00:25 pm
They are keeping quiet on Shaw so noone else scoops him up.  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2017, 01:42:18 pm
I would definitely agree with that. Mum is the word. "Silence is golden." I think that is what the word is.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 17, 2017, 01:59:26 pm
Then again it isnt like we have a track record of having good qbs, so who would look at the Bears in any capacity?
Title: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 17, 2017, 02:05:44 pm
Any interest in Nick Foles? He's still young, and was really, really good his 1st season, and was good in a limited role last season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2017, 02:43:50 pm
I am not the one to comment on that. That would have to be Fox and or Pace. I didn't think Bradford was going to be what he did in Minny. I would think it would depend on whether he fits the system he is put in.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 17, 2017, 03:08:24 pm
Here is our next QB, maybe:

https://youtu.be/8XWJ9wGuGuc
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2017, 04:00:05 pm
He looks scared
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 17, 2017, 08:41:31 pm
Riggles?  LOL  I just like how he says Jimmy Garrapolo.....lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 19, 2017, 05:54:38 pm



 
He is pushing up daiseys


 Wsh,


 What kind of coin would it take to get Rusty Jones back ?


 Maybe if he had a John Fox type coach since when he retired in 2013 ?


 It's worth the effort to reach out to him.


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 19, 2017, 06:21:47 pm
I doubt it. Why wont you let the man retire in peace? You seem to be insisting that there is nobody left alive that can handle the job. Sometimes we have to move on.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 19, 2017, 07:21:34 pm



 
I doubt it. Why wont you let the man retire in peace? You seem to be insisting that there is nobody left alive that can handle the job. Sometimes we have to move on.


 Not when moving on means going backwards. 3-13


 If the Rusty Jones replacement is out there ...


 he better be at Halas Hall.


 Cause god do these fuuckers need it !


 (I'd still want Rusty Jones)  :D



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 21, 2017, 02:15:46 pm
Nice article:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18725360/is-jimmy-garoppolo-overhyped-budding-star-new-england-patriots-2017-nfl-offseason
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2017, 06:19:43 pm
AJ McCarron for a 3rd round pick...who says no, Bengals or Bears?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2017, 07:52:03 pm
maybe both
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on February 21, 2017, 08:46:27 pm
I'm afraid I'm losing my religon. I don't think it will matter what the Bear does, it will be wrong. Cutler's gonna get dumped, plain and simple.
Everybody is hurt. Jeffery is at the bus station praying that his shows up, I think the Bear will hold on to the 3rd pick,and get a kicker.  Or just pass. Nobody on this team stays healthy anymore, and the only thing looking up is ticket prices. Phillips looks like the goddam godfather, complete with scowl, and George......George means well, but so far? ah....not so much.  New is Old. Welcome, welcome 1974.  Hell, 1974 looks good now. 3 games! 3 f ucking games! Who's saying the Bears will do better?!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 22, 2017, 12:23:52 am
Now that would be funny if Pace picked a kicker with 3.  LOL  And if we only win 3 games next year it will help our draft pick next year, which is supposed to be a better year to draft a qb.  Is it too soon to start the 2018 draft thread? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 22, 2017, 08:11:39 am
Hey, the Cubs winning finally this past season after 100+ years of futility shows there's always hope! It may take a friggin century to get there and your kids and their kids may not see it but hey....it'll happen! The blind, half dead, crippled, scrawny squirrel eventually finds a nut....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 22, 2017, 10:52:23 am
We hired the mascot to be a coach?

The Bears are hiring Brandon Staley as their new outside linebackers coach, ESPN’s Adam Caplan reported.

Staley coached last season as defensive coordinator at Div. III John Carroll University in Cleveland, the alma mater of Hall of Fame coach Don Shula and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.

Staley had been hired for the same role at Tennessee-Chattanooga when ex-John Carroll coach Tom Arth was hired there in December. Arth had a stint as a quarterback with the Colts in the early 2000s.

Though most coaching openings across the league have been filled, the Bears have been busy this week filling out their staff. Zach Azzanni will be the team’s new wide receivers coach, and Derius Swinton will return as assistant special teams coach after he was the 49ers’ special teams coach last season.

Staley replaces Clint Hurtt, who is now the Seahawks’ defensive line coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 22, 2017, 04:08:05 pm



 If Garapolos splits N.E. I could see JCut as a backup.


 SEE : Randy Moss ... and a shiit load of other players.


 Belichick has that way with players.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 22, 2017, 06:05:26 pm
I really dont see that happening. Cutler wont be a backup for any team at 12.5 million, Word on the SCORE is the Bears have been actively been trying to trade Cutler since January. Also since Cutler has already been paid all his guaranteed money, if he doesnt like where the Bears trade him or what his role will be he just doesnt go there. Interesting!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 22, 2017, 10:24:33 pm
Word is Cut is considering retiring. Wonder if that's true or just a way to prevent the Bears from getting anything for him and then he can return later?? Don't know the specifics...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on February 22, 2017, 10:54:25 pm
That's prob. the best solution.  He made the money, he got beat up bad, and that disease he has is horrible. In later years, it can take body parts before it kills you. What he's gone through hasn't helped I'm sure. Made as many enemies and friends though why I don't know. A lot of players just don't like him. I remember a sidline shot sometime ago where the camera followed him back to a bench, two other players were sitting there, the minute he sat down, they got up and left. no hello, goodbye kiss my ass, just left. Things like that speak volumes.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 23, 2017, 05:19:34 am
Other than notable jackasses Marshall and Bennett, what player has been publicly critical of Cutler?  I don't even think they have said anything about Cutler being a bad team mate, more of a poor performer.  Now I will say, that Cutler doesn't seem to have players to gravitate to him though I can't say I pay enough attention to see how it works with the other QBs in the league.

The cameras love to follow Cutler though...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2017, 10:08:44 am
Here is an article on likely landing spots for Cutler

http://withthefirstpick.com/2017/02/23/ranking-the-best-landing-spots-for-jay-cutler/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

I ve seen and heard talk the Jets arent interested in Cutler, maybe because. of cap issues. Maybe thats something that could be mutually explored.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 23, 2017, 12:12:02 pm
Moving Sheldon Richardson, if they're serious about that, would help any cap issues.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2017, 02:48:10 pm
Yes it would. But it takes two to tango. internet talk doesnt get the job done.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on February 23, 2017, 04:20:52 pm
Dave,

Trading 1st for Cousins is terrible idea. Redskins cant afford to franchise him again... maybe a 3rd and cutler for cousins assuming bears can secure him to a long term deal.

Jets want a 1 for Richardson... they are going to have to lower their price esp with his temper tantrums last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2017, 05:28:02 pm
Put  down the dope Method, Cousins?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on February 23, 2017, 07:23:37 pm
yea... dave suggested swapping 1sts and QBs with the redskins last page...

maybe read?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 23, 2017, 09:08:09 pm
I only threw that out there in response to a rumor I saw that SF was considering that same deal with their #2 overall.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 24, 2017, 05:37:45 pm



 Any HALAS HALL organization worth their shiit ,


 would say stand in place and see the deals tossed.


 WE ... (due to an unfortunate collapse in 2016) ...


 are in the catbird seat ... we can dictate policy ...


 they can't.


 They have to come to us ... we can kick back and check out the neighborhood.  :D


 What we make of it ... is what HALAS HALL ... in their right gourd ... decides.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 27, 2017, 11:48:19 am
Ian Rapaport is reporting that the Bears will not tag Jeffery.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2017, 12:28:36 pm
I believe I already posted that on the draft thread
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2017, 01:17:03 pm
NFL network showing 2016 testing today.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 27, 2017, 03:09:29 pm



 Wsh,


 Let's hope for the best for our team.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 27, 2017, 04:20:01 pm
Time to let Jeffery go. He doesn't care to be here, for some reason we don't care to keep him, so adios and on to the next wideout probably another pick in the draft. Gotta keep moving forward....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2017, 05:07:03 pm
JJ I certainly AM
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 28, 2017, 12:41:02 pm
So much for getting this guy:

Safety Eric Berry said that he wouldn’t play out another season on the franchise tag, but it looks like he’ll avoid having to go through with that this season.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Berry and the Chiefs are putting the finishing touches on a long-term deal that will keep the franchise tag off the table for the safety. The two sides are reportedly finalizing a six-year deal worth $78 million, which would make Berry the highest-paid player at his position.

Berry has spent his entire career with the Chiefs since the team made him a first-round pick in the 2010 draft. He’s been named a first-team All Pro three times in the last four years and only missed out on election to that team after missing a large portion of the 2014 season following a lymphoma diagnosis.

Signing Berry would leave the franchise tag available for defensive tackle Dontari Poe in the event the Chiefs want to use that option to keep Poe from hitting the open market.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2017, 09:27:47 am
This article seems to point out the status of where the Bears are at. It was very well written.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/situational-success-what-do-the-bears-have-ready-for-next-qb/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 01, 2017, 10:18:49 am
Didn't tell us anything we didn't already know...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2017, 10:22:41 am
Correct, but it makes it clear the dynamics of the problems.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2017, 10:23:45 am
Here is another article

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-nfl-scouting-combine-preview-spt-0301-20170228-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2017, 11:16:27 am
I liked this article, is he worth #3?

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/01/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 01, 2017, 12:27:35 pm
Absolutely.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 01, 2017, 01:16:16 pm



 This is a DEFENSE heavy draft.


 Can HALAS HALL make the most of it ?


 SECONDARY (revised from CB) Gimme Two !


 First of all ... we don't know who the starting QB is going to be ...


 so how Jeffery fit in with JCut may be a non-issue.


 Other WR's stood up ... and they are still on the team.


 As usual ... we are starting over without any plan in place.


 Just take it on the fly as BEARS fans ! We're used to it.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 01, 2017, 01:36:38 pm
40 lbs, ****:

Bears guard Kyle Long was slated to have two surgeries after going on injured reserve last November, but one of those surgeries won’t happen so that Long can concentrate on ankle rehab.

Long went on injured reserve as a result of ligament damage in his right ankle and he’s had surgery to address that injury, but will not have an operation to repair the torn labrum in his left shoulder. Long played through the torn labrum last season and signed an extension with the Bears last September after suffering the injury.

Long’s father Howie told Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune that his son “struggled with medication” related to the ankle surgery and that he has lost 40 pounds since the surgery. Some of that weight loss was prescribed to help with his ankle recovery, but Biggs says that will now be an “extended process” that will require more focus than Long could devote if he was also rehabbing from shoulder surgery.

There’s no word on just how extended that process is going to be and the change in plans suggests that Long will a limited participant at best through the offseason program.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2017, 01:56:58 pm
Jeffery:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-alshon-jeffery-bears-receiver-options-spt-0302-20170301-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 01, 2017, 04:33:18 pm



 Before we sign anyone in F.A. or the Draft ... we need a MAIN thing :


Strength & Conditioning Coach !

 Strength & Conditioning Coach !


Strength & Conditioning Coach !

 Strength & Conditioning Coach !


Strength & Conditioning Coach !


 Strength & Conditioning Coach !


Am I losing any BEARS fans on this post yet ?

Like ... you didn't get it ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 02, 2017, 05:50:42 am
That article on Long...sounds to me as if we need to draft an OG.  He sounds like he will not be ready for this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 02, 2017, 06:12:26 am
Not that he is a long term answer but I believe the Bears have resigned Eric Kush who was serviceable for us last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 02, 2017, 08:25:47 am


 Before we sign anyone in F.A. or the Draft ... we need a MAIN thing :


Strength & Conditioning Coach !

 Strength & Conditioning Coach !


Strength & Conditioning Coach !

 Strength & Conditioning Coach !


Strength & Conditioning Coach !


 Strength & Conditioning Coach !


Am I losing any BEARS fans on this post yet ?

Like ... you didn't get it ?

So are you saying we need 6 strength and conditioning coaches instead of just two???  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 02, 2017, 08:57:01 am
Only if its Rusty Jones
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 02, 2017, 09:13:25 am
That article on Long...sounds to me as if we need to draft an OG.  He sounds like he will not be ready for this season.

They have Kush and Larsen, and Whitehair can play there since we have Grasu
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 02, 2017, 09:31:29 am
Is Larsen signed for this year?  I thought they were going to extend Kush OR Larsen.  And it will be interesting to see who starts at C, Whitehair or Grasu.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 02, 2017, 09:38:47 am
I would be shocked if Whitehair doesn't win the job in training camp. Grasu is at best a backup. Too bad he isn't capable of moving over to OG.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 03, 2017, 01:20:58 am

Larsen is a UFA - he made a lot of mistakes when he was starting the 2nd half of the season.

But he was probably better than Kush - and older.

If there's an injury to Sitton or Long do the Bears consider moving Whitehair to guard and play Grasu at center?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2017, 06:48:25 am
Why all of a sudden are we getting a bunch of love for Grasu?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2017, 08:20:29 am
Grasu was the starting center last training camp until he was injured.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 03, 2017, 08:44:32 am
But we never really saw if Grasu was going to be better than his rookie year.  He is an unknown at this point.  Whitehair did pretty dang good for never having played C.  I am worried about Long getting back, and who knows how much more Sitton has in the tank....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 03, 2017, 09:02:18 am
The Trib is expecting the Bears to target CB Stephon Gilmore and QB Mike Glennon when free agency starts on the 9th.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2017, 09:32:02 am
I don't understand the Glennon love.

He couldn't beat out Josh McKown.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2017, 09:35:47 am
Grasu was the starting center last training camp until he was injured.

True, but he was never good enough and we haven't seen any versatility from him....center only. I just fail to see the love for a bust
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2017, 10:34:25 am
How is he a bust?

He had a promising rookie year (he was supposed to be a developmental player but forced into lineup)

After an off season improving his strength he was looking good in preseason until he got hurt.

If he is healthy no reason to believe he couldn't start at center and have Whitehair replace Long if he's not ready.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2017, 11:19:27 am
He isn't strong enough to start. The defense lines up a bulldozer in front of him and push him back and collapse the pocket. And NO he didn't have a good rookie year. His weaknesses were exposed. Sorry......bust
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2017, 11:34:45 am
I guess we'll see what the coaches/GM plans are for the line.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 03, 2017, 12:32:19 pm
That is what they said he improved in the offseason, his strength.  But we never got a chance to see if it was true.  I guess we will this coming season, unless he gets hurt again.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2017, 01:55:46 pm
Are we saying we want to go back from a good season of Whitehair at center just to enhance the career of Grasu? I believe its time to move on from the mistake.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 03, 2017, 11:09:01 pm

Absolutely no one is talking about starting Grasu over Whitehair....but you.

Yes, Grasu had some issues his rookie year, but that hardly means he's a bust.  Or if Long isn't ready or if Sitton gets banged up are you suggesting we start Kush at guard?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 04, 2017, 06:30:50 am
I don't understand the Glennon love.

He couldn't beat out Josh McKown.

Who was the head coach of the Bucs at that time?

Although I am not sure I am sold on Glennon.  But his TD to interception rate sounds really good.  Had the misfortune of coaching dysfunction, then a team that drafts a QB overall number one who doesn't get injured/

Maybe he's got something...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 04, 2017, 06:34:42 am
I think that is the question.  Is Grasu greater than Kush?  Grasu got pushed around by Dontari Poe in one of his first starts and that was the label after.  He actually got better in that game that we eventually one - hard not to remember the victories, lol.  He was a rookie, and got injured in preseason.  Kind of early to label him a bust at this point...

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 04, 2017, 07:35:34 am
Who was the head coach of the Bucs at that time?

Although I am not sure I am sold on Glennon.  But his TD to interception rate sounds really good.  Had the misfortune of coaching dysfunction, then a team that drafts a QB overall number one who doesn't get injured/

Maybe he's got something...

He was drafted by greg schiano
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2017, 09:55:50 am
Absolutely no one is talking about starting Grasu over Whitehair....but you.

Yes, Grasu had some issues his rookie year, but that hardly means he's a bust.  Or if Long isn't ready or if Sitton gets banged up are you suggesting we start Kush at guard?


"Traditionally" on gameday the OL has 5 starters, and one "interior" backup and one OT backup active. So you are saying that Grasu should be the interior backup when he has no experience at OG? And Kush was re-upped because he can play both center and OG in case of game injury. Grasu is solely a center and it appears he is an undersized center. I will give him credit for increasing his weight before last season. The problem is we don't know how his rehab has gone and how it has affected his strength and ability to defend. Unless it can be shown that Grasu can play OG he isn't going to be active often especially if he gets beaten out by Whitehair for the starters job. IMHO Grasu is like a hood ornament on a car. If someone wants to dream otherwise, let them keep it to themselves, because the truth hurts sometimes and we go through denial when its told. Right now Grasu is no superstar here who lost his job to injury, which seems to be your opinion.

And about Whitehair. Whitehair played OT in college. He has more OLine experience and has shown his versatility by being plugged in at a position he never played when Grasu went down.

If the Oline needs help its at OT to give us a solid swing tackle.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2017, 10:12:24 am
I sure can buy this:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/03/chicago-bears-rumors-stephon-gilmore/

We are going to need a flock of receivers when Jeffery leaves and White goes down again or isnt healthy enough to play.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 04, 2017, 12:04:57 pm
If they were to sign Gilmore, draft Adams or Hooker in the first, QB possibly second, then Zay Jones I would be happy.

Also feed a FA run plugger at RDT
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 04, 2017, 02:08:05 pm



 What about a two year plan to rebuild THE CHICAGO BEARS ?


 This draft is deep heavy in DEFENSE ... why not take advantage of that ?


 Defensive Line & Secondary is there for us .. we don't need LB'rs.


 We drafted a LB first round last year ... remember ?


 With the top of the picks in every round ...


 with a DEFENSE heavy draft ... If GOD grants you that POWER ...


 why would you go anywhere but to STOCK UP ?


 OFFENSE ... is for year two.


 BUILD me a Fanzio DEFENSE in year one ...


 I'll put your ass on the map to build an OFFENSE in year two.


 Because things get easier for the Offense because of the Defense.  :D


 BEARRSSE fans know how this sucka works.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 04, 2017, 04:04:58 pm
Glad they resigned Shaw. 

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-rostermoves/Bears-ink-Connor-Shaw-Patrick-Scales/b02efaf5-a972-411a-b9d1-10346f037d80
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2017, 04:16:13 pm
Great news about Shaw. IMHO they owed him that. At least now we have one QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 05, 2017, 01:51:15 pm



 
Great news about Shaw. IMHO they owed him that. At least now we have one QB.


 One more than Frisco does  ... Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha !



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2017, 02:12:04 pm
http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/04/chicago-bears-franchise-qb-2017-nfl-mock-draft/

At this point, Shaw is on the inside track to being the Bears’ starting quarterback in 2017. With Jay Cutler expected to be traded or released in the near future and the free agent statuses of Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley, Shaw is the only quarterback that is certain to be with the Bears when training camp starts in July.

Shaw signed with the Bears last off-season and impressed the coaching staff during training camp and the pre-season. In fact, there was speculation that Shaw could unseat Hoyer as the Bears’ primary backup quarterback during the 2016 NFL regular season. However, that speculation was halted when Shaw suffered a broken leg during the Bears’ fourth and final pre-season game last Summer.

Early indications are that the Bears are preparing a strong bid for free agent quarterback Mike Glennon. The plan for the Bears appears to be have Glennon be the short-term answer at the quarterback position while they draft a rookie quarterback to develop behind him. Shaw could serve as the immediate backup quarterback Glennon while the drafted rookie quarterback observes everything during his first season.

Shaw’s re-signing also may close the door on a potential return of Hoyer. Re-signing Hoyer is not believed to be a priority for the Bears and there may not be a fit after next week if team signs Glennon.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2017, 02:20:22 pm
It is kind of up in the air.  What happens if we are planning on taking a qb at 3, your pick, and then two of the 3 go 1 and 2, and Myles Garrett is staring at you in disbelief.  Of course you grab him, but then your QB plan is kind of in the crappper.  I really really liked Shaw last preseason and would have loved to see him play in the regular season, which he would have gotten a chance to.  Hoyer, Barkley and Glennon are just place holders until someone is up to speed, ready to play.  If Pace shocks everyone and somehow gets Garapolo, without giving up the 3, we wouldnt need a place holder qb.  I just have a feeling we are going to be in another growing/rebuilding year, and then Fox gets canned and we start all over again. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2017, 02:48:26 pm
Free agency is just under a week away, and rumors are starting to heat up. Many teams are deciding which players they are most interested in signing, the Chicago Bears being one of them. If recent reports are any indication, it appears that they’ll be aiming high in free agency this year.

Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune recently stated in a column that the Bears are reportedly looking at three players in particular: Bills cornerback Stephon Gilmore, Ravens offensive tackle Ricky Wagner and Buccaneers quarterback Mike Glennon. If this is true, then it proves that Chicago is prepared to get aggressive. Let’s break down what signing each target would mean.

AROUND COVER32

2017 NFL Draft: Five first-round sleepers

Daily Dime: League boosts salary cap, NFL considers officiating changes

cover32 Exclusive: Interview with NFL prospect, St. Francis safety, Lorenzo Jerome.

Stephon Gilmore

The biggest name in this group is Stephon Gilmore, who made the Pro Bowl as an alternate this year. He is coming off of a season in which he got five interceptions as a member of the Bills. Considering that the Bears only had eight as a team in 2016, he would be a welcome addition to their secondary. He would also give the Bears a true number-one cornerback for the first time since Charles Tillman left in 2014.

Ricky Wagner

Like Biggs pointed out in his article, adding Ricky Wagner seems a bit strange on the surface. The Bears just signed Bobby Massie to an $18 million deal last year, so adding Wagner would just provide more confusion at the right tackle position. Nevertheless, he would provide more talent to a position lacking in it. Plus, he finished ninth in the league in PFF’s offensive tackle pass-block ratings with 87.8.

Mike Glennon

This move is arguably the most eyebrow-raising one out of these three. Mike Glennon might just be the best backup in the NFL today not named Jimmy Garoppolo. The 27-year-old was a third-round selection in 2013, but has been forced to sit behind Jameis Winston for three years. He has plenty of arm strength, good mechanics and a quick release. The human giraffe hasn’t started a game since 2014. Can the Bears afford to spend $10 million in cap space on that big of a risk? If they do, they better make sure to draft wisely.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2017, 03:32:15 pm
I'm hearing that Glennon is going to be offered like 14-15 Mill to sign. While I don't wish him ill will I hope it isn't the Bears at that price. And there is a 2 day talking period which begins tomorrow. Appears that the overspending is about to begin. If this overspending goes on, I expect Jeffery is a goner. INOW it looks like to get a certain player they want they are going to have to overbid other teams. Good luck with that. Overbidding isn't the Bears modus operandi. Its usually cheap cheap. We shall see said the blind man.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 06, 2017, 04:54:50 pm



 Man if we fuuck this up with a plethora of DB's and we don't clean up on it,


 while chasing some second tier QB in the draft ...


 we DESERVE to suck for another 31 years !!


 Yer not gonna get a DB class like this for years in the future !
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2017, 10:55:04 pm
Looks like the Bears are going to let everybody else get the players because the price is too high. We shall see. Its going to be an interesting day tomorrow.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/is-the-price-right-bears-have-strict-approach-to-free-agency/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 07, 2017, 08:25:43 am
Hang tight and dont overpay.  Belichek never overpays for FAs.  We could try and imitate a lot worse franchises....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2017, 10:53:46 am
This is interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2017-chicago-bears-mock-offseason-130004136.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2017, 11:10:17 am
I have heard this before but I just don't buy it. When the money gets up around Cutler money I would expect Pace to pull the plug. (Cutler at 12.5)

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/07/chicago-bears-free-agency-rumors-mike-glennon/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

         
  Ian Rapoport
✔  ‎@RapSheet 

When the tampering period begins, expect the #Bears to make a major push for FA QB Mike Glennon, and I'm told Chicago is his preferred spot

7:44 AM - 7 Mar 2017
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 07, 2017, 11:21:15 am
So we trade our 2nd and a 4th this year and next year to get into the 20-32 range and pick a S.  God knows we need a S. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 07, 2017, 11:24:21 am
Glennon needs a strong run game... he has no touch on short passes... so he's more of a PA deep ball qb....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2017, 12:04:28 pm
I found this interesting:

Charley Casserly mock with the Bears taking a CB at #3

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/mock-drafts/charley-casserly/335601
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 07, 2017, 12:53:15 pm
I would stay away from Lattimore if I was Pace.  A bunch of hamstring problems, and didnt he have a different medical problem at the combine so he couldnt finish everything?  Pass, take Adams or Trubisky in that case, or even Solomon Thomas.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2017, 03:56:37 pm
I don't know if this is correct or not but it seems that the Bears have moved away from Allen. I hope they find a more needy player. I am not too keen about taking a safety at #3 but a slight dropdown would suit me fine or take Thomas at #3. The combine showed there are plenty of worthy/needy players in this draft especially at TE, and WR. If its a QB that the Bears are after such as Trubisky I would drop down to around 10. He just has too many warts to be drafted at #3.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 07, 2017, 04:23:55 pm
Same here on Lattimore, I would g safety in that scenario.  No QB taken in the first round in Casserly's draft?  I just can't see it...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2017, 06:46:22 pm
GB, Casserly is a former GM, a drafter of premier talent. Its obvious that he doesn't feel that any of the QBS have 1st round grade. And he isn't the only GM who believes that. Just because there are QBs draftable in the 1st round doesn't mean they are necessarily going to be successful franchise QBs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2017, 07:17:46 am
Trubisky is the only qb Casserly had drafted in the first.  Around the middle of the round I think.  But you know someone is going to take one or more before that.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2017, 08:24:34 am
Like at 1 or 2 or 3?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2017, 08:29:59 am
10 to the Bills.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2017, 08:44:12 am
I don't buy this theory:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/08/chicago-bears-rumors-mike-glennon/

I think this is just overjustification for stupidity. And I relly don't see the Bears drafting a QB like at #3 and chances some of the others aren't going to be ready if they draft someone like rounds 2-5. I could actually envision Shaw beating Glennon and a draftee out for the starting job.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2017, 08:49:31 am
Good Grief:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/07/chicago-bears-draft-qb-mike-glennon/

I surely hope somebody wakes up and saves us from taking a QB at #3
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2017, 08:55:37 am
I haven't heard anything to update this rumor:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/07/chicago-bears-rumors-stephon-gilmore-2/

I think this is a good move at the right price. At least it could ease bringing in and starting a rookie at CB, but it wouldn't stop me from drafting CBs in a strong draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 08, 2017, 09:36:45 am
The Score is reporting the Bears are going hard after Gilmore and Cardinals safety Swearingen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2017, 09:52:32 am
I have no idea what Hoyer is asking for but IMHO I would rather have Hoyer back than Glennon for the same money
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2017, 12:25:24 pm
Isnt his one of he guys we were going after?

Rick Wagner heads into free agency as a good bet to land one of the league’s biggest contracts for a right tackle and it looks like the Lions are the team that’s going to give it to him.

Shortly after Alex Marvez of Sporting News reports that the Lions have emerged as a “strong contender” to sign Wagner, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reported that they have agreed in principle on a deal. Rapoport reports the deal will be for more than $9 million per season, which comes in behind Lane Johnson’s deal with the Eagles although that contract is thought to reflect the team’s belief that Johnson will be their left tackle before the contract is up.

Wagner has spent the last four years with the Ravens after being drafted by Baltimore in the fifth round of the 2013 draft. He’s been a starter for the last three of those seasons and graded out very well during the 2016 season.

If the Lions have secured Wagner, Riley Reiff will almost certainly be moving on from Detroit. The 2012 first-round pick is also set for unrestricted free agency and would be in search of a starting role elsewhere with Wagner and Taylor Decker manning the tackle spots in Detroit.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2017, 02:56:48 pm
Word early on Wednesday was that quarterback Brian Hoyer is expected to pick his next team on Thursday, but it looks like his mind is already made up.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Hoyer will sign with the 49ers. The Jets were the other team believed to be pursuing Hoyer in the “legal tampering” window leading up to the Thursday afternoon start of the new league year.

The move will reunite Hoyer with 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan, who was the offensive coordinator for the Browns in 2014 when Hoyer made 13 starts at quarterback. Hoyer will likely be in good position to open the year as the starting quarterback in Santa Clara as well.

With Colin Kaepernick opting out of his deal, the team has no other quarterbacks under contract and are expected to add one during the draft. Hoyer fits the bill as a bridge quarterback who can run the offense until a younger player is ready to take over thanks to his experience in Shanahan’s offense and his spurts of solid play with the Bears and Texans over the last two seasons.

Hoyer’s presence on the 49ers roster would also seem to make it less likely that the 49ers are going to pursue a trade for Kirk Cousins, who has been linked to the team largely because of his own experience with Shanahan.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 08, 2017, 07:37:46 pm



 So it looks like Hoyer is a goner.


 We still have (at this point in time) :


 Shaw


 Barkley


 Fales


 So explain to me why we need Glennon ?


 Unless we just have money to burn.  ???


 Couldn't we find something in the fourth round that would do just as good,


 without the big bucks payout ?


 Glennon was a third round pick ... show us what he did to deserve any paycheck.


 I hope the Buc's resign him ... they are deep in cap space money.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 09, 2017, 03:34:34 am
Sounds like the Glennon deal is happening. Don't like it, think it's absurd. He was a backup to McCown. And it's like for 15mil/season for 3 years. Word is Rodgers is upset with the deal. Glennon hasn't done jack and is getting jack money. But the Bears ARE that stupid and would not surprise me one bit. The only positive I see coming from this is Rodgers getting a reworked deal that causes GB to spew more cap money on him. For us? Nada....stupid....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 09, 2017, 07:14:59 am
Report: Bears, Mike Glennon to sign three-year, $43.5 million deal
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 9, 2017, 7:37 AM EST
 
Getty Images
The Bears and Mike Glennon appear to be on the verge of a deal that will make Glennon the team’s starting quarterback, at a salary that sounds like a lot but is lower than most starting quarterbacks make.
Glennon is expected to get a three-year deal with an annual average of $14.5 million, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports. That puts Glennon’s total deal at $43.5 million, although there’s no word on how much of that is guaranteed and no other details about the structure of the contract.
That’s right in the range of what has been expected for Glennon, and the avearge of $14.5 million puts him at 23rd in the NFL among quarterbacks, below Andy Dalton’s $16 million but well above Robert Griffin III’s $7.5 million.
Glennon is expected to start for the Bears at first, but the team would also likely draft a quarterback. If the Bears use the third overall pick in the draft on a quarterback, that means Glennon will just be a stopgap starter and that the high pick will be the quarterback of the future. But for now, anyway, Glennon is getting paid in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 09, 2017, 08:52:22 am
Jesus, reading that and looking at what he has and hadn't done sent me running to the vomitorium.  Who the hell is running the ship? There are no more "diamonds in the rough" in the nfl. Give me just 10% of that money and I bet I'd
win just as many playoff games as that guy. 0. Heard this morning driving in the Safety the Bear wanted went to ne. Go figure.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 09:18:00 am
Not sure about a safety, but it sounds like CB Stephon Gilmore is going to NE...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 09:33:51 am
More on Glennon:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/09/chicago-bears-mike-glennons-contract-details/

Its said here wait till seeing how much money is guaranteed in Glennon's contract, before getting too upset
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 09, 2017, 09:49:07 am
Sorry, corner not safety.  During morning commute.  As a Bear fan, why not work with what's there ?  Jay will be gone,  Hoyers gone (meh) ,  Conner and draft somebody?
What the hell ? The McCaskeys swim in blah.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 10:42:38 am
so Glennon 2 years 14.5.  Only $19M guaranteed so easy to cut next year in favor of whoever they would draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 10:43:48 am
Sounds like Quintin Demps is a Bear...former safety with Texans
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2017, 10:46:30 am
Yeah but Demps is 32.  Yikes.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 10:49:00 am
46, I wouldn't be unhappy with that because I think Shaw is going to beat out Glennon. I believe the plan is to draft a QB at #3, I hope I am wrong. Maybe Watson is the answer, but 3 is way too high for any QB in this draft. And besides we have too many other pressing needs on the other side of the ball. Not getting Gilmore hurts.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 10:56:45 am
Anybody hear what happened to Bouye  the Houston guy? I know they were after him
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 11:37:18 am
Sounds like Bouye's price has exceeded the Bears max they were willing to pay him...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 12:02:29 pm
I see Sills or Stills the speedy WR resigned with the Fins
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 12:08:22 pm
Looks like all we get is Glennon and Demps which is a small fraction of what we need. RT, CB, remain the biggest needs
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2017, 12:12:59 pm
Odd that Demps got a 3 yr contract.  I doubt he is playing until he is 35....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 12:35:12 pm
Bouye probably to the Jags.  You can't outbid over $100m in cap space.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 12:36:42 pm
Cutler release is official.

Also, Bouye down to Jags, Titans, and Bears...Florida and Tennessee have no state income tax, so how much higher do Bears have to be? Don't hold your breath, in other words...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 12:45:30 pm
With the start of the 2017 league year on the horizon, it appears the Chicago Bears have had their first domino in this year’s free agency drop with Texans safety Quintin Demps.

The Bears are set to sign Demps, who will be 32-years-old next season, to a three-year deal worth $4.5 million per year according to Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle. More terms of contract structure and guaranteed money have not yet come to light.

Demps seemed to show off the pending signing prematurely before any major source reported it by tweeting out his pending arrival to Chicago to sign his contract.

    Chi town what up. @chancetherapper what up. In route. Salute.
    — Quintin Demps (@QDemps) March 9, 2017

Last year, Demps had 55 tackles, six interceptions, nine passes defended, and a forced fumble for the Texans. The veteran was one of the stabilizing forces for Houston’s number one ranked defense in the regular season.

As we near closer to the official start of free agency, Chicago may be attempting to pair a corner such as New England’s Logan Ryan with Demps, after the Bears lost out on Bills cornerback Stephon Gilmore to those same Patriots earlier today.

With Demps in the fold from the development perspective, potentially look for the Bears to pair a highly drafted safety in April’s draft to play next to him in a mentorship role.

Whatever the case, Demps is far from an answer at the position given his age, but is a solid addition to defensive coordinator Vic Fangio’s defense in Chicago nonetheless.

Robert Zeglinski is the Bears beat writer for the Rock River Times and is a staff writer for Windy City Gridiron and Second City Hockey. You can follow him on Twitter @RobertZeglinski.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2017, 01:32:19 pm
Kinda not what we need right now.  Off to a rough start to FA.

If you’re going to hustle up another offer right before free agency starts, now is the time to let everyone know.

According to Josina Anderson of ESPN, Bears wide receiver Alshon Jeffery is leaning toward an offer from the Eagles.

The Eagles have already signed Torrey Smith today, but they needed receivers, plural.

Jeffery said his goal was to get someplace to “win a championship,” and while the Eagles might not be quite there, giving Carson Wentz people to throw to would certainly move them closer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 09, 2017, 01:41:17 pm
Good bye Jay. Wish it would have turned out otherwise. A 32 year old in the secondary. Sure. Ok. A qb that's called the human Giraffe. Why not. Well, at least he has a clear view of who will intercept him. What next?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2017, 01:42:43 pm
The Bears acquired Jay Cutler to beat Green Bay. Here's how he did: 187/433 for 2,961 yards, 16 TD, 23 INT with a 56.7 rating. Chi went 2-12
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2017, 01:47:33 pm
At least we are signing the Dolphins TE Dion Sims.  Sigh.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 02:43:38 pm
How shitty is Chicago if our players would rather go to that shithole Philly?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 02:57:46 pm
Osweiler to the Browns for a 2018 2nd. How many QBs do they have now? 4 or 5? Look for someone to get cut.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 02:59:52 pm
Is Osweiler worth a 2nd in 2018? Probably, but not with that contract.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: CUBluejays on March 09, 2017, 03:04:14 pm
I thought it was Osweiler, 2nd, 6th round pick for a 4th round from the Browns.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 03:29:24 pm
That's the deal...the Browns basically bought a 2nd round pick.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 03:30:42 pm
Rumor is the Browns will dump Osweiler before the season starts...or keep him as a #3 QB...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 03:31:29 pm
The Browns now have 11 picks in both 2017 and 2018.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 03:32:56 pm
Browns cut RG III. Jeffery to the Iggles for 14 mill for only one year. Can you believe that?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 03:33:05 pm
Alshon took a 1 year 14m deal from Philly over a longer deal with Minnesota...he obviously had no intentions of coming back.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 03:33:45 pm
Now how many WRs do the Bears need?

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 03:36:23 pm
Real receivers, not converted QBs or 7th round picks.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 03:37:43 pm
Jeffery better be betting on a 2000 yard season this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 09, 2017, 04:35:05 pm
Ryan Pace has got some explaining to do.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 05:45:43 pm
Just saying to be saying, and if your on a ledge, ya better find something to hold on to, but as things stand this moment I'd say that we are closer to 0-16 than 8-8. And if you are going to compete in the NFL you better be able to catch the ball. I don't see any #1 receivers on this roster and I don't see a great QB to get what we have the ball. All I see is a good RB facing 9 or 10 men in the box.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 09, 2017, 06:41:37 pm
Definitely a bit disappointed so far.  Glennon is not an upgrade to Cutler.  At least not on paper unless they feel he has a lot of upside.  It also sucks missing out on Gilmore this team desperately needs a #1 CB.

They have a ton of cash and not much to show for it so far.

However all is not lost.  They should be able to bring in a ton of 2nd tier free agents and let the them battle it out.  Here is one now:

Bears sign Markus Wheaton
Posted by Zac Jackson on March 9, 2017, 7:27 PM EST
 
AP
Free agent wide receiver Markus Wheaton will sign with the Bears, NFL Network reported Thursday.
The Steelers drafted Wheaton, 26, in the third round in 2013. He had a breakout season in 2014 with 53 receptions, then was a big part again of the Steelers’ offense in 2015 with 44 catches and a career-best five touchdowns.
He was limited to three games by injury last season, and it’s no surprise that he’s moving on from the Steelers for a fresh start. The Bears will likely make multiple additions at the wide receiver position, and they’re hoping the speedy Wheaton can recapture his prior form.
Wheaton has eight career touchdown receptions.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2017, 06:42:15 pm
Bears have signed Markus Wheaton from the Steelers.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 06:48:12 pm
so 3 hours into free agency and all is lost.

I'm disappointed losing Jeffrey but he clearly didn't want to stay.

Glennon does not excite but he's just a one year guy while the draftee gets ready.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 09, 2017, 07:39:39 pm



 What the FUUCK did we just do in signing Glennon @ 14.5 mil  ???


 And N.E. signed Gilmore.  >:(


 Look up Glennon's history on Wikipedia.


 It makes you wonder what kind of video he has with Pace/Fox


 and male/female German Shepard's.  :o


 I WANT THE DRUGS Halas Hall are on !!


 Gotta be some damn good shiit to escape this far from reality.  8)


 Pace @ Fox have blown their load with this F.A. pickup.


 This is an all or bust move ... if it turns out flat ...


 you won't see them around in Chicagoland in 2018.


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 08:13:00 pm
Jackie, how does spending $14.5 out of $62 "blow their load"?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on March 09, 2017, 08:14:03 pm
As a Packer fan I fully support the signing of mike glennon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 08:21:28 pm
As a Packer fan, you should encourage your GM to get off the crossword puzzles and look at some corners.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 09, 2017, 08:23:35 pm
The Bears have plenty of money still to spend.  Let the other teams blow their load and then sign good free agents for a decent price.  The top tier guys are gone but they may very well get some above average players.  It is actually the better move more often then not.  Plus if they are signing younger guys they may still develop.

I just can't get to worked up about it.  I have seen the Bears pay top dollar for the big name guy quite a few times only to be disappointed when they get hurt or suck.     

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2017, 08:41:14 pm
The problem I have is with the Bears brain trust. Traditionally since the Halas days the Bears have picked up small school talent in an attempt to keep the price down, much like the Patriots do. The big guys who go to the major football schools play a tougher schedules and are further developed. Going cheap sometimes leads to poorer talent and a lot of losses. Sometimes you strike it rich and sometimes you fall on your face. I am just afraid this time we fall on our faces.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2017, 08:41:33 pm
Also consider most teams are in dire need of several players.

Bears are not alone.

In the meantime Wheaton is not a bad signing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8cLOyQmKo
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 09, 2017, 09:24:27 pm



 
Jackie, how does spending $14.5 out of $62 "blow their load"?


 It was money spent on a player that was never needed at that price.


 And this is what SUUCKS ...


 Conner Shaw was doing A-OK in pre season last year before he got gimped ,


 why not give him a chance before we unload $14.5 mil on an unproven ?


 LOOK UP : How many times Glennon tossed for 300 + yards in his career ...


 SEE :Wikipedia. Punch up Glennon.


 HOW MANY times did Barkley toss for 300 + yards last season ?


 Compare the two.


 NOW ... you know why after decades of abuse on this board ...


 I am also a Raiduhs fan !


 If you're a BEARSSE fan ...you gotta cover your ass when things go south !


 You gotta have something to root for !  ;D


 All of you should adopt an AFC team as a mascot ...


 it makes losing as a BEARRSSE fan sooooooooooo much easier.  :-*
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 09, 2017, 10:37:14 pm
I would have to say after today have the Bears gotten better and personally I would say no. Losing Jeffery will def hurt. Cutler, unbelievably, is probably better than Glennon and Demps is the one upgrade but that's not saying much with our pathetic secondary. Pretty much anything done there is a upgrade...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 09, 2017, 10:52:07 pm
I agree Sporty.  The Bears have less talent today then they did yesterday.

But this is the first day where big money is spent.  The Bears can and will sign some upgrades.  I have seen the Bears spend big money in free agency and lose.  I will take a wait and see approach. 

My guess is they will bring in quite a few upgrades at good prices.  It won't happen as quickly as fans would like but it will happen.





 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 10, 2017, 07:05:47 am
If Barkley or Hoyer were not feasible options for the Bears, why did Kyle Shanahan, who probably knows a thing or two about developing quarterbacks, bring them both on board?

Upgrading the tackles is a must for a statue like Glennon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 10, 2017, 07:13:22 am
After last years debacle some of us said 'well it can't get any worse'. I think it can and it just might.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 08:33:29 am
Well it was painful to see all of the highly targeted players go other places.  Especially the three CBs, since we really need one.  And Alshon is a ****, good riddance to him.  Now if only Glennon can eliminate the soul crushing turnovers that Cutler had, it might not be so painful.  And Wheaton looked good in 2015, but he was hurt last year.  What is he going to be this coming year???
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 08:50:33 am
Is Wheaton, Alshon Jeffery 2.0? Is he going to have injuries and miss games when we need him? We are so thin at WR. With a new QB you need a flock of WRs for him to be successful.  And we don't need Mickey and a bunch of rookie UDFAs or we will see 9-10 in the box every down. That's not the way to win games in this league.

Oh I don't see White being successful either. I see a lot of Alshonitis with him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 09:05:00 am
Wheaton only played 3 games last year. 

I thought this was funny:

PFTknowit says:
Mar 9, 2017 7:05 PM
Cutler outlasted 3 coaches and 3 GMs…. I’m surprised he didn’t kill Virginia McCaskey as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 10, 2017, 10:03:53 am
That was unspeakably cruel. Funny, but cruel none the less.  Virginia is a bot, didn't you know? Run by steam.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 10, 2017, 10:09:36 am
Wheaton is a faster younger Royal with the injury history and limited track record.

White should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Alshon.  If he didn't want to be here whatever.  The Vikings did offer a multi year deal and I think it was dumb for him to turn down the security for more cash.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 10:26:08 am
White should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Alshon.[/








White should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Alshon.

Why not? Both have missed games due to injury, although White's have been more serious and season ending. To me the difference isnt that great.









Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 11:01:02 am
At least we got a prince:

Cornerback Prince Amukamara is on the move again.

Amukamara signed a one-year deal with the Jaguars around this time last year, but the arrival of his former Giants coach Tom Coughlin to run football operations in Jacksonville wasn’t enough to keep him from hitting the open market. Amukamara’s stay on the market wasn’t a long one.

According to multiple reports, he is headed to Chicago on a one-year deal with the Bears. Financial details haven’t been revealed at this point.

Amukamara played 14 games for the Jags in 2016 and made 12 starts. He had 49 tackles and six passes defensed.

The Bears have also signed safety Quintin Demps in free agency as they work to build up a secondary that would also benefit from a healthy return from Kyle Fuller after the corner missed all of last season with a knee injury.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 12:33:20 pm
Yep, it’s time for Aaron Rodgers to get a new contract. Whether he’ll admit it or not. (Or whether he’ll admit it then try to act like he didn’t admit it when someone notices that he admitted it.)

Per a source with knowledge of the deal, the contract signed by new Bears quarterback Mike Glennon is worth $45 million over three years.

Glennon will receive a $3 million signing bonus, a $5 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the 2017 league year, and a fully-guaranteed salary of $8 million in 2017. He also has a $2.5 million fully-guaranteed roster bonus, which is due on the third day of the 2018 league year.

That’s a full guarantee at signing of $18.5 million.

The deal includes a non-guaranteed base salary of $12.5 million in 2018, a $2 million roster bonus due on May 15, 2019, and a non-guaranteed base salary of $12 million in 2019.

The Bears can get out of the contract after one year, at $18.5 million. Or they can make it a two-year deal at $31 million.

Either way, the bottom of the quarterback market is squeezing the top of the market, and the guy who used to be at the top of the market should want a new contract, even if he claims he doesn’t. After claiming he did.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2017, 01:10:42 pm
It's obvious.   The quality free agents are avoiding Chicago.  So we get over the hill safeties, injured wideouts and blocking tight ends.

We need starting CBs, a 3-4 DE (Hicks is a FA next year and Washington just left), 3-4 OLB depth, a true FS, a QB, swing OT, and now a #1 WR.

Do we give Glennon a year to prove himself?  Or take a shot at one of the QBs early?

Pace is trying to fill holes now so he can draft best player available but we need a corner or two soon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 10, 2017, 01:47:29 pm
Draft more Oline and dline... and tank this year...

I'd still really LOVE to see them trade down and stock up picks... like the browns did last year... as the off-season moves along and we  get closer to the draft atleast one or 2 QB prospects will get a lot of helium.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 02:01:40 pm
There is a method to that madness, build the trenches.  Look what the Cowboys did with their OL, how many first rounders are there? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 10, 2017, 02:08:06 pm
Usually takes a year or two for those big guys to really do well... so its a good way to improve without the win loss record getting a lot better.

I'd be super happy with an extra 2nd rounder this year and spending the 1st and both 2s on the OL and DL.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 02:12:52 pm
And we can suck this year, get a high draft pick next year and focus on the remaining skill positions.  It would be hard to stomach/watch but might not be bad in the long run.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 02:13:38 pm
hodous says:
Mar 10, 2017 1:59 PM
Completely convinced now, they are pulling a “Suck for Sam Darnold” year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2017, 02:59:45 pm
We'd have to out-jet the Jets for him, and he isn't without flaws, either...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 03:54:33 pm
At least we got a prince:

Well that isn't saying much either. He just never had a solid career. About the best that can be said for him is he is still alive. Probably a backup at best. Another with Alshonitis.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2017, 06:08:51 pm
You all know that I would have done whatever it takes to retain Jeffery.  But now that he's gone is there any chance we get a nice comp pick next year?  Or does recent signing of the these B grade free agents prevent that from happening?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 07:54:17 pm
At least we got a prince:

Well that isn't saying much either. He just never had a solid career. About the best that can be said for him is he is still alive. Probably a backup at best. Another with Alshonitis.

And the sorry thing is they are saying he is the best CB we have right now.  Sigh.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 08:06:20 pm
Alshon is even a bigger douche than I thought:

The bizarre game of whack-a-scoop that a growing number of “NFL insiders” play often results in the truth getting in the way of scoring one more point in a game about which precious few actually care. Case in point: The contract signed Thursday by new Eagles receiver Alshon Jeffery.

Leaked by the player, the agent, or both to multiple outlets as a one-year deal worth $14 million, it’s not. It’s worth $9.5 million, with $4.5 million in incentives that will be fully reached only if Jeffery makes it to the Pro Bowl — something he has done only once in his year, four years ago.

The reason for the #fakenews is simple. Jeffery and/or agent end up creating the impression that he got the best receiver deal in free agency, even though he didn’t. For Jeffery, who made franchise-tag money a year ago, it avoids the blow to the ego that comes from taking a pay cut. For the agent, it’s a contract that can be used to recruit other clients.

For the reporters who took the information and ran with it, well, that’s just the cost of doing business in #scooptown. Because sometimes the challenge of getting the real news includes deliberately or unwittingly peddling in fake news, too.

 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 10, 2017, 08:40:10 pm
Better and better. Bennett to GB, and when you think about it, Jeffery took a pay cut of up front money to leave. Most excellent. Are the Bears to be the new Browns? This Pace guy to me hasn't exactly set the world on fire.  3-13 last year, and they could, God help me get worse.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 10:05:46 pm
Well its looking like we go more of the same Alshon types. Injured. looks like staying healthy is going to be a huge problem. JJ to the rescue?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 10, 2017, 10:10:03 pm
Rusty Jones to the rescue, where ever he may be.......
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 10:15:58 pm
Well Pace has to find somebody. I think it has a lot to do with the union rules limiting this and that.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 11:14:36 pm
Is this real help?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-tom-compton-20170310-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 11:30:54 pm
Here is an interesting piece:

Especially at the bottom about White

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-just-fine-with-alshon-jeffery-signing-eagles-one-year-deal/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 11:33:07 pm
So 3-13 didn't scare the new signees? Might have the ones targeted that went for more gold:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-free-agent-signings-werent-scared-off-by-3-13-season/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2017, 11:40:44 pm
With all the kisses Jeffery blew to Chicago and the one year deal with the Iggles he signed, I might be crazy but the Bears might be in line to get Alshon back next year. It doesn't appear all the bridges were burned. There is an old saying, "The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence." Well sometimes it isn't necessarily so. If Alshon grows up in 2017 he might wish he hadn't left Chicago. Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 10, 2017, 11:51:40 pm
We're just going to have to build this ground up from the draft. That's how good teams do it. That means alot of draft picks. But it can also mean getting that one solid impact player that turns a game. Do we see one of those in this draft at our spot? We might do well grabbing him if so. Otherwise we gotta get picks. I really hate watching this team continually flounder and flop like a dying fish. And my patience with them is sorely SORELY being tested. Really I'm out of patience as I've watched little of this mess the last couple seasons. As it gets worse and worse, I get less and less interested and just really, sick of it. So more and more years of rebuilding and I've just about reached the end of my patience with the Bears. And I guess football, really. They've ripped the love of the game right out of me with their year after year horrid play....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 11, 2017, 12:37:39 am
If Pace can sign Compton and CB Marcus Cooper he'll have checked off a couple more boxes on he Bears' shopping list.  Pace's general FA strategy is to sign FA's coming out of their rookie contracts.

Demps is an exception going on 32.  He might buy us another year in finding a true FS.  He did have 6 picks with the Texans last season.

I initially read that Sims was more of a blocking TE but looking at his highlight reel he looks like he could be more than that.   TE position now has depth, experience and youth.

If Markus Wheaton has recovered from his shoulder injury he looks to be a solid #2 #3 receiver.  Bears look like they have some depth now with the FA Randle, Cameron Meridith, Kevin White, Eddie Royal, Braverman and Bellamy.   Still need that guy that defenses have to game plan (but he's in Philly now).  I wouldn't be surprised if they draft another WR in the first 3 or 4 rounds.

I'd like to add another 3-4 DE with the loss of Washington.  Right now we got Hicks and Unrein.  Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton are coming off injuries and they got last year's #3 pick Jonathon Bullard who was somewhat of a disappointment.

And then there's Glennon.  The key to the season and the biggest question mark of them all.




Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 11, 2017, 07:20:03 am
 All I'll say about this free agency period is.......thank God for alcohol. No hope is sight. If Pace has any chance of turning this garbage scow around is by trading down for a number of early draft picks. Hopefully with Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2017, 08:18:43 am
Well trading down with Cleveland should net us one of the top QBs at #12. I am liking Ross at #12 too. We need a #1 WR. I have no faith in White being serviceable this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 11, 2017, 09:03:33 am
Why would Cle want to trade up?  They already have 11 picks.  Unless they want to trade #3 to the Pats for Garapolo.  I agree we totally need an impact player, whoever that might be.  My top 3 choices at 3 are Garrett (duh), Trubisky and Allen.  How long has it been since we had an impact S, Mike Brown anyone?  And I heard on some pod cast that they were saying Pace really really likes Watson at 3.  The kid is a winner, but he just scares me in the RGIII mold. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 11, 2017, 12:25:32 pm
 I really like Watson, He's bigger than rg3 isn't he ? Snag him and run with it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 11, 2017, 12:37:34 pm
I thought Watson was 6'2" but thin.  And he likes to scramble and run, the combo the killed RGIII career. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 11, 2017, 02:42:22 pm
 Alright,Osweiller staying in Cleveland is iffy as they are offering him up for a 3rd rounder. The Browns take Garrett with #1 and with #3 from us they could land Trubisky,who they supposedly covet. We acquire Clevelands #12 and their first picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

  I'm souring on Allen and his arthritic shoulder with our #3,so why not trade back a bit? At #12 I'd be happy to land either Mahomes(QB),OJ Howard(TE),Hooker(S)or Adams(S).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2017, 05:06:42 pm
Joki, what about Ross at #12? Adams will be gone by 12 as well as H00ker. We are going to need a #1 receiver. I'd use some of these lower picks and somehow move back up for Mahomes who might be gone before the 2nd round begins.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2017, 05:53:32 pm
Interesting analysis:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/analyzing-every-bears-free-agent-move/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 11, 2017, 06:13:18 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-rostermoves/Bears-ink-DB-Cooper-to-3-year-deal/5040ca9b-4055-4895-884e-5c837f203061

m ore signings
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 11, 2017, 07:30:41 pm
Bears add Kendall Wright to receiving corps
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 11, 2017, 7:39 PM EST
 
Getty Images
Mike Glennon has a new target.
The Bears have agreed to terms with wide receiver Kendall Wright, adding the veteran to the new-look offense that will be led by Glennon. Adam Caplan of ESPN reports that Wright will sign a one-year deal worth up to $4 million.
Wright has played his entire five-year career for the Titans. Last season was the worst of his career, with just 29 catches for 416 yards, but he has shown promise at times: In his breakout second season in 2013, he had 94 catches for 1,079 yards.
Chicago would love to see Wright have something close to that 2013 level of production. The Bears’ offense needs all the help it can get, and their free agency priority has been acquiring that help.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2017, 07:38:07 pm
Approved!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 11, 2017, 07:50:01 pm
Acually, those last two to me show promise.  The db is only 27, solid, and Kendall can get separation.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2017, 08:07:36 pm
I dont want to be Nancy naysayer here, but my problem with all these WRs I am seeing the Bears acquiring is that none are #1's. And I dont want to hear somebody say well White is a #1, because he hasnt shown it and he cant show us he can be a #1.  I will give Pace an A for effort.  #1's are hard to come by. He needs to draft one.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2017, 08:13:48 pm
Kendall Wright could be a #1.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2017, 08:19:23 pm
So you are prepared to g@mble on that?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 11, 2017, 09:17:00 pm
Do we have a choice? Lol.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 11, 2017, 09:22:20 pm
I see their plan now in free agency.  Grab guys who are young coming out of their first contract that have showed promise.  Maybe they blossom into a stud maybe they don't.  Either way we get a solid player.

Only go sign the old guys when you have a desperate need and the younger players were to expensive.  All the time making sure to fill the holes enough that you are not required to reach in the draft.

Solid plan.  If Pace can actually pick the correct players.





Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2017, 10:07:58 pm
The Wright signing makes WR a little less of a need. There is good WR depth in the middle rounds.

If we're not able to trade down, I hope we are in position to take BPA in the 1st round, rather than reaching for a QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2017, 10:13:19 pm
Do we have a choice? Lol.....

Depends. I think we should draft one high. Like with White that's a g@mble too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 12, 2017, 07:21:39 am
What were the top 3 QBs in free agency before last year?  I ask, I honestly don't know.  I have heard that Boyea (spelling off) from the Texans had a breakout year.  What about the Buffalo corner Gilmore or the New England corner - names are escaping me.  My point being, how many of these players are cashing in on a good season, and how many have had strong consistent careers and hit free agency?

Signing a Darrel Revis in his prime is a good decision.  Strong production over multiple seasons.  Us signing Julius Peppers, good decision.  How many times have we seen players flash in one season with a bunch of picks or receptions because of circumstance or the players and team around them. 

This wasn't a bumper crop of great young talent in my opinion so I think the hand wringing is about not much.  We need to build this team through the draft and add pieces and we need to hope that Pace can stack another draft like the one he had last year.  We need two more of those to be in the conversation again and add that piece. 

P.S.  The signing of Bennett by the Packers does sicken me.  Good signing.  Cook is a tool, I was hoping he would last a bit longer up there...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 12, 2017, 07:22:29 am
Has Kaepernick been getting any play?  lol, nice way to kill your career, idiot...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2017, 07:52:27 am
It would be kind of funny if the Puckers won the SB this year, and Bennett got back to back SB rings.  Well not really, just kind of ironic.  And with Peppers leaving to go back home, that would be less bitter to take. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 12, 2017, 12:30:38 pm
Why do I get the feeling that the Bears curse at QB will continue..

One of Cutlers biggest problems was his inability to work the pocket. Houdini he was not. This whole mess is/was not Cutlers fault entirely, but he sure didn't do much to help his cause..

Not a big Lovie fan, but this team has done nothing (but get worse) since Lovie and Angelo have left...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2017, 01:33:35 pm

Somebody once said you can never have enough corner backs - we have a lot of them now:

xx    Amukamara, Prince   CB   6-0   202   27   6   Nebraska
35   Banks, Johnthan   CB   6-2   185   27   4   Mississippi State
20   Bausby, De'Vante   CB   6-2   190   24   1   Pittsburg State
37   Callahan, Bryce   CB   5-10   191   25   2   Rice
23   Fuller, Kyle           CB   6-0   190   25   3   Virginia Tech
39   Glenn, Jacoby           CB   6-0   185   23   2   Central Florida
32   Hall, Deiondre'           CB   6-2   201   22   R   Northern Iowa
22   LeBlanc, Cre'Von   CB   5-11   190   22   R   Florida Atlantic
27   McManis, Sherrick   CB   6-1   192   29   7   Northwestern
21   Porter, Tracy           CB   5-11   200   30   9   Indiana
xx    Cooper, Marcus   DB   6-2   192   27   4   Rutgers

If the season started tomorrow Cooper would probably be the starter with Amukamara battling with Fuller for the other spot.  Deiondra Hall has kind of been the forgotten corner.  Callahan and LeBlanc are your 2 nickel guys.  Lots of competition for the other CB spots.

Does this preclude the Bears from going for a playmaking CB early? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 12, 2017, 02:39:52 pm
I think Deiondre Hall would make a pretty good FS if he's not a starter at CB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2017, 02:57:19 pm

Our safety depth:

xx    Demps, Quintin              DB   5-11   210   31   9   UTEP
38   Amos, Adrian                       S           6-0   214   23   2   Penn State
26   Bush, Deon                       S           6-0   200   23   R   Miami (Fla.)
36   Houston-Carson, DeAndre  S           6-1   203   23   R   William & Mary
29   Jones-Quartey, Harold          S          5-11   210   23   2   Findlay

 Right now I'd pencil in Demps and Amos.

Could a FS be the pick in the first or second rounds?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 12, 2017, 03:06:21 pm
If the season started tomorrow Cooper would probably be the starter with Amukamara battling with Fuller for the other spot.

Dallas I think they feel Porter is one of the starters if healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2017, 04:47:48 pm

I think if the first 3 show anything Porter is a goner.  Now maybe he wasn't 100% last year and he did make more plays than anyone in the secondary but he repeatedly got burned.  And he's got to be one of the worst tacklers on the team.

Time to get faster and younger.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 12, 2017, 05:02:34 pm
I am pretty sure the plan is for a competition and the best players get the job.  With the Bears it is usually last man standing gets the job due to the outrageous amounts of injuries.

Porter was battling injury all year last year.  If he isn't healthy this year though you are probably correct.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 12, 2017, 07:08:48 pm
I've not been impressed with ANY of our corners and they all are replaceable, and evidently that's what they're shooting for with all the acquisitions. Hopefully they'll pick a S and possibly a corner in this draft. It has been talent starved for quite some time now. So far Cooper seems the best pickup. Do we now go with BPA??
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 12, 2017, 07:09:21 pm
Did Peppers leave GB??? 'went back home'???
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 13, 2017, 06:07:07 am
Looks like he went back to Carolina..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2017, 04:42:11 pm



 Dal,


 How do you squish in 16 DB's on a 53 man roster ?


 That leaves 37 other roster spots open for the rest of the team.


 The fact that 16 are needed ... shows that none of them are needed.


 IMPACT DB's in the draft ?


 Gimme two !
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2017, 12:05:54 am

Somebody once said if you have 16 corners you don't have any corners.

With Prince Amukamara and Kyle Fuller only signed for one year don't be surprised if we have at least 17 after the draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2017, 07:07:13 am
That's some whacky tobacky there
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 14, 2017, 12:31:23 pm
46 lunchtime report right here Bear fans! #1 trending on yahoo ? Bears!  Something in that lib-cesspit I can actually read about without more than a mediocum of distrust.  Topic ? CBS sports  gives the Bear a big
"C" on free agency! F ucking Swell! Climbing to average!  Moving to usa today, an aritcle about the injury concerns of the new signings!  What ? F ucking what? I read the damn thing, with the exception of the Giraffe,
ALL are crunched up one way or another.  This is simply past dumb.  How many already on the roster are a mess?  And they get more?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2017, 12:43:14 pm
Interesting?

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/13/14905050/2017-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency-saints-browns-titans?yptr=yahoo
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 14, 2017, 12:45:15 pm
We can't build a competitive team through FA.  All we have done with the exception of Glennon is added competition and depth.  We need to stack drafts.  Now you have Akubarra, Cooper, Fuller, and Porter fighting for the 2 CB spots - not too mention anyone that we draft.  Experts are saying there is value at the CB position through 4 rounds this year.

Seriously, how would you rate the FA class as a whole?  All of them.  There were a handful of players that were coveted, but none of them were perennial pro bowlers.  Larry Brown, Alvin Harper 2017 versions or pros ready to break out?  Flip a coin.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2017, 12:52:38 pm
Chase Daniels to the Bears?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nick-foles-surprisingly-returns-to-eagles-which-could-signal-a-chase-daniel-move-133353956.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 15, 2017, 05:22:20 pm



 IF we are thru with F.A. signings ... IF ...


 we should advance to THE DRAFT.


 That's the last thing that is going to make us look respectable.


 WE NEED A DEDICATED LONG SNAPPER WITH THE #3 PICK IN THE FIRST !


 That's how we rebuild a TEAM !


 Don't laff ... that's how Halas Hall thinks also ...


 going where nothing is ... ignoring where everything is .  :D


 Donte Hightower just resigned with who ?


 We are one of 31 teams that doesn't have a clue.  ;D


 At least we are in good company.  :-[
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2017, 12:19:53 pm
Guy weighs 360.

The Bears added some size up front, giving a shot to a guy who could help their run defense.

According to a tweet from his agent, veteran defensive tackle John Jenkins has agreed to terms with the Bears.

Jenkins, a former third-round pick of the Saints, spent last year with the Seahawks. He played nine games there.

Jenkins battled weight issues when he was in New Orleans, but could be a valuable member of a rotation in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 17, 2017, 03:33:56 pm



 Boogie,


 Lil' Fridge or camp fodder ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2017, 05:58:21 pm
JJ I cant say, while it could be a backup to Goldman who was injured a lot last year, he could play DE opposite Hicks where we had a big hole. Maybe the Bears know more than we do. I think we need to wait and see the results of training camp.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2017, 06:40:40 pm
Jenkins is a 2 down run stopping DT.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2017, 08:08:35 pm
According to Saints Fans, they thought he was soft.  Just saying, I have no clue.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2017, 09:19:45 pm
That's the word on him...the term used most often is "teddy bear".
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2017, 09:58:27 pm
I also read tub of goo, but teddy bear sounds better.  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2017, 07:48:01 am
Our D was pretty strong when we had Washington and ...Traylor? in the middle, two huge behemoths that were hard to move and run against. Would be nice to return to some of that with a strong NT, but this guy? Who knows, we'll see. I do like size in the middle, though.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 18, 2017, 12:44:31 pm



 
JJ I cant say, while it could be a backup to Goldman who was injured a lot last year, he could play DE opposite Hicks where we had a big hole. Maybe the Bears know more than we do. I think we need to wait and see the results of training camp.


 Wsh,


 How the hell do you move 360 lbs. at DE ? ?


 Once again our own posts cut to the chase ...


 injured


 injured injured


 injured injured injured


 that's the problem.


 Nobody show's up to play.  >:(


 We pay them BOO-KOO BUCKS to be CHICAGO BEARS ...


 they take the money and retire on the field.  >:(


 Oh ! I'm injured ! Cart my ass off to my once in a lifetime paycheck !


 My agent and I are headed to Hawaii !


 This is what Belichick sniffs thru that Halas Hall can't.


 Belichick want's FOOTBALL PLAYERS !


 We do too but in a weird convoluted way ...  ???



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2017, 01:04:12 pm
How would you move a 360# pillow?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 18, 2017, 01:19:03 pm
Why would you have to move a 360 pounder when they can't move?Just stand him up and run around him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 18, 2017, 01:46:48 pm



 Yeah, the idea was to move a 360 lb. dude as an edge rusher ...  ;D


 A week after the game was over he would still be rushing !  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2017, 08:27:50 pm
Here ya go JJ. All the answers to your questions:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/defining-expectations-for-the-bears-2017-free-agent-signees/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2017, 02:47:10 pm



 Wsh,


 I don't buy into that and neither do you.


 Lets punch up the draft and see just how smart Halas Hall is for the future.


 It would be a first in terms of Halas Hall smarts.


 This from a team that needs DEFENSE with 12 WR's & 6 TE's on the books so far.


 WTF ?


 I hope it's occurring to Halas Hall that ONE IMPACT DB drafted ...


 is worth 5 DB deadbeats already on the roster.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2017, 03:43:47 pm
JJ, I am sorry about it that you dont believe that Suntimes post. Its pretty much reality. They are eliminating this and that so that when they draft they will have a team. Its expected to be a defensive draft. Lets be honest, so what do we absolutely need that we dont already have? A solid 3/4 DE, a safety, CB depth, a TE for the future, a QB for the future, a speed receiver, a FG kicker, and we never have enough pass rushers. One problem I see with their philosophy is they seem to be counting on White which is a mistake.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2017, 05:13:44 pm
Interesting? At least we are attempting to field a team:
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 21, 2017, 04:23:07 pm



 
Interesting? At least we are attempting to field a team:


 Wsh,


 Go to the strengths the Draft has plenty of : DB's & RB's.


 DB's we flat out need ... so we better stock up for the decade.


 RB's we don't need as much ... but if something comes our way,


 we'd be foolish to pass in later rounds if something slips our way.


 I wonder if Vegas has set the odds when Mixon gets drafted ?


 As far as QB's go ... they are the cream that the media hypes,


 despite being of a class that every scout has as being prospects,


 it's always that way ... hype the "leader" of the team ... the QB.


 As far as your analysis of the draft goes ... I'll buy into it.


 Being that the first three off the boards are who you project.


 At #4 I'd go with the RB talent this Draft has to offer.


 #5 take a QB to satiate the fans that insist we need one.


 We signed a kicker.


 That leaves #6 and #7 open.


 Remember what 2018 has to offer at Offense.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 22, 2017, 07:48:20 am
Not the Dirty Sanchez:

While the Chicago Bears have found their starting quarterback for this fall in Mike Glennon, they are still searching for options to serve as potential backups.

According to Mike Garafolo of the NFL Network, the Bears are scheduled to host veteran free agent quarterback Mark Sanchez for a visit on Thursday.

The Bears threw 559 passes with five different players and four different quarterbacks last season. Not a single one of the four quarterbacks remains on the team’s roster. Jay Cutler and David Fales remain free agents while Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley have both moved on to the San Francisco 49ers.

Connor Shaw is the only quarterback outside of Glennon currently on the Bears’ roster.

Sanchez appeared in two games last year for the Dallas Cowboys as the de facto backup to Dak Prescott after Tony Romo was injured in the preseason. Sanchez completed 10 of 18 passes for 93 yards with two interceptions.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 22, 2017, 07:48:43 am
The Bears have added some veteran depth to their backfield.

Benny Cunningham, who played the last four years with the Rams, has signed in Chicago.

Cunningham has 171 carries for 748 yards and 93 catches for 752 yards in his four-year NFL career. In Chicago he joins a backfield that consists of starter Jordan Howard, who had an outstanding rookie season in 2016, and backups Jeremy Langford and Ka’Deem Carey. As a fifth-year player, Cunningham is the most experienced of that bunch.

The Bears may also use Cunningham on kickoff returns, where he has a 27.1-yard career average.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 22, 2017, 09:15:35 am
Quote
  Sanchez completed 10 of 18 passes for 93 yards with two interceptions.

He'll fit right in! Sign him up!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on March 22, 2017, 09:26:55 am
No butt-fumbles?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 22, 2017, 09:27:58 am
yup will fit right in Cutler's shoes
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 22, 2017, 10:12:54 am
Oh dear God. Oh dear God. What are they THINKING? Kapernick next ? Saw where Jerry Krause died. Didn't care for him one way or the other, but he was there during the Bull/Jordan run. A rare time for
Chicago sports to dominate in anything.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on March 22, 2017, 10:54:18 am
Johnny Football is available
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 22, 2017, 06:12:00 pm



 Wow ... alotta QB starters from last year are still gimped.


 E J Manuel QB drafted #16 in the first by Buffalo in 2013 ...


 has signed with Da Raiduhs for 800 K.


 First dopey move by the new Raiduhs organization but still ... cheap signing !


 Josh McCown wandered over to JETS. I heard for 770K ...


 but now am hearing for 6 Mil.  ???


 Saw where Jamal Adams is ranked the #1 player in the Draft ready to START in the NFL.


 With our second pick how about Adoree Jackson as triple threat ?


 OR ...


 Mixon !!


 With Howard that would be one hell of a loaded backfield ...


 spelling relief for any QB starting for DAA BEARRSSE.






 


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2017, 10:01:19 pm
Bears sign Mark Sanchez.

Geez...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2017, 10:47:53 pm
My burning question is does this mean the Bears pass on drafting a QB? We already have 3 under contract now but nobody other than Shaw do I think could be a long term QB of the future but maybe a stopgap to next years draft where there may be better quality.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 24, 2017, 12:10:12 am

I think we all like Shaw but it's not like he's going to be just handed the backup QB job without some competition.

I'd like to see the guaranteed money Sanchez is getting.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 24, 2017, 04:08:42 am
After the draft, there will be mini camp, several voluntary camps, and then training camp.  Sanchez is a camp arm with an opportunity to compete.  Bears will likely draft a QB in the first 4 rounds - your guess is as good as mine when.  This will likely come down to Sanchez versus Shaw for a roster spot.  God help us if he plays a real snap for the Bears.

The intrigue will be interesting over the next 4 weeks.  I said early on that at least 1 QB would be drafted in the first two picks, and that is in jeopardy, but watch the next 4 weeks.  I also said my best case scenario would be to sign Tyrod Taylor and draft Kizer.  So far I was half wrong...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2017, 08:21:58 am
The intrigue will be interesting over the next 4 weeks.

I agree, it will be interesting. But nobody really answered my burning question. I believe it pushes QB down the ladder for sure. I think that kind of identifies who the Bears brain trust actually would feel comfortable with and that's Peterman and he can likely be had in the 4th round where we have 2 picks. Like if they felt that a QB they like had a 2nd round grade (name your player) and he was gone they wouldn't be upset. They would just move on to the next on their list. INOW they will only look for value with the pick and not overdraft because of need. IMHO I doubt the Bears grade this current QB class very high. Now maybe they do their homework via pro days and bringing in players for workouts in their evaluations. But with 3 QBs under contract there is no panic to take a QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 24, 2017, 08:22:21 am
I'm getting that 70's craptastic vibe from this team that I knew when I was growing up. A bunch of "who the hell is that on the field ?" and "why the hell is that on the field ?" guys.

Barring a major miracle this team feels like those bottom feeding Bears I grew up and somehow fell in love with. I must be a masochist......

We can call this season John Faux's last coaching stand if Pace doesn't a HOF draft or their legacy will be one of utter failure......

Please McCaskets- JST (Just Sell the Team) and uncurse this damn franchise please ! But we know that will never happen....

Every dog will have its day. Unfortunately this one's been shot and run down in the middle of the street.....

BTW Espn is running a documentary on Bears fans from last year. Starts next month. That should be worth a watch at least.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2017, 09:03:26 am
This post kind of amplifies my previous post. I cant necessarily agree with this post. I still question the Sanchez move but one thing I did get out of this post is that the Bears are doing their due diligence, probably more than I expected. And it could have been put in the draft section as well:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/03/24/chicago-bears-2017-draft-deshaun-watson/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

I will say this.... if the Bears do draft a QB high Shaw's days are numbered.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 24, 2017, 10:11:12 am
If Shaw plays the way he did before he got hurt last year I see Sanchez as the guy whose days are numbered.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 24, 2017, 01:53:55 pm
Sanchez.  Mark Sanchez is a Chicago Bear.  Sanchez.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 24, 2017, 02:25:06 pm
And he is guaranteed $1 million.  Maybe Shaw is the odd man out.  They say Dirty Sanchez did help Dak Prescott, maybe that is the thinking.  Who knows.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 24, 2017, 02:42:37 pm
Hmmm...$1M guaranteed?

Maybe the Bears will go for Solomon/Adams and nab the QB in round 4.

If Pace gets any QB early he'd have to spin his comments about having all this confidence in Glennon.

I do like that the Bears signed Deonte Thompson.  Wondering if they've bailed on Marquise Wilson.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2017, 05:09:18 pm
Maybe the Bears will go for Solomon/Adams and nab the QB in round 4.

Thats what the Fan Sided draft I posted suggested, Peterman in the 4th. That almost made me vomit but it sounded so Bearish it seemed real. I still would expect some sort of draft shenagans by the 9ers.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 24, 2017, 05:37:14 pm
 ;D

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Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2017, 06:04:07 pm
I would rather us not draft a QB at all than waste a pick in a strong draft on a QB who is not a difference maker.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2017, 06:15:32 pm
Thats my feeling. If all you get is Peterman then its better not to draft a QB at all.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 24, 2017, 09:13:22 pm

You can't complain about not having a young QB in the pipeline if you don't at least draft one once in a while.   The Bears have the opportunity to draft the best one this year or possibly draft one in the 3rd or 4th round.  Not saying waste a 6th rounder on a camp arm like Fales (2014).  But go after a big college big arm'ed QB - I mean have you guys really looked at Nathan Peterman?

He had 47 TDs and 14 interceptions his junior and senior years combined at Pitt.  Last year he tossed 5 TDs against the NCAA champion Clemson team...and no picks.  In fact, he threw 7 interceptions last year and never more than 1 in any game.  You'd like to see a higher completion percentage (60%), but this guy has potential.

Yeah, he has warts...every draftable QB has 'em.  But I'd be very OK with the Bears taking him in round 4...maybe earlier with a trade down.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2017, 09:21:02 pm
You can't complain about not having a young QB in the pipeline if you don't at least draft one once in a while.

If we hadnt drafted so badly maybe we would have had picks to use on a QB. Now its desperation time in a bad draft.
Title: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2017, 09:32:11 pm
Connor Shaw had 41 TDs and 8 INTs his junior and senior years in the SEC. His senior year, he threw 24 TDs and 1 pick.

His final collegiate game, in a NYD bowl game against Wisconsin, he was 22-25 for 312 yards and 3 TDs. He also ran for 47 yards and a TD, and caught a 9 yard TD pass as well.

Apropos of nothing...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 24, 2017, 09:36:35 pm
Interesting.  With stats like that, how come nobody ever heard of him? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 24, 2017, 09:48:08 pm

Shaw is 6 foot tall...and has questionable arm strength.   Supposedly played in a gimmicky dink/dunk offense....had a 7th round grade.

Peterman is ranked by nfl.com as the #4 QB in the draft...other sites have him going in round 3 or 4.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 24, 2017, 10:09:50 pm
Well he was the best qb we had last year, right up until he broke his leg.  But that isnt saying too much.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 25, 2017, 10:36:10 am
I didn't see Shaw in pre season last year.  Did he play against any first string defenses or later in games.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 25, 2017, 01:19:53 pm
I am pretty sure it was 2nd and 3rd stringers. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 25, 2017, 05:33:23 pm
Connor Shaw had 41 TDs and 8 INTs his junior and senior years in the SEC. His senior year, he threw 24 TDs and 1 pick.

His final collegiate game, in a NYD bowl game against Wisconsin, he was 22-25 for 312 yards and 3 TDs. He also ran for 47 yards and a TD, and caught a 9 yard TD pass as well.

Apropos of nothing...

Shaw is under-rated. He doesnt make a lot of mistakes... sometimes we fall more in love with the big armed QBs, often its the ones that limit  mistakes that are more successful.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 25, 2017, 05:35:00 pm
I still think someone will trade up to 3 if Watson is available. teams are going to want to jump ahead of the jets.

Only problem is that the jags/titans dont need a QB and both are also probably trying to trade down.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 25, 2017, 07:40:15 pm
How are you guys so convinced by Shaw after one mediocre NFL start with the Browns.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2017, 08:30:44 pm
It's not that we are convinced by Shaw as much as we think Shaw has about as much of a chance of being a top QB as the draft options.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 25, 2017, 08:58:08 pm
I dont even know that.  The only thing I give Shaw is that he played hands down better than Cutler AND Hoyer in the preseason.  By a big margin. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 25, 2017, 09:21:54 pm
He did but it was against inferior competition and Barkley played lights out for three games then went to ****.  So we have no starter quality QB.

I have zero faith in Glennon or the rest. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 26, 2017, 06:16:53 pm
 
 Let's do this :


 1. Jamal Adams S. Flat out starter.


 2. Adoree Jackson CB/KR/Slot WR... OR... Joe Mixon RB. Flat out starter's.


 3. Defensive Line. BPA that fits Fangio's scheme. Starter ?


 4. Davis Webb QB to fill the need that a need needs to be filled. Future starter.


 Fill in the blanks after that.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2017, 06:55:04 pm
I am not agreeing  on Jackson or Mixon. I will agree on Webb.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 26, 2017, 07:15:51 pm
Jackson is a big play machine but I'm concerned that he doesn't have and NFL body, pretty wiry.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 26, 2017, 07:19:42 pm



 WHO drafted IMPACT players in what decade and how did those teams turn out ?


 The early 1990's Cowboys come to mind as one.


 They didn't draft anybody to park on a bench for future development.


 They just went out there and won SUPERBOWLS with IMPACT players.


 Is Halas Hall smart enough to draft players that win multiple SUPERBOWLS ...


 in a row ?


 By drafting only IMPACT players ? That start DAY ONE ?


 That the idea that a developmental player will be obsolete ...


 as the NFL moves past where he was drafted last year ?


 And is already useless ... because the game moves that fast ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on March 26, 2017, 08:00:26 pm
"Is Halas Hall smart enough to draft players that win multiple SUPERBOWLS ...in a row ?"


Jackie, I think we all know the answer is "no"
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 26, 2017, 08:36:58 pm



 
"Is Halas Hall smart enough to draft players that win multiple SUPERBOWLS ...in a row ?"


Jackie, I think we all know the answer is "no"


 Stelz we know that from the past.


 The future on the other hand is shining looking forward.


 Just because.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on March 27, 2017, 07:58:51 am
Dumass

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/62588/Bears--Hall--Packers--Dorleant-arrested-in-Iowa/Default.aspx

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 27, 2017, 08:02:18 am
He got tazed.  lol

Two former college teammates who play for rival NFL teams reportedly were arrested together early Sunday morning following an incident at a bar in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

Bears cornerback Deiondre’ Hall was cited under suspicion of interference, disorderly conduct and public intoxication; Packers cornerback Makinton Dorleant was booked for alleged interference, according to KWWL, an NBC affiliate in Eastern Iowa.

Dorleant’s agent declined comment. Hall’s was unavailable to speak by phone, he said.

Both players entered the NFL in 2016 from Northern Iowa.

Hall, 22, was a fourth-round pick who finished with seven tackles, an interception and three passes defensed in eight games. Dorleant, 24, played four games for Green Bay as an undrafted rookie. He made one tackle while predominantly seeing time on special teams.

Hall was shocked with a Taser during the incident, which centered at Sharky’s Fun House, an 18-and-up establishment.

Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times cited a police report when detailing that Hall allegedly “refused to answer questions, yelled at officers, tried to escape and spat in their faces. … Hall resisted as he was being placed in handcuffs, according to the report, and refused to get in the backseat of the squad car.”
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 27, 2017, 10:32:45 am
Sharky's Fun House doesn't sound too fun...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 27, 2017, 10:43:02 am
Sounds like a place to avoid
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 28, 2017, 05:20:11 pm



 Not if you're into being tazed ...  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 28, 2017, 08:39:29 pm
Pay attention to this JJ:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-ryan-pace-on-mark-sanchez-deiondre-hall-colin-kaepernick/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2017, 08:05:02 am
This was interesting:

Pace said he tried to trade for Glennon the last two years before signing him to a three-year, $45 million deal this month.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2017, 08:20:30 am
Yes I saw it. And what happens if he stinks? Does that change the meaning? I think of greater relevance is they are thinking of changing Fuller and Hall to Safety. So are they saying we don't need safetys in the draft, ie, one less position to fill? That would be a bigger thing to get out of that article.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2017, 09:09:43 am
They have been kicking around converting a CB to S since Peanut Tillman.  Have we ever done one successfully? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2017, 09:30:10 am
Not that I can recollect.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 29, 2017, 10:42:46 am
Don't read too much into pre draft smoke.

Besides Pace said Fuller is strictly a corner now, it's the writer who then says they are considering a switch without citing sources.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2017, 11:37:59 am
Don't read too much into pre draft smoke.

My experience with smoke is that where there is smoke there is also fire. So I take things cautiously. But that said there is a lot of misinformation put out this time of the year to confuse other teams.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 29, 2017, 11:50:07 am
 Right now Amos and Demps are the starting safeties.  Amos has no ball skills.  Pace is building his best ldepth chart lineup in the defensive backfield without any dependency on the draft.

Could mean he is not going Adams and leaning toward Soloman or even better ...Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2017, 04:40:43 pm
Could mean he is not going Adams and leaning toward Soloman or even better ...Trubisky.

Or Jesus Christ for a QB. He'd be "perfect"

I doubt Trubisky is any better than the rest of the QBs in this draft. I am skeptical about all of them.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 30, 2017, 12:04:53 am

Let's fast forward to next year.   Glennon and an improved Bears defense knock out double the wins and finish the season at 6-10.  The Bears are drafting 10th in the 2018 draft.

Do you think the QB available at  let's say 10 will be any better?

Here's the NFL grades for some recent QBs drafted in the top 3 along with Watson:

Jameis Winston  6.52
Marcus Mariota   6.38
Carson Wentz     6.23
Jarred Goff          6.51
DeShaun Watson 6.27

And:
Mitchel Trubisky 6.54

Or do you just keep waiting for a Peyton Manning to fall into your lap? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 30, 2017, 09:13:14 am
Good grief! According to the NFL this draft class is mediocre at best. Its buyer beware. One of the problems is the college system that's used.  Basically what you are saying is that we have to take a QB at 3 because we wont be in this position again. That's correct in the point you make but it still doesn't address the quality issue. What if the Bears don't like any of the QBs in this draft class? And it takes a certain team to feel this or that QB is what they want (fall in love with a certain QB figuring that said player is their QB of the future). Also they have to value the potential is going to make their team better. And the Bears can draft a pro bowl safety at #3 or they can draft a QB who is going to sit on the bench like Garoppolo for 5 years. That's a tough choice to have to make and one that takes a lot of decisionmaking. Also I don't believe the Bears at #3 will be the first to take a QB, meaning that the field is going to be picked over. So whichever QB the Bears were to draft at #3 isn't going to be of any immediate help unlike Dak Prescott, whereas if you drafted a position other than QB you get an instant starter that makes your team instantly better. "IF" say SF doesn't take a QB at #2, I would feel better with taking a QB at #3, but whichever QB is taken at #3 wont be of immediate help to us in 2017. That I don't like.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 30, 2017, 09:26:59 am
Some Mocks I have seen have the 9ers taking Solomon Thomas at 2, which would leave us our pick of qb.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 30, 2017, 10:08:40 am
Here's where I fall on the QBs.  I actually am relieved that Garappolo is off the table.  We need someone that is durable.  There are the exceptions like Brady, Brees, and Rodgers that aren't built like tanks and manage to stay healthy.  In their cases, they are able to see the field, process quickly, and get rid of the ball.  Cutler was bigger than all of them, but inevitably got hurt each season.  After awhile it goes from bad luck to he is too slow to get rid of the ball.  It is the rare few that can process that quickly.

The QBs that keep playing most weeks are the Winstons, Newtons, Rothlieberger's etc.  I know they have missed their share of games, but they play most of the games.  I want a QB that can take the hit and get up.  Maybe it was bad luck for Garappolo, but sure enough he gets injured in his 3rd game.

Of the top 3 QBs, Kizer has the build.  Not sure if any of them have the computer to get rid of the ball.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 30, 2017, 04:40:37 pm
Kizer may have the body, but he doesn't have the brain. I think its because he cant read defenses, that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 30, 2017, 05:39:41 pm
Thats the knock on Kizer.  We just got rid of a qb who had a cannon but not enough between the ears, lets not get another one....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 30, 2017, 05:51:15 pm
Its my personal belief that that's who SF takes at #2.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 30, 2017, 08:08:01 pm



 In following BEARRSSE tradition ... who we draft in the first ... must fit a priority...


 a complete fuucked up head case ... Curtis Enis/Cedric Benson.


 A player OL (I fergot who) or WR (White)who does not play the first year.

Or a LB that is injured and not a 16 game starter.

It's the only way we can stay safe in mediocrity.

Building a TEAM with an IMPACT player with the #3 pick, could cause us to go to a SUPERBOWL!

We don't want that because other teams may pay attention to us, and take us seriously ... we don't want that,

because what if we went to the SUPERBOWL and LOST ??

As fans I don't think we could handle that.

It's better to stay safe in the realm of almost being there ... but not.

CHICAGO BEARS in the effort of somewhat trying ... but not tooo much.

OR DO YOU THINK I'M FULL OF SHIIT ??


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 30, 2017, 10:19:02 pm
Are you a certified depression sufferer?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 30, 2017, 10:51:24 pm



 Don't answer a question with a quekstion ...


 get to the point !


 Do you think I'm full of shiit with my above post ?


 Are DAA BEARRSSE chumps or Champions ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 30, 2017, 11:10:55 pm
According to the NFL this draft class is mediocre at best. Its buyer beware.

Really?  QB drafts are the ultimate crapshoot.  Is this QB class any worse than first round QBs taken recently:  Wentz/Goff/Lynch in '16, Winston/Mariota in '15, Bortles/Manzel/Bridgewater in '14, EJ Manuel in '13, Luck/Griffin/Tannehill/Weedein in '12?

I dunno but I think 3 or 4 could go in '17.  But like any draft we won't know for quite a while.

Basically what you are saying is that we have to take a QB at 3 because we wont be in this position again. That's correct in the point you make but it still doesn't address the quality issue. What if the Bears don't like any of the QBs in this draft class? And it takes a certain team to feel this or that QB is what they want (fall in love with a certain QB figuring that said player is their QB of the future). Also they have to value the potential is going to make their team better.

We may not be in the position where we can quite possibly have the entire draft of QBs available at our pick.  Puts more pressure on your scouting staff and GM to make the pick when you have a lot of options.  Obviously, if the Bears don't like any of the QBs at their pick then they aren't going to pick them.  I have no idea what they are going to do, just my opinion based on who we currently have on the roster and my view of Trubisky's skill set.

And the Bears can draft a pro bowl safety at #3 or they can draft a QB who is going to sit on the bench like Garoppolo for 5 years. That's a tough choice to have to make and one that takes a lot of decisionmaking.

Adams might be a pro bowler but its not guaranteed.  He certainly doesn't address our biggest need at safety which is ball hawk.  He's more of a LOS enforcer guy.  Might be a very good player but his grade is not that much higher than Trubisky.  And do you think Glennon/Sanchez are going to be the starting QB in Chicago for more than 1 year if we draft a QB in round 1?  Why did Pace sign both to basically one year deals with no commitment after that?

Also I don't believe the Bears at #3 will be the first to take a QB, meaning that the field is going to be picked over. So whichever QB the Bears were to draft at #3 isn't going to be of any immediate help unlike Dak Prescott, whereas if you drafted a position other than QB you get an instant starter that makes your team instantly better. "IF" say SF doesn't take a QB at #2, I would feel better with taking a QB at #3, but whichever QB is taken at #3 wont be of immediate help to us in 2017. That I don't like.

I have no idea who SF will take.  But Solomon grades higher than both Adams and Trubisky.  Immediate help?  How the hell do you know Glennon won't tear an ACL or just have an awful season.  You know  injury is how Prescott got into the game.  The Cowboys thought so much of him that they drafted him in the 4th round and he was their 3rd stringer until #1 and #2 had season enders.

And you don't draft anybody for immediate help - sure its great if he starts day 1, but a good draft pick will have multiple years of success and hopefully most of it isn't just the first year.

Personally, I think Pace is going to take Adams unless Solomon is available.  If Pace is not going QB then trade down and take Hooker - assuming he's cleared medically.  He's the playmaker that Adams is not.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 30, 2017, 11:22:00 pm



 Personally, I think Pace is going to take Adams unless Solomon is available.  If Pace is not going QB then trade down and take **** - assuming he's cleared medically.  He's the playmaker that Adams is not.



 How come the board deleted the word Malik ?


 BWA _HA _HA _HA _HA _HA !!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2017, 08:28:14 am
I would trade down if possible but not down past 6. But I do like that tradedown idea that I posted with the Panthers to 8 and getting 2 2nds and using them to trade back up into the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 31, 2017, 08:29:40 am
Its my personal belief that that's who SF takes at #2.

You think SF takes Kizer at 2?  I kind of dont see that in a million years.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 31, 2017, 02:02:35 pm
Bears cut Ego Ferguson....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2017, 02:18:08 pm
I am sorry they cut him. I would have rather trade him. He is a 4/3 DT and not suited for 3/4.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 31, 2017, 02:33:09 pm



 That clears up cap space to take someone in the fifth round to replace him.


 Which is all he was ever worth.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 31, 2017, 02:39:28 pm


 That clears up cap space to take someone in the fifth round to replace him.


 Which is all he was ever worth.

Too bad we used a second on him.  Doh.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2017, 02:58:03 pm
Different regime
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 31, 2017, 04:28:55 pm



 
Different regime


 True dat.


 At what point in time do we stop with being a backwater port,


 and rise to our destiny ?


 Whens the last time we drafted at #3 ?


 DID WE EVER DRAFT AT #3?


 "Yeah JJ like in 19 motherfuukin 27 !


 Really ?


 "No I'm just making that up."


 Bitchen.


 Our CHICAGO BEARS deserve better then what they have been getting,


 from the Halas Hall braintrust ... before they relocate ...


 to Shreveport Louisiana.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 31, 2017, 11:22:33 pm

I always thought Ferguson might have some potential as a 3-4 DE.  He had a 3rd or 4th round grade and was over drafted in middle of round 2, but he could have provided depth if he could have stayed off IR.

Add 3-4 DE to the shopping list (like it wasn't on the list already).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2017, 08:21:20 am
But the best 3/4 DE in the draft has had 3 shoulder surgeries and arthritis already.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2017, 11:16:37 am
And somehow it doesn't seem to affect his play one bit...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2017, 11:18:06 am
Or we could trade down a time or two and get Malik McDowell later in Round 1...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2017, 12:22:38 pm
Seems like an underdeveloped DeForest Buckner who I loved.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/malik-mcdowell?id=2557970

I like the idea.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 02, 2017, 09:41:59 pm
McDowell is suppose to have major motivational issues.  He is not a self starter.  Loaded with athletic ability, probably will be a bust.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 04, 2017, 08:31:30 am
The Bears waived 2014 second-round pick Ego Ferguson last week and Ferguson may have a couple of chances to show the team they made a mistake during the 2017 season.

Field Yates of ESPN.com reports that Ferguson has been claimed off of waivers by the Packers and will have an opportunity to make the team as a defensive lineman over the next few months.

Ferguson’s three years with the Bears were marred by injuries as he missed all of last season with a shoulder injury and 12 games of the 2015 season with a knee injury. The team also shifted defenses from a 4-3 when Ferguson was drafted to a 3-4 under coordinator Vic Fangio and the limited time on the field couldn’t have helped his chances of showing he was worth keeping around for a fourth season.

The Packers also play a 3-4 base defense and Ferguson will compete for a spot in the rotation with the likes of Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Ricky Jean Francois and Dean Lowry with Letroy Guion set to serve a four-game suspension to open next season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2017, 10:24:18 am
The Bears waived 2014 second-round pick Ego Ferguson last week and Ferguson may have a couple of chances to show the team they made a mistake during the 2017 season.

I really doubt it. I think his biggest problem will be to stay healthy. I was surprised the Pack even checked him out, let alone sign him. Maybe the Peppers experiment warped the Packers mind.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 04, 2017, 02:13:50 pm
I have no idea why he was cut if he was healthy.

It's not like we have a lot of depth at 3-4 DE. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2017, 03:28:57 pm
I don't believe a 4/3 DT is depth in a 3/4.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 05, 2017, 09:22:59 am
Hopefully this helps him:

Bears outside linebacker Pernell McPhee is hoping to be much healthier this year.

But beyond staying on the field, he’s at least going to look better.

Via John Mullin of CSNChicago.com, McPhee has dropped 25 pounds since last offseason.

“I feel great,” he said. “I’m sexier, it’s a blessing and I can’t wait till the season starts.”

McPhee said there wasn’t any great secret to his weight loss, either.

“Don’t eat after 7 o’clock at night,” he said. “Just pound yourself with water. That’s the only way I did it. . . .

“It was really important. Usually when I’d get out of bed, it’d take me about a good second to start walking, but I can get up and run right now. So it’s a blessing coming from where I was to now.”

He’s been plagued by knee and shoulder injuries since joining the Bears in two years ago, but he came back to play well when he did play last year, and they’re hoping the improved conditioning can keep him on it longer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 05, 2017, 12:35:45 pm
Wishful

Yes, Ferguson was decent depth at DE.  You must not be familiar with our current depth chart at the position.  Now maybe the Bears felt his injury history was too much to retain him or they knew he wasn't fully recovered from the shoulder but if healthy he provided decent depth.

Can the Bears do better than Ferguson?  Sure, but it might require burning up one of our upcoming draft picks.

A very good possibility considering Hicks is a FA next year as well as John Jenkins.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2017, 12:58:01 pm
So what you are saying but not saying is our Dline is in transition. So despite Allen's arthritic shoulders we might take a g@mble because if Hicks leaves next season that our line is not solid?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 05, 2017, 03:01:37 pm
Although we will need 3-4 DEs I am not advocating drafting Allen or even drafting one of the first round.

But we might draft one like we did last year as early as round 3.  It's not necessarily a playmaker position like 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE but we could be in trouble in 2018.

The draft isn't always for addressing immediate needs.  It just so happens most of the Bears needs are.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 05, 2017, 05:02:51 pm
Wonder if we can get Chris Wormley in the 3rd round? He'd fit at 3-4 DE...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on April 06, 2017, 09:15:05 am
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/62767/Packers-release-Ferguson-after-failed-physical/Default.aspx

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 06, 2017, 09:58:58 am
That makes me feel better.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 06, 2017, 11:38:07 am
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-rostermoves/Bears-ink-BW-Webb-to-one-year-deal/d76e15cd-6467-4217-af7d-01d494f48890

another corner?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 07, 2017, 11:07:34 am
All your corner are belong to us ! :D

But seriously it feels like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic to me....

I just don't have faith in this coaching staff to develop much less put these guys in a position to win unfortunately.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 07, 2017, 06:02:30 pm



 None of us are stupid. We know exactly what we need.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 07, 2017, 06:08:52 pm
Yup JJ give me two
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 08, 2017, 12:21:20 am
Quote
All your corner are belong to us !

LOL! They set up us the bomb! I'm a video gamer from way back although I never played this particular game.


https://youtu.be/jQE66WA2s-A

And a strange one involving Hitler of all people...lol

https://youtu.be/UVx3XNHCmN8
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 10, 2017, 10:29:48 am
The Bears have parted ways with a veteran member of their secondary.

The team announced Monday that they have released cornerback Tracy Porter. The move clears $3.6 million in cap room.

Porter spent the last two seasons with the Bears and started 28 times over that span. He had 48 tackles, two interceptions and a forced fumble while playing in all 16 games for Chicago last season.

Porter came into the league as a second-round pick of the Saints in 2008. He spent four years with the Saints and then spent a year each with the Broncos, Raiders and Redskins before landing with the Bears.

The Bear added Prince Amukamara, Marcus Cooper and B.W. Webb as free agents this offseason and could have Kyle Fuller back in the lineup at corner after he missed all of last season following knee surgery.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2017, 10:46:10 am
I think that makes CB a higher priority. That and Fuller might be that closer to the door too. I cant say its Latimore but the Bears do need a CB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 10, 2017, 11:02:32 am
This draft is absolutely loaded with quality CBs. Some scouts have as many as 16-17 prospects graded out in the first 3 rounds.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 10, 2017, 11:09:55 am
My guess is either Porter's knee didn't heal or he requested a release since he likely would not start.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2017, 01:18:28 pm
I am happy there are that many good ones in the draft, but my problem is instead of needing only one, we now need two. That will cost us one more pick and push  CB up the ladder of needs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 10, 2017, 10:14:49 pm

Not in the least surprised at Porter's cut.

Bears are not going to pay a guy who counts $3.45M against the cap who is now 5th on the depth chart at cornerback. 

Bears got to believe Fuller is good to go to compete against Amukamara since they are also moving Hall to safety.  I know Porter was a gamer and all and played through injury but he was consistently beat and he was probably the worst tackling DB I've ever seen next to Deion Sanders.

Bears will draft a cornerback maybe 2 but it doesn't have to be in round 1.  It's a young man's game and corner back is a younger man's position.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2017, 10:39:22 pm
IMHO for what its worth is that Fuller's job is in serious jeopardy. Here is a guy when they needed him he sat out the season last year and showed no heart. And this is the last year of his contract. He better not give the team any reason to cut him by not showing up for minicamps. And I am sure if there are an abundance of CBs in the draft there will likely be some UDFAs too. So despite not drafting 2 CBs they still may pick somebody to come in and compete for a roster spot, somebody who has a heart to play. And if Fuller does decide to play this year he better bring his "A" game, because he is a marked man.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 10, 2017, 11:00:55 pm

Have you ever had a knee injury? 

He played in 32 games his first 2 years and now he has no heart all of a sudden? 

But I agree he better bring his A game cuz he's a FA at the end of 2017.  And at 25 he could get a nice long term deal with a solid season.

Bears could easily draft a CB in the first 3 rounds since Amukamora and FUller could both be gone next season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 11, 2017, 08:34:58 am
I would rather see the Bears trade Fuller and at least get some draft pick, even a late rounder, than just cut him. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 11, 2017, 09:44:08 am
It would be a mistake to cut ties with Fuller unless he said he still has rhe knee problem.

He was playing well end of 2015 and he's too young to give up on unless he's hurt.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2017, 11:19:11 am
Fuller has little or no trade value coming off an injury in a contract year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2017, 11:50:40 am
Fuller has little or no trade value is correct just as Porter had and what happened to him? The same could be in store for Fuller too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2017, 11:56:46 am
Speaking of Fuller:

http://dawindycity.com/2017/04/11/chicago-bears-tracy-porters-release-impacts-cornerback-position/

I think we are going to draft at least one CB and maybe 2. I think the determining factor is whether the Bears address the Safety position first or not. We need both safetys and 2 CBs.

It looks like we are going to be very green in the defensive backfield.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2017, 01:43:45 pm
Maybe - maybe not.

Bears have the free agents this year to line up a decent defensive backfield without any dependency on a rookie.
I think the biggest talent need is safety cuz Demps, who is an upgrade, will be 32 before the season starts.  You never know with those 30+ DBs.

We have plenty of safety depth with Amos, Jones-quartey, Prosinski, and the unproven but young Bush, Houston-Carson, and now Deiondre Hall.

Bottom line I think both spots could use an upgrade this year but definitely next year. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2017, 01:46:28 pm
Fuller will be a free agent so he technically can't be cut like Porter was.

I think he knows he has to have a great year to get that big contract which may explain him not wanting to play if he didn't think he was healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2017, 02:06:24 pm
Fuller will be a free agent so he technically can't be cut like Porter was.

If that's the case, then I expect one of the rookie or young guns on the roster to beat Fuller out as the starter by midway through the season if Fuller isn't playing so well. Fuller might be traded for an undisclosed draft pick come the trade deadline or "2 bits" or an Obama 3 dollar bill.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2017, 04:39:26 pm
 Or the Bears might offer him a contract if he looks like he's into form.

Could go either way.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2017, 07:37:06 pm
Could be. He better bring his A game for that to happen. I am just not sold that is what will happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2017, 07:47:00 pm
And I havent heard or seen published any report quite that optimistic. Thats the most optimistic I have heard.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2017, 08:03:57 pm
I don't know that there are any reports out now - maybe when they start OTAs in May.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2017, 08:39:28 pm
We'll see when they put the pads on and not before.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2017, 10:14:20 pm

He's a cornerback - 90% of his game is running, jumping and cutting.  If he can do that pain free over a week of OTAs the Bears would be encouraged.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 12, 2017, 07:52:29 am
Just guessing, but I think you would be more "encouraged" than the Bears unless they have trade on their agenda.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 12, 2017, 12:08:58 pm
I've been paying too much attention to college basketball and the start of baseball. So I see we signed Sanchez, well I don't know about the rest of you, I sure feel better. Who's the supposed starter? Yeah, I can't remember his name either. Once again, we have the schmucks of the schmucks, and the pack still has Rodgers.. I think management wants to make certain we miss Cutler..

This is Pace's 3rd season, this is his team. The whole dung pile has inspired me to no end.. Of course, I could be wrong.. or...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 13, 2017, 05:45:34 am



 You don't EVEN fuuck around with #3 picks at the top of every round !


 You build this TEAM with top flight quality !


 If Halas Hall fuucks this up ... they are the next Cleveland.


 Minus Lebron.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 13, 2017, 11:08:08 am
Yeah and the "Mistake by the lake" wont be Erie it'll be Michigan.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 21, 2017, 09:34:19 am
Predicting 7-9 year:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704071-chicago-bears-schedule-2017-18-game-by-game-predictions-for-the-entire-season
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 21, 2017, 09:37:27 pm



 Unless we do right in the draft ... 2-14.


 We beat Frisco and Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 21, 2017, 09:39:27 pm
Oooh and get the second pick in next years draft.  Sweet.  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 21, 2017, 09:49:49 pm



 If we can deprove to 0-16 we get pick #1.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 21, 2017, 09:56:06 pm
With our luck there would be no clear cut number one pick.  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 21, 2017, 10:10:14 pm



 
With our luck there would be no clear cut number one pick.  lol


 Excellent ! Take two in the first round !
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 25, 2017, 09:15:23 am
Current roster breakdown:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699219-nfl1000-chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2017, 01:26:32 pm
Excellent ! Take two in the first round !

Better yet why not 3 or 4. ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on April 27, 2017, 08:55:41 am
With the Bears luck they will go 0-16 and lose coin flips to TWO teams and still draft 3rd in another weak draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 30, 2017, 05:33:39 pm



 
With the Bears luck they will go 0-16 and lose coin flips to TWO teams and still draft 3rd in another weak draft.


 WML,


 20'000 no shows at Soldiers in the last game played there last season.


 Give the fans a team or they walk with their feet.


 Enuff is enough.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 01, 2017, 12:06:39 am
JJ, this draft and FA did nothing to really help this team out of it's spiral IMO. Trubisky isn't going to come in and magically turn this around, nor will the project picks they chose. They got a bunch of has beens in FA, which we've seen in recent years has done not one thing to help this club. We're in serious trouble.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 02, 2017, 11:30:57 am
The Bears have reportedly added another veteran offensive lineman to the roster.

They signed interior lineman Taylor Boggs on Monday and Josh Weinfuss of ESPN.com reports that they have also signed tackle Bradley Sowell to a one-year contract.

Sowell spent last season with the Seahawks and opened the year as their starting left tackle. He was replaced after getting hurt in the sixth game of the year and then returned to start three games at right tackle later in the season. He also started 12 games at left tackle for the Cardinals in 2013.

He didn’t earn high marks for his performance with either NFC West club, which likely means he’ll be vying for a swing tackle role for the Bears this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2017, 12:12:54 pm
Well they certainly didn't get that in the draft
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 02, 2017, 01:00:19 pm
Not a strong draft for tackles...guards, yes, but not tackles...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2017, 01:13:15 pm
I found this very interesting. Following the draft I had so many questions. The personnel both offensive and defensively didn't fit. Too many holes. This article made things a lot clearer when you read down to the bottom:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-gm-ryan-pace-defends-mitch-trubisky-draft-pick/

I hope Howard is healthy. If so that will solidify the DLine:



Howard visits Bears

The Bears didn’t draft a defensive end, but they might end up getting a starter after all.

Former Chiefs defensive lineman Jaye Howard visited Monday, a source confirmed. One year removed from being a hot free agent, Howard, 28, would be an intriguing option alongside Eddie Goldman and Akiem Hicks.

The 6-3, 301-pounder played in eight games last year, starting five, before finishing the season on injured reserve with a hip-flexor injury. The Chiefs cut him April 22.


And this:

This and that

The Bears waived cornerbacks Jacoby Glenn, who started three games and had an interception in 2016, and De’Vante Bausby, who  played four games.

They also cut running backs Bralon Addison and David Cobb, wide receiver Dres Anderson and tight end Justin Perillo.

◆ Center/guard Taylor Boggs signed with the Bears.

He played for them from 2013 to ’14 before leaving for Detroit, where he played for new Bears offensive line coach Jeremiah Washburn.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2017, 01:17:22 pm
The guy they got in the 5th Morgan ? was a left tackle for quite a while in college.
Everyone says he'll play guard.

But he's got very long arms - longer than the long armed Leno.

They are both about the same size st 6-3 300  -  which is not prototype size for LT except for their arm length.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2017, 01:19:41 pm
We need bodies at DE - I don't know that much about Howard but if he has a pulse - sign him!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 02, 2017, 01:39:59 pm



 
We need bodies at DE - I don't know that much about Howard but if he has a pulse - sign him!


 Luckily we passed on Solomon Thomas.


 Better to pass on futures and sign retreads.


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2017, 02:06:57 pm
Oh but you were just fine with the Tampa Bay retread QB they signed?

You think building a roster is like arranging your Topps trading cards.  Every NFL team is going to have journeyman retreads in their lineup.

You just want to minimize them by drafting well.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 02, 2017, 02:14:19 pm
They had also signed Jenkins, but don't know if he's a Goldman backup or RT.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2017, 02:32:14 pm
He's 359 lbs - I'm thinking NT.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 02, 2017, 02:54:42 pm
This is sort of good news, although that is a lot of weight to put on that fast without working out a bunch.  Lets hope is isnt a fat slob this year:

Long improving

Guard Kyle Long has gained 45 pounds in less than three months as he continues to rehab from surgery on his right ankle and a bad reaction to medication.

Long tweeted that he’s up to 310 pounds from 265 in mid-February and wants to settle in around 325. He’s far away from on-field work, though, and has just begun running on an underwater treadmill.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2017, 07:31:31 pm
I predict with the Boggs signing, there is a strong possibility Grasu doesn't make the team, because Boggs can play both guard and center and Grasu cant.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2017, 08:36:25 am
It looks like the Bears found a swing tackle or maybe a replacement eventually for Leno.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-add-ot-depth-sign-former-seahawks-starter-bradley-sowell/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2017, 10:24:49 am
Looks like the Bears may have found some UDFA help. They need all the help they can get.

That kicker and receiver sound good,

http://beargoggleson.com/2017/05/03/chicago-bears-top-3-undrafted-free-agents-keep-track/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2017, 03:23:13 pm
I wouldn't put too much into these busted up FA signings.

As for Grasu, yeah he is only a center but he was the starter in 2015 and projected to start going into 2016.

But Pace does like his guards to be able to play center (Kush and Ted Larsen last year), so maybe you are right.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2017, 03:28:00 pm
I know many expect Royal and Houston to get cut, but when those guys are healthy they can ball.

The guy I'll be watching in the offseason that could take houstons spot is Roy Robertson-Harris.  I think the Bears red shirted him last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 03, 2017, 03:40:24 pm
Free-agent defensive lineman Jaye Howard went to Chicago to visit the Bears. He has now left Chicago without joining the Bears.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Howard passed his physical and received an offer from the Bears. However, he decided to take other visits for now, while still keeping the door open on possibly signing in Chicago.

The fact that Howard passed a physical is significant because the Chiefs released him with the “failed physical” designation. Which further confirms that there’s no magic to the outcome of a physical administered by one team’s doctors.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 04, 2017, 01:32:36 am
The good players sign elsewhere, if they're smart....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2017, 08:23:07 am
Bring Howard back. If he's healthy, sign him. He has the size you want for a 3/4 DE:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/free-agent-dl-jaye-howard-leaves-bears-complex-without-a-deal/

If Long loves him, he may be what the doctor ordered. His health scares me but not on a one year deal.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 04, 2017, 08:21:59 pm
Jaye Howard joins the Bears
Posted by Mike Florio on May 4, 2017, 7:34 PM EDT
 
Defensive lineman Jaye Howard recently left Chicago with a plan to pursue other opportunities. He quickly decided that his best opportunity was with the Bears.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the former Chief has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with the Bears.

Cut last month with a failed physical designation, Howard spent four years with the Chiefs after starting his NFL career in Seattle. The 28-year-old started 13 games in 2015, notching 5.5 sacks.
Last year, Howard had eight game appearances and four starts. He eventually landed on injured reserve with a hip injury.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 04, 2017, 10:06:13 pm
What makes them think a month later that now he'll pass his physical??
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 04, 2017, 10:17:27 pm
Stop being so negative Sporty.  He passed his physical with the Bears.  He chose not to sign with them to see if he could get a better offer.  Then he came back and signed with the Bears.

It is a one year deal so if he doesn't stay healthy it doesn't hurt the cap.

There is really nothing to complain about here.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 04, 2017, 10:24:19 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-rostermoves/Bears-ink-DT-Howard-to-1-year-deal/626eeea9-80c4-4769-9c37-592c4b883846
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 04, 2017, 10:50:16 pm
Peke, if there were something to be positive about, I'd be positive.....hasn't been with this club for years now, you know this....

And from the 'what a surprise!' file, we have here....
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/jay-cutler-may-go-tony-romo-route-auditioned-broadcasting-career-160311630.html

Cutty getting no love from the NFL, so he's gonna use his great charm and charisma and do broadcasting!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2017, 11:17:50 pm
Sarcasm #1
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 05, 2017, 09:20:25 am
I gotta agree Sporty has a case of the negatives.  We havent ever had a "good" franchise qb, and we finally drafted one, who may or may not be good, but lets at least give the kid a chance.  And all I see are people complaining about it.  As for Howard, we wanted him last year big time, and as long as he isnt still hurt/doesnt get hurt again, he is going to be a huge upgrade on the DL over Mitch Unrein.  You can look at a glass as either half empty or half full. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2017, 09:37:30 am
I am very happy about Howard. My only concern is his health. I'm the dog hoping and hoping for a bookend for Hicks. Now if we have some cap left lets approach Hicks about a re-up.. Go Bears. And I hope we can find another CB or Safety the same way. I hate to say this but we need all the help we can get. We are far from a finished product.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 05, 2017, 12:05:23 pm
Defense is probably as good as it's going to get this season.

A perfect draft would have added a rookie corner.  Bears addressed the DE position with Howard.

Roster for 2017 is about good to go.  But in 2018 we could be looking at CB (Akumura and Fuller are FAs) and maybe a safety to replace Demps - hopefully somebody emerges with all the safeties on the roster.

Maybe we can make a trade with all the TEs we got?

WR, OT and OLB could use some new blood  too.  But let's not open the 2018 draft topic just yet.

And if Hicks had a good first month - I agree sign him for 2 or 3 more years.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2017, 03:03:19 pm
AS the draft ended and we didn't get a CB with the abundance of talent that there would even be UDFAs that might make some rosters. But I haven't seen that. If there was some that slipped through the cracks we didn't get any. We will have to go to war with what we have. Maybe when roster cuts happen there might be some help then. I just don't see us having a successful season with what we have. Just having 5 wins is a successful season to some but not for me.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 05, 2017, 04:54:57 pm
If the Bears win 6 we usually throw a parade.

Yeah, they really didn't sign any rooks.  Bears added the 3 veteran FAs and thankfully cut Bausby and Glenn.  But the only other non/nickel guys are Jonathon Banks and Rashad Reynolds.

Neither are youngsters.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 05, 2017, 07:36:13 pm
Maybe they feel Fuller's ready
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2017, 08:02:55 pm
Ready for what?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 06, 2017, 02:08:44 am
Fullers ready for another team....they didn't pick up his option for next season. No great loss there...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 06, 2017, 06:26:16 am
We have to hope that Fuller can give us something.  Wouldn't that be a good story that he actually performs at the draft slot he was selected? I know that is only hope but I want Fuller to succeed because that will make the Bears better. 

And P.S. , he is on the roster for this coming season until the Bears decide otherwise.  If we are lucky, maybe we could **** about him next year only playing for the next contract - where was that player the first 3 years? He has incentive to play very well, an audition for 32 teams to help him earn the most money he will ever make in his life.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2017, 07:30:04 am
Wouldn't that be a good story that he actually performs at the draft slot he was selected?

Yes, it absolutely would. My issue is my confidence level. He hasn't shown the ability to be that player. Another thing is he was drafted by another GM and defensive system. Fuller like others the Bears have signed is on a one year show me deal. If he doesn't perform like they want or expect he wont get a lot of playing time. Fuller had a great rookie year but nothing since then. Maybe he has been playing hurt, but I don't expect the Bears to put up with sub par performance. Now he has to get back in football shape. Fuller is like a mystery right now. Nobody knows what kind of shape he is in or his attitude about playing football.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 06, 2017, 10:11:39 am
Saw the story of Bruce Arians on NFLN recently.

He said when he interviewed with the Bears he left thinking he would be coach the next year.

The bears then called him and said his hiring was conditional in that they wanted him to keep the Tampa two defense.

He turned down the job.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 06, 2017, 12:32:45 pm
I wonder who would make that stipulation. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 06, 2017, 12:59:36 pm
has to be Emery
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 06, 2017, 01:35:54 pm

Kyle Fuller has only played in two seasons since the Bears drafted - missing his 3rd season (2016) with the knee injury.

According to PFF he had a rough rookie year but rebounded with a nice 2015:

Fuller fared much better in 2015, more than doubling his grade (78.1) and reducing his allowed yardage from 841 to 425. He also ranked fourth in the league in both yards per coverage snap (0.74) and coverage snaps per reception (14.7).
 


That would rank him behind Patrick Peterson, Josh Norman, and Richard Sherman.

My guess is the Bears staff had issue with his knee injury and decided they didn't want to pick up his 5th year salary based on that and contract based on his first round draft position.   So he's on a one year deal like a bunch of the other players.  The only advantage the Bears have with him is they would have first shot at signing him long term if he starts out the first half of the season well.

At this point you have to throw out his draft status and look at his projected production vs what's going to be available in free agency and the draft in 2018.  Based on his 2015 PFF rankings he's a better player than most here think and he's only 25 years old.

Three of the Bears top CBs are free agents after this season - only the Cardinals Marcus Cooper is signed beyond 2017.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 06, 2017, 05:13:48 pm



 Outside of Trubisky ... how do we USE what we have DRAFTED day one ?


 Glennon possibly gets a two TE set ... is this true ?


 Glennon hands off to Howard & Cohen ... is this true ?


 Is a Kurtzman OL in the mix at OL day one?


 The only DB we drafted better be in the mix day one or I'll have that


 motherfuucker audited by the I.R.S.


 And THEN let's see you make up excuses were that money came from !


 It's fuucking ... CHICAGO BEARS !


 All we want is an honest chance to compete !  :D


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 06, 2017, 05:57:09 pm
No it's not true.

Most rookies don't start their first year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 06, 2017, 06:44:48 pm



 
No it's not true.

Most rookies don't start their first year.


 With our last draft they better be armed and dangerous !


 You don't even draft 4 picks in rounds and park them.


 That's fuuckkin nutz so far out of reality that  a knife in the skull,


  would be viewed as a blessing.


 WE WANT STARTERS WE WANT KILLERS !!


 Two things could happen to THE CHICAGO BEARS with this draft ...


 they are genius ... or idiots .


 TIME ...



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 06, 2017, 09:23:23 pm
Falcons- loss
@ Tampa- loss
Steelers- blowout loss
@Packers- blowout loss
Vikings- loss
@Ravens- loss
Panthers- loss
@Saints- loss
BYE....loss
Packers- blowout loss
Lions- loss
@Eagles- loss
49ers-slight chance of win
@Bengals- blowout loss
@Lions- loss
Browns-slight chance of win, but with their nice draft, it's a loss
@Vikings-poss win

Wow...this could be the year the Bears actually go 0 for.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 06, 2017, 11:41:07 pm
Enjoy the Packer board this fall, then...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 07, 2017, 12:05:56 am
Because I see the reality? Yeah, not....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 07, 2017, 07:37:53 am
http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/expect-the-final-2017-bears-depth-chart-to-look-like-this/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on May 07, 2017, 09:29:50 am
Sportster, jeez that's grim....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on May 07, 2017, 12:45:36 pm
Sportster, that's brutal, even losing to the Bye.  Listened to Pace on Sirius while careening to work at warp 8, even if it all blows up (high chance that) at least it sounded like he had a plan.  Pretty much gave up on this upcoming year prior to listening to him.  Remember vividly how horrible the defense was.  Nothing in the secondary but people waving wildly as the wr caught the ball and
took off.  Course, Emory had a plan too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 07, 2017, 02:58:48 pm
We had a lot of injuries and suspensions on D last season. Just having guys like Freeman, Trevathan, Fuller, Goldman, etc around for 16 games would help a lot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 07, 2017, 03:28:22 pm
It really depends on injuries and how Glennon performs. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2017, 05:36:23 pm
Falcons- loss
@ Tampa- loss
Steelers- blowout loss
@Packers- blowout loss
Vikings- loss
@Ravens- loss
Panthers- loss
@Saints- loss
BYE....loss
Packers- blowout loss
Lions- loss
@Eagles- loss
49ers-slight chance of win
@Bengals- blowout loss
@Lions- loss
Browns-slight chance of win, but with their nice draft, it's a loss
@Vikings-poss win

Wow...this could be the year the Bears actually go 0 for.....

Wait till Dallas sees that. He'll be getting his Christmas present early in September instead of Christmas. Dallas is expecting Trubiky to play early this year and if Glennon craps the bed early Dallas might get his dream wish early..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 07, 2017, 06:33:20 pm
Its been a couple weeks.

I now love the turbinsky pick, think about what the eagles or the rams gave up for the top 2 QB's last year... look at what we gave up for the top QB this year.

Its the rest of the draft that's now bothering me. Too many "special athletes"  not enough ball players. seemingly random positions as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 07, 2017, 07:50:48 pm



 If everything goes right with our draft picks and FA signing's ...


 we dig our way out of the the NFC NORTH graveyard ,


 as perpetual last place losers.


 I'm motherfuuckin sick and tired as being the butt of jokes,


  treated as back street losers ...


 are you ?


 I want some fuuckin PAYBACK !!


 BEARRSSE !!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 07, 2017, 10:38:56 pm
Half of us can't even spell the new QB's name right lol...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 08, 2017, 09:34:14 am
Things could be worse than this:

http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/jim-harbaugh-serious-candidate-coach-bears-2018/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 08, 2017, 12:19:52 pm
Linebacker Dan Skuta has found a new home.

Skuta was released by the Jaguars in April after two years in Jacksonville and visited with the Patriots later in the month, but didn’t land a contract in New England. He had more luck in Chicago.

The Bears announced on Monday that they have signed Skuta to their 90-man roster. The move reunites Skuta with defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who ran the 49ers defense when Skuta played for the team in 2013 and 2014.

Skuta made 18 starts in those two years and recorded five sacks and three forced fumbles for the Niners during the 2014 season. He didn’t have the same kind of production with the Jaguars and may need to rediscover it to land a roster spot with Leonard Floyd, Pernell McPhee, Lamarr Houston, Willie Young and Sam Acho already on hand.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 08, 2017, 01:06:46 pm
At best he will compete with Sam Acho (and others) for the last LB spot on the roster.

Wrong side of 30.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 08, 2017, 06:30:09 pm
I read somewhere that he's a special teams guy, and played for Fangio for a few years in SF...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 09, 2017, 09:59:46 am
The Bears won 3 with the roster/injuries/coaching they had last year. They will win at least 1 somewhere (any given Sunday after all !) this season...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2017, 11:37:37 am
On paper the defense should be better with the additions of Demps, Cooper, Amukamura, and Howard.  Travathian  is big question mark and possibly Fuller.

Bears were ranked 15th in the NFL but turnovers were worst in Bears history.

Just got to stay healthy.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on May 09, 2017, 06:41:09 pm
The bears are definitely looking at a challenging year.


4-12


Packers are closing on all-time franchise wins...


Enjoy
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2017, 07:33:48 pm
Thanks for your insight / I guess I won't put in for time off from work to go to the Bear playoff games.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 09, 2017, 07:54:33 pm
The only thing we know for sure is the Packers will choke in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 09, 2017, 07:57:11 pm
And that Rodgers is getting closer and closer to retirement.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 09, 2017, 08:15:12 pm
Don't forget they have Brett Hundley on the bench waiting his turn

Hope Packrat is okay, he hasn't posted since March...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 09, 2017, 09:08:28 pm
I think he said he was moving.  I am guessing into a retirement home although he did not say that.

I would absolutely visit him if I knew where he was.  We had talked about going to lunch when I was in Bloomington but he said he didn't drive to good and didn't want to make him get out.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2017, 11:56:28 pm

Just our luck...Packrat nowhere to be found but Otto still lurks.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 11, 2017, 06:16:38 pm
The Bears on Thursday released veteran receiver Eddie Royal and waived defensive lineman Will Sutton, offensive lineman Cornelius Edison and fullback Paul Lasike.

Royal, who will turn 31 later this month, signed with the Bears in 2015 after catching 62 passes for 778 yards and seven touchdowns with the Chargers in 2014. But injuries limited him to nine games in each of his two seasons in Chicago. He had 37 receptions for 238 yards and one TD in 2015 and 33 catches for 369 yards and two touchdowns last year.

Sutton was selected by the Bears in the third round of the 2014 draft out of Arizona State. He appeared in 36 games with 18 starts over three seasons, recording 20 tackles and no sacks.
Last season Edison appeared in six games—all as reserve—while Lasike played in 10 contests with three starts, rushing for eight yards on three carries and catching one pass for three yards.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 11, 2017, 06:17:45 pm
Kind of surprised they cut Royal. He played well when he was on the field.  He just was not on the field very often due to injury.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2017, 07:03:49 pm
The ONLY thing Royal had going for him was his connection to Cutler.  Couldnt stay healthy, see ya.  Glad he is gone. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2017, 07:06:43 pm
Say what?
Things were all quiet on the Victor Cruz front on Wednesday and most of the last two months, but Thursday has been very different story.

It started with word of an upcoming visit to Jacksonville, moved on to talk of mutual interest with the Ravens and continued with a reported trip to visit the Bears. According to multiple reports, Cruz is scheduled to meet with the Bears on Monday.

The news comes on the same day that the Bears released Eddie Royal, which leaves them down a veteran receiver as they head into the final stages of their offseason work. Cruz had six more catches and 227 more receiving yards than Royal and missed one game to Royal’s seven last season.

If Cruz does sign with Chicago, he’ll join Markus Wheaton and Kendall Wright as new additions to the receiving corps. He’ll also be reunited with former Giants teammate Rueben Randle, who signed with the Bears in January.

If Cruz doesn’t sign, he’ll move on to exploring those other options in what’s suddenly become a warm market after an icy initial response to his departure from the Giants.

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Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 11, 2017, 09:16:55 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-rostermoves/Bears-sign-13-undrafted-rookies/9fa27945-05b1-4239-823e-75ede5fa5def
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2017, 11:22:59 am
From Fansided

Cruz is scheduled to meet Bears officials at Halas Hall on Monday.

Cruz played his entire career with the New York Giants. He made 303 catches for 4,549 yards and 25 touchdowns. He helped the Giants win Super Bowl XLVI in the 2011 playoffs. During that championship run, he had 21 catches for 269 yards and a touchdown. He made the Pro Bowl in 2012.

Cruz suffered a torn patella tendon in 2014 and missed 10 games. He suffered a calf injury in 2015 and missed the entire season. His injury history is a concern. On the other hand, in 2016, he came back and had a good season, making 39 catches for 586 yards and a touchdown in 15 games.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 12, 2017, 12:10:46 pm
Doh:

Bears wide receiver Kevin White has had a hard time getting on the field.

Now, he’s going to have a hard time getting anywhere, since his car was stolen.

According to NBC Chicago, a Maserati being driven by White’s girlfriend was stolen as part of a series of carjackings there.

Thieves ran into the back of the car at a stop sign, and when White’s girlfriend got out of the car, the two men jumped into it and took off. The “bumper-tapping” tactic has been reported in a number of car thefts over the last month.

The 2015 first-round pick wasn’t on the scene when it happened.

He has been limited to just four games and 19 catches in two seasons, after a series of leg injuries, but the Bears are hopeful he’ll bounce back and become a contributor.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on May 12, 2017, 01:16:16 pm
How many games has  this guy played in for the Bears? A Maserati ? As far as the GF, I would have got out and seen too, easy to see how that could happen, but you think the kid would have low profiled it down to, oh
I don't know, a Landrover, while healing up. Again.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 12, 2017, 01:41:06 pm
Run down of our UDFA with a few highlite reels.  Will have to keep an eye on the Seales kid....

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/5/11/15494192/chicago-bears-2017-nfl-draft-udfa-class-scouting-reports
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 12, 2017, 02:52:49 pm
Kevin who?....

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 12, 2017, 02:57:06 pm
Um all I know is if I have a maserati, aint no way in HEELLLL I am letting my girl friend drive it by herself.  She must really take GOOD care of ole Kevin....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2017, 04:54:52 pm
For Dallas, because he cares:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170512/sports/305129876/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 12, 2017, 06:18:29 pm
All Bear fans should care.

I think it's weird that you continue to have this  Trubisky obsession.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 12, 2017, 06:25:47 pm
Its a strange obsession, almost like he is rooting for him to fail cause he might sit out his first year... are you a bears fan? or a fan of your own ability to judge talent?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2017, 09:08:07 pm
Who is saying we will even see any of that talent this year. I sure am not saying that
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 13, 2017, 09:05:01 pm

"Two AFC scouts revealed that they had the highest grade on Trubisky that they’d had on any quarterback over the past six years. That means: higher than Jameis Winston; higher than Marcus Mariota; higher than Cam Newton; higher than Russell Wilson; higher than Andrew Luck; higher than Derek Carr; higher than Carson Wentz.

The evaluation of one NFC regional scouting team was that “Trubisky is an almost perfect quarterback prospect” and that 'the Bears should count their lucky stars he only started 13 games because if he was a two-year starter, he goes 1/1 [overall No. 1] without hesitation.”"

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/just-day-1-minicamp-did-bears-coaches-see-what-they-needed-qb-mitch-trubisky
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 14, 2017, 06:36:10 am
Oh brother, spin spin spin.....the AFC scouts are probably from the Browns and Jags and the NFC is probably from the Pakers, who still can't stop laughing at the Bears draft....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 14, 2017, 12:35:10 pm
It's funny that you make up stuff to justify your biases about a player you've probably barely ever seen play and yet call the original report spin.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 14, 2017, 02:18:41 pm
Yeah, whatever. I'm done with the Bears. I'm just so completely sick and tired of waiting for them to turn it around, figure it out, year after year after year AFTER year. I'm done with it. We're having a yard sale this Saturday and I'm selling all my Bears crap then. Just completely fed up with them. Not going to any other team. Just won't watch much NFL anymore. You guys can hang on and wait for that miracle to happen. I'm done, they've finally lost me.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 14, 2017, 02:23:01 pm

You'll know where to find us when they turn it around - even the Cubs were finally able to.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on May 14, 2017, 03:14:47 pm
 I'm hoping Trubisky is as good as some here are saying. We definitely need a QB for the future.However, with that said I'm not feeling the optimism. Since the draft I've watched films of him and although he's shown potential he's not nearly as consistent as I'd like to see in a #2 overall player. I'll root for him,but,I think we would have been much better off trading down some and selecting Mahomes. Oh well I guess that's why Pace makes the big bucks and I'm sitting home in front of my computer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 14, 2017, 03:38:38 pm
Whew, those scouts must not have seen Glennon and Sanchez.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 14, 2017, 05:00:44 pm

Since the draft I've watched films of him and although he's shown potential he's not nearly as consistent as I'd like to see in a #2 overall player.

Jameis Winston, he went #1 a couple years ago, threw 18 interceptions his last year at FL St with a  65% completion percentage.  And 25 TDs

Trubisky threw 6 picks and completed 68%.  Had 30 TDs.

What does this mean?  Not much other than his college numbers were pretty good.

 But if you guys want to poo-poo the pick most likely you will be right.  The success rate of first round QBs is maybe 50%.

It will be interesting to see how the careers of Mahomes, Watson and the other QBs develop.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 14, 2017, 07:14:57 pm
I'll say this, I am not a fan of North Carolina football, anymore than I am a fan of Texas Tech football. I find it skeptical to listen to someone tout the quality of North Carolina football.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 14, 2017, 07:21:29 pm
I just hope with all the bad QBs the Bears have had over the years, that somehow Pace has nailed it. We need a break, our luck has been horrible. Trubisky doesn't give me as much confidence that I would like.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 14, 2017, 08:31:06 pm
I still think D. Watson will be very successful.  Sometimes I think the NFL overthinks it.  The guy maybe does not have the measurables, but he is a winner.  2 college football championship games and brings his team back to win one against the best D in the country that consisted multiple early round NFL draft picks.  I think the guy has got the it.  Maybe Trubisky will be better, I sure do hope so.  However I will be watching DeShawn's career with great interest.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 14, 2017, 09:04:22 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/14/bears-sign-wr-titus-davis-older-brother-of-2017-first-rounder-corey-davis/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 14, 2017, 09:05:41 pm



 I just want a team ... a real TEAM ...


 that can flat out DEFEAT any other team in the NFC NORF.


 Is this happening in Chicago ?


 After everything has played itself out ... F.A. - DRAFT - WALK ON's from Elgin, Ill. ...


 the kid down the block that sez he can toss a rock in Aurora ...


 that never went to college ... who's an understudy at an insurance agency ...


 where do we find the talent ?

YOUR CHICAGO BEARS will only answer to empty seats @ Soldiers Field X Pi.

When the lack of money starts hurting revenue ...

they'll put a winning TEAM on the field so fast it will make your head spin.

Until then ... they've got you.

You'll except mediocrity ... New England will except WINNING ...

WHY ?

Because the McCasky's make enough money already with out trying.

They just have to show up without trying.

Be bottom feeders in a league where the cream rises to the top ...

it doesn't matter if the TEAM is never there ...

until the SEATS start to empty out.

THEN do something about it.

Golly Gee aren't we lucky whats going to happen next ?


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2017, 09:59:29 am
This sounds promising:

Mark Potash: Trubisky looked the part of a first-round draft pick this weekend, showing off his arm strength and accuracy, being assertive and confident and having command of the huddle. But there was nothing he could do at a rookie minicamp to show the qualities that compelled the Bears to pay such a high price for their quarterback of the future: durability, escapability, coolness under pressure and the ability to make his teammates and his team better. The Bears believe he has that “it” factor. But will they give him the opportunity to prove he’s more ready than they think?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on May 15, 2017, 11:28:27 am
News flash - Bears believe every draft pick has the IT factor - until proven otherwise
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 15, 2017, 03:52:56 pm
So does every other team.

The Cowboys are drooling over Taco Carlton who to me looks like he'll become a pretty good strong side 4-3 DE.

But maybe not Charles Haley.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 15, 2017, 04:20:43 pm
I think they are happier with Lewis and Awuzie, if i read correctly they tried to move up for charles harris in the 1st. Taco was probably the best pick for them... i wish they too had traded down and taken Mcdowell at the top of the 2nd. they needed a DE, but i think they could have made do for another year without a DE, sign a vet that is better then whats on the roster for DE.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 15, 2017, 10:56:15 pm
They had a huge need for a pass rusher.  Was there anyone available in free agency?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 15, 2017, 11:22:41 pm
Besides Greg Hardy?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2017, 10:13:52 am
Yeah really.  If even Jerry Jones won't sign you because of off the field indescretions then nobody will.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 16, 2017, 10:35:21 am
Nope not anyone youngish. But lots of decent role players out there. And more cuts will come.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 16, 2017, 09:12:45 pm



 MINUS TRUBISKY ... who should be Microsoft Surface carrying in 2017 ...


 Where does the rest of our Draft & F.A. come into play in the upcoming season ?


 We've hired X amount of DB's in the off season ...


 2017 Draft has produced various aspects of Offense that none of us expected ...


 a big TE and a tiny RB & an Offensive Lineman ...


 and just as an aside thought a DB.


 Where does this fit in at ?


 Do we see any starters ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2017, 10:26:58 pm

This year?  Yeah, one...maybe.   The safety.

I think Demps is the more physical player so he could play more of a SS role with Jackson at FS who isn't exactly a head hunter.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 17, 2017, 05:21:11 am
So who is our Jordan Howard this year?  Who is our later round choice that contributes this season?  It is hard to expect a draft choice to make the Pro Bowl the first year, likely very rare.  Last year around this time Bullard was the consensus "steal" with a number of votes for Howard also.  But I think the greater buzz was for Bullard and his explosive first step.

So do we have that player again?

Since we have fewer choices than last year, it should be easier for us to look at that roster and decide who that would be.  I am really looking forward to seeing what Shaheen will offer.  I am anxious to see what his size and speed can offer in the middle of the field.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 17, 2017, 07:27:06 am
I will say I do really like Eddie Jackson, but the biggest problem I see with him is that leg issue. He's had a couple issues now with it I believe and that doesn't bode well at all for a guy that has to make quick cuts and cover. Could be a Mike Brown all over again even before he gets started.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 17, 2017, 09:45:38 am
I am not excited about Jackson. I really doubt he will be healthy. I am more excited about Shaheen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 17, 2017, 10:50:12 am
Jackson broke his leg in October.  I don't have the specifics but I would hope he'd be ready to go soon.

Otherwise the Bears may be holding back details - wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 17, 2017, 10:54:23 am
I opened my browser today to yahoo.com and instead of seeing a picture of Trump - I see a pic of Trubisky and an article about how great a camp he's had and how good he looks and hie Pace may have made this great pick.

 Incredible.

The media was knee jerk negative and now  knee jerk positive.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 17, 2017, 11:05:54 am
Looking good in practice and that translating to the field on gameday do not always equal out. I'd be impressed if he goes out and whips Green Bay.....not how he looks fantastic in practice. That means nothing....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 17, 2017, 11:26:40 am
Dallas, Jackson has had a history of injuries at Alabama. This broken leg thing was just the latest.  I am just as excited about Jackson as I am about White or Grasu.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 18, 2017, 11:14:05 am
1. Kyle Fuller, CB

When the Bears spent their 2014 first-round pick on Kyle Fuller, it seemed like an excellent addition. The Virginia Tech product showed signs of being a lockdown cornerback, with impressive physicality and instincts in coverage.

Although his first couple of seasons in the NFL had their ups and downs, the promise was still there for Fuller. Injuries and inconsistency hindered his progress, but there was no denying the upside was there. And then 2016 rolled around, and things quickly went downhill for the young cover man.

Fuller ended up missing the entire 2016 campaign after undergoing a minor knee scope. Towards the end of the year, it was believed he’d make his return, but apparently didn’t show the desire to get back on the field. Defensive coordinator Vic Fangio even went as far as insinuating that Fuller wasn’t doing his part to make his triumphant return (via Chicago Tribune’s Brad Biggs).

Despite the aforementioned issues, Fuller will be given every opportunity to win a job this offseason. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that’s going to happen. He already appears checked out of Chicago, and is just waiting for that inevitable call to the coach’s office.

http://nflspinzone.com/2017/05/17/chicago-bears-5-veteran-cuts-training-camp-2017/

I wouldn't be shocked if this happened.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 18, 2017, 12:11:03 pm
Its also interesting in that article that he says Mark Sanchez could get cut, in favor of a cheaper Connor Shaw.  I guess we shall see how Shaw does, and if Sanchez can mentor Trubisky like they say he did with Dak Prescott.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 18, 2017, 12:25:10 pm
I'd much rather see Shaw kept over Sanchez. We never got to see what he could do because of the broken leg. To my thinking, the Bears owe him that chance. The Randle cut is legit too. If White doesn't show much in training camp he might be in jeopardy too. There is still a lot of smoke with the receiving corps with the ex-Giant still looking for a job. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 18, 2017, 08:56:44 pm
I think Sanchez will make the team.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 18, 2017, 09:05:15 pm
I hope he doesn't.

He sucks.  If he is good mentor hire him as a coach.

I would much rather go with Glennon, Tribusky and Shaw.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 18, 2017, 09:35:53 pm
They could make Sanchez a QB coach
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2017, 09:21:00 am
One name Fangio didn’t mention was Kyle Fuller. Fangio had some choice words about Fuller missing the entire season after going in for a routine scope last August. Look for Fuller to be cut by the end of camp. Coaches have no use for players they can’t trust, and Fangio doesn’t trust Fuller.

http://dawindycity.com/2017/05/19/chicago-bears-news-vic-fangio-talks-about-state-of-defense/

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 19, 2017, 11:20:00 am
I think they want to see what Fuller has before cutting him.  You'd think if they were so displeased with him that they'd have cut him by now, right?

Like Royal and Sutton...and Ferguson before that.

I'm glad they signed FAs Cooper, Amukamara and Webb but I'd like it better if a healthy Fuller is added to that mix.
 
I think the wildcard among the DBs is Hall.  I think he's the guy that provides insurance if Demps/Jackson fail or they need help at corner.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2017, 12:58:44 pm
I think they want to see what Fuller has before cutting him.  You'd think if they were so displeased with him that they'd have cut him by now, right?

Yeah, which is why they need to see him in action when the pads go on, Pads don't go on till camp opens in July. Which is why this was said, Look for Fuller to be cut by the end of camp.

I don't have a problem with the article, or the idea of Fuller being cut, except one thing..... we didn't draft any corners in a DB draft. It makes no sense to cut off your nose to spite your face. So why cut him if you are short CBs? And we wont know what we have till competition begins in camp.

OTOH don't be surprised when the door hits Fuller in the butt. He has to earn a job. It wont be given because he was a 1st round draft pick by a different administration.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 19, 2017, 11:35:22 pm

They should know what they have with Fuller well BEFORE training camp.   When do the OTAs begin?

You don't need to put the pads on to see if a corner is ready - if he can run and cut and make plays on the ball he'll be deemed good to go.  He's always been a good tackler.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 20, 2017, 01:32:08 am
Don't care for Fuller, honestly. Hope he does get cut and they move on....never been impressed with him...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2017, 08:48:35 am
When do the OTAs begin?

They already began but not for veterans. I don't believe they can make any determination as to position players till the pads go on. And it really wouldn't be fair if they did.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 20, 2017, 09:50:42 am
Nice article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-mitch-trubisky-bears-chicago-hope-spt-0521-20170519-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on May 20, 2017, 10:39:39 am
Good article - but they better build the O-line to keep him alive...

And he had seen the poise the young quarterback consistently showed in "a noisy pocket when things are collapsing."
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 20, 2017, 10:47:27 am
Agreed, a killer Oline will make him even more productive. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2017, 05:24:44 pm
So would Alston Jeffery.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 20, 2017, 08:41:44 pm
I keep reading that line by Pace ..."I do not want to be average around here I want to be great".  I cannot help think that is a little slap at Cutler. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2017, 09:24:48 pm
No it's a slap at those that wanted to settle for Glennon and draft a strong safety or 3-4 DE with the 3rd puck.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2017, 10:15:31 pm
we'll see.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 20, 2017, 10:49:41 pm



 RECENT CHICAGO BEARS FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS :


 Kyle Fuller


 Kevin White


 Both players went to the Pro-Bowl in 2016.


 Here Sporty,


 Take a hit on this shiit ... it'll flat out knock you on your asss ...


 reality is subjective when yer a BEARS fan.  :o



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 20, 2017, 11:01:25 pm
Call me crazy but I can't wait for football to start.

Do I think they are going to the play offs?  No. 

I think they win 7 games or so but that we feel like they are heading in the right direction after the season.

That is my guess.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 21, 2017, 12:17:51 am
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Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 21, 2017, 07:32:50 am
I keep reading that line by Pace ..."I do not want to be average around here I want to be great".  I cannot help think that is a little slap at Cutler.


I'm not so sure it is a slap at Cutler per se, but I am pretty happy he said it.  Do you think Belichik has ever once in his life said I just want to be average?  I dont. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 22, 2017, 05:53:18 am
Most of Cutlers career in Chicago was spent on his back. Some his fault, the rest was due to a crappy O line. It was time for a change, though I personally wouldn't have pulled the trigger quite yet. I believe in a great D first, then build from there. Now? I'm a huge fan of our new QB..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 22, 2017, 08:42:51 am
Speculation is he wont be ready to play by the begining of the year:

The Bears have been fortunate that Pro Bowl offensive lineman Kyle Long is versatile, and they’re thinking about tapping into that again.

According to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, the Bears are considering moving Long to left guard this year and flipping free agent pickup Josh Sitton to right guard.

Long has played tackle in the past, but the Bears obviously prefer him inside. The only complication to this move is that Long’s still rehabbing last year’s ankle injury, so it’s unclear when the adjustment will begin.

Sitton has plenty of experience at right guard, having started the first four years in Green Bay on the right side. Long hasn’t played left guard since college, but it shouldn’t be that much of a problem for a player of his experience.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on May 22, 2017, 09:35:47 am
When Josh McCown took over for Cutler - it was the same O-line but McCown somehow was much better in the noisy pocket - or he was just "lucky" to get rid of the ball before getting hit all the time...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 22, 2017, 10:15:20 am
My big disappointment in this draft was not spending picks 2 and 3 on OL. 

Glad we got a DII athlete at TE though...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 22, 2017, 02:33:32 pm
Now if only he can do it in a real game....

http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/watch-mitch-trubisky-showcase-his-accuracy-with-this-insane-throw/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 22, 2017, 03:01:45 pm
Probably took him twenty throws they didn't show to do it...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2017, 05:08:25 pm
If you watched the video he was making that throw repeatedly.  I stopped watching after 47 in a row.

The guy never missed!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 22, 2017, 05:19:31 pm
LOL it's a replay.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2017, 06:36:25 pm
I watched it 234 more times and he's just so consistent.  Each throw is exactly the same as the prior one.

Replay?  Maybe, but I bet he could do it 300 times in a row!

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 22, 2017, 07:45:40 pm
LOL!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2017, 10:40:57 pm
LMAO.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2017, 10:21:08 am
I think Dallas and Trubisky need a marriage license
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2017, 12:11:44 pm
Nice article:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/first-and-10-all-eyes-on-mike-glennon-and-mitch-trubisky-as-otas-open/

6. This is cornerback Kyle Fuller’s last chance to endear himself to this coaching staff not only physically but mentally after he missed the entire 2016 season following arthroscopic knee surgery. Fuller seems like a long shot to stick with the Bears, but he might have more value to other NFL teams. The trick is to market that and get something for him.

“He’s moving like he’s 100 percent, and we’ll go from there,” defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 23, 2017, 12:24:38 pm
I heard one of the ex players on the NFL channel recently describing how injuries sometimes get into a players head, frequently knee injuries.

Fuller knows he's either extending or ending his career this training camp.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2017, 12:36:27 pm
This article gives me some hope. I sure hope this guy is healthy. We need him:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-de-jaye-howard-out-to-show-league-im-still-a-dominant-player/amp/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2017, 01:01:29 pm
Hey Dallas they're playing your song:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-shouldnt-tire-of-saying-mitch-trubisky-will-watch-learn-in-17/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2017, 02:56:57 pm
Total BS article.

Yeah, I understand that there is some benefit to not getting thrown into the fire game 1.  But is that game 4, 10, or the entire 2017 season, I don't know.

Sooner or later you gotta play the game and there is diminishing benefit for each extra game watched from a sideline for Trubisky.

If Glennon is having a near pro bowl season and the Bears are playoff bound then Trubisky sits for the most part and maybe gets mop up action only.  But if the Bears or Glennon falter or Glennon gets dinged all bets are off.

You learn by doing not by watching.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2017, 03:07:40 pm
Fuller looks like he's 100%.

Good to hear - hopefully he'll shut up all the media naysayers and their easily swayed  followers that predict Fuller will be cut.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2017, 03:38:09 pm
Fuller looks like he's 100%.

Good to hear - hopefully he'll shut up all the media naysayers and their easily swayed  followers that predict Fuller will be cut.

But I am not a media follower. I just want to rattle your cage because I know it eats at you. Your overwhelming loyalty to your favs sticks out like a swollen thumb. After all, your Cub loyalty is a badge. Its hard to take that badge off or let go of it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2017, 04:21:18 pm
Whatever...

Bears cornerback play was horrid last year - I think we all agree.

Prince Amukamara played in 14 games and touched the ball 6 times!  No picks.  He's a projected starter.

Of course I'd like to see Fuller healthy and be successful.  Who wouldn't?

We need sone quality play this year st CB cuz next year we will be drafting corners out the yingyang.

So go find another article that says Fuller gets cut.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 23, 2017, 04:52:40 pm
Well, ya get what ya draft, Dallas, and they have ignored the backside for years now, and the results show it. You cannot expect top flight performance from has beens, have not yet beens and cast offs. If they want better performance, they'll have to draft better performance and for them it's not important obviously.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 23, 2017, 05:13:05 pm



 I wonder what will happen at the end of 2017 ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 23, 2017, 05:25:47 pm
You learn by doing not by watching.

Yes if the conditions are right.

We don't need another David Carr situation where a young QB is sent in with no OL to get slaughtered beyond recovery.

If the OL is healthy and solid, the running game is working and there is a decent passing offense in place perhaps he can be sent in.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2017, 06:12:01 pm

Well, ya get what ya draft, Dallas, and they have ignored the backside for years now, and the results show it. You cannot expect top flight performance from has beens, have not yet beens and cast offs. If they want better performance, they'll have to draft better performance and for them it's not important obviously.


The Bears problems under Angelo and Emery were not so much the positions they addressed but the quality of the players they drafted at those positions.  Pace has drafted for positions of need his first 2 years and this year has kind of gone off for more of the BPA this past draft.  His problem has been more injury related than talent related.

If KWhite can come back from his injury plagued seasons, Floyd stays healthy and Trubisky shines Pace will have ended the streak of bad Bears' GMs.

Pace has addressed the problems at corner with free agency...it's a band aid.  He's got numerous holes at other positions that also needed attention.  You can't waive a wand and draft wide receivers, tight ends, corners, safeties, 3-4 DEs and pass rushing OLBs in one draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2017, 06:16:14 pm

davebear

You can't guarantee that conditions will be ideal for Trubisky.  Bears have a decent O-line,  quality at running back, good depth at TE, and a lot of questions at WR.

All those could get worse or get better but I recall Troy Aikman his rookie year getting killed and losing all 9 of his games started.  Then you get a guy like Dak Prescott who steps in and wins 10 or so starts. 

I've never heard of a QB who got so shell shocked his first year that it ended his career.  If they have talent they will succeed eventually (you know, as long as they don't get physically crippled).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 23, 2017, 07:06:55 pm
Hey, Cubs are champs!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 23, 2017, 08:16:58 pm
Ignored the backside for years...I could have sworn they drafted 3 DBs in last year's draft...but whatever works for you, I guess...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 24, 2017, 12:20:04 am
How many top picks have they given to that area? Fuller, a few years ago? The rest are lower round picks. They've passed up a bunch of better talent, including a ton in this years draft...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2017, 08:15:04 am
Correctamundo
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2017, 09:21:34 am
I don't like this at all. We need all of our horses. We don't need any lame horses. He hasn't shown squat since he was drafted.

http://dawindycity.com/2017/05/23/chicago-bears-kevin-white-otas/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 24, 2017, 11:47:36 am
Hopefully the Bears are playing it safe right now with White. White has to make a showing this season. With White not able to stay on the field, Pace really needs Floyd to start showing some talent, and Trubinsky to live up to expectations. Otherwise, Pace won't  be able to apply for any front office job, anywhere..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2017, 12:18:11 pm
The problem is White has to be able to play. If he cant play he needs to find another job. He cant be just IR-ed year after year. And he needs to practice so he develops timing and proper route running. He has new QBs this year. This is not good.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2017, 12:27:49 pm
Not good news as he should have had plenty of time  to recover since early last fall.

These are OTAs so he shouldn't be doing anything different than what he should have been doing the last couple months or so.

Wait and see.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on May 24, 2017, 03:18:35 pm
Too busy having the car stolen.  Too busy with the girlfriend.  Always time for fun. Never time to get better, faster, quicker. I've seen more than enough. Launch him to the CFL. Think West Virginia is cold?  Enjoy Calgary.  Also, there's a reason
why the Edmonton team is called the "Eskimos".
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2017, 04:57:27 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how folks get down on injured players like they are purposefully taking it easy.

First of all we don't know the extent of his injury:recovery or if he's even injured again. 

Most of these guys by nature are ultra competitive and when you throw in the money they can get on their next deal I just don't see why they would sit out on their own.

Let's see what happens before we plan a road trip to knee jerk city.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 24, 2017, 06:07:57 pm
The reason White hurt his leg in the first place was overworking and overtraining.

Isn't trying hard enough?  How do you know?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2017, 06:11:43 pm
Well something is wrong. When you need him he isn't to be found.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 24, 2017, 06:23:13 pm
And on the other end of the spectrum is Kyle Fuller, who could have come back and decided he didnt want to. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2017, 06:24:41 pm
One of my sleepers from last years undrafted FAs was Roy Robertson-Harris.  But he got injured and was placed (red-shirted) on IR.

Apparently he has bulked up to 285 and is now projected to DE.  Looking forward to seeing what he can do - Bears surely need depth at DE.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2017, 06:30:17 pm
Kyle Fuller played in all 32 games his first 2 years.  And all of a sudden doesn't want to play.

So you going to believe the Bears medical staff over the guy with the injury who has to line up against some of the fastest players in sports?

He's out there now - so we'll see.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2017, 10:08:20 pm
Woo who!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2017, 10:10:08 pm
More Dallas folly from Yahoo this time:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/mike-glennon-thinks-bears-2017-season-will-hes-probably-wrong-034608068.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 25, 2017, 12:30:24 am

All this Trubisky/Glennon talk is getting old.

How about some stories on these new free agent wideouts or  the kid from Oklahoma State?  Or maybe that TE we signed that played on the Dolphins last  year.

If Jaye Howard can come back I think are front 7 will be pretty formidable with Goldman and Hicks.  McPhee, Floyd, and a healthy Lamar Houston along with my favorite pass rusher Willie Young.


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 25, 2017, 05:17:18 am
Two quick hits...

Zac Zaidman reported on the score that one of the players he is interested in seeing is Robertson-Harris... as Dallas mentioned moving from linebacker to DE.  He went on to say he is 6'8".  Is that right?

I read a redraft of the 2016 1st round, several Bears were in the first round.  They had Leonard Floyd going to the Bears at 9 - exactly where we drafted him, Whitehair going at 16 (forgot what team), and Jordan Howard going to the Vikings at 23.  That was a nice haul.  I'll see if I can find and post the link.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2017, 09:55:52 am
If this proves true Dallas will throw tantrums and cry like a baby:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-if-mike-glennon-is-actually-a-good-qb-for-the-bears/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 25, 2017, 10:40:29 am
And no doubt you will be complaining.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 25, 2017, 11:56:39 am
Bears have cornered the market on hyphenated names.

Robertson-Harris was around 6-5 in college and Bears had him at 6-7 so he might still be growing.

He was a 4-3 DE in college so Bears may like him with his hand on the ground and more bulk.  I don't think he's a super pass rusher type so 3-4 DE might be his ideal spot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 25, 2017, 12:06:13 pm
NFL.com had a weird fantasy draft of skill offensive players.

Not into fantasy but noticed Alshon Jeffery was rated the 14th WR (28th overall).

He sure could have helped our QBs this year.  Right now we got a lot of #2 and #3 types.  Maybe someone breaks out.  Meridith could be that guy.

Bears also have a couple undrafted FAs to watch / the kid from OSU is very athletic and the kid from Wyoming too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 25, 2017, 01:44:46 pm
Well ok then:

Victor Cruz will be doing his salsa dancing in Chicago this year.

Cruz, the veteran wide receiver who has spent his entire career with the Giants, has agreed to terms with the Bears, according to multiple reports.

The 30-year-old Cruz was once among the NFL’s elite receivers, but he was plagued by injuries in 2014 and 2015, and although he made it through 2016 healthy, his production slipped significantly. The Bears, however, apparently think he has something left.

In Chicago, Cruz joins a receiver depth chart that also includes Kevin White, Markus Wheaton, Cameron Meredith, Kendall Wright and Rueben Randle.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 25, 2017, 03:17:55 pm
Not a surprising move by Pace.  Typical low risk 1 year deal though I don't know how much was guatenteed.

Bears add a potential solid #2 guy to go with their collection.

If Meridith or White break out things could be interesting.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 25, 2017, 04:30:16 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-agree-to-terms-with-Victor-Cruz/d7bc4d84-c6f8-4193-9735-aed2d849cb2c
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2017, 06:28:38 pm
Man am I glad to see that move. They had to do something because of White. I don't believe we can depend on him. IMHO he cant get on the field for very long if at all this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2017, 08:26:08 pm
From Biggs' mailbag:

Has anyone with the Bears acknowledged that even when Kevin White was healthy last year, he created zero separation? — @thinkkaz

I understand the frustration level the fan base has with White right now and my guess is the front office, coaches and White himself feel the same way. Everyone had huge expectations when he was drafted seventh overall and it’s been trying, especially for White, who has endured separate leg injuries. The first two seasons have essentially been lost and it’s up to the Bears to find out what White can do for new wide receivers coach Zach Azzanni, his third position coach in three years. The thing I heard at the start of last year and during preseason from scouts with other teams is that White was deficient as a route runner. That would create problems for him gaining separation in the NFL where sometimes getting open is a matter of a precise break at the top of the route.


In the NFL, if you cant get separation, you aren't worth much. So even were he practicing he probably wouldn't help the team much.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 25, 2017, 09:17:26 pm
Great pick great pick.....keep up the great drafting, Bears....yer knockin it out of the park....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 26, 2017, 10:32:44 am
I hope this works out:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/report-bears-to-sign-wr-victor-cruz/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 26, 2017, 02:40:58 pm



 At what point does Halas Hall take a blank check and wave it under Rusty Jones nose ?


 Drafting players that are soon to go on I.R. does not a good team make.


 We are famous for it and tired of it.  >:(


 Is there a more injured team then us since Rusty left ?


 N.E. sees Grontkowski injured ... but the rest of the team is left.


 BEARS see the whole team injured ... but Howard is left ...


 your'e probably seeing how this is not going to work out as a positive for us.  :o


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 26, 2017, 04:07:25 pm
Cruz's stats-

 
SEASON   TEAM    GP    REC    TGTS    YDS    AVG    LNG    TD   FD    FUM    LST
2011         NYG     16     82      131    1,536   18.7    99       9     59     1        1
2012         NYG     16     86     143     1,092   12.7    80      10    52     0        0
2013         NYG     14     73     123      998     13.7    70       4     45     1        1
2014         NYG      6      23      41       337     14.7    61       1     13     0        0
2015         Missed season, injured
2016         NYG     15     39      72       586     15.0    48       1     25     1        1

Yep, fits right in with the other has beens and injured. Welcome to the mash unit, Cruz! Take your seat on the bench!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 26, 2017, 06:02:12 pm
He played 15 games last season so he should be healthy...for now.

My question is if he retained enough of his speed/quickness.

He did average 15 yards a catch last year but you never know with these receivers and corners once they hit 30.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 27, 2017, 08:55:35 am
Some news that Dallas and maybe even Sporty will be happy about:

http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/surprise-name-impressing-chicago-bears-coaching-staff/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 27, 2017, 10:22:22 am
Sounds intriguing
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 27, 2017, 05:04:11 pm

There was a Trib article on  him the other day too.  He's gotten bigger over the off - season and is moving to 3-4 DE after playing 4-3 DE at UTEP.

He's everything you want athletically, (ran a 4.82 40),  but then again, so was Cornelius Washington, and he never really took off.

My only concern with Robertson-Harris was that his senior year at UTEP he recorded only 2.5 sacks over 12 games.  Which is  probably why he wasn't drafted.

If he can make the 3-4 rotation at DE I think the Bears will be happy but I'd like to see him play some DE in pads before I get too excited.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 29, 2017, 01:45:33 am
If I had a dollar for every player that's come through Halas with 'potential' that did absolutely nothing, I'd be a rich man. Gotta get it done on Sundays....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 29, 2017, 08:32:19 am
I'd like to see him play some DE in pads before I get too excited.

.....which is why I don't want to get too excited about Fuller either. He needs to prove he can get the job done.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 29, 2017, 02:32:17 pm



 What's going to be interesting is the addition of a TE & RB ,along with an OL man.


 To put a face on the values of what we believe is a team in turnaround.


 Along with a DB.


 There has to be exceptions to a turndown season in which all of us reflect ...


 that  ... WOW !! That was the wrong draft pick !


 September must see us as the right draft picks.


 Dig your heels in CHICAGO BEARS fans ...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 30, 2017, 03:47:44 am

.....which is why I don't want to get too excited about Fuller either. He needs to prove he can get the job done.

Fuller is a first round draft choice who played in every game his first 2 seasons and is coming off a knee injury.  Robertson-Harris is an undrafted free agent from UTEP also coming off an 'injury' but has never played a real NFL game.

Not exactly the same thing, but yeah both have to prove themselves...just as every NFL player coming off an injury has to including Sitton, Long, Miller, Houston, White, etc
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 30, 2017, 07:36:56 am
Excuses! First round draft pick? Poo poo. Ability is still a question to me .
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on May 30, 2017, 08:53:33 am
Fuller had his knee scoped in plenty of time for game one and then ended up missing the entire season.  I'm sure it's happened before, but this is the first instance of that that I'm aware of.

I don't expect or even hope for anything from Fuller.  He doesn't have the heart or drive to play that is needed, to the point where Dick Fangio publicly questioned his desire.  Surprised he's still around.  If he wasn't a former first round pick, he would have been gone a long time ago.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 30, 2017, 09:03:43 am
Bears cut Connor Shaw.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 30, 2017, 02:15:05 pm
Stelz

You ever had a knee operation?

I've had 3 and if your knee is not right you know it better than anyone else including a coach whose primary motivation is getting the best players on the field PERIOD.

Curtis Ennis and Tommie Harris both came back from knee injuries and were not the same player.  Guess they listened to their coaches too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 30, 2017, 03:27:30 pm
We have no choice but to see what Fuller does. I hope he comes back and plays like what we thought he was going to play like. Honestly? I don't have high hopes, but let's see..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 30, 2017, 05:49:06 pm
Mark Sanchez hurts knee, Bears hold onto Connor Shaw
Posted by Josh Alper on May 30, 2017, 6:14 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
Tuesday began with the Bears announcing that quarterback Connor Shaw was being waived to make room on the roster for wide receiver Victor Cruz.

It will end with Shaw still on the team’s roster. The Bears announced on Tuesday afternoon that they have rescinded their earlier move involving the quarterback and waived wide receiver Jhajuan Seales.

The reason for the shift was a need for a healthy quarterback for the rest of the offseason program. Mark Sanchez injured his knee during the team’s OTA practice on Tuesday and, per multiple reports, will be out for the rest of OTAs and June’s mandatory minicamp.

The Bears have Mike Glennon and first-round pick Mitchell Trubisky on hand, but obviously felt they’d rather have a third arm to work with during the rest of their offseason practices. Sanchez is expected back for training camp, which may make this a temporary stay of execution for Shaw but Tuesday’s events are a reminder that little is set in stone.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 30, 2017, 05:49:52 pm
Hopefully this means Sanchez eventually gets cut.  I would rather have Shaw.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 30, 2017, 06:48:57 pm
Ding, ding, ding. You betcha.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 30, 2017, 08:07:26 pm
Too bad - I wanted to see the Seales kid.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 31, 2017, 10:54:06 am
For those who have had knee surgeries:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/in-crucial-offseason-bears-cb-kyle-fuller-says-knee-is-back-healthy/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 31, 2017, 11:28:50 am
About our receiving group

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/its-gotta-happen-now-bears-kevin-white-eager-to-prove-hes-no-bust/:
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 31, 2017, 11:32:15 am
Like my dad used to say, "Talk is cheap, its action that counts." White has a lot to prove. The first of all is being able to stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 31, 2017, 12:11:08 pm
Staying healthy in the NFL is a crap shoot.

ANY player could go down at any time.  It's just unfortunate for White that he has had 2 season enders his first 2 years.

And don't be surprised if Fuller beats out Amukamara - both are on one year deals.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 31, 2017, 12:22:00 pm
Pulls and strains can be prevented.  The ankle injuries that claimed, White, Long, and Goldman were all not preventable, each were hurt in the pile and that tackle on White.

It will be interesting to see how Jeffrey does with the Eagles and if they can solve his pulls and strains issue.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 31, 2017, 02:25:11 pm
Here is a Shaw article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-mark-sanchez-injury-20170530-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on June 01, 2017, 08:49:51 am
http://sportsmockery.com/2017/06/elite-coaches-line-replace-john-fox/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on June 01, 2017, 09:43:26 am
Dallas,  Fuller's defensive coordinator Nick Fangio is known for speaking his mind and not varnishing the truth. At all.  In a league where coaches rarely give honest answers (look at John Fox...he wouldn't even admit that it was Thursday) Fangio's honesty gets him into trouble.  Fangio has ALL the inside information about Fuller's particular injury, all the medical reports and personally witnessed or had first person reports of Fuller's recovery and rehab.  Fangio, being in the business of coaching  in the NFL, has personally witnessed scores of guys coming back from similar injuries. 

Fangio has seen and lived it in his life and profession, and knows  what it takes to get back out on the field, ...and he doesn't think Fuller has it.  Whatever the particular details of Fuller's situation, I'm not looking for production from the former first round pick this year.

Fuller had some early successes...and then played mediocre at best...more like a 5th round pick.  Then he had his knee scoped and ended up missing an entire season, an eternity in the NFL. He's a bust.

I tore the meniscus in my left knee a couple years ago.  Just a tiny tear by MRI, it hurt like a son of a ****.  The knee would "pop" and feel like it was going to fall off.  It was the type that would eventually heal on its own, and after a year or so, it got better.  Its still not right...but I'm in my 50's and not an NFL player.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 01, 2017, 02:51:25 pm
Oh, but an NFL player can't wait a year for his knee to get better or else he's labeled as not having it.

Do you understand how much a cornerback (or a wide receiver/halfback) needs his legs to compete against some of the fastest players in organized pro sports?  What would you say if somebody questioned the pain you were feeling in your knee during that first year?

BTW, Adrian Peterson had a surgery for a meniscus tear in September and was supposed to be back in December to help the Vikings in their playoff drive.  But he never came back either.

Did Vic Fangio spout off that Peterson was dogging it too?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 01, 2017, 02:56:41 pm
I doubt Fangio cares much about Peterson
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 01, 2017, 02:57:42 pm
Won't be long, we can quit arguing over trivial stuff. The pads will be on and we'll have the real **** to argue about...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 01, 2017, 03:56:19 pm
Of course Fangio wouldn't say anything about a player on another team but I'd bet there were many in Viking land who questioned Petersons decision not to come back.  I mean these guys are rough and tough guys who are paid millions - they should be able to play with pain, right?

Actually the OTAs are showing that guys like Fuller and White are probably on their way to recovery. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 01, 2017, 04:16:51 pm



 Dal,


 Fuller & White are first round picks ...


 let's hope we didn't waste two.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 01, 2017, 04:23:26 pm
Amen, and God knows we have wasted plenty.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 01, 2017, 04:50:20 pm
Oh, but an NFL player can't wait a year for his knee to get better or else he's labeled as not having it.

Oh he can all right, however with the NFL sometimes a player can lose quickness as well as football instincts. Its a big risk. The burden of proof comes when the pads go on and you aren't playing against a teammate on the practice field. I have seen in other sports, especially the NBA, where a player just isn't the same after an injury. Like the saying goes, "Don't count your chickens before they are hatched" Likewise don't count on Fuller to play like a 1st round draft pick. Prime example of an NBA player after a routine scope....Joakim Noah.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 01, 2017, 07:24:37 pm
Cameron Meredith injures thumb at practice

Posted by Mike Florio on June 1, 2017, 7:02 PM EDT
 
The Bears notoriously restrict offseason injury information, among other things prohibiting their local media from reporting on injuries they witness at practice. So the Bears aren’t going to be happy that this one got out.

Receiver Cameron Meredith injured his thumb on Thursday, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. The injury means he’ll miss the rest of the offseason program. However, he’s expected to be ready for the start of training camp.

Meredith emerged last year as a real threat for the Chicago offense, with 66 catches for 888 yards and four touchdowns. He’s one of the best options on a depth chart that has seen the offseason departure of Alshon Jeffery.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 01, 2017, 07:26:08 pm
And so it begins already...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 01, 2017, 10:54:06 pm
The injury means he’ll miss the rest of the offseason program. However, he’s expected to be ready for the start of training camp.

I hope he's ready for the start of training camp or Dr. Fangio  might get upset.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on June 02, 2017, 01:02:50 am
Fuller wasn't even close to playing up to the level of his first round draft status BEFORE he missed an entire season after having his knee scoped.  He's a bust.  That pick is trash
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on June 02, 2017, 01:12:30 am
Its not a sweeping generalization at all:  There are cases where a guy is a great teammate and working his ass off to get back on the field with all the heart and determination of a champion, inspiring to his teammates and still being a leader....but his injury caused him to miss an entire year.  The surgery might not have gone well...any number of things could happen or go wrong that would keep a guy out.  A guy like Fangio would take note and not question his heart or desire to play the game the way he did with Fuller. 

the comments only apply to Fuller.  Other than the fact that missing an entire year is an eternity in the NFL
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 02, 2017, 05:09:41 am
I would agree that Fuller wasn't playing well before the injury. Rookie season he looked like the real deal, after that, not so much..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 02, 2017, 05:49:24 am
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/5/30/15691418/chicago-bears-brandon-marshall-trade-looks-genius-for-in-hindsight-new-york-jets-giants

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 02, 2017, 08:51:58 am
It's pathetic that trading Marshall is considered a 'genius' move by the Bears. No, a 'genius move' by the Bears would be trading a non-factor player for a true playmaker that actually makes a impact. Amos ain't that player drafted. It was simply a roster move and a few here thought it was a foolish one. Bears are still a floundering team regardless....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 02, 2017, 10:09:06 am
Yes, their Safety situation is horrible. Had Amos been a superstar, I could see the situation as a win, but to say how great it is now is a really bad stretch.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 02, 2017, 11:09:07 am
Dallas isn't going to like this, from Brad Biggs' mailbag:

Is Kyle Fuller officially a bust? I don't even read his name in most articles discussing the defensive back situation. — @bjjwhitebelt77

You can probably place whatever label you want to on Fuller, the first-round pick in 2014, at this point. I don’t see him challenging for a starting position on this roster with Marcus Cooper and Prince Amukamara ahead of him. The good thing is Fuller is back on the field after missing all last season with a minor knee injury. He clearly fell out of favor with defensive coordinator Vic Fangio last season and it could be an uphill climb for Fuller to make the 53-man roster this season.


.....first round draft pick or 7th round draft pick.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 02, 2017, 08:45:46 pm
I rarely agree with sportswriters but go ahead.

Fuller being a past first round choice isn't in the equation.   Sunk cost.  Pace has nothing invested in him since he didn't draft him.

I have no idea why Fuller would just take a year off other than well, he actually felt he couldn't contribute.

But at this point Bears got to go with their best corners regardless of draft position or injury history.  Fangio just needs to put last year behind and line up his best 3 or 4 corners. 

Everyone points out that Fuller in 2015 wasn't that great - he was the best the Bears had.  Recall we had no pass rush and poor safety play - that also factors into the equation.  I'd like to see the PFF rating for Fuller for '14 and '15 - I think it would surprise some of you.

Fuller may not be the best cornerback on the Bears now but I'd bet he will give the Prince a run for his money.  The fact that he's out there now doing 75% of what a cornerback does in a real game (which BTW is run and cover wide receivers for those that don't know what corners do) is a good sign.

A lot of you here really get down on guys that are injured.  I have no idea why.  Anyway, you'll have lots of fun this summer slamming McPhee, Trevathian, Sitton, Long, Young, Howard, Houston, Goldman,  and oh yeah, your favorite whipping boy Fuller.  And let's add Kevin White and maybe Cameron Meridith to that list too.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 02, 2017, 11:14:26 pm



 

A lot of you here really get down on guys that are injured.  I have no idea why.  Anyway, you'll have lots of fun this summer slamming McPhee, Trevathian, Sitton, Long, Young, Howard, Houston, Goldman,  and oh yeah, your favorite whipping boy Fuller.  And let's add Kevin White and maybe Cameron Meridith to that list too.




 Dal,


 I edited your post ... are you saying these guys are already injured ?


 That's a long list .

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 02, 2017, 11:53:06 pm

They are all coming off injuries...most of them were put on IR.  Willie Young wasn't but he wasn't the same player in the 2nd half.

Trevathian is the guy with the longest road to recovery and there is talk he will go on the PUP list.  I'm pretty sure Long isn't 100% right now.  I think the others should be good to go this summer when those pads go on and they all have to prove themselves.

And I forgot Grasu and the TE Miller...both were also IRd.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 03, 2017, 12:41:22 am



 
They are all coming off injuries...most of them were put on IR.  Willie Young wasn't but he wasn't the same player in the 2nd half.

Trevathian is the guy with the longest road to recovery and there is talk he will go on the PUP list.  I'm pretty sure Long isn't 100% right now.  I think the others should be good to go this summer when those pads go on and they all have to prove themselves.

And I forgot Grasu and the TE Miller...both were also IRd.

 Dal,


 Is HALAS HALL aware that the TEAM is not able to play ?


 RUPTURED DUCKS  are a joke ... but not when it comes to CHICAGO BEARS !
 

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 03, 2017, 11:30:01 am
Brandon Marshall was a disruption on a bad football team. It's the same everywhere he plays. Marshall works hard the first year (or so), then he starts his crybaby act. Good riddance to the d!ckhead. I understood the move then, and still do. The way I see it, the unfortunate thing is there was some fallout with Alshon. Brandon and Alshon were friends, I think it p!ssed him off when they got rid of Brandon. It will be interesting to see if Alshon can stay healthy..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 03, 2017, 11:43:39 am
I hope like hell Kevin White can show something this year. With that said, I'm really hoping we have a solid ground game. If you can run the ball it opens the rest of the game up. We need to be able to control the clock better and keep the other teams offense off the field.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 03, 2017, 01:25:44 pm
Eagles are very happy with what they've seen so far from Jeffrey - he could put up some good numbers with that ioffense but yeah, he's got to be injury free.

Also read sonething about Miami's Gase regretting losing TE Sims - lots of talk about our rookie TE but I'm also  looking forward to seeing Sims.  Bears have a bunch of TEs - don't be surprised if they keep 4 and PS another one.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 03, 2017, 01:56:34 pm
Bears had a lot of success running off left tackle last year.
Not sure why from watching the occasional replay but it looks like Sitton was good at sealing off the interior and Leno blocking out the end.
That was with the blocking TE they already cut, so possibly even better with Sims.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 03, 2017, 03:49:17 pm
The Bears couldn't have cut Paulsen fast enough for me. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 03, 2017, 05:55:30 pm
I think we were 17th in the league running the ball. I'd like to see us break the top ten. Hopefully we can cut down on the 3 and outs and the 3rd and longs..

If the Bears suck again this year, could be crisis time... We no longer have Cutler to be everyone's whipping boy.. If we do suck, I hope they put Trubinsky in to get some playing time..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 04, 2017, 01:38:54 pm



 No matter who is DA BEARS QB ...


 is a two T.E. mix going to be normal ?


 Why else would we draft one that high ?


 Can two T.E.'s and Howard slow the game down that we can go air ball,


 and let it loose when the QB sees the WR's open for a quick strike ?


T.E.'s are unique in the role they play ... Blockers ... Receivers .


 And who are those WR's that benefit from T.E.'s ?


 Name names .


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 09, 2017, 08:37:51 pm
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/6/9/15768982/chicago-bears-zach-miller-shaky-future-adam-shaheen-dion-sims-ryan-pace-mitchell-trubisky-nfl-2017
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 11, 2017, 03:02:15 pm



 Nice (but sad) post about Miller Hiber ... it sez it all.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 11, 2017, 08:04:29 pm
My opinion is Miller is the best TE until I see differently.

I am excited to see what Sims can do and Shaheen is a total unknown.  Could see the Bears keeping  4 as I like Brown and Braunecker too. Glad they cut Paulson.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 11, 2017, 08:27:34 pm
If Miller stays healthy and is performing he will be alright.  However if he gets hurt again there will be others to step up.

I watched a few snippets of the Titans/Bears game today on NFLN.  Lots of young talent but they kept stepping on their own dicks.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 11, 2017, 08:52:45 pm
Miller probably is in his last year with Bears at best.  Writing is on the wall.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 12, 2017, 05:27:55 am
I think it depends on health and production..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 12, 2017, 09:48:51 am
agreed
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 12, 2017, 08:55:03 pm
Came across this excerpt on former Bear Doug Atkins.  A few years before my time.

In 1963 when the Bears won the NFL title, defensive coordinator George Allen turned Atkins loose, simply asking him, "Doug, where do you want to line up?"

"No question he was the strongest man in the world," safety Richie Petitbon said. "When he wanted to play, nobody could block him. In that year (1963), I think he knocked out eight quarterbacks. I mean they left the field, babe."

Fullback Rick Casares once said: "We used to hope that somebody would hold him. The next play you would see guys flying around like King Kong had gotten ahold of them. Awesome. I've seen him grab a tackle by the shoulder pads and just flip him over like a doll, then come in on a back that weighed 225 pounds without breaking stride and hit him in the chest, knock him over on his back, reach over, grab the quarterback by the shoulder pads and throw him down with one arm."
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on June 13, 2017, 08:38:14 am
Doug Atkins video>  Geez, 17 years in the NFL, one of the best pass rushers of all time at that point...and he's limping thru a grocery store, delivering beer from a truck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlHkwS7fJAk
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: rjzebra on June 13, 2017, 09:25:39 am
Doug Atkins...Tennessee Vol.  One of my all time favorites and a real Bear.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on June 13, 2017, 08:11:57 pm
I loved Hampton and Dent.  But Atkins is the best defensive lineman that I have ever seen.  Not even close.

But I am surprised that he had been able to hold any type of job after football.  He was crazy.  Not cute crazy.  Not quaint crazy.  Dangerous crazy.  A great many stories circulated about him among his team mates.  The most interesting perhaps is that he always carried a pistol wherever he traveled.   In the dorm rooms they lived in in training camp, no one wanted to be in the room above him.  In the evening, he would sit in his room getting drunk, and on several occasions, he would take his pistol and fire it into the ceiling above his head.  Petitbon was nearly hit on more than one occasion, and when he went to George Halas to complain, the solution Halas implemented was to make a rule that only rookies could be put in the room above Atkins.

He was crazy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 13, 2017, 09:43:54 pm
Great story.
I have a black and white framed photograph of Butkus but right next to him is #81...and also Fran Tarkenton who is about to be crushed.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on June 15, 2017, 09:12:05 am
Quote
But I am surprised that he had been able to hold any type of job after football.  He was crazy.  Not cute crazy.  Not quaint crazy.  Dangerous crazy.  A great many stories circulated about him among his team mates.  The most interesting perhaps is that he always carried a pistol wherever he traveled.   In the dorm rooms they lived in in training camp, no one wanted to be in the room above him.  In the evening, he would sit in his room getting drunk, and on several occasions, he would take his pistol and fire it into the ceiling above his head.  Petitbon was nearly hit on more than one occasion, and when he went to George Halas to complain, the solution Halas implemented was to make a rule that only rookies could be put in the room above Atkins.

Its sad but it sounds almost like an "urban myth" but I'm still laughing my butt off..... :)

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 15, 2017, 07:12:29 pm
http://chi.247sports.com/Bolt/Tarik-Cohen-was-extremely-noticeable-at-Bears-minicamp-53192598
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on June 17, 2017, 10:16:58 am
Its sad but it sounds almost like an "urban myth" but I'm still laughing my butt off..... :)

I agree.  It is almost certainly embellished at the very least, particularly the part of the rookies.  I have no idea if it is accurate or not, but it is what I heard in an interview with Richie Petitbon and another team mate years ago.

But I think the overall point is valid.  Atkins was crazy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: rjzebra on June 17, 2017, 10:47:41 am
Adkins may be crazy but when he played he was crazy good.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 17, 2017, 11:51:01 am
There is some good stuff here and something that could make the Bears better than the experts think they will be.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/instant-impact-bears-see-adam-shaheen-tarik-cohen-as-day-1-players/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 17, 2017, 08:21:21 pm



 Wsh,


 Let's hope about those draft picks .  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 17, 2017, 08:37:28 pm
Yeah Pace got a lot of criticism on his draft.  However it may turn out really well.  He went for some guys that have some really special skill sets.  I think we may have had a much better draft than we got credit for.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 17, 2017, 09:00:24 pm
The big guy Shaheen is the one I have my eye on. Last year Dallas picked up on a basketball player with size I fell in love with. Shaheen fits the same mold. I have very high hopes for him. If he is all they say and has the ability he seems to have we just may have solved our TE situation for years. I cant wait to see him play. I sure hope they teach him to block.

The diminutive RB is the one I fear. One big crunch and there goes the career.  You almost want to cringe when he touches the ball. "Will he be killed on this play?"

Shaheen reminds me of some of the oldtime players of days gone bye. You cant just grow football players that size.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 17, 2017, 11:50:55 pm

Shaheen is about the size of Martellus Bennett.  But there are plenty of 6-6 TEs in the NFL so I can't say that I'm all that excited about his size.

However, I was impressed with Freeman's comments about him so that's a start.

BTW, how come there is all this secrecy about what goes on during the OTAs? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on June 18, 2017, 07:36:23 am
I am looking forward to seeing Shaheen, Cohen and Jackson play.  And some news reporters are already saying Trubisky is going to beat out Glennon for the start of the season.  Whoa, take it easy guys. If he does he will have to earn it, or Glennon will really have to suuck. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2017, 04:21:33 pm
When you're coming  off  a 3 win season all jobs must be earned - even with the veteran starters coming off injury.

Pace"s comments about it being Glennon's team are out of respect for Glennon and to reduce pressure and attention on Trubisky.  But that won't last long if Glennon fails early on.

My concern is whether our wideouts are good enough to make either QB succeed.  And of course there will be focus on the 2 tackles - who both are average but the weak spots on the O-line.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 18, 2017, 04:25:53 pm
From what I have read Glennon did not look good in OTA's.  I suspect that is why the reporters are saying Trubisky will win the job.

If Glennon can't look good in shorts with no live rush when will he look good?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2017, 05:07:59 pm
Shaheen is about the size of Martellus Bennett.  But there are plenty of 6-6 TEs in the NFL so I can't say that I'm all that excited about his size.

I didn't believe the size comparisons till I looked it up. I didn't believe Bennett was that stout.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on June 18, 2017, 05:52:17 pm
I dont think the Bears are really going to do anything great this year, but I will watch, and hope and cheer.  I am thinking next year that is when we will kick some asssss.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 18, 2017, 05:59:09 pm
The difference being Bennett didn't or couldn't run. 

Shaheen will have fresh legs for separation.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 18, 2017, 06:08:05 pm
Just looking at tape Shaheen appears much faster and quicker then Bennett.  Plus hopefully he isn't the headcase Bennett was.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2017, 06:57:56 pm
I'll give you that Bennett was a head case but after the catch he would always get extra yards.  He was also a red zone threat and not a liability as a blocker.

Look at Bennetts career stats before you slam him and prematurely anoint Shaheen as the next Mike Ditka.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2017, 07:14:23 pm
That was who I was beginning to look at as a comparison, but even Ditka was never 6'6 and 275. However, Shaheen could end up if he stays healthy enough to rival Ditka's Bear career. Time will tell, putting the cart before the horse I was. At least he could end up as the best TE we've had since Ditka.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 19, 2017, 09:51:57 am
This is crazy but they are already mocking 2018 and nobody has played a down in 2017. They have the Bears drafting #11, which doesn't shock me. My guess is top 10 but 11 is close enough.

http://nflmocks.com/2017/06/18/2018-nfl-mock-draft-jets-successfully-suck-for-sam/11/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 19, 2017, 10:16:39 am
Geez redskins, bills, eagles, saint bengals all drafting top 10.
The race for first pick will be jets and 9ers.  jets have dumped their good veterans so will tank this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 19, 2017, 10:19:54 am
I have 2 Bear progress reports to post. Here is the first:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/patrick-finley-analyzing-the-bears-after-their-offseason-program/amp/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 19, 2017, 10:23:18 am
Here is the 2nd:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/adam-l-jahns-analyzing-the-bears-after-their-offseason-program/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on June 19, 2017, 08:03:24 pm
Bennett was a head case, but the Bears were a better team when he was on the field.  Hopefully, Shaheen will be as good or better on the field and not detrimental when he is off the field.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on June 20, 2017, 09:18:50 am
So, according to that mock, we're taking a LT at 11 that isn't good enough to play LT for his shitty college team?

Really?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 20, 2017, 09:36:42 am
Sounds like the Bears.... ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 20, 2017, 09:59:06 am
That better change.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 20, 2017, 10:08:07 am
It will....they'll be drafting higher than 11. Anywhere from 1st to 7th....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 20, 2017, 03:37:14 pm
They sure will need to be higher than #11.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 20, 2017, 05:35:29 pm
You guys remind me of a couple of depressed old men on a park bench.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 20, 2017, 08:23:04 pm
So by comparison what does that say about yours?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 21, 2017, 08:26:02 am
So by comparison what does that say about yours?

My what?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 21, 2017, 09:31:08 am
What it says about you by comparison, a 2 year old child with his thumb in his mouth?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 21, 2017, 09:58:01 am
Geez wishful take a joke, I was just kidding.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 21, 2017, 03:06:01 pm
My what, lol. I was wondering that, too lol. Yeah, I am absolutely pessimistic about this team anymore. They've just been so incompetent, so blundering, and stuck in fail mode so long that to see any hope is beyond me presently. I honestly, really do not see hope for them this year or even into the near future. Used to be you could look at a team and say yeah they've got some players and they're gonna make some very serious noise, but anymore it's such a homogenized league. There are a few very good teams and then a huge mess of mediocrity and a base of incompetence like the Bears. Just don't have time for it anymore.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 21, 2017, 03:33:09 pm
Sorry I wasn't in a very good mood and took that the wrong way. I just think its childish to name call. And we have two over at the political thread that are good at demeaning other posters.

As for the Bears, yes unless certain players step up and the injury bug doesn't bite us in the butt again, we don't look very good again. And NO, that doesn't make me happy, nor should it. I believe we all want the Bears to return to greatness again.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 21, 2017, 04:01:27 pm
Saying you guys remind me of a couple of old men on a park bench isn't name calling.

I apologize if you're offended, not what I meant to do.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 21, 2017, 04:24:56 pm
Actually you said depressed old men on a park bench.

Didn't offend me because I don't frequent park benches.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 21, 2017, 04:58:26 pm
Just had to toss a match, didn't you.

For those who haven't seen Trubisky play, here is video of his (so I've read) worst game.

You can see the talent and the need for more experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnU6FEPBxg
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 21, 2017, 11:27:50 pm

It wasn't his worst game.  He had a couple of costly  picks but he also bounced back and led his team on a 96 yard TD drive that put them within 2 with 25 seconds left. 

Then got sacked on the two point conversion by Solomon Thomas who went unblocked.

Yeah, I saw the talent but you only get experience by playing
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 21, 2017, 11:30:05 pm

Read that Marques Wilson signed with the Jets.  I'd have liked to see him back with the Bears - last year when he was healthy (which wasn't very often) he was productive.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on June 22, 2017, 07:36:19 pm
Damn! can't the Bear move the needle at all? Nothing but oodles of blah.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 23, 2017, 05:23:40 am
I'm in!

It's been 14 years since I was last at training camp.  Just read the training camp schedule on the trib and saw you need to book your camp tickets online - they're free.  Got tickets for the first weekend in full pads July 29 and 30, staying in Bourbonnais at the Magnuson - Can't wait!!!

In 2003, we bought a 2003 Ford Escape brand new with 3 miles on the odometer.  Earlier this week, sold the Escape with 186 K.  So just realized it had been 14 years since we hadn't been back since.  Damn!  Bear down!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 23, 2017, 11:20:40 am
Read that Marques Wilson signed with the Jets.  I'd have liked to see him back with the Bears - last year when he was healthy (which wasn't very often) he was productive.

Yep, we could've used him, considering the state of the receiving corp... Think back when we had Alshon, Brandon and drafted white... WTH happened?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 29, 2017, 10:38:28 am
Hey we are 26th:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tom-brady-matt-ryan-ranking-every-nfl-teams-quarterback-situation-185432048.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 29, 2017, 08:55:02 pm
here' an article on the type of run I had discussed the Bears are good at, usually seems to be to Leno's side so have to give him some credit

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/06/29/bears-offensive-line-excelled-at-blocking-one-type-of-run-in-particular/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 01, 2017, 11:06:45 am
Well I realize this is the time for it but this certainly qualifies as fluff. Old saying, "Seeing is believing".  Untill I see it, I wont believe it.

http://nflmocks.com/2017/06/30/chicago-bears-5-bold-predictions-2017-season/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 01, 2017, 07:41:39 pm
Good to hear about Bullard.  As a gator fan I thought he would make his presence felt year 1 and was surprised that he did not.  I am hopeful for year two.  He definitely can disrupt a backfield when healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 01, 2017, 10:38:34 pm
I just feel Bullard doesn't have the bulk to be disruptive, but beings he has enlisted the help of a good pass rusher to teach him more techniques maybe there is still hope for him. I am not a fan of undersized defensive linemen. They are productive in college but everybody is bigger and faster in the pros.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 01, 2017, 11:54:03 pm
I never thought of Alex Brown as a good pass rusher.  He was good guy and team mate.  Just an average football player. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 07, 2017, 10:38:41 pm



 What the fuuck have we inherited ?


 We are talkin CHICAGO GODAMN MOTHERFUUCKING CHICAGO BEARS.


 Not something in a nutshell ... but fluid dynamics ... changing ever ...


 that which is known but not known ... a situation which is not known ...


 but is easily solved concerning any opponent ... but is unknown again.


 FUUCKING VICTORY ... WHY ?


 Because it's fun.


 That's CHICAGO BEARS baby !!


 I WANT MY MOTHERFUUCKIN BEARRSSE BACK !!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 08, 2017, 05:52:55 am
20 days...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 11, 2017, 11:37:02 am
PFT preseason power rankings No. 30: Chicago Bears
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 11, 2017, 8:12 AM EDT
 
Quarterback is such an important position in the NFL that it’s almost impossible to overpay for a good one. But the biggest question facing the Bears heading into the 2017 season is whether they overpaid for two bad ones.

The twin surprising decisions to sign Mike Glennon to a three-year, $45 million contract and then to trade up to the second overall pick and draft Mitchell Trubisky have led to a great deal of scrutiny on the Bears. If Chicago had just spent the $6 million or so it would have taken to retain Brian Hoyer for another year, and the $2 million or so it would have taken to retain Matt Barkley for another year, and then drafted Trubisky with the third overall pick instead of trading up to second overall, there wouldn’t be nearly as much scrutiny.

But the Bears apparently think that by taking chances on Glennon and Trubisky, they’re likely to find that one of them is the long-term answer at quarterback. That will likely mean Glennon starting at first and Trubisky getting every opportunity to supplant him at some point during the season. If one of the quarterbacks shows promise this season, great. If not, the Bears are in big trouble.

Biggest positive change: The Bears will be healthier this year. How do we know that? Because they had so many injuries last year that they simply have to be healthier this year. FootballOutsiders.com uses a statistic called Adjusted Games Lost that factors in not just how many players missed games but how important those players were (so a starter missing time hurts more than a backup missing time), and how many players were ineffective because they were playing through injuries that had them listed as questionable on the injury report. Football Outsiders injury data goes back to 2000, and in that time no team was hit worse by injuries than the 2016 Bears. Regression toward the mean suggests that the Bears will be much healthier in 2017.

Biggest negative change: The biggest negative change, really, is not much change at all: The Bears were 3-13 last year, and it’s hard to see where they’ve really improved significantly. The players they have should be healthier than last year, but is the talent any better? It doesn’t look that way, which is why it’s easy to envision another last-place finish in the NFC North.

Coaching thermometer: John Fox’s seat isn’t exactly a boiling 212 degrees, but it’s probably around 175: He was brought in to replace Marc Trestman, who was fired after going 13-19 in two seasons, and Fox himself has done even worse, going 9-23 in two seasons. If the Bears aren’t showing signs of improvement at the end of the season, Fox may be sent packing.

We’d like to crack a beer with . . . Jordan Howard. We’d like to get a beer or two in Howard and hear whether he’s envious at all of Ezekiel Elliott for being drafted into a much better situation than Howard was. As a rookie running back in Chicago last year, Howard finished second in the NFL in rushing yards, behind only Elliott. Yet Elliott was doing it on a good team, behind perhaps the league’s best offensive line, while Howard was doing it on a lousy team in Chicago. If Howard thinks he deserves a lot of the credit Elliott is getting (not to mention something more like Elliott’s four-year, $25 million rookie contract, as opposed to Howard’s four-year, $2.6 million contract), it would be hard to blame him.

How they can prove us wrong: If either Glennon or Trubisky emerges as a good starting quarterback, Howard has another strong season and Fox gets his defense shaped up, it’s easy to see a healthier Bears team being a lot better than our No. 30 ranking suggests. But even if the Bears improve significantly, they’re likely to miss the playoffs for the seventh straight season.
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Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 11, 2017, 03:51:02 pm
Thx for that horrific, if probably accurate assessment. Pace may end up with the all time record of getting not one, but TWO football players worse than Jonathan Quinn.  Two.  That takes talent to be able to do that. I really hope I'm wrong.
I, 46 pledge to the board I will drink several cold beers as penance if wrong and also give up sobriety for lent. Somebody has to do it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 11, 2017, 05:57:58 pm



 Duck/46,


 Guess there's no need to be pisssed off about anything anymore.


 It's time to show up in training season and see who's got the juice.


 In the end it's not about how the player's kill ...


 but about how they eat that kill.


 In 2017 any BEARRSSE player walking off the field gnawing on a bone of


 any opponent should be kept on the TEAM.


 That kind of commitment should be automatic to any CHICAGO BEARS player.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 11, 2017, 07:05:52 pm
46 let me be the optimist and say here.  What if just what if Pace gets them both right.  A year from now he trades Mike Glennon for two first round draft picks and Trubisky turns out to be the franchise QB that the Bears have never had??
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 11, 2017, 07:15:59 pm
LOL!  I like the way you think!

However odds are Glennon will have some good games but in general be mediocre.  He will eventually get hurt or be ineffective and they will turn to Tribusky.  He will show flashes but will have his share of rookie mistakes.

But who knows anything can happen.  I will watch every game looking fro improvement.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 11, 2017, 08:24:01 pm
Well then that would probably be a pretty successful season.

If Glennon is mediocre then he's better than what we've had.  i doubt many fans believe he's going to the be a SB quarterback.

If Trubisky shows some ability then there's hope for next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 11, 2017, 09:15:51 pm
Yeah it would be a start.  Kind of sick of looking forward to next year but let's see what happens and hope for the best.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 11, 2017, 11:45:31 pm

The twin surprising decisions to sign Mike Glennon to a three-year, $45 million contract and then to trade up to the second overall pick and draft Mitchell Trubisky have led to a great deal of scrutiny on the Bears. If Chicago had just spent the $6 million or so it would have taken to retain Brian Hoyer for another year, and the $2 million or so it would have taken to retain Matt Barkley for another year, and then drafted Trubisky with the third overall pick instead of trading up to second overall, there wouldn’t be nearly as much scrutiny.

I'm sure Beardom would have been overjoyed if they had re-signed Hoyer and Barkley.  For what reason?  To save cap?  We got plenty of cap.   I can't say I was thrilled about the Glennon signing but he is a better option than those 2 guys.
 
And there was no guarantee that Trubisky would have been there at 3 if Pace sat on his hands.  The 49ers would have found another partner.

If Glennon has a great year - Pace will be second guessed (why give up all those draft picks for Trubisky).  If Glennon falters and Trubisky shines (why did we sign Glennon to that big contract?).  God help him if both fail - he'll be fired.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 11, 2017, 11:48:58 pm

I'm in no rush to fast forward to 2018.  Looking forward to 2017 - bring it on.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 12, 2017, 06:23:39 am
Yeah it would be a start.  Kind of sick of looking forward to next year but let's see what happens and hope for the best.

I agree about looking forward part, BUT at least I have hope that things will get better.  Seriously how many HOPED that Cutler would get better each year?  He didnt, for various reasons.  Mostly between his ears in my opinion.  But I have HOPE that Glennon/Trubisky will perform in the non-dunderhead manner.  Now if they have WRs drop passes, and the OL cant block, ok.  But if they start throwing passes into the dirt in front of an open WR, then I will lose hope. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 12, 2017, 08:24:46 am
I am looking forward to this season as well with the QB reset, an improving defense, Shaheen, Jackson, Cohen, Howard, Floyd etc.  Like every season though, it all comes down to injuries.  I miss Rusty.

OTOH, 1-3/0-4 start looks probable (Dirt Birds, Bucs, Steel, and Puke are pretty tough). 

And I see Fox/Loggains as uninspiring dead ends with Fangio already sticking one foot out the door.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 12, 2017, 04:41:03 pm
 I too am looking forward to this year,at least until the 6th game whereby I will start scouring next years draft class.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 14, 2017, 05:41:20 am
I'm sure Beardom would have been overjoyed if they had re-signed Hoyer and Barkley.  For what reason?  To save cap?  We got plenty of cap.   I can't say I was thrilled about the Glennon signing but he is a better option than those 2 guys.
 
And there was no guarantee that Trubisky would have been there at 3 if Pace sat on his hands.  The 49ers would have found another partner.

If Glennon has a great year - Pace will be second guessed (why give up all those draft picks for Trubisky).  If Glennon falters and Trubisky shines (why did we sign Glennon to that big contract?).  God help him if both fail - he'll be fired.

And I'll say this again.  Cleveland wanted Trubiskey, but they also wanted Garrett.  They were hoping to get both, and the rolled the dice they could trade back up for Trubiskey.  The trade insured we would get Trubiskey at 2.  Now whether Pace is right about Trubiskey is another question, but he clearly coveted Trubiskey.  Have to appreciate his conviction to get it done.

The Bears were getting calls on their pick right up to the point they made the pick, and once they did the 49ers phone did not ring when they were at 3.  What does that say?  Trubiskey was what those phones were ringing for.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 14, 2017, 05:44:42 am
I am looking forward to this season as well with the QB reset, an improving defense, Shaheen, Jackson, Cohen, Howard, Floyd etc.  Like every season though, it all comes down to injuries.  I miss Rusty.

OTOH, 1-3/0-4 start looks probable (Dirt Birds, Bucs, Steel, and Puke are pretty tough). 

And I see Fox/Loggains as uninspiring dead ends with Fangio already sticking one foot out the door.

I would be interested to know if there is a stat on training type of injuries(strains, pulls, etc), versus those that occur in the pile?  Long and Goldman off the top of my head were engaged with other players when someone fell on their legs - completely unavoidable.  I think you have to scrape those injuries off of the stats because no training could prevent that.  How many of our injuries were of that variety?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 14, 2017, 09:13:05 am
This is interesting:

http://nflmocks.com/2017/07/13/chicago-bears-stat-day-jordan-howard-drops/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 15, 2017, 01:30:19 am



 FUUCK Glennon & Trubisky ...


 if there is no OFFENSIVE LINE to take care of either they are going down ...


 lets see what shows up in training camp to protect these cherry's.


 Give me a PRODUCTIVE OFFENSIVE LINE ...


 I'll give you a CHICAGO BEARS QUARTERBACK ...


 that has a halfway decent chance of being relevant.


 LINEMEN ... both sides of the ball.


 Build the ...  :D   ;D   :o   :P   :-*


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 19, 2017, 01:03:44 pm
let the good times roll:

If there’s a first-round holdout in 2017, it won’t be happening in Chicago.

The Bears have announced that quarterback Mitchell Trubisky has signed his rookie contract. Which means that six of the top 10 picks are signed.

Trubisky will receive a slotted deal worth somewhere around $28 million over four years, fully guaranteed. The big questions regarding terms will be: (1) cash flow, specifically as to payment of the signing bonus; and (2) whether the contract will include offset language as to the guarantees.

The Bears gave up a pair of third-round picks and a fourth-round pick to move from No. 3 to No. 2 in the draft, which allowed them to get Trubisky. Now the question becomes whether he’ll get to play in 2017, and if not whether he’ll be the Week One starter in 2018.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 20, 2017, 02:23:12 pm
Interesting read:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/the-10-most-important-bears-players-for-a-successful-2017-season/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 24, 2017, 12:00:32 pm
Brisket Taco??

http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/07/24/jerrell-freeman-saves-choking-man-heimlich-maneuver/

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 24, 2017, 12:04:32 pm
Mmmmm brisket taco.......
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 24, 2017, 05:25:25 pm



 Can brisket taco's be added to the menu at Halas Hall so that ...


 CHICAGO BEARS players know how to be CHICAGO BEARS players ?


 I'd gamblle at anything at this point in time.


 How would you set up an OFFENSE with TWO QB's ...


 THREE RB's ...


 and a monster TE ?


 And who the fuuck knows what at WR ?


 Is there an OFFENSIVE LINE to hold it together ?


 That's your CHICAGO BEARS baby.


 A question mark ... encased in a mystery ... surrounded by an enigma.


 Thank you Winston Churchill.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2017, 07:13:17 pm
Interesting, since TC opens up tomorrow:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/handicapping-which-bears-defenders-will-make-the-53-man-roster/

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/projecting-which-offensive-players-make-the-bears-53-man-roster/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 24, 2017, 09:49:16 pm
Hard to figure Timu is on the camp roster.  And Bellamy as a "lock?"  He can't catch, but is a good special teams player.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 26, 2017, 06:12:56 pm

My defense prediction:

3-4 Lineman - They’ll likely keep: 6

 Eddie Goldman, Akiem Hicks, Jonathan Bullard
 Jaye Howard, John Jenkins, Roy Robertson-Harris

Comment:  CJ Wilson is a journeyman but had a solid season could replace Roy-Rob if he can't handle new 3-4 DE position

Darkhorse:  Rashaad Coward,


Outside linebackers - They’ll likely keep: 5

Leonard Floyd, Pernell McPhee, Willie Young
Lamarr Houston, Sam Acho

(Acho can't rush the passer but is great on STs and against the run - maybe they keep 4 and Christian Jones is the swing LB)

Inside linebackers - They’ll likely keep: 4

They’re in: Danny Trevathan, Jerrell Freeman, Nick Kwiatkoski
Christian Jones
(Jonathan Anderson makes the team over Timu until Trevathan comes off PUP)

Cornerbacks - They’ll likely keep: 5

They’re in: Prince Amukamara, Marcus Cooper

Bryce Callahan, Cre’Von LeBlanc, Kyle Fuller,  B.W. Webb

(I think the Bears keep 6)

Safeties - They’ll likely keep: 5

Adrian Amos, Quintin Demps, Eddie Jackson
Deiondre Hall, Deon Bush

(DeAndre Houston-Carson on the PS)


Specialists 0They’ll likely keep: 3

K Connor Barth, P Pat O’Donnell, LS Patrick Scales



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 26, 2017, 08:31:41 pm
Is Kevin White injured yet?

(Someone had to say it)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2017, 09:27:26 am
"Both Goldman and Bush will participate in a light practice Friday that will be closed to the public. The Bears made such schedule changes with a nod toward health; they won’t wear pads more than two days at any point during this year’s camp."

This is not what I want to hear. No strain, no pain. Then all 53 go on IR after the first game.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/pernell-mcphee-out-bears-already-dealing-with-familiar-injury-woes/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 28, 2017, 09:37:17 am

And for the glass half-full crowd:

The Bears were confident they’d dodged some bullets Wednesday when guard Kyle Long (surgery, right ankle), linebacker Danny Trevathan (ruptured patellar tendon, right knee) and tight end Zach Miller (surgery, right foot) all emerged from their physicals ready to practice.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2017, 11:05:16 am
again......without pads. Touch me not football.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 28, 2017, 02:11:13 pm
Doh, ask Kyle Fuller how that goes:

Bears linebacker Pernell McPhee’s knee trouble landed him on the physically unable to perform list to open camp and it also led him to an operating room on Friday.

Bears coach John Fox announced that McPhee had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. Fox described the operation as a “clean-up” procedure.

Fox did not give a timeline for McPhee’s return to action, which was a change from last year when cornerback Kyle Fuller was said to need four weeks to recover from a scope. Fuller never played at all during the 2016 season, although Fox said Friday that McPhee’s situation is not the same.

With Lamarr Houston, Willie Young and 2016 first-round pick Leonard Floyd on hand, the Bears have other options at outside linebacker while McPhee recovers from the surgery. Because McPhee is on the PUP list, he is eligible to remain on it into the regular season although he would not be able to play during the first six weeks of the season if that’s the case.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 28, 2017, 02:27:53 pm



 DAL,


  Your Defense adds up to 28. Find us 25 keepers on Offense.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 28, 2017, 04:40:20 pm

Just haven't had the time (read offense is tougher).

I'm probably leaning toward keeping 4 TEs - not ready to jettison Miller - he's just that good and I'd like to see more of Shaheen.

QB(3) Glennon/Sanchez/Trubisky
HB(4) Howard/Langford/Carey/Cohen
TE(4)  Miller/Sims/Shaheen/Brown
WR(5) Meridith/White/Cruz/Wheaton/Wright
OT (3) Leno/Massey/Sowell
G   (4) Long/Sitton/Kush/Morgan
C   (2) Whitehair/Grasu

-We all like Shaw but Sanchez tells great jokes in the QB meetings according to Glennon so he gets the edge.
-Cunningham might be able to replace Langford/Carey - I actually like Carey more than Langford and think if Cohen shows some speed - Langford could be the guy Cunningham replaces.  Langford behind the same O-line that Howard played behind gained 2 yards less per carry.  If they decide to keep the FB position then the HB or the TE loses one.
-Sowell won the starting LT job for the Seahawks last year out of training camp - I'd give him the edge over Compton.
-If they go with the youth movement at TE then its a battle between Bellamy and Thompson for the 6th WR spot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 29, 2017, 06:08:27 am
Frustrating that McPhee doesn't practice for 6 weeks after OTAs and then has a bad physical.  Do these guys not know their bodies well enough?  He could have had that taken care of in June.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 29, 2017, 07:31:46 am
Griz, what are you doing up @ 6:00 on Sat.? At least I  have an excuse, off to count parts. Traffic around Smyrna is reaching bad Chicago area levels isn't it?  Who would have thought.  Go down Amaville rd to 840 and see all the home
construction. I'll never get to work going that way from Spring Hill.  For all that, we really still like it here a lot.  Good place for old geezers. Did someone say  there is a Bear player that everyone is surprised can't pass a physical and play?
Becoming a Bear tradition.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 29, 2017, 02:16:56 pm
some clips from tc

https://twitter.com/GridAssassin

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 29, 2017, 07:23:15 pm
Smyrna traffic is ridiculous. Beautiful area, but unbearable...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 30, 2017, 09:48:44 am
I truly believe most NFL players are looking at these injuries as a way to extend their careers.  That is do not worry about getting everything fixed in time for season, because playing 6 less games in a season may allow you to physically play one or two more seasons at the end.  That decision could be a few more million dollars in your pocket.  This is especially true of signing bonus monies.  The old days people played more for love of game than money, because there really wasn't much money in it.  This is not just NFL issue, one can see it in all sports.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 30, 2017, 03:59:19 pm
I would assume he will be out at least 6 weeks.

Markus Wheaton had appendix out on Sunday morning
Posted by Josh Alper on July 30, 2017, 2:09 PM EDT
 
The Bears will be down a receiver for a little bit.

Coach John Fox announced on Sunday, via the Chicago Sun-Times, that wide receiver Markus Wheaton is in the hospital recovering from an appendectomy. Wheaton began experiencing stomach pains on Saturday night and wound up in surgery to have his appendix out on Sunday morning.

Fox said the appendix did not rupture and that Wheaton will spend Sunday night in the hospital. It’s unclear when he’ll be cleared to return to action.

Wheaton signed a two-year deal with the Bears as a free agent this offseason. When he’s healthy, he’s expected to join Kevin White and Cameron Meredith at the top of the depth chart in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2017, 06:58:27 am
Griz, what are you doing up @ 6:00 on Sat.? At least I  have an excuse, off to count parts. Traffic around Smyrna is reaching bad Chicago area levels isn't it?  Who would have thought.  Go down Amaville rd to 840 and see all the home
construction. I'll never get to work going that way from Spring Hill.  For all that, we really still like it here a lot.  Good place for old geezers. Did someone say  there is a Bear player that everyone is surprised can't pass a physical and play?
Becoming a Bear tradition.

Hey 46, I don't get out that end of Smyrna that often but that's a pretty area.  Nashville is becoming a goliath in front of our eyes.  Unfortunately, I don't sleep in, even on off days.  6am would be sleeping in, normally up at 4:30am, even if it is a day off.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2017, 07:00:06 am
I truly believe most NFL players are looking at these injuries as a way to extend their careers.  That is do not worry about getting everything fixed in time for season, because playing 6 less games in a season may allow you to physically play one or two more seasons at the end.  That decision could be a few more million dollars in your pocket.  This is especially true of signing bonus monies.  The old days people played more for love of game than money, because there really wasn't much money in it.  This is not just NFL issue, one can see it in all sports.

Great point, never thought of it that way, but it makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2017, 09:45:59 am

Maybe, but NFL players are also playing for that next contract.  You can't rack up stats if you're on PUP/IR.  And durability is also a factor when teams are looking to dole out long term deals.

I think in McPhee's case he thought he could play through it and it would improve but the team doctors found it in the physical.  Maybe they need to perform physicals earlier in the season so they can scope these guys in April/May instead of July.

As for Wheaton's appendectomy it all depends on the type of surgery and his personal recovery time - estimate about 3 to 4 weeks recovery time for normal folks and another 2 weeks to get back into football shape so 6 weeks sounds about right.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 31, 2017, 05:36:13 pm
Does this mean the DB's are good or that the WR and/or QB's suck?

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/DBs-play-takeaway-in-Sunday-practice/f1a4e232-c102-42c1-9579-f5173677100a
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 31, 2017, 07:07:44 pm
It means the QBs/WRs are horrible. That was fully demonstrated last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 31, 2017, 07:14:58 pm
Defense is always ahead of offense this time of year.  However our WR probably are not the best.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 31, 2017, 09:12:08 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Shaheen-continuing-to-shine-in-practice/ba65c1a9-9746-4264-9688-29ba44a78856?sf102601733=1
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 31, 2017, 09:27:31 pm
I think Shaheen will make plays and there will be times he turns the ball over since he's not taken nfl hits before.

It's all about next year, unless the db"s are a disaster in which case Pace may need 2 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2017, 10:15:37 pm

He probably won't really get popped until the preseason games, but nobody who tries to tackle him downfield is going to be anywhere close to his size.   Not only was he the biggest/tallest TE in the draft - he led all TEs in the bench press.

I was somewhat skeptical of his average speed based on how high he was drafted,  but this kid seems to be impressing in camp so far.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 31, 2017, 10:28:00 pm
My God.  I heard on Sirius radio that over twenty thousand fans were at the bear training camp for one day. twenty thousand! I'm obviously missing something.  The qbs?  What? singing goodbye to fox ?  Is Bourbonnais that cool a place?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2017, 10:45:23 pm

Cubs may be World Series champs but Chicago is a Bears town.

Plus I think everyone is interested in seeing how this new QB situation plays out.  Cutler wasn't exactly a fan favorite.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 02, 2017, 07:37:10 pm
One thing that has been coming from camp is good reports on our 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks.  A lot of people did not like our draft from fans to experts but I have a feeling that this could go down as a very, very good draft for us.  Its early in camp, but beats having a bunch of negative coming early.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 03, 2017, 09:44:57 am
Maybe this guy is going to turn out better than I hoped for:

https://beargoggleson.com/2017/08/02/39-days-chicago-bears-2017-season-kicks-off-eddie-jackson-profile/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2017, 02:02:35 pm



 Whats the little guy we drafted at RB doing so far ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 03, 2017, 05:36:38 pm
http://www.csnchicago.com/video/boden-stankevitz-bears-camp-tarik-cohen-shining

http://www.endzonescore.com/chicago-bears-training-camp-observations-wednesday/66589

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/12322/tarik-cohen

Here you go Jackie.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 03, 2017, 05:49:54 pm
Reportedly Kevin White and Jonathan Bullard looking better too.

Still looking for Kyle Fuller report.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 03, 2017, 06:22:47 pm
I can't remember where I read it but I saw one where Fuller was pushing the starters but was second string.  Said he was healthy and doing good things but was going to be tough for him to supplant the new guys.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 04, 2017, 08:22:17 am
So if Fuller is doing well, and cant crack the starting line up that means we would have quality depth?  We havent had quality starters let along depth, yes please sign me up.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 05, 2017, 06:34:04 am
And now, Fuller has a calf...

Hope it is just a twinge, ugh...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 05, 2017, 09:27:39 am
camp update:

https://beargoggleson.com/2017/08/04/chicago-bears-camp-update-positive-returns/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 05, 2017, 08:50:58 pm
http://www.12up.com/posts/5356513-report-eagles-pursuit-of-bears-cb-heating-up?a_aid=42217
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 05, 2017, 08:58:21 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/New-players-shine-at-Family-Fest-practice/2b73b964-ef55-4fc4-ad51-8311bfb80bd3
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 06, 2017, 12:48:14 am
They practiced well anyway... ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 06, 2017, 02:45:10 am

Why are writers still writing that Fuller could be cut?  We don't exactly have quality depth at CB now do we?  Amukumura and Marcus Cooper have been anointed the starters.  But Cooper has been recently sidelined with a hammy, so who is the next man up, if not Fuller?

BW Webb?  A 27 year old journeyman who has played 4 seasons with 4 different teams.  Sherrick McManus...if you really watched Bears games you know he's not an option.  LeBlanc and Callahan I like, but they are strictly nickel guys.  Jonathon Banks?  He played for 3 teams just last year.  Maybe I guess,  but I didn't see much from his 2 games as a Bear last year.

Now if the Bears think they can trade Fuller and get a 6th or 7th rounder I guess I could understand that (build for the future yada yada yada), but the Bears are really thin at starting CB. 

Still think Bears should put Deiondre Hall back at corner.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 06, 2017, 06:29:31 am
Has anyone heard how Hall is doing at safety?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2017, 02:02:49 pm
Dallas you are in love with Fuller. The story I am hearing is he really rubbed the Bears raw and its not going away. The latest rumor I saw said he was about to be traded to the Iggles.  If that happens I am sure you will be heartbroken. I will agree that Fuller has been playing very well and for lack of better options Fuller should be kept for lack of quality depth. But Fuller seems to have burned his bridges here and even were he to remain on the roster this year he likely wont be re-signed after the season is over.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 06, 2017, 02:36:03 pm
Sorry I don't blindly agree with everything I read about what the sports writers think or what they think the coaches think.

Fuller just needs to be given an opportunity to compete for a starting CB job that's all I'm suggesting.  Coaches will have short memories if he has a solid preseason.  If he had burned his bridges he'd have been cut long ago.

They are keeping him cuz he has value as a 25 year old CB who started 2 NFL seasons.  Now that value may be as depth, potential starter, or trade bait.

And for your info Amukamara is also signed on a one year deal.  Both, neither or one of them could be re-signed for next year.

Cornerback depth was one of the main reasons the Bears only won 3 games on 2016.  Bears are better with Fuller than without.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 06, 2017, 08:12:45 pm
I personally would like to see us keep Fuller this year.  Yeah he is a FA next year, yeah most likely he leaves no matter what happens this season.  However a 6th or 7th round pick would not be worth losing the depth we need.  Now if we start season 1-5 and then trade him for a 7th great.  But lets not give our potential contributing players away for peanuts.  If we got a 4th or 5th rounder, I would make the trade now.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2017, 09:22:48 pm
So would I since the likelihood he leaves no matter what.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2017, 08:21:22 am
Fourth or Fifth done deal.  Otherwise lets see if he can help us this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 07, 2017, 09:36:42 am

first round talent for a marginal player pick, no thanks.  I thought we need MORE talent not less.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 07, 2017, 12:12:13 pm
Exactly...even a #3 CB has greater value than a 4th-5th rounder...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2017, 01:33:16 pm
Come on man:

The Bears have lost an offensive lineman for the season, cutting into their depth up front.

Bears coach John Fox just told reporters that guard Eric Kush was out for the year, and would need surgery to repair a torn hamstring.

The Bears signed him to a two-year extension this offseason, after he filled in for them last year. He started four games after being claimed off waivers from the Rams.

He has also spent time with the Texans, Panthers, Buccaneers, and Chiefs (who made him a sixth-round pick in 2013).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 07, 2017, 02:02:15 pm
Sucks to lose depth but they have time to get a replacement.  He was not going to be a starter. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2017, 02:08:55 pm
I read that he was going to play until Long was ready to go.  Now it might be Grasu plays C, Whitehair plays G, until Long is good to go, then shift them all around. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 07, 2017, 02:40:07 pm

If they feel confident Long is coming back soon I don't think they place musical chairs with Whitehair.  Although it might be a good idea to see what Whitehair can do at guard and Grasu at center for the future.

I'm thinking throw the rookie 5th round guard Jordan Morgan in there (even though he was 5th round his grade matched 4th rounders Cohen and Jackson).

There's also a couple of free agents that could fit in at guard short term.  But it all depends on when Long is expected back.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 07, 2017, 05:12:02 pm
I don't know, Long hasn't strung two practices together without a day off yet.  And his shoulder may be a factor as the season wears on.

Kush was a valuable competent back up.

SCORE said Whitehair already working at right guard today.  Of course they don't report on whether Grasu is ready to play center.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 07, 2017, 06:06:22 pm



 It's fuucking training camp ...


 what are we talking about replacing players who haven't played one down ?


 Who the fuuck is the strength and conditioning coach ?


 Fire that cuunt !


 Not another year of this going down before any game is played.


 Jesus ... c'mon already !  >:(


 What kind of coin do we have to dangle under Rusty Jones nose ?


 Pay it.  ;D


 What made John FOX ... John FOX in his first year was  GASE.


 Gase isn't around and last year proved it.


 MEANWHILE what did MIAMI do and what did CHICAGO do last season ?


 GASE closed ....... Jackie made a funny !!  :D


 


 


 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 07, 2017, 10:19:46 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-reveal-first-unofficial-depth-chart/447ce440-82ce-41f6-9cf7-90835c6cee83

A few surprises. 

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 08, 2017, 09:50:54 am

The key word here is unofficial.

There will be numerous changes once they factor in injuries and performance from a couple preseason games.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 10, 2017, 12:14:23 am



 Dave23,


 Any chance of putting up a BEARS vs. Broncos forum for one week and deleting /


 moving it to the archives when we play the next pre-season game ?


 Or let it play out in this forum ? Just a thought.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 10, 2017, 12:41:22 am
Game day 2017 has been put up JJ.  This is how we have always done it in the past.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 10, 2017, 12:52:32 am



 Then let's get it on Duck !


 BEARRSSE !!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2017, 09:28:55 am
All this Grasu center and Grasu OG stuff has come to a head. If Grasu cant play OG they have to move him. The Kush injury is a big setback. Kush was their backup to OG and C. You just don't keep a backup center active during the season. To be active there is a backup swing tackle and a backup OG/C. That's it on game days. They have to see what Grasu can do or go out and get another OG/C. That's the way I see it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 10, 2017, 01:37:49 pm

No disagreement.  If you are not starting you need to be flexible as a backup.  Grasu should be able to handle both positions as he has the size (6-4 300) though he could probably bulk up a bit more.

The play of Sitton might be the key to the future of Grasu.  If Sitton doesn't look like he's needed for his last year (he's on the books for $8M in 2018) of his contract they might release him and move Whitehair to guard and Grasu is the starting center.  But Sitton is 31 and was a pro bowl alternate last year and probably has at least a couple more good years left.

But right now it would definitely help Grasu's chances of making the team by showing he can handle guard.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 11, 2017, 10:17:27 pm

Brad Biggs' opinion of the Fuller situation:

The consensus in talking to people around the league is the Bears will likely attempt to trade cornerback Kyle Fuller before roster cuts are due at 3 p.m. on Sept. 2. That’s what I gathered after speaking with a variety of folks from other cities over the last week. They seem to think it’s a matter of when and not if the Bears try to deal the 2014 first-round draft pick. Whether this is legitimate or not remains to be seen but there’s an awful lot of smoke and usually where there’s smoke you’re eventually going to find a fire. Don’t get your hopes up too high the team could get much in return for him. He missed all of last season following arthroscopic knee surgery and that more than anything will make flipping Fuller for a draft pick challenging. Multiple scouts believe there is actually too much buzz about trading Fuller for the Bears to be able to put anything together.

“Anyone interested in him will simply wait for them to cut him,” one personnel man said. “Because everyone believes that is what will happen.”

Fuller played with the No. 2 defense at left cornerback. He was credited with three tackles. On two instances, he gave too big of a cushion to Cody Latimer and didn’t close on the ball fast enough, allowing for easy completions on slant routes. It looked like Fuller was worried about getting beaten over the top, he was backpedaling and thus there was just too much space underneath.

It will not be a surprise if the Bears move Fuller. In fact, I’ve operated with the idea it will be a surprise if he makes the 53-man roster. Not after the way things unraveled in 2016 with defensive coordinator Vic Fangio bluntly assessing the situation in December after it became apparent Fuller would not be activated from injured reserve.

“Any time a guy's hurt, there's three stages to getting back to the field,” Fangio said. “One is you've got to get medical clearance. Two, the player's got to say he's ready to go and feels confident and he's champing at the bit to go play. And then the coaches get involved and see if he's better than what the other choices are and if he really is back to being able to play. A has happened. B hasn't. So C is a non-issue.”

That’s about the most damning commentary you will find when it comes to a coach discussing a player and Fangio’s words made waves in the locker room where players were upset. That’s because players back players and if a player says he’s not healthy enough to go, teammates are going to back him. Now, it’s worth pointing out Fangio said during his first (and only) media availability before the start of the regular season that each year offers a fresh start for everyone, Fuller included.
Preseason: Broncos 24, Bears 17

Photos from the Bears-Broncos preseason game at Soldier Field on Thursday, Aug. 10, 2017.

The Bears clearly were not counting on Fuller for a starting role when they prioritized the position in the offseason, pursuing Stephon Gilmore before he signed in New England and ultimately adding Prince Amukamara and Marcus Cooper to free-agent deals. They’re pretty well entrenched as the starters and the battle for the nickel position right now appears to be a decent race between Cre’Von LeBlanc and Bryce Callahan. A fourth cornerback is going to have to be a significant special teams contributor.

The Bears declined the fifth-year option in Fuller’s contract for 2018 and he has a guaranteed base salary of $1,740,955 this season. That’s not enough for a general manager that did not draft Fuller to feel compelled to keep him, especially if the feeling is he’ll be unhappy about his situation.

“They want to move him but everyone knows it so it will be hard,” another personnel man said. “If he plays well they might keep him because most teams are waiting for them to cut him.”

Reality is a fresh start has to be the best thing that could happen for Fuller. Whether it happens remains to be seen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 11, 2017, 10:23:47 pm

I disagree with most everything in this article so rather than write a long post of why I do, I'll just say that I agree that the Bears had to go after 2 FA corners in the offseason because they couldn't count on Fuller returning at full strength for the 2017 season.

Yeah, that's pretty much it, the rest is a pile of sh*t.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 11, 2017, 10:28:48 pm
Not really.

Unless Fuller plays better he is not only not going to be a Bear he will likely not even be in the NFL.  Don't get me wrong some team will give him a chance maybe even another.  But unless he plays better he is not going to be in the NFL for much longer.

IF he had never gotten hurt the story would probably be different but he did and he has not been the same since. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 12, 2017, 06:30:30 am
Bills just pulled off two trades.  If we do not want him, somebody would be willing to give us something for him, one would think.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 12, 2017, 09:26:09 am
Sure....but would the Bears want what's offered? It takes 2 to make a deal
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 12, 2017, 11:05:49 am
What's a back up CB worth?  I think he has more value for us then a draft pick.  Keep him, maybe we have an injury and we need him during the season.  These sports writers generate buzz and readers with claims and they're never accountable when it turns out a different way.

Fuller is likely lacking in confidence right now, one interception could turn that.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2017, 11:18:54 am
Replay of the Denver game is on NFLN right now...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 13, 2017, 12:33:24 am



 Of course I'm still stumped when having the best DB draft class in history,


 along with DL as one of the best ... we passed on it all for what we drafted.


 They must know more then we do at Halas Hall ...


 but now you have to show your hand at the table ...


 when it's call ...


 let's hope the cards they lay down ... is the winning hand.


 Despite the loss ... what they've laid on the table will get them to another game.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 13, 2017, 01:05:59 pm
Thats not good:
 
Roy Robertson-Harris left practice with a concussion.
11:04 AM - 13 Aug 2017
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 13, 2017, 06:14:05 pm
Bears place Rueben Randle on IR

Posted by Charean Williams on August 13, 2017, 6:27 PM EDT
 

The Bears placed receiver Rueben Randle on injured reserve Sunday to make room for kicker Roberto Aguayo, who they claimed off waivers from the Buccaneers.

The Giants made Randle a second-round choice in 2012. He spent four years with the Giants, catching 188 passes for 2,644 yards and 20 touchdowns.

Randle, 26, signed a one-year contract with the Eagles last year, but they released him at the start of the 2016 season. He sat out last season before signing a future/reserve contract with the Bears in January.
Randle injured his hamstring during the Bears’ preseason loss to the Broncos.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 13, 2017, 06:28:22 pm
I didn't believe Randle was going to make the 53 roster anyways. I wont miss him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 13, 2017, 06:31:44 pm
Aguayo was a super accurate college kicker but sucked in Tampa last year after being drafted in the second round.  He missed one in their first pre-season game so they let him go.  He beat our current kicker out of his job in Tampa.

The Bears are likely just kicking the tires on him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 13, 2017, 08:01:59 pm
You never know maybe a change of scenery clears his head.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 13, 2017, 09:22:01 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-claim-Aguayo-off-waivers-from-Bucs/ced2c297-f711-44cf-a3a1-3d0bfe660992
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 14, 2017, 07:26:28 am
Tanner who?

http://chicago.suntimes.com/football/paces-point-of-view-bears-gm-discusses-mitch-trubisky-and-more/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 14, 2017, 04:28:24 pm
WTF?  He was fighting with offensive and defensive players in both team and individual drills?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/14/kyle-long-thrown-out-of-practice-for-fighting-with-multiple-teammates/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on August 14, 2017, 04:43:54 pm
sounds like something Olin Kreutz might have done!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 14, 2017, 05:35:07 pm

Both Reuben Randle and Tanner Gentry would be hard pressed to make this team.  Figure Meridith, White, Cruz, Wheaton, and Kendall Wright should make the team.  Then there's Deonte Thompson who had a nice game and Josh Bellamy will also be considered because of special team and he did have a nice game the other night too.

Gentry is probably PS bound, but injuries can change a depth chart quickly.

I thought our TEs did not have a particularly good game.   Miller, Shaheen and Brown all had drops.  With the Bears incorporating the FB in the offense it looks like we will only keep 3 TEs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 14, 2017, 05:41:58 pm



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOp2t0IKnUo
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 15, 2017, 05:30:21 am
Amukumara injured Monday... which is why you don't just release or trade Fuller for a 7th round pick.  How many cornerbacks played for us last year starting at least one game?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 15, 2017, 03:08:09 pm
Oh, but Fangio is mad at Fuller and is ready to cut him...and Fuller gave too much cushion in the last preseason game and gave up a couple of catches (after not playing football for a full year)...I mean, he could be gone any day now and the Bears have such great depth at CB without Fuller.

Sportswriters are such idiots...now I'm seeing all them jumping on the Tribusky bandwagon, which even I think is premature at this point.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 15, 2017, 03:16:24 pm
As always, had they drafted more secondary help.....on and on it goes. But hey, they got a crapload of RB's! That's the important thing...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 15, 2017, 03:17:56 pm
Trubisky may very well turn out great, but the chances and odds of that as most know are not good, especially with this teams history at that position. One preseason game against scrubs is not going to prove anything....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 15, 2017, 03:53:49 pm
As always, had they drafted more secondary help.....on and on it goes. But hey, they got a crapload of RB's! That's the important thing...

The Trubisky trade pretty much eliminated drafting additional secondary depth aside from Jackson.  But we can't assume that the 3rd and 4th choices were going to go to DB.  They could have addressed OT, OLB, DE, and WR - all needs.  Pace however did address the position by signing 3 free agents that should start and hopefully get us through 2017.


Trubisky may very well turn out great, but the chances and odds of that as most know are not good, especially with this teams history at that position. One preseason game against scrubs is not going to prove anything....

I agree that the team's history is pretty bad at drafting QBs, but the Cubs had some bad history too in regard to World Series.

Yeah, it's only one game and Trubisky will have to prove himself every game in preseason.  Then that's all out the window and he'll have to prove himself again in real games once he gets the opportunity.

I saw rookie Dak Prescott step in last year for Tony Romo.  So it can be done.


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 15, 2017, 04:25:29 pm



 
Trubisky may very well turn out great, but the chances and odds of that as most know are not good, especially with this teams history at that position. One preseason game against scrubs is not going to prove anything....


 However 16 games will be played and MT whether he plays or not is irreverent ...


 think of him as a clipboard holder.


 It's the rest of the team that has to really be focused on.


 Where's the WR's and TE's that we really need to make any QB succeed?


 What this DEFENSE is ... is it ready to play 16 games ? Without major injury's ?


 Injury's = CHICAGO BEARS in the past.


 Can we step beyond that crimson letter on our forheads ...


 that every other team sees us as being an easy mark because most of us,


 are never there to play ?


 That's problem one that needs to be solved.


 You can have the greatest team in the world ... if they are always injured ...


 there's no fuuckin team at all.  >:(
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 15, 2017, 07:58:46 pm
Not much mentioned on the boards about Roberto Aguayo being brought into camp.  I personally think this is a great move.  Barth is average at his best.  Aguayo could be special.  He just needs to get his head right and a new start might provide that.

One of my business partners is Roberto's father's employer.  He has worked for my business partner for over 20 years.  Roberto comes from an immigrant family of very hard workers.  Having this insider information makes me think he is going to make it.  Obviously its just my opinion and I could be completely wrong.

I had just recently thought about writing a post about the fact Ryan Pace is looking like a great young GM.  I am basing this very early on our recent draft class, which I have stated previously I thought would really surprise folks.  I see bring in Aguayo as an equally great move.  We are talking about a guy who was literally automatic during his college career.  I believe he finished his career with the highest percentage of made FG's in college history.  He has plenty of leg and can kick 50+ yards out.  Yeah I am biased but I think Pace just upgrade a position of need without spending big bucks or using a draft pick.  Win.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 15, 2017, 09:04:54 pm
I am also liking Pace more and more.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 16, 2017, 09:52:44 am
Aguayo has a long way to go.

Hopefully getting away from teammates and media comments about his failures, along with a new coach will help get his head on straight.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 16, 2017, 01:46:49 pm

NFL kickers are a strange breed - we got spoiled with Robbie Gould.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 16, 2017, 02:21:09 pm
Yeah but he lost it eventually also.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 16, 2017, 03:12:54 pm
Ya gotta have'em.  If not, it gets ugly. I think the kid will be ok.  Too long in Florida.  A good Illinois winter will clean the fog from his head. Wind coming from the N.W. about 20 mph, chill factor of about -10..Yowza!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 16, 2017, 03:46:05 pm
Things aren't looking good:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-cb-prince-amukamara-out-with-hamstring-strain/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 16, 2017, 05:44:07 pm

And yet Briggs keeps spewing out the crap about Fuller:

I’d be very surprised if the Bears could get anything more than a late-round pick or conditional pick in exchange for Fuller. He’d be decent insurance for the Bears if they believe he’s playing at a solid level. Fuller has had his moments – good and bad – throughout the summer. He needs to play well in preseason. The Bears could certainly use some depth after Prince Amukamara left practice Monday in Bourbonnais with a right hamstring injury. It’s not known how serious the injury is but Marcus Cooper had an iffy hamstring in the spring and the Bears were cautious with him when training camp opened. I’m not sure how much upside Fuller offers right now and we’ll see what the team thinks about him in a few weeks. Remember, this front office and coaching staff did not bring him in and he’s no longer considered a first-round talent.

Two starting CBs with iffy hamstrings and Briggs is still sounding like a broken record.

Of course they can't get anything for Fuller right now - he missed all of 2016 and he's played in about a quarter of ONE preseason game. 

And everybody needs to play well in the preseason - ever our current starting QB.  Have BW Webb and Jonathon Banks outplayed Fuller?  Any insights on their play?  If they have then Fuller might be expendable.  LeBlanc and Callahan, I believe are strictly nickels, based on what I saw from them last season at CB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 17, 2017, 09:56:51 am
They are just playing possum - to catch the teams by surprise in September
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 17, 2017, 03:01:37 pm
Here is a pollyana view:


https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/by-the-numbers/2017/8/17/16161422/nfc-north-previews-part-ii-dont-hibernate-on-the-chicago-bears

But this comment from the above article has my blood temperature rising. I don't care if we win only 2 games this year, the two I want to win are against the Packers.

"The Bears have been a joke to Packers fans for awhile now, and last year’s 3-13 record wasn’t exactly unexpected."
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on August 17, 2017, 04:11:53 pm
Your teams not there...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 17, 2017, 06:43:52 pm

Maybe not...yet...

...but it's all about the QB - Packer fans should know that.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 18, 2017, 12:35:01 pm
Kelvin Sheppard had been gauging his market lately, and now he has a new home.

The Bears announced they had signed the veteran linebacker, and waived rookie linebacker Hendrick Ekpe to make room for him on the roster.

Sheppard worked out for the Dolphins earlier this week, but he didn’t end up making a return to South Florida.

He played there in 2014 and 2015, and spent last year with the Giants. He’s also spent time with the Colts and Bills.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 18, 2017, 01:13:35 pm
I thought our linebacking corp was pretty good. Whats the significance of this?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 18, 2017, 06:04:23 pm
Just upgrade.  In case we get injury.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 18, 2017, 07:03:33 pm
win games. For the love of God, win some games. If that guy helps, fantastic. I heard something on Sirius that gave me pause, the talking heads stated that if your #1 pick qb is really good he plays only a little. If he's not, he plays a lot. How long did mitch play?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 18, 2017, 08:27:04 pm
Um Mitch played a lot, because he needs the experience.  I dont buy that bs at all. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 19, 2017, 12:38:35 am

Yeah, he needs the experience.  But the Bears need to know what they have with the #2 pick in the draft.  This  isn't their typical 6th round draft choice or FA that they give garbage time in the preseason to. 

But the Bears remain committed to Glennon AND Sanchez so it appears Mitch will be getting the 4th quarter or possibly time in the 3rd quarter.  Bears also need to know what they have in their high priced FA QB.

This Arizona game could decide who gets the preseason game 3 start which is the season starter's game.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2017, 08:53:13 am
OK, I can buy that. But its typical in the preseason not to show a lot of what they intend to do when September rolls around. They have already done a lot of that with Trubisky in the first game. Arizona will be gameplanning for that. So what are the Bears going to do with their schemes differently to counter that? Like Denver was ready for exactly what Glennon had. I don't believe they were ready for Trubisky. Now that will be different. This will be a very different game to dissect.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 19, 2017, 09:53:27 am
Or maybe Trubisky is just such a stud he will perform regardless.  One can dream right?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 19, 2017, 10:26:02 am
Game planning is over rated - especially in preseason.  The game is skewed in favor of the QB.  Talent level on both sides generally determine the outcome.

Our WRs were overmatched against the Denvers DBs.  This really made it tough on Glennon.

I'll admit the talent level drop was not that great with our backup WRs as it was with Denvers backups.  Big advantage for Trubisky.


The question is not whether Trubisky is a good QB - its how good is he and how do the Bears determine that with the commitment to Glennon.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 19, 2017, 10:54:52 am
I doubt very much that Trubuski will be the starting quarterback in the first game of the season, barring a lot of injuries.  No point in throwing him to the wolves that early.

A coach plans for the upcoming game.  A good coach plans for the upcoming three or four games.  A GM plans for the upcoming season.  A good GM plans for the upcoming three or four seasons.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2017, 12:39:30 pm
Game planning is over rated - especially in preseason.  The game is skewed in favor of the QB.  Talent level on both sides generally determine the outcome.

Our WRs were overmatched against the Denvers DBs.  This really made it tough on Glennon.

I'll admit the talent level drop was not that great with our backup WRs as it was with Denvers backups.  Big advantage for Trubisky.


The question is not whether Trubisky is a good QB - its how good is he and how do the Bears determine that with the commitment to Glennon.



Humbug.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 20, 2017, 08:28:23 am



 Cardinals defense is no punk team ... neither was Denver.


 At least in pre season we are going up against some of the tops in the NFL.


 Hey ... don't laff at Cleveland with who they drafted.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2017, 06:09:13 pm
Interesting:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/wr-kevin-white-cb-kyle-fuller-on-their-preseason-progress-with-bears/

Especially for Dallas
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2017, 08:05:37 am

Nothing to see here folks move along...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 23, 2017, 11:06:35 am
So the Bears are working on a big contract extension for Charles Leno.

He's OK but he had a lot of trouble with the Denver DE #91.  I thought they would wait until the end of the year to decide if he's the long term answer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 23, 2017, 11:37:27 am
Bears close to contract extension with left tackle Charles Leno

Posted by Darin Gantt on August 23, 2017, 12:11 PM EDT
 
The Bears are trying to stabilize their ofensive line for their quarterbacks of now and the future, and they extended the blind-side protector Wednesday.
A league source tells PFT the Bears are close to a contract extension with left tackle Charles Leno.

The deal is reportedly worth $38 million over four years, with $21.5 million in guarantees.

Leno has become a solid piece for the Bears, who have invested in free agents Bobby Massie and Josh Sitton the last two offseasons in an effort to shore up their front line.
The former seventh-round pick from Boise State was entering the final year of his rookie deal.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2017, 12:32:23 pm
The best I can say about Leno is he has been a loyal soldier and should have a new contract. The question is how good is he really. And that certainly wouldn't preclude the Bears from drafting an OT in the first round next year. After all you want to improve your line for the future and you need depth. I see Massie as a bigger problem than Leno
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2017, 01:19:08 pm

You'd like to have all-pros at every position especially at the key positions like LT.  Leno is not in that class but he's a very solid guy.

I wish I had the PFF stats to see how he grades out in comparison to other lineman, but I don't.  I do know he only gave up 4.5 sacks in 16 games he started and had 6 penalties.  Not bad.  And the Bears O-line as a whole  pass protected very well last season and we know they run blocked as evident from Howard's 1300 plus yards.

If you don't re-sign him he could become a FA after this season, which means you may have to dedicate resources to find another LT, which isn't easy. 

Now if the planets align and there's a blue chip LT available when we draft AND he is head and shoulders better than any available corner, safety, OLB, WR, or DE then by all means draft him but signing Leno gives you some flexibility to draft/sign other positions of need.

Next up - Akeem Hicks.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2017, 01:22:41 pm

As for Massie.  Absolutely horrid the first month of the season.  But then he talked to somebody who straightened him out and he was very solid the rest of the way. 

15 starts/4 sacks/3 penalties.  Again, I'd like to see the grade as I don't know how many hurries he gave up, but I think we're OK at RT. 

Keep an eye on him though once the season starts...RTs are much easier to replace than the LTs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 23, 2017, 04:23:09 pm



 Waiting to see how things turn out in the Cleveland game ...


 because so far it hasn't been according to script.  :D


 WAIT ... wait a minute ... we have a DEFENSE ??


 AND ... and ... and ... and ... AN OFFENSE ???


 Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves !  ::)   ???


 I hope we're wrong.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 23, 2017, 04:26:16 pm



 I hope we are wrong in thinking we could be losers.


 When we could be bad asss motherfuuckers.


 Time.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 23, 2017, 05:57:28 pm
http://www.chicitysports.com/2017/08/23/trubisky-to-play-with-bears-starters-on-sunday/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 23, 2017, 07:30:59 pm
down here in the wilds of Tn, I thought I heard on sirius 88 that he would start the game.  Yes? no?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2017, 07:42:33 pm

Trubisky will start...the second half.

Got to hope the Titans keep their first stringers in.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 23, 2017, 08:15:44 pm
Ah. Old ears. Thx. saw where Leno got pd.  38 mil/4 yrs I think.  Good for him.  Not bad for a 7th rounder. Hope he keeps it up and gets better.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2017, 08:38:47 am
This has got my curiosity up. Cant wait for Sunday to see it:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/high-hopes-bears-expect-good-things-from-comfortable-mitch-trubisky/

Good things happen when teammates have your back.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2017, 09:01:54 am

I'm not worried about Trubisky - he'll get his shot.  I'm not envious of the coaches having to make decisions between playing Glennon and Trubisky.  Glennon has only thrown 11 passes over the last 2 seasons - none in 2015.  And he's played about 3/4 of a game in the preseason - he needs all the reps he can get, especially with a new offense/team.

If Glennon comes out Sunday and plays lights out - it's his job week 1, but if he struggles...

Anyway, the guy I'm more worried about is our rookie TE Shaheen.  I'd like to see more of what he can do - not overly impressed so far.  Not as much as the media has been.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2017, 09:22:38 am
I haven't heard this. I hear its the 2nd half he starts.

https://dawindycity.com/2017/08/24/chicago-bears-start-mitch-trubisky/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2017, 09:52:11 am
As for Shaheen:

Chicago Bears rookie tight end Adam Shaheen is a major project



 by Dan Schmelzer    3 days ago  Follow @DSchmelzerFS   

He still has plenty of upside, but Chicago Bears rookie tight end Adam Shaheen is a major work in progress.

I am not going to lie, I was a big fan of the Chicago Bears‘ second-round selection of tight end Adam Shaheen in the 2017 NFL Draft. Shaheen got on my radar during the draft process because he was a particular favorite of Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com.

Jeremiah raved again and again about Shaheen’s combination of size, speed and athleticism at the tight end position. I knew that I had to check him and I was immediately hooked. Shaheen is a converted basketball player who dominated on the gridiron last season. In 2016, Shaheen caught 57 passes for 867 yards and 16 touchdowns. He was an incredible red zone weapon and also showed the speed to catch a short pass and take it to the house.

Unfortunately, all of this came at the Division II level. Shaheen absolutely dominated in college, but doing it at Ashland University certainly takes away some of the prospect shine. However, it does not change the fact that Shaheen is a 6-foot-6, 270-pound tight end with plus speed and athleticism. The upside is certainly there.

Despite his obvious upside, Shaheen is clearly not ready to be a major contributor at the NFL level. I have been all aboard the Shaheen hype train since the Bears drafted him, but we are two weeks into the preseason and he is clearly not ready to be a major contributor in the NFL.

Shaheen’s blocking was an issue through the draft process and he has not improved in that area. He constantly gets dominated at the point of attack and does not yet show good technique while blocking. Shaheen certainly has the size and power to be a strong blocking tight end, but he is not there yet.

His receiving upside is obvious, but Shaheen is still raw in that department as well. His route running ability is less than desirable at the moment and Shaheen has not shown the ability to create any separation. At this point, I do not expect Shaheen to be anything more than a guy who takes an occasional snap in three tight end sets as a rookie. But that’s okay.

The Chicago Bears knew Shaheen was raw. The guy not only comes from the Division II level, he was a full-time basketball player just three years ago. Now, he is playing in the NFL with the greatest football players in the world.

I am willing to buy low on Shaheen stock as I believe in his talent. That being said, he will not be a major contributor for the Chicago Bears in 2017.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 25, 2017, 10:13:03 am
With our depth at the position, I'm more than fine with a redshirt year for Shaheen. His upside is off the charts.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2017, 10:55:53 am
53 man roster predictions:

https://dawindycity.com/2017/08/23/chicago-bears-roster-predictions-preseason/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2017, 12:22:28 pm
Running Backs:  Starter: Jordan Howard  Backups: Tarik Cohen and Benny Cunningham

I read somewhere that Kadeem Carey injured his wrist.  If he's OK I might keep 4.

Wide Receiver:  Starters: Cameron Meredith, Kevin White and Kendall Wright Backups: Victor Cruz, Deonte Thompson and Tanner Gentry PUP: Markus Wheaton


Tanner Gentry can go to the PS - Wheaton is not PUP eligible as he's practiced with the team since his appendectomy...and broke his finger.  Bellamy is a tough cut but I like Thompson better.

Tight Ends Starters: Zach Miller and Dion Sims  Backups: Adam Shaheen and Daniel Brown

4 TEs:  Totally agree.  Braunecker goes to PS.

O-Line:  Starters: Charles Leno, Kyle Long, Cody Whitehair, Josh Sitton and Bobby Massie  Backups: Tom Compton and Hroniss Grasu


Need more than 7 guys, especially with Long's status.    Maybe Jordan Morgan is the 8th...or we keep the best of the rest or swipe somebody after cuts.


Defensive Line  Starters: Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman and Jonathan Bullard Backups: Jaye Howard, Mitch Unrein and Roy Robertson-Harris

Yes!  It would be a bit of a surprise if Bullard gets the start over the coach favorite Unrein, but Bullard has played well.

OLB:  Starters: Leonard Floyd and Willie Young Backups: Lamarr Houston and Sam Acho PUP: Pernell McPhee

Still would like to see Houston do more but the Bears think he just  needs to get back into playing shape coming off that ACL.

ILB:  Starters: Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan Backups: Nick Kwiatkoski, Christian Jones and John Timu


If Trevathian is back then I don't keep Timu - use  his spot for Kadeem CArey.

Cornerbacks  Starters: Prince Amukamara, Marcus Cooper and Bryce Callahan Backups: Cre’von LeBlanc, Kyle Fuller and Sherrick McManis


I keep BW Webb over McManis who can't play CB.  Callahan and LeBlanc are nickel guys in my opinion.   McManis is the STer but you need 4 true corners on your roster.

Nice comment on the soon to be busted up FA Kyle Fuller though:

Kyle Fuller has not looked bad through two preseason games, but he is still kind of broken. The former first-round pick simply does not have a lot of confidence right now. I have a hard time believing that the Bears will cut Fuller, but barring injury, he will not likely have a large role on this team.

Safety Starters: Quintin Demps and Eddie Jackson Backups: Adrian Amos, Deiondre’ Hall and Harold Jones-Quartey

I dunno about Jones-Quartey.  Maybe they keep Bush or Houston-Carson. All are 24, but Quartey has more experience.  Toss up.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2017, 12:28:20 pm
With our depth at the position, I'm more than fine with a redshirt year for Shaheen. His upside is off the charts.


Shaheen was not over drafted based on his grade  (the Bears traded down the 2nd pick to take him). 

But I read a lot of the hype about the small school basketball player that is 6-6 270.  There are a lot of tall TEs in the league.  Athletically, I just didn't see his superiority in his combine numbers (speed/agility).

You hate to see a 2nd rounder get red-shirted - hopefully during the season he progresses.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 25, 2017, 01:10:47 pm
If Jeremy Langford plays well this weekend (looks like he's recovered) he may make the team, don't know.

Really only Grasu and Compton as OL backups????? laughable.  With Grasu as center only if someone gets dinged we have no other reserve.

Long is far from ready.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2017, 01:28:47 pm
And I believe Compton was the starter at LG against Denver and got beaten like a drum. Yeah the OLine needs a lot of work, especially since Grasu is a one trick pony. The Kush injury it biting Pace's butt. I have a feeling they will go after someone who doesn't make the cuts by some other team. Grasu isn't a lock to make that 53 man roster. Their savior seems to be Whitehair who seems versatile enough to play OG. And he played OT in college. Clearly this is a situation to keep your eye on come Sunday. If they unleash Howard Sunday there needs to be some continuity.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2017, 02:31:02 pm

As I said before, Grasu's lack of flexibility is made up by Whitehair's flexibility.

If Long can't make it then Grasu starts - put your best 5 out there.  The Kush injury bit us but the Long recovery situation is the real problem.

As for Langford...his chances of making the roster were helped with Carey's injury.  But right now you'd have to rank Cunningham ahead of him.  Cunningham can also return kicks.  Langford's exceptional speed never translated to a very good yards per carry average.

As for Carey, maybe they IR him with the hope he can return in 2 months if needed.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 25, 2017, 02:51:56 pm



 Remember when Langford was our #1 starter last year before we got Howard ?


 Things change that fast.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 25, 2017, 04:43:33 pm
Shaheen has flat out dropped some passes.  However since he actually dropped them, that means he got open enough to have the Qb thrown to him, which means he got some separation.  I think he out of all the rookies is the most overwhelmed, does not mean he cannot turn out to be a stud. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 25, 2017, 11:07:55 pm
Bears, red shirting a second round pick....what-a-surprise....not. Quit taking prospects and improve this friggin team, idiots!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 25, 2017, 11:39:58 pm
The guy is a beast he just needs to learn to play like a professional.  He proved he has skills in college.

They can design a few plays for him and work him in each game if they choose to.  However they are really deep at TE right now so they don't need to unless someone gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 26, 2017, 12:11:57 am
When your team is starved for talent, you don't go out and grab prospects. You get people who can help now. At least that's how I'd build my team. But the Bears aren't where they are now by being smart.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 26, 2017, 07:26:32 am
Pace is drafting best player available, that is how you build winners in long run.  It takes longer but you will have a better team for it.  Packers have been doing it for 2 decades and been kicking our ass in overall talent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 26, 2017, 08:16:38 am
Dont worry Miller will be hurt sooner or later and Shaheen will get his time to play.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 26, 2017, 11:18:57 am
And now we see who the Matt Millen of this board is...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 26, 2017, 12:25:52 pm

I'm not sure Miller is even the starter.  Regardless, Simms is ahead of Shaheen.  Maybe Brown is too.

I am not doubting Shaheen will improve eventually.  Just didn't think I'd associate the term project with a 2nd rounder.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 26, 2017, 01:29:23 pm



 Gronkowski was a second round pick out of Arizona.


 Can we expect that or even somewhat less from our second rounder Shaheen ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 26, 2017, 01:39:53 pm

I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 26, 2017, 02:09:27 pm
Of course, you'd say that about every TE in every draft...that's a pretty high bar...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 26, 2017, 02:41:16 pm



 
Of course, you'd say that about every TE in every draft...that's a pretty high bar...


 It's a second round pick that better goodammn well perform!


 What the fuuck are we doing here ... growing Boy Scouts ?


 I want a stone fuucking cold killer who runs over Linebackers like they are punks,


 when I drop a second rounder on a TE.


 That motherfuucker better be little Gronk.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 26, 2017, 04:10:26 pm
Pace is drafting best player available, that is how you build winners in long run.  It takes longer but you will have a better team for it.  Packers have been doing it for 2 decades and been kicking our ass in overall talent.

That pretty well sums it up.  If you want to be mediocre, pick the lesser player who can help immediately, or if you want to excel, pick the one with the higher ceiling, even though it may take a while before he produces at a high level.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 26, 2017, 07:32:58 pm
That's the point, JJ. You want prospects? Fine, but don't be stupid and draft em at your 2nd pick!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2017, 05:16:36 am

I guess my expectations were higher when I kept reading all these glowing reports about Shaheen excelling in practice and that Miller would be cut.

Just saying I haven't seen it in the 2 games I've seen so far.  It's hard to make decisions when you've only seen a player in a handful of plays especially rookies.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 27, 2017, 07:28:35 am
I think from watching Shaheen that he is too jacked up.  He needs to settle down.  A couple of times he has caught the ball, he literally has run out of his cleats falling down.  I think has he calms his jitters, we will see the talent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 27, 2017, 07:31:35 am
"Kyle Fuller has not looked bad through two preseason games, but he is still kind of broken. The former first-round pick simply does not have a lot of confidence right now. I have a hard time believing that the Bears will cut Fuller, but barring injury, he will not likely have a large role on this team."

Barring injury he will not have a larger role on this team?   HAHAHAHAHA  The writer is joking, right?  Injuries don't happen in football.  The Bears didn't have any injuries to the CB position last year.  Oh wait, Cooper has already been injured as has Prince?  Nah, that won't happen during the season.  Fuller is a 3 right now, and he will play significant time this season... barring injury
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on August 27, 2017, 12:56:06 pm
to me, when you draft best player available, you draft the player they are, not prospects.
It means that if you have a blue chip guard available you don't reach for a S just because S is a need, you draft the guard.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 28, 2017, 12:18:37 pm



 Let's see what this team does.


 All bet's are off the board.


 Against the Tenny team we played who was 9-7 last year and 3-13 the year before.


 Can we make that comparison ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2017, 06:22:50 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/28/bears-sign-long-snapper-jeff-overbaugh/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/28/cameron-meredith-has-torn-acl-other-damage-to-knee/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2017, 07:04:35 pm
Those sites do nothing
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2017, 07:48:48 pm
Works for me.  Try profootballtalk in your search engine.  They are on the front page.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2017, 11:19:03 pm
They weren't on the front page when I clicked on that link. They weren't on that link anywheres I could find.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 29, 2017, 12:06:08 am
You have to click the "bang it here for the latest news and rumours" link at the bottom of the page to bring up those that have moved off of it.

But in a nutshell Meredith and the Long snapper are done for the year and we signed a new long snapper.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2017, 07:05:47 am
Well I certainly couldn't pull it up. So we still need a WR and probably a G/C.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 29, 2017, 08:17:09 am

WR - maybe.   I'd like to see Wheaton out there next weekend.  But I like Thompson and Gentry might get a shot.  Then there's Bellamy who has good separation but questionable  hands.

G/C - probably not.  I think they may look at guards though.  If Grasu gets hurt Whitehair moves to center.  They need a guard to fill in for Whitehair.  If Whitehair gets hurt they need a guard to fill in for Whitehair.  Long term (as in next year) Eric Kush is signed and he is a G/C.

If Long regains his starting LG spot then the musical chairs begin and Grasu is out.  But with Whitehair's flexibility you are protected.  Granted it's not ideal moving 2 positions if one gets injured but right now the talent on this team is with Grasu as the 6th man.

But they do need to find a backup guard either among the lineman they have or off the waiver wire.  If he can play center that's a bonus.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2017, 09:49:00 am
Is the last preseason game this weekend or is it this Thursday? I'm thinking its Thursday.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 29, 2017, 09:58:57 am
yes but if you're not in Chicago NFLN is not showing it until Saturday
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 29, 2017, 10:20:43 am

Lot's of position decisions at the bottom of the roster:

HB - Langford or Cunningham
WR - Cruz?  Gentry?  Bellamy? FA/trade?  Might have 2 spots open with Meridith out
TE -  do they keep a fourth - Daniel Brown
OL - Grasu is the 6th man - who is the 7th and 8th? Are they even on the roster?
FB - will there be a full back in this offense?

DL - 6 or 7?  Who is the backup NT to Goldman?  Jenkins or CJ Wilson?  With the emergence of Ballard and Robertson-Harris and addition of Jaye Howard - does Mitch Unrein make the team?
CB - Fuller is #3 but who is #4   BW Webb or do they keep STer Sherrick McManis and pencil in nickels Callahan or LeBlanc as emergency corners
S   - Demps/Jackson/Amos are locks - but who do they keep after that?  Hall, Quartey-Jones, Houston-Carson, Deon Bush?

And does Nick Kwiatowski finally get rid of that awful #44?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2017, 10:56:10 am
yes but if you're not in Chicago NFLN is not showing it until Saturday

Well I am out of market but in market for my TV
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 30, 2017, 04:34:56 am
Lot's of position decisions at the bottom of the roster:

HB - Langford or Cunningham Both?
WR - Cruz?  Gentry?  Bellamy? FA/trade?  Might have 2 spots open with Meridith out Cruz and Gentry
TE -  do they keep a fourth - Daniel BrownYes
OL - Grasu is the 6th man - who is the 7th and 8th? Are they even on the roster?
FB - will there be a full back in this offense? Probably not

DL - 6 or 7?  Who is the backup NT to Goldman?  Jenkins or CJ Wilson?  With the emergence of Ballard and Robertson-Harris and addition of Jaye Howard - does Mitch Unrein make the team?I probably undervalue Unrein but I say he walks
CB - Fuller is #3 but who is #4   BW Webb or do they keep STer Sherrick McManis and pencil in nickels Callahan or LeBlanc as emergency cornersOr a waiver claim
S   - Demps/Jackson/Amos are locks - but who do they keep after that?  Hall, Quartey-Jones, Houston-Carson, Deon Bush?Haven't seen enough of them to make a decision.  They will get a good opportunity to show this last game.  I would be surprised if Hall is released

And does Nick Kwiatowski finally get rid of that awful #44?Wasn't that the number Urlacher played with in college and wanted in the pros?


After Trubiskey and Shaw were announced as starters for the final preseason game, don't be surprised if.... Sanchez is cut or traded.  Especially if Shaw shows well in this game.  We have a QB coach in Raggone that can play the role of BFF, if that is the role that Sanchez is playing.  I say Mitch gets 2-3 series and Shaw finishes up.  I think the upside of Shaw still has the team intrigued...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2017, 02:42:41 pm
I found this informative:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-receivers-waivers-nfl/

So who do you want? Einie meanie, Miney, Mo. Who is the bestus of all? And I am sure we will be picking.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 30, 2017, 03:05:32 pm
WE may have the worst WR group in the league, so I would expect a pick up.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2017, 05:38:20 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/01/bears-release-victor-cruz/

Bears release Victor Cruz

Posted by Josh Alper on September 1, 2017, 5:27 PM EDT
 
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The salsa music has been cut off in Chicago.

According to multiple reports, the Bears have released wide receiver Victor Cruz.

Cruz was released by the Giants early in the offseason and signed with the Bears in late May to compete for a spot in their receiving corps. Despite the loss of Cameron Meredith to a torn ACL in the team’s third preseason game, Cruz wasn’t able to show enough to win a job ahead of Kendall Wright and others vying for work in Chicago.

Given how long it took for Cruz to land with the Bears and how little he did for the Giants last season after missing most of two years with a knee injury, it’s fair to wonder whether this is the end of the line for a player who went from going undrafted to a starring role in the Giants offense for several years. If it is, he’ll end his NFL career with 303 catches for 4,549 yards and 25 touchdowns.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2017, 05:54:14 pm
I thought he played fairly well.  Hopefully his injury is not to bad and someone can pick him up.  Or maybe the Bears will be able to bring him in after they lose a few more receivers due to injury like they always do.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 01, 2017, 08:33:07 pm
IMHO if they indeed release Cruz then they need 2 new WRs. Just saying.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 01, 2017, 10:16:42 pm
Bears need at least two.  did marshal get dumped? call randy moss.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 01, 2017, 11:28:40 pm
See where Shaw got dumped. Ah well. USC boy must be REALLY  good in team meetings I guess.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 02, 2017, 08:24:57 am
Randy Moss, lol. Hey, maybe Michael Irvin is available!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 02, 2017, 11:44:31 am
Looks like Tanner Gentry will be cut.  SCORE
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 02, 2017, 06:46:34 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-reach-NFL’s-53-man-roster-limit/b7be2dbe-3ca1-44db-854c-c477b0c70377
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 02, 2017, 06:58:40 pm
We kept 5 TE's.

You have to think they plan on running 2 and 3 TE sets.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2017, 07:16:44 pm
That receiver corp sucks. White has to show up this year or we are doomded
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on September 02, 2017, 07:25:15 pm
 We need some OTs too! Maybe Adam Bisnowaty? Released by the Giants. Not saying he's a starter,but,might be better than our backups.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 02, 2017, 07:30:58 pm
I would have let Ben Braun go and kept Gentry or left the spot for a WR/OT.   Sanchez is one highly paid quarterbacks coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 03, 2017, 08:09:08 am
I hope they can get Gentry and Irving on the PS today.  A little surprised to see Howard let go, he was doing pretty well.  And if only Timu had just a tad more speed to go with his instincts.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 03, 2017, 11:59:47 am
#Bears claimed LS Andrew DePaola, WR Tre McBride and RB Taquan Mizzell off waivers
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 03, 2017, 12:10:12 pm
Not comfortable with only Unrein and Robertson Harris as backups.

There is no backup NT and Goldman is prone to ankle problems.
Title: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2017, 12:18:12 pm
#Bears practice squad so far (4/10):
WR Tanner Gentry
S DeAndre Houston-Carson
OL Deiugot Joseph
DL Rashaad Coward

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 03, 2017, 12:22:20 pm
https://dawindycity.com/2017/09/03/chicago-bears-kasen-williams/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2017, 12:31:06 pm
Williams was claimed by the Browns...#1 overall...we had no shot...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2017, 12:45:48 pm
Connor Shaw to IR...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 03, 2017, 04:11:10 pm
The Bears on Sunday claimed receiver Tre McBride, running back Taquan Mizzell and long-snapper Andrew DePaola off waivers, and waived running back Jeremy Langford, tight end Ben Braunecker and long-snapper Jeff Overbaugh.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2017, 04:51:54 pm
Jonathan Anderson, Cameron Lee, Brandon Greene to PS...hoping to add Braunecker to PS tomorrow...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 03, 2017, 08:20:20 pm
After week one it looks like Pace may have been right not waiting for Webb, Rosen and Darden
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 04, 2017, 08:33:55 am
Sunday

7:00 p.m.— The Bears signed eight players to the practice squad: receiver Tanner Gentry, defensive back DeAndre Houston-Carson, outside linebacker Isaiah Irving, inside linebackers Jonathan Anderson and John Timu, nose tackle Rashaad Coward, guard Brandon Greene and tackle Dieugot Joseph.  Guard/tackle Cameron Lee, an Illinois State alum, is expected to sign with the Bears as soon as Monday, and the Bears could pursue Braunecker to round out the practice squad.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 04, 2017, 08:35:43 am
Bears roster analysis: Not enough difference-makers


By Brad Biggs, Rich Campbell and  Dan Wiederer•Contact Reporters
Chicago Tribune

September 4, 2017, 7:11 AM

The Bears will return to practice Monday at Halas Hall with a revised 53-man roster as coach John Fox and general manager Ryan Pace enter Year 3 of their rebuilding project. How should we view the team Fox will lead into Sunday's season opener against Falcons at Soldier Field? We asked the Tribune's Bears experts for their takes.

Brad Biggs: Floyd needs help

It's a positive sign that Pernell McPhee was activated from the physically unable to perform list Saturday after missing all of training camp following arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.

Once he's ready to go, he'll be an important role player for defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, but the Bears have to closely monitor his usage because there are only so many plays left in his balky knees.

The outside linebackers are the ones that put the teeth in a 3-4 base defense, and former first-round draft pick Leonard Floyd appears poised for a big season.
But with the other options being McPhee, Willie Young and Sam Acho, will Floyd be required to drop in coverage more because of his athletic ability, particularly in the base package? That removes him from the pass-rushing equation, which is why the Bears traded up to draft him last year.

If there's a concern on the roster beyond the wide receivers, it might be the lack of a second outside linebacker with some range, the kind of player who would open up a world of possibilities for Fangio.

The starting secondary has been completely revamped with the additions of cornerbacks Prince Amukamara and Marcus Cooper and safeties Quintin Demps and Eddie Jackson. It's an upgrade, but how big of one? The starting defensive unit failed to register a takeaway in the preseason.


Rich Campbell: Can they score?

I look at this 53-man roster and wonder from where the points are going to come from.

Jordan Howard (seven touchdowns as a rookie) has to stay healthy and carry a heavy load. Behind him and around him are unproven or average players when it comes to scoring production. Kendall Wright has been in the end zone 18 times in his five-year career, the most of any Bears skill-position player, but that's fewer than four touchdowns per season.

There are far more questions than answers: Can Zach Miller (13 career touchdowns) stay healthy? Will Kevin White (zero) prove he was worth the seventh pick in 2015? Can rookie Tarik Cohen's preseason flashes translate to a productive part-time role?

Defensively, the lack of star power puts a ceiling on what to expect. The Bears remain the only NFL team without a defensive player who has been to a Pro Bowl. The other 31 have a least one defensive Pro Bowler from the last two seasons. In other words, the Bears are trailing in the personnel department, which showed last season in their NFL-record-low 11 takeaways.

A healthy front seven would be a team strength, as the preseason showed, but the defense won't be dominant until it starts taking the ball away. To that end, second-year outside linebacker Leonard Floyd must be the catalyst. That's a premier position in a 3-4 front, and it's too thin behind him.


Dan Wiederer: Few playmakers

The optimist will look at the Bears roster and see a path to progress. At first glance, general manager Ryan Pace seems to have assembled a group that is more talented and more competitive than what the team went to battle with a year ago. There's reason to feel encouraged — or at least hopeful — about the depth Pace has supplied at positions like tight end, running back and inside linebacker. Even on the defensive line.

On the whole, Pace and coach John Fox have met their goals of packing the roster with smart, tough, unselfish players, characteristics they believe can accelerate the return to relevance. But zoom out and it's worth remembering that the Bears are a last-place team with a .281 winning percentage the last two seasons. So any discussion about progress remains relative.

And the most glaring question looming as Week 1 arrives: Where are the playmakers? We're talking every-week difference-makers, standouts who affect every game.

The Bears tied an NFL single-season record for fewest takeaways last season with 11. They also finished tied for 28th in points scored. Toughness, intelligence and character count for something. But touchdowns count for even more. So who are the proven home run hitters on offense? Jordan Howard? Sure. But who else?

And who will fill the highlight reel with repeated splash plays on defense? Akiem Hicks and Leonard Floyd? Perhaps. But who else?

To make a long story short, the Bears should be better in 2017. (After last year, that's practically inevitable.) But will they be good? The search for stars continues.


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 04, 2017, 11:57:05 am
Is anyone feeling real positive about this season? Generally the draft is a crap shoot, but you do build for the future there. During the off season you hope to pick up at least that one guy (through free agency) that can possibly be that catalyst. I know we got Glennon, but I'll be surprised if he's not on the bench by mid season. We needed that big time corner or linebacker to give the D a boost. I feel once again Fangio doesn't have the horses..

At the end of the season if were in last place in our division again I would fire Fox immediately and put Pace on notice.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 04, 2017, 12:29:14 pm
Well the Bears have possibly the weakest receiver corps in the league, I don't see us lighting up the scoreboard.

On D the DB's are pretty dubious at best.

Still wondering why Pace didn't draft a corner instead of Shaheen, we'll see.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 04, 2017, 12:36:35 pm
I hope I am wrong but I am guessing Glennon doesn't remain the starter longer then the first 4 games.  The first 4 are brutal and he is likely to take a beating and look terrible.

After that the schedule is still tough but gets easier.

If they can go 2-2 after the first four games they have a shot.  I think they will likely be 0-4, maybe 1-3 then win enough down the stretch to be near .500 at the end of the season.  Which is an improvement at least.

I think they are at least another year away from playoffs.  But anything can happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 04, 2017, 05:53:14 pm
I think Fox is gone after this year, or maybe before the end.  I think we need some more top notch talent, duh, but we are not that far away.  Especially if we can get some guys to perform.  We shall see.   
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 04, 2017, 08:31:06 pm
We shall see.

"We shall see said the blind man"
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2017, 11:11:23 pm

As always my predicted 53 man roster wasn't even close.

Big surprises:

Jaye Howard:  Guess he didn't flash enough pass rush moves.  Roy Robertson-Harris emergence was the difference.
'
Jordan Morgan:  He wasn't among the best 8 - he was stashed on IR - total red-shirt.

Bellamy/McManis:  Dont underestimate the STers value on a roster.  Bellamy beat out the surprising rookie FA WR Gentry and McManis prevented BW Webb (a readl cornerback) from making the team.  With Amukamura hobbled, Bears are one injury away from starting Bryce Callahan.

Deiondre Hall - more funny business I bet.  They didn't want to cut him so he makes the team then they IRd and can bring him back later this season.  Then they quickly re-signed John Jenkins who is the only legit backup to Goldman.

Too bad about Houston - huge whole to fill.  Hopefully, McPhee is good to go.  You'd have loved to see 2 quality backups to Floyd and Young.  Look for the BEars to go with more 4 man fronts for passing with Hicks playing DE and Robertson-Harris and Ballard as DTs.

Ok, now I got to lookup this new HB and WR they just added to the roster.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2017, 11:35:27 pm
Tre McBride
- he runs a 4.41 40 but he can't gain separation?
- he has strong hands, wide catch radius, makes circus catches but had 3 drops in PS
- he was drafted by the Titans in 2015 - the last year OC Loggains was at Tennessee
- against the Bears in PS he was targeted 3 times with 2 catches for 28 yards
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2017, 09:28:43 am
Here is an article on our new additions:

https://beargoggleson.com/2017/09/04/chicago-bears-add-promising-talent-off-waivers/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2017, 11:13:01 pm
Agree or disagree with Mark Potash  of the Suntimes?

Bear-ometer: 6-9-1 — vs. Falcons (L); at Buccaneers (W); vs. Steelers (L); at Packers (L); vs. Vikings (W); at Ravens (L); vs. Panthers (L); at Saints (L); vs. Packers (W); vs. Lions (W); at Eagles (L); vs. 49ers (W); at Bengals (L); at Lions (T); vs. Browns (W); at Vikings (L)

Follow me on Twitter @MarkPotash
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 05, 2017, 11:17:01 pm
I saw a fantasy football show today on NFLN where a guy said start Jordan Howard against the Falcons.  He then said, "by the way the Bears are going to win this game".

He laid out how bad the falcons are against the run especially on the road.  The talking heads said why you making a prediction on the winner this is about fantasy football take that to the game prediction show.  He said I wasn't invited to that show and the Bears are going to win this game.

Or something to that effect.   
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2017, 11:06:19 am

I don't play fantasy football, I don't bet on games and I don't predict season records or predict winners vs the spread or outright.  Nothing wrong with any of those things I just don't get into it.

Defensively, the Bears are facing a QB who completed 70% of his passes last year and only threw 7 picks.  I think our front 7 can limit Freeman on the ground cuz our guys can't expect any help from the secondary as they will be busy doubling Julio Jones.  Let Freeman get his yards and make Ryan beat you with someone other than Jones.

Offensively, Vic Beasley a 4-3 OLB had almost half of the team's 34 sacks last year.  Do they line him up at DE on passing downs?    Bears got to be able to neutralize him on obvious passing downs.  But we all know it's going to be a conservative game plan with Howard.  Maybe they sprinkle in some wrinkles with Cohen but without legit deep threats, Bears offense will be limited.  Maybe they've been secretly hiding Kevin White from the rest of the league.

Bottom line - Bears have to overcome the huge mismatch at QB to win this one.  Ryan is top 3 and Glennon has to be at or near bottom 3 in the league.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 06, 2017, 11:19:58 am
Trubiskey named the backup to Glennon.  Sanchez is 3
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2017, 12:13:48 pm

Really?  I thought they'd continue this "we can't throw the poor kid to the wolves BS" and designate him the #3 guy.  Either way all 3 QBs dress.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 06, 2017, 04:28:52 pm
Really? I don't think so unless all 3 are active on game day. Usually only #1 and #2 are active on game day. They need to have the spot for ST and backups. I don't see #3 being active.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 06, 2017, 05:01:31 pm
Well here is the Bears announcement

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/mitch-trubisky-named-bears-no-2-quarterback/

“He’s one play away from going in,” Loggains said.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 06, 2017, 10:19:30 pm
Another one bites  the dust:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/6716658a-5e40-3f5c-abc2-81ca77318ccc/ss_bears-cut-ties-with-olb.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 07, 2017, 01:23:38 am
The decision to name Trubisky the second-stringer, Pace said, was a collaborative effort between him and the coaching staff. Trubisky and Sanchez will share practice-squad snaps, though the latter could be inactive on Sundays. It was telling that Pace praised Sanchez’s intangibles and his ability to be a good teammate.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 07, 2017, 05:27:18 am
Houston never did anything for us.  Waste of a lot of money.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 07, 2017, 07:26:17 am
(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/lamar-houston-injury-after-celebrating-sack-against-new-england.gif?w=640&h=353)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 07, 2017, 08:04:19 am
Dumb Asss. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on September 07, 2017, 08:53:48 am
Probably Belicheck VOODOO
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2017, 09:34:22 am

Houston never did anything for us.  Waste of a lot of money.

When he was healthy he was an asset.  There were games where he was unstoppable.  Unfortunately, he was just susceptible to knee injuries.

I think this last one wasn't an ACL tear but Pace probably said enough was enough.  If Kevin White wasn't a high number 1 pick he'd have probably been given his walking papers too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2017, 10:16:14 am
If Kevin White wasn't a high number 1 pick he'd have probably been given his walking papers too.

I am of the opinion that's coming very soon. If he doesn't produce this year, he may not be here next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2017, 10:30:43 am

Kevin White is a total unknown right now.   It was interesting how Glennon described him...strong, size, athletic...but did not mention speed which was supposedly one of his strongest attributes (4.35 combine 40).

First, he has to stay healthy, but after that he might just turn out to be just a guy...a possession receiver.   This might be OK, as his other supposed strengths were his ability to snatch jump balls and he has pretty good hands too.

If he can do that he won't get cut...but it won't justify his draft position which might cause many to label him a bust.  And he probably won't get that 2nd contract...with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2017, 10:59:21 am
I wasn't enamored with the pick when they drafted him. And to have success you have to have separation, and I haven't seen that. So my opinion of him hasn't changed. He cant be a bigtime receiver without separation. I haven't seen anything so far from him to shed the bust label. Like Fuller when the Bears didn't pick up his option, if White doesn't show much this season I can envision the Bears not picking up his option. As bad as our receiving corp is a trade of White is not entirely out of the question IMHO. However, nobody is going to give us anything for White if he cant produce. So really White is between a rock and a hard place.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 07, 2017, 11:07:43 am
Trubiskey named the backup to Glennon.  Sanchez is 3

AS it should be
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 07, 2017, 11:11:36 am
Alshon Jeffrey didn't get separation and still made plays.

I would guess with his leg in a cast such a long time the last two years it would take time to strengthen the leg back to normal
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2017, 11:14:22 am
I don't have my hopes too high on this but Like Dad always said, " Talk is cheap, its action that counts"

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/pernell-mcphee-ready-to-be-dominant-could-play-sunday-vs-falcons/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2017, 04:06:32 pm

Kevin White was my guy in the 2015 draft.  Loved the pick.  I mean, when was the last time the BEars had a speed WR that other teams feared?   Johnny Knox?

Yeah, he got injured...twice...so the pick looked like crap.  Oh, well.

Can he overcome having a steel rod put in his leg?  He had straight ahead speed but wasn't an extremely agile guy - not a precise route route runner.  So without that speed...can he be productive?

But if you read his scouting report you'd see that he does have some Alshon Jeffery in him.  Same height - same vertical and ability to high point the ball. 

Not saying he's the next Alshon but I think he's going to surprise some folks Sunday.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 07, 2017, 04:07:30 pm
Well, DirecTV auto-renewed me for Sunday Ticket Max for 6 payments of $62.99, which is ridiculous.

I called to cancel, and the best they offered me was $27 off each payment...which is still over $200 total.

I've seen and heard of people getting much better offers, so I went ahead and cancelled.

This weekend everyone gets it for free. Last year I got an email after week 1 offering the season for 4 payments of 24.99. I'll wait to see if a similar offer comes this year as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on September 07, 2017, 06:14:35 pm
Not worth the price - DTV needs to make it reasonable
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 07, 2017, 08:22:33 pm
Post what happens.  I am under the same stranglehold!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 08, 2017, 04:58:02 am
Well, DirecTV auto-renewed me for Sunday Ticket Max for 6 payments of $62.99, which is ridiculous.

I called to cancel, and the best they offered me was $27 off each payment...which is still over $200 total.

I've seen and heard of people getting much better offers, so I went ahead and cancelled.

This weekend everyone gets it for free. Last year I got an email after week 1 offering the season for 4 payments of 24.99. I'll wait to see if a similar offer comes this year as well.

I canceled a several years ago. If you consider the amount of games you see that are nationally televised, and look at what's left, that's a lot of money to pay. They sent me an offer last year of $99. I still declined. I have since gotten rid of direct all together. I know it's not the same, but I listen to the game on WBBM on the internet, and check out the replays on my phone.

I'm what's considered a cord cutter. I was paying $145. a month to direct, that's too much money. Now I have a sling subscription for $20. It has the espn's, TBS and TNT (which carry some baseball and basketball) and a few other avenues. I have a ROKU and fire stick. All the TV I can stand to watch..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 08, 2017, 08:08:11 am

Dave23

The Sunday Ticket MAX is 62.99/mo for 6 (whatever that is).  Regular Sunday ticket is 46.99/mo.

I too am interested in how your holdout works out.

Recently DirectTV (after being acquired by ATT) instituted some sort of billing cycle change that resulted in a $70 one time price increase.  Yet, my billing date never changed.  I had to talk to 3 different managers before they gave me a 12 month credit. 

Its just crazy what I'm paying ATT now monthly if you include cell phones along with DirecTV.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 08, 2017, 08:48:38 am
I fork out $100-$200 a year (my wife calls customer retention to negotiate) since I have to watch the Bears and NFL is my favorite hobby.

I believe I haven't missed a dozen games in nearly 50 years.

I figure the alternative is a sports bar where the game will have no sound, it will be full of 25 y/o drunks who know nothing about football as they scream at the TV's, and the $25 I spend on food and drink offsets the direct TV cost.

I like the option of choosing what games to watch aside from the Bears, and checking out other games during commercial breaks.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 08, 2017, 09:47:59 am
There was a student discount price of $99 dollars I know a friend of mine got (46 year old college student. HA !) but you've got to call up in like July/August when the 1st charges appear and complain and you'll get a better deal usually)....

I'm out of market for Bears games, so I record the Bears game while watching Redzone with my buds. I haven't missed more than 1 Bear game watched in full since I've had DTV (albeit its been tempting to do so the last half decade or so).....

After redzone, I watch the Bears game in full (ff through all comercials) and start recording the SNF game.

When done with Bears game (length depends on how crappy they look and how FF happy I get), I watch SNF football, again FF through all comercials and usually about true hafltime of that game I'm watching it live again.

A whole day of FB and NO COMMERCIALS !

At least its FB season again ! :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 08, 2017, 10:32:55 am

davebear

My sentiments exactly.  And in a bar you can't rewind and re-watch the play in slow motion.  And I love slow motion...I watch much of the game that way.

And I often times will also swap over to the Packers game and root for their opponent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 08, 2017, 10:34:07 am
Between mobile, directv, and internet, AT&T gets anywhere between $500-600 monthly from me...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 08, 2017, 11:11:58 am
Same here, spend a ton with those f uckers, would like to see  some more Bear wins!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 08, 2017, 11:21:42 am
I couldn't afford that kind of money, I would be bankrupt. I am not happy if they get more than $50/mo from me.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 09, 2017, 07:27:37 pm
I'm guessing these idiots are not going to get the warm welcome they think they are going to get.  I hope they get booed!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/09/kaepernick-rally-scheduled-for-soldier-field-on-sunday/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 10, 2017, 01:46:20 am



 It's Time !

It's BEARRSSE !!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 10, 2017, 06:14:00 am
Love Braveheart!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 10, 2017, 02:24:40 pm
Kevin White 1 catch and hurt.

Cohen is a stud!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2017, 04:35:55 pm
Word is that White has his shoulder wrapped, arm in a sling and was holding his wrist with his non-injured hand.

I am guessing he is going to be out awhile if he comes back at all this year.

http://www.12up.com/posts/5521085-kevin-white-injury-update-sounds-downright-awful?a_aid=42217
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 10, 2017, 04:38:44 pm
Close...Glennon looked better than Cutler. We need to throw more to the tight ends. The O will get better.

We got screwed on several holding penalties. Bellamy was held in the end zone - 2 ref there and no call. He had no chance to catch the ball. Cheap.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 10, 2017, 06:02:27 pm
I am guessing he is going to be out awhile if he comes back at all this year.

Yes, good idea, IR him now
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on September 10, 2017, 06:15:59 pm
It's a shame about the waste of Pace's first number one draft pick, but Kevin White isn't talented, whether it has been due to the injuries, or possibly he was never that good to begin with...there is nothing there....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2017, 06:22:25 pm
Glennon did not look better then Cutler.

He was horrible for most of the game and had two decent drives that weren't all running plays.

He did not turn the ball over under pressure but he did fold under pressure.  He gave up several big sacks when he should have just thrown it away or taken off running.

He is a statue with a slow release who stares down his receivers.

I think we win this game if we had kept Cutler.  Well unless he turned the ball over multiple times.  Never knew which Cutler was going to show from quarter to quarter.   
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 10, 2017, 06:27:08 pm
I don't believe our OLine protected him well enough
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 10, 2017, 06:54:05 pm
But that can be said when Cutler was here..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2017, 09:35:31 pm
Didn't we have a ton of drops in the end zone that cost us a game at the end of last year also?

Perhaps we need better receivers?

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2017, 09:54:11 pm
I would say these are not as bad as last years were.  However this is on the front page of MSN right now.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nflvideos/bears-drop-three-consecutive-potential-game-winning-touchdown-passes/vi-AArCIvc?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 10, 2017, 10:56:22 pm
You know if that was Aaron Rodgers that wouldn't happen. And those balls were all catchable, not wild throws

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2017, 11:03:37 pm
They were as well last year by what's his name who isn't here anymore.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2017, 11:05:44 pm
Even good QB's need their receivers to catch the ball or they are useless.

Early in the game Glennon wasn't giving them much of a chance but he threw some catchable balls in the 4th quarter.

He will start next game.  So we will see how he does next week.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 10, 2017, 11:07:18 pm
Better get Victor Cruz on the phone...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 10, 2017, 11:11:41 pm
Amen
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2017, 09:50:35 am

The pass to Bellamy was not an easy one - he led him a step too much.
The pass to Howard was easily the most catchable.  If he catches it they have 3rd down at the half yard line which would open up an option to run on 3rd or 4th down.  But you see Howard have to slow down and wait for the ball - if Glennon leads him without twisting  him around its a TD....if he catches it.
The pass to Miller was low but that's about the only place it could have been thrown.

The 4th down play was Glennon's fault not Massie's.  Massie is pushing his guy to the outside of the pocket, Glennon drifts back blindly right into the sack.  Step up toward the LOS and maybe a defender drops off a guy if he thinks Glennon might run.  Oh, wait.  Nevermind.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 11, 2017, 10:54:47 am
2nd pass, not sure Howard gets in, also how much time runs off if he catches is it and doesn't get in. Bellamy should've caught the first one. These guys are all paid professionals..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2017, 11:38:04 am

It appears to me that Howard gets knocked out of bounds either way.

They are all paid professionals.  Expecting our WR who is more of a special teamer and last on the depth chart to make a circus catch is a bit much to ask.  A better throw might have resulted in a different outcome.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 11, 2017, 01:29:04 pm
John Fox confirms that Kevin White sustained a fractured scapula and will be moved to IR. Surgery is a possibility, cannot yet rule it out.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2017, 02:11:13 pm
China doll. Brittle , built up enough to get drafted, nothing more. Didn't play long in college. Now what?  4 tight-end sets?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2017, 02:16:41 pm

Fortunately, nearly 80 percent of all shoulder fractures are non-displaced. This implies that the broken pieces remain near their anatomic position and treatment merely requires immobilization in a sling until the bone fragments heal. Most shoulder fractures heal in about six weeks.

After graduating high school, he attended Lackawanna College for two seasons before attending West Virginia University.[2] In his first season at West Virginia in 2013, he started nine of 11 games and had 35 receptions for 507 yards and five touchdowns. White returned his senior season in 2014 as a starter. He finished the season with 109 receptions for 1,447 yards and 10 touchdowns. He was named an All-American by numerous publications and was a finalist for the Fred Biletnikoff Award.[6]

College statistics
Receiving
Year   Team           GP   Rec   Yards   TDs
2013   West Virginia   10   35   507   5
2014   West Virginia   13   109   1,447   10
College Totals           23   144   1,954   15
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2017, 02:50:49 pm
Didn't like the White pick and like it even less now....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on September 11, 2017, 03:00:04 pm
sporty's god hates Kevin White. That's why he made him injury prone.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2017, 03:01:34 pm
Well, yeah, after reading this most would say stay away from this guy who ran a 4.35 40:

STRENGTHS Has desired NFL frame for the position. Goes and gets the ball with consistency. Had issues with drops in 2013 after transferring in from JUCO, but caught everything in sight in 2014. High points the ball. Asked to run more types of routes in 2014 and delivered with increased productivity. Terrific inside release to beat press coverage. Creates separation on crossers and can stop on a dime on hitch routes. Makes defenders work to get him down after the catch. Competes when the ball is in the air. Looks to turn upfield immediately after short catch, running with desire and some power.
WEAKNESSES Pigeon-toed and runs heel to toe. Allowed to play in space and must learn to get off line of scrimmage against press coverage. Must answer questions abound about his top-end speed. Wall-off blocker who could use more work in that area. Average wiggle after the catch and relies on effort over suddenness to pick up yards after catch.

NFL COMPARISON DeAndre Hopkins

BOTTOM LINE He's not just a product of West Virginia's system -- he's talented. White competes hard for the ball and has the leaping, hands and high-pointing ability to be a factor down the field despite his lack of top-end speed. His improvement from 2013 to 2014 is a great sign, but his 40 time could define his draft stock.


Can't blame him or Pace - this kid has just been flat out snake bit.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on September 11, 2017, 03:23:39 pm
He wasn't looking like he was ever going to make any kind of difference....snakebite or not, he didn't have a lot of talent.  He played slow and ran slog-footed
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2017, 03:36:59 pm

Really now - no talent?  How would you know?

You do know the kid was playing with a steel rod in his leg after the first injury in training camp before ever playing in a game - preseason or otherwise.

Let's see how fast and nimble you run with one in your leg. 

.2 of a second in a 40 yard is the difference between world class and pedestrian in the world of wide receivers.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2017, 03:37:37 pm
I think you can officially call him a bust
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2017, 04:00:52 pm

Yeah, just like Kyle Fuller....the guy who was starting in yesterday's Atlanta game after many of the "experts" in the media said he'd be cut because Fangio didn't like him.

OK, I'll admit his future is not looking good right now for Kevin White, but while he's still a Bear I'll be rooting for him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2017, 04:44:33 pm
If he lasts beyond March deadline I will be shocked.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 11, 2017, 04:56:11 pm
Bellamy was held on the pass play. Kind of hard to check a ball when you're held.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on September 11, 2017, 04:57:34 pm
He joins a long line of Bears first round draft choices that brought very little return.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 11, 2017, 06:57:11 pm
Very long line!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 12, 2017, 01:10:52 pm
Jonathan Anderson and Tanner Gentry getting promoted off the practice squad.  Doesnt sound good for Jerrell Freeman....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 12, 2017, 01:23:29 pm
They were saying Freeman could have a torn pectoral muscle.  If that is the case, he may also be done for the season.  Brother!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 12, 2017, 01:51:11 pm

That would suck - he's the best tackler on the team.  They are bringing Anderson off the practice squad - so somebody's got to go. 

Crossing my fingers but this is looking like deja vu all over again.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 12, 2017, 02:44:50 pm
WOW.....Freeman just put on IR.  Could we be any more cursed????
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 12, 2017, 02:48:35 pm
Freeman was one of the better defensive players in the league last season, his first with the Bears. He led the team with 86 total tackles, appearing in 12 games.

Freeman hasn't played an entire 16-game schedule since his second season in the league, 2013 with the Indianapolis Colts.

The Bears also made White's move to injured reserve official and announced that wide receiver Tanner Gentry and linebacker Jonathan Anderson were signed to the active roster from the practice squad. Additionally, running back Joshua Rounds and wide receiver Mario Alford were signed to the practice squad, and wide receiver Rueben Randle was released from injured reserve.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 12, 2017, 02:59:22 pm
One lousy game and they've already lost their best defensive player. His loss is far more impacting than losing White, who wasn't doing anything anyway healthy or otherwise.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 12, 2017, 07:00:52 pm
WTH? I'd like to see us change our position in the basement (out of it).. That continues to look less promising..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 13, 2017, 11:40:59 am
Freemans torn pec needs surgery.  Not a good sign.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2017, 12:20:52 pm
They don't practice hard during TC and we expect when the lights go on that they wont get injured ? That's when they are going to get injured. Good Grief!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2017, 02:03:51 pm

But what if they get injured practicing hard during TC? 

You can only do so much conditioning - injuries will occur and they will be random.

The problem with the Bears is they have decent front line talent at almost all positions (except WR) but once they get into the 2nd string the talent level decreases significantly.

Kwiatkowski was a nice draft choice by Pace in 2016 - he isn't the tackler that Freeman is but is better in pass coverage (he used to be a safety in high school).  He's not Freeman but at this position we have solid depth.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 14, 2017, 05:01:47 am
Good point.  It is not like we were sitting with Green Bay's depth at WR when the injuries occurred.  Let's hope Wheaton is the sh1t...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 14, 2017, 01:52:12 pm
But of course:

So another wideout injury. Bellamy out Thursday with ankle after being full-go yesterday. #Bears
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2017, 03:52:34 pm

Practicing too hard I guess.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 15, 2017, 08:13:02 am
Huge loss:

 
Chicago Bears linebacker Jerrell Freeman is out for the remainder of the season with a torn pectoral muscle. What he didn’t know, is that he actually sustained the injury on the first play of his team’s Week 1 loss to the Atlanta Falcons.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on September 15, 2017, 12:25:11 pm
Injuries hurting already....

Remember the 2001 Jauron squad?  They had just gotten Buffalo's strength and conditioning coach, Rusty Jones.  They had almost no injuries and won 13 games...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 15, 2017, 01:26:33 pm

Trib's Rosenbloom:

You people make me wonder sometimes. Many times, actually.

This time, it’s about Bears placeholder Mike Glennon. On Twitter and in emails all week, I’ve heard from a lot of people accepting and defending the play of Bears choice for starting quarterback in the wake of their failed comeback in the opener Sunday.

This is the sports version of the Stockholm syndrome — a hostage falls in love with one’s captor, which in this case is a lifetime of awful quarterbacking, or if not totally awful, then at least failed and losing.

Good news, people: Stevie Sunshine is here to disabuse brainwashed Bears fans of their sad, twisted outlook.

Your Bears captors have told you playing Glennon is best for the team and best for Mitch Trubisky. No and no.

The only “yes’’ in there is yes, it’s no surprise the Bears struggle with the care and feeding of quarterbacks.

What’s best for the Bears and Trubisky is Glennon’s not playing. What’s best for the potential franchise quarterback for whom the Bears traded up to draft are snaps. What’s best for the Bears is seeing how far Trubisky can go in a rookie season that shouldn’t be delayed.

One reason the Bears failed to beat the Falcons in a game that was right there for them at home is that quarterbacks like Glennon don’t complete those things. Quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers do. Compare the Bears quarterback choice to Rodgers, not Caleb Hanie, Jonathan Quinn or Cade McNown. Show some self-respect. Stop settling, people. Stop settling at the most important position on the field.

Glennon’s pass to Jordan Howard that many of you think should’ve been the winning TD? Glennon released the ball late, the defensive back had virtually closed, and Howard wasn’t going to score.

Should you want to continue your errant insistence, then back up a play and blame Glennon for not making a decent throw that Josh Bellamy could catch in the end zone for the winning score.

And the play after that looked late and low to Zach Miller. And then of course, the immobile Glennon was sacked to end the game. Fitting.

Look, the Bears had four shots from the Falcons 5 to win the game. They converted none. You have to wonder whether another quarterback — say, a young, dynamic, mobile draft choice — would’ve thrown more accurately or earlier or been able to run around to create a different ending.

But that’s just the last four downs. What about earlier in the game? What about going more than 26 minutes between Glennon completions?

People continue to say Glennon wasn’t the reason the Bears lost to the Falcons, but listen, the quarterback should be the reason a team wins, even the Bears.

Maybe Glennon will look like that guy Sunday against the Buccaneers, the team that drafted Glennon and couldn’t wait to bench him, twice, and we see why. A big game against his former team would be progress, if not a miracle.

Being good enough to lose shouldn’t be good enough for Bears fans, even if it appears to be fine with John Fox. This looks like the best argument to start Trubisky. He might’ve lost to the Falcons, too, but get on with the quarterback of the future when your present looks like this.

I heard from so many people taken hostage by generations of bad Bears quarterback choices. They voiced no problem with Glennon’s performance, and it must be because he didn’t stink out loud the way they feared or expected. Standards, people. Standards.
Copyright © 2017, Chicago Tribune

   
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 16, 2017, 08:32:29 am
I would disagree about Bellamy pass.  It was right on the money, but Bellamy was clearly held on play.  That was a TD, if not held by defender.  The pass to Howard and Miller were not properly placed/timed.  The sack was unwarranted, last play of game at least throw it up for grabs for some type of chance.  Overall Glennon is what he is...average.  The little bit I have seen of Trubisky pre-season, he looks special, his timing and placement seem really good.  Trubisky's ability to move and throw on the move seem above average.  I think if he had been in the game at the end we get the W, but obviously we will never know.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2017, 08:01:08 pm



 Holy motherfuuckin dog shiit it's week two and we are at Tampa that just went through


 a hurricane and guess which side the sympathy's of the Nation is going to be on.


 It's almost as if we won it we would be morally wrong.


 That shouldn't stop BEARRSSE.  >:(


  JJ has learned that shiit happens and you have to deal with it.  :D


 BEARRSSE !!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 17, 2017, 12:26:01 pm
Having to listen to game, as ol' hurricane irma has my cable knocked out. 

Glenn with the pick.  So much for Mr. ball security.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 17, 2017, 01:28:21 pm
Sorry to say you are lucky you are not having to watch this, it is UGLY.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 17, 2017, 02:34:13 pm
Definitely ugly. Cant take more of this.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 17, 2017, 08:53:54 pm
I have never seen a team be decimated with injuries like this year after year.

This was week 2 of a 16 game schedule for **** sake!  Only 5 O-linemen healthy.  Projected top 2 WR gone for the year.  Two inside LBers gone.

This is unreal especially after last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 17, 2017, 09:48:19 pm
I watched part of the Jets game and they even looked better than us
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2017, 03:16:35 pm



 Yes I would play Glennon for as many games as possible.


 Barring an injury he should start as many games as possible.


 There is no Offensive Line.


 There are no Wide Receivers.


 Running Backs have been reduced to zero.


 Let Glennon take the 14.5 million dollar hit.


 That's why he's being paid.


 Actually he didn't do too bad in a losing effort.


 Trubisky should be used in a clean up effort...


 assuming we have the lead late in the fourth quarter.


 Otherwise he stay's off the field.


 We got our clock cleaned by the BUC's .


 What the hell did you think was going to happen after what they went thru ?


 It wasn't about us ... it was about what they went through in a hurricane.


 Any team would have lost to Tampa after that.


 What about Pittsburgh ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 18, 2017, 07:04:16 pm
I have never seen a team be decimated with injuries like this year after year.

This was week 2 of a 16 game schedule for **** sake!  Only 5 O-linemen healthy.  Projected top 2 WR gone for the year.  Two inside LBers gone.

This is unreal especially after last year.


The problem is, they use the injuries as an excuse.. for this perpetual continuation of garbage...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2017, 07:13:04 pm
My experience is lot's of players get hurt when getting rolled by a superior team. 

So it is a chicken or the egg thing.

I don't think they were very good nor did they have a god game plan which is why they got behind then they press which is when players tend to get injured and make mistakes.  It snowballs out of control.

They might come back next week and give the Steelers a run for their money or they could get blown out.  Who knows except it is very unlikely they pull out a win any time soon.

Tough to win in the NFL when most of your starters on the OL are injured, your QB sucks and your WR's suck also.  The D is ok but not great.  They are exposed when they lose TOP. 

I don't have an answer.  Firing Fox right now fixes nothing. 

I guess we let the season play out and likely have to start all over again.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on September 18, 2017, 07:33:52 pm
I think it took Pace a couple years to change what he is trying to do.

While Cutler was around, the bears were trying to win with a very flawed team because they had a high dollar QB.  Things have shifted the other way this year. Its going to take time to fix this dumpster fire. Best way to do it, is end up with the #1 overall pick with a STRONG QB class coming out, when you already have your QB1. Let Glennon take the beating while it occurs. Let Turbinsky have a redshirt year.

Trade that #1 overall for a LOT of offensive lineman. There is no OL spot on this team that cannot use serious competition. none. Draft OL 1st, 2nd, your traded for 2nd from trading #1, then take a WR or TE and more of the same. work on defense the year after.

My one complaint is they did not draft OL after turbisky last year... stop with the small school high ceiling players, you can get them after the 4th round.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2017, 01:07:37 am

What beating?

Glennon if I'm not mistaken was sacked one time.  He attempted to throw the ball 46 times. 

O-line is pretty good pass blocking group assuming we get back Sitton...and Long.  Problem is Sunday they couldn't block the Bucs running the ball early.  Bears normally don't give up running but the turnovers forced them into pass mode.  46 pass/16 run is not the this Bears team ratio for success.

Not all Glennon's fault.  He is what he is.   A decent backup QB.  See Hoyer. 

Glennon is at his best when he has to make short throws in the middle of the field where the receiver has at least a step and he has no pressure. 

Did you see Matt Ryan against the Pack?  Not the most mobile QB but he extends the play with his feet.  Of course having Julio Jones and Sanu help.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 19, 2017, 04:37:03 am
The big issue with Glennon, is he invites the defense to stack the box.  They have no fear of him threatening them deep.  This is impacting the run game.  I am also hoping to write this game off to it being our floor.  If Atlanta game was our ceiling and the Bucs game was our floor, is something in the middle enough to wind 5 games this season?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2017, 09:10:49 am
When you stack the box its to stop the run and force a QB to pass. That's understandable and how you defense a team without WRs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2017, 09:40:51 am

Bellamy has speed - so does Thompson.  You got to go deep at least a couple times a game.  I think in the last 2 games we've gone deep maybe once?

The Trib had an article about Glennon/Loggains dinking and dunking down the field.  Bears did that with Hoyer last year - it requires almost perfection and no penalties to produce points. 

Not all Glennon's fault, some of it goes to our receivers and some to our offensive coordinator.   In the Atlanta game the Bears scored 17 points.  One of the 2 TD drives didn't require a single pass.  Got to score to win.

The question is can Trubisky make our mediocre WRs better than they are now?  That is, can he throw them open?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 19, 2017, 11:07:47 am
I think Trubisky scrambling around in the pocket and sometimes running the ball will get WR's open.  Now cant he receivers catch the ball when it is delivered is the question.

The Bears aren't likely to win the next two anyway.  I would continue to play Glennon maybe give Trubisky a series each game to ease him in.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 19, 2017, 12:03:34 pm
Or put him in at some stage of the game against Pittsburgh if it is a lost cause.  If he doesn't play against Pittsburgh, I think you sit him against Green Bay also.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 19, 2017, 01:15:11 pm
Coach Tomlin just said the Glennon is statuesque, in a good way.  He apparently led the Bucs over the Steelers a few years back and impressed Tomlin with his vision and anticipation.  Why do I get the feeling that opposing teams don't want to hurt him, keep him in games?  Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2017, 03:11:28 pm

Yeah, but what do you think his players are saying?  Pass rushers are looking forward to going after a QB that is anchored to a spot, rarely even moves around the pocket let alone takes off and doesn't throw down the field.

Personally, I think Fox is trying to maintain Glennon's confidence level by continually playing him in blowout games and declaring  him the starter a week before the game starts. 

With our defense, if Glennon can limit the turnovers (like ZERO) we can keep it close in the 4th quarter and hope to get a lucky break or 5. 

McPhee should be ready to take more snaps - maybe Amukamora comes back too.  (Any word on the O-line...Sitton? Long?)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 19, 2017, 04:16:58 pm
Haven't heard anything yet on the guards.  I was thinking, we have already had 4 guards injured, Kush, Long, Compton, and Sitton.  I wouldn't be surprised to see us activate Jordan Morgan
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 19, 2017, 05:45:09 pm
We lost Joseph off the practice squad...and it sounds like they are going to cut Gentry again...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 19, 2017, 06:35:35 pm



 If we are hurting at guard all the more reason to start Glennon.


 Trubisky is too high of a draft pick and a possible franchiser to throw to the wolves.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 19, 2017, 07:02:35 pm
Maybe they're trying to throw the season....not that throwing Trubisky in there to the wolves with a battered Oline is a great idea or anything...that's all they need-find a QB, QB dies behind horrible Oline....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2017, 07:22:18 pm
If anybody is going to play Cutler it needs to be Glennon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 19, 2017, 11:12:19 pm
I'd say it would make a lot more sense to play Trubisky if they had all their wideouts available and the Oline was healthy. But with losing top D talent already and wideouts getting knocked out for the season, this season is all but shot to pieces anyway so might want to just red shirt him and let Glennon get beat to snot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 20, 2017, 07:35:08 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2017/09/chicago-bears-hold-a-massive-tryout-with-some-interesting-names/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 20, 2017, 10:49:25 am
Marlon Brown can play. The ILB also sounds interesting.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2017, 12:38:47 pm
It looks like we are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2017, 12:56:01 pm
 
When the bottom of the barrel is better than what you have on the roster - what does that tell  you?

Actually, WR is really the black hole.  Even with Freeman and Kwiatkowski out I still like Christain Jones and Anderson and Timu are respectable backups.  If we can get Long/Sitton back and Wheaton gets on his game the rest of the offense should be lower barrel given the passing game talent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 20, 2017, 01:30:10 pm
It doesn't really matter who we line up at WR if our QB is just going to check down every single play...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2017, 02:11:18 pm

Glennon actually improved this week on the check downs.  23 passes to WRs/TEs and only 8 to halfbacks.  Average per pass play was a respectable 6.7 yards.  And he threw for over 300 yards at almost a 70% completion percentage (some of that was garbage time near the end of the game).

The 2 picks (and the fumble) killed him and the Bears.

In watching the replay of the Sims pick, you can see potentia-bust Shaheen line up to the right and run straight to the sideline.  After the ball is snapped 3 guys go right to Sims and Shaheen is totally ignored.  I think Glennon wanted a quick pass and was off a beat, probably due to the delivery of the ball.

On the Bellamy pick, Bellamy had a step on the DB but he doesn't come back to the ball on his out.  He ran straight to the sideline.   Couple that with the lack of velocity and the placement of the pass and its pick 6 city.

Also, has Glennon attempted a screen pass in either game?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2017, 04:35:02 pm

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-mitch-trubisky-debate-real-talk-spt-0920-20170919-story.html

Wishy-washy writing.  At least Rosenboob has an opinion.  These guys...argh.

I'm not advocating benching Glennon...just yet.  I think Mitch is learning by watching the games and going over the film after the games and preparing for the new opponent.  Eventually, the amount of learning will plateau and he will need to play to advance.

We all learned how to drive a car by getting some instruction before taking the wheel but you never really learn to be a good driver until you actually drive.  Trubisky can't become an NFL QB by holding a clipboard.  He's got to play!   

Sometimes I think the guy's confidence that Fox is protecting is Glennon's not Trubisky's.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 20, 2017, 05:42:03 pm



 Fox must want to protect both.


 When you think about it both of them are cherries in DA BEARS organization.


 I'm ok with 4-12 as long as we produce improvement from game to game.


 The BUCs game was there's because of their situation with a hurricane.


 I could see us getting knocked out there as any team would have playing the Bucs.


 Pittsburgh should be interesting.


 I think we are down to no WR's ... no RB's ... just TE's.


 Nobody here after the draft thought we were going to the playoffs did they ?


 What if MT - Shaheen is the greatest hookup of all time ?


 Like Brady - Gronkowski ... would you take that chance now with no protection ?


 We'd have to be pretty desperate in a division where we are the underdogs this year.


 With no chance of getting anywhere no matter what we do ... except improve.


 Game by game. Remember who the 1983 BEARS were.


 The foundation for what was to come.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 20, 2017, 06:00:34 pm
It looks like Long and Wheaton are likely to play.  That will help. 

But what about Sitton?

I like Trubisky starting week 5 unless Glennon seriously steps it up.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2017, 06:03:32 pm
Shaheen?  Trying not to criticize but I think this guy might become a serviceable TE.  Look at all the TEs drafted before him and see how quick they are.  Shaheen looks like he lumbers.

The media was gushing over this guy in camp - 6-6 and played basketball in college.  The Steeler TE this weekend is 6-7...and he's slow too.

I guess I should give him a break this year, maybe next year he'll be ready and can use his size and hands in the red zone.   But I'm just not seeing it with him so far being any kind of downfield threat.   (Glad we didn't cut Miller like so many predicted).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2017, 06:05:24 pm
Trib says Sitton and Compton did not practice...could be game time decisions.  Same with Long.  Bearsbreally don't have a lot of options right now with only 5 healthy guys.  Morgan the rookie was stashed on IR - so he can't help.

In other injury news, Fox expressed hope receiver Markus Wheaton (pinkie) and cornerback Prince Amukamara (ankle) would play this weekend. Wheaton was a full participant in Wednesday's practice. Amukamara was limited. Others limited were Long, Jordan Howard (shoulder), Kendall Wright (shoulder), Akiem Hicks (shoulder) and Benny Cunningham (ankle).

Josh Sitton (ribs), Tom Compton (hip) and Mark Sanchez (neck) did not practice.


Sanchez hurt his neck?  Geez...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2017, 07:28:08 pm
When the bottom of the barrel is better than what you have on the roster - what does that tell  you?

It tells you your roster stinks and you havent drafted well.l
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 21, 2017, 05:00:05 am
And haven't done your job in free agency..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 21, 2017, 07:52:37 am
IMHO there is a stench coming from Halas Hall that some players may also be taking "business decisions" when it comes to playing hurt (nothing wrong with that in theory), but why risk your neck (and livelihood) for a coaching "staph" that appears can't get out of their own way ?

To put it differently, if the players felt they were "in the hunt" I really believe some of the injuries would go from "questionable" to "probable".  It wouldn't change the solid injuries (torn muscles etc) but there is a such a stench of defeat emanating from that locker room it can't be covered up.

That's on John Faux & Co..

Ryan Pace. History is calling on line 1. You'd better make the next HC a grand slam or you are yet another failure for the Chicago Bears.

(From a Bear friend of mine- "AND SCREW ERNIE ACCORSI TOO !" :D )
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 21, 2017, 08:20:06 am
That semi full of money had better be warming up right now for its trip across I-94 to ann arbor. Right now.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 21, 2017, 09:56:34 am
Harbaugh is a serious pipe dream.. I'd love to see it, but that ain't happening..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 21, 2017, 11:51:43 am

Bears played the NFC representative in the Super Bowl and a Tampa Bay team that had a winning record last year on the road. 

They were not favored in either matchup.  So let's tap the breaks on firing Fox just yet.

Here's a quick look at the Bears' drafts the 3 years before Pace hired on in 2015:

2014
1   14   Fuller, Kyle   CB   Virginia Tech   
2   51   Ferguson, Ego   DT   LSU   
3   82   Sutton, Will   DT   Arizona State   
4   117   Carey, Ka'Deem   RB   Arizona   
4   131   Vereen, Brock   SS   Minnesota   f/Den
6   183   Fales, David   QB   San Jose State   f/TB
6   191   O'Donnell, Pat   PT   Miami   
7   246   Leno, Charles   OG   Boise State   f/Den

2013
1   20   Long, Kyle   OG   Oregon   
2   50   Bostic, Jonathan   IB   Florida   
4   117   Greene, Khaseem   OB   Rutgers   
5   163   Mills, Jordan   OT   Louisiana Tech   f/Atl
6   188   Washington, Cornelius   DE   Georgia   
7   236   Wilson, Marquess   WR   Washington State   f/Atl

2012
1   19   McClellin, Shea   OB   Boise State   
2   45   Jeffery, Alshon   WR   South Carolina   f/DAL/STL
3   79   Hardin, Brandon   FS   Oregon State   
4   111   Rodriguez, Evan   TE   Temple   
6   184   Frey, Isaiah   DC   Nevada   
7   220   McCoy, Greg   DC   TCU   
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 21, 2017, 12:40:42 pm
Is Corneilus Washington start for Detroit?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2017, 01:16:25 pm
From Brad Bigg's mailbag



Is there any option in sight to acquire a legit wide receiver or two? Is that as dire of a situation as I think? — @DrBBQ

Unfortunately no one is giving away legit receivers right now. The Texans were trying to trade Jaelen Strong, a former third-round pick, but he has been so underwhelming since entering the league that no one was willing to make a play for the former Arizona State star. The Jaguars wound up claiming Strong on waivers. That’s the kind of player who can be had in trade right now. If you’re willing to fork over a draft pick, you can have the fifth receiver on someone else's roster, the guy who is hardly playing or maybe is not dressing on game days. The Bears brought in six receivers for a tryout this week but have yet to add any to the roster. That list included Marlon Brown, Bug Howard, former Northwestern star Kyle Prater, Tevaun Smith, Daniel Williams and James Wright. Howard played at North Carolina with Mitch Trubisky. Here’s the best news I can tell you: I believe Markus Wheaton will return after missing the first two games to make his Bears debut Sunday against his former team, the Steelers. That should change the dynamic at wide receiver a little.

What's with Jordan Howard? Injured? Bad offense hurting him? Defense with more tape on him? O-line shuffling? All of the above? Does he rally back? — @KMGreen6

It’s probably a combination of things you touched on, and there’s another big factor involved. The Bears have been forced to ditch the running game in both of their games. They went to passing exclusively on their final two possessions against the Falcons and were doing nothing but chucking it in the second half of the loss to the Buccaneers. When a team gets behind on the scoreboard and is forced to become one-dimensional, the running game is going to suffer. Howard insists his shoulder injury is not an issue. The offensive line has been juggled a little already, but I think there is a decent chance left guard Kyle Long will return to face theSteelers this week. I think Howard has a chance to rally back, absolutely, but he certainly has looked a little off. Let’s give it a few more games and see if he gets things rolling.
Bears running back Jordan Howard




What's the guard situation looking like currently? — @bigsnacks99

Josh Sitton left the game Sunday with what the team announced was a rib injury. I can say that Sitton didn’t look like he was in bad shape after the game, but he’s a tough guy. I think there is a decent chance Kyle Long suits up at left guard for the first time this season Sunday against the Steelers. He’ll probably wind up being limited on the injury report Wednesday, but I am just guessing. Tom Compton left the game Sunday with a hip injury. The Bears haven’t made a move to sign a veteran lineman or promoted one from the practice squad at this point, so that bodes well. Let’s see what shakes out.


Whom do the Bears take with the first pick in the draft next year? — @vegasoz

The Bears are not going to have the No. 1 pick in the 2018 draft. It looks like there could be a tussle for that down the stretch in December, but the Jets are truly rotten right now and I don’t know that they’re going to get a whole lot better as the schedule unfolds. The 49ers have been inept offensively, but I’d expect them to be a little more productive as Kyle Shanahan gets things settled. The Browns? Well, they’re the Browns and are rolling with a rookie quarterback. There are some bad teams and right now the Bears look like they belong in that category, but I don’t see them competing for the top pick. What will they do with their first-round pick? They’re going to have a boatload of room in terms of the salary cap and I would expect them to be aggressive, as usual, in free agency. You’ll have a much better idea of what they’re looking at or where their needs are after the dust settles in free agency. Right now their top three positions of need, in no particular order, are wide receiver, outside linebacker and cornerback.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 21, 2017, 03:00:28 pm



 We had our chance to solidify Defense in 2017 draft,


  but we blew it on gimmicks of Offense instead.


 Now we have to cheer for what we have.


 And hope for the best that's been handed to us.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 21, 2017, 03:05:59 pm
Bears played the NFC representative in the Super Bowl and a Tampa Bay team that had a winning record last year on the road. 

They were not favored in either matchup.  So let's tap the breaks on firing Fox just yet.

Here's a quick look at the Bears' drafts the 3 years before Pace hired on in 2015:

2014
1   14   Fuller, Kyle   CB   Virginia Tech   
2   51   Ferguson, Ego   DT   LSU   
3   82   Sutton, Will   DT   Arizona State   
4   117   Carey, Ka'Deem   RB   Arizona   
4   131   Vereen, Brock   SS   Minnesota   f/Den
6   183   Fales, David   QB   San Jose State   f/TB
6   191   O'Donnell, Pat   PT   Miami   
7   246   Leno, Charles   OG   Boise State   f/Den

2013
1   20   Long, Kyle   OG   Oregon   
2   50   Bostic, Jonathan   IB   Florida   
4   117   Greene, Khaseem   OB   Rutgers   
5   163   Mills, Jordan   OT   Louisiana Tech   f/Atl
6   188   Washington, Cornelius   DE   Georgia   
7   236   Wilson, Marquess   WR   Washington State   f/Atl

2012
1   19   McClellin, Shea   OB   Boise State   
2   45   Jeffery, Alshon   WR   South Carolina   f/DAL/STL
3   79   Hardin, Brandon   FS   Oregon State   
4   111   Rodriguez, Evan   TE   Temple   
6   184   Frey, Isaiah   DC   Nevada   
7   220   McCoy, Greg   DC   TCU   

That's a pathetic 3 years of drafting..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 21, 2017, 03:07:58 pm
I see McClellin is playing for the Pats.. I guess, I see no stats for this season..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 21, 2017, 03:27:46 pm

He really didn't have any stats with the Bears either...and he played quite a bit.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 21, 2017, 04:53:10 pm
true dat
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 21, 2017, 07:50:10 pm
Think he's hurt right now...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 22, 2017, 08:37:58 am
I think they put him on IR.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 22, 2017, 03:47:50 pm



 Steelers at home in Soldiers can be defeated.


 All it takes is a team on the rise.


 This fuuckin team is headed in that direction.


 BEARRSSE music needed


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgR4SDxBJAo
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 24, 2017, 10:58:12 pm



 Told ya.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2017, 12:26:53 am



 Next time Green Bay comes to OUR House.


 You saw what was working @ G.B.


 You saw what was not working @ G.B.


 BEARRSSE !!
 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on September 29, 2017, 12:04:26 pm
JJ

First time since 1933 have the Packers lead the series.

95 - 94  - 6!


Can you wake up beerbellyacher and remind him?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2017, 02:57:03 pm
I agree with this article.  Glennon is just horrible and has not played even average in a single game this year.  Trubisky can't do any worse.  Plus it will be a reason to watch.  If Glennon is there QB there is no point in even watching.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/09/29/bears-turn-to-mitchell-trubisky-mike-glennon-qb-controversy/

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 29, 2017, 03:35:05 pm

Gabriel is a little over the top with some of his comments.  Even though some of his Glennon comments are a harsh, maybe too much so - I pretty much agree that it's time to go in what we often hear coaches and GMs say as a different direction.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 29, 2017, 03:44:30 pm
Gabriel declared that Glennon was the worst Bears QB in the history of the franchise in his twitter (https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/913568033087639552).  It's a pretty dark road down memory lane.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 29, 2017, 04:11:23 pm
He's hovering right there with Quinn for sure. Cut him, pay him, move on and learn from the experience. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 29, 2017, 05:11:54 pm

We don't need to compare Glennon to past Bear QBs - we need to compare Glennon to current Bear QBs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2017, 05:25:28 pm
He seems like a nice guy but he sucks.  He is horrible.

A statue with a super slow release leads to sacks and fumbles.  Plus he does not throw an accurate pass very often.  He holds on to the ball to long and makes slow decisions.

Trubisky will make some mistakes and we will still lose more often then not.  However he will be learning and it will be exciting.

Trubisky's ability to run will make a ton of difference.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2017, 05:26:22 pm
The difference between the two was night and day during the pre-season.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2017, 05:43:45 pm
This is all you need to know:

Glennon has accounted for eight of the Bears' nine turnovers in four games this season with five interceptions and three lost fumbles.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on September 29, 2017, 07:45:59 pm
Glennon has just been a disaster.  It's a razor's edge league and he's horrible...gives the bears no help toward winning, and is more than likely to do something to lose it. 

If you are Ryan Pace, you have completely pissed away 18 million dollars on a guy that you identified as a starter in the league that can't play at all. The Bears aren't any better than they were after two years of Trestman and three of Emory. They are not getting anywhere other than firmly established in the basement of the NFC North.

Scene: Chicago Bears 2017 Company Christmas Party, Ryan Pace and Virginia McCassky.

Pace (quiver in voice):  "Um....sorry about the eighteen million dollars."

I think people are assuming that Fox is gone and Pace gets to pick another coach. I'm not so sure.  Supposedly, it was Pace's call to get Fox. Of all the guys out there that he should know about, he hired this wheezing geezer on the threshold of his golden years.   

Sigh... 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2017, 08:38:57 pm
If Trubisky works out which from the small amount we have seen he appears to have all of the tools.  Then the Bears will be fine down the road. 

At this point it is not looking like Fox will be there and Pace may be gone as well.  Thid is assuming they keep starting Glennon who is an absolute train wreck and who by the way got Meredith hurt with a bad throw. 

However if Trubisky comes in and shows promise and the team rallies around him they may both stick.

Really the only reasonable answer is to start Trubisky against the Vikings.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 29, 2017, 09:25:22 pm
Actually I remember pretty clearly that Ernie Accorsi was hired as consultant and he recommended Pace then heavily influence Pace/Bears towards Fox.  Pace was the youngest GM at time I believe, I do not think he got to hand pick "his coach".  I think Fox is gone, I think Pace stays.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 30, 2017, 06:14:57 am
On WSCR yesterday, Danny Parkins had a good take on Pace when a caller said that the Bears should clean house including Pace.  Parkins responded that Pace was going nowhere until the evaluation of Trubiskey was well underway.  Even if Tru looks like Goff in his rooking season, Goff has looked pretty good to start his second season.

I was thinking about, what if we had selected Gase instead of Fox?  On the one hand, Gase appears to be a young up and comer paired with a young GM and Gase got the most out of Cutler.  But that could lead us to still having Cutler and not drafting Trubiskey, hmmm  The unknown will soon become known
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 30, 2017, 06:21:45 am
Pace should get no pass on this mess. No one thought it was a good idea to grab Glennon to begin with and questioned the move and it's turned out worse than thought, with him being one of the worst QB's this team has had and that's no small feat considering the stable of clown car QB's this team has amassed throughout the years. Not to mention Pace needs to draft better. He's doing better than the last GM but anyone with a beating heart could do better than that. This team could sure use help from a 2nd round wideout or LB over a TE sitting the bench...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 30, 2017, 06:23:30 am
I am not giving him a pass, but I think he needs time to get through what was left to him when he got here. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 30, 2017, 08:11:28 am
Actually I remember pretty clearly that Ernie Accorsi was hired as consultant and he recommended Pace then heavily influence Pace/Bears towards Fox.  Pace was the youngest GM at time I believe, I do not think he got to hand pick "his coach".  I think Fox is gone, I think Pace stays.

This is what I recall also, Pace didnt pick Fox, Fox was forced, er, recommended on Pace.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 30, 2017, 10:04:19 am
Well the Foxy thing is mostly on Pace for letting Teddy and/or Acorsi nudge him along.  When Pace was being interviewed, I'm sure the most important question was a list of possible HC.  Teddy already interviewed Gase and Quinn before the Pace hire.  Fox being fired..er I mean "mutually agree to part ways" may or may not have come out of left field.  Fox may be a dense stubborn old coach, but he knows how to read the writing on the wall and he is good friends with Acorsi.

I like Pace and no doubt he will be given the opportunity to hire another coach.  But I don't think anybody on this board is giving him a pass whatsoever.  His drafts are a decent improvement from Emery, hit or miss like everyone else.  Trubisky will make or break his career.  Kevin White broken bones IMO is not his fault.  What is his fault are the FA debacles...Glennon, McDonald, Demps, Wheaton, Rolle, Royal, etc.  Betting on Meredith and White to stay healthy and throwing sh!t like Giant leftovers Cruz and Randle out there to see if something sticks.  Letting Slauson go when the cost savings was minimal.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 30, 2017, 11:16:02 am
http://wgnradio.com/2017/09/30/payton-presser-bears-have-to-unleash-trubisky/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 01, 2017, 11:41:07 am
Watching Saints/Dolphins this morning...I don't give a **** how bad Glennon's looks, I'm so glad we don't have Cutler any longer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 01, 2017, 02:54:02 pm
Strange thing with the Trevathan suspension.

Back in the Butkus days that was exactly the kind of hit they would try for.
In fact their goal when they had the opportunity was for the first man to hold up the ball carrier so the second could lay the wood.

Come to think of it, anyone remember Doug Plank.


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 01, 2017, 03:06:04 pm
Try to think of Chuck Cecil.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 01, 2017, 03:18:17 pm
Bears have improved a bit on drafting, but still have too many losses from draft classes to turn this around.
 Players who are injured or on the bench
 Active players
Players no longer on team

(https://content-na.drive.amazonaws.com/cdproxy/templink/EYag_ADyvv_NboxI6RQubeBibQDvD62NuCaHrcGtCwwpX92IB?viewBox=1071%2C948)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest77 on October 02, 2017, 08:14:23 am
Seems like Deshaun Watson is tearing it up.  That's got to give a Pace a little heartburn. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 02, 2017, 08:50:23 am
Watson has talent but he also has some damn good recievers who can turn his off-target throws into completions- something this team is bereft of (and that IS on Pace). Hopkins and Fuller are so much better than any the Bears have.....

There is as good a chance of tbe Bears picking a good HC to replace Faux as they do of picking good QBs (e.g. little to none). Trubisky may be the real deal, but he'll be thrown in to sink or swim with a sub-par WR corps and coaching "staph". If he shines it will be truly remarkable and something to behold but the track record of this team is abysmal.....

This team has a muddled feeling about it. No identity (other than losing or playing close games and not being able to overcome their own mistakes). The players have not check out yet (outwardly) but I fully expect some "business decisions" over the next few weeks if there is not any turnaround (and as soon as this week if Glennon is starting QB).....

Who knows ? Maybe Faux & co turn this sinking ship around. But the odds are VERY long on that......
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2017, 09:45:13 am
Looks like QB1 has changed hands.  Mitchell it is according to AOL.com report I just got on my phone.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 02, 2017, 09:46:17 am
Just heard that too
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2017, 09:46:52 am
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10/02/bears-name-mitchell-trubisky-starting-quarterback/

Report: Bears To Name Mitchell Trubisky Their Starting Quarterback
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2017, 10:09:30 am
The Bears left the door open to a quarterback change after last Thursday’s loss to the Packers and it appears they are going to walk through it this week.

According to multiple reports, the Bears will bench Mike Glennon and start Mitch Trubisky, who they traded up to take with the second overall pick in this year’s draft.

The move is not a particularly surprising one after Glennon’s four turnovers against Green Bay and eight turnovers in the first four games of the season. While coach John Fox stressed that quarterback is one of 11 offensive positions and that there’s need for improvement across the board, it was getting harder and harder to believe that Glennon was being held back by his teammates.

The Bears will host the Vikings next Monday night, which gives Trubisky an extra day to prepare for his regular season debut.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2017, 10:12:16 am
Well that's good news if its legit. Lets see if and when this actually comes from the Bears themselves. However, I will say this about the situation. During the Bears/Packer game I saw a very disturbed appearing coach John Fox on the sideline. I guess after watching film the coaching staff had seen enough of Mike Glennon. Was this move an obvious outcome? Probably. Fox wants to save his job. He needs wins to do that and those wins aren't coming with Mike Glennon or even Sanches. Trubisky is the best hope for even one more win. Fox doesn't like to be embarrassed. He may go down but he sure doesn't want to go down without a fight. He is too good a coach for that.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 02, 2017, 10:57:51 am
I wouldn't call him too good a coach... maybe too stubborn coach but not a good coach :D

Here's hoping the modern era Bears QB nightmare is over. Would be nice to have an excellent quality starter caliber QB for a decade or so.....

But the WR corps ? (or is that corpse ?) is a disaster. Here's hoping Mitchell can make chicken salad of out that chicken poop. Hell, even a little improvement there would help Howard & Cohen a ton......
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2017, 11:04:41 am
Seems like Deshaun Watson is tearing it up.  That's got to give a Pace a little heartburn.

It shouldn't.  Watson was probably more NFL ready when drafted given his 2 successful years at Clemson.

But Trubisky has paid his dues on the bench - time for a change...NOW.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 02, 2017, 11:07:38 am
Agreed about Trubisky time, but 4 weeks on the bench is not 'paying his dues', lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2017, 11:12:43 am
2 things.

Maybe Pace has instructed Fox to give Glennon a legitimate chance to establish himself.  I'm sure it's not just Fox' decision.

We need to get Wheaton more involved in the offense.  A good QB can even make mediocre WRs productive.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2017, 11:33:53 am
Agreed about Trubisky time, but 4 weeks on the bench is not 'paying his dues', lol.

Watson got into the first game of Houston's season and started 3 since then.

So compared to Watson Trubisky has paid his dues.  This crap about QBs having to hold a clipboard for a season or two is outdated. 

Tarik Cohen performed in the preseason, Shaheen did not.   So Trubisky, based on his performance, now plays LESS than Shaheen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 02, 2017, 11:38:41 am
He paid a small fee.  ;D  And I think most of us were thinking 'ok, sit the kid and learn from....who??' Sitting and learning works if you've already got a good QB. Bears don't and haven't had that luxury. So it's Trubisky time!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 02, 2017, 12:03:57 pm
Are you sitting down? Bears are finally starting Mitch Trubisky
Steve RosenbloomBy Steve Rosenbloom•Contact Reporter
The RosenBlog

October 2, 2017, 11:21 AM

The Bears decided their home game against the Vikings Monday night is the best time to start the Mitch Trubisky era.

No, the best time to start the quarterback of the future was the night they traded up from third to second overall to draft him.

Of course, the quarterback-challenged Bears got it wrong.

And of course, the quarterback-challenged Bears took six months to correct their mistake.

GM Ryan Pace jumped at the chance to bid against himself to overpay Mike Glennon, a mediocre, uninspiring sort who twice lost his starting job in Tampa.

Pace jumped so high at that chance, in fact, that he guaranteed Glennon the starting job for the 2017 season. The whole season. A guy who lost his starting job to Josh McCown was guaranteed an NFL starting job for a full season for a franchise that has been clueless about quarterback forever.

It looked like a wreck waiting to happen, and it happened.

Glennon has thrown five interceptions and fumbled an equal number of times in four games this season. That’s one screwup short of the league lead. This, after Pace told us how much he liked the guy’s accuracy and ball security.

And that’s how the gawky, immobile quarterback with the painfully slow release who was promised a year lasted only a month, although every Bears fan will swear it felt like a year.

It appears someone stanched the leak of stupid gas in Halas Hall long enough to right the embarrassment, and word of the change reached the public via ESPN on Monday and was confirmed by the Tribune’s Rich Campbell that Trubisky will start against the Vikings at Soldier Field on Monday night.

Finally.

Look, the only thing that matters this season is Trubisky. Glennon’s done. Mark Sanchez is a ghost payroller. John Fox is interim. So, it’s only about Trubisky and always has been, even if the Bears didn’t know it, and Monday at home against an opponent rocked by big personnel losses looks like a great time to start getting the rookie mistakes out of the way.

The Vikings lost star rookie running back Dalvin Cook to a torn ACL against the Lions on Sunday. They already had been without starting quarterback Sam Bradford, which meant they were down to Case Keenum quarterbacking and Latavius Murray running. That would be bad in the fourth exhibition game, and here it was in a real game.

Perfect. The Vikings will give the ball to the Bears, if not on turnovers – Minnesota committed three Sunday --- then on three-and-outs. Trubisky will get a lot of chances. A lot of snap. A lot of reps. That’s what the Bears need him to get.

The Bears haven’t wanted to dump the entire hero role on Trubisky, and I get that. So, get a load of this: Lions running back Ameer Abdullah rushed for 94 yards on 20 carries against the Vikings, the type of running game you can imagine the Bears mounting with Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen.

I realize the Bears wide receivers might be the worst in the league, but perhaps they won’t look as bad when their quarterback has a quick release and a strong arm, not to mention mobility to keep plays alive instead of getting strip-sacked. Receivers who can’t get open on timing routes suddenly get open in the chaos of scrambling. They had no chance of that with the lamp post formerly known as Glennon.

Amid the many reasons the change needed to made, let me acknowledge this: It’s possible Trubisky will stink. But he can get better. Glennon stinks and he can’t. Ballgame.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2017, 01:15:32 pm

Not surprised of the decision just surprised it was announced a week before the game.  I guess they couldn't hide this from the media and keep the Vikings guessing.

This is not an easy opponent for Trubisky - there really aren't any in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2017, 01:54:03 pm
let us Bear fans hope he's terrific right off the bat.  Cause as we all know, the more film the other teams get, the more your options as a qb dwindle. After about 6 games, no gimmick is going to help  you.  You better be good.  To me this is Pace's final shot. If he pans, him and fox get tickets out of midway to anywhere out of Chicago. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2017, 01:56:10 pm
I am really looking forward to next monday night.  And it will be a home game, so that should help. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2017, 02:26:20 pm
If this rumor holds true, the Bears better draft a QB next draft. Why? Because the way QBs go down in the NFL you better have a quality backup to your starter, and the Bears don't have one. I don't believe they even still have Shaw as a backup.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2017, 02:42:56 pm
Its true, I saw a tweet from the Bears...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2017, 02:43:58 pm
Chicago Bears‏Verified account
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Mitchell Trubisky will start Monday night vs. Vikings.

📰: http://chgobrs.com/2khHrLj
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2017, 04:10:33 pm
If I had to guess, Fox was told "We've seen enough of Glennon"
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2017, 04:38:04 pm
From the Suntimes and 10 takeaways from the Bears’ decision to start Mitch Trubisky
By Adam L. Jahns
@adamjahns | email

10. Last one: The Bears organization needed this jolt. There are real feelings of rejuvenation. This is the start of a new era for the franchise.

I agree with the first statement, the Bears did need a jolt in the right direction. How will this work out doesnt necessarily mean "the start of a new era for the franchise."

While it could end up that way, I think there is more hope that it does than actual fact. The Bears certainly need for it to work out that way. I believe the season needs to end before such a determination is

made.




Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on October 02, 2017, 08:00:29 pm
 Kudos to the Bear's brass for not being as stupid as I thought they were. Trubisky,IMO,will represent himself respectably. He's an instant upgrade to the turnover machine that does not have Cutler's arm. I think his insertion jacks his teammates. With that said I see this as a pickem game. His talent automatically opens up the run game and he's gonna make some plays. However,he'll also make some rookie mistakes. More because of timing than understanding of the game.
 
 I'll start this topic off. What kind of performance will Trubisky have Monday night? IMO it should look something like this:

 Pass completions - 15 of 25 for a 60% completion ratio.

 Passing yds. - a modest 187 yds.  I think we run the ball down their throats.

 TD/INT - 1 / 1

 Rushing yds. - 35 yds.

  I won't predict who wins because we have so many injuries ........ again!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2017, 08:12:42 am
I think the new ERA of the franchise starts next year when we steal Harbough away from MI.  I am hoping the end of the atrocious QB play for the Bears starts this coming Monday night. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 03, 2017, 08:45:53 am
+1.  Forget what I said about a semi of money.  Load an ore carrier with cash, (put more in it than a semi ) sail it up Lake Michigan, under the bridge, down Huron, dock at Detroit and start blasting "Bear down Chicago Bears" with the foghorn.  He'll get the message.  Harbaugh.  I meant.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2017, 10:45:57 am
I think the chances of Hairbut leaving UM as the man in the moon eating green cheese. This is supposedly like a dream job for him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2017, 12:12:29 pm
Well maybe the idea of shoving it down Ditka's throat by being successful for the beloved, along with an obscene boat load of money, might be more appealing....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 04, 2017, 05:07:37 am
Ditka could still kick his azz
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 04, 2017, 08:15:25 am
Trevethan suspension reduced to 1 game. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 04, 2017, 08:51:01 am
Just say NO to iron Mike.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 04, 2017, 09:38:26 am
If Michigan runs the table, the Bears might have a shot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 04, 2017, 09:48:08 am
Really? Why?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 05, 2017, 08:35:34 am
Who's to replace John Faux ? Maybe someone from the Saints staff (not Shawn P. but someone named Carmichael ? I can't quite recall where I read that).

But really, the Bears will have to go in a new direction. Harbaugh would be a suprise for sure, but maybe Toub (now KC ST coach) ?

Should be interesting. Here's hoping that light at the end of the Bears tunnel is the end of the tunnel and not another train.. :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 05, 2017, 08:41:59 am
What about Fangio?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 05, 2017, 10:55:56 am
That would be my choice.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 05, 2017, 04:15:29 pm

I can't say that I have a dislike for Fox or am that fond of him.  But you have to look at the talent that he's been given over his tenure.  Could anyone else done that much better?

He's just the cook - he doesn't buy the groceries.

Other than the catastrophe at wide receiver (and currently at MLB) the team now has decent talent throughout - let's see what he can do the rest of the season - lots of football left.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 05, 2017, 06:45:32 pm
Remember how bad the defense was when Fox came in.  Pace shored it up with Hicks, Trevathan. Freeman, the corners, and drafting Goldman,Bullocks, Kwiatkowski.     He's had journeyman QB's and Cutler, all in all not dealt a good hand.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 05, 2017, 07:58:35 pm
I've often wondered if Kwiatkowski is related to that crackpot Pauly, who posted with us when we were at WC...he was another Otto, except even further out there.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 06, 2017, 12:28:03 am



 MNF ... MT starting ... Minnie defense.


 America tunes in to a ratings winner.


 This one is really a whats going to happen next ?


 We'll see said the zen master.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cjVhUrmII
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 06, 2017, 07:58:36 am
Quote
I've often wondered if Kwiatkowski is related to that crackpot Pauly, who posted with us when we were at WC...he was another Otto, except even further out there.

OMG!  I never noticed the name and connection!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 06, 2017, 11:49:28 am
I've often wondered if Kwiatkowski is related to that crackpot Pauly, who posted with us when we were at WC...he was another Otto, except even further out there.
IIRC he had a son he talked about a few times as being a big kid and a football player.  Article from WVU says his dad is named Frank.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on October 06, 2017, 12:41:35 pm
I've often wondered if Kwiatkowski is related to that crackpot Pauly, who posted with us when we were at WC...he was another Otto, except even further out there.

Does Nick display any characteristics of the lizard people?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 06, 2017, 03:50:57 pm
Funny you mention that...there's a YouTube video of Stephen A Smith that the lizard people are all commenting on, and guess who the first comment is from?

Google "Paul kwiatkowski lizard" and you'll see it...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: CUBluejays on October 06, 2017, 11:43:42 pm
And he has a YouTube channel...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 07, 2017, 05:15:18 pm
Wow Willie Young out for the year with a bicep injury.  Who the heck is in charge of player fitness at Halas Hall???  Dig Rusty Jones out of the grave if need be and lets get these guys back into football shape.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 07, 2017, 07:00:45 pm
WTF? How can a team be devastated with injuries year after year after year?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 07, 2017, 07:56:55 pm
in order to finish first, you must first finish.  Ain't gonna happen with the Bear, too many bodies strewn about.  Again.  Jesus, Virginia's been at this pushing 100 years, doesn't she know somebody to call to stop this?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 07, 2017, 10:04:46 pm
Amen:

bears53 says:
October 7, 2017 at 9:10 pm
Just a shame. That’s 3 linebackers with torn muscles in the same year, hmmmmmmm. Are they training correctly.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 08, 2017, 09:05:48 pm
So beerbellyacher


How about them Packers!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 08, 2017, 10:00:14 pm
Yeah, how bout them Pakers?  A-Aron got another in a long string of fake personal foul calls that kept a crucial drive going for them and allowed them to score. It's sickening....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 08, 2017, 10:01:53 pm
whiner!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2017, 12:30:57 am

Ignore him - he only posts when the Packers win but disappears when they lose. 

He's a troll.  Probably should delete the Packer sucks thread in honor of Packrat - Otto doesn't deserve it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 09, 2017, 05:00:47 am
What happened to packrat?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 09, 2017, 05:02:47 am
Packy died back in April...  RIP
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 09, 2017, 05:04:58 am
Damn, not sure I knew that. The board keeps dwindling..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 09, 2017, 10:17:24 am
I'm sorry to hear about Packrat.  He always added something worthwhile to the conversation. 

As far as the game yesterday, Rodgers was brilliant on the final drive, just fast enough to get away and run for a first down...pinpoint passes....it was a clinic.  That being said, the Packers are allowed to hold basically on every play.  Their DB's are allowed to mug the receivers, but theirs are not to be breathed on.  It's been that way for a long time...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 09, 2017, 10:47:39 am
The roughing the passer penalty near their goal line was pretty bad.  The ref explained that Rodgers was down by contact at the 2 and then the personal foul was called for leading with the crown of the helmet, though no contact was made.  Even the on air referee said it was a bad call.  That really got the ball rolling in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2017, 11:18:47 am
Nothing worse than the officiating in the Michigan/Michigan State game. Massive mistakes allowed by officials for Michigan State.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on October 09, 2017, 12:40:26 pm
Maybe one day the Bears will have a QB that get the calls like Rodgers and Brady.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 09, 2017, 12:45:39 pm
Come on bear fanatics, a ref could call contact on every play in the NFL.


Players make plays.


Get better players.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2017, 12:55:03 pm
Are the Bears playing tonight?   Not much chatter.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 09, 2017, 12:59:54 pm
Maybe one day the Bears will have a QB that get the calls like Rodgers and Brady.

That QB gets his first start tonight.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2017, 01:06:46 pm
That QB

I don't wish this, but maybe Trubisky has a career ending injury on his first start tonight. INOW don't count your chickens before they are hatched. We don't know what we have yet, we can only hope.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 09, 2017, 01:16:06 pm
More
#Bears promoted OLB Isaiah Irving from practice squad for tonight's game vs #Vikings. Not a surprise given Willie Young news.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2017, 02:00:53 pm

Next man  up...thought they might sign that 49er OLB veteran that was in camp during the summer...Dan Skato?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 09, 2017, 04:57:37 pm
Quote
  I don't wish this, but maybe Trubisky has a career ending injury on his first start tonight.

This would not surprise me in the least. The Bears are cursed. They can't seem to get decent players and the ones they do get end up injured. And the coaching that finally does well, like Rivera, stay a year or two and move on, unlike the Pakers who seem to super glue their staff to their seats so they can't move.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2017, 07:04:21 pm
I only said that to stop the hero worship before it began.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2017, 11:15:27 pm

The only hero worshipping is done by the media.  They are the same guys that poo poo'd the Trubisky trade in April.

They got to sell newspapers.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2017, 11:46:09 pm
Most young people don't read newspapers anymore. So who cares what they think or say. Its why some newspapers try to get the public to pay to even read the sports section.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2017, 09:17:02 am

I'm in my 50s...when I refer to 'newspapers' I also mean digital media. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2017, 05:10:13 pm
Bears are headed for their 4th in a row last place finish in the Division this season. Last winning season was 12'. The only other time they did this.....the Wanny-bad years of the mid 90's. Uggh....terrible....here they are again bottom feeding.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2017, 05:49:58 pm

Yeah, another tough year to endure.  Hopefully, Trubisky learns and improves and some of the young players establish themselves - though there really aren't too many of them on the roster.  But they need to play McBride more and let this Irving kid get some snaps on defense.  And why aren't Ballard and Robertson-Harris playing much?

The bright side?   We could be drafting in the top 5 next April.  And if Trubisky shines - there's some FA wide receivers that could be had (Jefferies, Landry,  and more).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 10, 2017, 07:11:07 pm
The other bright side? There will be a new head coach.. Hope it's not Foerster...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2017, 07:20:53 pm
As of right now, Bears would draft third, right behind two winless teams....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 10, 2017, 10:05:08 pm
Bears are headed for their 4th in a row last place finish in the Division this season. Last winning season was 12'. The only other time they did this.....the Wanny-bad years of the mid 90's. Uggh....terrible....here they are again bottom feeding.

Did you expect they were going to have a big year this year?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 10, 2017, 10:11:50 pm
If the Bears do draft top 3 they could reap a goldmine.

Teams needing QB's Jets 49ers.  Then you have Rothlisburger looking like he's lost his arm and alluding to age, Phillip Rivers had planned to retire after this season, several other old QB's Manning,  Carson Palmer.

What would they give the bears for one of the big 3?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 11, 2017, 04:59:47 am
Did you expect they were going to have a big year this year?
Nope
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2017, 08:08:38 am
What would they give the bears for one of the big 3?

Interesting question. It looks like a rich QB draft. Maybe not enough. Oh, and we don't need another QB? Duh, I think so. Yeah, we have one but you cant make do in todays game with just one.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2017, 08:33:36 am
Tanner Gentry getting signed off the PS.  Score. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2017, 08:41:43 am
Bears: Week Five Player Grades
BY KEDAR RAMAN ON OCTOBER 10, 2017   • ( LEAVE A COMMENT )
QB: Mitch Trubisky (B-)

Mitch Trubisky‘s first career start was a lot like what is expected of rookie quarterbacks. He had a lot of growing pains that he will need to learn from to be a successful quarterback in this league. He made too many rookie mistakes, and was at fault for a pair of turnovers, and got lucky on a few more. His lone touchdown pass was nearly an interception. Nonetheless, he did showcase his ability and athleticism, especially on a 2-point conversion that tied the game. He has room to grow, but is definitely a bright spot for the Bears this season.

RB: Jordan Howard (A-), Tarik Cohen (C)

The running backs produced but didn’t excel against the Vikings staunch front seven. Jordan Howard looked decisive and picked up yards after contact, but could not muster any big gains. Still, he was a bright spot for the offense and consistently churned out yards. Tarik Cohen was a non-factor for the second straight week, lacking decisiveness and not being involved much.

WR: Markus Wheaton (C-), Tre McBride (C+), Kendall Wright (C+)

The receivers certainly didn’t help Trubisky, as they couldn’t create separation and dropped catch-able passes. Markus Wheaton has been a non-factor this whole season. Tre McBride looked surprisingly good, and nearly made a beautiful catch in the first quarter. Kendall Wright was the Bears’ most reliable receiver and produced the most effectively for the Bears.

TE: Dion Sims (F), Zach Miller (B-)

Dion Sims was god-awful once again, and it makes me wonder how he was chosen to start at Tight End for the Bears. Are Zach Miller and Adam Shaheen really not better than Sims? The only thing Sims has going for him is his blocking ability, but he is a totally unreliable target, can’t catch passes, and can’t get open in the first place. Zach Miller was a notably better Tight End, and has been for most of the season, and he served as Trubisky’s security blanket. He made a really good catch for a touchdown, showcasing his awareness. He is probably the Bears’ best receiving option and should be featured more in the offense in the coming weeks.

Offensive Line: Charles Leno (C+), Josh Sitton (B-), Cody Whitehair (D-), Kyle Long (B-), Bobby Massie (C+)

The offensive line was good but not great, allowing pressure at times and not allowing Trubisky sufficient time to throw. Charles Leno was easily beat on the strip-sack of Trubisky, and Cody Whitehair continued to struggle with penalties and shotgun snaps.

Defensive Line: Akiem Hicks (A), Eddie Goldman (B), Mitch Unrein (C+)

The defensive line was a bright spot for the Bears, especially while the statue that was Sam Bradford was in the game. Akiem Hicks played very well and showed a high motor, especially at the end.

Linebackers: Pernell McPhee (C+), Leonard Floyd (A+), John Timu (B+), Christian Jones (C), Jonathan Anderson (D+)

Leonard Floyd had a tremendous game, though some of his production should be attributed to Bradfords’ lack of mobility, as he was a non-factor once Case Keenum took over. Pernell McPhee‘s name wasn’t heard much, but he was a solid leader for the defense. John Timu played a good game, especially calling the plays for the defense, until he was forced to exit with an injury. The depleted line-backing core was taken advantage of, as Christian Jones and Jonathan Anderson both struggled mightily to command the defense.

Secondary: Kyle Fuller (A-), Prince Amukamara (B+), Eddie Jackson (A), Adrian Amos (B)

The secondary was surprisingly good, not allowing much through the air. Kyle Fuller continued his good play, while Prince Amukamara was solid on the other side. Eddie Jackson was a consistently good force, once again showcasing his ability to tackle and nose for the football. He also did well in coverage, especially against Kyle Rudolph. Adrian Amos was solid as well, nearly getting an interception, as he replaced Quentin Demps in the secondary.

Special Teams: Connor Barth (B), Pat O’Donnell (A+++)

Connor Barth didn’t have many opportunities, so there is not much to complain about him, other than the fact that the Bears couldn’t rely on him.

Pat O’Donnell had a spectacular game. Due to him consistently being on the field, he showcased great accuracy and power on his punts, consistently forcing Minnesota into having bad field position. Perhaps his best play was on his touchdown pass to Benny Cunningham. He made a beautiful throw that was right on the money.

The Bears should really consider having him play backup to Mitch Trubisky, since he seems to have the same throwing capabilities as Mike Glennon, may provide more mobility than Glennon, and can expand the playbook by always having the option to punt the football away!

Coaching Staff: John Fox (C-), Vic Fangio (B+), Dowell Loggains (A+)

John Fox had an up-and-down game. He should be praised for the call for the fake punt on fourth down. But he was too conservative, especially calling a run on 3rd-and-10. His game-management at the end of the game was lacking, and the team is very ill-disciplined, something that should be blamed on the head coach.

Vic Fangio called a good game, especially considering the depleted roster that he was working with. Dowell Loggains was on his game today, dialing up trick plays and utilizing Trubisky’s athleticism in any way he could. The playbook was opened up more, and Loggains played to Trubisky’s strengths. His best call was on the two-point conversion, which included a hand-off to Jordan Howard, a pitch to Zach Miller, and finally a pitch to Trubisky for the game-tying score. Wow! Could we potentially have our future head coach already? At this point, Fangio or Loggains may provide more for the Bears than John Fox and his conservative approach.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2017, 08:53:30 am
What would they give the bears for one of the big 3?

Interesting question. It looks like a rich QB draft. Maybe not enough. Oh, and we don't need another QB? Duh, I think so. Yeah, we have one but you cant make do in todays game with just one.

Seriously!!??  You would spend another top five pick on another QB???
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 11, 2017, 08:59:55 am
What would Theo and Jed do?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on October 11, 2017, 10:19:18 am
I wouldn't likely spend a top 5 pick but if there is a promising guy there in the middle rounds I might look hard. We need some weapons for Mitch and upgrades at DB and depth on the whole team. It is really sad that yet again we are discussing the draft before the season is 1/2 over.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2017, 10:51:35 am
Deonte Thompson cut.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 11, 2017, 10:55:59 am
Backup QBs are always plentiful in FA.

Maybe we can get Keenum when Bridgewater comes back?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2017, 12:07:45 pm
Did I specifically say that? NO, I didn't. But somewhere somehow soon we need a decent QB to develop. You cant go through next season with Glennon or Sanchez as backups. They have to go bye bye to the glue factory. If its decided they need to draft one then it better be somewhere in next years draft. And we are already two picks short.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on October 11, 2017, 12:19:49 pm
We spent the 2nd overall on turbiskey... now you grab someone late in the draft as a developmental guy maybe.... but no need so spend the #3 overall on a QB
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2017, 03:12:33 pm

Next year Bears will need a legit backup QB not a developmental guy.   That is, assuming Trubisky is still the starting QB AND Glennon isn't around to see year 2 of his mega-deal AND Sanchez is a FA next year.

We have the following picks next year: 
round 1: 1
round 2: 1
round 3: 0
round 4: 2
round 5: 1
round 6: 1
round 7: 1

Top needs:  OLB,WR,CB
other needs:  DL,OT and more of the above
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2017, 03:20:37 pm

I guess they wanted to see what Gentry can do and figured that since Thompson's snaps have been taken by Tre McBride and also Thompson wasn't setting the world on fire returning kicks then he was expendable.

Tanner Gentry runs a 4.46 40 and McBride a 4.41 - both are leapers.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 11, 2017, 03:34:39 pm
Thompson looked awful returning kicks Monday night...worst I have seen him...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2017, 04:33:59 pm

Wheaton better show something soon or he will be next on the chopping block.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 11, 2017, 04:35:18 pm



 
Next year Bears will need a legit backup QB not a developmental guy.   That is, assuming Trubisky is still the starting QB AND Glennon isn't around to see year 2 of his mega-deal AND Sanchez is a FA next year.

We have the following picks next year: 
round 1: 1
round 2: 1
round 3: 0
round 4: 2
round 5: 1
round 6: 1
round 7: 1

Top needs:  OLB,WR,CB
other needs:  DL,OT and more of the above


 Top needs should be WR - WR - LB - LB - OL - OL - K
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2017, 05:32:46 pm
We needed one kicker this year and look where we are at......
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2017, 05:40:21 pm

Jackie

We'll need at least one corner next year - Amukamora and Fuller are free agents.

Of course all our needs don't necessarily have to be filled with draft picks.  Pace uses free agency to fill the holes in the roster then supposedly goes BPA in the draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2017, 07:29:48 pm
What would they give the bears for one of the big 3?

Interesting question. It looks like a rich QB draft. Maybe not enough. Oh, and we don't need another QB? Duh, I think so. Yeah, we have one but you cant make do in todays game with just one.


Ok Wishful, read what you posted.  It looks like you were saying we should use the first rounder on a QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 13, 2017, 08:34:38 am
Well that explains why he sucks:

Bears wide receiver Markus Wheaton has a torn groin and could miss four to six weeks, according to Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times.

The Bears listed Wheaton as limited at Thursday’s practice.

Wheaton has had a rough year. He underwent surgery to repair a labrum in his shoulder in January; he had an appendectomy to start training camp; and he broke a finger on his left hand in August.

Wheaton has only one catch on nine targets for 9 yards in three games this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 13, 2017, 02:48:29 pm
Surprised it isn't for the season.... what's wrong with Wheaton? Didn't get the memo?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 13, 2017, 04:30:06 pm
This is probably the worst group of busted up free agents that logic has ever seen the Bears sign all in one season.  And on top of that, they drafted a running back who is under 180 lbs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 13, 2017, 05:13:11 pm
What would they give the bears for one of the big 3?

Interesting question. It looks like a rich QB draft. Maybe not enough. Oh, and we don't need another QB? Duh, I think so. Yeah, we have one but you cant make do in todays game with just one.


Ok Wishful, read what you posted.  It looks like you were saying we should use the first rounder on a QB.

Never said 1st round. You need to change your glasses.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 13, 2017, 07:06:21 pm
One thing can be said.  We will have plenty of cap space next year.

https://overthecap.com/calculator/chicago-bears/

I personally would only keep 33 players under contract and cut the following players:

Mike Glennon  gain 11.5 million
Pernell McPhee gain 7.075 million
Dion Simms gain 5.67 million
Markus Wheaton gain 5 million
Hronsis Grasu  gain 800K

That would give the Bears and Pace 70 million in cap space for 2018.  I would start targeting our young FA that I thought are worth keeping right now for signing deals. 

I would try to land at least 2 WR's in FA market Sammy Watkins, Mike Wallace, Martavis Bryant, Jarvis Landry, Allen Robinson, Marqise Lee, Terrelle Pryor at WR.  http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

I would trade down in 1st round for more picks. I am assuming mid 1st round and additional 2nd and 5th rounder.  I would draft pass rushing OLB in first.  Then WR in 2nd.  Followed by two OL in 2nd and 4th (no 3rd round pick in 2018). Second 4th round pick I would go DL.  In the 5th I would go WR and back up QB.  6th round K and 7th round P.

Kevin White will be back, if you cut him its 5 million of dead money and no cap savings.  My scenario would give you two solid WR's via FA, with White returning and young prospect. 

There would be money left to fill other positions of need.  I just am not researching everything at the moment.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 14, 2017, 06:47:09 am
We have a definite need at CB as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 14, 2017, 11:20:08 am
Two days before the Chicago Bears home matchup in Week 5 on Monday Night Football against the Minnesota Vikings, it was reported  the team would place OLB Willie Young on Injured Reserve. While this move officially came one day after their loss to the Vikings, it’s still the fourth starter they’ve lost to IR in a five-game period.

Normally, this wouldn’t be much to think about due to the amount of season-ending injuries sustained around the league each year but Young becomes the ninth players on Injured Reserve this year, and it's only Week 6.

Injuries have become a large part of the game but why have the Bears been so injury stricken in the John Fox era?

On the surface, all signs point to Jason George , the team’s lead strength and conditioning coach over the past three seasons, but how easy can it be to directly correlate the two to each other?

GM Ryan Pace and head coach John Fox made a concerted effort this past training camp to prevent the mass amount of injuries the team continues to endure, including virtual reality, tracking chips to give the team more data about each individual player and modified workout and practice schedules, to lessen the stress on player’s bodies. They also changed practice schedules and utilized more shortened practices and veteran days off.

Yet, at least as of now, the Bears are on pace to place more players on IR than they did last year.

In 37 games under George, the Bears have placed a total of 43 players on Injured Reserve, including 23 players that were either starters or had started one or more games in that given season. Keep in mind, that figure does include preseason and injury settlements.

Here’s a breakdown by year:

2015- 12 total players, 6 starters/players that started a game.
By the numbers: 21st
By the dollar: 11th

2016- 19 total players, 11 starters/players that started a game.
By the numbers: 6th
By the dollar: 2nd

2017- 14 total players, 6 starters/players that started a game.
By the numbers: 16th
By the dollar: 6th

So, what exactly do these numbers say? It means that two out of the past three years, the Bears have been in the top half of the NFL in the number of IR’d players but, most importantly, the amount of cap space being used on these injured players shows the impact this has had on a struggling team.

For a team with a 10-27 record since Fox took over, it surely clouds any judgment that the front office can make on him or his coaching staff, especially when the majority of players being lost are starters that are costing them large chunks of cap space.

Looking Back to the Previous Three Years

Before the arrival of head coach John Fox and his strength and conditioning staff, the Bears had just 23-combined IR’d players from 2012-2014 under Rusty Jones (2012) and Mike Clark (2013-2014). When you compare those three full seasons prior to the Fox regime to these past 37 games, those numbers are damning.

Here’s breakdown in the three years prior to Fox and George:

2012- 10 total players, 7 starters/players that started a game.

2013- 6 total players, 3 starters/players that started a game.

2012- 7 total players, 2 starters/players that started a game.

While no official rankings were made available through this three-year stretch of research, putting the pair of three-year periods against each other speaks volumes.

Comparing the pair of three-year periods

2012-2014- 23 total players, 12 starters/players that started a game.

2015-2017- (37 games)- 43 total players, 12 starters/players that started a game.

Why the Steady Uptick in Injuries?

In 2010, USA Today did a study and concluded that during the previous 10 years, there was a large increase in the amount of season-ending injuries sustained. Since 2010 the trend has continued, even after a supposedly player-friendly CBA went into effect in August of 2011.

With that being said, the Bears have almost doubled their prior three-year period and they still have 12 more games to play before that time frame is complete.

Who is to blame for that? The numbers by themselves could point to George but when looking at the numbers in Denver over his three years, the team had just 27 players on IR over that period. Since then they’ve had 29, which shows the steady uptick in season-ending injuries around the league. Even through the time frame of 2015-2017, since Fox and George left, the Broncos have ranked in the bottom third of the league in IR'd players.

Are the Bulk of the Injury the Responsibility of the Training Staff?

After speaking with two professionals in the industry, there’s no clear answer but the insight they both shared can help you draw your own conclusion.

Ross Read, an experienced personal trainer and general manager at Fitpro West, said the accountability for these injuries should mostly fall on the training staff.

Read has multiple certifications in the field, including: NASM-CPT, CFSC, Titelist and worked with Mike Boyle, who was the strength and conditioning coach for both the Boston Red Sox and Boston Bruins. Boyle’s experience ranges across sports and was with the Red Sox when they won their latest World Series.

Over the course of his vast experience, Read has been taught the importance of not over-training, which is usually the leading cause for muscle tears, which has been a common trend in 2017 with Jerrell Freeman and Nick Kwiatkowski both experience torn pectoral muscles and Young’s latest triceps tear.

Read noted that the “fluke muscles injuries” are a direct reflection of George and tells him that his plan in place is not working. He said the reason that the muscle tears continue to happen is due to over-training and poor recovery methods, which is exactly what George and his staff oversees.

Since George has taken over, the Bears have suffered multiple muscle-related injuries but Patrick Carozza from Freak Strength gym offers a different perspective and gave multiple scenarios for the team’s massive uptick in the injury department.

Carozza has worked with multiple professional athletes including the McCourtey brothers (Jason and Devin), Ali Marpet and Quincy Enunwa at his gym and has seen his fair share of off-season workout regimens and habits over the years.

Carozza echoed Read’s assessment in players doing too much.

“Often times, we’ve had to convince players to do less. These guys will speed and weight work with us and then will go and do more work (like footwork) with someone else.”

While this may not seem like a lot to some, he said there’s a reason they are scheduled for certain things.

“If it was a heavy-sprint and lower-body day, I wouldn’t have planned for the extra work they are doing without me knowing about it.”

While doing too much has been an issue for both professionals in the past, Carozza did admit that doing too little can also be an issue.

“Just like guys doing too much is bad, doing too little is not a good thing either.”

One other interesting bit of information Carozza shared was something the Bears incorporated this past off-season in the way of GPS tracking and smart-technology as a whole.

“Using technology for the wrong reasons," Carozza said. "The league will use GPS to measure speed and running distance, which can be invaluable for teams but sometimes that information is not shared with the players.”

Carozza listed many reasons but to keep the list short, some of the highlights:

-New CBA rules vs old-school mentality

-Lack of individualization in the player’s programs

-Lack of communication between teams and private trainers

-Simply bad luck

With such a multitude of factors involving training staffs and their players, it’s easy to see how wrong hires can be made and why many teams struggle to find reasons behind injury epidemics, such as the Bears have experienced during George's two-plus years with the team.

The Verdict

Outside of the direct comparison between two three-year periods from the Bears injury counts, no real correlations can be made between the arrival of George and/or Fox and the team’s serious injury issues through this time period.

Both Read's and Carozza’s insight on the situation make for an interesting conversation but don’t truly connect any true dots. While it may not be a black-and-white situation, it does appear that Pace’s next step should be better coordination with players, their trainers and another look into each player’s personal workout program.

After listening to both Read and Carozza, it does appear that soft tissues injuries and torn muscles are as close to a direct reflection on the training staff as there could ever be but even with that, it’s nearly impossible to come to a consensus conclusion.

While it’s possible the Bears will be in the market for an entirely new coaching staff after the next 11 games, if they do decide to move forward with George and his group, it needs to be back to the drawing board to fix an injury epidemic that is on pace to be worse than last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 14, 2017, 01:57:59 pm
Good article.  My take is that injuries are random ...until they are not.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2017, 05:58:31 pm
Getting rid of White next offseason would help that number come down....guy's a train wreck...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 15, 2017, 05:43:41 am
Sporty - If we release White in the offseason, we would still be on the hook for $5 mill.  Similar to Kyle Fuller this year, we would gain no salary cap advantage by releasing him, so we need to know if he is an asset before casting him aside.  Everyone is frustrated about his injuries, I am sure no one more than White himself.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 15, 2017, 08:21:49 pm
you know, after reading that posted article about the baboon the bears have for a trainer, I wonder if white would be good to go with someone who knew what the hell he's doing.  those numbers are unbelievable.  fire that guys ass NOW.  Get somebody who knows what to do.  Glad they won  today, bears get some guys back that gb game could be fun,fun,fun.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2017, 08:06:29 am

Mike Glennon  gain 11.5 million
Pernell McPhee gain 7.075 million
Dion Simms gain 5.67 million
Markus Wheaton gain 5 million
Hronsis Grasu  gain 800K


Mike Glennon - He'll find a backup job in the NFL - but not for $11.5 million.

Pernell McPhee - So who else plays OLB if you cut McPhee besides Floyd?  Lamarr Houston is already gone.  Willie Young will be 33 near the beginning of next season.  I like him but durability is an issue.  I think OLB is a top 3 priority next year, but these guys are hard to sign and draft.

Dion Simms - Can't say that I'm that impressed with him this year - but he did have a nice catch yesterday.

Markus Wheaton - He's got 10 games to prove himself.  So far one catch on the season and one HUGE holding call.

Hronis Grasu - It's tough to keep a pure backup center on the roster.  His contract savings isn't the issue - it's the roster spot.  Is he a better center than Sitton is a LG?  Eric Kush could make him expendable.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2017, 09:34:47 am
Hronis Grasu - It's tough to keep a pure backup center on the roster.  His contract savings isn't the issue - it's the roster spot.  Is he a better center than Sitton is a LG?  Eric Kush could make him expendable.

Wow, thats a switch.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2017, 09:43:51 am

Not really.  My opinion hasn't changed on Grasu.  Assuming his hand heals up, he'll be a viable backup if Whitehair gets injured.  Bears are fortunate to have him after Kush went down this year.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 16, 2017, 01:52:46 pm
I know it's not relevant to 17, but that article on the Trib re: the 06 Arizona game is a great read.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 16, 2017, 11:59:19 pm



 The die has been cast at Baltimore.


 MT (who bears a remarkable resemblance to Quentin Tarantino)


 needs WR's up the ass to toss the rock to.

113 yards ? What ... is this a joke ? Howard won that game.

Imagine MT with a WR corp ... someone to pass to ... could get heavy.

What's coming up in the 2018 Draft for WR's that MT needs ?

As far as LB's ... man can we get out of the stage of injured ?

Look's like they are needed in 2018.

Who's out there fresh ?

OL is always a rotation ... can we draft TWO that are steady ?

Just two that are always on the field at the same time.

That's not asking much for 2018 draft.

Of course this is all speculation.

It is after all ...2017.

And there are games left to be played in this year before we get ahead of ourselves.

However you know what I'm getting at down the road.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 17, 2017, 12:05:20 am
JJ, you're not around all those wildfires out there are ya??
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 17, 2017, 12:23:50 am



 Nope


 South of it


 Sad about what's happining


 You would have to ask yourself about what the U.S. military is doing,


 when they are not fighting wars


 Shouldn't they also be trained as the best firefighters on this planet ?


 Imagine how fast fires could be knocked down if the U.S. military responded
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 17, 2017, 05:23:19 am
dallas,

My personal feeling on McPhee is that he is a shell of his former self.  Now maybe he continues to recover from his injury, which I would then keep him around.  However I think he is done, that is my gut feeling.  I would use the money to secure some other talent.  We would have a bunch of cash under the scenario I proposed.  We could find an OLB in draft and sign a solid FA. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 17, 2017, 12:00:45 pm
Nelson Spruce.  Scraping the barrel

Think Braverman like production in college with a little more bulk and solid hands.  4.69 ain't good at all, but the potential is there if he can get open, catch the damn ball...and stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 17, 2017, 01:23:39 pm
The days of Keith Ortega are upon us...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 17, 2017, 02:19:49 pm
Geesh,  isn't there any decent veteran who got cut for being old that would still lift our passing game?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 17, 2017, 03:10:20 pm
Brian Bashnagel?  Tom Waddle?  Wendell Davis?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 17, 2017, 03:46:11 pm
Willie Gault. Mckinnon.  Gale Sayers.  Red Grange. ya I know he's dead.  So?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 17, 2017, 06:42:55 pm
Wendell Davis,,,, yeah, that was Ditka's idea of a replacement for Willie Gault.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 17, 2017, 07:22:29 pm
Was that the guy who broke both of his legs on one play?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 17, 2017, 07:51:48 pm
Evan a dead Red Grange would have had the same numbers as our 2 starters  last week.

And yes, Wendell Davis tore up both his knees on the carpet at Philadelphia's old Veterans stadium.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 17, 2017, 07:52:50 pm
That was brutal.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 18, 2017, 12:11:15 am
My personal feeling on McPhee is that he is a shell of his former self.  Now maybe he continues to recover from his injury, which I would then keep him around.  However I think he is done, that is my gut feeling.  I would use the money to secure some other talent.  We would have a bunch of cash under the scenario I proposed.  We could find an OLB in draft and sign a solid FA.

I can understand wanting to upgrade the 29 year old McPhee as well as trying to save cap.  But Bears are really thin at OLB.  Willie Young is the only other current pass rusher besides Floyd and Young is on IR and will be 33 next season.

Bears might target OLB in the first 2 rounds (I hope so), but they might go with BPA and end up with another position like WR, CB or OT or DE or safety.  And its rare you find stud pass rushers in free agency.  Bears will have the cash but they've got show that they are an up and coming team to attract the top FAs.

Let's see how McPhee does the rest of the way out, but right now he's tied for 2nd on the team (with Floyd) with 3 sacks. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 18, 2017, 05:05:53 am
Evan a dead Red Grange would have had the same numbers as our 2 starters  last week.

And yes, Wendell Davis tore up both his knees on the carpet at Philadelphia's old Veterans stadium.

I remember watching the highlights, both knees torn patella tendons on the same attempted catch,  Veterans stadium was basically green carpet on top of concrete
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 18, 2017, 07:06:39 pm
The Bears are ranked sixth in the NFL in total defense and eighth in passing yards per attempt.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 18, 2017, 08:11:29 pm
D has been solid this year.  Especially when you consider the suspension and injuries. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 18, 2017, 08:43:43 pm
doing it with smoke and mirrors.  that Fangio guy ain't half bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 18, 2017, 09:22:52 pm
yeah Fangio special coach.  Best we have that I can remember since Buddy Ryan.  I am fearful of losing him if they fire Fox.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 19, 2017, 12:22:33 am

Fangio wasn't so good last year with starting corners Tracy Porter and Crevon LeBlanc.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 19, 2017, 09:26:19 am
Best case scenario, we fire Fox, hire Harbough, and he keeps Fangio to coach D.  Sounds like a plan Pace needs to be working on....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 19, 2017, 09:39:54 am
Hoge’s 10 Bears Things: Patience Required With Trubisky, Run-Heavy Offense (http://wgnradio.com/2017/10/18/hoges-10-bears-things-patience-required-with-trubisky-run-heavy-offense/)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 19, 2017, 09:42:36 am
The coach I'm most concerned with is Loggains.  He's got to figure out a way to energize the passing game.  I don't care who he has as receivers.  The NFL game is geared towards passing and Trubisky has the talent to take this group up a notch.

One pass attempt to a non-slot WR per game isn't going to cut it.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 19, 2017, 10:42:36 am
He has the half-back pass in his playbook
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 19, 2017, 02:47:09 pm
Quote
Veterans stadium was basically green carpet on top of concrete

With horrible seams.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 19, 2017, 02:51:08 pm
The coach I'm most concerned with is Loggains.  He's got to figure out a way to energize the passing game.  I don't care who he has as receivers.  The NFL game is geared towards passing and Trubisky has the talent to take this group up a notch.

One pass attempt to a non-slot WR per game isn't going to cut it.

I agree!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 19, 2017, 06:46:46 pm
How are you going to do that with this group of WRs? That's like saying the Man in the moon needs to sell some of his stash or green cheese to generate income. Unreal. Not happening.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 20, 2017, 07:55:50 am

First of all, I'm not stating that they can be a top 10 passing offense with this group of WRs.  But one pass attempt to a non-slot WR is unacceptable in today's game.  Some of the blame is on Trubisky (I think he may have been a little gunshy after the Viking game), some of the blame is on the WRs for being inexperienced, but most of the blame is on Loggains for not getting the WRs involved in some way.

Next, they got to get Kendall Wright more snaps.  I have often wondered why Wright isn't getting more passes his way - almost like he's disappeared.  Then I read something from Fox saying that Wright only gets 25 snaps a game to keep him fresh and energized.  The other WRs are getting 70 something.  I know that last Sunday Bears ran a lot of 2 TE formations but they have to figure out a way to get their best WR on the field more.  Wright has to put on his big boy pants and play football.

Gentry and McBride had their first NFL starts last week, the more practice time they get with the first team offense the more throws they should get in the game.  Bellamy is also an option.  And hopefully there is a Wheaton sighting in the next week or so.

Trubisky gets to face a tough defense 3rd week in a row (Panthers are 4th in the NFL) - so it won't get any easier this week.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 20, 2017, 08:23:06 am
And the OL needs to give some protection/pocket.  I read somewhere that Trubisky had pressure on average in 1.8 seconds.  Not a lot of time to look for a deep throw with someone in your face immediately.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2017, 11:13:14 am
Why no slants?  We all know they kill the cover two.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2017, 03:12:33 pm
 But one pass attempt to a non-slot WR is unacceptable in today's game.

It is. That's why they can only do what they do, because they are incapable of doing an NFL WR offense. Its just some posters cant seem to figure that out. If they actually ran such an offense with the group they would never complete a pass except to the opponent. They don't have the talent to run an NFL offense.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 20, 2017, 04:05:52 pm

I think we'll see an improvement this week out of McBride/Gentry.  Of course that's not saying much.  Anything over 1 pass attempt would be an improvement.

Tough matchup up front for the offense not so much with the WR/DB matchups.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 23, 2017, 09:02:37 pm
Toughest schedules played so far: @saints .625, @chiefs .600, @AtlantaFalcons .590, @bears .553, @packers .545, @giants .535

Easiest remaining schedules: @Jaguars .350, @steelers .433, @Eagles .438, @Titans .443, @ChicagoBears .448, @Lions .456, @Ravens .458.

-Mike Santo ESPN
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 23, 2017, 10:45:52 pm
I think we'll see an improvement this week out of McBride/Gentry.  Of course that's not saying much.  Anything over 1 pass attempt would be an improvement.

Tough matchup up front for the offense not so much with the WR/DB matchups.

Like the song goes, "Dream on, dream on teenage queen....." Expecting miracles is an halucination
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2017, 09:30:40 am

I don't know what you are harping about - Gentry had a reception on Sunday which is more than last week and exactly as I had predicted!

As for dreaming I prefer:

"Dream on, dream on, dream on
Dream until your dream come true"
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 24, 2017, 12:46:49 pm
Martavis Bryant might be available.  I would do a 5th round conditional pick.  He is under contract until the end of next year.

That is how bad our WRs are.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2017, 01:34:08 pm
I don't know what you are harping about - Gentry had a reception on Sunday which is more than last week and exactly as I had predicted!

As for dreaming I prefer:

"Dream on, dream on, dream on
Dream until your dream come true"

Good grief! A Guy makes one catch and you are dancing and bragging about its better than last week? I see your expectations for a WR arent very high.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 24, 2017, 01:35:47 pm
He's been complaining a lot to the Steelers about not being showcase and skipped their Monday meeting.
Sounds like a troublemaker.

But with the Bears he would be #1 and possibly it could work out.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2017, 03:35:19 pm
Bryant has a history dating back to college of issues which apparently he hasn't resolved in the pro's (NFL suspended him in 2016 for drugs).  Physically he's a monster at 6-4 with 40 times in the low 4.3s.  Like a lot of those guys their route running and hands are suspect. 

I don't think the Steelers are going to let him go...but if he was available based on his past, production and expiring contract....I'd say 6th rounder.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2017, 03:40:14 pm

Good grief! A Guy makes one catch and you are dancing and bragging about its better than last week? I see your expectations for a WR arent very high.

Alert to Bears board!!!

Wshful thinks that the Bears receivers are young, inexperienced and not productive.   

No $hit!

We all know that, Captain Obvious.  But given that the Bears QB has 3 total NFL starts and our free agent WRs have about the same it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out there will be struggles.  We just got to hope it gets better....really, can't get any worse.

Now go back and drink your glass of half empty warm milk and take a nap.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2017, 05:45:55 pm
really, can't get any worse.

I wouldnt bet my life it gets better than dreadful which it already is. You seem to dance with one more reception.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 25, 2017, 05:43:41 am
If I traded for Bryant it would be a total conditional draft deal.  Something like this.  2019 7th rounder just to get him here and if he has little to no production this season, 2018 7th if he has a least 250 yards receiving, a 6th rounder if he has at least 500 yards and 3 tds.  A 5th rounder if we resign him to a new contract. 

Something structured like that would give us very little to lose.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2017, 08:15:33 am

Very creative.  I just think Bryant wanted to draw some attention to himself.

We may want to add him to the list of WRs that become available in in free agency next year.

Speaking of free agency, Pittsburgh and WRs...what's up with Wheaton this week?  Is he trying to set the record for most different kinds of injuries in a season?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 25, 2017, 08:33:19 am
Wheaton tore a muscle, not exactly a two week injury.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2017, 10:54:00 am

What I heard was groin pull.  Didn't know it was an actual tear...could have been a strain or stretch.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 25, 2017, 12:51:34 pm
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1679942/markus-wheaton
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 25, 2017, 01:13:25 pm
More
Chargers traded WR Dontrelle Inman to the Bears for a seventh-round pick, per sources.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 25, 2017, 01:40:27 pm
Hey he's a pretty good receiver.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 25, 2017, 02:28:17 pm
Conditional 7th and he is in a contract year.  I like this a lot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 25, 2017, 02:34:54 pm
About 3 years ago the chargers lost their top 3 receivers.
I think they signed Inman and a couple of others UDFA to fill in.
Inman turned out to be the best and a favorite target for Rivers.
He doesn't have size or great skills but he gets open and makes the catch.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 25, 2017, 03:03:30 pm
He has good size:

Dontrell Inman is a nice cheap pickup for the #Bears. NFL route runner that has good size (6'3) & can do damage downfield. Their new #1.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 25, 2017, 03:15:14 pm
If Inman is 6'3 so am I.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2017, 04:36:05 pm

Every website I've seen has Inman at 6'3" - one draft website had him at 6-27 which means he's over 6-2 1/2.  Tall enough.

As for Wheaton - it says he's out 4 -6 weeks.  He'll miss the Saints game then we have a bye, then the Packers.  That would be 5 weeks.  We'll see.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 25, 2017, 06:48:40 pm
Davebear - You're a tall drink of water these days...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 25, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
Nice pickup!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 26, 2017, 12:05:15 am
Davebear - You're a tall drink of water these
days...

No I'm 6 feet.  I just never thought he looked that tall.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 27, 2017, 09:25:59 am
The Ravens hung 40 points on the Dolphins!  The Bears held them to 3...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 27, 2017, 12:59:40 pm

This could be one of the stiffest tests for the Bears D this weekend in the Big Easy, maybe next to the Eagles game. 

Brees just doesn't get sacked....often.  Just got to keep the pressure on him and don't let his running backs get big yards and easy 3rd downs.

Bears will open it up but I'd bet Fox/Loggains will still be more conservative in the play calling then many expect.  Maybe the Bears open up the offense and throw something like 20 passess!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 27, 2017, 04:20:23 pm
If you are expecting 20 then expect a loss. I think you go with whats working. The new WR wont be up to snuff and might not be active. If he is active he will not get enough targets because he will be blanketed because he is the most dangerous receiver we have.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 27, 2017, 06:32:16 pm

The point spread is something like 9 in favor of the Saints - so most experts expect the Bears to lose.

Given the Saints offense, the fast surface, and the phase of the moon I predict 20 or more passes!

Every game is unpredictable.  But I really expect the Bears to come out running and try to limit the Saints' time of possession.  All that changes as the game evolves.  So who knows?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 27, 2017, 10:16:59 pm
So who knows? So if its a blue moon we lose by 10 points and if Trubisky throws more than 20 passes we lose by 30 pts? Does that sound like what your crystal ball is saying? LOL No wonder you are banking on more than 20 passes.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 27, 2017, 10:53:22 pm
I think Trubisky has to throw to win this one.  If he can do so effectively with out turning the ball over we win.  If not we lose.

He doesn't have to throw 60 times but enough to keep the defense honest and he has to get chunks.    Something like 60/40 run/pass.  That is my best guess.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 28, 2017, 06:12:01 am
With that run/pass ratio, we will get to see something!  Now, that said, Trubiskey is only starting his 4th NFL game, win or lose, his growth is what matters.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 28, 2017, 06:16:39 am
Much has been said about the efficiency of the Saints offense, fast track, etc.  What about their defense?  How do they play in the dome?  Who are their playmakers?  What are their strengths and weaknesses?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 28, 2017, 08:10:48 am
At some point they have to start passing the ball..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 28, 2017, 09:23:42 am
If we get behind, alot, I would love to see them let Trubisky light it up, come back and win the game.  They would start building the statue of him if that happens.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 28, 2017, 09:37:15 am
Interesting:

https://theloopsports.com/2017/10/27/three-wide-receivers-the-bears-can-acquire-before-the-trade-deadline/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 28, 2017, 10:16:24 am
They should try and trade Glennon back to the Bucs.  Their QB is hurt again and Glennon knows their system.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 28, 2017, 11:05:14 am
Yep, I'd rather see Sanchez than Glennon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 28, 2017, 07:58:35 pm
 
 Somebody remind us again why we signed Glennon when we already had Hoyer ,
 
 who would have been a better teacher to MT then Glennon.


 Coulda  saved us a huge chunk of change also.


 The kind of money saved that's needed to get a vet ILB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 28, 2017, 09:39:03 pm
Out of the 3 WR in that article I would be most in favor of Pryor.  I think he has plenty of years left and has proven to be a solid player.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 29, 2017, 06:05:49 am
Agreed about Pryor. Wouldn't it be great if we could acquire Pryor and Josh Gordon (and he gets reinstated)?  I believe that is fantasy football, but trying to dream a way to get our receiver corps back to NFL level.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 29, 2017, 07:33:03 pm
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21218162/houston-texans-rookie-quarterback-deshaun-watson-passes-kurt-warner-19-touchdowns-first-seven-games

A lot of us on this board thought Watson was going to be a good QB.  Just look at the poll in subject area.

Now I am not saying that Trubisky will not be better in long run.  However it should be pointed out that Pace really did not need to move up to get a good QB in the draft.  If Trubisky had gone 2, we could have gone with Watson at 3.  Now there are a lot of if and buts in all of this, but I did think it should be brought up.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 29, 2017, 09:41:51 pm
 
 The question has to be asked :


 Between the 20's are we better off designing plays for Wright & McBride,


 instead of Tarik Cohen ?


 Cohen seems to be effective inside the 20 ... outside of the 20 not so much.


 Our second round draft pick at TE was a non-factor again.


 Despite our main TE hurt.


 When does Shaheen make his bones ?


 Your thoughts ?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2017, 02:05:24 am
Hiber

I wonder what Watson's numbers would look like throwing to Gentry and McBride...instead of Hopkins and Fuller.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 30, 2017, 08:04:08 am
Right...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 30, 2017, 08:22:35 am
Yeah saw highlights Hopkins taking a WR screen all the way and Fuller outrunning the defense.

We don't have that talent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 30, 2017, 08:25:01 am
HOLY ****!  Miller is not out for the year.  Maybe his life...

Surgeons reportedly trying to save Zach Miller's leg after gruesome knee injury
The Bears tight end dislocated his knee in Sunday's game against the Saints

   
Bears tight end Zach Miller suffered a gruesome knee injury on Sunday against the Saints, and hours later he underwent emergency surgery in an effort to save his leg, reports ESPN's Chris Mortensen.
MIller suffered a dislocated knee while attempting to make a third-quarter touchdown catch. According to Mortensen's sources, Miller's dislocated knee is considered "more significant" than a regular dislocation, which made it a serious injury. Vascular surgeons were called in, and the procedure included grafting tissue from Miller's right leg to repair the damaged artery.

Miller appeared to haul in a touchdown pass on the play, though it was overturned upon review.

Originally a 2009 sixth-round pick of the Jaguars, Miller joined the Bears before the 2015 season. For his career, he has 146 receptions for 1,631 yards and 15 touchdowns.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/surgeons-reportedly-trying-to-save-zach-millers-leg-after-gruesome-knee-injury/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 30, 2017, 10:59:56 am
That is terrible! For sure wishing him the best of luck!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 30, 2017, 01:04:27 pm
And where is the Bears protest to the League after the bad touchdown call?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 30, 2017, 02:02:33 pm
Oh well:

For the second time in less than a year, Bears linebacker Jerrell Freeman has been suspended for PEDs.

The NFL announced today that Freeman has been suspended for 10 games for violating the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing substances. Freeman was suspended for four games for his first violation of the policy in November of 2016.

Freeman is on injured reserve and wasn’t going to play anyway, but the suspension means he won’t be paid. Players on injured reserve receive their salary but suspended players do not.

The Bears have eight games left, so Freeman is out for the rest of the regular season and then would miss the first two games of the 2018 season (or miss two playoff games, in the unlikely event the Bears play two playoffs games).

The 31-year-old Freeman is in the third year of a three-year, $12 million contract. His suspension will cost him about $2.2 million in salary.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2017, 02:18:39 pm

I'd still bring him back for his final season.  Trevathan is signed for 2 more years as is Kwiatkowski.  Christian Jones contract will be up - I'd try to sign him.  And Timu is a RFA so the Bears are pretty solid at MLB for a couple years.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 30, 2017, 02:41:20 pm
QUARTERBACKS: C-

Sunday was a mixed bag for Mitchell Trubisky, with some good throws like his 45-yarder to Tre McBride and what would’ve been a 25-yard touchdown to Zach Miller had it not been overturned on replay. His 46-yard scramble was an outstanding athletic play against a Saints blitz. But he was inaccurate on other throws and nearly was picked off twice on the Bears’ only touchdown drive of the game midway through the fourth quarter. The Bears, ideally, wouldn’t have had Trubisky throw 32 times, and his 43.7 completion percentage and 46.9 passer rating was what came of that. Trubisky’s decision-making was better than it was against Carolina, but he still missed some open receivers. New Orleans threw plenty of defensive looks at Trubisky he hand’t seen yet, which made things more difficult, and he only completed five of 15 passes when under pressure, according to Pro Football Focus.

RUNNING BACKS: C+

Jordan Howard broke a 50-yard run that got the Bears outside the shadow of their own end zone and led to a Connor Barth field goal, but he averaged 2.4 yards per carry on his other 22 runs. Explosive plays are hugely important but Howard struggled to break tackles, and probably won’t want to re-watch being brought down by safety Kenny Vaccaro inside the 10-yard line in the first quarter. His drop of what should’ve been a touchdown in the fourth quarter was poor, too. Tarik Cohen said he needed to have better attention to detail on some of his routes, and he managed just one catch on three targets for six yards. Cohen did record his first career rushing touchdown when he leaped over the line in the fourth quarter.

WIDE RECEIVERS: D+

McBride had three catches for 92 yards to lead the team in receptions and yards, flashing as a downfield threat with good vision with the ball in his hands a few times. But this group again struggled to create separation for Trubisky on a consistent basis: Kendall Wright had two catches for 23 yards on eight targets, while Tanner Gentry wasn’t open the only time Trubisky targeted him.

TIGHT ENDS: D+

This grade probably would’ve been higher had Zach Miller’s 25-yard touchdown — on which he suffered a dislocated leg — not been overturned by replay officials. Fair or not, that left this unit with a collective four catches for 24 yards on nine targets. Adam Shaheen couldn’t get open when Trubisky looked his way in the end zone on third and goal early in the second quarter, leading to a field goal. Dion Sims had three catches for 15 yards, and without Miller, he, Shaheen and Daniel Brown (one catch, nine yards) will need to make more of an impact in the passing game going forward. 

OFFENSIVE LINE: C-

The losses of Kyle Long (hand) and Cody Whitehair (elbow) during the game hurt, and Trubisky was under pressure on 18 of his 37 drop-backs during the game, according to Pro Football Focus. This group generated a decent push for Howard early but struggled as the game went on, with Josh Sitton having to fill in as the emergency center.

DEFENSIVE LINE: A-

Akiem Hicks had a sack, a tackle for a loss and two hurries as his excellent play continues in his return to New Orleans. Jonathan Bullard critically stripped Mark Ingram in one of the bigger plays of the game, while Eddie Goldman was solid again. Mitch Unrein didn’t record any disruptive stats but his pressure helped knock Drew Brees to the turf, leading to Leonard Floyd’s sack. This wasn’t the D-line’s best game of the year, but 19 of Ingram and Alvin Kamara’s 26 runs went for five yards or fewer, which reflects well on this bunch.

LINEBACKERS: B

Danny Trevathan again played at a high level, leading the Bears with 13 tackles and adding a tackle for a loss. Christian Jones had seven tackles and recovered a fumble, while Leonard Floyd had a sack, hurry and pass break-up (on the sack, yes, he merely touched an on-the-ground Brees, but his athletic hurdle on the play gave him the opportunity to get that easy sack). Keeping the explosive Kamara to 28 yards on eight carries is a nod to this group, though he did have three catches for 48 yards — including a 34-yard back-shoulder grab with Floyd in coverage.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: C+

The Bears saw some uncharacteristically poor tackling from this group, with Bryce Callahan whiffing on bringing down Brandon Coleman on a 54-yard play in the first quarter and Adrian Amos whiffing on a tackle (it’s worth noting he did make an excellent tackle, holding onto Ingram after a screen pass for a loss of yards in the first quarter). Eddie Jackson couldn’t make a play on an ill-advised Brees deep ball that wound up being a 53-yard completion to Ted Ginn Jr. On one hand, not allowing Brees to throw a touchdown was an accomplishment, on the other, he completed 23 of 28 passes, though plenty of those were short, safer concepts designed to limit the effectiveness of the Bears’ pass rush. Amos deserves a ton of credit for forcing an Ingram fumble late in the game that gave the Bears an opportunity to win the game.

SPECIAL TEAMS: C-

Connor Barth missed a 48-yard attempt and is now seven for 11 this year, which puts his job in jeopardy heading into the bye week. Fuller lining up offsides on a Will Lutz attempt was a brutal mistake that directly led to the Saints scoring seven points instead of three on their opening drive, and long snapper Andrew DePaola was whistled for a false start in the second quarter. Saving this grade: Tarik Cohen’s 42-yard kick return with the Bears down by eight inside the two-minute warning, which also had a 15-yard horse collar penalty tacked on to it. Had the Bears been successful in their last-ditch comeback, that return would’ve been looked at as being critical.

COACHING: C-

Fuller — who replaced Sherrick McManis on field goal defense — lining up offsides was a brutal penalty that didn’t reflect well on him or special teams coordinator Jeff Rodgers, and that flag resulted in the Saints getting seven points on their first possession instead of three. Long snapper Andrew DePaola was whistled for a false start on a Pat O’Donnell punt in the second quarter, too. Some of Dowell Loggains’ playcalls deserve scrutiny, like having Trubisky pass on third-and-one and fourth-and-one when down five around the two-minute warning. It’s worth noting, though, that Loggains schemed to allow Trubisky to get the ball out quickly: He was 9/19 on passes thrown within 2 1/2 seconds of receiving the snap and 5/14 on passes thrown 2.6 seconds or later, per Pro Football Focus. It was disappointing to see the Bears come out flat to start the second half, too, with an uninspired three-and-out on the opening possession of the third quarter. But defensively, Vic Fangio’s adjustments helped keep a lid on the Saints’ offense in the second half, with New Orleans managing six points in the final 30 minutes (three of which came after Trubisky’s late turnover on downs in Bears territory).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2017, 03:20:08 pm

It's hard to assess Trubisky seeing how we can't see what he sees from our living rooms, but one thing I did notice is that he's throwing high to his receivers.  The pass to McBride was high, but he made a leaping catch to turn that into a big gain.  The pick was high.  And he didn't give Shaheen a chance to go up for the ball at the goal line.

Saints were making a lot of contact with our receivers beyond five yards of the LOS. 

And Howard better be working with a jug machine...daily.  He just doesn't seem to have a feel for getting open on screens and flat passes.  We were spoiled by Matt Forte.   

As for Cohen, Loggains better dig up some film on how Philly, San Diego and the Saints incorporated Darrell Sproles into their offenses.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 30, 2017, 09:06:20 pm
I think the bears will move on from Freeman, unless he restructures his deal and takes a big paycut and I doubt he'd do that.  Trevathan, Kwiatkowski, an extended Jones and Timu make a strong ILB group.  I don't see how they can trust Freeman anymore.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2017, 11:23:47 am

I can't disagree.  But the only point I can make for Freeman is that he is better than all those guys.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2017, 11:58:53 am
Doesnt his contract end at the end of the season? or is at the end of 2018?

Somewhere I read it both ways. He is going to lose more pay next year. And this is the 2nd PED suspension. Do they really want that back next year? Just asking.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2017, 02:14:45 pm

He is signed through 2018.  I think his deal is $2.5M to $3.0M for the final year.  He'll lose 1/8th of that since he'll miss the 2 games in 2018.

I think the latest PED violation is related to him most likely trying to recover from his current injury.   He may have thought they wouldn't be testing while he was on IR.

He was the leading tackler last season.  He was the leading tackler before he went out on IR.  I wouldn't cut him but if the Bears want to go with Christian Jones long term that may be too much money tied up at MLB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 31, 2017, 02:53:15 pm
I believe that PED's should be okay to use if you are injured, but before you return you must not have any trace in your system or a minimum of "X" weeks after last taken plus no trace in the system.

Why not?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 01, 2017, 12:22:47 pm
Then they can sue the league for making them take foreign substances
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 01, 2017, 01:22:34 pm

From the Trib's Mike Mulligan on Kyle Fuller and the Bears' future CB issues

But with both players battling injuries early, Fuller has bailed them out. The former first-round draft pick (14th overall in 2014) is 25 and playing his best football since coming to the Bears. That’s not entirely a compliment. There was nowhere to go but up, especially when he fell out of favor under third-year defensive coordinator Vic Fangio in 2015 and missed last season with a scoped knee and slow recovery.

Fuller was so out of favor, the team would have traded him in the offseason it they could have found a partner. Failing in that, they opted not to pick up his fifth-year option so he’s a free agent after this season.


I'll admit Fuller was not the shutdown CB many expected him to be.  But he did play in 32 out of his first 32 games recording 6 interceptions and 3 forced fumbles.  Last year he said he was hurt and nobody believed him including the idiot sportswriters.   And now at the ripe old age of 25 with a better surrounding cast he's finally playing at a high level.  Sometimes it takes young players a couple years to figure it out, but in this knee jerk sports world it's all about immediate gratification. 


Do the Bears read the sudden ferocity of his play as career progression? Has the light gone on in his fourth season as a professional with a path to glory finally illuminated? Or is his improved play some sort of illusion — a clever way for him to get a lucrative contract?

Yeah, Fuller is the team's 3rd leading tackler and leader in passes defended because he's using smoke and mirrors.


The good news is the Bears should know everything they need to know about Fuller: his work habits; how well he learns; if he’s self-motivated; how he interacts. This seemed to be the sort of information they relied upon in making the decision to allow Alshon Jeffery to leave via free agency. You can’t argue letting him go, but not replacing him is another matter completely.

Yeah, I can argue with letting Jeffery go.  With so many holes on the Bears team they just didn't have the resources to replace him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 01, 2017, 01:59:09 pm
I'm not saying it is the case with Fuller, but some players do turn it up a notch when they are in a contract year, which now Fuller is in.  Just saying...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 01, 2017, 02:30:26 pm
Then they can sue the league for making them take foreign substances

Player option.  I wasn't saying that the league should encourage it, what I meant was that during a significant injury a player can take PEDs to recover, if they choose to do so.  Perhaps a minimum time out of 8 weeks, just throwing stuff on the wall, but the product will then be tested for and you can not play until it is out of your blood.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 01, 2017, 03:53:38 pm

I'm not saying it is the case with Fuller, but some players do turn it up a notch when they are in a contract year, which now Fuller is in.  Just saying...

That's life in NFL free agency.  Bears know Fuller - this is the 3rd year he's been with Fox/Fangio.

That's probably why Pace likes to "rent" players for only a year rather than signing incoming free agents to multi year deals.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 04, 2017, 11:53:35 am
Jeffery wasn't interested in remaining a Bear. I don't think he ever got over the Bears cutting Marshall. Looks like Jeffery is playing decently with the Eagles. $14 mil worth? I dunno..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 09, 2017, 07:13:33 pm
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/11/08/mitchell-trubisky-bears-josh-sitton-respect-cursing/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 11, 2017, 12:37:45 pm
Bears are releasing WR Tanner Gentry today per source. They hope to bring him back Monday.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 22, 2017, 07:20:54 pm
https://twitter.com/fduffy3/status/933425594590744578
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 23, 2017, 06:08:05 am
He talks about second throw, that could also be on the receiver. Trubisky has had little help from the receivers. I think he's (Trubisky) looked good..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on November 23, 2017, 06:25:06 am
 I'm for bringing back Alshon if he stays healthy this year with the Eagles. I'd also like to take a swipe at DeVante Adams of GB. Happy Thanksgiving to all on this board!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 23, 2017, 11:54:33 am
I think Jeffrey made it clear he doesn't want to be a bear.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2017, 12:50:12 pm
He did
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 23, 2017, 01:43:58 pm
Was it a Bears thing, or was it a shitty QB thing?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2017, 07:52:51 pm
Probably a combination thing.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 23, 2017, 10:24:51 pm

It was also a money thing.   Bears could have tagged his a$$.

But you see if a Bears player has a year of injuries even though he's been healthy most of the rest of his career - they hold it against him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 23, 2017, 10:37:31 pm

Matthew Stafford is something else.  But did you know his rookie season where he played 10 games and completed 53% of his passes?  Threw for 13 TDs in those 10 games along with 20 picks.   Rating 61.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 24, 2017, 09:03:21 am
It was also a money thing.   Bears could have tagged his a$$.

But you see if a Bears player has a year of injuries even though he's been healthy most of the rest of his career - they hold it against him.

And rightfully so. No way do you tag him the 2nd time. So you are saying the Bears should have tagged him for like 17 Mill? And there is no way the Bears pay him 17 Mill to bring him back either which seems likely he will be looking for after this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 24, 2017, 11:17:58 am
Alshon didn't want to be here. I doubt the front office wants him back. A very valid point though, "maybe it was the QB".. There is no doubt that a receiver like him would help Mitch tremendously..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on November 25, 2017, 09:57:46 pm
Harbs may have just taken another step closer to Chicago today, having lost to ohio state ...again.  At home. I think his record now is worse than the guy they fired before him, Brady Hoke.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 25, 2017, 10:26:02 pm



 
Harbs may have just taken another step closer to Chicago today, having lost to ohio state ...again.  At home. I think his record now is worse than the guy they fired before him, Brady Hoke.


 We should get the coaches he loses to.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 26, 2017, 11:35:37 am
One thing, sure seems as if Harbaugh would be a good fit for the Bears. And remember, Fangio was his D coordinator.

Do the Bears ever get the coach that makes sense? Nope! We'll end up with another hoser of a coach..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 26, 2017, 11:55:16 am
I think I read Marc Trestman won the 2017 CFL championship this year.  Maybe we could get him back.....um no, no, no, put down the pipe, sorry. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 26, 2017, 03:47:10 pm
One thing, sure seems as if Harbaugh would be a good fit for the Bears

Especially since it seems they enjoy losing so much. Personally, I prefer a coach that can get this team winning.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 26, 2017, 07:12:13 pm
Seriously? So who would you prefer? 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 26, 2017, 08:41:41 pm
There has to be a better candidate
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on November 27, 2017, 03:29:32 pm
https://twitter.com/Rich_Campbell/status/935232223095218176

Rich Campbell‏Verified account
@Rich_Campbell
 2h2 hours ago
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There's a wretched stench throughout Halas Hall this afternoon. I mean, totally nasty. Apparently sushi was served here late last week & no one disposed of it properly over the holiday weekend. HC John Fox said he thinks the smell is, indeed, the sushi. Yuck.


The smell is your shitty coaching John, not the **** sushi.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 27, 2017, 04:26:08 pm
Probably its a combo thing. Yes the coaching stinks. And that begins with the injury problem.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2017, 05:55:47 pm
yes we do need a new coach. This team is NOT improving in any area. That is the main issue here. Fox literally has lost the team.

I like Fangio and he should stay. The azz clown O coordinator who does not seem to get Howard enough carries needs to go as well.

They had money for Alshon...but most of it went to incompetent Glennon.

I just hope the current coaches on O do not ruin Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 28, 2017, 08:29:20 am
Seems to me that Trubisky looked better in preseason than he has lately. Could this be coaching ruining the kid before he even gets started? He played with more abandon and made some amazing throws in preseason and lately he has trouble even connecting downfield, throwing over heads of open recievers.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 28, 2017, 08:31:42 am
His game against the Lions was not a bad one, in fact put them in position to tie the game.  The Eagle game was by far his worst game, but that was confounded with the entire team collapsing.  How many penalties did our offense have that took away a positive play?  two defensive holding calls on Amaukmarra, etc.  constantly shooting ourselves in the foot.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 28, 2017, 09:14:19 am
I think it is a combo of he was playing against 3rd stringers in preseason, and they are telling him now to be super careful with the ball and avoid turnovers, thus handcuffing him. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 28, 2017, 09:23:29 am

I haven't seen the Philly game but I did see the highlights (or should I saw lowlights).  On one Trubisky interception to the right on 4th down, you see Trubisky throw into a crowd of 2 receivers and at least 3 defenders.  I know it was 4th down and Trubisky forced it but why do you have a pass pattern with 2 receivers in the same area?

And BTW the Dallas media is now saying the league has figured out Dak Prescott after 20 games or so.  Maybe it's not all about the QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 28, 2017, 10:45:02 am
I think when you become predictable, keep running the same plays, it's easier to shut down a QB. You have to have a stellar QB with unbelievable accuracy (think Rodgers) to run the same stuff and be successful. Defenses are quicker at figuring it out than offenses are at being creative it seems anymore....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 28, 2017, 10:28:30 pm
I haven't seen the Philly game but I did see the highlights (or should I saw lowlights).  On one Trubisky interception to the right on 4th down, you see Trubisky throw into a crowd of 2 receivers and at least 3 defenders.  I know it was 4th down and Trubisky forced it but why do you have a pass pattern with 2 receivers in the same area?

And BTW the Dallas media is now saying the league has figured out Dak Prescott after 20 games or so.  Maybe it's not all about the QB.

I think the problem is Trubisky has been watching too many Cutler plays on the old tape machine in the quarterback room and its rubbing off on him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 29, 2017, 10:05:27 am

It's pretty simple to defense the Bears these days.  Overplay the run and single up your DBs on the Bears receivers who at best would be #4 or #5 on most NFL team rosters.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 29, 2017, 10:27:26 am
And Jimmy Garoppalo is coming to town
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 29, 2017, 10:36:49 am
Mulligan spouting off on Pace getting fleeced in the Trubisky trade:


It was just more than 20 years ago when John Lynch, then a hard-hitting safety with the Buccaneers, first made a memorable impact on the Bears. Lynch bit on a play fake one late November day at Soldier Field, allowing Erik Kramer to complete a short pass in the flat to tight end John Allred.

Lynch recovered quickly, lined up Allred on the sideline and knocked the guy out cold with a glancing blow to the side of his head.

“I was asleep before I hit the ground,’’ Allred once said.

Interesting thing is that Allred is the younger brother of Lynch’s wife, Linda, and the two players were close friends who would talk a few times a week.

Lynch, born in Hinsdale but raised in San Diego, gave Bears general manager Ryan Pace the brother-in-law treatment during the NFL draft last April. Worst of all, Lynch, now the 49ers GM, laid out Pace in front of the old Monday Morning Quarterback himself, Peter King of Sports Illustrated.

King was allowed access to the 49ers war room and was privy to the negotiations with Pace. He concluded it was 80 percent likely the Bears would have landed Mitch Trubisky without moving up to the second spot in the draft and detailed how the 49ers squeezed an extra pick out of the Bears.

Reading King’s account you could conclude easily that Pace was duped. The only real question is why Lynch would want the story out. If you are going to fleece a guy, why not do it privately? That way you could invite him back for more and Pace sure came off as a desirable trading partner.

Bully for Lynch, who had just moved from the TV booth to the GM suite, another Stanford man in a position of privilege.

Pace, now three years removed from his job as Sean Payton’s personnel aide, won’t be judged on what he gave up in that deal, but rather on Trubisky’s NFL career. And in the euphoria of landing his man, the young GM likely forgave whatever indiscretion was involved.

But now, whatever gust of fresh air Trubisky brought with him when he took over from Mike Glennon is starting to smell as stale as the rotten sushi at Halas Hall. The patronizing superiority of finally landing a quarterback-of-the-future has turned into deeply suspicious anxiety.

How is it possible that Trubisky suddenly has produced numbers worse than Glennon’s? He has a significantly worse completion percentage (52.8 to 66.4) and a worse passer rating (70.8 to 76.8). They each have four touchdowns passes but Trubisky’s four interceptions are only one fewer than Glennon’s five.

The Bears, of course, are a significantly different team now than they were earlier in the season. They are more beaten up, and had a dozen different starters last week than the team that lined up to open the season.

Both quarterbacks dealt with few weapons and questionable coaching. Trubisky looks much more the part than Glennon, but the simple fact is through his seven starts, he only has hinted at the trajectory needed to become a franchise quarterback. He has plenty to learn to become the player Pace envisioned.

Meanwhile, Lynch landed two of the top players on his draft board, pass rusher Solomon Thomas at No. 3 and linebacker Reuben Foster in a trade up to No. 31. Thomas, a native Chicagoan, who moved to Australia at age 2 and then to Texas at 7, is the player Lynch thought the Bears wanted to move up to draft.

The 49ers biggest move of the season came much later, surrendering a second-round pick on Oct. 30 for former Rolling Meadows High star Jimmy Garoppolo, the guy who broke Tony Romo’s passing records at Eastern Illinois and was poised to be Tom Brady’s successor.

The Patriots’ price for Garoppolo before the draft was prohibitive, but eventually they decided to move him when they couldn’t sign him. Garoppolo is a free agent at season’s end and coach Kyle Shanahan has admitted the team plans to put a franchise tag on him.

The 49ers have been reluctant to start a player who doesn’t know the scheme, but he came in last week and threw for a touchdown in just more than one minute of play after C.J. Beathard went down. Shanahan announced Wednesday that Garoppolo would be making his first start Sunday against the Bears. The 49ers are expected to pay him a franchise tag number of around $23 million for next season. That’s a lofty price and means the player has all the leverage on a long-term deal.

The 49ers were extremely lucky to get a potential franchise quarterback to go with a couple of defensive studs. Not bad in the first year of the Lynch/Shanahan partnership that came with matching six-year deals.

Three years into Fox/Pace, the Bears would have hoped they wouldn’t be facing another meaningless December showdown with the 49ers, interesting mainly for draft implications. But that’s where they are: beaten and injured, in a four-game losing streak with public outcry for the coach’s job.

Surely, Pace is hoping to continue ducking the recrimination inherent in a loss to a 1-10 team. Pace got a reprieve with rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson’s injury, but now here comes Lynch ready to beat him silly with Jimmy Football. Not again.



 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 29, 2017, 10:48:48 am

Yeah, Pace gave up a 3 and a 4 and next year's 3 to trade up.  Maybe the 49ers wouldn't have taken Trubisky at 2, or maybe someone else trade's up.  Of course Pace could have just hoped and prayed that Trubisky would fall otherwise he was looking at a team with Glennon and Sanchez at QB.

But looking at the value chart the difference between the #2 and the #3 pick is 400 points.   Our #3 was worth 255 and our #4 about a 100.  So that's 355 right there.  Don't know the value of next year's #3 but I figure it's somewhere between the two.  So it's not like Pace gave up the farm to move up 1 spot.

And Mulligan compares Trubisky's performance to rotten sushi.  And Solomon Thomas has done what exactly?  2 sacks in 9 games.  And stud Reuben Foster is the MLB for a team that's 30th against the run.  Both players could get better but so can Trubisky.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 29, 2017, 04:21:41 pm
John Fox - "We don't know exactly what we're doing" (https://mobile.twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/935957971804262403?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fajax%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-935957971804262403%26autosize%3D1)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 29, 2017, 04:47:46 pm
I like Trubisky. He's a rookie. We need better coaching. Hopefully we get someone next season that can develop a young QB.. Plus a few good receivers wouldn't hurt..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 29, 2017, 08:10:36 pm
So Mulligan wants to praise Lynch yet he's the one who is franchise tagging a guy who has played all of 5 or 6 games.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 30, 2017, 08:28:48 am
I am hoping we have better options for our next HC....

We'll start the rebuild in the Windy City by working under an assumption that just about everyone is making with the Bears mired at 3-8 and in last place in the NFC North: Head coach John Fox will be fired.

And as Barry Rozner wrote for the Daily Herald, it isn't hard to make an argument that general manager Ryan Pace should get the axe too, given his track record over three seasons in Chicago.

The consensus appears to be, however, that Pace will be with the team in 2018, and his job will be two-fold.

First, the Bears need to go out and find a young, offensive-minded head coach. Pace rolled the dice on moving up in the 2017 draft to select Mitchell Trubisky as the team's franchise quarterback—just weeks after handing Mike Glennon $18.5 million in guaranteed money to come to Chicago.

The Bears don't need another retread coach. They need a young gun who can do for Trubisky what Sean McVay appears to have done for Jared Goff in Los Angeles. Most of the criticism being directed at Trubisky in 2017 was also tossed Goff's way a year ago. "But" was being bandied about with some frequency.

The Bears probably don't offer an attractive enough situation to lure Josh McDaniels away from the New England Patriots, but perhaps they could poach 33-year-old Jim Bob Cooter away from the Detroit Lions. Or the Bears could consider going in house with offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains.

Don't groan. Loggains isn't nearly as responsible for Chicago's offensive struggles as the problem that created Step 2: Trubisky needs help.

Offensively, the Bears have tailback Jordan Howard and...nothing else. Chicago has arguably the weakest receiving corps in the league. The Kevin White pick was a waste. The team let Alshon Jeffery walk in free agency and replaced him with a group of castoffs.

A Chicago offensive line that was thought to be a strength has regressed in a big way as well. Injuries have played a part there, but they don't fully explain why the Bears rank outside the top 20 in both run and pass-blocking at Football Outsiders.

Trubisky's in the same no-win situation Goff was in a year ago: poor coaching (at least at the top), a below-average line in front of him and jack squat in the way of viable targets to throw to.

The kid could be a phenomenal quarterback and he isn't going to succeed in that mess.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2017, 10:30:46 am
I am hoping we have better options for our next HC....

Yes, and better than retread and Michigan failure Jim Hairball, who couldnt rescue the Michigan program.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 30, 2017, 12:42:02 pm
The Bears brought another safety back from IR, closing the book on oft-injured wideout Kevin White‘s third season.

Via Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, the Bears designated veteran safety Quintin Demps to return from injured reserve. He broke his left forearm in Week Three and needed surgery.

He’ll practice today, and be eligible to be promoted to the active roster anytime the next three weeks.

Last week, the Bears designated safety Deiondre’ Hall to come back from IR.

They still had to make a roster move at the position Thursday, bringing Chris Prosinski back, since they had two other safeties injured and out of practice.

By making the Demps move, the Bears officially won’t be bringing White back this year. The 2015 first-rounder suffered a broken scapula in the opener, and had surgery.

Since being drafted seventh overall, White has played five games and caught 21 passes.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2017, 01:55:26 pm
That could be the book  closer on White's Bear career.  That wouldnt surprise me.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 30, 2017, 02:33:05 pm

It WOULD surprise me.  We need numbers at WR next year.  Bring him back and see if he can make the team and is worthy of his $2.6M salary.  If he's not that means we have better receivers.

The good news on his last injury is that it wasn't below the waist - it shouldn't affect his mobility/speed conditioning.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on November 30, 2017, 02:38:34 pm

Since the hot topic (of the media) these days is replacing Fox.  What happens if the new regime goes back to a 4-3 defense?

Could change the offseason draft/FA direction forcing the Bears to address defensive positions like  DT, OLB, and possibly MLB...in addition to CB.  I think we're OK at safety especially if Demps and Hall return.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 30, 2017, 05:01:32 pm
Not to mention, White's salary is guaranteed for 2018.  We get nothing by releasing him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 30, 2017, 07:15:23 pm
Since the hot topic (of the media) these days is replacing Fox.  What happens if the new regime goes back to a 4-3 defense?
.

That's why I hope we keep Fangio
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2017, 08:25:36 pm
I would too.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 01, 2017, 11:21:54 am

I kind of like the 4-3 defense.  I cringe when I see Leonard Floyd dropping back into pass coverage.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 01, 2017, 12:05:02 pm

Tribune article titles for today:

Mitch Trubisky may have can-do spirit, but it seems he can't do it
...This was to be the one, Mitchell Trubisky, so coveted by the Bears that intricate draft day maneuvering was required to steal him away from no one, to pluck him 197 places ahead of where the Patriots once found Tom Brady...
Bernie Lincicome

Hey, Bernie aren't you retired?  This article needs to be


It’s time Mitch Trubisky reminded us why Bears gave 49ers a draft haul
...The reality: If that progress doesn’t resume Sunday at home against the 49ers and Jimmy Garoppolo, more people in Chicago will begin to wonder if general manager Ryan Pace fixated on the wrong No. 10 last winter...
David Haugh


So if Trubisky outplays Garapopolo on Sunday in this all of a sudden important game for Trubisky then does that mean that Pace made the right decision.

Yes, Trubisky struggled against the Eagles after putting together a couple of decent games before hand.

But check out these stats:
18/31  145 yards     zero TDs   3 interceptions   1 lost fumble

This was Dak Prescott against the Eagles in Dallas a week before the Bears game.  And those numbers were with Jason Witten, Dez Bryant, and several pro bowl O-lineman.   




Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 02, 2017, 03:06:31 am



 Your CHICAGO BEARS 2018 Draft :


 Another QB in the first round !


 WHY ?


 Look at the history at QB of the CHICAGO BEARS ... like ... what history ?


 Seriously we can break the mold here at the most important position.


 Lets be thinking Brady & Garopalos(sp).


 Why do we think of a one-two punch at every position except QB ?


 Isn't it about time we dictated the rules rather then follow them ?


 How would the NFL react to two first round QB's on THE CHICAGO BEARS ?


 I think basically ... theyed shiit.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on December 02, 2017, 06:39:15 am
 JJ I too have kinda bandied that idea in my mind. If we were to draft in the top 5 and a top QB is there I'd certainly consider it if I couldn't shake someone down for a handful of picks that is. In our case more is better.Too many needs .(WR,OT,CB,EDGE,TE) I see us going after at least one and probably two WRs in free agency. I haven't seen anyone coming up this year so far that I would be comfortable drafting in the 1st round.

 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 02, 2017, 08:26:20 am
Arden Key, although I think he’s gone before we pick...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 02, 2017, 01:07:34 pm
So much for bringing Alshon back:

The real numbers are in for the Alshon Jeffery deal. Given the lack of interest he realized when he finally hit the open market in March (and given the relative lack of high-end production during his first year in Philly), it’s a strong-to-quite-strong contract.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the deal will result in more than $26 million being fully guaranteed to Jeffery if he’s still on the roster on the third day of the 2018 league year. If he’s not, he’ll walk away with $14 million in new money for, essentially, the final five games of the regular season and however many playoff games the Eagles play.

Here’s the full breakdown of the new deal:

1. Signing bonus of $6.25 million.

2. $1 million prorated base salary for the balance of the 2017 season, fully guaranteed. (His existing 2017 salary was unchanged.)

3. $6.5 million option bonus for 2018, fully guaranteed at signing.

4. $1.25 million base salary for 2018, fully guaranteed at signing.

5. $250,000 workout bonus for 2018, fully guaranteed.

6. $11.75 million base salary for 2019, guaranteed for injury at signing. It becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2018 league year.

7. $250,000 workout bonus for 2019, fully guaranteed.

8. $12.75 million base salary for 2020, $1 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing. The $1 million becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2019 league year.

9. $250,000 workout bonus for 2020.

10. $12.75 million base salary for 2021.

11. $250,000 workout bonus for 2021.

12. $1 million in incentives, and $3 million in escalators. (Of the $4.5 million in incentives under his current deal, Jeffery had reached $250,000.)

For a guy who hasn’t had a 1,000-yard receiving season since 2014, the deal is somewhat surprising. It keeps him as a practical matter in Philly through 2019, with a team option for 2020 and 2021, and he’ll make on average more than $13 million in 2018 and 2019.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2017, 06:04:52 pm

For a guy who hasn’t had a 1,000-yard receiving season since 2014, the deal is somewhat surprising.

He had over 800 yards in 2015 and 2016.  2015 he had an injury and in 2016 he had the 4 game suspension.  He was productive when he played.

This year he will probably end up with around 900 yards only because the Eagles have so many other options and spread the ball around.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2017, 08:01:04 pm
So much for bringing Alshon back:

Am I surprised? Only that it was done during the season. I'm sure there are a bunch of Bear fans disappointed. I am not.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2017, 09:10:12 pm

Yeah, I guess you are impressed by the current group of wideouts on the Bears.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 02, 2017, 11:05:05 pm
Bears weren't willing to pay him before. What makes anyone think they were ready to pony up now?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2017, 01:50:22 pm
Good question Chifan, lets see if Dallas has an answer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2017, 02:00:03 pm
Yeah, I guess you are impressed by the current group of wideouts on the Bears.

Certainly not as much as you are of White.

And to correct your memory bank, the Bears were willing to pay Alshon the first tag amount of how much? Seems I remember $14 million. So apparently the Bears WERE willing to pay Jeffery at one time. And the 2nd tag, had they used it, would have been like $17 Million. And NO I dont believe Alshon is worth that much. Apparently you do.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 03, 2017, 07:35:42 pm

I haven't seen White play...nobody has.  The guy's been snake bit like no other first rounder I can recall.  Go ahead and pile on.   

This year Jeffery wouldn't have made a difference but we now get to draft a #1 or #2 draft pick on a wide receiver instead of addressing a multitude of other positions.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on December 04, 2017, 07:18:45 am
The OL is a shell.  We need to go LT if it makes sense
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 04, 2017, 11:22:08 am
I see the Giants fired their coach. Lord knows the Bears won't do something like that. I want fox the hell away from Trubisky..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 04, 2017, 12:05:37 pm
They also fired their GM. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on December 04, 2017, 01:49:35 pm
Wouldn't bother me in the least if they both got launched.  Won't happen, and we all know it. Lovie got canned after a 10-6 season. Can't beat a one win team at home. Got beat by one of the teams many bad personnel decisions. Again. Gould beat the bear last year as a Giant. Everybody down to the head coach should committ seppku and stream it live.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 05, 2017, 02:13:10 pm
We have yet another new kicker as the old new kicker has been put on IR.

Mike Nugent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 05, 2017, 02:20:33 pm
Why was Robbie Gould let go again?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 05, 2017, 02:24:55 pm
Well if you remember he was missing a lot of field goals his last year and he was making a lot of money for being average.

Not as many as the guys they replaced him with though.

Before that Goulde was great though. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 05, 2017, 02:39:23 pm
I remember him having a bad stretch but I don't remember him being horrible.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 05, 2017, 02:40:53 pm
Yeah, Gould missed 6 field goals in 2015!  But he did make 33.  That's about 85%.  His career average is a bit over 86%.

7 of 9 between 40 and 49....7 of 49 50 and beyond.

Pure financial decision - not one of Pace's best moves.  (Neither was the Santos signing - we'll see, maybe next year).

Wonder if O'Donnell gets a new deal.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 05, 2017, 02:44:12 pm
Yeah.  I think the 3.5 million was more a factor then his FG% since he ended the year with his career average which is 9th best all time in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 05, 2017, 02:49:22 pm
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11737/connor-barth

Barth's percentages were pretty good before coming to Chicago.  Especially in Denver during Fox's last year there when he made 93.8%.  So the money and Fox having a good experience with him is probably why they made the swap.

Perhaps they should have taken into account how difficult it can be to kick in Soldier Field compared to kicking in the thin air of Denver.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 05, 2017, 03:24:10 pm
Didn’t they sign Sitton right after releasing Gould?

If Gould $$$ was needed for Sitton, you make that move every day.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2017, 03:57:12 pm



 NEXT up :


 Cinncy @ Cinncy !


 Should be a cakewalk.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 05, 2017, 04:12:36 pm

Bears have been among the top 10 in available cap space the last 2 years...something like $50M.

If they can't afford a veteran guard then what talent is eating up all their cap space?   

Bears should be in excellent shape next year with Glennon coming off the cap ($18M).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 05, 2017, 04:25:52 pm
The offseason when Gould was released he missed at least two game winning, tying field goal attempts.  He also missed the 40+ yarder in the dome against Minny when a good kick would have put us in the playoffs.  Of course Trestman elected to kick on 2nd down...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2017, 04:28:34 pm



 
Bears have been among the top 10 in available cap space the last 2 years...something like $50M.

If they can't afford a veteran guard then what talent is eating up all their cap space?   

Bears should be in excellent shape next year with Glennon coming off the cap ($18M).


 Damn DAL,


 I wish it was about MONEY ... it's about TALENT !!


 Do we have any ? Can we add more ?


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2017, 04:37:19 pm



 
The offseason when Gould was released he missed at least two game winning, tying field goal attempts.  He also missed the 40+ yarder in the dome against Minny when a good kick would have put us in the playoffs.  Of course Trestman elected to kick on 2nd down...


 The past is DEAD G34.


 Find us a kicker in the seventh round in 2018.


 Unless of course you found something hotter in a round before that.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 05, 2017, 05:20:16 pm

Lots of kickers bounce around the league...they're an odd bunch.

But Sunday's game was not about Gould beating the Bears - yeah, he kicked 5 field goals - none longer than 35 yards.  It was a nice story for the media.

But the real story was the defense not able to stop Grappolo and the 49ers when they needed to.  And at the end when they didn't need to stop them - they stopped them.

And 2nd story was our offensive line getting whipped trying to run the ball and relying on our rookie QB and receivers to bail them out.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 05, 2017, 06:18:10 pm
Unrein and Long were added to the IR today.  Bullard will get plenty of playing time to see if he can be a solid DE.  I dont know what they do with Long's spot.  Maybe Whitehair to G and Grasu to C.  Give Grasu a few games to prove he belongs in the NFL.  The other option is starting Compton.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 05, 2017, 07:07:29 pm
The offseason when Gould was released he missed at least two game winning, tying field goal attempts.  He also missed the 40+ yarder in the dome against Minny when a good kick would have put us in the playoffs.  Of course Trestman elected to kick on 2nd down...

Gould's percentage wasn't horrible, but it was when he missed the field goals that mattered.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 05, 2017, 08:29:17 pm
Bears 2017....better, or worse than Bears 2014, i.e. has this team made any progress or is it going nowhere fast....let's see:


                  2014                              2017                        Better, Worse, Equal

OFFENSE

QB -           Cutler                             Trubisky                                  Equal, possibly worse

 RB -           Forte                              Jordan                                    Equal

WR -           Jeffery                            White
                   Royal                              Merrideth                              Worse
                   Bellami                           Wheaton
                   Aromashadu                    Wright       

TE -             Bennett                          Miller                                     Worse
                   Miller                              Simms     

OL -             Bushrod                         Leno
                    Slauson                         Sitton
                    Long                              Long                                      Slight improvement
                    Garza                             Whitehair
                    Mills                               Massie

P -               O'Donnell                       O'Donnell                                Equal

K -               Gould                             Barth,etc etc                           Worse


DEFENSE

DL -             Young                           Bullard                                     Better
                    Houston                        Hicks
                    Allen                             Unrein
                    Anderson                       Jenkins                   
                    Bass                              Goldman
                    Sutton
                    Ratliff
                    Ferguson

LB -              Acho                              Floyd                                     Better
                    Bostic                             Freeman
                    Briggs                            Trevathan
                    McClellin                         Young
                    McPhee                           McPhee

CB -             Fuller                              Fuller                                    Better
                    Hurst                              Amukamara
                    Jennings                         Cooper
                    Hayden                           Callahan       

S -               Vereen                           Amos                                     Better
                    Steltz                              Jackson
                    Rolle                               Bush
                    Mundy                             Demps

Writing this I am struck by how incredibly pathetic the safety situation was in 14'. CB wasn't much better, so those spots could only hope to go up from the bottom. This list is my opinion....
                   
                 

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 06, 2017, 05:03:05 am
I think the running back situation is better (slightly). QB I would say is better, in hopes that there is some future. We knew what we had in Cutler.

You didn't have coach listed. Wow, is that a fukking toss up. I would have to say that maybe, just maybe Trestman was better. Fire Fox now!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on December 06, 2017, 06:19:31 am
 I figure we'll be selecting in the top three in the draft. I'd prefer to trade down with a team in need of a QB for a bunch of picks. I'm just not seeing the can't miss prospect in any of these upcoming draftees. I think we need to acquire two solid WRs thru free agency. Unfortunately Alshon has resigned with the Eagles. Devante Adams would be a nice addition.Maybe Sammie Watkins? Not real impressed with this WR draft class.
  Maybe we should consider drafting another QB somewhere in the draft. Definitely need a CB and OT.I'd love to see us pull off a trade down with Cleveland for their second 1st rounder and their first 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 06, 2017, 07:55:17 am
Just say no to Grasu.  He needs to go.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 06, 2017, 10:35:06 am

I figure we'll be selecting in the top three in the draft. I'd prefer to trade down with a team in need of a QB for a bunch of picks. I'm just not seeing the can't miss prospect in any of these upcoming draftees. I think we need to acquire two solid WRs thru free agency. Unfortunately Alshon has resigned with the Eagles. Devante Adams would be a nice addition.Maybe Sammie Watkins? Not real impressed with this WR draft class.
  Maybe we should consider drafting another QB somewhere in the draft. Definitely need a CB and OT.I'd love to see us pull off a trade down with Cleveland for their second 1st rounder and their first 2nd rounder.


You only trade down if the guys coming available at your spot are not difference makers or you believe you can get better value moving down with multiple picks.  Definitely wouldn't rule it out.

I totally agree about the WRs thru free agency.  We need a top tier guy AND a 2nd tier guy and I wouldn't be opposed to possibly adding another one via the draft (depending on what we get in free agency).  Throw those guys in there with Meridith and White returning from injury and a re-signed Inman and you just might have some targets for Trubisky that might last the whole season.

As for the draft of a WR.  I looked at last year's first round crop - all taken top 10:
Corey Davis - Titans - 22 catches 0 TDs
Mike Wiliams Chargers - 9 catches 0 TDs
John Ross Bengals 0 catches  (he's only played in 3 games, maybe he's been hurt but he was the guy that broke the 40 yard dash times)

Even the 2016 first round class has not been overly productive and if they have been they can't stay healthy (Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell).  Fuller is a stud but he's only played 6 games this year.

Not saying these guys are busts, but I think WR aside from QB is probably one of the riskiest choices in round 1. 

I'm still eyeing elite pass rushers with our first round pick.  But you couldn't go wrong with a top corner and reluctantly maybe we need to look at offensive lineman.  I'm not that down on Leno and Massie as I am the interior guys.  I really don't have a problem with our line's pass blocking but their run blocking sukks lately.

The past couple of drafts Pace has traded up in round 1 and down in round 2.  But Bears could use some more picks to infuse more talent on this team.





Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 06, 2017, 10:42:04 am

Just say no to Grasu.  He needs to go.


He'll be in his final year of his contract next year for $705K.  That's cheap.  But that's not the issue.  The fact that they are putting Compton in at RG rather than inserting Grasu and sliding Whitehair over tells me something.  We'll see how it goes Sunday.

I think Eric Kush is going to be our swing guy next year.  Grasu appears to be a center only and unless you're starting, teams don't keep backup centers.   

And with Sitton and Long signed for next year - I don't see the Bears moving Whitehair to guard.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 06, 2017, 12:57:18 pm
All you need to see is Grasu getting pushed backwards constantly.  He is the weakest link when he plays.  Time to go.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 06, 2017, 02:22:54 pm
Think this is the year for as many picks as they can possibly get. This team is improving so slowly that it needs a good infusion of youth. If they have a top 3 pick, trade it and grab as many picks as they can get IMO. They've been out of the playoffs now for 7 years. Something needs to change...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2017, 05:29:37 pm
I see the point. It really depends on who and what is available. If you can get what you need later then yes drop down a bit. But because we are 2 picks down the drop down idea isnt something to be dismissed.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 06, 2017, 10:26:11 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171207/87c0ca7ccbc3f5a19a7c808d567195f9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 07, 2017, 05:05:04 am
I agree about the picks, it would have to be a complete no brainer to stay put. I can't believe this team is still devoid of talent.. At least Angelo did well in free agency, Pace needs to start to show something and it better start with the next pick for coach..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 07, 2017, 05:05:47 am
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171207/87c0ca7ccbc3f5a19a7c808d567195f9.jpg)

That says it all!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 07, 2017, 11:13:05 am

I think we're actually are 1 pick down.  We gave up our 3rd for Trubisky and our 6th or 7th for Inman, but we have an extra 4th from trading ??  Bostic?

I think Pace has done OK in free agency.  Some hits some misses, but when you have so many holes in your roster you're going to be bringing in a lot of guys each year.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 07, 2017, 01:12:48 pm



 16 game starters in the Draft ?


 Gimme all in the draft !


 Do we want a supahstah who never performs ... or joe lunchbox there for 16 games.


 I'll take the lunchbox guy. The more Grabowski's the better.


 We have to define the future not according to the NFL ... but CHICAGO BEARS.


 Defining ourselves according to what's hot in the NFL has not worked for us.


 We have the history since 1985 to prove it.


 Time to be ourselves again.  ;D

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 07, 2017, 04:16:00 pm
This is a sad but true obituary for a once proud franchise....

Column: Bears’ futility has proved to be extreme and prolonged

By  Dan Wiederer•Contact Reporter
Chicago Tribune

December 6, 2017, 4:10 PM


Prince Amukamara was sounding it out as best he could. The veteran cornerback was still processing the Bears’ 15-14 loss to the 49ers on Sunday and working to articulate the frustration. But then came a direct question.

Was a loss like this embarrassing for the Bears?

“Are you saying because of the 49ers’ record?” Amukamara asked.

Yes, he was told. After all, the 49ers had won only one other game all season, downing the reeling Giants in Week 10.

So was a defeat like this embarrassing?

“Not embarrassing,” Amukamara said. “We’re just disappointed. Because I think there are games in the NFL where you look and say, ‘OK, we should win this game. We’re pretty confident.’ And to be blunt, this was one of those games.”

Look, there’s nothing wrong with confidence, which the Bears had plenty of heading into the 49ers game. And there’s nothing wrong with a team feeling like it should beat an inferior opponent. But by now, the Bears need to realize they aren’t superior to anyone in the NFL, that their self-assurance is often hollow.

A team that has lost nearly three-quarters of its games over a four-season span can’t accidentally stumble into lapses of overconfidence. A team five years removed from its last winning season shouldn’t traipse anywhere near a misguided belief that it’s on the cusp of bigger things.

Chew on these nuggets of ineptitude.

This season alone 19 NFL teams have enjoyed a winning streak of at least three games. The Bears’ last three-game surge? Well, that came in the first month of the Marc Trestman era — way, way back in September 2013. The only NFL teams that have gone longer without a three-game winning streak? There are none. (Even the Browns have won three in a row more recently, doing so in the middle of 2014.)

The Bears have also been in last place in their division since Dec. 22, 2015. The only team stuck in their division basement for longer, without even a one-week peek outside: the Browns.

The Bears have made only one playoff appearance in the last 10 seasons. The other teams without multiple trips to the postseason party in that span: the Browns, Buccaneers, Rams, Bills, Titans, Raiders and Jaguars.

The Bears have only 25 wins in the five seasons since Lovie Smith was fired. The teams with fewer victories over that stretch: the Jags (23) and Browns (15).

You are the company you keep.

As the city of Chicago knows by now, Sunday marked just the seventh time in three seasons under coach John Fox that the Bears were favored to win. It also marked the seventh time in such games under Fox that they lost. That is a disturbing trend that speaks to some calamitous glitch within the system.

Is it lack of focus? Poor preparation? Unusual overconfidence? Maybe a combination of everything?

Who knows? But the inquest at Halas Hall to further examine this franchise’s prolonged failure must intensify.

Sunday’s loss wasn’t just an unfortunate stumble. This was Wile E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner off the cliff, plummeting to the ground then taking an anvil to the skull before accepting a package of lit dynamite.

Cue the violins.

These aren’t just your 2017 Bears. This is yet another low point for a franchise that has been sputtering for much of the past quarter-century. Since 1992, in fact, the Bears have had more 10-loss seasons (nine) than playoff appearances (five). And that 10-loss season total will soon tick up to 10, perhaps as soon as Sunday in Cincinnati.

It’s also worth mentioning that the Bears have not been at .500 at any point since Week 7 of 2014. The only team with a longer skid of futility in that department? Again, there is none.

It all speaks to an organizational failure to establish proper standards in the pursuit of success. Under the weight of such damning evidence, team Chairman George McCaskey should feel obligated to fully examine and then explain the perpetual malfunction.

Yet somehow there’s still no guarantee things won’t get worse before they get better.

Three weeks from now, Fox’s team will host those still-winless Browns on Christmas Eve at Soldier Field. The Bears will likely be favored and expecting to win. In other words, buckle up. The embarrassment could continue.

Either way, significant changes will soon be necessary. Ultimately, if there is a true commitment to turning things around, McCaskey should go through every corner of the building and insist that improvements be made. That will require new leaders in some areas and different philosophies in others.

The Bears’ brain trust can no longer hide from the mirrors at Halas Hall. They need to take a long look and be brutally honest with what they see. Just a forewarning, none of it is
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 07, 2017, 05:45:49 pm

Yeah, the Bears have sucked for a long time.   Extra!  Extra!

Bears need to focus on evaluating for next year.  Which means tell Simms to sit his butt down and put Shaheen in there.  Daniel Brown can play too.

Why or why aren't we playing Wheaton...he knew how to run patterns in Pittsburgh - why can't he master our complicated offense?

Defensively, we have no choice but to play Ballard and Robertson-Harris...a lot.  And I saw some flashes from John Jenkins last week - put him in there too.  Looks like Bryce Callahan is finally healthy.  Get him back in the lineup.  Deon Bush needs to start and not Chris Prosinski.

And how about this...let Trubisky throw a long ball to somebody...I think he can throw those 10 yards slants.  And if the Bengals load the box check down to short passes...nothing wrong with throwing a 3 yard pass that some one like Cohen might break for a big gain.

I get tired of watching the other team open up the game with creative plays...and thinking, Hey, why can't we do that?  And why can't Trubisky have some designed plays where he runs with the ball...might be a way to pick up some of those 3rd and 3s that have been so elusive. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 07, 2017, 06:55:10 pm
It's also like they forgot that he can roll out...  Keep him in the pocket
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on December 07, 2017, 07:26:38 pm
 I read Muhammad Wilkerson has worn out his welcome with the Jets and will not be back next year. Reason is missing practices,inconsistent play,actions detrimental to the team? Maybe a change of scenery might spark some enthusiasm? I'd consider bringing him in on a pay to play contract with a modest base and large incentives.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 08, 2017, 05:53:46 am
One thing I have seen this year is the defensive line rotation is hardly a rotation.  For a stretch, Hicks was playing almost every snap.  As much as the defense is on the field, it was inevitable that he would wear down.  We need to see more of Bullard these last 4 games and bring some other big bodies for the dline.  Hicks and Goldman need to be better preserved during the season to be effective, and that starts with more bodies.  I would welcome Wilkerson.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 08, 2017, 06:00:35 am
I agree, we need to start thinking about next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 08, 2017, 08:03:07 am
Agreed
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 08, 2017, 08:47:47 am
One thing I have seen this year is the defensive line rotation is hardly a rotation.  For a stretch, Hicks was playing almost every snap.  As much as the defense is on the field, it was inevitable that he would wear down.  We need to see more of Bullard these last 4 games and bring some other big bodies for the dline.  Hicks and Goldman need to be better preserved during the season to be effective, and that starts with more bodies.  I would welcome Wilkerson.

I said that in September when the roster came out 5 DL was not enough
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 08, 2017, 10:22:43 am
It is kind of sad when mediocrity would actually be a step "up" for this franchise.......

John Faux football has taken a lot of the interest of watching the Bears out of it. Watching the redzone every week and most of the other primetime matchups (Sunday night, Monday, Thursday) I see a lot of teams that the Bears do NOT look like. This team does not even LOOK to be even on the same playing field as most of its opponents or most of those other teams. They seem to try hard but fail anyway. Kind of like a Special Olympics team competing in the actual Olympics....

This team can recover but only if the "brain trust" (I use that term loosely) makes the right decisions in the offseason (a very BIG leap of faith required there).

But the scars of the last 3 decades (losing 2006 SB included) will take a longer time to heal for as long as the dead hand of the McCaskey's is in control of this ship, it will continue on its rudderless way.....

Yay to the offseason.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 08, 2017, 11:07:18 am
I don't know if anyone else posted this but:

John Fox total wins in 3 seasons = 12

Marc Trestman in 2 seasons = 13

Why hasn't Fox left the team.....because he has already quit and it showed Sunday. Sad.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 08, 2017, 11:31:08 am

Agreed about the overuse of Hicks - he's not the same player he was in the first half.  He's their only legit d-lineman that can generate pressure on the pass.  And Bears were real reluctant to play Ballard and Robertson-Harris early on.  And now they are only starting to play John Jenkins.

And if you caught otto's comment about Abe Gibron's family celebration is that Fox is approaching Gibron's worst winning percentage as a Bear coach.

I said it at the beginning of the season this team has the ability to play with anybody...but would be in serious trouble if there were injuries as their is very little depth.   We lost 3 of our top 4 WRs at the beginning of the season with Meridith, White and Wheaton all going out.   Pass rush was decent even after losing Willie Young with Floyd and McPhee. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 08, 2017, 04:42:22 pm
And if you caught otto's comment about Abe Gibron's family celebration is that Fox is approaching Gibron's worst winning percentage as a Bear coach.

I wondered..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on December 08, 2017, 06:10:57 pm
Speaking of holiday traditions and celebrations, Johnny Morris and his family will be popping that 50th bottle of champagne.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 10, 2017, 07:38:33 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2017/12/bears-curse-chicago-refuses-acknowledge/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on December 11, 2017, 03:51:50 pm
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/john-fox-has-reportedly-accepted-his-fate-basically-telling-people-hell-be-fired/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 13, 2017, 09:38:56 am
Interesting read:

https://sportsmockery.com/2017/12/rumor-biggest-ryan-pace-miscalculation-may-not-have-been-his-fault/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 13, 2017, 10:25:00 am

Yeah, interesting but not totally believable.  If I'm the GM, how do I let the head coach influence a draft pick taken in the 4th round?  Or any draft pick for that matter?

I'm sure there's influence from the head coach on the draft just as there is influence from the GM to play certain people, but bottom line if I'm the GM I'm drafting who I want based on information from player personnel department and scouts.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 13, 2017, 11:25:21 am
I think it could easily have happened that way. I could hope the gm is considering the coach's wish list an needs. After all, the coach is the one that has to make the pieces of the puzzle fit.

The bears can't get rid of Fox fast enough for me. I wasn't all that excited when they hired him. I understood the hire, but didn't care all that much for it..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 13, 2017, 06:57:54 pm
So now this week we find out about past attepts to get quarterbacks.  How does this Erik Lambert know this when the top beat writers didn't.
I would think Prescott in the fourth round would be expected as a backup not a big threat to Cutler.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 14, 2017, 11:26:23 am

Tribune/Campbell

Fuller has had a solid year, improving his availability and the frequency with which he has broken up passes. But let’s not get carried away with Pro Bowl chatter. He was in coverage on the decisive touchdown pass in the devastating home loss to the Packers and on a touchdown in the home loss to the Vikings, to name two critical negative plays.

I agree that Fuller is not a pro-bowler, but to call out a couple TDs he gave up during the year is unfair.  The NFL game is about passing and any NFL CB is going to give up TDs during a season.  As for Fuller, I don't think he's given up much more than those 2 this year and he's had a very solid season.

Anyway, the lack of interceptions may actually help the Bears in re-signing Fuller next  year.


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 14, 2017, 12:46:04 pm
Might indeed lower the price, if he really wants to come back. But at least he is trying to show his best whether its for the Bears or some other team. But unlike other years, there will be more players in this years player pool at CB, thus lowering the price. But if you dont want to draft inexperience and prefer a vet I'd rather have someone who knows the system as opposed to someone from another system. And that would depend on what the Bears do with their coaching staff. So who knows the end result as things stand now.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 14, 2017, 11:13:10 pm
Not at all unfair. Just showing the pluses and minuses, good and bad. You want a consistent cover corner. Fuller has not been consistent, really at all, but there are no other options presently so he stays.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 15, 2017, 12:11:01 pm

Bears were without their 3 top pass rushing OLBs last week and Fuller had to face AJ Green - how did that go?   According to PFF Fuller had the second highest CB ranking in the NFL last week.

Neither Amukamora or Fuller have been excelling in the turnover department - though each have had tipped balls that led to picks.  Not saying Fuller's elite or shutdown - he is very solid, but for you to call his play inconsistent this season tells me that you aren't watching the games. 

He'll get some tough matchups tomorrow going against Stafford and Detroit's aerial circus in the dome.  Hopefully we'll get some more consistent pass rush with McPhee returning.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 15, 2017, 06:36:44 pm
Um if you are counting on McPhee to generate consistent pass rush, whooo boy.  Good luck with that.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 15, 2017, 10:24:40 pm
Go back and look at his career for inconsistent.....not just one contract year...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on December 16, 2017, 08:37:17 am
Last season Kyle Fuller had his knee scoped in the preseason and subsequently missed the entire year.  Fangio (who must have had Bears doctors' reports saying Fuller was ready to go) was publicly questioning his desire to play.  Now that it's his contract year, Kyle Fuller is available and playing like the player he showed flashes of in the first half of his rookie season, except for the Packers and Eagles games.  He's still dropping interceptions but the rest of his game is good.

I wouldn't count on anything from Fuller after he gets paid.  I think his play will regress.  He seems like that kind of player.  I'd be surprised if he gets huge money in FA, the rest of the league is liable to be suspicious of him as well. If he wants to come back on a one year deal, sure , but my gut is that he would like to get out of Chicago.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 16, 2017, 01:07:19 pm

You guys sound like the doctors that thought his knee was fine with your ability to delve deep into Kyle Fuller's psyche.

So his strategy is to play well now, get a big contract, then regress, so maybe he gets cut and doesn't get paid in year 2 of his deal so he can sign a FA one year deal with some team.  What a great plan for a 25 year old that has at least 3 or 4 years left in his career.

As for Fuller, he played in every game his first 2 years with the Bears...had 6 picks...was in the top 3 or 4 each year in tackles.  He played on some pretty bad defenses (recall his safety help were guys like Ryan Mundy, Harold Jones-Quartey, and Chris Prosinski).   Where are those guys now?   

 Did he play up to his first round status - no.  But is he a quality starter in the NFL - yes. 

Hope next year works out well with the Bears at CB.  They'll have Marcus Cooper returning - that's it.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 16, 2017, 02:01:59 pm
Um Chris Prosinski is on the Bears right now.  Doh.....lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 16, 2017, 07:03:08 pm

Yeah, Prosinski was on his couch for the last 4 months.   Nobody called.   He's only playing now because Demps and Amos are hurt and Deon Bush who started ahead of him sucks.

Just emphasizes my point at the talent level we've had at safety the last few years.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 16, 2017, 10:42:28 pm



 
Yeah, Prosinski was on his couch for the last 4 months.   Nobody called.   He's only playing now because Demps and Amos are hurt and Deon Bush who started ahead of him sucks.

Just emphasizes my point at the talent level we've had at safety the last few years.


 Out side of Jackson ,,,


 we had our chance to stock up big time at safety in last years draft.


 For reasons beyond our control it didn't happen.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2017, 07:22:41 pm

You mean passing on Jamaal Adams of LSU?

He's a really good strong safety.  Not what you call a ball hawk with 4 passes defended and no interceptions on the year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 18, 2017, 06:54:48 pm



 
You mean passing on Jamaal Adams of LSU?

He's a really good strong safety.  Not what you call a ball hawk with 4 passes defended and no interceptions on the year.


 Dal,


 You know that Jets were going to give up the ghost for draft picks in 2018.


 Word is the reason they didn't is Adams attitude.


 An intangible that would be well liked on any team.


 Look at what JuJu brought to Steelers.


 That's the kind of players we need.


 In addition to being 16 game starters.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 19, 2017, 10:12:17 am

Schuster is the perfect #2  guy...not a speed merchant.  But a guy who knows how to get open and catch the ball.  Of course he benefits from having Ben as a QB and Antonio Brown on the other side.  I totally underestimated his ability when I saw his average 40 time at the combine.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 20, 2017, 08:28:37 am
The Bears have not been a good football team in the John Fox era, which is why they’ve been favored just seven times in Fox’s three years. And why they’ve lost all seven times they were favored.

Yes, Chicago’s record in the Fox era is 0-7 as a favorite and 13-26 as an underdog. That’s not good, but it’s particularly bad to lose every time you’re expected to win.

On Sunday, the Bears are expected to win: They’re hosting the lowly Browns, who head to Chicago as 6.5-point underdogs.

The Browns, of course, are a bad team to bet on as well. They’re the worst team in the NFL at 0-14, but they’re also the worst team in the NFL against the spread, at 3-11.

So something has to give on Sunday. Either the Browns will get their first win of the season and just their fourth win against the spread, or the Bears will finally win when they’re supposed to win.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 20, 2017, 08:35:12 am
OL just moved up in the draft priority list:

Bears guard Kyle Long dealt with a variety of injuries during the 2017 season and he went in for surgery on one of them this week.

Long shared pictures of himself in a hospital bed with a neck brace on to announce that he had neck surgery. Long explained that lingering problems with his left shoulder caused issues with other parts of his body and led to the decision to have an operation on his neck.

Long tore the labrum in his shoulder, but chose not to have surgery last offseason. He did have ankle surgery, which kept him off the field until training camp and led to Long losing a lot of weight before he could resume working. In addition to those troubles, Long also hurt his hand this season before going on injured reserve.

Surgery may be part of the treatment plan on some of those fronts as well. Long captioned a video on Instagram with “1/3 done” in apparent reference to what else is in store as he tries to get healthy for the 2018 season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on December 20, 2017, 09:50:26 am
We can rebuild him... better, stronger, faster
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 20, 2017, 10:35:38 am
If the Bears are going to win as a favorite for the first time under head coach John Fox, they’ll do it without the help of linebacker Pernell McPhee.

The Bears placed McPhee on injured reserve on Wednesday, ending his third season with the team with a couple of games left on the schedule. McPhee left last Saturday’s loss to the Lions with a shoulder injury.

McPhee played 13 games and started five times for Chicago this season and ends his year with 21 tackles, four sacks and a forced fumble. He’s signed for next season with a salary of $7.2 million and a cap hit of just over $8 million, but the team would get almost all of it back if they parted ways with a player who has also dealt with knee injuries since coming to Chicago.

The Bears will bring linebacker Jonathan Anderson back to the active roster to replace McPhee. Anderson has appeared in 10 games this season while making several trips to and from the practice squad.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 20, 2017, 07:51:52 pm



 Boogie,


 It's like a stuck CD baby ... THREE POSITIONS over and over again ... INJURED.


 WR


 OL


 LB


 When do we draft 16 game starters and clean up in F.A. with 16 game starters ?


 BTW ... get a kicker.  :D



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 24, 2017, 06:34:04 pm
Minny can't take next weekend off.  They are playing for the bye.  I wish we had a better oline right now, but glad to have a meaningful game to end the season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 25, 2017, 09:26:10 am
Some interesting reading here. Lots to speculate even as far as to the draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 29, 2017, 12:27:06 pm
Potential cuts and cap implications:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/making-the-cuts-bears-easily-can-retool-roster-with-new-players-for-new-coach/amp/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 29, 2017, 06:36:51 pm
Good article.  I believe the Bears will have the most cap of any team this year if they cut some of the dead wood.  Problem is can we attract top talent without overpaying.  Cap does not mean much if you do not use it.

Seems a top Olineman and a top WR would be priority for the young QB.  Drafting young WR is worthless for next season, they just do not typically produce right away.  Couple of young OL's would be good.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 29, 2017, 06:46:11 pm
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4707447/can-mitchell-trubisky-follow-in-footsteps-of-carson-wentz-jared-goff-some-are-optimistic
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 29, 2017, 07:30:27 pm
I know Pace is getting a lot of crap for his free agency work.  But he did have the checkbook out and was making offers to the tops at their positions.  They just thought that New England might be a better place to play.  We were offering the same money, but others money was prettier than ours. 

Ultimately, Pace will be judged by the team he builds, and I am on board that he is on the right path.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 29, 2017, 07:39:56 pm
And some guys last year were looking for superstar money, and Pace didnt want to overpay.  Cant blame the guy for that.  But if you can land a stud, dont be afraid to pay up.  Just make sure he isnt a Pernell McPhee.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 29, 2017, 08:01:59 pm
Agreed.

And I didn't finish my thought.  Mike Glennon was a horrible signing.  The only silver lining is that it may have distracted teams from our interest in Trubisky.

Bears phone ringing off the hook with offers at 3.  Make the trade with the 49ers and the phones go silent.

Pace will now be judged on whether that was the right decision.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 29, 2017, 09:17:00 pm
Potential cuts and cap implications:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/making-the-cuts-bears-easily-can-retool-roster-with-new-players-for-new-coach/amp/
Only guys on that list that I'd keep for sure are Trevathan and Kush.  Massie would be on the fence.  Everyone else Id cut.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 29, 2017, 11:36:03 pm
CB Marcus Cooper  Didn't see enough of him and what I saw wasn't that impressive.

S Quintin Demps  Yeah, Amos looks to be the starter next year.

LB Jerrell Freeman  Unfortunate suspensions - but he is the Bears best inside backer.

QB Mike Glennon  Didn't like the signing from day 1.  I labeled him Ichobod Crain. 

OL Eric Kush  Valuable backup - but nothing more.

RT Bobby Massie  Struggles with speed rushers on turf but he's OK unless you want to spend more or invest a high draft pick

OLB Pernell McPhee  Just too injury prone - helluva player when healthy.

G Josh Sitton  I think he sticks another year

LB Danny Trevathan  Easiest decision - keep him

TE Dion Sims  The invisible TE but I guess he's this great blocker.

WR Markus Wheaton  There's something we don't know about him - Bears totally ignored him since he's been active.

OLB Willie Young  Yeah, he's old but who else you got besides Floyd?   One of my favorite players.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 30, 2017, 08:54:15 am
The Bears cleared Freeman's locker out weeks ago.  He's got concussion and PED issues.  He's gone. 
Houston outperformed Young coming off the street.  If they need a past their prime backup OLB they can resign him. 

Maybe they ask Sitton and McPhee to take a pay cut or get cut.  They are good when healthy, but thats too rare at this point.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 30, 2017, 10:16:43 am
Just say no to McPhee.  Even when he has been healthy this year he isnt really doing squat.  Sitton at least has played well, when he isnt hurt. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 30, 2017, 05:41:57 pm

octagon

You are off in your comparison of Houston vs Young.  Houston is younger - I'll give you that. 

But Young has been more durable and more productive than Houston over the last 4 years:

Young                       Games    tackles sacks
2017   Chicago Bears   4      7   2.0   
2016   Chicago Bears   16      38   7.5   
2015   Chicago Bears   15      30   6.5   
2014   Chicago Bears   15      39   10.0   

Houston                    Games   Tackles sacks
2017   Chicago Bears   4          8   4.0   
2017   Houston Texans   5             7   1.0   
2016   Chicago Bears   2          4   0.0   
2015   Chicago Bears   16          42   8.0   
2014   Chicago Bears   8        11   1.0   

I'd let Sitton finish out his contract next year - he missed 3 games this year - yeah, let's give him a pay cut.  Should we give Long one too?

As for McPhee, a 1 year deal may work, but I'd first like to see who's out there in free agency.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 30, 2017, 06:04:09 pm
McPhee has been all bark and no bite, pretty much since he was Pace's first big FA signing.  He never lived up to the hype he came here with, and this year he was pathetic.  If you think he will become something special next year, more power to you.  I would cut him and his $8 mil salary, and pay/develop some younger guys with potential. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 30, 2017, 10:07:34 pm
The NFL is all about what have you done for me lately.  Im not really concerned about the last 4 years.  Houston was better this year and will cost way less.  I think Houston over Young is the smart choice for next year.  We are talking guys who are backups at best on a good team.  Young makes way too much money to be ineffective and hurt.

Long has a longer contract then Sitton and is younger.  I think he's the better bet to keep then Sitton and replacing two G's is going to be too much.  That being said, I dont want to go into the season next year with two good guards who are injury prone.  Sitton's money can be better used bringing in a younger guy.  Sitton started 13 games this year, but didnt finish 3-4 of them and wasnt any where near as effective this year as he has been in the past.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on December 30, 2017, 11:33:23 pm

Let's just manufacture a young right tackle too...and how about a corner...maybe 2...and we need some young OLBs..lets just get a couple...oh yeah, we need a couple young WRs too...and oh I forgot....a starting guard too.

First of all, I didn't say we should pay McPhee his existing contract.  I said the Bears should see what's out there and if McPhee looks like he can contribute give  him a 1 year deal.

Sitton was a pro bowler last season and he was arguably the highest graded lineman on the Bears this year.  He missed 3 games this season and you want to cut him or ask him to take a pay cut his last year of his contract.  Use resources for other positions that are bigger needs.

As for Young, he's the 2nd best pass rusher on the team.  See what his has in camp and if he's lost it cut him.  Otherwise he plays a position where he doesn't have to play the entire game and still make a big contribution.  Its like you think pass rushers grow on trees.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 31, 2017, 09:16:20 am
No, I just know that veteran players that are constantly banged up rarely recover and return to their previous high level of play.  Hanging on to players past their prime is kind of a bears tradition that I hope Pace is smart enough to get away from.

Sitton started 13 games and left three of them early. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 31, 2017, 05:00:06 pm



 Wow. Three positions of CHICAGO BEARS locked into the same injury prone positions year after year after year.


 A blind man walking with a dildo for a cane could see it.


 (That is to assume the dildo is only 12 inches long)


 Man what the fuuck does it take to snap us out of it for what we need to draft ?


 WR - LB - OL ... In your order of preference. First six picks.


 How many kickers have we had this season ?


 Put me down for one of those too.


 As usual ... 16 game starters or they don't qualify.


 Kevin White doesn't make the grade ... JuJu Smith Shuster does.


 That's what to look for.  :D


 Every day Joe Six Pack starters ... not glamorous ... but always there.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2017, 06:48:28 pm
So far we are picking 8 in the draft.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 01, 2018, 08:20:10 am
Its official Bears launch Fox.  I personally think it was the right move.  Now the hard part, getting the right person to replace him.

Put me down for Shumur or McDaniels.  I agree with however said, do not go with D or ST coach as head coach cause then if you lose your good O coach your screwed.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 01, 2018, 08:43:15 am
Always seemed as if Fox was here just going through the motions. Almost as if he wished he never came here. I'll be surprised if he takes another coaching position..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 01, 2018, 10:14:35 am
Let's just hope last weeks rumor about Ted Phillips exploring coaching candidates is no more than that.

Pace needs to have total control.

https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Bolt/Report-Three-teams-interested-in-Eagles-QB-coach-John-DeFilippo-112971171
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 01, 2018, 11:47:30 am
read that he's looking at the N.O. OC. Bears will become saints north.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 01, 2018, 01:10:58 pm
New Orleans coordinator is Pete Carmichael.  Hub Arkush spoke about this yesterday.  Basically, when Peyton was suspended, he passed over Carmichael twice to appoint different interim head coaches over Carmichael.  If Peyton didn't trust him with the responsibility then, that is a major red flag.

There is talk about Fangio, if he were to bring the Rams OC here who does not have play calling responsibilities in LA.  McVay being 31, I don't think he would block him, given he just received his opportunity.  I could support that move.  Or Shurmur.  I wonder if Fangio would stay to work with Shurmur?  Or Donnatel promote up from DB coach.

Pace will be holding a press conference at 4pm today, I will be listening in!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 01, 2018, 01:22:31 pm
For what, he won't say anything
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 01, 2018, 04:12:43 pm
Pace gets a two year extension so presumably the new coach will get a 4 year contract inline with Pace.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 01, 2018, 04:15:56 pm
I'm in for Fangio staying, but as D coordinator, not head coach..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 01, 2018, 04:17:27 pm
We ended up 10th in total D. Not too shabby..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 01, 2018, 05:59:19 pm
I am with the idea of an offensive minded HC who can call his own plays so Mitch doesn't have to go from one offensive coordinator calling plays to another to another. We had that with Cuttler and finally he had one he meshed with and he left for a HC job.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 01, 2018, 07:32:22 pm
It would totally blow if Fangio went to Green Bay.  I hope Pace was lying when he said they did not request interviews yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 01, 2018, 08:49:20 pm
Now I read where they want to talk to the Philly qb coach.  That would make sense, but all this to me has a familiar ring to it.  Didn't the Bear do
the same thing with Cutler?  Offensive minded blah, blah,blah the defense take the hindmost.  Give it Fangio and hire Michell's college qb coach.
Hire someone, ANYONE that will keep players on the field. Launch Phillips. He really never was a football guy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 02, 2018, 08:50:23 am
Just heard Greg Gabriel talk about how livid Rusty Jones would be about soft tissue injuries and how he blamed it more on nutrition than strength training .  I can understand if the man wants to stay retired.  But if the Bears are willing to flush multi-millions down the toilet with Glennon, Wheaton, etc., it would not hurt to throw half a million or more his way to pick his brain as a part time consultant or at least find out to whom he passed on the knowledge that actually worked over his 30 year career.  I am really sick and tired of expecting almost a dozen starters landing on IR year after year after year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 02, 2018, 09:00:30 am
Need some liver smoothies in the training room

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/texasamaggies/2017/12/30/national-reaction-texas-ams-belk-bowl-loss-john-chavis-experiment-ends-fitting-fashion

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 02, 2018, 02:31:45 pm
So we got this going for us:

The Chicago Bears have signed the following players to Reserve/Futures contracts: 

OL, Travis Averill     

WR, Demarcus Ayers         

WR, Tanner Gentry             

DB, Doran Grant                 

WR, Mekale McKay           

OL, Will Pericak               

TE, Colin Thompson

The contracts mean these players will be on the club's 90-man roster heading into the 2018 season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 02, 2018, 08:40:51 pm
The Bears have requested to interview Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports.
Nagy also will interview with Indianapolis.

Chicago, seeking to replace John Fox after three seasons, also has interviews with Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.
Nagy, a former Arena League quarterback, took over as the Chiefs’ play-caller for a Dec. 3 game against the Jets. The 39-year-old is in his fifth season as a Chiefs’ assistant.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 03, 2018, 09:37:03 am
After reading this and watching the two videos, I would have zero problem if this was our next HC.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/john-defilippo-bears-coach-candidate/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 03, 2018, 09:48:51 am
This is kind of way far out but the idea excites me:

https://beargoggleson.com/2018/01/02/sean-payton-sleeper-chicago-bears-coaching-job/

could it happen? With Pace you dont know. Isnt Payton from the Chicago area?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 03, 2018, 10:11:53 am

I stopped reading after " He was a big fan of Mitchell Trubisky in last year’s draft. And the Bears (if they cut Mike Glennon) have the cap space to potentially bring Drew Brees to Chicago."
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 03, 2018, 10:21:32 am
Nagy, Flip, McD, Shurmur

I am fine with any of them
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 03, 2018, 10:23:37 am
Typical click bait.  I actually saw an "article" on Bearswire USA today titled "Could John Fox be the next head coach of the New York Giants?"
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 03, 2018, 11:04:52 am
this article is about health of our wounded:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-injuries-leonard-floyd-20180103-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2018, 01:20:50 am
ESPN ranks coaches for hire:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21947511/nfl-head-coaching-candidates-hire-45-espn-analysts-rank-their-choices-jim-harbaugh-leads-way
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2018, 02:21:42 am
...headline from Trib:

Glennon signing a big miscalculation, but GM downplays it: 'We all felt confident in Mike'.

This is the braintrust responsible for building this team. Who in their right friggin' mind felt 'confident' in Mike Glennon but these clowns??? Glennon should NEVER have been looked at as a answer at QB on this team, period.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 04, 2018, 04:50:51 am
I actually am excited to see who the Bears hire as a coach.  I have said before I have been impressed with Pace.  For a younger GM who basically cut his teeth with the Bears, I like the direction we are headed.  I think him having full control of coaching hire will turn out well.  Of course only time will tell. 

I also feel like we could easily take a big jump next year.  Like many here it seems our biggest problem is the soft injuries.  If we can get our strength and conditioning corrected it would go a long way.  Maybe just a homer fan, but I see our potential in the future.  Here is to hoping that we get top quality coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 04, 2018, 08:02:48 am
...headline from Trib:

Glennon signing a big miscalculation, but GM downplays it: 'We all felt confident in Mike'.

This is the braintrust responsible for building this team. Who in their right friggin' mind felt 'confident' in Mike Glennon but these clowns??? Glennon should NEVER have been looked at as a answer at QB on this team, period.

And Pete Carroll thought Mike Flynn was his franchise QB, so what.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 04, 2018, 08:16:19 am
After watching the video of DeFilipo dissect plays, he really knows and understands his stuff on O.  Plus he seems like a pretty sharp guy.  Until I see more on the others I am pulling for him as my first choice. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 04, 2018, 08:26:11 am
If I remember correctly the Bears were not the only team pursuing Mike Glennon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 04, 2018, 08:42:02 am
I had heard several weeks ago Brian Baldinger on NFLN thinks De Filippo is the smartest guy around and will make a brilliant head coach.

Have to be wary of his lack of experience having never been a coordinator.

But if a guy has leadership qualities (which many excelent coordinators don't have) and the brains he can work out.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 04, 2018, 11:13:22 am

Wasn't De Filippo offensive coordinator for the Browns in 2015?  Before that he was QB coach for Derek Carr at Oakland .  After that QB coach for Wentz.

If he doesn't get a HC gig - he'll be somebody's OC.  Which could mean one and done like Gase in 2019.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 04, 2018, 12:24:00 pm
I would probably put Nagy and Flip as the front runners.  According to Kaplan (https://twitter.com/thekapman/status/948946069001506817) FWIW, Nagy is a big Trubisky fan.

Not sure why Pace wouldn't chat with Patricia while at NE.  I don't think the Bears are McDs type of gig.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 04, 2018, 12:50:08 pm
Flip was the OC of the Browns for 1 year, but dont hold that against him.  I just read a story that says he is very very similar to Sean Payton, which wouldnt be a bad thing. 

https://theloopsports.com/2018/01/04/bears-coaching-candidate-john-defilippo/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2018, 02:11:39 pm
Quote
If I remember correctly the Bears were not the only team pursuing Mike Glennon.

Yeah, but the Browns don't count...  :D ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 04, 2018, 02:36:10 pm
Yeah.  Right.  It was only the Browns touting him.

Must-Know 2017 NFL Free Agents: Mike Glennon, QB

Erik Lambert/FanSided via NFL Mocks
Fansided
Dec 16, 2016 at 1:48p ET

The class of 2017 NFL free agents figures to be an interesting one. What it may lack in overall depth it could make up for in hidden gems.

Topping that list may be a quarterback, believe it or not. Most football fans have chosen to forget the name Mike Glennon. Not surprising since he hasn’t played a meaningful snap of football since 2014. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers made him a 3rd round pick in the 2013 NFL draft. A 6’6″ monstrosity out of North Carolina State with a live arm and decent mobility. He would remind most people of a blonde Joe Flacco.

However, with coaching changes coming to the team his star never really got a chance to rise. He went 5-13 across two seasons as a starter. That overshadows how well he actually played. All told he threw for 4,100 yards, 30 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. Averaged out to a 16-game season that would’ve been 3,644 yards, 26 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. That’s actually pretty good for a quarterback in his first full season of starts. Yet the Bucs never really gave him a chance to grow.

Now he’s finally set to become a free agent. ESPN columnist Field Yates declared Glennon was one of the top names that would be available that could be had at an affordable price.

“The former second-round pick has 18 NFL starts to his name and should find himself in a comfortable situation this offseason. Tampa Bay has its franchise quarterback in Jameis Winston, so the price the Bucs are willing to pay Glennon likely has a ceiling. Meanwhile, the free-agent quarterback class looks weak (especially if, as expected, Kirk Cousins winds up back in Washington), and early evaluation of the 2017 draft class is that the QBs are just OK.”
Glennon is not some sideshow. He has shown he can play well when given proper help around him. He’s shown a capacity for handling NFL defenses, doesn’t shrink in the face of a pass rush and can deliver strikes down the field.


Greg Cosell, long-time analyst didn’t blink three years ago when he declared Glennon the best quarterback in the 2013 draft class. That may not sound like much but his talent and brief snippets of play seem to reflect somebody who may yet have something to offer a team. It will require a legitimate opportunity and adequate coaching.

History shows he often functions best in a run-oriented offense where he can utilize that strong arm in play action with shots down the field. Again, very similar to Flacco in Baltimore. Teams like Cleveland and Chicago features offensive attack built around running the football. So they would at least do themselves a service by exploring this possibility.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2018, 02:41:51 pm
Yahoo and SI teaming up on this one?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/best-fits-vacant-head-coaching-214836312.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2018, 02:45:23 pm
And that played out quite well, didn't it...... ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2018, 02:52:39 pm
Greg Gabriel, former talent evaluator said about Glennon   '......The Bears have struggled mightily with their passing game this year, as Glennon isn’t a quick processor, has a problem keeping plays alive with his feet, has a slow release and can’t get the ball downfield.
When you look at Glennon’s tape with Tampa Bay, you really saw the same tendencies.....'

Sporting News in March.... 'Move over, Brock Osweiler. Mike Glennon is about to get a lot more fool's gold in NFL free agency than you did.
File Glennon as the latest unlikely young veteran poster boy of the league's most quarterback-needy teams. At 6-6, 225, he isn't as big or tall as Osweiler, but he might be a bigger bust for whoever signs him....
Glennon was the Buccaneers' backup to Jameis Winston last season. You'll recall that before Winston's first overall selection in the 2015 draft, Glennon struggled to stay on the field ahead of Josh McCown.'

You can find fools around the league, but the Bears prove time and again to be one of the biggest....



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 04, 2018, 04:29:52 pm



 Gentlemen,


 It's time to shut this forum down and start :


 2018 CHICAGO BEARS

Got a feeling about this year boys !
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 04, 2018, 05:02:57 pm
Greg Gabriel, former talent evaluator said about Glennon   '......The Bears have struggled mightily with their passing game this year, as Glennon isn’t a quick processor, has a problem keeping plays alive with his feet, has a slow release and can’t get the ball downfield.
When you look at Glennon’s tape with Tampa Bay, you really saw the same tendencies.....'

Sporting News in March.... 'Move over, Brock Osweiler. Mike Glennon is about to get a lot more fool's gold in NFL free agency than you did.
File Glennon as the latest unlikely young veteran poster boy of the league's most quarterback-needy teams. At 6-6, 225, he isn't as big or tall as Osweiler, but he might be a bigger bust for whoever signs him....
Glennon was the Buccaneers' backup to Jameis Winston last season. You'll recall that before Winston's first overall selection in the 2015 draft, Glennon struggled to stay on the field ahead of Josh McCown.'

You can find fools around the league, but the Bears prove time and again to be one of the biggest....


So who should we have signed?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 04, 2018, 05:08:19 pm

If your only option is Glennon then you should have kept Cutler...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 04, 2018, 05:13:54 pm
yeah, then Cutler plays just well enough to win 6 games and keep Trubisky on the bench so this year would be a waste.

Better it worked out the way it did.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 04, 2018, 05:25:35 pm



 This is MT's team and you have to build such team around the second pick


 in the first round traded up for in 2017.


 Because if you can't cover MT's ass ... oh goddamn motherfuucker !


 You laid your cherry's in a basket ... you better hope they are sweet tasting cherry's.





Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 04, 2018, 07:11:33 pm
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/04/adrian-amos-named-to-pro-football-focus-2017-all-pro-team/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 04, 2018, 08:42:56 pm

davebear

Maybe that was Pace's plan from the get go when he signed Glennon.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 05, 2018, 04:23:46 am
I said at the time, the signing of Glennon was a definite smokescreen to hide the strong interest in Trubisky.  Had Cleveland taken Trubisky number 1, I wonder if we would have still moved up for Garrett or Watson, or stayed put and see who dropped to us.  Seeing that the 49ers drafted Thomas, it is likely they would have drafted Garrett.

If the Bears weren't sold on Watson, they may have traded down at that point or taken one of the other top defensive players available.  But I think their plan all along was to draft a QB and they had Trubisky rated the highest in the class, as did many teams.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 05, 2018, 07:30:23 am
If your only option is Glennon then you should have kept Cutler...

Agree! I couldn't believe what I was hearing when I heard the Bears gave Glennon a big pay day..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 05, 2018, 07:32:35 am
I do like the Trubisky pick. Only time will tell, but get hm a good coaching staff and some receivers and I think he'll do well..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 05, 2018, 08:56:14 am
Not to defend Glennon, but lets not kid ourselves Dowell Loggains did him zero favors with his poor play calling.  The only reason Trubisky had ANY success is in SPITE of Loggains, not because of him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 05, 2018, 10:36:44 am

Yeah, the Bears play calling was often too conservative and unimaginative but with the merry go round at WR there was no way ANY QB would be productive.  Throw in the loss of their best receiver TE Miller and the injuries in the O-line towards the last quarter of the season and you end up with an offense ranked 30th in the NFL (32nd passing).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 06, 2018, 06:58:41 am
Pick the coach thread, anyone?

For me, I am not interested in Josh McDaniels.  How many jerks out there do we all know, and how many of them changed who they are?  0  Give him a little bit of success and he will become the smartest guy in the room.  No thanks.

I think a Shurmur or Toub might make the DC job still interesting to Fangio.  I am intrigued by Defillipo, but is he the next hot coach that becomes Wannstadt - who by the way is an excellent commentator.  Nagy is interesting, but he just started calling plays so I don't want to get caught up in a 4 game hype guy.

Why does Frank Reich not get more attention right now?  OC for Philly, former back up QB who made the most of an NFL career as a back up.  Patratcia would be an interesting coach, I wonder if he has it?  Wild card would be Mike Vrabel.

I was listening to Kreutz last night, and he was sharing that when Tomlin was in Minnesota, you just knew.  He walked with a presence.  Who is that guy out there now. Patricia?  Defillipo?  Reich?  Vrabel?  Those are probably my top candidates but I could be talked into Shurmur or Toub.

Then again, is Tood Haley the next Sean Payton?  Decisions, decisions...



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 07, 2018, 08:04:24 pm

Have the Bears finally nailed down the safety position:

He was the Bears’ highest-graded player by Pro Football Focus (92.0) and ranked second among all safeties in the NFL in 2017. Amos is a long-term starter and building block for Chicago’s defense.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 08, 2018, 09:16:44 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/01/chicago-bears-coaching-search-narrowed-two-names/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 08, 2018, 09:54:51 am

I doubt Fangio sticks around as DC regardless of who the Bears choose as their new HC.  You know he wants to be a HC and why would he continue on with the Bears if he knows he wasn't their top HC candidate after turning around their defense?

Just like when Marinelli left after Lovie Smith was fired - there is no loyalty to your current organization.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2018, 11:03:58 am
I am not so sure about Fangio. A report I heard was DeFilippo would be interested in keeping Fangio as DC. I do know the Bears denied Cincinnati's request to interview Fangio. So lets see how all this coaching search goes.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: CUBluejays on January 08, 2018, 11:04:16 am
Nagy named HC.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 08, 2018, 11:05:24 am
The Bears are expected to name Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy their new head coach, a league source said Monday.

General manager Ryan Pace interviewed Nagy, 39, on Sunday, a day after the Chiefs’ loss in the wildcard round against the Titans. He replaces John Fox, who was fired a week ago after a 14-34 record in three seasons.

Nagy’s entire NFL coaching career has been spent under Chiefs coach Andy Reid. A record-setting quarterback in college at Delaware, Nagy started as an intern in 2008 for Reid’s Eagles. He followed Reid to the Chiefs, starting off as their quarterbacks coach in 2013 before being promoted to offensive coordinator last season.

After Delaware and before beginning his coaching career, Nagy played six seasons in the Arena Football League, throwing for 374 touchdowns and 18,866 yards. He led the Georgia Force to the Arena Bowl in 2005 and the Columbia Destroyers to the championship in 2007.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2018, 11:11:39 am
Interesting. I see rumors Reid is either out or they are going to change QBs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 08, 2018, 11:18:16 am
That was quick.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 08, 2018, 11:27:56 am

The earlier the better - more opportunities to put together a staff.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 08, 2018, 01:20:19 pm
My thoughts exactly- fast.  Going to also try and keep Fangio. mmmmmm........ Dunno. Hope so.  Didn't the Bear end up with a nearly top 10 d?  Please, though, please,please,please hire someone to keep the players on the field.  It's gotton ridiculous. Read where Reid was very high on Nagy, hope he's right. Very,very right.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 08, 2018, 01:33:08 pm
Is it just me or does Nagy kinda sorta look like Kyle Long a little???
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 08, 2018, 01:34:28 pm
Sorry, not happy about this hiring. A coach that is just happy to be here. WHY can't we get a guy who will win at all cost? This guy is in over his head.

This guy only called the offensive plays the last 4 games. Reid called them before that.

It sounds like they hired a QB coach for Mitch.

Ughhhh this guy does not last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 08, 2018, 01:38:37 pm

This is kind of like evaluating a draft the day after.  No one has the slightest idea how Nagy will turn out but most will have their opinions.

Glad its over - now Pace can focus more on evaluating and acquiring talent.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 08, 2018, 01:58:13 pm
who knows if this is true, but interesting (https://twitter.com/1_ChiefsKingdom/status/950421190903988224)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 08, 2018, 02:10:37 pm
Quote
Sorry, not happy about this hiring. A coach that is just happy to be here. WHY can't we get a guy who will win at all cost? This guy is in over his head.

This guy only called the offensive plays the last 4 games. Reid called them before that.

It sounds like they hired a QB coach for Mitch.

Ughhhh this guy does not last 2 seasons.

Who is to say that his plan is to call the plays?  He may hire an OC to call plays.  We haven't heard what his plans are yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 08, 2018, 02:14:01 pm
Yes...but ANOTHER coach who does not understand.....BEAT GREEN BAY.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 08, 2018, 02:20:22 pm

If that is your basis for hiring a coach then the Bears should have hired Jeff Fisher or Leslie Frazier - aren't they available?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 08, 2018, 02:25:58 pm
I like that Nagy is very pro RPO (without getting your QB killed of course) and shotgun.  That plays to the strength of both Trubisky and Howard.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 08, 2018, 02:45:00 pm
Some background on Nagy:

http://www.chiefs.com/longreads/2017/mattnagy.html#Section7
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2018, 03:31:46 pm
Interesting:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22003971/chicago-bears-name-former-kansas-city-chiefs-offensive-coordinator-matt-nagy-head-coach
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 08, 2018, 04:53:47 pm
You watch, Bears don't get him back, he ends up GB DC.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 08, 2018, 04:58:25 pm
Vic is a FA at midnight tonight. Apparently one of the reasons the hire was quick was to give him a chance to talk to Fangio and get him to stay.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 08, 2018, 06:47:57 pm
If they want Fangio to stay...then come up with the $$$.  You blew 18 million bucks on Mike Glennon.  Now is NOT the time to cheap out.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2018, 06:49:06 pm
I thought Fangio had one more year like Fox did.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2018, 06:53:59 pm
They can offer him Assistant Head Coach and a raise.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 08, 2018, 08:14:33 pm
If you managed to bring back Fangio, and got some of your guys back healthy and figured out how to cut down on injuries and keep them on the field...then you would have an actual direction for the team to go.  With all the injuries and a pretty terrible offense keeping them in the field forever, you still had a near top 10 defense.  Now is not the time to throw the defense to the Mel Tucker’s of the world.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 08, 2018, 11:01:44 pm
Tucker is coaching Georgia defense tonight, lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 09, 2018, 08:24:54 am
Interesting read:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/job-1-for-new-bears-head-coach-matt-nagy-convincing-vic-fangio-to-stay-as-dc/

Will Fangio stay?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2018, 10:00:09 am

I'm sure he will keep interviewing for HC jobs, but once that's dried up he may want to look at the Packers, Lions, Giants, Cardinals and Colts DC openings. 

I wonder how many of those teams are willing to convert to 3-4 - I know the Packers are a 3-4 team - what of the rest?

And if we lose Fangio, will our new DC be a 3-4 guy?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 09, 2018, 10:21:22 am
I think the Bears better lock him up today, to dangerous not to do that


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 09, 2018, 11:41:56 am
They would say they want the best coach but will hire a guy to run the 3-4.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 09, 2018, 03:41:17 pm
I think the Bears offer a great option to remain as DC versus testing waters elsewhere.

You know the players you have.

Chicago is a great city with lots of entertainment and restaurant options, maybe next to NY. 

Chicago has two major airports and Fangio likes to travel to the West Coast often.

He won't have another defensive voice in the room, Fox also having a defensive background.

The head coach in place will be stable, as will the GM.  3 years minimum.  Packers may actually be in transition - McCarthy has two years and just jestioned a respected defensive coordinator, the Colts, Giants, and Cardinals could all be a cluster.  If the Giants sign Belechik, can anyone picture him and Fangio getting along well?  If the Lions bring in Patricia, then Fangio would be going to the same environment working for him as Fox.  But Detroit is a solid defense and running game away from really contending.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2018, 03:48:03 pm

Detroit was actually ranked 27th defensively.  They just looked a lot better than that ranking going against our busted up FA infested offensive lineup.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 09, 2018, 04:53:05 pm
At one time Fangio made it clear he wasn't interested in a head coaching position.. I think the best thing the Bears can do is make a generous offer to retain Fangio's services..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 09, 2018, 06:52:15 pm
Detroit was actually ranked 27th defensively.  They just looked a lot better than that ranking going against our busted up FA infested offensive lineup.
That's what I am saying.  Detroit needs a running game and a more solid defense to contend.  I think they are a good head coach from being dangerous.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2018, 07:12:23 pm

My bad.   The thing is Detroit has some talent on defense which makes Fangio's coaching job more impressive.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2018, 07:16:33 pm

Well, I'm going to say it now - shouldn't be a surprise.

Re-sign Fuller!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 09, 2018, 09:16:33 pm
Question is whats the relationship between Fangio and Fuller? Is it strained or has it been repaired? If the relationship isnt great Fuller might bolt. And is Fangio going to stay? Clearly Fuller seemed to be happy here this year. Its hard for me to figure things out what the real situation is.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 09, 2018, 09:32:45 pm
https://www.profootballrumors.com/chicago-bears-news-rumors

The Bears are now expected to retain defensive coordinator Vic Fangio to serve under new head coach Matt Nagy, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL.com (Twitter link).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 09, 2018, 09:47:16 pm
If that holds up that's great news.  OC? or is Nagy going to call the plays?  Plus the mythical person who can keep everyone healthy enough to play?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 09, 2018, 10:11:19 pm
I see Mike Shula is out as OC. And I wonder who Nagy goes after for his offensive staff since all of Fox's offensive staff is gone. Fangio's defensive staff is still in tact.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 10, 2018, 12:50:20 am
If that is true...great, it’s smart, it makes sense.   Pace didn’t screw around....he got his head coach and now they (spent the $$$ and) are continuing the only good thing of the last three years....maybe they are smartening up.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 10, 2018, 04:56:30 am
Only time will tell
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 10, 2018, 05:09:10 am
Nagy said at the opening press conference that he will be calling plays for offense.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 10, 2018, 05:17:26 am
Yep, Nagy will be calling plays.  Great news on keeping Fangio.

The new offensive coordinator will likely be a person that can be Nagy from 4 years ago.  Maybe a QB coach on the rise. Alright, let's dream here.  Defillipo?
Hold on now.  He is the QB coach in Philly.  He lacks play calling experience, so you let him come in and start putting the offense together with Nagy and by next season start calling plays.  Pay him, give him an avenue to progress.  That is the dream... a few years ago we got Gase and Fangio so not that wild.  It just depends how quickly the other head coach positions get filled and if Deflillipo is one of them.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 10, 2018, 07:27:47 am
Its looking good we keep Fangio:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-talking-to-vic-fangio-about-coordinator-job-will-let-this-play-out/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2018, 08:58:24 am
I think if we cant sign Fuller we have to Tag him.  Not the best option, but we cant let him get away.  AND we need to sign Amukamara, which should be easier.  Plus draft another or get one in FA.  And then pray for good health at the CB spot.  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 10, 2018, 09:06:03 am
Nagy chose Mitch Trubisky over Andrew Luck?

https://beargoggleson.com/2018/01/09/matt-nagy-chose-mitchell-trubisky-andrew-luck/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2018, 09:07:55 am
Sounds like Pace did everything right.  The more I read about Nagy the more excited I am getting. 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chicago_bears_matt_nagy/amp/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2018, 09:09:17 am
If he can pull this off, it would be huge:

“MATT NAGY PURSUING DAVE TOUB AS SPECIAL TEAMS COACH. TALKS ARE ‘HOT’.”
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 10, 2018, 09:11:45 am
Ooooh, I like that. IMHO Toub is the best.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 10, 2018, 09:49:46 am
You have f ucking got to be kidding me. The 46 is getting a stiffy for next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2018, 09:57:09 am
Well you might want to put that rocket back in your pocket, it is just a rumor for now.  But how great would that team of coaches be?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 10, 2018, 10:26:08 am

Unless Toub is no longer under contract with the Chiefs I don't see how Reid let's somebody he calls the best ST coach in the league just go to the Bears in a lateral move.

One site I found had the Bears ranked 23rd in the league in STs.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 10, 2018, 10:48:27 am
Does Toub have a tree of understudy guys yet?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 10, 2018, 12:02:04 pm
And now starts the Bears fans honeymoon with Nagy.

But just as important is filling our holes on our roster with FAs - here's the current list of available FA CBs:

Player                      POS  Age    team       games tackles  sacks QBhit   int

Trumaine Johnson   CB   28   LA   TBD   16   65         1   2   $16,742,400   UFA   -
Prince Amukamara   CB   28   CHI   TBD   14   49               $7,000,000   UFA   -
Brent Grimes           CB   34   TB   TBD   13   49            3   $6,750,000   UFA   -
Johnathan Joseph   CB   33   HOU   TBD   16   47            2   $6,750,000   UFA   -
Morris Claiborne           CB   27   NYJ   TBD   15   43            1   $5,000,000   UFA   -
Justin Bethel           CB   27   ARI   TBD   16   39            1   $5,000,000   UFA   -
DeAngelo Hall           CB   34   WAS   TBD   5   14               $4,250,000   UFA   -
Malcolm Butler           CB   27   NE   TBD   16   60   1   2   2   2   $3,910,000   UFA   Market Value
D.J. Hayden           CB   27   DET   TBD   16   42   1   1         $3,750,000   UFA   -
Terence Newman   CB   39   MIN   TBD   16   35            1   $3,250,000   UFA   -
Davon House           CB   28   GB   TBD   12   44   1   1      1   $2,800,000   UFA   -
Marcus Williams           CB   26   HOU   TBD   15   18            1   $2,746,000   UFA   -
Kyle Fuller                   CB   25   CHI   TBD   16   67            2   $2,421,751   UFA   -
Johnson Bademosi   CB   27   NE   TBD   16   26               $2,250,000   UFA   -
Brice McCain           CB   31   TEN   TBD   16   11               $2,200,000   UFA   -
Marcus Sherels           CB   30   MIN   TBD   16   4               $2,000,000   UFA   -
Tramon Williams   CB   34   ARI   TBD   13   41            2   $2,000,000   UFA   -
Sherrick McManis   CB   30   CHI   TBD   13   12               $1,425,000   UFA   -
Ross Cockrell           CB   26   NYG   TBD   16   50            3   $1,100,000   UFA   -
Shareece Wright   CB   30   BUF   TBD   12   43            1   $1,100,000   UFA   -
Leon Hall                   CB   33   SF   TBD   9   16      1         $1,000,000   UFA   -
Tramaine Brock           CB   29   MIN   TBD   11   8               $980,000   UFA   -
Alterraun Verner   CB   29   MIA   TBD   15   15         1      $980,000   UFA   -
Byron Maxwell           CB   29   SEA   TBD   9   46         2   1   $900,000   UFA   -
Sterling Moore           CB   27   NO   TBD   6   5         1      $900,000   UFA   -
Nickell Robey-ColemanCB   25   LA   TBD   15   49         1   2   $855,000   UFA   -
Leonard Johnson   CB   27   BUF   TBD   15   53         1      $855,000   UFA   -
Teddy Williams           CB   29   CAR   TBD                     $855,000   UFA   -
Pierre Desir           CB   27   IND   TBD   9   32            1   $790,000   UFA   -
Patrick Robinson   CB   30   PHI   TBD   16   46   1         4   $775,000   UFA   -
Robert McClain           CB   29   TB   TBD   14   49            3   $775,000   UFA   -
Blidi Wreh-Wilson   CB   28   ATL   TBD   8   4               $775,000   UFA   -
Asa Jackson           CB   28   SF   TBD   4                  $775,000   UFA   -
Brandon Boykin           CB   27   BAL   TBD                     $775,000   UFA   -
Darryl Morris           CB   27   NYG   TBD   5   11               $775,000   UFA   -
Leon McFadden           CB   27   ATL   TBD                     $775,000   UFA   -
Rashaan Melvin           CB   28   IND   TBD   10   36            3   $725,000   UFA   -
Phillip Gaines           CB   26   KC   TBD   14   30               $706,028   UFA   -
Bene Benwikere           CB   26   DAL   TBD   12   2               $690,000   UFA   -
Steven Terrell           CB   27   KC   TBD   10   4      1      1   $690,000   UFA   -
Bashaud Breeland   CB   25   WAS   TBD   15   48            1   $676,500   UFA   -
Aaron Colvin           CB   26   JAC   TBD   16   45      1         $668,288   UFA   -
Dontae Johnson           CB   26   SF   TBD   16   77            1   $655,136   UFA   -
Nevin Lawson           CB   26   DET   TBD   15   45      1   1      $630,146   UFA   -
Kenneth Acker           CB   25   KC   TBD   16   21            1   $585,150   UFA   -
E.J. Gaines           CB   25   BUF   TBD   11   59         2   1   $581,918   UFA   -
Travis Carrie           CB   27   OAK   TBD   16   84      1         $571,741   UFA   -
B.W. Webb                   CB   27   CLE   TBD                     -   UFA
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 10, 2018, 12:31:38 pm
Love the rumors (https://twitter.com/AaronLemingNFL/status/951152900083871744), but I will feel much better when I see the official announcement on Vic.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 10, 2018, 01:17:34 pm
Harry Hiestand returns as OL coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2018, 01:26:40 pm
Thats a pretty big score on OL coach...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 10, 2018, 01:57:49 pm
Bears must be throwing dough around like they mean it. Hope they get the best bang for the buck.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 10, 2018, 03:52:13 pm
Hiestand was bad when he was here the last time. And the Oline at ND was horrible this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 10, 2018, 03:58:45 pm

I guess Notre Dame is kind of like the Dallas Cowboys - you either love them or hate them....looks like you are in the latter category.

NEW YORK - The University of Notre Dame's offensive line unit has been named finalists for the 2017 Joe Moore Award, which identifies the most outstanding offensive line unit in college football.

The Irish offensive line has been instrumental in the team's 9-3 record and No. 15 College Football Playoff ranking. Notre Dame ranks third in the Football Bowl Subdivision in rushing yards/carry (6.37), seventh in rushing yards (3,349), seventh in rushing offense (279.1) and 13th in rushing TDs (34). The Irish have rushed for at least 300 yards on seven occasions, at least 400 yards twice and over 500 yards once.

Notre Dame leads the nation in rushing yards (877) and ranks second in rushing TDs () in games against AP top-25 opponents. The Irish also leads the nation in rushing yards (2,253) and rushing TDs (23) in games against FBS teams with a winning record. In fact, the Irish are the only FBS team with at least 2,000 rush yards and at least 20 rushing TDs this season against FBS teams with a winning record.

Notre Dame is the only unit in the country to average over 250.0 rush yards/game with at least seven games against FBS teams with a winning record (and Notre Dame's played nine). The Irish average 250.3 rush yards/game and 5.84 yards/rush in its nine games against FBS teams with a winning record.

Notre Dame ranks in the top three nationally in runs of at least 20 yards (3rd, 39), 30 yards (2nd, 26), 40 yards (2nd, 15), 50 yards (3rd, 11), 60 yards (t-1st, nine) and 70 yards (2nd, four).

The group, led by graduate captain and left tackle Mike McGlinchey and senior captain and left guard Quenton Nelson, has paved the way for junior Josh Adams. The running back ranks seventh in the FBS in rush yards/carry (7.26), 12th in rush yards (1,386) and 16th in rush yards/game (115.5). Adams ranks in the top three nationally in runs of at least 30 yards (3rd, 13), 40 yards (4th, eight), 50 yards (t-2nd, eight), 60 yards (1st, seven) and 70 yards (2nd, four).


Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 10, 2018, 04:16:38 pm
Hiestand was bad when he was here the last time. And the Oline at ND was horrible this year.
It was far from horrible.  They won the Joe Moore award for best OL in college football.  That's pretty much the opposite of horrible. 

As a ND fan I've watched every game that Hiestand coached there. I always felt that Hiestand was good at developing individual talent, but his lines seemed to lack cohesiveness and would struggle against schools with top end talent.  He always had elite OL talent to work with but I always felt they were underperforming the level they should be playing when you see how many guys he graduated to the NFL.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 10, 2018, 07:00:21 pm
in 2009, I was in Boston on a business trip and the callers were ripping the Patriots, Belechik, and the Patriots in general.  In Boston.

My point?  As fans of a given team, we always want to see perfection.  When our teams don't meet that standard we don't think they are as good as the outside world thinks they are...

If ND won the Joe Moore award, then they were pretty damn good
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 10, 2018, 07:18:24 pm
Kreutz said that Hiestand was the best position coach he ever had. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2018, 07:22:24 pm



 Sign what F.A. players we want ...


 but draft what players we need.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 10, 2018, 10:30:44 pm
Only FAs that can play all 16 games without injury ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2018, 11:44:44 pm



 
Only FAs that can play all 16 games without injury ::)


 Exactly.


 Otherwise the TEAM is pissing up the same fuucking rope,


 it has been pissing up since 1985.


 Which has led us to where over the course of that many years since 1985 ?


 No - fuucking - where. Look it up.


 I hate being a BEARS fan and so do you ...


 because of the time of our last SuperBowl win ...


 we had kids and our kids had kids.


 Yep. It's been that fuucking long.


 We deserve better as fans.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 11, 2018, 07:05:06 am
Any FA we sign must sit on the bench behind a draft pick.  Why spend money on other peoples busted up veteran free agents.  There is a reason they are no ton their old teams and that is because they didn't wan them.  Why would we want their trash?

Just say to to busted up veteran free agents.  Or sign them for minimum and let them ride the bench.

And they can just cut that piece of crap wannabe RB Tarik Cohen.  And while I am at it Jordan Howard needs to put on about 5 pounds or his ass can go too.

/bearlybot impersonation over.  :)

His minimum measurement for RBs was 230 lb right?  Howard is only 225.  :)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 11, 2018, 09:20:44 am
Mark Helfrich has made his choice. The #Bears are finalizing a deal to make him their new OC, I’m told. Matt Nagy continues to mix West Coast with spread, as Andy Reid has done.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 11, 2018, 09:57:10 am
They did bring back one of Toub's guys

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-special-teams-chris-tabor-20180110-story.html

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 11, 2018, 11:31:07 am
Wish Fangio would sign already and this would be a great week.  My hunch is he is playing it to get as much cash as he can.  Going to reset the bar for highest paid DC
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 11, 2018, 11:42:40 am

Not sure what the hold up is.  There are still a few HC jobs open - but I don't think he's on their list of candidates.  Maybe he's waiting for those jobs to fill and open up more options for a DC gig with another team?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 08:17:38 am
Reason to be excited:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/three-ways-new-offensive-coordinator-mark-helfrich-can-shape-bears-attack/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 12, 2018, 08:47:18 am
I read somewhere that Fangio is trying to squeeze the Bears for a little extra coin.  Cant blame the guy for that.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 09:03:28 am
Depends on how little but he definitely deserves a raise, no question
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2018, 09:41:58 am

The Cowboys Brice Butler is a 27 year old FA and wants assurances that he will start next year or he will not re-sign with the team.  Might be a nice addition to the Bears competing for a spot opposite Cameron Meridith.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 11:00:55 am
Starting has to be earned, not given.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2018, 11:53:56 am

His point is that sometimes salary dictates playing time...and he may be right.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 12:00:00 pm
Still if you have a high salary based on production you have to continue that or you are dumped. Its why they give out one year contracts. There are two sides to the coin.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2018, 12:07:07 pm
In Butler's situation you have player(s)  that have earned their deals but are not quite performing up to that deal currently.

And you can't hand out 1 year deals to the players that you want to be part of your nucleus.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 12:20:16 pm
Old saying goes, "what have you done for me lately." And its true. The problem of giving large long term contracts to players comes back to bite you in the butt. I am not privy to the Butler situation. I dont know if its targets or not getting open or dropped balls. But if a player is complaining about not getting paid there is likely a reason for it
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2018, 12:33:13 pm

Butler will get paid but he wants to go somewhere where they don't have 2 established highly paid veterans ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 12:35:02 pm
Haha, sounds like Chicago. Wheaton and White?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 12, 2018, 01:24:15 pm
Per Biggs, Fangio is on board.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 12, 2018, 01:53:47 pm
For the next 3 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2018, 02:24:15 pm

OK Pace all the cooks are on board - time to go shopping for some groceries!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2018, 02:34:28 pm
For the next 3 years.

Super. Go Bears
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 12, 2018, 03:56:55 pm
Go Bears.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 12, 2018, 04:28:40 pm
Great!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 12, 2018, 07:17:23 pm
What Can Bears Fans Expect From Matt Nagy’s Offense? (https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/1/12/16878028/what-can-bears-fans-expect-from-matt-nagys-offense-trubisky-nagy-cohen-howard-shaheen)
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 12, 2018, 08:40:38 pm
Its official:

The Bears re-signed Vic Fangio as defensive coordinator, the team announced Friday. He received a three-year deal, according to ESPN.

Fangio, considered one of the league’s best coordinators, would have found other offers on the open market. But new head coach Matt Nagy found a way to convince Fangio to stay, the first big get of his tenure.

Fangio has spent the past three seasons as the Bears defensive coordinator. After inheriting a unit that ranked 30th in total defense in 2013 and 2014, the Bears finished 14th, 15th and 10th in 2015, 2016 and 2017 respectively.

Fangio arrived in Chicago from San Francisco, where he spent four seasons as the 49ers defensive coordinator.

The Bears also announced they hired Mike Furrey as wide receivers coach.

Furrey, who played in the NFL for eight seasons, recently completed his second season as the head football coach at Limestone College in Gaffney, S.C.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 12, 2018, 09:05:52 pm
Fantastic article with video:

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/1/12/16878028/what-can-bears-fans-expect-from-matt-nagys-offense-trubisky-nagy-cohen-howard-shaheen
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 12, 2018, 10:50:39 pm
It's amazing how long it takes to turn a team around that was run into the ground with repeated poor draft choices. Still need talent and the thought is get as many picks as possible to hurry this process along. Angelo and Emery really did a number on this team and it's still recovering from it....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2018, 08:21:16 am
Cautiously optimistic at this point the direction the Bears are going.

IMHO Fox should've been fired before last year but maybe it worked out better as far as getting a better HC. And there is defensive continuity. Kind of a Lose (as in games and NFL relevance)-Win-Win situation :)

Its quite a brew of coaches in Halas Hall now. Here's hoping it ends with the taste of a Superbowl or two....

Go Bears !
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 13, 2018, 11:52:03 am
We'll see how Nagy does as head coach. Coordinator for only two years, called the plays for only 6 games. Big step... Fangio was a great move. I see the D only getting better. At least Nagy has experience working with QB's and developing them. I hated seeing Fox and company fukking Trubisky up.. Fangio must think the Nagy choice is a good one or he would've hit the road..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 13, 2018, 02:56:54 pm

The draft failures of Angelo, Emery and Pace's first year killed this team not so much the coaching.

Still too many holes on the roster - can Pace fill them all this offseason?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2018, 03:12:22 pm
You don't need to fill all the holes, just enough of them to turn the corner.

All teams have holes.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2018, 06:13:56 pm



 Now that everything is in place where do we go from here ?


 Do we extinguish the constant pine sitting of BEARS big three of injury's ?


 F.A. and Draft address the :


 WR


 LB


 OL
 
 ?


 As usual we are starting all over again and by now we should be used to it.


 BUT COULD THIS HALAS HALL COMBINATION BE THE ONE ?


 Inquiring BEARS fans want to know.  :D


 It's FUN to start over every couple of years when losing the last couple of years.


 It builds a sense of pent up excitement every few years.


 Imagine if we were Cleveland and it was like :


 Well no matter what we do ... we know where we end up.


 That's not us ... yet.  ;D

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2018, 06:18:05 pm



 BTW ... It's the 2018 CHICAGO BEARS.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 13, 2018, 06:49:20 pm
Yeah no way do I give the coaching a pass on the pisss poor performance of this team the last three years...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 14, 2018, 02:28:53 am
You don't need to fill all the holes, just enough of them to turn the corner.

All teams have holes.


I'm not saying you need all pros at each position.  But I'm talking about real holes.   Like at CB.  You have 3 CBs.  2 of which are FAs.  The 3rd (Marcus Cooper) most likely could be cut.  At OLB, you have Floyd and a 33 year old coming off an injury returning in Willie Young.   That's it.  McPhee probably won't be back.  Acho and Houston are FAs. 

You'll have returning bodies at WR but still a huge talent gap with the other teams in the division.  And you need depth on the OLine and at backup QB where you have nothing.

You think the Vikings and the Packers have roster holes like we do?

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 14, 2018, 02:34:44 am

Yeah no way do I give the coaching a pass on the pisss poor performance of this team the last three years...


No coach gets a pass after 3 dreadful seasons - it's a bottom line league.  But you're kidding yourself if you think a new coaching staff alone is going to turn around the Bears without a significant improvement in talent.  Not to mention the level of injuries they have year after year.

But no way am I going to miss Loggains.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 14, 2018, 01:55:04 pm
You don't need to fill all the holes, just enough of them to turn the corner.

All teams have holes.


I'm not saying you need all pros at each position.  But I'm talking about real holes.   Like at CB.  You have 3 CBs.  2 of which are FAs.  The 3rd (Marcus Cooper) most likely could be cut.  At OLB, you have Floyd and a 33 year old coming off an injury returning in Willie Young.   That's it.  McPhee probably won't be back.  Acho and Houston are FAs. 

You'll have returning bodies at WR but still a huge talent gap with the other teams in the division.  And you need depth on the OLine and at backup QB where you have nothing.

You think the Vikings and the Packers have roster holes like we do?



No, but you asked if Pace can fill them all this off season.  That's a pretty unrealistic expectation.

I sure hope they resign Fuller and Amakuamura.  Both were healthy.    I think aquiring 2 WR's, a pass rusher and a backup corner would go a long way.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2018, 02:17:08 pm
You don't need to fill all the holes, just enough of them to turn the corner.

All teams have holes.


I'm not saying you need all pros at each position.  But I'm talking about real holes.   Like at CB.  You have 3 CBs.  2 of which are FAs.  The 3rd (Marcus Cooper) most likely could be cut.  At OLB, you have Floyd and a 33 year old coming off an injury returning in Willie Young.   That's it.  McPhee probably won't be back.  Acho and Houston are FAs.

You'll have returning bodies at WR but still a huge talent gap with the other teams in the division.  And you need depth on the OLine and at backup QB where you have nothing.

You think the Vikings and the Packers have roster holes like we do?

No, but you asked if Pace can fill them all this off season.  That's a pretty unrealistic expectation.

It is unrealistic, however one rumor I heard was the Bears were going to make a run at Chase Daniels the former Missouri QB, backup to Drew Brees, which excites me
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 14, 2018, 02:22:30 pm
I don't recall Chase Daniels playing.

Heck Matt Barkley is probably a better backup than Glennon.  Or Hoyer.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2018, 02:33:54 pm
Google it:  Chase Daniels at Missouri. Very prolific. I remember him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2018, 02:52:47 pm
More possible FA targets:

https://dawindycity.com/2018/01/11/three-players-chicago-bears-staff-target/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 14, 2018, 09:59:50 pm



 Josh McCown did ok by us.


 Is he on the market from the Jets ?


 If not that ... Glennon or Hoyer ?


 How's Conner Shaw doing ?


 Name a QB in the 2018 Draft worth drafting as a backup.


 Who unfortunately could be a starter before we know what the hell happened.


 If you know the history of CHICAGO BEARS ...we sure in the hell better be prepared.



Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 15, 2018, 10:56:37 am
http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/67798/Bears-name-Kevin-M--Gilbride-their-TEs-coach

His Dad was the guy Buddy Ryan punched on the sideline...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 15, 2018, 11:07:56 am

From the Trib:

Pace’s plan for Trubisky was to have him develop from the sideline as a rookie. Ironically, because of everything Trubisky learned in 12 starts about coverages, protections, disguises, etc., Nagy and Helfrich can teach him their offense at a more advanced level.

No $hit.

Bears made the right decision once it was determined that Glennon was not leading this team to the playoffs.  I cringed every time I heard the media spout off that Trubisky would be best served watching from the sidelines his first season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2018, 01:51:09 pm
I think the biggest fear was to get him hurt or even gun shy and that ddnt happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 15, 2018, 04:22:05 pm
Luckily Trubisky did not take a lot of big hits.  Mostly because he seems to be athletic enough to avoid the big hit.

 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 15, 2018, 04:49:50 pm

His athleticism will decrease somewhat as he ages but his pocket presence should improve.  You saw one of the masters of managing the pocket yesterday playing for New Orleans.

Actually, the line was pretty good last season pass blocking.  Even the statue Glennon didn't take many sacks.  Trubisky's sacks were primarily due to his WRs not getting open and him not realizing that they weren't going to get open. 

I was only really worried about him at the end of the season when he went to Minnesota (on their fast track) with Grasu, Sowell, and Compton in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 15, 2018, 06:41:57 pm
Compton and Sowell played better than I expected.

Compton was a pretty competent guard, although he missed a lot of blitzes and stunts.

If he can improve there who knows.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 16, 2018, 08:44:40 am
First of all I agree with some of this but dont believe the beginning Phrase that the WR draft class is weak or thin. I do however agree that making a strike in FA is important to improve the WR quality:

https://beargoggleson.com/2018/01/16/shopping-time-bears-free-agent-wr-targets/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 16, 2018, 10:56:47 am

Last year 3 WRs went in the top 10.  This year if the Bears don't go WR at 8 - I'd bet no WRs go top 10.  I think there's talent throughout the draft but not at the top of round 1.

Pace typically addresses roster holes with FAs and supplements the roster with the draft.  My guess is we sign at least 2 maybe 3 FA WRs...one or two could be our own (i.e. Inman or Wright).
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 16, 2018, 11:14:13 am
I thought Inman had another year on his contract but I see that he will be a free agent. He shouldn't cost much, I'd bring him back..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 16, 2018, 01:25:39 pm

Wow, I almost agree with everything Briggs says here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-mailbag-matt-nagy-vic-fangio-20180116-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 16, 2018, 06:34:36 pm
Interesting on the Score, I was late turning it on but they were talking about Josh McDaniels and an ex Bear's punter Mitch Berger.  Berger shared that when McDaniel coached him, he was asking him his opinion on things as a veteran player.  He followed that with saying, that after he had a bad game(Berger) McDaniel wouldn't make eye contact with him and acted childish.  He went on to say he was a coach he least like to play for.

I said this earlier, once an asshat, always an asshat.  Growing older and having success under Belechik is not likely to make him more humble and correct his personality, it is likely to make him more confident in being an asshat.  How many of you know someone that was an asshat before, that was promoted and given more power and became less asshatty?

Had we taken McDaniels, it is my opinion we would have had more dysfunction like the Trestman error... era.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2018, 07:05:45 pm
Yeah he will fail as a HC with that demeanor. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 17, 2018, 05:01:12 am
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/16/chicago-bears-make-changes-to-strength-and-conditioning-staff/

Definitely a positive move.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 17, 2018, 08:21:38 am
That is the best news.  Now lets dig up the remains of the late Rusty Jones and sprinkle his ashes over the training room....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 17, 2018, 08:28:13 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/01/bears-want-best-strength-coach-name-hunt/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 17, 2018, 08:47:13 am
Well as I live and breathe.  Loooooooonnnnnnggggggg over due.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 08:55:58 am
A defensive line made up of Ansah, Hicks and Eddie Goldman would give opposing offenses nightmares. Literally.

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/15/bears-2018-free-agency-preview-ziggy-ansah-offers-rare-chance-at-elite-pass-rusher/

Yeah baby, just do it. I bet Detoilet tags him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2018, 12:13:23 pm

Technically, Ansah would be an OLB in our scheme, but his signing with the Bears would be huge.  Might allow the Bears to focus more on offense in the early rounds.

It's extremely difficult to find quality pass rushers in free agency, which is why I'm currently leaning toward drafting one in round 1.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 17, 2018, 12:39:51 pm
I hate dreaming about these free agents, because they are likely to be tagged.  On the off change that Ansah made it to FA, then we have competition for his services.  You need the Lovie Smith, at Julius Pepper's door step approach to sign someone like that.

I would be more about, how do we retain Fuller?  He is under our control, we can tag him.  Start there.  Don't create a hole that is'nt there now.  Allow Sitton to play out his 3rd year.  Who do we have that can take his place that we know we have?  Resign Meredith and Callahan, still under our control.  Allow White to play out his contract.  These are all assets that we control, that we don't compete for.

Now go after the FA's that become available, and that includes Wright/Inman, etc.

I would consider releasing Wheaton, but do we really know what he is at this point?  We know what he did at Pittsburgh was better than here.  He is still young.  Release him in the final cuts, not sure I would release him yet until Nagy has a chance to work with him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 17, 2018, 12:53:21 pm
It goes against all logic, but the more I hear about the ND guard (Nelson), the more I like.

Word is he’s a beast...a franchise player...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on January 17, 2018, 01:10:59 pm
I know the chorus is going to say a OG in the first is a bad idea... but would you say no to Nate Newton in the 1st?

I'm all for drafting Q in the first. if we can drop 3-4 spots and get him all that much better.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 01:14:20 pm
Dropping down and still getting him would be a plus...agreed. I'd say around 15
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on January 17, 2018, 01:20:57 pm
He won't last till 15.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 01:39:42 pm
How about a CB at 15 then? I've heard the the Texas OT to the Bears at #8 too. We'll see what changes the combine brings. I havent made up my mind on any player if we stay at #8
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2018, 01:44:19 pm
Brandon Scherff was drafted 5th in the 2015 draft.  No other guard has been drafted above 28 in the last 3 years.  But in 2014 the Cowboys drafted perennial pro bowler Zack Martin at 16.

Brandon Scherff is the best guard in the NFL, according to Chris Cooley

By Dan Steinberg October 10, 2017

The debate about whether you take a guard with a top-five pick in the NFL draft — even a very good guard like Brandon Scherff — should be over, according to Redskins analyst Chris Cooley. Because Cooley doesn’t think Scherff is a very good guard. He thinks he is the best guard in the NFL.

“Watching this game, and him so far this season with his progression from last year, I don’t care what anybody says about whether you draft a guard with the first 10 picks,” Cooley said in his review of Washington’s Oct. 2 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs during his ESPN 980 program. “You do draft the best guard in the NFL with the first 10 picks, and he is that.”

“Good job, Scot,” eventually joked co-host Kevin Sheehan, referring to ex-general manager Scot McCloughan, who faced some heat over the pick.

“Good job, whoever drafted him,” Cooley said.

It was McCloughan, of course, who took some criticism over the unconventional choice of Scherff in the 2015 draft, when many fans were clamoring for a defensive lineman, and many analysts were insisting that guards should never be selected quite that high. McCloughan has long defended the pick — he recently wrote that it was one of the two best picks he made during his time in Washington — but I’m not sure anyone has ever praised the third-year guard as effusively as Cooley did after the Chiefs game, calling him the best player in that game, on either team.

“Brandon Scherff was incredible,” Cooley said. “He was knocking dudes down throughout this game at a rate that I haven’t seen offensive linemen knock dudes down. Just pancake blocking, KO blocking. . . . He had great vision as a pass blocker, great protection one-on-one when he had to be one-on-one. . . . He’s so good in space when he’s pulling, when he’s moving. He’s so physical. . . . He is gritty. He gets down and dirty. He is technically sound. He’s physical. He’s everything you ask for.”

The folks who re-watch NFL games and pick out noteworthy offensive line plays have also enjoyed Scherff’s play in recent weeks.

But there’s a difference between pulling out highlights and making declarative statements about where a player ranks among his peers. ESPN’s Jon Gruden started the party even before the Chiefs game, saying Scherff “is having an unbelievable season” and that “he made three or four plays against Oakland that are jaw-dropping.” And then Cooley took it to the next level.

“You say whatever you want to say about drafting  a guard; you didn’t just draft a guard, you drafted the best guard in the NFL,” Cooley said. “He’ll be all-pro this year, no question. No question about it. If he’s healthy, he’s all-pro, first-team all-pro. Best guard in the NFL. Best right guard in the league. I’d put him up against anybody, and I would not question it for one second.”

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 02:00:26 pm
Hmmm, OK maybe. I wasnt aware he was drafted that high, but then again it goes to say what I said about not drafting OGs that high. But with Nelson's former position coach in Chicago maybe Pace will get the message and draft him at #8. Time will tell. Its early yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 17, 2018, 02:02:44 pm
Bears aren't great in any one spot, but this draft could push one area that direction. Do they want a great DL? Or OL? or LB crew?? Shore up the secondary? Definitely need wideouts, but spend the draft on that?? Because of this, I believe it's still going to be at least one more draft following this to get back to respectability and have a great area on the team due to the needs they still have. Wideout is going to take some bodies to fill. Personally, seeing the results of the playoffs, and knowing defense wins championships, I think I'd go DL or the absolute best defensive player available first, and then fill out the remaining. Yeah, OL is incredibly important as well, but the Bears have been known for defense.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 02:06:03 pm
Yeah, bring back the Monsters of the Midway.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 17, 2018, 02:10:53 pm
That being said, if Nelson is sitting there at the Bears pick, how do you pass on him? Guess you have a great OL first.....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2018, 02:13:04 pm
Arguments can be made for drafting a WR, CB, guard, OT, or OLB in the first round.  Our past drafts have been so bad we have numerous holes throughout.

Pace will have his eye on his guy and will probably manipulate the #8 pick to get that guy.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 17, 2018, 02:14:37 pm
What Pace needs to do is pony up and get some of the blue chip FAs this year.  We do have some talent, but we cant afford to miss on FAs like we did last year...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 02:32:44 pm
Interesting: I selected one but really wish for 2. I'd love to steal Adams from the Pack.

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/12/a-look-ahead-7-wrs-the-bears-could-target-free-agency/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 17, 2018, 03:05:13 pm
Not quite the one we were hoping for:

The Bears are hiring Shane Toub as an offensive quality control coach, Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports. Toub is the son of Chiefs special teams coordinator Dave Toub.

Shane Toub worked for Lovie Smith as a graduate assistant at the University of Illinois last season.

He began coaching immediately after his playing career ended at Dayton. Toub was the starting center on the 2016 team that finished 9-2. He won the Stan Kurdziel Memorial Trophy as the team’s top lineman.

Toub appeared in 35 games with 23 starts at Dayton.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2018, 03:06:23 pm
boogie

It's not just a matter of ponying up the cash.  The Bears have plenty of cap.  The Bears were seen as such a poor team that FAs took less money to go to other teams (remember Mike Glennon was penciled in as the starter).  With Trubisky and new regime that hopefully changes.

Wshfl

Adams was re-signed to the Pack - they aren't stupid!  But I think 3 of those other guys are possibilities:  Sammy Watkins, Jordan Matthews, and Jarvis Landry.  Not sure what Bryant's status and not familiar with Moncrief.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 17, 2018, 03:25:25 pm
Don't forget Allen Robinson with the Jags.  Tore his ACL in first game of season, but he is being talked in the same breath of those 3... or you trade for Josh Gordon  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 17, 2018, 03:39:47 pm
A sober Josh Gordon? Ok. I really have no idea how good the Bears current players are for the most part because they weren't playing. If they were all healthy how much better would the Bear be than this
last year? I think the Bears from somewhere have to get some very good wide recievers.  Line play when healthy wasn't that bad was it?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 04:05:29 pm
Wshfl

Adams was re-signed to the Pack - they aren't stupid!  But I think 3 of those other guys are possibilities:  Sammy Watkins, Jordan Matthews, and Jarvis Landry.  Not sure what Bryant's status and not familiar with Moncrief.


OK, wasnt aware of the Packers re-signed Adams. Landry is the one thats #1.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2018, 04:17:46 pm

Landry is an interesting receiver.  He's more of a Kendall Wright type - not your big down the field receiver that blows by people.

I think that's probably why the Dolphins aren't showing him the love with a big new deal that he thinks he deserves.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2018, 08:40:14 pm
We need that down the field receiver to open up the offense so the slot receiver gets open
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 17, 2018, 08:59:51 pm
Agree.  A Willie Gault burner.  But then again, so does everyone else in the NFL.  Few and far between my guess.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 17, 2018, 09:46:29 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/reports-bears-interested-todd-downing-051920596.html
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2018, 08:15:16 am
Agree.  A Willie Gault burner.  But then again, so does everyone else in the NFL.  Few and far between my guess.

Thats what White was supposed to be but isnt, which is why the Bears need to cut bait on him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 18, 2018, 11:11:58 am

White will have one more year to stay healthy as he's still under contract thru 2018 (Bears did not exercise option for 2019).   Given the Bears sorry state at WR White there really is little cost in retaining him with the hope that maybe he can stay healthy for a season.

If there is something good about his last injury its that it wasn't with his lower body.

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2018, 04:09:21 pm
Well he wasnt productive even when he was healthy. He couldnt get separarion which is the same as worthless, but as a concession to Dallas I would suggest in bringing him to camp and see if he is more productive. If not cut him since cutting him wont be a cap problem. No sense in giving him a roster spot to rot on the bench.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 18, 2018, 04:48:09 pm

Two season ending leg injuries will probably effect your ability to gain separation.  He may have lost a step permanently...who knows?  Since he separated his shoulder he'll have had more time to recover from the leg injuries.

Cost to play poker is low right now with him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 18, 2018, 05:39:46 pm
http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Playbook-Matt-Nagys-offense/085d7fd8-a82a-4906-a693-04816470e7ad
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2018, 05:46:36 am
Cutting White before next season has no bearing on our cap.  I have read that this year is fully guaranteed regardless if he is on the roster or not.  What do we have to gain by releasing him then?  I say you keep him regardless and stay hopeful that this string of bad luck ends and he turns in a "Fuller" season...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 19, 2018, 07:44:26 am
You cut White because, after all, he hasn't shown much in the 4 or 5 games he's played.

Most first round wide receivers are dominant by game one, wait and I'll think of one.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2018, 08:08:12 am
If the new OC and receiver coach cant get him to have any separation its cut time. You cant waste a roster spot. Sorry. Those are special.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2018, 08:55:10 am
So you would release him, pay him through the season because it is guaranteed, and then give his roster spot to some other unproven player?  He had consensus top 10 talent coming out of college, he wasn't a reach.  He may never reach his potential, but we haven't seen him on the field long enough to know.  None of his injuries are total rebuild injuries.

I would rather take the risk that he can develop since we are paying him anyway. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2018, 09:43:05 am
So you would release him, pay him through the season because it is guaranteed, and then give his roster spot to some other unproven player?

So you are saying White has proven something?  White hasnt proven anything except he gets hurt a lot. Furthermore, roster spots are all about needs and we juggle the roster constantly during the season. So why give White a guaranteed roster spot when he cant play? Not in my world. If he cant get separation he is either he is cut or put on the practice squad.  You have to be able to help the team to get a roster spot and if you cant get separation you cant help the team.

We cut Reuban Randle last year although  his contract wasnt guaranteed. They felt he couldnt help the team. Thats the determining factor.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2018, 11:29:16 am
White is the epitome of a disastrous first round pick. There may be a cap hit but I doubt the last year is guaranteed. Even if it is, he has shown little to nothing when he has been on the field. Bring him into camp and see what he's got. My bet is he doesn't see the first game of the NFL season in a Bears uniform. We need receiver help desperately. That doesn't mean we should act desperately for receiver help...

Speaking of which, anyone notice how Alshon made it through the season with no injuries..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 19, 2018, 12:40:10 pm

No one is saying that the Bears hand White a roster spot.  We're saying that he shouldn't be cut UNTIL they see what he can do.  And for the record he played in 4 games in 2016 coming off an injury in 2015 and 1 game in 2017 coming off another injury the previous season.  As stated before next season he'll be coming off a shoulder injury so his legs should be good to go. 

So maybe we'll see a Kevin White in 2018 that we've never seen before.  So let's not be too quick in saying the guy has no ability to separate.

As for Reuben Randle...he was IRd.   Cruz was the guy cut after the preseason.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 19, 2018, 12:47:57 pm

Alshon Jeffery played 16 games in 2013 and 2014.  2015 he had some injuries and played in only 9 games (still had over 800 yards).  And in 2016 he played 12 games - the 4 he missed were due to the drug suspension.

This year 16 games with the Eagles.   2nd on the team in yards (789)  and first in TDs (9).

But the Bears couldn't give him during 2016 and wondered why he walked away when the Bears announced Mike Glennon was their QB.   Took the Eagles less than ONE season to figure out he has talent and gave him a new deal. 
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2018, 02:21:31 pm
No one is saying that the Bears hand White a roster spot.  We're saying that he shouldn't be cut UNTIL they see what he can do.  And for the record he played in 4 games in 2016 coming off an injury in 2015 and 1 game in 2017 coming off another injury the previous season.  As stated before next season he'll be coming off a shoulder injury so his legs should be good to go. 

So maybe we'll see a Kevin White in 2018 that we've never seen before.  So let's not be too quick in saying the guy has no ability to separate.

As for Reuben Randle...he was IRd.   Cruz was the guy cut after the preseason.

Well if thats the point it wasnt very well stated and what I replied to. Earlier I replied and said they should bring him to camp. But just because he has a guaranteed contract you dont hand him a roster spot. Roster spots have to be earned. Just look at all the millions they have wasted on that guy. White is a millionaire.

Yeah I know its not my money that was spent
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 19, 2018, 02:37:20 pm

Yeah, he's also a human being...not a robot.  You think he wanted to get injured and not play?

I remember you wanting to cut Fuller early last year too...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2018, 02:40:48 pm
And the press was saying all along that was possible for Fuller but it didnt happen. That doesnt mean this year you will be right about White making the team


And this is what I said above too:

If the new OC and receiver coach cant get him to have any separation its cut time. You cant waste a roster spot. Sorry. Those are special.

Whats wrong with that?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 19, 2018, 03:41:46 pm

I don't know that he will make the team this year....HOWEVER..

in 2016 when he played all of 4 games...he had 19 receptions.  That's almost 5 a game!   Pretty good for a guy who can't get ANY separation.

I think once White gets his legs back...and no guarantees there, but he's still kind of raw in learning how to be an NFL receiver.  I don't think his 2 years at W. Virginia prepared him that well with the kind of routes he needs to run in the pros. 

Let's just see what happens...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2018, 04:33:13 pm
And how many yards ? not many. That shows the separation.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 19, 2018, 04:48:00 pm
It seemed like the balls he caught were mostly WR screens.  He didn’t flash much of anything when he was out there.  He looked slog-footed, like he was running in mud.  Played S-L-O-W. He never flashed first round NFL talent at any time, not even for an instant. Now I’m all for the guy coming back one last time.  It doesn’t cost anything.  It’s possible for him to come back and contribute, but highly unlikely based on the past.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 19, 2018, 06:57:07 pm
Speed..... I am speed.  The Bears need the lighting Mcqueen of the NFL.  # 95, Cachow!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 20, 2018, 06:17:40 am
White was regarded a top 10 pick when he was drafted, his selection was not a reach.  By all accounts, he is loved in the locker room - so not a cancer.  I will put up a 6 pack, that he makes the team.  Pace drafted him, he was drafted on his college potential to be a top receiver, and has been injured, ridiculously, since he signed.  Separation isn't only about speed.  Oh, it helps, but it is also knowing how to run the routes and confidence.  Confidence in your scheme, your responsibility, etc.  I do not believe he has a lot of confidence right now, and that needs to be built up.

White has played in the Dowell Loggains/John Fox system.  I sure would like to see what he can do under a more creative system before I toss him to the curve.  And the last point, truly, none of his injuries have been to a joint.  All fractures.  Is that just poor luck, training and diet, what?
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2018, 07:13:42 am
Brownie was fragile, got hurt a lot but at least he made plays when he was on the field and was a incredible impact player. White has been anything but....he has a ton to prove....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2018, 07:19:52 am
Separation isnt about scheme its about quickness and route running. I dont give 10 dry farts about his talent level when he was drafted. I care about production. And White hasnt been productive......period. If he isnt productive we need and deserve better. And we arent going to get better hanging onto players who cant play at this level. Speed kills and it seems White has lost a step or two. Its a shame he was injured but thats the nature of the game. Next man up.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 20, 2018, 10:00:41 am
What I remember about White was he was blazing fast, like 4.3 something, but his route running wasnt as polished as Amari Cooper.  Now he has problems with speed,  maybe, and his route running still isnt sharp, cause he hasnt been doing it.  Im not saying we should not give the kid a chance, but he kind of has the odds stacked against him.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 20, 2018, 12:33:06 pm

What exactly are we arguing about?  That White has been injured alot?  That he hasn't lived up to his 1st round draft status?  That there is a good chance he might never be a quality 1 or 2 WR in the NFL?

No disagreement there.

That he should be cut now before giving him another shot at proving himself in the upcoming camps?

Yeah, big disagreement there.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 20, 2018, 01:49:34 pm



 When do we wipe the slate clean and start over at a specific position?


 We need LB's ... but we have enough when healthy to fill holes.


 Same with OL up to a point.


 But WR?


 We are in a class by ourselves having too little of any importance.


 Due to injury's or incompetence.


 RESULT :


 Any sane team knows to stack the box on Howard & Company.


 We have a crew of TE's that barely keep us in a game.


 Because once again the box is stacked.


 Opposing H.C's eyeball us and derive the obvious ... BEARS don't have any WR's.


 A blind man could see it without his cane.


 We have MT who can toss the rock ...


 but we don't have MT because he has nobody to toss the rock to.


 We'll be back at this channel same time next year ...


 wondering why MT sucks ... because we didn't get him anything to toss to.  >:(


 Imagine a core of WR Corp ... just for MT to toss to ...


 fresh out of the draft ... growing up with MT ... 16 game starters.


 Unstack the box because MT has somebody to toss to ...


 Howard & Co. go apeshit.


 How could we be stopped ?


 BTW : IT IS THE 2018 CHICAGO BEARS.

GO FOR IT !!

Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2018, 04:53:54 pm
That he should be cut now before giving him another shot at proving himself in the upcoming camps?

Nobody is arguing here. The only thing I am saying is that if he hasnt improved over what he has shown to date he isnt worth wasting a roster spot. We need better players than what he has shown in the past. If he isnt among the the best receivers we are going to carry then he doesnt deserve a roster spot. Its that simple. We need better production at WR.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on January 20, 2018, 06:46:20 pm
Hopefully he has recovered and the new strength and conditioning team can keep these guys on the field!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 21, 2018, 06:48:54 am
It's past time to get the roar back into this team. Jan 29th they are playing a documentary about the 85 Bears at the theatres and am going. I miss the intensity and talent on especially the defense. It's gotten better but not where it needs to be. Teams like the Jags who have been exceptional in the draft are building smart. Bears need to build from the draft as well. This draft needs to hit big...
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 21, 2018, 03:12:49 pm
Didn't hurt that Coughlin came on board.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 22, 2018, 05:13:53 am
Similar to the Rams, a lot of losing happened to the Jaguars prior to this season.  6 double digit loss seasons in a row, and 7 out of the last 9 seasons prior to this one.

Rams 13 seasons in a row without a winning record prior to this one.  Not as double digit bad, but almost more ugly.

By comparison, Bears have strung together 5 seasons without a winning record and were fairly relevant from 2005 - 10.  We may need to suck a little longer...
Patriots, Steelers, and Packers all have one thing in common, solving the QB position to keep them relevant season after season.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 22, 2018, 09:53:47 am

It's all about the QB.   

But sometimes a top defense helps compensate.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 22, 2018, 10:16:46 am
See Trent Dilfer
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2018, 11:11:46 am
Dilfer was definitely the exception rather than the norm. You have to have a stellar defense for that to work.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 22, 2018, 11:14:39 am
Jacksonville was a great example of that having a strong defense and Fournette.   They just needed Bortles to play average.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2018, 11:21:47 am
Some people classify McMahon in the same class as Dilfer due to the defense we had in 85.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 22, 2018, 01:37:09 pm
The difference with the 85 Bears was that the team was lifted whenever McMahon played.  You could see the difference whenever he was hurt, which was far too often.  To have McMahon as your measuring stick of QB play, says all you need to know about the Bears QB position in my lifetime.  McMahon was a spark.

Now that said, the 85 Bears during their Superbowl playoff run, could have won with Moses Moreno at QB. albeit, McMahon made the plays that won the Giants game.  He didn't really need to play after that, though had several good throws in the Superbowl.  The Rams were awful, we rolled them.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 22, 2018, 01:53:48 pm

McMahon made the pro bowl in '85.

Any Bears QB in the pro bowl since him?   I don't think so.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 22, 2018, 03:03:40 pm
Jim's backup at byu? the guy who couldn't beat him out of the starting lineup?  Steve Young.  Even having THE last name if you're a Mormon could't get him the job. Jim was better.  And not a Mormon by any stretch. Young got his own sb trophy btw.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 22, 2018, 04:57:45 pm
McMahon's biggest problem was staying healthy..
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2018, 09:43:11 am
For Dallas, and I hope for the Bears sake that White's brother is right:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/kevin-whites-brother-defends-bears-wr-when-he-turns-it-around-youll-see/
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 24, 2018, 11:01:54 am
What someone would expect a brother to say. We'll see. He's pretty fragile and I would not put a ounce of stock in him as far as counting on him. They need better options at wideout....
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2018, 11:15:57 am

He could say nothing.  The point is Kevin White is working hard to get back.  Not just sitting back collecting a pay check.

Can't say that I can recall any drafted Bear having the injury problems of Kevin White - nobody close in the first round.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2018, 03:21:05 pm
What someone would expect a brother to say. We'll see. He's pretty fragile and I would not put a ounce of stock in him as far as counting on him. They need better options at wideout....

They do need better options. Absolutely. But it sure would be helpful if you really love the Bears to have him back and productive. This team needs some breaks (no pun) for a change.
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2018, 03:32:23 pm

The only guy I think of that can compare to Kevin White's injury situation was the Lions' 2003 draft choice Charles Rogers.  He kept breaking his shoulder then became a pot head.  Played 3 years in the NFL.

And the Lions kept drafting WRs in the first round after that.  Remember Roy Williams (ex-Bear) and Mike Williams in 2004 and 2005.  The finally got it right in 2007 drafting Megatron.  So that's 4 WRs in 5 years!
Title: Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2018, 04:05:05 pm



 If you wanna know how fuuckin far out of date we are ... it's 2018.


 BEARS fans don't even know what fuuckin year it is !


 Christ it's no wonder we are where the fuuck we are at !