Post by: Dave23 on January 24, 2018, 04:12:10 pm
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2018, 04:20:43 pm
To shut jj up...
Thanx Hepcat !
BEARSE now soar into the future !!!
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2018, 04:42:37 pm
Doesn't being up to date feel better already ?
Now let's get started !
What's out there in F.A. ?
We got money ... where do we play it at ?
The Combine ... where do we make our mind up about what ?
NFL is lucid ... if two bangalore WR's come our way while two LB's come our way ...
what is needed more to advance the TEAM ?
Isn't it about points scored ?
Speaking of which ... OL is needed to get points scored also ...
it can drive us all crazy being CHICAGO BEARS fans.
That's why we're here. :D
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2018, 05:31:56 pm
Bangalore WRs? What's their 40 time?
Post by: wmljohn on January 25, 2018, 06:04:30 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 25, 2018, 07:37:42 am
Optimistic: The new HC and coaching staff brings new blood and new energy to the building.
Pessimistic: Nagy has only called plays for 6 games in the NFL. And he took credit for not running in the second half of the WC game when they had a considerable lead.
Optimistic: The training staff is in the process of being overhauled. As there have been too many seemingly preventable soft tissue injuries the last 3 years to conclude it is just bad luck.
Pessimistic: Three years is not enough of a good enough statistical sample size. The injuries could continue the same, get better, or get worse. Changing the staff may even increase it for the 1st year as the new procedures/techniques are applied.
Optimistic: It seems that the offense is being emphasized (as the D is going to stay the same) and with a better offense, the Bears would have won more games with what they put on the field in 2017.
Pessimistic: We have no idea how (or when) the offense will mesh properly (if at all). We may go through a 5-6 game losing streak right out of the gate until things begin to "click".
Optimist: The D will be back better than ever !
Pessimist: They still have no true proven edge rusher that scares the pants off any O or any single player the Offense must key on in order to be successful. As such the D will have good games.... and bad games. When the D broke down this last year it was failure of execution as much as scheme.
Optimist: It appears that finally there is a coaching staff in place that seems to have positioned itself to grow the young talent (indeed, the staff and the talent can grow together as they have a few seasons to mesh).
Pessimist: Talent can only grow if there is some to begin with. With Pace buying the groceries the staff will have no real idea of what they are going to get (especially in FA). For every Hicks acquired, a sub-talent hacks have been paid for (Glennon is a good example) and the remainder are also-rans.
Optimistic: The Bears will make the playoffs next year !
Pessimistic: The Bears are a 4-6 win team at best next year.
I am more of an optimist than a pessimist about the Bears chances for the next few seasons, but having seen a playoff irrelevant team for over half a decade it is a cautious optimism. My pessimistic side comes from discussions with others more than my own conviction.
Here's to a winning Bears' Dynasty ! After all living depressed is not living at all.... :)
Post by: boogie on January 26, 2018, 01:17:31 pm
BY JACK SOBLE ON JANUARY 25, 2018 • ( 9 COMMENTS )
It’s that time of year again. The Chicago Bears recently completed another disappointing season and hope to make dramatic improvements from their 5-11 record in 2017.
Before the Bears can start to acquire talent from around the league, they must first choose what to do with a good portion of their 2017 roster, thanks to a good number of expiring contracts and an unprecedentedly awful free agent class from last March. It was so pitiful that quite literally every single player who was signed at the start of the 2017 league year will be listed in this article.
Luckily, all of those signings were on team-friendly deals that the Bears can and will easily get out of. So without further ado, here are the players I believe the Bears should cut, keep, re-sign, and let walk (all numbers according to spotrac.com).
Note: the Possible Cut section only includes players with significant paychecks. Players like Hroniss Grasu, who should be cut but are paid very little, are omitted.
Possible Cuts
Mike Glennon (QB), 2018 Cap Hit: $16 million, Dead Money: $4.5 million
There are a few very easy decisions on this list, but this one tops the rest. General Manager Ryan Pace grossly miscalculated Mike Glennon‘s ability to play the most important position in sports, as well as his leadership skills, evidenced by when he threw wide receiver Josh Bellamy under the bus for an interception against Tampa Bay.
No type of fan was more infuriating last offseason than the “Why would they draft Trubisky if they signed Mike Glennon to a three-year contract?” people, and they are about to see how Glennon’s deal was really only for one year.
Verdict: Cut
Josh Sitton (G), Cap Hit: $8.6 Million, Dead Money: $666,668
Sitton is one of the more difficult decisions that general manager Ryan Pace will have to make. He’s a proven veteran and four-time Pro Bowler, who is one of the more essential leaders in the locker room and on the offensive line.
However, Sitton is on the wrong side of 30, has injury concerns, and would save the Bears eight million if they choose to release him. There were also a few rumors going around that the Bears were shopping Sitton at the trade deadline. Right now I think he’s too valuable of a player to let go for nothing and I don’t think teams will be getting in line to give up a draft pick for an aging guard in the last year of his contract.
He should stay, but the Bears should invest heavily in-depth behind him.
Verdict: Keep
Pernell McPhee (OLB), Cap Hit: $8.1 Million, Dead Money: $1 Million
It saddens me to say, but this is not a hard choice. When McPhee signed in 2015, he won over Bears fans with his violent style of play, sack production, and hatred for Packers’ quarterback Aaron Rodgers. I love everything about McPhee, except for his knees. Constant and somewhat severe injuries have made McPhee a shell of what he once was, and even his defensive coordinator Vic Fangio knows that he’ll never be the same guy on the field.
At this point, McPhee is nothing more than a rotational outside linebacker and he’s being paid way too much for that.
Verdict: Cut
Dion Sims (TE), Cap Hit: $6.3 Million, Dead Money: $666,667
Sims came to Chicago with the hope that he could become more than he was at the time, which is a solid blocking tight end who isn’t enough of a receiving threat to be anything other than a number two on the depth chart. He failed to do just that, and he failed to make a significant impact on the Bears’ offense to justify his hefty paycheck. Sims is a fine backup tight end but there are many players out there who will do his job much better and for much less cash.
Verdict: Cut
Bobby Massie (RT), Cap Hit: $6.1 Million, Dead Money: $500,000
Massie signed as a free agent to a moderately high-paying deal with the Bears banking on him becoming a complete player. With Massie, the question was can he develop his pass blocking ability to compliment his run blocking prowess? The answer was a resounding “No.”
By my count, he was responsible for seven sacks in 2017, the most out of any lineman on the team by a fairly significant margin. He wouldn’t be a bad swing tackle and a team like the Bears could always use offensive line depth, but Massie is earning too much money for that to happen.
Verdict: Cut
Markus Wheaton (WR) and Marcus Cooper (CB), Cap Hit: $5.8 and $5.5 million, Dead Money: $750,000 and $1 Million
Wheaton and Cooper are grouped together here because they had the same general type of season in what will be their only with the Bears. Wheaton was injured for a little less than half of the season and when healthy he caught a total of three passes.
Cooper started off the year semi-promising and then proceeded to fall off a cliff when he Leon Lett-ed himself against Pittsburgh and became cursed. He gave up significant yardage or a touchdown every single time he saw the field for the rest of the season. I will admit that I was a huge fan of the Marcus Cooper signing. I thought he could be the play-making, interception producing cornerback that the Bears desperately needed. I could not have been more wrong.
For his ungodly horrendous fumble alone, Cooper belongs not on the Bears’ roster but in the Pit of Misery.
Dilly Dilly!
Verdict: Cut Both
Willie Young (OLB), Cap Hit: $5.4 Million, Dead Money: $900,000
A rare holdover and somewhat successful signing from the godforsaken Phil Emery era, outside linebacker and fishing aficionado Willie Young, was re-upped by Ryan Pace and company with a two-year extension in June of 2016. He responded with a productive seven and a half sack season in a part-time role in 2016 before missing most of last season with a torn triceps.
With McPhee likely gone, the only other outside linebacker under contract for the Bears is Leonard Floyd, who has monstrous potential but has not been able to stay healthy. Neither has Young, but he’s worth bringing back for depth purposes.
Verdict: Keep
Kevin White (WR), Cap Hit: $5.3 Million, Dead Money: $5.3 Million
White has been best known for his complete inability to stay on the field since being drafted seventh overall in 2015. Now in the final year of his rookie contract, White should get one last chance to contribute to the Bears. However, the mistake that they made last season was approaching the offseason with the expectation that he would.
Obviously, that backfired in a disastrous way. They should expect nothing from White but hope for the best, especially because they don’t save any money by letting him go.
Verdict: Keep
Jerrell Freeman (ILB), Cap Hit: $4 Million, Dead Money: $500,000
After the 2016 season, Freeman had supposedly established himself as one of the leaders and top tacklers on an up and coming Bears defense. Even after a four-game PED suspension towards the end of the year. That all went down the drain when he found himself on IR after just one week with a pectoral injury. Later he was suspended another ten games for a repeat PED violation.
I don’t want to speculate but he seems to be in a pretty bad place, and I hope the Bears and the league give him all the help that he needs. However, that help should not include a roster spot.
Verdict: Cut
Unrestricted Free Agents
(i.e. not including Cameron Meredith and other former UDFAs who are now restricted, free agents. It also does not include Zach Miller, who is a UFA. I wish him the absolute best with his recovery, and it was a catch.)
Prince Amukamara (CB)
Amukamara was a bit of a consolation prize for the Bears after missing out on free agent cornerbacks Stephon Gilmore and A.J. Bouye, both of whom they pursued. He had minor injury issues at the beginning of the year but came back and didn’t play like a superstar (zero interceptions, a defense-leading seven penalties) but he was solid enough to warrant coming back for another year.
If they view a free agent corner who produces turnovers to be an upgrade, or if they particularly like one who will be available through the draft, they should take a shot at an upgrade. For now, Amukamara stays.
Verdict: Re-Sign
Dontrelle Inman (WR)
After a promising start to the Dontrelle Inman era, the mid-season trade acquisition from the Chargers disappeared. He produced in garbage time against the Eagles and Vikings but outside of his first two games, Inman did not contribute enough nor does he have reliable enough hands to warrant an extension.
He essentially played the role that Cameron Meredith would have played had he not torn up his knee in a preseason game. Luckily, he did not reach the threshold of 25 receptions that would have forced the Bears to give Los Angeles a seventh-round pick for his services.
He is not worth bringing back.
Verdict: Cut
Kendall Wright (WR)
Wright quickly established himself as Trubisky’s favorite target. That’s not saying much, given that his second option was usually Joshua Bellamy in a very forgettable year for the Bears’ receiving corps. Wright, however, served as Trubisky’s go-to guy out of the slot when the Bears needed a first down, like in overtime against Baltimore. He also proved adept at running those run-pass options that new Head Coach Matt Nagy features in his offense.
The Bears should bring back at least one receiver who has the trust of their young quarterback and Wright should be that guy.
Verdict: Keep (Re-sign)
Kyle Fuller (CB)
Count me in the group of people who didn’t think that Fuller was worth a roster spot last season and had crow for lunch on most Sundays. Fuller responded to missing the entire 2016 season and the Bears signing multiple replacement options with his best year by far.
Was his performance in 2017 enough to give him a long-term extension as a number one corner? In my opinion, no. He needs to continue to prove himself. This is what the franchise tag is for. It’s a lot of money, but only for one year and the Bears have plenty of cap space.
Let Fuller prove that 2017 was not a fluke, then lock him up if he does.
Verdict: Franchise Tag
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2018, 03:15:55 pm
That'll make Dallas happy.
Post by: dallasbear on January 26, 2018, 03:52:54 pm
Mike Glennon (QB), 2018 Cap Hit: $16 million, Dead Money: $4.5 million
Verdict: Cut (Agree)
Josh Sitton (G), Cap Hit: $8.6 Million, Dead Money: $666,668
Verdict: Keep (Agree - he's got another year and he's coming off an ankle sprain - and the guy on the other side is the one I'm more concerned about)
Pernell McPhee (OLB), Cap Hit: $8.1 Million, Dead Money: $1 Million
Verdict: Cut (Yeah, or maybe re-do his deal if he passes a physical)
Dion Sims (TE), Cap Hit: $6.3 Million, Dead Money: $666,667
Verdict: Cut (I guess - we do have 3 TEs but all are receiver types)
Bobby Massie (RT), Cap Hit: $6.1 Million, Dead Money: $500,000
Verdict: Cut (Massie gave up 6 sacks not 7...this is pretty much in line with a typical Massie season - he struggles a bit on fast surfaces but who you going to plug into RT role? We don't even have a swing tackle) I'd keep him another year and draft/sign his replacement
Markus Wheaton (WR) and Marcus Cooper (CB), Cap Hit: $5.8 and $5.5 million, Dead Money: $750,000 and $1 Million
Verdict: Cut Both (Wheaton was so underutilized and I have no explanation - but I agree )
Willie Young (OLB), Cap Hit: $5.4 Million, Dead Money: $900,000
Verdict: Keep (no brainer)
Kevin White (WR), Cap Hit: $5.3 Million, Dead Money: $5.3 Million
Verdict: Keep (no brainer)
Jerrell Freeman (ILB), Cap Hit: $4 Million, Dead Money: $500,000
Verdict: Cut (He's the best MLB on the team - I'd do some research on the PED thing but I like him)
Prince Amukamara (CB)
Verdict: Re-Sign (solid guy but he was in the top 10 as most penalized corners in the NFL and rarely intercepts the ball- if we cut Cooper and Fuller's status is up in the air - Bears might have to get 3 or 4 new corners)
Dontrelle Inman (WR)
Verdict: Cut (Bring him to camp with Meridith, White, Inman, and Wright and bring on 2 or 3 more new faces - let the best men win)
Kendall Wright (WR)
Verdict: Keep (Re-sign - he's so slow but he gets open on those short routes)
Kyle Fuller (CB)
Verdict: Franchise Tag (he's 25 and it's not like he was horrible in 2014 and 2015 - the entire defense was epicly bad back then - sign him long term)
Post by: dallasbear on January 26, 2018, 04:20:09 pm
But...but...Massie needs to be replaced??? I mean, I can go and pull a RT out of my a$$ that's better than he is....
Massie, meanwhile, is under contract for next season at a modest price. He is scheduled to earn a non-guaranteed base salary of $4.25 million, and he has a $1 million roster bonus due March 16.
Not saying he can't be upgraded. But you better have a bonafide replacement in free agency cuz you don't want to go into a draft with no RT.
Post by: Dave23 on January 26, 2018, 04:29:03 pm
I wouldn't hesitate to bring him back at a cut rate if no other teams were willing to take a chance on him, just on the off chance that he could get right.
Post by: dallasbear on January 26, 2018, 04:46:41 pm
So he was on IR and failed his drug test afterward:
"I hate to say I'm sorry again, but I'm sorry," Freeman posted on his Twitter account. "I've been on IR all year and you try and stay out of sight, but sorry for the distraction.
"I had been lying to friends, family and loved ones when it came to the question of, 'Are you OK?' Knowing my career may be over due to everything that came with the head injury (that's been purposely downplayed by me), memory loss and all, has actually been a bit of a struggle. That being said there's no excuse to cope with any problems by taking any kind of pills. I don't know my future but a big thanks to the Bears and the NFL, if I would have used their programs and services earlier than I did I wouldn't be in this situation. Sorry again for the distraction."
@JerrellFreeman
12:53 PM - Oct 30, 2017
Post by: boogie on January 26, 2018, 11:02:43 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 27, 2018, 06:13:23 am
It's too bad you can't put McPhee's drive and skill into Acho's body. Acho doesn't miss a shap, but he is slow. I love hearing him on the radio, you couldn't find a better representative of the team off the field.
If I waffled on any of the cuts, it was Sims. We don't have a lot of depth there already, but he was no more than a solid blocking option. He costs too much to do just that as his feature skill.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 27, 2018, 05:35:55 pm
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/25/expect-marqise-lee-to-grab-bears-attention-in-free-agency/
Post by: Pekin on January 27, 2018, 06:32:40 pm
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2018, 01:30:54 pm
5-11 CHICAGO BEARS
Let us repeat that ...
5-11 CHICAGO BEARS
What the fuuck happened in 2017 that anyone didn't understand ?
Gentlemen, this is whats known around the League as a LOSING RECORD.
WHY ??
Halas Hall should look in the mirror of the executive only men's room.
You wanna bat **** the Patriots ?
Build a team to do that. :D
Post by: dallasbear on January 29, 2018, 12:35:00 am
Griz
Yeah, Acho's best position is 4-3 OLB, but he's a good 4th OLB type and can play special teams. Probably our best OLB against the run. But he's not a big pass rusher.
He's the Unrein of the OLBs.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 31, 2018, 05:16:57 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-adrian-amos-best-safety-nfl-bleacher-report/
What do you all think about this?
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2018, 11:17:04 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-alex-smith-trade-bears-20180131-story.html
Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2018, 12:37:29 pm
As for Adrian Amos, first of all why is he considered a FS? He's more of a physical strong safety type. Is Eddie Jackson our strong safety?
Last year Amos had a nice year but he's never been a guy that gets his hands on too many balls and I've been critical of him for that in the past. In his first 2 years 7 passes defended - no picks. Last year 3 passes defended and one pick (and also forced 2 fumbles).
If he's so good - do the Bears cut ties with Demps?
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2018, 12:43:21 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2018, 01:37:19 pm
To me that's his strongest attribute - he laid the wood on a couple guys last year.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2018, 01:37:36 pm
What do we know about Kevin White’s two years of rehab? Has he been a workout warrior? Will he be stronger and faster? Or? — @GZeff
It’s really been rehabilitation over three seasons for White. I can say the Bears’ consistent message regarding the 2015 first-round draft pick is he’s always worked diligently and has maintained a really positive attitude throughout it all. I think it’s naive to believe White is going to get faster, and speed hasn’t been an issue for him. He needs to develop better skills running routes, and that requires time on the field. Strength hasn’t been an issue for him either. Just look at photos of him. He’s got all kinds of strength. What he’s lacked has been durability and a little good luck.
I think separation was what White lacked. Early problems were route running. Separation to me is a lack of quickness and speed. Biggs seems to be painting a different picture than what we saw last year.
Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2018, 02:17:47 pm
Speed and quickness are huge contributors to getting separation, but don't minimize the ability to read the defenses and execute footwork required for the route.
In White's scouting report there was some concern about his experience with a varied route tree, that is, he was running simpler routes in college.
If speed was the only factor the NFL would be full of track guys. White just needs to stay healthy during training camp, preseason and the regular season before anyone can start questioning his ability as a receiver.
Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2018, 03:41:55 pm
“It’s hard sometimes, and I’ve been there. I watched (the Bears) a couple times this year and felt almost all of (Trubisky’s) pass attempts came on third down, and that’s a hard way to play because I have been there too as a young player. He didn’t have the breather completions and throws to get himself into a rhythm, and I think Matt will do a great job just building it around him, tailoring it to his strengths, putting pieces around him that will help him.”
Post by: chifaninva on February 01, 2018, 07:17:33 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2018, 08:08:40 am
Post by: wmljohn on February 01, 2018, 08:10:55 am
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/d461/th/pre/i/2013/137/4/d/ichabod_crane_by_billywallwork525-d65k9gb.jpg)
Post by: wmljohn on February 01, 2018, 08:11:29 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2018, 08:17:04 am
Cousins? No way Jose.
Post by: dallasbear on February 01, 2018, 11:01:00 am
Wasn't real excited with the Glennon signing as a starter but for the right amount of money I think he'd be OK as a backup.
Glennon has an odd look about him but this should answer questions about his personal life:
http://sportsmockery.com/2017/03/meet-mike-glennons-wife-jessica-wetherill-glennon/
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 02, 2018, 08:26:29 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 02, 2018, 09:13:03 pm
Howard, when speaking with the crew from NFL Network’s Good Morning Football on Thursday, launched a grenade at last year’s offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains when he said defenses knew just about every play Chicago was going to call.
Sounds about right to me.
Post by: davebear on February 02, 2018, 09:44:20 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2018, 06:23:00 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/02/4-offensive-linemen-the-chicago-bears-should-target-in-free-agency/
could this happen?
Post by: boogie on February 03, 2018, 06:31:52 pm
Linebacker Brian Urlacher will enter the Hall of Fame this year, going one-for-one in his effort for inclusion.
Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that Urlacher has made it, in his first year of eligibility.
Urlacher, a top-10, first-round pick in 2000, played all 13 of his NFL seasons with the Bears, helping the team earn a berth in Super Bowl XLI. He has 41.5 sacks, 22 interceptions, 12 forced fumbles, and two touchdowns.
Versatile and athletic, Urlacher had played safety at New Mexico. As Biggs explains it, the Bears needed a little while to figure out Urlacher’s best spot. Once in the middle of the second level, Urlacher became a natural — and the next great middle linebacker in a line that traces back to Mike Singletary and Dick Butkus.
Urlacher will now join both of them in Canton.
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 04, 2018, 08:14:21 am
Its great to have someone younger folks today will have seen get inducted.
Anyone who saw that Arizona game during the SB run where he took over the game (with a little help from Devin Hester of course) could not deny he was a great one (that stuff of Emmit Smith "playing for stats" early on set the tone for sure).
Interesting HoF class for sure.....
Post by: stelz on February 04, 2018, 02:40:20 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2018, 10:23:16 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/03/super-bowl-lii-4-eagles-patriots-free-agents-that-could-interest-bears/
I hope Pace is thinking big and not small. With all the cap space we have we shouldnt be thinking small.
Post by: dallasbear on February 06, 2018, 10:41:21 am
Brian Urlacher did not start right away as he couldn't beat out Roosevelt Colvin at SLB. Can anyone name the MLB that got injured paving the way for Urlacher?
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 06, 2018, 03:16:44 pm
And some complain about the talent level on the team today, nothing (OK maybe the mid-70s teams minus Walter and maybe Doug B) compares with those Wanny virtually talent-less teams....
Hell I kicked a hole in one of my basement paneled walls after watching the Bears **** away a game back then (I was more firey and young :D). Can't recall which one (there were quite a few). Maybe not remembering is due to age too :D
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 06, 2018, 03:38:21 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2018, 04:01:19 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/malcolm-butler-benched-weed-curfew-report-patriots-super-bowl/
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2018, 04:21:04 pm
Chase Daniel A Logical QB2 Fit?
February 1st, 2018 at 5:40pm CST by Sam Robinson
•Mike Glennon will not be Mitch Trubisky‘s backup next season, leading Jeff Dickerson of ESPN.com to wonder if Chase Daniel would be an option for the Bears. Although Daniel was not with the Chiefs during Matt Nagy‘s two years as OC, he played three seasons behind Alex Smith when Nagy was the team’s QBs coach. Daniel spent 2017 backing up Drew Brees again. Dickerson listed Josh McCown, who rose back to relevance after a strong 2013 relief stint with the Bears, and Tyler Bray as other possible choices. The latter, though, having thrown just one pass in five NFL seasons could pose a problem in inspiring confidence he’s a No. 2 option.
•Although Malcolm Butler has played a key role with the Patriots ever since his era-reshaping interception sealed their Super Bowl XLIX win, two NFL personnel men are not as high on him as they are other UFA corners. Both told the Chicago Tribune’s Brad Biggs Butler would rank third behind Trumaine Johnson and Bears emerging defender Kyle Fuller if given the choice of the three. Each pointed to Butler’s small stature as a drawback. But the Bears went after Janoris Jenkins and Stephon Gilmore, respectively, the past two offseasons. And corner remains a need area. They figure to be in the market for a top-tier UFA here, and it stands to reason these three will be on the radar.
Post by: dallasbear on February 06, 2018, 05:35:06 pm
Josh McCown is available?
Shoot, he might be better than Trubisky right now.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 07, 2018, 04:41:26 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-patriots-josh-mcdaniels-colts-20180206-story.html
We would be approaching Brown's level right now had we attempted to make this hire. This article goes on to say how McDaniels is still a prime head coaching candidate. In what universe? He gave his word to the organization, and coaches were hired on his coming to the team. Indy is in a mess right now. McDaniels showed his true colors and character.
I wasn't 100% on board with Nagy before he was hired, but for very different reasons, namely his inexperience. Pace moved decisively and Nagy has assembled a nice cast of coaches to build around the young offense and Trubiskey.
Post by: davebear on February 07, 2018, 08:39:07 am
Post by: boogie on February 07, 2018, 09:09:13 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2018, 09:44:52 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-offensive-line-season-review-20180207-story.html
It shows the steps the Oline needs to take before we determine what the Bears do with the new staff. I hope the Bears dont have to use a high pick on an Olineman. However they do need to get the OLine some young players. As players age the injuries pile up. I hope they bring back a healthy Kush.
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 07, 2018, 09:48:31 am
Then again, reminds of the McGinnis fiasco attempted hire that finally got Mickey McCasket shunted to the cornfield (at last)....
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2018, 10:12:55 am
Post by: boogie on February 07, 2018, 11:12:12 am
Post by: navigator on February 07, 2018, 11:30:12 am
Post by: method on February 07, 2018, 11:37:52 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 07, 2018, 02:03:12 pm
O-line had ups and downs. They passed blocked fairly well throughout the season and got into trouble primarily with Trubisky's failures to pull the trigger (or take off) when no one was open.
Run-blocking started out well, but as the passing game deteriorated with Trubisky and his no-name WRs, teams over played the run. Couple that with the injuries the last 4 or 5 games and you end up with a very poor offense. And we all know the play calling was conservative and predictable.
Can an O-line of Leon, Sitton, Whitehair, Long and Massie produce with Trubisky with a season under his belt and some threats at WR and some creative plays, not to mention more creative use of Cohen?
Post by: method on February 07, 2018, 02:05:58 pm
They are not that good imo, i hope we draft OL early and often this draft.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2018, 03:42:30 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 07, 2018, 03:42:45 pm
Pass rushers? We got Floyd and thirty-something Willie Young returning from injury. That's it. The rest are FAs or cap victims.
Let's look at WRs...I'd rather not. Two starters coming off IR. The guys that did plays are FAs. And the guy that didn't play is signed through 2018.
So I agree we have issues at O-line, but we got big freaking HOLES at other positions. So early and often might work but you better get a bumper crop of FAs.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 07, 2018, 06:38:55 pm
Yes I equated the Colts McDaniel fiasco to the Bears McGinnis hiring fiasco. I havent seen one of this magnitude since the McGinnis fiasco.
I was disappointed when the McGinnis signing fizzled because of the Bears front office. I had the feeling that McGinnis did not take the position out of principle, not because he was a slime bag. I think these are two entirely different situations.
The Bears looked like fools with McGinnis. The Colts were burned by a dirt bag move. The Colts only issue was considering McDaniel to begin with.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2018, 09:17:24 pm
Post by: chifaninva on February 08, 2018, 05:05:28 am
Post by: Dave23 on February 08, 2018, 09:20:59 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 08, 2018, 09:24:38 am
...and maybe a little bit of a financial incentive might have been thrown in.
Post by: 46 on February 08, 2018, 10:23:26 am
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 08, 2018, 06:48:23 pm
That’s fantastic news, Urlacher was a great player. If Tommy Harris and Mike Brown had not been injured the Bears would have won that Super Bowl and Urlacher’s legacy would be even better....
No it wouldn't ... we had Grossman at QB.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 09, 2018, 04:58:17 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 09, 2018, 08:40:28 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2018, 10:36:58 am
Free agency/draft priority: Very high. The Bears need help when it comes to wide receiver, cornerback and pass rusher with the offensive line in the mix somewhere near the top. But the wide receivers need to be completely overhauled and that is a process that will have to start in free agency. White has a guaranteed contract and will be in the mix but the Bears have to treat him like an added bonus if he’s able to stay healthy and contribute. At some point in the offseason, the club will surely announce it is declining the fifth-year option for his contract in 2019. Meredith’s future was bright coming off a breakout performance in 2016 and he’ll be in the mix once he’s fully healthy and ready to go. But the Bears are going to require a mixture of experienced additions in free agency and at least one solid draft pick in the room. They’ve got to give Trubisky some real targets to get the ball to, players that can get open, make contested catches and challenge in the red zone. The wide receivers combined for four touchdowns on the season. The Bears’ biggest problem on offense is an inability to score. They’ve got to find players that can get in the end zone and create explosive plays. The top two potential free agents are likely to be locked up by their current teams. Indications are the Rams will retain Sammy Watkins and the Jaguars aren’t likely to allow Allen Robinson to leave. That could leave Jarvis Landry of Miami as the top target if he isn’t re-signed by the Dolphins. Landry is a highly productive and competitive force but he’s pretty much strictly a slot receiver. Do the Bears want to write a huge check for a slot receiver? That’s a question general manager Ryan Pace will have to answer. After that, there are a lot of less appealing options and none of them profile as anything close to a No. 1. Sure, there have been really successful offenses that operate without a No. 1 receiver but it makes it a little more difficult. The draft isn’t stocked with a lot of options that look like elite prospects in terms of guys that would be worthy of the No. 8 pick, but there will be plenty of guys to sort through when you talk about Round 2 and later rounds. It’s going to come down to finding the right players that fit what coach Matt Nagy wants to do.
That doesnt look very promising. And Biggs wasnt very upbeat over White either with good reason. INOW the receiving corp is a mess with little to hope for.
Post by: boogie on February 09, 2018, 10:52:25 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 09, 2018, 11:02:00 am
Landry:
Good: he's only 25, he caught 112 balls, he scored 9 TDs, we don't have a slot WR on the roster (Kendall Wright is a FA - 59/614 1 TD)
Bad: he's not a speed WR - strictly a shifty/quick slot guy. expensive
Post by: boogie on February 09, 2018, 11:02:46 am
On the day the Bears fired former head coach John Fox, team president Ted Phillips announced a two-year extension for Pace that would put him under contract until after the 2021 season. Many questioned the extension at the time, and rightfully so, but it’s clear the move was done to make the head coaching job more attractive for potential suitors, giving both Pace and the new head coach the same 2021 contract timeline.
Just a week after the team parted ways with Fox, they hired former Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy and went to work on their coaching staff.
While it’s always impossible to judge a head coaching hire before games are played, the value of hiring Nagy quickly and the timing of the Chiefs loss in the opening week of the playoffs can’t be overlooked.
Nagy moved fast on his coaching staff, quickly wrapping up all three coordinator positions, the most important of which was retaining defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.
With the coaching staff intact, the Bears will look to get their ducks in a row before the start of free agency on March 14th. Many roster decisions still need to be made.
Before the team heads into the free-agent market, expect a bevy of cuts and/or restructured contracts. According to the NFLPA, the Bears are expected to carry more than $7.6 million in cap space from 2017. The club currently has $143.995 million accounted for with their top 51 contracts. With those numbers in mind, and the 2018 NFL salary cap expected to be in the league of $178 million, the Bears would walk into the off-season with roughly $41.6 million in cap space.
Without cuts, the Bears cap figure (give or take a few million) will rank within the top 10 of all NFL teams but with some expected cuts factored in, they could see close to a $40 million jump in cap space before the start of free agency. That's said, it’s important to remember that multiple teams will have just as much, if not more cap space moving into the acquisition period.
Likely Cut Candidates: ($39.745 million in savings)
QB Mike Glennon, $11.5 million
OLB Pernell McPhee, $7.075 million
WR Markus Wheaton, $5 million
OLB Willie Young, $4.5 million
CB Marcus Cooper, $4.5 million
S Quintin Demps, $3.67 million
LB Jerrell Freeman, $3.5 million
Other Possibilities: ($19.26 million)
OG Josh Sitton, $8 million
TE Dion Sims, $5.66 million
OT Bobby Massie, $5.6 million
As seen above, the Bears have many ways to create cap flexibility and will be able to position themselves well financially as they look toward March.
Pending Free Agents
Once roster decisions are made on players currently under contract, Pace will turn to his own pending free agents. That starts at the cornerback position.
-CB Kyle Fuller
Fuller is the team’s highest priority moving into the off-season and someone they simply can’t afford to lose. With the return of Fangio, the chances of Fuller returning are likely higher than they were at season's end.
The soon-to-be 26-year-old has had an up-and-down career since being selected 14th overall in the 2013 draft but he broke out in 2017 under Fangio, finishing second in the NFL in pass breakups (22). There's certainly a level of unpredictability in terms of his production but there’s also no guarantee that Fuller will re-sign without a lucrative contract.
On the open market, Fuller is likely to land a four-to-five year deal with an annual value around $11-to-$13 million. The Bears can afford that price tag but may not be overly comfortable with it. If that's the case, the franchise tag becomes a realistic option.
-CB Prince Amukamara
Amukamara is ranked second on the list simply due to his age and limited upside, as he profiles more as a No. 2 corner. Still, he’s a key piece to the defense moving forward, even if only on a short-term basis, while they groom a younger player with more upside to take over in the near future.
A starting combination of Fuller and Amukamara won't be elite but the duo could provide a steady presence on the edges of Fangio's defense, particularly if the front seven continues to develop as pass rushers.
Amukamara has stated he wants to remain in Chicago and feels the team is building some “special”, which could make him a lot easier to lock down on a two-to-three year deal around $7 million annually with a low guarantee, which would allow them to draft his eventual replacement.
-P Patrick O’Donnell
Punter is an important piece to lock up before the free agent period starts, as the team doesn’t currently have a specialist under contract for the 2018 season. While O’Donnell hasn't consistently a top-end punter in the league, he’s a former draft pick that has improved each year.
The Bears are a team that should be looking for continuity heading into Year 4 of a rebuild and locking up their punter to a multi-year deal around $2.5-3 million per year seems like a no-brainer to me.
-WR Kendall Wright
Wright’s current situation is a little strange considering his two-time offensive coordinator in Dowell Loggains is gone and Nagy’s offense is based more on speed than anything else, something like Wright lacks at this point in his career.
With that in mind, Wright led the team in receptions, receiving yards and reliability during a rocky 2017 season and that should at least be worth a short-term deal on low-risk money in the $1-2 million range.
Other Pending Free Agents
LB Christian Jones, K Cairo Santos, CB Sherrick McManis and DL Mitch Unrein.
The Bears will also have a group of restricted free agents that should play key roles in 2018. These players aren’t currently under contract but are under team control if the club chooses to tender them.
WR Cameron Meredith
CB Bryce Callahan
LS Patrick Scales
LB John Timu
Meredith and Callahan are both players that Pace could look to lock up on a cheaper long-term deals, instead of extending tenders that would only keep them under contract through 2018.
What To Expect In the Coming Weeks
Judging by recent years, Pace and Co. will start the trimming process in the last week or two in February, which will carry into the beginning of March.
Fuller is the only player on the roster worth the franchise tag, which has to be administered between Feb. 20-March 6. Pace may make some back-end acquisitions but the majority of the roster work will come in the way of cuts. A few dates to keep in mind in regard to cuts.
February 10th- March 9th
During this period, the Bears will have a choice to make on their option with 32-year-old veteran Josh Sitton. If they opt to exercise the $8.57 million option, they can cut him at any point into the new league year but most NFL teams give veterans the respect of cutting them early and letting them latch on with another team as soon as possible.
March 16th
This is a big day for multiple players because, if kept after this point, there’s a strong chance they’ll have roster spots for the 2018 season.
TE Dion Sims: $4 million of his $6 millon bases salary would be guaranteed.
QB Mike Glennon: $2.5 million roster bonus.
CB Markus Cooper: $2 million base salary becomes guaranteed.
RT Bobby Massie: $1 million roster bonus.
March 18th
S Quintin Demps: $500,000 roster bonus.
Expect a busy free-agent period for the Bear, ideally with a long-term outlook of players that will not help in 2018 but serve as multi-year pieces that will create continuity, while also cutting down on the 30 percent roster turnover that is likely in 2018.
Post by: Sportster on February 09, 2018, 10:56:19 pm
Post by: chifaninva on February 10, 2018, 07:45:24 am
Post by: navigator on February 10, 2018, 09:48:45 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2018, 10:22:04 am
I believe that our needs of Edge/OLB, CB and WR are not going to be there at #8. sure CB and WR will but they will be reaches at those positions. Top edge rusher will likely be gone. And we dont need QB or RB either. To me if thats the case I would trade down.
Post by: method on February 10, 2018, 10:31:47 am
Nelson, Chubb, Barkley, Fitzpatrick, McGlinchey.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 10, 2018, 04:34:36 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2018, 04:59:22 pm
I think one of these 5 players will be there at bears spot... i'm ok with any of them.
Nelson, Chubb, Barkley, Fitzpatrick, McGlinchey.
The last one is sure to be there, the one with the bad grade and shouldnt be there. The ones we should want will be gone
Post by: boogie on February 10, 2018, 05:41:20 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 10, 2018, 05:53:16 pm
Chubb - 5% chance he makes it to 8
Barkley - 10%
Fitzpatrick - 40%
Nelson - 50%
McGlinchey - 95%
If he's strictly a RT and with medical issues - I don't want him at 8.
Right now our guy is Denzel Ward. Maybe Josh Jackson. It would be nice to get one with a trade down.
Pure need pick. Sign Fuller and I'll consider someone else.
Post by: davebear on February 11, 2018, 08:58:19 am
Apparently had a hard time against the bigger Indiana receiver.
Is Josh Jackson the Iowa corner? I saw a mock where we took him as he is a bigger corner.
3 int's against Ohio State didn't hurt him.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2018, 10:04:23 am
https://nflmocks.com/2018/02/04/chicago-bears-2018-mock-offseason-caution-to-the-wind/
Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2018, 10:11:57 am
https://nflmocks.com/2018/02/01/2018-nfl-mock-draft-kirk-cousins-creates-quarterback-scramble/\
Could this happen or is it fantasy island 2.0?
Post by: boogie on February 11, 2018, 11:51:55 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2018, 12:14:17 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2018, 09:18:29 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/10/espn-predicts-bears-will-draft-another-qb-in-2018-nfl-draft/
Post by: Dave23 on February 12, 2018, 10:37:32 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2018, 05:23:25 pm
However if some team thought there was a chance, maybe we might get more calls for our pick at #8 too if somebody actually thought there was a chance.
Post by: Pekin on February 12, 2018, 05:24:32 pm
Floating the need for a back up is good strategy though. We need a good offer to move down.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2018, 05:42:30 pm
Post by: Dave23 on February 12, 2018, 09:17:05 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2018, 09:22:31 pm
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 12, 2018, 09:55:31 pm
So would I but it wouldnt be a bad idea to make teams think we might.
You mean we out Lynch Lynch ?
He already signed Jimmy Garapalo.
We got MT in return. :D
Rudolph in the second ?
Post by: boogie on February 13, 2018, 10:36:31 am
The NFL announced today that the Bears and Ravens will meet in the Hall of Fame Game on August 2.
Chicago and Baltimore are easy choices for the NFL, as Brian Urlacher and Ray Lewis were both selected to the 2018 Pro Football Hall of Fame class. Plenty of fans from both cities will make the trip to Ohio for the game, and for the enshrinement ceremony.
In addition to Urlacher and Lewis, this year’s class consists of Bobby Beathard, Robert Brazile, Brian Dawkins, Jerry Kramer, Randy Moss and Terrell Owens.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2018, 10:43:38 am
Post by: boogie on February 15, 2018, 08:20:41 am
According to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, the Bears have hired Andre Tucker to serve as their head trainer and Jason Loscalzo as the new strength and conditioning coach. The hiring of Loscalzo was first reported by FootballScoop.com.
The Bears elected to part ways with trainer Nate Breske in late January. Strength coaches Jason George and Rick Perry were also not retained.
The Bears finished the season with 16 players on injured reserve after having 21 players end up on injured reserve in 2016.
Tucker has 15 years of NFL experience and had spent the past eight seasons with the Cleveland Browns. He’d also worked for the Atlanta Falcons, Jacksonville Jaguars and Miami Dolphins.
Loscalzo had been the strength and conditioning coach at Washington State University.
Reading some good things about Loscalzo:
#Bears seem to being hiring Strength & Conditioning Coach Jason Loscalzo from WSU. Smart hire. He preaches core strength, efficiency over volume and specific player programs. Very different from the last group.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2018, 08:29:28 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 15, 2018, 11:01:17 am
Brad Bigg's review of Freeman:
The signing of Jerrell Freeman to a three-year deal when Trevathan was added as a major piece (four-year, $28 million contract with $15.5 million guaranteed) has not worked out. Freeman was celebrated for leading the team in tackles in 2016 despite missing four games to suspension for violating the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing drugs, but the metrics used by those who supported Freeman simply didn’t add up. He lacked the athletic ability to be a dynamic player in the middle of the defense and didn’t play with the same range as Trevathan.
Inside linebackers in this scheme should pile up tackle statistics, so that alone didn’t make Freeman anything more than an average player. Now at 31 and coming off a second PED suspension as well as a concussion suffered in the season opener against the Falcons when he tore a pectoral muscle, it would be a stunner if Freeman returned under new coach Matt Nagy. If Freeman does not retire, the Bears will almost certainly terminate his contract.
Freeman is the best ILB on the Bears against the run PERIOD. You can talk about Trevathian and Kwiatowski getting penciled in as starters ahead of Freeman and his injuries and the PED suspension and the $4M salary as reasons for the Bears cutting him but don't call him just another guy and lacking athletic ability.
Post by: Pekin on February 15, 2018, 07:50:54 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 15, 2018, 08:07:59 pm
Who are these guys?
The Matt Nagy honeymoon continues, but I agree with one thing they said....it's a Bears town...
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 15, 2018, 08:31:58 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2018, 09:38:41 pm
Post by: Sportster on February 16, 2018, 09:05:41 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 16, 2018, 09:52:20 am
The Bears need to invest in more than a slot receiver. Besides they did that last year too.
Yes, they need to invest in a speed WR, a couple CBs, a pass rushing OLB, maybe an offensive lineman, backup NT, etc. etc. etc.
And the slot guy they got last year was a good signing and turned out to be their best WR, but Landry is one of the best in the league.
Post by: boogie on February 16, 2018, 01:06:15 pm
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 16, 2018, 03:02:12 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 16, 2018, 04:37:19 pm
If the Bears want him bad enough he will be back...franchise his a$$. But that means Bears will still have to focus on CBs in the next 2 drafts/free agency periods.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 16, 2018, 04:56:51 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 17, 2018, 08:53:23 am
https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/2/16/17021290/is-the-colts-secret-weapon-a-guy-they-just-pulled-out-of-retirement
Here's hoping our new staff gets a handle on the injury bug......
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2018, 10:53:53 am
https://dawindycity.com/2018/02/17/chicago-bears-kyle-fuller-become-free-agent-per-report/
This report doesnt scare me.
Post by: Dave23 on February 17, 2018, 04:21:19 pm
Post by: Pekin on February 18, 2018, 08:23:40 am
Post by: chifaninva on February 18, 2018, 11:23:59 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 09:03:47 am
https://beargoggleson.com/2018/02/19/chicago-bears-2/
Post by: method on February 20, 2018, 09:34:37 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 09:46:02 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 09:51:00 am
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4707730/jimmy-graham-trey-burton-potential-te-upgrades-for-bears-in-free-agency
But depending on what they do with Sims I could see a definite upgrade needed. I have no respect for Graham anymore.
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 10:01:49 am
From what I hear in Dallas Irving is expected to get a 2nd round tender. Odd that the author didn't mention this in his article. Cowboys aren't going to sign him long term...this year. So if the Cowboys don't match a Bears offer he could be had for the 39th pick in the draft. He's a young tall pass rushing DT but I do agree with the article that he could project to a 3-4 DE.
He would start for the Bears, no question.
But do you give up the 39th pick for a position that's OK depth-wise when you have so many pressing needs at other positions?
Post by: method on February 20, 2018, 10:08:07 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 10:36:31 am
You may be right. The difference in tenders is only about $1M. I think even the cap-starved Cowboys could afford that.
Post by: method on February 20, 2018, 10:39:05 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 20, 2018, 11:00:20 am
I would expect Dallas to tag him. But he has the size to play 3/4 DE.
Unless they sign Lawrence to a long term contract before the franchise tag,they can not tag them both.
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 11:13:40 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 11:14:09 am
Griz
Irving isn't eligible for free agency this year - he's a RFA.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 11:15:43 am
Interesting
Post by: boogie on February 20, 2018, 12:48:27 pm
He’s definitely done with the Bears, who released him today, a league source tells PFT.
Freeman signed a three-year, $12 million contract with the Bears in 2016 but was suspended four games that year, then placed on injured reserve after playing just one game in 2017.
The 31-year-old Freeman has had a long football journey that saw him named the Division III defensive player of the year at Mary Hardin-Baylor in 2007 but fail to make the Titans as an undrafted rookie in 2008. After three years with the Canadian Football League’s Saskatchewan Roughriders, Freeman signed with the Colts in 2012 before joining the Bears in 2016.
Now that long football journey may have reached its end.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 20, 2018, 01:00:17 pm
Post by: method on February 20, 2018, 01:02:15 pm
Unless they sign Lawrence to a long term contract before the franchise tag,they can not tag them both.
Interesting
Irving is a RFA, they dont need to franchise him. The question now becomes what round tender does it cost to sign him away. Personally... i think if they give him a 2nd round tender, he's gone. 24 years old, athletic freak at a premium position. Can also play end and DT effectively.
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 01:50:27 pm
For Freeman's sake I hope he is free of his concussion issues. If he is, some team is going to get a very good MLB for cheap.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 02:40:30 pm
Post by: method on February 20, 2018, 02:58:16 pm
Tenders are for what you are willing to pay the player now... not based on how they came into the league.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 03:01:29 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 04:09:57 pm
See ya Josh.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 04:40:31 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-josh-sitton-option-declined-20180220-story.html
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 04:42:21 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 04:55:13 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 05:18:26 pm
They could move Whitehair to LG and go after a center in the draft or free agency. Also Josh Morgan, last year's 5th rounder, returns. Eric Kush, a journeyman G/C returns from IR. I don't think Grasu is a viable option at center.
Pace will not go into the draft with a hole in his starting O-line.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
Post by: Pekin on February 20, 2018, 06:38:53 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2018, 08:35:26 pm
Post by: Sportster on February 21, 2018, 06:01:46 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2018, 07:55:12 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 21, 2018, 10:28:22 am
Pace is gonna go on a FA shopping spree like no other...or at least he better!
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2018, 10:33:45 am
Post by: navigator on February 21, 2018, 12:19:10 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 21, 2018, 02:04:36 pm
Bargains? Like the ones we've had in the past that have contributed to 3 to 5 win seasons? Not saying to spend unwisely. But we have so many holes and only a handful of draft choices. We have the cap and we have to be very active in free agency.
In the past the Bears haven't had the luxury of attracting the top free agents - maybe that will change this year?
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2018, 04:55:33 pm
Post by: Pekin on February 23, 2018, 03:46:06 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2018, 05:20:09 pm
Post by: chifaninva on February 24, 2018, 08:17:38 am
Bargains? Like the ones we've had in the past that have contributed to 3 to 5 win seasons? Not saying to spend unwisely. But we have so many holes and only a handful of draft choices. We have the cap and we have to be very active in free agency.
In the past the Bears haven't had the luxury of attracting the top free agents - maybe that will change this year?
I agree.. We need some players..
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2018, 10:56:55 am
https://nflmocks.com/2018/02/23/2018-nfl-trade-machine-5-more-names-that-could-be-dealt/
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2018, 11:19:36 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2018, 11:29:12 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 25, 2018, 04:09:25 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-biggs-nfl-scouting-combine-20180224-story.html
Post by: octagon on February 26, 2018, 02:42:10 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 26, 2018, 02:53:59 pm
Not surprised with those 2.
Though many have talked about it, I just don't see Willie Young or Massie getting cut.
Wheaton and Cooper are probably slightly better than 50/50 cuts. Glennon 100%. I think they'll keep Sims too but he too underwhelmed us.
Post by: octagon on February 26, 2018, 05:05:13 pm
Not surprised with those 2.Young is cheap depth and Massie played well enough last season that I dont think they release him unless something great and unexpected comes their way. I'd probably cut wheaton, cooper, glennon and sims. Sims and Cooper will probably be on the team until a replacement is found.
Though many have talked about it, I just don't see Willie Young or Massie getting cut.
Wheaton and Cooper are probably slightly better than 50/50 cuts. Glennon 100%. I think they'll keep Sims too but he too underwhelmed us.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2018, 08:56:33 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kyle-fuller-franchise-tag-biggs-20180227-story.html
Post by: boogie on February 28, 2018, 09:34:44 am
- Glennon will be cut March 14th
- Young will be cut today.
- Talks with Fuller on going.
- Goldman & Amos are extension candidates
- Pace will stay calculated in FA.
Post by: dallasbear on February 28, 2018, 10:34:24 am
So Pace is cutting Young and may not re-sign or tag Fuller.
If that pans out we'd have one pass rusher signed....Floyd. And one corner...Marcus Cooper, who is also a candidate to be cut.
I'm a big fan of both Young and Fuller....as I was Jeffery. Deja vu...all over again.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2018, 11:27:53 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 28, 2018, 12:31:27 pm
Muhammad Wilkerson released....he's a 3-4 DE and would look really nice on the other side of Akeem Hicks.
Post by: dallasbear on February 28, 2018, 12:35:47 pm
Here's rotoworld's ranked CB FA list:
Cornerbacks
Trumaine Johnson (28)
Kyle Fuller (26)
Aaron Colvin (26)
Malcolm Butler (28)
E.J. Gaines (26)
Prince Amukamara (28)
Bashaud Breeland (26)
Vontae Davis (29) -- Signed 1-year, $5M deal with BUF
Morris Claiborne (28)
Rashaan Melvin (28)
Patrick Robinson (30)
T.J. Carrie (27)
Brent Grimes (34)
Johnathan Joseph (33)
Post by: dallasbear on February 28, 2018, 12:39:27 pm
The difference in production between Fuller and Colvin is huge. Not sure how Colvin showed up as high as he did. But he's been in the league 4 years...no picks...14 passes defended (and those are career stats not 2017). Same age as Fuller.
Maybe we can get him for real cheap!
Post by: chifaninva on February 28, 2018, 06:57:00 pm
Post by: Pekin on February 28, 2018, 08:01:01 pm
We just took two steps back. Young was a player.
Sitton was a guy I wanted to keep then I saw he only played in 13 games in the last two years. Yeah, can't pay a guy who can't stay on the field. In two years we didn't even get a whole season out of him.
Pace has very slowly improved the team but damn we need to get better in a hurry.
Post by: dallasbear on March 01, 2018, 09:23:52 am
Pekin
Sitton played in 13 games each of his 2 seasons in Chicago. He didn't miss a game the previous 4 seasons with Green Bay. Apparently Pace didn't like the trend, but more likely he didn't like the one year price $8M.
Post by: dallasbear on March 01, 2018, 09:31:06 am
Willie Young was probably my most favorite player on defense. He never took plays off especially when he was trying to get to the QB.
Yeah, I know he'll be 33 this September and coming off a significant injury but I think he could have helped the Bears for another year.
Pace is really putting himself in a tough position having to fill all these holes - especially at OLB where the Bears only have one legit starter and its a difficult position to fill.
But maybe its not Pace's plan to fill all the holes this year?
Post by: 46 on March 01, 2018, 09:46:03 am
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Post by: dallasbear on March 01, 2018, 02:32:50 pm
Pace may be using the Jed Hoyer and current Gar Forman methodology of piling up losing season after losing season to improve draft position to re-build a younger roster.
Pace is in year 4.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2018, 03:06:48 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on March 01, 2018, 03:42:25 pm
You are lucky to get 3 or 4 starters a year out of a draft class. Then you fill in with trades, undrafted free agents and free agents.
Angelo and Emery didn't leave a lot of talent for Pace to build on:
2017 (3)
1 2 Trubisky, Mitch QB North Carolina
2 45 Shaheen, Adam TE Ashland
4 112 Jackson, Eddie FS Alabama
4 119 Cohen, Tarik RB North Carolina A&T
5 147 Morgan, Jordan OG Kutztown
2016 (5)
1 9 Floyd, Leonard OLB Georgia
2 56 Whitehair, Cody OG Kansas State
3 72 Bullard, Jonathan DE Florida
4 113 Kwiatkoski, Nick ILB West Virginia
4 124 Bush, Deon FS Miami
4 127 Hall, Deiondre` CB Northern Iowa
5 150 Howard, Jordan RB Indiana
6 185 Houston-Carson, DeAndre FS William & Mary
7 230 Braverman, Daniel WR Western Michigan
2015 (2)
1 7 White, Kevin WR West Virginia
2 39 Goldman, Eddie NT Florida State
3 71 Grasu, Hroniss OC Oregon
4 106 Langford, Jeremy RB Michigan State
5 142 Amos, Adrian FS Penn State
6 183 Fabuluje, Tayo OT TCU
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2018, 04:46:05 pm
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Post by: davebear on March 01, 2018, 04:52:52 pm
As far as I know the players cut can be resigned at a lower contract if they want.
Post by: dallasbear on March 01, 2018, 05:36:42 pm
Bears need some bodies:
CB - we need 2 assuming we keep Cooper and shift Deiondre Hall back to CB...if not maybe 3
OLB - we got one guy! we need 3 more (not counting on Isiah Irving and Howard Jones)
DE - we got 2 young guys on the other side of Hicks - lower priority backup
NT - we need a backup to Goldman
G - we probably need one starting G/C type so we don't have to start Kush or Grasu - somebody to compete with Jordan Morgan and we still don't know about Long
T - we could use a swing tackle and eventual replacement for Massie next year
WR - 3 guys to go with Meridith and White
QB - a backup
punter - yeah, he's a FA too
kicker - and add that to the shopping list
Looks like we need at least half a dozen starters and half dozen more quality backups. I know we have 7 draft choices and a lot of cap money but its going to be difficult to find the quality FAs to fill in all these holes and you never know what your going to get from the rookie class.
But I figure Pace has a plan.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 01, 2018, 08:41:51 pm
Love me some Matt Forte. A great Bear!
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2018, 10:04:54 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 02, 2018, 11:07:31 am
Bears' 'aggressive' talks with Kyle Fuller produce no resolution — yet - Chicago Tribune
Post by: VJ on March 02, 2018, 11:41:45 am
The big money should be going to CB, pass rush, and then solidifying the lines.
Post by: dallasbear on March 02, 2018, 11:55:45 am
Offensively, I would place WR at the top of the list with guard after Sitton's release second. We do have Kush (either at center or guard) and last year's Jordan Morgan as options....not the best options. At WR we have Meridith coming off an ACL and it usually takes skill players an extra year to be productive after surgery. White who should be healthy but his track record suggests you can't trust him. Kendall Wright is a FA.
Landry is out of the picture. He's property of the Dolphins now after the franchise tag and would not only cost you big bucks but a draft choice. No way.
Albert Wilson is a possibility, so is the midget FA slot receiver from Atlanta who has 4.4 flat speed. No draft picks to sign either of those two.
But you still need a couple "outside" wide receivers and hope we get some production out of Meridith/White.
So my need based priority list for free agency:
1/CB
2/OLB
3/WR
4/OG
Post by: VJ on March 02, 2018, 12:10:49 pm
The Landry rumors (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article203014489.html) are starting to heat up and I hope another sucker overpays.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 02, 2018, 12:16:31 pm
Post by: boogie on March 03, 2018, 01:45:27 pm
Sources: Bears, Dolphins have discussed Jarvis Landry-for-Jordan Howard swap
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INDIANAPOLIS – New coach Matt Nagy liked the enthusiasm, if not the timing, of Jordan Howard’s recent “prediction” of playoffs for the Bears this season. But whether Nagy likes Howard enough as the centerpiece running back in his still-forming Bears offense is somewhat less certain.
Whispers are that the Bears and Miami Dolphins have had conversations about the Dolphins sending wide receiver Jarvis Landry and a third-round pick to the Bears in exchange for Howard and a swap of the Dolphins pick at No. 11 overall for the Bears’ at No. 8.
Landry carries Miami’s franchise tag but coach Adam Gase was less than adamant about Landry continuing as a Dolphin at all cost despite 400 catches and not missing a single game over Landry’s first four NFL seasons.
“Yeah, if it works out the way that we’ve kind of looked at things,” Gase said this week at the NFL Scouting Combine. “Really, that’s why we franchised him. We’ll just kind of see how it goes.”
Howard was the Bears’ chief offensive threat over the past two seasons, becoming the first running back in franchise history to rush for more than 1,000 yards in each of this first two seasons.
But sources said that the Nagy offensive staff has concerns about Howard’s shortcomings as a receiver and which pose a significant issue for a scheme with a West Coast foundation. The Nagy offense presupposes backs with excellent receiving skills, which Kansas City Chiefs backs typically had during Nagy’s tenure on Andy Reid’s staff and which Howard has not demonstrated in his two Bears seasons.
If Howard is not viewed as the long-term fit at running back, the time for GM Ryan Pace to make a move points to sooner rather than later.
Nagy was generally complimentary of Howard’s play, with a possible qualifier that the staff will be looking at how Howard’s “unique” style fits into the emerging Bears offense. “It's interesting, because you watch him on tape and you see his style of play and it's unique, but it's a good unique,” Nagy said. “He's a tough runner and has a style where he's able to be elusive for his size, but yet he can still make that first-down run on fourth-and-1 or short yardage.
“It's intriguing for us as a staff when we watch tape to see him, to be able to see how we can fit his style of play into our offense. It feels right.”
Howard as receiver, however, has been problematic, in view of his 5 drops among 32 targets last season, with only 23 total receptions. Howard averaged just 5.4 yards per reception last season, with a long of only 12 yards.
By contrast, Kansas City’s lead backs were notably more productive:
2017: Kareem Hunt, 53, rec., 8.6 ypc, long of 78 yards
2016: Spencer Ware, 33 rec., 13.5 ypc, long of 46 yards
2015: Charcandrick West, 20, rec., 10.7 ypc, long of 80 yards ; Jamaal Charles, 21 rec., 8.4 ypc, long of 26
The Bears are in a decidedly makeover mode, and whether Howard indeed fits the offense envisioned by Nagy and coordinator Mark Helfrich remains to play out – just as with Landry and the Dolphins.
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Worth noting: There is zero desire by the #Bears to trade RB Jordan Howard, sources say. Doesn’t sound like there will be any splashy Jarvis Landry for Howard deal.
Post by: navigator on March 04, 2018, 06:23:24 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 04, 2018, 06:58:31 am
Flat out Dolphins cannot afford the franchise cap, they do not have the $$ this year. They are in a tough spot. To get anything for Landry would be a win for them. I would not move down 3 spots in 1st round. I would swap Howard for Landry and get the 3rd rounder, that would be a win for us and them. This assumes the coaching staff feels strongly Howard is not a fit.
Post by: boogie on March 04, 2018, 07:36:42 am
Post by: boogie on March 04, 2018, 07:52:32 am
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/3/3/17076234/chicago-bears-look-kevin-white-is-jacked-first-round-nfl-draft-pick-wide-receiver-matt-nagy
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Post by: boogie on March 04, 2018, 11:26:52 am
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/3/3/17074548/chicago-bears-realistic-off-season-simulation
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2018, 10:04:38 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-10-thoughts-nfl-combine-biggs-20180305-story.html
Briggs believes Fuller wants to come back, so maybe they can get a deal done.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2018, 10:51:03 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/a-personal-challenge-bears-coach-matt-nagy-eager-to-work-with-wr-kevin-white/
If Nagy works with White, just maybe he can get some of the bugs out of White's game. Maybe he still has some ability to help the Bears.
Post by: 46 on March 05, 2018, 11:00:02 am
Post by: dallasbear on March 05, 2018, 01:14:14 pm
LeBlanc is a slot corner and McManis should only be on a CB depth chart as a last resort. Even with Fuller we need another corner in free agency and maybe one in the draft too.
Kyle Long is a RG.
I like the additions at guard, DE and OLB.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2018, 05:10:20 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-spt-cowboys-demarcus-lawrence-franchise-tag-20180305-story.html
That ought to kill the Cowboy cap space
Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2018, 01:25:13 am
Irving would play DE in our 3-4, but it could be difficult for the Cowboys to pay him.
They are down to about $3M cap and not only do they have to pay Irving but they want to lock up guard Zack Martin long term and he wants to be the highest paid guard in the league.
That's why there is so much Dez Bryant in the news lately. They might have to re-do his deal.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 06, 2018, 04:53:57 am
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22659051/matt-forte-sign-one-day-contract-retire-chicago-bears
Post by: navigator on March 06, 2018, 05:11:04 am
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2018, 08:33:38 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-matt-forte-one-day-contract-20180306-story.html
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2018, 10:35:16 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kyle-fuller-free-agency-20180306-story.html
They seem to believe they can re-sign him.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2018, 11:05:27 am
The tag really hurts your salary cap. If we don't sign Fuller there are other options in free agency but most are older and/or inferior options. It also most likely places a priority at drafting a CB early in the draft.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2018, 12:13:53 pm
Definitely if they cant sign Fuller. Definitely this isnt looking good right now. Plus we havent heard a peep about Akumura either
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Let me just say this- Thank you, Ryan Pace. Transition tag is & always was the smartest option for Kyle Fuller. #Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2018, 02:07:28 pm
Didn't teams in the past abuse offers against transition tagged players?
Like, if Kyle Fuller plays 9 or more games on grass he gets a 50% bonus, could be an offer from some dome team.
Post by: wmljohn on March 06, 2018, 02:38:29 pm
The league killed the poison pill contracts a while ago.
Post by: wmljohn on March 06, 2018, 02:41:19 pm
The unexpected return of the NFL's transition tag merits a reminder that "poison pills," used occasionally to pry players from their existing teams, were eliminated in the 2011 collective bargaining agreement.
Two players, Cleveland Browns center Alex Mack and Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Jason Worilds, were tagged as transition players Monday and are eligible to sign an offer sheet with a new team. The Browns and Steelers have the right to match those offers and retain Mack and Worilds, respectively. Importantly, they won't have to worry about the impact of a poison pill that would create two sets of terms in the offer sheet.
In 2006, for example, the Seattle Seahawks were unable to match the Minnesota Vikings' offer sheet to guard Steve Hutchinson because of a poison pill that would have forced them to guarantee him $49 million while the Vikings would have guaranteed only $18.5 million. (The poison pill clause called for a higher guarantee if Hutchinson wasn't the highest-paid offensive lineman on the team, a distinction held in Seattle by left tackle Walter Jones.)
That move was legal under the previous CBA, even though then-commissioner Paul Tagliabue and other owners claimed it violated the "spirit" of free agency. The league did not address the issue formally, however, until it inserted this wording into the current CBA:
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"No Offer Sheet may contain a Principal Term that would create rights or obligations for the Old Club that differ in any way (including but not limited to the amount of compensation that would be paid, the circumstances in which compensation would be guaranteed, or the circumstances in which other contractual rights would or would not vest) from the rights or obligations that such Principal Term would create for the Club extending the Offer Sheet (i.e., no 'poison pills')."
That paragraph does not prevent a team from crafting an advantageous but equal offer sheet that, for instance, front-loads a salary-cap hit in order to capitalize on another team's tight fit.
Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2018, 03:18:55 pm
Thanks for the info. Bears are 4th in cap space (behind Browns, Jets and Jags). And there are 11 other teams with cap space above average.
1 Cleveland Browns $108,919,295
2 New York Jets $92,083,128
3 Jacksonville Jaguars $87,184,629
4 Chicago Bears $77,532,002
5 Indianapolis Colts $73,878,001
6 Tampa Bay Bucs $73,095,826
7 San Francisco 49ers $67,029,331
8 Houston Texans $62,999,974
9 Tennessee Titans $49,156,490
10 Minnesota Vikings $48,097,861
11 Los Angeles Rams $42,549,308
12 Cincinnati Bengals $35,404,193
LEAGUE AVERAGE $35,054,938
So most likely competing offers would come from teams on this list.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
Browns should sign Keenum and tell him that 2018 is his year....then draft Darnold or Allen or Rosen.
Case, be wary of those front loaded contracts...ask Mike Glennon.
Speaking of backup QBs - everyone talks about the Bears re-signing the Mark Sanchez - how about Josh McCown?
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 10, 2018, 10:03:56 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/49ers-decline-pick-elvis-dumervil-211039681.html
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2018, 08:06:48 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-free-agency-preview-20180311-story.html
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2018, 08:33:02 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-free-agent-primer-whos-coming-whos-going-and-how-much-they-can-spend/
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2018, 10:19:06 am
Bears sign Bradley Sowell to a two year contract.
Pace has filled the swing tackle position on the roster. Sowell can also play guard. Doesn't mean Pace won't draft a tackle but he doesn't have to with Leno and Massie projecting as starters next year.
Still waiting for a couple WRs, a corner and an outside linebacker. Also could use backups at QB, HB, TE and DE.
Post by: wmljohn on March 13, 2018, 06:15:10 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/13/report-bears-set-to-sign-receiver-allen-robinson/
Bearly is rolling over in his grave.
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I think it was logic that hated the FAs so bad, unless they came in as 3rd string and worked their way up. Your RB also had to weigh 220lbs.
You are correct sir.
Logic is spinning in his grave. Bearlybot is just repeating stuff.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 09:10:27 am
Ah yes, Logic and Laport - it was really crazy when on of the IDs would backup the other's position.
Not sure if they actually talked to each other - that would have been weird...er.
Post by: Dave23 on March 13, 2018, 09:10:42 am
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 09:22:47 am
First concern, now the Bears 3 top receivers are all coming back from season ending injuries (but everyone of them were in the first game or earlier), and two of them were ACLs. Robinson has shown he can be productive but he's not a speedster/game breaker (he ran a 4.6 at the combine which is s-l-o-w), but as I said he's been productive in the pros and put up some huge numbers in college. And most likely he improved on that 40 time on his pro day (its hard to imagine him being that slow).
Good news is he's big (6-3 220) and young (almost 25) and he's got some hops with a 39" vertical and 127" broad jump.
And the best news is that the Packers had Robinson (and Watkins) on their radar.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 09:36:57 am
If they are looking for a QB they will only trade down with the Bears if they want to leap frog Miami. 7/TB, 8/Chicago, 9/SF, and 10/Oak will not draft a QB.
If they want to get into the real QB mix they can look at Cleveland at #4 or maybe Indy at #3. Bills have a lot of ammo - 2 first rounders, two low 2nd rounders and the top 3rd rounder in the draft.
Post by: davebear on March 13, 2018, 09:42:31 am
We just need to sign a guy with some speed. I wonder if Paul Richardson from Seattle or Montcrief from KC who have been linked to the Bears are fast.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2018, 09:53:56 am
My bad its Wilson to the Fins
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 10:18:11 am
Bears are desperate at wide receiver. They have the cap so the reward outweighs the risk.
I don't know how much contact teams can have with FA - you'd like to think they ran him through a physical of some sort. He probably only had reconstruction about 6 months ago...like Meridith.
So my guess is that Kevin White is probably the one who's ready to play now. But we do have Josh Bellamy signed.
Feel better?
Post by: wmljohn on March 13, 2018, 10:20:26 am
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Ah yes, Logic and Laport - it was really crazy when on of the IDs would backup the other's position.
Not sure if they actually talked to each other - that would have been weird...er.
Yes they did talk to each other. They used to back each others opinions up when someone would disagree with them.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 10:49:10 am
Wow! Burton's not a Shaheen type TE but it does tell you what they thought of our basketball playing 2nd rounder. He's not ready.
Burton is more of a receiver type like Miller. Fast.
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 10:55:27 am
OK, Pace lets get some defense. Seeing how Pace likes 24/25 year old FAs....how about OLB Aaron Lynch of the 49ers. Fangio connection and he's coming off an injury.
Perfect.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2018, 10:59:41 am
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 11:05:27 am
Jags got Norwell and Cowboys are going to tender Irving - so he'd cost you at least a 2nd rounder.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2018, 11:19:02 am
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 11:48:42 am
Moncrief.
There are other FA guards in the NFL that can compete with Jordan Morgan for LG. Also can't rule out a FA center signing.
Pace will go bargain shopping once the FA frenzy ends...but not yet - we need some D.
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Post by: boogie on March 13, 2018, 12:43:31 pm
The Bears continued their aggressive early work in free agency, and they just have to hope it works out better than last year’s.
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Bears are signing Dolphins kicker Cody Parkey.
The Bears finished up last year with Mike Nugent, but only after they plowed through a number of other alternatives.
In Parkey, they found a young (26) and accurate (21-of-23 field goals last year) kicker, which could offer some stability.
The Bears have also struck deals with wide receiver Allen Robinson and tight end Trey Burton, which seems encouraging. But after General Manager Ryan Pace struck out last year with Mike Glennon and Markus Wheaton, he needs to be right this offseason or he won’t get to make many more splurges.
Post by: Pekin on March 13, 2018, 01:25:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5StA9my3c8&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 02:14:26 pm
He kind of reminds me of a #15 we had a couple years ago with his ability to snatch balls out of the air.
Post by: VJ on March 13, 2018, 03:25:43 pm
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2018, 03:31:22 pm
Bears all of a sudden have some speed on offense. We just better not lead the league in hamstring pulls.
OK, time for some D.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2018, 03:45:18 pm
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Taylor Gabriel going to the Bears, 4 year deal
Wow, a genuine midgit
Post by: davebear on March 13, 2018, 04:12:29 pm
Sending him deep opens up the field for the other receivers.
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They still have Marcus Cooper as a backup...an expensive backup. Plus they need to move Deiondre Hall back to corner - not sure why they made him a safety.
Somewhat less likely now to draft Ward at 8, though you'd like to see Fuller sign a deal. I think we'll still take a corner with one of the first 4 picks.
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Post by: method on March 14, 2018, 10:27:29 am
Bears also bringing back Sam Acho on a 2-year deal...
Bless you dave.
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 10:57:57 am
I really like the re-signing of Acho as he was just out of contract. I hope they are looking at getting Willie Young back - maybe for a 1 year deal. He was effective last year until he had the arm injury.
Acho is a solid backup/ST type but I wouldn't want to have to line him up as a starter.
Free Willie!
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Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 11:50:35 am
We still have the next wave of free agency which is just now starting.
Bears will need to snag a backup corner, a starting OLB, and a starting guard/center. Also throw in a backup NT and a backup WR...maybe Inman.
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Post by: wmljohn on March 14, 2018, 02:56:44 pm
Anyone want that headache? He seems to have calmed down the last couple of years.
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 03:05:35 pm
I'll take the headache and that he's 31. But his contract will just about blow up any team's cap.
He'd sure look nice anywhere on our d-line though. You could just rush 3 and drop 8.
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2018, 03:09:17 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2018, 03:21:49 pm
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 04:16:19 pm
— What it means: Though nothing is official yet, Wheaton, who is owed a $5 million base salary for 2018, was made expendable by the Bears’ signings of wide receivers Allen Robinson and Taylor Gabriel and their tenders to Cameron Meredith and Josh Bellamy.
He signed a two-year, $11 million contract with the Bears last March. But he totaled just three catches for 51 yards in 2017, his fifth season in the NFL. He was slowed in training camp after undergoing an appendectomy and then breaking his little finger. He suffered a groin injury midseason and never quite got on the same page as quarterback Mitch Trubisky upon his return.
OK, there weren't any WRs that got on the same page with Trubisky last year. I don't think Wheaton got much of a chance last year and I think the Bears could use another backup WR with some speed. But at a $5M base, they could probably use those funds on a starting guard or OLB.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2018, 04:30:13 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 04:39:00 pm
G/T Justin Pugh(27) Giants
C Ryan Jensen(26) Ravens
G Jack Mewhort (26) Colts
And we also have Kush and Morgan.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2018, 04:50:07 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2018, 04:53:39 pm
Who is that going to scare? Better figure out who that is going to fool before the draft?
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2018, 05:53:10 pm
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 05:54:50 pm
Kush is depth at G/C - Morgan could start or go to the practice squad. Sowell can play guard too.
But given Long's situation we definitely need a guy we can pencil in at LG that is either a phenom rookie (read Nelson) or a quality FA with experience. And they ain't cheap.
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2018, 05:56:06 pm
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 06:05:34 pm
Underappreciated. Pace clearly wants to get younger at that spot. Good for Unrein though.
They're better pass rushers but let's see if Ballard and Robertson-Harris can stop the run.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
And we also have Kush and Morgan.
Who is that going to scare? Better figure out who that is going to fool before the draft?
How long is a hungry Monkey gonna be fooled by a plastic banana?
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 08:26:23 pm
You know what scares people? A guy opposite #94 with just as much explosion. Yeah, that's what scares OCs and QBs.
We got to find that guy.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2018, 09:29:41 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2018, 10:57:48 pm
I don't think he's assuming Nelson is going to be there and just plans to draft someone in the 4th round and let him battle Morgan or Kush for the job.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2018, 08:42:01 am
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Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2018, 06:20:33 pm
Fangio gets his OLB from the 49ers...Aaron Lynch!
If he can stay healthy - watch out.
Post by: davebear on March 15, 2018, 09:28:43 pm
At times he was unblockable. i don't know what happened he last couple of years.
http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Highlights_Allen_Robinson/a9f5dae9-08a8-41ef-baa3-88110c7256ff
Post by: VJ on March 15, 2018, 10:42:35 pm
Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2018, 11:02:48 pm
Yeah, they need to fix that - I think he played 5 years with the 49ers.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 16, 2018, 05:39:00 am
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2018, 02:31:59 pm
Absolutely correct. No argument. But Nelson is so far different and far ahead of the rest. He instantly makes your team better without putting the pads on. Sounds crazy but true. I believe he is destined for Canton before he puts his pads on. And if you can get a differencemaker at #8 you get him. The problem is we have other needs too. Lets see if Pace signs a OG before the draft. If you want an all pro Oline definitely Nelson is who you want. I watched Wynns from Georgia and he is no slouch either. Excellent player. But I wouldnt pass on Nelson if he is there @ #8. The 19 year old phenom LB from Virginia Tech has me very intrigued. He has been compared to Urlacker. Urlacker is a 1st ballot HOFer. Tough decision. Which is the greater need?
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2018, 02:37:42 pm
https://dawindycity.com/2018/03/15/chicago-bears-pursue-michael-crabtree/
It sure wouldnt hurt to kick the tires.
Post by: method on March 16, 2018, 04:20:48 pm
Post by: Pekin on March 16, 2018, 05:03:33 pm
However the Packers do not have a lot of cap room. Especially since they have to make Rodgers the highest paid player in NFL history soon.
If they dumped a ton of money on Fuller I say let them have him. If it is a fair deal then by all means keep him. Just don't get played by the Packers.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/16/packers-sign-kyle-fuller-to-offer-sheet/
Post by: dallasbear on March 16, 2018, 05:08:36 pm
Making the packers pay the contract does not hurt them.
Post by: octagon on March 16, 2018, 07:01:39 pm
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Post by: Pekin on March 16, 2018, 07:33:06 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/16/kyle-fuller-gets-4-million-more-per-year-than-bears-had-offered/
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 16, 2018, 08:05:28 pm
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CB Kyle Fuller $14M
WR Allen Robinson $14M
DE Akiem Hicks $12M
RG Kyle Long $10M
LT Charles Leno $9.25M
CB Prince Amukamara $9M
TE Trey Burton $8M
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I am not sure Kyle Fuller is a top 5 CB in the league. However with our cap situation I can understand why we spent the money.
Post by: dallasbear on March 16, 2018, 08:23:02 pm
As for Fuller, I'm not a capologist, I'll leave that to the experts. But I'm thinking, does the amount of the contract significantly hurt the Bears or does it just hurt the McCaskey's. Bonuses can be spread out over the life of the deal even though they may be paid up front. Fuller is 26 and could easily last 2 maybe 3 or more years of the deal. And they can always restructure any contract.
What this shows is the Packers weakness in their secondary and there concern for an up an coming threat from the Bears who right now are an interior lineman and a pass rushing OLB away from fielding a pretty good team in 2018.
But the real key about adding all these weapons, especially on offense, is that it comes down to one guy being able to take advantage and produce.
Post by: dallasbear on March 16, 2018, 08:28:41 pm
I am not sure Kyle Fuller is a top 5 CB in the league. However with our cap situation I can understand why we spent the money.
Maybe, maybe not. But he was among the top 2 or 3 in passes defended in the NFL. I don't know what his PFF grade was but I'd bet he was near the top 10.
And if the Bears don't sign him they get more money to sign some also ran leftover FA and possibly HAVE to take a corner with the 8th pick in the draft. And the Pack fill a big hole on their defense.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 17, 2018, 05:36:36 am
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Post by: dallasbear on March 17, 2018, 12:41:22 pm
Not all TEs are the same. There are blocking TEs and receiving TEs. Simms and Shaheen are traditional, while Burton, Brown and Braunecker are receiver types.
Chiefs offense has a lot of dual TE formations so the Bears can go big with Shaheen and Sims, plus each can backup the other for injuries.
Post by: Dave23 on March 20, 2018, 05:19:22 pm
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 23, 2018, 06:58:19 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 24, 2018, 06:13:50 am
OLB, DE, OG, WR in draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 24, 2018, 06:16:20 am
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2018, 09:08:27 am
I believe the kid from Iowa State who got into a bar fight is likely to be suspended by the league, so maybe we dont have enough CBs.
Post by: davebear on March 24, 2018, 11:03:03 am
I don't think it has any impact on the draft. You need 5 corners.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2018, 11:07:17 am
Post by: davebear on March 24, 2018, 11:10:15 am
If they had not they would have 4
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2018, 12:03:51 pm
Deiondre Hall
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Post by: navigator on March 25, 2018, 11:37:06 am
Let's say Meredith thinks he is worth 5m per year but we are only offering 3M, he might feels insulted, play out the year and leave mad. By keeping it.low, other teams can make offers and he can see what his market is.
Post by: dallasbear on March 25, 2018, 12:59:48 pm
Retaining Marcus Cooper on his preview 3 year deal would not have been a good move. Re-signing Cooper on a 1 year deal is not bad.
Bears need depth and he provides it. However, this does not mean the Bears just check off the box for corner back and ignore it in the draft.
They still need one, the signing off Akumora and Fuller prevented this from being a desperate round 1 and/or round 2 move. But now they can look at 4th or 5th rounders possibly.
And Callahan is a slot guy. Mincy is interesting - he didn't make it in the NFL early in his career but was quite the player in Canada. May make the team as a backup or may just be camp fodder.
Post by: dallasbear on March 25, 2018, 01:02:45 pm
As for Meridith. We signed Robinson to a huge contract with him coming off an ACL injury. Why do you think teams would have ignored Meridith coming off the same injury? Granted he's not going to get the same deal but he's worth a deal.
Bears knew what they were doing. They can now secure Meridith for a reasonable amount long term now rather than having him walk next year as a FA.
This assumes that teams don't go crazy with their offer AND the Bears have the salary cap room to match.
Post by: navigator on March 25, 2018, 01:49:52 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/to-hell-and-back-why-bears-feel-confident-after-landing-our-guy-matt-nagy/amp/
Post by: Pekin on March 26, 2018, 04:02:57 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2018, 04:21:49 pm
Nelson hopes the Bears draft him.
Post by: VJ on March 31, 2018, 12:54:42 am
Post by: davebear on April 01, 2018, 05:32:58 pm
Bears trade Trubisk, Howard their first round pick for
teddy Brisgewater????!!!!????
Post by: Pekin on April 01, 2018, 05:52:19 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2018, 06:11:36 pm
Post by: boogie on April 03, 2018, 01:27:42 pm
Unlike his first four seasons, he won’t be spending the offseason in Arizona. Watford tweeted out “GSH” on Tuesday and it’s apparently not a coincidence that he went with the initials of Bears founder George S. Halas a day after visiting the Bears.
Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that Watford is set to sign in Chicago. Watford joined Arizona in 2013 and started 12 games for the Bears in 2015 and 2016 before signing with the Jaguars as a free agent last year. He returned to the Cardinals after being released and started nine more games.
Watford, Eric Kush and Jordan Morgan should be in the mix to start at left guard for the Bears with the draft offering the possibility of adding another option as well.
Post by: dallasbear on April 03, 2018, 02:33:53 pm
Hey Pace, we still need some bodies at OLB.
Post by: WshflThinking on April 03, 2018, 03:53:34 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kyle-long-neck-surgery-20180403-story.html
A healthy Long would be super.
Post by: WshflThinking on April 03, 2018, 04:02:12 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-expected-sign-earl-watford-180212981.html
I sure hope his weight has changed from 295 that I read.
Post by: WshflThinking on April 03, 2018, 04:04:22 pm
Height: 6' 4" Weight: 295 lb.
Position played: T
Born: June 24, 1990 (age 27), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
College: James Madison
Draft: 2013 4th round (19th pick) by the Arizona Cardinals
Salary: $2,000,000
Post by: dallasbear on April 03, 2018, 04:10:56 pm
Don't tell me that you think guards have to be a certain weight to be effective - don't go Logic on us. Do you have any issues with free agents?
(BTW I think he put on 5 lbs so he's good to go).
Post by: dallasbear on April 03, 2018, 04:11:30 pm
Bears sign Bennie Cunningham!!!!
Nice job Pace - now free Willie!
Post by: WshflThinking on April 03, 2018, 04:31:51 pm
Don't tell me that you think guards have to be a certain weight to be effective - don't go Logic on us. Do you have any issues with free agents?
(BTW I think he put on 5 lbs so he's good to go).
NO.....but like 3-4 DE's at 250 is light, OGs lighter than 300 is light. They just get overpowered. We've seen that at Center too......just saying. Everything has gotten bigger. The game is evolving.
Post by: davebear on April 03, 2018, 05:55:22 pm
Bears sign Bennie Cunningham!!!!
Nice job Pace - now free Willie!
I'ld like to see Meredith and Inman resigned.
Post by: dallasbear on April 04, 2018, 01:24:02 am
I guess Meridith never received that contract that the Bears had to decide whether to match.
Inman would be a solid 3 but he may be too old for Pace at 29.
Post by: guest77 on April 05, 2018, 11:18:39 am
https://dawindycity.com/2018/04/04/chicago-bears-jordan-howard-instagram/
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 06, 2018, 07:56:41 pm
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OK, Cam Meredith has Saints offer, 2 years, $10 mil. If knee is sound expect Bears to match & keep him. They have plenty of cap space, still only makes him 13th highest paid on team, less $ than FA’s Gabriel & Burton getting & he’s the only #2 WR they have. Seems like easy call?
Post by: octagon on April 06, 2018, 09:04:49 pm
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 07, 2018, 09:13:46 pm
"The Bears continue to keep players who were part of their defense in 2017.
Defensive lineman John Jenkins has re-signed with the Bears, the team announced on Saturday."
Post by: dallasbear on April 07, 2018, 11:20:46 pm
Jenkins is a body that plays NT - he can be upgraded with a 5th or 6th rounder.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 08, 2018, 06:01:48 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 08, 2018, 06:07:02 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/06/details-of-cameron-merediths-offer-sheet-from-saints/
"The deal is for two years and $9.6 million plus incentives, with $5.4 million in guaranteed money according to NFL insider Ian Rapoport.
Meredith was set to earn just over $1.9 million on the original-round tender the Bears offered him. They could have instead gone with a second-round tender that would have paid him $2.9 million and virtually eliminated the chance of an offer sheet."
Post by: VJ on April 09, 2018, 06:49:03 am
Post by: VJ on April 09, 2018, 07:08:31 am
In two seasons Howard has amassed more than 2400 yards on the ground and 15 touchdowns, averaging 4.6 yards a clip.
Running by second and third-string offensive linemen.
Running without the luxury of a passing attack.
Running hurt for nearly HALF those games.
Howard also has 52 catches in that time. Ezekiel Elliot has 58.
Post by: navigator on April 09, 2018, 03:50:03 pm
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Post by: boogie on April 11, 2018, 02:52:23 pm
Post by: boogie on April 11, 2018, 02:52:50 pm
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Bears have chosen to not match the restricted free agent offer sheet Cameron Meredith signed with the Saints.
That means Meredith will get a two-year, $10 million deal to join the Saints, and try to rebound after a season lost to injury.
Meredith wasn’t able to build on a productive 2016 because of a torn ACL in the preseason.
Now he gets to join one of the most accurate passers in the league, and a high-powered offense. It could also signal the departure of Saints RFA wideout Willie Snead, who visited the Ravens but hasn’t gotten an offer sheet yet.
The Bears don’t get any compensation since Meredith was tendered at the lowest level. And because of the uncertainty about his knee, they didn’t want to guarantee a higher tender in order to secure his services or a draft pick.
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2018, 02:53:04 pm
Guess we add WR to our priority draft list.
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2018, 03:48:26 pm
Trib:
What makes this situation such a compelling drama is that the Saints have reached more favorable conclusions about the viability of Meredith’s knee. Here we have the Bears’ medical staff against the Saints’ in a heads-up, chips-in-the-middle, show-your-cards faceoff.
Post by: Pekin on April 11, 2018, 04:06:48 pm
Post by: boogie on April 11, 2018, 04:13:53 pm
Chicago’s decision to not match offer sheet that WR Cameron Meredith signed with the Saints was mainly a medical decision. Meredith is coming off a torn ACL and MCL, and Bears were hesitant to commit that much to a player coming off such a serious knee injury.
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2018, 04:18:41 pm
Bears didn't want to have their 2 starting wide receivers both coming off season ending ACL reconstructions.
Post by: Pekin on April 11, 2018, 04:25:42 pm
https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Bolt/Bears-predicted-to-be-the-Cinderella-Story-of-2018-116975829
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2018, 05:01:36 pm
I skip over articles that have titles proclaiming that the new Bears offense is a perfect fit for Trubisky or that Nagy is this offensive genius or Robinson will have a monster season in the Bears' scheme.
Too old I guess.
Post by: davebear on April 11, 2018, 06:40:37 pm
"
the Odd Couple" the papers called them. Douglas never got better.
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2018, 09:35:29 pm
Meridith now a Saint.
Guess we add WR to our priority draft list.
Now I see how Ridley danced into the discussion.
Post by: Sportster on April 12, 2018, 03:02:47 am
Post by: chifaninva on April 12, 2018, 04:53:24 am
Yep, I know what you mean (about Bears doctors).
Bears didn't want to have their 2 starting wide receivers both coming off season ending ACL reconstructions.
That's the way I see it..
Post by: dallasbear on April 12, 2018, 11:27:56 am
Not concerned with losing Meredith. Bears can do a whole lot better.....
Yeah, like they did last year.
If Robinson goes down you have Bellamy and Kevin White as your starters. And next year, regardless what Kevin White does there's a good chance he's gone too.
As far as need goes I'd rank WR right up there with LG and OLB.
Just hoping Pace knows that Meridith will never be the same WR as he was in 2016 - because that's what he is saying when he didn't match the Saints offer.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 12, 2018, 07:38:53 pm
I have been very supportive of Pace till now. That was a bone head move....unless Meredith does not play this year because of the knee.
Post by: Pekin on April 12, 2018, 08:07:05 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on April 13, 2018, 11:49:31 am
Meridith is not the next Jerry Rice but he was a young productive receiver that just walked out the door. And everyone is already putting Robinson in the pro-bowl so they think we're just fine at wideout.
Anyway, I'll hold my criticism figuring that Pace had inside info from our medical team about Meridith's recovery.
Post by: dallasbear on April 13, 2018, 11:51:49 am
I wonder if Dez Bryant will accept a broken-down FA 1 year deal for NFL minimum and incentives.
Post by: WshflThinking on April 13, 2018, 01:21:57 pm
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 13, 2018, 08:28:15 pm
Post by: boogie on April 13, 2018, 08:37:47 pm
There’s been little buzz around free agent quarterback Mark Sanchez, and a looming suspension may be the reason.
Sanchez has been suspended for the first four games of the 2018 season, the NFL announced.
The suspension was for a violation of the league policy on performance-enhancing substances.
Sanchez spent the 2017 season in Chicago but never got on the field, staying behind first Mike Glennon and then Mitch Trubisky. A year earlier he played in Dallas. His last start was in 2015 with the Eagles.
The only team known to have shown interest in Sanchez this offseason is the Seahawks, where he could be reunited with his college coach, Pete Carroll. It’s unclear whether the suspension is the reason the Seahawks didn’t sign him after reports last month that they were considering him as Russell Wilson‘s backup.
If Sanchez signs with a team, he can work with them throughout the offseason program, training camp and the preseason, but he would have to miss the first four games of the regular season.
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Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2018, 11:37:23 am
Typical Pace signing - 26/27 year old - one year deal
BTW Free Willie!
Post by: dallasbear on April 17, 2018, 09:54:03 pm
Tribune: "The Bears are looking to convert defensive lineman Rashaad Coward to an offensive lineman"
OK, who was the last Bear that was converted from D-line to O-line and started a number of years?
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Post by: Bears4Ever on April 19, 2018, 08:22:40 am
Glad he and Forte are retiring as Bears. Now if the Bears had only won that damn Manning Superbowl......
Post by: VJ on April 19, 2018, 02:31:01 pm
Post by: dallasbear on April 19, 2018, 03:08:05 pm
Prediction: Lions and Vikings don't come to Soldier Field in December.
Post by: Dave23 on April 19, 2018, 03:16:46 pm
Post by: Pekin on April 19, 2018, 05:48:58 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/bears-sign-marlon-brown/
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Post by: VJ on May 01, 2018, 12:02:15 pm
(https://i2.wp.com/dabearsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Bears-2018-FA-depth-chart-1.png)
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Post by: dallasbear on May 01, 2018, 02:30:26 pm
Grasu is injury insurance, nothing more.
And, I think Ryan Nall should switch to FB.
Kevin Tolliver or Michael Joseph. I think one of those guys just might make the team.
I won't comment on Kevin White being put on the 2nd team.
Post by: boogie on May 02, 2018, 07:47:03 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/05/someone-else-may-be-guilty-of-letting-cameron-meredith-get-away/
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2018, 10:05:24 am
I would hope that Pace's decision was based on medical info and not on finances. Bears had plenty of cap but there is actual dollars that would have to be spent in matching that Meridith contract and possibly Phillips wanted to slow down all the FA spending. But if that was the case why not just assign Meridith the 2nd round tender for $1M more and be don with it.
Many Bear fans have complained over the years about the Bears being cheap. And in fact, that's really not been the case...
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 02, 2018, 12:09:05 pm
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Post by: VJ on May 02, 2018, 04:58:27 pm
Concern over the depth chart at outside linebacker and the pass rush was overwhelmingly the most popular topic this week, and that is understandable. It’s a fair question, but I think there has been some overreaction, and some faith in defensive coordinator Vic Fangio is probably needed.
First, let’s take inventory of the pass rush from last season, how it did and what’s missing from that group. The Bears had 42 sacks in 2017, their most since they had 48 all the way back in 2001, and that ranked tied for seventh in the NFL. With two more sacks the Bears would have been fifth, and they were only six behind the vaunted Rams defense. So not that far off from some of the best defenses in the league.
Gone from that group are five players who combined for 14½ sacks — Lamarr Houston (4), Pernell McPhee (4), Mitch Unrein (2½), Willie Young (2) and Christian Jones (2). Jones is the only player who logged major playing time last season (58.9 percent of the snaps), and that was because of injuries to Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan. Unrein was on the field for 36.8 percent of the snaps. McPhee had 36.4 percent, and Houston (21.4 percent) and Young (11.3 percent) played small roles. So we’re not talking about replacing a ton of playing time either.
What jumps out is the Bears wound up with three of the top 51 picks in the draft and they didn’t address what was, going into the draft, their greatest need. That being said, I don’t believe they had enough picks to satisfy every need, at least not that high. I say that because there would have been questions had they not added pieces to the interior of the offensive line, wide receiver and inside linebacker. They were going to be light at one of those spots and it wound up being outside linebacker, which makes sense from the standpoint that it was a particularly weak position in the draft. The player that sort of stands out is Boston College’s Harold Landry, who slipped — reportedly because of some medical concerns and a poor final season — to No. 41 overall when the Titans scooped him up. If Landry is a major producer in Tennessee, the Bears will have missed on that one. They drafted Iowa offensive lineman James Daniels at No. 39.
The Bears do a nice job of getting some pass rush push from their interior players in the sub package. Akiem Hicks led the team with 8½ sacks, and while Eddie Goldman had only 1½ sacks, he had 16 combined quarterback hurries and knockdowns and helps collapse the pocket. They have effectively replaced McPhee with Aaron Lynch, who has familiarity with the Fangio and the scheme. It’s also important to note that Sam Acho is coming off what was easily his best season since his rookie year in 2011. Acho played with more confidence last season and the Bears’ belief in him was reflected in the contract he signed after he played on minimum deals for three consecutive years. I imagine Acho will have the first shot at nailing down a starting job in the base defense and Lynch will have an opportunity to work into the rotation.
If one of Isaiah Irving, Howard Jones or sixth-round draft pick Kylie Fitts can emerge, Fangio will have another piece to plug into the pass rush. In an ideal world would the Bears have more and exciting options to pair with Leonard Floyd? No question. But the position was lacking in free agency and the talent pool was shallow in the draft, and it’s not like they’re trying to replace one player who had 14½ sacks last year or two players who had seven sacks apiece in 2017. They need to account for five role players who made modest contributions to the pass rush. If you believe in Fangio and what he can do schematically, there is reason to believe this isn’t analogous to the wide receiver situation in 2017 or the cornerback situation in 2016. Will there be a focus on the position group and needs throughout the year? Most likely. Will the Bears be monitoring potential options that become available? I’d be very surprised if they were not. Will this position group hold the team back from success in 2018? I think that’s a bit of an extreme take.
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2018, 05:28:26 pm
Can't disagree too much with Briggs. Yes, the Bears had multiple holes that needed filling and not a whole lot of ammo. And yes, the edge rusher draft class was kind of light. This was evident because both the Lions and Packers also had edge rusher needs and weren't able to fill them.
But don't tell me that Sam Acho should be the starter and expect me to me satisfied or hold out hope that Isaiah Irving, Howard Jones or the rookie Fitts will emerge simply because Fangio will out scheme opponents.
Lynch and the rest of the guys have youth going for them so maybe somebody surprises us, but I agree with Briggs that we haven't seen the end of the talent being brought in at the OLB position.
Meanwhile, I'll be keeping an eye on the careers of Tremaine Edwards, Marcus Davenport, Harold Landry, Lorenzo Carter and Josh Sweat.
Post by: Dave23 on May 02, 2018, 06:03:42 pm
Post by: davebear on May 02, 2018, 10:50:39 pm
I like Acho s a special teams and giving the starters a breather but the guy takes horrible angles on the runs off tackle.
If something doesn't rise to the top in training camp they'll need to consider a trade.
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2018, 10:57:28 pm
I really like Acho and his ability to play the run. He's tough to move and has enough speed to get to the edge. And he always gives great effort on the pass rush, though that's not his strength. He's a guy if you had to you could play on 1st or 2nd down but you'd take him out on passing downs.
And I really liked Jerrell Freeman too. I thought he was a better run stopper than Trevathan. I didn't see why he retired - maybe the concussions?
Post by: VJ on May 03, 2018, 12:57:01 am
Meanwhile, I'll be keeping an eye on the careers of Tremaine Edwards, Marcus Davenport, Harold Landry, Lorenzo Carter and Josh Sweat.
add Da'Shawn Hand to the watch list. Would be interesting if Shane Ray became available.
Post by: Dave23 on May 03, 2018, 09:29:19 am
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2018, 09:39:55 am
Dante Fowler is still 23. Played in 16 games each of the last 2 seasons, but with only 1 start. 4 sacks in 2016 - 8 sacks in 2017.
I guess the Jaguars are expecting cap issues.
Post by: navigator on May 03, 2018, 10:21:18 am
Post by: boogie on May 03, 2018, 10:44:37 am
Roquan Smith: 58
James Daniels: 68
Anthony Miller: 17
Joel Iyiegbuniwe: 45
Bilal Nichols: 98
Kylie Fitts: 49
Javon Wims: 83
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2018, 11:23:26 am
Roquan Smith: 58 OK
James Daniels: 68 OK
Anthony Miller: 17 OK (I'm sure he knows that's Jefferies old #)
Joel Iyiegbuniwe: 45 needs a 50s number - 52 Anderson 53 Timu, 55 Grasu - one or more of these will be available
Bilal Nichols: 98 OK
Kylie Fitts: 49 needs a 50s number (see above) or a 90s number - Nick Willams has 97, but I expect Willie Young will take that when he's signed
Javon Wims: 83 OK a WR with a WR number not a QB #
Also noticed that Aaron Lynch is 99, Taylor Gabriel 18, Allen Robinson 12, Bennie Fowler 13, Tyler Bray 9, Chase Daniel 4, Cody Parkey 1
Post by: boogie on May 03, 2018, 12:35:16 pm
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Post by: Sportster on May 03, 2018, 08:29:36 pm
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2018, 10:05:13 pm
Hope he can blitz better than those guys...
Post by: Sportster on May 04, 2018, 12:32:47 am
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Post by: VJ on May 07, 2018, 03:10:16 pm
Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2018, 03:14:07 pm
Playbook at this point is pretty vanilla, even through preseason. The more critical information is released days before each NFL game as coaches gameplan their opponent.
Post by: Pekin on May 11, 2018, 12:21:12 am
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2018, 08:09:49 am
Post by: dallasbear on May 11, 2018, 09:22:07 am
I don't know why he wasn't - probably just waiting for 1 thru 7 to fall in line.
But with all the QBs drafted early the slotted numbers may be inflating.
Really looking forward to hearing about the 2 rookie wideouts and the UDFA corners - all the rest of the positions are difficult too evaluate with underwear-only practices.
Post by: davebear on May 11, 2018, 09:32:57 am
Imagine what they have if a corner goes down long term.
Post by: dallasbear on May 11, 2018, 09:37:25 am
Even worse...if Floyd goes down.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 11, 2018, 10:04:04 am
Post by: dallasbear on May 11, 2018, 11:11:12 am
You're right, WHEN Calahan is in there you notice the difference - he makes plays.
Looking forward to seeing what we got in CBs: Tolliver, Joseph and Fant.
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2018, 01:00:13 pm
Halas Hall was teeming with activity Thursday as 70 NFL hopefuls from across the country arrived throughout the day for the start of Bears rookie minicamp.
The group included seven draft picks, 15 undrafted free agents and five first-year Bears players as well as 35 unsigned rookies and eight unsigned veterans who will participate in the minicamp on a tryout basis, hoping to earn a contract.
"It's amazing, just getting in, finally getting here and seeing all the guys," said first-round pick Roquan Smith, a linebacker from Georgia. "I'm excited to get to work with a lot of the other guys that are here. I'm excited to learn things and just get going."
After arriving at Halas Hall, the prospects filled out paperwork, got fitted for equipment, received iPads loaded with video and their playbooks and took medical exams.
They gathered in the facility's cafeteria for a dinner that included lobster tail and spent an hour listening intently while being addressed by seven former Bears players. Alex Brown, Jay Hilgenberg, Steve McMichael, Marcus Robinson, Charles Tillman, Bob Wetoska and James "Big Cat" Williams all discussed what it meant to play for the organization and the importance of taking advantage of every opportunity.
The rookie minicamp will consist of practices on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. The players will be shuttled from a hotel to Halas Hall at 6:45 a.m. and make the return trip at 6 p.m. In between they will practice and attend meetings. The workouts are open to the media, but not the public.
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Rookies arrive at Halas Hall
"This weekend it's just work; give it all you've got each and every play," said second-round pick Anthony Miller, a receiver from Memphis "Even though I was a second-round pick, I'm going to work like I was undrafted, like I was a free agent. You're going to get the same thing out of me that you got when I was in Memphis."
Here are the players who are slated to participate in the rookie minicamp:
Draft picks (7): Smith, Miller, second-round offensive lineman James Daniels, fourth-round inside linebacker Joel Iyiegbuniwe, fifth-round defensive end Bilal Nichols, sixth-round outside linebacker Kylie Fitts and seventh-round receiver Javon Wims.
Undrafted free agents (15): Hawaii offensive lineman Dejon Allen, Bucknell defensive lineman Abdullah Anderson, Indiana defensive back Rashard Fant, Kentucky receiver Garrett Johnson, Dubuque cornerback Michael Joseph, Notre Dame linebacker Nyles Morgan, Oregon State running back Ryan Nall, Shepherd linebacker Elijah Norris, TCU safety Nick Orr, West Georgia receiver Shaq Roland, Old Dominion defensive end Bunni Rotimi, LSU cornerback Kevin Toliver II, Notre Dame linebacker Andrew Trumbelli, Maryland defensive lineman Cavon Walker and Pittsburgh punter Ryan Winslow.
Bears first-year pros (5): Defensive back Jonathon Mincy; offensive linemen Travis Averill, Brandon Greene and Will Pericak; and tight end Colin Thompson.
Unsigned veterans (8): Quarterbacks Trevor Knight and Aaron Murray; cornerback Antwon Blake; tackles Donald Hawkins and Matt McCants; offensive lineman Francis Kallon; receiver Gio Pascascio and defensive lineman Kendall Reyes.
Unsigned rookies (35): Quarterback Bryan Schor; running backs Kobe McCrary and Nick Wilson; fullback Melvin Vaughn; receivers Ashton Grant, Matt Fleming, Matt Vandeberg, Jumill Hornsby, Khris Gardin and Brandon Shed; offensive linemen Jake Krause, Jeremi Hall, Julian Bertero and Lavonte Hights; tight ends George Frazier, Jonathan Wolf, Regis Cibasu and Gelen Robinson; defensive lineman Corey Thomas; , linebackers T.J. McCollum, Garrett Hudson, Ro'Derrick Hoskins, James Crawford, Caylon Weathers and Sione Teuhema; defensive backs Terrell Bonds, Delondo Boyd, Tyrin Holloway, Tafon Mainsah, Josh Woods., Jaleel Wadood, Maurice McKnight and John Franklin III; kicker Austin MacGinnis; and long-snapper James Fisher.
Post by: davebear on May 11, 2018, 01:36:17 pm
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Post by: boogie on May 14, 2018, 02:53:39 pm
Chicago signed receiver Matt Fleming, defensive back John Franklin III, offensive lineman Jeremi Hall, defensive back Tyrin Holloway and offensive lineman Matt McCants. They cut offensive lineman Travis Averill, linebacker Howard Jones, offensive lineman Cameron Lee and linebacker Nyles Morgan.
The Giants made McCants a sixth-round pick in 2012. He spent most of his rookie season on the practice squad, but the Giants waived him before the start of the 2013 season.
He also has spent time with the Raiders, Browns and Bears, playing 28 games with three starts. All three of his starts came with the Raiders at right tackle in 2013.
Franklin played quarterback and receiver during his college career, which included stops at Florida State, Auburn and FAU.
Holloway transferred to Western Illinois after three years at Liberty and made three interceptions in four games he played there.
Hall started 25 games at left guard for South Florida the past two years.
Fleming bypassed his final season at Benedictine University, where he also was a track and field star. He caught 45 passes for 731 yards and 10 touchdowns last season at the Division III school.
Post by: dallasbear on May 14, 2018, 04:19:30 pm
But the Bears desperately need outside pass rushers to emerge. On paper, it’s not an impressive group:
† The Bears’ decision to sign Lynch to a one-year, $4 million contract is intriguing because of his previous success with Fangio, but he’s still a wild card who had 2½ sacks over his last two seasons with the 49ers.
† Acho earned a two-year contract after making 40 tackles and getting three sacks last season, which included 12 starts. But Acho’s three sacks were his most since he had four in 2012 with the Cardinals.
† Jones still needs to prove that his torn anterior cruciate ligament from November 2016 is behind him. The five sacks he had in 2015 for the Buccaneers were a long time ago. Jones had one sack in five games last year for the Bears.
† Irving, an undrafted free-agent signing last year, excelled late in exhibition games as a rookie, but he still cleared waivers and joined the practice squad. He finished 2017 on injured reserve with a knee injury.
† Floyd isn’t a sure thing, either. The 2016 first-round pick’s potential and athleticism are obvious. But similar to Fitts, Floyd needs to stay on the field. Concussions
Howard Jones has been cut. And Lynch, Floyd, and Fitts are coming off multiple years of injuries.
Post by: boogie on May 15, 2018, 08:44:09 am
Post by: dallasbear on May 15, 2018, 10:01:38 am
Interesting idea about picking up fringe edge rushers. I'm wondering why we didn't sign the top UDFA edge rushers with our huge need at the position.
I like this Erik Lambert - here's another article from him that shares my thoughts exactly:
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/05/bears-make-yet-another-baffling-move-at-edge-rusher/
Howard Jones is all of 28 - which is old for Pace. Apparently they saw enough from the rookies/UDFAs that they felt Jones was expendable. I think they need one more guy. Someone to provide insurance for Lynch and to let Fitts develop. And I like Sam Acho, but he's not that guy and neither are these practice squad guys from other teams.
Post by: navigator on May 15, 2018, 12:33:56 pm
Post by: dallasbear on May 15, 2018, 03:00:20 pm
Maybe, but before we replace Trevathan with 4th rounder Joel Iyiegbuniwe at ILB lets review Pace's 4th round picks:
2017
Tarik Cohen - not a starter but valuable weapon on offense
Eddie Jackson - quality starter
2016
Nick Kwiatkoski - so good they drafted 2 replacements at his position this year
Deon Bush - started a handful of games due to injuries - showed nothing
Deiondre Hall - hasn't really done anything yet beside look good in preseason games
2015
Jeremy Langford - IRd in 2017 - FA in 2018
Kind of early to start projecting ANY rookie.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 16, 2018, 04:53:47 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 20, 2018, 08:38:43 am
great block by Miller
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2018, 04:44:24 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/20/bears-ol-already-loves-new-coach-harry-hiestand-hes-getting-us-better/
Post by: chifaninva on May 27, 2018, 11:35:39 am
Post by: boogie on May 31, 2018, 08:16:24 am
This point in each of the last three offseasons has been marked by positives in the direction of Kevin White. Even the first one, in 2015, before White’s stress fracture had been diagnosed conclusively, saw the young wide receiver showing flashes, to the point of White starting both the 2016 and 2017 opening games. So having seen all of White’s pre-camp offseasons, and more than just White’s over the past couple decades, this humble and faithful narrator has learned to temper encouraging observations.
But Wednesday was different. On a couple levels.
White’s straight-ahead deep speed was flat-out startling, the first time this very graceful athlete looked like the one who ran 4.35 at the ’15 Combine. Not necessarily quickness (he’s 6-3, 216 pounds; “quick” is for another discussion). But just raw speed. Using one snap for illustration, White simply ran up to and by a cornerback (whose identity is being protected here) who’d started with a seven-yard cushion, White visibly accelerating with each stride and pulling away from deep-safety help.
This is potentially a very big deal, for a couple of reasons. For White personally, this was very, very nice to see. Coaches last year confided that White had to effectively re-learn how to run, to again trust his once-natural gait after consecutive season-ending leg injuries. To see White explode deep on Wednesday was something different from anything this reporter had seen from him.
Teammates of legendary Bears speed wideout Willie Gault described Gault as, “If he’s even, he’s leavin’.” That was White.
And you know who knows it? Mitchell Trubisky.
The second-year quarterback went into missile-launch mode with White more than once, interspersed with White driving hard into his break and creating separation on out and slants. The intriguing side element here is, that within all the run-pass-option stuff, the West Coast schematics and so forth, Matt Nagy and this staff appear to know what they might be sitting on. Hence the Trubisky air show on Wednesday.
“Right now, it’s ‘Let’s test it downfield a little bit,’” Nagy said. “If you’re going to make a mistake and make a poor throw, let’s do it with an aggressive mentality… .[Trubisky] made some throws today that we talked about last night that we now have put on tape.”
Nagy said that he’s noticed more from White through his part of the offseason which allows coach-player interaction. White has never gone prima-donna, and “he’s somebody that you’ll see stay after practice and take those extra reps, if it’s a route he didn’t have the correct footwork on,” Nagy said. “Maybe he was two steps off on a seven-step route and he took five steps so he’s going to go back out there and run the route with seven steps the right way…or maybe he dropped the football. So, he’s committed. He’s dedicated. He wants to be really good wide receiver. When you have somebody that has that want, we as coaches need to give him every opportunity to succeed.”
Succeeding in May is a long way from succeeding in September (or in White’s case, October, since White has only played one game in October in his three “seasons”). But something is happening in White, around White, whatever. And as a couple Bears DB’s learned the hard way, if he’s even….
Odds and tight ends…
Rookie James Daniels continues to get reps at guard with the No. 2 offense and at center with the 3’s. Hroniss Grasu is getting his shot at center in an offense coordinated by his old college coach, Mark Helfrich… . Right guard Kyle Long still not practicing is giving veteran Earl Watford (21 career starts) extensive work with the No. 1 offense, with Erik Kush at left guard… .
Mitchell Trubisky’s reads and decisions have drawn nods and compliments beyond the usual offseason palaver. Specifically, the “Pretty Boy Assassin” continues to practice ball security without forcing balls into tight places, and reacting on broken plays with some creative improv… .
Rookie linebacker Roquan Smith has been getting reps with the No. 1 defense, but he’s got a ways to go before a position change happens. “We roll those guys [between units] a pretty fair amount,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who likes Smith’s intangibles but doesn’t count intangibles until the tangibles are in place. “I think the sooner he becomes proficient at doing his own job, then that will come. You can’t be a so-called ‘leader’ or intangible- breeding type of guy if you’re not doing your own job as good as expected. So the sooner he gets to that, the sooner the intangibles can happen”… .
Danny Trevathan gave the defense a highlight on Wednesday in a team red-zone session, picking off a pass intended for Kevin White. It was one of the very few wayward throws by any of the three Bears QB’s.
Post by: chifaninva on May 31, 2018, 11:05:01 am
Post by: dallasbear on May 31, 2018, 11:10:08 am
So now I'm encouraged with this article. Let's hope injuries are in the rear view mirror for White. Bears could quite possibly have one of the best group of receivers in the league with everybody healthy.
Post by: davebear on May 31, 2018, 07:44:28 pm
Another good sign.
Post by: dallasbear on June 01, 2018, 12:24:36 am
...and Cam Meridith is catching passes in Saints OTAs.
Post by: boogie on June 04, 2018, 08:19:59 am
The football career of Bears tight end Zach Miller likely ended last season, when he suffered a serious knee injury against the Saints. Even thought it’s doubtful that Miller will ever play again, the Bears have brought him back for 2018.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bears have re-signed Miller to a one-year deal.
Miller, 33, joined the Bears in 2015. Under the so-called “split” contract with the Bears, he’ll earn $458,000 for 2018, whether he plays or not.
If he somehow is able to play, he would make $790,000 in 2018.
It’s a class move by the Bears, who otherwise wouldn’t have owed Miller a dime, since his contract expired after the 2017 season. And it sends a message to the locker room that the Bears don’t automatically regard players as nameless, faceless, fungible commodities who come and go on a constant basis, and who get nothing more than what the CBA entitles them to.
Post by: wmljohn on June 04, 2018, 08:37:15 am
Post by: dallasbear on June 04, 2018, 01:04:53 pm
Wouldn't it be a great story if somehow he could come back?
Post by: chifaninva on June 05, 2018, 11:07:05 am
Post by: boogie on June 05, 2018, 12:42:15 pm
On Tuesday, the Bears confirmed that Miller won’t be returning to action this season. They placed Miller on the reserve/physically unable to perform list, which shuts him down for the season while he continues to work his way back from an injury that required nine operations.
Under the terms of the deal that Miller signed Monday, he’ll receive $458,000 in salary this year. He would have made $790,000 if he’d been able to play.
Miller, who entered the league as a Jaguars sixth-round pick in 2009, spent the last three seasons with the Bears. He has 146 catches for 1,631 yards and 15 touchdowns for his career.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 06, 2018, 01:58:40 pm
I wonder if he is able to be on the sidelines with that designation, and if they want him coaching the tight ends at all - I would imagine they have a coach for that.
Post by: dallasbear on June 06, 2018, 02:36:35 pm
He could probably act as an adviser to the TEs but he has no formal training as a coach, and the Bears have a TE coach.
Given the seriousness of the injury and his age I'd bet his playing days are over but he just seems like a very determined guy. You never know.
Post by: navigator on June 07, 2018, 08:15:43 am
Post by: Dave23 on June 07, 2018, 08:26:52 am
Post by: stelz on June 08, 2018, 02:53:27 pm
Post by: boogie on June 08, 2018, 03:09:07 pm
Now we get to wait 6 weeks, and hope nobody does anything stupid....
Post by: dallasbear on June 08, 2018, 03:45:22 pm
He was under contract when he was injured. I'd bet there is some sort of health insurance policy that covers the surgery and rehab costs. Workers comp.
What the Bears did with the contract was above and beyond that. Basically, gave him a salary for 2018.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 21, 2018, 05:18:00 am
Post by: boogie on June 21, 2018, 08:45:30 am
Post by: dallasbear on June 21, 2018, 05:14:55 pm
3-4 ILB is kind of like guard. You can get by with a serviceable guy but a really good player will stand out. They are generally not playmakers.
Kwiatowski would be fine as the #2 ILB on the team. Solid guy and he showed he could blitz. I think he used to be a safety in HS maybe college.
The issue I have is why we drafted Iyiegbuniwe kid in round 4 after taking Smith in R1. We already have Trevathan. This Iyiegbuniwe kid must have just been head and shoulders above the need picks, namely OLB and CB.
Bears have the best 3-4 ILBs in the NFL and potentially the worst 3-4 OLBs.
Post by: dallasbear on June 21, 2018, 05:41:23 pm
Jamieis Winston suspended 3 games. Bears play the Bucs....game 4. Yeah.
Post by: boogie on June 22, 2018, 06:45:15 am
Post by: WshflThinking on June 22, 2018, 09:08:01 am
Post by: dallasbear on June 22, 2018, 11:00:19 am
Valid points on Trevathan's injury history and contract future. But I think Pace took Iggy more for his value than a need for a 4th ILBer.
All the media and Bear suckups brag about last year's top 10 defense. Well, top 10 sounds great out of 100 but out of 32 its not that great.
And anyone that says Lynch, Acho and Fitts are the answer at OLB opposite Floyd is just rolling the dice.
Post by: boogie on June 22, 2018, 12:42:48 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 22, 2018, 02:51:14 pm
Post by: dallasbear on June 22, 2018, 03:17:53 pm
Not too worried about Floyd. His 2017 injury was due to Fuller slamming into his knee on a tackle - it would have busted up anybody in his position.
OTA reports said that he isn't quite 100% so we'll see how that progresses. It's the other side I'm more concerned with: Lynch is injury prone; Acho is more of a backup; Irving has done nothing; Fitts is a rookie and injury prone.
I know Pace is trying to get the roster younger but I hope he has this number in his iPhone: 1-800-WILLIE-YOUNG
Post by: boogie on June 23, 2018, 09:08:26 am
Post by: VJ on June 24, 2018, 02:42:26 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzuILJhaqy4
Post by: dallasbear on June 24, 2018, 07:17:11 pm
boogie
Houston did have a nice finish on last season. But Willie Young before his injury in 2017 played in 46 out of 48 games....amassing 24 sacks.
Houston in that time span played in only 26 of 48 games with 9 sacks.
Houston is 31 and Young will be 33 in September. If Irving or Fitts don't show anything I'd be OK with signing either Houston or Young.
Post by: boogie on June 25, 2018, 09:34:23 am
Post by: WshflThinking on June 28, 2018, 10:15:36 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/25/chicago-bears-chase-daniel-mitchell-trubisky-matt-nagy-offense/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
Post by: davebear on July 05, 2018, 09:47:21 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 05, 2018, 12:36:32 pm
Can't wait!
Post by: dallasbear on July 05, 2018, 04:42:46 pm
Enjoying my summer (well, except for the heat in Dallas are), but I'm in no rush, it will be here sooner than you know it.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 09, 2018, 05:20:09 am
Winter is coming!
Post by: WshflThinking on July 09, 2018, 10:14:24 am
Post by: dallasbear on July 09, 2018, 10:57:41 am
There's really nothing good that can happen in July. Injuries (God forbid) and the hype and endless pumping of the Chicago Bears media machines.
It's all gonna come down to Trubisky on offense and our pass rush on defense...in the fall.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 09, 2018, 02:47:37 pm
Post by: dallasbear on July 09, 2018, 04:07:06 pm
Maybe a few of them...the new receivers. Lynch the OLB. Maybe Daniels the C/G. And some of the rookies...
Here's something today from Rich Campbell about the predicting who makes the team on the d-line:
Bears need defensive linemen Akiem Hicks and Eddie Goldman to strengthen pass rush
Rich CampbellContact Reporter
Chicago Tribune
As the Bears prepare to report July 19 for training camp at Olivet Nazarene in Bourbonnais, the Tribune is taking a look at each position group. Today: defensive linemen.
Currently on roster: 10.
Projected on final roster: 5 or 6.
Roster locks: Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman, Jonathan Bullard, Bilal Nichols.
Good bet: Roy Robertson-Harris.
On the bubble: John Jenkins.
Camp depth: Nick Williams.
Practice squad candidates: Abdullah Anderson, Bunmi Rotimi, Cavon Walker.
Biggest offseason developments: Jonathan Bullard ascended to the depth chart’s top line after two-year starting right defensive end Mitch Unrein signed a three-year, $10.5 million free-agent contract with the Buccaneers. …The Bears drafted Bilal Nichols out of Delaware in the fifth round. …They re-signed backup nose tackle John Jenkins to a one-year minimum salary benefit contract.
What to like: Akiem Hicks and Eddie Goldman have developed a formidable partnership. Goldman missed 10 games in 2016 (ankle), which was Hicks’ first year with the Bears. But an extended run of good health last season proved what’s possible in 2018 with the two of them anchoring the run defense. Goldman is more disciplined staying in his gap, but Hicks led the team with 15 tackles for loss. “They both know they’ve got each other’s backs,” defensive line coach Jay Rodgers said. “If somebody screws up, hopefully the other guy can overcome it.” Hicks and Goldman are strong enough at the point of attack to command double teams, but opposing offensive lines can’t double-team them both on every snap. Occasionally last season, they took turns exploiting single blocks and re-establishing the line of scrimmage. In sub packages, when Hicks and Goldman are the two defensive tackles, they can push the interior pocket and work their rushes off each other.
Biggest question: Can Goldman’s pass-rush production compensate for whatever the Bears lack outside?
It’s no secret the Bears are patching together an outside pass rush around Leonard Floyd. For the rush to be effective overall, though, they’ll need Goldman to improve on his 1½ sacks from last season. The Bears, at least, aren’t overly concerned about that low number. “There were a lot of opportunities for production for him, but a lot of people got there before he did,” Rodgers said. “His presence in the middle is felt when he’s in there, so we feel good about it.” Goldman has improved, Rodgers said, in complementing his power with finesse. “What he has done is be able to move his feet, work his hips,” Rodgers said. “He has been consistent with his hands, working around the edges. You’re seeing more of that. I think the thing you don’t see very much is how much he affects the pocket, as opposed to the sacks that he’s getting. So you’re seeing a lot more production in terms of affecting the pocket than you are necessarily getting the quarterback down.”
Fresh face: Drafting Nichols required a significant projection for his NFL potential, not only because he played at the FCS level, but also because Delaware’s defense featured a three-man rush in which Nichols was at the center. Their scheme required him to absorb double- and triple-teams. “In Delaware, we were a lot more patient waiting for blocks,” Nichols explained. “Here, they want you to knock guys back and then get up the field. That’s something that I really like a lot.” Rodgers worked out Nichols privately before the draft. In addition to liking Nichols’ loose hips and accurate hands, he’s excited by Nichols’ work ethic and unselfish attitude. “We have a little box in the draft room called our ‘gears,’ ” Rodgers said. “He has got all the gears. He has got all the … certain traits you’re looking for that don’t have to do with football.”
You should know: Goldman is entering the final year of his rookie contract. There’s a realistic chance the Bears will re-sign their 2015 second-round pick before the regular season begins, similarly to how they handled new contracts for Hicks and left tackle Charles Leno last year. The Bears will gauge Goldman’s fitness and performance through training camp. If they present an offer to buy Goldman out of free agency, it would be less than what Goldman would earn on the open market — a discount that would still equate to financial security for Goldman, who has never played 16 games in a season.
Quote of note: “For us, I think the biggest difference is having an offense that’s going to score in the first half.” — Hicks
Big number: 48.2 — Percentage of snaps Unrein played last season in the 12 games before he went on injured reserve. That void, mostly in the base package, created by Unrein’s departure must be filled by Bullard and Robertson-Harris.
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Post by: dallasbear on July 09, 2018, 04:12:27 pm
With all due respect to our 5th round pick Bilal Nichols but there is no way at this point in the season that anyone can state he's a roster lock. And to say Roy Robertson-Harris is at the next tier below as a "Good Bet" is BS. In fact, I like him better than Bullard, a recent 3rd rounder.
And I'm not that big a fan of John Jenkins, he's more fat tub of goo than he is NT. But if Goldman needs a break who do you play at the NT?
You need 3 starters and 3 backups. Its not rocket science.
Post by: davebear on July 09, 2018, 05:37:27 pm
He's a run stopper. If goldman tweeks that ankle again I guess they sign somebody off the street and release one of the others.
Post by: dallasbear on July 09, 2018, 09:55:32 pm
You can't expect Goldman to play the whole game at NT - that's probably the most physical position on a defense. He'll need a sub.
And Hicks played too many snaps last year - his production waned in the 2nd half.
Youngsters need to step up to not only replace Unrein but let Hicks get more plays off.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 10, 2018, 04:58:27 am
Post by: boogie on July 10, 2018, 08:15:53 am
Post by: dallasbear on July 10, 2018, 10:34:21 am
Agreed.
My biggest concerns going into the season:
1) Trubisky (it's all about the QB)
2) pass rush (duh)
3) offensive line (Daniels is a rookie, Long is coming off injuries - Bears led the league last year in zero or negative runs, which is partly due to lack of passing game)
4) CB - solid not flashy veterans but untested backups
Post by: davebear on July 10, 2018, 11:48:18 am
Plus are the Bears really anything more than last in the NFC north really?
I'm looking forward to seeing if Rogers has lost any ability with age and if Cousins is their savior or a flop.
Post by: dallasbear on July 10, 2018, 12:13:15 pm
Really not that concerned about Nagy. I think he's got offense down and we know Fagio can do D. Nagy may make some rookie HC mistakes though. OJT.
The guy nobody really talks about is that Viking rookie running back who's coming back after that injury. If he picks up from last year, and Cousins is Cousins, and that Vike D...could be Super Bowl bound.
Post by: boogie on July 10, 2018, 01:50:38 pm
Post by: Dave23 on July 10, 2018, 09:03:01 pm
Post by: dallasbear on July 11, 2018, 12:51:03 am
Post by: WshflThinking on July 11, 2018, 07:53:19 am
Post by: Dave23 on July 11, 2018, 08:29:33 am
Post by: Dave23 on July 11, 2018, 08:35:24 am
Post by: WshflThinking on July 11, 2018, 10:38:04 am
Post by: dallasbear on July 11, 2018, 11:21:29 am
I'm not sure that Buffalo would release a 24 year old with 2 years on his contract that hasn't lived up to his draft status primarily due to injuries and discipline related issues.
He might fit into the Bears' rotation if healthy, but not sure if he's the pass rusher we need and might be suited more as a DE in a 3-4 or a 4-3.
5th rounder possibly, but 6th or 7th more realistically.
Post by: WshflThinking on July 11, 2018, 09:21:14 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on July 11, 2018, 09:23:32 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-mitch-trubisky-quarterbacks-20180711-story.html
Post by: boogie on July 18, 2018, 09:30:19 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/07/mitch-trubisky-breaks-down-how-insanely-detailed-matt-nagy-is/
Post by: davebear on July 18, 2018, 10:47:00 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 19, 2018, 04:58:39 am
Post by: VJ on July 21, 2018, 11:36:58 am
https://twitter.com/BearsLink82
https://twitter.com/RobertZeglinski
https://twitter.com/dabearsbros
https://twitter.com/GBraggsJr (lots of videos)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 21, 2018, 02:29:09 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 22, 2018, 06:52:19 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 22, 2018, 02:47:30 pm
Post by: Dave23 on July 22, 2018, 04:48:30 pm
Post by: davep on July 24, 2018, 09:18:20 am
I’m so thankful to come to this board and see something besides political talk...
Didn't training camp start last weekend? And not a single post concerning it. Not much interest in the Bears shown right now.
Post by: dallasbear on July 24, 2018, 09:44:57 am
Been in Canada for over a week caught up on a lot of email and sports stuff yesterday on the drive home.
Looks like the Bears are in pretty good shape health-wise. Trubisky has been expectedly inconsistent. Gabriel looks to be used more down the field than I had thought - figured he was a slot guy.
Any news on Robinson?
Oh yeah, we still need a pass rush.
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 24, 2018, 09:52:08 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-0aRDsGkZc
Beau Bear has some really good stuff to watch......
Post by: davebear on July 24, 2018, 09:54:29 am
Post by: boogie on July 24, 2018, 12:37:54 pm
Post by: method on July 24, 2018, 01:23:49 pm
You drove from Dallas to Canada????? How long did that take???
Depending on where in Canada you are going, its often cheaper to fly to a northern US destination, and then drive across the border...
We go to Montreal once a year, and its about 800 bucks cheaper to fly from Clearwater to Plattsburgh NY; rent a car and drive to Quebec City, then to fly directly to QC and get a rental car.
Post by: navigator on July 24, 2018, 02:37:31 pm
Post by: dallasbear on July 24, 2018, 02:54:08 pm
We only drove to northern Minnesota and canoed into Canada's boundary waters.
Actual drive time was about 20 hours so we split it up over 2 days.
Post by: dallasbear on July 24, 2018, 02:57:58 pm
nav
Where did you hear that one?
It really makes no sense considering Robinson is coming off a more serious injury. You'd like some depth especially after letting Meridith walk.
Post by: davebear on July 24, 2018, 03:28:43 pm
Post by: davebear on July 24, 2018, 03:47:32 pm
Apparently Leonard Floyd is giving Charles Leno fits in the team drills.
Post by: davep on July 24, 2018, 04:56:50 pm
We only drove to northern Minnesota and canoed into Canada's boundary waters.
Actual drive time was about 20 hours so we split it up over 2 days.
You go to Ely? I have done a lot of Walleye fishing up there.
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2018, 05:09:46 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-sign-former-florida-state-232223471.html
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2018, 05:11:59 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/mike-mcglinchey-deal-help-roquan-093631200.html
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2018, 05:13:35 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/eric-kush-hold-off-james-171245029.html
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2018, 05:15:28 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/23/chicago-bears-training-camp-3-early-stars/
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2018, 05:16:31 pm
Post by: dallasbear on July 24, 2018, 09:35:41 pm
davep
Yes, Ely.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 25, 2018, 06:35:58 am
First mention I have seen of Fitts have a good camp. I hope that is a sign of future greatness.
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2018, 07:11:06 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-allen-robinson-haugh-20180724-story.html
Post by: boogie on July 25, 2018, 10:30:41 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 25, 2018, 10:43:38 am
Post by: dallasbear on July 25, 2018, 11:15:05 am
Allen was picked just before Smith.
It's time for Smith to tell his agent "get'er done".
Post by: navigator on July 25, 2018, 02:34:06 pm
nav
Where did you hear that one?
It really makes no sense considering Robinson is coming off a more serious injury. You'd like some depth especially after letting Meridith walk.
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2018, 02:47:24 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 26, 2018, 05:02:05 am
White will play all 16 games, taking snaps away from Robinson as he makes a full recovery from his torn ACL. White will finish the season with 54 catches, 840 yards, and 8 TDs. Promptly presenting them with a contract issue similar to Fuller the prior year.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 26, 2018, 05:23:50 am
I think this is the system Trubisky is meant to play and I am looking forward to his progress.
Post by: VJ on July 26, 2018, 05:54:00 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 27, 2018, 05:08:08 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 27, 2018, 06:39:49 pm
First unofficial depth chart.
Funny Smith listed with 2nd team and he has not yet even signed. He is almost last 1st rounder to sign. I do not care who you are do not like that.
I have been listening to a lot of podcasts and reading up on news feeds.
Supposedly reports say James Daniels probably not going to start and may not contribute much as he lacks strength for guard. A little disappointing for 2nd round.
Bright spot Anthony Miller looking like immediate difference maker. Fitts looks as if he will contribute on pass rushing downs.
Post by: VJ on July 28, 2018, 01:37:41 pm
Post by: davep on July 28, 2018, 02:15:39 pm
helmet rule is delaying the Roquan signing.
?
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 29, 2018, 05:45:16 am
Post by: joki13 on July 29, 2018, 11:27:21 am
Post by: davebear on July 29, 2018, 11:35:42 am
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2018, 08:43:44 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-roquan-smith-holdout-contract-real-talk-20180729-story.html#nt=oft03a-2la1
Post by: Sportster on July 30, 2018, 04:31:29 am
Post by: VJ on July 30, 2018, 08:48:03 am
Post by: davep on July 30, 2018, 09:02:56 am
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2018, 09:41:55 am
3 plays out of 40,000 plus? That's a lot lower than Kyle Hendrick's batting average.
Bears management looking like cheapskates.
Post by: davebear on July 30, 2018, 10:25:30 am
According to the guys on the Score this morning, the Bears are very controlling in their contracts per a source they had who had seen Leanard Floyd and Trubisky's contracts.
This could be Ted Phillips but I'm suspicious the McCaskys are behind this philosophy.
year 4 of rebuilding, no more ruined sunday's please.
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2018, 10:44:20 am
Haven't been up on all the Bears recent news - but with all this talk about Smith what is up with the 4th rounder: Iyiegbuniwe ?
He should be getting some crucial snaps with Trevathian and Smith out.
Post by: davebear on July 30, 2018, 11:05:20 am
Haven't seen any news on the rookie.
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 30, 2018, 01:56:23 pm
So thankful he didn't wind up playing for another team, and despite the screw up parting of ways at the end of his career, he appears to have no bitterness toward the team.
Here's props to the Bears getting another enshrined to the HoF.
Now if they can only get a handle on winning those more damn championships in the modern era......
Post by: VJ on July 30, 2018, 02:35:24 pm
A review of recent Bears first-round contracts finds that 2016 first-round pick Leonard Floyd and 2017 first-round pick Mitchell Trubisky can have their guarantees voided if the player in question "engages in conduct reasonably judged by Club to adversely affect or reflect on the Club" or "makes any public comment to the media that Club determines, in its sole discretion (1) breaches a material obligation of loyalty to Club and/or (2) materially undermines the public's respect for or is criticizing of Club, Player's teammates, Club's ownership, Club coaches, Club management, any of Club's operations or policies, or the NFL." Even after seven paragraphs of specifics, the "Default" section of each of these deals includes a "subsection H" that says the player is in default if he is "suspended by the NFL for any reason not otherwise specified above." Now, both deals include language that specifies that the player gets a written warning for his first such offense and doesn't default until his second. But come on. You want a player to sign a contract that allows the team "sole discretion" over discipline that could result in the player having his guarantees voided? Is it not obvious how such a policy could be abused by a team looking to get out of a contract it no longer likes? It's crazy if players and agents don't push back on this.
Why don't they all, you ask? It's a good question, and the answer basically comes down to human variables. Just as not every team's policies on this are equally restrictive, not every player or agent is equally dug in against them. There are agents eager to get deals done who won't fight as hard as others, and even the agents who do want to fight sometimes give in because their clients decide they want the thing over with so they can get into camp and get started. In the end, this isn't about which teams handle it one way and which handle it the other way. This is about players fighting for their rights against employers' attempts to nickel-and-dime them. Just because the Bears don't go so far as to void guarantees for fines doesn't mean Smith shouldn't push back on their attempt to void his guarantees for suspensions. This is a fight worth fighting, and winning it would benefit Smith and players who will find themselves in similar situations in the future. Just don't get caught thinking it's about any new helmet rule. Because it's not. This isn't a new fight, and it isn't one that's likely to end once Smith inevitably signs and gets to camp.
Post by: VJ on July 30, 2018, 02:49:10 pm
Post by: guest77 on July 30, 2018, 10:39:47 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2018, 06:00:01 am
Post by: guest77 on July 31, 2018, 06:50:28 am
Time, and a lot of money creates amnesia. Here's to hoping we are faced with that problem in 5 years...
Good point! And hopefully a ring or three mixed in! ;D
Post by: boogie on July 31, 2018, 08:41:59 am
Post by: joki13 on July 31, 2018, 01:57:03 pm
Post by: boogie on July 31, 2018, 01:58:11 pm
Post by: davebear on July 31, 2018, 02:09:46 pm
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2018, 02:40:17 pm
No doubt Mack is a pro bowler than can help the team now. But he might only have 3 more years left in him (he's 27 1/2).
Smith just turned 21 in April - could be a stud for 10 more years.
Let's just sign the kid and move on.
Post by: WshflThinking on July 31, 2018, 05:11:56 pm
Post by: joki13 on August 01, 2018, 06:57:21 am
Post by: boogie on August 01, 2018, 09:25:12 am
Post by: navigator on August 01, 2018, 09:27:06 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2018, 09:28:27 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2018, 09:30:58 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/30/training-camp-storylines-chicago-bears-green-bay-packers/3/
Post by: davebear on August 01, 2018, 10:43:00 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2018, 11:51:20 am
Post by: davebear on August 01, 2018, 12:01:49 pm
Just before camp he was "still healing" from his surgeries. He needs healing time more than games reps.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 01, 2018, 12:02:16 pm
Post by: boogie on August 01, 2018, 12:08:25 pm
Post by: wmljohn on August 01, 2018, 12:46:16 pm
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But man I am dying to see the new high octane O....
That is probably about 5 weeks away. Preseason = Vanilla
Post by: boogie on August 01, 2018, 01:19:22 pm
Post by: davebear on August 01, 2018, 01:34:02 pm
I'm not expecting the same luck as last year as far as the health of the DB's.
Also looking for this supposed development of Shaheen.
Curious of the backup guards as not confident Long will be healthy and apparently James Daniels needs to get on the steroids to develop the NFL body.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2018, 03:02:37 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 02, 2018, 02:58:51 am
James Daniels is still 20....won't even be 21 til next month. He's still growing!
Bears are giving the veteran Kush first crack at left guard.
Urlacher did not start his first game as a rookie and he's going into the HOF.
Post by: dallasbear on August 02, 2018, 03:05:41 am
Also hearing rookie FA CB Michael Joseph is having a good camp. Marcus Cooper has 2 rookie FAs going after his job.
Also, looks like Deiondre' Hall is back at safety as is CFLer Jonathon Mincy.
Plenty of rookies and newcomers to evaluate without having to watch projected starters. I'll be checking out the OLBs for sure.
Post by: davebear on August 02, 2018, 11:19:08 am
Post by: davebear on August 02, 2018, 11:20:35 am
I think Urlacher second behind Barry Minter and Minter got hurt
Post by: dallasbear on August 02, 2018, 12:00:26 pm
They initially tried Urlacher at SLB but he couldn't beat out Rosevelt Colvin. Then Minter got hurt and the rest is history...
Post by: davep on August 04, 2018, 03:45:34 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 05, 2018, 06:26:11 am
That was the story behind the story. Very entertaining listening to his old coaches talk about Urlacher this week.
Post by: joki13 on August 07, 2018, 01:00:16 pm
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2018, 01:23:02 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 07, 2018, 01:36:09 pm
I've defended Bears management in the past on them not being cheap. This has cheap written all over it.
What the h*LL are the Bears so afraid of Roquan Smith doing?
Post by: Dave23 on August 07, 2018, 02:38:12 pm
But we gave up next years second for Anthony Miller......That’s why joki suggests getting one back...
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2018, 02:47:40 pm
That’s why joki suggests getting one back...
My bad. I guess reading comprehension isnt a strong suit today. lol
Post by: joki13 on August 07, 2018, 04:06:09 pm
Post by: davep on August 07, 2018, 04:08:33 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 07, 2018, 11:50:57 pm
Post by: navigator on August 08, 2018, 07:19:02 am
Post by: boogie on August 08, 2018, 07:34:53 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2018, 07:41:26 am
Post by: boogie on August 08, 2018, 07:57:02 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/08/history-shows-roquan-smith-not-agents-is-prolonging-holdout/
Post by: davebear on August 08, 2018, 11:03:10 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2018, 11:59:08 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2018, 12:05:27 pm
Post by: BearHit on August 08, 2018, 12:36:08 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 08, 2018, 12:41:13 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2018, 12:47:23 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 08, 2018, 12:52:02 pm
They still sell those?
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 08, 2018, 01:20:52 pm
Post by: davebear on August 08, 2018, 01:26:25 pm
http://www.nflgames.net/nfltv/chicago-bears-game-live-stream-online-vs-free/
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2018, 02:25:36 pm
TV Guide?
They still sell those?
Haha, no silly, satelite guide
Post by: VJ on August 08, 2018, 03:32:42 pm
Post by: stelz on August 08, 2018, 09:08:58 pm
I laughed through a lot of this.
Post by: Pekin on August 09, 2018, 01:33:45 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 09, 2018, 08:42:15 am
I can only hope my 20 something daughters never meet up with that pair on the YouTube video. OK, they are Cubs fans...its cool.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2018, 07:00:03 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-roquan-smith-holdout-ryan-pace-20180809-story.html
Post by: dallasbear on August 10, 2018, 09:10:01 am
At issue is language covering whether the Bears could reclaim some of Smith’s guaranteed money if the NFL suspended him for an on-field rules violation outside the parameters of a football play, such as a fight with another player or a physical confrontation with a game official.
I haven't been following this that closely. So is this "language" present in other Bear rookie contracts or in other team's rookie contracts?
If its standard stuff that's in every contract, then I blame Smith and his agent, since the likelihood of such an incident occurring is extremely low. Can anyone recall a Bears getting fine/suspended for an on field fight or referee confrontation?
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2018, 09:41:48 am
Ugh.
Post by: davebear on August 10, 2018, 10:24:09 am
I haven't been following this that closely. So is this "language" present in other Bear rookie contracts or in other team's rookie contracts?
I haven't see anyone in the media find out what other teams are doing.
Post by: boogie on August 10, 2018, 10:45:04 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 10, 2018, 10:50:08 am
That's what the Bears' camp is telling us. Has Smith's agent commented on the actual issue?
I just find it hard to believe that an agent wouldn't accept a clause that his player doesn't get paid if he slugs an opposing player or ref. Again, if this is nothing new with the Bears or NFL then its the agent's fault.
So if a player commits such a violation and is suspended by the NFL - he doesn't get his game pay, correct? Fair enough. Sounds like the Bears are going after a pro-rated signing bonus (guaranteed money) which could be in excess of his game check.
Post by: davebear on August 10, 2018, 11:10:38 am
I can't remember the actual language as reported on the SCORe a couple of weeks ago but they were able to see 3-4 recent Bear player contracts and the language was very vague and broad . Bears management basically has full power to determine what is an offense on which they can take action.
Post by: wmljohn on August 10, 2018, 01:13:45 pm
This should be something the Players Union should be taking up but they won't touch it because it does not affect most players. The other players do not want to give up something to have that removed because it would never involve them.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2018, 07:47:35 pm
Post by: VJ on August 10, 2018, 09:29:40 pm
Post by: Dave23 on August 11, 2018, 10:51:40 am
Prove me wrong...
Post by: dallasbear on August 11, 2018, 04:47:35 pm
Totally agree. Daniel is last year's version of Sanchez.
Post by: davep on August 12, 2018, 11:09:08 am
At issue is language covering whether the Bears could reclaim some of Smith’s guaranteed money if the NFL suspended him for an on-field rules violation outside the parameters of a football play, such as a fight with another player or a physical confrontation with a game official.
I haven't been following this that closely. So is this "language" present in other Bear rookie contracts or in other team's rookie contracts?
If its standard stuff that's in every contract, then I blame Smith and his agent, since the likelihood of such an incident occurring is extremely low. Can anyone recall a Bears getting fine/suspended for an on field fight or referee confrontation?
As I understand it, the clause in question is not a new one, and has in just about every players contract for years. It merely says that the team can reclaim guaranteed money of the player is disqualified because of breaking on-field rules.
This has not been an issue in the past, because almost all such infractions (such as slugging a referee or injuring another player with a "dirty hit" was generally accepted as being the result of a choice of the player. However, the agent is arguing that Smith has been taught all his life to "lead with his helmet" and is very likely to do so once in a while out of lifelong habit, rather than as a deliberate rule infraction. The fact that Smith has been so successful in his college career at doing so is one of the reasons why the Bears drafted him in the first place.
He is asking that he not be punished by losing his guaranteed money if he unthinkingly breaks this new rule. He is not asking that he be allowed to "slug a ref" or deliberately break other rules with impunity.
This is not a small issue, since, if agreed to, it would probably have to be included as a standard clause for all Bear contracts, and likely all NFL contracts. It will probably have to be resolved by negotiations with the NFL and the Players Union, and neither the Bears nor Smith can make changes that apply only to him.
Post by: wmljohn on August 12, 2018, 12:00:01 pm
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He is asking that he not be punished by losing his guaranteed money if he unthinkingly breaks this new rule. He is not asking that he be allowed to "slug a ref" or deliberately break other rules with impunity.
This is not a small issue, since, if agreed to, it would probably have to be included as a standard clause for all Bear contracts, and likely all NFL contracts. It will probably have to be resolved by negotiations with the NFL and the Players Union, and neither the Bears nor Smith can make changes that apply only to him.
The Bears have already conceited to the helmet rule. His agent is now demanding that any on field infraction be ignored. Including slugging a ref.
Post by: wmljohn on August 12, 2018, 12:05:48 pm
The Bears move home from Bourbonnais on Sunday and Smith still hasn’t signed. What exactly is the holdup?
It revolves around contract language addressing whether the Bears could attempt to reclaim some of Smith’s guaranteed money if he were suspended by the NFL for an on-field rules violation outside the parameters of a football play. That’s it in a nutshell.
How has the disagreement between the two sides evolved?
Initially, it centered on whether the Bears could attempt to reclaim Smith’s guaranteed money if he were suspended for an illegal hit with his helmet.
At some point during training camp, though — exactly when is unclear, but it’s believed to have been near the end of July — the Bears agreed to tailor language in Smith’s contract to protect his guaranteed money from being reclaimed in that scenario.
The Bears hoped that concession would prompt Smith to sign and report to camp. But Smith’s representatives dug in further, seeking financial protection for a broader range of on-field conduct outside the parameters of a football play, such as shoving an official or getting into a fight. The Bears, on the other hand, want to limit protections of Smith’s guaranteed money to violations involving football plays.
Smith’s representatives at CAA have not publicly commented on negotiations. General manager Ryan Pace last spoke about it to the Bears media corps on July 19, when he said: “We’re optimistic that he’s here soon.”
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 13, 2018, 03:52:00 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 14, 2018, 07:02:35 am
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Post by: WshflThinking on August 14, 2018, 11:21:46 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 14, 2018, 11:49:07 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/13/chicago-bears-not-among-teams-favored-to-land-raiders-olb-khalil-mack/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline
Post by: VJ on August 15, 2018, 05:45:22 am
Hell, dangle a 4 for Lawson, just get on the goddamn phone.
Post by: joki13 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:55 am
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Post by: VJ on August 15, 2018, 04:54:53 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 15, 2018, 06:59:18 pm
Post by: Pekin on August 16, 2018, 03:08:50 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 16, 2018, 06:08:08 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 16, 2018, 12:18:17 pm
Saw some of the Bengals game - one thing that stood out for me is that Kush is not that good at guard. Maybe he's better at center.
I'd expect to see a lineup with him starting at center or backing up at guard center - but I hope he's not our starting LG.
Post by: dallasbear on August 16, 2018, 12:26:57 pm
I drew up a 53 man roster after the first PS game.
Have just a few disagreements with the USA today version:
Need Bellamy as a STer
Coward may go to PS along with Morgan
Need another CB or two (Callahan and LeBlanc are strictly nickel guys) Not sold on Grant yet.
Cut Chase Daniel
Post by: joki13 on August 16, 2018, 12:56:13 pm
Post by: boogie on August 16, 2018, 01:43:46 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 16, 2018, 01:47:00 pm
I like the UDFA Toliver. I'd be OK if he stuck. The guy I didnt see was the vet who gave up 2 TD's. Something other Jr. He needs a new address.
Post by: boogie on August 16, 2018, 01:57:26 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 16, 2018, 02:08:41 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 17, 2018, 02:26:47 pm
Chase Daniel signed a 2 year, $10,000,000 contract with the Chicago Bears, including a $2,000,000 signing bonus, $7,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,000,000. In 2018, Daniel will earn a base salary of $2,000,000 and a signing bonus of $2,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $4,000,000 and a dead cap value of $7,000,000.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 18, 2018, 07:14:59 pm
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2018, 08:50:28 pm
Also hope Shaheen will be ok. Looks like we will be using the TE's a lot to great effect.
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2018, 08:51:02 pm
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2018, 08:52:15 pm
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2018, 09:18:42 pm
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2018, 09:47:12 pm
Burton is a weapon. Shaheen getting hurt sucks. Hopefully he will be ok. Defense? Ughhh.
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2018, 11:31:14 pm
Post by: boogie on August 19, 2018, 07:35:57 am
Post by: joki13 on August 19, 2018, 09:39:15 am
Post by: VJ on August 19, 2018, 10:23:58 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJrHI-vgLJ0
Post by: VJ on August 19, 2018, 12:17:34 pm
Also, I noticed at the end of the half that they blow the play dead on defensive offsides. So I guess no more Rodgers run around and chuck it up free plays with the flag on the ground.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2018, 03:03:19 pm
My take is we have a lot of work to do. I know this is vanilla preseason and we daresent show any real offense, but I dont believe we look so hot. Trubisky wasnt super sharp. Next week's game against KC ought to be interesting to watch. One item stuck out in my mind is the TE is going to be key to our success.
If the Bears unleash Miller defenses are in severe trouble. I hope he has a super year.
We are in trouble when cutdown day comes. Some very good players are going to get cut.
I hope Shaheen's ankle is OK. He looked like an NFL TE. He looks improved.
If Floyd is hurt again we are in some serious trouble. Time to call 911 Mack.
Post by: Pekin on August 20, 2018, 03:23:47 am
Post by: joki13 on August 20, 2018, 07:40:31 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2018, 10:55:45 am
Hopefully, the Floyd injury isn't serious, but with the Lynch situation the Bears need to be looking at other options just in case.
But, I would NOT give up a first rounder AND Floyd for Mack.
And yes Willie Young and Lamar Houston are still out there - maybe the Bears can stash Fitts or Irving on the PS. Edebali has an outside shot.
Post by: VJ on August 20, 2018, 11:13:54 am
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 20, 2018, 11:35:28 am
Post by: VJ on August 20, 2018, 12:02:07 pm
Post by: boogie on August 20, 2018, 01:03:35 pm
Bears LB Leonard Floyd had surgery yesterday to repair a right hand fracture -- "we're optimistic" he'll play Week 1, per HC Matt Nagy
Post by: boogie on August 20, 2018, 01:04:44 pm
Not ruled out for Week 1 and will not heal by then.
"He'll have to play through it."
Post by: Pekin on August 20, 2018, 01:38:32 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2018, 01:40:34 pm
Since its not in his legs he won't lose much conditioning at all - next question is whether the Bears let him play against KC this week. I would think not.
Post by: navigator on August 20, 2018, 01:45:28 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2018, 02:16:13 pm
These are not stress fractures - if they had to perform surgery they may have had to set some pins in his hand. He'll definitely be wearing a big club on his hand if they let him play against the Packers.
Nick Perry had a similar injury during the season a season or two ago - only missed a couple games but was effective with the club hand when he returned.
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2018, 02:26:59 pm
I watched most of the game this weekend on YouTube so I didn't have my usual slo-mo/rewind capabilities....and I zonked out in the 2nd half.
Did anyone get a chance to see the rookie Daniels at center?
I'm not so sure the starting O-line is set. Watford might challenge Kush. I wonder if Bears are considering moving Daniels to center and Whitehair to G.
Apologies to Chase Daniel...much different player against the Broncos.
Post by: joki13 on August 20, 2018, 04:38:56 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2018, 05:18:06 pm
Packers +200
Raiders +250 ⬆️
Bears +350 ⬇️
Jets +450 ⬇️
Bills +1000
Redskins +1500
Steelers +1500
Giants +2000
Field +550 ⬆️
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 20, 2018, 07:12:12 pm
Post by: davebear on August 20, 2018, 07:52:03 pm
Sorry,but,Leonard Floyd is brittle. Might be athletic,but,he didn't drink his milk. He's probably calcium deficient. Whatever he's another Kevin White. Trade him and a 1st for Khalil Mack.At least he doesn't have an injury history,at least till he signs with us. We are jinxed.
So if you don't want Floyd why would the Raiders?
Post by: joki13 on August 21, 2018, 08:41:59 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2018, 09:17:06 am
Short sighted trade.
Next year the Raiders have Leonard Floyd AND 2 first rounders.
Bears will have Mack and no first rounder...no second rounder. Bears will have holes at RT, OLB and possibly CB.
Post by: VJ on August 21, 2018, 09:20:56 am
Bear's OLB Leonard Floyd should play effectively in season opener (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-leonard-floyd-bears-fractures-hand-0820-story.html#)
Bears outside linebacker Leonard Floyd reportedly underwent surgery to repair a fracture in his right hand. By the reports, it appears the injury is to the index and middle finger metacarpal bones. Surgery is actually good news, as it stabilizes the bone, allowing for earlier healing and earlier return to play. Given Floyd’s position, he should be able to return in time for the Bears’ season opener with protection (cast or splint). During the season, as a team doctor in the NFL, there were numerous occasions where a player broke his hand, had surgery and played the following week. What Floyd is dealing with is more severe, as it involves two bones. But with three weeks before the season, he has the extra time. I don't expect him to need a bulky club in the game. A smaller partial cast or splint will be sufficient by then. I even expect him to be effective. Remember, grip is mostly with the fourth and fifth fingers. (Hold and practice swinging a golf club or baseball bat with one had to prove it to yourself.) My anticipation is the Bears medical staff will only have protection/splint on the index and middle finger allowing most of his grip to be intact. Bottom line: Floyd will be ready to play Week 1.
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2018, 10:07:26 am
This guy may know what he's talking about... or he could have recently stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.
Since Floyd injured his right hand would it be better for him to now play exclusively on the right side to minimize the need for contact with his right hand?
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 21, 2018, 10:41:35 am
Reading the VJ's post above, the person writing this doesn't seem to think it will be a significant issue in 3 weeks - so it may not matter.
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2018, 11:09:30 am
This is not a stress fracture. How significant it is depends on how he heals, pain threshold, and the protective device.
Maybe if they can splint the 2 fingers together he gains the most use of the hand. If he has to wear a protective mitten then it will be more of a factor in his play.
I'm more concerned with the guys opposite Floyd right now: we know what Acho can do (bring a lunch pail), but when is Lynch going to play, and who will emerge from Fitts, Irving and Edabali?
KC game could decide who makes the team.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 21, 2018, 11:38:47 am
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 21, 2018, 08:38:39 pm
Post by: boogie on August 22, 2018, 07:05:10 am
The Bears were hoping to get their first look at first-round pick Roquan Smith in Saturday’s preseason game.
But as with many players who miss long portions of training camps for contractual reasons, Smith may not be physically ready to.
According to Rich Campbell of the Chicago Tribune, the rookie linebacker left Tuesday’s practice because of tightness in his left hamstring. Coach Matt Nagy said shutting him down was just a precaution, and didn’t rule out him practicing today.
Smith missed all 16 practices of training camp, during his 29-day contract impasse with the Bears. After securing protection from some voided guarantees, he signed on Aug. 14, and has practiced since then.
Before yesterday’s practice, Smith was asked the biggest challenge to be ready for the regular season, and he replied: “Just being in football shape. You work out and do all the running you can, but it’s nothing like football shape.”
And while it’s easy to connect the potential cause and effect, Nagy wanted to remain positive.
“If you have a negative mentality with it and the glass is half empty, then you want to make sure you don’t let that affect you at all,” Nagy said. “I was just talking to him. I said, ‘Hey man, just get that thing right. We’ll monitor it. We’ll see where you’re at, and we’ll take care of you.’ ”
Until they see how he responds the next few days, it’s hard to know when he’ll be back on the field. The Bears play the Chiefs Saturday at noon.
Post by: boogie on August 22, 2018, 09:27:16 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2018, 09:51:20 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2018, 01:46:14 pm
Still disagree.
QB
Mitch Trubisky
Chase Daniel
Tyler Bray
I had originally placed Daniel behind Bray, but after last week maybe I had it wrong. Regardless, we only need one broken down FA backup. If your #3 isn't a rookie then use the spot for another position.
RB
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Benny Cunningham
Taquan Mizzell
Yeah, Mizzell has a couple TDs...he averages 4.4 yards...a catch. Cut that in half and that's about his rushing average. Nall may have FB potential but either one could be stashed on the PS. And Nall has size.
WR
Allen Robinson
Taylor Gabriel
Anthony Miller
Kevin White
Javon Wims
I'm good with these 5 but do we need a STer like Bellamy or Bennie Fowler. One of these guys makes the team.
OT
Charles Leno, Jr.
Bobby Massie
Rashaad Coward
Bradley Sowell
Can we afford to carry 4? I thought we could stash Coward on the PS but if he's the real deal we could send Sowell, whose more of a guard, packing.
OG
Kyle Long
Eric Kush
Jordan Morgan
I understand that Morgan was a Pace pick...he's young. But I'd like to see more out of him. Maybe against KC? Could he last on the PS? I like Watford better than Kush at guard. I'd have no issue with Watford starting. But Kush is more flexible.
OLB
Leonard Floyd
Sam Acho
Aaron Lynch
Isaiah Irving
Kylie Fitts
Kasim Edebali
Initially, I'd go with 5, but with Floyd's hand I'm ok with 6. Edebali may be the #3 guy right now, but you don't want to risk losing young pass rushers like Fitts and Irving on the PS.
CB
Kyle Fuller
Prince Amukamara
Bryce Callahan
Cre’Von LeBlanc
Doran Grant
Backup CB is a huge hole with this group or for any group on our roster. LeBlanc and Callahan are basically nickel guys who will get exposed on the corner. Joseph and Tolliver haven't taken advantage of their opportunity. And Cooper has lost it. Bears could be checking waiver wire in a couple weeks. McManus usually makes this team as a STer - but he is dreadful at CB.
Adrian Amos
Eddie Jackson
Deon Bush
DeAndre Houston Carson
This was written before Carson broke his arm. I think you have to add Deiondre Hall into this group. I don't know why he can't play corner.
Oh well, I come up with a 53 man roster every year and have never been right. We'll see what things look like after KC.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 23, 2018, 02:24:02 pm
Running back could be a surprise position at 3 and 4. I don't think Mizzel makes it, ... Knile Davis could make it here based on experience and his ability to return kicks.
I would probably er on the side of carrying 3 QBs for at least the first month of the season.
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2018, 02:55:48 pm
The list above is from the article.
Doran Grant is kind of like the tallest midget among the free agent CBs.
Bears could be in a serious world of hurt if Fuller or Amukamora go down. It should be among the top need picks in next year's draft along with RT and OLB.
Post by: davebear on August 23, 2018, 03:58:50 pm
He blew a couple of coverages last week and is in the dog house.
If he can pick up his game he has a chance since he is bigger and a better athlete than the other prospects.
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2018, 04:12:06 pm
Yeah, I was hoping that too. Then I kept seeing #33 on the Denver Bronco hi-lights.
He'll get another chance Saturday.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 07:58:47 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 24, 2018, 08:37:56 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 09:26:43 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 24, 2018, 09:33:43 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 11:54:47 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 11:55:34 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 12:05:08 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-trade-khalil-mack-rosenbloom-20180824-story.html
....But the potential of a stud in the Bears defense is worth posting here even though the article is more like baloney.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 12:09:00 pm
Post by: boogie on August 24, 2018, 12:20:50 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 24, 2018, 12:51:57 pm
Next to QB, edge rusher is the hardest position to find in the NFL.
Pace appears to be committing to the youngsters Fitts and Irving so far this season, but like CB, I wouldn't be surprised if things go South (with Floyd and Lynch injuries) that Pace brings in some some veterans.
Post by: stelz on August 24, 2018, 09:15:33 pm
https://es.pn/2o9cAiS
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 10:11:15 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2018, 11:22:06 pm
Post by: Pekin on August 25, 2018, 01:57:34 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 25, 2018, 07:09:41 am
Still, this team needs as many reps as possible in the new offense as it can get, and will it be able to do so with the 2nd & 3rd string teamers ? There were too many self-inflicted wounds with the starters last week to be too happy with the result....
If they did it because they are scared of injuries, then what happened to "callousing the team" that was the talk back at camp ? I do really hope that it was planned (as they say) and not a knee-jerk reaction to the freak injuries to Shaheen, Floyd and Houston-Carson. Nothing is worse than doing something out of fear without proper thinking through the potential side-effects.....
So it looks like the starting offense wont get on the field until Sunday night vs the dreaded Packers in the "100" year Packer opener. They had better not look inept offensively or it could get ugly up in cheese-head land and even more so for Bears fandom......
That said, Go Bears !
On a side note, anyone see the Lions ending of the 2nd half ? Clock management ala John Fox :) Go from the 30 something and a few shots at the endzone. Good completion to get into Bucs territory with like 30 secs and 3 timeouts to a late timeout then a sack and another late timeout (with like 7 secs left), long (62 yarder) FG that is missed and turned into a bucs TD. Pretty funny (not so much for Lions fans tho :D)). Patricia has his work cut out for him for sure....
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2018, 07:19:06 am
Bank on it. Its coming to your TV.
Post by: boogie on August 25, 2018, 08:03:07 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 26, 2018, 07:21:08 am
Strange that this game with 2nd stringers looked better than the starters last year in most of the real games...
This week had some funny stuff for sure. Trubisjky mimicking Chase Daniels after his run was funny as hell.....
https://twitter.com/_MarcusD2_/status/1033408770481827840/photo/1
Also a side funny note (other than the Lions 2nd quarter ending drive with the returned FG for TD) was seeing Kiko Alonso (dead tired but still a veteran) head over to the wrong sideline and the reactions of everyone involved. It also was a delay of game penalty on the Defense as he had to recross the field to the Dolphins sideline.
Football is back baby ! :D
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 26, 2018, 07:25:39 am
And wow, for the crap that Belechik takes for how he dresses, Patricia takes it another step
Post by: Dave23 on August 26, 2018, 08:56:42 am
He has looked great the past two games.
Post by: dallasbear on August 26, 2018, 10:39:49 pm
You weren't the only one.
He knows where to go with the ball for sure and has surprising speed when protection breaks down. Don't know that he can make all the throws that Trubisky can but in Nagy's offense maybe he doesn't have to.
But could there be a QB controversy if Trubisky struggles at the start of the season?
Post by: davep on August 26, 2018, 11:03:21 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 27, 2018, 04:47:41 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2018, 07:35:54 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2018, 09:41:42 am
It tells me that Kush is most likely our LG. Daniels is our swing inside guy. Since Daniels can back up 3 spots then you go with the project Morgan over the established vet Watford.
I don't see Grasu making it and really didn't pay any attention to Will Pericek.
Next question is how serious is Bradley Sowell's injury. Coward is one of a few on the fence.
P.S. I don't like Kush as a starter.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2018, 10:06:06 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2018, 10:11:49 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2018, 10:22:03 am
WR is a good problem. The guy on the fence is Bellamy.
Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, White and Wims are absolute locks, but Bellamy (and McManus) might make the team as STers. (If Kevin White is showcased Thursday I wouldn't be surprised if he's traded - that's assuming Robinson is good to go).
I don't think we can afford to keep QB Bray and I'm not that crazy about the backup HBs - Mizzell or Nall look PS bound. I'm a huge fan of Cunningham. The guy that they may actually keep in the backfield is the fullback Burton.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2018, 10:38:58 am
"As for the 53-man roster conversation, the Bears have entered Week 1 with six receivers in all three seasons under general manager Ryan Pace. And, for what it’s worth, Nagy’s Chiefs kept six last year. A top six seems to have established itself this summer: Allen Robinson, Taylor Gabriel, Anthony Miller, White, Josh Bellamy and Wims. We’ll see if it shakes out that way."
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2018, 11:00:37 am
Bellamy is a better receiver than McManus is a DB, but I think Bellamy may be in for a battle with Bennie Fowler.
Injuries to Shaheen, Sowell, and Houston-Carson will make predicting a 53 man roster difficult.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2018, 11:12:29 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-breaking-down-the-roster-cuts-saturday/
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2018, 11:34:42 am
I have some disagreements.
5 TEs? I like Braunecker and Brown but when Shaheen comes back - do we really need 5? Maybe Braunecker gets sent back to the PS. I'm so-so on Sims but until Shaheen emerges Sims is our most complete TE.
5 DL? Who is the backup NT? John Jenkins may make the team as the backup NT, but I also like Nick Williams. We need 6 guys.
5 ILBs? Not a huge fan of John Timu. Keep 4.
6 CBs? McMcanis doesn't count - he's horrible on defense. LeBlanc is too slow to play anything other than nickel. Callahan might be an option at corner but he's the starting nickel. I just don't know about Cooper. I think Grant has to make the team with Joseph and Tolliver going to the PS.
4 safeties? How long is Houston-Carson out? Hall started out well against KC but later on missed at least a couple tackles - one on STs. Remember he hasn't played much his first 2 years with the Bears and he's a converted CB. Bush is not on the bubble.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2018, 12:58:27 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 27, 2018, 03:17:18 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 27, 2018, 03:22:26 pm
Bray is gone, Burton stays. 5 TEs yes and 6 WRs. I would shed no tears if Bellamy was released. I doubt Fowler makes it either, I like what little I have seen of Marlon Brown. We could be looking to stock up on safeties to play special teams at the expense of the receivers.
Agree about Timu, he will be waiting for our call. I don't know why, but I do like Grant - I think Dallas called him the tallest midget.
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2018, 04:15:08 pm
Not very PC of me - I mean I like Peter Dinklage of Game of Thrones. But you know what I mean.
Bears have serious depth concerns at CB. From 2015 thru 2017 they drafted 5 safeties: Amos in 2016, then Bush, Hall and Carson-Houston in 2016 and in 2017 Eddie Jackson. None higher than the 4th round. Last CB they drafted was Fuller in 2014. The rest of our corners are all undrafted FAs with the exception of Amukamura.
I see your point about Bellamy. Bears could probably get buy with 5 WRs since Burton splits out frequently and they may go with 5 TEs on the roster. They just need a good STer...possibly a DB.
Expect some churn at the bottom of the 53 man roster after the last PS game.
Post by: navigator on August 28, 2018, 06:20:22 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2018, 09:44:54 am
NAV
I hear ya. In a perfect world you'd have your 2nd, 3rd and 4th year backup TEs, CBs, LBs, and safeties handling all your STs. But there are guys that are so good on STs that you need to resign yourself to reserving a roster spot for them. That guy for the Bears is McManis. He's older and the Bears would be severely exposed if he had to play corner but that guy can cover kicks...consistently.
As for long snapper I bet you won't find one LSer that is a backup center. After they snap the ball they have to run like a LBer downfield and make a tackle (talking about punts). You'd like to find a backup LBer to be your LSer but these guys spend a lot of time working with punter and the placeholder - it requires a specialist.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2018, 09:50:21 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/27/bears-wont-be-able-to-stash-wr-javon-wims-on-practice-squad/
Post by: joki13 on August 28, 2018, 11:05:14 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2018, 11:22:54 am
It's another Captain Obvious article written by Bryan Perez.
Wims is a lock to make the team. The only question is whether he makes the 46 man roster game 1. Assuming Bellamy makes the team there's a chance Wims is inactive starting out.
But WR is probably the easiest position in the NFL to get a guy into a game for a few plays here and there. Next would be D-line.
Post by: guest118 on August 28, 2018, 11:23:37 am
I also believe Aaron Lynch will be cut. Some of these guys and their endless injuries....at some point you have to say what's going on here - 3 injuries this year?
And Smith missing camp ruined his season....is he going to be another one of these guys that does not want to go to camp and hurt all the time?
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2018, 11:49:54 am
Bears will not cut Wims....100%...bet the farm....guaranteed.
I wouldn't cut Lynch just yet. Yes, he's been a medical mess the last couple years. Some have questioned his dedication. BUT he's got a Fangio connection and I'd be willing to give a chance to a guy that is 6-6 with 34" arms that ran a 4.6+ 40 coming out of college. And if it means cutting Kasim Edabali, yeah I'm good with it.
Right now we're going into Green Bay with Floyd with a club hand, Sam Acho who is more of a 4-3 backer, rookie Kylie Fitts who has had an injury history of his own, and undrafted FA Isiah Irving...hell yeah, lets see what Lynch can do.
Post by: Sportster on August 28, 2018, 12:29:13 pm
Post by: BearHit on August 28, 2018, 12:40:50 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2018, 02:37:46 pm
Agreed
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2018, 02:42:03 pm
Post by: Sportster on August 28, 2018, 02:49:03 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 28, 2018, 03:03:35 pm
My gut tells me that one of these 3 will be slowed due to recovery and we will be counting on contributions from White and Wims. I feel this is the season that White will respond and be healthy. I feel we will see alot of Wims in the red zone and we will love it! Not expecting a 14 TD season out of Robinson, but if we could get 14 out of those 3 combined, count me in!
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2018, 03:29:09 pm
Exactly.
Robinson missed almost the entire season in 2017 with an ACL and didn't catch a single pass in preseason but everyone is penciling him in as our #1. Is he ready to play 60 snaps in game 1? Gabriel was a 3rd receiver with the Falcons - does that mean he's the slot guy in Nagy's offense - I dunno.
In the PS we often saw formations with 3 WRs just on one side of the ball!
WRs are like thoroughbred horses - long with skinny legs. More injury prone than Clydesdales. We'll need all 6 throughout the season - hopefully not more.
Post by: davebear on August 28, 2018, 04:06:06 pm
With all the "new" in the offense I expect the passing game to struggle the first half of the season.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 29, 2018, 05:18:39 am
Not sure of a good comp for Robinson... a receiver who suffered an ACL tear and then came back to have a strong productive year the following season. That is the ideal comp, but I don't know who that is. The only player I recall to come back to their former self right out of the gate after injury was Adrian Peterson. I want Robinson to be great. Outstanding. I am just skeptical that he will be 100% himself until midseason this year - and I believe that to be optimistic. We may not see the best of Robinson until next season, but I would love to be proven wrong!
I think White will be the first of the next tier to have his number called and his legs are now two season from significant injury. He looks to have his juice, and if he can stack good performances we just might see that pick return some dividends. White has an injury history too though, so... I thinks Wims will be worked into our red zone package, and I think we are going to be really tough to defend in the red zone. Robinson, Miller, Shaheen, White Wims - lots of good options and I left out some obvious ones It actually looks like we have some tools to work with this year and we are running a big boy offense. Can't wait!
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2018, 08:45:41 am
Why haven’t the Bears made a move to at least add depth at outside linebacker? The Lions traded for Eli Harold and the Titans traded for Kamalei Correa. Maybe neither is great, but could they have helped the Bears? — Dean T., South Side
"Certainly a fair question and one that came in multiple formats this week. If Twitter is an accurate gauge of public opinion, Bears fans are far more onboard with coach Matt Nagy’s decision to sit nearly all starters in the preseason game Saturday against the Chiefs than they are with the depth chart at outside linebacker. The Lions picked up Harold, a third-round pick in 2015, from the 49ers in exchange for what has been reported to be a conditional seventh-round pick in 2020. Harold had five sacks in three seasons in San Francisco. Correa’s name might be familiar to some Bears fans, especially if they recall seeing him this month in the Hall of Fame Game. He had a team-high six tackles with three sacks, two tackles for loss, one interception, two pass deflections and one forced fumble in the Ravens’ 17-16 win. Correa, a second-round pick in 2016, was shipped to the Titans on Tuesday, and the Ravens reportedly will receive a sixth-round pick in 2019. So both players were moved for little in return. Here’s one thing I can assure you: Many teams are on the lookout for pass-rushing help.
Here is what I surmise: The Bears are more comfortable with their depth chart at outside linebacker than most people. Nagy hasn’t come out and explained this in detail, as he did the decision to rest his starters, but it has become more and more apparent they’re at least OK with what they have behind starters Leonard Floyd and Sam Acho. That list includes largely inactive Aaron Lynch, Isaiah Irving, rookie Kylie Fitts and potentially Kasim Edebali. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of an addition if the Bears see someone on the street they believe has some upside. Another position worth watching for a possible addition for depth would be cornerback."
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2018, 08:52:01 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 29, 2018, 09:40:37 am
Still, I think the D slides this year but the O improves. The net effect will be to cancel out and another 6-10, 7-9 season awaits. The real jump will be next year (or not).......
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 29, 2018, 09:49:56 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 29, 2018, 10:45:37 am
D could slide...but it actually could improve. Injuries of course could be the deciding factor.
We're returning our 4 DBs...they're a solid but an unspectacular group without a pro-bowl guy...maybe Jackson is that guy or Fuller if he builds on last season. Problem is depth - no #3 CB emerging. Safety took a hit with the guy with 2 last names breaking his arm.
ILBs could be the deepest position on defense. Once Smith gets into shape with Trevathian and Kwiatowski both solid performers...and throw in the 4th rounder...does he have a nickname or something? Of course last season we were strong here too with Jerrell Freeman and Christian Jones. Bears got a lot faster but not as experienced. And no - John Timu does not make the team.
D-line could take a hit against the run with Unrein bolting. But I'm a huge fan of Ray Robertson-hyphen. He and Bullard will bring it on the pass rush. Hope Hicks can last the season - they need to reduce his plays a bit. And yes they need Jenkins to backup NT Goldman, but he might not dress on most Sundays.
OLB - All I can say is that Fangio really must think Fitts and Irving have what it takes - they are fast, young and hungry. And who knows if Willie Young and Lamarr Houston aren't fat tubs of goo right now. But this position and CB could see some activity this weekend by Pace.
Post by: boogie on August 29, 2018, 11:01:17 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2018, 09:28:40 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/29/predicting-the-bears-53-man-roster-after-4-preseason-games/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 30, 2018, 09:32:06 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2018, 09:45:51 am
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2018, 10:01:05 am
You know for a player to be snarfed off a practice squad he has to be signed to a 53 man roster. Supposedly Tolliver had a better game against the Chiefs than he did against the Broncos. I'll keep an eye on him against the Bills. With his measurables and our depth at CB it won't take a lot to make the team.
As for Bryan Perez' latest predictions. We're starting to agree more.
I see he has cut Timu and added Jenkins. He's also added guard Will Pericak. I dunno about that. If you have both Sowell and Coward as your backups you can always play Sowell at guard if needed. He played there last year for the Bears in a couple games whe Long was out.
Can't see the Bears going with 4 safeties if one of them is Houston-Carson. He's gonna be out a month of games. Bears might have to keep Hall - even though he was inconsistent tackling against the Chiefs.
Finally, Perez says Grasu is on the block. Call Jerry Jones. Travis Frederick could be out for a few games. They have a backup but his backup just got hurt last week. Bears will cut Grasu but teams that have a need won't have to fight over him when he goes on waivers.
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2018, 11:55:32 am
from the Trib:
All-Day Tyler Bray
The Bears plan for Bray to play the whole game, a sizable opportunity for the third-string quarterback. It’s worth noting that Nagy’s Chiefs kept Bray as the third quarterback on the 53-man roster in three of the last four seasons. And the exception was 2015, when Bray was placed on the non-football injury list. In other words, Nagy is accustomed to keeping three quarterbacks and having Bray as that guy. We’ll see if he remains on the team after Saturday, but starter Mitch Trubisky at least appreciates his contributions. “He’s an absolute pro,” Trubisky said. “And I think we have one of the best quarterback rooms across the league. Tyler has been in this offense just like (backup Chase Daniel). He knows the ins and outs. He can help the young guys line up. He has total command in the huddle.”
Sims and Shaheen are banged up....safety Houston-Carson has a broken arm. Can the Bears afford a 3rd QB who is not a developmental guy? I know he knows the offense and looks good in the PS - but he's only attempted one pass in a real NFL game. Sounds like Nagy really likes him though. This may sound bad but maybe he gets an "injury" tonight and gets put on IR. That way he gets paid and participates in the QB room and more importantly doesn't tie up a roster spot.
Post by: BearHit on August 30, 2018, 12:24:33 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 31, 2018, 04:10:27 am
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2018, 07:34:00 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 31, 2018, 07:41:33 am
Maybe due to the fact that the 1st string offense didn't play all that much ? Not quite sure what to think.....
There didn't seem to many glaring errors as in years past (that "duh uh" moment). The challenges were legit (and the one failed on the 'catch' was still a catch in my eyes) and generally successful all preseason....
Again, not sure what to think as it was preseason, but this team has a different feel to it than the last several years. I'm not sure if it is genuine hope or just relief that the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train coming at me......
Go Bears !
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2018, 09:40:15 am
Actually, I have been rooting for Tolliver over Grant but that Grant kid keeps making plays. Tolliver looks destined for the PS...if he's lucky.
As for our 2nd string offense looking better than first string. A lot of that is Nagy's offense. But we really haven't seen our first team offense yet. That is, with Robinson, Gabriel, Cohen, Burton, White, Miller and Howard all on the field at the same time. I'm sure the Packers' new D-coordinator will not get much sleep next week.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2018, 10:21:49 am
"The knee-jerk reaction is always negative when the idea of trading away multiple first-round picks is raised. But consider this: Would any Bears fan hesitate to trade Floyd and Kevin White for Mack? In fact, aside from Trubisky, are there any first-round picks over the last 10 years that would be considered too valuable to trade for Mack?"
Would I do that? Wouldnt take a nanosecond to say yes. Do I think the Raiders would be satisfied with that? Only a moron would. Would I trade 2019 and 2020 #1's for Mack? Not on your life.
OTOH do I hold any faith that Lynch will actually see the field this year and be productive? Absolutely not. Do I think Lynch would make a good OLB assistant coach for Fangio? Yes.
Should the Bears cut Lynch? Depends. Depends on if they can find an adequate replacement and solid evaluation of Lynch's medical condition. Right now I woulddnt bet a quarter he sees the field this year. IMHO they still need help. And I sure wouldnt cut Edibali.
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2018, 11:20:43 am
Not sure Raiders actually want to trade him just yet - but they may be talking to the Browns. Packers and Jets are also on the list. If any team should do this deal it should be the Pack who are legit SB contenders. Do they have enough cash after paying Rodgers?
Raiders not only want 2 first rounders but Mack wants $20M per year. Could hamper FA signings and our own team re-signing.
But damm, Mack and Floyd would so freakin' awesome!
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2018, 12:02:11 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2018, 12:21:17 pm
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2018, 03:07:26 pm
The reference to Floyd and White was that in the past Bears first rounders have not been up to par and that no fan would argue giving up those 2 for Mack. He's basically saying Pace will most likely miss on our next 2 first rounders anyway based on past experience so why not give up 2019 and 2020 picks and get a sure thing in Mack.
No way do the Raiders take White and Floyd, who both have durability questions, for a guy who Perez thinks could be destined for the Hall of Fame.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2018, 03:53:43 pm
But consider this: Would any Bears fan hesitate to trade Floyd and Kevin White for Mack?
Your reading comprehension is horrible. You are challenging Oddo for reading comprehension.
Plus I even said the the Raiders werent moronic enough to take that deal. Good Grief! Enough of the insults, please!
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2018, 04:01:07 pm
You slam my reading comprehension, compare me to Oddo and complain that I'm insulting????
The way I read it was Perez is not proposing an actual trade for Malik for White and Floyd. He's just suggesting that Bears first round draft choices haven't really worked out so we'd be better off trading future ones for an established vet.
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2018, 04:23:42 pm
Biggs has come out with his final 53...really hard to argue with him since I have been proposing some of his picks for more than a couple weeks.
So my disagreement is not with Biggs but with Nagy. Cut Bray. Keep Doran Grant. I have always liked Deiondre Hall (6-2 with 34 1/2 arms but I think he's had a rough preseason at FS - you'd like to see him make the team.
TE situation is a mess. If you have 5 healthy ones then I'd keep 4, but we only have 2 healthy ones.
If Nall can develop his blocking skills he could cause some mismatch problems at FB - he caught 27 balls at Oregon last year so he should have decent hands.
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2018, 05:08:08 pm
You slam my reading comprehension, compare me to Oddo and complain that I'm insulting????
The way I read it was Perez is not proposing an actual trade for Malik for White and Floyd. He's just suggesting that Bears first round draft choices haven't really worked out so we'd be better off trading future ones for an established vet.
Well I certainly didnt read it that way. Maybe I need to sharpen my skills. However, You do have to trade SOMETHING of value to receive something. And right now White has value. I would be willing to part with White and a 2020 1st round pick for Mack. but certainly not not 2 firsts. And not 2019 because of the Miller pick. I could understand trading from strength to fill a hole but we really cant do that. We havent gotten quite that strong yet.
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2018, 05:19:49 pm
I am a fan of White...not a huge fan...but I'd like to see him succeed. But right now I'd say he has very little trade value. I mean, he's played only a handful of games in 3 seasons and just made it through a preseason where he played in 3 games and scored ONE touchdown.
If the Bears somewhat feature him during the beginning of the season and he responds, then he might have some trade value before the deadline. Maybe 5th or 6th rounder eventually but not right now.
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 01, 2018, 07:59:00 am
Swinging for the fences for sure... Hopefully the Bears "Reggie White" signing :D
Post by: wmljohn on September 01, 2018, 07:59:38 am
Bears reach agreement to trade for Khalil Mack
The Raiders and Bears have an agreement in place to trade Khalil Mack to Chicago, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
The sides are still working on the trade, sources said, but the Raiders are now planning to send Mack to Chicago.
Mack, the No. 5 overall pick of the 2014 draft, had stayed away from the Raiders' voluntary offseason training program and held out of the team's mandatory three-day minicamp in June.
The Raiders exercised the fifth-year option on Mack last summer, worth $13.846 million. They could have had him play under it this season and, barring the impasse, could have used a franchise tag on him in 2019.
Returning Raiders coach Jon Gruden, hired in January, had yet to meet Mack.
Mack made league history in 2015 by being named first-team All-Pro at both outside linebacker and defensive end. In 2016, Mack was the NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Last season, though, his 10.5 sacks were his fewest since his rookie year, and he was not named to the All-Pro team.
Still, he has 40.5 career sacks, and his 185.5 quarterback pressures since coming into the league in 2014 lead the NFL in that time frame, according to Pro Football Focus.
Post by: wmljohn on September 01, 2018, 08:00:58 am
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Post by: davebear on September 01, 2018, 08:17:40 am
Post by: boogie on September 01, 2018, 08:39:00 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 01, 2018, 09:00:02 am
Pace is not rebuilding for a future 2 or 3 years down the line.
He's seen enough from Nagy's team to believe they are a Super Bowl contender now and almost have all the pieces in place.
You can be assured that with all the other teams involved in trade talks that the Bears did not get off easy in terms of compensation. We may be lucky if we give up only 2 first rounders.
I'll say this when Floyd is at full strength you'll be hard pressed to find a better front 7 in the league than in Chicago (assuming Floyd wasn't part of the deal).
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 01, 2018, 09:02:07 am
That said even before this trade, this team has a different vibe to it than previous years.....
Post by: Dave23 on September 01, 2018, 09:06:17 am
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 01, 2018, 11:59:41 am
Probably wont need him now. ;D
Post by: boogie on September 01, 2018, 12:19:57 pm
Post by: Dave23 on September 01, 2018, 12:20:23 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 01, 2018, 12:24:35 pm
I have a feeling Aaron Lynch is going to made a miraculous recovery.
Doubt that, more likely Lynch plays assistant OLB coach for Fangio
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Post by: Dave23 on September 01, 2018, 01:44:28 pm
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OL Earl WatfordRoster #: 70
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OL Brandon GreeneMoves Left: 17
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DB Doran Grant
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WR Demarcus Ayers
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WR Tanner Gentry
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P Ryan Winslow
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CB Cre'Von LeBlanc
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LB Josh Woods
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WR Garrett Johnson
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LB John Timu
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WR Malachi Jones
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ILB Jonathan Anderson
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RB Knile Davis
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RB Ryan Nall
Post by: octagon on September 01, 2018, 02:43:14 pm
Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick.
Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick.
Post by: octagon on September 01, 2018, 02:47:44 pm
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2018, 03:18:34 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 01, 2018, 03:20:02 pm
Honestly love the deal. Mack is the missing piece in this defense. Now we have a pass rush. He will literally make every other player on defense better. Our secondary might just start looking better than mediocre with a legit pass rush.
I really did not expect us to contend for the playoffs this year. Now I do. Go Bears!
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 01, 2018, 03:20:19 pm
Post by: octagon on September 01, 2018, 03:25:18 pm
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2018, 03:36:34 pm
I guess Pace figures the Bears are a young team with young players at all positions and no glaring weaknesses other than pass rush.
Would like to see an upgrade to Leno in the near future, but he's serviceable (unless he gets Trubisky hurt!)
The only other positions of concern to me are Long due to injury history and Amakamura, although he's been healthy the last two years.
But with the impact Mack brings those concerns become less important.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 01, 2018, 03:43:28 pm
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 01, 2018, 04:29:22 pm
Biggs swings and misses again
Post by: dallasbear on September 01, 2018, 05:04:25 pm
Another ballsy move by Pace. I think Pace (and Bear fans) realized that with our current pass rush it would be difficult to beat the Packers. This move gives us a much better chance.
Bears will have some holes in the roster next year, like right tackle and corner, but they may have resolved the most difficult spot to fill on defense in edge rusher.
Now even more pressure is placed on the QB. If Trubisky produces you can fill those other positions with 3rd rounders and targeted free agents.
Post by: method on September 01, 2018, 05:05:24 pm
Mack is going to break those numbers like 6/120/75
Post by: VJ on September 01, 2018, 05:10:53 pm
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Post by: boogie on September 01, 2018, 07:28:00 pm
Getty Images
The NFL’s waiver wire officially lists Khalil Mack as having been traded to the Bears, and Chicago has made the other moves necessary to get down to the 53-player roster limit.
Mack will, of course, be the biggest name of today’s transactions, and maybe the biggest move of the year in the NFL. But the Bears also made a host of other moves:
Players waived were Dejon Allen, Abdullah Anderson, Jonathan Anderson, DeMarcus Ayers, Tanner Carew, Rashard Fant, John Franklin, Tanner Gentry, Doran Grant, Brandon Greene, Ro'Derrick Hoskins, Garrett Johnson, Malachi Jones, Michael Joseph, Cre'von LeBlanc, Johnathon Mincy, Taquan Mizzell, Jordan Morgan, Ryan Nall, Elijah Norris, Nick Orr, Will Pericak, Colin Thompson, John Timu, Cavon Walker, Ryan Winslow and Josh Woods.
Vested veterans released were Tyler Bray, Knile Davis, Kasim Edebali, Bennie Fowler, John Jenkins, Matt McCants and Nicholas Williams.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 01, 2018, 07:46:31 pm
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/9/1/17810410/chicago-bears-trade-deiondre-hall-to-the-philadelphia-eagles-ryan-pace-suspension-conditional-pick
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 01, 2018, 07:50:37 pm
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Post by: Sportster on September 02, 2018, 09:45:51 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2018, 12:58:55 pm
The Mack signing overshadowed the Bears 53 man.
Grasu (I caught some of the Bills game and he looked very good - I'm still thinking he's trade bait - we already have 3 other guys that can play center and thats the only position he plays)
Cooper - Bears went with experience at CB
Tolliver - fan favorite on this forum - didn't really show much but coaches must like his size and potential
Burton - Bears felt more comfortable with a true FB over the rookie Nall who is a better runner but not near the blocker
Doran Grant - had the best PS of any of the rookie/FA corners - PS candidate
John Jenkins - Bears don't have a true NT backup - guess they'll play a lot of 4-3 and Goldman better stay healthy
LeBlanc - strictly a nickel back - and a backup at that
Bray - Bears had too many needs to keep a 3rd non-developmental QB who has throw one pass in an NFL game - had a good preseason
Timu - Bears drafted 2 ILBs - cya
Lynch/Fitts/Irving - one may be gone next week when Mack is put on the 53 man
Post by: 46 on September 02, 2018, 02:14:09 pm
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2018, 04:27:33 pm
Asked to characterize Mack’s chances of playing against the Packers, Nagy said: “Hopefully pretty good. We’re going to do everything we can to get him to a point where he can play(against the Pack).”
Post by: boogie on September 02, 2018, 08:22:09 pm
Grasu, 27, played 14 games, starting 12 in three seasons with the Bears. He spent the 2016 season on injured reserve.
In 2017, Grasu started four games at center. He played 259 offensive snaps.
Williams, a seventh-round pick of the Steelers in 2013 out of Samford, played 26 games in his career with Kansas City and Miami.
He missed his rookie season with an injury, never playing a down for Pittsburgh.
Williams has 12 career tackles.
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 03, 2018, 07:16:44 am
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Post by: VJ on September 03, 2018, 04:37:51 pm
I would've kept LeBlanc or Grant over Cooper but what do I know. Maybe that $750k guaranteed and his veteran "experience" had something to do with it.
Post by: WshflThinking on September 03, 2018, 04:40:22 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2018, 07:12:02 pm
Cooper was injured in the preseason, but he had problems covering guys last year losing his job to Fuller. Most had LeBlanc and Grant good bets to make the team.
Regardless of what you think of Burton - he'll probably suit up game 1. Nall, unless there's an injury would have been in street clothes.
Nagy and his coordinators did not have any connection with Burton from last season - so I guess they valued his blocking more than Nall's running/receiving/blocking skills.
Post by: davebear on September 03, 2018, 07:43:57 pm
I guess with his size they feel they can develop him.
Leblanc was always limited by his size and missed a lot of plays because of it.
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2018, 09:51:38 pm
LeBlanc made up for his size with his toughness and strength. But he just doesn't have the speed to play anything but nickel back.
Callahan is about the same size, maybe not as aggressive, but has the speed to play corner.
Bear couldn't afford to keep a backup nickel only back.
Post by: Pekin on September 03, 2018, 11:52:47 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 04, 2018, 07:38:56 am
Go Bears !
Post by: navigator on September 04, 2018, 07:56:57 am
Post by: WshflThinking on September 04, 2018, 08:09:56 am
I think an underappreciated aspect of the Mack signing is the effect of saying "we are ready to win now" and the confidence of those who have made the team has to be sky high. As I said before the trade there is a different vibe to this team than in years past......
Go Bears !
I think the missing message is that the rebuild is over and its time to win big. Its time to take the training wheels off the bike.
Post by: BearHit on September 04, 2018, 08:44:55 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2018, 09:24:26 am
It wouldn't surprise me if Mack and Smith are limited the first week or two and that Rogers and company take advantage of that by running no huddle when they are off the field.
Good point. You figure Mack probably hasn't picked up the defense yet and the Bears could limit him to 3rd down passing situations against the Pack since his only responsibility would be to get to Rodgers.
As for Smith, assuming he's dang near 100%, I could see the Bears giving him occasional series. He should know his role on the defense by now and Trevathian will be making the calls not him.
Post by: method on September 04, 2018, 09:31:22 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2018, 10:43:53 am
Kahlil Mack rips hamstring in Packer game - out 6 weeks
I don't think the plan is for Mack dropping into coverage too often - so his role is pretty much defined. But I'm more concerned with Mack not attending any of the organized training with the Raiders this offseason. Maybe he's in game shape - I dunno. But conservatively I'd limit him to 20 snaps or so.
How many new Bears tweaked their hammy this summer? I know Roquan Smith and Aaron Lynch did.
Nobody wants to be told they will be limited in play time with a new toy. But Bears got to be smart in easing Mack into playing full time.
Post by: BearHit on September 04, 2018, 11:24:45 am
Post by: davebear on September 04, 2018, 12:38:21 pm
All he has to do is learn a new defense, get to know his team, and coaches, get in football shape, respond to the media, find a new residence and get his stuff moved from Oakland.
Post by: 46 on September 04, 2018, 01:08:32 pm
Post by: guest118 on September 04, 2018, 01:09:10 pm
Smith I am guessing will not play much. I worried about Floyd.
Post by: joki13 on September 04, 2018, 05:59:57 pm
Post by: davebear on September 04, 2018, 06:43:30 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 04, 2018, 07:32:24 pm
I think J. Howard has a monster game. Over 120 yards with 2 TD's.
Post by: davebear on September 04, 2018, 09:40:40 pm
I'll hold my optimism until they win a game.
Post by: navigator on September 05, 2018, 04:46:21 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 05, 2018, 04:51:43 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 05, 2018, 06:52:40 am
Post by: BearHit on September 05, 2018, 07:37:13 am
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2018, 08:05:03 am
I think the play calling will be fine. Its the execution by the 1st string Offense (who have seen comparatively little time vs other teams on the field) that will make the difference in this game.....
The biggest issue I see is there isnt the cohesiveness yet on the Oline due to lack of live game situations. All they get is practice against there own teammates.
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 05, 2018, 09:22:56 am
Of course it was only PS and I think they kind of shut down the O after the big lead because it was PS, but it felt wrong after the 1st half...
Here's hoping it is not a trend. Personally I don't think so but these Bears are different this year for sure.....
Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2018, 10:21:55 am
The major things you get out of preseason is evaluating individual personnel and avoidance of injuries.
Post by: wmljohn on September 05, 2018, 08:13:57 pm
I HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING JJ!!
I will share it tomorrow.
Post by: navigator on September 06, 2018, 05:35:45 am
Post by: wmljohn on September 06, 2018, 06:21:13 am
You are not going to believe what this dumb fucker has done to himself.
Read the attached letter... Only jj could be this pigheaded.
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Post by: wmljohn on September 06, 2018, 06:22:27 am
Post by: Sportster on September 06, 2018, 06:35:35 am
Post by: wmljohn on September 06, 2018, 06:37:29 am
I thought the same. Only $350? That is one of those regretful drunk bets that your friend should let slide.
Post by: VJ on September 06, 2018, 06:51:28 am
Post by: wmljohn on September 06, 2018, 07:11:41 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 06, 2018, 07:39:53 am
Ask him what he thinks about da Raiduhs with Gruden... :D
Post by: boogie on September 06, 2018, 08:30:58 am
Post by: 46 on September 06, 2018, 09:33:35 am
Post by: navigator on September 06, 2018, 10:40:05 am
Post by: boogie on September 06, 2018, 12:43:36 pm
Bears at Packers
MDS’s take: The Bears are a lot more than just Khalil Mack away from winning the NFC North.
MDS’s pick: Packers 27, Bears 17.
Florio’s take: The presence of Khalil Mack makes this one more interesting. But not so interesting that the Bears can actually win it.
Florio’s pick: Packers 34, Bears 21.
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2018, 01:51:21 pm
Earth to Bears fans - Packers are the better team...today.
Offensively. #1 QB in the NFL (arguably). They got a better O-line, primarily at OT - interior is about equal. Better TE in Graham. We don't have a better WR than Davonte Adams. Bears better at HB with the Howard/Cohen combo.
Defensively. Our 4 linebackers are better than their 4. Our front 3 and their front 3 about even. DBs about even - slight edge to Bears - Bears first 4 probably better but Packer may have better depth.
On paper Packers are better.
Doesn't mean that they will win though. Numerous wildcards on Bears. New set of receivers: Robinson, White, Gabriel, Miller and Burton. QB - is Trubisky the next Goff? Defensively, Mack. And can Floyd be a factor? And what about Roquan Smith? (did you know he can blitz too?)
Post by: ISF on September 06, 2018, 02:39:20 pm
You're thinking of New Orleans Graham. That guy is gone.
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2018, 03:51:52 pm
That guy...the downfield threat IS gone.
That guy...the redzone threat is not.
57 receptions last year 10 TDs. And now he's got Aaron Rodgers throwing to him.
But I agree I may be underestimating the production of Burton but he has to show it in real games before I give him the edge over Graham.
Post by: ISF on September 06, 2018, 04:02:48 pm
He'll get some TDs this year, but his 80 catch seasons are behind him.
Burton could legitimately put up 90 catches this year. That will depend on how well Trubisky plays and how productive the WRs are.
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2018, 04:57:25 pm
I would say that there are more unknowns associated with Trubisky and Burton than Rodgers and Graham.
But Graham doesn't line up against Burton, so both could be productive this season for their respective teams.
Post by: guest118 on September 07, 2018, 12:30:22 am
Healthy Allen Robinson better the Adams.
Gabriel and Cohen the factors the Peckers will not prepare for.
Post by: guest118 on September 07, 2018, 12:33:33 am
Post by: Dave23 on September 07, 2018, 09:08:41 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2018, 11:10:29 am
Healthy Allen Robinson better the Adams.
Gabriel and Cohen the factors the Peckers will not prepare for.
I guess you are wearing your Honey Bears outfit - full Bears cheerleader mode this morning, right?
Post by: boogie on September 07, 2018, 12:13:05 pm
The #Bears and standout NT Eddie Goldman have reached an agreement in principle on a 4-year contract extension worth $42M-plus with $25M guaranteed, I’m told. One of the highest paid players at his position in the NFL. Massive. 💰💰💰
Post by: Dave23 on September 07, 2018, 12:40:44 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2018, 12:51:41 pm
Post by: davebear on September 07, 2018, 01:00:34 pm
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2018, 01:18:05 pm
Eddie is due for a monster year. He needs to start dominating the middle of the line and getting more pressure on the QB. One and half sacks over 15 games won't cut it.
Post by: davebear on September 07, 2018, 01:30:43 pm
I didn't think they would release Jenkins.
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2018, 02:03:57 pm
Bears decided to retain a 5th DE in journeyman Nick Williams. I thought he was active in preseason but I thought John Jenkins was also. I guess they think they'll sub out Goldman on obvious passing downs and play a 4 man front and pray Goldman doesn't get injured.
If the Bears were thinking of signing Jenkins after the first week when contracts are guaranteed, they need to think again. Jenkins signed with the Giants a couple days ago.
Post by: joki13 on September 07, 2018, 02:54:45 pm
Post by: joki13 on September 07, 2018, 03:19:05 pm
Post by: boogie on September 08, 2018, 08:24:46 am
Post by: navigator on September 08, 2018, 11:15:40 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 08, 2018, 12:18:50 pm
Key words: on paper
They all have question marks but all have potential to be really productive too.
Kevin White has the best combination of speed and size of all of them but his contract situation will not help him with his future with the Bears going forward.
Let's see what happens Sunday night...
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 09, 2018, 06:36:34 am
Oh BTW **** THE PACKERS and Go Bears !
Post by: chifaninva on September 09, 2018, 11:05:50 am
Nagy and Helfrich over Fox and Loggains any day of the week. That alone will improve the product on the field. Then you add in the huge talent upgrade, how could it be any worse? I mean Mike Glennon might even be able to be serviceable. LOL And I think I saw he made the Cardinals roster, oops.
I would take Jed Clampett and Jethro Bodine over Fox and Loggains..
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2018, 11:19:09 am
Jed Clampett
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2018, 11:29:52 am
I CAN NOT WAIT!
Post by: boogie on September 09, 2018, 12:33:07 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2018, 05:06:40 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/07/bears-vs-packers-4-reasons-why-chicago-will-upset-green-bay/
Post by: guest118 on September 10, 2018, 04:04:10 pm
Bears also went in to a shell....not sure why.
Trubisky showed flashes of brilliance - just not enough. He will be a good to great QB one day - just not today. He has more than enough weapons. he had major problems with the Peckers D looks.
Mack and Roquan Smith must play almost every down.
Post by: davebear on September 10, 2018, 04:15:14 pm
He played 42 plays, I guess a lot more than expected.
Post by: dallasbear on September 10, 2018, 04:24:22 pm
Don't believe it. Packers were down 20 points in 4Q - you think they are going to huddle up?
Plus Mack was in there too much at end - Aaron Lynch looked decent with his pass rush but was used primarily in first half.
Mack had to be dead in 4Q - considering the Bears offense wasn't giving him much rest.
Post by: 46 on September 10, 2018, 09:26:42 pm
Post by: davep on September 11, 2018, 09:44:41 am
If Trubisky had hit wide open receivers to bring them into field goal territory, we would be talking about how brilliant the play calling was.
The fact is, we lost to a team that was better than we were, at this point in time. But it is the Bears that is the team on the rise.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 11, 2018, 11:35:53 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2018, 11:42:09 am
Usually by Tuesday I've moved on to next week's game. Not quite ready as that last one was hurt. But you're right - Seahawks on deck. Too bad we have to wait until Monday night.
Seahawks did lose their best receiver for the year, Baldwin. But have we ever beaten a Russell Wilson led Seahawks team?
Post by: VJ on September 11, 2018, 12:01:52 pm
No (https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/teamvsteam?opp=28), the Bears have never beaten Wilson.
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2018, 04:55:49 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 12, 2018, 05:08:15 am
Part of Nagy's growth will come from self scouting. That little play with Leno split out netted 7 and 4 yards when it was run. The sweep with Trubisky following Cohen and Howard was nice, and the first play of the game with Michael Burton running out of the t formation all netted 7 yards. I am sure Nagy is studying what he did in key down and distance formations that didn't net a first down. I point out the above running formations as it is not the standard, lining up a fullback and Howard and pounding it at the middle of the line. It was creative and it worked, and it got left in the bag when at least two first down conversions critical in the game outcome were not converted. The Sims catch and the incompletion late in the game to Miller. I would also look for some type of option play for Trubisky out of the shotgun. Nagy will learn from the difference between a win and a loss and make the adjustment.
Best case scenario, we are building a QB/Head Coach combination that lasts 10+ years and we are competing every year, like the Puke and Yellow to the North.
Post by: navigator on September 12, 2018, 06:48:01 am
Post by: wmljohn on September 12, 2018, 06:52:13 am
When Leno was lined up wide, I was expecting a bubble screen where he could lay a DB out!
I am sure that play is coming at some time.
Post by: otto105 on September 13, 2018, 05:39:43 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 14, 2018, 08:44:48 am
I wouldn't place our current defense at the 2006 level just yet, but we aren't far from it if Smith and Mack and Floyd stay healthy. I am most concerned about our dback field on this team which based on one game's performance looks pretty average. Peanut, Vasher, and Brown much greater than what we have now. Front 7 could be better on our 2018 team.
Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2018, 09:41:11 am
Yep. Front 7 WITH Roquan Smith is among the elite in the NFL. Would like to see more of Aaron Lynch spelling Floyd and Mack on Monday.
Despite his contract Kyle Fuller is a B maybe B+ corner, Amukamora maybe B---. Amos despite getting an unexpected high PFF grade last year has never been around the ball much. Jackson is young and has potential. Defensive back was ignored in the draft. We are OK with these 4 but if there are any injuries...
Watch these guys - see if they are making plays on balls in the air. They at times will shut down receivers (evidence the other night when Rodgers had a few intentional throws out of bounds), but when the ball is in the air you rarely see them near it, let alone making a play on it.
Post by: WshflThinking on September 14, 2018, 09:56:55 am
Post by: WshflThinking on September 14, 2018, 10:09:06 am
Post by: otto105 on September 14, 2018, 06:36:34 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 15, 2018, 08:28:22 am
I've seen some fans thinking the game will be a walk-over for the Bears. Where that is coming from is part of what feels weird about this team this season. Is it the 1st Quarter team that looked unstoppable or the late 2nd-4th Quarter Jaque Clouseaus that clowned around and lost the game ? I guess we'll see....
Until I see a complete game by all 3 phases I'll never be fully sold on this team beating ANYBODY....
Here's hoping they are closer to that 1st Quarter team last week than the one that showed up for the rest of the game.....
Go Bears !
Post by: davep on September 15, 2018, 10:13:20 am
That might not happen.
Post by: chifaninva on September 15, 2018, 11:50:37 am
Post by: joki13 on September 15, 2018, 03:58:34 pm
Post by: dallasbear on September 16, 2018, 01:55:59 am
Trubisky attempted 35 passes. Let's say 5 of his 7 runs were broken pass plays. That's 40 pass plays. 22 called running plays.
I really like Bennie Cunningham as a backup halfback. But I agree, there's got to be somebody else with a little more zip to return kick offs. He had just the one KO return for 18 yards. So I guess we'll see what he can do. Bears only have 3 speed guys that I can think of : Gabriel, White and Cohen.
Post by: joki13 on September 16, 2018, 08:05:30 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 16, 2018, 08:17:08 am
A self inflicted tradgedy to see a player's talent go unfullfilled. He's a 30 for 30 short for sure......
Kind of sad atm thinking about WRs like the Willie Gallimore (He looked like a modern big WR playing back in the early 60s). Such potential taken down by a car accident...
Anyway, enough of that. Its game day- football all day. Bears not on until tomorrow. Food/Drink all day- Let the games begin !
Oh yeah and **** the Packers ! :D
Go Bears !
Post by: otto105 on September 16, 2018, 01:26:38 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 16, 2018, 05:03:39 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 17, 2018, 07:49:35 am
It’s just one love Cousins and the other loves cousins.
(wish I'd have thought of this one).... :D
Post by: Pekin on September 23, 2018, 10:02:49 pm
Post by: Dave23 on September 24, 2018, 09:29:38 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 24, 2018, 10:11:02 am
Very good point. But the Bears offense has difficulty in overcoming negative plays because most of their plays are not big gainers. So they end up with field goal attempts instead of TDs.
Must admit the offense had more big plays yesterday. But the offense was helped big time by crucial penalties by the Cardinal defense. If not for those - we probably lose.
And Nagy needs to throw out that slow developing play when Howard is asked to sweep around the end.
Post by: guest118 on September 24, 2018, 10:22:04 am
Mitch shows flashes of brilliance....other times he looks like Rex.
Post by: navigator on September 24, 2018, 11:26:30 am
Post by: BearHit on September 24, 2018, 11:29:55 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 24, 2018, 11:40:50 am
Kahlil Mack, right now, defensive MVP.
Post by: guest118 on September 24, 2018, 12:23:33 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 24, 2018, 02:55:43 pm
Post by: chifaninva on September 24, 2018, 04:24:00 pm
Post by: Dave23 on September 24, 2018, 04:50:29 pm
His deep ball needs work, and his touch on short stuff needs help. He shows pretty decent touch on intermediate passes, imo (besides the bad miss to Gabriel a few games ago).
Post by: VJ on September 25, 2018, 08:22:32 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 25, 2018, 09:27:20 am
LeBlanc is NOT a corner. No deep speed. Might be an option as a nickel replacing Calahan if he moves to CB.
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 25, 2018, 09:29:14 am
Post by: guest118 on September 25, 2018, 11:16:56 am
Post by: davep on September 25, 2018, 04:28:37 pm
I have no reason to assume that he will not get better with experience. But right now, he should be the backup quarterback, as he should have been last year.
Post by: dallasbear on September 25, 2018, 10:55:07 pm
Nobody improves watching someone else play - playing is the only way to get experience.
I've been as frustrated as everyone else with his play, but he'll figure it out, because physically he can make every throw in the NFL. There's just something that is wrong with him....maybe he's pressing or he's just not on the same page with his receivers.
But he better figure it out quick.
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2018, 05:04:54 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 26, 2018, 07:19:39 am
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2018, 07:25:14 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 26, 2018, 07:32:05 am
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2018, 07:39:08 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 26, 2018, 08:09:32 am
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2018, 08:12:33 am
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2018, 08:30:57 am
Getty Images
Buccaneers safety Chris Conte added injury to insult on Monday night.
Flattened by a double-thumping stiff arm on a long catch and run from Steelers tight end Vance McDonald, Conte later exited the game after aggravating a knee injury. The Buccaneers placed him on injured reserve on Tuesday.
The Buccaneers did not fill Conte’s roster spot, yet. It could ultimately be taken by quarterback Jameis Winston, who is back from a three-game suspension.
Conte, 29, has spent four years with the Bucs after four with the Bears. He has 104 regular-season appearances and 93 starts.
Post by: VJ on September 26, 2018, 09:05:37 am
I guess 2 sacks and a forced fumble by Mack that literally erased at least 3 points from the scoreboard is just another day in the office.
Post by: BearHit on September 26, 2018, 09:08:04 am
Post by: VJ on September 26, 2018, 09:09:44 am
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2018, 09:35:16 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/24/stock-up-stock-down-after-bears-week-3-win-over-cardinals/
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2018, 11:39:35 am
I disagree with Bryan Perez in that article:
Now three games into the season, Floyd has yet to register a sack. Yes, Floyd has been playing with a club on his right hand after suffering a fracture in the preseason, but he should be doing better than he is right now as a pass rusher especially with all the attention being paid to Khalil Mack. He had only one pressure (total) heading into Week 3’s game via Pro Football Focus. It didn’t get any better against a stationary Sam Bradford; Floyd managed only one hurry. He needs to break out soon before the coaching staff is forced to sit him behind Aaron Lynch, who’s been a lot more active and productive when on the field.
Are you F'ing kidding me? All off-season they talked about Floyd improving his hand placement and then he breaks his hand. How many baseball players or basketball players play with a broken hand? Granted Floyd is not touching the ball but being able to grip the O-lineman is critical in pass rush.
And if you watch any football you'll see that Mack only gets occasional double teams. Most of the time the O-line doubles one of the inside guys and may once in a while put a TE or HB to help out on Mack. Primarily he's getting one on one opportunities.
Let's see what Floyd looks like after our upcoming bye week when he hopefully gets rid of any protection on his hand. You know that he wants some of that spotlight that Mack is getting.
Post by: BearHit on September 26, 2018, 11:47:01 am
Post by: davebear on September 26, 2018, 11:53:41 am
The only thing Floyd can do is the beat the OL with pure Quickness, which hasn't worked well for him.
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2018, 01:19:03 pm
I disagree with Bryan Perez in that article:
Now three games into the season, Floyd has yet to register a sack. Yes, Floyd has been playing with a club on his right hand after suffering a fracture in the preseason, but he should be doing better than he is right now as a pass rusher especially with all the attention being paid to Khalil Mack. He had only one pressure (total) heading into Week 3’s game via Pro Football Focus. It didn’t get any better against a stationary Sam Bradford; Floyd managed only one hurry. He needs to break out soon before the coaching staff is forced to sit him behind Aaron Lynch, who’s been a lot more active and productive when on the field.
Are you F'ing kidding me? All off-season they talked about Floyd improving his hand placement and then he breaks his hand. How many baseball players or basketball players play with a broken hand? Granted Floyd is not touching the ball but being able to grip the O-lineman is critical in pass rush.
And if you watch any football you'll see that Mack only gets occasional double teams. Most of the time the O-line doubles one of the inside guys and may once in a while put a TE or HB to help out on Mack. Primarily he's getting one on one opportunities.
Let's see what Floyd looks like after our upcoming bye week when he hopefully gets rid of any protection on his hand. You know that he wants some of that spotlight that Mack is getting.
Apparently Floyd has impressed you. I sure havent seen him around the ball much. That doesnt show much QB pressure despite not making sacks. That shows a need for improvement.
Post by: guest118 on September 26, 2018, 03:00:33 pm
Give Floyd a "break"....he will come around this season
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2018, 05:29:45 pm
Apparently Floyd has impressed you. I sure havent seen him around the ball much. That doesnt show much QB pressure despite not making sacks. That shows a need for improvement.
No, hes has not impressed me this year. But he will impress both of us once he gets full use of his hand. They are kind of important to just about every football player except kickers.
Weren't you ready to cut Aaron Lynch a couple weeks ago?
Patience young grasshopper.
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2018, 08:35:00 pm
Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2018, 12:20:51 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 27, 2018, 07:09:32 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 27, 2018, 09:08:21 am
Harry H better get off the pot and get his line in shape. He's supposed to be genius at that. Haven't seen it yet for sure (Kush seems good for at least 1 dumb penalty per game)....
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2018, 09:29:29 am
Howard didn't have a real good game against the Cards, though he scored the TD and picked up a couple key first downs on 3rd and short.
Could it be that the Cardinals were over playing the run since they probably weren't that afraid of Trubisky and the Bears receivers? I thought I read something about the Cardinals playing a lot of 8 and 9 man fronts.
Bears seem to be getting closer to more balanced on their pass/run ratios with each game. I was initially concerned that when you go pass happy your line kind of loses something in their ability to run block.
Kush had a couple of penalties but Long blew a block that let the Card d-lineman in that stripped Trubisky of the ball. Pass blocking seems to be getting a little worse with each game.
Post by: VJ on September 27, 2018, 09:41:00 am
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2018, 10:53:14 am
No way can we keep even with the Tampa Bay offense - even with our defense. Bears ability to dominate time of possession will help prevent this from being a track meet, but we'll need to have more big plays and better red zone TD efficiency to pull this one out.
Teams are going to play us tight on both the runs and the short passing game. Mitch and company are going to have to make them pay with deeper routes.
Post by: davep on September 27, 2018, 11:02:26 am
Nobody improves watching someone else play - playing is the only way to get experience.
I've been as frustrated as everyone else with his play, but he'll figure it out, because physically he can make every throw in the NFL. There's just something that is wrong with him....maybe he's pressing or he's just not on the same page with his receivers.
But he better figure it out quick.
On the contrary, most improvement happens in the practice field, especially for a quarterback, who has by far the most complicated schemes to learn. In addition, this also allows both physical and mental maturity to develop, which is most important in a quarterback. We do no favor to most quarterbacks when we throw them into the fire and expect them to develop.
Post by: davebear on September 27, 2018, 11:09:00 am
There's just too much information processing for him to make good decisions quickly.
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2018, 11:22:06 am
On the contrary, most improvement happens in the practice field, especially for a quarterback, who has by far the most complicated schemes to learn. In addition, this also allows both physical and mental maturity to develop, which is most important in a quarterback. We do no favor to most quarterbacks when we throw them into the fire and expect them to develop.
And what happens during the week at most practices? The starter gets 90% of the snaps and the backup watches. It's like watching your dad drive a car when your 15 years old.
Trubisky has not been thrown into the fire. He had 12 games last season to develop his skills in the pocket against real NFL defenses. This preseason in 5 games he threw a grand total of 18 passes. I understand preserving guys from getting injury, but there's the downside that Trubisky didn't have a whole lot of time in game situations with his receivers who are all new from last year.
Right now Trubisky's issues are mental. He's got to get more comfortable in the pocket and be better at surveying the field for secondary receivers. That means he has to trust both his O-line to protect him and his receivers to make the catch in 50/50 situations. If you watched his North Carolina highlights on YouTube you'll see a QB making all the throws, but most of them are in about 3 seconds to open receivers.
Post by: JeffH on September 27, 2018, 12:25:48 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2018, 02:00:18 pm
Harry H better get off the pot and get his line in shape. He's supposed to be genius at that. Haven't seen it yet for sure (Kush seems good for at least 1 dumb penalty per game)....
I think the blocking schemes have a lot to do with it along with the newbie Kush. It has a lot to do with familiarity with your line teammates.
Post by: guest118 on September 30, 2018, 03:46:47 pm
This D is completely loaded...Lynch was great, Tolliver can play, Nichols could be a massive beast, there was Bullard sighting - these are players we do not talk much about.
The D will only get better.
Post by: wmljohn on September 30, 2018, 06:01:35 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 30, 2018, 06:22:26 pm
Post by: Pekin on September 30, 2018, 06:45:40 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 30, 2018, 07:25:44 pm
Post by: guest118 on September 30, 2018, 07:42:44 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 01, 2018, 04:19:23 am
This years draft is perfect example. Looks as if every draft pick is going to be a contributor on this team. They even have a underrated FA on the team. That's what we were missing for years. We would be lucky if 2 of our 6 or 7 draft picks would contribute to the team it seemed.
Glad to see Mitch have a great game. Glad for him, glad for the team and most glad for us the fans. We need him to become an above average QB for our team to have success.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 01, 2018, 07:01:23 am
Post by: boogie on October 01, 2018, 08:22:37 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 01, 2018, 08:37:56 am
Optimistic with the arrow pointing up. I still wonder where this team would be (don't think 3-1) without the Mack tho......
Post by: VJ on October 01, 2018, 09:33:53 am
Nagy on his quarterback and what it’s like to start a football game touchdown-punt-touchdown-touchdown-touchdown-touchdown-field goal-touchdown:
“All I want him to worry about is what I think about as a quarterback and nobody else. That’s no slight to anybody. We need to do this our way. When you bring in a Khalil Mack and the defense starts playing the way they’re playing, you start winning some games. When you’re not playing up to par right away or matching your defense, there’s instant frustration from a lot of people. Mitch understands that. Our lessons this week was let’s just sit together and let’s figure out why we’re struggling on our offense and see if we can find some answers. We on offense had by far our best week of practice all week long. More specifically, in the red zone, because that’s where we’ve been struggling, to go 4-for-4 in the red zone is a tribute to the players.
“What keeps getting used with our offense is, are we pulling back? We’re not pulling back. What we’ve done though is just dissected a little bit. Maybe tweaked a few things, whether it’s the progression of a play for Mitch, whether it’s too many options at the line of scrimmage. I think the combination of that and just really guys offensively honing in on, worrying about what they do best and worrying about their own position and not worry about anybody else. See the difference in practice. You know sometimes, you start getting tight in these situations. You start trying to get perfect. We did the opposite of that this week. Everybody was loose in practice. We were just letting the ball fly. We didn’t have that tightness where sometimes you get into that funk. I think that reflected in the game.
“What the difference was, there was more of an aggressive mentality with the players executing any type of downfield throws. It would have been easy to pull back and just go right back to the run and try to get out of the game. Our players and coaches didn’t want any of that. We were wanting to just keep rolling. They were in that quote unquote zone. They felt it.
“After the game I told him just how proud I am of him. I told him about three different times that this is just the start. I want this to be his offense. I want him to understand that he can take this offense to another level. He’s gone through a lot here in the last couple weeks and it’s not easy. But these are the days and the games that you never forget.
“I go back to this week. When everybody was gone after practice, Mitch stayed after practice and threw about 50 to 60 deep balls into a stationary net about 50 yards downfield. Him and Dave Ragone, our quarterbacks coach, they were dropping back … Dave was giving him some pressure in the pocket. Mitch would slide his feet and just throw. There was a span there where he hit 10 out of 12 into the net. Just like Michael Jordan shooting threes. [GM] Ryan Pace and I were standing back there watching him doing it and we just looked at each other. We said, This kid’s in a zone. He’s out there after a three-hour practice. For it to come to fruition today and see him have success with down-field throws, it was really cool.”
Post by: stelz on October 01, 2018, 11:38:44 am
The Bears are suddenly lights out. It’s going to be a fun year...
Post by: navigator on October 01, 2018, 01:38:15 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 01, 2018, 01:53:34 pm
Yep.
It's knee jerk Monday....players are usually never as good or as bad they play on Sunday.
Post by: Dave23 on October 01, 2018, 01:54:54 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 01, 2018, 02:00:18 pm
I was one of them. Trubisky just seemed to struggle at times in the first 3 games...held the ball too long and was inaccurate on intermediate to long balls.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 01, 2018, 04:12:28 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 01, 2018, 10:01:12 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2018, 12:18:35 am
Plenty? Perfect QB rating is 158.3
Trubisky's rating Sunday was 154.6.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 02, 2018, 05:21:31 am
I hadn't watch Mahomes until last night, and I came away impressed. He is said not to be as athletic as Trubisky, but he had plenty of escapability and was always looking to throw on the run. I love that Tru has the wheels to make big gains... it is part of his package. Mahomes looked down the field when he was running and trying to throw the ball which will hopefully come for Mitch as he grows. Mahomes was also difficult to bring down and it seemed that the defenders were not getting a good shot on him when they had the opportunity.
Don't undersell Tampa's front 7. JPP and McCoy are probowlers, and the linebackers have given us problems in the past. Great scheme and execution against Tampa, it looked great!
There will be ups and downs, just hoping for some more ups than downs.
Post by: navigator on October 02, 2018, 05:41:57 am
Post by: Sportster on October 02, 2018, 07:07:49 am
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2018, 08:08:39 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2018, 09:20:23 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/01/stock-up-stock-down-after-bears-48-10-win-over-buccaneers/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2018, 10:15:30 am
You're right - I don't like it.
Not worried about Floyd though. Yeah, the club is off but he's still wearing a protective device on his hand. I know what kind of player Floyd is and hoping with 2 weeks off he'll come back without any contraption on his hand.
As for Kevin White, I'm disappointed he's not getting targeted. He did have quite a few more snaps than Bellamy but Bellamy got the TD pass when the Tampa Bay pass defense bit on Cohen and totally ignored Bellamy. Not sure why late in the 4th quarter we still had a lot of our starters out there.
He'll get his chance.
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 02, 2018, 10:59:49 am
Post by: VJ on October 03, 2018, 07:17:39 am
Post by: guest118 on October 03, 2018, 10:43:02 am
Post by: chifaninva on October 08, 2018, 04:32:10 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2018, 09:55:18 am
What’s your evaluation of Kevin White so far? One great block last game. Is he not getting separation on his routes in his limited opportunities or just not first or second option on most plays? — @kashbunker
As I have written in the mailbag many times, White is the fourth option at wide receiver on the roster or co-fourth option along with Josh Bellamy. With rookie Anthony Miller sidelined with a left shoulder injury, White slides up one spot with Bellamy. White has never been a skilled route runner, so that is going to limit his ability to get open. Can he run a good route? Sure, he’s done that and he will get open from time to time, but he’s a secondary piece in this offense, and that point is driven home by the fact that he hasn’t been targeted with a pass through four games. That will change. He’ll get some balls thrown his direction, but he’s not going to be a major cog in the passing game and it’s difficult to imagine a scenario where he’s in a Bears uniform in 2019.
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2018, 10:09:45 am
I don't buy that White has never been a skilled route runner. He set the record for most receptions by a Bear receiver in a 4 games span in 2016 with 19. And he should be healthier now than he was then.
I think the Bears have a lot of contract tied up with their FAs and their rookie. White just isn't in the future right now and they're trying to develop consistency with the new guys and Trubisky.
As I said before he's an insurance policy. Hopefully he get a pass thrown in his direction soon - other NFL teams seem to be able to incorporate their backup WRs.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2018, 11:53:10 am
...and it’s difficult to imagine a scenario where he’s in a Bears uniform in 2019.
In your honest opinion is he going to be in a Bear uniform next year?
Post by: navigator on October 09, 2018, 12:33:32 pm
Post by: davebear on October 09, 2018, 12:43:07 pm
He's the best athlete and skill set so let's see if he can produce.
Post by: navigator on October 09, 2018, 12:49:19 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2018, 01:00:29 pm
In your honest opinion is he going to be in a Bear uniform next year?
First of all, all my opinions here are honest.
Secondly, after 4 games and not seeing one pass thrown his way. It doesn't look good considering the Bears have 2 pricey FA receivers signed long term and 2 rookie contracts. Not only don't I see the Bears wanting to re-sign him, why would White return?
But its a long season...
Post by: 46 on October 09, 2018, 01:05:34 pm
Post by: Sportster on October 09, 2018, 02:29:07 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2018, 03:09:44 pm
If Bears were smart they'd incorporate White more into the offense to at least showcase his potential talents. A team like the Cowboys with a bunch of #3 type wide receivers (Deonte Thompson, the ex-Bear has the most catches of any WR on their team) might be willing to deal a pick prior to trading deadline.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 09, 2018, 03:57:40 pm
Post by: joki13 on October 09, 2018, 05:04:10 pm
Post by: davebear on October 09, 2018, 06:32:36 pm
Post by: BearHit on October 10, 2018, 04:51:28 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2018, 05:47:34 am
I personally hope they keep Howard till end of year. Going to need him late in season for playoff push.
Post by: navigator on October 10, 2018, 07:20:02 am
Post by: joki13 on October 10, 2018, 07:22:18 am
Post by: navigator on October 10, 2018, 07:23:38 am
Post by: Dave23 on October 10, 2018, 07:27:40 am
Post by: method on October 10, 2018, 09:29:44 am
All for trading Howard for a 2.
Post by: davebear on October 10, 2018, 09:39:30 am
Unless they think he's burnt out, as big backs often have a very short career
Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2018, 10:36:40 am
It's odd that just a couple weeks ago folks were saying we need to feed Howard the ball more. Now after ONE huge game by Trubisky, Howard is no longer needed.
Post by: davebear on October 10, 2018, 11:23:00 am
so. if the theory is Howard doesn't fit the Bears offense the same holds true for the eagles.
Post by: VJ on October 10, 2018, 11:50:56 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 10, 2018, 12:22:28 pm
So I guess the Saints should trade Kamara because he only had 9 touches in a blowout win now that Ingram is back. Trading away Howard sounds just as asinine.
Couldn't agree more...
Post by: joki13 on October 10, 2018, 03:15:59 pm
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2018, 04:51:54 pm
Post by: wmljohn on October 10, 2018, 05:04:44 pm
Post by: davep on October 10, 2018, 06:37:44 pm
Post by: chifaninva on October 10, 2018, 07:11:35 pm
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2018, 07:58:30 pm
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2018, 07:59:43 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 10, 2018, 09:59:30 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 11, 2018, 05:46:45 am
Won a game against a strong Seattle team - and we were favored. We hardly ever win when favored. Check.
Won a grind it out game against an inferior opponent on the road after being down by 14. Check
Hammered an opponent when expert picks were about split. The Bucs recently had our number, but we throttled them. Check.
Upcoming turns on the road to relevance?
Perform well coming out of the bye.
Trubisky lead the offense on a game winning TD drive.
Beat several quality teams, achilles heels - Patriots, Packers, Vikings, Rams
So, next stop on road to relevance is how we come out of this bye week.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 11, 2018, 05:47:48 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2018, 09:11:40 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2018, 09:25:00 am
Comparisons of how past Bears teams have fared coming out of a bye week are meaningless. This Bears team has no connection to the team from 4 or 5 years ago - maybe there is somewhat of a connection to last year but we've overhauled last year's offensive coaches, totally replaced the receiving corp and added 2 or 3 new starters on defense...and almost forgot about the kicker.
This is the 2018 Chicago Bears.
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 11, 2018, 09:44:26 am
I don't think I could've taken the Bears playing like they've done for the last 7 years and was starting to plan Sundays "sans-football"......
Go Bears !
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 11, 2018, 09:56:08 am
Comparisons of how past Bears teams have fared coming out of a bye week are meaningless. This Bears team has no connection to the team from 4 or 5 years ago - maybe there is somewhat of a connection to last year but we've overhauled last year's offensive coaches, totally replaced the receiving corp and added 2 or 3 new starters on defense...and almost forgot about the kicker.
This is the 2018 Chicago Bears.
Agreed. This year's team is a new version. I think though until Bear's fans can't exhale along with the national and local media, until those boxes are checked. Many are still waiting for the shoe to drop. I think we are for real.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2018, 10:22:53 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2018, 11:44:02 am
If you've been watching the games you've seen a #2 ranked defense dominating opponents for the most part. This week I don't think they should be challenged by Miami's offense. But there will be more serious challenges down the line against some teams with top level QBs: New England, Minnesota twice, Detroit twice, Rams, Green Bay.
Offensively, I hope no one is expecting to see results like we saw against the Bucs a couple weeks ago, but there is hope that things may be going in the right direction.
As I said this is the 2018 Chicago Bears...not to be confused with previous versions...NSDD.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2018, 12:10:09 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2018, 12:14:13 pm
Geez, did you ever take a week long vacation while working? Or did I miss a story about a Bear player robbing a bank or beating somebody up during their bye week?
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2018, 12:19:21 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2018, 02:04:35 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2018, 02:34:56 pm
If the Bears lose Sunday there will be a corresponding down tick.
One game at a time - hopefully Nagy and crew are focused on the Dolphins.
Even though the Bears have the supposed advantage of the bye and appear much healthier than the beat up Dolphins, the Dolphins do have some pretty good skill players that could make this game a tough battle in the Miami heat.
Post by: chifaninva on October 11, 2018, 03:21:50 pm
Post by: joki13 on October 11, 2018, 03:42:34 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2018, 04:17:58 pm
What’s that? Ah - Playoffs? Don’t talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!
Post by: guest118 on October 11, 2018, 05:04:39 pm
Dolphins' injury-depleted line must try to block Bears' Mack
MIAMI (AP) -- Last week the Miami Dolphins resorted to eight-man pass protection, so desperate were they to slow an onslaught against quarterback Ryan Tannehill.
And now they have to block Khalil Mack.
That will be a daunting task when Miami faces the Chicago Bears on Sunday in a matchup of first-place teams headed in opposite directions.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2018, 05:15:49 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2018, 05:50:57 pm
Miami's defense has pretty good corners and the all pro safety Rashad Jones. Cameron Wake has been injured but is expected to play. They also have Robert Quinn at the other end. Kiko Alonso leads the team in tackles with 50 (compare to Trevathan leading the Bears with 24) These are the kind of quick burst pass rushers our tackles have struggled with in the past. Our offense will need its **** together.
However they do play a deep safety defense so this may be a featured week for Howard, at least until they move the safeties up if they have to.
Miami wasn't able to handle the Bengals front 4, especially when laremy Tunsil left injured. If he is out big advantage for the Bears.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 11, 2018, 06:34:21 pm
Post by: boogie on October 12, 2018, 08:25:41 am
Post by: guest118 on October 12, 2018, 10:15:41 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 12, 2018, 10:31:40 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 12, 2018, 12:43:22 pm
davebear
Nice analysis of the Miami defense. From the injury report things have improved for Miami. It looks like only one of their starting corners and Wake are still not practicing. But it sounds like he may play which will help their anemic pass rush.
But they are loaded at the skill positions on defense and on offense too although Gore is not practicing either. Watch that little WR they got Grant - I saw him play in college and he's a game breaker. Bears DBs will have their work cut out especially at RCB with an injured Amukamora or his backup the rookie Tolliver.
Tunsil was on concussion protocol but has been upgraded to limited practices. Their center is their backup who used to start for the Lions (Swanson) and they went from one ex-Bear guard (Sitton) to his backup (Larsen). I read somewhere that Akeem Hicks and Larsen never got along as teammates. So Akeem better be on his best behavior.
Difference in this game may come down to #52. But I'm hoping Floyd is a factor too - his hand should be good to go and he's got to get going in the sack department too.
Post by: Pekin on October 13, 2018, 01:08:35 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 13, 2018, 09:16:28 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/12/4-reasons-why-the-bears-will-defeat-the-dolphins-in-week-6/
Post by: joki13 on October 13, 2018, 12:52:00 pm
Post by: joki13 on October 13, 2018, 01:18:24 pm
Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2018, 09:21:43 pm
Don't see any stats.
Post by: guest118 on October 15, 2018, 09:51:38 am
1. I hate the bye week - so easy to lay an egg - they were not ready.
2. The defense did not look ready - they looked slow again like the Green Bay game.
3. our safeties played terrible. I am guessing Amos eventually gets replaced.
4. Fumble on the 1 by Howard was a massive blunder - cost us the game.
5. Over all Trubisky looked shakey - and the forced interception killed us.
6. Mack did not show up. He looked extremely uninterested. He did this time to time with Oakland.
I do not understand forcing your kicker to try a 52 yard field goal. There was no attempt on third down to get closer.
Something is not right in our secondary when guys can turn 10 yard catches into long TDs. This happened in the Green Bay game as well.
Miami has a great D. Gase did a great job of throwing short passes to avoid the pass rush.
Tackling was sloppy at best.
Post by: boogie on October 15, 2018, 10:00:00 am
Post by: boogie on October 15, 2018, 10:08:57 am
1985: lost to dolphins, went to Super Bowl
2006: lost to dolphins, went to Super Bowl
2018: don’t mess this up #Bears
Post by: navigator on October 15, 2018, 10:11:36 am
Post by: VJ on October 15, 2018, 10:39:26 am
Weird stuff usually happens when the Bears play Miami and it usually ends up with Miami winning.
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 15, 2018, 01:56:01 pm
Bad place to play for the Bears it would seem....
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 17, 2018, 06:39:37 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 17, 2018, 07:07:35 am
Post by: navigator on October 17, 2018, 10:40:22 am
Post by: 46 on October 17, 2018, 10:51:38 am
Post by: BearHit on October 17, 2018, 10:52:04 am
Post by: guest118 on October 17, 2018, 11:46:17 am
Post by: method on October 17, 2018, 11:51:16 am
do you think the SEC schedules only night games? lots of football games played in the south on Saturdays during the day.
Maybe we shouldnt make football players play games in the snow and ice either, they might get frost bite!
Post by: BearHit on October 17, 2018, 11:55:26 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 17, 2018, 08:07:45 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 18, 2018, 10:36:14 am
Check out how many dome teams in our division come to Chicago in December. Zilch. We always play the later games in the season on their fields.
Post by: guest118 on October 18, 2018, 12:06:18 pm
Post by: wmljohn on October 18, 2018, 02:28:24 pm
Post by: guest118 on October 18, 2018, 02:53:01 pm
Post by: Dave23 on October 18, 2018, 03:06:03 pm
Post by: boogie on October 19, 2018, 08:12:11 am
Post by: 46 on October 19, 2018, 09:11:11 am
The Bears could have tented the bench with blowers on each end and told the phins to pound sand. they didn't.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 19, 2018, 09:42:03 am
Post by: Pekin on October 21, 2018, 12:08:32 pm
Post by: davebear on October 22, 2018, 09:59:34 am
It brings to mind that LT was blocked very well by Jimbo Covert and was generally a non factor
Post by: davep on October 23, 2018, 11:08:56 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2018, 09:37:39 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/23/chicago-bears-should-shop-leonard-floyd-at-trade-deadline/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2018, 10:20:53 am
I don't.
Rushing the passer almost requires the player to be 100% to be effective - you see what happened to Mack the last 2 games when he wasn't. Should we trade Mack too?
However, I think they do need to let Irving/Fitts get some snaps. Also Lynch will be a FA next year.
Post by: BearHit on October 24, 2018, 10:33:09 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2018, 11:33:39 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2018, 12:58:38 pm
I thought we needed an edge rusher going into this draft. Its going to be tough finding that guy in the next couple of drafts without a lot of luck or another free agency signing. But Bears are going to be cap limited very soon.
I haven't given up on Floyd just yet, but as I said with Mack limited why don't they play Irving or Fitts in spots.
Same thing with our WRs - why not let White get some more targets. Eventually you'd like to see Wyms get some too. It kills me when I see a guy like Sims split out in a 3 WR set and White sitting the bench. It happens...a lot.
Post by: davebear on October 24, 2018, 01:47:59 pm
You know the Bears were down 2 TD's with 6 minutes to play. They drove down the field after a Patriots TD and scored on the pass to Burton.
The Patriots then drove downfield and to defense stopped them at the 35. After they punted the Bears had only 30 seconds to tie the game.
The hail Mary was a pretty remarkable catch by White. Patriots were lucky they had two guys in perfect position to keep him from backing into the end zone.
Post by: VJ on October 24, 2018, 05:38:59 pm
Mike Burton can't block and Sims can't catch. There is no reason for either of them to be on the 53.
Last week, Vic said Floyd played his best game of the season. He probably won't divulge too much. But I hope he gets asked not only about Floyd but why he had Mack drop back so much. I suspect Brady was surprised and pretty happy about that.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2018, 06:09:53 pm
I hear you. I know what you are getting at. I dont want to rain on your parade. So I am going to counter your question by asking why not give Javon Wims more targets? After all we all want to see the unheralded players play. He has more roster upside than White has. I dont see White here next year whether he plays a lot or not. White is injury insurance
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2018, 08:47:07 pm
I want to win THIS YEAR - I don't care about next year's roster upside. Kush is a FA - Daniels will take his spot next year. He plays. Lynch is a FA - Irving or Fitts will take his spot next year. He plays.
Bears have new high dollar receivers and a new offense and our new coach wants to build chemistry with our inexperienced QB. I can understand that but eventually you need to throw a few crumbs to a guy that has the speed of Gabriel and the size of Robinson.
And after 6 games...White has 3 targets...one of them he got a PI call on and the last one Trubisky wasn't exactly targeting him.
Post by: navigator on October 25, 2018, 05:19:40 am
Post by: boogie on October 25, 2018, 07:50:46 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2018, 09:36:24 am
White should play over Robinson...at least this week (and probably last week) - Robinson isn't even practicing. 5 targets 1 catch for 4 yards last week.
And we wonder why the Patriots were able to blanket our WRs holding them to a handful of catches.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2018, 12:30:21 pm
That says White is better than Robinson. I totally disagree with that.
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2018, 12:33:55 pm
As who is better - I have no idea. They are different types of receivers. I just know that the Bears are invested in Robinson.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2018, 12:39:14 pm
Post by: boogie on October 25, 2018, 12:57:24 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2018, 01:56:54 pm
I agree with your first statement. I don't know about the second. Did you see Trubisky's statement about the future of Kevin White this year?
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2018, 03:31:13 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2018, 03:47:44 pm
“Like any player when you’re out there, the more catches you can get, the more passes you complete, you kind of get into the rhythm of the game,” Trubisky said. “You get your confidence going, and you just feel like nobody can stop you. So I think that’s good for Kevin to really get him going. He’s going to be a big part of this offense going forward, so we just need everybody to be on the same page and have that confidence and swag about us.”
Post by: boogie on October 26, 2018, 03:06:53 pm
Post by: Pekin on October 28, 2018, 11:54:38 pm
Forte said he should dress up as a sack for Halloween. Any kind of sack!
Brutal! LOL!
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 29, 2018, 05:45:59 am
WK9 @Bills--W
WK10 Lions--W
Wk11 Vikings--L
WK12 @Lions--L
Wk13 @Giants--W
Wk14 Rams--L
Wk15 Packers--W
Wk16 @49ers--W
Wk17 @Vikings
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2018, 07:59:13 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 29, 2018, 08:03:35 am
Post by: Sportster on October 29, 2018, 08:17:14 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 29, 2018, 08:25:02 am
Still, never expected a playoff run this year so it would be gravy for them to get in.....
Roller coaster for sure.....
Post by: WshflThinking on October 29, 2018, 10:17:00 am
"Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer reported during pregame that teams are calling the Bears to inquire about Leonard Floyd’s availability for trade, and after another game in which the former first-round pick was a non-factor, GM Ryan Pace may want to seriously consider dealing him if the offer is right.
Khalil Mack sat out of Week 8 with an ankle injury and the onus was on Floyd to step up and be the Bears’ primary source of a pass rush. Instead, it was cornerback Bryce Callahan who was more effective."
Post by: dallasbear on October 29, 2018, 10:27:31 am
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2018, 10:29:25 am
Game Tackles Sacks Interceptions Fumb Misc KO Ret Punt Ret
Week Date Opp Solo Ast Total Sack Yds Yd/Sk Int Yds IntTD Rec TD Frcd Pass D Sfty Yds TD Yds TD
1 Sep 9 @GB 1 1 2 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 Sep 17 SEA 3 0 3 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
3 Sep 23 @ARZ 0 1 1 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 Sep 30 TB 2 0 2 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
6 Oct 14 @MIA 3 1 4 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
7 Oct 21 NE 3 0 3 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
8 Oct 28 NYJ 2 0 2 0.0 0 .0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
9 Nov 4 @BUF Game scheduled for 11/4 1:00 PM ET
10 Nov 11 DET Game scheduled for 11/11 1:00 PM ET
11 Nov 18 MIN Game scheduled for 11/18 1:00 PM ET
12 Nov 22 @DET Game scheduled for 11/22 12:30 PM ET
13 Dec 2 @NYG Game scheduled for 12/2 1:00 PM ET
14 Dec 9 LAR Game scheduled for 12/9 1:00 PM ET
15 Dec 16 GB Game scheduled for 12/16 1:00 PM ET
16 Dec 23 @SF Game scheduled for 12/23 4:05 PM ET
17 Dec 30 @MIN Game scheduled for 12/30 1:00 PM ET
Post by: WshflThinking on October 29, 2018, 10:45:18 am
Possibly, but as things stand now, probably the least likely. Why? Because after watching the Pack disintegrate yesterday, its very highly unlikely. OTOH injuries and December snows make anything possible.
Post by: chifaninva on October 29, 2018, 10:54:26 am
Post by: chifaninva on October 29, 2018, 10:55:12 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 29, 2018, 11:40:01 am
Bears just need to get healthy and beat the Bills...and the trade talks involving Floyd - doubtful
Post by: 46 on October 29, 2018, 12:23:20 pm
Post by: stelz on October 29, 2018, 09:34:58 pm
Post by: navigator on October 30, 2018, 04:49:34 am
Post by: guest118 on October 30, 2018, 10:27:53 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 30, 2018, 10:35:50 am
If he was on IR, Shaheen would not be eligible to play this season or do you get two players that can come back?
Post by: davebear on October 30, 2018, 11:06:11 am
I saw most of the second half and it was 9-3 in the third quarter.
Patriots got another field goal and a pick six.
Bills had two near TD catches called back with about 6 minutes left. I didn't see the Pats last TD.
This is not a gimme game for the Bears.
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2018, 11:17:57 am
You are correct. Just about any game on the road is no cakewalk.
Bills defense is stout but their offense didn't help them much - Bills QB play could be the difference in the Bears game.
Post by: Dave23 on October 30, 2018, 11:18:57 am
QB Derek Anderson left in the 4th. Nathan Peterman finished up. If we get Peterman, it'll be cake.
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2018, 11:31:28 am
However, I think he can be useful in this offense - especially with his hands and size. He showed he could block last year and flashed some receiving skills in the preseason.
He's not going to take Burton's job when he's taken off IR but he better take Dion Sims'.
Post by: Pekin on October 30, 2018, 11:53:00 am
Post by: davebear on October 30, 2018, 12:06:51 pm
Post by: boogie on October 30, 2018, 12:36:04 pm
Bills LB Tremaine Edmunds left the game last night with a concussion. I assume he'll be in protocol all week.
QB Derek Anderson left in the 4th. Nathan Peterman finished up. If we get Peterman, it'll be cake.
Just like if we get Brock Osweiler it will be a piece of cake. Dont underestimate the Bears making a backup QB look great.
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2018, 01:00:45 pm
So true. Darnold was throwing to a group of WRs last Sunday that I never heard of - even the guys they were replacing I never heard of.
Bellamy has been doing a pretty good job. He's used more of as a possession guy but he's not dropping anything. Remember 2016 when he cost us a game with a huge end zone drop among others that year.
Post by: BearHit on October 30, 2018, 01:05:15 pm
Post by: guest118 on October 30, 2018, 01:25:57 pm
His confidence is only getting better. NO turnovers against the Jets. His second half adjustments were great against the Jets.
For a guy who has not played a lot of QB before the last 3 years. Nagy has been a god send for him.
BTW - the Bears are third in the league in rushing - with Cohen, Trubisky, Howard - triple threat. Then how many capable receivers do we have? Burton, Gabriel, Robinson, Miller, White, Bellamy
My point is this a great offense and only getting better.
Post by: Dave23 on October 30, 2018, 01:27:39 pm
Peterman has 3 TDs, 9 INTs, and a 31.4 QBR for his career.
Not worried...
Post by: dallasbear on October 30, 2018, 02:20:47 pm
Beerfan
Good points. We're getting spoiled and forgetting the numbers of prior QBs in Chicago.
But in reality the league is crazy weighted toward NFL passing this year. So Trbuisky's ranking is somewhere near the middle of the pack - 13th.
Room for improvement.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 30, 2018, 06:24:56 pm
Post by: davebear on October 30, 2018, 06:26:46 pm
Post by: VJ on October 30, 2018, 06:58:44 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 30, 2018, 07:00:19 pm
Post by: VJ on October 30, 2018, 07:16:35 pm
Post by: VJ on October 30, 2018, 07:26:08 pm
Osweiler has some history of success in the league.
Peterman has 3 TDs, 9 INTs, and a 31.4 QBR for his career.
Not worried...
Peterman = Jonathan Quinn/Todd Collins. They started Anderson who just came off the couch. They signed Pryor (who used to be a QB and probably still has a better arm than Peterman). Matt Barkley might come off the street as a the backup.
Post by: davebear on October 30, 2018, 07:31:23 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 30, 2018, 09:46:59 pm
Probably thinking about Bryan Witzmann from KC. He's not going anywhere but Brown is a somewhat unexpected release. Like Witzmann, Brown started the majority of the season last year.
Thats the one. Queens picked him up then released him. Bears picked him up.
Post by: guest118 on October 30, 2018, 11:05:29 pm
Remember Cutler every game throwing 2 picks and 1 fumble.
The BOTTOM line is.....the Bears have had the lead in the second half in EVERY game this year. EVERY game. Coulda, woulda won EVERY game. Our coach is learning how to win as well - Nagy is the real deal.
Post by: Pekin on October 31, 2018, 02:50:48 am
Post by: Sportster on October 31, 2018, 07:58:46 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2018, 08:01:04 am
Post by: boogie on October 31, 2018, 08:14:10 am
Post by: boogie on October 31, 2018, 08:22:23 am
Bears starting guard Kyle Long will miss the next six to eight weeks after suffering a foot injury on Sunday, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network.
That could result in the Bears putting Long on injured reserve and bringing him back once he’s ready. Which might not be until the end of the regular season — or the start of the playoffs, when the Bears hope they’ll still be playing.
Long has started all seven games this season but has had injuries three years in a row. Last year he missed six games and the year before he missed eight games.
Post by: davebear on October 31, 2018, 09:26:34 am
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2018, 09:39:50 am
Post by: BearHit on October 31, 2018, 09:47:04 am
Post by: Sportster on October 31, 2018, 09:57:45 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2018, 10:35:09 am
I don't know the extent of Long's injury yet but 6-8 weeks could be a broken foot.
Regardless, if they think he CAN return near the end of the season or playoffs I don't think they have to IR him. Shaheen is on IR and is eligible to come off soon. I think you can only return one IR guy - stupid rule.
Bears have plenty of OL depth on the roster right now. Start Kush and Daniels. Witzmann is the reserve and Bradley Sowell can play guard or tackle. Coward is strictly a tackle.
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2018, 10:45:05 am
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2018, 11:36:43 am
Kudos to Pace...I questioned the Daniels pick in round 2. Looks like it was a good choice.
Post by: guest118 on October 31, 2018, 02:08:03 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 31, 2018, 02:35:37 pm
Post by: davep on October 31, 2018, 03:50:59 pm
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2018, 04:14:26 pm
He's not just tall - he's big - well over 270lbs. He's not going to run by anybody on defense but with his basketball background he should be a red zone threat or at least an option on 3rd and short.
But I think he can be more than that based on his athleticism. There's a history of great TEs that come from basketball backgrounds (Gonzalez, Gates, and Jimmy Graham).
Post by: stelz on October 31, 2018, 07:01:57 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/video/mic-d-up-matt-nagy
Post by: BearHit on November 01, 2018, 05:37:16 am
Post by: navigator on November 01, 2018, 07:20:31 am
Post by: boogie on November 02, 2018, 08:20:33 am
Post by: guest118 on November 04, 2018, 04:35:14 pm
Cohen should not be allowed to run up the middle - just a waste of a play.
Trubisky seemed a little off again.
I thought this could have been a trap game that we easily could have lost - being on the road, not fired up to play Buffalo, the Bills D is very good etc.....
Post by: VJ on November 05, 2018, 06:13:38 am
Post by: Dave23 on November 05, 2018, 06:41:46 am
Post by: guest77 on November 05, 2018, 07:45:56 am
Love those last two columns...
I didn't realize how lopsided our point differential was! We're nearly 4 PPG less in Points Against than the Wipings.
Post by: navigator on November 05, 2018, 07:54:58 am
Post by: guest118 on November 05, 2018, 10:15:51 am
Post by: WshflThinking on November 05, 2018, 10:26:59 am
I just hope shutting Mack down has him healthy again. It was also good to see some other guys stepping it up.
With the most meaningful games of the season approaching ( division games ), we need Mack ready to rock and roll.
Post by: boogie on November 05, 2018, 10:29:58 am
Post by: WshflThinking on November 05, 2018, 10:40:36 am
Post by: dallasbear on November 05, 2018, 11:35:48 am
Yeah, he was inactive.
So now the decision becomes do the Bears activate Shaheen or wait until the final week of the season and re-activate Long?
Post by: WshflThinking on November 05, 2018, 11:57:44 am
Post by: boogie on November 05, 2018, 12:18:22 pm
Post by: guest118 on November 05, 2018, 12:45:21 pm
Post by: Dave23 on November 05, 2018, 01:07:08 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 05, 2018, 01:13:38 pm
Post by: JeffH on November 05, 2018, 01:28:18 pm
Post by: guest118 on November 05, 2018, 02:19:14 pm
Post by: Sportster on November 05, 2018, 04:23:54 pm
Post by: dallasbear on November 05, 2018, 04:47:39 pm
White is fine - they just wanted to see if Wyms could block better than White.
Post by: guest118 on November 05, 2018, 05:46:36 pm
I am thinking this White's last year. Not sure why - he has ton of talent.
Post by: Pekin on November 08, 2018, 02:09:19 am
Post by: boogie on November 08, 2018, 09:04:47 am
Getty Images
The Bears have designated tight end Adam Shaheen to return from injured reserve. The move gives the team three weeks to add Shaheen to the active roster or he will revert back to IR.
Shaheen began the season on injured reserve with foot and ankle injuries.
He was injured on a 5-yard catch in an Aug. 18 preseason game against Denver, with his injuries requiring surgery.
The 51st overall pick in the 2017 draft led the Bears with three receiving touchdowns last season.
Post by: dallasbear on November 08, 2018, 09:36:12 am
Which means defenses may have to pay attention when they split out the 2nd TE in some formations - I'm sure they aren't when the Bears split out Sims.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 09, 2018, 08:49:37 pm
I guess I would put % to it; 50% chance of being average, 20% of being great, 30% chance of a bust.
Post by: Pekin on November 10, 2018, 03:51:24 am
Post by: Pekin on November 10, 2018, 03:53:03 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 10, 2018, 06:55:10 am
Beat a Lions team that is just asking for a beat down and the Bears can cross off another check-box that these are not the "same ole, same ole Bears" we've seen the last decade or so....
Go Bears !
Post by: boogie on November 10, 2018, 07:44:48 am
Post by: davep on November 10, 2018, 10:58:44 am
However, for the next two or three years, he is going to have the same problem that most young quarterbacks have - inconsistency. He will win games he should have lost, and lose games that he should have won. That is life in the NFL.
Post by: boogie on November 10, 2018, 11:36:06 am
Post by: dallasbear on November 10, 2018, 12:47:46 pm
Rocket arm is down the list of important QB attributes...ask Drew Brees.
Trubisky has all the tools physically. His issues are with decision making. That could improve with experience or may never develop much beyond where he's at today.
Time will tell.
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2018, 04:35:24 pm
Post by: Sportster on November 11, 2018, 12:56:33 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 11, 2018, 05:51:10 am
One thing, and this may be overstated, but he cares about how he plays, how he is perceived, how he leads. That is a strong intangible. I truly think he is just game experience in the same system away from being a well above average starting QB. It is hard to predict greatness this early in a career. Marino looked the part early in his career and never looked back. Mahomes has that look also. But there are a lot of great QBs that took time in their journeys to achieve greatness and have the staying power. Steve Young is a great comparison, Drew Brees are two examples of QBS that were not on fire early in their careers. Early on, Alex Smith was the comparison for Trubisky. At this point, I would be disappointed if that is all he becomes.
It's funny how the national media picked this week to jump both feet in with the Trubisky bashing. To a degree, even the local media has been harsh. When I look at the points this offense is scoring, I wonder what Bears team they are watching versus where we have been. It's not close, and this is without a stout running game that we are accustomed to seeing.
Put me down for above average with a 15% chance of being great.
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 11, 2018, 07:29:02 am
That will come with time (and some patience) and he does seem to have the makeup for it.
The real question is will the coaching staff stay the course of his ups and downs when the pressure comes from bad performances to "salvage the season" and play the experience hand. (IMHO I think they will stand the course)...
The fans, well, they are a different beast indeed though...
Not sure my heart can take the ups and downs much longer, but here's hoping the ups are more often now than the downs (unlike the past 10 years or so)....
Go Bears !
Post by: chifaninva on November 11, 2018, 11:36:09 am
With that said, it is frustrating to watch at times..
Post by: davebear on November 11, 2018, 01:33:48 pm
Post by: guest118 on November 11, 2018, 06:17:29 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 11, 2018, 06:24:36 pm
Post by: guest118 on November 11, 2018, 06:29:24 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 11, 2018, 06:52:45 pm
Trubisky has a day like the elite QBs have.
Wierd day for sure but I'll take it :D
Lets see a dismantling of the Vikes and the Lions again in 11 days... :D
Go Bears
Post by: davebear on November 11, 2018, 08:48:14 pm
Miller is already better than most of the receivers picked before him.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 12, 2018, 05:13:36 am
Post by: BearHit on November 12, 2018, 06:55:25 am
That would be an interesting development
Post by: WshflThinking on November 12, 2018, 09:15:35 am
Post by: davep on November 12, 2018, 09:38:03 am
Can Trubiskey kick FGs?
That would be an interesting development
Then he could compete with my favorite quarterback.
George Blanda redux.
Post by: WshflThinking on November 12, 2018, 10:58:19 am
Post by: davebear on November 12, 2018, 11:46:33 am
Post by: Pekin on November 12, 2018, 12:28:40 pm
Post by: stelz on November 12, 2018, 03:14:58 pm
😋
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 12, 2018, 06:50:32 pm
I am rooting for Trubisky. I do not know how it all unfolds but I am hoping for the best! I thought it might make for a good discussion.
Is it just me or is Aikem Hicks kinda taken a backseat lately? He dominated last year with little help on DL. I thought he might really begin to dominate with better players around him. What you all say?
Post by: Sportster on November 12, 2018, 07:32:25 pm
13. Green Bay Packers (3-4-1)
Preseason rank: 8 | Week 9: 11
The lack of talent from some putrid draft classes combined with an offensive plan that looks outdated have caught up with the Packers. And the quarterback hasn't played all that well, either. Yes, Aaron Rodgers has 15 touchdowns and one interception, but he hasn't been as sharp as in the past. That shows up in his completion percentage (at 60.6, on pace for the lowest of his career) and his passer rating (98.9, nearly 5 points below his career average). -- Rob Demovsky
Isn't it nice to read that about the Pakers instead of the Bears for a change?? :D
Post by: guest118 on November 12, 2018, 08:48:54 pm
Post by: Dave23 on November 12, 2018, 09:42:14 pm
No flag, and the announcers didn’t say a word.
Horseshit call by a horseshit crew...
Post by: BearHit on November 13, 2018, 04:59:34 am
Post by: wmljohn on November 13, 2018, 07:10:20 am
The 49ers WR just did the exact same thing Miller did when he got his unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
No flag, and the announcers didn’t say a word.
Horseshit call by a horseshit crew...
I still don't understand what Miller did to get the penalty? Point for the first down like everyone does? Spin the ball like everyone does? I just don't get it? Did he say or do something else?
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 13, 2018, 07:27:06 am
Post by: wmljohn on November 13, 2018, 07:48:17 am
I guess Nagy was quoted as saying it was a teachable moment. Either don't spin the ball or get better at spinning it. A great way to tell a kid not to do it and stand up for him at the same time for the horrible call.
Post by: boogie on November 13, 2018, 08:22:31 am
Post by: davebear on November 13, 2018, 09:23:50 am
Post by: dallasbear on November 13, 2018, 09:32:08 am
The 49ers WR just did the exact same thing Miller did when he got his unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
No flag, and the announcers didn’t say a word.
Horseshit call by a horseshit crew...
Yep, I was going to post that same exact thing.
It's either allowed or it's not. Maybe they should just ban it and give players more incentive to save their celebrations for the end zone if they score.
Post by: BearHit on November 13, 2018, 12:42:52 pm
Post by: dallasbear on November 13, 2018, 02:25:53 pm
The spike thing slows down the game - especially if the ball doesn't spin in place. The sack dances and first down theatrics don't (remember when Mark Gastineau was the only guy that did anything after a sack).
Post by: VJ on November 13, 2018, 04:15:10 pm
Post by: Dave23 on November 14, 2018, 10:32:25 am
Post by: davebear on November 14, 2018, 11:38:23 am
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2018, 12:32:34 pm
You know that kind of spouting only fuels guys to perform better. And what would you expect from a guy with a last name of Lombardi?
Post by: stelz on November 14, 2018, 12:52:25 pm
Nagy is a winner, and we don’t have to worry about him leaving for another team. The previous regime had one good offensive coach in Adam Gase, and he was noticed for accomplishing the miracle of getting an effective season of game management from Jay Cutler, and found himself head coaching the Dolphins the next year.
It’s completely turned around in one off season.
Post by: guest118 on November 14, 2018, 01:04:13 pm
We were up 26 zip. That's putting your foot on their throats. Nagy wants to score every drive and it's disappointing when they do not score every drive - imagine that.
We have a defense that WILL come at you now.
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2018, 02:10:44 pm
Post by: Dave23 on November 14, 2018, 06:02:12 pm
Bears/Rams on 12/9 has also been flexed to Sunday night.
Post by: wmljohn on November 15, 2018, 06:00:31 am
Post by: VJ on November 15, 2018, 06:20:06 am
I live in Minneapolis and have been listening to KFAN as much as the Score and E1000. Goddamn, I want this game bad. Queens fans here are pretty confident about their chances and the players are using the underdog card just shoveling praises on the Bears. The talkers are all kinds of out of town stupid.
V2, get your purple ass out here. I have caught you lurking a time or 2. Dougy you may return to your embroidery.
Post by: wmljohn on November 15, 2018, 08:00:02 am
I welcome V2 back. Dougy was just a troll dick.
Post by: BearHit on November 15, 2018, 08:06:47 am
Post by: BearHit on November 15, 2018, 08:08:13 am
Groundskeeper Willie: Dam Scots!!
Post by: davebear on November 15, 2018, 08:33:12 am
Good Morrow
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 15, 2018, 09:20:07 am
Another thing about this team is that it is still young. That will lead to infuriating play at times (see Anthony Miller) but also a kid-like enthusiasm that is very enjoyable to watch. And they should only get better.....
Go Bears !
Post by: VJ on November 16, 2018, 01:15:51 pm
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Post by: guest118 on November 19, 2018, 08:42:55 am
Post by: navigator on November 19, 2018, 11:25:15 am
Post by: dallasbear on November 19, 2018, 11:55:15 am
Gabriel has exceeded my expectations. But because of his height he's not going to win many 50/50 deep balls unless he's got the defender beat by at least a step.
Vikings pass rush is tough and their corners play very tight - Bears did not have a single pass 20 yards or more the whole game.
Post by: guest118 on November 19, 2018, 12:05:18 pm
Post by: dallasbear on November 19, 2018, 12:57:42 pm
Usually the defense has a lot to do with QBs being a little off. Cousins was a little off too for most of the game until the Bears went into a prevent with the lead.
Post by: guest77 on November 19, 2018, 08:32:04 pm
https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/Bears-injury-report-Mitch-Trubisky-125001235/
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 19, 2018, 08:45:52 pm
https://twitter.com/ChicagoBears/status/1064589478294020096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1064589478294020096&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fnfl%2Fchicago-bears%2FArticle%2FBears-injury-report-Mitch-Trubisky-125001235%2F
Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2018, 09:16:07 am
Did you notice #10 clapping and smiling during Nagy's talk? Doesn't look like a guy with a shoulder injury.
Post by: guest118 on November 20, 2018, 09:17:35 am
God I love this guy.
Post by: WshflThinking on November 20, 2018, 10:56:35 am
Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2018, 11:28:30 am
Bears need to get the other interior lineman more productive in the pass rush - Nichols, Robertson-Harris and Ballard, especially with all the attention Hicks and Mack get.
Post by: Dave23 on November 20, 2018, 11:35:30 am
Post by: guest118 on November 20, 2018, 12:32:40 pm
Mack, Goldman, Hicks, Floyd....who are you going to block???????????
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 23, 2018, 06:06:13 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 23, 2018, 08:00:01 am
Assuming we beat the Giants, I see this team and city sky high jacked for the Rams.
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2018, 09:23:04 am
Post by: chifaninva on November 23, 2018, 12:20:10 pm
I think to say we win 3 out of the next 5 is a very reasonable prediction. Beginning of the season you wouldn't have heard me say 11 and 5, but there you have it..
Post by: guest118 on November 23, 2018, 01:58:52 pm
Post by: octagon on November 23, 2018, 02:59:54 pm
Post by: Sportster on November 23, 2018, 03:27:25 pm
Post by: VJ on November 23, 2018, 06:21:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgkPZMfAgrs
Post by: WshflThinking on November 24, 2018, 04:14:13 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-harrison-smith-mitch-trubisky-fined-20181124-story.html
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 24, 2018, 05:16:32 pm
Post by: navigator on November 24, 2018, 05:31:19 pm
Post by: guest118 on November 25, 2018, 06:50:22 pm
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/ballot
Gets some Bears into the Pro-Bowl
Post by: dallasbear on November 25, 2018, 07:24:52 pm
OK, who do I root for tonight? Packers have the easier schedule but the Vikings are in 2nd place.
Packers will be favored in every game after tonight with the exception of the Bears game and we know what Rodgers record is against the Bears.
Vikings visit the SeaHawks, Patriots and the Lions. All tough games.
Enough for me to root against the pack.
Post by: guest118 on November 25, 2018, 07:51:31 pm
Rodgers throws passes no one else can throw. He might short one or two receivers. The key is stopping Adams. Graham has busted thumb - they suited him up - but you can't catch an Erin Rodgers pass with a busted thumb.
Post by: Pekin on November 25, 2018, 08:22:24 pm
But really either losing is good. Who am I shitting I always root against the Packers.
Post by: 46 on November 25, 2018, 09:12:29 pm
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Post by: guest118 on November 25, 2018, 09:51:08 pm
Post by: 46 on November 28, 2018, 06:59:55 pm
Post by: Pekin on November 29, 2018, 02:18:44 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 29, 2018, 07:25:09 am
Post by: WshflThinking on November 29, 2018, 09:23:30 am
“[Donatell] and I talk about that all the time,” Jackson said. “We don’t really try to pay attention to [awards] and get the big head. We want to keep working. The goal is to make the playoffs and the Super Bowl. That’s what we’re fighting for.”"
That sounds super to me
Post by: dallasbear on November 29, 2018, 09:28:17 am
Hicks injury could be bigger than Trubisky's. He has been bothered with an Achilles and did not practice.
Post by: WshflThinking on November 29, 2018, 09:53:28 am
"ByRick Morrissey
@MorrisseyCST | email
Mitch Trubisky did not step to the lectern for his regularly scheduled news conference Wednesday, nor did he throw any passes during practice later in the day. Normally, that’s NFL code for “uh-oh,’’ but these aren’t normal times for the Bears. These are good times.
There’s no reason to rush Trubisky back from his right shoulder injury, or at least there’s little pressing need. The Bears play the lowly Giants on Sunday, and Chase Daniel is a comfortable alternative at quarterback, as he proved in a victory over the Lions on Thanksgiving.
That’s the view from atop the NFC North standings, a sunny, foreign place for many of us around here. Bears coach Matt Nagy probably would prefer that we get off our high horse.
It’s true that any NFL team can beat any other NFL team on any given Thursday, Sunday or Monday. But it’s also true that it would be much better for the Bears to have a healthy Trubisky for the rest of the season than to expose him to the possibility of discomfort, or worse, down the stretch."
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 29, 2018, 12:25:34 pm
Post by: joki13 on November 29, 2018, 12:36:16 pm
Post by: guest118 on November 29, 2018, 04:45:37 pm
Post by: joki13 on December 01, 2018, 04:01:50 pm
Post by: Dave23 on December 01, 2018, 04:51:37 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 01, 2018, 08:46:59 pm
I mentioned Tuesday that they signed him to the PS. Havent heard what their intentions for him are.
Post by: guest118 on December 02, 2018, 06:18:25 pm
6:04 PM - Dec 2, 2018
Post by: Pekin on December 02, 2018, 06:18:52 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 02, 2018, 06:31:03 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2018, 07:12:07 pm
I would. I don't think Fangio has the personality to be a head coach. Plus the league seems to be going to young offensive minded head coaches.
And that's not Fangio.
Post by: chifaninva on December 03, 2018, 04:44:13 am
Post by: wmljohn on December 03, 2018, 05:59:20 am
Today's GMs want what the Rams and Chicago have done. Draft a young QB and pair them with a great offensive minded head coach. If they hire a great defensive Head Coach and pair that coach with a great OC then the great OC is going to get taken away by another team in a year or two. You will continue to keep looking and replacing the OC and your young QB is going to suffer.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2018, 06:16:15 am
Post by: Dave23 on December 03, 2018, 07:12:12 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 03, 2018, 07:49:08 am
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2018, 07:56:35 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 03, 2018, 09:45:15 am
I think Rodgers can still play for 3 to 5 more years. Even this year, his numbers aren't that bad. 21 TDs....ONE interception. 99 rating. Half of those numbers came on a bum knee.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2018, 10:00:01 am
Post by: Dave23 on December 03, 2018, 10:26:08 am
Screw 'em...
Post by: dallasbear on December 03, 2018, 10:27:19 am
Let's not pollute the Bears topics with Packer chatter. We got our own issues.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2018, 10:36:15 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 03, 2018, 11:17:54 am
Post by: Sportster on December 03, 2018, 06:27:49 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 04, 2018, 05:10:09 am
Post by: wmljohn on December 04, 2018, 07:16:32 am
I hope Fangio isn't interested. I hope Fangio wants to finish what he started here in Chicago. I don't think he has a ring does he? He came close with SF. Hopefully he wants one and doesn't want to start over from scratch.
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 04, 2018, 09:06:51 am
I was screaming at the TV to GO FOR TWO when they scored the TD at the end of regulation. They were playing with house money... and I think Nagy choked at the moment of truth. I hope this is not a theme from him (2nd half meltdown in playoffs last year notwithstanding).....
The downside was minimal- The D nor ST does not have to see the field again in a game they should have lost and it would be on to the Rams. Chase played like dog-poo most of the game, but this would have been the moment (not that lame throw it long on 4th and long in OT that was not going to happen especially after his little hands kept fumbling the ball)....
I like this team. And the coach. But he has shown some bad tendancies to choke at times (and not always under pressure- WTF was the TO before halftime ?)...
Young team. Young HC. Live and learn. At least the Bears are relevant again....
Post by: davep on December 04, 2018, 11:28:19 am
First - Young players make mistakes, often at when the pressure is on at extremely critical points. Even the best young players make them, and almost all of them improve with age and experience.
Second - teams that suddenly go from mediocre to good are usually lacking in depth, especially at key positions. It is obvious that an injury to Trubisiy greatly harms the team, and can you imagine how an injury to Mack would effect the pass rush. But the offensive line, especially with regards to the running game, is questionable at best, and an injury there would be difficult to overcome. They have two good running backs, but they both have different strengths, and an injury to either one would result in a drop in that type of offensive plays.
They have a good young team this year, but will need extreme luck to make it far in the post season. But given a decent off season, they should have an excellent young but experienced team NEXT year that will not need so much luck to succeed.
Post by: dallasbear on December 04, 2018, 02:32:58 pm
I don't want to get into next year too much. This year Bears have benefited from a great draft and free agency and avoided major injuries.
Next year we have some decisions on our own FAs (Massey, Amos and Callahan). Not sure we have enough cap to pay these guys let alone further upgrades. Draft is basically round 3, 4, and 5.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2018, 02:35:26 pm
Post by: Sportster on December 04, 2018, 02:44:08 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2018, 02:50:17 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 04, 2018, 03:14:30 pm
I tend to agree with you on Howard until I saw the first half of the Giants game. It seems like in the past he just hit the hole that was supposed to be there but wasn't. Sunday it looked like he was a bit more patient and bounced it outside when the hole wasn't there.
Plus it seems like Nagy just doesn't have patience with the running game nor with Howard. He'll make a good run and next thing you know he's on the sideline. Part of that is the productivity of Cohen but part of it is that Nagy really likes to throw the ball throughout the course of the game.
I think there is a spot on the roster for a younger halfback that has a mix of the size of Howard and the speed of Cohen...or at least someone in between the two. I've never liked Mizzell and even though I've always like Cunningham he is getting up there in running back years and he's been out of action for quite a few games.
Post by: guest118 on December 04, 2018, 04:03:42 pm
Post by: davebear on December 04, 2018, 05:21:55 pm
I don't think he has. His strength is his rare vision and he showed it the first half Sunday. He tends to approach the line of scrimmage and choose a hole rather than barrell into the assigned spot. On short yardage he usually just hits it hard.
I read Howard was contacted 7 times behind the line in 16 carries last Sunday. That doesn't include the plays where the OL was flat out beat resulting in 1-2 yard gains.
Post by: wmljohn on December 04, 2018, 05:24:10 pm
Post by: davebear on December 04, 2018, 05:29:48 pm
Post by: guest118 on December 04, 2018, 06:02:28 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 04, 2018, 06:15:03 pm
2020 draft: 2nd (Oakland's), 2nd, 4, 5, 6, 7
Post by: octagon on December 04, 2018, 08:23:14 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 05, 2018, 05:12:08 am
I think the right team would offer a 4th. For some reason I could see him as a Steeler or Raven.
Post by: dallasbear on December 05, 2018, 08:59:20 am
I like Howard but getting a 4th for him? I dunno.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2018, 10:42:17 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 05, 2018, 11:06:07 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 05, 2018, 12:01:05 pm
I read that there is a pretty good running back that might be soon available that used to play on the Chiefs...
Post by: boogie on December 05, 2018, 12:08:10 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 05, 2018, 12:19:02 pm
He'll play somewhere...but not for the Bears.
Odd that the Redskins have already picked up Reuben Foster from the 49ers, but signed Sanchez instead of Kapernick.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2018, 01:17:14 pm
I read that there is a pretty good running back that might be soon available that used to play on the Chiefs...
Haha....Nagy would love him...but I doubt he is ever a Bear. Domestic violence? Nah...forget about it.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 06, 2018, 05:12:24 am
Post by: wmljohn on December 06, 2018, 06:29:02 am
Nothing is fully guaranteed. He can earn guaranteed money one year at a time as long as he meets all stipulations the previous year to guarantee the next year. 90% of the stipulations would be on rehabilitating himself and his image.
For instance...
100 million 5 year contract evenly distributed
Year 1 - Nothing guaranteed. Any off the field Violence incidence can get you cut without further payment.
Year 2 - Semi Guaranteed only if year 1 rehab stipulations are met in year 1 and there are no relapse or incidents during the year. Any off the field Violence incidence can get you cut without further payment.
Year 3 - Semi Guaranteed only if year 2 rehab stipulations are met in year 2 and there are no relapse or incidents during the year. Any off the field Violence incidence can get you cut without further payment.
Year 4 - Same
Year 5 - Same
Essentially 5 year to year contracts.
I would then consider him fully rehabilitated and not put any kind of stipulations on a next contract. It should be negotiated as normal.
I could live with those parameters and it would be a way to sell it to the public as allowing a second and last chance.
Post by: dallasbear on December 06, 2018, 11:14:55 am
I've seen several Cowboys with similar issues through the years...even with a 2nd chance they all somehow end up stepping on their own d____.
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2018, 11:44:36 am
It's not his fault - his friends and relatives taught him this was acceptable behavior in his impressionable years
Post by: guest118 on December 06, 2018, 11:49:07 am
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2018, 12:05:06 pm
Parents at those games behave differently than parents at baseball games
Post by: dallasbear on December 07, 2018, 03:03:41 pm
“Unfortunately, no,” he asserted. “I wish I did. Trust me. The pain of losing does not equal the excitement of winning.”
Especially true when you start winning more games than you lose.
Post by: octagon on December 07, 2018, 08:53:33 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 08, 2018, 05:46:04 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 08, 2018, 06:20:38 am
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Post by: boogie on December 08, 2018, 08:40:30 am
Post by: boogie on December 08, 2018, 08:42:14 am
Burton is now with the Bears, who also had a touchdown on a trick play pass, thrown by running back Tarik Cohen, on Sunday. That play was originally designed for Burton to throw it, but he said he feels so much pressure to live up to his famous Super Bowl play that he asked out of the responsibility, and coach Matt Nagy agreed he should not do it if he did not feel comfortable.
“We installed the play and when they put it on the board I got crazy anxiety,” Burton said, via Josh Frydman of WGN. “I was kind of freaking out a bit because a ton of unbelievable memories come to mind from the Super Bowl . . . I just couldn’t. Physically, there was some type of block, wasn’t letting me do it. I told Nagy, ‘hey coach, I’m having crazy anxiety.’ I couldn’t sleep that night thinking about it. There were so many really good memories but I’m not there anymore, I’m on a different team doing something different. I just didn’t feel comfortable. Thankfully he said, ‘No big deal, I appreciate you letting me know’ and [Cohen] was able to do it.”
So Philly Special may have been the last time Burton throws a pass.
Post by: davep on December 08, 2018, 10:20:04 am
Post by: Sportster on December 08, 2018, 12:02:56 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 08, 2018, 03:00:36 pm
davep
Blocking wasn't there even with Long but probably worse now with Witzman. Running games usually do better in the 2nd half but I just think Nagy doesn't often stick with it. And I know the stats probably don't back me up but a lot of that yardage is from Trubiksy scrambles.
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Post by: Dave23 on December 09, 2018, 02:03:18 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 10, 2018, 10:28:36 am
Problem is the 2 guards who might more of backups right now.
Witzmann for sure. But Daniels is ranked as one of the top guards in the NFL according to PFF....and Leno and Massey are among the top graded tackles. Massey along with Calahan and Amos are FAs after this season.
Bears are paying out big bucks to Mack, Hicks and Fuller, but still on rookie contracts for Trubisky and Howard. Can we re-sign these guys?
Post by: WshflThinking on December 10, 2018, 11:16:49 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 10, 2018, 05:15:15 pm
Post by: guest118 on December 10, 2018, 10:05:58 pm
Post by: guest118 on December 10, 2018, 10:09:51 pm
Funny quote from Wagner #54 on Seattle early in the game. He was yelling at the Vikings: "You guys didn't show up tonight" - he knew.
Cousins every year seems to start real strong and then fades.
Post by: chifaninva on December 11, 2018, 04:47:29 am
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 11, 2018, 05:18:53 am
I feel pretty confident that we will end up the 3rd seed. I also feel confident that Seattle will end up the 5th. What is near impossible to figure out is who will be the 6th and be coming to Chicago for the first round of playoffs.
I really think it will come down to our game against the Vikings and the Redskins/Eagles game week 17. If we beat the Vikings, most likely the winner of the Skins/Eagles will be our opponent. Probably looking like Eagles.
I really think we win first game at home. We then would travel to N.O. or L.A. I am going to guess N.O. with Seattle going to L.A.
I realize this is a lots of ifs and or butts however I really, really could see us hosting the NFC championship game against Seattle at Soldier Field Jan. 20th.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 11, 2018, 08:01:47 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 11, 2018, 09:37:11 am
Yep, as it stands we'll play the last wild card team unless we stumble at the end and then we'd end up hosting most likely Seattle.
After that, the higher seed between the Bears and Dallas travels to LA with the lower seed most likely going to New Orleans.
As long as we win the division nothing else really matters. Bears will either face New Orleans then LA or LA then New Orleans.
Goal: win the division and stay healthy for the playoffs (and get that rust off Trubisky).
Post by: WshflThinking on December 11, 2018, 09:49:23 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/09/5-takeaways-from-bears-15-6-victory-over-the-rams/
Post by: guest118 on December 11, 2018, 11:54:30 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 11, 2018, 12:21:54 pm
Statistically he's having one of his best season (QB rating 98.4). Two thousand yard receivers - but running game just isn't consistent enough. Their defense is top 5 but just isn't the turnover machine like the Bears.
Post by: boogie on December 11, 2018, 02:56:50 pm
The Bears could be without an important part of their pass defense for some portion of the rest of their season.
According to Mike Garafolo of the NFL Network, Bears cornerback Bryce Callahan broke the fifth metatarsal in his left foot during Sunday’s win over the Rams.
He’s the Bears’ nickel corner, practically a starter, and had been playing well at the time of the injury.
It’s unclear how much time he’ll miss, but the Bears have more than three weeks of football left in front of them, so they’ll likely hold a spot for him until they know more.
Post by: guest118 on December 12, 2018, 12:11:54 pm
Post by: davebear on December 12, 2018, 12:38:17 pm
I've noticed Amakamura has left the last two games for a period of time with some kind of upper body injury.
If that gets worse they play Tolliver then who else is there??
Post by: boogie on December 12, 2018, 01:09:28 pm
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Post by: boogie on December 12, 2018, 01:10:27 pm
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The Bears announced they signed defensive back Marcus Williams on Wednesday. They placed cornerback Bryce Callahan on injured reserve in a corresponding move.
Callahan, the team’s nickel corner, broke the fifth metatarsal in his left foot during Sunday’s win over the Rams.
Williams, 27, played two games for Tampa Bay this season. He made three tackles. The Bucs waived him from injured reserve with a settlement in October.
He also has played for the Texans and the Jets.
In his career, Williams has appeared in 51 games, with 15 starts, and made 10 interceptions and 27 passes defensed.
Post by: guest118 on December 12, 2018, 01:51:10 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 12, 2018, 01:54:20 pm
Think about our losses. The Miami and NE game - Hicks was not 100%. Giants game Trubisky was out and Daniel's turnovers and fumbilitis was the differance in that ball game. Those 3 games and the Packer comeback are all are losses.
Bears will go with McManus and more 3 - 4 alignments with Calahan out...but he will be missed.
Post by: guest118 on December 12, 2018, 02:56:06 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2018, 10:55:45 am
My first concern after the game is the health of Eddie Jackson. Hoping its a mild low ankle sprain (those high ankle sprains have long recovery times).
Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2018, 10:58:07 am
And how do you like #94 now?
Not everyone is going to play like a first rounder game in and game out especially when they are injured (see Kyle Fuller), but if a guy has talent it will come through in the end.
Post by: VJ on December 17, 2018, 11:03:46 am
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5c16c694/turbine/chi-bears16sack2-ct0088122833-20181216/1550/1000x500)
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5c16c92e/turbine/chi-bears16goingdown-ct0088123082-20181216/1550/1000x500)
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Post by: boogie on December 17, 2018, 11:07:14 am
Post by: VJ on December 17, 2018, 11:20:52 am
“By any means necessary,” Mack said, via the Chicago Tribune. “The guy kind of grabbed my face mask, so I couldn’t even look at the quarterback. I didn’t know where he was at. I’ll take it if they gave it to me.”
(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/GettyImages-1074131200-e1545062900275.jpg?w=560&h=316&crop=1)
Post by: chifaninva on December 17, 2018, 11:38:46 am
Fuller's the mystery man. He really wasn't all that. Now the talk is "he's one of the top CB's in the league"...
Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2018, 12:10:03 pm
Post by: guest118 on December 17, 2018, 12:38:03 pm
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Post by: davebear on December 17, 2018, 01:44:58 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2018, 01:46:17 pm
Yesterday he got some "stats" but his play has been much improved over a longer period of time...at least the last month. And what's the status of Aaron Lynch (another edge guy you didn't like and wanted to cut after he missed the preseason)? He'll probably sign elsewhere after this season.
I don't like Perez' too much, but I was hoping the Bears took an edge guy with one of our picks in the first 3 or 4 rounds. I think the Bears may have known that Mack could be up for sale. Backup edge rusher and backup corners are needs on defense, maybe SS if Amos leaves. More needs on offense.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2018, 02:05:54 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2018, 02:31:15 pm
Need to replace? I think he's a need to keep.
If he's let go. You have Rashaad Coward (converted DE that has never played a single NFL regular season game), at best a 3rd round pick in the 2019 draft, or a free agent.
I like Massey, and he's not too old at 29, but sometimes it comes down to cap decisions.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2018, 03:20:52 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2018, 04:09:18 pm
On the Sunday night game his PFF grade for a RT popped up as top 5 or 6 in the NFL.
He's not going to get some veteran minimum 1 or 2 year deal.
Post by: Dave23 on December 17, 2018, 05:27:32 pm
I hope we can bring him back at a reasonable deal.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2018, 08:21:52 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 17, 2018, 11:55:09 pm
A reasonable deal is the highest amount any team is willing to pay.
Massie had a rough go of it early in 2016, but he rebounded and has been more than solid for the Bears since then.
What might work against him is his age - he'll be 30 next year. That might lower his asking price.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 18, 2018, 05:47:55 am
Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2018, 08:26:52 am
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2018, 10:21:02 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2018, 10:27:18 am
I can't see Massie going anywhere. Why would you leave a team that's on a Massive rise? We have cap space to add more players.
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Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2018, 10:31:55 am
13 mil is a lot of cap space....OK. What about Calahan? What about others that are due?
I know besides Massie and Calahan, Amos is the only starter's who's contract is up. And I think Lynch signed a 1 year deal. And our punter's deal is up - he's had a good year too.
I'm not a capologist but I thought I heard they are adding $10M to the 2019 cap.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2018, 10:40:57 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 18, 2018, 10:57:27 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2018, 11:49:45 am
Huge Willie Young fan - if we didn't sign Mack I figured the Bears would have brought him back. Same deal with Lamarr Houston (5 sacks in 10 games with the Texans/Bears last year).
Both now unemployed. NFL age discrimination I guess.
Post by: davebear on December 18, 2018, 02:04:03 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2018, 02:19:10 pm
Last night: ‘‘I don’t think either of them is season-ending,’’ Nagy said.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2018, 02:39:44 pm
Post by: 46 on December 18, 2018, 03:23:35 pm
threw a big switch and BANG! Got a lot further than I thought, and it might be just me, but the team on both sides of the ball seem to be still getting better. Betcha the Bear is going to give anybody
a run for the money. Beating GreenBay had to happen . Had to. I admit I was on pins and needles the whole time. A lot more fun watching when you win and oppose to lose.
Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2018, 04:36:58 pm
2017 to 2018 changes:
Offense
- new HC/OC (improved play calling)
- entirely new set of WRs (old set are not even in the league last I looked) in Robinson and Gabriel
- new starting TE (Burton)
- increased usage of Tarik Cohen in offense
- Trubisky is not a rookie and HC/OC has focused on his development
- Oline relatively stable
- Quality backup QB in Daniel
Defense
- Khalil Mack
- Roquan Smith
Injuries relatively low as compared to prior years
Post by: davebear on December 18, 2018, 06:50:07 pm
Post by: chifaninva on December 18, 2018, 07:21:51 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2018, 07:41:01 pm
Post by: davebear on December 18, 2018, 10:55:32 pm
Nice to see Floyd made alternate.
Post by: wmljohn on December 19, 2018, 06:36:59 am
**Note date pre Khalil trade. Lawson would be a dream get. 😊
boogie
Re: 2018 Chicago Bears
« Reply #536 on: July 10, 2018, 02:50:38 pm »
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/7/10/17543226/pre-camp-fun-projecting-the-final-2018-chicago-bears-offensive-depth-chart-trubisky-nagy-robinson
Dave23
Re: 2018 Chicago Bears
« Reply #537 on: July 10, 2018, 10:03:01 pm »
I wonder what Fangio could do with Shaq Lawson...
dallasbear
Re: 2018 Chicago Bears
« Reply #538 on: July 11, 2018, 01:51:03 am »
I needed a good bedtime story tonight. Getting Shaq Lawson is for dreamers.
DOH!
Grizzlybear34
Re: 2018 Chicago Bears
« Reply #579 on: July 26, 2018, 06:02:05 am »
Let's hear your bold predictions for the year. Based on your prognostication skills like Nostradameus. sp
White will play all 16 games, taking snaps away from Robinson as he makes a full recovery from his torn ACL. White will finish the season with 54 catches, 840 yards, and 8 TDs. Promptly presenting them with a contract issue similar to Fuller the prior year.
Not Bad Here…
VJ
Re: 2018 Chicago Bears
« Reply #581 on: July 26, 2018, 06:54:00 am »
Bears end up 9-7, beat Green Bay opening night and go 3-3 against the division. Howard leads the league in rushing because he won't have to bash his head into a brick wall with a braindead run, run, pass, punt offense anymore. Mitch ends up with Kramer '95 type numbers with 15 to 18 interceptions. White is as good as gone with Goldman and Amos up next and Howard next year looking for Gurley numbers. Roquan = DROY. There are too many options for anyone to stand out in receiving and the ball will be spread out. Miller will be badass and ARob will mirror his stats from 2016. Oh yeah, less injuries because the Bears are due for a break (pardon the pun) from that bullshit. Floyd will be really fun to watch even though he tops out at 9 sacks. His pressure and an improving secondary will allow others to get to the QB. Prince will miss his interception prediction by 8. Lynch doesn't make the club and the combination of Acho, Houston (yep), and Fitts total 15 sacks. Hicks finally makes the ProBowl
Post by: wmljohn on December 19, 2018, 08:16:33 am
Post by: WshflThinking on December 19, 2018, 09:20:35 am
What are the chances the Bears can free up some extra cash by plugging in Rashaad Coward for Bobby Massie next year? Deon Bush for Adrian Amos and Joel Iyiegbuniwe for Danny Trevathan? Free up some extra cash to keep Leonard Floyd, pay Cody Whitehair, bring back Bryce Callahan, and maybe sign a Tevin Coleman-type upgrade as a lead back? — @knoper75
There is a difference between freeing up a cash budget and creating more salary cap space. Massie and Amos will be unrestricted free agents, so it’s a two-way street with players like that. I know the Bears felt pretty good about Coward over the summer as he adjusted to a new position, but it’s difficult bordering on impossible to determine how he’s progressed during the season when the team has a limited number of padded practices and doesn’t really hit when it is wearing full pads.
Even if the Bears like Coward, I think it would be risky to plan for him as the starting right tackle in 2019. He could be in the mix, but I think they will want to have a more experienced player as the projected starter. Maybe they try to re-sign Massie, 29, to a short-term deal, but I have to think he will seek a bigger payday than his $18 million, three-year contract that ends after this season. It’s a final shot at a big payday while he’s in his prime.
To which I agree. I dont see Massie back. And the Bears have a dilema to try to fill the hole. Even a draft pick isnt a veteran. I think that a veteran is going to use up cap space, which we dont have a lot of, and Pace is going to have to be creative. What happens is going to be very interesting. And there is going to be a lot of pressure due to the success of this years team. Lots of pressure to bring back Massie for continuity. It wouldnt surprise me they renew the "move Long to RT expirament". With Longs age and medical history I dont believe thats a good idea. But desperation may bring the issue to at least be discussed behind closed doors.
Post by: guest118 on December 19, 2018, 09:37:14 am
Amos would be a loss, but not a huge loss.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 19, 2018, 10:11:15 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 19, 2018, 10:48:07 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 19, 2018, 10:54:20 am
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Post by: dallasbear on December 19, 2018, 12:32:31 pm
He does have his whiff plays, but for the most part isnt too bad. Could we get an upgrade at the spot? Heck yeah, could we do worse, heck yeah. And just no to Long at RT, way too injury prone at this time.
He's given up 2 sacks this year and had 3 5 yard penalties. Yeah, you can upgrade any spot on the team I guess. But at what cost? You might be able to find a younger FA type for less money and hope Heistad can work his magic, but Massie is having an outstanding year....top 5 or 6 right tackle is what I saw the other night for his PFF rating.
I've seen Long at RT - not good.
Post by: guest118 on December 19, 2018, 12:52:17 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 19, 2018, 01:13:55 pm
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Post by: Dave23 on December 19, 2018, 02:30:51 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 19, 2018, 04:06:02 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 19, 2018, 04:26:25 pm
Bears are in for another tough game (aren't they all). We can probably get by without Lynch but things could get interesting without Eddie Jackson (I assume Nagy rests both).
Despite being 4-10 the 49ers are ranked in the middle of the pack on both offense (better than the Bears offensively) and defense. Plus they are much better at home.
Hopefully, Bears aren't gloating over their Pro Bowl nominations and take these guys too lightly.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 19, 2018, 05:15:53 pm
Post by: Sportster on December 19, 2018, 10:17:52 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 20, 2018, 05:17:47 am
I'd love to see Trubisky have another Bucs game in him for this one. You gotta believe this will be the in game narrative as the broadcast team focuses on the direction of both franchises since the trade happened. In addition discussion about Trubisky, Solomon Thomas and the throw ins, etc. Trubisky is a good kid. He, Pace, and the Bears... nothing I would love to hear and see more than a dominating performance. Don't be surprised if Nagy doesn't think about this also. Time to show'em.
Post by: dallasbear on December 20, 2018, 09:44:14 am
I don't think the Bears players will use the Pace/Lynch trade as motivation although I'd love to see it. Nagy has to keep Bears momentum going into the playoffs at the risk of injuring players. The Minnesota game (which could be meaningless) at the end of the year will be really strange considering they could be our opponent the very next week into the playoffs.
As for the 49ers trade, they ended up taking Solomon Thomas. He's played every game this year - recorded 23 tackles too. ONE sack. Not exactly the impact player we thought he would be.
Post by: davebear on December 20, 2018, 10:45:04 am
Post by: dallasbear on December 20, 2018, 11:17:29 am
Mack, however, shrugged.
“Yeah,” he said, “it has a chance to grow. But man, (Charles Woodson) told me this a long time ago. You only get this group for so long. Because of how the league works. So with that you want to make the most of the opportunity you have when you’re together. And time is of the essence. You have to make the most of it while everybody’s here.”
Hopefully, the team won't be satisfied with the division win or a single playoff victory - there's no reason we can't go toe to toe with the Rams, Saints, Chiefs, Chargers, etc. Super Bowl or bust!
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Post by: chifaninva on December 20, 2018, 04:30:44 pm
Mack, however, shrugged.
“Yeah,” he said, “it has a chance to grow. But man, (Charles Woodson) told me this a long time ago. You only get this group for so long. Because of how the league works. So with that you want to make the most of the opportunity you have when you’re together. And time is of the essence. You have to make the most of it while everybody’s here.”
Hopefully, the team won't be satisfied with the division win or a single playoff victory - there's no reason we can't go toe to toe with the Rams, Saints, Chiefs, Chargers, etc. Super Bowl or bust!
agree!
Post by: Sportster on December 21, 2018, 06:27:32 am
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Post by: guest118 on December 21, 2018, 08:23:08 am
1. RB Gurley on the Rams has a ninjury
2. Josh Gordon on Patriots suspended again - might be for good this time. Too bad - just great talent.
Post by: chifaninva on December 21, 2018, 11:37:41 am
Post by: guest118 on December 21, 2018, 12:20:55 pm
Post by: boogie on December 21, 2018, 03:22:20 pm
Post by: Sportster on December 22, 2018, 06:42:16 am
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25583252
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 22, 2018, 06:44:07 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 22, 2018, 06:51:37 am
Next year is not promised to us. We are on the same level of all the teams viewed at the top. I am over the top happy to have the Bears back on the winning side of the ledger, and you think that would be enough. But now I am greedy. And I would be disappointed without reaching the NFC Championship. I want to be real greedy, and say Superbowl, but I'll take the high road and say NFC Chapionship or bust. Then let the chips fall...
To quote the former Bear Mike Glennon, "This is my year"
Post by: Sportster on December 22, 2018, 07:19:32 am
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2018, 08:08:49 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kyle-long-practice-20181221-story.html
Post by: boogie on December 22, 2018, 08:37:35 am
Post by: guest118 on December 22, 2018, 08:55:05 am
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2018, 09:43:17 am
Post by: Sportster on December 22, 2018, 09:48:37 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 22, 2018, 10:05:20 am
This game vs the 49ers is just the kind of game where the old Bears take a no name QB Nick Mullins and make him look like an all-pro (see Oswieler, Brock for a good example)...
I want to see domination from start to finish in all 3 phases. No letdown. Mistakes will be made but don't keep these guys in the game. And of course, no injuries.....
Go Bears !
Post by: Pekin on December 22, 2018, 10:38:38 am
Post by: boogie on December 22, 2018, 11:04:41 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 22, 2018, 11:19:39 am
I see Nagy being talked about as coach of the year..
Post by: davebear on December 22, 2018, 11:28:42 am
It's time for Trubisky to have a good road game.
With the Rams faltering this is a ver important game.
Post by: Sportster on December 22, 2018, 05:27:28 pm
Post by: davep on December 22, 2018, 05:37:05 pm
All of this talk about this being our year to make the playoffs and next year is the year we compete for the Superbowl… Kreutz put it perfectly. Each year is the only year that you have those 52 guys together. Some will go next year, some will come, but this team is only together this year.
Next year is not promised to us. We are on the same level of all the teams viewed at the top. I am over the top happy to have the Bears back on the winning side of the ledger, and you think that would be enough. But now I am greedy. And I would be disappointed without reaching the NFC Championship. I want to be real greedy, and say Superbowl, but I'll take the high road and say NFC Chapionship or bust. Then let the chips fall...
To quote the former Bear Mike Glennon, "This is my year"
I hope that the Bears win the Super Bowl EVERY YEAR. However, that doesn't change the probabilities that they probably won't do that.
I hope that Bears win the Super Bowl THIS year. But there are at least three teams that are, at the very least, just about as good as they are. So the odds of them winning the Super Bowl THIS year is probably somewhere about 25%.
I hope they win, but I can hardly see this as a failed season if they don't make it. It has been much more enjoyable than I ever hoped it would be, and I look forward to more seasons like this one or better.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 23, 2018, 06:26:07 am
Pace built the foundation, added a transformational coach, a good free agent haul, then Smith, then MACK... wow!
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 23, 2018, 07:29:48 am
I hope this team takes full advantage of this season and wins the big one.
And I don't even think this team has seen its best days yet.....
Go Bears !
Post by: boogie on December 23, 2018, 07:31:19 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 23, 2018, 09:22:09 am
Tomorrow is promised to nobody.
I hope this team takes full advantage of this season and wins the big one.
And I don't even think this team has seen its best days yet.....
Go Bears !
I agree. Who knows what next year brings.
Post by: chifaninva on December 23, 2018, 09:29:51 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 23, 2018, 09:30:41 am
Post by: davep on December 23, 2018, 10:00:13 am
It is also true that those who ignore tomorrow and fail to prepare for it usually end up with pretty bad tomorrows.
I don't think there are any Bear fans on this board that do not hope that they win the Super Bowl. But if they don't, the world will not end either for them or for the Bears.
Post by: boogie on December 23, 2018, 12:06:41 pm
And did anyone see the piece on Fox pregame on Zach Miller? It was amazing. I would pull for him to get a shot to play next year, although I doubt he does, but man am I pulling for that guy.
Post by: stelz on December 23, 2018, 12:25:40 pm
Pace had an A++ offseason, the Bears suddenly have one of the top coaching staffs in the league. Every FA he has brought in has made impacts, an excellent draft....add Mack, and here we are looking at a team NOBODY wants to play.
If the Bears lose their playoff game at home...that would suck, but they won’t. And in the subsequent games, this team will fight to the end.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 23, 2018, 03:25:33 pm
Post by: VJ on December 23, 2018, 08:05:51 pm
Post by: wmljohn on December 24, 2018, 07:18:05 am
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And did anyone see the piece on Fox pregame on Zach Miller? It was amazing. I would pull for him to get a shot to play next year, although I doubt he does, but man am I pulling for that guy.
I saw it. It was awesome. all the scars... I also saw him on the sidelines. I am going to guess that next year he is a hired coach/player. I believe his future is coaching but he gets in on a few plays just to complete the comeback. That dude has heart.
Post by: davep on December 24, 2018, 09:23:50 am
I was thinking today about how next season is not guaranteed. Look at the Jags last year. Everyone thought they would come back even better this year. Nope, they stink. We gotta try to win it this year!!
I don't think that anyone on this board has indicated that the Bears should not try to win this year. Why in the world would anyone think that they shouldn't try to win? However, if they try, and lose, it is hardly a disaster.
You are right. Next year is never guaranteed to any team. Or to any person. However, the future always has probabilities. and based upon the information available to us today, the Bears are more likely to be better a year from now than they are to be worse.
I am 76 years old. I am much more likely to be dead by this time next year than someone who is 26 years old. But that shouldn't cause either of us to stop enjoying ourselves THIS year, nor should it cause either of us to stop preparing for NEXT year.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 24, 2018, 10:41:32 am
Post by: davep on December 24, 2018, 11:10:17 am
Post by: chifaninva on December 24, 2018, 11:56:16 am
Hopefully next season you will be 77 and we will be having a very similar discussion.. Merry Christmas... and Go Bears..
Post by: guest118 on December 24, 2018, 12:11:59 pm
Post by: Sportster on December 24, 2018, 01:01:39 pm
Post by: guest118 on December 24, 2018, 01:27:20 pm
I think we ALL need to remember this is a learning curve for Nagy as well. I really believe Nagy and Reich are feeding Trubisky the right information to get better.
Post by: JeffH on December 24, 2018, 01:44:44 pm
...Reich...
Helfrich.
Post by: boogie on December 24, 2018, 03:05:34 pm
Head coach Matt Nagy was asked on Monday about whether Long will be activated from injured reserve in time to face the Vikings in Week 17.
“I like to use this word and I do believe in it — ‘cautiously optimistic,'” Nagy said, via the Chicago Sun-Times. “I think that he’s doing a good job right now. He feels good. It would be nice to get him out there.”
The Bears can move up to the No. 2 seed with a win and a Rams loss on Sunday, so they’ll likely keep an eye on the scoreboard to see how L.A. is faring against the 49ers. Should getting the bye move out of reach, giving Long some playing time to see if he could help in the postseason would likely be in the cards.
Post by: stelz on December 24, 2018, 06:05:17 pm
Unless the 49ers beat the Rams in LA, the Bears would play the Eagles if they beat the Vikings. If they lose to the Vikings, then they’ll have to play the Vikings again.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 24, 2018, 06:36:44 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 24, 2018, 09:55:14 pm
Post by: Pekin on December 24, 2018, 10:49:21 pm
Best case scenario right there is getting the bye and play at home.
After that I don't care just win baby! Because after the Viking game it is win or go home.
Post by: dallasbear on December 25, 2018, 12:13:38 am
Once the playoffs begin any team can beat any other team any where. Past records are meaningless.
It will be interesting how Nagy handles the Viking game. You don't want to show too much, you want to avoid injuring starters but you also don't want to lose any momentum going into the playoffs and there's also the possibility of a Rams loss...though very remote.
Post by: Sportster on December 25, 2018, 07:46:22 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 25, 2018, 07:54:18 am
Hopefully next season you will be 77 and we will be having a very similar discussion.. Merry Christmas... and Go Bears..
And hopefully you will be cheering on the Bears for the two peat!
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 25, 2018, 07:56:31 am
Post by: WshflThinking on December 25, 2018, 08:46:01 am
Post by: guest118 on December 25, 2018, 11:49:27 am
Mack had another monster game on Sunday, posting five tackles, 3 QB hits, and 1 tackle for a loss.
He puts pressure on he QB every play.
I am sure most watching noticed this - but as in all the other games Mullens had to get rid of he ball in 2 seconds or less. They never tried to throw down field. They 49ers could not stretch the D.
Post by: Pekin on December 28, 2018, 01:57:17 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 29, 2018, 09:23:42 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/28/chicago-bears-nfl-draft-free-agency-bobby-massie-ryan-pace-offensive-line/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
I cant say what to do. The point has been brought up that at 6 mil and age he is about out of raises. If he wants to stay and is willing to accept an extension we probably should do that while drafting his eventual successor. Talk is cheap when someone is waving money in your face. We'll see what Massie does come March. Money talks.
Post by: guest118 on December 29, 2018, 11:24:01 am
Post by: boogie on December 29, 2018, 01:56:11 pm
Bears guard Kyle Long is being activated from injured reserve, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports.
Long has been out since October with a foot injury, but Bears coach Matt Nagy said this week he was cautiously optimistic that Long would be able to go against the Vikings on Sunday.
When healthy Long is one of the best guards in the NFL. He has had trouble staying healthy, missing eight games so far this year, six games last year and eight games the year before. But if Long is 100 percent for the Bears in the playoffs, that’s a significant improvement to their offense.
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2018, 05:55:01 pm
Post by: davebear on December 29, 2018, 08:00:33 pm
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2018, 02:58:16 pm
Post by: octagon on December 30, 2018, 06:55:18 pm
I hope he comes back on a lesser deal. He's still a starter, but you can't trust him to stay healthy at the money he's due for next year.
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 30, 2018, 06:55:48 pm
Post by: JeffH on December 30, 2018, 07:22:00 pm
Post by: dallasbear on December 30, 2018, 09:17:00 pm
Yes, Long has had some injuries in recent years but he's pro bowl talent when healthy...and he just turned 30 which isn't that old for a lineman. His brother is still playing at 33 and his dad played into his 30s too. He looked good out there in the first half. Hopefully, they just rested him for the 2nd.
I'd keep Long at guard. I like our current offensive line and hope we re-sign Massie but if the Bears can't they might want to see during training camp how Long can hold up against Mack and Floyd.
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2018, 10:53:45 pm
Long played the entire 1st half and was great.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 31, 2018, 07:39:07 am
Next year, I think will be a good year to see the best of Long and Robinson - who is also coming off a major surgery from the season prior. I think next year will be better for both.
Post by: Dave23 on December 31, 2018, 09:11:14 am
The Bears’ leap of faith in Massie paid off in a big way for 2018, but the big man doesn’t want this to be the last ride: “I’m a Bear. Grizzly as hell,” Massie told Mullin. “I am a Bear through and through.”
https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2018/12/28/bobby-massie-is-grizzly-as-hell-and-wants-to-return-to-the-bears-in-2019/
Post by: guest118 on December 31, 2018, 11:39:12 am
They sat Long in the second half - he wasn't in full game shape. He's All-Pro when healthy
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2018, 11:52:49 am
Post by: guest118 on December 31, 2018, 12:38:09 pm
1. Does Eddie Jackson play?
2. How bad is Taylor Gabriels injury?
3. Does Robison play?
4. How bad is Miller's injury - I am guessing he is out. I am sure he will need surgery at the end of the year.
One other game take away....our 2nd string D looked pretty good at the end of the game. We have really solid back ups on D - Tolliver, Nichols, Irving, Kiokowski, etc.
Post by: davebear on December 31, 2018, 01:02:25 pm
jackson will be on week 3 of a 4 week injury. ( i heard an Olin Kreutz interview and he said ankle sprains are almost always a 4 week injury)
Also Robertson -Harris was on the turf hurt and later they showed a sideline shot and another player walked up to him and Harris pointed at his shoulder.
Yeah the second stringers were hungry to play. I really expected them to give up a TD but the first stringers had broken the Vikings will.
Post by: guest118 on December 31, 2018, 02:01:52 pm
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2018, 03:15:07 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2018, 03:37:23 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 01, 2019, 08:34:04 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2019, 10:11:44 am
Yes. More Wims less White please....
Why would you say that? White had a tough 22 yard 3rd down catch. They also threw to him on a couple deep sideline patterns that went incomplete.
Wims had some nice 3rd down receptions - overall 4 for 32 yards.
Bears may need both depending on the injury situation with Miller, Gabriel and Robinson.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2019, 10:50:37 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2019, 11:27:55 am
It just amazes me that someone would say lets see less of White.
Bears have had plenty of opportunities to work in the backup receivers during the season but Nagy hasn't. Now here we are in the playoffs and all 3 of our starting WRs are banged up.
Post by: guest118 on January 02, 2019, 11:34:43 am
I don't know about Miller, but Robinson and Gabriel will play.
I would also like to see more passes to Cohen.
They said Howard had such a good game against the Vikings because of Long. It was through Long's created hole that Howard had his longest run of the season.
I hope Eddie Jackson plays.
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2019, 12:04:32 pm
Then why hasn't Wimms caught a pass in the previous 15 games? Guess he did't practice well either.
It's tough managing a 46 man play day roster but WR is the easiest position on offense to rotate players in and out. Bellamy has done well as the 4th receiver plus he plays special teams. That is probably the biggest factor in White and Wimms not getting dressed on Sunday. My guess is if Miller is out Sunday that they dress Wims. He's more of a possession receiver with good hands which would be a better fit for the slot.
As for Howard, he's been running the ball well over the past 4 or 5 games. I don't know what's changed...but its not just because of Long who only played a half Sunday.
Deon Bush has played well the last couple of games but they'll need Jackson back at full strength to content with the receiver firepower that the Eagles bring: Jeffrey, Ertz, Agholor and Golden Tate.
Post by: navigator on January 02, 2019, 12:16:39 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2019, 03:03:17 pm
As long as the defense is not penetrating the back can wait out for a hole to develop. But if there's no hole Howard doesn't have the speed to bounce it too far outside and often times has to just lower his head and charge into a mass of bodies hoping to get a yard.
But lately there seems to be more holes opening up than we saw earlier in the season. Maybe he is hesitating just a count before charging straight ahead.
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2019, 03:07:42 pm
Bears have won 9 out of last 10 (and 4 in a row). Their only loss - away at Giants. Trubisky did not play.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2019, 04:03:59 pm
Aww, poor baby, what are you gonna do when White isnt a Bear next year ?
Post by: dallasbear on January 02, 2019, 04:54:58 pm
The guy has played in a handful of games and only made 4 catches on the year. Not sure we could see much less of him this year.
As for next year, I hope he catches on with a team, stays healthy and has a successful career.
I think he has talent to play. But you don't know anything about recognizing talent - didn't you want the Bears to get rid of Kyle Fuller (pro bowl) and Leonard Floyd (pro bowl alternate)?
Post by: chifaninva on January 02, 2019, 07:38:46 pm
As far as White, he'll be gone next season. I doubt seriously the Bears give him any chance... Unless... He pulls some rabbits out of his catching arsenal during the playoffs, which would suit me just fine..
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 02, 2019, 08:37:09 pm
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Post by: stelz on January 02, 2019, 09:21:03 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 03, 2019, 05:27:06 am
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 03, 2019, 07:00:02 am
That said, I still don't think this team knows how good they are yet and have still much unrealized potential. I hope to see it realized by winning the SB at least once in the next few years while their window remains open (they sure kicked the whole wall down opening that window this year for sure)....
New season. Win and go on or lose and go home.
Go Bears !
Post by: davep on January 03, 2019, 08:51:55 am
And don't look now, but I think Nagy just put a change in the league that will resonate. An athletic offensive lineman that may not be good enough to hold a line position down as a first stringer, but one that can be a powerful blocking weapon in the backfield. I love it. It is so obvious, but not one did it with the same consistency we just witnessed unless I am missing something?
It is something that goes in and out of favor over the years. The first one that I remember was a Bears defensive tackle by the name of Roger Stillwell. He was a first round choice that played as s starter for a few years, but never at a particularly high level. However, the coacy in the middle 70s (Pardee - I don't really remember) would use Stillwell as a blocking back on goal line plays, and occasionally third-and-short in other parts of the field. I remember one play that was perhaps was unique enough that would probably make the highlight reels today, if a copy of it still existed. Stillwell weighed about 280 pounds, which was a giant in those days (Fridge came a few years later, and revolutionized the type of defensive linemen we have today) and the typical defensive back was large at 180 or so. On one play, you could see the defensive back come charging into a hole in the line, and Stillwell hit him with a full head of steam, and the back bounced more than 10 yards backwards. It was just like a rubber ball bouncing off of a cement wall.
A while later, Dikta added the concept of the giant blocking back actually running the ball, when Fridge was given the ball both in a few running plays, and at least one pass that I remember. I don't know why it is not used on a more consistent basis. Perhaps because of tradition, or perhaps because it doesn't work consistently if it isn't a surprise to the defense.
Post by: navigator on January 03, 2019, 09:41:06 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 03, 2019, 10:02:07 am
davep
I remember Stillwell playing DE when I was a kid (he was a late round pick out of Stanford and played opposite Hartenstein during the Payton years) but I certainly don't remember him playing offense - you have quite the memory!
As for Tate, I'm not sure if he's their slot receiver or if it's Agholor but one of them will be matched up with McManis. McManis has done well so far but will get a serious test.
Post by: davebear on January 03, 2019, 10:09:49 am
I met him in the early 80s.
Post by: guest118 on January 03, 2019, 11:13:16 am
Article on Alshon Jeffery complaining about how bad turf is a Solider Field. I hope that's in his head. the guy who takes games off.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 03, 2019, 01:38:30 pm
Post by: guest118 on January 03, 2019, 02:46:03 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 03, 2019, 03:18:37 pm
I'm not talking about scrambles which is what the spy is supposed to cover. (The Eagles would be wise to do the same). I'm talking when Trubisky fakes a hand off and takes off.
They wisely didn't try any of those against the Vikes (why risk Trubisky in a game that really doesn't mean all that much). But I wouldn't be surprised if they don't call Trubisky's number 2 or 3 times on run plays.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 04, 2019, 06:13:48 am
Post by: boogie on January 04, 2019, 08:09:53 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2019, 09:28:50 am
Post by: wmljohn on January 04, 2019, 11:49:26 am
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But you don't know anything about recognizing talent - didn't you want the Bears to get rid of Kyle Fuller (pro bowl) and Leonard Floyd (pro bowl alternate)?
Ouch...
Post by: Pekin on January 04, 2019, 02:30:16 pm
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2019, 03:28:39 pm
Tough Odds
Since the Wild Card System began in 1970, only ten wild card teams have advanced all the way to the Super Bowl. Of those, six won the Super Bowl. Only four of those wild card teams -- New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers, New York Giants, and Green Bay Packers -- won three games on the road to make it to the Super Bowl.
Post by: chifaninva on January 04, 2019, 05:36:32 pm
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Post by: davebear on January 04, 2019, 06:08:01 pm
Pace's 2017 4th and 5th round picks are in the pro bowl.
Trubisky is the wildcard. We've all seen his tendency to get too excited and overthrow.
Hard to predict how he will perform.
At least he has improved a lot since the early season.
Post by: VJ on January 05, 2019, 01:56:09 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2019, 12:23:56 am
Yeah it's great to enjoy watching games again.
Pace's 2017 4th and 5th round picks are in the pro bowl.
Trubisky is the wildcard. We've all seen his tendency to get too excited and overthrow.
Hard to predict how he will perform.
At least he has improved a lot since the early season.
I think since the Rams game Nagy is controlling what Trubisky does and doesn't throw. He's not just limiting him to short stuff but the deep balls are all along the sideline. Not a whole lot intermediate in the middle of the field where the chance of overthrow could result in a pick. Nagy figures if he can eliminate Trubisky picks the Bears defense won't have to deal with too many short fields.
Also, another huge factor that I've mentioned before is Trubisky runs. If you watched the Cowboy/Seahawks you saw the extra dimension a running QB adds on predetermined running plays. Could be the difference Sunday.
Also, not many of talked about the added dimension that Darren Sproles provides. He was Tarik Cohen before Tarik Cohen was Tarik Cohen.
Post by: guest118 on January 06, 2019, 11:32:24 am
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4708927/meet-the-construction-exec-who-helped-matt-nagy-chase-his-nfl-dream
He actually played a lot of quarterback.
Post by: BearHit on January 09, 2019, 11:25:14 am
https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/01/09/breaking-broncos-hire-bears-dc-vic-fangio-as-new-head-coach/
Post by: boogie on January 09, 2019, 12:02:26 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2019, 12:18:42 pm
In Chicago, Donatel would be running the show and will have a pretty darn good defense to stair step him to a HC job in the future.
Now, that being said I have no idea that the Bears would want to give him the job.
Post by: chifaninva on January 09, 2019, 12:51:08 pm
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Post by: Dave23 on January 09, 2019, 01:06:46 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2019, 01:12:22 pm
And guess what team we get to play next year? (Hint: Mile High Stadium)
Post by: dallasbear on January 09, 2019, 01:17:46 pm
And we get to play all the potential NFC (and some AFC) playoff teams we could have faced this post season: Eagles, Rams, Saints, and Chiefs and Chargers - a high probability one of those will be the SB champs.
And besides the Raiders I guess our easy games are going to be within the division. Next year is when we want the Raiders to lose badly so we get their high 2nd rounder (and they get our 1st which hopefully will be 32nd).
Post by: boogie on January 09, 2019, 01:55:52 pm
The fit makes sense given Bowles’ history with Arians and availability for a job after being fired by the Jets at the end of the regular season, but a report on Wednesday indicates that things may play out differently.
Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that nothing has been finalized in Tampa and that Bowles could wind up as the choice to replace Vic Fangio at defensive coordinator with the Bears. Fangio is set to become the next head coach of the Broncos.
Biggs reports that Bowles and Bears head coach Matt Nagy, whose father coached Bowles in high school, have “spoken multiple times” about Bowles coming to Chicago. The two men were also on the same Eagles staff in 2012.
Post by: boogie on January 09, 2019, 02:32:29 pm
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Post by: wmljohn on January 10, 2019, 05:43:49 am
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this is absolutely devastating to this team...
Yep. They will be lucky to win 4 games next year.
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Post by: boogie on January 10, 2019, 09:13:53 am
Post by: method on January 10, 2019, 09:45:28 am
We will have a tougher schedule next year.
Post by: Dave23 on January 10, 2019, 10:16:31 am
Willis leaving would be like Mack retiring from the Bears...
Post by: dallasbear on January 10, 2019, 11:01:57 am
2017 was a top 10 year for the defense. But recall 2016 when Fangio was DC but no Fuller and we didn't have Amukamora. Instead we had DBs like Tracy Porter, Harold Jones-Quartey, and Chris Prosinski. 8 picks for the year.
It's not all about Fangio.
Post by: chifaninva on January 10, 2019, 01:09:43 pm
Statistically the Bears improved when Buddy Ryan left. Just saying.Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Ryan's D was much more fierce than Tobin's "read and react". Bears weren't the same team after Ryan left..
Post by: 46 on January 10, 2019, 03:23:57 pm
going to stop all of them, and when you miss that one, SOMEBODY gets blown up. Kudos last year for the training staff, a lot of people healthy, keep up the outstanding work. So, who's
gonna be the DC? Off the subject, I think the Packers kinda sorta went off the rails for the HC. Or rather the guy called the HC. Everyone know Rodgers runs that show now. We'll see how
that works.
Post by: dallasbear on January 10, 2019, 04:54:17 pm
Recall Leslie Frazier retired after the Super Bowl (injury) and Wilber Marshall went off to the Redskins in free agency.
Not the same team.
Post by: chifaninva on January 10, 2019, 07:17:03 pm
Post by: davep on January 10, 2019, 09:45:25 pm
Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Ryan's D was much more fierce than Tobin's "read and react". Bears weren't the same team after Ryan left..
Absolutely. The defense was still good, but it did not strike fear into the hearts of the opposition the way it did under Ryan.
Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2019, 11:14:11 pm
Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2019, 11:25:00 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-defensive-coordinator-ed-donatell-chuck-pagano-20190110-story.html
Post by: dallasbear on January 11, 2019, 11:14:12 am
I may be overestimating how important Fangio was but I think some of you may be underestimating his importance. He was lauded as the best for a reason. His defenses routinely were top 10, top 5 even. It's more than just a collection of talent. You need to organize that talent in a cohesive, effective attack. Going to be interesting to see who they eventually pick, but I seriously doubt he'll have near the credentials Fangio had. How do we go from a top defensive coord to any other one without a dropoff is what I want to know...
We can all lament about Fangio leaving and the Bears defense not being as good as last year. Fangio benefited (as did the Bears team) from quite possibly the league's easiest schedule, avoiding injuries (with the exception of Mack in midseason, and Calahan and Jackson at the end), and the addition of Khalil Mack.
How do the Bears avoid a drop off? Re-sign Calahan. Re-sign Amos or find a quality substitute to compete with Deon Bush for the SS job. They need a #3 OLB. Either re-sign Lynch for another year or hope that Irving or Fitts develop. Sign a bunch of corners and hope a couple can provide competition for Toliver - can't expect #23 and #20 to be injury free for most the season.
Don't expect much from the draft as most if not all of our draft (#3, #4 and #5 picks) probably need to go to the other side of the ball.
Finally, improve the offense. The other team can't score if the Bears have the ball (well except for one play last year). Bears were 21st offense in the NFL - lots of room for improvement in taking pressure off the defense.
Post by: chifaninva on January 11, 2019, 12:13:25 pm
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Post by: dallasbear on January 11, 2019, 01:46:47 pm
Nagy called the plays for a playoff team last year (Chiefs).
Post by: Sportster on January 11, 2019, 04:07:33 pm
Post by: davebear on January 11, 2019, 04:23:05 pm
Smith was killing it and Urlacher kept looking over to the sidelines pleading for adjustments and Rivera was too stubborn to react.
Post by: guest118 on January 11, 2019, 05:37:46 pm
Post by: chifaninva on January 11, 2019, 05:56:47 pm
Post by: davep on January 11, 2019, 06:08:06 pm
Post by: chifaninva on January 11, 2019, 06:14:15 pm
Success as a defensive coordinator does not necessarily result in equal success as a head coach. The best defensive coordinator I have EVER seen, Buddy Ryan, was proof of that.
Agree!
Post by: davebear on January 11, 2019, 06:20:24 pm
Most of the drama never reaches the media.
I wouldn't expect Fangio to have any stomach to deal with that stuff but he has wanted the job for years.
Post by: dallasbear on January 11, 2019, 06:22:09 pm
Post by: octagon on January 11, 2019, 07:32:38 pm
Fangio's defense was great this year, but I thought he was passive far too much. I get letting your talent make plays, but I think he played it safe far too often.
Post by: davebear on January 11, 2019, 07:47:13 pm
Post by: octagon on January 11, 2019, 08:27:46 pm
Brief overview of Pagano's career. I'm pumped, if he enjoys the same low level of injuries, might even be an upgrade.
Post by: Sportster on January 11, 2019, 10:49:38 pm
Here's the schedule for next season and they didn't give the Bears any breaks for sure. It's a first place schedule and it's brutal!
Here’s the Bears’ complete home and away breakdown:
HOME:
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Kansas City Chiefs
Los Angeles Chargers
New Orleans Saints
AWAY:
Washington Redskins
Oakland Raiders
Philadelphia Eagles
Minnesota Vikings
Denver Broncos
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Los Angeles Rams
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 12, 2019, 06:17:10 am
We have to improve our run game... Seems to me that Howard and Cohen are adequate runners. It looked as if we were improving as the season went on but they weren't consistent.. One other big factor that we tend to forget, our head coach is/was a rookie.. Play calling at times was suspect...
I have been saying that also about Nagy. First year for Mitch in the new system. First year for the entire offensive skill players (except Bellamy_ in the new system. First year for Nagy to assume full time play callng. First year for Nagy to assume the responsibilities of a head coach. Nagy called a very conservative first half, relying on the defense and not trusting Mitch. In a sense, he was not following his "Be you" mantra. When this wasn't effective and the defense was treading water, he decided to start easing the reins on Mitch. Horizontal pass plays, were replaced with vertical ones. Started focusing on the mismatch receivers had against the poor secondary. He didn't want Mitch to be the Ram game Mitch. I understand the need to ease him in. First playoff game, home crowd, stout defense, etc. But that probably should have lasted a couple of series before the handcuffs were removed.
The defense has shown great resilience through the season. The Cardinal game, the Rams game are two examples where Mitch didn't have it and the defense hung in there - heck the dictated that game. I just hope that Nagy continues to be himself and to free Mitch to play. You have the defense that can cover for mistakes, don't coach so tight in a big situation.
Post by: wmljohn on January 12, 2019, 09:02:52 am
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Here's the schedule for next season and they didn't give the Bears any breaks for sure. It's a first place schedule and it's brutal!
For the life of me I still don't know why people think that schedules are primarily based on how the team did the previous year... The schedules are projected out years in advance.
https://fbschedules.com/nfl/chicago-bears/
There are only two games per year that are determined by what place you finish in your division the first year. Here is the catch... Yes we have to play two teams from other divisions that finished first in their respective divisions next year when the other teams in our division play the non first place teams but the catch is those teams in our division have to play us twice (1st place team 2X) which balances it out. If you compare GBs schedule for next year do they have to play more or less teams that finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th place? They and every team in the NFL will play the same numbers of games against 1st place teams that everyone else does.
One can argue that one first place team does not equal another first place team and you would be right. However when you catch that team does not depend nor in any way is it dictated by the way you finish the previous year. As you can see in the link they are projected out years in advance.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2019, 09:31:42 am
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Every team will play:
4 first place teams
4 second place teams
4 third place teams
4 4th place teams
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Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2019, 02:43:19 pm
Screw the schedule. Success is determined by your team not by the teams you play. And I agree if you can't consistently beat the good teams most of the time then you aren't a good team. Stay healthy - make the playoffs.
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2019, 02:43:52 pm
I see Kubiak isn't going to Denver to run the offense..
Philosophical differences.
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Post by: Pekin on January 12, 2019, 11:02:06 pm
Body locks up when it is scared. For **** sake grow a pair ****!
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2019, 11:50:22 pm
I would trade him he is a head case. If you can't trade him then use him as best you can until you can cut him and save money. He is a decent player but not great. Certainly not worth hurting your locker room by making special rules for him. It is obvious he plays when he wants to play.
Body locks up when it is scared. For **** sake grow a pair ****!
Don't know what really happened. Never heard of a psychosomatic groin injury. Not only won't you get much in a trade you have to find a better player to replace him with? Shaheen? Not a downfield threat from what I've seen. Braunecker? Brown? Special team backup types. Or do you think you can find a starter with a 3rd, 4th or 5th rounder?
Post by: Pekin on January 13, 2019, 12:01:26 am
He isn't all that anyway. He is a poor man's Greg Olsen and we were all ready to get rid of him for going down on the first hit. This guys goes down before being hit.
Plus he is a head case.
Post by: boogie on January 13, 2019, 07:32:31 am
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Post by: dallasbear on January 13, 2019, 03:58:33 pm
A lot of macho spouting but what about the salary cap hit? Who takes his place? Who starts 16 games and makes 54 catches with 6 TDs?
Or maybe we re-sign Dion Sims?
If he's got a mental issue, like a physical injury, he needs to get treated.
And have you guys seen what Greg Olsen has done since he left the Bears? Are you kidding me?
Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2019, 09:59:15 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/12/changes-chicago-bears-defense-chuck-pagano-colts-vic-fangio/
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2019, 10:24:18 am
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2019, 10:32:17 am
1. No one has really mentioned the Miller CATCH - it was a CATCH and knocked loose on the run. The ball should have been marked at the 5ish. IT WAS A CATCH!!!! and then fumble. WTF. Then the NFL cam up with some BS response. I WAS A CATCH - they took it away from Miller.
2. prevent defense prevents you from winning. Rushing 3 and 4 = loss. I think Vic Fangio choked a little bit on that last series against the Eagles. No pressure.
3. Nagy was way too conservative on O. What happened? Was he afraid of Mitch losing the game? Was he relying
4. Trubisky has to get better.
5. WHY didn't they throw MORE to Robinson? I know he had 10 catches - but the Eagles couldn't cover him - period, end of story.
Post by: 46 on January 14, 2019, 11:40:30 am
the ball. I think Mitch will just get better and better. Get a couple of KICKERS!
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2019, 11:52:54 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 14, 2019, 12:20:12 pm
Now that I have had time to digest the playoff game:
1. No one has really mentioned the Miller CATCH - it was a CATCH and knocked loose on the run. The ball should have been marked at the 5ish. IT WAS A CATCH!!!! and then fumble. WTF. Then the NFL cam up with some BS response. I WAS A CATCH - they took it away from Miller.
2. prevent defense prevents you from winning. Rushing 3 and 4 = loss. I think Vic Fangio choked a little bit on that last series against the Eagles. No pressure.
3. Nagy was way too conservative on O. What happened? Was he afraid of Mitch losing the game? Was he relying
4. Trubisky has to get better.
5. WHY didn't they throw MORE to Robinson? I know he had 10 catches - but the Eagles couldn't cover him - period, end of story.
1. Yes - its been discussed. It was a catch but the ref picked up the ball after he signaled incomplete. Should have reverted to last play (a catch) rather than to a no play. Great play by the ex-Bear LeBlanc.
2. I hate it when Fangio would rush 3 guys - it usually means the QB just sits back there forever. But against Philly Fangio was frequently blitzing the linebackers and I recall McManis blitzing too.
3. Yes, ever since the Rams game Mitch has been limited to working the short middle and long passes along the sideline only.
4. Yes, so does everybody going from their 2nd year to 3rd.
5. Bears were setting up Avonte Maddox in the first half with outs and then burned him in the 2nd half. Robinson had 13 targets in the game...caught 10. I'm surprised he had that many. The loss of Burton prevented Trubisky from spreading it around more.
Post by: VJ on January 14, 2019, 01:16:25 pm
So would [Ed] Reed, who was an assistant defensive backs coach with the Bills in 2016. Prior to accepting his job with the Bears, Pagano was set to be the head coach of the American Team in the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl this week, and Reed was supposed to be his defensive coordinator. Reed said he would welcome an offer from the Bears.
“I’m a huge fan of Eddie Jackson’s,” Reed said. “He was my guy this year. (Kyle) Fuller over there, Khalil Mack. That was my favorite defense. I thought they’d still be trucking along right now. I love Chicago. I have some family out there and some Miami alumni I’m close with. There is a connection there.”
There undoubtedly is a long line of associates who would embrace the chance to work with Pagano again.
Post by: octagon on January 14, 2019, 08:02:44 pm
-They were not happy with Parkey going on the today show. Sounds like a given that they'll eat the cap hit and move on.
-a reporter asked about Kareem Hunt. Nagy/Pace sounded rather interested in giving him another shot.
-leonard Floyd's 5th year option will be picked up
Post by: Sportster on January 15, 2019, 01:43:15 am
The point in all this with Pagano is we had arguably the leagues best D this season. When we're already at the pinnacle, it's a long shot to get better IMO. It's possible, not probable. They played some of the best D I've seen out of the Bears in a LONG time. So I'm hesistant with Pagano. How can he possibly make the best better? I think where the opportunity to improve is is on offense and with the possibility of acquiring Hunt, that would help a lot as would another year of experience for Tru. The kicking must improve without a doubt. If we improve at RB, kicker and TE, we could push further into the post season....
Post by: dallasbear on January 15, 2019, 09:26:07 am
Saw that on Hunt. Yes or no on him? He would instantly improve the run game.
The point in all this with Pagano is we had arguably the leagues best D this season. When we're already at the pinnacle, it's a long shot to get better IMO. It's possible, not probable. They played some of the best D I've seen out of the Bears in a LONG time. So I'm hesistant with Pagano. How can he possibly make the best better? I think where the opportunity to improve is is on offense and with the possibility of acquiring Hunt, that would help a lot as would another year of experience for Tru. The kicking must improve without a doubt. If we improve at RB, kicker and TE, we could push further into the post season....
The same question could be directed to Fangio. How could he make the defense better next year? As I said before the Bears have to get better offensively - they can stay the same or slightly regress defensively.
Many have mentioned upgrading HB and TE, but a position I'd like to see improvement is at WR. Bellamy was a reliable #4 (remember all those key drops a few years back) but I'd like to see a new #4. I think Wims could be that guy. I like Gabriel but his catch radius is so small. 67 catches only 2 TDs - not a red zone threat either.
As for Hunt. I read that Nagy had a talk with him recently focusing more on his personal issues rather than opportunities with the Bears (or so he said). If Hunt returns he's going to get some sort of discipline handed out by the NFL. This is a PR nightmare for any NFL team to take on and rarely work out in the players favor in the long term.
Post by: davebear on January 15, 2019, 10:01:00 am
That's often the "thanks but no thanks" in the NFL.
Post by: dallasbear on January 15, 2019, 10:28:35 am
I wouldn't say there is isn't ANY interest...but I think the Bears are treading slowly.
Hunt himself was a 3rd round pick so that might be an option in April....along with OT, CB, S, TE, WR and OLB.
Post by: guest118 on January 15, 2019, 10:58:47 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2019, 11:33:39 am
Post by: VJ on January 15, 2019, 11:51:20 am
When asked about Jordan Howard, he was never mentioned in the middle of Nagy saying all the generic stuff about improving the running game overall.
When asked about Hunt, Nagy talked about the man he knew on the field and even volunteered that he called him to see how he was doing.
The Bears are dipping their toes and seeing how the media would react. Nagy is definitely interested. Pace is keeping the options open depending on the cases pending and remembering being burned by Ray McDonald. But at the end I would be shocked if Virginia and George allow it.
Post by: davebear on January 15, 2019, 12:06:14 pm
The Bears organization doesn't need a guy like that.
Post by: guest118 on January 15, 2019, 01:37:44 pm
Post by: davebear on January 15, 2019, 01:46:52 pm
Nagy will probably make those calls more often as Cohen is a mismatch for many safeties.
Post by: dallasbear on January 15, 2019, 02:19:30 pm
The Eagles were able to take Cohen out. I'd bet the reason they could do that is they didn't fear our TE with Burton out.
Cohen works best when a linebacker or strong safety is matched up with him.
Post by: VJ on January 16, 2019, 04:14:20 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 16, 2019, 08:23:21 am
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 16, 2019, 11:01:07 am
The Eagles were able to take Cohen out. I'd bet the reason they could do that is they didn't fear our TE with Burton out.
Cohen works best when a linebacker or strong safety is matched up with him.
How? I wish I had recorded the game, because I have heard Nagy and other fans say the same thing. I still think you can find a way to get Cohen more than 4 touches - at the expense of Mizzell.
Post by: dallasbear on January 16, 2019, 11:11:59 am
I think Callahan and Massie are priorities. I like Amos too (PFF had him rated 8th in the NFL at his positions) and he's still got a lot of football ahead of him. I've seen his potential backup Deon Bush play. Physical tackler but I'm not sure how good he is in coverage.
Acho might be able to sneak in if Lynch leaves but he's older and he's got 2 youngsters looking for more time (Irving and Fitts). He's more of a 4-3 SLB guy. Maybe a vet minimum deal.
You wonder how a team like the Vikings that has all those high picks on defense plus a big dollar FA QB fits under the cap. Maybe they'll be making some big cuts this year too.
Post by: dallasbear on January 16, 2019, 11:22:16 am
How? I wish I had recorded the game, because I have heard Nagy and other fans say the same thing. I still think you can find a way to get Cohen more than 4 touches - at the expense of Mizzell.
Unless you see the whole field its hard to see how the defense matches up with our receivers. But I'm with you on Mizzell. I watched the first half last night. Mizzell had 3 plays. First play, did not pick the right hole and stopped for 3 yard loss. Dropped a 4 yard pass that would have kept a drive alive that ended up in a punt. On a punt downed a ball at the 7 and could have let it bounce a little more closer to the goal line. Not sure why he's in there. Put in Cunningham if you don't want to play Cohen.
Another observation. In the 2nd quarter, Trubisky is on about the 30 and scrambles out of the pocked running toward the LOS. No one around him. He fires the ball into the end zone and the Eagle safety drops a sure pick. Off to the right near the pilon is Robinson standing there all alone. Trubisky's improvement next year has to be in improving his ability to see the whole field and not focus on half of it.
Post by: chifaninva on January 16, 2019, 11:23:35 am
I still think you can find a way to get Cohen more than 4 touches - at the expense of Mizzell.
We're in a dog fight and we're handing off to Mizell.. Why?
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2019, 11:32:24 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 16, 2019, 11:41:49 am
Decoy. The defense thinks - this guy is so bad the Bears will never give him the ball. That being said, he did average about 10 yards a catch and a TD this season (8 catches), but only 1.8 y/c on his 9 rushes.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bears draft/sign a guy to replace him and possibly Cunningham too since the Bears believe Mizzell is better than him.
Post by: guest118 on January 16, 2019, 12:54:18 pm
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 16, 2019, 06:14:17 pm
Everyone loves Long but I would cut him UNLESS he agreed to a pay cut. Sims and Acho are no brainers.
We need to draft a couple of G in draft. you can get solid G in 3rd and 4th round.
Post by: Sportster on January 17, 2019, 12:18:05 am
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 17, 2019, 05:54:57 am
Gould will be sought after by the 9ers, so no way he signs a one year deal. Who are the best kickers in the draft and do we take a shot at one in the 6th or 7th round? I saw a lot of Blankenshp out of Georgia. The kid with the Harry Caray glasses. He was pretty accurate and decent from a distance. I've heard there is a kicker rated higher - kid out of LSU? I don't recall him. We need to fix that position.
At guard, Long is under contract, and I would love to see Pace to get him signed to a two year extension and tie him up with us for 3 years. Hoping the injuries are behind him. Not sure what the market will be for Massie, but he wants to be back and that's a great sign. Of course, resign Callahan. I think Amos has played his last down with us, unless he signs a one year deal.
And finally, with our kickoff return troubles, why did we never try Kevin White just to see what he has? I see him walking.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2019, 08:14:45 am
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Post by: VJ on January 17, 2019, 09:55:09 am
Post by: davebear on January 17, 2019, 10:00:19 am
We also have to be concerned about depth at corner back. There is UFA Toliver and we don't know what they think of him as well as the guy off the street.
Corner is just too important. It you have DL make a mistake there are several players to back him up. If a corner isn't good a mistake can be a TD.
They will resign most of their FA and probably a couple of inexpensive A to fill holes.
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2019, 01:13:23 pm
Was thinking the same thing about Cunningham. I think we release Mizzell and Cunningham, keep Howard. Then we either draft a running back or sign a FA to take a spot. Could be the 1 or the 3 spot. Hard to read if the Bears will try and pull the trigger on Hunt... or Bell. But I know one thing. Pace doesn't sit on his hands, he will be doing something.
Gould will be sought after by the 9ers, so no way he signs a one year deal. Who are the best kickers in the draft and do we take a shot at one in the 6th or 7th round? I saw a lot of Blankenshp out of Georgia. The kid with the Harry Caray glasses. He was pretty accurate and decent from a distance. I've heard there is a kicker rated higher - kid out of LSU? I don't recall him. We need to fix that position.
At guard, Long is under contract, and I would love to see Pace to get him signed to a two year extension and tie him up with us for 3 years. Hoping the injuries are behind him. Not sure what the market will be for Massie, but he wants to be back and that's a great sign. Of course, resign Callahan. I think Amos has played his last down with us, unless he signs a one year deal.
And finally, with our kickoff return troubles, why did we never try Kevin White just to see what he has? I see him walking.
Long is signed through 2021.
As for Massie, most free agents will publicly say they want to come back with their original team, especially a playoff team. But in the end it comes down to what it will take to sign Massie or his equivalent replacement. Coward is too raw right now to turn the job over to, but if he has potential there might be the opportunity to sign a quality FA to a one year deal and give Coward another year to develop. Recall he was playing DE prior to last year.
Kevin White was making plans to leave Chicago in October. He was rewarded with that catch against the Pats with weeks on the inactive list. Bears just didn't see it in him in practice - he's moving on and so am I.
Post by: dallasbear on January 17, 2019, 01:20:38 pm
Here's a link with the Bears roster salary and free agent status:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/chicago-bears/
A bunch are FAs in 2019 but many are still under some sort of control by the team in regard to the ability to match an offer (i.e. restricted FAs).
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 18, 2019, 05:00:16 am
Post by: chifaninva on January 18, 2019, 05:36:58 am
Post by: navigator on January 18, 2019, 06:59:26 am
Post by: Dave23 on January 18, 2019, 09:13:10 am
https://theathletic.com/772143/2019/01/17/bears-offseason-ryan-paces-to-do-list-is-shorter-than-usual-and-it-starts-with-his-own-free-agents/?source=dailyemail
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2019, 09:17:32 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/17/bobby-massie-chicago-bears-right-tackle-offseason-needs-pro-football-focus/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: wmljohn on January 18, 2019, 09:33:44 am
DAS RIGHT!
Coach Nagy!
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/matt-nagy-named-head-coach-year-pro-football-writers-america
Post by: dallasbear on January 18, 2019, 09:51:58 am
Lots of good stuff here...
https://theathletic.com/772143/2019/01/17/bears-offseason-ryan-paces-to-do-list-is-shorter-than-usual-and-it-starts-with-his-own-free-agents/?source=dailyemail
...if you are a subscriber.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2019, 09:56:16 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 18, 2019, 10:10:30 am
Bears may have to sign one or more of their own FAs only because there might not be a viable alternative available in draft or free agency.
Also interested in seeing what they do with Roy Robertson-Harris. I hope Pace doesn't think another team isn't going to sign him to a big deal. In 2 years he's gone from 255lb 4-3 DE to a 295lb 3-4 DE/DT. I hope the Bears don't lose him.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2019, 10:59:47 am
Post by: guest118 on January 18, 2019, 11:18:49 am
Who would you rather have Massie or Long? Long will be hurt again.
There is a lot of dead weight to clear more cap space....like Sims.
Post by: dallasbear on January 18, 2019, 11:24:37 am
I don't think they will cut Long - they might restructure his deal.
Here are the top OTs in ranked order that could be available in free agency:
Trent Brown Patriots 26
Daryl Williams Panthers 27
Ja'Waun James Dolphins 27
Donavon Smith Bucs 27
Bobby Massie Bears 30
Post by: Dave23 on January 18, 2019, 12:04:02 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2019, 06:23:59 am
From the Trib
He kept his starters out of the penultimate exhibition game, which most coaches treat as the final tune-up for the regular season. Under Fox and many other coaches around the league, starters played at least the first half and sometimes into the third quarter.
Also, Nagy communicated with veterans during training camp to ensure he didn’t wear players out.
Is it July yet?
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2019, 06:46:37 am
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Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2019, 10:43:24 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 20, 2019, 06:24:49 am
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2019, 08:18:58 am
Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2019, 11:51:33 am
Right now you can get 90 days of access for $1...no strings attached.
Spend a dollar and then decide whether or not it’s worth it.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2019, 07:03:25 pm
Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2019, 07:06:54 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2019, 07:13:19 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/19/chicago-bears-mock-draft-dennis-daley-offensive-tackle-draft-wire/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: dallasbear on January 21, 2019, 12:26:47 am
My guess is that Pace does not re-sign Massie.. Nothing against Massie but Pace targets younger players in free agency.
Post by: boogie on January 21, 2019, 09:05:55 am
Post by: chifaninva on January 21, 2019, 09:06:51 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 21, 2019, 09:39:39 am
I know....but it is a business. And business' gotta grow.
Post by: 46 on January 21, 2019, 09:47:47 am
go to Vegas.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 21, 2019, 11:37:29 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/20/chicago-bears-kareem-hunt-free-agent-running-back-adam-schefter-report/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: Sportster on January 21, 2019, 11:51:00 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-jXtW96h3g
Post by: davebear on January 21, 2019, 11:51:35 am
Maybe...Maybe if he contacts his victim to apologize directly and puts in a lot of time helping other victims to show he really realizes what an evil shtthead he is and genuinly wants to turn his life around.
Just taking anger management classes and saying the right things will just make him another example of what's wrong with pro sports.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 21, 2019, 12:00:21 pm
Post by: boogie on January 21, 2019, 12:04:31 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 21, 2019, 12:06:22 pm
That he does, however I hope the Bears dont wait till Massie is a FA. If he hits FA we know the Bears dont re-sign him. Personally I dont believe they sign anybody other than Hunt.
Post by: guest118 on January 21, 2019, 01:20:04 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 21, 2019, 01:21:48 pm
They are all fine football players, but the only negative on Massie might be his age. Amos is 25 going on 26. Callahan 27 going on 28. Massie is 29 going on 30, which really isn't that old for the position he plays.
Lots of factors going into the decision who stays and who goes. One of which I've mentioned before is how easy can the player be replaced, and give Pace's BPA drafting strategy, not to mention our draft position, I don't think you can count on him targeting a specific position in the draft.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 21, 2019, 01:44:46 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/agcheo/2019_chicago_bears_offseason_calendar/
March 13th FA begins
Post by: dallasbear on January 21, 2019, 04:30:19 pm
If Pace waited this long for a player to reach free agency he's not going to sign him before the "official" free agency period begins.
And why would a player do that? You'd think if he reached the end of a deal and his team didn't offer a new deal he'd wait around to get other team offers.
I'd be surprised if Pace signs Amos, Callahan and/or Massie BEFORE free agency period starts.
As for Hunt...he immediately transforms the Bears offense from 21st to top 10 or top half...easy. But...there will be controversy.
Post by: navigator on January 22, 2019, 04:38:50 am
Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2019, 06:57:48 am
Post by: navigator on January 22, 2019, 01:22:35 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 22, 2019, 02:30:09 pm
Not worried about the locker room or team chemistry. But this could be a public relations nightmare. But I must admit it isn't nearly on the same level as Rice's incident but still pretty bad. He's got some anger issues.
From what I've seen from Cowboys players that have multiple run ins with the law over the years - it's hard for them to change.
Post by: dallasbear on January 22, 2019, 04:10:22 pm
More Bears going to Pro-Bowl. I wonder how Nagy feels about his best players risking injury playing in a meaningless game...less meaningful than a 3rd preseason game and we know what he did then.
I haven't watched it in years and don't plan on it - they need to just end it.
Post by: boogie on January 23, 2019, 08:32:34 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2019, 09:36:02 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/21/2019-senior-bowl-running-back-rankings-chicago-bears-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
We sure do need a RB who fits our offense and we need a RT. I cant believe Bear scouts arent there. Probably coaches too.
Post by: Dave23 on January 23, 2019, 10:51:24 am
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2019, 11:22:36 am
Bears need to find a halfback that is a combination of Howard and Cohen...how hard can that be?
But seriously folks, maybe a back that is somewhere in between. Someone that can catch the ball better than Howard and has a bit more between the tackles size than Cohen.
Problem is we also have to find replacements for Massie, Amos and/or Callahan. Also need backups at WR, TE, CB and OLB.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2019, 12:05:04 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2019, 10:21:06 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/19/full-list-of-underclassmen-eligible-for-2019-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
interesting to me was an OT from Alabama. Pace could hit the jackpot despite not having a 1st or 2nd in the draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 24, 2019, 11:04:02 am
This is the list of underclassmen registering for the NFL draft. Some might find this interesting
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/19/full-list-of-underclassmen-eligible-for-2019-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
interesting to me was an OT from Alabama. Pace could hit the jackpot despite not having a 1st or 2nd in the draft
Pace has done a good job mining the later rounds. Superb, actually
Post by: davebear on January 24, 2019, 12:51:19 pm
Let me ask you this. If we don't draft an OT and Massie leaves we use someone on the roster or sign a free agent. If the level of play drops from Massie Nagy will have to adjust the offense to give extra protection to that side.
Now let's say Amakamura or Fuller goes down next season for 6-8 weeks. You have untested UDFA Tolliver and that guy off the street to replace him.
They can give safety help but for the first 20 yards the corner is on his own. Any decent QB can take big advantage of that and it's going to result in touchdowns.
The way I look at it, if your ROT falls on his arse the QB has to get rid of the ball or take a sack. You're replacement corner misses the play and there's a really high chance of a TD.
I think they HAVE to bring in another corner who can play even if they see promise in Tolliver. That means either a decent FA as a priority of using the third or fourth rounder on a corner.
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2019, 01:57:19 pm
I wanted a development corner LAST year...I wanted an OT last year...I wanted an OLB last year. It's just hard when you have so many holes in the roster and your GM subscribes to the BPA theory. Some holes don't get filled and you can't argue with the Pace's picks in 2018.
As for CB, Pace signed a bunch of FA rookies and a Canada guy and Tolliver emerged. At OT they converted a FA DE into a tackle and retained Sowell. At OLB, Lynch was signed and Fitts was drafted late but the big signing was Mack.
Bears don't have the draft ammo in 2019 and who knows if they will be able to avoid injuries like they did in 2018.
Post by: Dave23 on January 24, 2019, 02:45:48 pm
Still can't believe he wasn't drafted...
Post by: davebear on January 24, 2019, 02:58:49 pm
It would be nice to know what Pace thinks.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2019, 03:12:36 pm
Dallas isnt convinced Pace will re-sign Massie. He may be correct. We dont know. I cant believe we are better off without Massie at this point. That doesnt mean I believe Massie is a great RT or we cant do better, but that candidate isnt on the roster. Lets hope Massie and the Bears can work out an agreement. That would be my druthers.
Post by: guest118 on January 24, 2019, 03:21:21 pm
Post by: guest118 on January 24, 2019, 03:23:02 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/chuck-pagano-aim-bears-best-175105781.html
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2019, 03:27:47 pm
I like Massie. Good performer. Injury free. 29 going on 30 isn't that old for an O-lineman. Could sign him for 2 or 3 years. No heir apparent on roster.
However, Whitehair become a FA next year and that would mean 4 out of 5 of your O-lineman are on 2nd or 3rd contracts (Daniels the exception). And based on recent history Pace likes younger players.
I go back and forth between Callahan and Massie...but Amos is 3rd priority. 4 years 3 career interceptions...solid player coming on in 2018 but you can't re-sign everybody. And Bush is an option.
Post by: Sportster on January 24, 2019, 04:01:12 pm
Post by: guest118 on January 24, 2019, 07:17:01 pm
Like $26 MILLION in cap space. No #1.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 25, 2019, 04:55:44 am
I have no idea what Pace is going to do.
I like Massie. Good performer. Injury free. 29 going on 30 isn't that old for an O-lineman. Could sign him for 2 or 3 years. No heir apparent on roster.
However, Whitehair become a FA next year and that would mean 4 out of 5 of your O-lineman are on 2nd or 3rd contracts (Daniels the exception). And based on recent history Pace likes younger players.
I go back and forth between Callahan and Massie...but Amos is 3rd priority. 4 years 3 career interceptions...solid player coming on in 2018 but you can't re-sign everybody. And Bush is an option.
Isn't Coward being groomed for the tackle position? They thought highly enough of him that they kept him on the active roster for fear he would have been snatched off of the practice squad. Free agency will speak to how highly the Bears think of his progress since we have heard nothing of Coward during the regular season. If the Bears make an honest push for Massey, that tells us Coward isn't ready. If they do not, and take a lesser tackle in FA, that should be the tell. Drafting a tackle in the 3rd round or later is likely not our projected day one starter at the beginning of the 2019 season.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2019, 09:41:48 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2019, 10:09:28 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/23/tarik-cohen-chicago-bears-pro-bowl-bullseye-competition/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: guest118 on January 25, 2019, 11:33:07 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-potential-parkey-replacements-155016464--nfl.html
Parkey is good as gone. Bad signing. Not sure how you give a kicker $9 million. He should have been cut early in the season.
Post by: dallasbear on January 25, 2019, 11:46:57 am
Bears seem to be using the Today show appearance by Parkey as the reason they are looking at other kickers. Didn't see the show but that appears to be a pretty gutless excuse.
Post by: Dave23 on January 25, 2019, 12:21:26 pm
Looks like we have uncovered our emergency QB or gadget play QB.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/23/tarik-cohen-chicago-bears-pro-bowl-bullseye-competition/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
I would think the TD passes he threw in both 2017 and 2018 would have already done that...
Post by: chifaninva on January 25, 2019, 05:47:31 pm
Bears seem to be using the Today show appearance by Parkey as the reason they are looking at other kickers. Didn't see the show but that appears to be a pretty gutless excuse.My understanding is, Nagy emphasizes "WE". They felt that the appearance on the today show was a me move, cashing in on on his failed attempt. I read that it wasn't just Nagy but some of the teammates weren't happy as well. Not sure if that's true or not. You don't know, Nagy may have had a talk with Parkey telling him this is about us, not just your missed FG. After everything went down, maybe Nagy took it personally. Who cares, I don't think Nagy needs anymore of an excuse, Parkey's a damaged kicker.. I think it's a good move, a player doesn't abide by the rules set forth by the coach, adios.. Sounds like Nagy is well respected by the players.
Post by: octagon on January 26, 2019, 10:24:39 am
Post by: chifaninva on January 26, 2019, 11:39:54 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2019, 11:49:23 am
Post by: Pekin on January 26, 2019, 12:20:33 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2019, 12:23:34 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2019, 12:28:40 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2019, 12:35:21 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-bobby-massie-contract-extension-20190126-story.html
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 26, 2019, 03:41:36 pm
Before Massie signing it was estimated that Bears would have around 30 million to spend this year on FA. I really think we need to sign Callahan next. Amos is solid but I think he is the easiest to be replaced.
I really believe they are going to trade Howard before or during draft. I am not saying that I agree with the move but I believe they are going to do it.
Williams from KC is a FA; he fits the system well. I would not be surprised if the Bears try to get him.
Post by: guest118 on January 26, 2019, 03:47:15 pm
Post by: davebear on January 26, 2019, 04:09:41 pm
You never know what other teams may offer though.
I expect Amos to get some high offers the Bears may not want to match as his position is one that's not the hardest to fill.
Post by: dallasbear on January 26, 2019, 04:38:47 pm
And we are worried about signing 3 players? None of which are pro bowl quality.
What's Antonio Brown want?
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 27, 2019, 06:21:51 am
Post by: wmljohn on January 27, 2019, 09:01:55 am
Post by: davebear on January 27, 2019, 09:13:06 am
Post by: Sportster on January 27, 2019, 03:05:21 pm
Post by: navigator on January 28, 2019, 07:17:36 am
It will be interesting to see if Mitch and Nagy can take another step. I think Nagy got too cute at times with his play calling.
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 28, 2019, 07:31:33 am
Post by: boogie on January 28, 2019, 12:04:12 pm
Post by: guest118 on January 28, 2019, 12:36:30 pm
Post by: davebear on January 28, 2019, 01:57:29 pm
It was hard to watch because there was not timing between receivers and QB's so the passing I saw was way off.
Whenever a ball carrier was grabbed with a hand they blew the whistle.
There were few times I saw where any player went to the ground.
Post by: chifaninva on January 28, 2019, 03:38:29 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 28, 2019, 06:26:54 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2019, 09:28:34 am
From Haugh of the Trib,
Is the line the strength of the offense after the Bears rewarded right tackle Bobby Massie on Saturday with a four-year contract extension? Only four right tackles reportedly will make more than Massie’s new $8 million average annual salary, but even if the Bears slightly overpaid, the gesture reflects the organization’s recognition of its win-now mode.
Massie will return to a unit that includes left tackle Charles Leno Jr. and center Cody Whitehair — both fresh off a Pro Bowl appearance — 2013-15 Pro Bowler Kyle Long at right guard and ESPN all-rookie performer James Daniels at left guard. At one point, Long’s $6.9 million salary in 2019, combined with his chronic injury issues, suggested he could be vulnerable, but it would be incompatible with the Bears’ other moves to cut Long now.
Thats a lot of money for Massie and there are going to have to be corresponding moves to re-align the cap. $8 Mil is a lot of dinero. No wonder why Massie quickly took that and didnt wimper.
Post by: guest118 on January 29, 2019, 12:18:33 pm
Post by: boogie on January 29, 2019, 12:21:54 pm
Post by: dallasbear on January 29, 2019, 03:46:42 pm
Long is gone. Cap causality.
He is? Got a link?
I do think they should restructure his deal.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2019, 10:45:44 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/22/chicago-bears-2019-senior-bowl-offensive-tackles-ranking-scouting-report-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
Bears could spend their 3rd rounder on a RT.
Post by: davebear on January 30, 2019, 11:07:45 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2019, 12:13:52 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 30, 2019, 02:33:05 pm
Post by: Pekin on January 31, 2019, 01:02:24 am
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2019, 09:22:19 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/29/2019-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-seven-round-mock-draft/
Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2019, 09:47:05 am
If Pace wasn't a BPA guy I'd cross OT off the list for our 3, 4 and 5th round picks with the Massey signing.
The weak spot of the 2018 Chicago Bears was their offense specifically the pass offense. Offense was ranked 22nd - pass offense 21st. One could also add special teams - specifically kicker.
Sure we'd like a little more flash out of our starting running back spot where Howard only averaged 3.7 yards. But Cohen added over 700 receiving yards from that position. You'd like to see a stud at receiver but they have 3 quality wide outs and Burton gave the Bears quite a bit of production at the TE spot.
You'd like to see some more depth at CB, safety and OLB added too as Bears were very fortunate with injuries until the final month of the season.
But the biggest improvement needed in 2019 will not be from filling in backup spots from the draft. It's Trubisky. He's the key to taking the next step and sure a good draft will help but its mostly on him to improve.
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2019, 10:09:50 am
Post by: boogie on January 31, 2019, 11:00:10 am
Post by: chifaninva on January 31, 2019, 11:23:28 am
Post by: chifaninva on January 31, 2019, 11:34:12 am
Not sure if Cousins is that good of a QB, but this will be his second season on a new team. Don't look for the Vikings to be patsies.. I think GB has some issues, and the Lions.. Well, they're the Lions..
Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2019, 11:42:42 am
Yeah, he has some mechanic breakdowns but he also has to improve his field vision and find his secondary options better.
Post by: boogie on January 31, 2019, 12:08:54 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 02, 2019, 06:42:52 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 02, 2019, 09:21:01 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/01/5-moves-the-chicago-bears-should-make-in-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: boogie on February 02, 2019, 11:21:22 am
Post by: JeffH on February 03, 2019, 09:05:36 pm
The Bears are good enough.
Post by: boogie on February 03, 2019, 09:56:09 pm
Post by: chifaninva on February 04, 2019, 05:09:12 am
Lesson to be taken from Super Bowl LIII:
The Bears are good enough.
I agree..
Post by: chifaninva on February 04, 2019, 05:10:07 am
Yeah I think we might have beaten the Pats, but at least it would have been close.
You could score nothing and it would be close.. Real barn burner..
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 04, 2019, 07:54:49 am
Goff looked like he did when he played the Bears- scared and unsure. Rams had no answers for Edelman and the D was gashed badly (gassed maybe ?) trying to stop those last runs. All in all, I could not help think "Damn the Bears would've done better than this ****."
First sober SB since college in 85. I think I'll go back to drinking as it makes the game more fun :D
Post by: BearHit on February 04, 2019, 08:08:58 am
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Post by: guest118 on February 04, 2019, 11:45:35 am
Post by: chifaninva on February 04, 2019, 07:09:55 pm
Post by: boogie on February 04, 2019, 09:13:43 pm
Post by: Pekin on February 04, 2019, 11:00:21 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 05, 2019, 10:02:25 am
Matthews will soon be 33. He had 3.5 sacks last season. My guess is retirement is eminent.
Plus Pace wants to develop Fitts and Irving but I wouldn't rule out a #3 guy to replace Lynch if he's not re-signed.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2019, 10:07:13 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 05, 2019, 11:00:26 am
That's one variable. Another factor is whether another team wants to sign him to a long term deal based on his 13 game - 3 sack performance with the Bears.
I'd like to see the Bears re-sign him to another 1 year deal but his injury history and lack of the Fangio connection could be obstacles.
Post by: guest118 on February 05, 2019, 12:22:30 pm
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2019, 09:46:35 am
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Post by: davebear on February 11, 2019, 08:46:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDhaavqT7tU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWgV2Qw7ViA
I still have this feeling Butkus may be the best ever player ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNgay-Vrq6o
Sayers was such a much better athlete than those on defense. Look at the acceleration.
Post by: guest77 on February 11, 2019, 11:37:22 pm
So now the talk is the Bears will get another trip to Detroit on Thanksgiving in addition to the season opener with the Pi$$ & Yellowi. On top of that they have a trip to London. Plus you can bet they’ll get Sunday, Monday and Tnursday night games. Plus they could be flexed into Sunday Night if a meaningful game comes up whenever the flexing time begins Oh and a first place schedule to boot. Well, they will definitely be road-tested!
The Thanksgiving games should be non-conference opponents, or at least rotated so teams aren’t playing every year. And can the schedule gods give us at least a long break after those Thursday games please. No more 3 days rest between games.
Rant over, return to whatever you were doing before, ;D
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 12, 2019, 04:59:03 am
Last season, the Packers lost to the Cardinals at home and the Vikings lost to the Bills at home... so there is that. A perceived much weaker opponent coming into the home stadium and getting beat.
The two games I have circled outside of our own division and apart from the Rams & Saints, are the Redskins and the Eagles. Both teams perpetually have our number, and it is time to turn that around once and for all.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2019, 09:38:40 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/11/chicago-bears-denver-broncos-vic-fangio-coach-defensive-coordination/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2019, 09:46:39 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/11/jordan-howard-kareem-hunt-chicago-bears-offseason-free-agency-running-back/
I think they will shop Howard, not that he is necessarily traded.....depends on the offer. And we may not be privy as to him being shopped
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2019, 02:00:33 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kareem-hunt-mitch-trubisky-biggs-20190211-story.html
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2019, 02:11:24 pm
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 13, 2019, 07:27:14 am
To change ! Our ever, constant companion on the road of life ! :D
Post by: Sportster on February 13, 2019, 09:15:55 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2019, 09:16:21 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/12/chicago-bears-trade-duke-johnson-kareem-hunt-running-back-browns/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: guest118 on February 13, 2019, 10:02:43 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 14, 2019, 09:27:49 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/13/chris-conley-chicago-bears-free-agency-wide-receiver/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 14, 2019, 10:00:38 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2019, 11:33:04 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/13/chicago-bears-alabama-damien-harris-2019-nfl-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
How important is a RB now? Is it more important than other needs? I might argue about that. I think a RB in round 3 is a little early and possibly a little wasteful
Post by: dallasbear on February 15, 2019, 12:10:20 pm
Pace could go anywhere with this pick aside from HB:
- safety to replace Amos if he departs
- cornerback to replace Callahan if he departs and to provide a backup to Fuller/Amukamora
- OLB to backup Mack/Floyd
- guard for insurance for Long
- WR/TE to build depth
or BPA.
Post by: davebear on February 15, 2019, 12:38:15 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2019, 01:33:33 pm
Post by: chifaninva on February 15, 2019, 05:38:54 pm
Post by: davebear on February 15, 2019, 06:51:42 pm
Or Pace can find a rookie late in the draft that has his desired skill set.
https://dawindycity.com/2019/02/15/chicago-bears-mock-draft-combine-2/5/
Post by: Dave23 on February 15, 2019, 08:23:33 pm
Really?
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2019, 10:54:37 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 16, 2019, 04:31:47 pm
Post by: guest118 on February 18, 2019, 10:52:53 am
That said he is not a #1.
Howard just doesn't do it for me - it seems like so many times he does not hit the hole hard and it closes - and he doesn't quite have break away speed. He would be a great #2 to spell a great #1.
Post by: chifaninva on February 18, 2019, 04:09:41 pm
Post by: guest118 on February 18, 2019, 05:36:09 pm
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 19, 2019, 05:36:11 am
Post by: boogie on February 19, 2019, 07:11:41 am
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The 49ers have not used the franchise tag since 2012 when they applied it to safety Dashon Goldson. They avoided it last year by signing quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to a long-term deal.
The team hopes to get a long-term done executed with kicker Robbie Gould before the March 5 franchise tag deadline, but if they don’t get a deal done, the 49ers appear poised to use the tag on Gould, Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area reports.
While Gould said he is ready to “consider all opportunities,” it doesn’t appear the 49ers will give him an opportunity to test the free agent waters and for good reason(s).
Gould, the second-most accurate kicker in NFL history, made 72 of 75 field goals in his two seasons in San Francisco. The free agent tag for kickers is expected to be around $5 million, and the 49ers have plenty of salary cap room.
Plus, Gould’s former team, the Bears, likely would quickly pursue him. Gould is building a home in Chicago.
So expect Gould to stay in San Francisco at least one more season if not long term.
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 19, 2019, 07:14:07 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2019, 10:25:39 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/19/bryce-callahan-chicago-bears-franchise-tag-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: chifaninva on February 20, 2019, 11:05:30 am
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2019, 11:20:05 am
I really like Callahan but he's not a cornerback he's a nickel back and should not be tagged at elite cornerback money.
McManis exceeded my expectations last season but I think he will get exposed over a season. Hopefully, Bears can sign Callahan long term but if not - they will need to go shopping in free agency or target one of their mid round selections in the draft.
Bears have more options on the roster replacing Amos (Deon Bush/Houston-Carson) than they do with Callahan.
Post by: davebear on February 20, 2019, 11:53:48 am
Cutting Sims and Parkey should about raise that significantly and I would rather they discuss a contract restructure or reduction from Long rather than release him.
Post by: boogie on February 20, 2019, 12:49:14 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2019, 02:03:10 pm
Data that Bears should use in their negotiations for a long term deal.
Post by: boogie on February 20, 2019, 02:18:09 pm
The Bears are set to move on without tight end Dion Sims in 2019.
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Bears are expected to release Sims in the near future. The move clears his $6 million salary from the cap for the coming season and comes a year after speculation that the Bears would part ways with Sims got going.
Sims signed a three-year, $18 million deal with the Bears as a free agent in 2017 and made 14 starts in his first year with the team. He only appeared in eight games for the Bears last season, however, and caught two passes for nine yards while Trey Burton took over the lead role at tight end.
Burton is back for 2019 along with Adam Shaheen and Ben Braunecker.
Post by: Sportster on February 21, 2019, 08:54:14 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2019, 09:08:10 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2019, 09:17:09 am
Well Pace has to do something.
Post by: dallasbear on February 21, 2019, 09:18:15 am
Restructure Long.
Keep Daniel and Trevathan.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2019, 09:21:49 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2019, 09:23:01 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/20/adrian-amos-safety-chicago-bears-free-agent-free-agency/
Post by: chifaninva on February 22, 2019, 05:58:10 am
she was probably the head pitchfork lady during the Kavanaugh hearings..
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2019, 10:46:35 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/22/2019-nfl-draft-scouting-combine-chicago-bears-running-backs-david-montgomery-elijah-holyfield-bryce-love/
Bears need to do their doos. A RB/KR would be a blessing.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2019, 11:12:29 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-cody-parkey-released-20190222-story.html
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2019, 11:14:21 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-viz-chicago-bears-offseason-moves-hires-2019-story.html
overdue.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2019, 12:57:25 pm
Interesting read
Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2019, 10:35:56 am
Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2019, 10:50:03 am
Post by: boogie on February 26, 2019, 11:23:51 am
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Bears guard Kyle Long has restructured his contract to remain in Chicago.
Long tweeted the simple message, “Bear for Life.”
He did not elaborate, but Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that Long has agreed to a restructured contract.
Although the 30-year-old Long still had three years remaining on his old contract, there was some talk the Bears could release him to save cap space. Long was slated to have an $8.5 million cap hit this season, and injuries have forced him to miss at least six games in each of the last three seasons.
The Bears don’t have a lot of cap space heading into free agency, and an extension structured to reduce that $8.5 million cap hit this year could make sense for both sides.
Post by: boogie on February 26, 2019, 11:25:08 am
No team used the franchise tag during the first week of the two-week window to do so, but that changed on Tuesday.
The 49ers confirmed reports that they have placed their franchise tag on kicker Robbie Gould. The cap figure is expected to be around $5 million, although the Niners and Gould would have until July 15 to work on a multi-year deal.
Gould has mused about a possible return to Chicago in free agency, but the expectation has been that the 49ers would use the tag to hold onto the veteran’s rights if they couldn’t agree on a contract. They could still trade Gould if he signs the tag, although there’s no word suggesting that’s in their plans.
Their interest in retaining Gould is easy to understand. He’s made 72-of-75 field goals since joining the 49ers in 2017 and the team has plenty of cap space to spend on other areas even with a tag in place.
Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2019, 11:35:38 am
Post by: BearHit on February 26, 2019, 11:38:02 am
Post by: boogie on February 26, 2019, 11:44:20 am
Post by: BearHit on February 26, 2019, 11:50:29 am
Post by: guest118 on February 26, 2019, 12:25:14 pm
Post by: dallasbear on February 26, 2019, 12:52:46 pm
I hope this ensures that the Bears can at least re-sign Callahan or Amos. Personally, I'd lean towards Callahan but who knows maybe Pace can snag both of them.
With those 2 signed there are no urgent needs in free agency or draft besides backup positions...oh yeah, except kicker.
Post by: 46 on February 26, 2019, 02:04:11 pm
Post by: Sportster on February 26, 2019, 07:16:54 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2019, 09:31:22 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/27/kyle-long-chicago-bears-restructured-contract-details/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 02, 2019, 09:04:54 pm
Orlando is undefeated and favored to win the championship game at this time. Much of the reason is because of Gilbert IMO.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2019, 05:49:40 pm
https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AIAQS8NUStvDXHvsKwW08E73GHU?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANa0l-eeon7fcX5Xt2PWLei3t5ynG_2tWCt6cOCIR2vnjfguIpKNqjqRF1vIsBXYAORBKviQvqRkV3wsMY3wzdmRIv0Khi5HcWv2LDMKIeo2HLw_wHl_PrOqRcuL_DSal-Gp8oHQ9udaQydgM7DHkcCnD4sQMcSogt5KQyODXCHQ
Post by: stelz on March 04, 2019, 09:58:06 am
The narrative was that there was no one out there...but no one better that Parkey? So he sat on his hands.
Post by: dallasbear on March 04, 2019, 03:30:26 pm
It was also a significant financial decision - Pace gambled on the side of the player and obviously lost.
I remember this came up after Parkey missed the 4 kicks and I too thought they should stick with Parkey. Little did I know...
Post by: stelz on March 04, 2019, 06:54:21 pm
So he missed (almost ridiculously predictably) and they end up eating the whole contract anyway. They could have gotten a jumpstart on that and given the Bears a chance in the playoffs.
To me, the Bears offseason turnaround job by Ryan Pace was on the level of a miracle, but the whole thing was fouled by continuing to mismanage the kicking situation the whole season and into the playoffs.
And I’m not bitter...
😋
Post by: davebear on March 04, 2019, 08:04:25 pm
So many teams were cutting kickers and signing others with no success that it was clear there just wasn't anybody reliable surfacing.
To name a few the Chargers, Seahawks, Raiders, Bengals, Vikings, Browns and Steelers were frequently holding tryouts between games.
The Steelers were trying out kickers just before the playoffs.
Post by: guest118 on March 04, 2019, 11:14:45 pm
Post by: davebear on March 05, 2019, 12:21:40 am
I don't think it will be as late as most years.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 05, 2019, 04:39:36 am
Post by: chifaninva on March 05, 2019, 05:43:10 am
I'm still pissed at Pace for not cutting Parkey in week 15 or so, when it was clear that he hadn't figured anything out by that time, and being f*cking bold and signing ANYBODY else to kick, because anyone could see the Bears had enough to win the Super Bowl. Sooner or later it was going to come down to a kick that you JUST KNEW would be missed.
The narrative was that there was no one out there...but no one better that Parkey? So he sat on his hands.
bunch of us were ready to cut Parkey by mid season, but yes, we all hoped he would turn it around
Post by: wmljohn on March 05, 2019, 06:56:54 am
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we all hoped he would turn it around
If I am not wrong the numbers show that he turned it around after that Lions game. He just choked on the biggest kick of his life.
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2019, 07:06:53 am
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2019, 07:14:35 am
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2019, 07:23:37 am
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2019, 08:12:54 am
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2019, 08:13:48 am
Post by: VJ on March 05, 2019, 09:03:22 am
I highly doubt Pollard or Love will be available in the 7th.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2019, 09:42:22 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/04/chicago-bears-post-nfl-combine-complete-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Post by: Dave23 on March 05, 2019, 11:17:08 am
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2019, 11:32:38 am
Post by: davebear on March 05, 2019, 11:34:23 am
http://www.thebearsbrawl.com/brezs-post-combine-mock-off-season/
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That guy really gets into it. Looks like he sees no chance to resign Amos.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2019, 12:57:03 pm
Post by: dallasbear on March 05, 2019, 03:08:23 pm
I'd like Amos back but if you sign Calahan and Jackson gets a new contract next year that's a lot of money in the defensive backfield. Maybe they look to dump Prince at that time.
Saving $1.5M to dump Kwiatowski and Howard is dumb. Especially Howard. Who gets the bulk of the running back snaps next year? Certainly not Cohen or two rookie 7th rounders.
And I don't know what kind of tender is involved with keeping Roy Robertson-Harris, I hope its enough so that another team can't snatch him up.
Post by: stelz on March 06, 2019, 02:18:44 pm
Pace's offseason was such that the Bears went from the basement to having enough to make and possibly win the Super Bowl. Except for the kicker...and Pace did nothing. I'm going to resent him for it for a long period of time.
On the positive side: Remember the first Green Bay game...After Rodger's comeback miracle of all the ages, the Bears' offense had enough time to do something right at the end of the game, but Mitch folded up. Then four and a half months later, there he is again...in the playoffs...in a similar spot. One final chance at a drive and Trubisky brings the Bears right into FG range, including one brilliant throw.
Nagy did an amazing job with Trubisky and I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with in their second year.
Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2019, 06:58:54 pm
Bears latest kicker situation - I think they Blew itt.
har har
Post by: guest118 on March 06, 2019, 06:59:46 pm
But he will not make it. Made 69% of his kicks in College.
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 07, 2019, 05:33:30 am
Redford Jones, Blewitt, both fit that description. I don't want to dismiss anyone at this point. Obviously for Blewitt to get an invite he did some things right since college to earn an opportunity.
Post by: guest118 on March 07, 2019, 12:52:29 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2019, 02:10:43 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/06/chicago-bears-kicker-chris-blewitt-cody-parkey/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline
That is so dang funny. I just had to post it.
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2019, 10:02:44 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/07/jordan-howard-chicago-bears-trade-value-draft-pick-ajayi-hyde-running-back/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Pretty much what all have said. But trading him for a player not needed on their roster would make sense, like a player where we are thin.
Post by: guest118 on March 08, 2019, 01:15:51 pm
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2019, 01:28:39 pm
Post by: davebear on March 08, 2019, 01:29:33 pm
I just don't understand why they don't keep Howard and replace Mizzell with the back they want.
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2019, 01:32:34 pm
Post by: davebear on March 08, 2019, 01:39:03 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2019, 02:14:01 pm
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2019, 10:42:34 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/08/chicago-bears-nfl-free-agency-running-back-leveon-bell-spencer-ware-tevin-coleman-jordan-howard-trade/2/
Bell? No way Jose. No puede ser.
Post by: guest118 on March 10, 2019, 12:00:13 pm
Does that mean we over paid for Mack?
Post by: guest118 on March 10, 2019, 12:12:20 pm
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 10, 2019, 10:21:09 pm
Post by: Pekin on March 10, 2019, 10:39:10 pm