Bleacher Bums Forum
General Category => Archives => Topic started by: WshflThinking on September 14, 2017, 12:18:01 pm
-
I know its early to be talking about draft but here is something to read. I don't think safety is our biggest priority.
https://nflmocks.com/2017/09/14/chicago-bears-2018-mock-draft-eyeing-those-weapons/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
-
S, WR, LB, OT. That isnt too bad. Could use a CB and OG.
-
Jake Elliott, either in the 7th or as an UDFA...Connor Barth isn't cutting it for me...
Yeah, still wish we had done this...
-
And, to top it off...Jake Elliott is from Western Springs (just west of Chicago)...probably raised a Bears fan...
-
None of us got what we wanted in the 2017 Draft ...
but the season is in play ...
how would you grade the 2017 Draft so far ?
-
Trubiskey - B- I think his presence alone has helped lift the team. They look more inspired these last 3 weeks. With Glennon in there, there was a wait for the mistake, the sloth. Mitch has brought energy to the team. He has made some really good throws, they are just keeping the handcuffs on him. That throw to Miller today at midfield was a dart.
Shaheen - D You need more out of a 2nd round choice. Maybe this is the coaches wanting to have players they trust and not rookies.
Cohen - A- He contributes a sparkle play every week. Wait until we have some actual receivers to spread the field.
Jackson - B+ He's coming. That was a great game today, but he has consistently been playing well and allowing the other defenders to play more free. He is a surprising hitter. This may be our best pick since he is on the field every play.
Overall, I would grade this draft a strong B, maybe B+
-
Oddly enough, Cohen didn't get one rushing attempt Sunday.
-
I reiterate my previous post ...
BUT ... with a lineup in draft order ,
WR - WR - OL -OL - LB -LB - K
I love Kyle Long ... but he exits the game with a bent finger.
That's not even beginning to try.
-
Actually the announcers said he fought them to stay in the game but they forced him to go to the locker room. He came back with his entire hand in a cast. I am guessing it is more then a dislocated finger which is what was reported at the time.
-
Actually the announcers said he fought them to stay in the game but they forced him to go to the locker room. He came back with his entire hand in a cast. I am guessing it is more then a dislocated finger which is what was reported at the time.
All the more reason to go OL in the mid round's in 2018.
We need 16 game starters that can protect our second pick in MT from 2017.
Man do we need WR's ! MT is handcuffed until he has any.
So who's the hot WR's in collage ?
-
2018 early mock:
Time to begin to think about that.
https://fansided.com/2017/10/25/nfl-mock-draft-browns-sam-darnold/
-
I've been thinking about the draft even before the season started.
I think that mock could change with the 49ers getting Grappollo, but I like the Bears pick at 12. Lots of first round QBs and I stopped looking at 12.
For the Bears OLB and WR should be the draft priority though Pace will say he'll draft BPA.
And I'd like to see more of Cooper at corner since he's signed for a couple years. Maybe the Bears flip a coin and sign Amukamara or Fuller and draft a corner in the mid rounds.
-
Who keeps getting injured that we can never count on for 16 games ?
WR WR OL OL LB LB and just for good measure ... K.
The Cohen - Shaheen experiment has to be viewed in the rear view mirror.
This time those rounds need stud over performers.
-
Also : this forum should reflect that it's the 2018 Draft.
-
So Shaheen had two catches for 39 yards in the first quarter and was never targeted again. And Cohen had how many touches 3 or 4? It is the play calling that is the problem, which is coming from the coaches. They all need to go.
-
That falls on Loggains and Fox.
They don't trust Trubisky right now. They don't appear to give him any pre-snap options. Packers line up 9 guys within 3 yards of the LOS and they send Howard up the middle. And do the same damn thing on 2nd down.
Bears need to incorporate more quick passing plays and lessen the decision making plays that Trubisky has to make. Throw a 4 yard pass - see what happens.
Trubisky is now so gun-shy to throwing picks that he's lost his natural instincts. And get him out of the pocket -Bears are calling the same plays that they did with Glennon the statue.
-
4 round Bear draft:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/d5086478-da6f-3a48-bb87-1e8904f229c0/ss_2018-nfl-draft%3A-chicago-bears.html
-
These are valid need-based picks. Could substitute the 4th rounder WR with another CB as WR could be somewhat settled next year with a potential re-sign of Inman and Meridith and White returning plus the 1st round pick.
-
I wouldnt count on White. I think he is toast. And to think he is now a millionaire and hasnt contributed squat. I believe Meredith will be back healthy. I wouldnt believe White will contribute any more than they can bring back a healthy Walter Payton.
-
No, not counting on White but he will be part of the mix as he's still on his rookie deal and at this point you need as many guys to generate competition as possible.
Figure Meridith, maybe re-sign Inman, add a first or second round WR, plus backups White, McBride, and Wheaton is still under contract. And then there's free agency...Alshon Jeffery anyone?
-
Is Jeffery happy and productive in Philly? I am not so sure. At least they are winning which we arent. I doubt he moves without overpaying
-
Happy? What does that mean in the NFL?
Productive? Yeah, 500 receiving yards and 5 TDs - no WR has more production.
He'll be a free agent - he'll move to the team that meets his $ demands with tiebreakers going to a team with a real offense.
Bears probably have the lowest payroll in the NFL at the WR position and it shows. Imagine next year with Jeffery and Meridith, Inman, and a second round rookie plus whatever we get out of White.
-
Interesting. I dont see the Bears going after Jeffery. We'll see what jeffery's numbers are after the season is over and where the Iggles are when their season is over. I dont envision Pace rushing to overpay Jeffery to get him back. And I dont see Jeffery eager to leave Philly. But miracles do happen. Maybe the Iggles miss the playoffs and Jeffery gets another 1000 yards and he becomes eager to move. Who knows what will happen before the season ends. I know I believe John Fox has a better chance to be gone before Jeffery comes back. And I havent heard Jeffery say he misses Chicago.
-
What does overpay mean? So if we don't "overpay" does it mean we again sit with all this extra unused cap and a bunch of 2nd or 3rd tier receivers like Wheaton, Wright and Inman?
I'm not necessarily advocating signing Jeffery but we need to sign one of the top FA WRs next year. You can't depend on either Meridith and White not only returning from injury but being productive and not to mention depending on any rookie WR regardless of round drafted.
-
Pace has said he wants to build through the draft. I dont see him going out after some high priced FA PERIOD. I expect him to go the draft route and pick up somebody who he thinks is an up an comer through FA. Will he be successful? Is there green cheese on the moon? I dont think so. Will he draft another WR with our 1st pick. I dont think so because he already got burned doing that. As for Jeffery I think he has burned his bridges here. And I think we arent going to get into a bidding war over him.
-
Of course you want to build through the draft but you have to supplant that with free agency, especially when you only have a handful of draft picks AND glaring holes throughout your lineup. Pace has been moderately successful in signing upper middle tier free agents like Hicks, Freeman, Trevathan, Amukamora, Massie, Sitton, McPhee, and a few younger FAs.
But I'm NOT advocating that strategy with WR next year. Get someone who scares the $hit out of opposing defenses. Do you think the Pack feared any of our wideouts when they lined up 9 guys on the LOS?
And I don't think Pace avoids drafting a WR with our first round pick just because White was so injury prone. If a stud falls to us in round 1 I think Pace will draft him regardless of position or past injury status of their position.
My opinion is to go after the best pass rushing edge guy in round 1 and take a speedy WR in round 2.
-
My opinion is to go after the best pass rushing edge guy in round 1 and take a speedy WR in round 2.
Thats what I hope will happen. Seems to me from watching college football that there are a lot of good receivers available in this draft. The area I worry about is the CB class and we need top notch quality. We deviated from fixing the defense last year to draft Trubisky. This draft will show us whether Pace goes best player available or drafts for need. We know where the needs are
.
-
Check out Arden Key of LSU...beast...
-
Pace will tell you he drafts BPA but when you have so many needs it's not hard to say you follow a BPA philosophy. By trading up in the last 2 rounds Pace is essentially accomplishing both.
Yes, Bears deviated from fixing the defense last draft with the Trubisky deal (Eddie Jackson the only defender), but Pace filled in the holes pretty well with some new and past free agents and the Bears now have the 9th ranked D in the league.
So yeah, corner could be a 1st or 2nd round pick with no arguments with Fuller/Amukamara scheduled to be free agents. And the guy that is not playing, Marcus Cooper, is signed through 2019.
-
BPA is not Shaheen in the 2nd.
-
BPA is not Shaheen in the 2nd.
True dat.
WR and pass rusher in first and second is a must.
BTW , we've had so many first round busts at WR by so many H.C.'s over the years
that it's impossible to apply the past to tomorrow.
Wipe the slate clean for 2018 BEARS and get MT some weapons to toss the rock to.
Two WR's in the first 4 rounds. Two LB and two OL in six rounds.
Studmo OL at three ? Draft em.
Marshaun Latamore and Jamal Lewis went to the Saints & Jets ...
who got AWFULLY GOOD at defense. Hmmmmmmmmmmm ...
-
I just took a look at the standings. There are a lot of really bad teams.
Three teams have a worse record.
Four teams have the same record.
Seven teams have won one more game.
So the Bears will likely end up with a top 15 pick but might not even have a top 5.
I see the Bears winning two more games unless something happens where they suddenly get significantly better. With injuries they are likely to get worse except for at QB as Trubisky gets more experience.
So if I had to guess they will be picking somewhere between 3rd and 8th.
-
Round 1
Daniel Carlson - K - Auburn
-
UH, edge rusher/OLB with #1. Who we have are either undersized or injured or going out of contract. With a high pick we need a 10 year starter other than kicker, not that kicker isnt a need
-
OLB, WR, and corner are still our top needs.
Good news - maybe TE isn't one of our secondary needs.
-
I want Arden Key, but I don't think he'll be available when we pick.
Maybe Harold Landry?
-
Thats who is being projected but I dont believe BC has had a very good season. I am not sure of any other worthy candidates.
-
Isn't helping Trubisky the biggest priority?
-
BPA with a high first rounder...
-
How many sacks do these pass rushers have
-
BPA means you draft the best player available with your pick. If you don't like the BPA at your pick you trade up or down.
Last year Pace traded up in round 1 and down in round 2.
In 2018 who knows. But I think there's a pretty good chance that WR, OLB or CB are good bets with the first 2 picks.
-
At wide receiver, who are the top prospects? I don't watch enough college to know the names. One player I have seen a handful of times is the Georgia receiver is Javon Wims, 6-4, 215. My guess is he is a mid round pick, but he is playing himself up the draft. Good hands, decent speed...
-
I've heard the Alabama receiver may be the best
-
Whatever positions we draft - draft speed.
-
Calvin Ridley, James Washington, Courtland Sutton
My personal bias is Anthony Miller of Memphis
-
I wouldnt have a problem with drafting a stud OT. Our OL isnt the best on the block...
-
I disagree - I like our O-line. When all 5 starters are in there (and healthy) they are pretty dependable run and pass blocking.
They struggled somewhat against Green Bay but that was due to a new starter (Grasu) and another starter playing a totally different position (Whitehair).
Leno is having a very quite solid season. Massie has been beat on some first steps in pass protection but he somehow recovers. Whitehair isn't having the season he had last year but he's fine. Sitton is fine. Long is fighting through some tough injuries but is hanging in there.
Draftwise we need to groom a young swing tackle soon and then eventually replace both Sitton and Massie in 2019. There's not much young talent in the pipeline besides 2017 rookie Morgan who was redshirted.
-
Agreed, OL is more of a "depth" need than an urgency...
-
I heard about one from OK State too. Seems like a good WR draft so far. Really depends on who comes out. Should be an interesting combine.
-
Washington is the OK State guy. He's good.
-
Yes.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3122449/james-washington
Senior too good size
-
The O line is pretty good but the tackles break down when pressed. Not the biggest need but need to look a couple years down the road.
Wide receiver wise would Meredith Inman and a competent FA be enough. The answer needs to be yes if you go bpa or defense first.
-
It's kind of hard to judge the tackles with Trubisky in there holding the ball - though last week we saw a bit better pocket presence and mobility. Love those option plays they called for him - just like they do for a lot of the mobile QBs in the league.
But yeah, I agree that the tackles aren't going to the pro-bowl, but they are holding their own and there are several other roster spots where the Bears are in worst shape. Wouldn't surprise me if a stud OT dropped to Pace early and he took him. Wouldn't make me happy either.
Check back with me after the game with the Eagles - I might be changing my tune.
I too would prioritize OLB over WR - with Meridith, maybe Inman, White and a top tier FA WR added to the fold. I still haven't given up on Wheaton. Targeted twice last week.
And any WR we take early better run a sub 4.5 40 and be at least 6 foot. I'm sounding like Logic.
-
Where we will likely be drafting, Bradley Chubb, Quentin Nelson and Minkah Fitzpatrick are probably good fits. Not all of them are likely to be available, but at least one should be.
-
Malik Jefferson, Anthony Miller and Tarvarus McFadden would all be guys I'd be hoping to see still available in round 2.
-
I'm a big fan of Minkah...
-
What do you get when you draft a "supahstah" like Kevin White ...
compared to an "average" WR who plays 16 games a year ...
year in ... year out ?
Let's be looking at injury prone day one in the draft.
Supahstah injured aint doing us shiit.
Find me Antonio Brown. etc.
Someone there for MT all the time.
First round.
-
FUUCK IT
In your order of preference :
WR
WR
LB
LB
OL
OL
K
Your CHICAGO BEARS 2018 Draft.
Lets cut a price tag on what works and what does not.
16 game players motherfuuckers ... 16 game players,
Rock steady rock in rock out.
Draft me that at Halas Hall.
Do you think you would be unhappy with that ?
-
ISF
I watch almost every UT game and wonder why you would want to draft Malik Jefferson. Strictly a 4-3 guy, maybe a 3-4 inside guy, but definitely not a pass rushing OLB like we need.
-
I don't think he's been utilized well there. I'm also not convinced Fangio is back next year.
-
He’s 2019, but if any of you watched the Egg Bowl tonight, you now know why AJ Brown is my top choice for the 2019 draft.
-
Anthony Miller and his Memphis Tigers are playing East Carolina on ESPNU right now, if anyone wants to see a really good WR prospect.
He just took a screen pass 89 yards to the house on Memphis’s first play from scrimmage.
-
Texas OT Connor Williams has declared for the 2018 draft.
He’s 6’6”, 315 lbs., and should be a top half of Round 1 guy.
-
Not our most glaring need, but it would be nice to have some foundational studs like that on the OL...
-
Texas OT Connor Williams has declared for the 2018 draft.
He’s 6’6”, 315 lbs., and should be a top half of Round 1 guy.
Dave23,
Does he have it to be a 16 game starter ?
If not, move on to the next 16 game starter.
In the 2018 draft we are only taking 16 game starters.
-
If I could tell that, I’d be working in a front office somewhere, and not killing time on a message board.
-
Anthony Miller, please...
-
might be the 2nd week in row the AAC has put up the most enjoyable game!
-
Yes Anthony Miller projected 2-4 round. He could be a really nice 3rd round pick up for the slot.
-
If I could tell that, I’d be working in a front office somewhere, and not killing time on a message board.
The most obvious observation would be what is his track record in college.
Is he an always game starter in college in his junior and senior years ?
That's what we want.
If he was an always starter in his freshman and sophomore years ...
so much the better,
or you could deduct that as having too many years under his belt already ...
and worn out.
The answer comes from what is he doing in his last year in college.
BTW ... Long went to the bench again ... we need to help him.
We lost to Frisco ... that takes an extra amount of skill to be that fuucked up.
-
We know what we need , our win/loss record screams that.
-
NFL DRAFT GAME 2018Logged in as: hiber
YOUR TEAM: CHICAGO BEARS
GAME OVER!
Your score is: 21818 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 25 (JAX): Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama (B)
Round 2 Pick 8: Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist (A)
Round 2 Pick 10 (WASH): Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 17 (DAL): Will Clapp, C/OG, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 25 (JAX): Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (A-)
Round 2 Pick 28 (S.F.): Damien Harris, RB, Alabama (A+)
Round 3 Pick 4 (S.F.): Braden Smith, OT/OG, Auburn (A)
Round 3 Pick 7 (T.B.): Isaiah Oliver, CB, Colorado (B+)
Round 3 Pick 14 (OAK): Hayden Hurst, TE, South Carolina (A)
Round 4 Pick 8: Cameron Smith, ILB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17 (DAL): Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7 (T.B.): Jaylen Samuels, FB, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 8: Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL) (A)
Round 6 Pick 8: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Scott Pagano, DT, Oregon (B+)
Your Future Picks:
2019 Round 1 Pick
2020 Round 1 Pick
-
No way does Baker Mayfield last till round #4. I would be shocked if he didnt go in round #1 no lower than #20. And it wouldnt shock me if the team drafting him was the Pack
-
If only we had that many picks and they were smart enough to get that many picks...this team, with the right choices, would turn around in one season. They are most definitely not that smart....
-
yeah the draft game gives lots of opportunities to trade down. I do not think in the NFL draft there are that many opportunities. However I do believe there is with the first pick. I have been saying for years, trade down, get more picks, fill more holes.
-
I just read if we win our last two games we draft no worse than 10, if we lose, no worse than 7.
-
The problem is that we had a very difficult schedule and last time I looked we lose all tiebreakers on draft position with other teams with the same record.
And what sukks even more is that if we beat the Browns are draft position drifts down 3 more spots and if we lose then we're the laughing stock of the NFL.
-
then we're the laughing stock of the NFL.
Then? Too late for that. Lose to the Browns and keep the Lions as the only 0-16 team in history.
Lose out. Please lose out.
-
Have to admit - when NFLN had a blurb about a Head Coach moving on after this season - I was a little excited...
Then they said it was Marvin Lewis
-
UGH
-
This Bears team may sukk - but they haven't quit on Fox, unlike the Bengals.
-
or like they have on previous coaches.
-
To me Fox is a lot like Jauron, a good teacher of fundamentals who the players like to play for, but not someone who can game plan well or develop the team into a top tier contender.
-
To me Fox is a lot like Jauron, a good teacher of fundamentals who the players like to play for, but not someone who can game plan well or develop the team into a top tier contender.
**sarcasm**
Exactly. Fox can not game plan or develop a team into a top tier contender. It's not like he has ever been to a Superbowl or anything. The guy just doesn't know how to coach a team. "He is one of only two head coaches to win both an NFC and an AFC championship game along with Dan Reeves, and one of six coaches to reach the Super Bowl with multiple teams." Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut. Fox's career is purely someone else's success and he is riding their coat tails.
-
Didnt Fox take Denver to a Super Bowl?
-
Yes. Fox is not the problem. Talent is the problem. Keep working on the talent and all the coaches look better magically.
-
I disagree. Fox is part of the problem. Lot's of stupid penalties. That is coaching.
The Bears were never going to beat a talented team like the Eagles. However they lost to the Hundley led beat up Packers. Not acceptable.
He is a dinousar that has to have top notch talent to win. He is no Belechick.
-
All I know is once Fox left is when Denver won the Superbowl.
-
The Bears have been out of maybe two games this year, Philly and one early this season. A lot of one score losses, 6 and one by 10 points.
It's possible if Meredith hadn't gotten hurt and we still had Jeffry the talk would be the Bears main problem would be going to the playoffs with a rookie QB.
-
Then when we get rid of him we will be in the playoffs next year. Great. Get rid of him.
-
Get rid pf who????
-
Fox of course.
Posted by: hibernationsuxs
« on: December 19, 2017, 05:05:23 pm » Insert Quote
All I know is once Fox left is when Denver won the Superbowl.
Posted by: Pekin
« on: December 19, 2017, 04:17:55 pm » Insert Quote
I disagree. Fox is part of the problem. Lot's of stupid penalties. That is coaching.
The Bears were never going to beat a talented team like the Eagles. However they lost to the Hundley led beat up Packers. Not acceptable.
He is a dinousar that has to have top notch talent to win. He is no Belechick.
-
He is a dinousar that has to have top notch talent to win. He is no Belechick.
Name one NFL head coach that has won a Superbowl without top notch talent? Because Belechick sure as hell never accomplished that.
-
Name one NFL head coach that has won a Superbowl without top notch talent? Because Belechick sure as hell never accomplished that.
According to some on this board... Mike McCarthy
-
I do not think Fox is terrible, I think he is average. The problem is that we have a lack of talent and an average coach. Just look at UCF, they were winless 2 seasons ago. Scott Frost comes in and changes the teams culture and now they are undefeated. Did the talent change, sure somewhat, but the coach was the major change. What do we have to lose, 5-11 record?
-
Look at the L.A. teams that just moved into my town.
Look at Jacksonville.
Philly.
It can be done.
No excuse for BEARSSE not to be top tier. >:(
Please GOD don't make me a Rams/Chargers fan because
DAA BEARRSSE continue to suuck !
It's not fair ... not after this many years. ;)
Give us a sign Lord.
-
Bears need a Christmas miracle every Christmas...it's getting old....
-
What about SATAN ?
Dare CHICAGO BEARS intrude into the dark side that N.E. Patriots have used
to influence their outcomes?
That evil below Halas Hall ... always there but never put to use ...
like the regurgitated belch from too many Fritos and beers ...
along some west Texas wasteland that leads only to one fear ...
that whatever you think you have been doing is right ... is wrong.
THAT'S !! YOUR CHICAGO BEARS BABY !!!
And the beauty of it is ... it's not 2018 yet. :)
Think about what you have to look forward to. :D
-
What is Josh Gordon worth, and would you pull the trigger? A 2nd rounder? A first?
-
a conditional 4th?
-
A pick this year, like a 3 and the conditional 4th the following year? I think he is a generational talent, it's whether he can stay off the weed. Big risk, big reward. The guy is built, he is fast. He has crap throwing to him.
I would love to see him in Navy and Orange... The Browns are so far away yet, they will likely deal him.
-
I like Method's suggestion. He has too many danger signs to offer more than a conditional pick.
-
Conditional 3rd maybe 4th but definitely not top 2 rounds.
-
One can dream.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 19 (BUF): Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist (B)
Round 1 Pick 25 (JAX): Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 6: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11 (ARI): Vita Vea, DT, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 25 (JAX): Dorance Armstrong Jr., DE/OLB, Kansas (A-)
Round 3 Pick 11 (ARI): Braden Smith, OT/OG, Auburn (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: Brandon Facyson, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 4 Pick 11: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (A)
Round 5 Pick 6: Jester Weah, WR, Pittsburgh (A)
Round 6 Pick 6: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland (A)
-
Can the Bears, with not a whole lot of picks and many needs, ignore the O-line this draft?
If they think Long and Sitton will be back to full health along with Massie, the Bears will be adding Eric Kush at guard next season (back from injuyr) as well as red-shirted 5th round draft pick Jordan Morgan.
If they do snag an olineman - which position and what round?
-
It all depends on the WR situation.
That clearly is the biggest weakness of the team.
I don't see how they cannot possibly sign a free agent regardless of the draft, and their activity also depends on the health of Cam Meredith.
Adding a FA and Meredith to Inman, Wright and possibly Bellamy as a special teamer would put them in a decent position.
The teams drafting ahead of the Bears, Giants, Colts 49ers and Texans have OL as their biggest draft need.
Looks like a good scenario to trade back if one's available or get the defensive stud.
The Cardinals at 12 and the Redskins at 14 might be players for Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen.
With Arden Key having a knee problem the last two months we might have a shot at Fitzpatrick as the new defensive leader and playmaker or one of the best corners.
-
OK, lets just look at the best top 10 picks. Thats QB. LOT, and edge rusher/OLB. If the QB position is good and OT has been gobbled up then its the perfect time to grab the best edge/OLB. That is just MY opinion. OTOH OLine is a weakness. I wasnt aware Morgan was IRed. But we clearly need a swing tackle to develop. Where you draft him depends on the QUALITY of the position heading into the draft and also strength of the position. We did get Leno in the 7th round. Just saying that it depends on what we like and how strong the draft is at that position where you draft that position and whether or not that need is filled in FA, which we dont know at this point. And it also depends on medical info we arent privy to. Pace may be the only one privy to that kind of info. Its just too early to pinpoint that. From what I have seen such as with the WR need, I have seen some very good WRs. That will be a strength of this draft. Round 2 should get you a high quality WR, hopefully a #1 type.
And right now I dont think the final strength of the draft class is available until after the NCAA season is over with as a lot depends on how many juniors declare for the draft.
A new coaching staff will also change the draft and its just too early to determine that either.
Personally I like to wait till after the combine to weigh talent
-
Trubisky isn't going to do jack squat without protection, so it's got to be OL and WR first,second or vice versa. Three top needs on the team are OL, WR, and LB as they've had lots of injuries to the LBs. Freeman was out all year and Trevathan was in, out, in, out. Honestly if they pick nothing in this draft but OL, WR and LB they're looking pretty good.....
-
They should also look at FA at all three positions to solidify them....
-
Both cornerbacks are free agents, what are you going to do there?
-
Trubisky isn't going to do jack squat without protection, so it's got to be OL and WR first,second or vice versa. Three top needs on the team are OL, WR, and LB as they've had lots of injuries to the LBs. Freeman was out all year and Trevathan was in, out, in, out. Honestly if they pick nothing in this draft but OL, WR and LB they're looking pretty good.....
But the problem is that if we draft 10-12 and the OTs graded 1st round are all gone you dont take an OT with your first round pick. You dont overreach. Thats what my post above says. You draft another position. And I sure wouldnt draft a WR that high. We already got burned doing that. Maybe drop down and get more picks or take a CB or OLB worthy, but never overreach.
-
Gotta resign your FA's is what they should do but we've seen what happened with Marshall and Jeffrey so who knows what they'll do at corner.....wideout went from a position of strength to weakness in short order. Wouldn't surprise me if they let that happen at corner, although corner isn't a position of strength, it is stronger than it's been in years. So depending on how they handle the corners, it could quickly be needing bodies there too. Like every year it seems they can't get everything they need in the draft or FA. But they cannot let both corners walk....
-
Here is an interesting article that should be paid attention to:
https://nflmocks.com/2017/12/25/chicago-bears-2018-mock-draft-sticking-to-the-plan/
I am not a fan of mocks at this time of year but drafting Clemson players usually works well. Again bring on the combine.
-
Extend Prince and tag Fuller is my guess.
-
Agreed, they are both serviceable. I'd like a couple of more tails to rotate with Hicks and Goldman on the inside - Bullard and two more, plus an outside backer if we keep the same scheme.
I wish there was a way to keep Callahan healthy because the difference that he and Trevation make to our defense is noticeable when they are out.
-
Prince I can understand. Fuller is a different animal. Tag him? Didnt we tag Jeffery? I think you make him your best offer and let him go. I doubt he stays without overpaying him. While I admit he is worth keeping, a high offer is just used to up the bidding price of a player who isnt interested in coming back like Alshon. Personally I'd be shocked if he wanted to be back here next year, even were he to say he wanted to be back. I'd just plan on replacing him.
-
Bears will need to sign a top FA CB or draft one in the top 2 rounds to replace Fuller. You saw the difference in our defense this year (ranked 8th) with quality CB/safety play with a decent but inconsistent pass rush. If you don't extend Fuller then you'll be paying someone else similar money. Fuller is 25 going on 26 and the Bears have a history with him. He plays the run well but lacks top end speed.
Amukamora might be had with another 1 year deal. He'll be 29 next year and hasn't recorded an interception since 2015 (he had one). I doube teams will be lining up big long term deals for him.
Marcus Cooper is signed thru 2019 at $5M per. That's starters money.
If you look at Pace's history he doesn't depend on draft choices starting (can't trust 'em). So even if he drafts a CB high he'll have to have at least 2 guys that he'll be comfortable starting ahead of the rookie.
Finally, why don't the Bears let Deoindre Hall get some reps at CB in the season finale?
-
It wouldnt hurt to let him play some. He needs experience and the season is a loss anyways, so whats one more loss? Its time to see what we have and need next year.
-
You'd think that, but Fox is desperate for wins, thinking that an upset at Minnesota might help him keep his job.
Would like to more of Roy Robertson-Harris too and maybe Rashaad Coward. Their few snaps are only because Unrein was put on IR a few weeks ago.
-
49ers winning easily, Denver losing badly. Looks like we will be drafting 8
-
If Tampa wins, do we pass them as well?
-
What if we wipe the slate clean and say this is what we need to win ?
What would that be in the draft ?
Other teams have done it.
Teams that suucked last year and always pegged as always losers ...
are not that now.
We need to be in that turnaround with smart draft picks.
THAT .................................... is up to Halas Hall.
The only god forsaken place that we could have any hope in.
Unless things change.
-
We climbed up to 8th with the SF victory over the Ram scrubs.
If Denver doesn't go offside they have a chance to upset the Chiefs. Tampa victory ties the Bears but their strength of schedule was .555 and the Bears was .559 so they draft 7th with needs of a pass rusher. But we get a better draft pick in later rounds as the teams with 5-11 record rotate after each round.
-
Georgia receiver Wims is the guy I want. Not first round, but just a nice tall, tough receiver. Football player
-
Georgia receiver Wims is the guy I want. Not first round, but just a nice tall, tough receiver. Football player
G34,
Keep us informed on his progress.
-
I'm now starting the rumor now - with the 8th pick in the draft the Chicago Bears take...Saquon Barkley.
Now do the Bears really need a HB...no, not really, but some think he's the best football player in the draft. I'm thinking with all the QBs shooting up to the top of the round and Minkah Fitzpatrick a top 3 pick plus everybody is saying the Bucs take the DE Chubb from NC state at 7.
Maybe Barkley slips to 8.
And oh BTW, the 49ers at 9 are hot for Barkley too. So I say San Fran, if you want Barkley then you better fork over that 3rd rounder we gave you last year for Trubisky! Cuz if you don't take him I'm sure another team would love to sneak in ahead of you.
-
I've heard Barkley is 5/10 205, is that big enough to draft that high?
-
5'11" 229
Still, a running back?
-
G34,
Keep us informed on his progress.
JJ - Watch for yourself this coming Monday in the National Championship. He had a decent game against Oklahoma... 6 catches for 73 yards and a score
Javon Wims
-
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/138700/javon-wims
3rd to 5th round. Perfect
-
If you are going to duplicate positions we have covered I'd take Mayfield at #8 if he were there. I'm hearing the SC and UCLA QBs are going higher than Mayfield. Mayfield is way too good to pass on like Garoppolo who SF got a steal on
-
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/138700/javon-wims
3rd to 5th round. Perfect
Recently reported we have two 4rth rounders ... take him there ?
-
Maybe. He'll also be in the East West Shrine game, so the guy wants to put it on the field
-
I know we need receivers but I watched the Memphis bowl game and they blanketed that Miller or whatever the WR's name was. There are better WR's available
-
I'll say this. Pace blew it on White. He better not fail on the next WR. And we sure need WRs....#1's. Maybe the new HC has a better handle on who is a stud and who is a dud. Lets hope so
-
No way am I advocating actually drafting and keeping Barkley, but my intent is to generate interest from maybe the Seahawks or the 49ers to trade with us. Right now I like a trade down at 8 and Barkley could be an Elliott or Gurley playmaker type.
No way does Pace or any GM take a Mayfield or Rosen or Darnold even if they slip to 8.
I don't know how anyone could criticize Pace for taking White. He was ranked right where he was picked. If he was healthy and turned out to be a dud then it was bad scouting. But White played 23 games at West Virginia and had nothing close to the injuries he's had with the Bears.
-
I'll say this. Pace blew it on White. He better not fail on the next WR. And we sure need WRs....#1's. Maybe the new HC has a better handle on who is a stud and who is a dud. Lets hope so
I would rather go after a true number 1 through trade or free agency. You cannot expect to draft and have a receiver play like a 1 the first year. Sure, it happens, but it is the rarity. Shuster Smith is the only receiver I think that is playing like a first round choice from last years draft and every team passed on him in the first round.
Not sure who is available in trade, but Jarvis Landry would check the box for me.
White was rated a high first round choice and unfortunately it did not work out. Hoping he is getting by this curse!
-
I know we need receivers but I watched the Memphis bowl game and they blanketed that Miller or whatever the WR's name was. There are better WR's available
And did you see what Memphis’s D did to Courtland Sutton?
Judging a guy on one game is beyond dumb.
-
Thats why they have the combine. It tends to sort out the good from the bad. Lets hope the new coaching staff figures that out and we draft better.
-
No way does Pace or any GM take a Mayfield or Rosen or Darnold even if they slip to 8.
And I didnt think any GM would take a QB in the top ten last year and it happened. If you are betting your life nobody takes a QB this year in the top 8 you are a dead man walking. The QBs are better quality this year than last year. I would believe in $3 bills with Obama pics on them before no QBs before #8. Per the line in the commercial, "Oh its happening sweetheart."
-
I look forward to the combine too, but sometimes the combine elevates the more athletic players and knocks down the lesser athletic ones.
Look at wide receiver. There were 3 receivers take in round 1 last year (all top 10). Three more taken in round 2 (two in top 10). The best one of the bunch was the guy taken at the end of round 2 and he had the slowest 40 time of the bunch. The five guys taken before him had 4.2 and 4.3 40s but none were very productive though some of that was due to injury.
I look at this year's WR group and I'm thinking...not in round 1. Maybe after a trade down later in round 1 but certainly not at 8. WRs are like thoroughbred race horses - brittle.
-
And I didnt think any GM would take a QB in the top ten last year and it happened. If you are betting your life nobody takes a QB this year in the top 8 you are a dead man walking. The QBs are better quality this year than last year. I would believe in $3 bills with Obama pics on them before no QBs before #8. Per the line in the commercial, "Oh its happening sweetheart."
I don't think I stated that clearly. I meant to say Pace or any GM in Pace's position. I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 QBs in the top 10 in the 2018 draft.
.
-
The more qbs go in the top of the first, the more guys who we could use will get pushed down to us.
-
I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 QBs in the top 10 in the 2018 draft.
Exactly. And you talked about threatening to take Barkley at 8 to force a trade. If somehow somebody is foolish enough to leave Mayfield at #8, I can bet the Bears phone will be ringing off the wall to trade up to #8 for Mayfield. Furthermore, despite having Trubisky if I were Pace and Mayfield were there at #8, I would take him and store him like the Pats did with Garoppolo. I think Mayfield is that good, not that I think Trubisky isnt going to be a quality QB. I just think Mayfield has a higher upside than Trubisky. IMHO Mayfield is worthy of #1 in this draft. I believe this draft is really QB rich.
And another thing, with injuries having 2 quality QBs is getting to be a must.
-
Bears were 5-11 and really can't afford to stockpile a young QB with a #8 pick with so many critical holes on their roster. Now the Patriots did draft Grappolo with one of the last picks in the 2nd round but they were a playoff team and Brady was probably around 34 or 35 and thought Grappolo would be the heir apparent. Well, Brady just kept performing right through Grapplo's rookie contract, forcing the trade.
I was thinking that the Bears could take offers for Barkley, if available at 8, because SF could be a landing spot for him. Maybe get a team like Seattle interested in trading up to get the 49ers to bite and trade with us. Could it happen? Maybe...but not very likely. 49ers need also receivers, offensive linemen and CBs too but Barkley might be too tempting in a one slot trade up.
If Mayfield is there at 8 - not sure teams will have to trade with the Bears. At 9 is SF and they have Grappolo, at 10 is Raiders with Carr. So those teams are also candidates. Might come down to whether any of those teams want to trade down.
Now 11 - 17, you could make a case for Miami, Cincy, Washington, Green Bay, Arizona, Baltimore and the Chargers taking a QB. So there might be a team wanting to trade up with the Bears or the 2 teams after them to take a QB.
But the Bears will need a backup QB - Glennon will be cut and Sanchez is a FA. I'm thinking they'll be looking at vets but another rookie in rounds 6 or 7 is a possibility.
-
OL in the 1st. trade down and grab Q if possible,
-
I dont see any premier Olineman worthy of a top 10 pick, even the one most mentioned is bad and that is ND's Mike McGlinchey. He sucks canal water
-
His teammate (guard) is probably rated higher. Can't say that I'm that enthused about taking the UT tackle early either coming off an injury.
Bears could take an offensive lineman with a trade down in round 1 or possibly defer to round 2 or later...round 4? We don't need a LT - Leno is solid. Bears can draft a RT type that can play inside a year (replace Sitton or Long if needed) then eventually slide over to RT when Massie's contract ends after 2018.
I'm almost ready to prioritize O-line over an edge guy...
-
I look forward to the combine too, but sometimes the combine elevates the more athletic players and knocks down the lesser athletic ones.
Look at wide receiver. There were 3 receivers take in round 1 last year (all top 10). Three more taken in round 2 (two in top 10). The best one of the bunch was the guy taken at the end of round 2 and he had the slowest 40 time of the bunch. The five guys taken before him had 4.2 and 4.3 40s but none were very productive though some of that was due to injury.
I look at this year's WR group and I'm thinking...not in round 1. Maybe after a trade down later in round 1 but certainly not at 8. WRs are like thoroughbred race horses - brittle.
No argument from me, I see the same thing. Start drafting WR's late 2nd round and back.
-
Please, please do not waste a late round pick on a qb. Just throwing away a draft asset. Since 1995 with the drafting of Brunell, Brady, Brunell and Cousins are the exceptions, how many qbs drafted after 4th round hit it in the NFL? The draft is much more sophisticated and for a lottery QB chance in 23 years, I'd rather roll the dice on a later round offensive lineman or a higher ceiling skill player that missed because of injury like an Eddie Jackson. I know we drafted him in the 4th round, but I would rather take his comp in a later rounds than take the chance that a late round QB will pan out to be something.
The Patriots drafted Garappolo in the late 2nd round, and turned that into a high 2nd round pick after he played in 3 games. In my opinion that is hardly a great return. For those with the argument that you grab one late because you are so smart and turn it into a higher draft choice.
-
My priorities would be to tag or sign Fuller, and hopefully resign Prince to a 2 or 3 year deal. Release Cooper. Draft the best CB or d lineman/outside line backer. 2nd round, consider what you didn't draft in the first round, and add offensive lineman to the mix. Then start looking at wide receivers that aren't necessarily sprinters but get open and catch, nice frame. Those guys are a little easier to find, and with Meredith going down, we didn't have one until we obtained Inman. The Packers have done a nice job of drafting receivers later, something like what they have done. You may have to dip into the late 2nd round to get that one, but that is where I value the WR position in our needs and the risk.
-
Not me. I still think we need an edge rusher and at #8 with a boatload of premier QBs in this draft we could come out with the best player provided we are smart enough. Count me as obsessed.
-
Your score is: 20266 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 15 (ARI): Connor Williams, OT, Texas (A)
Round 2 Pick 8: James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State (A)
Round 2 Pick 15 (ARI): Vita Vea, DT, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 15 (ARI): Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 8: Lorenzo Carter, OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 15: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 8: Javon Wims, WR, Georgia (A)
Round 6 Pick 8: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Cole Madison, OT, Washington State (A-)
Your Future Picks:
2019 Round 1 Pick
2020 Round 1 Pick
-
You have to be impressed Fuller and Amakamura stayed healthy all season. Especially Amakamura who has a long injury history to the point the Giants gave up on him.
The Bears spot in the draft is pretty interesting as well as risky.
seems everyone has Chubb as the best pass rusher and an early pick leaving us Arden Key if we want one. But (I don't watch a lot of college) it looks like he's had injuries this year and missed their bowl game.
Same for the OT Williams. I saw some of the Notre Dame tackle and there was one game early where he really struggled with a speed rusher.
I would love to have Fitzpatrick but looks like he'll go before our pick. Unless we lose one to FA we have 4 DB's who played well and stayed healthy.
We may be left seeing at 8 the best WR's and interior LB's on the board. Is Calvin Ridley as good as Amari Cooper? Is the next Urlacher out there at LB?
Overall unless someone drops I would love to trade back a bit and get the third round pick back.
-
I suspect the draft will come down to the love and needs for the QBs. Clearly there is going to be some serious wheeling and dealing. Its difficult at this point to say who is going to be there at #8, but I do like the odds that a very good defensive player will be there. As for the cries for an OLman, I will wait to see what comes out of the combine. And I havent heard about what happened to the Wisky Olinemen. But just a guess is that the quality isnt worthy of 1st round grade or at least high 1st round grade. That makes the bowl games and the combine very important.
-
You can be sure 4 QB's are going early.
-
That is what I believe.
-
I saw some of the Notre Dame tackle and there was one game early where he really struggled with a speed rusher.
I saw every game of McGlinchey's career and I dont think he will develop into an elite LT. He might be an upgrade over Leno in a year or two, but that is not worth a #8 pick. I think his teammate Nelson could be an elite OG, but I dont think that he's worth the #8 either. The ND OL is way overhyped every preseason, but never plays up to it IMO. If Pace trades down into the teens with a qb hungry team then maybe they take one of those guys. If they stay at 8, I'd take the best edge available, maybe go Fitzpatrick if he's there.
-
Not me. I still think we need an edge rusher and at #8 with a boatload of premier QBs in this draft we could come out with the best player provided we are smart enough. Count me as obsessed.
My outside backer was meant to be an edge rusher... assuming we keep the 3 / 4. Cornerback or edge rusher for me At 8, and with 3 possible QB selections, we should be in line for a good one
-
In the mock I posted earlier, both Key and Fitzpatrick were available at 8, but Arizona offered their 1, 2, and 3 to move up 7 spots, so I took their deal.
Key went to SF with the next pick, Fitz actually fell to 14, which hurt a bit...
-
Interesting:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/d2c8249a-623a-3c3a-97f9-9b1c2a5dbc5c/ss_2018-nfl-mock-draft%3A-browns.html
-
And NO, I wouldnt take Calvin Ridley at #8
1st-Round Mock Draft
1. Cleveland Browns: Sam Darnold, QB, USC
2. New York Giants: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
3. Indianapolis Colts: Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
4. Cleveland Browns (via HOU): Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
5. Denver Broncos: Connor Williams, OT, Texas
6. New York Jets: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Harold Landry, DE, Boston College
8. Chicago Bears: Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
9. Oakland Raiders: Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa
10. San Francisco 49ers: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame
11. Miami Dolphins: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
12. Cincinnati Bengals: Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
13. Washington Redskins: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
14. Green Bay Packers: Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
15. Arizona Cardinals: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville
16. Baltimore Ravens: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
17. Los Angeles Chargers: Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
18. Seattle Seahawks: Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
19. Dallas Cowboys: Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson
20. Detroit Lions: Arden Key, DE, LSU
21. Buffalo Bills: Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson
22. Atlanta Falcons: Derwin James, SS, FSU
23. Tennessee Titans: Sam Hubbard, DE, Ohio State
24. Carolina Panthers: James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
25. Buffalo Bills (via KC): Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma
26. New Orleans Saints: Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M
27. Jacksonville Jaguars: Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State
28. Los Angeles Rams: Malik Jefferson, LB, Texas
29. Pittsburgh Steelers: Minkah Fitzpatrick, FS, Alabama
30. Minnesota Vikings: Billy Price, OL, Ohio State
31. Philadelphia Eagles: Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
-
there is no way Fitzpatrick falls to 29....
-
Nope...
-
And there is a good chance he doesnt fall below #8.
-
An interesting read on how many teams may be interested in QBs
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21836489/2018-nfl-draft-quarterback-class-preview-background-scouting-reports-pro-fits
-
Trade partners
Redskins at 13, Cardinals at 15. Bills have 22 and 24
-
Trade partners
Redskins at 13, Cardinals at 15. Bills have 22 and 24
So based on the chart, what would the Redskins, Cardinals, and Bills have to offer to acquire our 1?
-
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
#8 is worth 1400 points.
#13 is 1150 Probably a 1&2(450) this year or #1 this year and #1 next year.
#15 is 1050 1, 2 and late rounder or another combo 1 this year one next and a later round this or next.
#22 is 780 Both 1s this year. Or one this and next year plus multiple late rounders.
#24 is 740
I don't know if there are values on future picks since you don't know the positions. Maybe there is a chart for what value each pick as for each round?
And all this might be using an old chart.
-
And it was an old chart... Article was dated 2010. This article is 2017.
NFL teams have revised the draft trade chart
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 30, 2017, 7:37 PM EST
Getty Images
When Jimmy Johnson took over the Cowboys, he developed a draft trade chart that revolutionized the way draft-day trades worked in the NFL. Johnson had such success with trades involving draft picks that other teams quickly copied the Cowboys’ chart, and soon every team was using it.
But that was a long time ago, before the salary cap and long before the rookie wage scale in the current Collective Bargaining Agreement. The old chart doesn’t really fit in a league where teams have a finite amount of cap space and have to consider how each rookie’s contract will fit under that cap. As a result, teams have developed a new trade chart.
Seahawks General Manager John Schneider said his team has a new chart, updated this year because this is the first year when compensatory picks can be traded. Schneider also indicated that the Seahawks know other teams around the league are valuing picks the same way.
“It’s based off of that, but now being able to trade compensatory picks, [Seahawks V.P. of Football Administration] Matt Thomas and a bunch of guys got together from different teams and put a new chart together so we’re following that now but it’s based off the same principle. It’s a scale,” Schneider said.
Teams don’t make their charts public, but Rich Hill of PatsPulpit.com tracked every pick-for-pick trade that has been made in the NFL since the adoption of the new rookie wage scale in 2012 and used those trades to put together a new chart that shows how teams value picks under the new system. The Seahawks made three trades during this year’s draft, and those trades closely aligned with Hill’s chart, suggesting that chart closely matches the new chart the Seahawks and other teams are using.
Trades don’t always perfectly align with the chart because teams are sometimes willing to overpay to move up for a player they love. But the new chart is usually a good indication of what teams can expect to get in a trade of picks. It’s Johnson’s innovation from three decades ago, updated for today’s NFL.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8422367/Capture.PNG)
-
I've read that most folks discount the next years pick by 15 spots..
IE next years 1-1 is given this years pick 16 slot value for trade purposes.
-
I've read that most folks discount the next years pick by 15 spots..
IE next years 1-1 is given this years pick 16 slot value for trade purposes.
So if they have this years 15th pick and they are offering next years first you set the value at this years #30? So using the chart above the 8=405.8. They offer this years first (#15=315.2) and next years first (#30 value=196.31) for a total trade value of 511.51?
I hope I figured that out. 511.51>405.8=Excellent trade down value for dropping 7 slots.
-
next years 1-1 is pick 16s value...
But that is just a rumor, who knows maybe they have a 2nd year trade chart... that is different.
so this years 15th and next years 1st from the same team = 315.20+190.21
-
When I do those mocks, Arizona always offers me their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks to move up from 15 to 8.
I take the deal every time.
-
Several mocks have the Bears taking Calvin Ridley of Alabama. After watching the game last night - is there anyone else that you'd like the Bears to take from either team in any round?
-
da'ron payne on UA and raquan smith on GA
-
i have liked Wims from Ga, he got hurt last night in the 1st half.
-
What method said, plus CB Tony Brown, OLB Lorenzo Carter, and RB Bo Scarborough...who would easily fill Logport’s requirements for RB size...
-
We don't need a RB. Especially him.
-
Hope Brown falls to us... if not try and trade down with the Bills... then take Chukwuma Okorafor and Da'Ron Payne
-
THE BIG THREE OF CHICAGO BEARS INJURY'S ...
year in ... year motherfuuckin out ...
you can set the clock in your mancave by it.
WR
LB
OL.
Find 16 game starters in those three positions ...
AND DRAFT THEM !
Your life will become more happy.
We'll be amazed at what 16 game starters can do when they are not riding pine.
Ohhh ... and get a kicker. :D
-
Peke...you wouldn’t take Scarborough on day 3?
-
How many RBs can we carry? 40?
-
How many RBs can we carry? 40?
38 1/2
-
But do we have one his size? With his speed?
-
Day 3 sure.
-
That’s where I have seen him projected.
-
FWIW - CBS sports projects the Bears taking:
8. Chicago Bears
Christian Wilkins, DE, Clemson. If the Bears re-sign Mitch Unrein, or if Key or Chubb make it to No. 8, the Bears are probably going to go in a different direction. But with how the board plays out here, Wilkins would seemingly be a great fit as a 3-4 base end that can kick inside in nickel downs and be just as effective getting into the backfield. New coach Matt Nagy may want to give Mitchell Trubisky a new No. 1 weapon, but that strategy makes most sense after a trade down. Any team targeting a quarterback may want to give Chicago a call if their desired prospect is still on the board here.
Wilkins does not project to a 3-4 OLB - he'd be a 3-4 DE. He would be a nice addition to Hicks but I might be thinking trade down if the draft falls this way.
-
I have said for years they need an end opposite Hicks. Unrein doesnt get it. Bullard and Roy Robertson Harris have been tried. Right now the biggest need is an OLB/edge rusher on defense especially at #8. Down lower for CB. INOW, if you dont take that pass rusher at #8 and drop down to say 15 then take the best corner or take that OG from ND, although I am not wild about taking a guard that high. If Nelson is that beast that he has been called then I guess we should target him
-
Akeem has only been here 2 years.
And I really appreciate what Unrein does for the Bears but he is not a pass rusher. Can we address 3-4 DE later in the draft and can Bullard and Robertson-Harris grow into a starting role?
Not too minimize the value of 3-4 DEs or guards but maybe you can get those guys later in the draft. At #8 I want a playmaker type...I don't see a WR at 8 I like and I'm not sure if an OLB will be there for the Bears.
Bears could go in any number of different directions...trade up/trade down/CB/OLB/WR for sure and maybe DE/OT.
-
I havent seen any OTs any better in college games than Leno. Where we have the problem is the other side. Those you target lower. Maybe 3rd or 4th round. We really need a young stud OT to bring in to be the backup swing tackle in the event of injury to your starters. And Leno cant play RT. The blocking is different.
-
I saw a mock today that had the ND OG going at 5. Just saying.
-
I think we are in a great position for a trade down. Two QBs will go 1&2. Then the top players at their positions, I don't know all the names. But I think Mayfield did us a favor playing so well and that maybe where he goes.
Not sure that this is the draft where Pace trades up again. We can use more picks.
-
In his last 2 drafts he's traded up in round 1 and down in round 2.
Defensively, we desperately need CB and OLB. Offensively, WR and maybe O-line.
I'd like the see the Bears end up with adding a 3rd rounder: 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 would be nice.
-
I saw a mock today that had the ND OG going at 5. Just saying.
IMHO thats way too high for an OG, even 15 is high....just saying
That high is reserved for potential all pro LTs and I havent seen any of those in this draft
-
Plus, we do have Jordan Morgan, last year's 5th rounder, returning from his rookie redshirt year...and Eric Kush is signed thru 2018 but is more of a solid backup at C/G.
And can we squeeze another year out of Sitton and can all the king's men put Kyle Long back together again?
-
Jordan Morgan, is he the one who the Bears coached in the Senior Bowl? and Kush is the backup guard/center we desperately missed this past season. Who if anybody is the backup OT who backsup Leno and Massie? If you are going to develop a solid line for next year there is where you invest a draft pick.
-
Did anyone from Wisconsin's offensive line declare for the NFL draft? They had one of the best I saw.
-
Still a lot of time for players to move up and down the draft boards.
-
The Bears OTs were the most healthy of any position last season. Leno played every snap and Massie got hurt in game 15 and replaced by Bradley Sowell in game 16 (he was the guy that drew the 15 yard penalty for diving at a fallen Viking defender). Sowell and the other FA veteran lineman Compton have expiring contracts.
Massie is adequate...he's got another year on his deal. A 3rd or 4th rounder RT this year might be a good idea.
-
That would suit me fine.
-
Might even find something in FA to be a swing OT.
-
I saw a mock today that had the ND OG going at 5. Just saying.
that was the CBS mock... they are all over the place, they have the cowboys taking a OT in the 1st... their mock makes almost no sense.
-
Chubb Is an interesting guy:
https://beargoggleson.com/2017/12/26/five-prospects-chicago-bears-seriously-consider-2018-nfl-draft/
Remember its still early and pre combine
-
Remember they have to be 16 game starters.
-
...but not necessarily in 2018.
-
Ferrell and Bryant are both returning to Clemson next season. This hurts the edge rusher pool quite a bit.
Chubb, Key, and Landry appear to be the top 3 in a much smaller field now...
-
Every mock draft I've seen has Chubb and Fitzpatrick gone by 8.
But you never know how Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson and the QB from Wyoming (who some scouts say has the most ability) will affect the top 10.
-
I expect push coming to shove and more than 2 QBs in the top 10. A lot depends on the combine too.
-
Interesting:
https://dawindycity.com/2018/01/14/5-wide-receivers-the-bears-should-consider-drafting/
-
Blah.
-
Good grief man these arent 1st rounders they were talking about but later picks for the Bears to choose. Most dont believe the Bears are going to draft a WR in the 1st round. Not that there isnt a need for quality WRs.
-
I like Tate.
The rest, meh...
-
Looking at their past history (have you looked ?) ... are they 16 game starters ?
Pine sitters belong on other teams. Not our team.
-
I would assume that none of them have ever started 16 games in a season...
-
I would assume that none of them have ever started 16 games in a season...
But can they start 16 games in a season ?
-
Anybody know anything about the Kicker class of 2018 ?
-
Jackie I personally like the Auburn kicker Carlson.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/550032/daniel-carlson
-
I like the Georgia kicker. He has the leg and accuracy to make it in the NFL.
Blankenship, but he is only a sophomore.
-
I'd like the Bears to re-sign Inman and Kendall Wright. There isn't a whole lot in free agency. Big names include Sammy Watkins and Jarvis Landry. If you sign one of the top guys I could see the Bears holding off on a WR to round 2 or later if the FA is in his mid 20s.
Otherwise WR moves up in priority. Not at 8 but maybe a diluted first rounder or 2nd rounder.
-
Is K really a need if Santos comes back healthy?
-
It's incredible how these playoff teams get into field goal range once they reach their opponents 40 yard line.
-
Is K really a need if Santos comes back healthy?
Who knows, competition sure wouldnt hurt. Do we have to use our 7th on a kicker? Depends on chances to get one if nobody selects a kicker in the draft
-
There were 3 kickers drafted last season - all won starting jobs (but not necessarily with the team that drafted them):
5 153 Cincinnati Bengals Elliott, Jake Memphis
7 224 Cleveland Browns Gonzalez, Zane Arizona State f/NYJ
7 233 Carolina Panthers Butker, Harrison Georgia Tech f/Ind/Cle
(Elliott ended up with the Eagles and Butker played for the Chiefs).
The guy taken last was probably the best of the bunch.
-
To me the 7th round or even 6th is perfect for kicker. Rarely do you find a keeper during those rounds for other positions. However usually K makes the team if drafted.
-
Drafting a kicker is much better than taking a flier on a late round QB that never works out!
-
Seems there should be plenty of UDFA kickers available instead of using a pick on one....
-
Bears recent 7th rounders:
2017 - none
2016 - Daniel Braverman
2015 - none
2014 - Charles Leno
2013 - Marquess Wilson
-
Seems there should be plenty of UDFA kickers available instead of using a pick on one....
Understood, but my point was I am much more agreeable to drafting a kicker late than hitting the Powerball and getting the next Brady or Cousins...
-
I sure wouldnt be against a 7th on a kicker. we could use one for sure even if its just to have some competition. 7th rounders dont usually pan out anyways. Once in a while you can get lucky
-
Carlson is the best one I’ve seen...
-
If Nelson is there at 8 I wouldnt mind so much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi3Um_aHdMk
-
Not a sexy pick for sure...but I could almost live with it. Almost.
If we drafted Nelson we'd have a 2nd rounder at center, and two first round guards.
-
Q has the chance to be an all-pro at his position from day one.... i wouldnt complain one bit with that pick.
-
I dont subscribe to taking an OG that early.
-
Just mentioned him in the other topic...word is he’s a beast.
-
See its like this.....The NFL has basically a pay format. The LT makes the most, then the RT and so on. Its why OGs dont get drafted as high as OTs.You just dont draft an OG in the top ten and you dont draft kickers in the first round. Just trying to say #8 is a tad high for an OG.
-
If you watch the tape he moves at 335 with power and speed. The guy is an absolute stud. I think he will be gone before 8. BUT....if we could get him and Long got healthy and back to form, with Whitehair at C, talk about a great interior line....
-
He really looks like the best player in teh draft, getting him at 8 might be a steal. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Browns take him at 4 with their second pick.
-
They have so many needs. I'd call it more of a shock. Then again they draft crazy anyways.
-
I agree, Q will probably be gone before 8. Hesitating on him at 8 because of his position is like the teams passing up on Donald because he was too small at DT. BPA.
-
The mocks I have seen have the Browns taking a QB at 1 and the CB Fitzpatrick at 4. IF they take Q, that just means someone else has to drop down to us.
-
I thought Fitzpatric was a safety and paired with Jackson at Alabama
-
He replaced Jackson at safety when he got injured. He was a corner before then.
The general consensus is he can play anywhere. His 40 time might cement that assumption.
-
Nelson locks up with the defender and just drives them backwards and keeps on it. Love that....also like his lateral vision. Him seeing that defender coming on a blitz on the other side of the line and nailing him is just outstanding.
-
His highlight reel is pretty impressive.
-
Just saying lets look hard at kicker for the last draft pick.
After last season everybody and their brother either couldn't kick or were injured.
Where did kickers get their teams in the upcoming final four ?
It's not a position that's a throwaway position ... it counts.
Hell , since Gould rejuvenated himself ... I'd take him back. :D
Better then what we had last season.
Our needs are obvious in the first round ...
rebuild the big three of injury's .
Which brings us to :
WR
LB
OL.
Our DEFENSE did ok.
What does that narrow it down to ?
What was lacking #1 ?
What did we all say that MT could not throw to because they were not there ?
OL ? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... Methinks we are narrowing it down.
16 game starters at a skill position ... Gimme two !
Three ?
3 rookies going deep for MT to toss to ?
I dunno.
It depends on HALAS HALLS perception ...
if they feel they have the balls to beat the Patriots in a world class showdown.
Because we have to think past the Packers for all the marbles. ;D
-
Of all the jerks in the NFL broadcasting field this guy takes the cake. I dont think he knows his butt from a whole in the ground: But.....
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/mel-kiper-bears-calvin-ridley-espn-mock-draft/
I hope not.
-
That's the first mock I've seen with Allen going #1. It's a long time until April so I guess it could happen.
I don't like seeing Chubb go so early. Cuz that could mean Arden Key goes off the board to the Bucs at 7.
So that's my guy right now.
As for Ridley, so what if he's better than the other receivers in the draft. Is he worthy of a #8 pick? Is he a game changer? He could very well be.
Alabama did not have a strong passer this season so Ridley's numbers could have been better. He's a guy that if he runs a 4.35 40 at the combine could cement his spot in top 10.
-
Yup. Its all about the combine. Thats the game changer.
I too like Chubb. It all depends to me if the lionesses tag Ansah. I just dont see them not tagging him. Thus I favor Chubb. We have to wait till March to find out for sure.
When are the Senior Bowl and the EW Shrine games?
-
If we go WR, I like Sutton
https://youtu.be/yD6tS0iyZJA
-
I really think in this draft we should go pass rushing OLB in 1st, because there are not that many special ones.
If we go that route I like Landry
https://youtu.be/ZxcRp2ars4A
-
Isnt there some off field issues with Key???
-
Courtland Sutton - He looks good against the slow corners he faced in the American Athletic what the heck conference? I'd like to see his 40 time but I think he's definite 1st rounder...not at 8...maybe after a trade down.
Arden Key - A bigger Leonard Floyd at 6-6 265...maybe faster too. Not only has off field issues but was injured last year. Bears will have to do their homework, but can you imagine offenses having to game plan both Floyd and Key?
Harold Landry - Haven't read much on him - maybe after a short trade down...but at 8?
-
As much as we need a top receiver, I like the idea of a top OL, CB, or defensive OLB/DE in this draft as a top choice. I won't lose sleep if they take a WR though. I just think the draft has proved that you can find WR's throughout the draft... as well as OL. But I am intrigued on building a young powerhouse Oline and the two ND lineman are strong prospects and could be the top players chosen at their position group.
We are blessed that there could be 4 QBs taken in the first 8 picks. We will have a great choice if that happens, regardless of position. One thing I like about Pace, he researches and moves with conviction when his guy is in sight. Would really be a tell, if he trades down in the first round, meaning his guy was selected.
-
Or that he has no "guy" but has 6 or 7 guys later in round one and does a trade down.
-
Or a combination of both.
-
Nice notice about the Senior Bowl:
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/19/3-wrs-the-bears-should-pay-close-attention-to-at-the-2018-senior-bowl/
-
With more and more players opting out of their teams bowl games - you wonder how many are going to do the same for these type of games.
-
Pretty correct if I remember but I think the idea is to put points on the board.
Since we have no airball ... wouldn't it be wise to stock up on airball going deep ...
for a QB to toss to ?
Or am I missing something from a 5-11 team always out of the playoffs ?
Get a kicker in the last round. ;D
-
Here are two of the WR's I am hoping for in 3rd round. Miller reminds me of Steve Smith, small but strong with a BA attitude. I think these two guys will both turn out to be steals in the draft. I think Moore is faster, which may translate better in NFL.
https://youtu.be/nC_I-ODggSQ
https://youtu.be/zv-won1skYY
-
I would target Phillips in the 4th. He will be a nickle CB because of his size. However immediate impact on ST. Most dynamic return man since Devon Hester IMO. Speed kills.
https://youtu.be/bHTQLLIALbg
-
Hiber,
Keep the WR's coming ! A specialist KR/CB has to be in the mix for consideration.
Speed kills opposing defenses. Let's do it right this draft.
What's their track record projected being 16 game starters ?
We don't need bench warming supahstahs.
Already have that.
-
Hiber - I like your receivers and this is the round I would target getting help at that position. I am wondering though, aren't we short our 3rd rounder this year? Regarding Phillips, I am going to go and watch the highlight reel. The only thing, I wonder if he would last until 4th if he has Hester return ability?
Any SEC receivers you would target after the 1st round?
-
Yes we gave up our third in the Trubisky trade up. The good thing is this seems to be a strong WR draft. We have 2 4th this year because Pace traded down last year in the 2nd round.
-
I am interested in watching the Senior Bowl this coming Saturday. I want to see the Receivers and QBs in the game, maybe an Olineman too. I am sure Pace and company will be scouting Mobile this week. Keep your ears to the ground like a good indian. I am sure it will come known who the Bears talked to this week.
-
One specific player I want a look at is James Washington. Nobody is talking about him. Too good not to have his name mentioned. Certainly more productive than Alabama's Ridley. He had 3 solid years at Oklahoma State. He should pass the JJ test.
-
Production has little to do with a WR's pro potential.
Ridley in an offense like OSU's or Memphis's would have been unstoppable.
That's not saying Washington isn't a damn good receiver, though...
-
Just about every mock has him going in mid to late first round. Maybe a little short at 5-11.
As for Ridley, I think his numbers probably suffer in comparison due to the depth of WRs at Alabama and their QB.
-
Sorry, not a Ridley or Alabama fan. There is more talent available other than Alabama players.
-
Another thing about this years senior bowl is the QB talent this year isnt limited to the top 3. Its a deep QB draft including Mayfield and Rudolph.
-
Ridley is arguably the best WR in the draft. But is he worthy of the Bears' pick at 8?
This Notre Dame guard is kind of growing on me. Despite the Bears having a decent run game they still led the league in negative runs. Part of the problem is their offense was predictable and defenses didn't fear the pass. But Howard needs at least a small hole to get going. He's not a guy that can manufacture a hole. So there is a need.
-
Yes Nelson is growing on me too although I still prefer a small tradedown. Conor Williams is also creeping up. Also of note is that Pace comes from the New Orleans school. New Orleans relies on late round players for their offensive lines. He drafted Morgan in the 5th last year. Pace I doubt is a Oline 1st round guy. At least I havent seen that tendency so far
-
Another tendacy I see in Pace is to draft small school players like Shaheen and Cohen.
Another player to watch Saturday is an OT Cappa or something like that from Humbolt State. He could fill a need later in the draft if he plays well. Sounds like a Pace kind of player
-
I see Ridley is listed at 6'1/190 and Washington is listed at 6'/205, not a whale of a lot of difference. Speed and shiftiness might. Maybe the combine will tell some difference
-
Humboldt State is so small though, it's like the guy hasn't played college football/
-
It appears Washington has grown an inch. I'd like to see how he times in the 40. If I a guy is going to be around 6 foot he better be a speedster, otherwise I'd be leaning toward getting a taller receiver around 6-3 or 6-4 similar to Alshon Jeffery, the 3rd leading receiver in yards in Chicago Bears history.
Speaking of growing an inch - it will be interesting to see how tall Baker Mayfield really is.
-
I have a feeling if we want Nelson OG we will have to move up to get him. Just a hunch.
-
Humboldt State is so small though, it's like the guy hasn't played college football.
Absolutely agree, just like Ashland is which is why its important to see how he does against the the big boys on Saturday to have a measuring stick.
-
Speaking of growing an inch, I'd like to grow an inch or two too. Woo Hoo!
-
some more CBS crap:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-broncos-land-saquon-barkley-bears-select-calvin-ridley/
I think there is a lot of movement up and down in the top ten. And I dont see an edge rusher here before #8.
-
Griz,
I think Callawayl out of UF could be real interesting late round pick. He has serious character issues, but tons of talent. More likely to be a bust than a hit. He has serious speed and can stretch the field. As you know we need that desperately.
https://youtu.be/C7wrtQbzvYg
-
Newsworthy:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-and-new-coaches-descend-upon-senior-bowl-so-heres-4-things-to-know/
-
I watched the NFL Network coverage of the 1st days practice at the Senior Bowl and they had James Washington on there and Dallas was right Washington measured 5'10 3/4" and he does run like greased lightning. And his reach was measured at 34" which is long. He probably isnt a 1st day WR. He still has value though.
-
Have they measured Baker Mayfield yet?
They say he’s 6-1.
-
He wasn’t 6’1, but the first number was a 6...
Maybe 6’ 3/8”?
-
When I watched they said he was a late arrival and that he would be measured after he finished practice
-
Todays practice will be on TV at 1pm ET
-
Wow this really suucks.
I said last year lets go apeshiit on defense and wait until this year to go QB.
Now there he is in Mason Rudolph and we can't get him. >:(
We fuuucked this one up big time.
Mason Rudolph is going to multiple Superbowls.
MEANWHILE ...
Calvin Ridley WR for MT in the first. ;D
Damn ! We could have had a V8 !
Uhhhh ... could we trade MT for MR ?
It's still not too late. ;)
-
Earlier I speculated on this, LOL:
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/23/will-humboldt-states-alex-cappa-be-ryan-paces-next-small-school-draft-pick/
Day 2? No way. He has a lot of work to do to get to Day 2. I think he is a 6th or 7th round type player. As it stands right now he is practice squad material, not backup swing tackle material. That kid needs a lot of work.
-
I saw this list yesterday and looking at the QBs in Mobile I agree:
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/23/chicago-bears-are-guaranteed-1-of-these-studs-from-daniel-jeremiahs-big-board/
The serious question is who drops? The answer will have to wait till after the combine. But one of them WILL drop maybe even more. Right now my guess would be Nelson and Chubb drop. If I were Pace I would hold onto #8 till my chosen players are gone. That doesnt mean they wont be getting plenty of offers to move down. And I am sure there are going to be QBs available at #8. This draft is rich in QB talent. Allen looks like Wentz 2.0.
-
Interesting:
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/25/is-washington-state-qb-luke-falk-in-bears-draft-plans/
And we dont have a backup QB. The question is where would Pace g@mble on a QB. Hopefully not at #8. 4th or 5th round wouldnt surprise me. I would wait till March to get worried. My guess is Pace goes after Chase Daniel from N.O. If not then a late round QB sounds logical. It sure is going to be an interesting QB combine in Indy.
-
Very interesting:
http://www.49ers.com/news/ninerfeed/article-2/5-Takeaways-from-Draft-Expert-Daniel-Jeremiahs-Initial-Top-50-Big-Board/2a660c0a-0d3e-437c-961b-a3606fc3fbe4
-
We need to stay ahead of SF in the draft, they need what we need:
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Mel-Kiper-Evaluates-Top-Pass-Rushers-in-the-2018-NFL-Draft/a8e08b9e-5295-4880-8df6-9a4cb8f3a0ac
-
Supposedly Elway interviewed Mayfield at a practiced and said he was going to take Mayfield. I think thats going to put a lot of pressure on the top 10 especially the Brownies.
-
Was it Mayfield that they were saying looked like he had a cannon for an arm and was super impressive?
-
That might help the Bears since it would almost ensure that 3 QBs go in the top 7.
Could mean a shot at Minkah Fitzpatrick or a better chance at Quenton Nelson - but probably not Bradley Chubb who now looks to be going to the Colts at 3 in more and more mocks.
(From what I've read Josh Allen has the cannon and comes from more of an NFL type offense in college - Mayfield is accurate but comes from a spread offense like most college QBs)
-
Was it Mayfield that they were saying looked like he had a cannon for an arm and was super impressive?
NO, I believe that was Allen.
-
That might help the Bears since it would almost ensure that 3 QBs go in the top 7.
I think that means 4. MY question is where does Barkley go? What do the Brownies do with 1 and 4?
-
Some have Barkley as the #1 player in the draft. Brownies need both a QB and a RB but will they do it? And which one first?
-
While I agree the Colts probably go for Chubb I still wonder if they dont need a real QB. Luck hasnt been lucky. Might be time to rethink the QB position for them in a super QB draft
-
If Josh McDaniels goes to the Colts as rumored, would he want to pick his own QB in the draft or hope Luck can get healthy and back to form. Interesting question.
-
OTOH didnt the Colts get Brisset from the Patriots when Luck went down?
-
I can see the Colts being players for Barkley...Gore won't be around forever...
-
Yes that sounds about right. So if Barkley is gone at 2 what do the Brownies do at #4? Chubb? And the Brownies need a RB too, a lot worse than people might imagine. Do they tade up with all their stashed draft picks?
Probably arent smart enough?
-
Maybe the Colts need to draft a LT so their QB doesn't keep getting killed. I think they know if Luck will return 100%. He is something else when healthy.
Browns had a decent defense....and they did draft DE Myles Garrett last year so you'd think offense. But I guess they could take Chubb at 4, but it looks to me like Chubb doesn't get by the Bucs in any scenario.
-
They could go for Minkah at 4 as well...
-
The Browns drafted Kizer at 2. Unless you think he is on an upward trend, how can you pass on your choice of Quarterbacks? I don't see how the Browns pass on one at the number 1 overall.
I say they will take a QB first, and unsure about the 4 pick. You have to figure the first two picks will be qb's. That means Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Barkley are all there at 3. Whoever they select at 4 will be a stud, so a good position to be in.
-
This sure wouldnt upset me at all but I believe Denver goes for Mayfield:
https://newarena.com/nfl/2018-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-who-will-your-favorite-team-select/2/?amxt=ob_sve_ctrlhttps://newarena.com/nfl/2018-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-who-will-your-favorite-team-select/2/?amxt=ob_sve_ctrl
-
Sutton over Ridley?
-
I am not sold on Chubb. I did not watch him in college but his highlight film is unimpressive. If your a top 10 pick you better jump off the screen on your highlight film IMO. It makes me very concerned, I would steer clear.
-
Sutton over Ridley?
Perhaps! Depends on the numbers at the combine. If you are impressed with Ridley's stats then you are probably a Ridley guy. Alabama and Ridley wasnt that good the whole year and the competition level of the Alabama schedule wasnt very good till the last game. Did SMU win the national championship? NO. Did they play the same level of competition as Alabama? I cant answer that. I think its debateable. To me a lot will depend on that 40 time at the combine. Speed kills in the NFL. If Sutton times well he has my vote for whatever that gets you. Sutton's numbers arent a fluke If that speed is there at the combine. I just have serious doubts that Pace is going to take a WR at #8, I know I wouldnt. I think there are a ot of "good" receivers in this draft class. I am just not sold there any "great" WRs in this draft or any who are worthy of #8.
-
Keep batting this name around in your mind as the Draft progresses.
Mason Rudolph
-
Yup. He has been kind of forgotten. But the combine is coming. Keep your ear to the ground JJ like a good indian
-
The last time I put my ear to the ground I got electrocuted because of what Tesla could have done. ;D
-
Man if we could draft Rudolph in the Draft ... MT would be the backup.
-
I'll bet the Packers draft him. Or N.E.
-
Ya never know.
-
interesting:
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/01/27/2018-senior-bowl-winners-losers-from-saturdays-game/
Big #93 needs to be in a Bear uniform
-
Wsh,
As much as we want him ...
Rudolph should be gone before Halas Hall comes to it's right mind.
That being said ... what we need is both protection for MT on OL and DEEP BALL WR's
to gain any significance.
What's with our LINEBACKERS that they can't stay on the field for 16 games ?
Unfortunately that issue has to be addressed with draft picks ...
that could be better spent elsewhere in the draft.
We should be thinking lightweight combo DE / LB.
Fast to the QB but not injured in the process.
Anybody got any studs out there that qualify ?
-
Comparing Rudolph to Trubisky is silly. They're not even close.
-
There was a what if article about if the Bears draft Rudolph and he out plays Trubisky in preseason. Just kind of meaningless fodder, but it would be a great problem to have.
-
Interesting:
http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/29/nfl-draft-complete-7-round-chicago-bears-2018-nfl-mock-draft/
-
Don't know much about the first round choice, and I don't like the RB choice in Round 5. Why?
The rest of the draft is solid, hoping for our Golden Tate type receiver in Washington.
-
Never heard of the first rounder either, but a quick google search says he can be compared to Brian Urlacher. Well, Urlacher sucked as a DE - so that comment was not encouraging. Will read more about him though.
RB in round 5 isn't a real bad idea. I really liked Bennie Cunnngham last year, but I think he's a FA. And unless we sign him what do we do if Howard gets dinged up. Is Cohen ready for full time duty? And KaDeem Carey got hurt in preseason - is he still under control of the team?
I like the idea of drafting a true center assuming they think Whitehair is a better guard. Grasu is out.
-
Yeah that 1st rounder is a headscratcher. Never heard of him either. Maybe more will be known after the combine. I worry about light college DEs playing 3/4 DE or OLB. And I wasnt thrilled with the RB in the 5th. And I still didnt see JJ's FG kicker in the 7th either. Overall it seemed to cover all our needs
-
3-4 DEs are usually around 300lbs but 3-4 OLBs can go as low as around 260 to 280s.
I think this guy would be pegged for OLB but he's a little light, but actually heavier than Leonard Floyd coming into the league.
-
I would expect with Pace's job pretty much tied up with Mitch T's success, we will be draft OL pretty early on and would not be surprised to see 2 picks dedicated to OL.
-
Aaron Lemming is really high on that first round guy, for what it is worth. He was super high on Trubiskly last year. I will have to do some research on this guy.
-
I would expect with Pace's job pretty much tied up with Mitch T's success, we will be draft OL pretty early on and would not be surprised to see 2 picks dedicated to OL.
I really just dont see that happening...especially in the 1st 2 rounds. I would be surprised....very.
-
If there is any way Nelson is there at 8 Pace should pull the trigger. I think if he is his guy, we will have to trade up to get him.
-
Nelson might be an exception. but NO I cant envision a Pace trade up. We just dont have the picks to trade.
-
Either stay put and take the pick or trade down. Can't afford to trade up this year except in later rounds like 6th or 7th. We need bodies.
-
Agreed Peke.
-
Never heard of that 1st round selection. We don't need to be gambling that high in the draft. Like many here I would like to see us trade down some to acquire a 3rd rounder Pace gave up last year. However,if we stand pat I'm on the McGlinchey (OT) bandwagon unless Minkah Fitzpatrick(FS/CB) somehow were to slide. Just say no to any WR in the first! I really like that Washington/Tate (WR) scenario.
-
Watched McGlinchey. Absolutely a horrible choice. And I am not an anti-domer either.
-
Cousins going on the market likely will eliminate one team above us from going QB in the 1st round.
I figure at least Cleveland, Denver, and NYJ will all be in on him.
-
That means one less position player available for the Bears to draft. But it also might mean that maybe, possibly one of the QBs drops to us and we get lucky enough to land a windfall to trade down? One can hope.
-
I guess I could make a good case for Cleveland taking Cousins. Take Cousins then trade down that #1 pick to a team wanting the top QB and add even more picks to their cache. And Cleveland has to have plenty of cap space to take on Cousins salary which may not be the case with the other teams thinking they are a QB away from contending. And you know Cleveland is desperate to win now.
As for the Bears, getting trade down offers for a QB. Why trade with the Bears at 8? Bears aren't a threat to take one. 49ers are at 9 and they won't. Raiders at 10 don't need a QB. Miami might be the spot where a QB could go if the Dolphins aren't happy with Tannehill long term, so the few spots ahead of them might draw attention.
-
Lots of good landing spots for Cousins, he will have his choice and generational wealth. Talk about plying this right.
Cleveland does make a lot of sense, now that I think of it. Kizer clearly wasn't ready , but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the tools to one day succeed. If he could take a seat and watch a veteran play, mature, it might be the best thing for him and Cleveland.
But, Cousins could go to Denver and be on a contender, or Minny...
-
The question with Denver is what does Elway want to do. Does he want to pony up 25 Mill for Cousins or draft a QB such as Mayfield while at the Senior Bowl offered to draft him? Maybe he will do both or neither. Thats a big question with no answer at this time
-
They are saying Garrapolo is going to be commanding 27+ million... not sure if that is the franchise tag or expected contract.
But the really great news is that Cousin's contract will set the bar for Rodgers now.
-
the 27 is franchise tag for Garrapolo.
-
Harry Hiestand,OL coach is back from a 5 year stint with N.D. I predict we'll draft either Nelson (OG) or McGlinchey (OT) from N.D. with our 1st rounder unless we trade down for more picks. Both are worthy of a top ten pick in my estimation. To Wshfl's point with regards to McGlinchey,I agree he did not perform as consistently as the year before where he could have been a legit top 5 selection,he is still fundamentally sound and is the highest rated OT in this year's draft.Another point is that this is not a very good year for OTs. I also don't think FA offers much at the position either. Much rather spend FA $$$ on defense and WRs and perhaps a TE.
-
I agree Joki but if you are dead certain you have to draft an OT then it shouldnt be high 1st round. 3rd or 4th round sounds more reasonable to me, Mc G linchey just showed so much flaw in his technique. He was a sieve. I dont give sieves 1st round grades. And I saw the majority of N D games. If I were to draft a ND lineman it would have to be Nelson. I would prefer an edge rusher at #8. If Pace were to decide on an offensive player there I would prefer he took Cortland Sutton depending on his 40 time at the combine. Speed kills. And we need a #1 type receiver that we dont have.
Also I have stated but nobody pays attention to what I say, but Pace comes from New Orleans. I dont know if their policies have changed but they used to draft late round players and pickup UDFAs to play Oline there. I wouldnt g@mble on Pace taking an Olineman in round one without a tradedown. It would really surprise me if he did take one at #8. I realize Pace plays hunches. I think Hiestand is kind of an X factor too.
Keep posting
-
Oh and for emphasis, where did we take Morgan last year 5th or 6th round?
-
5th
-
Well Wshfl you've got me over a barrel if you watch most of N.D.s games. I can only rely on highlite reels from sites such as draft breakdown which show both good and bad. I'm very concerned about the status and health of the line that needs to keep Trubisky's health an issue.
Pass rush edge and playmaking DB are sure priorities. I'm just not sold on any of the WRs as a high 1st round candidates. Kevin White maybe makes me gun shy of that prospect.
-
I understand about being gunshy. I am leary of taking any player at any position at #8 because of White. Who does what at the combine may solve this mystery. As for OTs what is wrong with Williams of Texas and the OT from Oklahoma? They seem to be ranked higher than McGlinchey? Old saying...."Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"
-
I watched about every Texas game for the last few years and I don't recall seeing much from Williams. But when he was injured last year...I noticed.
None of those offensive tackles are worthy of #8...maybe in the middle of round 1. I'm sure we can find a player that grades out similarly to those guys but at a position of need...positions...as in multiple.
-
Sounds about right, like a trade down with say Buffalo. I just dont buy an OT high, thats reserved for potential franchise players.
-
Some OTs are franchise players...just not this year...
-
True and maybe not in 4 years.
-
From Brad Biggs article today in the trib, when discussing what the Bears will do to address the backup QB position.
The problem is they’ve got too many needs to invest anything higher than a Day 3 pick (Rounds 4-7) on a quarterback, and it’s complete guesswork when you get to that point with passers. Look no further than David Fales (sixth round in 2014), Nathan Enderle (fifth in 2011) and Dan LeFevour (sixth in 2010) as failed Bears experiments this decade. If there’s a quarterback the Bears really like, a sharp guy with some traits, you’ve got to at least consider it, but there is a much greater chance they look for a backup with experience.
My point, look at the draft capital spent on throwaway picks? Amos, Howard, and Leno jr, are much better picks in these rounds. You take your swings at OL (ala Morgan) and Safety or even injured prospects that were much higher rated before the injury. Why waste a pick on a QB that late in the draft, hoping for Haleys Comet? The best Qbs selected late in the draft are Brady, Brunell, and Cousins. 3 in the last 30 years. I would bet you could fill a pro bowl roster at the rest of the positions with picks from the 5-7th rounds over those same 30 years.
-
Agreed. We have FA cash available. I recently heard that the Bears were interested in New Orleans backup QB Chase Daniel (Missouri) But we have to wait till the new season begins.
-
When you have a younq qb, I like a veteran backup. Let's use those late picks on some spots that are more likely to pan out.
-
Chances are better to get more value in drafting a kicker in the late rounds than a QB - 3 were drafted last year and 2 of them in the 7th round. All were starters.
-
I'd be very happy with a late round kicker. We need one. We have a better chance for getting one late in the draft than trying to find one as a UDFA
-
I dont buy this but here it is. I know one thing the people advocating an all Oline Bears draft are going to be very disappointed. But again remember what I have said that Pace comes from New Orleans and they dont draft Oline high. OTOH, Nelson goes before we pick. At this point had Chubb and Nelson been gone I likely would have traded down.
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/07/2018-nfl-mock-draft-full-7-round-projections/
I like Sutton in the 2nd.
-
This is even wierder:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2018/02/05/nfl-mock-draft-2018-first-round-saquon-barkley/304864002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=indystar/colts
Williams over Nelson? I wouldnt unless they were dumping Massie. Thats why we have the combine
-
I don't know how much the combine affects offensive lineman? Maybe more important for the speed guys where the 40 times can separate some guys from the rest of the pack.
-
I dont know. But is some other position exibited more athleticism and exibited stud qualities it would drop the player down.
-
That's how you end up with a guy like John Ross...
-
Hows that?
-
"Looks like Tarzan....plays like Jane"
-
Ugh
-
We need a flat out gamer ball hawker in the first round at WR.
That better be capable of playing 16 games.
If Ridley or Washington doesn't measure up ...
then lets be movin on.
Supahstah status (White) does not a player make.
Rounds two and three can take care of OL and LB. (your choice)
BTW ... if Rudolph was there at our second round pick ...
would you punch the ticket on him ?
Threw for almost 5000 yards ...37 touchdowns ... 9 Interceptions ...
in his last college year.
Or do you think he will be gone in the first round ?
6'5" 230 lbs. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...
-
While I like Rudolph, we needed him last year, not this year. I think we have too many other needs to waste picks on QBs and OTs, not that we couldnt use one for building depth
-
Yeah we could use someone like this:
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/961426263683584002
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Meet #Hokies (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hokies?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) LB Tremaine Edmunds (6’4”, 250)…
- 2017 Butkus Award Finalist
- 2017 Third Team All-American (AP)
- 2017 1st Team All-ACC
- 213 Career Tackles
- 33.0 Career Tackles For Loss
- 10.0 Career Sacks#LPD (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LPD?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/vpolFrAq5H (https://t.co/vpolFrAq5H)</p>— Steve Frederick (@SportsGuyTweets) February 8, 2018 (https://twitter.com/SportsGuyTweets/status/961426263683584002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
-
I've seen his draft stock is rising even to the top 10
-
Thats 4/3 size. I dont think he's a fit for us. No thanks
-
His background appears to be 4-3 OLB, but he has some experience pass rushing. Not too concerned about his size which is now 6-5 250 - that's a little light but stockier than Floyd.
Some mocks have him top 10 - some have him at the tail end of the first round
Bears will have to do their homework on him - combine will also be crucial.
-
From what I've read on him, Edmunds reminds me of Floyd. I think Fangio could do some creative things with two do-everything style OLB's in the 3-4.
-
I sure dont see Edmunds as a #8 pick.
-
Edmunds is a freak athlete, probably the best athlete in the draft and he's produced as well. He wont be considered a reach after the combine. He's #2 on my list behind Nelson.
-
Edmunds is a freak athlete, probably the best athlete in the draft and he's produced as well. He wont be considered a reach after the combine. He's #2 on my list behind Nelson.
As I am just starting looking into the draft I feel the same way so far.
-
Rudolph would be the #2 pick at QB because we have a habit of injured QB's
throughout our history.
A solid backup at QB is a much needed insurance clause for a BEARS team that always needs one.
Predicting the future is impossible ... predicting the past is easy.
We always know what happen's throughout the season sooner or later.
BTW ... Wentz was GOD ... oops! Foles won it. Just sayin. 8) :o
-
They just can't afford a high end back up.
They'll have to go with glennon or whoever may be a free agent.
Pace is good in the draft rounds 4-5 and this team needs young position players badly.
-
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/07/2018-nfl-mock-draft-full-7-round-projections/2/
In this mock the Bears take Edmunds in the first.
In the second Wr's Sutton, Tate, Washington and Kirk are all on the board.
Maybe a good opportunity to trade back to get the third back.
-
While I believe we can use Nelson and I think he would be perfect due to the status of Long and short term on Sitton, we sure can use a day one starter to plug in.
Here is another take:
https://beargoggleson.com/2018/02/14/bears-2018/
-
How soon does the combine begin?
https://dawindycity.com/2018/02/16/chicago-bears-draft-profile-anthony-miller/
-
My guy. The next Steve Smith.
-
The great thing about Miller is he was the undisputed leader of that team. Every time Memphis needed a crucial first down or TD, everyone knew who the ball was going to, and he usually delivered. Thats proven success.
-
I like the Miami deal the best:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/19/4-teams-the-bears-should-target-as-a-trade-partner-in-2018-nfl-draft/
-
Got to wonder how the FA QBs affect the draft: Cousins is still out there. So are all the Minnesota QBs: Keenum, Bridgewater and Bradford.
The article suggested a trade with the Cardinals - out 8 for their 15th and 47th:
A trade like this would be a boon for the Bears, who could still target an offensive tackle or defensive back in the middle of Round 1 while adding a prime draft pick for a talented wide receiver with the extra second-rounder.
I don't know about the OT at 15. I've been hearing that the Texas OT Williams is being projected at guard, so that leaves McGlinchy and OU's Orlando Brown as targets with #15. I dunno.
But the trade for our 8th drops us down 7 and we pick up a mid second rounder (47th). We'd still have to throw in our 2nd 4th rounder to even out the trade.
The Miami trade down would drop us down only 3 spots to 11, but would net us their 2 4th rounders and their 6th rounder.
Guess it just depends who is sitting at 8 and possibly at 11 or 15.
-
And what if Nelson were still there at #11?
-
It just seems that Pace is boxing himself into a corner because he isnt keeping Sitton. He has to now replace him via FA so he doesnt expose his true draft need. Right now every other NFL team sees we need a WR so they project us to take Ridley at #8. Pace has some serious holes to fill via FA. And I dont see OT as one of those holes right now. And that could be exposed if they dont bring Massie back. This isnt a good OLine draft. The talent isnt there. Nelson is perhaps the best of the best and he is a guard, not a tackle. FA is really going to be interesting to watch. Pace's best option now seems to be letting Sitton find his market value and pay Sitton to come back.
-
Wshfl - Agree on both points, I hate creating a hole where we didn't have one, ala don't now release Massie. But, if they were convinced to release Sitton then it is good for Sitton to go free now rather than be cut in August. I also thought they might be able to renegotiate with Sitton, and Sitton reported that they had a really good conversation at the release so I would say the bridge isn't burned.
-
I think Pace knows that Sitton is only worth 8M if you are pushing for the playoffs.
-
And Brad Biggs addressed my Nelson fears in this post at the Trib:
Did the Bears show their hand possibly drafting Quinton Nelson at No. 8? — @bbtwice1080
This was the reaction multiple people had on Twitter, that by declining the 2018 option for veteran left guard Josh Sitton, the Bears have signaled they intend to draft Nelson, the heralded guard from Notre Dame in the first round. It’s easy to see how the first move would lead folks to consider the second move, but this isn’t necessarily a sign. Some folks thought the Bears were crafty in disguising their intention to draft a quarterback at the top of the draft last year by signing Mike Glennon in free agency, and that was phooey in my opinion. Glennon got what was essentially a one-year deal with options after it and the contract alone told you where the team’s long-term confidence was in Glennon. They needed to draft a quarterback, too, and that’s precisely what they did. There will be options in free agency and Andrew Norwell of the Panthers is certainly intriguing, but he will command a big payday and more than the $8 million the Bears were going to have to pay Sittion this season. The Bears could also shop for a center and consider moving Cody Whitehair to left guard. Erik Kush remains as an option on the roster. There are a lot of moving parts here and Nelson could be part of a small group of players the Bears consider at No. 8, but it’s far from a lock.
Apparently I wasnt the only one who saw this the same way.
-
I might be crazy, or just crazy like a fox, but with Pace and company being at the combine, beginning Tuesday I'd be talking to agents of the QBs likely to be there at #8 just to let other teams know that the Bears still could be in the market for a QB at #8.
-
Some folks thought the Bears were crafty in disguising their intention to draft a quarterback at the top of the draft last year by signing Mike Glennon in free agency, and that was phooey in my opinion.
Oh yeah, Briggs saw it coming all along. BS! Nobody in the media had the Bears drafting QB that I recall...and certainly not Briggs.
But I do agree with Briggs that drafting Nelson is not a lock. I outlined options yesterday with Whitehair and Morgan, as well as free agency and a later draft pick at guard or even center.
And what is this talk of release Massie...foolish.
-
I actually saw a mock on Twitter yesterday that had the Bears getting Nelson in the 1st and Arden Key in the 2nd.
That would be amazing.
-
No, that would be a miracle. Bears have done one thing well for a number of years-confound expectations. I don't see that changing this draft.
-
It just seems that Pace is boxing himself into a corner because he isnt keeping Sitton. He has to now replace him via FA so he doesnt expose his true draft need. Right now every other NFL team sees we need a WR so they project us to take Ridley at #8. Pace has some serious holes to fill via FA. And I dont see OT as one of those holes right now. And that could be exposed if they dont bring Massie back. This isnt a good OLine draft. The talent isnt there. Nelson is perhaps the best of the best and he is a guard, not a tackle. FA is really going to be interesting to watch. Pace's best option now seems to be letting Sitton find his market value and pay Sitton to come back.
Sitton plays G, not OT. Nelson (if available) would replace him and be just as productive day one. If Pace wants to throw money at the OL, Andrew Norwell is an elite young G on the market. If he goes cheaper and spends elsewhere he could bring in Zach Fulton to play C and move Whitehair back to G. Sitton could still return if he is interested in a pay cut. Plenty of options.
-
Sitton plays G, not OT. Nelson (if available) would replace him and be just as productive day one. If Pace wants to throw money at the OL, Andrew Norwell is an elite young G on the market. If he goes cheaper and spends elsewhere he could bring in Zach Fulton to play C and move Whitehair back to G. Sitton could still return if he is interested in a pay cut. Plenty of options.
Yes, I am aware Sitton is a guard. And Massie is an OT. We didnt need either position till Pace didnt pick up Sitton's option. I expect Norwell to be tagged too. Lets hope Sitton wants to come back at a cheaper price.
-
Panthers dont have much cap room. They'd have to start cutting players to tag Norwell. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/
I havent seen anywhere that Massie is likely being cut. So I just assumed you talking about Nelson not being an OT was because you didnt know what position Sitton played. Not picking up Sitton's option actually gives Pace a lot more options then he would have had if he picked it up.
-
Nelson is a guard and Sitton was our guard. I was and still am aware. Massie could be replaced and continued chatter here is we need an OT.....well our LT isnt going anywhere, so that leaves Massie who like Sitton supposedly had a contract for this year. However, regardless whether Massie stays or goes, we still need a backup OT to play either side in case of injury and to have youth in the future. Also OLine is not a strong suit in this draft other than Nelson. My feeling is we dont need to make holes that we dont have now.
-
Also, with Long's surgeries and questionable health OG is not a position of strength for the Bears. Long worries me a lot. I hope he returns to full strength.
-
This worries me too after reading. Getting Nelson isnt a slamdunk either, another Pace trade up?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-quenton-nelson-draft-20180222-story.html
The Sitton move may come back to bite Pace in the butt.
-
We don't need to trade up for a guard. We need to take the bpa or trade down. A decent G or C can be found in FA.
-
I read somewhere yesterday that Tremaine Edmunds could play ILB or OLB, he has freakish athletic ability. They compared him to Urlacher coming out of college.
-
I go back and forth between Edmunds and Nelson, but neither player is worth a trade up IMO.
You just hope the morons ahead of you grab a QB.
-
I agree - no trade ups.
As for Edmunds he has to project to a 3-4 OLB, which I don't believe is what he played at Virginia Tech. We aren't looking for a MLB or a 4-3 OLB.
Bears got to do their homework on him but it appears he has all the physical attributes to play in our system.
-
Bears cannot trade up anymore. It's taking forever to rebuild this team and if they keep getting one or two decent players a draft, they'll never turn this around. The guys from a few years ago are already wearing out, i.e. Long, so by the time there's enough decent players on the team, the ones from previous years are falling off the team due to health, injuries, age, etc.
-
Here could be ways we replace Sitton:
https://dawindycity.com/2018/02/26/chicago-bears-offensive-line-2018-nfl-draft/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Lets see what happens at the combine beginning tomorrow
-
I once asked if any of the current Wisky oline had come out for th draft and I never got an answer. well I got my answer when I read this article. Its very interesting:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-wisconsin-offensive-line-nfl-draft-20180225-story.html
Watch out next year
-
"We'll see said the blind man"
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/mock-draft-1-0-why-the-bears-will-take-notre-dame-g-quenton-nelson-in-round-1/
-
Combines are important and all but when does free agency begin?
Even though Pace says he drafts BPA, the results of free agency will dictate the draft's direction.
-
I think in about 2 weeks
-
March 14 is start of free agency.
I wonder what is going on with Glennon that he has not been released? Tampa is said to want him back, are they willing to toss a 7th rounder our way? Or are we trying to negotiate a much lower contract with him?
-
I'd be stunned if anyone traded for Glennon. Not only giving up a draft choice but paying him on his existing contract.
But you never know...
-
There are fools everywhere
-
Not that kind of fool...
-
What was it that PT Barnum used to say, ?, "There is a sucker born every minute"
-
There's too many QB's available to give much for Glennon
-
ten cents is too much
-
From Biggs's mailbag:
Lots of mock drafts have the Bears going for Quenton Nelson at No. 8 because of Josh Sitton’s release. But I don’t see them risking him not being there. Will the left guard position be addressed first via free agency? If it is, does that eliminate Nelson from the draft board? — @mosconml
Mock drafts can be fun to take a look at, but before the first wave of free agency is complete, it’s really an exercise in blind guessing. If the Bears make a significant investment in a replacement for Sitton via free agency, that would probably reduce the chance the team goes after Nelson in the draft. We’ll have to see how this plays out, but I have to think in a perfect situation, the Bears would like a pass rusher, elite cornerback or a playmaker on offense with the eighth pick.
-
I dont necessarily buy this without a trade down but it still is very interesting. It would all depend on how he performs at the combine.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/25/2018-mock-draft-sends-bears-smus-courtland-sutton-in-1st-round/
It would take a lot to pass up Nelson who measured 33 3/4 arm length at the combine. Heck thats good enough to play RT in the NFL. Hmmm!
-
#NFL Combine Key Measurements thread...
8. #NotreDame G Quenton Nelson
Height: 6-5
Weight: 325
Hand: 10 3/8 👀
Arm: 33 6/8
Wingspan: 82 5/8 👀
-
Right, 33 6/8 is 33 3/4
-
Not.much difference ....lol
-
So which is it? 33 6/8 or 33 3/4? ??? ??? ::) ;) ;D
-
I think the left arm is 33 3/4 and the right is actually 32 7/4.
-
Not ideal arm length for a tackle...probably doesn't have the feet to play tackle which is why he's a guard in college
-
Let's play him at wideout
-
Maybe. Can he run a 4.3 40? ::)
-
Wow:
Quenton Nelson - 35 reps
-
Beast
-
Beast
So true.. if he falls to us... We have to take him. This is Nate Newton.
-
Well it would sure help on the short yardage plays.
-
I dunno guys...a guard at 8? And I know many say he's the best talent in the draft which means he's great value at 8.
-
I dunno guys...a guard at 8? And I know many say he's the best talent in the draft which means he's great value at 8.
Not a guard... Potentially a Hof player at his position.
-
I know a lot of you guys like him. I have not seen one ND game in last 4 years, so I have no idea. However I love his quotes.
"I want to dominate all my opponents and take their will away to play the game by each play and finishing them past the whistle,”
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4707829/potential-bears-target-ol-quenton-nelson-im-a-nasty-player
-
But which is better, a HOF guard or drop down a bit and fill another need and get another solid guard later in the draft. I mean Long is a perennial pro-bowler if he can stay healthy.......A healthy Long, Whitehair and Nelson in the middle would be able to run the ball on most anyone if they can stay on the field.
-
a HOF Guard (or any position for that matter) is better then a good player and a ok player (qb not included)
-
Wow, he just finished the combines and now he's on his way to Canton.
-
If Barkley is there at 8, do you take him?
-
Ahhhh, some time ago it was, "if Enis is there at 5 do you take him?"
-
Barkley at 8? Maybe, but you make the rest of the league think you are.
Monte Hall time.
-
Definitely Hall time. However if no good can be had in the alotted time during the draft you draft him. He is just too good to pass up or leave on the board for someone else
-
As much as I admire Howard he is not a real threat in the passing game.
Barkley adds speed around the edge and improves the passing game.
Why we even talking about this...he won't make it past 3 or 4.
-
Yes, I dont see Barkley making it past 4. Anybody thinking he makes it to 8 is still in high school. Like the song goes, "Dream on, dream on teenage queen, prettiest girl we've ever seen" ;D
-
I think you have the lyrics of Rock On and Dream On confused. But I get your point - ain't gonna happen without a trade up and that better not happen.
-
Wsh, LOL. ......And where do we go from here? Which is the way that's clear? Still looking for that blue jean baby queen
Prettiest girl I ever seen....
-
Jimmy Dean? James Dean
-
Glad to see somebody take it the right way. Barkley isnt our greatest need. He would prolong our snoozing. We need to fix the holes the best way we can while developing the future. We cant be distracted. I dont remember who straightened me out but it was someone who suggested protecting Trubisky. That has to be the goal.
-
We could never seem to take the Packers down because we could never seem to take their QBs down. Their Oline seemed to keep their QBs clean. I love taking the Pack down.
-
Pretty interesting worth the watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguTO5zN-0g
-
Interesting, Ridley didnt even make the top 5.
-
yeap I believe because his production #s did not warrant it. I have posted some videos of Sutton, he looks special to me. Maybe a bit slow, but catches everything. Think Alshon Jeffery, with more upside potential.
-
No Anthony Miller either, and it certainly can’t be due to production...
-
It is easy to keep Rogers clean when you get a pass from the zebras to hold every play ;-). I think anytime you can get a special player that trams have to plan for and lose sleep over you have to think hard about it.
-
So what are the combine numbers on Sutton? I like him. My opinion was that Ridley was overrated. Miller I didnt like either. I liked Washington too. But whichever player Pace likes is a 2nd round player, not even a dropdown 1st rounder. Speed kills and we dont have it.
-
He ran a 4.54 40 yard dash. He was 6.57 seconds in the 3 cone, which was third best for WR. He was 4th fastest in 20 yard shuttle and 2nd fastest in 60 yard shuttle.
http://nflcombineresults.com/nfl-combine-drills-101-what-each-drill-measures/
I think what his results show, is he is very agile in space, which is why he gets separation from defenders. He is not going to run bye you but he has o.k. speed.
Another WR that I like is DJ Moore, his broad jump, vertical jump and 40 times back up what I saw of him. He can out run the defenders and go up and grab the ball.
-
Thanks Hiber.
-
Well this one sure shakes things up:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762798-2018-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-7-round-predictions-post-combine
-
I think we can look for a tradedown. Again it doesnt count on needs being filled during FA.
-
All things being equal a trade down from 8 sounds appealing. But you may not really know until that 7th name is announced at the podium.
I see some names being talked about in round 3 that look attractive, so if pick 8 isn't traded down maybe our 2nd rounder is. Pace did that last year before taking Shaheen and the year before before taking Whitehair. Not sure that gets you a 3rd but maybe a 4th that could be packaged with one of our existing 4ths to get back into round 3.
-
If the Bears score in FA big maybe #8 likely wont be so important. It looks like the Oline, LB and CB. need to be fixed in FA. And Hiestand needs to get the most out of Morgan cause I'm getting scared without a healthy Long. Pace needs to pull a few rabbits out of his hat for sure.
-
When you have a lot of cap you can buy a lot of rabbits.
But if Pace is effective in free agency it really shouldn't affect the importance of #8 (using Pace's BPA philosophy).
-
In one aspect this isnt a shock because we need CBs but this one and in front of Edmunds is surprising:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/06/bears-cornerback-pff-mock-draft/
Jackson has a lot of speed shown at the combine
-
On the contrary, Josh Jackson ran a 4.56 forty. You'd like to see that number be closer to 4.50 or better for a corner. He's still a first rounder but maybe he's no longer an option at 8. Of course, his game film and other aspects of his athleticism are also in play but I think that 40 time is a bit disappointing.
We'll see if he improves on that time on his pro-day.
-
Then who was it at 4.43 was that Ward?
-
I was surprised PFF had him over Ward.
-
Jackson is 6-1 and teams like that size and might accept the 4.56. Ward is "only" 5-10 but he ran a blistering 4.32 40.
Both could go top 10 and could grade out similarly. Bottom line is it comes out to the game film but the combine numbers might help in breaking ties or determine a fit for a particular defensive style.
-
The Bears placed the transition tag on cornerback Kyle Fuller Tuesday, a move that should keep the team’s top cover guy in Chicago for 2018.
But that doesn’t mean the Bears won’t be in the market for another corner in the NFL Draft. In fact, that’s the position they target in ESPN NFL Draft analyst Todd McShay’s latest mock draft:
8. Chicago Bears
Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State*
Calvin Ridley is still my top-ranked WR, but he had a mixed combine workout. The Bears do need playmakers on the outside for second-year QB Mitchell Trubisky, but right now, there are simply too many higher-graded players on the board. Even if Chicago keeps Kyle Fuller (it placed the transition tag on him), the Bears need a lockdown CB. Ward is that guy, and his blazing 4.32 40 cemented his spot as the No. 1 CB in this draft.
Ward is building steam as Chicago’s target in the first round. NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah sent the Buckeye to the Bears in his latest mock draft, too.
Virginia Tech’s Tremaine Edmunds feels more like the player Ryan Pace will target with the eighth pick, especially because there aren’t many edge defenders worthy of a big payday in free agency.
However, no one would argue Ward as a great first-round option. A team can never have enough cornerbacks, and Ward is battling Iowa’s Josh Jackson for the top spot at the position in this year’s class.
-
If Nelson is gone before #8, this is who the Bears could target.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/05/bears-met-with-iowa-cb-josh-jackson-at-nfl-combine/
Even a slight tradedown would be OK with me
-
Other tradedown options:
https://beargoggleson.com/2018/03/07/trade-down/
I am still hopeful for Nelson.
-
I dunno. Just too many holes in our roster...huge holes. I'll feel better after Pace signs a few free agents. Once that is done the draft will open up.
-
This might be interesting:
Buffalo Bills pick 21 and 22. If the Bills QB of the future is still on the board when the Bears pick at 8, the Bears need to ask for those two picks. The Bears trading the number 8 pick for the 21st and 22nd pick would be a home run. With those two picks the Bears could address both sides of the ball. WR Christian Kirk from Texas A&M and Rashaan Evans LB from Alabama would be great fits for the Bears with those two picks.
-
Based on this draft value chart they could also get the #21 and their two second round picks #53 and #55. Which would they rather have 3 higher picks in the first two rounds or 4 picks in the first two?
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=BUF
-
I don't like the Buf trad down. First of all, we would have to give them back something for 21 and 22 or 21 and their 2 second rounders (something like both our 4th and 5th round picks).
And I think I'd like to stay down in that 8 to 15 range to get a chance at one of the top guys, but getting 4 picks in the first 2 rounds is worth considering if you want to trade down and you can't find many partners.
-
I agree in principal with the tradedown, I just feel we need a stud. At 15 we still should get someone like Jackson or Roquan Smith there. It just depends on how the draft is going when we are on the clock. But a low 1st and 2 2nds would fill a lot of holes. It wouldnt shock me if Ridley fell to 21. I am afraid all the edge guys/OLB will be gobbled up by 21. Lets see how we fill the holes in FA. Right now the holes scare me.
-
First of all, we would have to give them back something for 21 and 22 or 21 and their 2 second rounders (something like both our 4th and 5th round picks)
#8 for #21 and #22 is only 180 points difference (mid 3 value). The scenario is they WANT to move up for their QB of the future. Not we are looking to move down. I think a mid 3 value would be worth it to them to move from the bottom of the draft into the top 10 to snag their guy.
-
Thats true.
-
OTOH getting 21 and their 2 2nds would give us a 1st and 3 2nds. That would give us a lot of hole filling material.
-
I was off on my math - the 180 point difference translates to adding in BOTH our 4ths and our 5th.
Last year the Bears had to pay 400 points to move up from 3 to 2 to get their franchise QB. The trade cost us a 2017 3 and a 4 and a 2018 3. Our 3rd rounder was worth 255, our 4th rounder 72 so that's 327 of the 400 right there. They gave us 73 points in 2017 for our 2018 3rd rounder (which is now worth 240). So it actually looks like the Bears may have got the best of the deal.
Now if Buffalo is that desperate to just slough off 180 points then it makes the trade down much more appealing, but if teams go by the book then I don't like giving up 3 players in this year's draft for 1 given the number of holes we have in the roster.
-
The Buffalo 1st rounder (21) and their 2 second rounders would cost us our 4th and a 5th. So our high #1, our 4th and 5th for their lowis #1, and 2 lowish #2s.
-
Again, as pointed out, how badly does Buffalo want to move up?
-
Exactly. When you are trading up into the top 10 to try and get your franchise QB it is going to cost a little more. It's not like the scenario is they want to trade up to take an Oline.
-
I want to trade up and take an OL, Nelson. ;) Ok, just kidding.
-
Well either Buffalo thinks they have moved up high enough to get their guy or maybe just high enough to talk the Bears into moving down.
Maybe the Bears didn't want to move that far down. We could still swap the first #8 & #12 and pick up one of their seconds.
-
With the Robinson signing I still expect the Bears to sign a slot guy. If they can do that - Pace can address WR maybe 4th round or later.
Corner and OLB are the biggest holes right now and I'm thinking that corner out of Ohio State may be the pick. The Edwards kid is also a possibility.
I know Pace will sign some OLBs and corners that could start for the Bears so he can pursue his BPA philosophy...maybe tomorrow.
-
Yes we need a slot guy. Wilson was supposed to be the one "guaranteed" to be coming, but apparently there was a "fumble" along the way. :o
-
Hopefully Pace is after Norwell.
-
I think the fumble was 3 years $24mil. That is more than he should have gotten.
-
wmljohn
I'd be up for an 8 for 12 swap. But they also have their 22nd, which could bring their 2nd rounder and the draft's top 3rd rounder. Tempting...but I like the 8 for 12 deal. We have a better shot at an impact player.
And according to the chart it would bring in their 3rd, 4th and 5th (assuming they don't go off the chart and overpay for their franchise QB).
Maybe they want to package that 8th along with their 12th to move up to #2. Who knows? But unless Buffalo signs an ex-Viking QB they got nothing right now.
-
There was talk on some sports shows that they may be trying to packag both first rounders to deal with Cleveland.
Clevelands #4 is 1800 and #12 and #22 are 1980 combined.
-
It is very tempting provided Nelson isnt there at #8 and hard to say right now
-
With the Jets signing Bridgewater (sorry Josh - it's definitely not your team now) and to a lesser extent the Broncos signing Keenum, I'm wondering if some of the top QBs drift further down in round 1. This would hurt the Bears if they have their sights set on Nelson or possibly Minkah Fitzpatrick. I think Chubb won't be an option.
So it looks like maybe Denzel Ward, Tremain Edwards or UTSAs Marcus Davenport.
-
I think the fight comes at the top, especially with the Browns wanting both Barkley and Darnold. If Cleveland moves up to #2 from #4 and Buffalo moving up to #3, I could see 4 QBs off the board in the top 7. I think think things look mighty interesting at #8. Plus I could see SF trying to go ahead of the Bears at #7 for Nelson too.
-
I don't think FA quarterback movement is solving anyone's issues other than the Vikings. If we had stood pat with Glennon last year and not drafted Trubisky we would be in a world of hurt. I still think there will be at least 3 QB's taken before our pick at 8.
Who will slide, that is the question. I think if the Browns like a QB, they better not get cute and pass one with the overall number 1. They should take their QB first, and then BPA at 4.
-
What Griz said.
Bronco's will take a QB early they have been looking for one for a long time now... Keenum is not the future.
-
I was thinking more about the Jets with their signing of Bridgewater. He's only 25, so the Jets might pass on QB.
As for the Browns, I guess if they take Barkley first then the Giants might surprise everyone and take the successor to Manning. And who's to say that the Colts who appear set at QB don't trade down with another team.
But is there that much difference between Darnold, Rosen and Allen. If the Browns take Barkley one of those guys will be available....maybe 2 if the Colts go with Chubb.
-
Broncos have Chad Kelly with a year of experience watching and learning, and in great shape. He should be their future.
-
Siemian, Paxton Lynch, Osweiller, and Chad Kelly, who was last year's 7th round pick that didn't attempt a pass. Now add Case Keenum and the 5th pick in the draft which could be another QB.
Elway likes to collect QBs doesn't he?
-
you forgot Tebow :)
-
Supposedly at the Senior Bowl Elway told Mayfield he would draft him, for what its worth.
-
Heard Broncos were shopping Siemian - figure he'd make a pretty good backup, especially if released. Chase Daniel is more of a QB whisperer type without much game-time experience.
-
Daniel was a gunslinger at Missouri. Set all kinds of records. He has the arm
-
At the Senior Bowl Bears were talking to QBs. I kinda figured they were looking for a 3rd string QB to develop
-
The Vikes are trading for Siemian
-
I was thinking more about the Jets with their signing of Bridgewater. He's only 25, so the Jets might pass on QB.
Thats like the Bears passing on Nelson, without a prayer at OG. Not going to fool anybody.
-
I'd bet that the Bears sign somebody at guard or possibly center before the draft.
Pace isn't going into a draft with the plan that he's got to have Nelson at 8, because there's a 50% he won't be there.
Even then he can get a quality guy in later rounds.
If you want to worry - worry about OLB. I'd have no problem in signing a Willie Young or even a Lamar Houston now or some other quality starter. May have to find a guy coming off an injury that's playing for his 2nd contract though.
-
I am not the one who needs to worry. The Bears should have a GM to do that.
-
I was thinking more about the Jets with their signing of Bridgewater. He's only 25, so the Jets might pass on QB.
The Jets signed Bridgewater and McCown both but only for one year deals.
-
Did not know that. Guess there will be a run on QBs early then.
Let's see who drops to 8...
What's the opinion on taking Minkah Fitzpatrick? Can he play corner?
-
Just ran this one, with no trades...I'd take this result no questions asked...
https://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=466b746e-972e-4285-8820-74afddf252cf
Round 1 Pick 8: Nelson, Quenton, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 7: Carter, Lorenzo, OLB, Georgia (A)
Round 4 Pick 5: Washington, James, WR, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 15: Jones, Jamarco, OT, Ohio State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 8: Hill, Holton, CB, Texas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 7: Mataafa, Hercules, OLB, Washington State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 6: Looney, James, DT, California (A+)
-
There's a name for ya
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l41YyBF6D4b0gxqIU/giphy.gif)
-
Looking at the draft I see these players in top 7 not necessarily in order:
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Bradley Chubb
S. Barkley
M. Fitspatrick
Q. Nelson
T. Edmunds
That would leave Josh Allen the big armed QB left, the top CB's left and Vita Vea (I mention him cause I think its position of need). Most likely Allen goes top 7 and one of the listed players "falls" to us. However if he did not, I could see a trade down for a QB needing team.
I think it is very likely that Q. Nelson, T. Edmunds or M. Fitzpatrick could be there at 8. Any of these players would work for me. Additionally if they were all taken earlier than our pick and there were no trading partners to move down, I would take Vita Vea. Vita would become our nose and Goldman would slide over to DE. A combo of Hicks, Vea and Goldman would be special. That is not the player I am hoping to get. I think if T. Edmunds is there you take him. 19 year old atheltic freak. People are comparing him to Urlacher. Bears need another great LB, its our teams identity.
Either way the 1st round plays out. Bears draft needs are OG, DT/DE, LB, WR. I could see drafting 2 OL and 2 DL, we need to build the trenches.
-
Jets give up #6, #37, #49, and a 2nd rounder next year to move up to 3.
Colts make out like bandits, as they will still probably get the guy they were going to take at #3, just a few picks later and for a little less cash.
Now, it looks like QBs will go 1-3, probably Barkley at 4, another QB at 5, Chubb at 6, and then Tampa will choose from Minkah, Nelson, Ward, Edmonds, or ????
-
Wildcard now is Buffalo...will they try to trade up as well?
-
Interesting: I hadnt thought of Vea as a possibility. I thought of him as a 4/3 DT. And I am not thinking of Vea as a 3/4 DE, but maybe its just because I dont know him very well. I see Vea going to the Packers
-
If the Jets do move up I'll have to take my comments about what a poor managed team they are by moving up. Yes Buffalo is another mover up for a QB. Like I said earlier I see 4 QBs going in the top 7. Denver wouldnt surprise me either. Elway seems to stockpile QBs.
-
IMHO the Browns want both Barkley and Darnold. I have seen rumors the Giants want Barkley. Browns should try to move up to #2. Giants should still take a QB at #4.
-
Well, I have to admit I was wrong about the draft value chart. The Jets only needed to make up 600 points to move up 3 spots. Their 2 2nd rounders alone were valued at 940 AND they gave up next year's 2nd rounder.
Bears had to move up 400 points to #2 and gave up a 3 and a 4 and a future 3. Could have been worse.
-
Makes the Bears package look pretty tame by comparison, doesn’t it?
Giants are obviously taking a QB...otherwise the Jets would have dealt with them.
-
Seems the Jets tipped their hand too soon. Why not wait until the actual draft to make sure your guy is still there, unless they rate the top 3qbs pretty even.
-
Aaron Leming
Verified account
@AaronLemingNFL
Follow Follow @AaronLemingNFL
More
If 4 QBs go in the first 7 picks (seems really possible right now), #Bears could be looking at a situation where one of these 5 players is on the board at 8:
-Barkley (unlikely)
-Chubb (unlikely)
-Fitzpatrick
-Nelson
-Edmunds
-
On the same theme as Boogie...What now that the Jets moved up? And Buffalo hasnt made its move yet either:
https://dawindycity.com/2018/03/17/chicago-bears-draft-trade/
-
And I saw a phony baloney Mock showing Barkley dropping to #8 with the Bears taking Barkley and trading Howard. That was some draft too.
-
I have a hard time believing Arizona is comfortable with Sam Bradford.
Maybe they'll stay at 12 and hope the Louisville QB Jackson is still there
-
Nor with Glennon. It would seem they need a QB unless they can move up.
-
If Barkley DID fall to us, I wouldnt have a problem taking him. Just saying.
-
Would that parallel Fantasy Island?
-
Yeah pretty much.
-
The Browns trade down out of #4? I dont think so. If 1,2,3, hold I dont see the Browns trading down and I dont see the Colts passing on Chubb either. I still see Nelson at #8 if they dont get an OG in FA. But Pace better prepare for 4 QBs in the top 7. My candidate to move down is the Giants. They could use anything, they are that bad.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/nfl_mock_draft_free_agency_trades/
-
In that mock Nelson and Chubb go right before our pick. It wouldnt bother me to get Fitzpatrick or Edmunds, but to be soooo close to a couple of guys we really could use......
-
If Chubb is there at 7 (hell maybe 6) you have to look into trading up. Number 1 need is an impact pass rusher IMO.
-
I tend to agree with Exile. But I dont believe Chubb lasts past the Colts. When they traded down the player most mocks attributed to them was Chubb. And he is still there at #6. Who knows maybe they will move down 2 more but it likely would cost us more in picks than we can afford. We just dont have the picks to trade up. If we had the stockpile of picks the Browns have we could afford to do that.
-
Would Chubb play 3-4DE or OLB? Would he be a better OLB than Edmunds?
-
Good question. The "feeling" is Edmunds is so young he would have to grow into a position. Experts dont know what his ultimate NFL position will be.
-
Chubbs is more 4-3 DE, but could probably transition to 3-4 OLB like Willie Young did.
HOWEVER, just trade up from 6 to 8 would cost us at least our 2 4th rounders and 5th rounder. Nope.
I'll take my chances with Edmunds and the 3 picks. He's not a finished product like Chubb but I think he's more athletic with more upside...though more risk.
(BTW if he's available when the Bears pick they could deal with the 49ers at 9 - I've heard they covet him. TB may be getting calls from San Fran).
-
Briggs has a question/answer article in today's Trib - apparently he's not too high on Edmunds.
Here's NFL.com's grade for the top 5:
BARKLEY, SAQUON* RB 6'0" 233 Penn St. 7.4
NELSON, QUENTON* G 6'5" 329 Notre Dame 7.3
CHUBB, BRADLEY DE 6'4" 269 N.C. State 7.3
EDMUNDS, TREMAINE* LB 6'5" 253 VT 7.2
DARNOLD, SAM* QB 6'3" 220 USC 7.0
Denzel Ward and Minkah Fitzpatrick didn't make the top 10. I think the uncertainty about Edmunds true position may make him available at 8.
That's my guy....right now.
-
My choices right now are:
Chubb (not gonna happen unless a video of him smoking a peace pipe comes out the day before the draft)
Nelson
Edmunds
Fitzpatrick/Ward
We should be able to get one of these kids....
-
Interesting mock:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2765365-2018-nfl-mock-draft-predictions-after-first-week-of-free-agency
-
That is an interesting mock. Thats the first mock in a while I see Barkley fall out of the top 4. And I am not enamored with the 2 west coast QBs. The response I get for that by their team fans is injuries. After all is said and done I still only see 3 QBs taken in the first 7 picks. I expect 4. I am surprised that Nelson falls to #8. But if I am Pace I hold out till I am on the clock before trading down if he is interested in doing so.
-
I can see us trading down in the 2nd, maybe, but not the 1st.
-
I appreciate the value of a potential pro bowl guard in opening holes for Howard and Cohen next to Whitehair and Long. Those holes make the passing game for Trubisky that much easier.
But I also know that the NFL game is about the QB and stopping the QB.
When we play the Packers/Vikings is good guard play going to override getting pressure on Rodgers/Cousins. I know...we need both, but I'm leaning toward the freakish higher risk/higher reward Edmunds.
-
Dave
Yep, Pace has done that the last 2 drafts. But if he drafts Nelson or a DB in round 1, I don't think that happens as I bet he'll be going after that next tier of OLB early in round 2.
-
On one hand, the Giants have been taking a close look at quarterbacks available at the top of the draft. On the other hand, they’ve just traded their best pass rusher to the Buccaneers, giving them a clear need at that position.
(And, no, I wasn’t deliberately being a wise ass by using “hand” in an item that relates to Jason Pierre-Paul.)
The JPP trade potentially shakes up the top of the draft, putting the Giants potentially in play for North Carolina State pass rusher Bradley Chubb at No. 2. Or, perhaps more realistically, setting up a trade down in order to auction the No. 2 pick for a quarterback-starved team, getting Chubb in a lower spot and adding to the compensation received for Pierre-Paul.
The problem becomes finding a spot to which the Giants could drop while still remaining confident that they’ll land Chubb. No. 5 would be the floor (the Colts surely would take Chubb at No. 6), if the Broncos wanted to move up and snag a quarterback at No. 2 (which seems unlikely). The Browns at No. 4 probably have little interest in getting the first two picks in the draft, unless they become determined to pair a quarterback with someone like running back Saquon Barkley (that also seems unlikely).
Maybe the Jets, who recently jumped from No. 6 to No. 3, would be willing to come up one more spot, if they’re determined to get a quarterback, and if they want to avoid being leapfrogged by a team like the Bills. This would allow the Giants to select Chubb at No. 3; if they’d take him at No. 2 anyway, why not try to do with the Jets what the 49ers did with the Bears a year ago?
However it plays out, the JPP trade makes things a lot murkier, with five more weeks to go until the picks are made.
-
Nelson will help the QB a ton.
Do not underestimate the value of a strong inside running game with a mobile QB like Mitch. it helps hold the LB's like no ones business.
You know what helps a qb a lot? consistently having 2nd and 6.
-
method
I know Nelson can help Trubisky on passing plays as well as running plays.
I also know a good pass rush gets Trubisky on the field faster and prevents him from trying to play catch-up 2 TDs down in the first half.
Would you rather have Nelson and a serviceable OLB or a serviceable guard and a potential freak pass rusher?
Maybe we just draft the best center available in round 2 and move Whitehair to guard...and you might be able to do that with a diluted second rounder to get another pick.
-
JPP traded to the bucs... so you can figure giants are going chubb at 2...
Browns might be able to get a BOUNTY for that 4th overall pick and get their choice of QB's at 1.
-
method
I know Nelson can help Trubisky on passing plays as well as running plays.
I also know a good pass rush gets Trubisky on the field faster and prevents him from trying to play catch-up 2 TDs down in the first half.
Would you rather have Nelson and a serviceable OLB or a serviceable guard and a potential freak pass rusher?
Maybe we just draft the best center available in round 2 and move Whitehair to guard...and you might be able to do that with a diluted second rounder to get another pick.
"potential" freak pass rusher.... the key here is potential. Nelson looks like a man playing with boys... Edmunds flashes freak potential playing with kids...
-
Pass rushers, aside from QB, are the hardest position to fill in the NFL. And next to QB, it's probably the biggest draft bust position in round 1.
But I agree Nelson is the safe pick.
Bears would really have to do their homework to see if Edmunds projects to OLB. If he fails there you just end up with a MLB faster than Urlacher.
(and Edmunds is a kid...not yet 20 I believe).
-
The question mark on Edmunds is that he is only 19 years old. Who knows what he can develop into, stud or bust.
-
First, there may not be another height-weight-speed player quite like him in this year's class. Edmunds is a 6'5", 253-pound off-ball linebacker with 4.54-second 40-yard dash speed. To place those numbers into context, Brian Urlacher, who played safety at New Mexico, ran a 4.57-second 40-yard dash at 6'4" and 258 pounds.
...
Finally, Edmunds is only 19 years old, yet he registered 215 tackles, 32.5 tackles for loss and 10 sacks over the last two seasons.
10 sacks in major college ball as a teenager...not playing a pass rushing position. With the Bears he won't be asked to play with his hand on the ground either like a 4-3 DE.
-
He could maybe even play ILB and take away the middle passing lanes like a LB we used to know, someone to cover Jimmy Graham etc.
-
I appreciate the value of a potential pro bowl guard in opening holes for Howard and Cohen next to Whitehair and Long. Those holes make the passing game for Trubisky that much easier.
But I also know that the NFL game is about the QB and stopping the QB.
When we play the Packers/Vikings is good guard play going to override getting pressure on Rodgers/Cousins. I know...we need both, but I'm leaning toward the freakish higher risk/higher reward Edmunds.
I basically feel the same way. My concern is if Nelson isnt there when we are on the clock at #8. If Nelson is there then its a no brainer what you do. Right now we have no running game without a top value OG. And I dont want to hear Kush, Whithair or Morgan brought up and I definitely dont want to think about Grasu at center either. If you expect improvement this year in the passing game you have to be able to protect the QB and establish the running game. You arent going to be able to do that with career backups on the Oline. Had they not cut Sitton I might feel differently. But you just dont g@mble juggling the line like happened last year. plug in a Kush or Morgan in and expect to protect your QB, opening up the passing game. Just not going to happen.
Its no wonder they went out and got Hiestand. His job is to make chicken soup out of chicken sh*t.
-
There's no such thing as a sure thing. Even with Nelson. In one of the articles above touting the guards taken in prior drafts in the top 10. Cooper has played for 5 teams now. And Womack was signed by the EAgles as a FA last year for a little over $1M. Any pro-bowls?
I'm not going to slam Nelson. If the Bears get him I won't complain (too much).
Both spots can be upgraded.
-
And Hiestand wasnt hired for nothing? MY problem is more with Pace. He comes to us from New Orleans. They dont draft Oline early or high. They draft on the low end or get a UDFA and coach them up. Think Morgan. It scares me. OTOH look at how long Brees has lasted down there in New Orleans. Maybe they feed those Olinemen Kriptonite down there.
-
No crawfish and gumbo. Yum.
-
jambalaya
-
Brees gets rid of the ball very quickly...
-
Very interesting:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-biggs-quenton-nelson-nd-pro-day-20180322-story.html
And we were just talking about him. How amazing.
-
Watching some draft talk yesterday on NFLN, one of the analysts said he wasn't high on Nelson as a top 10 pick after watching their game against Miami last year. He said Nelson really struggled against quick DT's
-
Bears have inside info on Nelson with line coach Harry Heistand. If Nelson's available and Bears take him - I'll be Ok with it.
But we need pass rushers! No McPhee, No Young, No Houston.
-
You wonder does Hiestand look at some of the other guys in the draft and think "you know after I get a few months of coaching him, he might be as good as Nelson". When you are already under one of the best OL coaches in the league for a few years, Nelson isn't likely to get much better. He'll get better at reading NFL defense, maybe a little stronger but I am thinking his technique is likely to improve very little. What could Hiestand do with someone a little less polished?
-
I have heard good things about the center Brice from ohio state. I would favor him in the second round.
-
Isn't he the guy who tore his pec in the bench press portion of the combine?
-
Yes, Billy Price, reported as a minor tear.
-
So minor tear that it required surgery. Though he does say he should be ready for training camp. Probably knocks him out of late first round into round 2.
Price won the Rimington award his senior year but started the 3 prior years at guard for Ohio St.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/billy-price?id=2559911
-
You wonder does Hiestand look at some of the other guys in the draft and think "you know after I get a few months of coaching him, he might be as good as Nelson". When you are already under one of the best OL coaches in the league for a few years, Nelson isn't likely to get much better. He'll get better at reading NFL defense, maybe a little stronger but I am thinking his technique is likely to improve very little. What could Hiestand do with someone a little less polished?
Thats an interesting thought. And here is Pace saying if Hiestand can coach up players that good maybe I dont need to draft anybody for OLine because I can get any player and Harry can coach him up as good as Nelson. Terrible thought
And where Pace came from they dont draft Oline high. They even get them off the street and coach them up.
-
Pace drafted Whitehair in the 2nd round two years ago.
-
Yes he did. He must have been desperate, right? And he isnt desperate this year.
-
He traded down after another team traded up and stole his pick, then took best available.
-
Bears had the 41st pick in 2016 (2nd round). Traded it to Buffalo and moved down to 49. Buffalo sent them a 4th rounder in 2016 and another fourth rounder in 2017.
The Packers traded up to 48 and took OT Jason Spriggs. Many believe that was the guy Pace wanted, though he denies it.
So the Bears traded #49 to Seattle and moved down again to #56 and took Whitehair. Also got another 4th rounder in 2016.
The Packers' Spriggs only started a few games last year when Bulaga was hurt - I don't think Spriggs is that good.
-
I think I was thinking of the trade down from 41...I think Pace wanted Hunter Henry, but SD took him a few picks prior.
-
Uggh! If we could have drafted Hunter Henry.
-
Interesting mock: I could see this going down.
https://dawindycity.com/2018/03/26/chicago-bears-mocking-first-picks/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
-
It appears to me that the Giants choice will set the early first round.
-
Yes and I actually think there is a strong belief they trade down out of #2. Where and how far down, I wouldnt or couldnt guess. And there still is Arizona itching for a QB, BESIDES Buffalo. A 3 way deal?
-
I sure would stay at #8 till I found out who was available. And that mock having the Giants staying at #2 and taking Chubb, which put the screws on the Colts at #6. That most likely makes the Colts move down or take Nelson.
-
As I said before the Giants pick changes everything. If they don't go QB and take Chubbs or if Chubbs goes to the Browns cuz the Giants took Barkley then I think the Colts take Edmunds.
Looks more and more like Nelson could drop to the Bears.
-
Nelson will not make it past 6, if the colts stay at 6.
Big if there, is if some how Barley is there at 6 with Q.... but i dont see that happening either. I think if QB's go 1 3 and 4; Broncos will take Barkley and Colts will take Q.
If colts are all in on Andrew Luck, they bleeping owe him Nelson.
-
How about this (from Lance Zierlein):
1 Browns Sam Darnold - QB, USC
With the Jets' move up the draft board to No. 3 -- one spot ahead of the Browns' second pick -- it's highly unlikely that Cleveland will get cute with this pick. The Browns take the best QB in the draft.
2 Giants Saquon Barkley - RB, Penn State
Some will project a QB, or DE Bradley Chubb, to be picked here, but I see the Giants sticking to their draft board and taking the highest-rated player available in Barkley.
3 Jets Josh Rosen - QB, UCLA
We all believe the Jets traded up for a QB, but which one will they pick? This club needs to find the win column quickly, so they go with the game-ready option in Rosen.
4 Browns Bradley Chubb - DE, N.C. State
If Josh Allen is still on the board at No. 4, the Browns will very likely receive calls from QB-needy teams interested in trading into this spot, but it's time for Cleveland to take another blue-chip player here.
5 Buffalo (from Denver) Josh Allen - QB, Wyoming
PROJECTED TRADE WITH BRONCOS. I have the Broncos moving out of this spot in exchange for a package that includes the Bills' two first-rounders this year. Buffalo moves up to grab Allen, the big-armed gunslinger, and sticks him behind AJ McCarron to start the season.
6 Colts Tremaine Edmunds - LB, Virginia Tech
The Colts are still in position to grab guys like Roquan Smith or Quenton Nelson, but I'll give them Edmunds, the freakish LB with the sky-high ceiling.
7 Bucs Denzel Ward - CB, Ohio State
The Bucs could go in a few different directions here, but cornerback happens to be one of their needs, and Ward is likely the best in this draft at that position.
8 Bears Quenton Nelson - OG, Notre Dame
The Bears have a need at guard, and Harry Hiestand, Nelson's O-line coach at Notre Dame, is now the O-line coach for the Bears. Nelson would fit perfectly.
-
Lance is a moron. See my last comment. The colts OWE Luck Nelson. they are not taking an athletic LB when they can help their stud MASSIVE contract QB with a stud inside OL.
Inside running game, is a QB's best friend in todays NFL.
-
Actually, I enjoy reading Lance's evaluations of grades of draft talent on nfl.com. I don't know whether he is any good at mocks but his evaluations are well written.
-
For Nelson to fall to us ALL of the stars will have to align perfectly. Could happen, but I wont be surprised if it doesnt.
-
If we miss out on Nelson, the Idaho OG I would be happy with. His video is kind of cool.
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/03/want-more-bears-mid-round-draft-gems-watch-these-prospects/
-
I like the Georgia OG too.
-
Honestly, I know the hype is there but I will be more surprised if Nelson is not there at #8
-
I certainly hope so, but I read something from Biggs. He sort of poopood the need for Nelson, saying that Kush is sort of a beast himself and is healthy. I dont remember him but Biggs was saying our running game was great with him in there. Makes me wonder if they dont target a different position at #8. OTOH I would be very happy with Nelson. If Long isnt 100% Kush might be the answer in place of Long too. That would solidify the line for next year.
What is the Bears’ current strategy at left guard? I assume it's Quenton Nelson if he falls to them but what if he doesn't? -- @mosconml
We’re going to have to see how that plays out and if the Notre Dame guard Nelson is on the board when the Bears pick at No. 8. I do know that the Bears feel pretty good about Eric Kush, who would have received ample playing time last season if a hamstring injury in training camp hadn’t knocked him out for the season. The Bears believe they were at their best running the ball back in 2016 when Kush was in the lineup. He appeared in eight games and made four starts that season so it’s a little bit of a small sample size but they like Kush. I’d imagine he’s challenged one way or the other. Maybe Nelson is the challenger but we’ll have to wait and see. As I’ve said previously, I’d put some faith in new offensive line coach Harry Hiestand to come up with a pretty good group. I asked Nagy about Kush on Tuesday and he mentioned the job is there for the taking right now.
“A guy that is extremely passionate when he's on that football field. His motor is going,” Nagy said. “He's 110 percent all the time. I think as a rookie when we brought him in, it was almost a little bit too much. And now, from what I've heard, he's at a point right now where he's pulled it back a little bit. He has more experience, so the game slows down a little for him. He's a guy that's gonna grow. He's in a position right now where it's right there for him. You come in here and you just show in training camp what you could do, you never know what could happen.”
-
Total smokescreen on Kush. His primary attribute is he's versatile - he's only started 5 games in his 5 year NFL career (4 of those 5 with the Bears in 2016) with 3 different teams.
Don't believe the hype.
Nagy knows him from KC when Kush came into the league, but he's now a journeyman backup. I'd give him the edge over Jordan Morgan, but I'd bet after the draft its a 3 way race for LG.
-
I am guessing we get a pass rusher or DB at 8 and look for OL help a little later. We need some more bodies to help put Rodgers and Cousins in the dirt.
-
Total smokescreen on Kush.
Doesnt surprise me this time of year.
-
I saw a mock where Nelson went #2 to the Giants. Whatcha gonna do when the Giants take Nelson at #2? Cry a lot? Sure looks like Pace is banking on Nelson at #8.
-
From Biggs's mail bag:
What is your dream scenario for the top seven picks in the draft?
RP: Four quarterbacks go.
Is that realistic?
RP: I don’t know. I think three might be realistic but you never know. We have to prepare for all of those scenarios. We’ll prepare for best case and we’ll prepare for worst case. That’s what is fun this time of year. You have all of your evaluations in. Now we prepare for all of those different things that can transpire.
Have you had a call for the No. 8 pick yet?
RP: We haven’t yet. I’m not surprised. I think that will heat up as you get a little closer. When the Jets came up (from No. 6 to No. 3), they were putting themselves in a position where they know they can (get a player they want) where maybe No. 8 is a little too far back for that. It’s hard to predict.
-
More I think about it I think the pick will be T. Edmunds and I believe he will be there.
19 year old- athletic freak, Pace loves those guys. He can play inside or outside LB. Picking him in 1st still leave us to take best available at ILB or OLB later in draft. Pretty sure he will be our guy.
-
I think he will likely be the pick too, or one of the DB's.
-
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/03/bears-search-for-pass-rush-help-has-unearthed-ivy-league-stud/
-
7th rounder at best probable priority free agent?
-
This could help the Bears:
http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/25132/draft-could-give-browns-a-qb-and-saquon-barkley-bradley-chubb-or-minkah-fitzpatrick
This might allow Nelson to fall to the Bears.
-
A trade down candidate...yes, but hopefully not this far:
Bears In A Trade-Down Spot?
April 1st, 2018 at 9:14pm CST by Sam Robinson
•It’s not outside the realm of possibility that four quarterbacks could go in the top four, should a team trade with the Browns and move into the No. 4 slot, but NFL.com’s Chad Reuter sees one of the passers being available by the time the Bears pick at No. 8. Reuter suggests the Saints as being the team that trades into that draft slot and selects Mayfield, nearly mirroring the move the Chiefs made (from No. 27 to No. 10) last year to take Patrick Mahomes. Mayfield’s 6-foot frame being similar to Drew Brees and his profile as a player who could use some developmental time would line up with the Saints, who would have to almost certainly surrender their 2019 first-rounder and then some to move from 27 to 8.
-
Anthony Miller measured in at 5'11", 190 lbs. today at Memphis's pro day.
He ran a 4.48 40 and did a 39" vertical leap.
-
I agree 27 to 8 is too far. Your chances of landing an impact player diminishes. And a low first rounder in 2019 isn't enough incentive.
Maybe Buffalo at 12 or Arizona at 15 are better possible trading partners.
-
And by 'maybe', you mean 'definitely'...
-
Definitely
-
Patriots have traded Brandon Cooks and a 4th round pick to the Rams for a 1st rounder (#23 overall) and a 6th rounder.
Speculation is they want to package two #1s (#23, #31) and move up again...
-
Brady's replacement?
#23 and #31 is just about a fair trade for #8 using the draft chart.
-
Just to be saying They could get a great QB at 23 or 31. I definitely like the OK State QB. He might be there at #23
-
Interesting: It looks like the draft hinges on what the Giants do at #2.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/3/17190734/nfl-mock-draft-3-0-new-york-giants
-
Lot's of intrigue at the Giant's selection.
-
Yes, they need a QB, and should take one. Eli is 37. Time for moth balls, like battleships. I have seen QBs , Chubb and Nelson in mocks. To me they are a tradedown candidate. They have so many needs. Hard to say what they are going to end up doing.. And I have even seen Denver trading down. Its possible 4 QBs go in the top 5.
-
Nelson, a DB, LB, any of those will help a lot. I even saw one mock where we take the big DT. Vita Vea. They can all help. Nelson is likely the safest pick it n the draft. Barring injury, they already have him in the HOF.
-
I saw the Vea mock. If he can play 3/4 DE like Hicks I'd go for him. I cant say I have seen him play. But he would be a bookend to Hicks. Thats a lot of QB pressure.
-
Ya gotta wonder if the Pats org are kicking themselves for letting Garrapalo go. If he comes out and lights the league up this season, you know they will be....
-
I think he was going to be a free agent so would have left anyway.
-
And Pace approached the Pats about Garrapolo. Apparently the price was either too high or they turned down his overture. I am sure it was the Pats desire to keep him but they suddenly changed course, maybe after finding out he would leave when he was a FA. Nobody to blame but their own system.
-
Don't worry about the Pats, they will plug another guy in and keep on going.
-
Very interesting. If Pace could pull this off.... But I doubt he trades with the Pack.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/06/7-round-chicago-bears-mock-draft-trade/
But it sure does fill a lot of holes and I especially like Wynn.
-
I like Kiper’s much better...not a fan of helping the Pack...
-
Me either, But as you know Kiper is always wrong. However, just saying to be saying that if I cant have Nelson then I would want Wynn instead. I sure dont value Wynn as high as #8 so a trade down with somebody would enhance getting him. So the trade down would be necessary. Staying at 8 with Nelson gone Raquan Smith would be very appealing.
-
We got Wynn in that draft by trading up...
-
Probably with picks we got by trading down from #8.
-
https://theloopsports.com/2018/04/09/bears-7-round-mock-draft-version-1/
-
interesting post about using #8 on Fitzpatrick or James and how they would fit into Fangio's system:
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/4/4/17198182/the-big-nickel-defense-and-the-2018-nfl-draft
I think that's where Id lean towards if Nelson is gone. Far less risk and an immediate impact vs Edmunds.
-
Everyone knows that pass rush is a huge need, but Davenport universally is a stretch at 8. Maybe having a stud secondary with those guys can help hide a developing pass rush the same way a stud pass rush can help mask a suspect secondary and Pace has a plan B for pass rush later in the draft.
Of course I am assuming that all returning starters improve under a familiar system and Prince/Fuller actually catch the damn ball more often than not which frankly was the main reason why the Bears were able to keep them both in the first place.
-
interesting post about using #8 on Fitzpatrick or James and how they would fit into Fangio's system:
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/4/4/17198182/the-big-nickel-defense-and-the-2018-nfl-draft
I think that's where Id lean towards if Nelson is gone. Far less risk and an immediate impact vs Edmunds.
That possibility has been strongly on my mind, which is why I have been leaning towards Roquan Smith if Nelson is gone. He is a side to side LB in the Urlacker mode. And I believe that Minkah is likely gone too at #8. I saw where they brought in Smith for a visit. I just feel James and a few others are not #8 worthy players. It makes Pace's job more difficult. Hopefully 4 QBs go in the top 7.
-
Would you trade our 1st and 2nd for Mack?
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/04/this-is-the-chicago-bears-trade-ryan-pace-must-make-happen/
-
No. It does nothing to solve OL problems.
-
I dont think if I were GM I would do that. First the cost of draft picks and second you are trading for a disgruntled player. Think whats going to happen with Erin in cheese country. Sure pass rushers are very important, but you dont want to destroy your team salary structure for one player, not your QB.
-
I sure wouldnt pass on Minkah at #8. This has him falling to the Pack at #14.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/expert/pete-prisco/
CBS hasnt been right often. But the top 6 dont surprise me. I still think its Darnold at #1.
-
8. CHICAGO BEARS
(5-11) Leighton Vander Esch, OLB, Boise State: They need to get better at linebacker and some scouts have compared Vander Esch to Luke Kuechly.
I have not seen this kid go anywhere near this high, or heard the comparison....
-
But he has been climbing up the draft boards. I think Roquan Smith is more developed. Smith is a plug and play next to Trevathan from day one. But I sure wouldnt pass on Smith or Mikah for Vander Esch.
-
VE is this years combine physical specimen to fly up the boards. Edmunds/Smith are likely a better choice.
-
With Daniels inked to be backup QB, I would still expect the Bears to consider a mid-late round draft choice at the QB position as a developmental/3rd string guy.
I'm starting to doubt he'll be available, as he is starting to push up a few draft boards, but if he is there in the 6th/7th round, I'd draft this guy:
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2018/03/21/max-browne-nfl-quarterback-pitt-usc-pittsburgh-panthers-pro-day-pat-narduzzi-sam-darnold/stories/201803210198
-
Do I think so? not really. I would think if there were such a player they liked that was available after the draft they might. I just think they'd invest in a punter late in the draft as opposed to a QB. OTOH Pace has always said he is a fan of drafting a QB each year. I just dont believe they have the pick to spend. Now were they to drop down in the 1st round and gained back that 3rd they gave up I might change my opinion. I just dont see it as a viable use of a pick this year.
-
Maybe the Bears start looking at developmental QBs, when the Bears become a perennial playoff team, but right now we need offensive lineman, defensive lineman, corner-backs, possibly wide receivers, and definitely pass rushing LBers. Bears got to get lucky with their 5 picks in rounds 4 thru 7.
And why draft a punter? O'Donnell had the 8th highest average in the NFL (47.0) which is pretty good considering half his games were in Soldier field.
-
I don't think we trade down in round 1. Maybe if it is only a few spots, like to Miami.
I think it more likely Pace repeats 2017 and trades down in round 2 and picks up an extra pick or two later in the draft.
Normally I'd agree you wouldn't spend a pick there, but Pace seems to understand it is the most important position on the field.
While Trubisky offers a lot of promise, we don't know what we have yet. He could regress, injury could happen (Teddy Bridgewater!), etc.
I just think Browne looks like a great developmental investment. He has prototypical size and accuracy you can't teach.
-
Accuracy is pretty damned important, otherwise, Lamar Jackson would be the top prospect in this draft.
-
If he falls down to the 4th... sounds like a great pickup.
If he can be groomed ala Garrapolo might lead to upside in the future.
Really need to focus on the lines though.
-
method, I don't think he'll go before round 5.
Crazier things have happened though. It only takes one team to fall in love with the guy...
-
Rummaging around I can't see the Bear getting either the nc state de or domer guard unless Pace goes off again an trades up. Those two are just too damn good at what they do. You got the 3 qbs and Barkley then the math goes wonky for Chicago.
-
Ridley may be back in play (after a trade down).
-
OH Wundebar! Ridley? I thought we were done with him. Good Grief, the board goes from QB talk to Ridley.
-
If he falls down to the 4th... sounds like a great pickup.
If he can be groomed ala Garrapolo might lead to upside in the future.
Really need to focus on the lines though.
I don't see Lamar Jackson getting out of the 2nd round of the draft. Pretty exciting player, an established team with a sound QB position could take him. Vikings? I don't see the Packers taking a swing on him and jeopardizing their deteriorating relationship with Rodgers.
-
Trade down scenarios:
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/04/expect-these-teams-to-call-the-bears-about-a-draft-trade-up/
-
Cardinals or Pats trade would be awesome... pats trade would give us a LOT of ammo.
-
Interesting:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/12/mel-kiper-plays-gm-for-bears-in-3-round-mock-draft/
Of course, we are talking about Kiper who is never right. And about 2 players who could be gone when the Bears are on the clock. So lets Woo Hoo and move on
The trade downs above are interesting. I certainly wouldnt move down below 15.
-
Talk about QBs. We expected this or at least I did:
Buffalo Bills could be closing in on trade with New York Giants
by Sayre Bedinger 3 days ago Follow @sayrebedinger
Reading some of the tea leaves, the Buffalo Bills appear to be closing in on a deal to move into the top five, presumably with the New York Giants…
There’s nothing more fun than reading tea leaves two weeks before the NFL Draft. For Buffalo Bills fans, there might be a bit of exciting news on the way, though nothing is concrete at this point.
What is concrete is that the Bills and their top decision makers are going to be flying to Los Angeles on Friday for a private workout with USC quarterback Sam Darnold, and there’s something to read into there.
What does it all mean?
The Bills are said to be going to L.A. on Friday to workout Darnold. Could they be closing in on a deal to move up?
— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) April 10, 2018
There are a few reasons to think the Bills could be closing in on a deal to move up to the second overall pick specifically with this bit of news.
1. The Giants can greatly benefit from a slew of picks
The Giants, more than needing a quarterback, really have a lot of holes to fill on their roster in general. Specifically, on defense. This type of move would allow them to fill those holes, get a pair of first round picks and an additional pair of second round picks in this year’s draft as well as likely a very high pick in 2019.
It would also allow the Giants to press forward with a ‘win now’ mentality. Drafting a quarterback would signify that this team is getting ready to start fresh soon, and they may be willing to push that three years down the line.
Their recent decision to ask for too much in an Odell Beckham trade (they could have gotten at least a first round pick) indicates their interest in winning now.
2. Darnold wouldn’t do this if the Bills had not shot to get him
Do you think Darnold would be putting himself through a workout for a team that had no shot of getting him?
The guy wouldn’t even throw for every team at the Scouting Combine, so no.
Darnold is allowing the Bills to put him through a private workout because they are serious about going up and getting him, and may even have a deal in place to do so (speculation on my part).
3. Recent rumors indicate the Browns prefer Josh Allen
If the Browns prefer Josh Allen, it makes sense that the Bills would jump at the opportunity to move up and get Darnold. They have so many picks this year to get it done, and they — more than any other team — decided to put all their eggs in the draft basket.
There’s no other way to ensure they get the guy they want than to trade up into the second overall spot, and the Giants may be getting an offer they can’t refuse.
If the top pick is going to be Allen — which this news may also indicate is a strong probability — then the Bills could be acting quickly to ensure they get either Darnold or Allen, who have been rumored to be the top quarterbacks on their board.
Conclusion
This workout with the Bills less than two weeks before the draft is a huge story for Bills fans hoping for a franchise quarterback. It looks like now, more than ever before, that this team has something in place in regards to a trade and is close to getting their shot at one of the top two quarterbacks on their board.
-
here is the preview of Edge Rushers and OLBs:
https://dawindycity.com/2018/04/14/chicago-bears-best-edge-options/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Chubb is gone. Carter is raw but he might could maake it to the 2nd round. And the Bears brought in Arden Key for a visit. We shall see.
-
I read somewhere the Giants want to go with Barkley and skip a QB this year. That could change lots of things in the draft.
-
I think Giants want to trade down and get either Barkley or Chubb, If Bronco's want to move up that would be their prefered trade target, but dont rule out the jets at 6.
-
Jets traded up from 6-3 with the Colts.
-
I love Lorenzo Carter. I’d be ecstatic if we took him in the 2nd.
-
He is one tough guy. I liked him a lot except against ND ;D
-
Bears might get him in a trade down, but he'll be gone by round 2.
Along with Landry, and Davenport all could be had with a trade down.
-
Yeah, probably Nelson too with a tradedown. Hopefully Pace has a plan.
-
But 4 QBs in the top 5 should leave somebody good at #8. Personally I cant understand Denver taking a QB at #5.
-
I would be shocked if the top of the 1st went like this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770124-2018-nfl-mock-draft-complete-updated-1st-round-projections
-
That is so unreal its pathetic. Its more like the man in the moon and green cheese.
-
With the NFL Draft only a little over two weeks away, we take a look at who 15 analysts think the Bears will select with the No. 8 pick in the first round:
Will Brinson, CBS Sports (April 13)
Pick: Florida State safety Derwin James
Comment: Not necessarily a position of need, per se, but James is a ridiculous athlete with a stupid high ceiling who can be used all over the place on defense.
Bucky Brooks, NFL.com (April 12)
Pick: Ohio State cornerback Denzel Ward
Comment: Despite the Bears' focus on upgrading the offense earlier this offseason, adding an electric cover corner with exceptional speed, quickness and movement skills is a top priority for Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy.
Charley Casserly, NFL.com (April 3)
Pick: Ohio State cornerback Denzel Ward
Comment: This pick gives the Bears two talented young cornerbacks with Ward joining Kyle Fuller in the secondary.
Charles Davis, NFL.com (April 3)
Pick: Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson
Comment: If you draft your franchise QB in 2017 (Mitchell Trubisky), you continue to surround him with weapons and protect him in 2018. The middle of the OL for the Bears will be formidable with Pro Bowl OG Kyle Long, talented C Cody Whitehair, and now Nelson, the best OL in this year's draft.
Nate Davis, USA Today (April 5)
Pick: Alabama cornerback Minkah Fitzpatrick
Comment: They spent free agency putting new pieces around QB Mitchell Trubisky and would surely like to count Nelson as part of that effort. Barring that, there's probably not another offensive player on GM Ryan Pace's top-10 radar. But Fitzpatrick would enhance a defense charged with combating slot receivers like Randall Cobb, Golden Tate and Stefon Diggs. Fitzpatrick could eventually settle into a safety combo with former 'Bama teammate Eddie Jackson if Adrian Amos moves on in free agency next year.
Adam Jahns, Chicago Sun-Times (April 16)
Pick: Georgia linebacker Roquan Smith
Comment: Smith's natural instincts and speed outweigh concerns about his size (6-1, 236 pounds). He fits the mold for linebackers in today's pass-happy NFL. It starts with him being quick and fast enough to cover running backs out of the backfield.
Maurice Jones-Drew, NFL.com (April 10)
Pick: Notre Dame tackle Mike McGlinchey
Comment: With all the new weapons added in free agency, Chicago needs to protect its franchise quarterback. McGlinchey, whose college O-line coach (Harry Hiestand) is now with the Bears, will help do just that.
Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN (April 4)
Pick: Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson
Comment: I thought about a linebacker here, but Nelson fills a big hole and should help Mitchell Trubisky.
Todd McShay, ESPN (April 4)
Pick: Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson
Comment: Josh Sitton is gone, and Nelson would represent a big upgrade. This continues a promising offseason trend of Chicago giving Trubisky what he needs to succeed.
Pete Prisco, CBS Sports (April 5)
Pick: Boise State outside linebacker Leighton Vander Esch
Comment: They need to get better at linebacker and some scouts have compared Vander Esch to Luke Kuechly.
Peter Schrager, NFL.com (April 3)
Pick: Ohio State cornerback Denzel Ward
Comment: Chicago continues its outstanding off-season with another young piece for the defense. Ward was a stud in a defensive backfield that included 2017 first-round picks Malik Hooker, Marshon Lattimore, and Gareon Conley. He's a top-10 pick, and going to Chicago at No. 8 seems right.
Chris Trapasso, CBS Sports (April 9)
Pick: Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson
Comment: The Bears need a guard and have Nelson's college coach on staff. Don't overthink it, Chicago.
R.J. White, CBS Sports (April 12)
Pick: Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson
Comment: The board falls in what may be the best-case scenario for the Bears, with Nelson plugging one of the team's biggest needs. Chicago surprisingly declined Josh Sitton's option, making guard one of their key needs that has yet to be addressed this offseason. There's some speculation he could handle tackle as well, and the Bears could use an upgrade on the right side at that position. Worst case, they'll have a locked-in interior lineman with All-Pro upside.
Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports (April 4)
Pick: Virginia Tech linebacker Tremaine Edmunds
Comment: Edmunds is a physical freak, even by combine standards. He's only 19 years old and the Bears have other needs, but after landing WR Allen Robinson in free agency Edmunds makes sense here.
Lance Zierlein, NFL.com (March 27)
Pick: Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson
Comment: The Bears have a need at guard, and Harry Hiestand, Nelson's O-line coach at Notre Dame, is now the O-line coach for the Bears. Nelson would fit perfectly.
-
This makes sense:
https://beargoggleson.com/2018/04/17/chicago-bears-mock-draft-3-0-post-cam-meredith/
-
I'd give Pace an A+ if he can pull that draft off. Sure seems to hit all our needs. And I like that Toth OT. I saw an article on him saying the Bears might get him as a UDFA. Well I'd rather draft the guy.
-
I don't think Pace can get an A+ without a 3rd rounder. Maybe in 2 or 3 years but not a day after the draft.
DJ Moore looks like a nice player and would fill a need short and long term but we really really need an edge rusher with one of our first 2 picks.
-
Well like Jackson they got one in the 4th. If he is healthy it is a bargain. And in my world beggars cant be choosers. So 4th or 2nd makes no difference if the guy can play.
-
Duke Ejiofor would be a good 4th round pick, but Pace has been 50/50 with his 4th rounders. He hit on Cohen and Jackson last year. In 2016 Kwiatkowski was a nice find, but Deiondre Hall and Deon Bush haven't done anything. And 2015s Jeremy Langford wasn't all that great either.
Ejiofor looks to be more powerful than quick but you can't argue about his productivity, especially in 2016.
-
I understand your concern, but the class as a whole except for Chubb isnt what I call outstanding for Edge rushers. To find a diamond in the 4th is worth the g@mble. And since we dont have that third and our dire need for Nelson at #8 thats a pretty dang good haul. I find it difficult to complain if the Wake guy is healthy
.
-
I like Warner in the 5th...think there's some upside there...
-
Isn't Warner more of a 4-3 OLB? Are you projecting him to ILB?
-
Dont we need one to replace our druggie?
-
Not if he only weighs 227lbs...reports have him as more of a rover/OLB/safety, but very athletic.
-
I see him as a safety/hybrid, insurance if Amos goes FA next season, and a special teams asset...
-
If we want an ILB in that Round 5 area, I'd hope that Genard Avery of Memphis is still on the board.
-
I would love to see us be able to drop a few spots and still get one of the top lbs, then move up from our 2nd and pick up the #2,#3 guard.
-
I'm with you. Assuming Nelson is gone and one of the QBs drops (Rosen?). We then swap with the Bills.
We give up #8 and our 2nd rounder for their #12 and #22. Bears value is 1910 and the Bills is a bit higher at 1980.
Bears take Davenport or Landry at 12 (before the Pack's pick at 14) and then take guard Isiah Wynn at 22. Then a long break until round 4.
-
I could live with that Dallas if Nelson is gone. Getting Wynn is a necessary consolation prize. But in that draft we got Nelson which I am hoping we do. I think with 4 QBs going we stand a fighting chance Nelson is there at #8.
-
But if you read what it said before they started that draft, they said the Bears might have to trade down. It does seem that they believe the Bears want Nelson to be there at #8.
-
I could live with that scenario as well.
-
If this pans out it doesnt look like we trade down and are stuck at #8 as all the good QBs are gone and so is Nelson:
https://beargoggleson.com/2018/04/18/top-8-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-josh-allen-goes-1/
Me no likee
-
Well if that draft above holds true this could be Hiestand's reward:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/17/bears-switching-dl-rashaad-coward-to-guard-position/
At least he has the size for it.
-
If Browns pass on Darnold... they are nuts.
-
Yeah, I don't know what I would do if I am Cleveland. I might take Chubb #1 and take whomever is left at #4. The bust factor on those QBs is so high.
-
If Cleveland plans to take a QB, they have to do it at #1. They can't settle. They need to pick one and own it.
-
They are cursed - doesn't matter who they take...
-
Dave is right. I think lots of folks have Darnold ahead of Allen.
Allen has a huge arm, but he is a massive project in terms of foot work, reads, throwing on the run etc.
Darnold is a gamer all around, the full on measurables are not at Allen's level, but there is no way I would take Allen over Darnold... just none.
-
The worst thing that can happen to Cleveland if they take Darnold with their first pick is that Barkley and Chubb go #2 and #3. Then they get to choose between Nelson and Edmunds OR they trade down to all the teams wanting a chance to draft the second QB in the draft and add to their haul of picks.
Even Cleveland couldn't screw up this draft.
-
Going on record today - Tremaine Edmunds is my guy.
Wouldn't be disappointed with Nelson assuming we can get an OLB in round 2. If Edmunds is the Bears' pick then I'm looking at a lineman like Connor Williams from Texas in round 2. Round 2 looks like another opportunity for Pace to trade down - should be able find a nice WR later in round 2 if no lineman warrants a round 2 grade.
-
ISF Mock draft or "Expect the unexpected"
1. Browns - Saquon Barkley
Best athlete available. Barkley immediately makes any offense a lot better. All-Pro talent.
2. Denver (from Giants) - Sam Darnold
John Elway might trust the Jets to screw up, but Cleveland has an actual GM now.
3. Jets - Josh Rosen
No time for a project, so it is the NFL-ready QB from UCLA
4. Browns - Baker Mayfield
Admit it, you thought Allen was going here. Dorsey takes a field general over a waiting period.
5. Giants - Quenton Nelson
Eli's fine! We just need to keep him upright!
6. Indianapolis - Bradley Chubb
We have 2 QBs. We need someone that can play D.
7. Buffalo (from Tampa) - Josh Allen
We need a QB! There's only one left!
8. Bears - Denzel Ward
Amukamara gets pushed to 3rd CB, where he belongs.
9. San Fran - Roquan Smith
OK, so we were wrong about our last SEC LB. We're going to that well again...
10. Oakland - Minkah Fitzpatrick
*&^*&%^ 49ers...
11. Miami - Calvin Ridley
You might have heard...we need WR worse than the Bears.
12. Tampa Bay (from Buffalo) - Mike McGlinchey
Left Tackles don't grow on palm trees.
13. Redskins - Vita Vea
We're introducing the 1-6 defense. Vea is our DL. Not a lineman...the whole line.
14. Green Bay - Josh Jackson
We could use some pass defenders and Jackson is a ball hawk.
15. Arizona - Tremaine Edmunds
Defense wins championships...also, all the QBs are gone...
16. Baltimore - Derwin James
We're not sure how he dropped to us...but we likey
17. Chargers - Marcus Davenport
A guy this fast off the edge should have a lightning bolt on his uniform somewhere...
18. Seattle - Mike Hughes
We just got rid of all our corners!
19. Dallas - Dallas Goedert
We like his name! Besides, Witten is no spring chicken...
20. Detroit - Orlando Brown
We'd take a WR, but Millen isn't GM anymore!
21. Cincinatti - Will Hernandez
Dalton actually plays well when he doesn't have to run for his life.
22. Buffalo - Derrius Guice
McCoy's washed up. Just ask Chip Kelly.
23. New England - Lamar Jackson
Your grandma could learn to play QB behind Tom Brady.
24. Carolina - Courtland Sutton
We had to. Cam threatened to leave...
25. Tennessee - Rashaad Evans
He's from Alabama, he has to be good, right? Right?
26. Atlanta - Taven Bryan
We have an offense and Adrian is gone...
27. New Orleans - Hayden Hurst
Drew, you have a TE again...
28. Pittsburgh - Arden Key
Tomlin will keep him motivated.
29. Jacksonville - Kolton Miller
Our D is great, need some bodies for the O
30. Minnesota - Braden Smith
Need to keep the new billionaire QB healthy
31. New England - James Washington
We traded Cooks. Now we replace him.
32. Philadelphia - Jaire Alexander
Teams will be playing catch up. Adding to the pass protection
-
Dallas isnt going to replace Witten... he will play there till he's 50 something.
-
I dont see the Bears taking Ward.
-
Taking the TE would make sense for the Cowboys, but with the loss of Dez Bryant and their defensive concerns at linebacker and safety, TE might be later in the draft.
Ward would be a solid pick for the Bears. Very fast and productive, though undersized. Top CB in the draft but at 8 we might be able to drop down a few spots and still find him. Bears could go many different ways at 8 if Nelson goes.
-
I am not impressed with this lot except for Chubb who will be gone by #8:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-nfl-draft-edge-rushers-20180419-story.html
Maybe Davenport with a short drop. He has the size but is very raw.
-
Davenport and Landry are first round trade down options - but not at 8.
Is there a weaker position on the Bears?
-
Left Guard
-
Take your pick:
LG:
Eric Kush
Earl Watford
Jordan Morgan
Bears also have the flexibility to draft a center that can move Cody Whitehair to guard.
OLB:
Aaron Lynch
Sam Acho
Howard Jones
Isiah Irving
-
OLB
-
Take your pick at LG? None!
-
Interesting:
https://beargoggleson.com/2018/04/20/chicago-bears-draft-preview-linebacker-tiers/
I guess Edmunds is the best of the best. I still think he is raw. I am not sure he is productive from day one. Only 19.
-
Edmunds turns 20 in a couple weeks (in case you want to send him a birthday card).
His role at Virginia Tech was not as a pass rusher, yet he recorded 5.5 sacks. There's guys projected to go in the first round with less sacks than Edmunds last season.
The only reservation with Edmunds is that Bears may not know immediately which position may be the best for him (may be ILB may be OLB). Bears had the same issue with another linebacker they drafted in the first round who wore #54.
Edmunds is a football player not just a combine Olympian - he could excel at multiple spots. Personally, I think the Bears would like to try him at OLB, but they may need some patience with him while he learns the techniques in how to rush the passer lining up outside an offensive tackle. Fortunately, the OLB position is one where you can give a guy a certain number of snaps a game (unlike an offensive lineman).
Nelson is the odds on favorite at 8, but Edmunds is probably the next guy. Another option I like is a trade down from 8 to take Davenport and a trade up at 39 to take on of the top guards.
-
Anyone opposed to trading up for Chubb?
-
For the player? No, but at what cost....
-
A trade up to #6 from #8 is 200 points.
Would have to give up a little bit more than both 4th and our 5th rounders.
Or give up our 2nd rounder for Indy's 3rd, 5th and 6th rounders. So we end up with a 1, 3, 2 4s, 2 5s, 2 6s, and a 7. Hmmm.
-
Anyone opposed to trading up for Chubb?
Yes.
-
I don't think we move up. We still need too much help. I'll be ok with Nelson, one of the LB or DBs or a trade down.....like my vote counts :-)
-
Mine either
-
anyone got 4th to late round pass rushers they are keeping an eye on? Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Hercules Mata’afa, etc?
-
There are 3 good centers who look to go about early second round. It would be easy to take one and slide Whitehair to left guard.
-
VJ
The 4th round edge guys either are too slow, too short, too light, too injury prone. I guess thats why they are projected 4th round and beyond. I really like Josh Sweat but he could go in early round 3. Maybe Marquise Haynes will be there in R4 but he's kind of small.
davebear
From listening to Nagy he really likes General Whitehair at center. I think they'll be looking at pure guard. They have Kush who will either start at LG or be the first interior lineman off the bench. As I said before I'd like a trade down/trade up scenario so we can get a pass rusher in mid first round and one of the touted guards in late first round/early second.
Then in round 4 either go RT project, corner or wideout (assuming OLB/guard in R1 and R2).
-
Haynes is light, but he does get to the QB well...
-
I like that Army guy for OT. He'd be a good guy to develop.
-
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/04/ranking-the-5-most-likely-picks-for-the-bears-at-8/
-
Landry is a reach at #8. I dont see his value at #8.
-
I can hear you now:
"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong"
Not only is Harold Landry not ranked in the top 10 by grade, but I haven't seen him in any mock going top 10.
I would put Tremaine Edwards in that list ahead of Landry, but Landry does address arguably the biggest need for the Bears. And he's no slouch.
Pace could go in so many different directions at 8. Edwards could be an ILB or OLB. Roquan Smith is a great talent though I think his best position is 4-3 LBer. Both Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick would be an upgrade over Adrian Amos, who had a nice season, but lets not get carried away now.
And Denzel Ward would be a guy you tell to follow Devonte Adams every play. Prince Amukamora was decent but come on, he's hasn't had a pick in 2 or 3 years.
Its looking more and more like Nelson will be gone and I'm thinking if Pace can find a partner then a trade down is quite possible.
-
I completely agree. Well said.
-
I've seen this but I dont remember posting it. Here is Brad Biggs 2.0:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-nfl-mock-draft-biggs-photos-20180420-photogallery.html.
I dont see it his way but he seems to arrive at the right end at #8. I see Buffalo ending at#2 and I dont see Mayfield to the Jets, but we'll find out Thursday.
-
This is interesting , but I am getting tired of mocks and guesses. Bring on Thursday:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-nfl-draft-roquan-smith-20180420-story.html
-
I just really dont see the Giants moving down to #12. I doubt they want to move down that far but the Bears might. Whereas the Giants might be willing to move down to #8. A 3 way?. But if I am the Bears I want to see who's available at #8 before I trade.
-
I am afraid this affects the draft:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/20/kevin-whites-5th-year-option-would-cost-bears-nearly-14-million/
Somehow I dont see the Bears guaranteeing Kevin White 14 million. I am sure Dallas would. I look for the Bears to go after a wideout in the draft and not a slot receiver type like Ridley/Miller.
-
Um no way in hellll do I give Kevin White 14 mil, until he plays at LEAST 16 games. PERIOD.
-
Yeah, and not 16 total games, 16 games in the same season.
-
The article says they can cut him before it becomes guaranteed next season. It's more of a no-brainer that they exercise that option and make the decision then when they have more information. If by some miracle, he is healthy and plays well, then you negotiate an extension with the guarantee date as a deadline.
-
Pace never gave Fuller that 5th year. And he wouldn't even pay Meridith $10M over 2 years. Both contributed a lot more than White.
Non-story.
With White most likely a FA next year and Meridith gone - you'd think the Bears will be drafting a WR in 2nd or in 4th round.
-
Regarding the draft, Pace's history suggests a player like Edmunds. Young, ascending, physically gifted, high ceiling. The concern would be what his floor is. If we are looking at Ward, Fitzpatrick, and Edmunds all available at 8, what are the chances we go with Edmunds?
It is interesting to consider Fitzpatrick, might he be the next Charles Woodson? It seems that Nelson has the can't miss tag on him, but he is not a playmaker... but should make our playmakers better.
Lots of interesting story lines
-
I know it may not mean much but from playing that stupid draft game it seems like this draft isn't very deep at OG or OLB after the early ones get gone. It seems to be deeper at CB and Wr later in the draft.
-
The only knock I saw on Edmunds is he is slow to diagnose plays and react.
That could be due to lack of experience or he simply lacks the instinct.
I've never seen anything negative on Fitzpatrick, everyone else I have.
-
But if Edmunds is playing OLB, the need to be able to diagnose plays is somewhat diminished. The question is can he learn to play outside and how long will it take for him to be effective. Given we already have 2 starters at OLB he might not be asked to be a full time player right away and can develop OJT.
I've pretty much accepted that we'll be taking Nelson if he's there. Everyone talks about how important it is for Nelson to protect Trubisky. And that's valid but its not his main value. Bears must have led the league in negative or 1 yard rush plays. We need someone that we know we can run behind and open some damn running lanes.
I really like Edmunds but I wouldn't be disappointed if Pace trades down and gets another pass rusher but enhances our position later on to get one of the better guards...or possibly a CB. I really miss not having that 3rd rounder.
-
I just want to bring this up. I am not trying to rain on anybody's parade but you do know that some guys fill out there bodies later than others. Edmunds may already have his manly body at 19. I am just leary of Edmunds right now. We dont know for sure what we are getting right now
-
Not too concerned with Edmunds peaking physically at 19. The kid is already bigger (and faster) than Leonard Floyd is now. I'd bet he can put on a few more lbs once he gets under the control of an NFL team (most 19/20 year olds naturally put on some weight into there 20s)
If you want a pure 4-3 LB then pick Roquan Smith - much less risky. Though many Bear fans project him at MLB he might be better suited for OLB. But he could probably play any 4-3 LBer spot.
Edmunds best position is a bit of an unknown and there's the risk. Maybe the Bears play him at ILB next to Trevathian on first and second down and then on a passing 3rd down they slide him to OLB/DE when the Bears go 4-3. The Bears did something like this with Rosevelt Colvin when he played 4-3 SLB and moved to LDE on passing downs.
Nelson appears to be the guy for the Bears, but the problem is he appears to be the guy for a couple other teams. If Nelson goes then it could be Edmunds, Fitzpatrick and Denzel Ward is getting a lot of attention. As well as Roquan Smith.
-
Those are the same 4 I think will be available. This is going to be a draft to second guess this pick for sure. If we don't chose the elite player from that 4, we will be ridiculed again. Edmunds is the one wild card of the the 4, the other 3 project as solid to all pro players. Edmunds could end up being the freak or a dud by comparison. Nelson would be the safest, but also the most meh. He's a guard. Not scoring touchdowns, and not sacking the QB.
-
Not too concerned with Edmunds peaking physically at 19. The kid is already bigger (and faster) than Leonard Floyd is now. I'd bet he can put on a few more lbs once he gets under the control of an NFL team (most 19/20 year olds naturally put on some weight into there 20s)
If he got up to around 290 he could be that dominant 3/4 DE we dont have. Its just he is so young and underdeveloped he is hard to project.
-
I think I read yesterday that the Bucs are locked in on Ward at #7...think it was McShay reporting that...
-
Hoges top 20:
http://wgnradio.com/2018/04/23/hoge-2018-bears-big-board/
-
At first I was leery of Roquan Smith, based on his size, but I read that Ray Lewis and Von Miller were actually the same size. Plus everyone raves about his instincts, which is the knock on Edmunds. Which would you rather have size/speed or instincts?
Nelson is my hands down first choice, but if we go D, boy I am not sure who I want.
-
Ok after watching Derwin James highlight reel, I could see him helping us:
https://theloopsports.com/2018/04/23/bears-complete-seven-round-mock-draft-3-0/
-
I think Derwin is a difference maker, but a little high at 8th. would prefer him after a small trade down where we pick up a 3rd rounder.
-
The knock on Edmunds is that he doesn't have the best instincts for an ILB. But just as his body is still developing so is his brain - there's some growth potential mentally also considering he is about to turn 20.
You don't draft rookies for what hole they can fill next season - you have to have a longer term outlook. I'd bet if Edmunds is drafted that he doesn't start right away and some folks will use that against him. But then again old #54 didn't start right away either.
-
OK, check that...it's not Ward who McShay says is a lock to TB at #7...it's James.
Also, McShay seems to think that the Raiders really want Roquan Smith, and that they may trade up with the Bears to make sure they get him.
What could we get from Oakland to swap #1s with them?
-
Raiders may believe that the 49ers at 9 want Smith too. The 49ers Reuben Foster is in trouble with the law and Lynch is threatening to cut him if the charges hold.
So assuming the Bears are not in love with Nelson or Nelson is already gone then the Bears could drop 2 slots to 10. Also could mean Edmunds will be taken by the 49ers and Bears could be left with a choice between Denzel Ward and Fitzpatrick.
Bears would get Oakland's 4th and 5th rounder which would give the Bears enough picks to trade back into 3rd round.
-
Would the Niners pass on Nelson?
If Nelson was there at 8, and the Raiders and Niners both wanted defense...we could maybe get Nelson at 10?
Unless, of course, someone traded up to 9...or the Niners told Pace that someone was interested in moving up to get Nelson ahead of him...
-
If Nelson is at 8 and Pace really wants him - he better not get cute and drop 2 slots and hope he's there at 10.
Unless Pace really wants Edmunds!
-
If Nelson is there at 8, which I dont think is going to happen, I would sprint up to the podium and not look back.
-
This would have us staying up a little later on Thu night:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php
-
To me with Edmunds vs Smith, I think of Urlacher vs Briggs. Smith has a high floor and would possibly be a pro-bowler candidate often. Edmunds has the potential to be at the Urlacher level.......or may never put it all together. I do thank I like the odds of Edmunds covering some of the better TEs in the league.
-
Yeah, Urlacher was a rover/safety in college and was tried at SLB when the Bears drafted him and he couldn't beat out Colvin. I think they also tried him at DE.
Then Barry Minter got hurt...
Nelson is the safe pick at 8 - Edmunds is the riskiest pick. Everyone else available at 8 are in between.
I wonder if the Colts at 6 call the Bears if Nelson is available since they know that Pace likes to trade up in R1.
-
If the Colts were foolish enough to call the Bears and ask to do a deal, I'd jump on it
-
I think that would be a bad deal for the Bears. They can get a quality player at 8. If Bears trade up 2 spots they have to give up both 4th rounders, 5th rounder and 6th rounder.
Rosenbloom was suggesting this today in the Trib.
-
Bears want: Nelson
I want: Edmunds
Bears end up with: Roquan Smith or Denzel Ward (not sure yet which one)
-
That walterfootball mock is garbage. Terrible picks, and what did we get back from Arizona? I don't see any additional picks...unless we're getting their #1 next year as well.
-
Dallas, you may be sorry for wanting Edmunds.
-
Really? How do you know?
-
What i have yet to see evaluated is how Edmunds gets off blocks.
All the highlights I see show him in the open field chasing somebody down.
-
Really? How do you know?
I know no more than you do.
-
What i have yet to see evaluated is how Edmunds gets off blocks.
All the highlights I see show him in the open field chasing somebody down.
What Urlacher did for years....
-
What i have yet to see evaluated is how Edmunds gets off blocks.
All the highlights I see show him in the open field chasing somebody down.
So you're telling me he's unblockable?
I don't have a crystal ball on Edmunds - he could very well bust out. But I see this kid flying around the field with 4.5 speed and these long arms and he's recorded 2 seasons of 100 tackles each, and sacks and all these tackles for loss, and forced fumbles ...and all this before he's even 20 years old.
Yeah, you could say he caught my attention.
Instead of poo-pooing my guy - who's your guy?
-
Good article this morning in the trib and a reminder to us all. Pace shared that if they have conviction on a player and the whole building in in agreement, they will move up to get him. I don't expect them to move up, but if they are sitting at 8 and Nelson is their guy, they will not get cute to drop to Raiders pick and risk Nelson going at 9. If Nelson is their guy but he is gone, and they have Edmunds, Fitzpatrick, and Ward all in the same bag - then a good possibility that Pace could make that trade with Oakland.
And shock the world ;D ;D
-
I wouldn't be shocked at all if they move down a bit.
I also wouldn't be shocked if they moved up a bit if Chubb were to fall a little.
If someone moves to the NYG to get a QB and 4 QBs + Barkley go in the top 5, that could leave Nelson and Chubb sitting there at 6.
-
What i have yet to see evaluated is how Edmunds gets off blocks.
All the highlights I see show him in the open field chasing somebody down.
So you're telling me he's unblockable?
I don't have a crystal ball on Edmunds - he could very well bust out. But I see this kid flying around the field with 4.5 speed and these long arms and he's recorded 2 seasons of 100 tackles each, and sacks and all these tackles for loss, and forced fumbles ...and all this before he's even 20 years old.
Yeah, you could say he caught my attention.
Instead of poo-pooing my guy - who's your guy?
Feeling a little sensitive?
I said nothing negative about Edmunds. Just that I would like to see more evaluation. There's a long line of "physical freaks" who couldn't play in the NFL.
-
I was thinking last night how I would have MY draft board:
1 B Chubb
2 S Barkley
3 Q Nelson
4 Derwin James (I just think this kid is a stud)
5 R Smith/ T Edmunds (I just cant decide on the two)
6 M Fitzpatrick
So if 4 QBs go we will get Nelson or James, I would be happy with either. If only 3 go, we pick a LB or Fitz or trade down. In a small trade down I would look at Landry, Davenport, James.
-
Feeling a little sensitive?
I said nothing negative about Edmunds. Just that I would like to see more evaluation. There's a long line of "physical freaks" who couldn't play in the NFL.
Not really. Edmunds has quite a few question marks and is not the finished product that Smith, James, Ward or Fitzpatrick are. But he's not just a combine freak. He has 3 years of experience - 2 where he was the starter and the production to go along with it.
Bears were in somewhat of a similar situation in 2000 where there was a decision between Plaxico Burress, Thomas Jones and Brian Urlacher. But back in 2000 the first 2 guys were taken before Urlacher and Bears took a chance on the freak without a legit NFL position.
But as I said, not just directed to you, I'd like to see more posts on who folks think the Bears should taken if Nelson is off the board. Sounds like boogie likes the safety James.
-
You are correct sir. Watching James highlight reel made me a convert. I also wouldnt be too upset with Smith/Edmunds or Fitzpatrick. I WOULD be upset with another Shea McClellin though.
-
I think boogie has the right of it. Very liveable. please no more reaches with "high potential".
-
FYI Bucs at 7 are very high on James. More of a SS but a definite upgrade over Amos.
If Nelson is gone its looking more and more like Roquan Smith vs Denzel Ward. Both are a bit undersized - Smith projects more as a 4-3 WLB and Ward would be an ideal nickel as his size may be a liability against the run.
A while back the draft was based on what the Giants did at 2, but now it appears they're going with Barkley. So now the key pick is the Colts at 6. If they stand pat that means one less QB is taken before the Bears #8 but opens up more trade down options.
On to the 2nd round....if we get Nelson in round 1 I want Lorenzo Carter. Or Josh Sweat if we trade down.
-
I don't have a favorite, but I am intrigued by what Charley Casserly projected.
The bears could put Fitzpatrick in the slot and shut down tight ends as well as making big plays in the middle of the field.
From that position you can also blitz him and surprise the offense for more big plays.
-
If we get Nelson at #8 then I would love Lorenzo Carter at #39, otherwise I suppose Raquan Smith then or Minkah. I believe we need to protect Trubisky. We definitely need to fill that big hole at LG.
-
You know how you protect Trubisky? Get wide receivers that get some separation so Trubisky isn't standing their waiting for someone to get open. Hopefully, we accomplished that with the Bears' THREE FA receivers.
We need the upgrade at LG to open holes for Howard and Cohen. Maybe the passing game helps there as they had no respect for Gentry, Inman, etc.
The problem if we go with a MLB or CB in round 1 we still need a pass rusher and we still need a LG. Maybe Pace can manufacture a 3rd round pick with a trade down from 39 and some sort of package with our 4th rounders. I'd like to see the Bears get 3 players in the top 100. OLB/G/WR
I think we can get a run stopping MLB (we can take him out on passing downs) in the 4th or 5th. Also need a CB too.
-
This is the last mock I am going to post before the draft.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/23/final-7-round-chicago-bears-2018-nfl-mock-draft/
I like it if Pace can pull it off. The only thing I might like better is getting the Army OT late in the draft because this is our RT's last Bear season and its good to have a developmental OT to develop for the future.
-
That guard Hiestand knows or a trade down for more picks. Either way I won't get my panties in a wad about the pick (unless they do what the Vikings did TWICE with failing to get their pick in on time).... :D
-
Ok this one is a trip:
http://www.masslive.com/expo/erry-2018/04/72f8b9623f8080/nfl_mock_draft_2_new_england_p.html
-
It’s bad that I like our 2nd rounder better than either of our 1sts...
-
Sold with the NE trade, maybe not the players picked.
-
23 is kind of low - may want to look at trading that up into teens. But getting 3 of the top 40 players is enticing.
-
We could likely get a starter at guard and upgrade depth at a couple of the DB/lb/wr/te spots. It may not be a starter this year but could be a Nickelback, 3rd Wr, situational pass rusher type of guy.
We might also be able to package that 31 with our #2 and move up to the mid/late teens and get another starter level guy.
-
trade down, get rashad evans and the guard fro, UTEP or GA in the 1st.
-
I dunno that going from #8 and #39 to #17 and #31 is that much of an improvement?
I know we get a late NE 2 next year but maybe we trade up our 23 and trade down our #2 without actually losing it. Throw in one of our 4s if we have to.
-
I must have misread it.
I'd expect both their 2nds this year and not losing our 2nd for the 8th, esp if rosen is available.
It should be NE 2 1's + NE 2 or next years 1 for #8.
-
The NE trade is our #8 for their #23 and #31 this year and next year's #2 and #5.
I did not read who we actually got at 23, 31 and 39 in this article initially but I could live with Connor Williams, DJ Moore and Lorenzo Carter.
All major food groups covered though it might make more sense to swap the first 2.
The thing about Williams is you play him at guard and next year he might be your right tackle. I'd be doing back flips if we got Carter in round 2.
-
Quenton Nelson fans will be holding their breath at pick 5 and moreso at pick 6. If the Colts don't trade down with the Bills, Nelson could be a goner. Tampa looks like they will go with the safety James and the Broncos at 5 could go Nelson but probably will go QB.
If Nelson goes 6 then Bears go with CB Ward or LB Smith (or just maybe Edmunds). Trade down is in play.
I just hope Pace doesn't sell the farm to move up from 8 to 6 to get Nelson. That 200 point swing could cost us in 2018 value: two 4s, a 5 and a 6.
-
So who does Kiper have us taking TODAY? He has gotten the Bears pick right the last 2/3 years....
-
Never mind, found it. I could live with this:
Mel Kiper Jr.'s Final 2018 First-Round Mock Draft
1. Cleveland Browns: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
2. New York Giants: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
3. New York Jets (via Indianapolis Colts): Sam Darnold, QB, USC
4. Cleveland Browns: Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
5. Denver Broncos: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
6. Indianapolis Colts (via New York Jets): Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Derwin James, S, Florida State
8. Chicago Bears: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame
-
If someone trades with the Bills I hope it us. I would gladly do 8 & our 2019 #2 for their two #1s this year.
-
Our #1 and #2 this year is 1910 PT's. Their 2 number ones are worth 1980. That might be a good swap though they could likely use their 2 #1s to move up with Cle@4 or Denver at #5.
-
In that mock posted I didnt see Wynn taken before they took Connor Williams. If I am right then I would prefer Wynn to Williams. Yes we need an OT to develop but it doesnt have to be a 1st rounder in a weak OT draft. The late round Army OT would do just fine. But Lorenzo Carter at #39 is excellent. I dont see why they dont take Carter at 31.
-
I'd be happy with any of these 5 guys who are possible to be available (in order of preference):
Nelson
Edmunds
Fitzpatrick
James
Smith
-
Me too, add Ward, Chubb and Barkley to that list though none of them are likely to be there.
-
I think Ward has more of a chance being available than James. Most mocks have James going 7 to the Bucs.
Colts at 6 hold the key to our draft.
-
I think the Broncos are the key.
I hope they either go QB, or trade with a team who wants a QB.
-
Both teams have been rumored as to possibly taking Nelson, but the Broncos actually have more of a need for a young QB than the Colts.
-
Trade down candidates in round 1: Edmunds, Davenport, Landry
-
Maybe...Luck reportedly still isn't throwing at all...
-
Trade down candidates in round 1: Edmunds, Davenport, Landry
Those first two would definitely be atop my list in a trade down.
-
Shouldn't the Browns take Barkley #1 and then take whatever QB is left at #4?
Is there really anything that meaningfully separates these top 4 QBs? None of these guys is Peyton Manning.
-
Landry has kind of grown on me - he had an ankle issue that hurt his senior year performance. And he isn't prototype size, but he's been compared to Vic Beasley though not quite the athletic freak.
-
First rumor: Broncos might want to move up to 2 for a QB. Giants would still get either Chubb or Barkley at 5, as QBs would go 1-2-3.
-
Mayfield #1 to Browns
-
wow just wow who saw that coming
-
The worst organization in professional sports.
For many, many years that was the Chicago Cubs. Now, it's the Browns. No doubt. NONE.
-
Sam Darnold putting a loaded revolver in his mouth and pulling the **** trigger.
-
Rumors heavy today that Mayfield was going to Browns.
He's short and is a pure no-huddle shotgun QB....super confident...we'll see.
-
Can we trade up with Denver and get Chubb? Denver can still get a QB at 8...
-
Hmm, Ward to the Browns. Could Chubb make it to 8?
-
This is some wild stuff, dude.
Two NFL franchises think that Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold can be "franchise" quarterbacks.
Are you **** kidding me?
These worthless pieces of **** are destined for careers at Home Depot!
-
Chubb is the best player on the board.
-
A better question is will the Bears make it to 5.
-
Cle fukcing up everyones mocks.
-
Browns really open up the draft for the Bears taking Ward @4
-
The next is likely Quenon Nelson.
-
Chubb doesn't get by Colts or Bucs.
-
well the cb is a homer and good i can see that. but mayfield?
-
chubb to denver hmm.
-
Pick 6 is key for the Bears getting Nelson....
-
annnnddddd.......six is???????
-
Nelson gone
-
there goes nelson...crap
-
And now I hope we trade down...
-
and that is that.
-
Roquain Smith will be a Bear (though I want Edmunds)
-
Hoping a QB falls to our spot and we can trade down a bit.
-
drats on nelson.
Browns really hate their fans... Ward at 4?
-
Perfect tradedown scenario now
-
I'd go for a trade down.
-
Bucs will take their safety...James.
-
Bills have traded up to 7
-
nice idea, get a bouquet of picks in the later rounds.
-
Let's take a moment to reflect.
The Cleveland Browns just took Baker F. Mayfield and Denzel F. Ward IN THE TOP FOUR PICKS.
**** ME IN THE **** WITH A BIG RUBBER DICK!!!
I think it's time to get rid of the Browns altogether.
-
Why not trade to 8 - cheaper.
-
Bears must be locked on someone...
-
what did tampa get....I see Buffalo with 3 first rounders
-
New England should be on the phone with Pace right now...
-
Or the Cardinals
-
Pace better bingo on this one or its his ass.
-
The only thing we know for certain about the Bears pick is that it is going to be a complete failure, a waste. One of the worst first round draft choices in NFL history.
-
boise state linebacker.
-
Buc's pick up 2 2nd's for moving down 5 spots...
-
A Wr or pass rusher here I am guessing.
-
Roquan!
I like it. A lot.
-
YES!!!
-
Love the pick!
-
I can live with that.
-
We need pass rushers and he will help a lot.
-
https://youtu.be/nOe0v8Zx_2g
-
The only guy I was really worried about Pace picking here was Ridley. I'm kind of shocked to see McGlinchey go so high.
-
really surprised to see mcglinchy go this high too.
-
Cards just traded into Oakland's #10 pick...gotta be Rosen...and a steal for them...
-
Cardinals gave up a 3 and a 5 to move from 15 to 10.
-
I like our pick. He immediately makes our defense better. Day 1 starter.
-
Nice move for the cards... really really nice move.
-
Jay Cutler light. Pause for just a moment to consider that statement.
-
Glad to have a guy that will be a good ILB. Bears always need to have a great MLB.
-
Once Ward was gone it was Roquain Smith (but I still liked Edmunds). He is not a pass rusher...he's a weakside ILB in a 3-4 that won't come out on passing downs. Bears will be tough to run on...assuming they get their LDE position figured out.
He's arguably the best defender in the draft...close to Chubb. Solid guy.
HOWEVER, we need a pass rush....so let's see if Pace gets a guy at 39....or gets cute and trades down #39 and gets another pick in round 3.
As for guard, Bears will probably get a guy in 3rd or 4th or if one of those late first round graded guards drop into R2.
-
Minkah to Miami...nice pick for them...
-
Buc's will run to the podium to get James... the guy they would probably have taken at 7 if they didnt get a trade down.
-
Packers will probably take Josh Jackson....maybe Davenport....hopefully not Edmunds!
-
Wow! Vita Vea to Tampa!
-
Whoa....Vita Vea....whooda thunk?
-
Bet the Redskins war room is stunned...
-
i am stunned....
-
Skins....maybe they take the 'Bama DT? Couple corners still in play...Jackson and Alexander.
-
JPP, McCoy, VV and Curry isnt too bad for a DL.
-
Good call, DaRon Payne to the Skins...
-
Packers can go James, Jackson, Alexander.....Davenport, Landry.....all their needs are there.
-
Pack traded down!
-
Actually like the pick for once, amazing. But I would have gone with Minkah myself. Still, can't go wrong with either really....
-
Saints trade up to GB spot...they assume for Lamar Jackson...
-
Pack getting #27, a 5, and the Saints #1 next year...
-
Pack gets a haul.
-
Wow! Saints take Davenport!
-
Pack getting #27, a 5, and the Saints #1 next year...
That's a haul!
-
wow... i am shocked. thought it would be Lamar Jackson.
-
But Pack doesn't get Davenport!
They'll pick up a corner at 27.
-
Yep, probably Josh Jackson...
-
The Saints and the Giants want to win now with their old QBs...don't blame them.
-
Cowboys are sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Derwin James....they have no safeties.
Otherwise they'll get that LBer from Shea McClellin U.
-
Raiders take my guy....Edmunds.
-
Or not.
-
Kolton Miller to the Raiders
Baltimore trades out of 16, or at least that's what I think I heard
Yes, Buffalo trades up to 16...
-
Maybe the Bills want a target for Allen....Ridley....or DJ Moore.
-
I like the R.Smith pick. I thought it would be him or Edmunds. Good solid pick.
-
Edmunds to Buffalo...
-
Cowboys fans crying....Derwin James gone.
They may get a choice between Ridley/Moore or the Boise St. LBer.
Lions will go with Landry....
-
Packers trade up
-
The Pack is back....just traded up.
Jackson or Alexander....maybe Landry.
-
Alexander to GB...a new name to hate...
-
Do the Cowboys take Ridley to replace Dez Bryant?
Or go after the MLB from Boise St. I"m thinking the latter.
-
This is one wierd draft. Things arent going the way the experts thought. I liked Smith over Edmunds. I think we got a very good player but the draft isnt over. We need a lot of help.
-
I read somewhere that there are neck/cervical issues with Vander Esch...not sure to what extent...
-
Vander Esch neck is OK....but DJ Moore is more splashy.
-
Lions take a C/G, Frank Ragnow from Arkansas, at 20.
I've taken him in the 3rd round in some mocks I have ran...today...
-
Ragnow was a top half of the second round guy
-
Bengals take Billy Price, the C/G from Ohio State, at 21.
-
Titans trade up 3 spots to take Rashaan Evans.
-
Isaiah Wynn to the Patriots...they announced him as a tackle, rather than a guard...
-
Ridley to the Falcons at 26...
-
Looking ahead to round 2...could be some O-lineman, maybe a pass rusher....and a few wideouts.
5 players left in round 1. Then Bears get #7 in R2.
Are the Bears serious about trading up to R1?
-
Rumor of a trade by Bears to get back up into the bottom of the first.
stay tuned
-
Bears need some of these teams to start taking halfbacks.
8 players will be go before our pick.
-
6 now...plenty of value will be on the board for us at 39...
-
Wierd draft. Highly regarded players were drafted much later than expected.
-
Lots of trades too. A round is just a number....there's some good talent from 33 to 50.
Harold Landry at the top of my list. There's the guard Hernandez from UTEP. Another projected first rounder. Maybe James Daniels moves Whitehair to guard. And Josh Jackson is available due to a 4.5 40 time...so is Isaiah Oliver. Connor Williams could play guard and move to tackle next year when Massie's deal is up.
3 WRs: Courtland Sutton of SMU, Deon Cain, and DJ Clark.
And maybe just maybe Lorenzo Carter OLB from Georgia.
-
Carter is a big hope for #39. Early 2nd there is supposed to be a run on RBs. I see Sony Michel a. RB I liked and Penny went late 1st.
And I do believe the Bears attempted to trade back into the 1st round, but werent successful.
-
I keep reading that Roquan Smith is undersized and has a smallish frame at 6-1 236. But then I looked up Danny Trevathan.
6-1 239.
-
Living south of Tampa during their run in the Dungy era, another linebacker with those height weight lines.
At 6'0" and 236 pounds, I give you Derrick Brooks. Okay in my book
-
We should get a pretty good player with our #2 also. I'd love to see us get Hernandez.
-
I REALLY do not want a WR this high in the 2nd. Too many good players to choose from on D or OL.
-
I am ok with R Smith, although I would have preferred Derwin James. Smith is the same size as Ray Lewis for what that is worth. And considering Trevethan AND Kwaitkowski have not stayed healthy for an entire season, and Smith can play sideline to sideline with instincts and production, it sounds good. And I read yesterday that he really blew Pace away with his personal visit.
-
I have no problem with the Smith pick, I just know that the Bears desperately need pass rushers. I guess this is one of those years where there weren't a lot of good ones. Correct if I'm wrong but only 2 true pass rushers went in round 1 (Edmunds was an ILB projected to OLB).
We'll see what happens this weekend, but Monday the Bears may be dialing 1-800-Willie-Young and maybe 1-800-Lamarr-Houston too.
-
I think Fangio must feel pretty good about Lynch. Round 2 may tell us who looked better during mini-camp, Lynch or our OGs.
-
Lynch is one and done. If he does well he'll want a big payday and if he sukks he won't be back. I still consider him a question mark. Acho, is a great competitor, but not a full time starter. Then you got the 2 youngsters that I can't even recall their names. I think Bears need one more guy.
At guard you got a bunch of backup types...and I put Eric Kush in that category too. I'd be happy if we can get a 3rd round pick and use it a guard.
I think Landry slipped out of R1 because he is smallish, didn't have a particularly great 2017, and may only be considered a 3-4 OLB. There's still a lot of teams running 4-3 so maybe he draws interest from the 3-4 teams only. So he goes in the 30s instead of the 20s - he's still a quality player that I think gets taken before our pick 7.
So maybe Pace moves up for Landry, waits for Carter or drops down and hopes for Carter but ends up taking Turey, Nwosu, Key or Sweat.
OR he goes guard...there's a couple good ones left.
-
I doubt Hernandez gets past the Giants.
The #1 center Daniels is still there.
i wonder how far back we would have to go in a trade to pick up a 3?
-
The thing about guard is Long has been banged up a good bit lately.
-
Wasnt the knock on Landry that after the injury he came back out of shape and over weight? Or was that someone else?
Landry surprisingly returned to Boston College for his senior year last year when he looked like a potential first-round pick. An ankle injury limited him last season, but doesn’t appear to be a long-term concern for the speedy pass-rusher. While slightly undersized (6-2, 250 pounds) Landry’s athleticism gives him the upside of a tremendous Day 2 value.
-
You might be thinking of LSU's Arden Key. He's only 238 but apparently ballooned up to 270. He's had a shoulder injury and personal issues. Might be there in R4.
-
i wonder how far back we would have to go in a trade to pick up a 3?
Depends. If you only drop 10 you get a very low 3rd. If you drop 20 you get something closer to the middle.
You could also make various packages with combinations of our two 4s and 5 to get a low 3 also.
-
Thats it Dallas, thanks.
-
Mostly depends on what the other team is offering. If someone they really like is there, they may give up an earlier 3
-
Right now I would like to pick up:
Landry
Will Hernandez
Carter
Sutton
-
I like that list, plus I would add James Daniels...
-
All sound good to me. For some reason Carter isn't officially ranked in that group but I could definitely see him going close to the other 3.
Instead of Sutton in R2 how about the taller/faster EQUANIMEOUS ST. BROWN maybe in R3 or R4? Figure there are some Irish fans here.
-
Yeah I thought about him too, so if we grab him we move Whitehair back to OG???
-
I seem to remember some red flag about St Brown, besides his first name. ;)
-
Count me all in on Carter. In the Trib when talking about Smith they said that Georgia runs a 3/4 for Defensive Coordinator Mel Tucker. And here we thought he couldnt coach
-
The center might slip to 7. But I think the Bears want to keep Whitehair at C. Surprisingly 2 were drafted yesterday.
But there is somebody Pace wanted to trade up to get and I don't think that player got drafted in R1. Its either Hernandez or Landry. Both were projected 1st rounders and both fill needs.
I predict Pace will either trade up, stay put or trade down at 39 - you heard it here first!
-
There is a lot of talent left in this draft at need positions.
I'd like to see Pace trade back a bit and pick up a 3rd round pick.
-
I predict Pace will either trade up, stay put or trade down at 39 - you heard it here first!
Haha. At least you have all your bases covered. Cant be wrong with a prediction like that.
-
I'm going to be at my son's game tonight so I won't be online until after the draft.
I think the Bears take their chances with letting the 6 picks go ahead of them and draft Lorenzo Carter out of Georgia...no trade up...no trade down.
We'll take our chances with finding a guard, WR, CB, and DE in rounds 4 thru 7.
Go Bears!
-
I like Carter, I loved Georgia defense, he plays a position of extreme need. I hope we take him.
-
Pssst...the Pack also needs an edge guy. I wouldn't put it past them to trade up right in front of us (they've done it before).
Or maybe I'm just paranoid?
-
so far so good to have landry be there. Just got to get past the Bucs.
-
Its Daniels. Love this pick!
-
I like what I've read from Daniels' scouting report. I would have went with Landry, but I'm thinking there must be something about him that the GM's are really wary of.
-
2 picks, 2 starters. Landry's medicals must be garbage
Suck to call it a night, but the war room will have some fun in 4th.
-
Solid pick. So far so good through 2 rounds....getting needs filled.
-
Solid pick just like the first one. Good players who will likely start day one.
-
What did we give up to move up?
-
Has to be WR we moved up to get.
-
Anthony miller WR Memphis.
-
2nd next year and 4th this year. Taking Anthony Miller.
-
Wow . the good ones IMO.
-
I am liking our draft a lot! We are just getting football players. Anthony Miller is a stud!
-
Now.. if they can just stay on the field.
-
Yes yes yes!!!
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIl5zIAzgMc
-
A Letter to NFL GMs (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/a-letter-to-nfl-gms-anthony-miller) by Anthony Miller
-
Funny Arden Key was often mocked to the Bears in the early mocks. Still not drafted
-
Wow. That is a huge move love it. Dave is going to be happy as hell.
-
I love the Miller trade. Giving up a 4th to use next years #2 a year early is a great deal. You got to love what Pace has done so far. If he can find edge and CB depth in the late rounds it will be an A draft.
Dallas is probably right though, Houston and Young might be getting phone calls soon.
-
Kind of stoked up about Miller after seeing his highlights. I know Daniels is supposed to be a stud, but he had some ankle problems or something right? And giving up a second next year, it might make not having a third this year seam not so bad...
-
I thought this was a solid draft,but,the move to get Miller put it at the top of the heap. Anthony Miller was the WR I was hoping we would land,but,not having a 3rd rounder I knew we'd have no chance. Pace just landed three starters.
-
We still need an EDGE, maybe Dallas was right and we call Young/Houston after the draft.
-
So far, this is a exceptional draft. Best I've seen from the Bears in quite a while.
-
My only concern is moving Whitehair back to OG. He seemed to play better at C. Other than that, kind of stoked about the draft so far.
-
Per Kevin Fishbain
Ryan Pace on James Daniels: “Our plan right now is to start him off at guard, cross-train him at center."
-
To me that was an incredible trade that Pace pulled off for this reason. IF the Bears improve as expected by most that follow the team, our 2nd round pick next year should be somewhat equivalent or even possibly lower than the 2nd rounder we just got. I really think next years 2nd round will be around 19-20th pick, so we gave up a 4th rounder this year and swapped 2nd rounders of similar value (obviously to be seen). If we make the playoffs than we stole this pick. I really cannot believe NE made that trade.
-
On a different note. Why I love the Anthony Miller pick. Being down in Florida I watched some USF and UCF games. Memphis was right there with those two teams fighting for conference championship. Miller was the player that jumped out during those games. Everyone knew when Memphis needed a first down on a critical 3rd or 4th or if they need a TD, everyone in the stadium knew they were going to throw to Miller. That is exactly what Memphis would do and he made the play EVERY time. This guy to me was one of the most dominate players that I watched in college football. He was definitely the go-to-player of that team, the kind of player that carries his team on his back during critical moments. That is why I am so stoked about the pick. Add to it that we really in my opinion "won" that trade, makes the pick even sweeter.
-
Our 2nd next year is basically a 3rd this year so we basically gave up a 3rd and a 4th this year to move up. I hated giving up early picks but I like what I have read about this kid.
-
So they are going to let Heistand coach up Daniels to play OG. At least we have the right coach to do that. AND Daniels is only 20 years old. Like that too.
I have a feeling Miller is going to light it up, and cant wait to see what he can do.
-
So far this draft is looking like we have some very productive players. Reading about Daniels and Miller have got me excited. Hopefully Key is still there in the 4th. So Daniels is penciled in at LG to replace Sitton. Good luck kid. That means Whitehair remains at center. What struck me was Hiestand put his stamp of approval on Daniels. I still hope we get that Army tackle. That should help our Oline for years.
-
The pro comparison for Miller is Antonio Brown. If he can do half as much we are doing great. Cant wait for training camp to start. ;)
-
Miller is a great kid. No one will outwork him.
Hard to believe he was a walk-on.
-
With so many holes on our roster its hard to argue with any of these quality additions to the Bears.
Miller at first glance seems kind of pricey for a slot receiver, which BTW is the same position Taylor Gabriel plays (and nfl.com compares him to ex-Bear Kendall Wright). But the more I read about him the more comfortable i am with him playing outside opposite Robinson. The foot concerns me but may be why he dropped. Didn't find an official 40 time but did see he was a champion 110 hurdler in high school so he can move.
But, and there's always a but, it sure would be nice if addressed our freakin' pass rush!!!!
OK, there's still some guys out there that can be had in R4. Most are kind of small and/or kind of slow but Fangio can coach them up. Best of the bunch appears to be Josh Sweat. Ade Aruna is the sleeper.
-
Doing some research it looks like if you want a 3 down pass rusher you're out of luck.
However it also looks like there are 4-5 pass rushers available, and every pundit has his opinion on who they are and who's the best.
Corner depth is also a big concern.
-
Arden Key is still out there isnt he? And the Bears did have him in for a visit.
-
key was drafted by the Raiders.
-
I see at #88 late in the 3rd round.
-
Packers have the first pick of R4 - bet they address their pass rush with Sweat.
-
They traded that pick to Carolina.
-
I have no problem with the Smith pick, I just know that the Bears desperately need pass rushers. I guess this is one of those years where there weren't a lot of good ones. Correct if I'm wrong but only 2 true pass rushers went in round 1 (Edmunds was an ILB projected to OLB).
We'll see what happens this weekend, but Monday the Bears may be dialing 1-800-Willie-Young and maybe 1-800-Lamarr-Houston too.
I would definitely give young another chance..
-
Quite a few players left with good grades. Slot corners with 4.3 speed. Maybe a 3-4 DE. Wideouts too. Offensive lineman.
Not any edge rushers highly rated.
-
Detroit trades in front of us to take Hand. Hmm...he's more of a 3-4 end than a 4-3 end. Made more sense for the Bears not the Lions, but they are desperate for pass rushers too.
-
So we pick up an ILB who looks like he has some wheels, but is kind of light, and a DT.
-
4. Iyiegbuniwe : Lookes like special teamer/back up ILB. Speed and cover skills. (I read about the possibility of Kwit moving to OLB)
5. Nichols: Good athlete. Looks like he will compete for reps with Robertson-Harris and Bullard
6. Fitts: guy who has some upside, slipped due to injuries. Will probably start off as a pass rush specialist
-
Good summary.
Fitts combine numbers compare favorably to Chubb. A full half second faster in 3 cone. Faster in 20 shuttle. 7 more bench reps. 40 time just .04 off Chubb. Not saying he's Chubb, but he's got size and speed and was knocked down to injuries. Had an ankle issue and a concussion last year.
Watching his combine film, looks like he has some skinny legs compared to his upper body.
BTW, if you need a big cornerback in the 7th. Holton Hill out of Texas may be available. He had some discipline issues but can play.
Bears might want to also look at a big RT type. I think the Bears found Leno in the 7th round.
-
I like Wims In the 7th...
-
Wims looks destined for the practice squad. Lots of potential though and hasnt been playing football for long.
Fitts is my favorite pick today. Real high potential in a need area. I think he makes an impact if he stays healthy.
-
UDFA's so far:
Dejon Allen
Andrew Trumbetti
Nyles Morgan
Nick Orr
Michael Joseph
Ryan Winslow
Ryan Nall
-
Well we didnt get anything of value rounds 4-7.
-
Did I just read that we got Simmie Cobbs as an UDFA?
Seriously?
-
Well, guess not, but we got LSU CB Kevin Toliver, and I like that even more...
-
https://twitter.com/search?q=simmie+cobbs+bears&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch
-
Here is a running list of the Bears’ undrafted free-agent signings, which will be updated over the next few days:
Dubuque CB Michael Joseph
Despite being a Division-III player, Joseph’s size (6-1, 187 pounds) and athleticism earned the NFL’s attention. An Oswego High graduate, Joseph took part in the Senior Bowl and NFL Scouting Combine. He was named the Iowa Conference Defensive Player of the Year last season, making eight interceptions. He was first-team all-conference selection in three consecutive seasons.
The Bears will sign Dubuque cornerback Michael Joseph from Oswego High School. (Courtesy Dubuque)
Notre Dame LB Nyles Morgan
A Crete-Monee graduate, the 6-1, 235-pounder had 179 tackles, combined, the last two years. Over four years at Notre Dame, Morgan made 250 tackles, six sacks and five pass breakups. He was on the Butkus Award watch list three consecutive seasons.
Notre Dame edge rusher Andrew Trumbetti
At 6-4, 236 pounds, Trumbetti recorded only 2 1/2 sacks in four years — but did log 12 1/2 tackles for loss.
Oregon State RB Ryan Nall
Nall was a very productive running back for the Beavers, totaling 2,779 yards from scrimmage and scoring 28 touchdowns over three seasons. He could fill a fullback/H-back role in the NFL.
LSU CB Kevin Toliver
Toliver has great size at 6-3, 204 pounds, but he totaled two picks in three years before leaving after his junior season. He was a former five-star recruit.
Texas Christian S Nick Orr
A first-team All-Big 12 selection, Orr led the Horned Frogs with three interceptions last season. He had nine interceptions in his college career.
Pittsburgh punter Ryan Winslow
Winslow, who is 6-5 and 217 pounds, was a first-team All-Atlantic Coast Conference selection last season. He participated in the NFL Scouting Combine. He used the combine to help Uplifting Athletes, a nonprofit organization, and their annual campaign to raise funds through “Reps for Rare Diseases.”
Hawaii C/G Dejon Allen
The Compton, Calif.-born Allen spent his four seasons in paradise, starting 24 games over the past two seasons at left tackle. A natural interior lineman, he started 11 games at right guard as a freshman and 12 more as a sophomore, adding one more start at left guard. The 6-3, 290 pounder could play guard or center in rookie minicamp.
Indiana CB Rashard Fant
The 5-10, 179-pounder had seven pass breakups and two interceptions as a senior, one year after posting 17 and three, respectively, for the Hoosiers. The Bears will welcome someone with his ball skills to their defensive backfield, though his size means Fant will likely be limited to slot duties.
Old Dominion DE Bunmi Rotimi
Standing 6-3 and weighing 273 pounds, Rotimi is a former walk-on who totaled 12 1/2 sacks over the past two years. The 22-year-old started seven games last season, missing three due to injury.
Maryland edge rusher Cavon Walker
He started 11 games on the defensive line as as senior, but his 6-2, 278-pound frame makes him a better fit as an edge rusher in the Bears’ 304 scheme. He’s experienced — no Terps player had more appearances over a four-year stretch — but only started 14 games in his college career.
Kentucky WR Garrett Johnson
The Wildcats’ leading receiver for the past three seasons, Johnson caught 48 passes for 539 yards in 2017. He size likely limits him to slot receiver work in the NFL — he’s 5-11 and 175 pounds.
Shepherd edge rusher Elijah Norris
At 6-3, 240-pounder posted 6 1/2 sacks and 11 tackles for loss last season, one year after not participating for the Div. II football team.
-
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/04/these-are-the-chicago-bears-undrafted-signings-to-remember/
-
FWIW my take on the draft is:
The Bears (and the other 31 teams) drafted a bunch of guys. Some of who will be good, some not so good. And who would've thought the NFL draft would become such a circus over all this time ? (remember hearing almost nothing about it until almost training camp when I was a kid).....
-
From the Tribune I found this extremely interesting:
“My name is Anthony Miller and I think I’m the best wide receiver in this draft class,’’ Miller wrote.
Hopefully, Miller’s hands are as strong as his ego.
“He’s a fun guy to watch on tape because of how he plays,’’ Pace said.
Miller’s presence doesn’t necessarily threaten Kevin White’s spot on the team as much as it will reduce how much patience the Bears have with the star-crossed, injury-plagued former No. 1 pick.
Message to White.... You better produce or someone else will get your reps.
-
Produce? He just needs to not get injured. Bears depth at WR appears to be in pretty good shape despite the loss of Cam Meridith.
But we all know that can change quickly with one bone crack or a ligament snap.
-
Brandon Marshall's available.. (J K)
White may not even make it through camp before getting cut..
-
Wims was the guy I was asking for back in December. Love the pick
-
Brandon Marshall's available.. (J K)
White may not even make it through camp before getting cut..
I agree but Dallas wont. I just have a hard time believing White can shed the rust from the injury years to be productive. But......I could be wrong. And, with all the WR upgrades he may not even be needed.
-
Aren't we now getting a little over confident about our wide receiver position?
First of all, Allen Robinson is coming off an ACL injury. He did not attend the recent OTA. Secondly, his last productive season 2016, was a huge dropoff from his 2015 season. Minus 5 yards per catch and a TD reduction from 14 to 6. So before we pencil him in to the starters position let's make sure he can run.
Second, rookie Anthony Miller is a rookie. Nuff said. You can't ever count on any rookie coming in and being a major contributor. Plus the Bears are penciling him into the slot position which is already manned by FA signee Gabriel. Can he play the Y?
Third, we have White who is 2 years off his last leg injury and has been working out pretty hard in the offseason. Big questions are whether he can regain most of that speed he had as a rookie and not go on IR.
Next, we have Bennie Fowler. 5 starts in 3 years. And Josh Bellamy, who actually had a better season catching the ball in '17 than he did in '16, but if he's starting we're in trouble. And finally, we have another rookie Javon Wims, who could be a steal but is still a rookie with questionable speed.
So let's not start cutting receivers in April while we're all drunk after a pretty decent offseason and draft.
-
Ok a little premature for grades, but insight:
https://nflspinzone.com/2018/04/28/chicago-bears-2018-nfl-draft-grades-day-2-picks/
https://nflspinzone.com/2018/04/29/chicago-bears-2018-nfl-draft-grades-day-3-picks/
-
Second, rookie Anthony Miller is a rookie. Nuff said.
Well lets not boost Kevin White higher than the rookies either beings he has been injured, every year since he was drafted. He is still a rookie in my book. He hasnt proven anything more that the rookies except he gets injured a lot. Woo Hoo. Oh thats right, he was drafted higher. so that makes him better than the rest. I forgot. My bad.
-
Produce? He just needs to not get injured.
OK, I see. He is healthy all year and sits on the bench. Ooops. No I think he needs to produce too.
-
First things first for White. Stay healthy. Then we can see what he brings. Crossing my fingers.
“Kevin is working really hard to get back, and I have a lot of faith in what he’s going to be able to bring to the table this year. He’s looking good while we’re throwing together out here. We just have to continue to put in that work, and I know he’s busting his tail to really do big things this year.”
-Mitch Trubisky last month.
-
Well they say that "Seeing is believing". Well I am not going to believe it until I see it. Fair enough?
-
Hopefully a new training staff reduces some of our injuries.
-
Ahmen.
-
With White nobody is believing jack right now.
White has missed most of his 3 seasons - this is his last chance with the Bears. White knows this, the Bears knows this, the fans know this.
He's not being penciled into the starting role, in fact, the Bears signed 3 wide receivers and drafted 2 more - I think they are assuming anything they get out of White is a bonus.
-
He looked good in that photo in swim trunks. At least he isnt getting fat.
-
Aren't we now getting a little over confident about our wide receiver position?
I think fans are simply excited to see some progress in a area that was a total mess! I know I am, for a change. I am finally seeing some progress being made on this team and there is finally some hope on the horizon. They are getting some nice pieces in place and though they aren't there yet, they've made some nice strides to get there.
-
As I said earlier I love the Anthony Miller pick.He is a playmaker and something no one has mentioned that I am aware of is,at the scouting combine his hands measured 10 5/8". Now that's large for an offensive lineman. He's a pass catching magnet.
-
I saw him make some amazing one handed catches in his highlite reals. He will be a good one for us if he can stay healthy.
-
I would love to see White contribute, but I'm being a realist. Writings on the wall..
-
You may be correct. The fact that the Bears drafted two WRs could be telling that White didn't show much at the recent OTAs. The other position that they drafted 2 guys at the same position is ILB.
And speaking of ILB, that brings me to our 4th round pick Joel Iyiegbuniwe. Probably the biggest head scratcher of the draft for the Bears. Especially since we already have Trevathan and Kwaitkoski and added #8 pick Roquan Smith. I guess this shows that Pace truly does draft BPA (at least in the mid to late rounds). I don't see this guy getting on the field beside special teams.
Perhaps Pace is planning ahead a couple years down the road when Trevathan and Kwiatkoski are out of contract OR he plans to try Iyiegbuniwe at OLB.
And speaking of OLB, I know everyone is excited to see Smith and Miller out there, but the guy I'm really intrigued about is Kylie Fitts. He could be the surprise of our draft.
-
Fitts definitely could be a surprise or "the" surprise of the draft. But OTOH He could be injured on the first practice. Right now my instincts tell me if I were Pace I'd be giving Young a holler. Too many questionmarks at edge to be bankng on what they have on paper. Just a lot of g@mbles that could backfire
-
Pace is really on this youth kick...the oldest FA he signed was Marcus Cooper and he's all of 28.
Willie Young will be 33 in September, but I bet you he can still rush the passer. Maybe Pace is just waiting to see what his youngsters can do and Young would take snaps from them? I dunno.
-
Yeahl,waiting for the injury bug to bite and how bad. I just done feel secure at edge/olb. I just dont believe in the conglomeration of players we have
-
to me it's a no brainer to bring Young back. He wouldn't cost sh!t other than a roster spot. We need a pass rush!!
-
Here ya go Dallas, have a laugh on me:
https://nflmocks.com/2018/05/01/chicago-bears-2019-nfl-mock-draft-a-likely-pointless-early-look/
Just what we have been talking about and up this pops.
-
The Chicago Bears are no strangers when it comes to taking chances on injury-riddled late-round draft selections. Last year the team took a shot on Alabama's Eddie Jackson in the fourth round of the draft after he missed a big chunk of his final season with a broken leg. The young safety turned in a fine rookie season for the Bears last year, giving the fan base hope Chicago can get production out of sixth-round pick Kylie Fitts in 2018.
Coming out of high school as part of the Class of 2013 at Redlands East Valley High School in Redlands, California, Fitts was viewed as a four-star recruit by 247Sports with a 0.9587 composite score. He fielded a total of 21 offers from the likes of USC, Arizona, Arizona State, Arkansas, Boise State, Georgia, Oregon, Ole Miss, Oklahoma and Oregon State before he made visits to Utah, Notre Dame and UCLA. After deliberating he opted to commit to UCLA and enrolled that July.
As a freshman at UCLA he appeared in six games, primarily on special teams. After that year he transferred to Utah and was forced to sit out the 2014 season due to NCAA transfer rules. In 2015 he appeared in all 13 games for the Utes and made a total of 11 starts. He led the entire Pac-12 with four forced fumbles and finished the year 40 tackles, seven tackles for loss and seven sacks.
Expectations were high for him in 2016 before injuries limited his season. He appeared in the first two games with one start before he suffered a season-ending foot injury. He ended that season with just four tackles, three tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks. This past season he saw action in eight games and made 23 tackles with three sacks while struggling with a variety of injuries.
Despite those injuries, Fitts feels they were more bad timing than the indication of long-term struggles with them, telling teams he does not see it as a long-term issue.
"I just kind of explained to them that there are no serious or lingering injuries that prevented me from playing and playing to my potential," he said in a conference call after he was selected, via the Bears media relations department. " I just kind of explained to them that I think it was a run of bad luck and I think I got it all out of the way and 100 percent healthy now and I’m ready to go."
Fitts is rawer at the position than Jackson was at safety coming out of Alabama, but the young pass-rusher knows he has the right tools in his arsenal.
"I feel like my speed," he said when asked about his greatest strengths. "At the combine, at 265 (pounds), I was right at 4.69 (in the 40-yard dash) and I had one of the fastest shuttles and three-cones. I feel like my speed is an advantage for me and I feel like I can bend the corner really well. I feel like I have a lot of power, I put up 225 (pounds on the bench press) 31 times. I feel like I have a lot of strength and power that I can use speed to power."
His 40-yard dash time was ninth among all edge rushers, while his bench press was the most by four reps, his 20-yard shuttle (4.19 seconds) was tied for the fastest with Boston College's Harold Landry (who went in the second round to the Titans) and his 60-yard shuttle (11.82 seconds) was fourth among all edge rushers. There is some concern about his ability to set the edge, meaning he could begin his career as a situational pass-rusher, but he feels he can surprise some people against the run.
"I feel like I can rush the passer but I can also play against the run very well," he said. "At my weight right now, I’m about 260. I feel like against the run, if I had a tight end lined up over me – which they did a lot in the PAC-12 – double-teaming me … if you look at all the tape, I dominated the tight end and the tackle taking on double teams so I feel like the run is definitely a strength for me."
Want to keep up with the Bears during the offseason? Take a second to sign up for our FREE Bears newsletter! Take a second to sign up for our FREE Bears newsletter!
It took Jackson just a handful of practices to assert himself as a starter last offseason. It is unlikely that will be the case for Fitts early on his career, but it would not come as a surprise to see him take on a much bigger role by seasons end after getting time to work with defensive coordinator Vic Fangio and outside linebackers coach Brandon Staley.
-
The issue with Fitts is that he's had multiple injuries in college not just a single one. Shoulder, ankle, and I don't know what else took away most of his last 2 years at Utah.
That's why he's a 6th round pick. But was it a string of bad luck or is he going to be one of those guys that are labeled injury prone?
(He also needs to workout more on his legs - they are kind of bird-like).
-
https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/articles/reception-perception-anthony-miller-and-an-intriguing-blend-that-needs-attention/
-
Greg Cosell (https://twitter.com/i/web/status/991003211447390208) scouting reports on the 1st 4 picks.
-
The analytics that goes into today's football - pro and college - is amazing. It would be interesting to see what tools Pace uses in evaluating players beyond their scouts' word of mouth.
-
Strange not having JJ and his 'gimme TWO' draft insight....anyone heard from him?? He hasn't posted for 3 months and that's not like him.
-
I bet he wanted two LBs, and got them and was shocked.....
-
JJ may have finally gone entirely over to the dark side - you know, the silver and black.
-
That's really dark...
-
he would have said something by now. I'm afraid he's gone one way or the other.
-
I sent him an email. Hopefully he responds to it.