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Title: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2019, 10:52:00 pm
On the eve of free agency...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2019, 10:52:41 pm
Lots of chatter tonight that both the Bears and Packers are in on FA RB Mark Ingram...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2019, 02:04:19 pm
Bears, Packers, Ravens in on Cordarrelle Patterson...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 11, 2019, 03:11:11 pm
Geesh $84M 6 yrs Landon Collins and $9M per year to the Seahawks slot corner as well as Trey Flowers all by Detroit.

Amos and Callahan will be looking for a huge pay day.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 11, 2019, 04:12:46 pm
Lots of stupid money getting thrown around.  I hope pace is patient and waits for dumb teams to tap out financially and find some bargains.

I'd like the Patterson signing if they get him. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2019, 04:40:52 pm
Maybe we'll get a really good comp pick for Amos...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2019, 05:47:13 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/09/bryce-callahan-chicago-bears-free-agency-contract-espn/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 11, 2019, 05:48:30 pm
Does the Massie signing cancel it out?

Hopefully, we get Amos or Callahan.   
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 11, 2019, 06:26:04 pm
Bears to sign RB Mike Davis from the Seahawks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 11, 2019, 06:49:26 pm
Bears will also sign buster skrine nickel cb from the Jets
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 11, 2019, 07:21:20 pm
Jets fans are saying they've signed Josh Bellamy.

He was making 1.9M with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2019, 07:44:49 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-chicago-bears-nfl-free-agency-tracker-2019-story.html

Bears free agency tracker: Running back Mike Davis, cornerback Buster Skrine joining Bears: reports
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 11, 2019, 08:10:05 pm
Bellamy getting 7 million over 2 years. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 11, 2019, 08:11:37 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bu7eSermkU

Davis highlights. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2019, 09:38:06 pm
Certainly has more wiggle than Howard
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 11, 2019, 11:29:43 pm

I read his scouting report and was surprised - he's definitely not the one cut runner that Howard is.

There's room on the roster for Howard, Davis, Tarik and a drafted rookie.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2019, 07:12:52 am
Well based on that tape we know who Trubisky's favorite dump off player is going to be.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2019, 08:14:55 am
Also, just because the Bears inked these players to fill holes doenst mean their positions are eliminated from draft needs.

"Skrine, an eight-year veteran who will be 30 in April, landed a three-year deal worth $16.5 million, with $8.5 million guaranteed, NFL Network reported."

This position looks to have moved up the board to 3rd round. Age 30? Wow, Pace was desperate. A 3 yr deal for a 30 year old sounds desperate to me. And Toliver is no slot corner.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2019, 08:42:26 am
Packers signing Amos.  That is good since he doesnt get many INTs....lol
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2019, 09:23:21 am
Another one bites the dust. A rookie safety? I dont like the sound of that. Busch?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2019, 09:35:56 am
Looks like we are going to spend this money on a safety....

"The Bears converted $13 million of Khalil Mack’s base salary and roster bonus into a signing bonus, creating $11 million in salary-cap space, according to ESPN.

What it means: The Bears positioned themselves to potentially make a bigger signing with the added cap space available after restructuring Mack’s contract, and the move doesn’t affect what Mack is paid either. After agreeing to deals with nickel cornerback Buster Skrine and running back Mike Davis on Monday night, the Bears still have the need for a starting safety, a potential running back replacement for Jordan Howard, a backup edge rusher and maybe another target for quarterback Mitch Trubisky at wide receiver or tight end."

From the Trib
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2019, 09:50:41 am
Yeah Pace did it for someone, we just dont know who yet....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2019, 09:57:55 am

Maybe the Bears need to sign ex-Packer Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 12, 2019, 10:07:12 am
The Bears are hard after Leveon Bell in case you haven't heard.  That will require a lot of cap.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2019, 10:11:03 am
I had not heard that - that would be amazing.

In that case I'd be more than OK with Devin Bush and a 3rd or 4th round rookie competing for Amos' SS spot.

But how do the Bears outspend the Colts with their $100M cap?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2019, 10:12:59 am
Packers are giving former Bears’ safety Adrian Amos a 4-year, $37 million deal that includes $14 million in year one and $21 million in first two years of deal, per source.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2019, 10:13:12 am
From Brad Biggs of the Trib:

How quick do you think they will get the safety position figured out? — @bigern173

Things started fast on Monday with Landon Collins and Tyrann Mathieu each scoring deals that average $14 million per year. Then, Lamarcus Joyner got a deal in place from the Raiders. If the Bears are looking to sign a safety at their price – and there are plenty of experienced options available – that may require some time. Understand that you’re not going to get a player to sign a deal at your price, or real close to your price, a few hours after the negotiating window opened. I wouldn’t be worried. Have a little patience and see this thing through.

The way they rushed the Mack deal you would think they had a hottie ready to sign.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2019, 10:13:36 am
I read somewhere the 6 teams Bell is deciding between DONT include the Bears.  We shall see.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2019, 10:16:28 am
The Jets have been the most linked to team for a Bell for a bit now. The other three, Ravens, Texans, and Bills, would be much less splashy. But that does not mean he wouldn’t bolster they play, as well. The Texans, in particular, make sense as a team that could cut Lamar Miller and upgrade the position with those savings.

If any other team was to get involved, the Chicago Bears could be that team. Sneakily enough, they created some cap room today converting Khalil Mack’s base salary.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 12, 2019, 10:22:03 am
I heard the bears are still after Bell on the SCORE this morning....what ever that's worth.

Amos makes me yawn.....didn't do much Jackson made him look better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 12, 2019, 10:49:35 am
We had the top scoring defense in the league and an offense that scored 15 points in the playoffs... which should have been 18!  But anyway, Amos was a nice piece, but not irreplaceable when you start naming names on the defense.  If our defense gets a bit weaker, but our offense adds a key piece (Bell), I am good with that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2019, 03:26:33 pm
Looks likke tomorrow will be a big day. Bell supposedly becomes a FA tomorrow. According to the NFL Channel the Bears arent in the mix for Bell. Absolutely no mention of the Bears and any pursuit for Bell.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 12, 2019, 03:54:00 pm
Looks likke tomorrow will be a big day. Bell supposedly becomes a FA tomorrow. According to the NFL Channel the Bears arent in the mix for Bell. Absolutely no mention of the Bears and any pursuit for Bell.

All players without contracts become FA tomorrow.

Yesterday Bears interest in Bell was all over the internet, today nothing.

It looks like the pundits don't know which teams have made offers as they qualify their statements such as: "may have made an offer"

Bell walked away from $14.5M last year so who knows how much more he wants now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 12, 2019, 05:21:21 pm
I'm seeing 17-18M as a rumored offer by the Jets...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on March 12, 2019, 06:35:40 pm
In general, if the Jets want something, you should not want it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2019, 06:40:53 pm

Packers release Nick Perry...might be a 1 year option for our 3rd OLB spot to replace Lynch (but I'd prefer Lynch).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 12, 2019, 07:49:26 pm
If you can't beat him, sign him

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1f9NDyW0AAWpM8.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2019, 08:20:28 pm

With both White and Bellamy gone Bears needed another wideout and solves KR problem.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 12, 2019, 08:41:00 pm
Patterson will be a nice weapon for nagy.  He can line up all over the field and force the defense to account for him.

He's also the best kick returner in the NFL....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2019, 10:10:11 pm

I recall the Pats lining up Patterson in the backfield and running him up the middle...on the goal line.

Now if I can just figure out how to pronounce his first name.   
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2019, 10:39:21 pm
If he can stay healthy he is a weapon.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 12:21:28 am
No Bell. Bell to the Jets - 4 years 52.5 million. $35 million guaranteed. Max 61.5.

At least no one in our division got him
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 12:22:37 am
No to Nick Perry. 1 good year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 13, 2019, 01:22:42 am
Wow Bells contract averages $13m and he wouldn't play for $12.5m last year.

Bears probably could have fit that in their cap.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 13, 2019, 05:23:08 am
I think you have the look at the guarantee money of 35 million.  That is basically 3 years of 12 million/season.  Bell has been the most used RB in the game since 2015 and he wanted some security for injury.  I don't approve of him sitting out the season, but the Steelers didn't want to sign him long term so he is banking against a major injury and loss of income.  Really can't blame him.


I imagine Bell had an overinflated value of himself in negotiation with the Steelers.  Then burned his bridges.   Then, took what he could get.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 13, 2019, 06:16:29 am
Wow an absolute ton of moves by the Bears so far this offseason.  Both Goldman and Mack restructure there deals for the Bears to gain cap space.

Then the Bears resigned B. Braunecker, sign Buster Skrine, sign Mike Davis, sign C. Patterson.  Seemly more moves to come.

When you have a lot of talent and are knocking not he door to Super Bowl its all about adding depth and filling some holes.  Keeping Ben B. was depth move, as was the other signing.

I like adding veteran like Skrine, however hopefully we will still pursue a rookie with more upside long run and add depth.  I think M. Davis is a nice player.   However I do not believe he is a starter.  I do think it adds depth and also signals that Howard is even more likely to be traded.  Just my opinion not saying I want that to happen, I like Howard.

C. Patterson signing does not thrill me.  5m annually for what?  A kick returner?  This is not D. Hester.  I think Patterson was solid for the Pats, but I always felt like they were utilizing him the best they could but he really was a player without a true position.  The thing that makes him valuable is his ability to play so many positions.  He is a backup at RB, WR and a start on special teams.  Just not a guy I would have signed for that money. 

With the Mack move, I think Bears are going for a bigger signing/trade than I previously thought they would.  I am thinking a S or possibly even a RB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2019, 06:26:59 am
Absolutely need a safety. RB we can draft. Cant believe we make the SB without a vet safety. Amos leaves a big hole.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 13, 2019, 07:10:54 am
The thing that made me leery about Bell is him taking off all of last year.  Who knows what kind of shape he comes in at. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on March 13, 2019, 08:25:16 am
Doesn't Patterson suffer with migraines?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2019, 09:22:53 am

I don't know how migranes may have affected Patterson but he has only missed one game in 6 NFL seasons, 95/96 games.  With the departure of Bellamy/White he and Wyms back up the 3 starters.  Plus he resolves a problem at kick return where the Bears were dead last in the NFL.  I think I read he could add 8 yards of field position per return. 

Bears #1 need now is safety but that can be filled in the draft to compete with Devin Bush.  I'd also like the Bears to draft a nickel CB for competition for Skrine.  Maybe add a half back too.   That's about all the Bears have picks for.

I don't know what the cap position is today but I'm sure Pace is not done signing guys...does he have enough to sign a bigger name at safety?   Is there anybody left?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 13, 2019, 09:45:09 am
I still think he is going after a running back.  Mike Davis isn't a starter, but replaces Cunningham/Mizzell.  Tevin Coleman perhaps.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 10:28:34 am
GREAT signing in Corderelle Patterson. I believe the Bears were LAST in kick returns at 19.0 a return. Patriots were 2nd at 27.0.....MASSIVE difference.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2019, 10:33:24 am
I agree with you guys then this just hit me;

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/12/chicago-bears-salary-cap-2019-nfl-free-agency-khalil-mack-signing-bonus/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

something is up, we just dont know what it is yet. You dont just free up 11 mil to look at. I hope its a safety. Right now I am not concerned about RB there will be plenty in the draft. "The NFL is a passing league"
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 10:33:52 am
Bell can't get last years money back - ever. He lost. $12 to $14 million. This contract did not recover that. Sitting out was stupid money wise.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 13, 2019, 11:53:09 am
Pro Bowl K Jason Myers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MyerJa00.htm) is available...

But I get the feeling that the Bears are not going to commit big $ on a kicker and will try to find the diamond in the rough instead.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 13, 2019, 12:20:32 pm
  I am in the like Cordarrelle Patterson signing camp. He is the best return man on this squad and he supplies much needed speed to the receiver corp. Speed that Kevin White was supposed to have provided.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 13, 2019, 12:26:16 pm
 I wouldn't mind seeing us going after the Patriots kicker Gostkowski. With a solid kicking game we might have been undefeated?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2019, 12:39:16 pm

A co-worker who is a huge Patriot fan told me that Belichek's only franchise tag that he regretted placing on a player was Gostkowski last year.  He had an off year last year, but then again so did Gould when the Bears released him.

I'm thinking Pace isn't done bringing in free agent kickers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 13, 2019, 12:58:18 pm
 Hey if Gostkowski can kick it deep into the end zone on a regular basis we are ahead of the game. I feel after QB kicker may be the most important position when it comes to final point outcome per game. That's gotta mean something.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 01:45:17 pm
Patterson on the those Jet sweeps - unstoppable - huge yardage. You have to remember who our coach is and how he uses speed guys. Patterson gets a few touches and may break a couple.

Not to mention a great kickoff returner.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 13, 2019, 03:05:10 pm
Chicago Bears - Killer defense and brutal running game. Old is new again.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 13, 2019, 03:18:30 pm
lol, the first official signing announced by the Bears is the return of Ted Larsen (https://twitter.com/kylepop16/status/761209640994611204)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2019, 04:40:45 pm

With the loss of Kush and I assume Witzmann Larson fills the swing guard spot - plus he's played a lot of center.  And Sowell, who can play G or T is still on the roster, so the O-line looks pretty well set.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2019, 04:52:39 pm
maybe till the draft.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 13, 2019, 04:56:28 pm
Wishful thinking on my part, but I would not mind at all if the Bears sign a 1 year prove it deal to Berry and extra premium money on Houston.  Pagano seems like the type that would love to 46 a QB on his ass on multiple occasions.  That would be a Pace FA splash at this point.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 13, 2019, 06:10:33 pm
I'd be very happy with Berry on a one year deal if his physicals check out. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2019, 06:29:57 pm

He's played in only 3 games the last 2 years.  Wrong side of 30.  Yeah, one year deal...incentive laden.

Based on history he'll either make the pro-bowl or play in only a couple games.

Remember that old safety we signed from the Giants - Antrelle Rolle?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 13, 2019, 06:53:31 pm
Strange free agency for the Bears.

We lose Amos but sign a lesser replacement for Callahan first.  Maybe they see no chance of resigning Callahan.

WE sign Patterson for $5M for basically a return guy who has never been able to see the field much as a receiver.   I"m not as confident as some that he will be a big part of Nagy's offense.
Then Tevin Coleman, the kind of back they seem to be looking for signs for $5M. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2019, 10:26:34 pm
Ha ha Clinton Dix? maybe.....

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-free-agent-signings-20190313-story.html

He is visiting Wed and tomorrow, Sounds like its serious because of 2 days. "We'll see said the blind man"

Eric Berry?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 10:53:57 pm
You're giving Callahan too much credit - he was hurt all the time. That's why they did not sign him. Callahan has never finished a season.

Skrine can play - he makes a lot of tackles. Great tackler.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 13, 2019, 10:59:49 pm
Tevin Coleman had pretty solid stats last year.

Eric Berry has played 3 games in the last 2 years.

Still not sure why the Peckers got rid of Dix.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 14, 2019, 06:16:50 am
Clinton Dix is like the very poor man's version of Eddie Jackson. He gambles a lot to go for turnovers and big plays. I think he's about as good as Amos, but Id prefer amos' reliability (he was all over the place in the playoff game though)to pair with Jackson's risk taking.  Haha and Eddie as your safeties will result in more big plays for both sides.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2019, 07:36:15 am
Hmmmm wasnt Ted Larson the hot head guy?  I think I would rather have Kush back.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2019, 09:59:23 am
From Bleacher Report:

"Bryce Callahan would've been the priority here. But Monday's deal that brought veteran slot cornerback Buster Skrine to the Windy City indicates the Chicago Bears are willing to let Callahan walk.

That's an ill-advised idea, but whatever.

The Bears also watched veteran safety Adrian Amos leave for—of all places—Green Bay. That's gotta sting.

Amos' departure might free up the money to bring back Callahan. But in any event, the safety position is now a big area of need for the Bears.

Many of the biggest names there (like Amos and Landon Collins) have already locked in lucrative deals and new homes. But whether it's a star like Earl Thomas or lower-end (and less expensive) talent such as Clayton Geathers, Tre Boston and Jahleel Addae, there's still fruit on the vine of free agency's deepest position.

It's time for the Bears to pick up some of that fruit."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 10:04:21 am
octagon

I don't doubt what you say about Clinton-Dix, but that's the coach's job to put players in the right place to make plays and prevent big plays.  Can't say Packers have been doing anything well defensively for quite a while.

boogie

Larsen got into it with someone on the Bears' defensive side.  Does anyone remember?  Hicks maybe?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 10:04:36 am

LBer Christian Jones.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 14, 2019, 10:23:12 am
They think Skrine is better than Callahan.

Packers traded Dix in the middle of the season - Obviously did not want to re-sign him. He had some good years and 3 picks before the Packers traded him.

Clinton-Dix has never missed a game in his career and started 55 straight regular-season games in Green Bay. For his career, Ha Ha has generated 378 tackles, 25 passes defended, 14 interceptions, 5.5 sacks and three forced fumbles.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2019, 10:37:19 am
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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2019, 10:45:28 am
Dallas

Jackson is our Free Safety (deep, cover). Amos was the SS. Isnt Dix a FS too? Dont we have to be careful with safety selection?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 11:06:26 am

I don't know that there's that much of a distinction in most NFL defenses between SS and FS.  You rarely see safeties in the box anymore.  Dix has the size to play SS at 6-1 208.  And last year he had 93 tackles in 16 games with GB and the 'skins.   That's a lot.  Amos had 73 last year.

Here's a chart of the remaining FA safeties - pick one:

Player               Age   Position   INTs last season   INTs over last 3 seasons
Andrew Adams           26   FS                      4              5
Tre Boston            26   FS                    3            10
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix   26   SS                    3            11 
Clayton Geathers   26   SS                    0              0
Adrian Phillips           26   FS/SS            1              4
Curtis Riley           26   FS                    4              5
Terrence Brooks     27   FS                     0              3
Johnathan Cyprien   28   SS                0              0
George Iloka           28   SS                   0              4
Jahleel Addae           29   SS                   1              2
Eric Berry              30   SS                   0              4
Kurt Coleman           30   SS               0              4
Marcus Gilchrist         30   SS                3              6
Ron Parker           31   FS                   2              5
Andrew Sendejo      31   SS                   0              4
Glover Quin           33   FS                   0             5
Reggie Nelson           35   FS                   2             8
Mike Adams           37   FS                   3             7

Maybe the Bears go with Dix, or maybe they go with an older safety and hope he can last a year while the draft his replacement this year.  Next year Jackson will want to get paid and he might be touch carrying 5 DBs with big contracts (including Skrine).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2019, 11:27:35 am
The knock I read on Dix is he likes to pad his stats, go for the splashy play/INT, and whiffs a lot, and not a willing tackler. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2019, 11:39:35 am
This is an interesting article about the Amos void at safety position

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/could-bears-land-ha-ha-clinton-dix-or-eric-berry-fill-their-safety-hole
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 14, 2019, 12:00:46 pm
So much for Kush

The Browns announced that they have signed four free agents on Thursday.

Three of those additions — defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, linebacker Adarius Taylor and tight end Demetrius Harris — were previously reported. The fourth is offensive lineman Eric Kush, whose move from Chicago to Cleveland had thus far escaped notice.

Kush entered the NFL as a Chiefs sixth-round pick in 2013. Browns General Manager John Dorsey held the same job in Kansas City at the time.

Kush spent the last three years in Chicago, but did not play at all in 2017 because of a torn hamstring. He opened last season as the starting left guard, but rookie James Daniels took over after Kush hurt his neck around midseason. He returned to action and made one start at right guard in place of the injured Kyle Long before Bryan Witzmann stepped in for the rest of the year.

With Kevin Zeitler off to the Giants, Austin Corbett will be the right guard for Cleveland in 2019. Kush will likely back up Corbett and left guard Joel Bitonio.

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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 14, 2019, 12:27:43 pm
I think we probably upgraded with Larsen.

Kush didn't play well at LG last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 01:26:38 pm

Kush not only got beat out by Daniel at LG he got beat out by Witzmann at RG.  Not a big loss.  And Witzmann was solid as a pass protector but struggled as a run blocker.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 14, 2019, 02:30:28 pm
NFLN reporting Dix will sign 1 year $3m with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 02:34:12 pm

I like the signing but now Pace pretty much has to find a safety in either this draft or next year's draft.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 14, 2019, 02:34:24 pm
wow.  thats an awesome deal for da bears.  imo Amos=Clinton-Dix.  Amos may fit a little better with Jackson, but I know who Id want comparing the contracts
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2019, 03:22:37 pm
I figured that if he left town without a contract he wasnt going to sign here. I am not sold on how good he is..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 03:39:56 pm

Are you sold on Buster Skrine?  How about Mike Davis?   cordarrelle patterson ?

Nobody knows how any busted up FA is going to perform.

But Clinton-Dix is durable (never missed a game in 5 years), a starter for most his entire career (74 starts out of 80), 14 career picks in 5 years, he's young at 26 and he'll be motivated to get a new contract in 2020.  (Hopefully not too motivated).

No, he's not Mike Brown, but he's talented and fits the Bears cap situation.  Now the Bears can draft BPA and sign additional FAs for depth.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2019, 04:13:26 pm
Apparently you missed my post farther above when I asked safety questions. My question was about whether Dix was a FS or a SS. IMHO Jackson is the FS. Amos had to be the SS. So are Dix and Jackson compatible? Or they both FSs?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 14, 2019, 04:14:41 pm
HA HA
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 14, 2019, 04:18:19 pm
I always thought Amos was our weakest link on D and he didn't do much. He was OK last year, but in previous years pretty bad.

Skrine supposed to be an excellent nickle - I've read he is a step up on often injured Callahan.

Patterson on brings SPEED - he will be running the ball as well....I felt the Patriots and Vikings did not use him correctly.

Davis is a nice backup - better than Mizzel and Cunningham

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 04:26:54 pm
Apparently you missed my post farther above when I asked safety questions. My question was about whether Dix was a FS or a SS. IMHO Jackson is the FS. Amos had to be the SS. So are Dix and Jackson compatible? Or they both FSs?

And I had stated previously,  in today's NFL the positions are pretty much interchangeable.  Some sites say Dix is a FS some say SS.  He's 6-1 208 and had a helluva lots of tackles in 2018.  Maybe he doesn't take great angles, maybe he's not as good as tackler as Amos, maybe he takes too many chances.  So he may make more splash plays but as someone stated he may give up more of those too.

If you look at the list of available FA safeties (see above) - I think Dix is probably about as good as you could want and they got him on a 1 year cap friendly deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 04:27:54 pm

And is Callahan still un-signed????
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2019, 04:38:43 pm
I've never seen Skrines play that I know of. I saw the clips of Davis which I like. Looks like a lot of elusiveness. I havent heard any reports of Calahan signing. Patterson if healthy is an upgrade at punt/kick returner. Just because we have Skrines and Davis we need to draft one. 3,4,5 should definitely find some depth and potential future starters.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 14, 2019, 05:49:55 pm
Callahan is smart to wait it out for the best offer.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 14, 2019, 06:13:12 pm

Or maybe he's overvalued himself...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 14, 2019, 09:25:57 pm
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix gets $3.5 million on his one-year deal from the #Bears, source says. He had more on the table elsewhere but it sounds like he wanted to join that Chicago defense and be reunited with his Alabama teammate Eddie Jackson.


Do not discount the relationship factor and the unspoken communication of players that have been teammates.  I had forgot about the college connection.  Makes me much more excited.  I like the move.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 14, 2019, 11:43:24 pm
I think it will be an excellent combo - Ha Ha and Jackson. Some Safeties can play both.

I think most safeties are an upgrade over Amos who was useless last year. Bears D made him look better. Fueller who is an all world CB and Same with Jackson - AWESOME front 7 in front of him.

Apparently Pace knows HA HA can replace Amos....and MUCH cheaper by MILLIONS!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2019, 12:31:46 am

Come on, I know he's a Packer now, but Amos was not useless. 

Think of all the safeties the Bears have signed or drafted over the years - he was the first to stick for quite a while.

Or did you forget:  Major Wright, Al Afalava, Antrelle Rolle, Adam ARchuleta, Chris Conte, Brock Vereen, Chris Prosinski, Craig STeltz, Harold Jones-Quartey and now DeAndre Houston-Carson?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 15, 2019, 02:07:54 am
Keep in mind Clinton-Dix was on some pretty bad Packer defenses.  He has never played with a pass rush like the Bears have.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 15, 2019, 05:51:04 am
Antrelle Rolle.  That was the name I was trying to think of yesterday.  When the sports talk turned to signing Eric Berry, I was trying to think of that former Giant's safety that gave us nothing at the end of his playing career.

Amos has been a durable solid starter.  If he had gotten his hands on the ball more, maybe we are talking about replacing Prince instead.  But looking at our defensive backfield, Jackson and Fuller are untouchable.  Prince has more value because he plays CB.  We can't pay everyone, and that is an easier position to replace than CB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 15, 2019, 12:23:43 pm
Ok

We have re-signed defensive tackle Nick Williams to a one-year contract.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 15, 2019, 12:44:35 pm
Doing research for an article about the Bears' signings thus far in free agency:

2018 Average yards per kick return:

Chicago Bears: 19.1 yards, 32nd in the NFL (aka dead last)

New England Patriots: 27 yards, 2nd in the NFL

Welcome, Cordarrelle Patterson
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2019, 02:12:30 pm
LOL I dont think so. Pace got Ha Ha cheaper

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/14/chicago-bears-safety-haha-clinton-dix-free-agent-adrian-amos/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 15, 2019, 05:02:21 pm
I think the clinton-dix signing is a good one, especially at his age.

I wonder if Jordy Nelson would be worth a look see?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 15, 2019, 09:04:17 pm
Callahan reunites with Fangio in Denver. 
Bearrrrse sign wr Hall from the falcons.  Special teams ace, very fast.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2019, 09:23:39 am
I was luke warm on Clinton-Dix till I read this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/15/grading-the-bears-signing-of-ha-ha-clinton-dix/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Then I read this: "Bears fans know firsthand how good Clinton-Dix can be. He’s thrived against Chicago; nine of his 14 interceptions have come against the Bears." I'm sold. Good move.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 16, 2019, 12:11:06 pm
I received some good intelligence from the SCORE yesterday on Clinton-Dix - some good - some bad - some not believable:

The Good: Great athlete, in his prime at 26, great player when he is around the ball - knows how to go after the ball, should be a good fit working next to his college teammate Eddie Jackson, fast

The Bad: can be out of position a lot (I think this can easily be fixed), this drove the Packers crazy, The Packers felt by the end of his days in Green Bay he was not making enough tackles and even shying away from contact (maybe an excuse for the release).

You can be out of position for a lot of reasons - including bad coaching and that's possible because the Packers drafted a lot of good DBs and the Packers secondary was terrible the last couple years.

Wayne Larravee - Peckers radio guy - (ex-Bears radio guy who you old timers - left the Bears because he was a massive Packers fan) - He hated Ha Ha Clinton-Dix the football player - nothing good to say (I say sour grapes). Larravee main quote was "there is a reason he is on his 3rd team in a year" - which isn't entirely true because Washington wanted him back and offered more money. He said there were plays when an opposing player was wide open and Clintnon-Dix would yelling at everyone and throwing his arms up and they look at the tape it was Clinton-Dix's guy. I think Larravee doesn't like the fact that he is with the Bears.

Anyway, it's good that he gets along with Jackson - Jackson recruited him (someone else here also said that). He is a great athlete. I believe the out of position problem can be fixed. He young at 26. Also we din't pay $9 million a year for average player like Amos.

Se we will see.
 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2019, 01:09:29 pm
Jackson could be the influence to get his buddy straightened out too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 17, 2019, 08:00:43 am
Out of position sounds like a lack of football discipline to me, and that's critical for a teams success. Not sold on the move.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2019, 02:30:09 am

You could be right.  My big concern is that he tries to pad his stats for his next contract.

Bears have a young but veteran defense so we'll if he plays undisciplined.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 18, 2019, 03:27:20 am
Pace seems to have a plan.  He and Nagy also seem to be on the same page.  Hopefully they have done their due diligence and feel like he will fit into their plan.  Also TBH if a guy you love on your team (Jackson)  speaks well of a guy you tend to want to bring them in.

Plus "me first" type players tend to give it their all on a one year prove it to me contract.  He wants the big pay day.  Hopefully he plays lights out, we win the SB and he signs for big money some where else and then slacks off.

 https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-ha-ha-clinton-dix-eddie-jackson-20190315-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2019, 09:38:02 am

Bears picked up some much needed speed in FA WR Marvin Hall.  Not sure how he will be used other than insurance at KR and PR, but I'm sure Nagy will come up with something on offense for him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 18, 2019, 11:26:39 am
MORE speed added Hall and Patterson....love it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 18, 2019, 05:05:53 pm
I recently heard from and NFL pundit that Monday of last week Callahan and his agent visited the Bears.
They wanted significantly more money than Callahan later signed for in Denver and were turned down so they left and ended negotiations.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 19, 2019, 09:14:17 am
lots of angst over the ODonnell signing:

Splits over Pat O'Donnell's holding career (courtesy of @Johnathan_Wood1):

POD kickers- 81.8% on road, opponents on road- 92.5%
POD kickers- 75% at Soldier Field, opponents at Soldier Field- 87.5%

Even at Soldier Field, opponents' success 12.5% higher than POD kickers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2019, 11:57:16 am
This is something to think about, not believe in:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/18/chicago-bears-7-round-mock-draft-post-free-agency-2019-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 19, 2019, 12:22:28 pm

Nothing wrong with any of these picks but this is pure need based not BPA:  a safety, a corner, and a running back with picks 3, 4, and 5.

From the article Savage sounded like a box safety but he ran a 4.36 at the combine and had 4 picks in 2018.  Predicted to between rounds 2 and 4.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 19, 2019, 01:08:38 pm
Charles Barkley would call that draft "Turrble", and I would agree.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2019, 01:38:12 pm
I was less than thrilled with it, but those things are way too early to be too concerned. While OT may not be anybodys priority I am of the opinion its a need for the future. And also just because I mention OT, not all college OTs end up playing OT in the NFL. We need some young blood in the line. Long may need replacing soon and so may Massie, despite his new contract. I am not thrilled with the current backups we have.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2019, 01:53:41 pm
On Dix playing out of position at times, sometimes that happens when you don’t trust your teammates to do their job so you try to help cover for them. Dix was on a defense that wasn’t too good maybe he was trying to cover for others at times.... I think he can trust these guys to be where they should be.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 19, 2019, 02:10:23 pm
Now lets just hope  we can trust Dix to be where he is supposed to be....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 19, 2019, 02:15:05 pm
There's a reason Amos got top dollar and Dix got a low 1 year deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 19, 2019, 03:31:31 pm
Yes, the Peckers over paid for Amos.....Bears, who know Amos best, were not willing to pay that for an average at best safety.

I think Dix will be fine with the Bears as he will be the 4th or 5th best DB playing.

Amos will have to be the best on the Peckers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2019, 03:37:57 pm
If Dix trusts his buddy Jackson, he should be fine.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on March 19, 2019, 05:17:04 pm
On Amos, you can blame two things;


Paying a defensive end QB money and future contract request for the QB who believes he should be paid more than a DE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 20, 2019, 05:26:27 am
On Dix playing out of position at times, sometimes that happens when you don’t trust your teammates to do their job so you try to help cover for them. Dix was on a defense that wasn’t too good maybe he was trying to cover for others at times.... I think he can trust these guys to be where they should be.

That's long been my point about Trevathian as well.  Not that he was underperforming or out of position.  But I believe that a source of his injuries prior to 2018, were trying to cover other peoples assignments.  Plug in Roquan, and he was remarkably healthy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 20, 2019, 12:32:08 pm
Otto'd...you paid $9 million for a less than average safety. We had plenty of money to sign Amos. We were never going to give him $9 million. The Peckers D is terrible and now lost more players and you fill up spots with over paid average players. Bears were obviously not that interested in a non-play maker.

Khalil Mack is an all world player and deserve every penny. Still in his prime.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 21, 2019, 02:19:30 am
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/bears-re-sign-o-donnell-bray-to-new-deals
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 21, 2019, 10:09:47 am
We sure didnt hear about this locally. All we heard was Bell which was Phoney.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/19/bears-tried-signing-rb-adrian-peterson/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 21, 2019, 11:39:00 am

Petersen isn't that much better of a pass receiver than Howard.  Has been healthy only 2 of the last 5 seasons.  Has a reputation as a fumbler - much more so than Howard.  And is 34 years old.

Keep Howard.  Draft a HB is rounds 3 or 4 this year OR draft a HB with one of our two second rounders next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 21, 2019, 12:56:27 pm
Glad we did not sign Petterson - could he have been good? Yes....but he tends to fumble at the worst times.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 21, 2019, 06:15:59 pm
I re-watched the Rams game for a football fix.  Here are a few observations"

1.  In the frst half Bears kept running that confounded wide receiver screen which was stopped every time.  It looks like a college play designed by an OC without NFL experience
    (OHHH! we have Helfrich!!).  He needs to learn it rarely works against NFL DB's especially as the centerpiece of your offense.  Please learn for 2019.

2.  With the planned offense not working, they apparently didn't know what to do so they ran Howard early and often and he moved the chains while they figured out their
     backup plan.  I still say Howard will be missed in games like this if they get rid of him.
     By 10 min. or so to go in the third they figured it out and were throwing down field.

3.  Trubisky is an electrifying play and great overall athlete.  But he threw 3 bad interceptions and is not "NFL ready" yet.  He's going to have to improve with another training
     camp or the Bears are not a SB contender.

4.  Pagano needs to find a way to counter teams double and triple teaming of Mack.  Maybe blitzing the other linebacker so one of the linemen has to handle that and leave
    Mack 1 on 1.  I think Pagano may me more creative than Fangio, I hope so.

5.  Leonard Floyd is now a big part of the defense playing well against the pass as well as the run.  He's disruptive.  He still can't beat an OL one on one for sacks which is
     baffling considering his quickness and how much of a force he is otherwise.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 22, 2019, 09:29:08 am
3.  Trubisky is an electrifying play and great overall athlete.  But he threw 3 bad interceptions and is not "NFL ready" yet.  He's going to have to improve with another training
     camp or the Bears are not a SB contender.


Maybe Trubisky wasn't NFL ready in the Rams game but recall that that game was Trubisky's first game back from a 2 game absence due to a shoulder injury suffered in the Viking game.  This injury was more serious than let on.  Following that game in the 3 regular season games and 1 playoff game - Trubisky did not throw a single pick.  But yes the Bears need Trubisky to improve over year 2 just as he did over year 1, but the Bears were and are a SB contender.

5.  Leonard Floyd is now a big part of the defense playing well against the pass as well as the run.  He's disruptive.  He still can't beat an OL one on one for sacks which is
     baffling considering his quickness and how much of a force he is otherwise.


I defended Floyd's poor play the first half last season where he recorded zero sacks in the first 8 games.  I don't know how you can play edge rusher with a big cast on your hand, but he toughed it out.  2nd half he had 4 sacks.    And in the playoff game added another sack -  I believe beating a pretty good LT in Jason Peters for the sack.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 22, 2019, 09:59:11 am
The #Browns signed former #Bears OL Bryan Witzmann.

7:50 AM - 22 Mar 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2019, 09:31:50 am
I found this interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/22/chicago-bears-2019-nfl-draft-propsects-jachai-polite-marquise-brown-darrell-henderson/

Just something to think about.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 25, 2019, 05:05:05 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/24/chicago-bears-salary-cap-space-2019-free-agency/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 25, 2019, 11:01:07 am
I thought Otto said we didn't have any cap money? We just didn't want to pay $9 million for a below average safety that was protected by a bunch of All-pros.

$16 million pretty good. Not sure what we need. It should be used to re-sign the core. Maybe sign or trade for a RB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 25, 2019, 12:20:52 pm

Pace doesn't have any glaring holes.  I'd think he'll be standing pat until after the draft.  At that point he might go shopping to fill in some depth that didn't get filled in with the draft and undrafted rookies.

I'd like to get Lynch back but read he's looking at 3 other teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 25, 2019, 02:27:18 pm
Oh, thats right the Bears were cruel to him for not giving him enough time off during training camp last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 25, 2019, 03:16:46 pm
They may use the cap money to try to extend Jackson and Whitehair.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 25, 2019, 09:28:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQ1frxI1Kc
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2019, 09:18:43 am
Kind of what we all expected:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/24/chicago-bears-salary-cap-space-2019-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I would guess we are set till the draft and then maybe pay our own guys like Jackson.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 27, 2019, 08:18:19 am
Besides a good kicker and few quality backups - what do we need?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 27, 2019, 09:49:03 am
In my honest opinion, Massie was overpaid by the Bears. I doubt anybody was going to pay a RT as much as he got:

https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AP-t6gNfFz0PXJuCkAc_eIU-bbs?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALNSs87LFvtV1dSX8B9iLPheO0ug5ytifjSc4_7wjn26vySKXSleEK1NkYhdbCELQIcjK5Hq2kLsIM0__X5InVdc8Q6ha9N5zkGa_ftqAaXaC8D_0WetqxGqgv5JxQFwsh0ERImzl8rAVbz2wZywXD4aqqtypwszrnUX9b0gZ9AC

To each his own opinion Bobby Massie.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 27, 2019, 10:46:56 am

In my dis-honest opinion...the Bears may have overpaid for Massie or maybe they didn't.

First of all, continuity on the offensive line is critical - bring back Massie helps to ensure that continuity.
Two, the RT is becoming like a 2nd safety on defense.  There's almost no difference between the importance of the pass blocking ability between a LT and RT as you'll find defenses coming off either edge.  See Khalil Mack.   
Three, Massie gave up 2 sacks in 2018.  Only had 4 penalties. 
Four, Massie is durable.  Missed 2 games over 3 Bears seasons. 
Five, we don't have an upcoming RT waiting in the wings.  And we don't have the draft ammunition either.
Six, Massie stated he could have went to free agency but took less money to stay with the Bears.  Maybe.   But the fact that the Bears targeted him over Callahan and Amos says something.
Seven, Massie will turn 30 just before the start of the season.  He probably has at least 2 maybe 3 years of quality play in him before he needs to be upgraded.
Eight, Pace knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 27, 2019, 11:23:54 am
I believe Massie would have gotten more elsewhere - it was a good signing. Much like Amos was way over paid by the Peckers. There are a lot of teams that need tackles.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 27, 2019, 01:29:15 pm
Rashad Coward could be a RT, transferring from the DL, just like Big Cat did.  Just saying, you never know.  Lets see what Heistand can get out of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 27, 2019, 01:52:13 pm
I think he signed with someone else.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 27, 2019, 02:11:08 pm
Coward is still listed on the Bears roster on their web site.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 27, 2019, 03:25:05 pm
Rashad Coward could be a RT, transferring from the DL, just like Big Cat did.  Just saying, you never know.  Lets see what Heistand can get out of him.

I hope you aren't suggesting Bears could start him Thursday night against the Pack's new high dollar FA signings.  There was a reason Bears re-signed Massie.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 27, 2019, 03:30:40 pm
Coward is still listed on the Bears roster on their web site.

Yeah it was Compton who signed with the jets
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 27, 2019, 05:04:29 pm
we don't have an upcoming RT waiting in the wings

Correctamundo. The reason for overpaying Massie. Agreed....NP

Rashad Coward could be a RT

Yeah and the man in the moon could actually eat green cheese too

That issue remains to be seen. Can our great Harry Hiestand make hin into a serviceable RT? We dont know that.

I suppose if anybody can, Harry can do it.

That said, when disaster strikes like Massie going down in training camp, that wouldnt make me happy.

I just dont like it we really are not stocked on the Oline. I sure hope the injury bug doesnt bite us in the butt. I would not be upset if Pace were to find a RT he liked in the 3rd round. End of rant.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 27, 2019, 05:06:28 pm
I felt Massie was rather good last year. Several teams were lining up to sign him. Not sure where the complaints are. The man had to get paid.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 27, 2019, 05:14:54 pm
Yes, agreed, he was very decent and was very healthy. Is he good enough to be the RT on a Super Bowl team? Thats where my pinch comes. I just am not sold on that. Thats what I'm scared of.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 27, 2019, 05:37:41 pm
we don't have an upcoming RT waiting in the wings

Correctamundo. The reason for overpaying Massie. Agreed....NP

Rashad Coward could be a RT

Yeah and the man in the moon could actually eat green cheese too

That issue remains to be seen. Can our great Harry Hiestand make hin into a serviceable RT? We dont know that.

I suppose if anybody can, Harry can do it.

That said, when disaster strikes like Massie going down in training camp, that wouldnt make me happy.

I just dont like it we really are not stocked on the Oline. I sure hope the injury bug doesnt bite us in the butt. I would not be upset if Pace were to find a RT he liked in the 3rd round. End of rant.

The Bears are as well off depth wise as anybody. 

Sowell and Coward are backup tackles and the only better players are old and require higher paychecks due to their tenure.
Daniels and Whitehair can play 3 positions (Whitehair played all 5 or 4 in college)  Ted Larson is a good backup guard and there will be someone added sometime.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 27, 2019, 05:49:15 pm
Yes, agreed, he was very decent and was very healthy. Is he good enough to be the RT on a Super Bowl team? Thats where my pinch comes. I just am not sold on that. Thats what I'm scared of.

You can't stock your team with a pro bowler at every position.  But yes, Massie could easily play RT for just about any playoff team and not hinder their chances.

Same goes for backups - any given team isn't going to necessarily have a near starter quality backup.  That's one of the reasons the Bears were so successful last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2019, 05:53:52 pm
Quote
You can't stock your team with a pro bowler at every position.
Sure would be fun to try  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 27, 2019, 06:52:28 pm

Unless you had a bunch of talented players on their first contract it would be tough due to the salary cap.

But Bears defensively came pretty damn close last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 28, 2019, 11:23:59 am
1985 Bears were close. Almost the entire D - when healthy. O-line was amazing. Payton. Jim McMahon pro-bowl caliber when healhty.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 28, 2019, 11:37:33 am

2018 Bears were missing those kind of guys on offense at the skill positions.  QB, HB, TE, WRs....we're all middle of the road performers.  In today's NFL you need more firepower - too hard to win it all with just a great defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 28, 2019, 12:42:05 pm
Yes but the O over all can over come that. Speed everywhere.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 28, 2019, 02:07:19 pm
Yes, agreed, he was very decent and was very healthy. Is he good enough to be the RT on a Super Bowl team? Thats where my pinch comes. I just am not sold on that. Thats what I'm scared of.

He was a few inches away from being the RT on a Super Bowl team this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 28, 2019, 08:11:14 pm
J. Howard traded.  I think we will miss him.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2822780-jordan-howard-traded-from-bears-to-eagles-for-2020-draft-pick
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on March 28, 2019, 08:44:25 pm
Too bad.  Howard was excellent in the last half of the season, regardless of being a (bad fit).  The Bears will be sorry they traded him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 28, 2019, 10:58:04 pm
I liked Howard a lot. Nagy didn't give him a fair shake.

He is North, South runner and gets started late. Doesn't fit Nagy's O at all

I wish him the best and he will do great things for the Eagles.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Chris27 on March 28, 2019, 11:27:38 pm
Howard's solid and steady. Nothing wrong with that but why not shoot for explosive and game-breaking? Go draft Jacobs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 29, 2019, 12:14:54 am
So Howard didn't " fit the scheme"

There were 4-5 games last year when the scheme wasn't working and they needed a back who DIDN'T fit the scheme.  Not necessarily for the whole 4 quarter s but he moved the chains while they figured out the wide receiver screen doesn't work often.

Maybe Howard told them he wanted out now and they helped him out.  I just don't agree it was a good football move.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2019, 12:46:54 am
For those who hoped for a high pick for Howard I hope you see what he is worth. And not even a 2019 pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 29, 2019, 05:14:44 am
I will say this I just got a lot more interested in the draft next month.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 29, 2019, 05:26:21 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGOkjenEt2o
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2019, 06:58:41 am
I am not so upset about trading Howard, although I did like him, but to get a 6/5 and not until next year?  Come on man. 

And after watching that Henderson video, no way he sticks around until our 3rd round pick.  Which means Pace would have to move up to get him, and we have limited picks this year as it is.  Sigh.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2019, 07:03:51 am
Good point:

demstinkinbums says:
March 29, 2019 at 7:40 am
Howie playing chess, while most teams play checkers… why the Bears just wouldn’t utilize Howard this year, and then let him walk in FA in 2020 and get a better than the 6th rounder in a comp pick then they just got anyway doesn’t make any sense when his cap hit is so low. But as an Eagles fan… thanks!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 29, 2019, 08:42:26 am
From The Athletic / Kevin Fishbain

A sixth-round pick?  Not bad, actually.  The Bears didn’t really have much leverage. Everyone knew they were open to trading Howard.  And players rarely bring back a draft pick that matches their value.  Bill Barnwell at ESPN wrote about it Thursday (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26369480/barnwell-lessons-2019-nfl-free-agency-how-much-stars-really-worth#trades).  Antonio Brown netted a third- and fifth-round pick for the Steelers.  Antonio Brown!  Last month I asked a league source if Howard could bring in a fifth- or sixth-round pick, and he said that would probably be the ballpark.  This is the way trades have worked in the NFL, as long as you’re not talking about a rare situation like Khalil Mack.  Credit goes to the Eagles, too, for getting a young running back who can be effective for a late-round pick.  This deal can work for both sides.

For those who were clamoring for a 2021 compensatory pick if Howard stayed on the roster and left via free agency — Howard would have had to fetch a big-time contract next year for that to happen. What were the odds of that?

Once the Bears decided that they didn’t need Howard in their backfield, it’s better they got something instead of nothing. Simple as that. The only surprise is that they didn’t wait until draft weekend, when trades like this usually take place, but they clearly liked the Eagles’ offer, and didn’t think they’d get a better one.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 29, 2019, 08:45:10 am
I would be shocked if the Bears do not move up to get that rookie RB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 29, 2019, 09:29:02 am
Being in Memphis, I obviously saw a ton of Henderson...

This is a pretty good, and thorough, scouting report.

https://www.cover1.net/nfl-draft-scouting-report-darrell-henderson-rb-memphis/

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 29, 2019, 10:11:47 am

I'm thinking the trade is more about getting carries for Mike Davis than it is for some unknown middle round draft pick running back.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2019, 10:23:40 am
Hmmm a late 2nd huh. Shouldnt take that much to move up that high.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2019, 10:42:03 am
Just looking at mocks, they have Henderson going around pick 100, although one had us nab him at 87.  Didnt see any that had him drop to our 4th round pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 29, 2019, 10:45:37 am
Hmmm a late 2nd huh. Shouldnt take that much to move up that high.

It would take our entire 2019 draft to move up into the bottom third of round 2.  And we'd still owe 2020 picks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2019, 10:58:44 am
Strangely enough we are talking about RBs and Henderson and this email pops up:

Opinions welcome:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/28/2019-nfl-draft-4-running-backs-the-bears-can-target-to-replace-jordan-howard/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 29, 2019, 11:40:43 am

As obvious as it may appear don't be so sure Pace will target a HB in round 3.   Safety might be the 2nd most needed choice since both Clinton-Dix and Busch will be FAs after this season.

And of course there's the BPA option too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2019, 12:07:42 pm
Any concern that Henderson is sort of like Cohen?  Short, shifty, fast?  He might be a tad bigger, but he doesnt measure up to Logic's 220 lbs......just saying.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 29, 2019, 12:09:35 pm
NFL Mock Draft: Aaron Leming's post-initial free agency period
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Jalen Jelks
(Photo: John Phillips, 247Sports)
Free agency has come and gone (for the most part) and this is the perfect time to sit back and reassess team needs. It’s been an interesting start for general manager Ryan Pace and the Chicago Bears. For most (including me), I had expected a bit more. They lost both Adrian Amos and Bryce Callahan while replacing them with other veterans. Both of which have been viewed nationally as downgrades.

On top of that, they have not addressed the edge position yet from a depth perspective, which leaves me a little antsy heading into next month’s draft. With all of that in mind, I’m not sure you can make an argument that the Bears are any worse than they were heading into the offseason. Obviously, there have been changes but they haven’t lost or gained anything big.

They also still sit with a healthy amount of cap space ($17.7 million according to the NFLPA as of Monday). Which means they’ve still got the flexibility to make a few smaller moves and fill more holes before late April.

While we still don’t have a complete picture of their needs heading into this crucial period, most of their roster has become much more clear. Because of this, it should be much easier to project picks in the second installment of my 2019 Bears mock draft.

Round 3, Pick No. 87 overall
RB Darrell Henderson, Memphis

In my first mock draft, I had Miles Sanders projected in this spot. The more I dive into this draft class and read the tea leaves from combine and pro day workouts, the more it seems like Sanders is going to be long gone before the Bears pick.

The good news? It’s more likely that someone like Henderson falls to them.

Maybe I’ve overrated him a bit because last month, I would have never assumed he would be there at 87. One thing to keep in mind is that running backs are extremely hard to project.

If the Bears are able to land Henderson, it would be an excellent acquisition at this point in the draft. He’s got home run speed, very good receiving ability and very quick feet. He also can run with power, which makes him a good fit in multiple blocking schemes. He would be the perfect compliment to Mike Davis.

Round 4, Pick No. 126 overall
S Mike Edwards, Kentucky

Contrary to what some may believe, I absolutely believe the Bears are looking for their long-term answer at safety, alongside Eddie Jackson. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Ha Ha Clinton-Dix signing but if he has a good year, he’s going to command $7-8 million per year on the open market and I don’t see the Bears paying that. Plus Deon Bush will be a free agent.

Edwards is someone that has grown on many people. He may be more of the prototypical strong safety but he does have some coverage skills, which is why I like the fit here in the fourth. I’d say that he profiles closer to Adrian Amos but with better ball skills and range.

Amani Hooker or Darnell Savage are my top choices but I’m not sure either will be available when the Bears start picking.

Round 5, Pick No. 162 overall
Edge Jalen Jelks, Oregon

We’re two weeks into free agency and the Bears have yet to make a move at outside linebacker. Yes, they have Khalil Mack and Leonard Floyd as their starters but depth off the edge is a serious need.

With this in mind, I still do believe they’ll add some sort of veteran before we reach the draft. Whether that’s re-signing Aaron Lynch or going after another veteran looking for a one-year, prove it deal, I’m still assuming that will happen. So, keep this in mind as I wait until the fifth-round to add an edge rusher.

Jelks is something the Bears have met with and someone who profiles well as a developmental edge prospect that could end up as a starter down the line. At this point, Jelks would just be depth but he’s one of my favorite Day 3 prospects and fits with adding upside to the future.

Round 7, Pick No. 222 overall
WR Penny Hart, Georgia State

Originally, I had Hart projected to go in the fifth-round but the more mocks I do with updated big boards, the more likely him being around later has become.

Think of Hart as Taylor Gabriel’s eventual replacement. He’s small (5’8, 180 pounds) and was one of the combine’s biggest snubs. Even so, he’s exactly the type of small school gamble Pace likes to take in the mid-to-late rounds.

Hart is a speedy target that brings versatility. He has extremely quick feet with very good speed to be a deep threat or someone they use in end-around type situations. He’s got steady hands and is the exact type of player that will help add a speed element to Nagy’s offense.

While the fifth-round could be a little high for someone like Hart, he fits the exact bill that Pace usually gambles on right around this time in the draft. A receiver isn’t a huge need but this is the type of player that you feature in small packages in year one and expand his role in the future.

Round 7, Pick No. 238 overall
K Matthew Gay, Utah

The Bears need a kicker. It’s really that simple. Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune has reported that the team doesn’t plan to spend big at kicker and through two weeks of free agency, that has held true.

Because of that, there’s very little chance that the Bears find a way to solve their kicking situation before the draft. Although, I wouldn’t be surprised if they signed a veteran at a minimum salary benefit before the draft. Even so, I fully expect them to add a kicker during the draft process.

There’s a good chance that one kicker will be gone by this point but both Gay and Cole Tracy are the two kickers that appear to be the cream of this year’s kicking crop, along with Austin Seibert. Gay has the bigger leg and is used to kicking in bad weather. Yes, altitude is always cause for concern when evaluating kickers but he looks like the best fit for what Pace is looking for.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 29, 2019, 12:59:49 pm
I don't see Clinton-Dix as a dongrade other than money - Amos was basically useless.

Callahan had a good year but was hurt - but not a pro-bowl player
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on March 29, 2019, 01:02:22 pm
Howard average per carry dropped every year. That was an issue and they did not like him catching the ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 29, 2019, 02:17:50 pm

Its not like our O-line was blowing anybody off the ball.  Howard was often getting hit in the back field for zero and 1 yard gains.  BUT when there was a hole Howard left some yards on the table with his very average speed.  Just hope the new guy(s) and pick up that 3rd and 1 which Howard often did.

It's obvious Nagy prefers the Davis/Cohen/rookie combo in 2019.  And what value would Howard have after being possibly 4th on the depth chart and a FA next year?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 29, 2019, 02:21:40 pm

Howard savings enabled Bears to re-sign safety Houston-Carson.  Bears now leading the league in the hyphenated player names.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 01, 2019, 12:19:57 pm
I can't believe the Bears signed Jay Cutler to mentor and potential backup Trubisky! What were they thinking?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 01, 2019, 01:31:27 pm

And the Bears fired Nagy and re-hired Mike Ditka.

And the Honey Bears are back.



Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2019, 01:34:01 pm
Crazy question:

Does a 4/3 DE equate to 3/4 OLB/ edge rusher?

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/920228d0-26cf-30b3-910d-d8a83d0e8db7/de-ogbah-a-no-show-at-browns.html

Is he any good? Would he have any value to Pace? Just asking........
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2019, 01:37:54 pm
And the Honey Bears are back.

Yeah I could go for that  8)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 01, 2019, 01:53:52 pm
I think Emmanuel Ogbah could work well in our scheme. Any edge rusher is better with Mack on the field.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 01, 2019, 03:07:28 pm

The only difference between a 3/4 OLB and a 4/3 DE is the DEs can be a little big bigger, but basically they are the same player.  A bigger 4-3 DE might have difficulty dropping into coverage and typically start off in a 3 point stance.

But if you watch a lot of Bears football you see they play a lot of 4-3 and not that much 3-4.  And when in a 3-4 you rarely see Floyd and Mack dropping into pass coverage.

Emmanuel Ogbah would be a nice 3rd rusher but is probably out of the Bears price range to swing a trade.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 01, 2019, 03:32:44 pm

Now Lynch wouldn't cost the Bears any draft picks....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 01, 2019, 03:49:52 pm
Lynch is a known commodity that I like....and yes no draft picks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 01, 2019, 06:07:28 pm
Bears re-sign OLB Lynch for one year

The Chicago Bears re-signed free agent outside linebacker Aaron Lynch on a one-year deal Monday. Lynch, 26, had three sacks and eight quarterback hits in 13 games (three starts) as a rotational rusher behind Khalil Mack and Leonard Floyd last season. A former fifth-round pick of the San Francisco 49ers, Lynch had 12.5 sacks and 35 QB hits in 30 games (16 starts) from 2014-15, but he played in just 14 games total from 2016-17, managing 2.5 sacks and 11 QB hurries.

Solid signing. Still in prime. I thought he put some pressure on the QB.

He should have a better camp as well because I believe no major injuries this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2019, 06:46:46 pm
Ogbah was traded to KC fo some Safety straight up I think

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-browns-trade-nigerian-born-defender-ogbah-chiefs-231530976--nfl.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 01, 2019, 06:59:56 pm
Lynch was kind of a slug last year and Irving shows better pass rush.
Maybe Lynch will do better with a training camp.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 01, 2019, 09:30:06 pm

A slug?  Really?   

For someone who missed most of all of training camp I was pleasantly surprisingly impressed with Lynch. 

Irving and for that matter Fitts could turn out to be solid contributors, but we know what Lynch can do.  He just has to avoid injuries which have nagged him throughout his career.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 01, 2019, 09:43:54 pm
As far as Lynch we didn't see anything resembling the guy in these highlights.

He just locked up with the tackle as if he had no pass rush ability.  The energy level just wasn't there and he was only 25 last year.

Hopefully he gets some mojo back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c23PTIJzAtU
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 01, 2019, 10:25:59 pm

Those highlights are meaningless.  Lynch was in SF for 4 years and a healthy starter for 2 of those years, so yeah, there's going to be a lot of highlights of his 12 or 13 sacks those first 2 years.

If Lynch didn't get injured at the end of last season I'd bet the Bears couldn't afford to pay him as a 2nd stringer this year.  Somebody would have signed him to a long term deal.

And if you project his 3 sacks based on 33% playing time to say 66% you end up with numbers like he had as a starter in SF - about 6 sacks.   I know Floyd was injured but he had only 4 sacks.

Bears are extremely fortunate to get Lynch back - I can't believe I have to defend signing this guy...again.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 02, 2019, 12:38:54 am
I guess we'll see, again having a training camp is only going to give him a better chance of success.  But last year he didn't show the burst seen in the "meaningless" highlights videos.  He was too easy to block.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 02, 2019, 05:11:03 am
I have been watching youtube highlights of all the running backs in this years draft.  I cannot get away from D. Henderson.  The guy is a flat out stud.  He has burst, vision and speed.  He would be perfect.  If he somehow last to the mid 2nd round, if I were Pace I would trade up and draft him in second.  If he can stay healthy he will surprise a lot of people this year.  A lot of the RB's that people are projecting early are very ho hum in my opinion, but Henderson just jumps off the tape to me. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2019, 08:43:29 am
Henderson’s only concern, imo, is his durability.

As part of a committee, he’s a home run selection in my book.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2019, 08:50:35 am
Let me also add this...

Memphis has another really good RB - Patrick Taylor.

Having him the past few years probably made it easier to rest Henderson if he was the least bit dinged up, so it’s possible Henderson may have sat some times when he could have played just to be safe.

Having Taylor around also keep the miles low on Henderson...which is nice...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 03, 2019, 07:56:01 am
Trayveon Williams, Henderson or Jacobs?

I think all might require a trade up.  Philly is looking for a dynamic back to complement.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 03, 2019, 10:47:10 am

Last year Bears traded up the 3rd rounder to get a 2nd rounder to take Anthony Miller.  The cost was our 2019 2nd round pick.

Bears do have two 2020 second rounders (Oakland still has our first rounder next year).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2019, 09:18:06 am
I really wish these clowns wouldnt broadcast our needs:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/03/chicago-bears-four-round-mock-draft-miles-sanders-running-back/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

This is a very good RB. If he falls to us it would be a good thing
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 05, 2019, 09:56:41 am

I'm sure numerous GMs get the majority of their information off sportwriter articles.  Maybe they pay $ for Mel Kipers mock too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 05, 2019, 09:57:12 am
Agreed. There are some good back out there for the 3rd round. But that might mean a different player falls to us.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 05, 2019, 10:05:30 am

Pace might go HB in round 3.  But who plays safety in 2020?  Ha Ha is a FA and so is Devin Bush after next season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 05, 2019, 12:35:06 pm
Per Twitter, Lynch re-signed for 1M base salary, plus a signing bonus of 250K or so. Bargain.

Houston-Carson and Sclaes re-signed for 3-year vet minimum...around 720K.

Bears still have roughly 17.7M cap space.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on April 05, 2019, 01:45:17 pm
I'm sure numerous GMs get the majority of their information off sportwriter articles.  Maybe they pay $ for Mel Kipers mock too.

Not since Wanny got out of the league anyway...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 05, 2019, 10:49:42 pm
Quote
Not since Wanny got out of the league anyway... 
AHHHHP! Send me Kiper's picks, quick! It's our turn!

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/59547557/im-gonna-have-to-watch-you.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 06, 2019, 01:33:05 pm
oh no Wanny comment....he must hangout with Marc Trestman
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 07, 2019, 05:50:10 pm
Looks like Pace is jumping on this problem with both feet.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/05/chicago-bears-free-agency-stephen-gostkowski-cody-parkey/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 07, 2019, 06:20:21 pm
Month old article. Likely the Pats resign him....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 08, 2019, 10:19:18 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/06/bears-look-to-aaf-for-potential-starting-kicker/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 08, 2019, 10:26:30 am
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019/04/04/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-interview-sean-bunting-central-michigan/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 08, 2019, 11:11:58 am

I could definitely seeing Pace going cornerback in round 3.  Prince Amukamara turns 30 soon...and there's the salary.  Plus you can't have too many good CBs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 09, 2019, 12:54:18 pm
Lets pave the way for Robbie to come back:

The 49ers used their franchise tag on kicker Robbie Gould, but a report indicates that they may be looking in another direction at the position.

Matt Maiocco of NBCSportsBayArea.com reports that the team is interested in Stephen Gostkowski. The longtime Patriots kicker became a free agent at the start of the league year last month.

Gould has not signed his franchise tag and the team could and likely would rescind it if they were to strike a deal with Gostkowski to take his place. Gould expressed some interest in exploring free agent opportunities before the 49ers opted to use the tag earlier this year.

49ers General Manager John Lynch said last month that there was still a chance of striking a long-term deal with Gould, although interest in Gostkowski would suggest that things are not progressing all that quickly on that front.

A report last week indicated that talks between Gostkowski and the Patriots about a new deal haven’t heated up. There’s been no word of other teams making a run at the 13-year veteran.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 09, 2019, 04:25:06 pm
Gould has a high salary and Pace has to be careful with money considering several starters are coming upfor contract next year.
I wonder if Gould would give the Bears a break to play where his family lives.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 10, 2019, 08:37:58 am
Gostkowski resigns with the Pats.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2019, 09:42:12 am
How about this?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/10/2019-nfl-draft-mek-kiper-chicago-bears-running-back-devin-singletary/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Who gives 10 dry farts about an "A" grade from Kiper?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2019, 09:49:08 am
Getting time to work on draft strategy:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/08/bears-host-josh-jacobs-myles-gaskin-for-pre-draft-visits/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular

I dont know who or what the Bears are doing. A lot of what they are now doing is a set up for the draft so that "their" player is still there when they draft.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2019, 01:43:05 pm
This guy's position mirrors mine in reference to the OLine:

"It seems as though the Bears need a right guard prospect to groom for Kyle Long’s departure. They will be paying good money to Cody Whitehair and eventually James Daniels. Ryan Pace needs to draft a mid-round guard either this year or next to step in and complete the interior of that line on a cheaper rookie deal. At any rate, I was wondering about Rashaad Coward. Obviously, they are grooming him at right tackle, but it looks like Bobby Massie will be here for at least two more years. Can they or are they preparing Coward to play guard too? Seems like it would make sense to develop him at both positions and increase his versatility, especially since Massie is here to stay for a bit. — Matt K., Rochester, N.Y.

Yes, the Bears plan to work Coward at guard and tackle when they get back on the field this spring. He’ll be a guy to keep a close eye on in the preseason, as I am sure they want to give him a lot of playing time to evaluate him. It’s a big offseason for Coward in Year 2 of his transition to the offensive line. He can carve out a spot for himself moving forward if he does well. Having a player who can play guard and tackle certainly helps when constructing a 53-man roster that whittles down to 46 for game day."

I  dont trust Coward. I was hoping for a flyer on a future OG development player out of this draft.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2019, 01:50:28 pm
Getting time to work on draft strategy:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/08/bears-host-josh-jacobs-myles-gaskin-for-pre-draft-visits/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular

I dont know who or what the Bears are doing. A lot of what they are now doing is a set up for the draft so that "their" player is still there when they draft.

Do you think its only one player?  Drafting late in round 3 I'd bet they have a list of guys that they'd take.  Could be wrong.  They might have that one guy in their sights and ready to pull the trigger on a trade up once he is available past a certain point.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 11, 2019, 01:52:42 pm

It's hard to evaluate lineman in the first place and even more difficult when they don't play...at all.   They might like Coward's potential and they still might draft a future replacement for Long.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2019, 02:19:05 pm
If you consider yourself an offensive juggernaught it begins with the Oline. Coward or no Coward I dont see any dynasty here. Disagree with me if you like, I just dont see any optimism with Coward. However I do see the value in working Coward at both OT and OG. Its time to see what you have in Coward. New Orleans always found players off the street or late round players for Oline. Lets hope and pray Pace has a plan.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 12, 2019, 04:47:03 am
If I am not mistaken, last year was the start of the transition for Coward.  People inside the building decided to keep him on the 53 man roster - which speaks that they thought highly enough of him to not place him on the practice squad where another team could pluck him.  We haven't seen anything from him, and God bless us that we were healthy enough on the Oline last season that we didn't need to see him in live action. 

I would guess we will see plenty of Coward in the preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 12, 2019, 12:52:11 pm
I would guess we will see plenty of Coward in the preseason.

Per Brad Biggs's mailbag


"Yes, the Bears plan to work Coward at guard and tackle when they get back on the field this spring. He’ll be a guy to keep a close eye on in the preseason, as I am sure they want to give him a lot of playing time to evaluate him. It’s a big offseason for Coward in Year 2 of his transition to the offensive line. He can carve out a spot for himself moving forward if he does well. Having a player who can play guard and tackle certainly helps when constructing a 53-man roster that whittles down to 46 for game day."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 12, 2019, 08:12:46 pm
Some free agents still available if Pace wants a 1 year deal.

https://nfltraderumors.co/top-25-2019-nfl-free-agents-list/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 12, 2019, 09:31:09 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/bears-add-fry-to-kicking-competition

AFF'er.  Glad we added him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 13, 2019, 08:37:58 am
Interesting that Shane Ray is still on the list.  I thought there were rumors about us trading for him.  I wonder why he isnt signed somewhere?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 13, 2019, 12:53:43 pm

Due to injuries I guess, he's only had 1 sack in each of the last 2 years.

He needs to take a one year deal to prove himself - he's still young.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2019, 09:20:36 am
I dont know if this is such a good idea. I mean one of the greatest trash talkers was Michael Jordan. Trouble is he was one who could back up that talk.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/13/akiem-hicks-to-saints-cam-jordan-your-defense-cant-hold-our-jock/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I wonder if we play the Saints this year. Probably.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 15, 2019, 09:35:47 am

Yes and in Chicago...preferably in December...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 15, 2019, 10:40:10 am
Would anyone take a flyer on Muhammed Wilkerson? He suited up for only 3 games for the Packers last year and record zero stats.

BUT, he was a beast at one time. 6'4" and 315. Not sure what his injury situation is. Apparently the Peckers decide not to bring him back.

He is 29 and has had 2 double digit sack seasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2019, 03:39:07 pm
I dont know. I heard he isnt a good lockerroom guy. I guess you can always cut him if he is bad. I thought he was a 3/4 DE. Not sure we need that anyways.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 15, 2019, 06:00:17 pm
I think Corey Liguit is probably the better player.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2019, 11:21:43 am

Big names not big production. 

I guess for the right price but where does he play?  We already have Hicks at one DE spot with Nichols, Robertson-Harris and Bullard.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 16, 2019, 11:35:48 am
Bullard is ripe for replacement.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2019, 02:28:15 pm

Ok, so you replace Bullard with a high dollar guy that projects to 4th best DE?  I agree Luguit if healthy (he played in 6 games last season) is an upgrade over  Bullard, who is gone after this year - so it comes down to the price for Liguit for one year vs that of Bullard.   

And hasn't Luguit been a 4-3 DT his entire career?  Maybe he can backup Goldman.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 16, 2019, 03:29:04 pm
Luguit is a 3-4 DE.  He would start at RDE and replace Bullard on the roster. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2019, 03:52:21 pm

Nope.  I'd start Robertson-Harris or Nichols over Liuget any day. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 16, 2019, 04:15:05 pm
I forgot about Nichols - he is going to be a beast.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 17, 2019, 05:23:17 am
Regular season schedule release tonight at 7pm CST.  Always a fun time of year!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 17, 2019, 07:30:40 am
Bears Raiders in England Oct 6th.  Ugh.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 17, 2019, 09:12:09 am

At least it counts as an away game for the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 17, 2019, 09:48:24 am
ANd it is noon CTD, so that is good for the fans.  I would expect Mack to have an outstanding game...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 17, 2019, 10:36:02 am
Harry Teinowitz (https://twitter.com/HeyTweetHarry?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) is a worth a follow just for today.  He tends to break schedule nuggets before the official release.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2019, 11:18:35 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/15/5-things-to-watch-as-bears-kickoff-offseason-program/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 17, 2019, 11:30:18 am
At least it counts as an away game for the Bears.

Way away!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2019, 12:00:51 pm
Yup, lol
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 17, 2019, 04:21:16 pm

Let me guess...all the warm weather and dome teams come to Chicago in September/October.  We never get Vikes or Lions in Chicago in December.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 17, 2019, 06:47:50 pm
At least this is a nice off season not wondering if Mike Tomczak/Shane Matthews/Jay Cutler is going to be better under the new OC.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 17, 2019, 07:03:28 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4ZMnN6XkAYqDBP.jpg:small)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 18, 2019, 10:31:26 am
I predict - 13 and 3.  3 tough and close loses. Trubisky makes his case for MVP
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 18, 2019, 11:09:27 am

I don't know what their record will be but if they can stay relatively healthy, and the offense can improve to around top half of the NFL, they will be a better team.  Of course that means defense has to maintain around top 5.

We're not going to have that stud receiver so Trubisky taking another step up is the key.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 18, 2019, 12:05:27 pm
Isnt A Robinson supposed to be our stud WR?  And Miller and Gabriel have the shorter super fast guys covered.  Trubisky taking a step is key, but I dont think we can blame WR talent for any problems.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 18, 2019, 12:16:18 pm
Allen Robinson will be two years removed from his knee injury (players say it takes two years to get healthy) and may be better athletically.
Anthony Miller has a year more experienced but an injury concern.  Wims should see more playing time and make some plays.

The offense was awfully inconsistent between Trubisky's growing pains and the offensive game plan failures.

Helfrich was new to the NFL and Nagy is green at game planning also.   An off season to ponder last years failures and successes can only result in improvement.
If they start the season with a running back who "fits the scheme" then I expect we'll see a more effective running game.

Defensively should be pretty much the same.  Roquan Smith should make a big leap with the off season program and training camp.
Dix is a wait and see he could be a strength or a weak link.   Nagy really likes Skrine.

Injuries are the only thing that can point the arrow down.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on April 18, 2019, 12:23:34 pm
Kicker,Kicker,Kicker. Pay through the nose, get a real good one.  Not a good one, a real good one. Watched the Bears @ the vikes and that prick missed a pat there I had forgot about. Get a good one.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 18, 2019, 01:18:32 pm

Don't get me wrong - I like our group of receivers with Robinson, Gabriel, Miller and Burton, but there really isn't that one stud that a lot of teams have.  You can win with these guys but you have to have really really good play from your QB.

Stud receivers BTW:  Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill,  Davante Adams, Antonio Brown, Keenan Allen, both the Vikings receivers are 1000 yard guys,  Smith-Schuster, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, Ty Hilton, and others. 

Maybe Trubisky can elevate Robinson into that class.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 18, 2019, 02:07:18 pm
Miller is going to be awesome....no shoulder problem this  year. What about Wims????? AND Coderralle Patterson is a speedster at WR. Isn't the guy the picked up Marvin Hall supposed to be a speedster as well?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 18, 2019, 03:34:58 pm

I love speed at WR...Bears notoriously through the years have had slow receivers with few exceptions such as:  Dick Gordon, Willie Gault, James Scott, maybe Curtis Conway...and more recently Johnny Knox. 

Both Patterson and Hall have Taylor Gabriel speed with more size, especially Patterson.  Even though he doesn't possess their speed Wims could be more productive than both the guys. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on April 18, 2019, 04:26:57 pm
I love speed at WR...Bears notoriously through the years have had slow receivers with few exceptions such as:  Dick Gordon, Willie Gault, James Scott, maybe Curtis Conway...and more recently Johnny Knox.

It broke my heart when Knox went down for good.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 18, 2019, 04:54:00 pm
Wims is 6'4"....that's what you like about him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 19, 2019, 06:02:17 am
Allen Robinson will be two years removed from his knee injury (players say it takes two years to get healthy) and may be better athletically.
Anthony Miller has a year more experienced but an injury concern.  Wims should see more playing time and make some plays.

The offense was awfully inconsistent between Trubisky's growing pains and the offensive game plan failures.

Helfrich was new to the NFL and Nagy is green at game planning also.   An off season to ponder last years failures and successes can only result in improvement.

If they start the season with a running back who "fits the scheme" then I expect we'll see a more effective running game.

Defensively should be pretty much the same.  Roquan Smith should make a big leap with the off season program and training camp.
Dix is a wait and see he could be a strength or a weak link.   Nagy really likes Skrine.

Injuries are the only thing that can point the arrow down.

Winner.  As much as we ring our hands about the playoff loss, that was as much on Nagy as anyone.  Keep it close and don't let the offense lose it.  Until they have to play more aggressively, and then the offense magically starts moving the ball.  Two years in a row, a Nagy led offense went into a shell during playoffs and both times they are burned.  I hope this is a lesson the young coach is learning.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2019, 09:33:48 am
Interesting take on the upcoming season. Lots of time and stories to unfold yet

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/17/breaking-down-each-quarter-of-the-bears-2019-schedule/

Enjoy or argue
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 19, 2019, 10:41:50 am
Winner.  As much as we ring our hands about the playoff loss, that was as much on Nagy as anyone.  Keep it close and don't let the offense lose it.  Until they have to play more aggressively, and then the offense magically starts moving the ball.  Two years in a row, a Nagy led offense went into a shell during playoffs and both times they are burned.  I hope this is a lesson the young coach is learning.

I think Nagy got spooked when Mitch threw a couple of passes to Eagles DB's (which they dropped).

As often happened they stopped throwing downfield and went to Howard but the run was stuffed.

They went back to downfield passing and Mitch was much better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 20, 2019, 05:47:20 am
I haven't rewatched the game so this is a one game memory.  The one glaring drop was early on the receiver screen, which was a conservative call and the Eagles knew the Bears were relying on their defense.  Once the handcuffs came off, the offense started to move.

I need to rewatch.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2019, 11:38:08 am
This ought to make Dallas happy as well as me. Looks good except for the 7th round but that late beggars cant be choosers

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/17/chicago-bears-seven-round-2019-nfl-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 23, 2019, 03:07:57 pm
Robby Gould is not signing his tender and is requesting a trade....presumably to the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2019, 03:46:40 pm
Just saw that on ESPN thought is was old. While I agree we need a kicker. Gould is likely very pricy
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 23, 2019, 03:47:23 pm
Come home, Robbie...come home....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 23, 2019, 03:51:07 pm
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26586979/kicker-gould-ditches-talks-wants-49ers
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 23, 2019, 04:14:39 pm

The franchise tag for a kicker is $5M plus you'd have to give up a draft choice. 

This is going to get real interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 23, 2019, 04:44:21 pm
Does that mean the Bears would have to pay him $5M?  Or does that just apply to the team that franchised him?

If not, he may play for less to live with his wife and kids in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2019, 05:16:22 pm
Why would Gould come back to Chicago for peanuts? Money talks. Bears dont have 5M spare cash to invest in a kicker. Our cap space is needed for paying our to be FAs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 23, 2019, 05:34:35 pm
Why would Gould come back to Chicago for peanuts? Money talks. Bears dont have 5M spare cash to invest in a kicker. Our cap space is needed for paying our to be FAs.

What do you call "peanuts"   You have an interesting way of misreading posts.

Gould is set for life financially and wants to live in Chicago with his family.  He might play for the Bears for something less than the franchise tag number.  I don't know what that would be, maybe $3m.  It's certainly worth it for the Bears
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 23, 2019, 06:03:15 pm

Most likely if Gould signs, it would be for 2+ years and the cap hit would not be for  $5M in 2019, but I would think he would not sign for a whole lot less than that amount.  I think we still have some dead money on the books for Parkey this year, so we'll get some of it back next year.

Bears have about $17M in cap space, but some of that will be for 2nd contracts (i.e. Jackson).  And what will the 49ers want in exchange?  Our 7th?  Two 7ths?  Or one of our middle round picks?

As I said this could get interesting.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 23, 2019, 06:58:02 pm
Lynch said Gould is there kicker next year end of story.

I thought he might give an old veteran what he wants as teams often do but then we know how hard it is to find a replacement.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 24, 2019, 05:30:25 am
Lynch just wants the best compensation in return for Gould.  If the right pick is dangled, it will be, "We wish Robbie well, and appreciate all he did as a 49er ..."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 24, 2019, 08:25:24 am
That leak of SF flirting with Gostkowski apparently gave Gould an excuse to bring out his inner Jay Cutler.  Gould's trade demand broke minutes after Pace's presser ended.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2019, 08:33:19 am
This Gould obsession is crazy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 24, 2019, 11:35:26 am
I DO NOT want them paying $5 million. PLUS one of the reason they got rid of Gould was due him talking with the media too much and getting his nose in other peoples business - caused problems in the locker room. Also he was the players Union rep and the McCaskey/Halas's HATE the union. Plus he had a lot going outside football.

Teams want kickers to kick and then go away.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 24, 2019, 11:41:31 am

I don't give a %()+ who he talks to.  If he can replicate his last 2 seasons in Chicago he's worth a long term deal.

Last year he attempted 34 field goals.  He made 33 of them!   And the year before that...he attempted 41...made 39.  And the year before that with Giants he only played in 10 games and attempted 10 field goals.  Made all 10.

Whatever he has going outside of football - he needs to continue doing.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 24, 2019, 11:41:56 am
Since it's draft time.....need to honor our #1 pick from last year.

We have very  little talk here about maybe the best player on the team - Roquan Smith. He led the team in tackles DESPITE missing camp as a ROOKIE & playing very little in the opening game. I am guessing he has a monster year....you can't stop Mack, Smith, Hicks, Floyd. These guys make guys like Trevathan much better players.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on April 24, 2019, 11:53:22 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/robbie-gould-complains-about-turf-with-new-grass-on-way/

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on April 24, 2019, 11:55:21 am
In GTMO we carried a welcome mat around the golf course to have a good lie for every shot - because the terrain was so rocky
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on April 29, 2019, 10:08:53 am
Heard Nagy on the radio this morning. He wants backs that break outside the hashes and open up a defense - spread the D. Jordan Howard was strictly a between the tackles guy who did not have great hands (the hands were getting better, but not to Nagy's liking). Nagy must have guys who can catch the ball in full stride.

Nagy also said it's hard to judge runningbacks outside the hashes speed in college because the  college hash marks are so wide. Apparently the pro game is much better suited to Montgomery.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 29, 2019, 10:36:44 am

Bears had way too many zero or 1 yards runs this season.  Since the O-line doesn't appear to be changing we'll see if it was Howard or the O-line.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2019, 10:41:08 pm
Interesting Biggs mailbag. Gould-mania is everywhere.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-mailbag-stephen-denmark-david-montgomery-biggs-20190501-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2019, 09:41:22 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/bears-host-veteran-cb-kayvon-webster-for-a-visit/

interesting
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2019, 09:47:51 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/01/5-undrafted-free-agents-most-likely-to-make-bears-roster/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

That might be amazing
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2019, 10:04:45 am
Ya think?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/01/ryan-pace-wont-rule-out-keeping-more-than-6-receivers-on-the-bears-roster-in-2019/

And he left out Wims
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2019, 10:18:48 am
I think "A" is a bit overrated.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/29/nfl-draft-grades-bears-earn-a-from-nfl-com/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular

We have to see how this roster shakes out. Roster spots are won in training camp.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2019, 10:27:23 am
Wims is not a lock to make the team.  But its tough to envision a roster without him on it.  Right now I'd have him penciled in for that 4th WR spot that was assigned to Bellamy last year.

As for the roster, there's some flexibility with the offensive skill positions:  WR, TE, HB, and FB.  Having only 2 QBs also helps.

i think the Bears will keep 7 wideouts unless the rookie Whyte beats out Cordarrelle Patterson for the KR job.  If not Whyte can be placed on the practice squad or come up with a season ending injury and stashed on IR.

The last WR spot could probably go to one of the Halls.  Marvin Hall has 2 years of experience and 12 career receptions.  The undrafted rookie Emmanuel Hall was passed over by every team in 7 rounds.  So let's not overvalue these 2 guys.

And of course there's injuries so its good to have an abundance of talent.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 02, 2019, 12:10:54 pm
I think Wims is big time talent. No way he doesn't make it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2019, 01:50:15 pm
Training camp will determine all the variables and how they turn out, including injuries. At least we have options.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 02, 2019, 03:36:12 pm
Training camp will determine all the variables and how they turn out, including injuries. At least we have options.

Are you suggesting that our opinions aren't factored into the personnel decisions?

I know many Bear fans are excited about Montgomery and Ridley, in fact many draft graders are giving the Bears high marks for those 2 choices.  But I'm just as excited about seeing what the 2 speedy guys drafted in the 7th round can do.  I could see both of these guys making the final roster as special teamers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2019, 04:56:59 pm
Are you suggesting that our opinions aren't factored into the personnel decisions?

Well Duh! Since when do the fans have a say so on personnel decisions? Good grief!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2019, 10:49:06 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/03/bears-roster-for-rookie-minicamp-includes-8-kickers/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos3headline

Wow Yoon too?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2019, 10:59:41 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kickers-matt-nagy-rookie-camp-20190503-story.html

What a mess.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2019, 11:42:18 am
84 man roster for minicamp for a 12/4 team? Sounds serious.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-rookie-minicamp-duke-shelley-david-montgomery-20190503-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 04, 2019, 11:57:17 am
That's funny - at the end of day one - he had all the kickers line up and attempt a field goals from FORTY THREE yards out. he wanted to see which ones could handle the pressure. Only 2 out 8 make it.

Blewitt  Blew it.

That's genius on Nagy's part.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2019, 07:54:59 pm
The last day topped the first:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kickers-rookie-minicamp-day-3-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on May 06, 2019, 08:22:23 am
I'm starting to think that the reason the Bears are not signing Matt Bryant is because they are waiting on what SF will do while going through the motion with this ridiculous clown show.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2019, 09:59:34 am
I am unsure about this Wims talk but:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/04/which-bears-players-were-winners-and-losers-following-the-2019-nfl-draft/

I believe Wims will have to show a lot of improvement to make the roster and the Bears will likely have to keep 7 WRs on the 53 man roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 06, 2019, 10:29:06 am

7 WRs is do-able.  7 WRs and 4 HBs is a bit tougher.   And keeping 4 TEs on top of that may mean only keep 8 offensive lineman.  Figured 25 guys on offense and defense and 3 STers.

A good problem to have, plus you have some flexibility for injuries (real or otherwise).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 06, 2019, 12:21:37 pm
Doesn't look like the Bears found any kicker to be better than the rest yet in mini camp.

Cole Tracy LSu was top rated by many analysts and got out of Green Bay unsigned.

Will the Bears try him out?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on May 06, 2019, 01:48:35 pm
7 WRs is do-able.  7 WRs and 4 HBs is a bit tougher.   And keeping 4 TEs on top of that may mean only keep 8 offensive lineman.  Figured 25 guys on offense and defense and 3 STers.

A good problem to have, plus you have some flexibility for injuries (real or otherwise).

The opening day 53-man roster last year broke down like this:

QB - 2
RB - 4
WR - 6
TE - 5
OL - 8
DL - 5
LB - 10
DB - 10
Specialists - 3
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 06, 2019, 02:11:08 pm
I don't see the need for 5 TE this year.

Aren't Brown and Brauneker gone?  There is Burton and Shaheen with Dax Raymond UDFA    who else?  No blocking TE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on May 06, 2019, 02:26:54 pm
Braunecker is still on the roster.  Brown is gone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 06, 2019, 02:34:10 pm

And the 5th TE opening day was Sims.  And that was only because Shaheen was injured in preseason - but not season ending.  So the 4 could be Burton, Shaheen, Braunecker and Raymond.  Shaheen is probably the best blocker of the bunch.

If the Bears are OK with Coward, Larsen and Sowell as the only backups since no O-lineman was drafted.   But keep an eye on Alex Bars he might be the #9 guy or take somebody's job or if stashed on IR.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 07, 2019, 05:47:46 am
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2834949-raiders-rumors-bears-trade-conditional-7th-round-draft-pick-for-k-eddy-pineiro

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 07, 2019, 07:16:46 am
Very interesting on the trade for the kicker.  I thought they were going to go after Kaare Vedvik from the Ravens, who is supposed to be a stud and expendable.  The good news is if Pineiro isnt on the roster for 5 games we owe the Raiders nothing.  So no great loss there right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 07, 2019, 07:30:59 am
the kid has plenty of leg, if it is healed up.  Hope Gruden doesnt know something Pace doesnt.

https://youtu.be/GgogS1UFi9M
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2019, 10:51:59 am
We shall see. Time will tell.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/05/undrafted-wr-emanuel-hall-turned-down-20-plus-offers-to-play-for-bears/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2019, 10:52:19 am
Isn't Janikowski retiring?  So the Raiders must have somebody else on the roster that beat out this guy.

But as they say beggars can't be choosers.  And a 2021 conditional 7th rounder would be well worth it if he solves the kicking problem.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 07, 2019, 12:52:13 pm
Janikowski was with the Seahawks last year, and yes he is retiring now.  No clue who the Raiders kicker was last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on May 07, 2019, 01:03:40 pm
Queens drafted Carlson in the 5th round.  He blew the Packer game and promptly got cut.  Ever since Oakland picked him up, he hit 16/17 FG, 18/18 PAT.

I am glad the Bears did not draft a kicker.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 07, 2019, 02:07:27 pm
I don't know. I like the kicker from Oklahoma Austin Seibert. Browns took him in the 5th.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 07, 2019, 02:19:04 pm
Carlson was a stud at Auburn. We should have jumped on that as soon as he became available.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 08, 2019, 12:14:37 am
Kicker Eddy Pinerio, the guy the Bears traded for, was supposed to be the Raiders kicker last season before getting getting hurt with a groin injury. Could be a good one.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 08, 2019, 06:59:10 am
The question is why did the Raiders give up on him then???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2019, 07:36:07 am
repeat groin injuries?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2019, 09:16:14 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/07/bears-k-eddy-pineiro-has-the-leg-and-mental-edge-to-succeed/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Not  doubting he has the leg for it, just the groin. Hopefully he has healed up and strengthened up the muscle where it wont become an issue this year. Practicing indoors and kicking isnt like kicking outdoors at Soldiers Field
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on May 08, 2019, 09:38:12 am
 I just saw a video of Piniero making an 80 yard field goal at a 2017 Florida Gator's practice.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2019, 10:30:44 am
I heard of it. So why did the Raidahs part with him? Any ideas? Advanced knowledge? Medical data from his doctor?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 08, 2019, 10:41:01 am
Happy with his replacement who now has a year of NFL experience? 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2019, 11:35:37 am
Did he have a whole year? Or did he start the season then went caput and on IR? I think its the latter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 08, 2019, 11:49:38 am
His replacement was Daniel Carlson. The Raiders like Carlson. Carlson made 16 of 17 field goals and all extra points. Long of 50 yards. (VJ noted this)

Carlson was drafted by the Queens (noted before here by I Dave23) in the 5th round in 2018. He played 2 games with the Queens and was 1 for 4 on kicks before getting cut. Raiders picked him up.

Piniero could be a good pick up. unknown quantuty.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 08, 2019, 12:29:56 pm
I read somewhere that Paniero only kicked in the preseason last year, but the Raiders were planning on him being their kicker. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 08, 2019, 12:50:08 pm
Raiders are more than happy with Carlson. That's why Piniero was expendable.

Dude has a leg...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 08, 2019, 05:18:15 pm
Good. I would take a chance on him. As long as he goes to Soldier Field and practices A LOT under all different kinds of conditions.

It's easy to kick in Florida.

In 2017 in College Piniero made 17 of 18 field goals.
In 2016 21 of 24.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 08, 2019, 05:21:54 pm
It's summer.  The bad weather is gone in Chicago until November
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 08, 2019, 05:31:04 pm

Bears signed backup ILB/STer Kevin Pierre-Louis - Nagy knows about him from his KC days.

Some competition for  Kwiatkoski and Iggy.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on May 08, 2019, 07:55:49 pm
Bears signed backup ILB/STer Kevin Pierre-Louis - Nagy knows about him from his KC days.

Some competition for  Kwiatkoski and Iggy.



Bears roster currently stands at 90.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 08, 2019, 08:06:12 pm
Is there a limit on the number of players you can have in training camp?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 08, 2019, 08:26:12 pm
It's summer.  The bad weather is gone in Chicago until November
The wind is never gone, though...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on May 08, 2019, 09:06:00 pm
Is there a limit on the number of players you can have in training camp?

I believe 90 is it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 09, 2019, 09:16:11 am
interesting read:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/one-thing-to-like-about-every-bears-2019-nfl-draft-pick/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 10, 2019, 12:06:29 pm
This is funny. And a troika too.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-kickers-robbie-gould-eddy-pineiro-elliott-fry-chris-blewitt-20190507-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2019, 02:35:32 pm
This has my blood boiling.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/10/bears-disrespected-in-cbs-sports-post-draft-power-rankings/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

The Pack ahead of the Bears? NO way.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 13, 2019, 10:20:40 am
That pol is funny and written by Woman - who is clueless. Peckers have TWO losing seasons in a row - these writers some how forget that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 14, 2019, 01:42:14 pm
I'll believe this when I hear it from Nagy or Pace, but this says the Bears are looking to switch Daniels and Whitehair.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/13/james-daniels-graduation-iowa-hawkeyes-chicago-bears-jersey/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I am not sold on that idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 14, 2019, 03:23:44 pm

James Daniels played center in college.  Bears may have figured the center position in the pros and all its required calls may have been too much for him to pickup in the short amount of time between the draft and the start of the season (he was still 20 when the season started).

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 15, 2019, 01:12:01 am
There have been several articles about it.   Trubisky says it is happening.  They feel James is a better center then guard and Whitehair is a better guard then center.  If true it should improve the line.  It also means we have two really good centers.  Whitehair went tot he probowl at center.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2019, 07:06:28 am
 and Whitehair is a better guard then center

I tend to disagree with that. He has played some OG for the Bears and he was horrible. Sorry
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 15, 2019, 09:23:39 am
I accept your apology.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2019, 09:42:24 am
Haha, I didnt. Facts speak. Whitehair isnt a good guard choice, that is if you want or desire a good Oline. I think Daniels did a very good job at LG and against a top speed rusher with the Rams.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 15, 2019, 03:32:30 pm
I was just being smarmy, you said you were sorry... so I accepted.

I don't think that Whitehair did a poor job at guard.  His rookie season, he played almost exclusively there and did well.  The following year, they never let him settle into a position bouncing from guard to center to guard.  Last year, he was able to settle into one position.

I tend to let the coaches make these decisions and trust their judgment, so whatever shakes out, we have to trust that they know what's best.  Nagy has earned that in my opinion. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 15, 2019, 05:47:42 pm
Well the team always said Whitehair's best position at guard.  He was moved to center sort of as an emergency when Grasu got hurt late in training camp IIRC.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2019, 04:49:52 pm
Well the man in the moon must eat green cheese:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/18/bears-given-10-chance-to-win-super-bowl-in-the-next-3-years/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I dont buy this either
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 19, 2019, 05:18:04 pm
Who writes that stuff?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2019, 06:23:13 pm
Morons I think. Similar to the fake news we are subjected to.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 20, 2019, 07:04:26 am
Keep the disrespect coming.  Add some fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2019, 09:21:34 am

Packers signed a couple FA pass rushers, and added a bunch of draft choices.  Both games against the Packers were close.

And oh yeah, Aaron Rodgers doesn't look like he's slowing down.  25 TDs/2 picks in 2018.

NFL rankings in May?  I wouldn't get too worked up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2019, 10:05:11 am
Disrespect is fuel for motivation. Go Bears
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 20, 2019, 01:37:18 pm
Top 100 Bears of all time 100-76 for the 100th anniversary.

Only disagreement so far is Donnell Wolford so far. 

I think he was probably the Bears best corner the last 50 years.  Possibly Leslie Frazier could argue.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2019, 02:54:14 pm

Is Wally Chambers on the list?

He dominated games - it just so happened he played on some pretty bad teams.  But if you're an old Bears fan you know what I'm talking about. 

He was one of my all time favorite Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 20, 2019, 04:25:58 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/top-100-bears-of-all-time-100-76?fbclid=IwAR2dKkBCO5fmpwVwz4M68ij-XePOaU9KYXZTdSSBxYHqwAfdUaomJUhtyso#7af77094-1ce2-4b66-a141-e9248d7932b8

Dallas, only last 25 so far posted.

Yes, Wally Chambers was a great one who never got his due.  Also the other tackle was jim Osborne who was a very good under appreciated player.

another from that era who were great early but had to retire from injury after just a few years:  Dennis Lick
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2019, 05:11:10 pm

Lots of old time Bears that even I never saw play.  Bunch of receivers in this group:  Marshall, Gault, McKinnon, and Jeffery.  Not too many that I can think of that were better than those guys.

Alan Ellis was also a good corner - Bears through the years really didn't have many good corners:  Ellis, Frazier, Woolford.  Not many  more on that list besides Tillman.

As for Lick, he opened a lot of lanes for Walter.  I think he left about the same time Van Horne was drafted and missed out when the Bears turned the corner in the early 80s.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 20, 2019, 07:43:43 pm
SO....where's JJ??  His self-imposed one year hiatus should be over, ehh??
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on May 20, 2019, 07:47:23 pm
Best bear QB ever?


Sid Luckman, who also played safety.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 21, 2019, 07:25:39 am
Hell, Walter was a better QB than most of those the Bears had in the modern era (and he could kick FGs too !)  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 21, 2019, 10:37:31 am
If you're talking lineman Jimbo Coverto was the best ever. Hall of Fame. And Hilgenber, Borty, Thayer. Keith Van Horn wwasn't that bad either.

Loves Wally Chambers but he was hurt very quick  - Jim Osbourne was extremely under rated. Tommie Harris was awesome, but also was hurt quickly.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on May 21, 2019, 12:33:06 pm
Wait until Jay Cutler is in the top 10.  That is going to **** off a lot of people.  Hell I would just do it so whoever is doing the top 100 gets free pub out of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on May 21, 2019, 12:33:37 pm
And JJ's self imposed ban was up in April.  I will send him a snail mail and ask what's up.

Hell he probably lost the links and all his log ins and passwords to everything internet.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 21, 2019, 01:35:08 pm
Or he is just overwhelmed getting back into porrn.  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 21, 2019, 01:43:29 pm

I thought Cutler was in the last batch of Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 21, 2019, 04:17:49 pm
I think so.

The next 25 list is available
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on May 22, 2019, 05:52:22 am
Damn.  I should have looked at the list first.  They screwed that up.  Unless they put McNown in the top 10 for pub.  Or maybe Rick Mirer...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2019, 07:54:51 am
While oldtimers can be memorable, I'm more tuned in to this years team.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/5/21/18634583/trubisky-bears-take-first-step-toward-giant-leap
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2019, 08:02:02 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/5/16/18627843/nfl-divison-odds-2019-bears-packers-vikings
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2019, 08:36:57 am
OTA time:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-spt-bears-mitch-trubisky-david-montgomery-20190509-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on May 22, 2019, 06:34:37 pm
Is Wally Chambers on the list?

He dominated games - it just so happened he played on some pretty bad teams.  But if you're an old Bears fan you know what I'm talking about. 

He was one of my all time favorite Bears.

Wally Chambers was an incredible player.  However, even his team mates felt he just took too many plays off, and occasionally even took entire games off.  When motivated, he was not only the best player on a mediocre team, but one of the best players in the entire league.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2019, 09:33:40 pm

Never heard that said about him and never noticed that in his play.  Of course I was a kid when he came into the league.    In his 4 healthy years in Chicago he was voted to probowl 3 times and named all-pro once.   Fans said that about Julius Peppers taking plays off and he's going to the HOF.

Anyway, Chambers made the list at #58 ahead of Peppers and Khalil Mack.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 23, 2019, 05:34:36 am
You can the list here in 3 separate slide decks, 25-1 still to come.

https://www.chicagobears.com/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2019, 09:19:19 am
This is an interesting tidbit out of the OTA:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/22/bradley-sowell-and-taquan-mizzell-change-positions-at-bears-otas/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I think that strengthens the TE position. IMHO I dont see Mizell making the WR group better/stronger.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 23, 2019, 09:20:33 am
No but it makes the RB position group easier....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2019, 09:25:17 am
Yup. Like that. The rooks make the roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2019, 02:01:13 pm

As for Mizell, WR  position is already over crowded.  Chances were actually better for him at running back - but realistically there would have to be some injuries for him to make the team.

I think Mizell's best chance to make the team would be at CB.

Sowell's move may mean the team is more confident in Coward.  Sowell will probably be competing for the 4th string/blocking only TE spot with the FA TE the Bears recently signed.  Braunacker is probably #3.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2019, 05:02:40 pm
Sowell was the swing tackle. If an emergency happened you could just re-plug him in at Oline.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 23, 2019, 05:26:16 pm

Doubtful.  He needs to practice as a TE - may have to lose weight and do more speed work.  Coward is the swing tackle now.  Although they may not dress Coward on game day and figure they could plug Soward in an emergency to finish a game out as you say.  But you need a real tackle to be your team's swing tackle.

For a team coming off a 12-4 season there are a lot of roster spots (non-starter) up for grabs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2019, 11:24:11 am
This is what the Bears offense needs.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/22/matt-nagy-encouraged-by-mitch-trubiskys-continued-progress/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2019, 02:47:30 pm

Listen to these yahoos whine about the Bears over rated players:  Kyle Long and Leonard Floyd:

https://art19.com/shows/5d26d524-d0c5-4740-a395-2ac962861060/embed?playlist_type=playlist#

Case for their claims:  both first rounders, both have had their productivity hindered by injuries - hence they're over rated.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 24, 2019, 06:07:36 pm
Listen to these yahoos whine about the Bears over rated players:  Kyle Long and Leonard Floyd:

https://art19.com/shows/5d26d524-d0c5-4740-a395-2ac962861060/embed?playlist_type=playlist#

Case for their claims:  both first rounders, both have had their productivity hindered by injuries - hence they're over rated.

The OL play is markedly better when Long is playing.

Many times the announcers, not local homer announcers, see this and show replays to demonstrate it for the fans.  If you don't see this when they spell it out for you on film it's on you.  Poor analysis.

AS for Floyd, I've stated many times his lack of ability to beat an OT in the pass rush often enough downgrades him.
However he is all over the field disrupting plays with his speed and quickness.  Of course, since it's not a statistic these guys can only form an opinion on what they read.

I'm no football coach, but I watch the games closely, pay attention to who's getting beat and who's winning their one on one battles (which isn't that hard since they replay most plays) and notice when the announcing team points out stuff with crayons, basically, so even I can understand it and remember it.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2019, 11:10:42 am
Well the cat is out of the bag. Bears Wire has the top 25 list.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/24/walter-payton-named-greatest-bears-player-of-all-time/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Not that its shocking that Mack is at 60, its just he hasnt had more than a year to contribute yet. If say we won the Superbowl this year and Mack had a super season and game he would rise mightily on that list. It is just his production numbers as a Bear arent high enough, not that they wont. That he is already up to 60 based on what he did in ONE season is testament to what the rise would be if he has a super season this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 26, 2019, 06:47:13 am
There were a few guys in the black and white photos that looked in their 40's, lol.

If you want to read a good history on the Chicago Bears, go check out Papa Bear by Jeff Davis.  Probably the last book I read willingly, it goes back to the history and start up of the Bears.  I actually went and visited the old address of the Bears offices on Michigan Avenue (no trace of it) and found out a former Bear living in my hometown at the time, Ken Kavanaugh.  I almost got the nerve up to go visit him.  He passed away a few years ago, I should have done it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 27, 2019, 12:26:54 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/27/bears-see-leonard-floyd-as-a-rare-athlete-for-a-pass-rusher/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 27, 2019, 12:51:17 pm
While I understand what was said, Floyd hasnt been able to get to the QB often enough. Most of that problem is strength.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 27, 2019, 06:46:18 pm
According to the article he spent the other off seasons rehabbing.  This off season he spent working out and getting stronger.  Let's see if it translates to more sacks or not.

We have seen plenty of off season hype before that never showed up on the field so definitely taking a wait and see approach.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 27, 2019, 09:23:23 pm
Yup. Been waiting how many years for production?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 28, 2019, 09:43:03 am

Floyd's ONLY issue has been staying healthy.  He had 7.5 sacks his rookie year but only played in 12 games.  His second year he played in only 10 games and recorded 4.5 sacks.  Last year he played in 16 games but a good portion of that was with a club on his hand - 4 sacks all recorded in the 2nd half of the season.   And he added a sack in the playoff game against the Eagles.

He's just had these freak unrelated injuries - including a concussion and a broken hand.

He's due for a breakout season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 28, 2019, 11:31:25 am
I just hope he gets a little bigger and little stronger.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 28, 2019, 02:25:36 pm

Pass rushing isn't all about size and strength.  Sure it helps to be stronger but quickness and explosion are just as important if not more important skills.  Improving strength is easier than improving quickness/explosion.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on May 28, 2019, 03:27:42 pm
Yes, but he needs it. He could be Mack with more strength. I believe if he gets stronger he will stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 28, 2019, 03:58:21 pm

Yes, if he was stronger he wouldn't have had that concussion or broken hand.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 29, 2019, 07:50:25 am
I agree that he needs to get stronger. With his body type its hard to put weight on and keep it on.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on May 29, 2019, 08:04:38 am
 I'd tell Floyd to just be patient. Once he hits 30 or so he shouldn't have any trouble putting on weight.  :(
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 29, 2019, 09:35:54 am

Aaron Donald plays defensive tackle - he weighs 280.  Should he put on weight too?  How about Von Miller - he's 250.

This reminds of Logic and his 220 lb half backs...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 29, 2019, 09:55:27 am
 ::) ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 29, 2019, 09:57:04 am
Interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/27/what-role-will-brad-childress-play-on-bears-offensive-staff/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 30, 2019, 12:56:09 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/29/khalil-mack-wants-to-be-the-best-ever/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 30, 2019, 12:15:16 pm
Some good questions in there:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-spt-bears-mailbag-running-backs-riley-ridley-anthony-miller-20190530-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 30, 2019, 01:53:55 pm
Guess I've reached my limit...and wouldn't pay for the Trib for anything...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 30, 2019, 02:02:12 pm
I havent visited the Trib site in months, and already am at my limit????  Um, yeah, right.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on May 30, 2019, 02:35:03 pm

The Trib uses cookies on your browser to limit you to 5 unpaid views per month.  Simply clear out your browser's cookies and you are back to 0.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 30, 2019, 04:29:09 pm
Somehow I dont have that much of a problem with it
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 30, 2019, 06:16:34 pm
Somehow I dont have that much of a problem with it

That's because your Radio Shack computer doesn't keep cookies.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 30, 2019, 11:12:46 pm
Didnt know Radio Shack sold HP. Thanks for the info
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 31, 2019, 09:19:51 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/30/james-daniels-is-embracing-his-move-to-center/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 31, 2019, 11:50:19 am
The Bears have added an offensive lineman with starting experience to the roster.

The team announced the signing of T.J. Clemmings on Friday. Offensive lineman Tommy Doles was waived in a corresponding move.

Clemmings was a 2015 fourth-round pick by the Vikings and started all 16 games at right tackle during his rookie season after Phil Loadholt tore his Achilles. He moved to the left side and started 14 games in place of an injured Matt Kalil the next season, but failed to make the team in 2017.

Clemmings spent that year with Washington and appeared in four games for the Raiders last year before landing on injured reserve with a knee injury.

The Bears had Bradley Sowell as a swing tackle behind Charles Leno and Bobby Massie last season, but they’re using him at tight end during offseason work. Rashaad Coward and Cornelius Lucas are other backup tackle options.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 01, 2019, 05:25:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXyJ4DQH48
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 02, 2019, 03:24:46 pm
A lot of people seem to have confidence in the Bears:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/01/bears-are-the-most-popular-bet-to-win-the-super-bowl/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1image
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2019, 09:27:11 am
Riley Ridley impressing in OTA's. Appears to be challenging for an impressive roster spot.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/02/riley-ridley-impressing-with-route-running-and-speed-in-otas/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on June 04, 2019, 03:51:59 pm
What is an impressive roster spot?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2019, 04:21:25 pm
Well I just think its impressive what he is accomplishing in the OTA's. It seems impressive considering the rest of the talent at the WR position. Maybe you will think similarly after reading it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 04, 2019, 06:01:20 pm

An impressive roster spot means he's not just making the team he's dressing on Sunday and gets into the game.  WR and QB are probably the only 2 positions where you can get a good evaluation of talent in non-contact OTAs.

4.58 40 wide outs rarely get drafted in the first 2 rounds.  But if playing wide receiver was all about running from point A to point B in a straight line Usain Bolt would be in the NFL.   Not discounting speed - it's critical but a guy like Ridley, with 10" mitts and the ability to make precise cuts, could have a long NFL career. 

In 2 years the Bears have gone from a WR depth chart with a bunch of #4s to a depth chart with a bunch of #2s.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2019, 10:44:57 pm
It certainly looks like Ridley has a great chance to be dressed on Sundays and be productive
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 05, 2019, 05:16:28 am
Don't sleep on Miller and Wims.  I am interested to see what a healthy Miller will mean to the offense, and Wims only lacks the higher draft slot.  Wims was the go to guy when he and Ridley were on the same Bulldog team, so interested to see how that translates in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 05, 2019, 09:10:29 am

The problem with this group of wideouts is that there is only ONE ball.  Robinson is the best bet to have a big year, but the goal is to win, not to generate gawdy stats.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 05, 2019, 09:25:39 am
Last year Robinson was one year removed from his knee injury.

Players say it takes two years to fully recover so we could see a better Robinson this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on June 05, 2019, 09:33:31 am
It will be interesting to see how this offense performs with everyone healthy and Mitch in his second year of this offense. I don’t marine Robinson, Gabriel, Miller and Cohen kept defensive coordinators up at night last year. You add more weapons and a hopefully more mature QB and it could be special if we have reasonable health.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2019, 09:40:06 am
https://clutchpoints.com/why-trey-burton-will-be-the-main-x-factor-for-the-bears-in-2019/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2019, 10:15:54 am
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/where-are-they-now-bears-2017-wide-receiver-room-struggles-stay-nfl-current-unit-looks-deep
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on June 06, 2019, 11:30:31 am
I really hope the Bears post a lot of those Bears100 Celebration panels this weekend...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 06, 2019, 12:54:54 pm
So it turns out Burton had a sports hernia as well as the pulled hamstring the team made public.

He had surgery 2 months ago and should be ready for TC.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 06, 2019, 02:07:19 pm

And I thought he had a serious anxiety condition that prevented him from playing in the playoff game.  I guess we should keep him, huh?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 06, 2019, 02:52:25 pm
And I thought he had a serious anxiety condition that prevented him from playing in the playoff game.  I guess we should keep him, huh?

I have no idea about him.  His response to questions was so strange after the playoff game.

It's also strange why this was kept from the public, unless the doctors missed it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 08, 2019, 12:15:13 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/07/bears-unveil-a-new-classic-jersey-inspired-by-1936-uniform/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 08, 2019, 09:08:04 am
Fan response:

Pretty nice especially considering most of the uniforms from that ere were better suited as clown costumes.

I dont like the helmet either.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 08, 2019, 01:28:33 pm
I really don't understand the point of the throwbacks.

I'm all for honoring the past, but seriously, who appreciates uniforms from the 1930's.

It's a wast of money for something I think the fans don't care about.

Give the money to charity instead.

I they really have to do throwback, go back as fa as the 1950's, 60's when there are still fans who remember.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 08, 2019, 04:07:09 pm
They do it to sell jerseys and it works.  No other reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 08, 2019, 04:24:51 pm

Bingo.

Along with the pro-bowl game and the preseason.

Goodell is now talking about shorting the preseason to 2 games and making the season 18 games.   4 PS games is too much but so is 18 regular season games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on June 08, 2019, 04:50:42 pm
I would much rather have a shorter preseason and a longer regular season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 09, 2019, 07:05:58 am
I personally think extending the season would be good idea IF they implemented a longer calendar year.  The idea would be to give more time off between games.  Every player says this is key.  I would have multiple bye weeks for each team during season.

This would also help the NFL in future with potential world expansion.  It's a lot of travel to go far distances overseas.  The bye weeks would allow for the players to adjust.  The future of league is in world expansion.

This is not your grandfathers football league.  Most all players work out and are in top physical condition year round.  There is very little down time between OTA's, Summer camp, etc.  With longer season, no OTA's needed.  A longer season would not require the coaches or players to work more, just would allow the work they put in to mean more. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on June 10, 2019, 05:56:59 am
I don’t know. I feel like they need a couple of pre-season games for the vets to get in a groove and they need a couple to actually evaluate the lower tier rookies. 16 games is plenty.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 10, 2019, 09:14:42 am
I would agree, I think 16 games is plenty, and two preseason games is enough.  Yes, it is a cut in revenue for the league, but ultimately I want to see the team crowned because of performance and not endurance.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 10, 2019, 09:15:29 am
Totally agree.  Sports seasons are too long.   Baseball season - too long.  They're playing hockey and basketball well into June now - so that amounts to what? 3 month offseason?

Football is heading in that direction.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 10, 2019, 09:18:43 am

I think the league is concerned that the preseason game is quickly becoming a bad product.  Remember game 3 (or maybe virtual game 3) last year, Bears against Chiefs.  Nagy didn't play any of his starters for the typical half or into the 3rd quarter like Bears teams have in the past.  And correct me if I'm wrong I don't think the starters played at all.

Risk of injury is just too great.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 10, 2019, 11:05:51 am
I think the league is concerned that the preseason game is quickly becoming a bad product.

NO, what I think is that the League believes is there is a dollar they are missing out on, by giving big bucks away with  preseason games when they could be getting big bucks for 2 more regular season games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 10, 2019, 11:27:12 am

And why are they switching the mix of preseason vs regular season? Because preseason games are a bad product, which of course means they aren't making enough $$$$$.

In the olden days there used to be 6 preseason games and 14 regular season games.  Now its 4 and 16 and in it sounds like 2 and 18 is next.   
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on June 12, 2019, 08:30:40 am
Chris Blewitt waived.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 12, 2019, 09:12:39 am

He had his chance but he just...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on June 12, 2019, 09:23:44 am
I'll feel better if they sign Bryant, dome career, age and all.  Or have Mack recruit his old friend SeaBass assuming he didn't file his papers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 12, 2019, 10:26:03 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-spt-bears-kickers-matt-nagy-misses-20190611-story.html

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 12, 2019, 12:05:58 pm
I laughed so hard. But that tragedy is just 12 weeks away. Somebody should be sweating bullets.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 12, 2019, 12:28:00 pm
What would Ditka do?

Bring in their Mom or sister and make them scout team tackling dummies for every missed kick?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 12, 2019, 01:17:03 pm

I would think the pressure of being unemployed would be enough incentive to try to do well.  Either that or the reward of a multi-year deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 14, 2019, 12:06:06 pm
Agreed:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/13/leonard-floyd-dubbed-bears-player-on-the-hot-seat-in-2019/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

He has to produce.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on June 14, 2019, 12:23:04 pm
and stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 14, 2019, 02:27:07 pm

Another ignorant Bryan Perez article:

It’s shocking, to be honest, that Floyd managed just four sacks last season with Mack lining up opposite him along the same defensive front. If he’s the kind of pass rusher his scouting report projected he’d be, he should’ve fallen into twice as many sacks with one hand tied behind his back.

Floyd literally was playing the first half of the season with a hand tied behind his back.  But Perez thinks that sacks against NFL offensive lineman are so easy that one handed OLBs should be racking them up with ease.

Here's the stats:  first 8 games 0 sacks - last 9 games (including playoff game) - 5 sacks
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 14, 2019, 05:26:56 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtF63MBYcCk
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 14, 2019, 06:41:09 pm

Has everything you want...vision, power, burst, patience, except elite speed
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 14, 2019, 07:43:12 pm
He has quicks just not that top end speed to pull away from the pack.  If he did he would have been a first round pick though.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on June 14, 2019, 09:06:50 pm
He doesn’t have tip end speed but he gets into high gear fast. I noticed in the highlights  he tends to run east-west on a lot of his big gains. It might be he doesn’t get those runs in the NFL as they are much faster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 14, 2019, 09:38:45 pm

A friend who watches a lot of Iowa State football told me his best attribute is he doesn't go down easy.  He ran a 4.53 40 at his pro day so he should be faster than 7 guys on the field.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 15, 2019, 06:15:27 am
He does go east west a lot.  Often when I watch, it seems like most running backs run where the play is designed.  As I watch I think, if they just made a cut and went where the play wasn't designed to go it looks like a big gainer.

The great ones have the ability to take a play where very few get the big play.  Vision, his ability to make the quick lateral cut, instincts.  Not putting Montgomery in the class of Barry Sanders or Walter Payton, but he has a blend of those attributes and like Payton, lacks the top gear.  Humble kid, not flashy, tough, instinctive.  The NFL tries to measure every trait, but there is still no measure for heart.

I am excited watching those replays that we have another weapon to make this offense dangerous. Time will tell if he becomes special.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 15, 2019, 09:54:03 am
from Bears Wire. It wouldnt let me post the link.

The Chicago Bears have the NFL’s best defense — a defense that ranked near or at the top of every category of significance a season ago. So the offense doesn’t need to be great — they just have to be good enough.

But try telling that to receiver Allen Robinson, who says the offense isn’t content with just being mediocre. They want to be the best in the league.

    #Bears WR Allen Robinson today after practice: "We're not out here to just manage the game or anything like that. We're trying to score points. We're trying to be the best offense in the NFL."

    — JJ Stankevitz (@JJStankevitz) June 13, 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2019, 07:13:21 am
This is good news:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-spt-bears-leonard-floyd-breakout-season-biggs-20190617-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2019, 10:12:20 am

There are a few things I'm concerned about with the Bears going into 2019.   Leonard Floyd isn't one of them.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 19, 2019, 09:39:24 am
This ought to eliminate one of your concerns:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/18/javon-wims-worked-with-starters-during-bears-offseason-practices/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Thats good news he is getting a chance to show what he can do. Opportunity knocks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 19, 2019, 12:42:27 pm

The WR position and Wims are not on my list of concerns either.

With Miller on the mend and with Josh Bellamy and Kevin White gone in free agency, Wims along with Robinson and Gabriel are the only wideouts familiar with the Nagy's system.

Free agent Patterson is new along with Marvin Hall.  And Ridley and Emmanuel Hall are rookies.

As I said before, too bad there is only one ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 19, 2019, 02:43:56 pm
Wims is getting brushed aside by many because he was a 7th round choice.  Had he gone in the 3rd round, which was his ceiling to be drafted, the buzz over Ridley would be much less.  He outperformed Ridley the year they played together. 

The next two years is going to show a lot of churn on this team as we resign Trubisky, and Eddie Jackson to long term deals... and watch out for Floyd.  That could make a lot of highly priced talent a bit more expendable to keep those key pieces in place.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 19, 2019, 02:52:25 pm
I recently watched the youtube replay of the 2nd Minnesota game.

Wims played a lot in the 2nd half and had 4 catches.  I thought he looked pretty impressive.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 19, 2019, 03:32:01 pm

Griz is correct.  Gabriel could be gone in 2020 where his dead cap number declines significantly.  And Robinson is only signed thru 2020.

Assuming they progress, I could see Wims starting in 2020 and Ridley in 2021.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 20, 2019, 05:51:16 am
I didn't want to say that about Robinson, but I could see Wims being that guy.  Now if Robinson and Trubisky develop a 15 TD year bond, then that bet is off the table.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 20, 2019, 09:12:36 am

And if Robinson does develop that 15 TD bond, Robinson will want to get paid.  He's still a young man, not yet 26 (with somehow 6 years experience) and he would be around 27 or 28 with some football left in him after his Bears deal expires.

Not a problem now or next year but  if or when Trubisky gets paid the Bears could be letting some good players walk.  Bears just haven't had that problem much in recent memory.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 20, 2019, 11:24:59 am
Can he kick?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 21, 2019, 10:17:35 am
Speaking of WRs this is good news:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/08/mike-furrey-breaks-down-bears-loaded-receivers-room/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos3headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 22, 2019, 12:47:17 am
Mike Davis vs the Cardinals.  He had some nice plays.  I really want to believe our offense is going to be the **** this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEVR_w6vwo
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 22, 2019, 01:37:32 pm
Pre-TC 53 man roster:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/20/predicting-the-bears-53-man-roster-pre-training-camp/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Most interesting is Nall, Hall. Not sure who isnt going to make it
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 24, 2019, 09:09:19 am
Wow!

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/23/bears-land-at-no-3-on-nfl-coms-list-of-most-talented-teams/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Thanks Ryan Pace.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 24, 2019, 09:15:33 am
Typically, a game or a season comes down to luck and twists of fate — an unlucky bounce of a ball here, a double-doink missed goal there.

They would have to bring that embarrassing thing up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 24, 2019, 09:52:30 am

Obviously the biggest play for the Bears was the missed field goal, but the catch and "fumble" by Miller was huge too.

But what many fail to mention is that the Bears scored one touchdown against the NFL's 23rd ranked defense.  The Bears offense will be on the spot this year to take a big step.   Trubisky will be the main key to the Bears' success - as they say it's all about the QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 25, 2019, 05:12:53 am
Or Nagy's fear of being aggressive on offense
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 25, 2019, 05:26:09 am
Bearhit - I couldn't agree more.  I hope the replaying of the game for the team is burning as huge a flame under Nagy and the offensive coaches, as it does the players.  Nagy played it to close to the vest, hoping the defense would make the game winning play, and lost that gammble. 

Why can you not post the proper spelling of the word gamnble?  Lol
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on June 25, 2019, 06:16:09 am
Because apparently that activity is offensive to some so the word is in the filter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 25, 2019, 08:21:42 am
Kept Pete out of the HOF...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 25, 2019, 09:18:34 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/24/chicago-bears-2019-training-camp-sleepers/

They are sleepers and you musnt go to sleep on them either.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on June 25, 2019, 09:40:11 am

Griz

I have the Philly game recorded but haven't re-watched it.  I did a quick review of the stats.  Nagy called 43 pass plays and 18 runs.  And 3 of those runs were by Trubisky.   Also, Burton was out and I think that helped the Eagles focus on Cohen and hold him to a total of 27 yards on 3 catches and 1 rush.

I remember Avonte Maddox was playing really tight coverage and almost came away with a pick in the first half.  Might have spooked Nagy a bit early on but Nagy used Maddox' aggressiveness against him in the 2nd half when Robinson had some huge catches.

As for the play calling, maybe Nagy called some more aggressive passes that weren't open or ones that Trubisky didn't choose to attempt.  Or you may be correct in that Nagy just didn't feel comfortable in opening up the offense with Trubisky until he was forced to later in the game.

With a one point loss you can find so many plays that might have turned things around.  How about Amos' late hit out of bounds on Philly's TD drive? 

I'm sure the Bears will be looking forward to the rematch this season in Philadelphia on November 3rd.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 25, 2019, 09:50:14 am
Or the Trubisky overthrow on the play before the kick?  He puts a little more air under it, and Miller runs under it for a score.  And the Trubisky statue is being dedicated...  ;D

I hurt too much after watching it, that I didn't want to watch it.  But I am ready now.  Nagy called a lot of sideline plays (as i recall), quick outs, etc.  Eagles were playing press coverage, and Nagy didn't adjust the game plan of "safe" passes until later in the game.  Like I said, I want to watch it again.  I noticed the NFL Network is replaying the playoff games, I am sure it will be on this week or next.  If anyone comes across it, please post it here.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on June 28, 2019, 06:44:06 am
you sure?

full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpW4e404yLI

condensed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1IHuZbX638
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 28, 2019, 04:39:14 pm
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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 30, 2019, 04:16:45 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/28/chuck-pagano-knows-all-eyes-are-on-him-to-keep-bears-defense-rolling/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 01, 2019, 11:51:45 am
Roquan Smith......we do not discuss him enough here. In my humble opinion he will be the best player on a defense with: Mack, Jackson, Fueller, Hicks, Floyd.

He will have a full camp.

And Floyd has added more strength and size...I believe he is up to 251 pounds from 235 - basically because is healthy this off season. New banner coming "Avoid Floyd"
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 01, 2019, 01:03:43 pm

I agree Smith doesn't get a lot of recognition.  Part of it could be that he plays a non-pass rushing role as an ILB in a 3-4 defense.  Which is a spot he shares with another pretty good player in Danny Trevathan.

I hate to rank players either on the same unit or from year's gone by.  But Smith is a pro-bowl caliber player no doubt.

As for Floyd, I think he was in the 235-245 range after college but he's probably been around 250 the last few years with the Bears.  Weight is over-rated with pass rushers.  Floyd just has to stay healthy, but if he has gotten stronger in the off season that should enhance his game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 01, 2019, 01:12:25 pm
Yes Smith and Mack having training camp will be a big difference.  Also Kyle Long not recovering from a surgery this offseason and fully working out instead should lower his chances of injury.

I look forward to seeing how Pagano will counter the Mack double and triple team blocking.  I think he'll be blitzing behind Mack and really giving OL a hard time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 01, 2019, 02:15:45 pm
You double and triple team Mack and someone like Hicks, Floyd, Lynch, Smith, Robertson-Harris, Bullard, Goldman will be open.

It might hard to even double Mack.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 03, 2019, 03:28:12 am
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/five-teams-entering-their-super-bowl-window/ar-AADK1KX?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 03, 2019, 05:02:33 am
Obviously the biggest play for the Bears was the missed field goal, but the catch and "fumble" by Miller was huge too.

But what many fail to mention is that the Bears scored one touchdown against the NFL's 23rd ranked defense.  The Bears offense will be on the spot this year to take a big step.   Trubisky will be the main key to the Bears' success - as they say it's all about the QB.

But, it was the offense that goth the team right back into scoring range at the end of the game.. Then Boink!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 03, 2019, 09:22:50 am

Bears defense holds the Eagles to 16 points - Bears never lost a regular season game in 2018 when opponent scored 20 or fewer.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 04, 2019, 06:54:42 am
I blame our lack of effective depth at TE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 05, 2019, 03:38:53 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/5-players-to-watch-on-offense-during-camp?fbclid=IwAR2l4PXvBnKg-DIyyZfw2Z9pXwNuOWLAZa0Hs9GvzS7erliCAzAQ7VP2zAU
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 05, 2019, 03:49:00 pm
You double and triple team Mack and someone like Hicks, Floyd, Lynch, Smith, Robertson-Harris, Bullard, Goldman will be open.

It might hard to even double Mack.

Opponents having to double team Dent and Hampton is what turned McMichiel from an average performer to a much above average one.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 05, 2019, 04:57:18 pm
I think there's got to be more strategy than to say someone else will naturally be unblocked or have an easier pass rush.

I think Pagano is more likely than Fangio to blitz a safety or nickel back behind Mack knowing there is no one left to block that blitz.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 05, 2019, 11:21:46 pm

It's not like Mack is double teamed every play.  Usually opponents double team one of the interior pass rushers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 05, 2019, 11:34:22 pm
Peters of the Eagles blocked him, the packers and Rsms couldn't.  It depends on the OT.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 06, 2019, 06:44:17 am
Mack's ankle injury sapped a lot of his ability.  Being able to play at 100%, you will se a much different player.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2019, 08:04:20 am
Numero uno pressing problem in training camp.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/which-kickers-could-be-available-bears-if-elliott-fry-eddy-pineiro-dont-pan-out
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 07, 2019, 06:41:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n04gbQBMZt0&t=430s

god analysis of the Bears defense under Fangio and how they handled the Rams
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 14, 2019, 01:44:14 pm
Great breakdown on Mitch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-d9SGrAdLg&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 14, 2019, 09:00:43 pm
He seemed to be saying he was thinking to much and when he didn't think but just reacted he played fine. 

I think a lot of that is a second year player learning a new system and playing with new receivers.

Trubisky should improve over last year.  If he will or not is the question.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 15, 2019, 01:33:21 am
Great breakdown on Mitch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-d9SGrAdLg&feature=youtu.be

Thanks yeah that Brett Kollman analysis is as good as it gets.  He really nails the issues.
He did the defense analysis i posted a few days ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 15, 2019, 08:42:57 am
If he can fix his mechanics, like his hips, his accuracy will improve.  I hope they are drilling that into his brain.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 15, 2019, 01:20:36 pm
What, another week till camp opens? Good grief!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 16, 2019, 05:03:53 am
That Mitch T. video as good as it gets.  That guy nailed Mitch.  I knew a lot of what he said was true...I just never knew why...but know I understand.  Wildly inconsistent for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 16, 2019, 06:58:50 am
It certainly explains his missed throws to open WRs, when he isnt touched.  He doesnt have the Mahommes arm to get away with poor mechanics.  He DOES have a good enough arm with good mechanics though. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 16, 2019, 07:24:36 am
Look, its not about what happens NOW, its what happens come September. Here it is July and you all have your undies in a bind. Good Grief!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 16, 2019, 09:28:04 am
This is what Bears Wire says....and you all arent going to like it.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/15/mitch-trubisky-is-one-of-the-worst-starting-qbs-in-madden-20/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 16, 2019, 10:23:52 am
I think it's safe to say our season hinges on what Trubisky does and how much he improves.

I think he makes a HUGE jump in year 2 under Nagy.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 16, 2019, 10:29:39 am
Funny how many players are whining about the Madden video game parameters
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 16, 2019, 11:19:34 am
I hope Mitch takes this as disrespectful and uses it as motivation to improve his game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 16, 2019, 07:13:48 pm
I dont know others feel here but I cant wait till camp opens. I want something REAL to talk about.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 16, 2019, 09:37:47 pm
get. a. fu cking. kicker. remember how the season ended?  call keven butler.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 17, 2019, 06:29:09 am
There is still that back up kicker on the Ravens, who is supposed to be so good, and they cant keep two.  Maybe Pace has his eye on that dude.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 17, 2019, 06:56:08 am
  Is Jan Stenerud still alive? :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 17, 2019, 10:11:22 am
Is Chester Marcol still drunk?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 17, 2019, 10:40:41 am
Who was the guy with half a foot?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 17, 2019, 11:27:36 am
Tom Dempsey
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2019, 11:58:49 am
You guys must be bored snotless. I posted Pace's options a while back and nobody commented. Good Grief! Boredom is hell.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 17, 2019, 12:18:13 pm
They should have the mascot do it - fans would love it
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 17, 2019, 12:19:36 pm
Or better yet - make Parkey do it all year - WEARING the mascot suit
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2019, 12:35:22 pm
That must be some good glue you are sniffing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 17, 2019, 12:37:32 pm
Have Ditka kick one with a cigar in his mouth against Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 17, 2019, 12:42:25 pm
WASP Killer is the new inhalant
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2019, 12:45:03 pm
Nah, that would embarrass the Hof-er Now had you said Blanda I might have gone along with it
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 17, 2019, 12:55:07 pm
Training camp opens next Thu.  Then we will have some serious stuff to talk about.  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 17, 2019, 01:47:04 pm
I had seen the date July 22
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2019, 01:49:50 pm
Just checked....it is the 25th. One day after Mueller testifies. Woo Hoo!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 17, 2019, 07:53:13 pm
Rookies start July 22 veterans July 25, public practice July 27.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 17, 2019, 09:30:13 pm
I remember who you are talking about.  I think he was the one that first hit a 60 yard field goal.  Don't remember his name.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 18, 2019, 05:21:20 am
I remember who you are talking about.  I think he was the one that first hit a 60 yard field goal.  Don't remember his name.

Tom Dempsey
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 18, 2019, 07:16:01 am
7 weeks until kickoff...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 18, 2019, 08:00:16 am
Nagy and his boys were 7th inning stretch singers yesterday at Wrigley
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 18, 2019, 09:33:36 am
Tom Dempsey

Thanks.  He was an interesting situation.  At the time, and I assume still now, there were all sorts of rules about what kind of shoe a kicker could wear.  They had to wear the same kind of shoe as everyone else, and could not make adjustments to it that would enhance their ability to kick.  (No steel toes.  No rubber toes, no flat toes, etc.).  However, since Dempsey required special shoes (flat, steel toed shoes as I remember), many claimed, rightly, that he had a special advantage over other kickers.  The NFL, rightly, in my opinion, gave him a special waiver to wear these shoes.  As it turned out, even with the square toed shoes, he didn't have enough of an advantage to rise to the top.

Under today's Federal Laws, I don't think the question would ever come up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 18, 2019, 07:16:02 pm
Well I scored tickets to the opener against the Pack in Chitown.  My son, buddy, buddies son and self will be there!!  Flying up from Florida for mini vacation and game.  Here's to hoping we redeem last years opener!  Go Bears!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 18, 2019, 10:35:32 pm
Personally I hope the Bears humiliate the Pack in the opener.
 
On paper we are twice as good as the Pack. Freshman coach and all.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 19, 2019, 01:18:26 am
I wish we weren't playing them week one.  I don't think they are that good but Rodgers having a new scheme you know nothing about is scary.  It will be very hard to game plan for them.  In a few weeks the NFL will catch up but drawing them game one sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 19, 2019, 07:02:34 am
Rogers on the other hand wont really know how our D is going to be either. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 19, 2019, 07:17:16 am
And the Pack wont know what new wrinkles Nagy has added to our offense either. And we have new players added. Lets not give the Pack credit where its not warranted. The biggest problem I see is gearing up after a vanilla preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 19, 2019, 01:18:42 pm
I am glad we're playing them week 1. We will knock Rodgers out for the season - no freaking way that old Peckers line can stop all of our pass rushers - what are they going to do? Triple team Mack? Old Erin will take a beating he so richly deserves.

Plus that Peckers coach has no business being a head coach - wasn't ready.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 20, 2019, 08:43:52 am
Nice piece on Bilal Nichols and the D:

https://youtu.be/HncgjK42AAI
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 20, 2019, 11:20:25 am
Bears defense holds the Eagles to 16 points - Bears never lost a regular season game in 2018 when opponent scored 20 or fewer.

Playoff games are different. Hard to compare play between regular season and playoffs
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 20, 2019, 11:27:25 am
Hopefully the first game we get to see Rogers being carried off on a stretcher..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 20, 2019, 11:33:09 am
I know the season will depend a lot on Trubisky's development. I'm hoping our D is better. Statistically the D was really good but at inopportune times they couldn't stop the opposing team. Hopefully Pagano will have some things up his sleeve.. We're due an '85 performance by a Bears D...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 22, 2019, 07:26:43 am
Oops:

New Bears safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix suffered a knee injury late in the offseason program. It’s bad enough to keep him from passing a physical at the start of training camp.

Bears G.M. Ryan Pace said Sunday that Clinton-Dix, a first-round pick of the Packers who was traded last year to Washington, is likely headed for the physically unable to perform list. Pace added the offensive lineman T.J. Clemmings and defensive lineman Jonathan Harris are also likely to start camp on PUP as well.

The good news for the Bears is that Pace said he anticiates that tight end Trey Burton will be ready to go from the outset of camp. Sports hernia surgery wiped out his ability to participate in the offseason program.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 22, 2019, 08:33:01 am
The good thing is the rookies and backups will get a lot of work in the secondary, improving their chances to make the roster.

Pace characterized Clinton-Dix’s injury on Sunday as minor and said the team is simply being careful before turning him loose for on-field activity. Still, Clinton-Dix’s availability will be worth keeping tabs on in the first few days of camp.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 22, 2019, 08:42:16 am
Its not worry time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 22, 2019, 08:47:13 am
This is good news:

Bears general manager Ryan Pace believes both receiver Anthony Miller and tight end Trey Burton will be healthy enough to practice when the Bears hit the fields in Bourbonnais on Friday for the start of training camp.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 22, 2019, 10:07:16 am
He just needs to be ready for the opener.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 22, 2019, 10:07:55 am
Whew:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/7/21/20703046/bears-trey-burton-anthony-miller-start-camp-healthy
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 22, 2019, 10:23:40 am
Again, the trick is they STAY healthy. And even play against their old nfl team. Kickers? we got kickers anywhere? I just watched
the xx superbowl, sober, and saw then rookie Kevin Butler score a hell of a lot of points. A Kicker please.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 22, 2019, 10:45:50 am
Deon Bush didn't do a bad job covering for Jackson.  Was he Eddie Jackson?  No.  Can he fill the hole for a few games.  Absolutely.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 22, 2019, 12:18:37 pm
Yep, if we do not have a real kicker with some balls.....then the season really doesn't matter. Pace has done a terrible job with kickers so far - he doesn't value them and it cost us.

Parker should have been replaced in the middle of the season - that guy is one big ****.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 23, 2019, 09:23:13 am
Doink City?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-bears-kicker-training-camp-20190722-3wedao42rfhi7jvqjyof2fstdm-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 23, 2019, 09:41:13 am
NO, I wouldnt do this. Its his backup who likely will be cut that the bears should make an offer to come late August.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/21/should-the-bears-trade-for-ravens-k-justin-tucker/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Crazy to even think about trading a 1st round pick for a kicker like that. That would be an unnecessarily desperate move. I have unquestionable confidence that Pace isnt that moronic.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 25, 2019, 12:34:19 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2019/07/insider-again-insists-new-chicago-bears-kicker-has-special-traits/?fbclid=IwAR0tJmkqd0j6hqRO830F_mI5N0GVvXJy5L4KV0Dl40sraIZ6aRxxaFTN_Ds
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2019, 05:29:01 pm
I agree Piniero has the leg and that right now he should be the favorite......BUt the Bears have several eyes watching other kickers around the NFL. Ones who may have a chance to get released from their current rosters and end up as either free agents or waiver wire options.. So this is what I have been saying. Its not do or die with the winner of training camp. One such player is the kid Baltimore has kicking against the veteran, which has been mentioned in previous articles posted. Piniero's accuracy in the preseason will likely be his make or break.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2019, 05:34:01 pm
If Piniero makes the Bears roster they owe Oakland a conditional pick next year. If he doesnt they owe Oakland nothing which also has to influence the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 26, 2019, 05:35:53 am
If they solve the kicker position with a 7th round choice, I think they will take that trade all day...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 26, 2019, 05:39:31 am
If Pineiro is on the active roster for at least five (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/roster-moves-bears-trade-for-kicker-pineiro) regular season games, then the Bears give up the conditional 2021 7th.  I am intrigued by the Baltimore kid though.  And there are other NFL teams besides the Bears with sh!tty kickers that might be willing to deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 26, 2019, 07:06:52 am
Agreed VJ
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 26, 2019, 09:51:49 am
Interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/24/chicago-bears-training-camp-8-players-on-the-roster-bubble/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 26, 2019, 10:19:54 am
My opinion:

Ryan Nall, RB              - 20% - gonna be tough with rookie Whyte and Patterson possibly getting RB reps - that makes 5 half backs
Marvin Hall, WR           - 35% - Bears are stacked with depth at WR - Hall has really nice speed but never did much at Atlanta in 2 years (12 career catches), but he was playing behind Julio Jones, Calivin Ridley, and Sanu so who knows?  Can return kicks which may help his cause
Taquan Mizzell, WR      -   1% - never liked this player - there would have to be half a dozen season ending injuries for him to make the roster
Jonathan Bullard, DE    - 75% - has not lived up to draft slot but he's steady and provides solid depth - and who is going to take his spot?  Bears didn't draft any lineman but brought in some FA types
Nick Williams, DE         - 15% - didn't make the roster this year and roster hasn't changed
Kylie Fitts, OLB            - 50% - I like Fitts but he's the 5th OLB right now - Bears didn't draft any OLBs so he could make the team if he can beat out some FA types too
John Franklin III          - 20% - didn't make the team last year and now Bears have added rookie Stephen Denmark - only shot may be as injury replacement
Michael Joseph, CB       - 20% - see above
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 26, 2019, 01:40:38 pm
I don't see Bullard as a bubble guy at all, unless we acquire some other teams' castoffs who might be better...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 26, 2019, 02:09:13 pm
I see some in the media pushing for the Bears to sign Daniels released from the packers.

Also Corey Luiget is available coming off an injury.

Either would be good for a one year deal if the Bears want to spend more of this year's cap.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 26, 2019, 06:48:16 pm

Daniels is going to Detroit.   Just great.

Luiget is probably looking for a 1 year prove it deal.  He's really declined the last few years. 

I'll keep Bullard.  He's younger and healthier and cheaper. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 27, 2019, 05:35:47 pm
From dabearsblog (https://dabearsblog.com/)

I made it out to Bears training camp for their first open practice today, so I wanted to share a few observations. This was the 2nd day of camp and there were no pads, so I’m not going to focus too much on specific plays.  I’m more interested in what the depth chart roughly looks like now and what guys look like they do or don’t belong, athletically speaking.

Offense

Let’s start with Mitch Trubisky, who looked really good today.  He was very sharp mentally, making quick, decisive reads consistently in full team drills.  His passes were consistently on target (not just catchable, but right on the money) for everything 20 yards and in, and even the long balls were pretty solid for the most part.  When I went to camp last year, I commented that he was thinking instead of playing, but today he was in control and could just go out and play.  I was most impressed with how fast he got the ball out, often throwing it right as the target was making his break.  He was clearly the best quarterback on the practice field (which he should be), but that was not the case when I was there last August.  Depth chart stuff: it’s default for veterans to start ahead of rookies early in training camp, so I found it noteworthy that a few offensive rookies were already fairly high on the depth chart.  David Montgomery and Mike Davis seemed to be splitting reps at RB, and undrafted rookies Sam Mustipher (C) and Alex Bars (LG) were both on the 2nd string offensive line.  They both have familiarity with OL coach Harry Hiestand from their time at Notre Dame, and it appears one or both have a decent shot at making the roster if they can have a good camp/preseason.  I paid close attention to the TEs, where I was very curious to see how Bradley Sowell looked. I was pleasantly surprised in that he didn’t actually seem out of place, which is impressive considering he’s switching from OL to TE this year. He has clearly slimmed down and didn’t look oversized, and was fairly fluid running basic short routes. I’m not saying he’s going to be stealing targets from Trey Burton or anything like that, but he looked more like a TE and less like an OL trying to play TE than I expected, which is a good start to being capable depth behind Adam Shaheen (who himself looked slimmed down) as the in-line TE.  Speaking of TEs, Dax Raymond was the undrafted rookie getting all the hype from fans this offseason, but right now he seems to be clearly behind fellow undrafted rookie Ian Bunting. Bunting took a bunch of reps with the 1st string offense in late 2 minute drills, and Raymond got none.  Hyped rookie WRs Riley Ridley and Emanuel Hall didn’t practice, so unfortunately I can’t say anything about where they seemed to be in the WR pecking order. It would have been kind of hard to figure out, though, because WRs, RBs, and TEs rotated through with the 1s and 2s a whole bunch.  The 2 guys who got the ball the most in full-team work, by far, were Allen Robinson and Tarik Cohen. I would guess they are going to be the main weapons this year.  Anthony Miller and David Montgomery have clearly better feet than anybody else out there. They both have fantastic cuts pretty much every time you watch them.  Miller did have a few mental lapses though. In 11v11, he seemed not to know one play, which resulted in the man he was supposed to block “tackling” Tarik Cohen for a loss on an outside run.  In another, he picked up an illegal motion penalty.

Defense

I didn’t see as much of the defense, because they spent most of the practice doing drills on the other side of the offense from where I sat.  That means I only really saw them going against the defense in 7v7 or 11v11, and again with no pads, so no live tackling.  This isn’t exactly groundbreaking, but Khalil Mack is GOOD.  On the first play of 11v11, he blew by Charles Leno on a beautiful inside move and would have hit Trubisky before he had finished his drop. He was in the backfield several more times as well, and made it very obvious why he draws so many double and triple teams.  One position battle I was interested in watching was Buster Skrine vs. Duke Shelley at nickelback, but Skrine played exclusively with the 1s and Shelley with the 2s today.  It’s typical for the veteran to be ahead of the rookie at this point in camp, so I more would have thought it noteworthy if they were splitting reps.  The defense blitzed a whole lot, highlighting the more aggressive approach new defensive coordinator Chuck Pagano is going to bring.  Sometimes Trubisky recognized it and made a nice throw to a hot read, but the pressure “got home” quite a bit as well.  On the last 2 minute drive scenario, I think the defense had 5 sacks, including 3 straight to end the “game” with the “win.” There was tackling, so the ref would blow the play dead, even though I think Trubisky might have been able to escape a few of them.  In terms of defensive rotations, two things stood out to me.  First is that Bilal Nichols is clearly established as the 3rd defensive lineman, with Roy Robertson-Harris 4th and Jonathan Bullard 5th.  Also, Nick Kwiatkoski does not seem entrenched as the 3rd ILB. He was rotating through pretty evenly with Joel Iyiegbuniwe and Kevin Pierre-Louis.

Special Teams

We’ll start with kicker, which has been the storyline of the offseason for the Bears.  Elliot Fry handled all the kicking duties today, and he was great. From what I saw, he only missed 1 kick out of about 10 or so, including making all 3 attempts from 50+ with a long of 60.  All of these came with all 22 guys on the field, so a full rush, as it were (though guys weren’t rushing very hard).  It was comical to see how into the kicking attempts the fans got. I think each field goal got more crowd reaction than any offensive play.  Eddie Pineiro didn’t kick at all, and on kickoff drills he did a few reps but didn’t kick a live ball. He just kind of jogged up to simulate the kickoff motion so the other 10 guys had a signal for when to start running.  That makes me wonder if he has some kind of minor injury.  Watching individual ST drills at the end of practice was enlightening in terms of seeing who looks like they do or don’t belong.  Undrafted edge rusher Matt Betts got some hype after signing due to an impressive Canadian highlight reel, but he looked very out of place and unathletic. To be fair, he was a defensive end in Canada, so he’s not used to playing in space, but his lack of athleticism even running in a straight line really stood out.  6th round pick Duke Shelley also looked uncomfortable in ST drills, probably because he was a 4 year starter in college and thus hasn’t done special teams much.  ST is an important area to pay attention to for end of the roster spots, and in that respect one guy who I noticed was on the 1st team in kickoff drills was ILB Josh Woods.  He saw a lot of ST action in preseason last year too, and appears positioned to push hard for one of those last spots as a ST ace.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 27, 2019, 06:00:38 pm
Thx for posting that, go Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 27, 2019, 06:04:49 pm
Much appreciated.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 27, 2019, 11:31:18 pm

Rookies Sam Mustipher (C) and Alex Bars (LG) ahead of veteran Ted Larsen.   Interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2019, 04:04:31 pm
Interesting as well as cheaper and younger
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 28, 2019, 07:23:17 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/a-day-later-pineiro-matches-fry-s-strong-outing?fbclid=IwAR3V_e809oXs51YYwNCEoN5c0Ju6uwtqEjk-h-U-MYOJdv6e_n8WtQjJLqs
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 29, 2019, 03:27:58 am
From Windy City Gridiron (https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2019/7/28/8934201/chicago-bears-2019-training-camp-day-2-allen-robinson-roquan-smith-david-montgomery-leonard-floyd)

Bears repeating

This section is dedicated to the Bears who have stood out among the sloth for two days in a row.  The offensive award goes to Allen Robinson, who has looked every bit the 1400-yard true #1 receiver he was at his peak in Jacksonville and has genuine chemistry with Trubisky already.  It may have happened some time when I was chasing after Staley’s attention, but I cannot recall a time this camp he was targeted and didn’t come down with the ball.  I can think of two times I was sure that he wouldn’t when he did.  Yesterday in one-on-ones against Kyle Fuller where he came back to a slightly under-thrown ball and fought off a solid breakup attempt to secure a deep catch and make the defense do push-ups. Today, he snatched a ball in double coverage that was well placed only if you trust your receiver to turn and high point the ball while running full-speed and land within bounds on the sideline.  Obviously Trubisky does.  I suspect Robinson will be rewarding that trust all year.  If there’s one observation that demonstrates how well Roquan Smith has looked in two days of camp, it’s probably that he’s been keeping up with Tarik Cohen in repeated coverage snaps. Cohen has gotten open on half of the snaps, but he’s never gotten away from Roquan.  In coverage on every other back, Smith has consistently dominated.  Today he batted down a ball in one-on-ones against Mike Davis—who ran a solid short post route—and forced the offense to do push-ups. His brightest moments were probably in the blitz drill against running backs, where he humiliated every running back except Mike Davis.  Good Bear.

Bears Up

David Montgomery could just as easily been put in the Bear Down category for some embarrassing moments.  He couldn’t get a paw on Roquan in the blitz drill.  He fumbled an early snap in 11 on 11s.  In one-on-one drills, Nick Kwiatkowski mauled him during his cut on an out route and threw him on the ground.  Ken Mitchell was quick to defend Montgomery’s honor by noting that Kwit was 6 yards deep, making his contact illegal. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he turned off “contact balance” mode knowing that he was deep enough to avoid legal shoves.  But today was the first day with pads, and my first time seeing Montgomery negotiate the messy meatyard of an NFL linepile for multiple successful inside runs.  His biggest cheer came when he beat coverage on a seam route and caught the ball about 15 yards deep with another 20 of green grass ahead of him, but my favorite moment was an inside run where he danced through the defense and finished with a graceful spin which let him burst out of the meatyard into the open field. Remember, this is without tackling, so we aren’t even seeing the benefits of his famed contact balance yet. I’m excited about his potential.  Ryan Nall looked good yesterday, but I was cautious after early promise last year didn’t translate to anything too impressive in games.  Today, he looked too good to ignore.  He’s always had top end speed, but his initial burst and quickness in noticeably better.  This translates to an improved ability to find a hole to burst through, and he’s shown this with long touchdown runs every day. The Bears have a crowded running back room, but he’s definitely making a case for him to earn a roster spot.  Leonard Floyd has looked quick and confident after two days in camp.  He snuck in for a sack yesterday, and today he and Mack had a terrific tag team where they swapped spots, Floyd deftly darted around Leno to force Mitch Trubisky to make a quick throw to his hot read, who was thoroughly covered by Mack. I’m not sure if you’d say they made a great play or were just giving Trubisky Flack, but I like the looks of this duo moving into the season.  I’m penciling Floyd for 11.5 sacks.

Bear Down

Mitch “Mitchell” Trubisky looked sharp for the beginning of team drills, but the defense took the momentum and didn’t give it back after a late pass to Miller caught a gust off wind and a hearty serving of Eddie Jackson interception.  He didn’t play bad and he still didn’t have any wild misires, but compared to yesterday he made a few poor decisions.  We’d love to see steady incremental growth from our blossoming franchise gunslinger, but progress is realistically cyclical.  I’m optimistic this will be the one step back which precedes another two steps forward.

We’re gonna need more Bear

There’s several young bears I want to see more of this off-season, the first of which is Riley Ridley, who has been sidelined with a hamstring injury.  He is literally on the sideline, so I at least got to see him and heckle him about how his brother wouldn’t be sitting out for a minor soft tissue injury but I guess that’s why he was a first round pick.  Surprisingly, my heckle did not change his sidelined status, so we’ll have to wait to see him in action.  Duke Shelly has looked good playing almost exclusively with the twos. He had snap covering Allen Robinson, and backpedaled himself out of the play as Robinson curled in for an embarrassingly-wide open catch.  I’ll forgive him for that, but I want to see him get more experience with the ones.  He’s literally not in Kansas anymore and he needs to see what truly dominant NFL receivers look like.  So far, none of the backup edge rushers have stood out as a top candidate for the fourth spot.  Mack, Floyd, and Lynch have looked good in their limited opportunities, but the next guy up is still anyone’s job.  Kylie Fitts and Isiah Irving have both been adequate without standing out, and my favorite potential risers—Canadian UDFA Matt Betts—has struggled in coverage and not yet shown what he can do as a rusher.

The Kicker Battle is Afoot

Yesterday, I told Elliot Fry to send Alligator Rob back to Florida because he was poised to be the newest Chicago hero.  Fry might want to call Rob back to wrangle Florida Gator Eddy Pineiro, who answered Fry’s series of beautiful boots with his own, showing off with a final 63 yard field goal that could have comfortably sailed through up rights 68 yards away. Eddy didn’t stop showing off there, and on kick off drills, he shoed everything out of the end zone and even a couple through the uprights.  It looks to me like the Bears have too many talented kickers. Perhaps they should offer one up for trade?

Who’s that Bear?

Winner of today’s Who’s that Bear award goes to Josh Woods, who I now know is number 55 as confidently as I know Biscuit is 10 because I literally heard who’s 55 asked over 10 times watching practice today.  He’s a second year linebacker out of Maryland who made multiple plays today at inside linebacker with second and third string reps. Behind Smith and Trevathan, that position remains unsettled, so he’s definitely one to keep an eye on as the preseason develops.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 29, 2019, 09:39:20 am

Ryan Nall looked good yesterday, but I was cautious after early promise last year didn’t translate to anything too impressive in games.

He had very nice preseason in 2018 and led the NFC in rushing yards.  Now he may have had an advantage with that extra 5th game but his average was a whopping 7 yards per carry.  As I recall he was on the practice squad the entire season.

I think he's heading for the 5th position in a 4 man depth chart this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2019, 09:57:59 am
The one I havent heard about is the one who Nall is likely fighting for a roster spot. Thats the draft pick speedster. Sorry I cant remember the kid's name.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 29, 2019, 10:04:58 am
Whyte???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2019, 10:20:08 am
Thats the one.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 29, 2019, 10:54:38 am

The Trib had an article yesterday about the Bears possibly keeping 7 WRs.  I mentioned this a while back but its still way early to project until we see some game action.  I'm especially interested in the performance of the Halls, the FA from Atlanta and the FA rookie from Missouri.

But if you break down the offensive roster as follows it could happen:

2 QB
4 HB
7 WR
4 TE
3 OT
3 G
2 C
---
25
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 29, 2019, 12:54:59 pm
Absolutely could happen.  People keep wanting to dump Wims and Ridley is the new flavor.  I think in the end Wims is going to shine, an no way should we cut him loose or try to stash him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 29, 2019, 03:04:38 pm

Wims has shown what he can do, but last year (and probably this year too) it was hard to get on the field with the veterans on the depth chart.

The guys that I think that are in for a tough battle are the Halls.  Marvin Hall - 12 career receptions.  Emmanuel Hall- big and fast wide receiver who has the athleticism but maybe not the finesse to play the WR position.

Even if they keep all 7 - not all 7 will dress on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 30, 2019, 03:44:52 am
NFL Network will do some live coverage (https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/NFL-Network%27s-2019-Inside-Training-Camp-Live-Coverage----Tuesday,-July-30.aspx) at Bourbonnais this morning starting at 9 CT
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 30, 2019, 09:42:59 am
Wims is a huge talent. No way they let him go. Someone will get hurt or they get 7 receivers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 30, 2019, 11:05:41 am
So Jackson is considered the the 30th best NFL player (I hate lists because they are usually wrong and players come an go). Mack should be in the top 10.

I still say Roquan Smith maybe our very best player this year - look at his stats from last year and he missed camp. Smith will not even be on the list....this year.

Kyle Fuller is a great player, Cohen, Robinson

And hopefully Trubusky soon
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 30, 2019, 12:29:45 pm
There sure is a lot of hype for the Bears going to the SB this year, especially if you join their facebook group.

I think the defense will be more consistent, although even matching last year is a big expectation. 

The offense was pretty mediocre last year scoring only 283 points.

Nagy, Trubisky, and the rest of the offense have a lot to prove this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2019, 12:49:11 pm

I just don't get into those top 100 NFL player lists.  It's just off season media inventions.  That stuff and the preoccupation with statistics are for the 31 teams that didn't win the Super Bowl.  Win the Super Bowl and nobody cares where your offense is ranked.

Defensively, Bears are very talented but the depth in the back 4 is questionable at best. 

Offensively, the backfield looks to be upgraded but as I've said a dozen times the development and production of Trubisky is the main factor to their success this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2019, 03:57:06 pm
From the Trib:


You should know

Whyte, a seventh-round pick out of Florida Atlantic, may be destined for the practice squad. But it would not be a shock if his special teams abilities allowed him to make the 53-man roster and contribute this fall.

Whyte’s speed is his greatest strength; he ran a 4.38-second 40-yard dash at his pro day. He’ll compete for return duties and also proved in college he’s a reliable tackler in punt and kickoff coverage. For those looking for reasons to tune in to preseason games, tracking Whyte’s progress through August will be intriguing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2019, 04:17:58 pm

Right now I have Whyte as the #4 HB.  Of course that could all change.

BTW, rookie FA Emmanuel Hall also has 4.39 40 speed.   FA Marvin Hall is almost as fast and has NFL KO return experience.   As does Patterson.

Gabriel and Cohen were the Bears only speedsters on the team last season.  That could all change.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 30, 2019, 05:03:35 pm
Heard some reports from camp....

Buster Skrine is having a great camp.  I hope he continues that during the season.

The defense is way ahead of the offense. But, they will always be the case - our D shut down the Rams O etc. last year - so our O has to practice against arguably the best D in the NFL.

Ha HA Dix is back practicing - I might remind everyone he has been to a Pro-Bowl.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2019, 05:15:12 pm
This will get your blood flowing, especial the Mack talk.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/7/30/20747700/khalil-mack-madden-rating-99-chicago-bears-eddie-jackson

"“It’s exciting for the fans, but it’s about 2019 and getting ready for Green Bay the first week,” he said. “I mean, that’s the only thing I can think about.”"
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2019, 05:24:31 pm
#1 Bear this year:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/7/29/8949418/bears-training-camp-2019-mitch-trubisky-facing-dominant-defense-challenge
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 30, 2019, 05:35:12 pm
Heard some reports from camp....

Buster Skrine is having a great camp.  I hope he continues that during the season.

The defense is way ahead of the offense. But, they will always be the case - our D shut down the Rams O etc. last year - so our O has to practice against arguably the best D in the NFL.

Ha HA Dix is back practicing - I might remind everyone he has been to a Pro-Bowl.

I hear the knock on Dix is he's not a tackler.  Fangio may have been able to get him in the right direction the way he did with Fuller, Amos and Jackson.
Hopefully Pagano with a background as a DB coach can get him to play more aggressive.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2019, 05:56:10 pm

We all knew that Amos was a very conservative player. No issues with tackling.  Always in the right place but not one to take chances.    This was evident his first 3 years:  one pick and 10 passes defended.  He didn't get beat much but he wasn't a playmaker.

His last year this improved quite a bit.  He had 2 picks which was huge for him, but he almost matched his career PDs with 9 in 2018 (vs the 10 the first 3 years).

Now, moving on to Dix.  He seems to be the almost opposite player.  Maybe too aggressive at times.    He can make big splash plays (14 picks in 5 years) but he's also been criticized for being out of position and maybe not the most willing tackler. 

Is this a discipline issue that can be corrected by good coaching and strong peer pressure?  Or is this an attitude issue with a guy wanting to get notoriety and that next big contract?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 30, 2019, 06:30:24 pm
Dix is a one year rental who has a chance to stick it to his former team twice.  He is surrounded by a cast that will allow him to take chances and hopefully pad the money stats.  That is why he chose to take less money and go to Chicago and I would be shocked if he doesn't step up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2019, 06:58:06 pm

Taking chances - two edged sword.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 30, 2019, 07:13:23 pm
With the Bears pass rush you can expect a lot of QB check downs which means your safeties will have to tackle.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2019, 04:57:49 am
We all knew that Amos was a very conservative player. No issues with tackling.  Always in the right place but not one to take chances.    This was evident his first 3 years:  one pick and 10 passes defended.  He didn't get beat much but he wasn't a playmaker.

His last year this improved quite a bit.  He had 2 picks which was huge for him, but he almost matched his career PDs with 9 in 2018 (vs the 10 the first 3 years).

Now, moving on to Dix.  He seems to be the almost opposite player.  Maybe too aggressive at times.    He can make big splash plays (14 picks in 5 years) but he's also been criticized for being out of position and maybe not the most willing tackler. 

Is this a discipline issue that can be corrected by good coaching and strong peer pressure?  Or is this an attitude issue with a guy wanting to get notoriety and that next big contract?

A rising tide lifts all boats... Mack's impact on an already top 10 defense was evident.  More turnovers, better defensive stats overall, better health, etc.  I'd be curious if there is a stat out there about the QB release?  Average time the QB had to take the snap and get rid of the ball, and how that compares.  Sprinkle in Smith, who also got his legs under him pretty quickly... this defense is about to hit another level.  Dix will benefit.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 31, 2019, 06:10:03 am
FWIW the Bears I think will not have as good a record as last year but still be a better team than last year....

The window is open for at least a championship... let's see them take it and run (hopefully multiple times !)...


Go BEARS !

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 31, 2019, 08:15:16 am
The only things I am worried about with the Bears is staying healthy and kicker...

...and I suppose Brady/Belichick if it comes to that
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2019, 08:57:00 am
A rising tide lifts all boats... Mack's impact on an already top 10 defense was evident.  More turnovers, better defensive stats overall, better health, etc.  I'd be curious if there is a stat out there about the QB release?  Average time the QB had to take the snap and get rid of the ball, and how that compares.  Sprinkle in Smith, who also got his legs under him pretty quickly... this defense is about to hit another level.  Dix will benefit.

No one doubts that Dix will be presented with more opportunities to make big plays playing with the Bears top defensive unit. but the Bears front will not record a sack on every pass play - they won't put pressure on the Qb every pass play.  There will be plenty of opportunities for Dix to stay within the defense and give up minimal yardage and just make the play.  My concern is that will he always have that patience or will he be taking too many chances going for the pick or maybe the highlight reel hit.

Defensive lineman have responsibility for their gaps and defensive backs have a very similar responsibility in the backfield.  If you read more about Dix you'd also see that there may be concerns with his this aspect of his play.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2019, 09:40:49 am
My response was in regards to Amos having a career year, once Mack and Smith showed up.  Trevathian wasn't injured.  My theory?  He had less area to range because Smith was covering space and he could not overextend his range to make up for players on a lower tier.  Amos was able to focus on just his assignments and not play to soft because others were doing their assignments and the balls were coming out faster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on July 31, 2019, 10:06:10 am
I know Jackson will make Dix better. I am guessing they have great chemistry - which is important for a secondary. Green Bay had so much turnover in their secondary. Our secondary guys know where each other is supposed to be. Kind of like Plank and Fencik or Fencik and Duerson - they both made each other better and knew where each other was.

As I understand Amos always wanted to get the hit and was afraid to go after the ball. Which is fine and serviceable for the Bears D - but Dix can be more of a play maker and should have more opportunities to pick off passes.

Agreed on the quote "all boats rise" and that Dix should have a great season based on his surrounding cast of characters.

We will see.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 01, 2019, 12:10:06 pm
The Bears have really tried to shut down TC videos this year, but here's a couple handles that managed some footage from today's practice...

https://twitter.com/BearsBarroom

https://twitter.com/ChiFansInStands
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 02, 2019, 09:47:21 am
I sincerely doubt this. I hope Pace isnt this dumb.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/31/will-the-bears-end-up-cutting-a-good-wide-receiver/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Sounds more like scare tactics. I would hope such a player would be offered in trade for even a kicker.....like to Baltimore.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 02, 2019, 10:49:23 am
Camp reports on Trubisky not so great.
3 interceptions a day is not good and Rih Campbell said Nagy seems frustrated today.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 02, 2019, 10:49:50 am
When you have a really good team losing players happens - the 1985 Bears cut some really good players.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 02, 2019, 10:50:25 am
davebear.....he is going against the BEST D in the league.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 02, 2019, 12:05:37 pm
Tweets from todays practice have Trubisky throwing a bunch of TDs.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 02, 2019, 01:02:53 pm
Trade value on our released WRs?

I like the potential of our WR group but I think the media is overestimating the overall talent level.  Robinson has the most overall ability and has the best chance of the group to be near pro-bowl level.  Gabriel is very solid.  Miller has the most potential of the starters.  Patterson is a gimmickWR/STer.  Wims is all potential.  Marvin Hall has 12 NFL catches.  Ridley and E. Hall are rookies.

Right now we'd like to keep all of them but after we see some of them in PS games that might not be the case.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 02, 2019, 02:52:00 pm
Trade value on our released WRs?

Not hardly. No es posible. You trade before cutting them loose. You should know that. Besides I have Pace a little brighter than that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 02, 2019, 03:02:51 pm

My point is the guys that the Bears might be considering releasing are most likely not going to gain us jack in a trade (either a draft pick or a certain Baltimore player).

You read too much media hype - watch the damn games first.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 02, 2019, 03:39:49 pm
I suppose but you never know. It could be somebody with one year left on their contract. Its too early to worry about it. Could be injuries happen and somebody gets IRed. You get your undies in a bind too easily.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 02, 2019, 04:34:40 pm

No es posible, senor.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 02, 2019, 06:01:25 pm
Oh boy, the Bears are favored by 3 against the Panther's next Thursday.

Do they really bet on those games?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 03, 2019, 07:59:57 am
Regarding trading any of our receivers, I think we forget there are 32 teams with receivers at the 4-7 range, that may be waiting for their opportunity.  I think to truly make a deal, you would have to trade a starter, and I don't think anyone is advocating that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 03, 2019, 10:28:29 am
No.  You don't trade your starters.  But nor do you merely release you 7th and 8th receivers if you really think they have the talent and ability to be starters in time.  The ones to trade are your 4th or 5th receivers that are better than other team's 4th through 7th players. 

You can probably get a draft choice back, and promote someone that is almost as good as the guy  you trade, and with room to improve.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 03, 2019, 10:26:25 pm

Maybe...maybe not.

If you think your younger backups can be starters in a year or two then you flat out keep them.  Keep 7 WRs if you have to.  Stash them on IR.

Look, Robinson only signed a 3 year deal.  Gabriel is a nice receiver and all, but the bottom line is he only averaged 10 yards per catch and 2 TDs in 2019.  He's not cheap.  He's a candidate to be replaced in 2020.

You keep young players not just to help the team this year but to help the team in future years because they help the cap. 

We got some players that will want to get paid soon.  Whitehair, Cohen, Trubisky, Jackson, Floyd. 

But we're getting ahead of ourselves as we really don't know what some of these guys can do yet.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 04, 2019, 06:54:19 am
Dave - My point was we only see our roster.  Every team in the NFL has 4th and 5th depth chart players.  So roughly 64 players to fill the bill.  With that much inventory, what kind of draft pick would we expect in return?  Or do you trade a starter like Gabriel, who is a perceived better option than the 64, and elevate that number 4 receiver?

I don't think your return is that great in the first scenario, and maybe Gabriel brings a 5 back in compensation?

Robinson is much younger than I thought (is he still 25?).  With that said, you might look to extend him another couple of seasons if he has an off the chart year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 04, 2019, 01:33:10 pm
Grizzlybear, I agree that we wouldn't get much for our last three receivers.  That is why I would look to trade the 3rd or 4th receivers, if I believed, as some do, that our 5th, 6th and 7th are almost as good, and likely to get better.  In that case, it is better to get something back for your 4th best than to just release your 7th best.

But I agree that training camp can change the situation greatly.  Injuries and regression can quickly reduce a depth of 7 to a depth of 4 or even 3.  But at the end of camp, if you still feel the same way about your 7 receivers, then it the time to trade the middle ones rather than release the lowest ones.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 05, 2019, 11:08:01 am
So apparently trying to rest him from his offseason surgery, Nagy is sitting Trey Burton 3 days plus their off day.
We shall see if there is cause for concern.

The TE position doesn't look to me to be as strong as it should be.

Brauneker dropped 2 passes and Shaheen one today.   The others haven't impressed much in camp.  Nagy told the media his TE role in the offense is difficult to learn which is why they signed Burton in the first place, he knew the role.  It is a very important part of Nagy's offense and is looking like it's not as strong as it needs to be personnel wise.

A few of the old overthrows by Mitch again today.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 05, 2019, 01:05:09 pm
These guys are already in great shape - they used to come to camp to get in shape....as long as his time is ok it doesn't matter. The money is too good not to be in top shape.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 05, 2019, 01:07:25 pm
This is Mack's 1st year at camp with the Bears....I understand goes 110% on every drill. He is always the first guy in line, first to the ball.

One player said now I understand why he is All-Pro.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 05, 2019, 02:49:10 pm
These guys are already in great shape - they used to come to camp to get in shape....as long as his time is ok it doesn't matter. The money is too good not to be in top shape.

Nagy said Burton "has basically done nothing for 5 months"

Remember he had hernia surgery.  He's not in shape.
It's other tight ends I'm more worried about.  No one seems to be impressing much.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 06, 2019, 10:06:44 am
Well that's a problem. Sounds like TE catching the ball willnot be a factor this year unless we pick somone up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2019, 06:13:24 pm
All true Bear fans should read this:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-bears-kickers-kaare-vedvik-ravens-20190806-jce5khjxsbc2ro4v7wjqjuskpm-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 06, 2019, 08:37:20 pm
Well, I read it, so I must be a true Bear fan.  But I didn't see anything new in it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2019, 09:50:49 pm
Did ANYONE say there was anything NEW in it? The article just points to the Bears being determined to find a kicker and this Baltimore kicker seems to be high on the Bears watch list. It might be new that they will be

closely watching the Raven preseason games in addition to their own although likely not advertising they are watching. Old addage is, "Where there is smoke there is fire." That seems to indicate a lot of smoke.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 07, 2019, 05:31:07 am
My takeaways are that the kicker has a strong leg and will be showcased in the preseason, so we will see.  On the downside, you're trying to make a professional football team, and you are out, past 3am in East Baltimore.  I would question his judgment.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2019, 06:43:04 am
Agreed, I was all over this kid, until he got mugged being with 2 hookers past 3am in Baltimore.  Not exactly a moral endorsement.  Then again if he can kick, and stay out of trouble, and Fry and Piniero falter, we could do worse.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2019, 07:03:38 am
Nice video on presnap reads:

https://youtu.be/DLbquNZj5Mc
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 07, 2019, 12:50:42 pm
Who is fired up for the season???

RBs coach Charles London on rookie David Montgomery: “He’s very conscientious. He wants to do it right, wants to do it the way that we want it done, the way that it’s coached. He’s very diligent. He’s learning to be a pro and he’s doing good at it.”

WRs coach Mike Furrey on Allen Robinson: "He’s comfortable, and he’s confident in where he’s supposed to be. He looks healthy. Now we’ve just got to keep him going, keep him growing. He wants to grow. He’s trying to learn everything he possibly can.”

QBs coach Dave Ragone lauded Mitchell Trubisky for his growth, maturation and mentality, saying: "The things that you need as a quarterback to develop long-term at this level are things that he’s working on, constantly being reminded about and getting better at.”

ILBs coach Mark DeLeone on Danny Trevathan: “Anybody including myself that gets to be around Danny Trevathan every day gets a little bit better. I remember the very first day I met him when I got the job here, I think I had chills after I left. He’s just such an impressive guy."

OLBs coach Ted Monachino on Khalil Mack: "His attitude and his leadership skill translates to both sides of the ball, translates to the locker room, translates to special teams, and all of our guys look at him and look to him for that kind of leadership.”

DL coach Jay Rodgers on Akiem Hicks: “When he walks through the door the first time, immediately you know how big he is. What I didn’t understand watching the film was how athletic he was. ... He brings the nasty to the defense that nobody else does that I’ve been a part of."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 07, 2019, 04:03:23 pm
Did ANYONE say there was anything NEW in it? The article just points to the Bears being determined to find a kicker and this Baltimore kicker seems to be high on the Bears watch list.

You seemed to take my comment as an insult or a slight.  I certainly didn't mean it that way.  My only point is that just about every Bear fan knows that they desperately need a top kicker, and that the Bears are leaving no stone unturned to find one.  And that particular possibility was already well known to everyone on the board, and anyone familiar with this front office has to know that the Bears are all over him.

Whether or not the Bears actually get him will depend on a lot of things, but lack of Bears interest in him is not likely to be one of them.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 07, 2019, 07:59:06 pm
Training camp news on the score from Mark Grote

Fuller is dominating.

Kevin Tolliver is playing the deep ball well.  That was his weakness last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 08, 2019, 05:50:06 am
Agreed, I was all over this kid, until he got mugged being with 2 hookers past 3am in Baltimore.  Not exactly a moral endorsement.  Then again if he can kick, and stay out of trouble, and Fry and Piniero falter, we could do worse.

Hookers?  No thank you.  Sounds like someone you can't trust when the good times start to roll, and then you need that big kick.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2019, 08:42:59 pm
10- 6 Bears at the half. Fry with the FG and extra point. TD Montgomery. Piniero missed his only try at a FG
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 08, 2019, 10:02:42 pm
23-13 Panthers the final.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 09, 2019, 03:59:35 am
the good - Bunting and Ives.

the bad - special teams
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 09, 2019, 06:05:24 am
FWIW IMHO

Montgomery shows he belongs in the NFL, as does Wims (again).

If the Bears have to rely on Kwitkowsk for any length of time, he's going to be exploited mercilessly (he's just overmatched covering anyone- reminded me of the 1st Packers game again). He can cover the run ok but that is not enough in this defense. Thankfully he's a backup but they've got to find someone better....

Bray uses all his 6'6'' height to be a terrible QB. Surely they could get someone better to be QB 3 ?

Special teams meh again this year but they are throwing things against the wall to see what sticks I think.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 09, 2019, 08:54:28 am
I watched the first half and taped the second.  That play where Roquan shot up the middle for the sack had me excited.  Like what I saw from Montgomery and Wims.  The rest, kind of hard to watch.  And of course Nagy isnt going to show anything in preseason. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 09, 2019, 09:48:39 am
Interesting read. I also loved the Roquan sack. Cuts are going to be difficult, but that has to be expected when you are successful at drafting and scouting:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-bears-panthers-brad-biggs-10-thoughts-20190809-65kaonc3rvebvhidtj2cxiwgeq-story.html

I watched the whole game. I was disappointed that we didnt find a way to win the game. The offense looked too ugly, but I kind of expected as much, not wanting to expose too much in the preseason
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 09, 2019, 10:51:43 am

Read a few articles on this Kaare Vedvik kid.  He was 24 last year when he went out with some of his teammates and got into a fight later that evening.  Bad choice.   Sounds like he has his priorities in order now.

BTW, he kicked 4 field goals the other night and one of them was from 55 yards out.  He also punts.  Two of them averaged 55 yards.

My thoughts - He'll go somewhere for a draft choice and it won't be conditional.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 09, 2019, 05:02:36 pm
Just watched the second half, ugh.  The only thing that was a positive was Whyte.  I hope for Mike Davis' sake he is good, otherwise I go with Montgomery/Cohen/Whyte as my main 3 RBs. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 09, 2019, 06:03:05 pm
Preseason games are usually ugly.  And those that aren't, are misleading.  By the second half, both sides are playing guys that will be pumping gas in a month.

With luck, you can see a handful of guys that stand out, and that makes it worth watching.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 09, 2019, 06:53:47 pm

Remember the olden days when starters would play in some preseason games into the 2nd quarter and sometimes into the 3rd quarter?

Now the goal of preseason is not to get anybody hurt and see who wins the last 3 or 4 spots on the 53 man and who makes it on the practice squad (for at least a few days).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 10, 2019, 07:47:11 am
I have a copy of a B/W 5th(!) preseason game from 1969.

Sayers and Butkus played most of the game.

In fact in the 3rd quarter the packers throw an INT where after WR who is pursuing the ball gets laid out by Butkus playting at 110% speed.

Different era indeed....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 10, 2019, 08:33:46 am
That was one of the first years I was old enough to watch.

1-13 and the only game I missed was their only win against the Steelers.  Bobby Douglass!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 10, 2019, 08:56:26 am
Heheheh.

I start to remember stuff from around 1972-ish onward (fragmented glimpses really in general). But the Bears always seemed to get beat whenever I got to see them on TV (wierd that I was the only football fan in the famiy).....

Moved around, only got to view a few games when VCRs became plentiful in the late 70's early 80s......

Print media (Sporting news) was the best way for me to get info back in "my" early days.... :D

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 10, 2019, 10:15:42 am
Didn’t even follow pro ball until my twenties, Johnny Morris wbbm across the lake
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2019, 10:35:23 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/09/matt-nagy-cant-stop-gushing-about-bears-rb-david-montgomery/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Dont think we are going to see much of Montgomery till the Pack season opener. Dont want to let the cat out of the bag.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 10, 2019, 12:45:05 pm
I do strongly believe that neither of those kickers will be out opening day kicker.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2019, 01:14:54 pm
Yup, me too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 10, 2019, 03:09:37 pm
Why???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 10, 2019, 03:46:05 pm

They have the hots for the Norwegian on the Ravens.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 10, 2019, 04:47:21 pm
If the ravens young kicker can punt and kick FG's as well as advertised why would the ravens cut him?  They could cut Tucker and save a ton of money and a roster spot.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 10, 2019, 06:41:18 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/video/every-montgomery-touch-against-the-panthers
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2019, 10:15:42 pm
If the ravens young kicker can punt and kick FG's as well as advertised why would the ravens cut him?  They could cut Tucker and save a ton of money and a roster spot.

Good question. Its just a presumption. But to answer your question, he is a tradeable commodity, thats why. If they cut the vet nobody is going to want to match the vet's salary. Plus they are going to ask for a draft pick for the rook. If they get a good deal they dont cut him, they just trade him. So basically the training camp is a showcase for the rook.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 10, 2019, 10:24:18 pm
LOL, there’s a reason Tucker makes the money he does...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on August 11, 2019, 01:58:46 pm
 I just read the Vikings traded for that kicker from the Ravens. They were proactive to beat out several teams offering a 5th round pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 11, 2019, 07:19:30 pm
Interesting take. I seem to agree with their take too:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/09/stock-up-stock-down-following-bears-preseason-loss-to-panthers/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 11, 2019, 07:45:34 pm
Bears have no backup OT.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 11, 2019, 09:35:32 pm
Fry and Piniero safe? I wouldnt think so:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/8/11/20801110/bears-training-camp-2019-elliott-fry-eddy-pineiro-matt-nagy-kicker-derby-trade-training-camp
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 12, 2019, 12:50:19 am
Bears have no backup OT.

I tried to stay awake after multiple attempts of watching the Bears first preseason game.  But one thing I noticed - Rashad Coward got beat for a couple sacks.  I believe he played the entire game at RT.

I"m sure he'll get a lot more snaps in the next 3 games, but right now I'd rate the LT TJ Clemmings ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 12, 2019, 12:57:55 am

On a deep ball to #13 that Tyler Bray severely under threw (the receiver had 2 yards on the cornerback), the announcers spouted off how how Emmanuel Hall had over 2000 receiving yards at Missouri and there were a lot of pro receivers from that school.

Problem is that #13 is actually Marvin Hall the FA from Atlanta.  I don't think Emmanuel played - he's banged up.

Looking forward to seeing both Halls in upcoming games, but Marvin Hall is a serious deep threat.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 12, 2019, 07:39:46 am
The Score says that the Bears offered a conditional 5th for Vedvik.  It's damn annoying that he is a Viking, but a sure 5th is a high price for someone who has never kicked in the regular season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 12, 2019, 09:47:20 am

Yeah, Bears may have made the deal if Vedvik had NFL experience, you know, like Cody Parkey did.

Even if the Bears had offered a non-conditional 5th, the Vikings 5th rounder would most likely be a better pick for the Ravens.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 12, 2019, 02:01:18 pm
Vedvik is still an unkown commodity. he may suck in games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 12, 2019, 02:43:44 pm

True, but a lot of kickers are unknown quantities.  All of a sudden a reliable kicker can just lose it.

But Vikings took a chance.  Bears don't have a lot of draft choices.  We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2019, 03:00:28 pm
Holding out hope that we have Matt Bryant on speed dial...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Coach on August 12, 2019, 03:22:01 pm
The kid from Carolina the other night will be cheaper and probably just as good
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 12, 2019, 05:39:25 pm
The Carolina guy hit that 53 yarder. He might be worthy. Good call.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 12, 2019, 08:04:29 pm
So no to Dan Bailey?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2019, 09:27:47 pm
I thought Bailey had a job. I’d definitely be interested in him as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 13, 2019, 05:37:01 am
Bailey is the current Vikings kicker.  I'd think he'll get released with the addition of Vedvik.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 13, 2019, 07:02:16 am
Yeah that kid from Carolina is up on the short list now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 13, 2019, 08:19:51 am
#Bears roster move:
We have waived WR Emanuel Hall.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on August 13, 2019, 09:08:13 am
I’m betting they are hoping to stash him on the practice squad and likely sign another kicker.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 13, 2019, 09:37:00 am

I don't think so.  Usually if I guy is cut this early they are doing it so he can catch on with another team.

If they liked him they'd have kept him until the end. 

Something is up with him.  Either injury or attitude (which is why despite some gawdy numbers he never got drafted).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 13, 2019, 10:21:05 am
So we are out $42k

Wide receiver Emanuel Hall‘s bid to make the Bears has come to an end.

Per the Chicago Tribune, the Bears gave Hall a $12,000 signing bonus and $30,000 base guarantee in order to entice him to sign with them after he went undrafted in April but his time with the team is over. The Bears announced they waived Hall on Tuesday morning.

Hall did not play against the Panthers last week and has missed several recent practices. Availability was an issue for Hall while at Missouri as well and he was limited to nine games during his final college season because of a groin injury.

Hall showed a knack for big plays in college — 37 catches for 828 yards and six touchdowns last year — but he’ll need someone else to take a flier for him to show he can do it at the professional level as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 13, 2019, 11:58:13 am
I would take Bailey. Huge upgrade. Strong leg. He has made 56 yarders multiple times.

86.6 accuracy in his career. Last year only 75% - 21 of 28 with a 52 as the long. Made 30 out of 31 PATs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 14, 2019, 10:26:59 am
Camp update:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/13/5-takeaways-from-bears-training-camp-from-trubisky-to-kickers/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 14, 2019, 12:51:59 pm

I'm still puzzled why the Bears released Emmanuel Hall this early in camp.

Was he injured?  Or was he just not 100% and not willing to take the field until he was 100%.  This was the criticism of  him in college which led to him going undrafted.

Or maybe he and his agent made a bad decision on coming to the Bears in the first place with all the depth at WR and he just wanted out so he could pursue a roster spot with another team with a weaker depth chart.  Bears have a nice mix of veterans with Gabriel, Robinson, and Patterson and youth with Miller, Wims and Ridley.

With his release I'm certain 7 WRs is a distinct possibility, but that leaves 4 TEs, 4 HBs and 8 offensive lineman on the 53 man (assuming 2 QBs).   There will be some tough decisions at those 3 positions.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 14, 2019, 01:21:55 pm
I read Hall had several nagging injuries and a lot of pass drops.

I heard a training camp report today on the score and came away with these items:

1.  Bush maybe had the best camp.  He looks like the best cover safety.  An NFL starter.

2.  Tolliver and John Franklin look like solid backup corners.

3.  Mike Davis did not stand out but the FA RB White is interesting.

4.  backup LT could be a problem
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 14, 2019, 02:19:53 pm
1.  Bush maybe had the best camp.  He looks like the best cover safety.  An NFL starter.


Had a nice pick in the preseason game and didn't hurt us in the playoff game.  He and Dix are FAs at year end.  Bush might be had at a better price next year. 

2.  Tolliver and John Franklin look like solid backup corners.

Shelley looks solid too.  I forgot is Franklin now playing safety or is it Michael Joseph?

3.  Mike Davis did not stand out but the FA RB White is interesting.

Many had Mike Davis penciled in as the starter.  We'll see.   But I think White makes the team.

4.  backup LT could be a problem

Coward struggled at RT last week.   How many backup OTs can the Bears keep?  Are Clemmings and Lucas going to bump Coward?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 14, 2019, 03:43:02 pm
I wasnt impressed with Clemings. He has 3 games to redeem himself.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 15, 2019, 03:21:43 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwUd4V-CrQ
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 15, 2019, 03:34:18 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TAuNsOCsU
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 15, 2019, 10:20:37 am
Kyle Long seems to have gone off the reservation, what gives? A scrum I can see, but seven years in, you should know better than to beat a kid with he own helmet.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 15, 2019, 11:11:32 am

From what I gather somebody probably went after Long's legs during on an interception return.  Considering Long's history with leg/foot injuries he was probably not too happy considering it was during a practice.

Yes, he over-reacted and coach was right in kicking him out of practice to cool off and reflect on his behavior.  Long has always been an emotional guy and Bears are lucky to have a guy like that on the O-line but he went over the line.

Reminds me of a Dallas Cowboys game against the Bears that I attended in Dallas a long time ago.  Something happened between Bears offense and Cowboy defense.  Randy White ended up ripping Keith Van Horne's helmet and then threw it at him.  But that wasn't a practice - but a preseason game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 15, 2019, 11:49:31 am
Very odd with Long. Maybe he feels the pressure of being cut. Easy cut considering he is hurt all the time. Hope it isn't roid rage.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on August 15, 2019, 01:10:14 pm
Kyle Long kind of reminds me of Olin Kreutz, except bigger and maybe not as strong.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 15, 2019, 03:26:34 pm
That's a great breakdown of Nagy's play calling abilities. Remember all too well the lame play calling of past coaches that telegraphed everything they were doing and the opponents D easily snuffed. Not so anymore
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 16, 2019, 09:29:33 am
https://theathletic.com/1142426/2019/08/16/bears-on-the-bubble-27-players-with-something-to-prove-vs-giants/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 16, 2019, 08:11:21 pm
Miserable 1st half. 19-6.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 16, 2019, 08:39:28 pm
That was Giants starters against Bears 2's and 3's.
Not much to make of it other than Chase Daniel really isn't very good.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 16, 2019, 09:07:03 pm
Better pray for Mitch T. health......cause we got nothing....I mean absolutely nothing behind him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 17, 2019, 12:50:09 am
Franklin III and Tolliver played over half the game at corners.
It was disappointing to see Franklin get beat long 3 times

Coward left holding hus wrist.  The last thing he needs is to be out of practice.  He looks really slow often.

Wims and Ridley find the ball and have good hands.  Wims has the "it" factor and I think he will be a big factor in the passing game by the second half of the season.

It was almost funny but I felt sorry for the guy.  After Mizzel wasn't having much luck as a receiver they put him at RB for 5 plays in the second half.  He fumbled twice had 2 carries for a loss and 1 or2 yards.

Nall looks quicker this year and has soft hands.

I don't think Mike Davis played.

That DB Clifton Duck has a knack for the big play.

Duke Shelly looks to have the tools to play slot corner.  He needs time to learn to react quicker but looks like the future.

The defenders wrap up and tackle aggressively.  No shoulder pad hits and weak stuff.  Good to see Pagano coaching that.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 17, 2019, 01:26:24 am
Don't get discouraged.  The Bears played zero starters.  ZERO!

Usually teams doing this in pre-season play their starting O-line.  The Bears did this with strictly back ups on the O-line.

This is the future of pre-season and for once the Bears are ahead of the curve not behind it.

We will likely see the starters for a bit next game and then zero the last pre-season game. 

The best thing is no starters got hurt.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 17, 2019, 01:29:37 am
So the Bears sat at least their top 22 players might have even been higher like 23, or 24.  This then leads to players being tired facing fresh players.

Plus when your back up lines are playing it makes it tough for everyone else.

On top of this still had plenty of turn overs.

I am pretty happy with this game! 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 17, 2019, 01:30:45 am
The worse thing I took from this game was the missed field goal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 17, 2019, 05:27:07 am
not a single catch by a TE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 17, 2019, 06:36:04 am
FWIW it appears on offense they were trying to work through the logjam at WR to see who to keep and who to cut. Unfortunately, Oline and QB play was not too good and may have tainted the process somewhat.

On defense they looked like they were just throwing bodies around to see what sticks.

The Good:
WR position is stacked. Whyte showed he belongs. Defenders showed a nose to make turnovers happen (and capitalize on offensive mistakes). No starters were hurt.

The Bad:
Mizzel shows his "worth" (although this could fall under the "good" depending on point of view) and why he wont be on the 53 (or PS).
Little depth on the Oline (common with many other teams tho).
No kickoffs out of the back to the endzone. Kicking game still a cause for concern.

The Ugly:
QB play. Shame that all the Giants QBs look better than Daniel/Bray. Chase the veteran has no pocket presence but he's the backup but WTH does Bray bring to the team ? It would be better to see any attempt to maybe catch lightning in a bottle with someone else than stick with that stiff. He's Todd Collins redux....

On to game 3. Go Bears !

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 17, 2019, 07:41:49 am
Havent watched the game yet, taped it.  But I am wondering if Daniels/Bray are being handcuffed because Nagy doesnt want to show any of his "good" stuff in preseason?  I mean Daniels at least should know the O inside and out, and if put in a good position should be able to do something.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 17, 2019, 08:12:50 am
Boogie - yes. Nagy is not showing anything.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 17, 2019, 08:14:53 am
I know it's all backups but: Anyone have thoughts on linebacker Vaughters? He has made 3 big plays this pre-season.

What about CB Duck? Does he make the team?

We have a lot linebackers - I wonder if Fitts fits in in?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 17, 2019, 08:19:10 am
I did not see anyone post this: Long did not make the trip. Is this the beginning of the end? Not sure who would replace him. Hopefully this just discipline.

Our backup O line is just terrible.

The good news is our starting O line is starting to get respect - it was rated #9 and rising.


9. CHICAGO BEARS
PROJECTED STARTING LINEUP:
Left Tackle: Charles Leno Jr.
Left Guard: Cody Whitehair
Center: James Daniels
Right Guard: Kyle Long
Right Tackle: Bobbie Massie

Charles Leno Jr. has been a pleasant surprise for Chicago. The 2014 seventh-rounder finished the 2018 season as the team’s highest-graded offensive linemen while playing over 1,000 snaps at left tackle. He earned an impressive 75.2 overall grade and a 79.2 pass-blocking grade on the year, and he’s now earned 70.0-plus overall grades in four consecutive seasons. Opposite of Leno, veteran tackle Bobby Massie also played far above expectations, earning career-high marks in overall grade (71.2) and a pass-blocking grade (78.9).

Along the interior, youngsters Cody Whitehair and James Daniels have both shown they have the potential to be long-term solutions at center and guard, respectively. And veteran Kyle Long, though coming off a yet another injury-plagues season, still earned an 81.0 pass-blocking grade for his efforts in 2018.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 17, 2019, 01:36:21 pm
I wonder if Nagy told the kickers not to kick the ball out of the end zone on kickoffs so that they could explicitly work on kick return coverage.

It sounds like something he would do...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 18, 2019, 02:16:01 am

Bears need a swing tackle.  Lucas is horrible.  Coward is still a project.

Bullard and Robertson-Harris got steam rolled.  But in their defense they are not 4-3 DTs they are 3-4 DEs.  But Bears really don't have a backup 3-4 NT to Goldman so they kept with the passing formation.  Really points out the value of Hicks and Goldman in the middle though.

Still think Bears keep 4 HBs and 7 WRs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 18, 2019, 01:18:15 pm
There is a little bit of catch 22 here.  If they only play the second, third and fourth string players, it gives a chance to see if any stand out among the others.  However, football has become such a total team effort that a good player playing along a bunch of bad players can look very bad themselves.

This isn't as pronounced among the skilled sets like wide receivers and running backs, but it can make a great difference on offensive and defensive line when the guy next to you isn't filling his required holes and you have to make up for it.  The same can apply for defensive backs that end up having to cover someone else's mistakes and end up looking foolish.

Fortunately, the coaches have everyday practices to sort things out, while we only get to see the practice games.  And we don't even have the benefit of knowing the game plans.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 18, 2019, 01:58:15 pm
Heard Ced Benson died in a motorcycle accident
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 18, 2019, 02:13:46 pm
Also Frye cut.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 18, 2019, 02:48:50 pm
Interesting.  Frye seemed to be ahead of his competition.  Of course, I have no idea who was better in practice.  But my first reaction is that they have someone else they expect to secure, either by free agency or trade.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 18, 2019, 05:16:12 pm
A few scenarios are possible.

It could be they decided Pinero is the more talented kicker and want to see how he reacts to having no competition.

If it fails they would make a move before week 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 18, 2019, 05:29:48 pm
I don't believe Pierno is our kicker. His leg is weak. We will pick up a vet like Bailey or Bryant.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 18, 2019, 06:22:41 pm
I don't know.... Baily sort of fell off the table and became Parkey.  Bryant is old and has a short range at the end of his career.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 18, 2019, 06:39:31 pm
Beer,

Pinero's leg is not weak.  Watch the video and tell me about his weak leg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiiN1yVPGJk

Gator fan here, seen plenty of him...he has got plenty of leg.  I would feel confident with him heading into the season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 18, 2019, 06:56:03 pm
I am pretty sure the Bears are keeping an eye on the Carolina kicker as well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3zbvct7NZg

The Bears are going forward with the long term younger route rather than a veteran.  Whether or not that is appropriate for a team in a championship window is a fair question.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 18, 2019, 07:01:22 pm
Piniero’s leg is far from weak.

Bryant is still deadly from 50+.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 18, 2019, 07:18:43 pm
Yeah. I got that wrong he was 4/5 from 50+ last year.

The Falcons kicker who replaced him missed 2 kicks thisweekend so they have to consider Bryant too.  Looks like it would tale $4m.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 18, 2019, 07:42:58 pm
The reports I have seen is that Pinero has the stronger leg, but his accuracy is erratic.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 18, 2019, 07:50:30 pm
His technique supposedly needs improvement.

During his final year of college Pinerio had the best field goal percentage in the nation, 94.4% (17-for-18).[1] He finished his career with an 88.4% (38-for-43) field goal conversion rate, which ranks first in UF history (min. 35 attempts) as he passed Bobby Raymond (87.8%, 43-of-49, 1983-84.) His 38 made field goals place him sixth all-time in Florida history. He also connected on 16 straight field goals to close the 2017 season, which tied Jeff Chandler (2001) for the second longest streak in program history. [1] He played for the Gators during the 2016 and 2017 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Pineiro

He was about to win the Raiders Kicker duties last year as a rookie until he pulled groin.  They put him on IR. 

All I know was in college he was money.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 19, 2019, 03:02:39 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Nx_0x5vPQ
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on August 19, 2019, 06:41:14 am
That Joey Slye dude is from around the corner from me.  Stafford VA.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 19, 2019, 09:35:34 am
So the verdict is Pinero has a strong enough leg to stay in the NFL?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 19, 2019, 09:45:04 am
His leg strength is not an issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 19, 2019, 10:10:26 am
Thanks Dave. Good stuff. Makes feel a little better. I'd stick with him and give the kid a shot.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 19, 2019, 10:11:49 am
Hiber - is that a real video - Or is it an altered video like the do with those basketball shots?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 19, 2019, 06:50:33 pm
Suppose to be a real one.  He hit plenty of long ones in college.  Here some highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgogS1UFi9M
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 19, 2019, 11:56:07 pm
He looks pretty awesome in that video.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 20, 2019, 05:17:20 am
When he displays that emotion and excitement, it also shows his confidence.  He may be able to harness that again, a little "be you" could go a long way.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 20, 2019, 10:35:12 am
https://sports.yahoo.com/what-bears-coach-matt-nagy-sees-in-mitchell-trubisky-that-a-lot-of-people-dont-222729359.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2019, 10:43:49 am

There was an article yesterday ranking Trubisky as the 26th best QB in the NFL. 

He'll be the Rodney Daingerfield of QBs until he can take that next step.  And he has to - Bears can't depend on the defense and all the weapons on offense to carry them deep into the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 20, 2019, 05:14:08 pm
Trubisky has not been a top of the line quarterback. 

But anyone that claims that there were 25 quarterbacks in the league last year that were better than him, loses all credibility. 

If there is anyone out there that wants to bet that there will be 25 quarterbacks better than Trubisky this year, give me your criteria to judge that, and if reasonable, I will be happy to bet with you.  You name the stakes.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 21, 2019, 05:34:23 am
I think it was Cynthia Freuland and the Fantasy QB tracker.  Not because of this, but give me a break that she is an analytics expert.  Had Lamar Jackson in the top 20.

I think the hyperscrutiny of Trubisky is the National media creation related to how they view the Bears.  The Bears have a top defense, some nice pieces on offense, and a 3rd year QB that hasn't shown the consistent it factor.  Trubisky becomes the target as the piece holding them back, even though his last full performance was marching the Bears to a game winning drive... that didn't happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2019, 09:19:54 am

A lot of it is due to Trubisky not having the numbers of Watson and Mahomes.  And Trubisky was not only drafted before them but the Bears traded draft picks too.

Mahomes has a pro-bowl receiver and a pro-bowler at TE.  And Watson has a top 5 WR.  Last season, Trubisky had a mediocre running game and a set of receivers that would be called middle of the road, at least last year.

Can Trubisky lift this average talented offense to a new level?  Montgomery may be part of that answer.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 21, 2019, 09:28:11 am
I agree Dallas and I hope we see a much greater Trubisky this year. If not Pace has to go back to the drawing board. The Bears philosophy has always been that they didnt need a great QB just a manager. That appears to be the case with Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 21, 2019, 09:29:58 am
I think Trey Burton being out really changed the game plan for the Eagles game
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 21, 2019, 09:46:58 am
Trubisky is only getting better. TWO new offenses in his first 2 years.

His SECOND year numbers were 24 TDs and 95.2 QB rating in 14 games. Stats don't lie.

He is in his second year now under Nagy and knows the O way better.

I am expecting him to have a great season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 21, 2019, 09:48:42 am
I saw a 53 man roster depth chart from one of the Bears sites - it had us keeping FIVE Tight Ends - do we need 5?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 21, 2019, 09:54:09 am
From PFF (https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-rankings-nfl-starting-quarterback-rankings-for-2019)

26. MITCHELL TRUBISKY, CHICAGO BEARS

There’s a disconnect (https://www.pff.com/news/pro-what-the-advanced-analytics-say-about-mitchell-trubiksy) between Trubisky’s statistical output and his throw-by-throw performance last season, and it’s a big year in his development. He had impressive moments as a rookie and a few top-notch performances last year, though his 63.6 overall grade ranked just 29th in the league despite ranking 17th in passer rating during the regular season. Trubisky went from one of the worst play-calling/playmaker situations to one of the best, and that was a big reason for his statistical success. Among the positives, Trubisky ranked 11th in big-time throw percentage and his legs were a weapon as he finished with the top rushing grade among quarterbacks at 88.2. In order to take the next step, Trubisky must improve his accuracy at 10-plus yards down the field and lower his percentage of uncatchable passes that ranked 31st out of 35 qualifiers. Trubisky is set up with another good situation offensively, but improved play on his part is crucial if the Bears are going to repeat in the NFC North.

(https://media.pff.com/2019/08/Mitch-768x432.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 21, 2019, 09:55:23 am
Madness at 43 Yards: The Bears Kicker Competition Through the Eyes of Those Who Lived It (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/21/chicago-bears-kicker-competition-obsession-cody-parkey-miss-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 21, 2019, 09:58:49 am
One issue is our receivers drop a lot of balls.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2019, 11:09:56 am
I saw a 53 man roster depth chart from one of the Bears sites - it had us keeping FIVE Tight Ends - do we need 5?

I dunno - just can't see it.  I'm thinking 4.  Sowell and Braunecker could be at risk if they decide to go with Bunting.

53 man
Trey Burton - starter
Adam Shaheen - backup
Ben Braunecker - versatile backup and special teamer
Bradley Sowell - blocking TE but had a tough time last PS game with pass blocking at penalties

practice squad
Ian Bunting - nice PS game 1 - invisible game 2
Dax Raymond - positives out of training camp but not so much in the PS games

Cut
Jesper Horsted
Ellis Richardson

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 21, 2019, 11:36:58 am
I wouldn't be surprised if shaheen didnt make it
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2019, 11:43:46 am
 
I did not care for the Shaheen pick when drafted.  I didn't like his measurables and his football background.  However, I think the kid has a shot to be a decent TE with some red zone potential considering his basketball background and size. 

We just don't know what he can do - we've seen flashes, but then there's been the injuries.

He'll make the team - he's just got to stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2019, 12:12:38 pm

From the Trib:

Alex Bars seemed to play much better against the Giants this past week than against Carolina. Could the Bears keep nine offensive linemen? — @bigtroublejack

I tend to think the Bears will keep eight offensive linemen on the 53-man roster and have two or three more on the practice squad. Teams generally dress only seven linemen on game day, and if you kept nine, that would mean two would be inactive every Sunday. You have to think Ted Larsen will make the team as a reserve, and provided Rashaad Coward’s right elbow injury isn’t significant, he should make the team. We’ll have to see what happens with the eighth spot. Bars might be pegged for the practice squad.



I've isolated on the offensive line this preseason and I like Bars.  I think he's the 7th guy.  Larsen is #6.  Don't ask me who is #8 at swing tackle.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on August 21, 2019, 12:35:39 pm
 Definitely need to address OT in next years draft.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on August 21, 2019, 01:59:48 pm
 Maybe a backup QB too!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 21, 2019, 02:12:01 pm
If the Colts decide to keep only Luck and Brissett, I want Chad Kelly.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 21, 2019, 02:31:44 pm
I dunno - just can't see it.  I'm thinking 4.  Sowell and Braunecker could be at risk if they decide to go with Bunting.

53 man
Trey Burton - starter
Adam Shaheen - backup
Ben Braunecker - versatile backup and special teamer
Bradley Sowell - blocking TE but had a tough time last PS game with pass blocking at penalties

practice squad
Ian Bunting - nice PS game 1 - invisible game 2
Dax Raymond - positives out of training camp but not so much in the PS games

Cut
Jesper Horsted
Ellis Richardson

I think that pretty much anils it.  Nagy was saying they need to be patient with Sowell.  I think he makes it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 21, 2019, 02:40:46 pm
absolutely need to address OT
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 21, 2019, 02:52:38 pm
4 tight ends even seems like a lot - especially with the backups. Sheehan is a glass doll - he gets hurt all the time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 21, 2019, 03:22:28 pm
Thats my concern with Shaheen.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2019, 03:34:33 pm

Who do the Bears have thats better than Shaheen if Burton goes down?  I like Braunecker but not that much and the youngsters are a possibility but unproven.

And now that we've prematurely opened up the 2020 draft (we got 2 second rounders pretty much) ...

Amukamora is getting to be around that age (30) where a lot of corners lose that step.  And who is our safety?  Clinton-Dix and Busch are FAs.  And we'll need another 3-4 DE with Bullard being free and not sure what the contract status is of Robertson-Harris.

If the Bears don't re-sign Daniels I think they'll look at the free agency pool and not draft a QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 21, 2019, 05:26:06 pm
The release of Kevin White from the Cardinals cost the Bears a projected 4th round compensatory pick.  That blows...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 21, 2019, 05:47:09 pm
Totally. such a great talent, but couldn't over come injuries.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 21, 2019, 06:13:30 pm
Nagy and Frank Reich talked today and they won't play starters Saturday
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2019, 08:08:56 am
Ditto:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/8/21/20827190/bears-carli-lloyd-gil-brandt-tryout-kicker-us-womens-world-cup-soccer-eagles-ravens
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2019, 08:21:13 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/8/21/20827191/bears-kicker-eddy-pineiro-sports-illustrated-matt-nagy-cody-parkey-double-doink-elliott-fry-2019

It isnt just the kicker that has to move past Parkey its us fans too. We need some finality to this mess whoever it ends up being
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2019, 10:19:01 am
And had Parkey not double doinked the FG and the Bears have won that game how would that grade have gone to

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/21/mitch-trubisky-issued-b-in-2017-nfl-draft-re-grades/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

And all because of something he had no control over. But it does put finding an answer to the kicker problem more important.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 22, 2019, 11:26:10 am
For a 2nd year QB on his SECOND offense in 2 years.....HE HAD A GREAT YEAR.

This year will be way better.

They try act like it's his 6th year.

Some second year QBs don't even see the field. Please see Aaron Rodgers 2nd year in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 22, 2019, 11:28:02 am
Nagy and Frank Reich talked today and they won't play starters Saturday

It's a Saturday and I will not be watching - watch the DVR in like an hour.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 22, 2019, 12:07:20 pm

I'm still trying to catch the 2nd half of the last game on DVR - I keep nodding off.

Looks like Saturday could be another snoozer.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 23, 2019, 06:45:42 am
Pre season ! Catch the fever ! (ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz) :D

On a side note, watched a little of the Pack/Raiders game because of the field change (80 yard field and no kickoffs) for shits and giggles (mostly yawns tho)....

Its kind of cool that football is flexible enough to still be able to play a game at 80 yards (although FGs were the same distance). I think it was also a tryout for the possibility of having no-kickoffs and seeing how the game flowed....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 23, 2019, 07:58:50 am
Agree with Dave on Chad Kelly.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2019, 10:22:10 am
Here is a prediction of the 53 man roster, not that I agree with it:

Also before anybody beats me up about this, there is an error in it that I am aware of and thats Eddie Goldman is pictured but wrongly called Eddie Jackson. Everybody knows Eddie Jackson cant play NT

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/gallery/bears-53-man-roster-projection-entering-3rd-preseason-game/

7 wide receivers?  I dont like the IL selections. Woods is left out over others. And there are others I would challenge too

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2019, 12:11:25 pm

Hell yeah, I'll challenge this (of course in all my years of predicting the 53 man I've never got it right).

Where is Kerrith Whyte?  Does Cox really think the Bears can stash this guy on the PS?   Patterson is supposed to be our KO return guy but this kid is electric.

I don't see keeping 5 ILBs.  I'd put Kevin Pierre-Louis as well as Josh Woods on the PS.  One of them can replace Kwiatowski...next year.

This roster also has an extra d-lineman (Nick Williams) at the cost of an OLB.  I can't say that Kylie Fitts deserves a roster spot...just yet.  I'd like to see more of James Vaughters to see if he can be that 5th OLB.

The only other guy I'm not sure about is Michael Joseph.  He could make the team on cut day and be replaced when the other teams complete their cuts.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on August 23, 2019, 12:15:31 pm
Kwiatowski can catch a bus ticket today. He is just too slow. If Roquan Smith starts the opener last year, we beat Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 23, 2019, 12:56:15 pm
Michael Joseph over John Franklin III, who has been one of the darlings of training camp.
They started him with Toliver last week presumably as the backup corners.  He got beat deep 3 times that probably put him in the dog house.

I'm sure Franklin and Joseph will both get extended opportunities the next 2 weeks.

For about the third year in a row I don't see what they do if Eddie Goldman gets hurt.
Bullard last week could not hold the point of attack and neither could Williams, although he is athletic.

I'm curious if they sign a big body nose tackle and a replacement for Coward from the cuts this year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2019, 01:59:20 pm

Kwiatowski can catch a bus ticket today. He is just too slow. If Roquan Smith starts the opener last year, we beat Green Bay.


Kwiatowski is no Roquan Smith but he's an experienced backup that plays on a lot of special teams.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2019, 02:10:06 pm
Michael Joseph over John Franklin III, who has been one of the darlings of training camp.
They started him with Toliver last week presumably as the backup corners.  He got beat deep 3 times that probably put him in the dog house.

I'm sure Franklin and Joseph will both get extended opportunities the next 2 weeks.

For about the third year in a row I don't see what they do if Eddie Goldman gets hurt.
Bullard last week could not hold the point of attack and neither could Williams, although he is athletic.

I'm curious if they sign a big body nose tackle and a replacement for Coward from the cuts this year.

Williams was on the 53 at the beginning of the year last year but was placed on the PS early on.  There really is no big body sub for Goldman but Bears play a lot of 4 down lineman so they only need a sub for him if he's injured.  Bullard and Robertson Harris are 3-4 DEs not NTs.

Coward was a little better in game 2 but then got hurt.   Lucas, the LT was dreadful.  If someone gets hurt Sowell may have to put on 30lbs and step in.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2019, 02:13:46 pm

Bears have a bunch of guys questionable for Green Bay...the game is 2 weeks away!

Whitehair, Miller, Massie, Clinton-Dix, Burton, Lynch and Coward and whats up with the rookie Barrs knee?

(Its from CBSsports and is not official)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 23, 2019, 02:32:03 pm
They have been practicing simulated games so there will be injuries.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 24, 2019, 07:00:56 am
Simulated injuries...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 24, 2019, 09:12:59 am
I like Kwaitkowski, but man he moves like he has lead weights in his shoes.  It wouldnt bother me to see him cut.  I really like what I have seen from Vaughters so far, and I kind of like Woods as well.  Lets see what they do tonight.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2019, 11:35:23 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/23/4-storylines-to-watch-in-bears-preseason-game-vs-colts/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 06:43:54 pm
This is tough to watch but expected it since starters aren't playing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 06:56:46 pm
Bush made a nice play there.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 24, 2019, 07:08:11 pm
Bears better hope the starters are healthy because dang....the group behind them is weak. Going 0 for in preseason apparently....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 07:15:53 pm
Nall with a very nice run on 1st and 30.  LOL!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 08:07:15 pm
58 yd field goal is GOOD!

Right down the middle.  Would have made it from a bit farther.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 08:49:38 pm
Looks like the Bears got this one.  They are going to have to cut some very promising young talent.

It has been a very long time since they were this deep on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 24, 2019, 08:52:41 pm
Looks like Nalls a keeper. Who's 46? Looked like Mack on his sack
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 24, 2019, 09:08:05 pm
Sounded like a whole lot of unhappy Colts fans after the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 09:30:05 pm
Can't say I blame them.   Retiring two weeks before the season is a shitty thing to do to your fans.

Especially when the news comes out while getting beat at home in a pre-season game.

Although I thought their new starting QB looked pretty decent.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 24, 2019, 09:58:32 pm

Kelly was 3rd string - Jacoby Brissett is the new starter. 

If Luck doesn't retire I'd bet some teams would be calling Indy about trading for that guy.  He was impressive.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 24, 2019, 10:06:02 pm

The announcers for the Colts were dreadful to listen to.  I understand they were homers but when they started saying that the Bears have problems on their starting O-Line because they gave up 8 sacks in PS they just need to get their heads out of their a$$.

Bears 2nd teamers were about as bad s the announcers.   Daniels had pressure and lost his composure multiple times.  No Bears receivers could get open.  The only bright spot was Nall, who made numerous impressive runs.   I think Nall is probably behind Whyte but I'm thinking he's going to make the 53 man roster - but probably not on the Bears.

One thing I noticed that in the second half the Bears put their LG Alex Bars at LT.  He played the entire 2nd half and did pretty well considering he's been playing guard in camp.  I did read that he played one year at Notre Dame at RT early in his career.  He looked better than any of the Bears OTs this PS, but I'd like to see him going against better talent.

Our backup corners are about as bad as our backup OTs.  Even the touted rookie Shelley hasn't impressed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 10:41:01 pm
Dallas you are usually pretty optimistic.

We won playing our back ups against their starters.  Of course it was ugly in the first half.

I don't mean starting QB, RB and WR's.  I mean no starting O-line or D-line.  Also we didn't play our top 3 RB's.

That is tough for the QB and tough to win period.

Nagy has a plan and he is sticking to it.  I like that we aren't getting players injured but I am concerned about conditioning.



 

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 24, 2019, 10:57:40 pm
 :The colts agreed with nagy they weren't going to play their starters.  Didn't see the game but are you saying they did play starters?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 24, 2019, 11:16:03 pm
The Colts played their starting QB!  :)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 24, 2019, 11:48:15 pm
I guess they did  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2019, 12:05:09 am

Despite destroying the Bears backups, Mr. Irrelevant from a couple years ago, Chad Kelly is probably not the new starter for the Colts.  Even though he didn't play tonight Jacoby Brissett should be the new starter.

But once the Colts recover from the shock, I'm sure there will be a QB controversy as Kelly looked pretty good this preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 25, 2019, 12:06:20 am
Yeah, I didn't know they were sitting their starters.  It certainly looked like starters verse back ups.  Still not concerned though.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2019, 12:43:36 am

You should be concerned unless you think all 22 starters will never miss a game.

Backup tackle is a mess, Tolliver played a little last season,but beyond him I don't like any of our backup CBs.    Hard to evaluate Chase Daniel with all the backups but his pocket presence sukks and he seems afraid to let it loose.  Bray actually looked pretty good.

There was some good play.  Nall, Isiah Irving nailed down the #4 OLB spot, and Vaughters had another good game. 

ILBs Kwiatkowski and Woods were active and Iyiegbuniwe after whiffing on Kelly in the open field came up with a few good plays.  Interior lineman Abdullah Anderson shows some pass pressure as did Nick Williams.

And Pineiro nailed a 58 yarder and all but 1 of his kickoffs went into the end zone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 25, 2019, 07:16:43 am
That was definitely a weird game (even for a PS game). FWIW

The Good:
Eddie showed he can kick in good conditions (indoors but the top was open). Some of the backups (like Bush) and backups to the backups (like Nall, Vaughters) showed that they may have a spot on the 52 (or at least a shot at PS). Team showed it can dig itself into a hole and re-emerge from it victorious.

The Bad:
They won a game that (hopefully) Nagy hopefully does not brush down the memory hole for a truly abysmal 1st half performance by the offense. They cannot expect to be let off the carpet like that. (It was like a switch was turned off by the Colts and turned on by the Bears after the Bears 1st 3 and out of the 2nd half)....

The Ugly:
The offense was abysmal (A friend texted me and said the it was a "Traumatic Ofensive Performance" in the 1st half which also fit the bill). Daniel has the pocket awareness of a hamster on methedone. Conjecture here, but I get the feeling that he feels himself so safe in his job (he is a character and "glue" guy in the locker room) that he can play the way he has (which is bad). Maybe he needs some pressure to up his game a little ? I still think Bears need to try to find another answer at the position if not this season then this off-season for sure.

Misc notes:
Watched the Vikings game. I was not overly impressed with their offense. The long TD run came on what should have been a 1st down run only, as the D took bad angles and were out of position. Cousins was not accurate, but his WR can only do so much to help out. Vedvik's misses were ugly (that's the way we "Vike" it :D) but he just got their and I'm sure working with the holder is a work in progress....

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 25, 2019, 07:36:44 am
For what its worth Nagy wasnt calling the plays on O, Helfrich was.  Not sure how that factored into the game last night.  The first half was very hard to watch.  I expected even more in the second, but it seemed like they let Bray air it out and he did pretty well.  And whoever said we should pick up Kelly as our 3rd string/back up QB, that kid has an arm.  And I loved the fan in the stands at the end of the game who took off his Luck jersey and was just holding it looking at it, priceless.  lol
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 25, 2019, 07:41:55 am
The other thing about not playing starters in the preseason, who is to say that a starter doesnt get hurt by a freak injury in the first regular season game?  Injuries sometimes are related to conditioning, sometimes to luck.  Its all a craap shoot.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 25, 2019, 12:23:06 pm
I'm jus5 starting to watch the game.

The OL is all FA.  Shouldn't be too concerned they didn't produce.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2019, 05:14:13 pm
Clemmings belongs in the new football league. Ugh
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 25, 2019, 05:46:33 pm
Loved the 58 yard field goal.

Not worried about the offensive backs not doing anything - if wee have to play most of those jokers we are in big trouble.

Pre-season is different these days - these guys come into camp in great shape.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 25, 2019, 06:19:47 pm
Looks like many teams like the Bears are moving to having full speed scrimmages including with other teams.  It's my understanding the blow the whistle early to avoid pile ups where injuries often occurred but still benefit like  a game.


After seeing Texans lose their starting RB and the Lions lose 2 starters I don't think it's a bad idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2019, 07:03:18 pm
Here it is:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-spt-bears-colts-eddy-pineiro-joel-iyiegbunwe-20190825-z2zmc55s6bet5o3kdbvub6xomu-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2019, 10:24:47 pm

Bears got to hope that other teams are as deep at offensive tackle and corner as the Bears are at running back.

If the Bears keep 4 half backs, would either Nall or Whyte stick on the practice squad?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 25, 2019, 10:30:42 pm
I don't think so.  If they have to choose, I hope they choose to keep Whyte.  Naa. will probably be decent.  Whyte could wash out, but he could be special.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 26, 2019, 12:18:06 am
Bears do have a problem at backup OT. Even when healthy Coward stunk. The coaches developed some weird fetish over Coward that made them blind to his game film.

Yeah, backup Corner a problem, but I liked what I saw of Toliver last year. Nickle back is a big ?

TE is a worry, I fear Shaheen is a bust.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 26, 2019, 12:33:47 am

Agree, except for Shaheen.

If Bears coaches were concerned about him you'd see him in the preseason games competing with the free agents.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 26, 2019, 05:55:33 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sports-illustrated-predicts-bears-finish-025218470.html

This guy is trying to sell viewership.  Bears 4th in the NFC central...hopefully someone hangs this one in locker room.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 26, 2019, 07:16:56 am
Probably who Oddo works for. Just a bunch of morons. Do they have a line in Vegas on that yet?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 26, 2019, 09:49:49 am
SI has been irrelevant since they got in to politics.

Explain to me who will score on the Bears D? Bears O will only get better this year.

At least we did not get the SI jinx.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 26, 2019, 10:06:01 am
https://wgnradio.com/2019/08/25/hoge-what-i-learned-from-watching-every-pass-mitch-trubisky-threw-in-2018/

A pretty good breakdown.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 26, 2019, 10:31:39 am
He's a 3rd year QB with a great coach. 14 games played - 24 TDs and 95.7 QB rating. Erin Rodgers had a 97 QB rating last year.

2nd year. Rodgers didn't play much his second year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 26, 2019, 10:36:13 am
So now is anyone upset with the Bears not landing Kaare Vedvick? He missed 2 kicks this week. He might get cut and the Queens lose a 5th rounder.

Pinero looks better and better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 26, 2019, 10:56:37 am

Since Vedvick might not beat out kicker Bailey or punter Wile, Minnesota now has a guy who can backup both positions on their 53 man roster!

Maybe the media can quit focusing on the Bears placekicking issue now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 27, 2019, 07:18:32 am

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Season-ending quad injury for tackle T.J. Clemmings suffered in  win at Indianapolis Saturday.  Recovered from   '18 ACL playing for Raiders to earn a shot w/Bears. OLB Aaron Lynch(shoudler) and WR Anthony Miller(ankle) returned in a limited capacity.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2019, 07:29:47 am
Clemmings wasnt any good before the injury. We need to stop crying about the injury and go find an OT. Clemmings wasnt the answer before the injury, not that I want somebody to go on IR.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2019, 09:39:33 am
I got your double doink Packer fans, come and get it:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/26/watch-nbc-promotes-bears-vs-packers-season-opener-by-mocking-double-doink/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 27, 2019, 09:45:25 am
They way I understand it from Vikings fans it's a blessing he is hurt.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2019, 09:51:21 am
Clemmings wasnt any good before the injury. We need to stop crying about the injury and go find an OT. Clemmings wasnt the answer before the injury, not that I want somebody to go on IR.

I don't remember much about Clemmings play.  Lucas was among the Bears worst LTs in preseason history.  Coward struggled in game 1 but was better in game 2.  But he has only played RT and now he's injured.  I think the Bears staff like his potential.

I'm thinking the Bears will take another good look at the rookie Bars in game 4.  Even though he doesn't have prototype arm length, he held his own in the second half of game 3.   If that doesn't work out the Bears will go shopping after the 53 man rosters are announced this weekend.   There's got to be serviceable tackle available among the cuts that's better than our backups.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2019, 09:54:49 am
Bars is a OG, not a OT. I doubt he has the quickness to play outside.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2019, 09:59:29 am
I dont recall Bars playing tackle at Notre Dame. Bars could be a candidate for the PS
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2019, 10:35:14 am

Bars played RT his sophomore year at ND.  He wasn't drafted because he tore up his knee his senior year.

Bars makes the 53 man roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2019, 11:38:11 am
I dont believe he makes the roster as a swing tackle. Sorry, good try. And personally he wasnt a good OT either.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 27, 2019, 12:56:07 pm
I dont recall Bars playing tackle at Notre Dame. Bars could be a candidate for the PS

I dont believe he makes the roster as a swing tackle. Sorry, good try. And personally he wasnt a good OT either.

So you don't recall him playing tackle in one breath, and then in the next breath state that he wasn't a good OT...

Which one is it?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 27, 2019, 01:05:36 pm
Bars looked quicker and more capable playing left tackle last week than the other back up tackles.

According to one of the sports writers interviewed on the score this morning everyone is looking for backup tackles so don't count on finding one cut.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on August 27, 2019, 01:55:47 pm
How much would it take to land Trent Williams?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2019, 02:01:48 pm

I'm not saying Bars is some future stud tackle, but he may be our best option right now.  But as always when folks here poo-poo some player, I ask, who do we have that's better?

Granted, Bears may sign or trade for a swing tackle, but based on what I've seen I think Bars makes the team along with Ted Larsen.  Larsen will be the first guy off the bench if we have a guard or center hurt but Bars could help us down the road.

As for Trent Williams - doubtful.  We already have two tackles that are getting paid starter money.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2019, 06:06:43 pm
So you don't recall him playing tackle in one breath, and then in the next breath state that he wasn't a good OT...

Which one is it?


I watch a lot of ND games. ND Oline hasnt been very good and its difficult to put the blame or fame on any one individual. In fact ND hasnt been very good. I dont slow down Oline play to determine which player isnt very good. Their schedule lately hasnt been very strong yet their record is lackluster. Nelson was very good and he covered up for a lot of issues. And I dont remember any anouncer lauding Bars's play.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2019, 08:19:07 am
From the Trib:


The Bears are hurting at swing tackle.

T.J. Clemmings is out for the year with a quad injury suffered against the Colts, Nagy announced Monday. Rashaad Coward, who converted from defensive line to offensive line last season, injured his left elbow against the Giants. He has been sidelined while wearing a large brace, and while Nagy said he is improving, he is not close to returning this week.

So that leaves the Bears searching for options.

Nagy said Alex Bars, an undrafted rookie out of Notre Dame, likely will work more at tackle this week after playing there against the Colts. Bars started 12 games at right tackle for Notre Dame in 2016 before he moved back to guard in his final two seasons.

After reviewing the film of the Colts game, Nagy said he saw some promise in Bars’ performance.

“You could see that he did some good things there,” Nagy said. “We just want to see him keep growing and see what he can do. But I liked what I saw, so we’ll get him going there a little bit more.”


But according to this he hasnt played left tackle. Playing left tackle is way different than playing right tackle. Plus there are more speed rushers something Bars MAY not be equipped to handle. To be a swing tackle you have to be able to play both sides. We found that out with playing Leno on the right side. The blocking schemes are different.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2019, 09:05:25 am

And again I ask who do we have on the team right now who is better?

I still contend that Bars makes the team.  If he can handle the swing tackle, which I think is a little much to be asking a rookie undrafted FA who has played one half of preseason ball at the position, that's a huge bonus.

As I said previously, I think the Bears will be active this weekend, and not just at swing tackle.  Maybe cornerback too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2019, 09:09:12 am

Bears can't keep 5 halfbacks.  It's going to come down to Ryan Nall or Kerrick Whyte.

If I had a game and needed to choose between the two for a starting halfback I'd go with Nall.  But we got 3 guys in front of those 2 already so you have to look at potential and special teams.  I think they'll choose Whyte.

Too bad cuz Nall showed that he can catch the ball out of the backfield and has power in short yardage (on that TD run that was called back).

We'll see if either plays in game 4.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on August 28, 2019, 10:38:22 am
 Maybe they need to ask Bradley Sowell to gain 30 lbs. in a hurry?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on August 28, 2019, 11:55:14 am
Could Long switch in a pinch? There was always talk of Long going to left tackle when they first drafted him. I doubt he is capable now. Long is 6'6" 313 so the size is there.

David Bakhtiari of the Packers is 6' 4" and 311 and consider one of the best in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2019, 03:48:16 pm

Long struggled in pass protection when was moved to RT a couple years ago.  Plus you don't want to sub out 2 positions on one injury.

It's not all height/weight.  Quick feet, balance, and surprisingly arm length sometimes dictate whether a player is a guard or a tackle.

Charles Leno is only  6-3 but has 34 3/8" arms.  Anthony Bars is 6-6 but has only 32 3/4" arms.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2019, 04:11:48 pm
And again I ask who do we have on the team right now who is better?

Nobody. Thats the point. We'll see if Bars can handle LOT tomorrow. The whole point is we need a swing tackle because we have nobody.

When is the light going to come on Dallas?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2019, 04:15:44 pm
Interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/27/chicago-bears-injured-reserve-stash-coward-denmark-clemmings/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2019, 04:25:35 pm
I just think with how green Bars is and being Hiestand's "pet", I just think Bars winds up on IR. With Pace's IR history and the shortage of quality Linemen around the league if Bars is a liability at LOT they stash him for the future.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2019, 05:07:13 pm

Why and how could Bars be placed on IR unless you are predicting an injury Thursday night?  Guys like Denmark, who hasn't played a single PS game, you could get away with that.

And besides Larsen who do you have ahead of Bars as backup guard?  As I've said before Bars playing LT is a bonus, but he still fills a need as a backup guard.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2019, 05:17:04 pm

Seen several mock 53 man rosters now. 

Seems to be some disagreements at HB with  Nall/Whyte, ILB between Pierre, Woods and Iggy, OLB with Vaughters/Fitts and CB with Franklin.  I do not like Franklin.  But I saw one that had Lucas making the team at OT.  If he does...maybe i'll change my handle to dallaspacker.

But no one gives Marvin Hall a chance of making the roster.  I like his speed and would have liked to see him with Trubisky but the Bears may already be keeping an extra return guy with Whyte.  Maybe 7 WRs is just too much.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 28, 2019, 06:09:50 pm
They have liked Franklin in camp and he has good size.
Apparently Tolliver improved his deep pass coverage skills over the off season and I expect they think Franklin will improve.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2019, 04:57:46 pm
Dallas has likely seen this but it looks pretty good:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-bears-roster-cuts-real-talk-mitch-trubisky-20190828-45k7xpl42be2bnmtcvb2ue6wra-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2019, 07:26:16 pm
Piniero just shanked an XP...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on August 29, 2019, 07:34:45 pm
LOL
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on August 29, 2019, 07:35:56 pm
Are week to week contracts allowed in the NFL?  We may have to do that with the kicker this year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2019, 08:35:27 pm
12-6 at the half
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 29, 2019, 09:39:48 pm
Are week to week contracts allowed in the NFL?  We may have to do that with the kicker this year.

I think several teams will be.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on August 29, 2019, 09:41:07 pm
I feel pretty good about pineiro.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2019, 10:12:42 pm
15-19 Bears lose
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 30, 2019, 06:32:23 am
Seriously, please never ever let Wanny do any Bears broadcasting.  The only thing worse than him was that dopey other guy in the booth.  If it wasnt for Jim Miller I would have gone insane.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 30, 2019, 06:48:25 am
Dave Ragone was calling plays last night...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2019, 09:39:51 am

Preseason goal:  no major injuries

Accomplished

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 30, 2019, 11:24:08 am
Last year it was Floyd and Shaheen, so good point.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 30, 2019, 11:30:51 am
So I had a thought which is probably too common sense to work.

If you watched last night's game, I would be at best, the stadium had 10,000 people out of a 61,000 seat stadium.  So there are ticket sales, but no one is paying for parking or concessions.  Not to mention the local restaurants, etc are likely impacted as well.

Make it an 18 game season, make purchasing the preseason tickets at a greatly reduced rate and season ticket holders are given a choice to purchase them or not first.  If not, those tickets all go for sale at $30 or less.  Sell out the stadium to people that can't afford a regular season game, concessions, parking, etc.

You are gaining revenue by picking up an extra real game, and the public that typically couldn't afford tickets can attend a preseason game at something more reasonable.  Not sure that it would be a total offset, but a lot better than the garbage everyone just had to watch.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2019, 12:11:26 pm

It's tough enough getting through a 16 game season with a healthy roster - now add 2 more games and possibly playoffs?  I'd like 2 preseason games just to get a look at the new players then go on to a 16 game regular season.  But the NFL is all about maximizing profits - there's a fine line between profiting and total greed.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on August 30, 2019, 12:12:05 pm
Your idea might work, but with teams like the Bears not playing starters at all, I wonder how many people would actually go?  If a team was local, I might go but I’m not going to go too far out of my way to watch a game where the starters don’t play at least some.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2019, 12:21:18 pm
From the Trib:

Offensive line (8): Charles Leno, Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, Kyle Long, Bobby Massie, Ted Larsen, Rashaad Coward, Cornelius Lucas

Assuming Coward can return from his left elbow injury, believed to be a hyperextension, by Week 1 or shortly thereafter, he should make the roster — but I don’t think he blew anyone away this summer. Larsen is definitely locked in as the top interior reserve, and his position was cemented when he did not play against the Titans. The eighth spot on the roster is a real tossup for me, and I would not be surprised at all if before the middle of next week the spot is held by a player that has yet to be cut by another team. So the Bears have veteran Cornelius Lucas, undrafted rookie free agent Alex Bars and the mystery player behind Door C to choose from right now. I kind of like the idea of hanging on to Bars, now 12 months removed from an ACL injury that prematurely ended his final season at Notre Dame, and he can slide onto the practice squad. I think Bars has some upside and a little more time to return from the injury would benefit him before he has to prove anything on the field. Lucas has eight career starts dating back to 2014 but he’s bounced around for a reason — he’s not very good. I picked Lucas here because he’s got some experience, although I wonder if offensive line coach Harry Hiestand, who worked with Bars in school, would go the other direction.

When the Bears moved Rashaad Coward from defensive to offensive line, ‘at first I was mad.’ Now he’s aiming to become a Pro Bowl tackle one day. »
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2019, 12:26:01 pm

I haven't watched the game yet.  But I'm hoping the Bears benched Lucas not because they were saving him from injury but because he's...not good.

Putting Bars on the PS is risky - I'd put Coward there and find the best tackle prospect that is being cut from the other 31 teams' rosters.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on August 30, 2019, 12:39:41 pm
I think Bars has a spot locked up.  If they were thinking of hiding him on the PS he wouldn't have got all the playing time.  They were wanting to get him as much game time as possible at LT
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2019, 03:14:36 pm



Offensive line (8): Charles Leno, Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, Kyle Long, Bobby Massie, Ted Larsen, Rashaad Coward, Cornelius Lucas

Assuming Coward can return from his left elbow injury, believed to be a hyperextension, by Week 1 or shortly thereafter, he should make the roster — but I don’t think he blew anyone away this summer. Larsen is definitely locked in as the top interior reserve, and his position was cemented when he did not play against the Titans. The eighth spot on the roster is a real tossup for me, and I would not be surprised at all if before the middle of next week the spot is held by a player that has yet to be cut by another team. So the Bears have veteran Cornelius Lucas, undrafted rookie free agent Alex Bars and the mystery player behind Door C to choose from right now. I kind of like the idea of hanging on to Bars, now 12 months removed from an ACL injury that prematurely ended his final season at Notre Dame, and he can slide onto the practice squad. I think Bars has some upside and a little more time to return from the injury would benefit him before he has to prove anything on the field. Lucas has eight career starts dating back to 2014 but he’s bounced around for a reason — he’s not very good. I picked Lucas here because he’s got some experience, although I wonder if offensive line coach Harry Hiestand, who worked with Bars in school, would go the other direction.

When the Bears moved Rashaad Coward from defensive to offensive line, ‘at first I was mad.’ Now he’s aiming to become a Pro Bowl tackle one day. »


This is what I posted from the Trib yesterday
Offensive line

Charles Leno, Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, Kyle Long, Bobby Massie, Ted Larsen, Rashaad Coward, Alex Bars

From the game last night, Bars didnt look very good at LOT. they really need some help
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2019, 04:15:04 pm

Haven't seen the game, but I wouldn't expect Bars to be ready to step in at OT given his background.  The fact that the Bears are even giving him a look says a lot about the kid (or a lot about the Bears' desperation).

Ted Larsen is 32 and on a 1 year deal.  Kyle Long is 30 and has 2 years left.  Bars could be the future at RG.

My prediction:  Bars makes the team.  Coward is IRd.  Lucas is cut or maybe put on the PS.   Bears search the scrap heap and sign (or trade for)  a swing tackle.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 30, 2019, 04:52:41 pm

Did Marvin Hall play last night?  Just about every mock still has 6 guys with him the odd man out at 7.  I've said this for a while maybe the Bears keep 7.  He can return punts which takes some load of Cohen.

Patterson is a KO returner, and I don't remember Whyte returning punts in PS.

Offense and defense usually have 25 each:
QB=2
HB=4
TE=4
WR=7
OL=8

That's 25.  Could happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2019, 08:03:06 pm
Bars could be the future at RG.

I could envision that. He even could wind up as a swing tackle or a middle backup. I havent been saying Bars doesnt have talent. All I have been saying is that talent isnt developed yet, not on a team with Superbowl aspirations. He is a WIP. He needs time to develop. Can he be stashed? I dont know. Seems finding good Olinemen is tough. Since he is a Hiestand "protege" he seems to be worth keeping. He definitely has a lot to learn. He isnt ready for primetime. I'd hate to have to depend on him. New Orleans has a history of developing Olinemen. Pace may be onto something in Bars.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2019, 07:09:31 am
From the Trib:



The Bears began informing players of cuts Friday. Receiver Marvin Hall was among them, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. The Bears are expected to keep six receivers, with Javon Wims and rookie Riley Ridley positioned as the bottom two on the depth chart.

According to people with knowledge of the situation Friday night, other players the Bears plan to cut from the roster include: receivers Tanner Gentry, Joe Walker, Thomas Ives and Jordan Williams-Lambert; tight ends Ian Bunting and Ellis Richardson; running back Josh Caldwell; offensive linemen Jordan McCray, Sam Mustipher, Blake Blackmar, Joe Lowery and Tommy Doles; defensive linemen Jalen Dalton, Daryle Banfield, Marquez Tucker and Mathieu Betts; linebackers Jameer Thurman, safety Doyin Jibowu and cornerback Clifton Duck.

The roster reduction will continue Saturday. Stay tuned for updates.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2019, 09:43:06 am
With Hall cut that means an extra lineman or TE makes the team.  Or maybe Nall or Bray?

Biggest surprise is Bullard though there were a few comments by the media that he could go.   Do the Bears keep one of the young dlineman or a 5th inside LBer?


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on August 31, 2019, 10:36:01 am
Removing the players listed in that article plus Bullard leaves the roster at 68.

QB - 3
RB - 5
WR - 7
TE - 6
OL - 9
DL - 7
LB - 13
DB - 14
K - 1
P - 1
LS - 2
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on August 31, 2019, 10:40:46 am
Other cuts:

LB Chuck Harris
LS John Wirtel
DL Jonathan Harris
DB Stephen Denmark
DB John Franklin III
RB Ryan Nall

Roster stands at 62.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on August 31, 2019, 11:00:47 am
LB Kylie Fitts

Roster stands at 61.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 31, 2019, 01:12:14 pm
SCORE was talking about Bullard being cut.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 31, 2019, 06:24:35 pm
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/bears-announce-53-man-roster-x6606?fbclid=IwAR1bHH4R4QIbLPn60Tk79paL9GsFA54C_pyKPgNHGFTnmWBHRPHqq8Tf5hw
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 31, 2019, 06:25:22 pm
We let some good players go.  Some may make it to the practice squad but a few will probably get picked up by other teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on August 31, 2019, 06:26:16 pm
Looks like Bears went Lucas over Bars.  Also the current count is 6 ilb.  3-4 teams don't usually go with 5, 6 is a lot.  Maybe a Kwit trade coming?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 31, 2019, 08:19:22 pm
A couple of those guys are likely ST weapons...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 01, 2019, 07:36:53 am
Bummed that Vaughters didnt make the cut.  He flat out balled this preseason.  And Bars is assured a PS spot, unless someone else picks him up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on September 01, 2019, 02:39:39 pm
Practice squad:

Offensive lineman Alex Bars
Defensive back Stephen Denmark
Running back Ryan Nall
Quarterback Tyler Bray
Offensive lineman Sam Mustipher
Tight end Jesper Horsted
Defensive back Michael Joseph
Wide receiver Thomas Ives
Edge rusher James Vaughters
Edge rusher Jonathan Harris
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2019, 03:06:29 pm
Nice.

They also extended Whitehair with a 5 year contract.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 02, 2019, 10:18:44 am
I'm liking that practice squad.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 02, 2019, 10:22:52 am
Are you kidding me?  If this guy doesnt play Thu I say run him out of town:

Bears tight end Trey Burton had sports hernia surgery this offseason that kept him out of organized team activities in the spring and did limited practice work this summer while sitting out the entire preseason schedule.

There was nothing unusual about skipping games as the Bears held many of their key players out for the entire slate, but Burton’s status remains for Thursday’s opener against the Packers remains unclear.

Per multiple reports from the Bears facility, Burton did not take part in the portion of Sunday’s practice open to the media and there was not update on his outlook during head coach Matt Nagy’s pre-practice press conference. The team practices again on Monday and they’ll issue their first injury report of the season after that session, so there will be some light shed on Burton’s availability.

If Burton can’t play, Adam Shaheen, Ben Braunecker and Bradley Sowell would be the tight ends for Chicago.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2019, 12:00:28 pm

Pretty harsh.  If the guy is still injured he sits. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2019, 12:06:32 pm
Looks like Bears went Lucas over Bars.  Also the current count is 6 ilb.  3-4 teams don't usually go with 5, 6 is a lot.  Maybe a Kwit trade coming?

Left offensive tackle is a premium position on any team.  Guess the Bears' figured they need an experienced body there backing up Leno vs a converted undrafted rookie free agent guard.    Add in Coward's injury and availability and I guess I can see what went into the Bears' decision making.

But I still contend that Lucas is a below average talent - he just plays a premium position that is difficult to find in the NFL.

Pray that either tackle doesn't get injured this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2019, 12:11:42 pm

Most of predicted Vaughters would beat out Fitts.  What we didn't exepct was that the Bears would only keep 4 OLBs, put Vaughters on the practice squad and send Fitts packing. 

He's not even on the preactice squad.

Bears figured the 5th OLB wouldn't dress on Sundays and went instead with 6 ILBs figuring that the 4 backups would load up the special teams units.  Also with Kwiatkowski being in his contract year the Bears can compare Iggy, Woods and Pierre-Louis's play.   And if I'm not mistaken Trevathen is also playing on his last year.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on September 02, 2019, 12:46:17 pm
The one I am afraid of losing is Horsted.  He would make the tight end a devastating offensive position that we haven't had since we traded Greg Olsen a few years ago.

The system didn't know how to use him at that time, but this system will make Horsted a star if they can keep him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2019, 03:54:39 pm
Here is the latest from Pace today:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-bears-ryan-pace-mitch-trubisky-trey-burton-20190902-cednxf3sevgxbfcsgw3sdglxzu-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2019, 04:08:35 pm
Its time to rock and roll.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-bears-khalil-mack-aaron-rodgers-20190902-4yfnavpeqjbplbkgm2cclqjeua-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2019, 04:23:26 pm
If you are a Pack/Rodgers fan you might not want to watch Thursday. IMHO there is blood in the air. There is a lot of pent up emotion stored up from last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 03, 2019, 01:28:26 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yljz9FzS3co
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 03, 2019, 09:26:09 am
LOL! Yes, yes they do!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 03, 2019, 09:57:23 am
 ;D They do indeed  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2019, 09:58:46 am
Stayed up last night and watched the Packer/Bears opener from last season...just the first half.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 03, 2019, 10:28:58 am
Aaron will keep it close and will pull out a win if the Bears don’t bring their A game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2019, 11:06:32 am

Biggest change on Bears offense and biggest unknown is at running back - Bears are swapping Montgomery (and Davis) for Howard.  Of course Burton's availability could force another lineup change.  And last year in the first game the Bears started Kush at LG, but Daniels replaced him in the 2nd meeting.  Receivers are pretty much the same but I'd expect Wimms to get more playing time replacing Bellamy's snaps.  Just don't know how much Patterson will be incorporated.

We still don't know what to expect from the new guys in the secondary.  Clinton-Dix and Buster Skrine are experienced but still don't know how and when they will mesh with our secondary.  Everyone else is pretty much the same.  Bears might want to dress all the d-lineman and OLBs Thursday since it will be their first snaps of the season.

Packers are pretty much the same on offense.  They have a new RG and Marquez Valdes-Scantling replaces Cobb.  Allison is the 3rd guy, but the guy I fear the most aside from Rodgers is Davante Adams.

Packers defense has a lot of changes.  Two new safeties Amos and 1st round pick Darnell Savage.  And the 2 pass rush FAs Smiths, Za'Darius and Preston.  And I don't know who replaces the doubtful ILB Oren Burks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 03, 2019, 11:13:57 am
Going to guess there's going to be some mistakes from both teams without playing starters in the preseason. But if Bears put the foot to the throat of the Pack, there can be no letting up at all. Do not want to see a repeat of that first game. Put em in the ground, put a bolder over and sit on the bolder!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 03, 2019, 12:14:12 pm
I believe Trey Burton is out. Groin strain.


"When Burton missed Sunday’s practice with a mild groin strain he suffered last week — unrelated to the sports hernia surgery he underwent in the spring, according to the team — alarm bells went off. The Packers are coming to town, and an important weapon for the offense was a spectator for the first practice of game week.

But when the Bears took the practice field Monday afternoon, there was No. 80, participating in a limited role.

“Yeah so the mild groin strain was last week,” Matt Nagy said. “It’s just one of those things that it could have happened to anybody. It is what it is. It happened to him. Now..."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 03, 2019, 12:20:21 pm
No Way Jose:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/02/chicago-bears-green-bay-packers-week-1-nfc-north-espn/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2image

Packers arent good enough to beat the "House of David"

No "roid boy" Matthews either.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 03, 2019, 12:38:53 pm
Going to guess there's going to be some mistakes from both teams without playing starters in the preseason. But if Bears put the foot to the throat of the Pack, there can be no letting up at all. Do not want to see a repeat of that first game. Put em in the ground, put a bolder over and sit on the bolder!

Rip off Rodgers leg this time and beat him with it!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2019, 12:45:42 pm

One game at a time. 

If you listen to the media you'll get yourself all worked up for nothing.  Media's goal is not reporting accuracy but generating attention.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2019, 12:48:01 pm
Rip off Rodgers leg this time and beat him with it!

We almost did that at last year's opener but it still didn't stop him. 

Maybe we have to go after both legs.

(I'm thinking Brian Bulaga isn't getting much sleep this week).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 03, 2019, 01:00:25 pm
If Roquan Smith starts last year, we win that game. Aaron abused Kwiktoski last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2019, 01:38:04 pm

nav

As I said I didn't watch the 2nd half but I find it hard to believe that an ILB had that much responsibility in pass coverage to prevent Rodgers started flinging those intermediate passes that the Packer receivers RAC'd into TDs.

But I did notice that Roquan didn't come into the game until late in the first half after Trevathan got dinged up.  His first play he sacks Rodgers on a blitz.  Still he was only in on a handful of snaps throughout the rest of the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 03, 2019, 02:38:39 pm
Well Dallas I see you didn't watch the 4th quarter of last years game replay, better for your nerves.  Bears led 20-0 and all of the Packer's scoring was a fter a couple minutes into the 4th.
I did watch it and was reminded how Rogers got rid of the ball much more quickly than the first half.

There's Pagano who likes to blitz much more often than Fangio then there's Rogers who's the best at making defenses pay for blitzing.

I'm concerned about leaving the corners out on an island when they blitz.  I don't have a lot of confidence in Amakamura covering Devonta Jones in the open field.

At any rate, we have Mack in shape with a full training camp and the same for Roquan Smith.  Smith should make a big difference over last year.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2019, 03:59:22 pm

I saw the 4Q live - I don't need to see it ever again.

Devonte Adams can not only beat Amakamura but he can beat Fuller too.  Adams is that good - in my book among the best in the game.

Also, Floyd will not be playing with a club on  his hand like he did in the first meeting.  But he's going against Bahktiari so he will have his hands full.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 03, 2019, 04:27:31 pm
I remember Kiwatoski chasing guys from behind after they made several yards.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 04, 2019, 12:57:45 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmvLIL-7fus
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 04, 2019, 04:26:26 am
So much of the focus is on Packers offense versus Bears defense, but what about the other side?  I know it has been said that Super Bowl aspirations rest on Trubisky, but for this match up, no one is talking about it.  I thought the Packers defense gave us some challenges last year, but this is also year 2 in the offense for Trubisky.

I know we have been snakebitten by the Packers with their run on QB play, but this is the year to start taking that away.  Weather looks perfect for a football game Thursday night, and I am hoping that we have a significant, non nailbiting type of game coming down to the leg of Pinero. 

Leave no doubt!  Start a new narrative where everyone is talking about how you are going to beat the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 04, 2019, 07:23:45 am
https://sports.yahoo.com/why-the-bears-are-pinching-ourselves-over-rookie-rb-david-montgomery-000423986.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 04, 2019, 09:32:57 am
Some good points here:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/03/5-storylines-to-watch-in-bears-season-opener-vs-packers/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2019, 11:13:33 am
So much of the focus is on Packers offense versus Bears defense, but what about the other side?  I know it has been said that Super Bowl aspirations rest on Trubisky, but for this match up, no one is talking about it.  I thought the Packers defense gave us some challenges last year, but this is also year 2 in the offense for Trubisky.

I know we have been snakebitten by the Packers with their run on QB play, but this is the year to start taking that away.  Weather looks perfect for a football game Thursday night, and I am hoping that we have a significant, non nailbiting type of game coming down to the leg of Pinero. 

Leave no doubt!  Start a new narrative where everyone is talking about how you are going to beat the Bears.

You're right the focus is usually on the future HOF QB vs one of the top defenses in the NFL.  Bears offense was ranked in the bottom half of the NFL last year as was the Packers D so much of the hype is not with this matchup.

Key to Bears O and Trubisky's success is controlling the LOS and specifically Kenny Clark who is the only defender I'm concerned about on Packers D.  Will Nagy play it close to the vest at first, building up Trubisky's confidence with runs and passes behind the LOS?  Concern on offense is without Burton can the Packers focus on Cohen like the Eagles were able to.  Maybe Bears run with Montgomery and Cohen together in the backfield? 

Many games within the game.



Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 04, 2019, 11:35:22 am
If we are going to be a playoff caliber team, Nagy has to let Trubisky play the game and not try to scheme around him.  I think that hurt us in the Philly game.  Play the game!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 04, 2019, 11:37:42 am
If we are going to be a playoff caliber team, Nagy has to let Trubisky play the game and not try to scheme around him.  I think that hurt us in the Philly game.  Play the game!

Fully agreed. Cost us the Philly game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 04, 2019, 11:48:50 am
What's up with the NFL and media's love affair with the Peckers? 2 losing seasons in a row. New coach who I strongly believe has no business being a head coach right now - every other team wants a Sean McVay clone - his offense pretty BAD last year.

Yes the Peckers added defensive players, but they also LOST defensive players. They are also expecting some of the new guys to play better than they ever have and that just doesn't happen. Why did their previous team just let them go?

They expect Amos to be this great play maker all of a sudden and he isn't. He was our starter by default.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 04, 2019, 12:04:32 pm
Bears Injury report: Trey Burton (groin) practices for the 2nd straight day after being out for a week with a mild strain
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2019, 01:50:42 pm
What's up with the NFL and media's love affair with the Peckers? 2 losing seasons in a row. New coach who I strongly believe has no business being a head coach right now - every other team wants a Sean McVay clone - his offense pretty BAD last year.

Yes the Peckers added defensive players, but they also LOST defensive players. They are also expecting some of the new guys to play better than they ever have and that just doesn't happen. Why did their previous team just let them go?

They expect Amos to be this great play maker all of a sudden and he isn't. He was our starter by default.

Packer fans are one of America's teams - their fanbase is all over.  And two, Aaron Rodgers is a future HOF and is a face of the NFL.

Packers jettisoned some defensive players that weren't performing (Matthews and Nick Perry) or just getting older (Daniels), plus a few of their DBs that I can't keep track of.   The defense's main problem is they don't generate turnovers.

Kyle Fuller alone matched the entire interception total of the Packers last season with 7.  Of those 7 picks only 2 guys remain from last year's team with a total of 2 2018 interceptions.  So they bought some FAs (Smiths x2, Amos) and drafted another first round DB (Savage). 

They've been drafting DBs in early rounds pretty much consistently for 5 years.

Safety Savage joins last year's #1 Jaire Alexander and #2 Josh Jackson who join their top 2 picks in 2017 Kevin King and Josh Jones.  They took a break in 2016 but in 2015 they drafted in round 1 and round 2 Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins.

Yes, the Packers are a prime example of drafting BPA - NOT.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 04, 2019, 02:32:33 pm
There is plenty of tape of the Titan's offense, of course not with Rodgers running it.  But still.  That is the other thing I keep hearing about is the element of surprise.  Lafleur had unfettered control of the offense last season, so his work is out there to be studied.

I can not wait for this game to be played!  What's real, what's not, etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 04, 2019, 02:53:57 pm
That safety Savage they picked they could have had in the second round.

That Packers secondary is going to be atrocious. I hope Mitch is up to the challenge.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 04, 2019, 03:01:29 pm
Cant wait.  I think the Bears defense will smother the Pack I dont think the Pack Oline is that good any more.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 04, 2019, 03:11:25 pm
Put your beer down before watching.  Instant classic!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUnLwM1JfKI
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 04, 2019, 03:12:37 pm
I'll be at game tomorrow.  GOOOOOOOOO   BEEAAAARRRRSSSS!!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 04, 2019, 06:42:42 pm
one comment on the roster before the season starts:

picking Pierre-Louis over Vaughters was pretty inexplicable. Pierre-Louis stunk in the preseason. Vaughters stood out.

Coward & Lucas stink - the OTs better stay healthy. Bars' future is OG not OT.

I'm glad Ives made the taxi squad, he's tall (6'4) fast (4.48 40 dash) and can catch.

Horsted won't be picked up by another team - he needs to put on 15 lbs of muscle. Bunting was a good receiver at TE, but was terrible at blocking so Horsted made it over Bunting.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on September 04, 2019, 07:24:53 pm
I hope you are right, Bill.  But a lower level team can afford to keep Horsted on their roster while they wait for him to do what is necessary to succeed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 05, 2019, 04:05:01 am
I'll be at game tomorrow.  GOOOOOOOOO   BEEAAAARRRRSSSS!!!!!

Envious!  What did those tickets run?  They are reporting that there is more demand for this game, than the Eagles playoff game last season.  Have a great time and bring the board a win... for the Bears.  Not Otto.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2019, 09:35:21 am

Speaking of Otto, and I rarely do,  I haven't seen much of him recently.

A Bears win will keep it that way.

To bad we can't get insight into the Pack from him like we could from our old departed friend Packrat.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 05, 2019, 09:39:51 am
Pretty sad we've been together so long that some of us are 'departing'....PR and ACL...rip
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 05, 2019, 09:42:41 am
and the mysterious "Chiborg" death.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 05, 2019, 10:07:32 am
I always,always,always wondered about that. Some relative of Blanda ? The wife came on the site about his demise ? JJ thought he was a bot. Speaking of JJ, he ain't comin on no more? I mean,
start of new season and all.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 05, 2019, 10:34:26 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/9/3/20848346/bears-george-halas-walter-payton-statues-soldier-field

'Bout damn time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 05, 2019, 11:13:16 am
I was watching Bears/Packers from 1985 earlier this week, and I noticed Jim Morrissey running around wearing #51.

Why did it take the Bears so damn long to retire Butkus' number?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 05, 2019, 12:11:00 pm
I remember the night they finally decided to retire Sayers and Butkus - Wanny was coach (ugh!) - I think way over weight Jerome Bettis was our starting running back - the bears lost 33 to 6 to the Peckers.

This was 1994:

"At long last, the Bears will retire the numbers of Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers in a ceremony celebrating the two Hall of Famers Oct. 31 at Soldier Field.

Two decades after the game's prototypical middle linebacker and its most mesmerizing open-field runner hung up their cleats, Butkus (No. 51) and Sayers (40) will be honored, fittingly, during the nationally televised Monday night home game against Green Bay. They will become the 12th and 13th Bears to have their numbers retired."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 05, 2019, 12:11:20 pm
Maybe because there was a nasty lawsuit against the Bears for the medical treatment of his knees.
They used to drain fluid from his knees at halftime and shoot them upwith cortisone and pain killers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 05, 2019, 12:14:03 pm
Who is fired up for the game???? Can't wait.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2019, 12:16:44 pm
There were quite a few that wore #51 after Butkus retired.  Bruce Herron is one that I recall.

There may have been some bitterness between Halas and Butkus on financial matters/contracts that delayed the retirement of #51.  And that seemed to stick around even after Halas passed.

I think it was Ditka that said that Halas throws around nickels like manhole covers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2019, 12:18:19 pm

Just saw a blurb about the Raiders possibly suspending Antonio Brown.  Why do we care?

Bears own the Raiders #2 draft pick next year.  The more the Raiders lose the closer that 2nd round pick gets to the first round.  In a perfect world the Bears would get the the first and last pick in round 2.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 05, 2019, 12:19:48 pm
 I heard once something to the effect of since they already had so many numbers retired they were slow to retire numbers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 05, 2019, 12:20:45 pm
Back in the 1980's and 1990's the Bears always gave the reason of not retiring #s was - because they thought hey had retired too many #s.

We are going to run out of 50's - Singletary, Urlacher....and maybe one day Mack.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 05, 2019, 12:21:32 pm
I heard once something to the effect of since they already had so many numbers retired they were slow to retire numbers.

You beat me to it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 05, 2019, 12:27:47 pm
Bilal Nichols is questionable with a knee.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2019, 12:34:49 pm

So that was BS that Nichols was being held out of practice for precautionary purposes because of the artificial surface.

That could hurt.  Bears d-lineman and OLBs spend a lot more energy than almost any other position.  Especially considering they didn't get any real game time in preseason they will need to dress all backups at NT, DE and OLB to make it through this game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 05, 2019, 01:20:18 pm
AHHHPP! he has a knee

Old Wanny reference  ;D :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on September 05, 2019, 03:50:59 pm
 davebear,wasn't chiborg supposedly an ex Bear,at least as I recall?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 06, 2019, 07:46:50 am
Well, that game sucked ass offensively for sure....

If there was one play that summarized the Bears O it was the Patterson run for a loss up the middle on 3rd and short. WTF is Nagy thinking with THAT ? It seemed that the wrong players were on the field most of time time (Davis instead of Montgomery, Patterson instead of Miller/Wims, Shaheen instead of anyone **** else.) running head scratching plays.

Special teams (return game) still riding the short bus it would appear...

On that 1st and 20 I yelled run the ball. On that 1st and 30 I was yelling run the ball. On the 1st and 40 I was yelling run the ball. After that drive I knew the game was a foregone conclusion. Turned it on record and went to bed and watched it this morning from that point on. I was not suprised by the ending.....

Best comment I read this morning was "Its too bad the starting Offense had no way to get some live practice game-time in a game where the score does not matter).

I think the O will get better (so so rusty). The D did NOT regress. And the Bears are 100% on FGs this season. One loss a season does not make. We'll see if the Bears offense can score and take time off the clock (RUN THE GODDAMN BALL) and keep the D from goldfishing in thin mile high air of Mile High next week....

The rollercoaster of the NFL season has ARRIVED !

Go Bears !
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 06, 2019, 09:45:49 am
My two cents....

1. Terrible play calling. Didn't quite understand it. VERY conservative - reminded me of the Eagles game, but worse.
2. They gave up on the run - but we really do not have any runners now - WTF
3. I felt the line was terrible - pocket collapsed all the time
4. Mitch was horrific. Guys wide open and he stuck with his primary receiver all the time - many times the primary was double covered. One play he was looking to his left and Robinson was wide open deep and he threw to a covered guy.
5. WHY was Deon Bush on the filed during the Green Bay TD drive? He made no effort on Graham's TD. He also screwed up another long play - like Rodgers was going after him.
6. Our pass rush was non-existent in the second half.
7. Miller and Patterson barely touched the ball.
8. We made no adjustments to the Packers D. The fact the Packers had a bunch of new guys really screwed us up I think - bad coaching.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2019, 10:54:59 am

Davis and Montgomery had 11 combined rushes.  Cohen zero.

Rodgers had so much more time when he used play action.  Trubisky is constantly in shotgun all by himself. 

And when you've got 3rd and inches - how about the old QB sneak instead of having the QB run around 5 yards behind the LOS hoping he fakes out a DE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on September 06, 2019, 12:20:58 pm
Nagy is the worst playcaller in the NFL not employed by the Houston Texans.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 06, 2019, 01:25:26 pm
It's funny....a friend of mine said the Bears O looked like an O playing their FIRST Pre-season game. What a concept.

Nagy needs to re-think the pre-season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on September 06, 2019, 07:53:12 pm
Either that, or he should rethink the first game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on September 06, 2019, 08:09:00 pm
The bear offensive line looked that way because the Packer defensive front was kicking their collective assses.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 06, 2019, 08:47:22 pm

Both d-lines dominated.  Your so-called all-pro .Bakhtiari had 2 holds and I don't know how many sacks and pressures he gave up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 07, 2019, 05:38:14 am
Bakhtari had 3 holds, the Bears declined one for the Packers to punt.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 07, 2019, 06:09:29 am
It's funny....a friend of mine said the Bears O looked like an O playing their FIRST Pre-season game. What a concept.

Nagy needs to re-think the pre-season.

That's exactly what I thought when I was watching the game..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 07, 2019, 06:42:34 am
Heheh. I told my friend the same thing at lunch yesterday. Great minds :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2019, 10:25:37 am

There's no right answer about the PS games.  What's the right amount of time in PS games for your starters?  1 or 2 series?  1 or 2 quarters?

You think the Texans would take an opening game loss vs having Lamarr Miller healthy for the rest of the season?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 07, 2019, 11:07:07 am

Antonio Brown flat out released by the Raiders.   Figured they could have got something for him - even a late round draft pick.

So....are the Bears interested?  He's a talent but he's ...well....Antonio Brown.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on September 07, 2019, 11:20:21 am
Not only no but he’ll favcking no!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 07, 2019, 12:44:28 pm
There's no right answer about the PS games.  What's the right amount of time in PS games for your starters?  1 or 2 series?  1 or 2 quarters?

You think the Texans would take an opening game loss vs having Lamarr Miller healthy for the rest of the season?

Injury is part of the game. Yes, I would play the starters at least a quarter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 07, 2019, 01:24:00 pm
The raiders 2nd round draft pick we got in the Mack trade is looking a lot better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 07, 2019, 06:19:34 pm
He signed a 1yr deal with NE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2019, 07:50:24 pm
Another Patriot ring? Brady ought to love it?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 08, 2019, 06:50:56 am
Dang, maybe I should have held on to Brady!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 08, 2019, 10:37:55 am
Bears O out gained the Packers O. Packers O just as bad. Bears had a chance at a TD - ended up as an INT. And several chances to kick field goals.

Not sure why Deon Bush was on the field for Grahams TD - you would think a safety could cover Graham. Bush lets him catch the ball.And during that drive Mack and I Smith were out for a lot of it.

Can't run the ball 16 times and win.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 08, 2019, 11:33:08 am
Not much love for the Bears today. The city will be ready to lynch Nagy if they don't make the playoffs..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 08, 2019, 04:37:00 pm
Yeah if they waste this defense with some non functioning cuties offense, fans will revolt.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 08, 2019, 05:28:27 pm
Not sure who is getting more hate...Nagy  or Joe Maddon.

Anyway one troublesome stat...ZERO turnovers. Fangio's D lived on turnovers - Pagano's produced zero this game. I hope this does not haunt this team - turnovers were mostly why they won 12 games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 08, 2019, 07:25:46 pm
Aaron doesn’t usually give the ball away.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 09, 2019, 08:41:32 am
I am still white hot livid about the loss to the Packers.  I still refuse to believe that their defense is that good to keep a team at home from scoring more than 3 points.  It is annoying that we have to wait until a 3PM CT start to see if the Bears can get their sh!t together.

And when I see articles titled "Houston Texans lucky to have Deshaun Watson over Mitchell Trubisky" in my inbox and see Mahomes starting where he left off without his number 1 wide receiver, I try to block it out.  But Trubisky's inability to not lock onto a 1st read that is double covered just brings up those demons again.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 09, 2019, 09:07:17 am
As I've said. I think this season is it, sink or swim for Mitch.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2019, 09:27:21 am
I have never been sold on Mitch coming out of college. I think thats  a good  idea to move on from Mitch after 2 years. But I find it difficult to move on from him due to no #1 pick to invest. Sometimes you get lucky like the Cowgirls with Prescott, but IMHO finding gold is pure luck especially the way college QBs are these days.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2019, 11:19:42 am
Mitch did actually do a pump-fake in that game - and then hit his target - he's gotta study the wiley veterans' tactics - but even Rodgers was not completing much against the Bears D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 09, 2019, 11:47:57 am

It's easy to blame the QB and the HC and they are not blameless.  But I looked at a highlight that focused on Preston Smith's and the Packer's pressure on Trubisky.  Trubisky had more pressures in last Thursday's game than he had in the 2 games last year.  I had given the O-line a passing grade but after further review - they struggled.  Leno struggled with penalties and pressure.  Daniels and Whitehair looked like they had their problems too, probably due to their new positions.    I know Long had a hold.  Massie may have had the best grade.

Many  here won't give credit to the Packer's DBs, but if you watched the game you could see the Packers were right on the Bears receivers at the snap.  And a lot of the Bears receptions were acrobatic catches or just a millisecond before a Packer closed in.

The only way the Bears might have been more effective was to pound the ball more and take advantage of the smaller DBs that replaced LBs.   This opens up play action and also doesn't place as much pressure on the O-line when the defense is just pinning their ears back when they see Trubisky back there alone in shotgun.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 09, 2019, 11:48:51 am
Mitch rarely looked for a secondary receiver and forced the ball many times. BUT, the O-line was horrific.

Mitch looked like he took a major step backwards - not good. He needed pre-seasons games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 09, 2019, 02:11:35 pm

It's hard to say that Mitch didn't see secondary receivers.  Maybe he did, and maybe they weren't open?   Collinsworth mentioned a couple of times that so and so was open, but remember Mitch went back to pass over 50 times Thursday.

My issue with Mitch was more his pocket presence.  He's been better in the past moving around in the pocket and finding throws down the field or taking off for big yardage.

Rodgers didn't play in the preseason either, but he's been in the league 15 years.  Mitch has 2 years under his belt and looked like he, his receivers and O-line's timing was off.

With Broncos coming up next Sunday, let's hope Burton is good to go, Nagy commits more to the run game and takes pressure off Mitch, and we get some of our other receivers involved like Miller and Wims.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2019, 02:51:47 pm
Maybe they should shift the Oline back to where it was with Whitehair at center......
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 09, 2019, 05:40:03 pm
https://twitter.com/bn_bears/status/1171088762409050112?s=21
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2019, 07:05:31 pm
Whitehair made the pro bowl at center. At one point last season, Daniels and Whitehair owned the most consecutive snaps without a pressure from a center and a guard at the same time with 81 and 80, respectively. That’s incredibly impressive for that to be coming from two guys who are also great run blockers. But this season with the shift at Oline and the struggles in game one, the decision to move these two around may be reversed in coming games if the Oline struggles continue.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2019, 07:17:26 pm
Column: The Bears’ Week 1 implosion felt like the Fyre Festival. So what’s next for Mitch Trubisky and the offense?
 Dan Wiederer
By DAN WIEDERER
CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
SEP 09, 2019 | 11:56 AM
 
An odd vibe smothered Soldier Field late Thursday. In the fourth quarter of a huge game on a big stage, the Bears were driving. They were entering the red zone and knocking on the door of a potential tying touchdown.

It was the type of scenario championship teams live for, a moment confident crowds help fuel. Yet the energy across the lakefront was eerily muted.

Where there once had been deafening excitement, there now was just contagious apprehension. A game that had begun with Super Bowl hype, a season that launched carrying Super Bowl hopes, suddenly had way more anxiety than Chicago was prepared for.

First-and-10 at the Packers 16.

Opportunity.

Somehow, though, a once-amped crowd had been so disheartened over the previous 2½ hours that it felt like a fait accompli. The Packers’ seven-point lead felt like 40. The next disaster seemed inevitable.

Naturally, on third down from the 16, Mitch Trubisky stared right at Allen Robinson from the snap, allowed safety Adrian Amos to break on the corner route and threw a loss-sealing interception in the end zone.

The reaction proved apropos. Between the flustered boos, the distressed looks and the agitated disbelief, it felt like footage from the grounds of Fyre Festival.

Bears fans had signed up for an unforgettable and exhilarating experience. Alas — on the first night of the season, anyway — not only would there be no Major Lazer, no Instagram models, no party that was absolutely lit, there wasn’t even running water or electricity.

Looking for the VIP luxury villas? Sorry, all that’s available are rain-soaked beds in disaster relief tents.

That premium gourmet food everyone was expecting? Here’s your cheese sandwich.

The roller coaster
OK, so perhaps an important lesson was folded into Thursday’s demoralizing loss. The 2019 season, Bears fans were reminded, will not be easy for those with weak stomachs. It also might be hazardous for those who struggle to think critically, those who want their hearts to forecast the future rather than relying on sound and reasoned judgment.

Because, let’s be honest, for those who wanted to listen, there were warning signs throughout August that Trubisky and the offense weren’t going to instantly transform into the 2007 Patriots. This always was going to be a team with an elite defense waiting to see how long the work-in-progress offense would need to pick up some slack.

Offensively, it had become apparent this was going to be a bit of a roller coaster, particularly in the first month or so.

These are the things that can be detected over four weeks of training camp practices when there are too many days without much offensive rhythm; too many moments when a young quarterback appears to be scuffling; too many throws that land in the hands of defenders.

The idea of Trubisky becoming a true MVP candidate in 2019 was always fanciful, a premise based mostly on blind loyalty and promoted in pockets of the super-fan blogosphere. But promises of a major Trubisky breakthrough were also occasionally pushed by some in the media world who gleefully guzzled the Kool-Aid without reading the ingredients label.

Let’s not forget that Trubisky arrived in Bourbonnais and firmly asserted before the first day of practice that ball security was among his top priorities for camp, that he didn’t need the same leeway as he had in 2018 to make mistakes and test things.

“Taking care of the football,” Trubisky said, “will be more of an emphasis this camp.”

Yet when the interceptions kept coming throughout the Bears’ stay at Olivet Nazarene University, Trubisky’s most loyal defenders found the bargain bin of fallback reasons.

The Bears’ elite defense, after all, was aggressive and sharp and full of playmakers. Who was to say a young Peyton Manning wouldn’t have been throwing all those picks too?

And isn’t summer practice the trial-and-error lab where mistakes are not only insignificant but encouraged?

By Week 1, the reasoning went, the Bears will have their core concepts and bread-and-butter plays identified and be totally ready for action. Packers, beware.

Peer review
To be perfectly fair, there was little pointing toward a total meltdown by the Bears offense on the big stage of the NFL’s season opener. And we may get to January and look back at Thursday’s implosion as far and away the ugliest offensive showing of the season. (For the Bears’ sake, and for Trubisky’s sake, that better be the case.)

But the Bears coaching staff, and by extension the fan base, better adjust the immediate expectations for what their starting quarterback is capable of producing on a consistent basis. The Bears can still charge into the postseason and deep into January with this ridiculous defense and a sturdy running game that helps the offense become average or slightly above.

Meanwhile, Trubisky is talented enough and surrounded by enough talent in the huddle and in his meeting rooms to produce a handful of dazzling performances — maybe even one or two before the mid-October bye week.

Yet until further notice, it remains reasonable to trust the Trubisky assessments from those not intoxicated by Chicago’s grand hopes. Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young, for example, saw Trubisky with a chance to rescue his team in the fourth quarter of a big game last week. And then Young saw the 25-year-old quarterback throw that inexcusable pick.

“I want him to grow and start to be the reason why the Bears win,” Young said on ESPN after the game. “And what I mean by that is when they win a football game, you say: ‘Well, that’s Mitch Trubisky. He did that.’ And that’s the place he needs to get.

“Yet when the game’s on the line, when he can try to go win the game, he does a high school staredown and the safety moves over and he throws it right to him. Honestly, that’s criminal at this level.”

NFL Network analyst David Carr reviewed Trubisky’s season-opening struggles and was bothered that he was so frequently locked in on his first read and nothing else.

“And when it wasn’t there,” Carr said, “he panicked a little bit. … You’re going to have your first read covered up a lot of times in this league. You’ve got to be able to work through your progressions. That’s a little concerning.”

Packers cornerback Tramon Williams may have had the most damning criticism of Trubisky, offering a glimpse into the mindset of a defense that shut him down.

“We wanted to make Mitch play quarterback,” Williams said. “We knew they had a lot of weapons. We knew they were dangerous. We knew all of those things. But we knew if we could make Mitch play quarterback, that we’d have a chance.”

What’s next?
For the short term, Trubisky and the Bears will have to wade through the Week 2 pile-on and work to change minds. That’s the nature of this beast. And one abysmal performance to open the season shouldn’t be enough to send Bears fans jumping off a bridge.

In the coming weeks, an encouraging performance or two from Trubisky and the offense will come and steady the discussion. That’s both obvious and necessary.

But it’s also important to recognize what Trubisky’s profile is and has been around the league for some time now. Earlier this summer, veteran NFL reporter Mike Sando of The Athletic surveyed 55 coaches and executives to get a sense of which tier every starting quarterback belonged on.

Trubisky, per Sando’s appraisal, landed in Tier 3, lumped in with Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton and Marcus Mariota.

To reiterate, this wasn’t one reporter’s cockamamie no-homework-required ranking system. This was a snapshot of what the rest of the NFL currently thinks of Trubisky.

And after Thursday’s clunker against the Packers, those who need to see Trubisky’s breakthrough to believe it were nodding.


There are still worries Trubisky hasn’t shown the processing ability to be a surgeon from the pocket.

There is concern his confidence must be managed carefully on a weekly basis.

There are fears Trubisky ultimately might be a win-with guy more than a win-because-of standout.

With all of that comes the reminder that becoming an elite, championship-level, MVP-caliber quarterback — joining the ranks of Drew Brees and Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger — has a mind-bending degree of difficulty.

And the odds against Trubisky reaching those heights remain astronomical. Just ask Carr. Or Dalton. Or Mariota. Or fellow Tier 3 quarterback Jameis Winston.

This isn’t negativity. These aren’t scare tactics. This isn’t some fatalistic overreaction based on one night’s ineptitude. It’s simply a caution that a Bears team with a truly special defense might have to proceed with a middle-of-the-road quarterback while this window to win the Super Bowl is pried open.

Every die-hard believer and doubting detractor can process that however they wish. Just be aware of the risk involved in offering that deposit for a once-in-a-lifetime thrill ride in the Bahamas.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 09, 2019, 07:19:52 pm
I don't believe any of the o-line (starters) played in preseason. Offensive line needs time together to gel. I think it's bullshit to not play any starters during preseason...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2019, 07:25:19 pm
The thing with the Oline is they don't have all season to try to get these guys to jell. The season will be lost if they can't get it together and Trubisky, already incredibly shaky, is constantly battered and pressured and the run game doesn't get going. They'll have no choice but to switch them around. They ran the ball so ridiculously little this past game that it's hard to evaluate the run blocking situation.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 09, 2019, 07:25:50 pm
It was Daniel's first game calling the blocking assignments.  Maybe he was having trouble.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2019, 07:36:18 pm
Having to go to Denver and face Fangio and their D is a worry. Bears D needs to own this game....give the O time to figure it out....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on September 09, 2019, 08:09:30 pm
If we're going to have any chance this season, Nagy has to get his head out of his ****.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 10, 2019, 01:05:11 am

With all that pressure/blitzing from the Packers - did Nagy ever call for a screen pass?  I don't know if Montgomery and Davis can execute it but Cohen could.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 10, 2019, 11:11:24 am
With all that pressure/blitzing from the Packers - did Nagy ever call for a screen pass?  I don't know if Montgomery and Davis can execute it but Cohen could.

No he didn't. A lot very short passes instead of throwing down field.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 10, 2019, 11:14:56 am
Fangio lost to a bad Raiders team and gave up 24 points - Denver had ZERO sacks & zero turnovers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 10, 2019, 02:19:56 pm
Let's hope that holds out for the next game....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 10, 2019, 02:40:08 pm

I watched most of the game but I don't recall hearing the names Von Miller or Bradley Chubb mentioned hardly at all.  Or the ex-Bear Bryce Callahan...possibly injured...again.

Also, noticed the Broncos RT went out with a leg injury - Mack could have a career day if his backup starts.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 10, 2019, 02:49:12 pm
Based on an article I read, Calahan was hurt and the Raiders ran the ball and threw short passes to keep the defense at bay.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 10, 2019, 02:58:00 pm

Raiders were pretty balanced offensively.  Mixed up short and long passes and also ran the ball - looked to me about 50/50 run/pass.

Carr was extremely accurate - only had a few incompletes the whole night.  Flacco looked good but he doesn't move well and his statue if his receivers are covered.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2019, 02:54:04 am
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/khalil-mack-bears-packers-holding-penalties-missed-refs-thread-twitter
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2019, 05:39:46 am
Yup, Pack get away with that as I noted.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2019, 09:48:19 am

I'll take a look at this later but I don't doubt it one bit. 

I think Mack is so good - so unblockable that refs are giving blockers a little more leeway with their holding especially when blocking Sir Aaron.

I usually don't complain about holding - it's almost on every play.  But there was one that was not called on #99 Lynch of all people.  Bulaga  had a hold of Lynch's extended arm with both hands as he tried to sack Rodgers.  Unfortunately it was not called but what was called was Fuller grabbing Adams around the waist and giving the Pack a first down with the penalty.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 11, 2019, 11:24:40 am
Bhaktiari is allowed to hold every play. The Packers line has been holding for decades and the refs allow it.

Mike McCarthy even said basically - "they need to call, we do it until they call it"
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 11, 2019, 11:42:38 am
I know everyone is mad, sad, upset over a bad loss.....but here are some positives from the game. We just need to get Mitch playing better.

Stingy D: The Bears sit close to the top of the league in several defensive categories. The team sits in second place in yards allowed (210) and yards per play (3.7). They’ve also allowed the third-fewest points (10) and first downs (13). The unit was particularly effective against the run, allowing only 2.1 yards a carry, second-best in the league. Last season, the Bears finished first in the league in points, yards per play and first downs allowed.

Living in the backfield: The Bears’ nine tackles-for-loss tops the league. The Bears recorded five sacks against the Packers, good enough to tie for second place league-wide. Four Bears players recorded sacks: Leonard Floyd (2), Akiem Hicks, Roy Robertson-Harris and Aaron Lynch.

From the other side: Packers Punter JK Scott was forced into action a league-high nine times, which is a nice accomplishment for him, and an excellent accomplishment for the Bears. With the league’s top returner from last season, Tarik Cohen, this dynamic should factor into more games down the road.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on September 11, 2019, 08:16:13 pm
Packer line holding every play  LMAO



Idiot Packer fans said that about “holding” on Reggie White too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on September 11, 2019, 08:18:26 pm
Guys, you’re mad that any perceived gap between your bears and the Packers doesn’t exist and that we’re still better than you.


Deal with it better
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2019, 12:15:32 am
The Bears are a much more talented team then the Packers.  Except for at the QB position which is the most important position in football.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 12, 2019, 04:57:10 am
I was thinking about this.  Look where we are when the Bears are now despondent over a loss to the Rodgers led Packers.  It used to be, how bad are we going to get beat today.  Now, we have the huge expectation of a win, and the suffering of that loss.  There is no gap now, and the Pack took the first one.  See you in December.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 12, 2019, 05:04:26 am
I have always been pissed about losing to the pack, n matter how bad the Bears were..

I will always follow this up with- I hate the fukking baseball cardinals more than I hate the packers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 12, 2019, 10:12:13 am

chif

I'm with ya there.  Usually during baseball season the Cardinals are on the top of my $hit list.  But as football comes around the Packers take the top spot.  With the Bears and the Cubs being so bad over much of my life, I have spent almost as much time rooting against those 2 teams as I have rooting for my teams (usually during playtoff time).

Come to think of it, in the previous century it was the Vikings and Mets.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 12, 2019, 11:14:12 am
They were making excuses for Deon Bush being on the field during the only Peckers TD drive. Bush was responsible for Graham and did not defend the pass.

The DBs coach said Bush deserved the playing because "he had a great pre-season". (I thought pre-season did not mean anything to the Bears coaching staff?). And a preseason against mostly backups of other teams.

Bush has no business being on the field unless there is an injury or to spell a player for a play or two. I saw him screw up a play earlier in that drive as well. Rodgers KNEW to go after him.

Funny how Bush did not see the field again on D the rest of the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 12, 2019, 11:24:07 am

I don't know what defense was called in the red zone - was it 6 DBs?  Bears don't have a lot of options beyond the starting 4 defensive backs.  Skrine is 5-9, do you want him one on one with 6-7 Graham?

Bush is 6 foot and physical and might be the 6th best guy.  He did well replacing Jackson in the playoff game last year and had a nice preseason. 

So he gave up a pass to Jimmy Graham from Aaron Rodgers in the red zone - stop the presses.   Bears have much much bigger issues coming out of that game than Deon Bush.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 12, 2019, 01:19:51 pm
Dix was healthy. He shouldn't have been on the field.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 12, 2019, 03:14:39 pm
Bush was also on the field for the long completion that started the drive...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 12, 2019, 03:29:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1k_G9tIcgM
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 12, 2019, 04:04:46 pm
Well, VJ, you just exposed a big nail in the coffin for this season. A few more nails and it's done, over. Trubusty better get it together and very quick or we'll be staring at a lost season and the need for, once again, a new QB.... this Denver game has to be better, has to. But can it be with Tru not growing as a QB??
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 12, 2019, 11:31:29 pm
I just watched Jameis Winston and Cam Newton making the same mistakes Mitch is making.

It's a tough league to find a quarterback.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2019, 02:27:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1k_G9tIcgM

On Bush.  Pagano said that Bush replaced Clinton-Dix on the 3rd series because that's what they planned.  There was no injury.   They wanted him to get some playing time.

On the 47 yarder it looked like man coverage with Amukamora's guy beating him on a post route.  There were only 2 guys in the pattern.  Jackson had the backup TE on an out.  Fuller stayed near the LOS because his man Adams was faking an end around.

Not sure who Bush was covering but center field was wide open with no deep safety.  If Bush was in man coverage he might have stayed put since his man the TE Graham stayed in to block.

According to Pagano Bush might be getting more a series to himself in the future because he earned it with his play in PS.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 13, 2019, 05:36:22 am
On the 47 yard pass, I think it was Biggs in the Tribune that said Bush was kink of in no mans land, settling into an area that didn't account for anyone... just playing centerfield.  I also believe it was the 4th series, because if memory serves, they had negative yardage on the first 3 drives , and this was the 1st drive of the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2019, 09:49:43 am

I wish Bush was playing a little deeper center field! 

But again if the Bears were in man and your man stays in to block then that may explain why he didn't have anyone to account for.  The fake end around was a great play call by the Packers especially given our defensive alignment.

And Pagano said in his press conference that they were going to give Bush the 3rd series, but you are right the Bears stopped the Pack cold on the first 3 possessions - so it was the 4 possession.  But more importantly,  Pagano also said they will bring in Bush again in the future.

I know we want to see the starters in there on defense every play but guys get tired and you do want some of your backups to get some game experience in case they are needed later in the season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 13, 2019, 10:25:37 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1k_G9tIcgM

Well this was a very good breakdown, and pretty damning.  Nagy, lets help Mitch out, and Mitch, lets get your head on straight....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2019, 10:42:34 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/12/chicago-bears-denver-broncos-week-2-nagy-trubisky-burton/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2019, 10:49:21 am

I think the media has done a great job of over-analyzing and regurgitating last week's defeat - thankfully there is a game 2 coming up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 13, 2019, 02:40:33 pm
This vid is more glass half full with Trubisky.  You will see Leno getting beat by a safety blitz and Long and Daniels blocking air on a 3 man rush that almost got home...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbssdjaNhrU

Ok, now on to Denver...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 13, 2019, 02:57:28 pm
Funny watching Long slam into his own lineman. He had a bad game as did Leno as did the coach as did Tru. Stupid play calls, turrible line play, Tru going anal. All recipes for a big fat FAIL.





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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 14, 2019, 09:33:13 am
Fitzpatrick?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/13/should-the-bears-trade-for-minkah-fitzpatrick/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 14, 2019, 10:03:53 am
Not enough to trade with no first round pick.
Our draft picks are needed as they likely will not resign Long and Amakamura.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 15, 2019, 02:44:42 pm
We need to be saving draft picks, we aren’t going to be able to resign all the guys we have now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 15, 2019, 08:46:30 pm
I fully understand that. I get it. I was just posting someone elses musings. But OTOH it was strange to see Minka on the trading block.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 16, 2019, 11:20:46 am
I believe our problems on offense start with the offensive line. They have been just brutal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 16, 2019, 11:30:38 am
Some positives:

1. Pinero 3 for 3 - 2 50 yarders
2. I do not remember them calling Von Millers name once - I believe he made one tackle.
3. Mitch did not turn the ball over
4. Mitch did not get sacked
5. Mitch lead the winning drive
6. We were facing Vic  Fangio - WHO KNOWS how to stop the Bears O - huge advantage
7. We were playing in the high altitude which I believe is an unfair advantage - if you have ever been in the mountains you will know what I mean. We were substituting guys left and right.


Other notes:

1. How in the hell was Sanders open all game long?
2. That left tackle #72 on the Broncos held EVERY play and they refused to call it
3. We had 2 roughing penalties that were complete BS - although Denver had 1
4. Why is Mike Davis on this team?
5. Montgomery looks like a backup at best
6. It looks like Mitch has a hard time completing passes down field
7. Mitch has a terrible time finding secondary receivers
8. Burton was useless AGAIN - the TE is so important to this O and he did nothing.
9. Flacco forced a lot of quick passes that he luckily completed.


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 16, 2019, 11:43:08 am
It sounds like Mitch has to hit some long balls to open things up. Teams don’t fear the long ball so they can eat up the run and short stuff.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 16, 2019, 12:25:58 pm
I hadn't thought about Fangio. Your right, he would know. On to a better one next week.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 16, 2019, 01:14:11 pm

Montgomery looks like a backup at best

Kind of harsh.  I think he did more with less yesterday.  There were no holes on those plays near the goal when he scored the Bears only TD.

I haven't quite figured him out.  He's got OK speed, probably a shade faster than Howard.  He has a twisting style when he's contacted and he has the ability to make sharp cuts.

And he was drafted in the middle of the 3rd round - probably because he doesn't have game breaking speed.  But I like him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 16, 2019, 02:05:54 pm
Yep - we will see on Montgomery. Just my feeling after week 2.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 16, 2019, 06:05:45 pm
Montgomerys problem is Trubisky. Get Trubisky on track tossing it down the field and Mont will get on track. They're coming up to stop the run and don't respect Tru.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 16, 2019, 08:07:25 pm
A friend of mine who is not a Bears fan, but is a huge fan of the NFL, recommended the Bears trade for Eli Manning.  His point was we need a game manager because the defense is so talented.  I have to admit after pondering it, I think I agree.

Manning probably can be had for a 5th round pick and throw in if we win super bowl it becomes a 4th rounder. 

Not that Manning is great quarterback but he has the experience in big games.  He has been there before.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 16, 2019, 10:05:34 pm
And a plus is he knows how to beat NE....and it seems they're gonna be there at the end AGAIN....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 16, 2019, 11:13:53 pm
I do the Manning deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 17, 2019, 02:13:45 am
Oh man sober up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 17, 2019, 04:56:29 am
I know you guys are just talking, but no way in hell does a Manning trade happen. It's sink or swim with Mitch..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 17, 2019, 05:17:07 am
Yeah there's no way it would happen....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 17, 2019, 07:41:50 am
But just to play the devils advocate, if Mitch were to get hurt or have to go on IR, I would seriously consider the Manning trade option. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 17, 2019, 07:53:36 am
That’s the only way it makes sense, and then it makes perfect sense...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 17, 2019, 07:55:15 am
How much fun would Nagy have with Eli and his competent passing abilities???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 17, 2019, 07:57:35 am
IMHO, and I am laughing, even if Trubisky goes down I dont believe the Gi...ANTS do that deal
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 17, 2019, 09:20:22 am
Manning is benched in NY. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 17, 2019, 09:33:17 am
Hmmmm
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 17, 2019, 11:39:23 am
C'mon now, ain't gonna happen. The Bear star is hitched to mitch, we all know it. Watched some of the Browns/Jets game, the Bears weren't the only ones with kicker problems, and
I was reminded why third string quarterbacks are third string quarterbacks. Have fun getting beat to a pulp for that money Bell, 'cause your gonna. Get beat to a pulp I mean. Look
for 50 carries a game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 17, 2019, 11:50:01 am
What's it say when the head coach is supposed to be an offensive guru... Our O is terrible!!! We were lucky to beat another crappy team.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on September 17, 2019, 12:11:21 pm
  Eli Manning's contract demands would be way out of bounds for a backup QB,however,I do feel the urgency of acquiring a solid backup.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 17, 2019, 12:40:27 pm
I think i read he has $11mil left for this year and that is it.  If Mitch was out for the rest of the year, do you take a flyer on Eli or hope that Chase Daniel can pull it together???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 17, 2019, 12:46:06 pm
Chase Daniel proved he can't do it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on September 17, 2019, 12:46:39 pm
 I think I might offer something like a $5 million guaranteed and his full $11 if he plays in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 17, 2019, 12:48:12 pm
I could see the Jags making a play for Manning, unless they plan to trade Ramsey and go the rebuild route...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 17, 2019, 12:49:04 pm
Remember - we were playing Fangio - our old DC. He knows the Bears O almost as well as Nagy. Fangio knew how to make Mitch uncomfortable with crazy defensive looks and schemes.

We had no turnovers and gave up no sacks and had a chance to win ON THE ROAD at Mile High. Mitch led that win.

Now we play a crappy Washington team. Mitch does have to get better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on September 17, 2019, 01:01:12 pm
  All I know is with two 2nd round picks in next years draft we better focus on OT,CB and QB. In no particular order,but,I believe we have neglected OT for a long time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 17, 2019, 01:38:18 pm
Remember - we were playing Fangio - our old DC. He knows the Bears O almost as well as Nagy. Fangio knew how to make Mitch uncomfortable with crazy defensive looks and schemes.

We had no turnovers and gave up no sacks and had a chance to win ON THE ROAD at Mile High. Mitch lead that win.

Now we play a crappy Washington team. Mitch does have to get better.

The only problem I have with this is that pass to Gabriel when he was wide open and nobody was near Mitch.  That play haunts me, like last year.  If he doesnt do MUCH better on Monday, the natives are going to get restless.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 17, 2019, 01:50:54 pm
The only problem I have with this is that pass to Gabriel when he was wide open and nobody was near Mitch.  That play haunts me, like last year.  If he doesnt do MUCH better on Monday, the natives are going to get restless.

yes it's bad, but every QB does that once or twice a game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 17, 2019, 04:07:11 pm

Trubisky started out slowly last year then exploded in game 4 (Tampa). 

Line is settling down, play calling improved, receivers hopefully are getting healthy, and now Mitch needs to take advantage and produce like an NFL QB.

I've seen "Rusty Lisch", I don't want to see him again.  (Feel free to fill in your favorite POS QB from the last 40 some years between the " ").
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 17, 2019, 07:20:46 pm
Remember Quinn, what the fukk...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 17, 2019, 07:33:22 pm
There may have been none worse than Lisch, but there are plenty in second place
Gary Huff Mike Phipps Rick Mirer
Remember when Dick Jauron had guys like Henry Burris and Kordell Stewart and people on this board were blaming the coach for losing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 17, 2019, 08:28:17 pm
When you consider the money we gave him, Glennon was the worst one ever.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on September 17, 2019, 09:00:08 pm
As long as the dreadful Nagy is in charge, Mitch will never reach his potential.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 18, 2019, 05:45:50 am
Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 18, 2019, 05:52:55 am
Cade McNown
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on September 18, 2019, 08:13:17 am
NFC Special Teams player of the week:  Eddy "Dinero" Pineiro.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 18, 2019, 08:19:01 am
...following in the footsteps of a former Pro Bowl kicker and Special Teams player of the week last year who shall remain nameless :-)

Chad Hutchinson, Craig Krenzel, and rocket arm Henry Burris
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 18, 2019, 08:28:07 am
Dont forget the next Joe Montana, PT Willis.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2019, 10:10:22 am
Of course I had to add SOMEONE to the list to show that I too, am a long suffering Bear fan, but you guys had pretty much run the list. Googling names I ran across one that was an
eye opener I hadn't known about, current NO head coach Sean Payton was a Bear qb. He was a replacement player during the strike. Huh. Learn something new every day. My vote is a toss up
between Quinn and Gannon. Mitch is doing just fine.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 18, 2019, 10:21:52 am
From Biggsie's mailnag: (since we are talking about QBs)



"How long do you think it will it take for the Bears to figure out that Mitch Trubisky isn’t the answer at QB? I suspect it will be another two seasons after this one, which will be two seasons too long. I’ll check back with you then. — Jim V., Carol Stream

Here is what everyone knows: The Bears have made a massive investment in Trubisky and the front office is very interested in seeing him develop into a top-flight quarterback. The Bears are not going to panic after the first two weeks of the season, nor should they. It’s never a good idea to have a weekly referendum on the quarterback. If he goes out and throws for 300 yards and three touchdowns with no turnovers Monday night against the Redskins, does it mean everything is fixed? Not necessarily. It would take something shocking, in my opinion, for the Bears to look elsewhere for a quarterback after this season. Could it happen? You can’t rule anything out. Beyond 2020? That’s way too far ahead to speculate at this point, and the 2021 season would be the fifth-year option in Trubisky’s contract. Before the start of the season I said I believe we will have a very good sense of who he is as a quarterback when this season is over. The first two weeks have not been encouraging. There is a lot of football left to play."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 18, 2019, 11:15:43 am
Has anyone mentioned Steve Fuller? He's not quite as bad as some of the others but he was very frustrating to watch. Fukk, McMahon was always hurt, so in comes fuller. All it consisted of was handing off to Payton and Suey. I can only think of one game that I felt he was OK, 1984 at RFK (playoffs), I was there and we won.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2019, 12:20:30 pm
  All I know is with two 2nd round picks in next years draft we better focus on OT,CB and QB. In no particular order,but,I believe we have neglected OT for a long time.

I agree with cornerback, and I hope QB won't eat a 2nd rounder.  OT isn't an immediate need.  Bobby Massie is 30, just got a new contract and is playing pretty darn good.  You'd like to get a mid round project RT to groom.

But Bears don't have first rounder, or third or 4th rounder.  May have to trade down one of those round 2 picks into a couple.

The passing game needs help and unless I see something out of Burton or another WR, we need to add a receiver.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 18, 2019, 04:23:09 pm
TE, not wr. CB definitely
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 18, 2019, 11:01:05 pm
 It occurred to me that just a few years ago we had Brian Hoyer and Matt Barclay throwing to Kendall Wright, Josh Bellamy, Dontrell Inman and some guy named Deonta or Davonta.

There were games with passing yards of 297, 245, 222, 316, 354 and 318 from these guys.  Dowell Loggains was OC

Now we have the offensive genius coach, high pick QB, receivers targeted in Fa and a high draft pick for the third guy and we have trouble cracking 100 yards.

Go figure.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 19, 2019, 12:14:24 am
Column: Trust in Mitch Trubisky is dwindling. For good reason.
 David Haugh
By DAVID HAUGH
CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
SEP 18, 2019 | 8:00 AM
 
Chicago must stop making excuses for Bears quarterback Mitch Trubisky and start accepting reality.

Mitch has hit a glitch.

Trubisky has done nothing this season to deserve anybody’s unconditional love or unwavering support. Coach Matt Nagy said so Sunday — without saying a word.

A dramatic 16-14 victory over the Broncos in Denver included Nagy’s loudest statement yet about his dwindling trust in Trubisky.

Nagy called 29 running plays compared with 27 passes, a deafening vote of no confidence in his quarterback. The Bears’ downfield passing game was as threatening as a blue sky with tight ends and running backs targeted 17 times. A Nagy offense once described as dynamic and dangerous has morphed into something clunky and careful. And everything starts with the quarterback, who appears to have regressed.

In fairness, Trubisky made the game’s biggest play when he stepped up in the pocket on fourth-and-15, threw a 25-yard strike to wide receiver Allen Robinson and showed the presence of mind to call timeout with one second on the clock. That left enough time for Eddy Pineiro — as in hero — to kick the game-winning 53-yard field goal and save the Bears from a dreaded 0-2 start. But nine seconds of elation hardly erased 59 minutes of frustration for an offense going backward with Trubisky.

Before that desperation play, Trubisky had passed for only 95 yards. He overthrew Taylor Gabriel and underthrew Tarik Cohen. He locked in on his primary receiver too often. He demonstrated the inaccuracy that has become his most defining characteristic as a passer.

Nothing about the way Trubisky stood in the pocket projected poise. The Bears offense had little rhythm. This was a tentative quarterback executing a game plan as conservative as a gray suit, as if Trubisky had strict orders to not screw things up. This was a former No. 2 pick beginning his third year as an NFL starter looking too much like a rookie for team with Super Bowl aspirations.

Is this who Trubisky is?

I wonder if that question keeps Bears general manager Ryan Pace up at night. With so many young NFL quarterbacks emerging as the long-term answers for their franchises, Pace must feel somewhat impatient about Trubisky regardless of the happy face he projects publicly.

Trubisky’s sample size no longer is small, not with Monday night marking his 30th NFL start. After 31 NFL starts for the Bears — simply as a point of comparison — Rex Grossman already had worn out his welcome in town and defined himself as quarterback whose wild inconsistency kept his production from catching up with his potential.


It’s not too late for Trubisky to alter the arc of his NFL trajectory, but the expectations surrounding him make that more challenging. So do the realities of what the Bears require most from Trubisky if they want to return to the playoffs.

The revised 2019 job description for the Bears quarterback: Trubisky simply can’t beat the Bears the way opponents will continue to dare him. The Bears can fool themselves into thinking Trubisky is something he isn’t — a polished passer who shows command in the pocket — and force the issue or adapt their thinking to fit where he is in his career. Sunday suggests they will choose the latter.

Like the Packers, the Broncos defended Trubisky by setting an edge intended to limit his mobility. The book on Trubisky had spread around the league before Broncos coach Vic Fangio devised a similar game plan to what the Bears saw Week 1. Fangio knew from experience what Packers cornerback Tramon Williams announced to the league: “We wanted to make Mitch play quarterback.’’

The word is out on Trubisky, and Nagy reducing him to a game manager “playing quarterback” against the Broncos only will reinforce that belief.

The numbers say it’s hard to blame Nagy for showing such little faith in his quarterback. Trubisky ranks 31st in passer rating (65.0), 29th in passing yards per game (174) and last in average yards per attempt (4.8) — the most glaring statistic underscoring the safe approach. According to Pro Football Focus, 27.8% of Trubisky’s passes have been uncatchable — the second-highest rate behind Panthers quarterback Cam Newton. With the NFL’s best defense, all Trubisky needed to do was be a middle-of-the pack quarterback in 2019, yet he finds himself among the worst in the league.

The statistical evidence is as overwhelming and damning as the videotape. This isn’t the steady incremental progress Trubisky sought the day he reported to training camp. This is alarming ineptness. At this point, Bears fans can only hope Trubisky plays well enough to justify conversation next winter about a nine-figure contract with the team, but that’s an inappropriate topic until further notice.

To respond to the new reality, the Bears face some difficult decisions. They built a finesse roster full of offensive weapons to diversify Nagy’s scheme and complement Trubisky’s talents. But teams that rely on the run as much as the Bears did Sunday to protect their quarterback typically have a fullback under contract and more blocking tight ends on the depth chart. Quality depth at wide receiver means little if the quarterback can’t throw the deep ball. Forget about getting speedster Anthony Miller more touches against the Redskins; will blocking tight end J.P. Holtz be active?

The Trubisky challenge looms for Nagy, who famously has “BE YOU” written on his play sheet. Is Nagy being true to himself as a play-caller the best thing for this Bears team and this version of Trubisky? The Bears have scored 34 points in their last three games, including the playoff loss to the Eagles. They have averaged fewer than 20 points per game since midseason last year. Something’s broken.

Something needs to change — starting with the play of a quarterback who’s testing everyone’s patience.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 19, 2019, 02:45:55 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0AWA_i1jQ
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 19, 2019, 05:04:50 am
Thanks for posting video.  It basically reinforces my belief that Montgomery is going to be very special.  Our Online this year has sucked.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 19, 2019, 05:34:11 am
Leno is playing horribly. And our recievers are getting open but Tru has to SEE them when they're open. And of course the line has to BLOCK to enable him TO see the field and not be constantly scrambling for his life. The line play is a huge issue. Tru is a big issue. He threw some just absurd balls that should never ever be thrown. For this being his third year he should not be doing that. There has to be progress and for now, there is none but rather regression.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 19, 2019, 06:51:30 am
Although its Trubisky's 3rd year its in reality his second in the system. He's definitely having a sophmore slump to be sure.

The offense looking like it hasn't played since last season the last few weeks hasn't helped for sure......
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 19, 2019, 08:51:09 am
Leno had a bad game, but these are kind of damning numbers:

The numbers say it’s hard to blame Nagy for showing such little faith in his quarterback. Trubisky ranks 31st in passer rating (65.0), 29th in passing yards per game (174) and last in average yards per attempt (4.8) — the most glaring statistic underscoring the safe approach. According to Pro Football Focus, 27.8% of Trubisky’s passes have been uncatchable — the second-highest rate behind Panthers quarterback Cam Newton. With the NFL’s best defense, all Trubisky needed to do was be a middle-of-the pack quarterback in 2019, yet he finds himself among the worst in the league.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on September 19, 2019, 09:33:17 am
Mitch will be fine. He needs to play in pre-season
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2019, 11:32:54 am
This is interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/17/bears-bring-in-edge-rushers-shane-ray-noah-spence-for-tryout/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 19, 2019, 01:59:59 pm
Those are horrific stats by Trubisky so far.....but it's the receivers that are not getting open.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 19, 2019, 07:14:38 pm
Change the name from Trubisky to McNown and you guys are taking me way back..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on September 19, 2019, 07:29:57 pm
The consensus on this board after the first game was that Nagy made a big mistake because he did not try to establish the run.  Then he tries to do so in the second game and it is taken as a sign of lack of faith in his quarterback.

What was the Bear's record last year, and who was the quarterback?

Trubiskey may well be a flop.  But we are certainly not in a position to make an assessment at this point.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 20, 2019, 05:21:08 am
The offense is misfiring on many levels.  Coaching, QB, and offensive line.  It all needs to be cleaned up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 20, 2019, 07:54:01 am
My question is the QB doing poorly because the OL is suucking.  Cant run, so the D loads the box and pins their ears back, so Trubisky has no time.  Not saying this is the whole problem, but it seems to be part of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 20, 2019, 09:52:55 am
Not placing any sole blame on him, or singling him out, but Leno looks awful in those videos...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 20, 2019, 10:24:33 am
and Long is now on the injury report with a "HIP" problem. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 20, 2019, 10:58:27 am
Not placing any sole blame on him, or singling him out, but Leno looks awful in those videos...

But think if he alone was playing well. What a difference that would make..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 20, 2019, 11:32:59 am
It ALL starts with the o-line play.....O-line looks like they are still in pre-season. Sorry Nagy but you got play your starters in pre-season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 21, 2019, 11:01:48 am
the tape never lies says Charles Leno sucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0AWA_i1jQ
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2019, 11:15:41 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/20/5-bold-predictions-for-bears-week-3-matchup-vs-redskins/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 21, 2019, 02:55:10 pm
Come on man:

His skills are no longer questionable, but his knee currently is.

Bears kicker Eddy Piñeiro popped up on the final injury report in advance of Monday night’s game with a knee injury. He was limited in practice.

The Bears may need to make a roster move on Monday, if Piñeiro can’t go.

Piñeiro nailed a game-winning 53-yard field goal last Sunday in Denver, quieting considerably the double-doink noise from the playoff loss to the Eagles.

Defensive tackle Bilal Nichols is out with a hand injury. Also questionable are offensive linemen Kyle Long (hip), tight end Trey Burton (groin), and defensive back Eddie Jackson (shoulder/knee). Long was limited in practice on Thursday and Friday, but he did not practice on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 21, 2019, 03:49:11 pm
Good lord...seriously? Now we're going to lose the kicker we just found because of injury... ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 22, 2019, 12:23:16 am
Old Case Keenum has thrown for 600 yards 5 TD,s and no int's so far.

The national media has a win chalked up but I don't think this will be any easy game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 22, 2019, 02:03:54 am

I agree.  There are some predicting Trubisky breaks out with 300 yards passing and 3 TDs, etc.  Montgomery 100 yards,

Sure, I'd like to see all that happen but I haven't seen anything so far this season to expect it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 22, 2019, 06:50:45 am
This is the typical trap game the Bears seem to walk into time after time. (Expected to win by a comfortable margin but barely win or even lose).

For the Bears to reach the next level they've got to purge that from their system, put their foot on an inferior team's throat and beat the hell out of them. Anything less is unacceptable. Failure here puts the Nagy on the clock for being a "one and done" coach unfortunately....

Get your head out of your asses, your press clippings, get to work and kick ass ! That's all us Bear fans are looking for.

Go Bears !
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 22, 2019, 06:58:11 am
A few years ago, Keenum replaced an infeffective and injured Sam Bradford and beat our tails.  I will not put this game in the win column.  Stranger things have happened like our 14-0 deficit to the Cardinals before we rallied last season. 

Our offense is not in rhythm, and Keenum is dangerous enough to put up several scores, plus we are on the road.  Get the win, no matter how.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 22, 2019, 09:07:41 am
And don't leave out, we're on national television...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on September 22, 2019, 11:49:43 am
Quote
And don't leave out, we're on national television...

Someone needs to chek the redskins MNF record as of late.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 22, 2019, 05:02:04 pm
I don't think Trubisky will ever be able to live up to what we want him to be.  However he isn't nearly as bad as some make him out to be.

 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 22, 2019, 10:52:07 pm
We'll see tomorrow night. Gotta get this win with the rest of the division winning this weekend. Don't want to be two games down....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 23, 2019, 09:39:55 am
Interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/22/former-nfl-gm-says-bears-mitch-trubisky-lacks-instincts-to-play-qb/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Maybe this will show tonight.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 23, 2019, 09:56:17 am
That tape of Massie was godawful. He let his guy go.

The Bears have no starting running back - painfully clear. Jordan Howard would pound out 100 yards on 25 carries - we do not have a guy like that. Teams stop Mitch passing and that's it. Going to be a painful lesson for Nagy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 23, 2019, 11:21:37 am

I didn't see any tape but did you hear Von Miller's name mentioned much last week?  I think Massie is probably grading out higher than Long, Whitehair, Leno and Daniels.

I don't see anything from Montgomery that makes me miss Howard.  And I liked Howard but he's not a 3 down back unless he's pass blocking on 3rd down.

There's a book on Trubisky, just like there is on hot shot rookie baseball players that hit everything after getting called up.  Trubisky and Nagy have to be able to adapt the offense to what defenses are doing to stop it.  Otherwise it's going to be the same thing every week.

I know I sound like a broken record but get Burton and Anthony Miller as well as Cohen into the game plan.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on September 23, 2019, 12:30:59 pm
And add some deception to the game plan - Mahomes had a nice hidden ball draw play that fooled the Raven's D and half of the stadium

https://www.chiefs.com/video/patrick-mahomes-plays-hidden-ball-trick-on-9-yard-pass-to-travis-kelce

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 23, 2019, 03:37:24 pm
Sowell TE experiment is over.  DT Abdullah Anderson promoted from PS and takes his place on the active roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 23, 2019, 10:59:38 pm
Ha Ha
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 24, 2019, 11:09:05 am
Washington notes.....

1. Mitch played better - the the interception was unacceptable. He missed some wide open receivers. He needs to run more.
2. Montgomery needs to run the ball 25 times a game. Still not enough runs.
3. I did not like the soft defensive play in the second half - the old bend don't break. Almost let Washington back into the game.
4. I love how we ran out the clock at the end - sign of good foot ball team.
5. The defense is still not running on all cylinders.

I hope Hick's knee is not that bad. Gabriel may have a concussion. Hopefully Pienero's knee is better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 26, 2019, 12:54:48 pm
It almost seems like Trubisky is being "over coached"

When plays break down and he's left to figure it out for himself, (such as the TD on the deep pass to Gabriel,) he makes plays
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 26, 2019, 04:32:24 pm
Kerrith Whyte gone, Bradley Sowell back...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2019, 12:10:51 am

Practice squad?

And did Sowell put on 30 lbs while he was off the team?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 27, 2019, 07:15:02 am
I know a good all you can eat buffet.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 27, 2019, 10:42:21 am
Just eat lots of Lou Malnati's  pizza!!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on September 27, 2019, 10:43:22 am
Did Whyte sign with someone else, or will he be on the practice squad?  I would hate to lose him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2019, 10:52:28 am

I dunno.  I think Nall, who Whyte beat out, is already on the PS.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2019, 01:06:07 pm
After watching the Eagles play last night dont ya just wish Howard was still a Bear? Didnt he look like what our offense is missing?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2019, 01:49:14 pm

What our offense was missing was an offensive line blowing the Packers off the line of scrimmage.  Miles Sanders, the other back, added 72 yards at 6.5 yards a crack.

And Howard's prior 2 games were nothing to write home about.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2019, 01:50:10 pm
Love Lou Malnati's! Sounds like Illuminati  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 27, 2019, 03:51:28 pm
The Tape Never Lies guy says Kyle Long was horrific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCO8qiZCDLM
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2019, 04:24:03 pm
Is Heistand working with these guys or is he on vacation in Hawaii?? What is WITH this line play?!? It has been horrid now for three weeks straight! Long just looks like he needs replaced. We're going to need a OG AND a OT. They are just sucking like crazy. I keep hearing 'if we had kept Howard...' blah blah. It AIN'T the RB! It's the frigging LINE!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 27, 2019, 05:07:37 pm
Long has a hip injury and I'm sure they're considering larsen.
Sunday could be a rough day against the best front 4 in the league.
Hicks is a game time decision and Nichols out.

Would love to see a win but Bears are in a bad state.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2019, 07:13:38 pm
Is Heistand working with these guys or is he on vacation in Hawaii?? What is WITH this line play?!? It has been horrid now for three weeks straight! Long just looks like he needs replaced. We're going to need a OG AND a OT. They are just sucking like crazy. I keep hearing 'if we had kept Howard...' blah blah. It AIN'T the RB! It's the frigging LINE!

Exactly. The Eagles Oline was opening the holes for Howard.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2019, 07:18:14 pm
Long has a hip injury and I'm sure they're considering larsen.
Sunday could be a rough day against the best front 4 in the league.
Hicks is a game time decision and Nichols out.

Would love to see a win but Bears are in a bad state.

Which goes back to my comment above that a win Sunday would approach a miracle, which got blasted. Honesty is such a tough stance to take
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on September 27, 2019, 08:38:47 pm
What our offense was missing was an offensive line blowing the Packers off the line of scrimmage.  Miles Sanders, the other back, added 72 yards at 6.5 yards a crack.

And Howard's prior 2 games were nothing to write home about.

What our offense is missing is someone other than Matt Nagy in charge.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 28, 2019, 10:05:50 am
I knew the OL was bad, but wow, if Long doesnt improve dramatically, he needs to sit, whatever the cost. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2019, 10:49:17 am
If he doesnt round up into all-pro form he needs to be replaced after his contract is up
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 29, 2019, 06:36:05 am
If he doesn't step up his game this season is going down the tanks offensively......

Stephen Hawking could've gotten 10-15 yards  through some of those holes the Eagles line plowed through the Packers D....

The great thing about a football play is that it takes all 11 guys to perform well (well and the play call itself of course). Ten guys can do a great job, but one screwup can mess the whole play up. Its the ultimate team sport....

Bear Oline today has to get their heads out of your asses and put the Vikings on their asses today...

Go Bears !
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on September 29, 2019, 09:27:03 am
You gotta remember Cousin can't handle the heat. I believe our D sets up several scores. We win this like 17 to 13. Close, but a win. Just win baby!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 29, 2019, 09:35:55 pm
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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 01, 2019, 11:43:16 am
I have heard that is not Smith's car.

What I have heard for the last week Smith was not acting like himself at Halas Hall. Too many hits to the head?, drugs/alcohol?, family member sick/death?

This is ALL rumors.

If it's mental this could take a while.

Or it could be breaking team rules. He seems like a really good kid - not a trouble maker.

I just hope he is ok - football or not.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 01, 2019, 01:04:18 pm

We can only hope that is was a disciplinary issue for a player acting like a 23 year old kid.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 01, 2019, 08:49:51 pm
Heard a rumor he is out indefininately?? Anyone else heard this?? Crazy if it's true...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 01, 2019, 09:42:15 pm
Hope it's not a mental issue, that could be a career ender
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 02, 2019, 07:23:44 am
If so, Pace sure has some bad luck with 1st round picks for sure......
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 02, 2019, 07:59:46 am
How is it so lucky they get two guys with mental issues? First Burton and now Smith....strange....maybe there IS something weird in the water at Halas. Did he have any mental issues at Georgia or miss any games for it????

Sources: Chicago Bears LB Roquan Smith not acting like himself

Sep 30, 2019
Jeff Dickerson
ESPN Staff Writer

LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Chicago Bears linebacker Roquan Smith will be out indefinitely while the team gives him the time he needs to deal with a personal issue, sources told ESPN's Dan Graziano.

Smith had not been acting like himself around the team facilities for the past week or so, sources said.

Bears coach Matt Nagy repeatedly called Smith's situation a "personal issue" without going into greater detail when he was peppered Monday with 12 different questions regarding Smith's surprise deactivation before Chicago's victory over Minnesota.

Smith was downgraded to doubtful 20 minutes before the inactives list came out Sunday. Smith was not on the injury report all last week and the Bears said before and after the game that the decision stemmed from personal reasons.

"Again, he's completely a personal issue," Nagy reiterated on Monday. "For us, it's something that we're gonna leave it at that right now."

Was Smith involved in an illegal incident over the weekend?

"Personal issue," Nagy replied.

When will you decide if Smith travels to London for the Raiders game?

"Again, personal issue," Nagy said.

Will Smith be subject to internal discipline?

"It's completely a personal issue," Nagy said. "I'm not going to answer any more about it. That's where it's at right now. I understand where you all are coming from, but out of respect to this right now, I just want to leave it at that."

The development is an unfortunate twist for Smith, who is considered a cornerstone on Chicago's top-ranked defense.

Smith -- drafted eighth overall in 2018 -- recorded a team-high 122 tackles after appearing in all 16 games (15 starts) for the Bears last season. The second-year linebacker was credited with six tackles in the Bears' win at Washington in Week 3.

The former Georgia Bulldogs standout won the Butkus Award, presented annually to the nation's most outstanding linebacker, during his final year in Athens. Smith was also MVP of the 2017 SEC championship game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2019, 08:37:40 am
My guess is depression.  That is personal and private.  Let the man be to heal.  Some things are more important that a game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2019, 09:29:08 am

They just need to get him a psychiatrist and get him on some meds.

In the meantime, Kwiatowski is building up his resume for a bigger contract for next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on October 02, 2019, 09:33:18 am
I hope Kwiktoski signs a big contract next year with Green Bay :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 02, 2019, 09:49:17 am
A lot of times teenagers hide it. And when the become young adults and mature it's to come out. Men's brain's are not fully formed until age 25 and many do not fully mature until age 30. This is probably just coming out.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2019, 10:35:22 am
I hope Kwiktoski signs a big contract next year with Green Bay :-)

?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 02, 2019, 10:45:56 am

Mark Potash
@MarkPotash
#Bears reaction to the Roquan Smith situation:

Trevathan: "[I'm] probably not as concerned as you guys [media]. I'm just here to work and have my guy back."

Mack: It's in-house ... we know he's going to get better and we look forward to him getting back out there with us."

Mack’s words make it sound like a mental health issue
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2019, 02:52:57 pm
Bears linebacker Roquan Smith was back at practice on Wednesday after missing last Sunday’s game for what the team has called personal reasons.

Head coach Matt Nagy didn’t go beyond that at his media session Wednesday and said only that “we’ll see” about Smith playing against the Raiders this weekend. Smith had less uncertainty about his status.

The linebacker told reporters that he’ll be playing against Oakland in London this weekend, but was otherwise in lockstep with Nagy when it came to discussing what kept him from playing last weekend.

“It was just a personal issue so I’m moving forward,” Smith said, via ESPN.com. “I’m past the situation now actually. Just addressing it because I have to.”

Nick Kwiatkoski started in place of Smith in a win over the Vikings and would shift back to a reserve role if Smith’s right about how things will play out this weekend.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 02, 2019, 02:54:42 pm
The Bears apparently will be getting their starting quarterback back sooner rather than later.

According to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, the Bears are optimistic that Mitchell Trubisky will be back after the Week Six bye, in time to face the Saints in Week Seven.

“We have the bye coming up here so we’ll be able to see really how this goes for him,” coach Matt Nagy said, per Biggs. “It’s crazy sometimes how things go with these byes and where they come and all that. We’re in a good position right now knowing that Chase [Daniel] came in last week and we’ve been in this before so we’re fully confident in that.”

Nagy confirmed that Trubisky is “unlikely” to play against the Raiders, and that he’s considered to be “day-to-day.”

Daniel started twice last year in place of Trubisky, who was injured (like this year) against the Vikings at Soldier Field. Daniel won one and lost one during Trubisky’s absence.

“He sees things well, in general,” offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich said regarding Daniel. “He has a tendency, if anything, to overthink things. It was almost — not in any way a good thing, don’t take this the wrong way — but there was no time for him to think about anything. He had to just go. It was immediately, ‘Go to the bullpen. You’re in. Pitch.’ That was good for his mentality. He sees things. The timing of this offense, he’s been in for a long time. That helps.”

It helps that the defense played incredibly well against the Vikings. If the defense continues to suffocate opposing offenses, Daniel simply needs to not screw things up.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 02, 2019, 03:36:18 pm
I hope Roquan has a good because Kiatkowski played great. Smith has been good this year....but
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 02, 2019, 03:39:59 pm
Until an offense game plan puts Kwiatkowski into pass coverage.  That's not something we need to see again.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2019, 03:43:53 pm
but what?  Roquan Smith is among the best ILBs in the league.  Kwiatwoski had ONE great game over a 4 year career.  I like Kwiatowski and have defended him in the past when some wanted him cut after preseason.  But he's no Roquan Smith. 

He can stop the run...he can blitz...he can play special teams, but he's a liability in pass defense. 

What's next?  Trubisky rushing to get healthy fearful of Chase Daniel taking his job?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2019, 05:55:09 pm
LOL Dallas
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on October 04, 2019, 06:36:00 am
  Yeah,if you gotta worry about Daniels you must really suck.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 04, 2019, 05:31:02 pm
Not sure if anyone else here ever watches Pluto (it's free). They have an NFL channel on there that shows archived games. This afternoon it was the '09 Bears against the Falcons. Didn't watch it all but I'm thinking the Bears lost. It was interesting to see the dynamics of that team. Cutler, for every bad throw he'd throw a "man he's got an arm".
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 05, 2019, 07:10:03 am
Been watching some stuff on Pluto since I've gotten a Roku and its pretty nice for free TV. Wish they had a DVR option though.

Also get my RedZone from Sling (which I watch on the Roku as well).....

Headline I want to see Monday: "Gruden Finally Meets With Mack"  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 06, 2019, 07:10:41 pm
Game notes:

1. I did not hear Floyd's name once - he taken at least the last 2 games off this year.
2. They ran right a Roquan Smith - I thought he had a terrible game - same with Trevathan
3. Who is this #71 Harris and WHY is he on the filed - he was atrocious. Pagano seems to play everybody - not good.
4. Leno was atrocious
5. We CAN NOT win with Chase Daniels - his picks were just terrible.
6. I do not believe Carr threw a pass farther than 7 yards - that's also why there was no pass rush.
7. HELLO Bears they ran Jacobs on 1st down almost every play
8. Mack took the game off
9. I do not believe the secondary played bad - all the short throws are hare to stop - especially when Carr had time to throw.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 06, 2019, 07:22:50 pm
Zero sacks. Floyd is a huge disappointment. Defense got exposed.

Chad Kelly can be picked up from the Panther's practice squad. May not help this year, but we need a back up QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 06, 2019, 07:30:27 pm
Zero sacks. Floyd is a huge disappointment. Defense got exposed.

Chad Kelly can be picked up from the Panther's practice squad. May not help this year, but we need a back up QB.

Let's see if he can stay out of jail first.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 06, 2019, 07:32:30 pm
Its evident to me that the OL is the weakest unit on the team.
 Leno and long were both terrible again.  I doubt there is anyone to put in for Leno that would be an upgrade, but long is replaceable.  They'd be doing him a favor, he looks like he can barely move out there.  The two weeks of practice before the next game give someone else longs reps, whether it's Larsen (if hes healthy), coward or bars.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 06, 2019, 07:46:09 pm
Long has had an injured hip for several weeks.

Larsen would have played for him today if he hadn't hurt his knee last week.

Long probably needs to sit several weeks.  Leno ....no explanations

Our running games was better  under Loggains
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 06, 2019, 09:09:39 pm
Didn't Leno get a contract extension??
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 06, 2019, 09:18:47 pm
Think that was Whitehair.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on October 06, 2019, 09:21:04 pm
The NFL's worst offensive line.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 06, 2019, 09:46:19 pm
I thought Kelly was on the Colts practice squad. We played them and Kelly in the preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 07, 2019, 12:16:06 am
yeah, you can sign anyone on a practice squad as long as you put them on the 53 roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 07, 2019, 06:32:29 am
Leno got his extension last year.  He is just brutal.  And put in Coward or Larsen or a sack of potatoes for Long, cause he is done.  Massie wasnt quite the turnstyle Leno was, but still whiffed on a few blocks.  Build the trenches please.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 07, 2019, 06:37:28 am
Yess, please build the trenches
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 07, 2019, 09:36:51 am

Nobody run blocked.  But Massie is holding down the fort on passes from the right side. 

Leno is having an uncharacteristically bad year.  He can turn it around.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 07, 2019, 10:32:43 am
Long can not block anymore. He shouldn't be playing.

Danniels is struggling massively at center.

This is ALL on the O-line coach.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 07, 2019, 11:06:53 am
Leno has always been overrated. Terrible run blocker. In the past he was a slightly below average pass blocker.

Currently he sucks at both.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 07, 2019, 11:10:05 am
Right now he certainly does. Maybe he has some unknown injury that we arent privy to
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 07, 2019, 11:14:48 am
Leno has always been overrated. Terrible run blocker. In the past he was a slightly below average pass blocker.

Currently he sucks at both.

2-3 years ago the Bears used to run off tackle to Leno's side for good yardage consistently.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2019, 11:39:21 am
Larsen will replace Long at some point this season, when he's healthy, and there will be no looking back. Long is done....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 07, 2019, 11:54:58 am
Larsen will replace Long at some point this season, when he's healthy, and there will be no looking back. Long is done....

So you figure his hip injury is permanent?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 07, 2019, 12:15:10 pm
Larsen will replace Long at some point this season, when he's healthy, and there will be no looking back. Long is done....

The sooner the better.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2019, 02:20:15 pm
I believe with all the injuries he's sustained he is done.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 07, 2019, 02:23:23 pm
I believe with all the injuries he's sustained he is done.....

They should have seen that in training camp if that's the case.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2019, 02:25:38 pm
If they can get the offensive line to stop being offensive and actually productive, this team can go places this season, but if not they'll end up going 8-8, 9-7 maybe. We've seen it on vid several times this year- they look like Keystone Kops out there, running into each other, blocking no one. Reminds me of the old electronic football game. Put the guys out there, turn it on and they go every which way. No rhyme or reason....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 07, 2019, 02:31:06 pm

I've said it before and I'm saying it now - I like Bars and according to davebear  so do the Patriots.

Put him on the 53 man and decide if Long is on IR or when Trubisky returns Bray goes back to PS.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 07, 2019, 02:36:25 pm
My guess is the only reason they may not promote Bars would be the lack of NFL strength you see with most rookies.
Still he surprised everyone, I suspect Nagy included, with his ability to handle anything in pre season.

I suspect Nagy is giving the team this week off, maybe the NFLPA agreement requires it.
But I would rather see them get back to extra practices Friday and Saturday to learn the "changes" they are expected to make after the coaches do their self scouting this week.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on October 07, 2019, 03:33:46 pm
Game notes:

1. I did not hear Floyd's name once - he taken at least the last 2 games off this year.
2. They ran right a Roquan Smith - I thought he had a terrible game - same with Trevathan
3. Who is this #71 Harris and WHY is he on the filed - he was atrocious. Pagano seems to play everybody - not good.
4. Leno was atrocious
5. We CAN NOT win with Chase Daniels - his picks were just terrible.
6. I do not believe Carr threw a pass farther than 7 yards - that's also why there was no pass rush.
7. HELLO Bears they ran Jacobs on 1st down almost every play
8. Mack took the game off
9. I do not believe the secondary played bad - all the short throws are hare to stop - especially when Carr had time to throw.



If we can not win with Chase Daniel, then we are going to lose, at least until Trubisky returns, which may not be for some time, if not for the entire season.  There really isn't another reasonable alternative.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 07, 2019, 03:43:39 pm

Everything I've heard is that Trubisky should return in 2 weeks.  Recall last year when he returned after his shoulder injury he threw 3 picks (which is about what a healthy Daniel threw yesterday).

My guess is if either Larsen or Long are still hurt one of them goes on IR.  Bars could move up but Coward is the next guy in line to fill in at guard.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 07, 2019, 04:05:25 pm
I don't think Coward has ever played guard, but maybe with some reps he's a possibility.

AS soon as Trubisky was hurt Dr Chau a former team doctor for the chargers tweeted he was pretty sure Trubisky had a torn labrum.  he said he would probably be able to play with a sling the rest of the season and have surgery after.
Looks so far he is right.  This will probably limit Tru's running which is pretty bad since that's a big part of his game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 07, 2019, 04:07:22 pm
They're saying on the SCORE Miller doesn't know his routes which is why he isn't getting targeted more.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2019, 04:08:37 pm
Who was the kid we got in the draft, a supposed route running master? Where is he? Heard that about Miller as well....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 07, 2019, 04:24:03 pm

Coward played guard when Larsen went down for a play or two in the Vikings or Redskins game.  Looked pretty good...on the one play.  He'll probably get a crash course over the next 2 weeks if Long and/or Larsen aren't ready to go.

I'm no Dr. Chau but I did hear that Trubisky had a partial tear that would not require surgery...at least not during the season. 

And if Miller doesn't know the routes that's on the coaching staff.  Miller had that nice catch but also taunted which resulted in the Raiders getting excellent field position after the Robinson TD.

 Ridley is the rookie that supposedly runs great routes.

What I want to know is what's up with Akiem Hicks?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 08, 2019, 05:19:09 am
When I watched the highlights of game, on the last interception, my first thought was Miller ran the wrong route.  It is the only thing that makes sense because no WR was even near the ball.  Obviously Daniel's throw the ball to the spot for a reason.  Anyway him running wrong routes would make a lot of sense because he sure has not been targeted by our Qb's.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 08, 2019, 07:01:02 am
Still think Wims > Miller and not sure if he was in on that final play but I think if he was it least would have been a contested catch.....

Again, I don't think Nagy uses his personnel well and contributes to the vastly underachieving offense....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 08, 2019, 09:05:27 am
Miller has always been known as a great route runner...that was one of his top traits coming into the draft.

Being a great route runner and running the right routes are two different things, though.

Maybe he saw the coverage in the area and broke off his route, trying to help Daniel? The pass should have never been made, either way. Surely someone else had single coverage...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 08, 2019, 09:33:43 am
When I watched the highlights of game, on the last interception, my first thought was Miller ran the wrong route.  It is the only thing that makes sense because no WR was even near the ball.  Obviously Daniel's throw the ball to the spot for a reason.  Anyway him running wrong routes would make a lot of sense because he sure has not been targeted by our Qb's.

The first interception was just as bad.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 08, 2019, 02:56:39 pm
Lots of ugly this game. Let's hope they figure this out, make some changes on the Oline that are needed and move forward with some wins. They lost one they should have won. Lets see them win some from the tough end of the schedule. They want to be the top dog, they gotta beat those other top dogs.....
To me, the biggest thing needing addressed is the Offensive line. Whether they should readjust positions or definitely bench Long and replace him and get Lenos head on straight, it needs to happen and quickly. We need Hicks healthy to anchor the middle of the D as well. Hope this gets them angry and hungry, otherwise....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 08, 2019, 03:09:47 pm

Long, I understand, he's physically beat up.  But Leno?  He made the pro-bowl (as an alternate).  He needs to focus on his technique.   

We'll find out in a couple weeks if the Raider game was an aberration due to jet lag or not.

They really never should have been in this game based on the play of both lines, but a few uncommon plays (Derek Carr's pitch, Cohen punt return and the McManis Peanut punch) almost allowed them to pull victory from the jaws of defeat.  Almost.

 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 08, 2019, 04:39:01 pm
Adam Hoge interviewed Leno, and he basically said he is making mental mistakes.  Dude time to put on the big boy pants and get your shiit together.  As for Long, he is toast and needs to be sat down, for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2019, 11:21:26 am

Sowell re-signed - Bray released.  Which means Trubisky should be available for the next game against the Saints.

Doesn't say if Sowell is re-signed as a TE or an offensive lineman.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 09, 2019, 12:22:26 pm
He's still a TE (https://twitter.com/BearsPR/status/1181951335261966338).  Frankly, he showed fairly well in limited snaps as a lead block FB last year and I think he even ran a seam route or 2 at 300 lb.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 09, 2019, 01:30:34 pm
I usually don't obsess with losses and detach from the Bears news for a couple of days before looking at the analysis.

But this loss still bugs me because of the way they were physically dominated by such a below average team.

These coaches really need to have this team ready to play against the Saints.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2019, 02:30:32 pm

It kind of happened last year against the Dolphins and Osweiller. 

I don't care how good your defense is - its not going to stop offenses every drive every game.  Bears D had about 3 or 4 bad quarters in the previous 16 quarters leading up to the Raiders game.  Last Sunday they had 2 maybe 3 bad quarters if you count giving up one TD in the 2nd half to the Raiders as a bad quarter.   

Obviously the front 7 line play has all concerned.   Let's see what happens against the Saints.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 09, 2019, 03:51:25 pm
the tape never lies -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Bj8aeDlCg
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 09, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
Good god that offensive line is terrible! Where the H is Heistand?!?? Does he even talk to these guys?? Something needs to be done with this clown posse. And those cut blocks by the Raiders let them get that goal line TD. Is the League going to look into this nonsense?? That hit on Goldman, that sucker should be out a game or two!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 09, 2019, 04:56:33 pm
Watching the tape on Kyle Long is just sad. All his injuries just have caught up with him.

I'm not surprised with Leno, always thought him a weak link.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 09, 2019, 04:59:13 pm
Well at least Nagy said they have a good idea of what is wrong with the OL and will correct it.  Let's hope so.

They're running a zone blocking scheme so there may be confusion from that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2019, 01:31:08 am
I do not have a good feeling about where this team is right now. There are a few good things happening, but getting manhandled by the Raiders is not good. This is a team they should have beaten pretty soundly and they flopped badly. I see them sitting at 8-8. The offense is just in disarray, starting with that awful Oline. After five games, one would think you'd see some improvement but there is none. It's a must that they get that figured out. If they come out vs the Saints with the same inept showing on the line, this team is done....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 10, 2019, 05:16:00 am
I agree about the Saint's game. Let's see what they do then. As Sporty says, if the team looks bad again then the season is looking lost. 3-3 isn't the end of the world, but it starts looking tough, no game is an easy one..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 10, 2019, 07:04:14 am
Another issue is how teams come out of the break. Its like a mid-season vacation. And teams tend to sleep through a game following a break. We cant afford that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 10, 2019, 08:07:32 am
That has been our pattern back to Lovie, to suuck the game after a break.  Add in a rusty/still injured Mitch, and probably no changes on the OLine, and Teddy Bridgewater and Co may feast on the Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 10, 2019, 09:52:35 am
If they dont sit Long, after watching the tape never lies, I wonder what they are watching at Halas Hall.  He was brutally bad.  Leno not much better.  Play Coward, please.  He cant play any worse.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2019, 10:04:35 am

I think Leno's issue is focus/technique related.  At least I hope so.  I've seen the backup LT (Lucas) in preseason and he's a train wreck, although he was decent when filling in for Massie on the right side.

As for Long, the coaches need to reevaluate him over the break.  If he's not near 100% he will need to be benched, IR'd, or released.  Larsen is a serviceable backup, but he's gimpy too, next man up could be Coward.   The only issue there is that he's been playing RT since converting from DE.

If Bears can solve RG and get Trubisky and Gabriel back on offense and Nichols and Hicks on defense, they should be in good shape against the Brees-less Saints.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 10, 2019, 11:28:01 am
Early betting has Bears favored by 3..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 10, 2019, 11:30:27 am
In total offense Bears are ranked 30th..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 10, 2019, 11:48:34 am
Well at least Nagy said they have a good idea of what is wrong with the OL and will correct it.  Let's hope so.

They're running a zone blocking scheme so there may be confusion from that.

A++...it's not working. Harry needs to go.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2019, 10:12:43 am
Here is the latest injury update:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/10/injury-update-where-the-bears-stand-in-the-bye-week/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Nothing about Long
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2019, 12:19:17 pm
Here is the latest injury update:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/10/injury-update-where-the-bears-stand-in-the-bye-week/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Nothing about Long

Nothing really about anyone




Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2019, 12:35:06 pm

Nagy doesn't want to provide any info to the Saints that he doesn't have to. 

Hicks and Gabriel are the key injuries that no one knows anything about.

As for Nichols, I don't know how effective he'll be with a club.  Maybe get a few snaps here and there against the Saints.  Bones heal at different rates - maybe 3 weeks from now he can discard the club.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2019, 01:58:53 pm
Apparently he doesn't have to give any injury information until the league injury report is due next week.

Still if Hicks had surgery and will be out extensively they usually just come out with it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2019, 02:02:28 pm
I saw a tweet from this former Chargers doctor about Trubisky within a short time of his injury and he was right so here is what he says about Hicks:

For example … David J. Chao, a practicing orthopedic surgeon, former NFL team doctor, Sports Medical Analyst for the San Diego Union-Tribune, now has an app and a site in which he provides analysis and insight into injuries and recovery periods. And even though Hicks’ return is not imminent, Chao believes the injury is a dislocated elbow that could see the Bears get their Pro Bowl defensive lineman back in 3-4 weeks. (Michael: Ahh … much better).

To be clear, Hicks is not Chao’s patient. But what Chao does provide is analysis based on what he has seen on TV (or in clips sent to him) and uses his knowledge of injuries and medical practices to provide perspective and insight. So an ample grain of salt is necessary, and the analysis should be viewed more as a general commentary on how injuries of certain types tend to play out in terms of football availability.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2019, 02:58:42 pm
Nagy doesn't want to provide any info to the Saints that he doesn't have to.

If I am the Bears I certainly wouldnt want to divulge unnecessary info. Only the Saints GM and other League GMs want that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2019, 03:13:47 pm

davebear

Didn't Chao says Trubisky would require surgery?   I've not heard anyone else say that, but maybe he goes under the knife in the offseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2019, 03:17:48 pm
He said he likely had a labrum tear ut could wait until the offseason for surgery
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 13, 2019, 12:08:27 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/13/report-kyle-long-likely-headed-to-injured-reserve/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 13, 2019, 03:51:54 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2019/10/chicago-bears-are-indeed-shutting-down-kyle-long/?fbclid=IwAR0FD-IJt3USmz5CIA6Ghlf--PVcsxOaLNEFPP5ApFpagoiv3GoAnfJq3cY
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 13, 2019, 05:19:44 pm
With 8 mill in cap space they ought to find something to get them through this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 13, 2019, 05:24:54 pm
OGs are easier to draft than OLT's are to find. With Pace's experience in NOLA where they find them on the street even.  It would seem that fixing the OLine would appear to be a piece of cake.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 13, 2019, 07:02:31 pm
I'd try Coward at guard. I don't see him ever making it as a tackle.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 14, 2019, 05:00:43 am
Well K. Long had a nice career as a Bear.  I am sure we are moving on.  8.1m cap savings next year if he is cut.  He is currently 32 years old....writing is on the wall.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 14, 2019, 09:31:52 am

Kyle Long is 30...he'll be 31 in December.

If he indeed has a hip injury that he can return from he could come back in 6 or 8 weeks (whatever the IR amount of time is).  However, teams are limited in the number of those that they can use per year (I think), so if someone else gets hurt it might not be available for Long.

I'm not saying I expect him back.  A Lot depends on his recovery and more depends on who replaces him and how he does.  Can't say I'm too thrilled about Ted Larsen - I'd like to see Coward get a shot. 

Is Bars still on the the practice squad?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 14, 2019, 12:22:03 pm
#Bears roster moves:

- Kyle Long to IR
- DL Abdullah Anderson signed from practice squad to 53-man roster
- TE Dax Raymond signed to the practice squad
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 14, 2019, 01:41:40 pm
Rashard Coward took the first team reps at G today.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 14, 2019, 02:33:26 pm
Friday would be the deciding day. We'll see who is starting then. Its nice to see Coward get a chance. Lets hope he is better than preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 14, 2019, 03:48:04 pm
Coward held up well against the Vikings a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 15, 2019, 10:25:29 am
Friday would be the deciding day. We'll see who is starting then. Its nice to see Coward get a chance. Lets hope he is better than preseason.

Yes - I like that they promoted Coward.  As for his preseason performance he was playing RT - totally different position.

I'm thinking Bars gets promoted to the 53 man after Hicks returns - right now Bears only have 2 reserve offensive lineman in Larsen and Lucas.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 15, 2019, 01:07:27 pm
Doesnt look like Hicks will return soon:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/15/20915850/bears-akiem-hicks-injured-reserve-elbow-injury-return-december-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-raiders
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2019, 10:59:17 am
fluf?:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/15/20916457/first-and-10-tough-guy-coward-worth-a-long-look-at-right-guard
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2019, 11:01:12 am
8. The controversial calls that benefited the Packers in their 23-22 victory over the Lions on Monday night at Lambeau Field reminded me of the time the Bears played the Packers at Lambeau and an official exchanged hand-slaps with Aaron Rodgers in the tunnel as the Packers prepared to enter the field prior to the game. And it wasn’t a “play a good game” handshake, but more of an enthusiastic hand slap that seemed inappropriate between an official and a player.

That’s not necessarily an indictment of the officials. I don’t think they consciously aid Rodgers or the Packers. But there is little doubt that officials — just like opponents and opposing coaches fans, coaches and media — have a Jordan-like respect for Rodgers, which he has earned. Human nature seems to do the rest.


I think its more than that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2019, 11:04:39 am
I thought we are 3-2?

10. Bear-ometer: 8-8 — vs. Saints (W); vs. Chargers (W); at Eagles (L); vs. Lions (W); at Rams (L); vs. Giants (W); at Lions (L); vs. Cowboys (W); at Packers (L); vs. Chiefs (L); at Vikings (L).

If so this puts us at 7-9 not 8-8. UGH!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2019, 11:09:09 am
I like Coward's size for OG. 6'6/320 is very adequate size.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2019, 11:15:06 am

3-2 with 11 games left.   In those 11 he predicts Bears going 5-6.  That's 8-8.

At 6-6 Coward has tackle size, guards are typically a little shorter.  But whatever it takes.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2019, 11:37:00 am
OK, my computer didnt add right. Thanks. And I have doubts we beat the Saints even without Brees
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 16, 2019, 12:24:33 pm
Remember... wishful thinking thoughts...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 16, 2019, 01:29:29 pm
Yep, this game is extremely important. Gabriel will be back and he opens up a lot, but lose this game and pretty much back up truck. Unfortunately I am guessing Sean Payton out coaches him much like has happened recently.

We all thought Nagy was this great offensive guru. Team have figured us out.

We are 30th in rushing. We have no run game. I knew this would happen when the let Howard go and said Montgomery would replace him. We have less than 1/3 rushing yardage as Baltimore (- 1 game)

30th in scoring.

30th in passing....we less than 1/2 the passing yards the Chief have (- 1 game)

Nagy has not "opened up" the offense for about 10 games (defense scored a few TDs).

The Nagy honey moon could be over.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2019, 01:33:56 pm
Everyone is doubting the Bears right now after the Oakland game.  Unknowns include Trubisky returning from his injury (the performance against the Redskins has no bearing) and whether the defense can rebound with the loss of Akiem Hicks.

Saints are a very good team, but I'm hoping the Bears offense wakes up with Gabriel back, Montgomery gets untracked and hopefully Burton returns to form (the TE position is killing us).

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 16, 2019, 01:43:29 pm
We'll see but no defense is playing better than the Saints
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 16, 2019, 01:52:15 pm
I think that was the sentiment heading into the game with the Vikings.  I believe the whole social media world is bubbling because Mitch through the bad pick against the Redskins, followed by the sack, fumble, injury, no fumble against the Raiders.  any good will generated in the 2nd quarter against the Redskins was immediately rinsed with vinegar and epsom salt.

I hope Trubiksy plays and ends the drama...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2019, 01:59:48 pm
We'll see but no defense is playing better than the Saints

One bad game erases 4 stellar games before it?

Bears D is ranked 6th in the NFL - Saints are 10th.

The problem is the Saints D gets to face Bears 30th ranked offense, while the Bears get to deal with the Saints offense which is ranked 22nd.    Looks about even to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2019, 02:04:53 pm
I think that was the sentiment heading into the game with the Vikings.  I believe the whole social media world is bubbling because Mitch through the bad pick against the Redskins, followed by the sack, fumble, injury, no fumble against the Raiders.  any good will generated in the 2nd quarter against the Redskins was immediately rinsed with vinegar and epsom salt.

I hope Trubiksy plays and ends the drama...

Yes, one bad pick followed 3 TD passes.  I'll take that every Sunday. 

As for the Viking game - Trubisky played what?  6 plays? 

And many Bears fans are advocating trades for Eli Manning, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton.  There's only one way to shut them and the media up...at least until the next game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 16, 2019, 02:17:50 pm
I just hope Trubisky can come out and be serviceable.  Thats all.  Well that and the D has a chip on their shoulder and comes out smelling blood in the water.  I would like to see Teddy Bridgewater pooping his pants personally.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 16, 2019, 03:05:43 pm
Yes, one bad pick followed 3 TD passes.  I'll take that every Sunday. 

As for the Viking game - Trubisky played what?  6 plays? 

And many Bears fans are advocating trades for Eli Manning, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton.  There's only one way to shut them and the media up...at least until the next game.

Agreed, but that is what is driving the whole media storm about Trubisky and the Bears.  This game can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 16, 2019, 03:41:24 pm
Remember... wishful thinking thoughts...

I can wish and hope all I want, but that doesnt guarantee is a win. I may wish 16-0 but that doesnt mean it will happen. In fact I had superbowl thoughts before the season began. Now it looks more like a wet dream.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2019, 04:01:13 pm
Are we missing a first round pick next year as well? We seriously need some picks to get this team some linemen. I think best we can hope for is 9-7 and that's being optimistic at this point. More likely 8-8 or if things really go south, 7-9....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 16, 2019, 04:09:51 pm
We'll see but no defense is playing better than the Saints
The 49ers say hello...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2019, 04:28:32 pm

Actually, Pats are #1 defense (points AND yards).

As for SF, I will give them credit for being 5-0.  They beat the teams they were supposed to.  But a closer look at their opponents records.  Not one team on their schedule that's now above .500.   Rams were the best team they faced (Rams are 3-3).  But the rest of their schedule is a bunch of 2-4 teams (Cleveland, TB, and Pittsburgh) and 0-6 Cincinnati.

Defense is a lot easier when you're offense is putting up big numbers, which is the case with both SF and NE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 16, 2019, 05:18:24 pm
The 49ers say hello...

They're playing great but they aren't rushing the passers like NO.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2019, 05:49:18 pm

Saints have 18 sacks, 5 fumbles, 3 picks.

Bears have 17 sacks, 8 fumbles, 4 picks.

And Bears have played one less game.

Saints have solid O-line and D-line, it will be a tough game no doubt.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 16, 2019, 06:44:55 pm
We are counting on Gabriel to get our offense going....  Oh brother we are in trouble.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 17, 2019, 05:27:06 am
I am counting on Nagy shelving his offensive pride and hoping for a better offensive line performance with Coward replacing Long.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 17, 2019, 06:59:49 am
Love it:

No lawsuits have been filed (yet), but advertisements have been purchased.

Via ESPN.com, billboards have popped up in the Detroit area showing a referee wearing a cheesehead hat and jamming a fist into his chin.

The billboards, which protest a pair of illegal hands to the face penalties that fueled Green Bay’s come-from-behind win on Monday night, were purchased by the same anonymous group of fans that have leased billboards objecting to bad calls or free-agent defections in the past. Three times in 2015 the group funded roadway messages regarding more bad things that have happened to a long-suffering franchise and fan base.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 17, 2019, 07:04:47 am
IMHO this is a barometer game for the franchise and where it currently is and where it is going to go....

Nagy has to figure things out and get the O playing to at least average NFL level.....

Trubiski has to show something this week (or at least not be as sucky as he has been so far this season)....

The Oline has to suck it up and actually not be so terrible....

Not as worried about the D but the Roquan thing is troubling....

I get the feeling that this season is on a razor edge of going either totally down the tubes or starting the claw its way back up...

Pack/Vikings running away with the Division (they've looked better all around in all their wins than the Bears had in their 3). I don't think they will be one of the wildcard teams so they have to win their way in. Tough row to hoe for sure.....

Season on the brink. This is usually when the Bears either blow it or blow out their opponent.

Go Bears......

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 17, 2019, 07:21:33 am
I think Coward is going to make a huge improvement in the Oline, which should help Mitch and the running game, fingers crossed.  I hope Roquan snaps back into form, as he wasnt that great in London.  If the D can get back to smothering and attacking, I think we can pull off a win.  We shall see.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 17, 2019, 09:14:14 am
I think these people are more optimistic than I am. Lets get by the Saints first.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/16/bears-remaining-schedule-suddenly-looks-easier/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 17, 2019, 11:50:39 am
According to this its Bears 3-2, plus the scores are all close:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/17/20919165/bears-saints-predictions-picks-odds-week-7-mitch-trubisky-drew-brees-khalil-mack-matt-nagy

Probably depends on 52.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 17, 2019, 12:19:10 pm

My major concern is the Saints offensive line controlling the game over the Hicks-less Bears defense.  Looks like Cook and Kamera could be out but if that line is clicking Latavius Murray is just as effective as a runner (though not so much as a receiver). 

Well, actually my real major concern is whether Trubisky is healthy - Bears sure could use our TE Burton to emerge.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 17, 2019, 12:20:51 pm
I think we all have come to the conclusion we need to vast improvements on offense - including the play calling.

Heard Harry Hiestand Bears O line coach saying yesterday it's a matter of the O line playing together....not unhappy with any of them.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 17, 2019, 01:20:23 pm

Not as down on the play calling as some.  Bears offense just doesn't have a lot of big plays.  Longest pass play from scrimmage is just 37 yards.

Bears need to open up the offense and get those DBs off our receivers - may also open up the run game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 17, 2019, 02:21:20 pm
Yep...including throwing the ball down field more. I guess they have but not completed many - I can think a few to Miller, Cohen, Gaberiel that were not completed
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 17, 2019, 03:13:49 pm
It's hard to have big plays when pass plays are to the line of scrimmage.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 18, 2019, 05:48:33 pm
Not too concerned about the D. The O? They have looked like crap.. I pin a lot of this on the lack of play during preseason. That is when the O-line should be working to get their groove on. Not the 6th game of the season..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 18, 2019, 05:49:00 pm
As I the true genius predicted, Bars has been put on the roster.  Hiestand said he's improved through weightlifting enough to play.

Heck maybe they'll put him in place of Leno like pre season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 18, 2019, 11:02:57 pm
Good grief
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 19, 2019, 10:29:53 am
Here is your moon green cheese:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/18/chicago-bears-new-orleans-saints-bold-predictions-week-7/

I dont see any of this happening.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 19, 2019, 10:43:05 am
As I the true genius predicted, Bars has been put on the roster.  Hiestand said he's improved through weightlifting enough to play.

Heck maybe they'll put him in place of Leno like pre season.

Bars held his own at LT in preseason, but its hard to gauge his ability based on the level of performance he faced.  I did notice his drive - the guy kept going after it.

If Coward and Bars can produce Bears should be in good shape going forward the next few years. 

And I think Leno will turn it around - can't explain this funk he's going through right now but he's been very solid for several years now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 19, 2019, 11:22:55 am
Right up until he got paid.  Money sometimes changes people.  I hope I am wrong on this one.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 19, 2019, 11:03:38 pm
Right up until he got paid.  Money sometimes changes people.  I hope I am wrong on this one.
Leno got his extension before the 2017 season and made the pro bowl since.  The "he sucks after he got paid argument" is one of the laziest and most ignorant sports trope one can revert to.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 20, 2019, 05:34:35 am
https://www.thesportster.com/football/15-nfl-players-who-got-paid-and-stopped-trying/

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 20, 2019, 08:43:12 am
Wow so we can go back 25 years snd find 15 players who arguably regressed out of hundreds
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 20, 2019, 04:12:44 pm
Would you like the article to list every one, Dave? Point is made....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 20, 2019, 04:28:06 pm
Ok a very few players tanked after a big contract
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 20, 2019, 04:39:18 pm
I'm sure there are more but they only list 15. Not sure though that it applies entirely to Leno although his play has dropped off this season. He's had one good and so far one bad since his contract... He needs to play to that contract..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 20, 2019, 04:45:03 pm
Seriously this is a waste of time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 20, 2019, 08:31:14 pm
Every single player Pace traded up in the draft to get has been a disappointment. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Floyd, Trubisky, Miller, Montgomery....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on October 20, 2019, 08:37:39 pm
The common thread?  Matt Nagy.  The worst coach in Bears history.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 21, 2019, 10:39:58 am
We have all said it before, but Mitch only have 13 college games.....needs all the work he can get and our coach doesn't play him a down in pre-season.

I really believe we are still playing catch up from not playing starters in pre-season. It's like like the Saints were twice as fast as us.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 21, 2019, 10:46:12 am
Notes from the game....


1. Coach Pagano should be fired today.
2. We do not get any turnovers.
3. We gave ANOTHER 100 yard rushing game - this time to a backup.
4. Trubisky is CLUELESS
5. 4th down and Trubisky throw it away??????
5. Only SEVEN rushing attempts? Walter Payton is turning in his grave.
6. Our D, Pagano's D, is super WEAK up the middle - two straight games runs go 4 to 6 yards on EVERY play.
7. Floyd does nothing out there.
8. We have no pass rush and I blame Pagano.
9. We can't throw down field.
10. Miller has regressed.
11. Wims needs MORE ball thrown to him.....I really feel now Wims and Robinson should be the WRs....now more smurfs
12. Tarik Cohen has regressed.
13. Teams pick us a part with these super short passes.
14. We should sign Bridgewater if he is a free agent. Bears were so scared he would run the ball.


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 21, 2019, 10:46:48 am
Oh yes...Montgomery is not a starter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2019, 11:15:35 am
Take this for what its worth:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/20/20924174/bears-coach-matt-nagy-had-two-weeks-to-prepare-and-he-came-up-with-this-mitch-trubisky-saints
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 21, 2019, 11:25:11 am
I know I've said this before but I can't understand why our offense was so much better 3 years ago under Fox and loggains with Brian Hoyer and Matt Barclay with no name receivers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 21, 2019, 11:55:52 am
I was hoping that Gabriel coming back would get on a hot streak, like he had before he got hurt.  Was he even targeted yesterday?  Doesnt really matter.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 21, 2019, 12:04:23 pm
I think maybe once. ALL Mitch did was target Robinson or dump it off to Cohen.

Mitch never ran either.

This is a train wreck and most it falls on Trestman er a Nagy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2019, 12:14:04 pm
Trestman was a failed experiment. Remember when he left the Bears he got a gig with Baltimore as OC. That didnt last long either...failed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 21, 2019, 03:37:44 pm
Actually Abe Gibron is the worst coach in Bear history. Followed by John Fox.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 21, 2019, 05:53:24 pm
I blame Pagano more than anything. 36 points?

1 sack. No turnovers. Where is Floyd? Roquan Smith does nothing. Fueller and Jackson on picks.

Granted these teams are throw shorts passes mostly - you have to adjust.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 21, 2019, 07:02:47 pm
Maybe it’s an overreaction, but I don’t see anything in Trubisky’s game that even remotely looks like a franchise quarterback.  I’d move on from starting him beginning this coming off-season, bring in someone else to play next year (Nick Foles?) with Trubisky at backup, and then use the 2021 first round pick on a quarterback.  Pace has shown the ability to find defensive talent, Nagy and co can hopefully consult on the pick.

The sooner organizationally they move on from Mitch, the sooner we can all find out if Nagy can coach offense.  Next year: FA stopgap QB, TE, OL. 

Guys like Brady, and Rodgers....even Matthew Stafford...routinely make the kind of throws that Mitch is missing time and time again.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on October 21, 2019, 07:08:38 pm
Trubisky has not done well, but the major failure of the team yesterday and most of the year has been on the offensive line.  As in most of the previous games, the line opened absolutely NO holes for the running backs.  Granted, they have failed to do this all season, and because of the season long failure, they were only given 7 chances to do so, but no matter how bad the run blocking is, no team can win if they don't even TRY to run the ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 21, 2019, 07:21:16 pm
I think everyone is ready to move on from Trubisky, he has the 1000 yard stare going.  Dude is broken from lack of confidence.  I don't think it will happen during the season though.  I think they got so scared of him getting hurt after last year that they stripped the one thing he was good at out of the offense, they won't let him run anymore.  Other teams drop 8 in coverage because they know nagy is scared to run and Mitch can't process eight defenders playing the pass.

The upside for next year is that there will be a handful of solid vet QBs that they can acquire:
Rivers
Newton
Foles
Bridgewater
Carr (maybe gruden is going to want his own guy)
Alex Smith has a miracle recovery?

I like Rivers the most.  Will only cost $.  Carr and Foles are the next tier.  Carr will probably cost a draft pick, Foles would be a salary dump.  Newton and Smith have huge health issues.  Bridgewater is just ok.
Alex Smith (might never recover)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on October 21, 2019, 07:44:25 pm
UNTIL YOU GET RID OF MATT NAGY, YOU ARE JUST JERKING OFF!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 21, 2019, 09:34:36 pm
It's sad with all they gave up in picks that this is the result and I totally agree about Tru being broken, used that word several times myself. He is absolutely broken and we do need a different guy under center to get this thing righted. The window is now, they cannot wait to see what's going to happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 21, 2019, 11:02:33 pm

In Trubisky's defense he is coming off a separated shoulder and supposedly has some sort of harness.  Additionally, he hasn't played since a few plays in the Minnesota game.  Not even sure he got any reps during the bye week.

He's not the same guy when he doesn't have the ability to move around.  Maybe the game plan was to keep him in the pocket to avoid getting him hit on running plays.

But Mitch missed a wide open Gabriel and a wide open Miller.  Two plays that killed drives.  If he can't play then we're better off with Daniel.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 22, 2019, 12:37:09 am
He said in his presser he was zinging the balls in good at practice....making the play that he missed during the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 22, 2019, 06:50:19 am
Hicks, who we desperately miss:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/22/20926328/bears-akiem-hicks-very-optimistic-return-2019-injured-reserve-left-elbow
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 22, 2019, 07:30:31 am
Noone was getting reps during the bye week, as they didnt practice.  And they have neutered Mitch by telling him DONT run, to the point that he is now a statue.  And it doesnt help that he locks in on his first target, doesnt go thru any progressions, and forces that throw.  The only thing saving him is ARob is usually his first read, and he is pretty good.  BUT....Gabriel and Miller, and dare I say it Burton should all be racking up catches, but they arent.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 22, 2019, 07:53:51 am
No doubt - can someone tell Mitch about D E C E P T I O N?

Rodgers is a master of deception - plus he can throw while he is levitating
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 22, 2019, 10:35:10 am
Plus you can't do ANY play action IF you can't run.

Nagy: "I am not an idiot, I know we have to run more 7 times" (especially when Mitch is off)

Mitch ran zero times.

Nagy said Mitch's throwing problems were his foot work. Bad foot work. This seems to be a constant issue. Isn't this something you fix in training camp? Mitch should have played every pre-season game at least 1/2 - that just made ZERO sense not playing him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 22, 2019, 10:48:41 am
Or his head not convincing his feet to be in the right place

He was making Jay Cutler proud out there
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 22, 2019, 11:08:03 am

OK, preseason was months ago, Mitch has played in 4 NFL full games now and shouldn't be experiencing any mechanical problems.

For whatever reason, his confidence is gone.  A good running game, an offensive line that can control the pass rush would help solve that. 

Of course, the injury may be affecting his confidence and his ability to move around in the pocket.

Counting sacks, Mitch attempted 50 something passes and didn't take off once.   That's not his game.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on October 22, 2019, 11:32:13 am
  Check out Joe Burrow,QB of LSU and his game against Florida. This looks like a great candidate for one of our 2nd rounders if he's still there.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 22, 2019, 12:05:12 pm
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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 22, 2019, 12:53:22 pm
OK, preseason was months ago, Mitch has played in 4 NFL full games now and shouldn't be experiencing any mechanical problems.

For whatever reason, his confidence is gone.  A good running game, an offensive line that can control the pass rush would help solve that. 

Of course, the injury may be affecting his confidence and his ability to move around in the pocket.

Counting sacks, Mitch attempted 50 something passes and didn't take off once.   That's not his game.

Yep - he doesn't want to fall on the shoulder - I wouldn't - I've screwed my right should up 3 times playing sports - it takes forever to get right & it still isn't completely right. Glad it's thew left.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on October 22, 2019, 01:38:14 pm
 Trouble is beerfan he was sucking before the injury. I get what your saying probably limiting his propensity to run,but,Nagy seemed to be reigning him in also. He was at his best outside the pocket. Look at Joe Burrow of LSU,videos. It's what we probably had hopes Trubisky would bring to this team.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 22, 2019, 02:04:05 pm
  Check out Joe Burrow,QB of LSU and his game against Florida. This looks like a great candidate for one of our 2nd rounders if he's still there.

And he just might be there too. I think the Oklahoma transferee from Alabama is likely 1st round material. The kid from Clemson is likely 1st round too. He's big and hard to take down.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 22, 2019, 02:18:21 pm
Mock drafts I've seen have Burrow as the 3rd if 3 qbs in the 1st round.  Guys like Fromm. Hurts and eason are there in the second.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 22, 2019, 02:53:18 pm
Trouble is beerfan he was sucking before the injury. I get what your saying probably limiting his propensity to run,but,Nagy seemed to be reigning him in also. He was at his best outside the pocket. Look at Joe Burrow of LSU,videos. It's what we probably had hopes Trubisky would bring to this team.

I don't see him running much even before the injury. It's like Nagy wants him to be a pocket passer with out a run game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 22, 2019, 03:18:04 pm
Gotta be able to pass the ball to get the D off the line, though. So the run game is predicated on being able to pass....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 23, 2019, 08:06:53 am
From day 1 this year Mitch has been told DO NOT scramble, no matter what.  No doubt the genius coaches wanted to protect him from injury and take away his best asset.  And what happened?  He got hurt AND has stunk up the season.  Nice going coaches.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 23, 2019, 08:27:00 am
I fount this interesting after all the talk above. Enjoy:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/22/20927214/bears-mitch-trubisky-2020-starter-odds

I think the odds of a vet are slim to none. I would gamble on Hurts in the draft if he lasts till round 2, not that I think he will
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 23, 2019, 09:49:29 am
Wow Roquan only played 69% of D snaps, and was out on 3rd downs.  Not sure what his problem WAS, but it still seems to be around:

https://wgnradio.com/2019/10/21/monday-evening-quarterback-with-bears-insider-adam-hoge-matt-nagy-has-lost-his-swagger-and-mitch-trubisky-has-lost-his-confidence-and-it-is-dragging-down-this-offense/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 23, 2019, 11:12:23 am
I watched him closely. He doesn't look the same at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on October 23, 2019, 05:10:16 pm
Hicks being out and Smith being ??????? has really hurt this defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 23, 2019, 06:15:05 pm
I fount this interesting after all the talk above. Enjoy:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/10/22/20927214/bears-mitch-trubisky-2020-starter-odds

I think the odds of a vet are slim to none. I would **** on Hurts in the draft if he lasts till round 2, not that I think he will
Unless Mitch and Nagy figure things out and engineer a miraculous turn around, there is 0 chance Trubisky is the starter next year.  Running current trash Mitch out there with nagys goofy playcalling next year will get Nagy and Pace fired.

The heat is going to be on.  I think they'll bring in a veteran to "compete" with Mitch in training camp. Rivers is the ideal guy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 23, 2019, 06:23:37 pm
Rivers would retire before going to Chicago.  He almost retired rather than going to Carson.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 23, 2019, 07:08:40 pm
The worst thing about Mitch is his foot work is bad....3 years in the league and still bad foot work. Good QBs fix that in the off-season.

Could also blame the QB coach.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on October 24, 2019, 08:56:46 am
  Well forget about Joe Burrow at QB. Several draft websites have him ranked among the best  prospects and have him going in the top half of the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2019, 09:24:46 am
If correct, and it could be, then there will be a half dozen or more QBs being drafted in the 1st round of this draft. I am not sure there that many QB needy teams out there.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2019, 11:18:23 am

Kind of early for the 2020 draft topic...but doesn't surprise me about Burrow.  I watched him dissect the UT defense.  I wonder where the Kansas QB will go....last name Stanley.  He looked good against UT (which isn't uncommon) but also did well against Oklahoma the week before.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 24, 2019, 12:09:07 pm
I can't believe we are talking about another QB again.

Personally I have never been a fan of trading up in the draft unless your close to the super bowl. I like accumulating draft picks. 1 player does not make a team. And Pace traded up 1 spot.

Trubisky had only played 13 college games. Most QBs start 30 or 40 or more. I think that would be a red flag.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 24, 2019, 12:14:36 pm
Tyler Bray played 28 games in college - you like him better?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 24, 2019, 01:18:11 pm
Moses Moreno > Tyler Bray
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 25, 2019, 05:35:22 am
Nagy needs to put his pride and beautiful mind aside, and run the offense adapted to his quarterback.  Mitch isn't running or scrambling in the pocket this season.  Mitch was second in qb yards last season running the ball.  Sometimes, that was our best weapon.  I am not advocating turning him into Vick, but look what has worked and incorporate what little worked against the Saints.

As soon as he was back in shotgun, the Saints all zeroed in on his expected launch point.  How did they know where that would be?  What did Nagy do to counter it?  How did Mitch look when he started going under center?  I am not saying Mitch is the answer, but I know he is only a part of what is wrong with the offense.  I actually place Nagy and the offensive line problems ahead of Mitch.  Don't expect Mitch to be Aaron Rodgers.  Those QBs are rare.  When a Kyle Allen or a Lamar Jackson come to a team and then the coordinator takes their skills and creates that offense to cater, that is the sign of an offensive plan built around what they do best.  Not how it should look on Madden.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2019, 09:55:22 am
What playing more games does is allow NFL scouts and GMs a bigger body of work to analyze what they are drafting. It all boils down to "beauty".  "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". What the GM drafting views as to what he wants in his QB. If he thinks QB X is going to develop into what he expects his QB to be, he drafts him. Trouble is Trubisky hasnt developed into that QB he desired when drafted. The question is whose fault is it? Pick your choice.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2019, 10:40:43 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/23/chicago-bears-mitch-trubisky-los-angeles-chargers/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline

If he is mad, who's fault  is it? I think there is a lot of blame to spread around. And Trubisky should do a self analization first.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2019, 01:21:28 pm

Last year Trubisky came back from a shoulder injury and had his worst game of the year against the Rams - 3 picks as I recall.   Last week came back against the Saints after another shoulder injury and although he didn't throw any picks he was ineffective for most of the game.

I have no idea how healthy he is and how much whatever brace thing he is wearing affects his throwing and his ability to run.  Also I don't know  how much he was able to throw between the Minnesota game and the Saints game.

Hopefully, this weekend he shuts up his doubters.  Otherwise there will be more talk of making a change before the trading deadline.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 25, 2019, 04:44:21 pm
Hoge: Nagy’s Scheme Would Look A Lot Better If The Bears Were Executing (https://wgnradio.com/2019/10/25/hoge-nagys-scheme-would-look-a-lot-better-if-the-bears-were-executing/)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on October 25, 2019, 08:47:03 pm
Nagy's Scheme Would Look A Lot Better If He Was Sitting On His **** Couch
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2019, 12:06:17 am
Trubisky is ranked dead last at QB. That is not good. They need to look for help, badly.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2019, 12:09:25 am
So, did the 'tape never lies' guy decide it was piling on and he didn't do the Saints game?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 26, 2019, 12:41:26 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw5b5pTd9ow&t=170s
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 26, 2019, 06:02:29 am
Biggest problem is Oline.  Followed by play calling.  I really would like to see what Montgomery can do with decent line.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2019, 07:29:52 am
What the hell is going on with this team??? The Oline is blowing it, Trubiskys footwork is pathetic, the coaching has disappeared, the play calling-horrendous. Playing from shotgun and getting blown up constantly. The coach evidently thinks receivers are running backs. What the hell? The line blocking looks like keystone kops! Heistand has got to go. Where are the adjustments? We're not seeing them. We ARE seeing the same clown car crap week in and week out. Who here thinks they'll suddenly 'get it' this week against the Chargers?? The players have a RAH RAH moment together....is this enough to fix this entire mess? What has happened to this supposed 'Super Bowl' quality team?!? I'm seeing Nagy as clueless or worse than Trestman! Is this even possible? Evidently, it is.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2019, 08:39:02 am
Told my wife at the beginning of the season the Bears are Super Bowl contenders. She said what makes you think that? I explained deftly that they have the tools in place to make a run at it. She's like but they lost the playoffs last season. Kicker, I replied. She didn't buy it. 'I don't think they're going to the playoffs.' HA! What on earth makes you think that?? ....... how does a woman who knows very little about the Bears (but evidently more than me  ::) ) manage to call them out correctly.
This team in one offseason suddenly cannot block to save their lives, the coach cannot call the correct plays to keep drives moving, Trubisky has gotten worse not better, ALL their first round picks are worthless apparently, and they cannot figure anything out that ails them. I'm baffled but I guess I shouldn't be....it's the Bears and if there's a team that can figure out how to blow a good thing, it's them....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 26, 2019, 09:51:15 am
I know this has been talked about, but when Bears Wire drags it up, apparently its National, not just "football talk":

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/23/bears-trade-deadline-quarterbacks-marcus-mariota-nick-foles-josh-rosen/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headlinehttps://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/23/bears-trade-deadline-quarterbacks-marcus-mariota-nick-foles-josh-rosen/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I'd be surprised if the Bears did more than kick the can. A lot of WT here.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 26, 2019, 10:19:13 am
I love watching when people break down the tape.  Whitehair, Daniels and Burton were terrible.  And Roquan got nailed a bit at the end.  That Hoge article says its not all scheme but a combo with execution.  Seriously guys lets get it together or tom is going to be a looooong day.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 26, 2019, 11:45:58 am
We have a not so good Chargers team coming to Chicago tomorrow. This is a game the Bears should win. If the Bears lose tomorrow look for 'em to pack it in, they'll be toast. On the other hand, a win could be the boost that they need. Trubisky has to play well, if not, he may be toast as well. Pace has to be feeling the heat.
The defense has been awful the last couple of games. No pressure from the line and the secondary is playing terrible. Rivers has been throwing the ball, D better step their game up..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on October 26, 2019, 11:49:27 am
  LSU is playing at 3:30 on CBS in case anyone wants to check out QB Joe Burrow,just in case he slips outta the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 26, 2019, 11:50:53 am
Let us not leave Mack out... We should soon see his picture on the milk carton, he has been pretty much non existent.. Looking like Hicks is the one that should be getting the big payday..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 26, 2019, 12:10:17 pm
That one play where Tarik Cohen was just lolly gagging on the side of the field, not even running down to where the WR caught the ball?  Come on man, get in the game.  And if I was a D player and saw that bs, I would stop trying also.  I hope he got reamed out for that stunt. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2019, 02:05:55 pm
Honestly does it matter? Look at the line, how screwed up they are! Blocking their OWN guy. Totally blocking the wrong guys, sometimes blocking nothing at all. That line needs very serious attention. I see Tru as being a big part of the problem but adding to his misery is a line in front of him that lets guys through and can't make a hole for the "wide reciever RB" to run through to save their lives....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2019, 02:15:26 pm
Saw several times where a reciever comes open, gets past the defender and Tru dumps it off for virtually no gain. He's a hot mess right now and I don't know how that gets fixed. How to ram it into his head his feet need to be set, he needs to look at the entire field, but once again, the line needs serious attention in front of him. At this point, I would get him out from behind center, out of the pocket. Get him mobile again because the blocking ain't improving. That will buy him some time to see the field. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 27, 2019, 06:33:48 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001068790/article/qb-index-week-8-aaron-rodgers-soars-mitchell-trubisky-sinks

32nd ranked QB in NFL.  Sounds about right.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 29, 2019, 11:55:57 am
Game notes...finally had time to digest this debacle....I was at the game - gorgeous day - great military fly over....Crowd was so into it - and the Bears took a big dump.

1. I blame Nagy 100% for this loss - some horrific decisions and play calling
2. Nagy iced his own kicker by running down the clock - idiot.
3. 41 and 43 yard field goals ARE NOT automatic....he should have run more plays and moved the ball closer OR go for the TD. Has Nagy learned anything yet???
4. Yes, Trubisky does not check down - he is committed to the primary receiver - this is coaching. Or he dumps it off for no gain. I think it's because he has a set play in his head that he feels the coaches must have him run instead of checking down.
5. Yes they ran the ball 38 times....but it should have been 55 times - Chargers could not stop the run - they were missing 3 D lineman & had a 40 year old linebacker.
6. Leonard Floyd? Anyone see Leonard Floyd? MIA
7. I watched Mack a lot it looked like he was taking plays off.
8. Trubisky two more TERRIBLE and verry avoidable turnovers - all on Mitch.
9. receivers were open and he couldn't find them. Also missed on some deep balls.
10. Roquan Smith had a better game.
11. The D did not look like a #1 D.
12. Bears should have won 35 to 7. Dominated....except the red zone.



Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2019, 12:05:31 pm
Beerfan, I kind of noticed the same thing on Mack, not quite as dominating as he was before.  That is a shame. 

And heaven help us:

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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 29, 2019, 12:52:21 pm
There are rumors Bears are kicking the tires on Marcus Marriota, who pace was high on in the draft.
Not sure what to think.  His career hasn't been much better than Trubisky but maybe a change is worth a tty.


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 29, 2019, 01:05:15 pm
Trubiskey's fumble and interception both came after Leno's butt came crashing into him while he was skating backwards with his date
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2019, 01:06:35 pm
I was kind of high on Marriota when he came out, but between his injuries and sub par performance, not sure if he would be better or worse than Trubisky.  And IF Pace were go do that, it would be admitting a huge fail on Trubisky.  I dont see it happening, especially not now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2019, 01:13:58 pm
Comment on Andy Dalton getting benched:

jvotoronto says:
October 29, 2019 at 1:15 pm
Chicago? Dalton not an all pro, but he looks better than Trubisky.

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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 29, 2019, 01:47:20 pm
Change of scenery can do wonders for QBs.

I don;t know how else to explain it but Mitch seems to much of a simpleton to play QB. There is something missing in his head. Doesn't quite get it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 29, 2019, 01:49:44 pm
I think Mariota has the skills.

His 2016 season was really good. His stats this season aren't that bad.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 29, 2019, 02:03:02 pm
There is one skill for quarterbacks that supersedes everything else: the ability to read the defense at the snap of the ball to figure out the open receiver.  There is only about 3 seconds to do it.
A large majority of quarterbacks drafted can't do it.  If you look at the first round qb's over a period of 5 years you will see this.  They're not asked to do it in college so it's hard to predict.

Some learn the skill in time. QB's like Brees, Foles, Steve Young come to mind.  Sometimes a different coach and system helps.

It's clear after 2 and a half years Tru doesn't have it.  I expect they will ride it out the rest of the year and bring new blood next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 29, 2019, 02:08:59 pm
I haven't seen much of Marriota this year but I saw part of their Dallas game.  One play I remember they were on about the 5 yard line. Marriota had a clean pocket and a receiver wide open in the end zone with no defender within 5 yards.
He threw the ball about 15 feet over the receiver head.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on October 29, 2019, 03:11:36 pm
Dalton wouldn't be a bad pick-up but I don't see them jettisoning Daniels unless he is part of deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on October 29, 2019, 07:52:14 pm
If the Bears acquire a new QB without first replacing Nagy, Pace should be euthanized for his own good.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 30, 2019, 05:09:15 am
I bet we're stuck with Mitch for another season.. Honestly, I would just as well stick with him as some of the retreads that are being thrown around..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 30, 2019, 07:06:59 am
My man myopic Mitch....

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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 30, 2019, 08:32:07 am
The only way a different QB helps Nagy is if he can process/do what Nagy wants.  Mitch just cant get that job done fast enough.  Some people are just super smart and can process stuff crazy fast, I think of Rogers, AND have the physical tools to do something with it.  Mitch has the physical tools but makes poor decisions.  Not sure on Marriota or Dalton, they could or could not be the answer.  And hasnt Dalton been around a while???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 30, 2019, 09:23:32 am
The problem with todays NFL as opposed to years ago is the new QB would come and sit under a vet and learn the system/game, and the speed of it. They would take time to groom him. Today that isn't always possible. Who were the Bears going to have groom him? However this works out, this team needs to once and for all fix the constant QB problems. It's way way WAY past pathetic
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on October 30, 2019, 10:51:14 am
Sportster - I agree. QBs, even good ones, regularly sat on the bench for 5 years. Stve Young wasn't even close to being good until 5 or 6 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 31, 2019, 01:57:48 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4F74vzrPo
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 31, 2019, 02:47:25 am
Daniels & Leno looked bad on the tape - Holtz looked good at FB, Lucas too slow as a TE blocker.

Coward not to bad, beat a couple times on pass plays.

the Cohen run at 4:32 shows the left side of the line in a clusterflook.

The run plays are poorly designed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 31, 2019, 02:57:01 am
If we stay in the I formation until they proved they could stop it we win that game.  I am convinced of that. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 31, 2019, 05:35:00 am
KISS
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 31, 2019, 07:08:52 am
Leno needs replaced. He got his contract and now he's playing like crap. Gotta find his replacement because the guy is a worthless turd. Massie ain't far behind. Nagys play calling is simply terrible. Those underneath screens are painful to watch with a line that finds it hard to block a simple run play much less a underneath screen. And Cohen....someone needs to have a chat with the kid. He's playing out of control. We talk about Tru not seeing things right, well Cohens got the same problem. He ain't seeing the holes that are there and instead keeps going outside and defenses today are just too fast to be able to beat that on a reg basis. Outside...outside....outside again. Ain't working...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 31, 2019, 11:43:21 am
Cohen was playing well last year.. What the heck happened? Basically, this offense is a train wreck. It's looking more and more that Nagy is in over his head.. The person I blame for this is Pace. There needs to be a major undertaking this season. Otherwise, we will witness the same thing next season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 31, 2019, 11:46:09 am
No way I sh!t can Mitch for some retread QB that's been floating around the league. Bad thing, we're fukked this next draft.. Of course, first you have to be able to evaluate talent before a 1st round draft pick does any good..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 02, 2019, 12:53:56 pm
I'll watch Georgia game today to see Jake Fromm.  So far he's a second rounder.  May have trade both second rounders to move into the first first for a qb.

Not too excited for tomorrow but I see Jason Peters is out for the eagles.  He blocked Mack 1 on 1 last game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 02, 2019, 01:51:20 pm
Unless the Bears have some miraculous turnaround they'll get killed tomorrow..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 02, 2019, 07:06:13 pm
I dont see even a close game either way. We just arent playing well enough on offense or defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 02, 2019, 07:11:12 pm
The Eagles are not a very good football team this year.  That doesn't mean I think the Bears will win.  Just that I put it at 50/50 right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 02, 2019, 08:36:11 pm
We have seen not very good football teams own the Bears this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 02, 2019, 11:26:25 pm
I may end up looking pretty dumb, but I think the bears end up winning tomorrow.  Nagy plays ball control and an embarrassed defense plays balls out.  24-13 Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 02, 2019, 11:37:13 pm
31-13 Eagles.


Defense of the bears creaks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 03, 2019, 07:48:56 am
Adam Hoge said after talking to the D players he thinks they are coming out with a chip on their shoulder, and the Bears are going to win.  Now that all depends on Nagy, how cute he gets with play calling on O, and of course turnovers.  I think its 50/50.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 03, 2019, 07:51:27 am
I was a big Vaughters fan this preseason.  I hope they let him play:

The Bears have once again cut their unofficial 54th man, in order to add a new 53rd.

Tight end Bradley Sowell was released on Saturday. The move makes room for practice-squad linebacker James Vaughters.

Vaughters will help fill the void created by linebacker Isaiah Irving, who was downgraded to out due to a quad injury and will not travel with the team to Philadelphia.

It’s the fourth time Sowell has been released this season. The three prior times, he was quickly re-signed.

This time, there’s a difference: Because the trade deadline has passed, Sowell will have to clear waivers before rejoining the Bears.

That introduces an element of risk to the 54-man roster trick. If a team loses a tight end or two to injury on Sunday, that team could try to snatch Sowell on Monday.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 03, 2019, 08:07:51 am
Last year the Bears were in a somewhat similar situation, with the running game faltering early.  Howard was roundly criticized for terrible production, and the consensus was that he was over the hill.  Then Nagy changed the offensive game plans to play to his strengths, and he performed well, along with the team.  Of course, as soon as the season ended, Howard was eliminated.

If Nagy once again changes his game plans to establish a running game, the Bears are likely to improve greatly on offense.  However, I doubt that it will be enough to turn around the season.

I would have no problem with Nagy's play calling, if he had a team (quarterback and offensive line) that could handle it.  But right now, he has neither, and refusing to adjust to reality is foolish.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 03, 2019, 09:37:24 am
One of the insane things the tape never lies guy pointed out was when the Bears have a short yardage situation they don't play straight ahead power runs - they call trap plays against stacked defenses. Absolutely nuts!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on November 03, 2019, 10:34:13 am
When you're a bad head coach, you make bad decisions.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 03, 2019, 11:20:03 am
Any takers on if Trey Burton doesnt play because of injury today, or has a subpar game?  Wait, what did I just say, he has had a subpar SEASON!!! 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 03, 2019, 03:05:03 pm
Check Pagano has been TERRIBLE. We have the players. The D is vanilla - they do not force anything. We do not get any turnovers.

Plus the team WAS NOT ready to play AGAIN.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 03, 2019, 03:16:27 pm
I remember saying they were going to miss Fangio and sadly I was right....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 04, 2019, 06:24:22 am
And all Pagano had to do he said was not screw the pooch... Well it looks like he has.....

That said... 9 yards offense in 1st half ? You have got to be **** kidding me......
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 04, 2019, 09:49:04 am
Angelo & Emory failed because they pretty much ignored the OL. Look at the OL on the 85 Bears. Hilgenberg, Thayer, Bortz, Van Horne & Jimbo Covert. 34 years on and they're still remembered. Look at the OL the Bears started yesterday.

Pace is making the same mistake Angelo & Emory did. Don't see why he should be given any more failure time than they were.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 04, 2019, 10:04:07 am
Yep - Tom Terrific would have struggled with this O-line
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 04, 2019, 12:20:33 pm
This is the same offensive group that put up 450 yards against the Patriots last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 04, 2019, 12:41:54 pm
Like this guy:

Trey Burton had nine receptions for a career-high 126 yards, including an 11-yard TD with 4:13 remaining in that game
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 04, 2019, 02:07:07 pm
How many years have we been screaming "Build the trenches!" on this board?

Or was that just me?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 04, 2019, 02:42:15 pm
The problem with building the trenches has been lack of a dang QB. We keep throwing picks at that position and time and effort trying to get a decent QB in here, and it keeps failing time and again. To get a very good LT takes a high pick, usually, unless you're very lucky in later rounds getting a decent player. And very good tackles aren't usually on the market. Teams like to keep them around. But we need to definitely spend the picks and get it fixed this next year, along with finding the next "franchise QB", both in the same offseason good luck with THAT.... ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 04, 2019, 02:54:33 pm
We can get Chad Kelly for nothing.

If we build the trenches well, we don't need a franchise QB...we could win with a Bridgewater or a Kelly or even a Mariota...just someone to make the right read when given enough time in the pocket.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on November 04, 2019, 03:05:57 pm
We can get Chad Kelly for nothing.

If we build the trenches well, we don't need a franchise QB...we could win with a Bridgewater or a Kelly or even a Mariota...just someone to make the right read when given enough time in the pocket.

This has been Pace's biggest failure. He kept trading up for skill players and giving up draft picks that should have been used to add OL depth. 3 years now I've been hoping for more OL draft picks... and nada. The team should be drafting a OL in the first 3 rounds, every single year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 04, 2019, 03:21:05 pm
I don't think you just change the QB and fix everything unless their name is Rodgers or Brady or Wilson.  All of the other QB's you have to build a system around

Nagy is stubborn to a fault.  He needs to resign himself that Trubisky is not at the 200 level and will need extra class time to get there.  He may, he may not.  But he has traits and skills and does some things well.  Nagy just goes away from it because it isn't what he wants to run.

He is going to stubborn himself right out of the league.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 04, 2019, 04:04:11 pm
I read somewhere there is still time to cut no snap Davis for a 4th...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on November 04, 2019, 04:21:58 pm
As dave pointed out you dont need an amazing QB if you have a Oline that is a positive in the run game and keep the QB clean.

Look at the cowboys, they have a terrible coach, terrible GM. Competent on offense most nights. And it all starts with the OL. They have drafted a OL in the 1st or 2nd round now. in 6 of the last 8 years, plus they signed lael collins when he had his draft fiasco. They also have had absolute **** offensive coordinators, but somehow Dak can stand back there for 5 minutes and find the open receiver most plays.

Even though their line is stacked, they still spent a 2nd on Mcgovern this past year. They will likely draft another OL this coming draft at the top as well with Smith now having some more significant back issues.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 04, 2019, 05:33:10 pm
Bears 'method'ology has been find the linemen down the draft, later rounds. Get lucky and find a stud. They don't put as much emphasis on drafting linemen high. When was the last tackle we drafted high? Guessing it was quite a while ago and it shows. What's left of this coming draft has to be putting high emphasis on linemen....
The last tackle they drafted within the top 4 slots?....Gabe Carimi 2011. They've drafted two since and both are from the bottom of the draft, Leno being one. This is most definitely a significant reason why they are sitting at the bottom of the Division presently.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 04, 2019, 05:56:47 pm
Chris Willaims, Stan Thomas were both tackles drafted high.  Williams was top 10, I think Thomas was a 20  Marc Columbo.  He was always injured for us then as a member of the Cowboys leg whipped Tommie Harris and our defense was weakened just enough to lose the Superbowl in 2006
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on November 04, 2019, 07:11:59 pm
I think Kyle Long was our most recent 1st round OL. Seems like Daniels and Whitehair were both  2nd rounders.  Those are kind of high picks for interior OL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 04, 2019, 07:22:31 pm
Angelo & Emory failed because they pretty much ignored the OL. Look at the OL on the 85 Bears. Hilgenberg, Thayer, Bortz, Van Horne & Jimbo Covert. 34 years on and they're still remembered. Look at the OL the Bears started yesterday.

Pace is making the same mistake Angelo & Emory did. Don't see why he should be given any more failure time than they were.

Reasonable play calling could mitigate some of the problems, and a competent quarterback would help, but you are right.  The core of the problem is the offensive line.  With no high draft choice this year, it will be difficult to address this problem in the immediate future.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 04, 2019, 07:42:06 pm
I think Kyle Long was our most recent 1st round OL. Seems like Daniels and Whitehair were both  2nd rounders.  Those are kind of high picks for interior OL.
Ironically enough, those are the two pieces that don’t need replacing...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on November 04, 2019, 08:18:28 pm
Bears 'method'ology has been find the linemen down the draft, later rounds. Get lucky and find a stud. They don't put as much emphasis on drafting linemen high. When was the last tackle we drafted high? Guessing it was quite a while ago and it shows. What's left of this coming draft has to be putting high emphasis on linemen....
The last tackle they drafted within the top 4 slots?....Gabe Carimi 2011. They've drafted two since and both are from the bottom of the draft, Leno being one. This is most definitely a significant reason why they are sitting at the bottom of the Division presently.

You can call me all the names you like over on the other thread, but dont associate my name with what the bears are doing to the Oline, thats a step to far...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 04, 2019, 09:02:40 pm
The Bears have two second round picks which could also be quite high.  Amakamura, Trevathan and Long likely out and Clinton Dix may not want to stay.
There will be decisions to be made.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on November 04, 2019, 09:13:22 pm
Until Nagy is replaced, nothing else matters.  He's the worst head coach in franchise history and one of the worst in the history of the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 04, 2019, 10:35:55 pm
You never heard of Abe Gibron?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 05, 2019, 05:21:18 am
John Harbaugh effectively transitioned the Ravens from a declining Superbowl winning team under Flacco, to an upstart challenger in the AFC with the anti Joe Flacco in Lamar Jackson.  The QBs could not be more different, and the styles of offense were adapted to fit the skill set of the QB running the position.  Nagy has a vision, perhaps an amazing one, but this team and this QB does not meet that vision.

I rank the offensive issues in order as Nagy and his stubbornness to adapt his scheme, the offensive tackles, and then the QB.  It can be said that a great QB can hide a lot of flaws and we look no further than our own division to see that on the regular with Rodgers.  But Trubisky isn't Rodgers, and unless the Packers want to swap with us at the end of the season, Rodgers isn't coming.  Nagy needs to adapt or be replaced.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on November 05, 2019, 07:30:04 am
You never heard of Abe Gibron?

It's close, but Nagy is worse.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on November 05, 2019, 07:50:44 am
John Harbaugh effectively transitioned the Ravens from a declining Superbowl winning team under Flacco, to an upstart challenger in the AFC with the anti Joe Flacco in Lamar Jackson.  The QBs could not be more different, and the styles of offense were adapted to fit the skill set of the QB running the position.  Nagy has a vision, perhaps an amazing one, but this team and this QB does not meet that vision.

I rank the offensive issues in order as Nagy and his stubbornness to adapt his scheme, the offensive tackles, and then the QB.  It can be said that a great QB can hide a lot of flaws and we look no further than our own division to see that on the regular with Rodgers.  But Trubisky isn't Rodgers, and unless the Packers want to swap with us at the end of the season, Rodgers isn't coming.  Nagy needs to adapt or be replaced.

Nagy would trade Lamar away, because he doesnt fit the system.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 05, 2019, 08:18:15 am
The real pissser is that we were all sold that Harry Heistand was the OL guru, and was going to transform all our guys into studs.  He actually has transformed all our guys into DUDS.  Although Daniel at C is like only 21, he seems lost on a regular basis.  Whitehair does a lot of blocking nobody or his own teammate.  Pretty sure that is on the OL coach, and those are our two best OL currently.  Leno and Massie, both need replacing, no question.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 05, 2019, 10:55:33 am
On Saturday, the Bears cut tight end Bradley Sowell to make room for the promotion of linebacker James Vaughters. On Monday, the Bears cut Vaughters to re-sign Sowell.

The team announced the move, marking the fourth time this season they have cut and re-signed Sowell.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 05, 2019, 11:58:05 am

We have 11 turnovers so far - last year at this time we had 21.

We do not have a great pass rush.

The linebackers over pursue every running play.

Has Pagano been fired yet?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 05, 2019, 11:59:16 am
Heard Olin Kreutz talking yesterday.....he said the whole problem with the O is the O-line - period and end of story. They have been terrible. And this from an expert. It's NOT Mitch's fault.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 05, 2019, 12:33:12 pm
Not making excuses for Mitch, but he has zero time to go thru any progressions, keeps getting hit, and has to guess which is the right read and get rid of the ball too soon.  Give him some protection and I think maybe his play might improve.  Now WHY the O Line is playing like craap, that is another story.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 05, 2019, 12:48:51 pm
Play the defensive guys both ways - they're on the field most of the game anyway
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 05, 2019, 12:55:40 pm
Sage Rosenfels was saying on the SCORE he thinks the should roll out Trubisky on most plays the way the Cardinals used to with Jake Plummer (or the young Cam Newton) to negate the rush.

I agree and besides that's where his best plays have come from.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 05, 2019, 03:29:22 pm
I said that a week or so ago, start rolling him out. To keep him behind that horrid Oline is just ignorant. It's more than just the Oline- Nagys play calling sucks, Tru isn't seeing the entire field and when he does it's a 50-50 chance he makes the throw. It's Pace with his drafts. It's a concerted effort to fail....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 05, 2019, 03:46:23 pm
Oh my heavens, I suppose Sage is about to declare that water is wet too.

His 2 best throws this season were rollout chucks to Gabriel.

When I watch a Baltimore offense catered to the skills of their QB, I get insanely jealous.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 06, 2019, 07:45:02 am
It's a waste of talent for the whole team - the window of opportunity is very small for each player - they won't stay if this continues
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 06, 2019, 09:47:18 am
Werent we all hoping we could keep our DC? But that didnt materialize. Pagano has been less than we all hoped he would be. We were expecting a Superbowl defense, but the DC change seems to have derailed the Superbowl-express.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 06, 2019, 09:56:13 am
I think we have all thought about this, and some have posted about it. So its not new but the trade deadline is over.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/05/bears-five-quarterback-options-2020-mitchell-trubisky-teddy-bridgewater-marcus-mariota/

Personally, I am not in favor of wasting our draft picks on another QB. We have too many other needs. The Foles option is tempting if it werent so expensive. OTOH the writing on the wall is we need a different QB next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 06, 2019, 10:37:50 am
Interesting tape review, Nagy's run plays are terribly designed, pass plays OK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-FTaZvGFYY&t=73s
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 06, 2019, 10:46:51 am
But are his plays designed to have the O-line skating backwards into the QB and RB?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 06, 2019, 11:23:07 am
Until this O line mess is straightened up, I don't even want to think bout a different QB.. Especially some retread..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 06, 2019, 11:23:53 am
MItch actually showed promise last year.. WTH happened I don't know..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 06, 2019, 11:29:49 am
I do want to say Rodgers sat on the bench for 3 years watching Favre. I don't understanding rushing QBs - Mitch was raw coming out of college. In the old days (1960's and 1970's) most QBs, regardless of talent sat on the bench for 5 years. Teams groomed QBs - the Bears NEVER do this. They even let Bray go.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 06, 2019, 02:04:53 pm
the tape never lies -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nLStkkq3_A
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2019, 02:15:45 pm
We need to face facts, Trubisky is a very expensive bust. They will need to bring in QBs to compete with him next season. They can't expect for the light to go on anytime soon and turn this around. This position is just too important to stay with a kid who ain't getting it...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2019, 02:23:51 pm
And I said it before and will continue saying it, put the fricking line back to where it was LAST SEASON!! Put Whitehair at center!! It's inexcusable to keep going with what is NOT working! And Shaheen is another high pick bust. Didn't like the pick then, hate it now. Who in their right mind chooses a project pick in the 2nd round?? In the 2nd you're looking for a impact player, not a friggin project, one who can come in and immediately contribute. Get rid of him, he's worthless.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2019, 02:32:06 pm
So, at the very least, we're going to need a new TE, at LEAST one new tackle but honestly and in reality TWO, and once again, a QB....I'm so D sick of seeing this team flail around with inept QBs....it's just crazy...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 07, 2019, 04:59:12 am
I love that tape never lies guy.  Favorite part of the season is listening to him dog the Oline and coaching.

D. Montgomery just pops off the tape.  Guy is really, really good.  Give him an Oline and he stays healthy he is future HOFer.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 07, 2019, 06:08:34 am
Montgomery kind of reminds me of a young Frank Gore. Not sure HoF but damn good RB......

And WTF is Shaheen still doing on the team ? Cut his useless ass already....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 07, 2019, 07:18:29 am
If you like the tape never lies guy, he does a podcast (https://bearsbarroom.podbean.com/e/bears-100-proof-is-it-really-this-bad/) called Bears 100 proof and he does a post game show "Last Call" as well.  It is a very long but a good NSFW listen.  Barroom and OB and Hamp are all I listen to now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 07, 2019, 08:01:01 am
Unfortunately the Bears offense is the "get right" team for the Lions defense this week....

As the season devolves into (yet) another wasted year, at least some of the games may be amusing. I think this will be one of those. Which team klutzes its way to a win ?

It would be nice to see some flashes from players and coaches, but the NFL officiating is extremely bad and will probably ruin the experience......

For shits and giggles, here's something fun:

From 1977.

https://twitter.com/FootbaIl_Tweets/status/1190740619112534016
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 07, 2019, 08:27:31 am
Yep we have about 4 TEs that do nothing. They say Burton is still not 100% - then WHY is he playing. We have 5 TEs counting Sowell.

Holtz is the only one worth anything right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 07, 2019, 08:29:57 am
I heard we cut Mike Davis? There is some rule that if you cut a BUST free agent now you get a compensation draft pick??? like a 4th rounder.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/11/5/20950164/bears-mike-davis-running-back-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-compensatory-draft-pick-not-let-anything-take-joy

I would take a 4th rounder for Davis right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 07, 2019, 09:13:36 am
I'd take a 7th rounder.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 07, 2019, 10:59:22 am
Im not sure who our TE coach is, but that guy needs to be shot, and then run out of town.  Shaheen is putrid, and Burton is worthless as well. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 07, 2019, 11:14:33 am
I see Holtz as our FB, really good blocking.

I'd start playing Harvard's own Ben B. simply because there's no one else, time to see if he's a NFL player.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 07, 2019, 11:30:01 am
I think Braunecker does play, but mostly on ST.  Dax Raymond from the PS should be brought up, IR Burton, so we can see what he can do.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 07, 2019, 11:44:18 am
I don't give a crap about special teams - I want to know if he can play TE. Burton's done, Shaheen sucks, Sowell sure as hell ain't the answer & Holtz is our FB.

Nothing against seeing if Raymond can play (tho he doesn't have the potential of Horsted), but I rather see if Braunecker can play first.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 07, 2019, 06:09:09 pm
It is unfortunate that they let Horsted go.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 07, 2019, 10:19:12 pm
It is unfortunate that they let Horsted go.


Horsted is on the practice squad with Dax Raymond.

I like Horsted's potential, but he was a wr in college & needs to bulk up some if he hopes to be able to handle the TE spot & I hope that's what he's doing.

Dax Raymond is older (Mormon mission guy I think) and should be ready to play now & show if he has anything to contribute.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 07, 2019, 10:39:19 pm
Friggen raiders won again.

I was hoping the second rounder we got in the Mack trade would be high.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 08, 2019, 01:37:17 pm
Interesting, Hoge and Jahns think Whitehair is starting at C this week.  We shall see.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 08, 2019, 02:37:43 pm
watching the tape reviews I've been surprised how much Daniels gets overpowered.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 08, 2019, 07:51:17 pm

Horsted is on the practice squad with Dax Raymond.

I like Horsted's potential, but he was a wr in college & needs to bulk up some if he hopes to be able to handle the TE spot & I hope that's what he's doing.

Dax Raymond is older (Mormon mission guy I think) and should be ready to play now & show if he has anything to contribute.

Thanks, Bill.  I thought they had not signed him to the practice squad.  I hope they don't lose him.  He reminds me of Gregg Olson.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 09, 2019, 08:59:13 am
The Bears are done with running back Mike Davis, after paying him $3 million to rush for 25 yards.

Davis is being waived today, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

That was to be expected, as getting rid of him now saves the Bears a fourth-round compensatory pick.

But while it was to be expected, it remains a sign of bad roster management by Bears General Manager Ryan Pace. During the offseason Pace traded away the Bears’ best running back, Jordan Howard, and hoped that signing Davis to a two-year, $6 million contract would improve the Bears’ running game.

Instead, Davis has done nothing in Chicago, while Howard has played well for the Eagles — including helping them beat the Bears last week. The Bears’ running game has declined this season, and replacing Howard with Davis was a big reason for that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 09, 2019, 10:45:41 am
Heh, someone has a “Trade Trubisky” sign at College Gameday this morning...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 09, 2019, 05:07:24 pm
Joki

Still thinks Joe Burrow will be there for the Bears second round pick?

It's more likely he will be the first pick by the Dolphins.

I think I'll watch Oklahoma and see if Hurts looks like an option.  I would love Fromm but he's so savvy I think he'll go the second half of the first round to a team like NE, LA, Pitt., NO looking for their successor QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 09, 2019, 05:33:49 pm
My thought is the bears don't draft a QB with the two seconds.  They can't wait for another guy to develop, the window is probably the next 20 and 21 if it exists at all.  Bring in a vet to compete with Trubisky.  If a QB with some upside is around when the bears have their comp pick, that's when I'd pull the trigger.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 09, 2019, 06:03:18 pm
If Alex Smith is healthy and available next year he would be the Bears best chance of finding a QB who has proven he can run this offense effectively.

However the QB is not going to matter if they don't get the O-line fixed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 09, 2019, 06:30:31 pm
If Alex Smith is healthy and available next year he would be the Bears best chance of finding a QB who has proven he can run this offense effectively.

However the QB is not going to matter if they don't get the O-line fixed.

Yeah that's the mystery.

Leno was all pro alternate last year.  He can't block this year.
Whitehair was all pro and is playing pretty well.
Daniels showed a lot of promise at guard and now cant block at center.
Coward is new and struggling.
Massie is playing ok but was better last year.

As a unit they're not getting off the ball, according to Olin Kreutz.  He didn't say and wasn't asked by the Chicago media if he thinks it's because of Heistand's zone blocking philosophy. 
Other analysts say zone blocking causes you to pause before the block to get an angle.
I'm not convinced that getting other players is the answer or not.
WE could improve at guard and maybe Bars is the answer, or use a draft pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 09, 2019, 07:10:23 pm
If Alex Smith is healthy and available next year he would be the Bears best chance of finding a QB who has proven he can run this offense effectively.

However the QB is not going to matter if they don't get the O-line fixed.
Last I heard Smith was working on walking without a cane or walker.  I think that puts him out of the picture for next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 09, 2019, 07:17:48 pm
I'm a ND fan too, so I've seen a lot of heistand.  My impression is that he is great at developing a players fundamentals and one on one blocking skills.  But he is bad at coordinating an oline in terms of scheme and assignments.  He's a much better fit at the college level then pro imo.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 09, 2019, 07:43:09 pm
He has had 17 surgeries on the leg.  He says he is coming back and the Redskins have held onto him knowing he won't play at all this year. 

So there is a chance.  He has an out in in 2021.  So maybe they would take a trade in the offseason.

A rookie sets us back and we miss the window because it is pretty obvious Nagy isn't going to change the system to fit the QB.  The QB has to fit the system.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 09, 2019, 09:25:53 pm
However the QB is not going to matter if they don't get the O-line fixed.

Ding, ding, ding. Exactly why those 2 2nds should go to drafting OLine. Be like The Cowgirls and invest in a 4th rounder. Oops.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 11, 2019, 07:48:49 am
Kruetz is a great interview and can be brutally honest.  But I don't think he has said anything negative about Coach Harry...and it's understandable.  He has immense respect for him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 13, 2019, 05:07:56 am
I see there is a story floating around that Fox wanted Watson instead of Trubisky..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 13, 2019, 08:44:40 am
Too funny.  And he would have ruined Watson.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 13, 2019, 08:54:25 am
hindsight is 20-20 of course

Mahomes could be Wentz 2.0 after the injury

Watson or Jackson could end up like RG3

TruBEARsky could end up being a stud if the O-line starts to "gel"

How many years have we said that?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 13, 2019, 09:04:10 am
Too many
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 13, 2019, 09:14:06 am
Nice read on Mack:

https://wgnradio.com/2019/11/12/hoge-effective-but-not-productive-how-opponents-are-minimizing-the-impact-of-khalil-mack/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 13, 2019, 10:52:49 am
Baby steps..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcBYaei7Dbw
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 13, 2019, 11:45:38 am
Well there is little doubt that our O line sucks a$s!! What's disappointing is our head coach is supposed to be an offensive guru, yet our O is a complete clusterfukk..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 13, 2019, 11:49:45 am
Pagano is obviously not putting Mack in a position to succeed..

First thing I do is fire Pagano and Hiestand. I give Nagy an ultimatum, either hire a true O coordinator to straighten this mess out or pack your bags..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 13, 2019, 01:00:57 pm
Yep, Pagano does not = Fangio.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 13, 2019, 02:01:26 pm
I see there is a story floating around that Fox wanted Watson instead of Trubisky..

There is a long expose by Tribune writer Rich Campbell on the Bears process to get to Trubisky.

After listening to SCORE guys discuss it I probably won't read it because sounds like it will just be too depressing.

But, yes, Fox favored Watson.

Hub Arkush said he spoke to personell people on 30 teams before that draft on their evaluations of the QB's
20 favored Watson   6 Favored Trubisky and 2 Mahommes.

I've been unemployed lately so have heard many many analysts players coaches former GM's opinions.

The best I can figure is Nagy is trying to get Tru to run his offense and Tru's skills aren't suited.
In the meantime other teams like Baltimore and Houston are adapting their offenses to the QB's strengths.  Pretty much what we already knew.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on November 13, 2019, 03:14:45 pm
I saw something awhile back mention that one of the main reasons Nagy took the job is because he felt that Mitch did fit his system.  I think our OL is the biggest problem right now. We need to be able to run the ball. Running the ball opens things up. If you can’t run the ball, you better have a great QB throwing it, and Mitch isn’t there yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 13, 2019, 03:17:06 pm
According to Draft Dr Phil our OL is like the Keystone Cops.  And I kind of agree.  Although like he points out you wonder how some of the plays are actually designed, like when Cohen runs wide when there is a good crease he should hit. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 13, 2019, 03:34:02 pm
Yeah Cohen likes to run out of bounds a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 13, 2019, 03:53:25 pm
He may think he is the fastest dude on the field, but, it dont really look that way.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 13, 2019, 05:08:43 pm
watching the tape never lies & no one & I mean no one on the OL is doing their job, they all stink.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 13, 2019, 09:11:50 pm
https://youtu.be/lRUvbfgtysA
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on November 14, 2019, 07:56:57 am
  I've said many times this organization has been negligent in addressing our needs at OT. A 7th rounder and a mediocre free agent pickup. There's a good reason franchise OTs never make it to free agency. Therefore you need to prioritize it in your draft. It's the most important position on the line if you want to keep your QB upright. I don't know if there will be any worthy of one of our 2nd rounders,but,if so it's time to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 14, 2019, 12:42:07 pm
Yep, Mitch was sacked 5 times Sunday against a team that had 14 sacks coming in. Most were NOT Mitch's fault. The line is atrocious.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2019, 02:18:21 pm
Do you agree with this?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/11/13/20963750/colin-kaepernick-odds-nfl-team-workout-chicago-bears

IMHO a signing by the Bears would be a mistake that Bears ownership would not make. While I agree the Bears could be desperate enough to sign somebody, I seriously imagine the Bears to be that  desperate.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 14, 2019, 02:31:36 pm
He had ONE good season in the NFL - that was 2013....6 years ago. No way do you sign this guy and the drama he brings.

His last couple years were atrocious. His last year he had a game 33 yards throwing and 4 picks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 14, 2019, 03:16:14 pm
They also had Mitch as the MVP of the NFL before the season. I am not concerned at all. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 14, 2019, 06:34:23 pm
You guys have not had a good quarterback since players went both ways in the NFL and you’re beechin about going to a workout with him?


Football is about putting the best players on the field who deserve to play. Kneeling for the national anthem should not disqualify a player.


Move on
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2019, 10:20:29 pm
Yea, the Bears need to move on from Kaepernick
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on November 15, 2019, 05:21:16 am
It would be kind of bad to see Kapernick in a Bears uniform kneeling during the National Anthem ON SOLDIER FIELD! There are much better ways to show you are against police brutality/racism without dishonoring our flag and the troops.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 15, 2019, 08:14:01 am
He's a self centered distraction.
Teams with distractions lose.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 15, 2019, 10:04:31 am
Good Grief!

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/14/bears-interest-colin-kaepernick-matt-nagy-mitchell-trubisky/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Nice sidestep.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 15, 2019, 01:39:56 pm
At last Burton is out.  Lets bring up some guys.

The Bears have ruled tight ends Adam Shaheen and Trey Burton, along with linebacker Danny Trevathan out this week.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 16, 2019, 04:47:32 pm
Distractions?


Teams without quality coaching and players lose.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 17, 2019, 06:10:02 am
Football is the ultimate team sport. I think that is one of its biggest attractions.

Ten guys can do their jobs perfectly on any play, but if one screws up it can be a bad play.

Coaches can take a talented group of guys and make them look like buffoons. Or they can take a group of so-so talent and make them world beaters.

I still enjoy the game (Monday was a good football game that even a non-football fan could enjoy) but watching the Bears is becoming somewhat "unbearable" unfortunately, kind of like hitting yourself in the face every Sunday for 3 hours.....

Yet I still watch. I must be a masochist :D

That said. Go Bears (and I'll start wearing boxing gloves in Sunday).....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 17, 2019, 07:54:02 am
But how can you hold your beer if you are wearing boxing gloves?  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 17, 2019, 08:00:51 am
More than about time:

The Bears announced tight end Adam Shaheen, outside linebacker Isaiah Irving, linebacker Danny Trevathan and tight end Trey Burton were not on the charter to Los Angeles.

It was not a surprise since the Bears ruled out all four Friday.

Burton has a calf injury, Irving a quadriceps injury, Trevathan an elbow injury and Shaheen a foot injury.

The Bears later announced they placed Burton on injured reserve.

They activated linebacker James Vaughters from the practice squad to take his place.

Burton had a groin injury to end 2018 and sports hernia surgery in the offseason. He played through another groin injury this season, catching 14 passes for 84 yards in eight games, but he injured his calf last week against Detroit.

The Bears have Ben Braunecker, J.P. Holtz and converted tackle Bradley Sowell at tight end.

Vaughters played 13 defensive snaps and eight on special teams last week against the Lions. He made his NFL debut a week earlier and played four defensive snaps and nine on special teams against the Eagles.

The Bears cut him five days ago to re-sign Sowell.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 17, 2019, 08:06:17 am
Dang:

The #Steelers signed RB Kerrith Whyte Jr. off the #Bears practice squad. 7th round pick this year gets added to Pittsburgh’s 53-man roster.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 17, 2019, 01:20:20 pm
I think this is a 100% must win.

The Vikings are losing at HOME to Denver 17 to 0 right now. We win and will fall 1 game back behind the Queens in the loss column.

Packers will lose to the 49ers. We have to beat them in GB.  They will lose in Detroit. And could lose the Vikings. Peckers only have 2 more home games left.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 17, 2019, 01:42:51 pm
Dang:

The #Steelers signed RB Kerrith Whyte Jr. off the #Bears practice squad. 7th round pick this year gets added to Pittsburgh’s 53-man roster.

The Bears and their fans will regret losing Whyte.  In a season that sucks as badly as this one, they were idiots to take the chance of losing him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 17, 2019, 01:55:27 pm
Especially with Montgomery hurt.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 18, 2019, 07:04:53 am
Well, I've mitigated my drinking somewhat- these days I drink through the early games of the day and quit for the late ones. I still almost wanted to hit myself watching Denver give up a huge lead to help the Vikings but I quickly got over that. Couldn't find the boxing gloves though.....

What a game last night. On the 1st offensive play of the game (Cohen run up the middle) I knew they were going to lose. Nagy does not get it. Think players are making "business decisions" now that they know the season is over.

If Nagy is not gone then the firings will be most/all the offensive coaches (at least Rogone and Helfrich but that fool Heistand's gotta hit the road too) in order for him to keep his job. IMHO And he may quit if he is forced to do so. Win/Win ?

Beyond disappointed in this team (common theme for most of the last 4 decades with a few bright spots between). Cursed 100 season for sure.....  :(
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 18, 2019, 07:45:18 am
The number of times the Bears have made the playoffs in back to back years since 1991.  Once (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/playoffs.htm).
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 18, 2019, 08:06:47 am
I don't even care about the playoffs so much - but don't be an EMBARASSMENT for the fans - who pay alot of money to root for you
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 18, 2019, 09:24:42 am
What bothers me most is the OL is not improving week to week.
Even in the Jauron years picking guys off the street they improved as the season went along.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 18, 2019, 09:51:04 am
Well, we officially know several things:

1. We won last year because of Vic Fangio and the defense - a swarming defense, because talent created a lot of turnovers and sacks.
2. For some reason Nagy was playing to lose. To make Pace look bad?
3. Cohen is not a running back. Quit running him up the middle.
4. Nagy IS NOT an offensive coordinator - he is TERRIBLE!!!!!! 7 points against another team that did not want to win.
5. Pinero should be unemployed by Wednesday. Nugent is available. Strong leg but NOT accurate & not able top handle game day pressure.
6. It's very clear our safeties do not like contact - this is a huge problem.
7. Earth to Khalil Mack, earth to Khalil Mack - you were in a football game last night - you're paid $143 MILLION to make things happen.
8. Has Pagano and his soft D been fired yet?

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 18, 2019, 11:16:24 am
Pagano should be the first to go. Then Nagy then Pace. A team that was supposed to contend for the division.. right...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 18, 2019, 11:47:39 am
Pagano...the guy whose defensive scheme eliminates Khalil Mack from the D. WTF.

Fangio moved Mack around the line to give him a chance.

Does Pagano know what a sack is?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 18, 2019, 11:51:04 am
I also think Nagy is clueless. He doesn't understand quite what is going on - especially during the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 18, 2019, 08:56:47 pm
Back to last place Bears...for next year too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 18, 2019, 10:20:52 pm
I mentioned at the start of the season they would miss Fangio and I was right....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 18, 2019, 11:13:36 pm
Someone needs to tell Nagy (Pace) to give up the offensive play calling. Your 31st in the League Nagy - it's not working.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 19, 2019, 06:38:47 am

The anger at the D is understandable but misplaced. Its not the world beaters envisioned at the start of the season but it is NOT bad...

Hold a team to 17 or fewer points and your team should win with any semblance of an average NFL offense (I think they average around that per game)....

Bears have bigger problems than Pagano. I think he's average to above average. And that is WAY WAY higher than that clown car offense is.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 19, 2019, 07:30:49 am
So I watched the second half last night, and they actually played better than the first.  The TD drive was nice, and the D was smothering the Rams playing 6 on the line, right up until they had their TD drive.  Not sure why Pagano decided to NOT do that, kind of dumb.  And it is sad to say that the OL looked better with Lucas at RT than Massie.  Now the weak link is Daniels, he just gets pushed around, a lot.  They should put in Larson for him, and see what they have.  Then again Whitehairs high snaps are a problem.  And again still no Mack.  Run out wide, no pursuit, sad really. 

So I have become a HUGE fan of the Tape Never Lies guy, Dr Draft Phil.  Here is his post game rant, NSFW as the language and rantings go on.  But I really cant argue with a single point he makes.  My favorite point he makes, fire Ted Phillips, hire Gary Fencik (a pretty smart guy) and let him decide on the GM and head coach on down.  This was cathartic to listen to after a disappointing loss.

https://bearsbarroom.podbean.com/e/last-call-bears-7-rams-17/

Oh and they say that Trubisky was NOT hurt, that he flat out got benched.  May or may not be true.  But he was dejected on the sidelines and the presser afterwards for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on November 19, 2019, 07:37:38 am
I expect if the offense started clicking, the defense would look better.
If we upgrade 2 OL positions, this is a different team.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 19, 2019, 08:40:37 am
Um, dude has checked out:

Khalil Mack didn’t play as many snaps as usual, and the Bears outside linebacker made far fewer plays than usual.

Mack played 47 snaps, the sixth-fewest of his career, and with the Rams throwing only 18 passes, he finished with no statistics. Not a sack. Not a tackle. Not a quarterback hit.

It is only the third time Mack has been shut out in his six-year NFL career, according to Mark Potash of the Chicago Sun-Times.

“Khalil, he doesn’t have to change anything he’s doing,” Bears coach Matt Nagy said. “He’s a pretty good player, and he understands in this scheme it cyclical, and we’re just in that right now. Teams are going to double him every single game, and it just gives opportunities to other guys.”

The absence of Pro Bowl defensive end Akiem Hicks, who is on injured reserve with a dislocated elbow, has allowed opponents to slow Mack. Mack had 4.5 sacks and four forced fumbles in the first four games. He has one sack and no forced fumbles in the past six games.

“You see that, with some of the production — and you see that with a lot of superstars,” Nagy said. “You can go back to last year with Aaron Donald, when he played us, there wasn’t any [two tackles, one quarterback hit in 68 snaps].

“Sometimes that happens, but it opens it up for other guys. [Mack] was a part of the first play of the game with the [Todd Gurley] fumble. He was right there with Eddie Jackson, ripping the ball out.”
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 19, 2019, 10:16:53 am
Oh yeah - say that to his face, will ya...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 19, 2019, 10:20:08 am
Yeah maybe not to his face.  lol
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 19, 2019, 10:34:48 am
Bears O is 31st in the league. The QB is the 34th ranked QB.......it's time for Nagy to give up the play calling - it's not working. He oblivious to this and the ego is taking over.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 19, 2019, 12:23:31 pm
Good article on whether Trubisky hurt his hip or not...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/11/18/20971598/chcago-bears-mitch-trubisky-hip-pointer-injury-matt-nagy-los-angles-rams-film-study
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 19, 2019, 01:00:27 pm
If he did in fact hurt his hip, and Nagy knew about it, and still called that idiotic RPO option play, he should be fired immediately. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 19, 2019, 01:30:13 pm
What does it matter at this point?

One of the most disappointing seasons in Bears history is over.

Maybe they'll place him on IR and sign someone who's never played before to see if the can find the Kyle Allen/Minshew magic.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 19, 2019, 02:22:31 pm
One of the most disappointing seasons in Bears history is over.

It is. It wouldnt shock me if they lost the rest of their season games. Smoke that
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 19, 2019, 05:26:20 pm
Nagy was so great last year and this year he is worse the Trestman....oblivious and clueless.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on November 19, 2019, 07:02:40 pm
That Nagy was great last year is a myth.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 20, 2019, 05:49:30 am
Oh yeah - say that to his face, will ya...

Guaranty he would agree.. Mack is now on a team that is demoralized.. High expectations shot down by an idiot of a head coach...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 20, 2019, 08:24:18 am
The Tape Never Lies guy on that pod cast says Nagy has lost the team in the locker room.  Macks play and attitude sure confirm this.  He said he has it from sources on the team that not everyone buys into Nagys rah rah shtick.  I would agree, especially when I see him make dumb decisions.  And this season has been over for a couple of weeks now, but unfortunately, we still have to watch SIX more games, and dont get to benefit from a first round pick.  I hate getting my pants pulled down around my ankles......
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 20, 2019, 08:44:45 am
James Vaughters should be used to this by now.

According to the NFL’s transactions wire, the Bears cut Vaughters off the 53-player roster Tuesday in what seems like a weekly move. If form holds, the Bears will re-sign him to the practice squad Wednesday (if he clears waivers) and then re-sign him to the active roster later in the week.

The linebacker has played the past three games, making three tackles.

He made his NFL debut in Week Nine and played four defensive snaps and nine on special teams against the Eagles. Vaughters played 13 defensive snaps and eight on special teams against the Lions in Week 10, and he saw action on nine defensive snaps and seven on special teams last week.

The Bears added defensive end Dewayne Hendrix to the practice squad.

They also are expected to sign running back Jeremy McNichols, a former fifth-round choice, to the practice squad, Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 20, 2019, 08:49:40 am
Indybear says:
November 19, 2019 at 1:02 pm
Coach just needs to shut up. A blind person can he’s in over his head. Example? Third and short against the Rams. A RPO play to the short side (left) into a stacked box with a gimpy QB pitching the ball with his bum shoulder.

Who, in their right mind, would ever call that play? That’s right….Mr. “Zero Ego”. Got it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 20, 2019, 11:04:43 am
Let the kid play please:

The #Bears have promoted TE Jesper Horsted to the active roster. Looks like the rookie from Princeton is going to get his shot.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 20, 2019, 12:01:48 pm
Great.  Get some value out of an otherwise wasted season.

They took the same risk with Whyte, and lost him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2019, 01:10:09 pm
Peke, your age is showing...wrong forum....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2019, 01:29:32 pm
Sorry about that.  I was carrying on two conversations on messenger and trying to post those at the same time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 20, 2019, 01:30:08 pm
Indybear says:
November 19, 2019 at 1:02 pm
Coach just needs to shut up. A blind person can he’s in over his head. Example? Third and short against the Rams. A RPO play to the short side (left) into a stacked box with a gimpy QB pitching the ball with his bum shoulder.

Who, in their right mind, would ever call that play? That’s right….Mr. “Zero Ego”. Got it.

Agreed 100%....couldn't believe that DUMB play.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 20, 2019, 01:32:22 pm
Why can't we get and ex-Bear as coach....someone who cares, has passion, will play snot-nose football, will call a guy out when needed etc.

Fencik, even Hampton - as long as he has great coordinators.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 20, 2019, 02:59:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crLUJRc0BvY
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 20, 2019, 03:29:08 pm
each week I watch the tape never lies & each week I'm amazed at how bad the OL is.

Leno, Daniels & Coward are all horrendous.

Massie & Whitehair are just really bad.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 20, 2019, 03:49:03 pm
With the Bears leading the league in dropped passes I say the WR corp is due for a shake up. I've seen enough of Gabriel for a while. Play Mims & Ridley just to see if either deserve to be in our future plans. Won't know unless we play them, so play them.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 20, 2019, 04:23:39 pm
each week I watch the tape never lies & each week I'm amazed at how bad the OL is.

Leno, Daniels & Coward are all horrendous.

Massie & Whitehair are just really bad.

Last year, none of these guys would have been considered horrendous, or even bad...what changed?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 20, 2019, 04:27:49 pm
Daniels is the worst, then Coward, followed by Massie, then Leno, then Whitehair.  You could get rid of all 5 of them for all the mistakes they make, which are pointed out EVERY SINGLE WEEK.  I cant help but think that is on Hiestand, unless Nagy is micro managing the coaching.  He might, as he said he has zero ego but is not giving up play calling.  It hurts to be a Bears fan.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 20, 2019, 04:41:25 pm
 I miss the press coverage of last season. This zone crap where you let them catch and chase is horrible.

I think the D hates it as well. This why we have had so many long drives like the Raiders game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 20, 2019, 07:10:41 pm
Last year, none of these guys would have been considered horrendous, or even bad...what changed?

Harry Hiestand.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 20, 2019, 08:56:09 pm
exactly...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2019, 09:12:49 pm
IS it Heistand, all of it though?? We all see these bozos standing there and letting guys run right by them. Or watch Leno as he dances BEHIND HIS OWN LINEMAN and doesnt peel off to block. I mean, what blocking technique is THAT?? The 'let me hump you'?? Personally, I blow the entire fricking thing up and start over on the line, it is JUST that bad. Every man, new. Keep a couple as backups. I know it's darned impossible to do, but it's hard to pick a guy to keep, they're just that bad.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2019, 09:17:17 pm
I'm just absolutely stunned at how bad this line has gotten. Every-fricking-week we watch the tape never lies and every week these guys look totally incapable of blocking at the NFL level.  I think one thing was said that is totally key- this is the culture. Nagy has created this culture and it is destroying this team. Would Hamp party like it's 1999 with a win when you're not even at .500?!?? Are they satisfied with playing how they are?? Sure appears so! Because effort is not there! This is on the coach
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 21, 2019, 07:25:49 am
And it is the fundamentals that the OL is getting wrong, like standing up to run block, not keeping low, the low man wins, blocking to the wrong side of the defender.  These are college basics, and our OL are messing them up, really bad.  Still not sure who is at fault, but my guess is Nagy sacrifices Heistand this offseason to keep his job.  It might be Nagys fault though, who knows.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 21, 2019, 10:02:27 am
For all those wanting a house cleaning:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/11/20/20974548/chicago-bears-ryan-pace-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-hit-bottom

They are right about "hitting bottom" but it likely will get worse because there are still 6 games to play, and they arent give me's.

I am beginning to doubt they beat the Gi-ants. They arent playing well enough to do that. If the defense under Pagano were as dominant as it was last season, I would have more confidence of a W.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 21, 2019, 10:23:40 am
More encouraging  ::) articles about our woeful Bears.....


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bears-are-stumbling-after-a-playoff-run-yes-again/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 21, 2019, 11:45:08 am
really?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 21, 2019, 11:46:23 am
This season has been tough. We all just knew that we would make it back to the playoffs, steamroll the division... WTF? Here we are, once again.. I keep feeling like I need to become a New England fan and make my life simpler, less stressful.. God at times I hate this fukking team..

I just can't get past the O line. If we had a decent O line, I think you see at least a competitive team. I think you see at least a QB that has some hope.. Somebody give ME some hope!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 21, 2019, 12:04:43 pm
I dont know what to tell you, except the imortal Cub line, "Wait till next year"
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 21, 2019, 12:15:27 pm
The Pats are my other team that I root for.  Why?  Because they win, and they win a lot.  The Bears, um yeah not so much.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on November 21, 2019, 12:23:37 pm
Pats had many many woeful seasons too - when they made it to the SB in '85 against the Bears
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 22, 2019, 07:45:43 am
Leave it to the Bears to find the one 'first round' QB in the 17' draft that ain't worth jack and to move up to get him. The other team to find a doozy QB but at least in the 2nd round...
The Browns....DeShone Kizer....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2019, 09:37:37 am
IMHO Kizer isnt worth 10 dry f@rts.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 22, 2019, 10:45:22 am
???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2019, 10:49:59 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/halas-intrigue/2019/11/22/20976938/bears-giants-preview-2019-halas-intrigue-mitch-trubisky-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 22, 2019, 11:13:54 am
The Giants have given up the most big plays this season....which means the Bears will get none.

The Giants have fumbled from QB position 13 times with a slew of interceptions...which means the Bears defense will get no turnovers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2019, 11:22:37 am
Sounds right. And since Pinero has been practicing at Soldiers he will miss important FGs
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 22, 2019, 11:46:54 am
In typical Bear fashion they'll come out and win this one after they've already been eliminated from the playoffs (I know they still have a microscopic chance but we know the reality of it...). I'm not even sure they can win knowing they'd blow their typical formula for failure.....after all, no No.1 pick this draft....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2019, 12:18:43 pm
Sporty do you still think the Bears are going to beat the Queens, Pack and Lionesses on the road?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 22, 2019, 12:32:00 pm
They've shown zero ability to fix their constant errors and screwups. Not a chance.... I think they're good for one more win which will leave them at 5-11. A fantastic season...


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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 22, 2019, 01:21:22 pm
I have tickets for the Packers game - ughhhh - I am only going because my buddy has never been to Lambeau - it's a bucket list for him.

The only way we win is if the D has a monster game....Pagano and his bend don't break does not allow for this. As you saw with the Rams - team run on us to slow Mack down.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2019, 01:42:18 pm
The only bright spot could be the possible return of Hicks which could return Mack to more pass rush duties
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 22, 2019, 01:47:28 pm
I'm not sure Hicks return snaps Mack back into normal mode.  Once you check out, and are not buying into a coaching staff, I kind of doubt one players return makes a difference.  I mean Hicks is still in the locker room and on the sidelines every game.  He just seems to not care any more.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2019, 02:00:49 pm
Maybe the problem there is Pagano's defense. Maybe there is a lack of respect for Pagano in the locker room
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 22, 2019, 05:20:52 pm
Something sure has changed..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 23, 2019, 03:06:06 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAtC-iPPYCk
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 23, 2019, 08:07:32 am
That 3rd and 1 option pitch, what in thee H is Leno doing there? Hiding behind his own lineman?? That guy needs replaced and pronto. Had he slid to his left and got the backer there, that play may have gotten at least a yard, given it's a totally absurd play to begin with with a 'supposed' hurt QB. What a dumpster fire....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2019, 09:41:08 am
God what a horendous call. It was so ill-timed, too slow to have worked, that it couldnt work. Somebody had to be sleepwalking.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 23, 2019, 05:09:43 pm
if ya need a yard WHY line up your RB 9 yards behind the line of scrimmage?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 23, 2019, 06:58:17 pm
Not to mention Mitch supposedly had a bad hip and asked to move quickly on the play.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 23, 2019, 07:42:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAtC-iPPYCk
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on November 23, 2019, 08:34:21 pm
If Matt Nagy was on fire and the only way to extinguish him was to **** on him, would you pull it out?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 24, 2019, 07:22:08 am
Honestly, I am totally baffled at how this team has regressed. We were one play from going on in the playoffs last year, one. A kick. 12-4. Just saw some plays from one of the games last season and Trubisky looks like he's playing in mud this season. Last season he was quick to run if the play wasn't there and he got good yards doing so. This season he stands there and takes the sack or moves INTO pressure. And last season the line was blocking well. This season it's like all new guys from Big Lots were swapped in. The result would be the same-keystone kops blocks and misses. I'm just baffled totally at how badly they're playing. To me, it sure as heck appears that they're throwing the season! It really does because how can they totally forget how to block??? Again, just absolutely baffled....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 24, 2019, 07:25:44 am
With the tape evidence, if I were coach I'd sit Leno down specifically and ask him why are you obviously and purposely missing your assignments? What gives? Does it make ANY sense whatsoever to see a guy coming in and just stand there with hands up like a statue and not engage?? Or worse yet, dance BEHIND your fellow lineman while YOUR guy comes in and blows the play up?? Something ain't right here, not in the least....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 24, 2019, 07:33:51 am
Well Nagy did want Mitch to get to the 201 level of his offense, after doing 101 level last year.  The thing is Mitch isnt built to be a pocket passer like Nagy wants, so he is failing.  Dumbass Nagy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 24, 2019, 07:33:57 am
What on gods green earth is this?? Leno?  Leno? Leno?  ::)


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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 24, 2019, 07:56:43 am
Thats the play where Leno blocks the backside of Whitehair.  Too funny.  He should have to give up a game check just for that one shot....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 25, 2019, 02:32:08 pm
Massie has a high ankle sprain.  Won't see him again until the end of the season.  Bars will probably be active g the first time.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 25, 2019, 02:51:56 pm
Whatever happened to Larsen.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 25, 2019, 03:31:43 pm
That picture of Leno still makes me stick. Talking about not playing hard.

We should have won the Rams game, GB, Chargers, Raiders, we got screwed on NON-offensive pass inference penalty on Ertz in the Philly game.

Even the Saints game we should have won - 2 fumbles by Montgomery and 1 by Miller.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 25, 2019, 03:47:46 pm
Offensive line, not improving, receivers don't know where to line up run the wrong routes and then drop passes.
The clearest thing is this team is not responding to coaching and getting any better week to week.
It's not a talent issue as nearly all these players have played well before.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 25, 2019, 04:04:51 pm
Miller is starting to look like the guy we thought we were drafting.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 25, 2019, 05:09:05 pm
Miller gets open. Just find him.

Hoping Tru is starting to see that now...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 25, 2019, 06:53:08 pm
I've heard today that on the first interception Trubisky threw in the end zone, (the one that looked like it was underthrown to Miller)  Miller was not supposed to be in the area and Robinson was supposed to be where the pass was thrown.  Robinson screwed up as did Miller. Miller had finished his route so he was free lancing and actually brought an unexpected defender into the play. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 25, 2019, 07:23:19 pm
With a decent O line I think we have two more wins.. 7 and 4 sounds much better than 5 and 6...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 25, 2019, 11:02:00 pm
Miller gets open. Just find him.

Hoping Tru is starting to see that now...

A++ 100%
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 25, 2019, 11:03:24 pm
I've heard today that on the first interception Trubisky threw in the end zone, (the one that looked like it was underthrown to Miller)  Miller was not supposed to be in the area and Robinson was supposed to be where the pass was thrown.  Robinson screwed up as did Miller. Miller had finished his route so he was free lancing and actually brought an unexpected defender into the play.

Agreed. They kind of said that on TV. Where Miller led his guy towards Robinson and all of a sudden Robinson was doubled teamed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2019, 09:11:21 am
I hate the Turkey  game. It's too hard to prepare for. It's a trap game for us.

Is Stafford playing????
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2019, 09:12:31 am
Looks like their backup QB Driskel has a hamstring problem.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2019, 11:03:17 am
Bears injuries: Taylor Gabriel and tight end Ben Braunecker

Minor compared to the Lions injuries. We may see a third string QB
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 27, 2019, 11:27:56 am
The Bears whould be playing to show the country they're better than what they've shown. Lions are plying to get through the season..  Bears 20-16
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 27, 2019, 11:48:15 am
They're trying to get a fan boycott going in Det so it's not looking pretty for the Loins. Bears win by 7 and I'm saying this with much trepidation.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 27, 2019, 11:48:59 am
Heard a rumor that Patterson is willing to play TE to help the team. Anyone heard that?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2019, 11:49:50 am
I wish I knew that - I would drive up to the game - easy 4 hour drive to Detoilet from Chicago. Turkey in the way.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2019, 11:51:02 am
Heard a rumor that Patterson is willing to play TE to help the team. Anyone heard that?

Yes. I would love that. He is a big dude.

PLUS get him ready for the Packers game - Packers can not cover anyone in the middle.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 27, 2019, 12:57:08 pm
Bears injuries: Taylor Gabriel and tight end Ben Braunecker

Minor compared to the Lions injuries. We may see a third string QB

How did Braunecker get hurt dropping passes?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 27, 2019, 01:00:37 pm
The only thing better than traveling to be with your loved ones tomorrow is not traveling to be with your loved ones tomorrow.

As such, the Bears announced that five players weren’t making the quick trip to Detroit for the early Thanksgiving game.

Tight end Ben Braunecker, wide receiver Taylor Gabriel, offensive lineman Bobby Massie, defensive back Sherrick McManis, and tight end Adam Shaheen have all been ruled out.

Linebacker Danny Trevathan is also listed as out, but perhaps he has a burning desire to go to Michigan.

None of the six players practiced at all this week, so that leaves just one spot on their inactive list for tomorrow’s game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 27, 2019, 01:43:46 pm
Dallasbear hasn't been on site in a couple of weeks...  Anyone ?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 27, 2019, 02:33:10 pm
Some guys drop for awhile because how poorly the team has preformed. it has been a VERY disappointing season.

I was at the Chargers game - check the stats - Bears, if they had better Red Zone play calling - win that game 35 to 7.

3 fumbles cost us the New Orleans game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 27, 2019, 04:58:11 pm
Dallasbear hasn't been on site in a couple of weeks...  Anyone ?

I'm sure he doesn't want to talk about it..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 28, 2019, 01:41:35 am
Montgomery is turning into a really good back.  He can run, catch the ball and since our O-line sucks he can block.  We have got to get our O-line fixed.  Sadly it isn't happening this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hhcqIp9fOo
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 28, 2019, 06:32:54 am
There it is!  I saw this in real time.  Go back and look at the tape at 3:57.  Braunecker makes the catch and get's a helmet to helmet hit on the way down.  The next play at 4:04, Trubisky puts that perfect ball to him at the goal line, and he drops it.  He was concussed on the prior play, that's why he makes the drop.

Watching the game, after he makes that first catch they show him in the huddle and he doesn't look right.  That was a big drop immediately after.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 28, 2019, 08:15:13 am
One thing the tape never lies as impressed upon me is that Mitch really is not as bad as it seems watching him in real time.  The Oline is terrible, and if it wasn't for Mitch's ability to create something out of nothing our team would be way worse.

I am really interested to see what he and Montgomery can do with a real offensive line.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 28, 2019, 08:28:14 am
Mitch was worse at the start of the season, when Nagy was "coaching" him up to not run or use his God given talents.  Dumbass.  Luckily he has started to escape more, just for pure survival, which is sad. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 28, 2019, 08:30:18 am
Wow just saw this:

A former quarterback at Virginia Tech, Thomas is the Lions’ emergency quarterback. With Matthew Stafford still out due to a back injury and Jeff Driskel unable to start on the short week due to a hamstring injury, David Blough is getting the starting nod against the Bears. But should something happen to Blough, Thomas could ultimately find his way back behind center.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 28, 2019, 08:37:40 am
This is a game the Bears should be able to dominate. Unless, of course.. We make an unknown QB look like Tom Brady..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 28, 2019, 11:36:32 am
best part of the tape never lies was Leno taking on a safety and getting knocked on his ass.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 29, 2019, 06:04:44 am
Offensive line easily had their best game today.  Trubisky actually had time to go through progressions.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 29, 2019, 08:06:42 am
Well a win is a win after all.....

Thank God for Allen Robinson on offense (Miller had more stats but AR is/was a main reason the Bears won today)......

On Miller, he just seems to have good games against the Lions for some reason. He kind of reminds me of the anti-Golden Tate who was a Bears killer (and last week almost did with the Giants)....

WTF happened to the Prince and the secondary in general yesterday ? One play 75 yards for TD ? You've got to be kidding me....

This team still makes dumb, dumb mistakes (Roquan, what are you doing tossing that dude when he was out of bounds ?? Miller lines up offsides on a 4th down and "saves" the Bears from also getting called for a delay of game ? With the delay of game it is only 5 yards and the Bears can try the FG. With the offsides it is just declined and the ball turns over. WTF)

Good to see the D tighten up in the 2nd half (Smith balled out and TBH looked kind of angry).

The only thing worse this season than the Bears season is the officiating. Clueless Booger not seeing Trubs getting blasted right in front of him that everyone else in the stadium (and TV) saw. Not a good look for the NFL and a case study in having someone "eye in sky" (or at least looking at the broadcast) to correct truly bad missed calls like that....

Patterson taking the ball out of the endzone. I'm like no no no then yeah yeah yeah. He's been better on KOs the last few weeks. Maybe "Dave Toub" light has a method to his madness after all.....

I hope everyone had a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving. Always better after a Bear win... and the Cowboys being blowout :D



Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on November 29, 2019, 09:45:38 am
Takeaways from the game....

1. Lions had nothing to lose and played that way.
2. How on earth does Chuck Pagano not pressure a guy who was making his first start. Blough had way too much time - anyone could complete those passes.
3. In the offseason we have to replace Prince. Tolliver?
4. Miller is a frustrating player....so many drops, but huge important plays
5. You can not complain about 338 yards - 3 TDs - and 115 QB rating.
6. Montgomery had a great game.
7. Mitch gets hurt by all the drops.
8. Roquan Smith had a massive game.
9. We still miss Akiem Hicks badly
10. Mack had a great game - he was double and tripple teamed and still caused major problems.
11. Special teams were way better - one of the big reasons we have 6 loses is the special teams.
12. Pinero quailty had a good game....we need this. Apparently he is #1 in touchbacks in the NFL
13. O line still has massive problems - if I am drafting next year I chose at least TWO o-line man early - like BOTH second rounders.
 

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 29, 2019, 05:29:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKbsi4AZ64k
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 29, 2019, 05:41:32 pm
First thing I do regarding the O line, fire the f'n O line coach..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 29, 2019, 09:55:18 pm

13. O line still has massive problems - if I am drafting next year I chose at least TWO o-line man early - like BOTH second rounders.

We need to see 2 starters come out of those 2 2nds.  G, T, and TE.  Pace and Nagy will be fighting for their jobs next year.  They can't miss with those picks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 29, 2019, 11:07:29 pm
Also have 3 fa defenders to replace
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 30, 2019, 12:11:28 pm
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/broncos-practice-squad-lineman-corey-levin-says-hes-signing-bears

Bears pick up an OL from broncos practice squad
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on November 30, 2019, 01:05:36 pm
Promote Bars, sign this cat.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 30, 2019, 02:30:54 pm
Promote Bars, sign this cat.
Bars is up.  He played one down last week when Leno's shoe fell off.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 30, 2019, 02:35:57 pm
Shaheen and McManis go to the IR.  Levin and Saubert, a te from Oakland's practice squad added to the roster.  Saubert is big with some speed. "The 6’5”, 253 pounder ran a 4.69 forty at the NFL Combine" he's from Hoffman Estates.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 01, 2019, 06:45:43 am
Well a win is a win after all.....

Thank God for Allen Robinson on offense (Miller had more stats but AR is/was a main reason the Bears won today)......

On Miller, he just seems to have good games against the Lions for some reason. He kind of reminds me of the anti-Golden Tate who was a Bears killer (and last week almost did with the Giants)....

WTF happened to the Prince and the secondary in general yesterday ? One play 75 yards for TD ? You've got to be kidding me....

This team still makes dumb, dumb mistakes (Roquan, what are you doing tossing that dude when he was out of bounds ?? Miller lines up offsides on a 4th down and "saves" the Bears from also getting called for a delay of game ? With the delay of game it is only 5 yards and the Bears can try the FG. With the offsides it is just declined and the ball turns over. WTF)

Good to see the D tighten up in the 2nd half (Smith balled out and TBH looked kind of angry).

The only thing worse this season than the Bears season is the officiating. Clueless Booger not seeing Trubs getting blasted right in front of him that everyone else in the stadium (and TV) saw. Not a good look for the NFL and a case study in having someone "eye in sky" (or at least looking at the broadcast) to correct truly bad missed calls like that....

Patterson taking the ball out of the endzone. I'm like no no no then yeah yeah yeah. He's been better on KOs the last few weeks. Maybe "Dave Toub" light has a method to his madness after all.....

I hope everyone had a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving. Always better after a Bear win... and the Cowboys being blowout :D

Several points to address.

- We share a brain, because freaking Golden Tate!  Either we need to sign him or he needs to retire.  Every game we play him, he makes THE play.  Tired of him.

- I know it was against the Lions, but I like the pressure packages with Roquan yesterday.  It seemed like Pagano was like, okay, we have to do more than lay back and let this Blough guy beat us.  Kwit and Ro both showed an ability to get home.  If teams are going to double Mack, we need to send more so they have something to think about.

- On Roquan's late hit penalty, if you rewatch it, we did not violently slam the running back out of bounds.  It was more a catching his balance so he wouldn't take the blow hitting the ground.  The tribune also pointed out this morning the same thing saying that Johnson stepped on Smith's foot which cause him to wrap his arm.  I didn't see the foot, but I did not see violent intent.  Of course, having it happen on the Lion's sidelines did not help one bit.

- I know we are using this year to evaluate the PI review, but I do think there should be oversight on QB hits.  Last year's hit on Osweiler, this year's hit on Trubisky in the Denver game...likely both should not have been called.  Both lead to teams winning.  The hit on Trubisky under the chin was malicious and should have been flagged.  The ref was looking right at it.  The second hit where Trubisky got pancaked on 3rd down, that was close.  There should be a quick booth review of late hit flags on the QB and for the obvious missed calls by the officials.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 02, 2019, 06:36:07 am
NFL has some serious officiating problems and one of them is bad optics for some of the egregiously missed calls. There will always be missed calls, but ones that are so obvious to so many people must be (or at least seem to be) addressed.....

I still feel the new crop of refs call a lot of things they think they see instead of what they actually see (kind of bad by product of having to figure out the intent of a particular action such as PI). It's got to be drilled into their heads that if they  throw the flag only if they actually see it, not think that they see it....

I've seen a lot more procedural foul ups this year (such as holding on both sides during a punt) that have been applied wrong (although it almost always has been corrected but it looks bad if the officials can't get the easy procedural penalties correct). I can usually count maybe one a year but I've seen a couple more this year alone (and I'm watching less football as well so the sample size is smaller).

The best games are when the officials are almost invisible and the flow of the game determines the outcome. Bringing things to a screeching halt with a booth review after a TV timeout is inexcusable or even a team having to take a timeout during the 2 min time so someone might take a look at a particular call. Hell in one of the games yesterday (think it was Titans game) they scored a TD on a pass and took a long long time to even announce that they were having to review the TD (which should have automatically been looked at right after it was called). So the ref then heads over to the little booth thing and brings the action to a screeching halt. Bad optics.....

Love the game but the rules and the way they are applied is killing it.....


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 02, 2019, 07:57:19 am
That hit to the chin of Trubinsky was blatant.  Should have been called.  Hell they called the bears because the QB got pushed (and the defender was within the 2 steps).  Then the sack where the player landed on him with his full weight.  That is the one that pissed me off the most.  Event he announcers said the ref was reaching for his flag but chose not to throw it.  I don't know maybe that particular ref always reaches for the flag just in case.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 02, 2019, 09:45:05 am
The Bears dont garner the respect from the refs that Rogers/Brady get.  They dont deserve it, but hey come on man, lets do it the same for everyone....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 02, 2019, 10:50:02 am
First thing I do regarding the O line, fire the f'n O line coach..

A++ 100% - they're doing blocking schemes that don't work.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 02, 2019, 11:46:40 am
His schemes worked before, maybe these guys just can’t do the zone blocking scheme. Maybe they need more of the power blocking scheme.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 02, 2019, 12:54:12 pm
Or better lineman. I would draft a tackle and a guard with those 2 2nd rounders.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 02, 2019, 01:36:17 pm
I'm thinking OL and TE with the two 2nd rounders...especially if the Vandy TE or the Missouri TE is there...

And, of course, assuming no one drops who should have been a 1st rounder...I'm almost always about BPA...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 02, 2019, 01:48:13 pm
What about qb?

A guard is easy in FA.  A Leno replacement would probably have to be drafted.  I would hate to pasd on Fromm or Hurts for some failed retread.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 02, 2019, 01:50:28 pm
Once again we have more needs than draft picks.  Cursed, just cursed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 02, 2019, 02:04:46 pm
Need a LT. Leno's gotta go. Generally aren't going to find decent tackles in FA so this needs a high draft pick. Would be great if they could find a tackle that can also play guard if need be for the other side.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 02, 2019, 02:07:44 pm
I'm interested in opinions on Trubisky. What do we do with him? My thinking is see how he does the last few games and go from there. His game play has helped result in where the team is sitting presently out of the playoff hunt (and they are, they ain't winning out and Minny losing out), along with the Oline and coaching fubars...and the kicker, of course. I think they once again will need to draft a QB and look at FA for any possible upgrades.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2019, 02:13:41 pm
Look, lets not be unrealistic. We know the Bears need Oline and QB. I agree about From and Hurts, but an OG can be had in the 4th or 5th. A LOT is a different situation. I've seen college good ones flop at the next level. Even skilled evaluators fail. If its technique, Leno is still young. He could be playing hurt or somebody has found a weakness. I believe Leno was a 7th rounder. Right now that Oline is not in sync. I think the problem is more the system than the player.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 02, 2019, 02:22:36 pm
no, Leno sucks, Coward sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2019, 02:27:26 pm
Leno didnt last year under a different system. We know the line coach and the system changed, so why the Leno change?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 02, 2019, 07:40:08 pm
I don't think there is any possibility that Trubisky isn't on the team next year.  The next four games will decide if they bring in a guy to start over him or a guy to compete with him in training camp.  Starter tier guys would be Newton, Foles, Dalton types.  Someone they have to make a serious commitment to.  Competition guys are like mariotta, Fitzpatrick level guys.  I think Pace is going to heavily lean towards competition level guys unless Mitch really sucks in the last four games.

In the off-season, I'm hoping they cut Floyd and move on from Lynch.  Lots of money and very little impact from those two.  Gabriel should be done, I think there are better and cheaper options on the roster already.  I'd keep kwiatkowski over trevathon. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 02, 2019, 09:31:33 pm
Def agree about Floyd. He's Mr. Invisible. And I'm honestly having a hard time figuring out who Lynch is. He made such a impact I don't know who he is. :D And was there a actual sighting of Ridley last game??? Could swear I saw his name on a jersey out there....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 02, 2019, 10:08:30 pm
Floyd put on a bunch of weight and I think that effected him. He's never had a full & good seasons.

The issue with Gabriel in Atlanta was they felt he was too small to be an every down WR
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 02, 2019, 10:30:08 pm
Queens lost ....I think they lose their last 3 games and finish 9 and 7. Bears will run the table.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2019, 10:41:01 pm
I dont think so. I dont see it. I'd love it to run the table.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 03, 2019, 07:11:19 am
If the bears split the last four I'd consider it a strong ending to the season, especially considering how bad things looked in October. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 03, 2019, 07:40:16 am
I dont know where Floyd put on any weight, he looks skinny as a rail.  I wouldnt be sad to see him go at all.  And Lynch is #99, the guy who comes in and just stands around and does nothing, unless he is getting a dumbass offsides penalty.  He needs to go.

And Leno is a dud, although he was adequate last year, he is not this year.  And lets not give Bobbie Massie a free pass either, although he routinely gives free passes directly to Trubisky. 

I think if we could shore up the Oline, and if Nagy starts calling plays more suited to what people are good at, we could win with Mitch, but just in case, they MUST bring in veteran comp for him.  And see ya Chase Daniels.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 03, 2019, 09:20:59 am
LOL on Lynch.  that pretty much sums him up...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 03, 2019, 10:52:47 am
Lines can be fixed in one season - draft a couple guys early & pick up two free agents. Maybe Bar helps round out the O line.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 03, 2019, 10:54:47 am
Queens lost again.....I think they lose their last 3 games.

We all thought losing Lynch in the offseason would be a mistake - too bad he did not show up this year - but it could be Paganos scheme. Pagano loves these zone defenses & bend don't break.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 03, 2019, 02:24:55 pm
Are we ready for Ron Rivera to return home?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 03, 2019, 02:57:30 pm
wlmjohn...I was just going to post that - I would like him as defensive coordinator. Thoughts anyone?

I want more old Bears involved....Gary Fencik - head coach...he would delegate like a great coach does.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 03, 2019, 03:14:18 pm
I'm in. Rivera as D coach sounds damm good to me.. Fire Pagano tomorrow..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 03, 2019, 03:49:12 pm
I think the only new starter on the o line next year will be the replacement of coward/long.  Too much dead money involved with moving on from Leno or Massie.  Coward looks like a guy who should only be active in an emergency, definitely not a fit at G.  Take a tackle in the second and a guard with the comp pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on December 03, 2019, 04:12:46 pm
 I agree with Rivera as a def.coordinator,but,I'm sure he'll be offered a HC job. Maybe the DC with the promise of being the HC if management drops Nagy.We need to sign a solid OT and CB in free agency. Jack Conklin (OT) from Tenn. and Marcus Peters(CB) from Baltimore.  Kick the tires on Vic Beasley(OLB) from Atlanta. Possibly Eric Ebron(TE) from Indy. Draft an OT and another TE in the draft.
 I was mildly encouraged by Mitch's performance last week. We have the weapons now protect the **** out of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 03, 2019, 04:38:04 pm
Sure don't see why all the love for Rivera.
As Bears DC the last we saw was Urlacher yelling at him from the field for refusing to cover Steve Smith as we lost a playoff game.
Since then I don't see what he's done to attract any interest
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 03, 2019, 07:17:23 pm
I believe the last time we saw Rivera was the Super bowl. We had a good D. Lovie felt threatened and let Rivera walk..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 03, 2019, 07:19:05 pm
Took the Panthers to the Super Bowl. Won division title 4 or 5 times.. What have the Bears done since he left?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 04, 2019, 08:44:34 am
What would Rivera get out of coming to us as D Coord?  MAYBE the promise to replace Nagy, under the table?  I agree that Lovie was jealous and did him wrong.  If we landed him I would be happy, but he would need someone to run the O if he was head coach.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 04, 2019, 09:57:51 am
I guess it would depend on how hot of a commodity Rivera is for a head coaching position. His next step (if he wants to stay in the NFL) would be D coordinator. Why not Chicago? Not like he doesn't have ties to the windy city..

We're just talking, I'm sure that's all it will be, just talk. I'm already not happy with Pagano...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 04, 2019, 10:16:53 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUCpREudEu4
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 04, 2019, 10:40:14 am
the tape shows Leno still sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2019, 10:42:59 am
Question: Is it technique or scheme? He didnt last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on December 04, 2019, 11:24:00 am
gotta be a core injury or something
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 04, 2019, 11:37:37 am
If we had a decent O line we'd have a couple more wins, easy.. Decent O line would mean a decent run game which would translate to Mitch having a much better season..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 04, 2019, 12:05:01 pm
Its funny the play that Bars was at LT he wasnt too bad, and the next play when Leno came back after the shoe "mishap" he gives up a bad play.  I wish someone at the Bears would start watching the Tape Never Lies....or they could hire Draft Dr Phil as a consultant....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 04, 2019, 02:02:06 pm
If we had a decent O line we'd have a couple more wins, easy.. Decent O line would mean a decent run game which would translate to Mitch having a much better season..

I agree and most of the problem is RG and LT.

Not sure why they won't give Bars a shot at LG.  He can't be worse than Coward.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 04, 2019, 02:23:05 pm
And lets not give Bobbie Massie a pass.  I dont think it just happened that Massie goes out and Mitch starts playing better.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 04, 2019, 05:04:47 pm
The line would be improved with a new LT and a guard. Massie is on notice definitely but Leno, he's gotta go!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 04, 2019, 07:04:52 pm
We're all wondering what happened to the line from last season. I'm not too sure the line was all that... Just sayin..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on December 04, 2019, 07:16:14 pm
Please, sweet Jesus, let the Bears build an overwhelmingly dominant offensive line.

This may require sacrificing the faithless Ryan Pace and the even more faithless - and possibly evil - Matt Nagy.

Let it be so.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on December 04, 2019, 08:14:54 pm
We're all wondering what happened to the line from last season. I'm not too sure the line was all that... Just sayin..

Anyone wondering that didnt watch the games last year. The line sucked last year, and the year before that. LAst year we had one of the lowest SoS's in the league and the Oline looked passable. This year we have a tougher schedule and umm it looks like its talent level. CRAP.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2019, 09:51:56 pm
Harry Hiestand, thats whats different
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 05, 2019, 05:53:55 am
Anyone wondering that didnt watch the games last year. The line sucked last year, and the year before that. LAst year we had one of the lowest SoS's in the league and the Oline looked passable. This year we have a tougher schedule and umm it looks like its talent level. CRAP.



Agree..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 05, 2019, 10:40:28 am
Draft TWO lineman....sign TWO of the best FA lineman.....take what you have and rebuild - not that difficult. Probably at least 1 new starting guard and 1 new tackle.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2019, 03:04:24 pm
Fire Hiestand as soon as the season is done
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 05, 2019, 04:51:06 pm
https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2019/12/04/two-new-mocks-have-the-bears-taking-different-but-similar-qbs-in-the-second-round/?fbclid=IwAR0cH9jJ3Bffoa6dyjasfJWfNcP3tU-_TnqUEsJx75GZ_g9945j1RegueZI
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2019, 05:02:21 pm
Interesting selections to say the least. I am not a big Bears history person, but I cant recall the Bears ever drafting a Black QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 05, 2019, 05:39:52 pm
Vince Evans....6th round in 1977

He almost became the Bears starting QB. He suffered a staph infection and kept him out. He was WAYYYY better than Bob Avellini and Mike Phipps. He could have been a great Bears QB

I think because he was black - he did not get a real chance - he had talent and some good years, mostly as a backup, for the Raiders.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 05, 2019, 06:07:10 pm
I remember Vince Evans did start quite a few games for the Bears.

There was a rumor when he was released that he had slept with another players wife and several players beat him up so he was out.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2019, 08:59:53 pm
I remember Vince Evans. Guess I forgot he was Black.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 05, 2019, 11:40:28 pm
I remember Vince Evans did start quite a few games for the Bears.

There was a rumor when he was released that he had slept with another players wife and several players beat him up so he was out.

I heard that as well. Bears were not keen on that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 06, 2019, 07:25:05 am
He also went on to do some backup QB work for Oakland too. As I recall he looked like a Cam Newton/Lamarr Jackson type- very athletic and big for his position. Not sure teams were ready to use QBs like that properly back then (look what happened to Randall Cunningham)....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 06, 2019, 09:47:15 am
Vince Evans was terrible until his late 30s. When that new football league sued the NFL for anti-trust violations, the NFL's best evidence was the silly contract the new league gave to a horrible Vince Evans
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2019, 09:29:46 am
Take that Erin:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/06/chicago-bears-quarterback-mitchell-trubisky-nfl-historical-performance-dallas-cowboys/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2019, 09:47:55 am
YUP!:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/12/6/20999187/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-stats-news-injuries-notes-standings-record-green-bay-packers
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 07, 2019, 11:16:03 am
What gets me, we have "slim playoff hopes". I think even if we win out, we need help. WTF? If we win out we'll be 10 and 6. That would really suck to go 10 and 6 and miss the playoffs. I'm thinking that happened Lovie's last season. Can't come out of the gate not prepared, and that's exactly what the Bears were, unprepared..

Put me down as the starters play during preseason. At least a little per game..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 07, 2019, 01:54:59 pm
Yes, Lovie went 10-6 and missed the playoffs and we could easily do the same this season...well, not 'easily' but you get the idea....we've got three tough teams to beat yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on December 07, 2019, 03:31:14 pm
Vince Evans....6th round in 1977

He almost became the Bears starting QB. He suffered a staph infection and kept him out. He was WAYYYY better than Bob Avellini and Mike Phipps. He could have been a great Bears QB

I think because he was black - he did not get a real chance - he had talent and some good years, mostly as a backup, for the Raiders.

How many back up quarterbacks are used as kick returners. 

Evens was an outstanding athlete, and most teams wanted to draft him as a running back/wide receiver.  He made it known that he would only play quarterback in the NFL, which caused him to drop down in the draft.  When the Bears took him, he refused to sign until they included in his contract that he would not be given any duties not normally given to a quarterback in the NFL.

He was really a college-type quarterback, and never could make it as a drop back pocket quarterback.  I believe he would be a superstar in the current NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on December 09, 2019, 12:42:18 pm
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/chicago-bears-khalil-mack-walmart-holiday-giving
Class act. I'm sure other players on other teams do it too. I had read Ditka did it for years
and never said a word.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 09, 2019, 01:52:48 pm
What gets me, we have "slim playoff hopes". I think even if we win out, we need help. WTF? If we win out we'll be 10 and 6. That would really suck to go 10 and 6 and miss the playoffs. I'm thinking that happened Lovie's last season. Can't come out of the gate not prepared, and that's exactly what the Bears were, unprepared..

Put me down as the starters play during preseason. At least a little per game..

Nagy had no sense of urgency....I was at the freaking San Diego game and we should have won 34 to 7. You need to put your foot on your opponents throat every game.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 14, 2019, 03:36:06 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXRNkEacNu0
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 14, 2019, 03:46:26 pm
I can see Sunday's game is the typical game where the Bears come in with all to play for, and fall flat on their collective faces......

And I can see it as a game that elevates the team for even tougher games to follow (KC and Vikes)......

As always, hope for the best, prepare for the worst....

GO BEARS !
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 14, 2019, 05:31:15 pm
Would love to see them get Patterson more involved. That guy just makes plays. That short route first down where he juked the defender out of his shorts is just amazing that he was able to make something out of nothing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on December 14, 2019, 09:26:15 pm
I saw it reported that Patterson said he was willing to play tight end.  I realize that an actual position change like that would take substantial time, but he should be able to master a couple of plays to be used in the right spots in a game.  That position might be perfect for him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 15, 2019, 07:41:23 am
Exactly, Patterson as the pass catching tight end is a no brainer.  He has crazy speed/skills, lets get him the ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 16, 2019, 12:24:43 pm
2020 #Bears road games: Titans, Jaguars, Panthers, Falcons, Rams

Home games: Saints, Bucs, Texans, Colts, Giants/Washington

Then obviously your usual NFC North games too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 16, 2019, 12:31:17 pm
I may have to try to go see that Panthers game, depending on when it is. I’ve been saying it for years.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 17, 2019, 06:23:42 am
Well, Blandino finally admitted to what anyone with eyes that watched the game already knew- that the officiating crew sucked...

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2019/12/16/cordarrelle-patterson-should-have-been-praised-not-punished-for-his-punt-coverage-excellence/

Christ this band of clowns running NFL officiating since Perierra left is a true disgrace. They've gotten worse with each new "head of officiating". Its going to kill the game if they don't get a handle on it and soon.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 17, 2019, 06:32:21 am
I agree, it's gotten really bad..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on December 17, 2019, 08:43:59 am
They screwed up the coin flip in Dallas
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on December 17, 2019, 10:26:19 am
They need an “eye in the sky” that can quickly tell the referee on the field that the call is wrong.  We all saw it was a bad call right away.  The eye would have seen that also and corrected it.  What’s the big deal?  The problem is that call, like so many others is “not reviewable.”

It’s STUPID in this day and age, that teams and fans are stuck with officials bad calls when you can see right away on the replay that the call is wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 17, 2019, 10:47:17 am
I have been saying the same thing for the phantom or real late hits to the qb.  Trubisky got the benefit against Denver and it would have been against us.  Against Detroit, the guy almost decappitated him.  Last year, Floyd breathed on the Miami qb and was flagged.  Those should be quick booth reviews and get the correct call.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on December 17, 2019, 12:30:31 pm
Baseball has NY on the phone and they still get them wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 17, 2019, 02:58:28 pm
Honestly, that hit by Patterson had it been ruled correctly was a fumble and it could have turned the game in favor of the Bears....things like this decide games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on December 17, 2019, 03:21:48 pm
Baseball has NY on the phone and they still get them wrong

Really.  The vast majority that I have seen, the replay officials have gotten correct.  There are a few that are really too close to call, but I don't recall a single one that in which the replay decision was clearly incorrect.  Granted, I only watch Cub games, so it may be different with other teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2019, 04:50:03 pm
I agree, it's gotten really bad..

It'll make the game unwatchable
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 17, 2019, 06:01:24 pm
If Tolliver and Pierre-Louis continue to play well there may be no need to offer much to Trevathan and Amakamura.

That with releasing Long gives a good chunk of cap space

They need to move Jackson back to his natural free safety position to make plays on the ball
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 17, 2019, 07:27:12 pm
Based on the early mocks I have ran, we can get a pretty solid ILB late in the draft...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 17, 2019, 07:28:37 pm
Although I am a big fan of Trevathan...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 18, 2019, 09:37:51 am
https://theathletic.com/1468569/2019/12/17/all-22-mitch-trubiskys-day-in-the-pocket-and-more-questions-about-the-bears-offense/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 18, 2019, 09:44:54 am
https://theathletic.com/1469690/2019/12/18/upon-further-review-packers-loss-highlights-bears-offensive-line-issues/?article_source=related
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 18, 2019, 01:08:49 pm
Seriously, why the delay???

The Bears placed linebacker Danny Trevathan on injured reserve Wednesday, the team announced.

Trevathan injured his elbow against the Lions on Nov. 10. He had remained on the roster with hopes of returning before the end of the season.

Instead, Trevathan will end his season on injured reserve for the second time in four seasons.

The Bears placed linebacker Roquan Smith on injured reserve last week.

That means Nick Kwiatkoski and Kevin Pierre-Louis will continue to see more snaps.

Trevathan, who is scheduled to become a free agent in March, has made 327 tackles, six sacks, three forced fumbles and three interceptions in 46 games with the Bears.

The Bears promoted defensive back Michael Joseph from the practice squad to take Trevathan’s roster spot.

Chicago also announced it signed receiver Alex Wesley to the practice squad.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 18, 2019, 01:26:38 pm
Seriously, why the delay???

The Bears placed linebacker Danny Trevathan on injured reserve Wednesday, the team announced.

Trevathan injured his elbow against the Lions on Nov. 10. He had remained on the roster with hopes of returning before the end of the season.

Instead, Trevathan will end his season on injured reserve for the second time in four seasons.

The Bears placed linebacker Roquan Smith on injured reserve last week.

That means Nick Kwiatkoski and Kevin Pierre-Louis will continue to see more snaps.

Trevathan, who is scheduled to become a free agent in March, has made 327 tackles, six sacks, three forced fumbles and three interceptions in 46 games with the Bears.

The Bears promoted defensive back Michael Joseph from the practice squad to take Trevathan’s roster spot.

Chicago also announced it signed receiver Alex Wesley to the practice squad.

Waiting until playoff elimination
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 18, 2019, 01:30:17 pm
Pace was probably hoping he'd return to health in time to help the Bears with their slim chance of making the playoffs.  Green Bay dashed those hopes.  Trevathan is most likely gone.

Future FA Kwiatowski is driving up his value with every game.  Even Kevin Pierre-Louis might get a few offers.  I'd like to see both return.  What I'd really like to see in these last 2 games is for Joel Iyiegbuniwe to show what he can offer.

I know Nagy wants to finish with a winning season but I think he could work a few more players into the lineup at other positions too.

There's a good chance 25-30% will not be back next year - lots of expiring contracts and possibly some moves for some guys with a year left on their contracts.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 18, 2019, 03:55:29 pm
Tolliver has played OK and could use a longer look.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 19, 2019, 02:51:59 pm
What happened to that ILB Iggy the draft pick?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 19, 2019, 04:26:54 pm

Got beat out by the more experienced Kwiatoswki and Kevin Pierre-Louis.  Both happen to be free agents at the end of the season.

That's why I recommended the Bears see what Iggy can do these last 2 games.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 19, 2019, 04:28:50 pm

I've been gone for a bit, maybe you guys covered this in past posts.

But I noticed the Steelers got our 6th rounder off our practice squad - Kerrith Whyte.  He's their kick returner.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 19, 2019, 04:40:48 pm
Why are you dallasbear2?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 20, 2019, 01:41:44 am

Lost dallasbear password on work PC.  Home PC is still dallasbear.

If dallasbear2 starts replying to dallasbear posts you'll know I've lost it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 20, 2019, 02:40:41 am
for those of you who are in denial over how bad our OL really is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEYp8Az_PrM
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 20, 2019, 05:26:38 am
Lost dallasbear password on work PC.  Home PC is still dallasbear.

If dallasbear2 starts replying to dallasbear posts you'll know I've lost it.

No, then we know you took the place of chiborg and whoever he was posting with.. Or, wait a minute... Laport and Logic... You should be able to retrieve the password or set another... some kinda way..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 20, 2019, 08:27:17 am
Leno's gotta go, he's got to go. Speedbump Charlie is done. This guy EVERY WEEK is in focus as doing something stupid, missing blocks, his guy making tackles/sacks. He's done. He should not be on this team in 2020 or at VERY least a deep deep backup, 3rd string guy. He totally sucks!!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on December 20, 2019, 09:18:40 am
Davebear, is the password saved on your home browser? Do you use chrome? I can help you recover it really easy.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 20, 2019, 09:24:24 am
Agreed Leno must go, and Massie was just as bad when he was playing.  Lucas isnt much better.  Man our OL is a steaming pile....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 20, 2019, 10:08:21 am
Ugh I just heard Bobbie Massie signed a 4 year contract extension and ALL of his money for 2020 is guaranteed.  Are you kidding me???
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 20, 2019, 11:58:08 am
Davebear, is the password saved on your home browser? Do you use chrome? I can help you recover it really easy.

You mean Dallasbear2?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 20, 2019, 04:59:18 pm
Ugh I just heard Bobbie Massie signed a 4 year contract extension and ALL of his money for 2020 is guaranteed.  Are you kidding me???
Leno is guaranteed 7.5 mil next year and 5 the year after.  I don't think Leno or massie is getting cut this off-season.  I think they'll draft a tackle in the 2nd and have him take over for whichever of the two is more garbage next year. 

Id like to see bars play in these last two games.  Coward and Lucas are back of the roster depth guys.  If you're playing them, you are in trouble.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 20, 2019, 05:03:53 pm
WCG previews OT prospects for next year's draft
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2019/12/20/21027652/chicago-bears-2020-nfl-draft-breaking-down-potential-offensive-tackle-targets
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 20, 2019, 05:24:14 pm
There is no doubt, the primary thing the Bears have to focus on is the O line. In my opinion, that means new faces..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 21, 2019, 08:23:52 am
Watching Dr. Phil, it looks like many times they just don’t know who to block. They will double one guy and let another go free.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 21, 2019, 09:11:45 am
Davebear, is the password saved on your home browser? Do you use chrome? I can help you recover it really easy.

It's been saved for years and years on my work PC then it was just gone.  The email to recover it was way back in the AOL days.

Home PC still has the password cached.  I guess I could snoop around there to try to find it.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 21, 2019, 05:43:48 pm
Who knew this guy was a Bears fan?


https://sports.yahoo.com/news/tim-duncan-once-held-up-a-team-flight-over-a-chicago-bears-game-2-220118813.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMJDbc-8pjuMXwk9EB9-OPSBJRL4NtEjD07gdHlO9Wcx5qxmQATS_8NdjuO-1cBYracYYCD6nSNXwDPvaqu15ASKjW4Sj87TBchVPPMNPAtirUUaFjTQwjbI7HAcwjEJ5ZOMGWAK4-mApdju66aU2xcVqu1xAQulvOWMkglzz40n&guccounter=2
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 22, 2019, 09:04:59 am
Duncan, ACC basketball.. Wake forest, pretty sure he played under Dave Odom. Back when it was the original ACC tough as hell basketball..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 24, 2019, 08:12:31 pm
Throwing this out there....Dalton at QB??? He threw for nearly 400 yards and three TDs this week and they'll be drafting the top QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 24, 2019, 08:15:03 pm
It might be heresy to agree with that but I could see that happening
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 24, 2019, 11:25:19 pm
Throwing this out there....Dalton at QB??? He threw for nearly 400 yards and three TDs this week and they'll be drafting the top QB.
Dalton is a statue.  He'd get murdered behind this oline.
Mitch or mariotta are probably the best options because they can run away
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 24, 2019, 11:55:28 pm
I want Alex Smith.  But no QB will help if the O-line is not improved.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 25, 2019, 02:41:02 am
I expect Mitch will be fine behind a decent line. Swap Mitch and Mahommes and I expect they look similar.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 25, 2019, 06:48:19 am
Nav,

i think you add proper coaching/playcalling to the offensive line....and I still think Mahommes better but not as much.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 25, 2019, 07:28:59 am
Yeah I watched the first half so far, I can only stomach so much at a time.  Mahomes has that zip on the ball and an effortless throwing motion.  Tight spirals.  Mitch can rip it, but some of his passes wobble, and his mechanics are not always good.  I take Mahomes every day.  But I agree he wouldnt look nearly as good with our crapppy OL. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 25, 2019, 07:51:39 am
I like the idea of Marriota in competition/veteran back-up to Mitch.  I agree, the priority has to be the offensive line and tight end.  For feel good stories like Horstead, there are reasons you go undrafted.  A stud tight end opens up the middle of the field.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 25, 2019, 08:22:01 am
What would impress anyone about Mariota? Not impressed here. Never was impressed in college either. Plus our Oline is horrible too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 25, 2019, 10:33:16 am
I say if we had a good line there would be 12 wins and we wouldn’t be talking about other problems.

Getting 5-6 yards on first down and running in the red zone would be huge.

A more relaxed Mitch with more time to see the field would be great
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 25, 2019, 10:00:54 pm
QB is too important. We can't simply go into next season with this guy and no other competition. He's not proven he's the man. Obviously the Oline needs fixed but it's deeper than that...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on December 26, 2019, 09:54:20 am
We are the 29th ranked offense. Does Nagy even realize that? He is the one calling the plays and doing a HORRIFIC job at it. he has to give up play calling next year.

That said we need at least two new offensive lineman, TE, and maybe a Qb.

Does Pagano even know how to run a D? We have no pass rush and no turnovers. Bend don't break does not work.

We barely touched Mahomes - he was real comfortable in the pocket - same with Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 28, 2019, 01:39:25 pm
If anyone is watching the Cotton Bowl, I’m hoping that Riley Patterson is the next Bears kicker if Piniero doesn’t work out.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 28, 2019, 04:42:16 pm
And if you’re watching LSU, K’Lavon Chaisson would be a nice Floyd replacement...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 29, 2019, 02:59:20 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2019/12/the-ideal-new-chicago-bears-offensive-coordinator-and-hes-about-to-be-available/?fbclid=IwAR1RjnHK1DWCvEtsSyjfjnbZ2G9p8KzZ491xdriBYCm79eEjB3TShIrYFN4
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 29, 2019, 07:44:59 am
Put me down for replacing Helfrich with Shurmur.  Anything has to help.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 29, 2019, 10:03:53 am
Replace the whole offensive coaching staff would be a good start....

I think Nagy should give up playcalling duties (not going to happen though) and just be Head Coach (which I think he does not do too bad at). Next year will be Nagy's last stand if he doesn't do that at least.....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2019, 11:31:06 am
I wonder what they'll do about Trubisky.. Personally, I think if he had a decent line you see a different QB. I at very least change QB coach... Fix the O line and get a run game going, you'll see a different Mitch..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2019, 11:37:19 am
Defensively, fire Pagano.. Now!! Pickup another pass rusher... Floyd has been a huge disappointment..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 29, 2019, 06:21:39 pm
Eagles have a 5’6” RB named Boston Scott who has 3 TDs today, and is getting all kinds of yards running up and down the middle of the field...unlike our 5’6” RB who runs for the sidelines every touch...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on December 29, 2019, 07:15:16 pm
If Mitch had a competent, pass blocking line and an actual NFL quality pass catching tight end, he would have a better chance to succeed. Don’t  bet on it though for a couple of reasons. One problem is Mitch doesn’t have the skill set to run Nagy’s scheme.  Also Nagy isn’t all that interested in changing his scheme to fit with Mitch’s purported strengths, such as accuracy and playmaking ability on the run. 

Nagy wants to be the smartest guy in the stadium, and Mitch can’t run his offense. The coach wants to run the 200 level stuff so badly....remember the game he called last year when Mitch was down and Chase Daniel had a week to prepare. “Now I can call all this cool stuff that Mitch can’t run!”  Maybe that’s what was happening in the first game this year, Nagy operating as if Mitch had progressed in the offseason.

Brad Biggs reported this week that Mitch was done as a starter for the Bears.  I wonder if he has some inside knowledge or does he look at the situation through the eyes of the head coach, who clearly doesn’t believe in his quarterback?

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on December 29, 2019, 07:17:41 pm
Drafting a QB high, ignoring the offensive line, providing mediocre (at best) skill position players, installing an absolutely horrible offensive scheme, and then blaming the QB is just "so Bears".
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 29, 2019, 07:43:27 pm
Drafting a QB high, ignoring the offensive line, providing mediocre (at best) skill position players, installing an absolutely horrible offensive scheme, and then blaming the QB is just "so Bears".

When has Nagy or Pace blamed Trubisky?

The fans and media do.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 29, 2019, 07:46:51 pm
There is plenty of blame to go around on offense.

I sure hope Leno has been playing with a severe injury that he can recover from during the off season because if this just how he plays they need to cut him no matter how much money they paid him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 29, 2019, 07:53:17 pm
There is plenty of blame to go around on offense.

I sure hope Leno has been playing with a severe injury that he can recover from during the off season because if this just how he plays they need to cut him no matter how much money they paid him.

Hard to figure why he's played so badly.

Maybe he's just aging a little early.  Either way today was the exclamation point Pace needs to do something
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on December 29, 2019, 07:59:28 pm
Pace needs to do something

He is.  He put on some **** and he's jerking off.

Oh, you meant about left tackle?  Nope.  He's good with Leno.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2019, 11:28:50 pm
If Leno is still on this team come next season they are not interested in winning games, he's just that bad....seriously....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 29, 2019, 11:39:30 pm
A lot of teams cant seem to find the LT needed year after year, like musical chairs. Oh yeah just cut Leno. Then any rookie can replace him....right? Come on.....use your head.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2019, 05:33:05 am
If Mitch had a competent, pass blocking line and an actual NFL quality pass catching tight end, he would have a better chance to succeed. Don’t  bet on it though for a couple of reasons. One problem is Mitch doesn’t have the skill set to run Nagy’s scheme.  Also Nagy isn’t all that interested in changing his scheme to fit with Mitch’s purported strengths, such as accuracy and playmaking ability on the run. 

Nagy wants to be the smartest guy in the stadium, and Mitch can’t run his offense. The coach wants to run the 200 level stuff so badly....remember the game he called last year when Mitch was down and Chase Daniel had a week to prepare. “Now I can call all this cool stuff that Mitch can’t run!”  Maybe that’s what was happening in the first game this year, Nagy operating as if Mitch had progressed in the offseason.

Brad Biggs reported this week that Mitch was done as a starter for the Bears.  I wonder if he has some inside knowledge or does he look at the situation through the eyes of the head coach, who clearly doesn’t believe in his quarterback?

Biggs is firm in his opinions, and little will change his mind.  He was out in front a few years ago saying the Bears would be cutting Fuller loose rather than resign him.  He was extremely critical, and in time Fuller turned that criticism as arguably the best Bears defender in a difficult position to play.

I can not disagree with you about Nagy.  I have been saying it the whole season.  Nagy has the beautiful mind and sees his offense running a certain way.  I believe it actually pains him to run an offense away from his beliefs regardless of the performance.  When a coach comes out and says he wasn't brought here to run the I formation, that sums it up in a sentence.  We all have eyes.  We see what we see.  Operating out of power or I formation, the Bears offense actually looks like it works.  It's a small sample, because as soon as we see it, it goes away.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 30, 2019, 09:21:59 am
The O line has to be the priority. I’m unsure if it is talent or scheme/coaching but they got to fix the OL. Maybe the guys we have just can’t block the zone scheme.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2019, 09:34:56 am
I dont care what QB you have if your Oline blows a different QB isnt going to help you. You put Erin behind our line and they dont make the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 30, 2019, 03:00:12 pm
Interesting Pat Shurmer is now available.

He developed McNabb under Andy Reid, went the the Rams when they drafted Sam Bradford and he was rookie of the year.  He got the only decent play out of Colt McCoy. Back to the Eagles he coached Nick Foles from out of nowhere.  With the Vikings Bradford again had his only other decent season and Caze Keemun had his only good year

Sounds just like what Trubisky needs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2019, 03:15:26 pm
Bring Shurmur and Case Keenum.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 30, 2019, 04:35:01 pm
I would be on board with that.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 30, 2019, 08:04:57 pm
Perfect job for Leno after he's canned. He can watch people go by him just like he did with the Bears.....

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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2019, 05:19:29 am
Does anyone ever stop to have them check your receipt?  I always tell them no thanks.  I don't have time for that and walk by.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 31, 2019, 06:40:31 am
A friend sent me this link... pretty funny about Trubisky and some other QBs...

https://imgur.com/gallery/D3Fcuae

Everyone have a safe and Happy New Year !
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2019, 07:17:07 am
https://youtu.be/PPQYmTe11Ko

Ok so it is a 3 hour long pod cast with Draft Dr Phil, but it is entertaining.  He points out how Nagy, Helfrich, and Hiestand all have different Offensive philosophies which dont mesh at all.  Most likely Helfrich and Heistand need to go.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2019, 09:36:25 am
General manager Ryan Pace handed out extensions left and right over the last few years with the belief that he had all the pieces in place, but the line seriously underperformed this season.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/12/30/21042558/chicago-bears-2019-2020-season-8-8-record-mitch-trubisky-matt-nagy-tarik-cohen-khalil-mack

According to this article the Bears are boxed in cap wise and likely arent going to cut fan favorites. It seems to me that the best case scenario is to change offensive line coaches to see if a different

coach can get them back on track. Draft? Who knows. To me the situation seems bleak at best. Start whining.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2019, 10:04:36 am
If we get rid of Hiestand and Helfrich, bring in Shumur to be OC, and maybe an OL coach who is on the same page, maybe we wont suckk too bad???  I am trying not to get depressed on New Years Eve...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 31, 2019, 10:47:14 am
I doubt Shurmur goes to a team with an offensive minded HC. He’ll want to be the OC, not the assistant to the HC.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2019, 12:55:36 pm
The Bears are sticking by quarterback Mitchell Trubisky, but they’re planning some other major changes on offense.

Bears offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich is out, according to multiple reports, and so are two other key offensive assistants, line coach Harry Hiestand and tight ends coach Kevin Gilbride Jr.

Also on the way out is assistant special teams coach Brock Olivo.

The offense ultimately falls on the shoulders of Bears head coach Matt Nagy, but while Nagy will stay in place, he apparently wants a significant change on his coaching staff.

Helfrich spent four years as head coach at Oregon from 2013 to 2016. Nagy gave him his first NFL job in 2018. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Helfrich back on the college level as an assistant in 2020.

Hiestand also has more experience at the college level and may go back to school. Gilbride previously coached alongside his father with the Giants and could now join his father in the XFL, as Kevin Gilbride Sr. is head coach of the New York Guardians. Olivo has previously been a special teams assistant in Denver and Kansas City.

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Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2019, 01:33:34 pm
Helfrich he gone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2019, 01:35:13 pm
Hiestand . He gone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2019, 01:35:51 pm
Gilbride. He gone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2019, 01:36:18 pm
Olivo. He gone.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 31, 2019, 02:52:30 pm
All good and deserved moves.  The wr coach could have went to. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 31, 2019, 03:25:58 pm
Hallelujah I thought maybe Nagy would be too stubborn.

Bring in guys with NFL experience
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 31, 2019, 04:33:35 pm
Fuller re-worked his contract to free up some cap space in 2020.

Bears have two second round picks 43 and 50.  Then three picks in the 5th 142, 146 and 149. A 6th at 177 and a 7th at 211.

No 1st, 3rd or 4th round picks.

Not much cap space.  It is going to be very difficult to fix what ails this team.

https://670thescore.radio.com/chicago-bears-7-selections-2020-nfl-draft-order?fbclid=IwAR2Oy8OJTNH0eMT6PUWAJDrmhjmnJxj2xmDTs93P37xzQXwd-vcHGkA22HQ
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 31, 2019, 04:55:05 pm
Truth is the difference between winning and losing is fractions.  We can turn it around.  If Hicks had not gotten hurt, we might have been a wild card team.  We need to upgrade the Oline which new coach might do wonders, another pass rusher, a TE, another CB.  All this can be accomplished this offseason.

After last season we were needing a K, a pass rusher and TE, so we had needs then as well. That was after a playoff appearance.  We could easily go back to playoffs next year.

I am starting to lose a little faith in Pace.  He needs a strong off season IMO to establish himself long term.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 31, 2019, 05:21:45 pm
After cuts and restructuring, bears will have between 25-40 million cap space.
Pace will have enough to do what ever he wants.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 31, 2019, 06:54:13 pm
Does that include Chase Daniel?

He's of no value and I think was given a high contract.

Also the cap goes up about $23m a year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 31, 2019, 07:54:39 pm
Does that include Chase Daniel?

He's of no value and I think was given a high contract.

Also the cap goes up about $23m a year.
Daniel is built into the ~15 million they have without cuts.  I'm assuming long, Gabriel, Shaheen and amukamura are all cut. That will put them around low 30 million.
 Floyd is on the books for around 12, I think he gets extended for less or cut outright.  That could add another 4-5 or 12 million.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on December 31, 2019, 07:59:59 pm
The worst organization in professional sports.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 01, 2020, 02:01:33 am
Floyd has been a bum and should be on the way out. They can find someone to play better there.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 01, 2020, 06:31:54 am
Will be re-arranging deck chairs offensively on the Titanic without ****-canning  Dave Ragone too. Man hasn't done anything to correct Trubisky and was kept for "continuity" purposes from the Fox regime....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 01, 2020, 07:08:04 am
Daniel is built into the ~15 million they have without cuts.  I'm assuming long, Gabriel, Shaheen and amukamura are all cut. That will put them around low 30 million.
 Floyd is on the books for around 12, I think he gets extended for less or cut outright.  That could add another 4-5 or 12 million.

It seems you are overestimating the cap space. I am believing its much tighter than your figures.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 01, 2020, 07:18:34 am
Is Harry Hiestand to blame for sinking $130 million worth of contract extensions into an offensive line that struggled all season?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/12/31/21044799/bears-run-end-around-to-perfection-in-firing-of-oc-mark-helfrich-3-assistantshttps://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/12/31/21044799/bears-run-end-around-to-perfection-in-firing-of-oc-mark-helfrich-3-assistants

Lots of blame but no accountability.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 01, 2020, 07:27:19 am
Listening to the Score yesterday, it s said that Ragone is highly regarded and could be in line for a promotion.  I'd like to see us resign Kwit.  I love Trev and all he has done, but he get's injured every year.  Kwit is more solidly built and I think if the price is the same you go with Kwit.  I'd hate to see him leave and go to Green Bay.  Too much to stomach.

I think Floyd will be here, whether it is the last year on his contract or a new deal.  Long and Daniel are gone.  Gabriel and Amakamura are iffy.  I say iffy, because who is our speed guy at WR?  And number 2 corners are a nice commodity.  Tolliver was good in relief, but I want to see more before I toss Prince aside.

I'd like to see how we can bring in another tackle.  If these was any way to get Williams from Washington and let Leno and Massie compete at right, that would be a dream.  Draft a guard, acquire draft a tight end.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 01, 2020, 07:35:09 am
Pace needs Trubisky to succeed. That’s why he ruled out bringing in a starting-caliber quarterback and holding an open competition. He’ll peruse second- and third-stringers, but, “Mitch is our starter.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2019/12/31/21044367/chicago-bears-ryan-pace-gm-general-manager-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-stats-2020-season-2017-draft

NO competition? Just a continuation of bad. Ugh!

The one instance in which Pace indicated a grasp of reality came when he was pressed about activating Trubisky’s 2021 option, a $20-plus million decision he must make by March. He said he hasn’t gotten to that yet.

UGH! That should get him fired.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 01, 2020, 08:00:55 am
I think Pace was giving standard answers.  They cannot telegraph to league what their true plans are.  They did talk about drafting QB as something they want to do to build depth.  I would not be surprised if we drafted a QB this year to groom.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 01, 2020, 09:14:44 am
On the OL it just keeps bugging me how they were not so bad last year, but looked like the Keystone Kops this year.  Was it Hiestand?  He was highly regarded, and developed Quinten Nelson at ND.  Kyle Long tweeted that he played every snap in his last game, and was put on IR because of coaching decisions.  Then I think to that drive in the Vikes game, Montgomery running thru wide open holes all the way down the field.  Why cant the OL block like that for the whole game?  I think getting Trent Williams is a pipe dream that we cant afford.  And didnt Leno struggle mightily at RT?  The OL has a lot of questions that need answers.

At least Draft Dr Phil called that the OC and OL Coach and Nagy were not on the same page, which makes sense.  Now please for the love of God lets get everyone on the same page.  And lets hold some people accountable for a change.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 01, 2020, 09:36:48 am
And didnt Leno struggle mightily at RT?

He most certainly did. Some players cant get the blocking straight on a particular side. Leno is one of those.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 01, 2020, 09:43:37 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/31/chicago-bears-general-manager-ryan-pace-gives-injury-updates-roquan-smith-trey-burton-anthony-miller-mitchell-trubisky/

I would recommend Trubisky for surgery on that left shoulder. I think it caused him to throw short all the time..... but then again it might have been the speed of the game and our slow receivers.

Speed kills you know. And having to get rid of the ball quicker due to to poor protection is also a huge factor.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on January 01, 2020, 09:58:28 am
Drafting a QB high, ignoring the offensive line, providing mediocre (at best) skill position players, installing an absolutely horrible offensive scheme, and then blaming the QB is just "so Bears".

Normally, you build the OL first, and then bring in your quarterback when he has adequate protection to perform.  Or, you bring in your quarterback and let him sit on the bench until you gradually bring in the protection.  But you do NOT put a young, inexperienced quarterback play behind a horrible line.

I don't know if Trubisky can make it or not.  But his talent is totally wasted behind this line and in this offensive scheme.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 01, 2020, 11:57:21 am
Leno did struggle at right tackle, but if I recall that was his rookie year , and 3 or 4 years ago.  We can not have that performance again at left tackle.  While I agree Trent Williams is a pipe dream, probably not the same long shot that getting Mack was.  And, the Redskins are starting over.  He is going to be someone's pipe dream this offseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 01, 2020, 02:01:46 pm
Bears have no choice but to stick with Mitch. We have so many other holes, no way you could spend all your capitol on a QB. Do we really have anything to hang our hat on? The D ended top 10, but... At times they just simply couldn't stop the other team when needed.. Can anyone really say they're happy with the job Pace has done?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 01, 2020, 02:20:04 pm
Pace's track record in the first round is pretty bad. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 01, 2020, 02:36:14 pm
I’ll never get over 2016.

Laremy Tunsil was sitting right there. When we traded up, I just knew we were taking him, and were set at LT for years.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 01, 2020, 02:48:04 pm
It seems you are overestimating the cap space. I am believing its much tighter than your figures.
Nope.  The money is there if they want it.  It depends on how desperate Pace is and how willing he is to borrow from future cap space to try and save his job. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 01, 2020, 03:35:22 pm
Passing on Tunsil was def one of the stupidest things this teams done in the draft...out of many...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 01, 2020, 05:05:01 pm
Bears already hired an OL coach, Juan Castillo.  Makes me think they already have all the positions filled, just waiting to announce.  Doubt it was an extensive search, just Reid guys Nagy knows.

"The 60-year-old Castillo most recently served as the offensive line coach and run game coordinator for the Bills from 2017 to 2018. Buffalo finished in the top 10 in total rushing yards in the two seasons he spent with the team."
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 01, 2020, 06:14:23 pm
Mitch will get better when the O line gets better - because the run game will be better.....and hopefully someone besides Nagy calling plays.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 01, 2020, 07:49:17 pm
The Castillo hiring sounds good

He was OL coach for the Ravens before Buffalo so he knows smash mouth line play

Curious what he has to say to Pace and Nagy after watching the film
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 01, 2020, 08:08:11 pm
A blind man can see that our OL does better firing out at the defenders instead of zone blocking.

The three times the Bears went to the power I this year they went right down the field and scored a TD.  Sadly it always only lasted one series then right back to Nagy ball.

Nagy needs to build off of that.  To me it is the only way this team gets back to winning football games consistently next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 01, 2020, 08:17:47 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY-pZ5Z8vF4
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 01, 2020, 09:10:15 pm
Can anyone really say they're happy with the job Pace has done?

Pace has been OK - let's say solid average - at player procurement.

His biggest mistake - by far - has been hiring Nagy.

Until he corrects that, his tenure will be a massive failure.

Nagy must go!  One of the worst head coaches in the history of the National Football League.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 02, 2020, 07:02:35 am
Nagy's not the worst by a long shot..... The TrestMess was the worst. Followed by "Ahhp He's gotta knee" Wanny, then maybe old Abe Gibron in my lifetime anyway....

I think he is in over his head last year and it showed. Wierd that his Bears still haven't lost to Detroit and have a very good Division record though. Maybe random chance but that goes hand in hand with this team (wierd "luck")....

He was not going anywhere this season anyway so they are stuck with him. A few firings (well deserved btw) and he gets another chance. A total flop this season and maybe (just maybe) they clean house. And if the lights go on ? I think this team can be pretty good......


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 02, 2020, 01:05:55 pm
The Fuller restructuring got the bears 6 million in cap space for this off-season.  Pace will have enough money to fill holes
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2020, 02:58:07 pm
I think you meant Pace has enough holes to need the money.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 03, 2020, 11:58:07 am
Players drafted in 2017 became eligible for contract extensions at the end of the regular season and safety Eddie Jackson is the first player to get one.

Jackson has agreed to a four-year extension with the Bears. His agents tweeted that the deal is worth $58.4 million with a total guarantee of $33 million.

The annual average salary of $14.6 million is a new high for NFL safeties.

Jackson was a fourth-round pick in 2017 and he moved right into the starting lineup for Chicago. He’s recorded 184 tackles, 10 interceptions, four forced fumbles, five fumble recoveries and two sacks over his first three seasons.

Jackson was selected to his second straight Pro Bowl this season and was a first-team All-Pro for the 2018 season.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 03, 2020, 12:01:32 pm
Deserved.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 03, 2020, 12:14:38 pm
As long as he does not have to come up into the box as much to tackle.... A few times this season he didn't look like he wanted to stick his nose in (he could be seen looking where the hole was that the runner was coming into). Granted those were on short yardage plays, but that's where you need to do that.....

I hope it was just an off-year for him. For his and the Bears sake....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 03, 2020, 12:19:34 pm
Pagano needs to let him focus on FS instead of SS.  FS is where he shines. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 03, 2020, 12:23:43 pm
Nagy's not the worst by a long shot..... The TrestMess was the worst. Followed by "Ahhp He's gotta knee" Wanny, then maybe old Abe Gibron in my lifetime anyway....

I think he is in over his head last year and it showed. Wierd that his Bears still haven't lost to Detroit and have a very good Division record though. Maybe random chance but that goes hand in hand with this team (wierd "luck")....

He was not going anywhere this season anyway so they are stuck with him. A few firings (well deserved btw) and he gets another chance. A total flop this season and maybe (just maybe) they clean house. And if the lights go on ? I think this team can be pretty good......

What about Dick YourOn...I mean Dick Jouron. Guy wearing a headset on the sidelines with the Deer in headlights look.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 03, 2020, 01:10:03 pm
What about Dick YourOn...I mean Dick Jouron. Guy wearing a headset on the sidelines with the Deer in headlights look.

He should have done better with Henry Burris Kordell Stewart and Mcnown.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 03, 2020, 01:48:01 pm
Almost forgot the fish-eyed Jauron :D

Mediocrity defined for sure but not on the pure T awfulness of Gabron, Wanny, and Trestmess.....


Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 03, 2020, 03:11:57 pm
Let's face it, we've had a real mess at head coach..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 03, 2020, 07:12:46 pm
None worse that the current numbnuts peckerwood.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 04, 2020, 06:49:01 am
We'll see after this next season where it stands...

IMHO he's more Lovie level than Trestman level.....

Of course this fan base deserves better but they've got to "Dance with the Lady they got" :D
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2020, 11:22:08 am
However.........it wouldnt shock me if they made a move on a late round QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 04, 2020, 11:52:09 am
Wannstedt, Jauron, Lovie, Trestman, Fox, Nagy.... To date, I would have a hard time saying Nagy is the worst. Think back, how the fukk do you hire Dick Jauron. You've already pissed your fan base off by keeping Wannstedt so long. They hired Lovie cause he was black and cheap. To date, he was probably the best out of the bunch. Trestman? Emory should've been shot in the head. Fox acted as if he didn't even care about being on the field. What a mess...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 05, 2020, 04:27:44 pm
Will someone PLEASE tell Nagy that the top FOUR rushing teams made the playoffs....the top 4 passing teams MISSED the playofffs
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 05, 2020, 07:28:31 pm
Sounds like Kyle Long is retiring.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 05, 2020, 07:33:03 pm
He's been Nagy-ed.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 05, 2020, 07:38:33 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/05/kyle-long-stepping-away-from-football/
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 05, 2020, 11:38:29 pm
Nice depressing read on all the QBs in these playoffs the Bears passed on.....
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-mitch-trubisky-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-drew-brees-20200104-txv2xprxj5bfraxqytrkqfktsq-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 06, 2020, 05:49:43 am
The Bears have sucked for years. It's time the fans demand a winning product. One that wins consistently. Instead of throwing a crumb to the fans every 5 years.. Sick of it..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 06, 2020, 07:30:24 am
The only way to make a difference is to stop $upporting them
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 06, 2020, 10:12:55 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/04/chicago-bears-biggest-offseason-priorities-matt-nagy-mitchell-trubisky-allen-robinson/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2020, 10:02:10 am
I like option 5 the best:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/06/five-candidates-to-replace-kyle-long-at-right-guard-for-chicago-bears/

Bars I question. He might be who they lean on if if they cant get kindley. Really depends on how the draft goes and who is there when we pick in the 2nd round.

And I know zippo about the line coach they mention. But its good they already secured a new one
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 07, 2020, 10:29:03 am
Nobody really knows what Bars is capable of since he only played in a couple preseason games at guard and at LT.  At the end of the season the Bears were using him occasionally as the 6th offensive lineman. Again, why didn't he start against the Vikes?    The fact that the Pats put in a claim for him is positive.

Coward didn't impress but this was his first full season at guard...ever.  So that must be taken into account.  I would not pencil him in as the starter.

Not interested in older higher $ FAs - Bears already have too much $  tied up in offensive line.

Though I'd prefer a powerful RT early in the draft that could start out at guard and eventually migrate to RT, I must admit I like the idea of having a monster sized guard that can move defenders off the ball.  Soloman Kindley might be an option in round 2.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2020, 10:43:25 am
And we seem to like Georgia players, dont we?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 07, 2020, 11:11:31 am
For a monster, check out Mekhi Becton of Louisville...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 07, 2020, 03:07:52 pm
Coward should be cut.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2020, 03:58:06 pm
He really hasnt shown much even after the switch from defense to offense
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 07, 2020, 04:04:18 pm

He can't be cut but he can be not re-signed.  He's a RFA.

This is his first year of playing on the O-line.  He's only 25 and maybe a new offensive line coach/scheme can improve his play.

Right now we don't exactly have many options at RG.  That could change with the draft and free agency.  But you could just bring him to camp and see what happens.

The fact that he was replaced in the last game isn't a good sign for his future as a Bear though.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 07, 2020, 04:55:38 pm
I suspect our new OL coach is reviewing game film or will be shortly

Would love to know what he’s thinking as he sees last year mess
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2020, 05:11:21 pm
I have a good idea what I would be thinking if I were him.....What General Custer thought at Little Big Horn....What am I doing here?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 07, 2020, 06:31:58 pm
I have a good idea what I would be thinking if I were him.....What General Custer thought at Little Big Horn....What am I doing here?


LOL  I hope he's thinking the previous coach was an idiot and he can correct the problem without 4 new linemen.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 07, 2020, 06:35:31 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX5fEQL5lyY
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 07, 2020, 07:06:16 pm
the tape says the OL still sucks. At least Coward did't play.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 07, 2020, 07:34:39 pm
He can't be cut but he can be not re-signed.  He's a RFA.

This is his first year of playing on the O-line.  He's only 25 and maybe a new offensive line coach/scheme can improve his play.

Right now we don't exactly have many options at RG.  That could change with the draft and free agency.  But you could just bring him to camp and see what happens.

The fact that he was replaced in the last game isn't a good sign for his future as a Bear though.
If Coward comes back for the minimum they should keep him around.  I also think it was telling that Larsen was his replacement and not Bars.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 07, 2020, 07:37:51 pm
Just need a large infusion of quality linemen this offseason. They cannot keep it like it was this season, I do not care one iota how much or when they overpaid them. They SUCK and that line needs revamped....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 08, 2020, 11:11:21 am
If Coward comes back for the minimum they should keep him around.  I also think it was telling that Larsen was his replacement and not Bars.

I don't think there will be a lot of teams driving up the price of Coward.  I think the Bears had seen enough of Coward for 2019 and decided to play it safe in the final game of the season and go with a veteran.  Nagy wanted the win to finish up without a losing season.  After seeing Larsen play I think it was a mistake not playing Bars.

Just need a large infusion of quality linemen this offseason. They cannot keep it like it was this season, I do not care one iota how much or when they overpaid them. They SUCK and that line needs revamped....

I understand your concern - it's certainly valid.  I have no idea how the play of the entire line LT to RT declined.  Leno was a pro bowl alternate in 2018.  So was Whitehair.  Daniels was on all rookie teams.  And Massie turned in another steady season after a solid 2017 and second half of 2016.

But the salary cap rules are a significant obstacle.  You can work around it with draft choices and maybe get lucky with cheaper free agent types.  But its not going to be easy especially with holes developing on the defensive side that need attention.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 08, 2020, 11:34:30 am
Bring in Mr Myagi to train them
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2020, 12:28:24 pm
Even Mr Magoo would be an improvement over Hiestand.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 08, 2020, 01:29:05 pm

There was so much wrong with this offense.

 I'd like to bring back the fullback.

And it drove me nuts when it's 3rd and 1 and we are not only in a shotgun but an empty backfield.  Constant sideways passes.  Inability to execute a standard HB screen pass.  Few passes in the middle of the field - where's the crossing patterns?  Very few deep balls where a receiver is isolated one on one.

On and on.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 08, 2020, 01:31:09 pm
And can we please add to teach everyone on the OL who they are supposed to block on each play?  Lots of mistakes there, including just letting guys go right by you.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 08, 2020, 01:45:02 pm

And our QB coach needs to teach Mitch to step up in the pocket.  His pocket presence needs work. 

How many times did our defense miss sacks when the opposing team's QB take a step up or to the side and then completes the pass downfield?

Mitch tends to get happy feet and roll to his right rather than relaxing stepping toward the LOS and buy himself a second or two.   Granted with our O-line I could see why a QB gets happy feet but too many times there was a solid pocket and Mitch just ran into trouble.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 08, 2020, 02:36:20 pm
Mitchell has a tendency to go backwards from the pocket.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 08, 2020, 03:15:31 pm
I agree about Mitch, but as mentioned, hard to have good pocket awareness with the line he was playing behind..

Also agree, 3rd and 1 with an empty backfield... Terrible..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 08, 2020, 04:06:01 pm
Andy Dalton as a backup anyone?????????
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 08, 2020, 04:15:43 pm
definitely want to see the Bears explore their options at backup QB.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 08, 2020, 04:23:15 pm

What about that kid that tore us up in the preseason...from the Bills or Colts.  Chad Kelly.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 08, 2020, 04:48:00 pm
And our QB coach needs to teach Mitch to step up in the pocket.

What pocket?

In all seriousness, you cannot properly train a QB when protection is constantly breaking down.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 08, 2020, 07:05:10 pm
Chad Kelly.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 08, 2020, 11:00:41 pm
All valid points. Hard to blame Tru not stepping up into the pocket when he can't trust that terrible line but he did also run out INTO pressure too many times. The ridiculous play calls in short yardage situations was just terrible, as were..well, much of what was called during a game. 45 passes from a QB having a hard time throwing 5 yards?? Having success with the I formation and then never using it? Empty backfields with a horrible blocking line?? Might as well throw some meat back there and let the lions at it. Cohen with his CONSTANT catch and run to the sidelines stunt. It's just consistently stupid stuff. How does this improve dramatically in this offseason??
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 09, 2020, 03:22:24 am
LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kt46X_odUA
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 09, 2020, 04:32:34 am
And our QB coach needs to teach Mitch to step up in the pocket.  His pocket presence needs work. 

How many times did our defense miss sacks when the opposing team's QB take a step up or to the side and then completes the pass downfield?

Mitch tends to get happy feet and roll to his right rather than relaxing stepping toward the LOS and buy himself a second or two.   Granted with our O-line I could see why a QB gets happy feet but too many times there was a solid pocket and Mitch just ran into trouble.

I believe I posted here that I'd like to see them work with Mitch on evading the rush better.  Sure, pushing up in the pocket is a skill and feel that good quarterbacks develop.  But what I am wanting to see him better use his athleticism when the pocket collapses.  He is too athletic to take some of the sacks that he takes.  Without rewatching, it may be that he is trying to make the pass until the final second, before trying to escape allowing the lineman to get too close and make the play.  Russell Wilson is the gold standard, and not expecting that, but I think there could be lessons learned from watching a player like Wilson, when he starts breaking down, how he makes more time for himself, etc. 

On the other end, receivers need to practice getting to an open hole.  You see Green Bay doing it, and watching the Bears in similar situations, it seemed like often they were spectators and not driving to get to an open spot.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 09, 2020, 09:47:13 am
Agreed - it all starts with the O line.

I believe Montgomery has 1,000+ yards next if the O-line is improved.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 09, 2020, 01:21:41 pm

griz

On the other end, receivers need to practice getting to an open hole.  You see Green Bay doing it, and watching the Bears in similar situations, it seemed like often they were spectators and not driving to get to an open spot.

Exactly!

Our view from our living rooms doesn't always show it but occasionally we get a shot where you see Trubisky looking for secondary receivers, trying to buy some time, scrambling around and our receivers just standing still facing the QB with a defender right behind him ready to knock the ball away if it comes their way.

I don't know the reason behind this, maybe it's to freeze the defenders downfield so they don't rush the QB, but I rarely see anybody working back toward the ball or changing their original hook and freeze route.

Either come back to the QB or go long.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 09, 2020, 07:17:00 pm
do something..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 10, 2020, 05:47:56 am
One thing I want to see new offensive line coach Juan Castillo, and it's a little thing.  Teach the players to get behind Montgomery when he is stopped.  He doesn't go down easy.  I can count at least 8 times in my head where Whitehair is just standing there, while Montgomery is being held up and fighting for more yards.  Every team in the league does it, and while I saw us do it infrequently, it needs to be studied and taught. 

And following games, embarrass the lineman in front of their fellow lineman during film review if they see that loafing.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 10, 2020, 01:41:13 pm
Our O line....

Should be built around Whitehair and Daniels - I think BOTH should be playing guard. Massie is adequte at right tackle.

We need a quality center - I am guessing there has to be free agent centers?

Leno needs to go. Period - end of story.

BUt yes - agreed - the coaching and blockimng philosophy was atrocious this year. But, I am not sure what Castillo brings.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2020, 01:52:24 pm
Isnt Daniels on the small side?  He may or may not be better suited for C.  Fingers crossed that better coaching will improve line play.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 10, 2020, 03:11:27 pm

He's 305 lbs up from 295 in college - but he's more of a finesse guy not a power guy:

Sources Tell Us

"The Iowa guys are always going to be quick and proficient, but you have to see them tested against power because they are usually going to be a little smaller, too. This guy has decent size and I think he's got pretty good functional power. He would come in and challenge for best center in our division right away." -- NFC team college scouting director
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 11, 2020, 08:09:51 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/1/9/21058857/chicago-bears-coach-matt-nagy-hires-clancy-barone-as-tight-ends-coach-kevin-gilbride
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 11, 2020, 11:38:33 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/10/chicago-bears-2020-nfl-mock-draft-offensive-line-cornerback-austin-jackson-jeff-gladney/

hmmm!
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 11, 2020, 11:46:01 am
I dont buy this and I hope this is wrong.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/10/chicago-bears-quarterback-controversy-mitchell-trubisky-marcus-mariota-ryan-pace/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

This guy got benched in favor of Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee who took Tennessee to the playoffs. I dont think he is better than we already have.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 11, 2020, 11:55:28 am
Our new TE coach:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/10/get-to-know-chicago-bears-new-tight-ends-coach-clancy-barone/

Lots of experience for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 11, 2020, 12:52:25 pm
Barone looks like a tough guy who isnt going to take any crap.  Lets hope he can get the most out of the pusssy Burton, or he gone.  Shaheen, I think is a lost cause. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 11, 2020, 08:38:19 pm
On QB merits alone, I prefer Trubisky to Tannehill.  But look at what good coaching, a quality offensive line, and a top running game can do.

#Nagyblows
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2020, 12:54:33 am

Barone looks like a tough guy who isnt going to take any crap.  Lets hope he can get the most out of the pusssy Burton, or he gone.  Shaheen, I think is a lost cause.

Burton was injured...much more seriously than anyone realized.  Shaheen just can't stay healthy. 

Bears got to be bring a new TE to challenge those 2.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 12, 2020, 01:06:13 am
I think burton just sucks.  Head case, injury prone **** who got over hyped the year the Eagles went to the Super Bowl!  Shaheen is just a never was.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 12, 2020, 05:47:19 am
Dallasbear2 - We hardly knew you...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 12, 2020, 07:21:53 am
As pointed out. Straighten the line out and get a run game going, Mitch will look much better..
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 12, 2020, 07:53:52 am
Burton very well may have been injured, but his injurys sure were secret and very mysteriously timed.  Just saying.  And I think some of his problems are between his ears. 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 12, 2020, 06:54:07 pm
Prediction

Bears eventually move on from Trubisky.

Patriots sign him and he becomes a multiple time Super Bowl champion with them.

Bears continue to be one of the worst franchises in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 12, 2020, 10:21:39 pm
Prediction

Bears eventually move on from Trubisky.

Patriots sign him and he becomes a multiple time Super Bowl champion with them.

Bears continue to be one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

Or the alternative, he's Mike Tomczak with the Bears for 10 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2020, 10:36:12 pm
Or the alternative, he's Mike Tomczak with the Bears for 10 years.

And the Bears go without a winning record for 10 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 12, 2020, 10:59:12 pm
So if Tom Brady signed with the Bears what would all of your thoughts be?

I don't think it is going to happen and it would likely not end well since we have a terrible O-line and paying him would mean we couldn't upgrade it very much.  I just want to hear what others think.

I believe he would struggle mightily behind the Bears current O-line and would get boo'd off the field after a few games and we would be worse off then we are with Trubisky since he is pretty mobile.

Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on January 12, 2020, 11:54:31 pm
Brady will play one more year in NE and retire.

They have no successor to him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 13, 2020, 12:28:05 am
No he won't.  He and his trainer put their homes up for sale months ago.  He wants one big payday before retiring and he has always said he would play until 45.

He has given the Patriots a home town discount.  I don't think he wants to give them another one.  Plus Bill likes to go younger and cheaper.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2020, 12:44:51 am
Belichick should leave with Brady....they're linked....
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2020, 04:29:12 am
This is a good article and good analysis of where the Bears are now and going forward.

Are the Bears closer to a Super Bowl or starting over at quarterback? An honest assessment — not an emotional one — is needed ahead of the 2020 season.
By DAN WIEDERER and RICH CAMPBELL
CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
JAN 11, 2020 | 8:00 AM

Once again, January has become an empty month in Chicago. The NFL playoffs continue with eight teams still eyeing the Super Bowl. Yet once again, the season’s biggest games go on with the Bears stuck on the outside and with a passionate fan base left to deal with its frustration and envy.

The rival Packers? They’re awaiting a visit from the Seahawks.

The Vikings? Their road upset of the Saints on Sunday sends them to San Francisco for the divisional round.

Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson? The two quarterbacks Bears general manager Ryan Pace passed over three years ago in the draft will reunite in a highly anticipated postseason duel in Kansas City.

So how can the Bears get back in the championship hunt? How can they rediscover the formula that propelled a 12-4 season in 2018? Most importantly, in this edition of “Real Talk,” Tribune Bears writers Dan Wiederer and Rich Campbell tackle one of the biggest big-picture questions: Are the Bears close?

Dan Wiederer: Close. It’s an interesting and open-ended adjective. But it’s the one quarterback Mitch Trubisky chose after the Bears ended their 8-8 season on Dec. 29 in Minneapolis. Trubisky said he believes these Bears are indeed close. “I feel like we’ve got the pieces,” he said. “We just need to put it all together.”

When pressed for reasons he senses the Bears are close, Trubisky emphasized his team’s resolve and competitive grit.

“We could have easily just cashed it in," he said. "But we didn’t. We never gave up, all the way to the last minute. We have guys who will battle and stick with you through thick and thin.”

You know where I stand on this, Rich. I’m with Trubisky that a team’s unity and persistence mean something. Sure. Those are important qualities that are prerequisites for the climb up the mountain.

But at this level those qualities alone don’t denote a team that is close to achieving and sustaining high-level success. They simply provide reassurance that the Bears are no longer a bottom-tier mess vulnerable to debilitating division and dysfunction.

Campbell: You and I are — ahem — close on this point, Dan. The Bears’ chemistry, harmony and functionality in finishing .500 get a golf clap from me. Worthy of applause, indeed, yes, OK. But I’ll save the roar for when they make the long putt.

Consider the Eagles. In late October, someone within the team anonymously and publicly criticized quarterback Carson Wentz. That was before they lost three straight games to fall to 5-7. The Bears never reached that level of dysfunction.

But the Eagles beat the Bears, dominating them in the first half of that 19-14 game in Philly on Nov. 3. They finished with a winning record. They won their division and hosted a playoff game.

Which team was “closer” to the ultimate goal this season?

Oh, you say the Eagles played in a lousy NFC East? Well, the Bears finished 8-8 with five of their wins against quarterbacks Case Keenum, Jeff Driskel, Daniel Jones, David Blough and Sean Mannion.

It’s about winning. And you mentioned the word I’m fixated on: sustaining. The Bears certainly could jump back into the playoffs in 2020. But how close are they to sustaining success?

Wiederer: Bingo. And that’s where the most important leaders in the organization have to step back and be honest with themselves. There has to be an aversion to the self-congratulatory vibes that always seem to accompany the occasional exhilarating triumph. One 12-win season can’t leave everyone at Halas Hall feeling intoxicated and believing a Super Bowl is truly within reach when the roster still has so many major flaws.

Think about the offseason shopping list for Ryan Pace. The offensive line needs an upgrade. The tight end position needs an overhaul. A backup quarterback who can become a starter if necessary is a must. The Bears may also have to find starting-caliber secondary replacements for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Prince Amukamara. They have to decide what to do with linebacker Danny Trevathan and Nick Kwiatkoski.

Their pass rush needs a boost. Their offense was bottom five in many of the most meaningful categories.

It doesn’t feel like we’re describing a team that is close to sustaining excellence. At some point there has to be a realization of what it takes to not only achieve success in a cutthroat world but to sustain it.

You know exactly how I feel about a third-place team breaking out the disco ball and strobe light for a shrug win. Think bigger. Have higher standards. (Couldn't agree more...) Understand exactly what it is you want to be “close” to.

Campbell: Let’s sound it out, then. What does it take to sustain success?

A wise football philosopher once said: “You don’t achieve greatness in this league without great quarterback play.”

(Checks notes)

Ah, yes. Those were Pace’s words after boldly trading up to draft Trubisky.

Well, three years later, Trubisky’s body of work falls well short of “great quarterback play.” The flashes of greatness have been too few and far between. Even Pace, Trubisky’s greatest champion, has acknowledged the quarterback’s insufficient performance level, albeit tepidly.

So maybe one way to go about this is ask ourselves: How close are the Bears to getting great quarterback play?

It’s a loaded question with uncomfortable answers.

Wiederer: And maybe that is the heart of the matter, even with as much as the fixation on quarterback performance can sometimes feel like overkill.

Still, if it’s widely accepted that great quarterback play is the most reliable catalyst for sustaining success, the Bears probably aren’t really close to anything. The two NFC teams with the most playoff appearances in the 2010s are the Packers and Seahawks, who coincidentally will meet Sunday at Lambeau Field in each team’s eighth postseason appearance of the last 10 seasons. Neither team has spent much time second-guessing its starting quarterback. Nor have they had to invest valuable energy and resources in troubleshooting the position.

Meanwhile, the Bears have a three-year starter they are tutoring to become, in Matt Nagy’s vision, “a master at understanding coverages.” Along with that, there is a push to get Trubisky to trust the pocket better; to polish his footwork to help the timing of the passing game; to improve his touchdown-to-checkdown mentality. That’s a lot of heavy lifting.

Campbell: Pocket presence, playmaking savvy — those question marks get at Trubisky’s instincts. If Trubisky has them, why hasn’t he shown them more consistently by now? Does he need everything to be perfect around him for them to shine on game days? How realistic is that? It’s particularly worrisome entering Year 4.

Wiederer: Pace has acknowledged Trubisky’s troubling inconsistency but downplayed his own worry on the matter: “There’s just a growth process we’re watching take place.”

Pace has emphasized how Trubisky made only 13 starts in college and how he had to learn a new offensive system after his rookie season. But the former factor should have been part of the Bears’ predraft evaluation process. And Pace had control of the latter, pairing Trubisky in 2017 with a coaching staff he knew likely wouldn’t be around to see the development through.

So now a sixth-year GM and fourth-year quarterback are hoping patience and hard work can provide a significant breakthrough? That’s a “Proceed With Caution” warning if ever there was one.

Campbell: It’s a tough sell, too, given the regression in 2019. Maybe Trubisky pushes himself forward next season. But without evidence improvement is imminent, counting on that would put the Bears on thin ice.

Of course, the quarterback in the better-quarterback-play equation doesn’t necessarily have to be Trubisky. For them to get back to the playoffs in 2020, they could pair average quarterback play with a strong defense. The Vikings succeeded with that type of chicken-wire-and-gum approach with Case Keenum in 2017.

But for the Bears to sustain success, they need stability at the position. And that gets to a question at the heart of Pace’s offseason. What can he do to build around Trubisky? Three times in the opening minutes of the postseason news conference, he referenced shortcomings on offense around his handpicked quarterback, a potential clue about the upcoming player-acquisition cycle.

Pace can add a backup quarterback who is capable of winning games. The Bears also must figure out why all five offensive linemen regressed, understanding they’ve committed significant resources to four of them. As for the fifth spot, an upgrade at right guard is crucial for an interior trio that struggled mightily. Tight end is a black hole too.

I’m taking a see-it-to-believe-it approach on whether the Bears can improve in each of those areas. But they’ll take their swings.

Wiederer: Sure. Pace has never been afraid to take those swings. It’s just that the range of results on the biggest ones — from Khalil Mack and Allen Robinson to Trubisky and Kevin White — have been extreme.

My suggestion for the Bears to up their odds of succeeding in what promises to be a critical offseason is that they do their best to replace wishful thinking with critical thinking. As we’ve mentioned, this organization tends to grow easily enamored with flashes of promise rather than the full body of evidence. (This is so true and must happen for this team to succeed going forward IMO.)

It’s why Pace continues to put more weight on Trubisky’s occasional “Aha!” moments than he does on a three-season stretch defined by inconsistency.

It’s why Chairman George McCaskey and team President Ted Phillips are convinced that the 12-4 division-championship season of 2018 is this team’s true identity as opposed to the 8-8 disappointment they all just lived.

So are the Bears close? To another playoff appearance? As soon as next year? Perhaps.

Over time, the Bears have been able to catch lightning in a bottle. But the organization hasn’t enjoyed back-to-back winning seasons since 2005 and 2006. And the Bears haven’t made three consecutive playoff appearances since 1988.

So is this group close to what matters? Are they close to being a top-tier team year after year after year? An argument could be made that the Bears are just as close to starting over at quarterback, general manager and head coach as they are to winning a Super Bowl.

So again, proceed with caution with how you invest your hopes.

Campbell: In that sense, 2020 feels like a crossroads for the Bears. Do they rebound like the Vikings did this season? Or do they fall all the way back into irrelevance like the Jaguars have since their 2017 breakthrough?

Part of sustaining success is elevating your floor. Look at the Super Bowl favorite Ravens. In 12 seasons since John Harbaugh became coach, they’ve finished with a losing record one time. Once!

They’ve missed the playoffs more than once, but 8-8 has been their floor. They’ve contended for the playoffs just about every year, and they’ve been in the tournament in eight out of 12 seasons. That’s a testament to their skilled, smart decision-makers, talented evaluators and player developers.

As you mentioned, it has been too long since the Bears have sustained anything resembling that success.

If they returned to the playoffs next season, at least they would have better evidence that this year’s 8-8 record is their new floor. That, to me, is the only way to prove they’re close.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 13, 2020, 06:24:34 am
I think Brady is doing this exactly to get paid.  One last payday, no discount.  He will stay in New England.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 13, 2020, 08:37:21 am
I think it's more likely Brees ends up in Chicago then Brady.  I don't think that has much of a chance of happening though.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 13, 2020, 02:57:05 pm
Personally I dont want either......waste of money.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on January 13, 2020, 04:18:58 pm
No way Brees lands in Chicago.

He is not part of any overhaul project.


He stays in NO too.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on January 13, 2020, 04:29:43 pm
Time to rename this thread '2020 Chicago Bears - Still battling for 3rd in Division'
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2020, 05:52:01 pm
A lot of Bears Facebook posts about a new OC hire Lucas I think.

Not much background so everyone is panicking
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on January 13, 2020, 06:04:41 pm
Lazor


https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-bill-lazor-offensive-coordinator-20200113-2ijm34ibonezpbpqv45xxu75ea-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 13, 2020, 07:15:27 pm
Reportedly, Nagy likes the way Lazor sucks his **** and he gets Nagy's coffee right almost every time.

The NFL's worst head coach hires a **** clown as OC.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 13, 2020, 07:19:54 pm
slow sinking ship
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 14, 2020, 06:21:16 am
wow
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2020, 09:58:14 am
I am glad they made the coaching changes. The offense was HORRIFIC. None of the guys, TE coach & OC & line coach, were ever on the same page.

That said....

We expected a lot more out of Miller, Gabriel, Burton & Sheehan. These guys basically brought little production.

Obviously we need a great draft and even better FAs.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 14, 2020, 10:25:52 am

Aside from the O-line and TE, what are the Bears going to do at WR?

Is Gabriel coming back?  He seems to have concussion and possibly cap issues.

Could the Bears target a fast WR in the 2nd round?  Or will they be looking through the FA grab bag?  Or do the Bears believe that if they can fix O-line and TE that Miller, Wims and Ridley have enough talent to open up the offense?

After watch last weekend's playoff games and last night I'm envious of all these speedy receivers creating space and gaining huge chunks of yardage.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2020, 10:49:05 am
I would like to see them sign a WR and give more time to Wims and Ridley.

Gabriel has the great speed - so does Miller - but these guys can not stay healthy.

The TEs in all the playoff games are extremely important - Graham, Kittle, Kelce etc. - we have NONE.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 14, 2020, 10:51:29 am
Something doesnt add up on Gabriel.  He was in concussion protocol for what the last 6 or 7 weeks.  Some guys come out of that in 2 or 3 days.  I wonder if the Bears were trying to not get him hurt again, so they are not liable for an injury settlement when they cut him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2020, 10:52:55 am
Wasn't it his second? I would retire if I was him.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2020, 11:05:23 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/1/13/21064544/chicago-bears-bill-lazor-offensive-coordinator-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-juan-castillo-bengals.

Andy Dalton? Sounds like a Bears hire. Thats not that it is to my liking. But he might come cheap and will likely be available.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 14, 2020, 12:31:56 pm
 I am guessing Dalton would be a good option off the bench - better than Daniel. But as full season starter? no.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2020, 01:21:37 pm
During his four years as an offensive coordinator, Lazor’s offenses were some of the worst in the league. The Bengals were the worst offense in the NFL in 2017, and just once have his offenses finished higher than 26th. That came with the Dolphins in 2014, where they finished 14th during his first year as an offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 14, 2020, 01:26:55 pm

Who's going to take a a job with the title offensive coordinator that doesn't even get to call the plays? 
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2020, 01:30:01 pm
I would rather hire a QB coach that has a proven track record then an OC who has always sucked at the job.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 14, 2020, 02:24:25 pm
Well Lazor was QB coach for the Eagles under Shurmer when Nick Foles came in and led the league in passer rating.  He was an early coach for Tannehil when he was playing well then Dalton had a resurgence when Lazor was there.  He’s not a splash hire but at least he has experience under some good coaches.

I was wary of Nagy as a rookie coach hiring Helfrich who had no NFL experience and now at least there’s a guy who’s been around.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2020, 05:14:04 pm
Who's going to take the OC position seeing that Nagy, Pace and Tru will all be gone in 2021??
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 14, 2020, 08:21:41 pm
Lazor, as the worst OC in the NFL, fits perfectly with the worst HC in the NFL.

An absolute dumpster fire.

The worst organization in professional sports.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 15, 2020, 08:06:53 am
Might help???

The Bears held training camp at Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais, Illinois, the past 18 years. They won’t make it 19.

The Bears announced Tuesday they will move training camp to Halas Hall, the team’s training facility in Lake Forest, Illinois, beginning this summer.

Halas Hall underwent a makeover last year, making way for the move.

“We will host training camp practices at Halas Hall in 2020, while maintaining a public component to many of the sessions to incorporate our loyal and passionate fans,” Bears President and CEO Ted Phillips said in a statement. “Olivet Nazarene University continues to be a valued and committed partner, but with the recent investment in our campus expansion and state-of-the-art facilities in Lake Forest, we feel it is important to stay home for training camp. We would like to thank Olivet Nazarene University, including President John Bowling, and the Bourbonnais community for their 18 years of partnership and hospitality.”

Most teams now hold training camp at their regular training facility, so the Bears are following the leader.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on January 15, 2020, 08:59:22 am
Might help if no one shows up to cheer for this mess until they show some signs of improvement
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: guest118 on January 15, 2020, 10:32:47 am
Yep. Not excited about the Lazor guy. Another bad hire. He will be Nagy's fluffer for 1 year and the Nagy will be fired with Pace.

Pace has to make some extraordinary moves in the offseason to keep his job - like Green Bay did in getting 2 new starting safties & the 2 Smith brothers. I do not think Pace is capable of that.

What history will show is we should have kept Fangio and fired Pace.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2020, 10:35:10 am
Definitely kept Fangio.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on January 15, 2020, 11:53:27 am
I think Pagano will be ok once the offense improves. He had some pretty good defenses in Baltimore though I expect Ray Lewis and TSuggs can help most D coordinators look good.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 15, 2020, 11:54:09 am
Fangio is not a GM.  They'd have had to fire Nagy and give Fangio his job.

And no way that the Bears fire Nagy after going 12-4 and losing on a relatively easy field goal attempt in the playoff game.

Pace will have his work cut out this offseason.  Few draft choices and cap issues abound.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 15, 2020, 11:54:43 am
How could the bears have possibly kept Fangio?  He left to be a head coach.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 15, 2020, 02:08:12 pm
Well.  If you ask some they would have fired Nagy and promoted Fangio.

Even though Nagy was the coach of the year last year.  We have GMs on this board that are always one step ahead of everyone and know what needs to be done.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 15, 2020, 02:21:56 pm
The Bengals. The Bears hired somebody from the Bengals.  Did they use a headhunter firm?
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 15, 2020, 02:48:12 pm
The Bengals. The Bears hired somebody from the Bengals.  Did they use a headhunter firm?

Yes.  They found out that the Bengals are another team in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 15, 2020, 03:16:10 pm
You might add "sustained" improvement...
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2020, 05:21:00 pm
Lets see:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/13/chicago-bears-dubbed-potential-landing-spot-for-free-agent-quarterback-teddy-bridgewater/

Possible but likely he returns to NOLA.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 15, 2020, 07:19:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To-iAWElsEg
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 15, 2020, 08:00:28 pm
DeFillipo is the new QB coach.  He was the hottest name a few years ago.
Ragone promoted to passing game coordinator.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2020, 09:07:51 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/1/15/21068012/chicago-bears-john-defilippo-qb-coach-jaguars-eagles-matt-nagy-dave-ragone-ryan-pace-mitch-trubisky

This is interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 16, 2020, 05:22:48 am
I like Defillipo coming on board.....however seems like we got a lot of cooks in the kitchen.  Is Childress still working with the Bears?
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