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Title: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 12, 2019, 08:47:13 am
Let's hope Pace can make the best of what he has to work with...
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 12, 2019, 04:40:21 pm

And that means NOT reaching for a HB in round 3 just cuz everyone thinks that's the Bears' biggest need this spring.

I'd be good if he can get a couple guys out of this draft that make the 53 man roster.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2019, 07:59:57 am
A good  read, but we all know this: No surprise here.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-cb-bears-nfl-draft-positions-ryan-pace-20190415-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 15, 2019, 09:48:45 am

The surprise is that safety isn't on the list.  Our top 3 will all be FAs in 2020.  We know the Bears are expected to sign Jackson, but Bears need another one.

I'd move TE out of the top 5.  Bears in much better shape with Burton and Shaheen.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 15, 2019, 09:57:14 am
Disagree about TE. Burton, can he be trusted and stay healthy? Same with Shaheen? We need one...
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 15, 2019, 10:46:29 am

Jackson missed the playoff game - can HE be trusted?  Burton has missed 2 games in 5 years.

As for Shaheen, he's only been in the league a couple years.  Guys do get injured.  Too early to see if it's a trend with him.    But I'll say this about Shaheen - I never liked the pick.   2nd round was too early based on his background and measurables.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 15, 2019, 08:33:36 pm
Wow watching NFLN 2012 draft top of the first round m

1.  Luck. Good

2. RG3 bust

3. Trent Richardson. Bust

4. Matt Khalil. Bust



5.  Justin Blackmon. Bust

6.Maurice Claiborn. Just ok

7. Mark Barron. bust

8. Ryan Tannehil. bust
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2019, 09:49:28 am
This is the guy I think is the best fit for the Bears.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/11/2019-nfl-draft-gil-brandt-says-bears-are-best-fit-for-rb-miles-sanders/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2019, 10:00:33 am
Looks like a bumper crop of OTs:

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2019-nfl-draft-rankings-offensive-tackle-jawaan-taylor-jonah-williams-dalton-risner/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2019, 10:07:28 am
Here is Draft Wire rankings on RBs:

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2019-nfl-draft-rankings-running-back-josh-jacobs-david-montgomery-damien-harris/
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 16, 2019, 01:46:17 pm
Seems like there are a lot of good backs on that list - not super stars. When you have a guy like Higdon from Michigan and he is ranked 24th - although he didn't catch the ball much.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2019, 07:10:29 am
Draft begins Thursday. Rumors will begin to materialize.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2019, 07:45:08 am
Hill who?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-cb-bears-nfl-draft-matt-nagy-justice-hill-20190422-story.html

Good read
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2019, 08:14:08 am
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/5-players-chicago-bears-should-target-2019-nfl-draft
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2019, 08:37:49 am
Here is "Johnny come lately" with his 2 cents worth

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-nfl-draft-ryan-pace-haugh-20190423-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2019, 09:20:34 am
Interesting read. Some really good players, could be bargains.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/22/2019-nfl-draft-best-case-scenario-chicago-bears-87th-overall-pick/
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 23, 2019, 10:19:30 am
So lets get to the bottom of this. What are our biggest needs? Here's mine:

1. RB - 1 more fast, pass catching RB would make for a great backfield
2. DB - you probably can get a really good corner on the third round
3. OL - always can use more OL
4. TE - After Burton there is a big drop - No idea if Sheehan will stay healthy
5. Edge - can always use another Edge
6. Kicker - not interested in drafting one - but they might (should be at the top)
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 23, 2019, 11:35:49 am

I'd update your #2 need as follows:

2a. CB - you probably can get a really good corner on the third round
2b.   S - Bears are OK this year w/ Ha Ha and Bush as the first safety back up but both those guys are FAs in 2020


Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 23, 2019, 11:37:36 am

And aside from kicker I could see Pace drafting any one of those positions in round 3.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2019, 12:10:04 pm
So Dallas, someone like this?:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/22/2019-nfl-draft-best-case-scenario-chicago-bears-87th-overall-pick/3/

or this might be interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/22/2019-nfl-draft-best-case-scenario-chicago-bears-87th-overall-pick/4/

Played all the secondary positions.





Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 23, 2019, 04:08:56 pm

Most of those guys on bearswire are going to go in the 2nd round...Bears are drafting near the bottom of round 3.

Don't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2019, 09:17:00 am
This looks serious interest

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/19/bears-have-shown-significant-interest-in-florida-atlantic-rb-devin-singletary/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular

Met with him 5 times? Sounds serious to me
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 24, 2019, 11:33:12 am

Not in round 3.  He's not as fast/quick as Jordan Howard and smaller at 5-8 200.  An effective and productive runner but I think he should be there in round 4.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 24, 2019, 03:24:40 pm

In Pace's press conference he talked about the Bears' depth at HB with Davis, Cohen, Nall and Patterson.  No mention of Mizzell (thank you).

I'm not that confident in Mike Davis so I'm like most thinking Pace might go HB in round 3 - maybe 30% probability.  But I know we need a starter at safety next year and I'm not too comfortable with our depth at CB now behind Fuller and Amukamora.  So I'd put safety at 25% and CB at 25%.  That leaves another 20% for possibly O-line, TE, or edge rusher.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 24, 2019, 04:31:20 pm
RB, S, CB, TE, OL ......
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2019, 04:41:38 pm
BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA

Tiebreaker = position of need
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2019, 04:42:10 pm
Depends on what falls to us
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 24, 2019, 05:59:34 pm
I think Mike Davis is a stud and low millage.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 24, 2019, 06:20:34 pm
I think Pace and Nagy think so too

And if they are going to trade picks, I believe they will trade down.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 24, 2019, 06:38:55 pm
BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA

Tiebreaker = position of need

Like usual, Brother Dave nails it.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 24, 2019, 07:05:47 pm
Trade down from 3rd round won't net much I'd guess. Might pick up another pick possibly which wouldn't hurt....
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2019, 07:23:49 pm
I think Mike Davis is a stud and low millage.

Maybe, but he couldn't earn many carries with a weak 49ers backfield nor a relatively weak Seahawks backfield.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 24, 2019, 09:34:13 pm
3rd round interior OL tend to be solid career players, ditto for 4th round safety's and RB's.  Take a flyer on talented player with off field issues in round 6th and 7th.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 08:08:16 am
Lets see where this RB situation leads us:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-cb-bears-running-backs-nfl-draft-20190425-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 08:11:29 am
Despite Pace's denial, I think the quest for another RB is greater than he lets on.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 25, 2019, 08:15:05 am
I'd lean towards OL, S, or CB with our 3 and 4.  Still some decent veteran RBs out there to bring in post draft.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 08:50:52 am
I'd prefer DB @ 87
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 09:25:19 am
That said:

"The Bears have visited with 16 running back prospects, which is tied for the most with the New York Jets. The Kansas City Chiefs (10) and Philadelphia Eagles (9) are behind them."

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/22/2019-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-running-back-meetings/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=recirc&utm_campaign=rail-most-popular

RB sure shapes up as to where they are looking to use @ 87
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 09:38:59 am
Does it make sense for Bears to trade for Robbie Gould?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/24/does-it-make-sense-for-bears-to-trade-for-robbie-gould/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

NO, not really. Rare to deal draft picks for a kicker and we cant afford to give up picks for a 36 year old kicker. That borders on insanity.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 25, 2019, 11:56:26 am

Are we overvaluing the halfbacks in this draft?

Could be a run on running backs early in round 4.  Could Pace trade down the 3 and pick up some more ammo?

A trade down from our #87 to the end of round 3 (there's all those comp picks) could net us an additional midish 4th rounder.

And why is ND's Dexter Williams ranked so low? 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 25, 2019, 12:03:21 pm
I will give the 49ers a 7th rounder for Gould.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 25, 2019, 12:06:28 pm
I would too.  No good K in this draft.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 01:53:16 pm
I will give the 49ers a 7th rounder for Gould.

Maybe our 7th next year but not this year. I havent had my insanity pill yet today.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 02:17:19 pm
Are we overvaluing the halfbacks in this draft?

Who? Not me, but IMHO the Bears obviously are. When you have 5 visits with just one candidate and

"The Bears have visited with 16 running back prospects, which is tied for the most with the New York Jets. The Kansas City Chiefs (10) and Philadelphia Eagles (9) are behind them."
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 25, 2019, 02:19:12 pm

Maybe our 7th next year but not this year. I havent had my insanity pill yet today.

Are you saying you value a 7th rounder over a pro-bowl, #2 all time accurate kicker that has a history of success in Solider Field? 

I can understand the cap hit issue but I'm thinking you need to take that pill.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 02:25:34 pm
Could be a run on running backs early in round 4.

Could be in the 3rd too with GMs knowing the Bears are desperate for a RB. I'll guarantee that every other team knows the Bears want a RB @ 87.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 02:37:56 pm
I can understand the cap hit issue but I'm thinking you need to take that pill.

I dont need any more pills, thanks. I pass. Think about it....what are the 9ers going to do when Gould wont report? Desperation sets in. Maybe they cut him. Its too early for the Bears to worry. This isnt July with camp to

open Monday. Its not panic time yet. We need to play our cards first and let the situation play out.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 25, 2019, 03:38:07 pm

Could be in the 3rd too with GMs knowing the Bears are desperate for a RB. I'll guarantee that every other team knows the Bears want a RB @ 87.

Remember in 2017 when no one (but me) thought Pace coveted Trubisky.  He had spent a bunch of cash on the FA signing of Glennon but was secretly meeting with Trubisky.  Now it's all over the internet that the Bears are interviewing halfbacks...so that means Pace is looking at another position.

I dont need any more pills, thanks. I pass. Think about it....what are the 9ers going to do when Gould wont report? Desperation sets in. Maybe they cut him. Its too early for the Bears to worry. This isnt July with camp to

open Monday. Its not panic time yet. We need to play our cards first and let the situation play out.


The 49ers don't have to cut him - they can just sit there and let Gould sit out the entire season.  But I see your point, if that happens, the price for Gould could go down to something like a 6th or 7th in 2020.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 25, 2019, 04:15:42 pm
Listening to Hub Arkush yesterday he mentioned Pace could do something totally unexpected like draft an interior linebacker to replace Trevathan next year.

Pace has to consider replacing any older players who are free agents next year who they don't want to overpay to keep.

There certainly have been a lot of successful UDFA running backs in recent years.

Bryce Love of Stanford may be the best college back last year but he tore his ACL December.  Will he be drafted? 

What if Montez Sweat is still when the Bears pick due to his heart condition.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 25, 2019, 04:41:51 pm
Listening to Hub Arkush yesterday he mentioned Pace could do something totally unexpected like draft an interior linebacker to replace Trevathan next year.

DrafTek has the Bears taking Jahlani Tavai in the 4th round.  ILB from Hawaii.


There certainly have been a lot of successful UDFA running backs in recent years.


The Lindsey kid from the Broncos comes to mind - nice piece on him on NFLN (still lives in the basement of his parents house).

Bryce Love of Stanford may be the best college back last year but he tore his ACL December.  Will he be drafted? 


yes

What if Montez Sweat is still when the Bears pick due to his heart condition.

He won't be there in round 3.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 25, 2019, 04:57:04 pm
Dallas

I was thinking of how Jalen Smith lasted to the fourth round.

I haven't heard any pundits mention Bryce Love at all.  Wonder where he is on actual teams draft boards.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2019, 05:22:53 pm
Remember in 2017 when no one (but me) thought Pace coveted Trubisky.  He had spent a bunch of cash on the FA signing of Glennon but was secretly meeting with Trubisky.  Now it's all over the internet that the Bears are interviewing halfbacks...so that means Pace is looking at another position.

Yeah I remember, Do you remember us getting conned into giving the 49ers too much to move down one spot? Now you and I may not see that the same but that still sticks in my eye and I am not going to be happy with another giveaway to those 49ers. And afterwards they drafted the same player at #3 that they would have at #2. Of course they want another giveaway from us. Easy ones always give.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 26, 2019, 01:19:13 am

And I remember that smug bast*rd Lynch thinking he got such a steal.  And on Thursday there were rumors that the guy they took Soloman Thomas is on the trading block.

I'm not sure why?  He played in 16 games last year and had a sack.  Yeah, one.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 26, 2019, 05:16:12 am
We drafted Iggy last year and I thought his position was ILB as well? 

Pace crushed Lynch in hindsight on that trade.  At the time, the "experts" all felt he got fleeced by Lynch.  I've already stated my position on that trade repeatedly so I won't beat a dead horse.  The results of that trade are how it should be evaluated at this point, and we now have a young QB trending up.  The 49ers have?...  zip
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 09:28:26 am
The bottom line is I am not in favor of givng that sleazy Lynch zippo for Gould. Nada, not a damn thing.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 10:44:32 am
Here is the latest on the Gould front:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/nfl-draft-2019-bears-ryan-pace-slow-draft-reward/
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 26, 2019, 01:13:12 pm
What is the pick boys?

I still say RB.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on April 26, 2019, 02:00:45 pm
DB
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 26, 2019, 02:15:43 pm
Is round three tonight?
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 26, 2019, 02:17:35 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 26, 2019, 02:23:20 pm
RB, S, CB, TE would be ok with any of those, even a top OL or DE.......
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 02:44:39 pm
If we are talking about what Pace picks at 87 then its RB. Not that I want to throw gasoline on somebodies fire but if that RB they covet is gone I really would rather have a DB. I wont be unhappy either way.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2019, 03:16:02 pm
BPA
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 26, 2019, 04:26:29 pm
Put me down for whoever can make a solid contribution, sooner than later.  Although my hopes are still high for Henderson the RB from Memphis. 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 05:11:12 pm
By 87 he might be the best RB left. Cant wait till we are finished with round 2
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 26, 2019, 05:39:16 pm
Hmmmmm..... RB Justice Hill sure has something.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2019, 08:59:09 pm
Rams trade up to take Henderson at 70.

They are obviously concerned about Gurleyís future health.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2019, 08:59:53 pm
Bears trade up to 73. Pick coming up...
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 09:00:54 pm
Bears trade up after Henderson gone
Title: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2019, 09:01:26 pm
Bears get 3 and 6 from NE, give 3, 5, and next yearís 4
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2019, 09:02:22 pm
And the pick is...David Montgomery from Iowa State
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 26, 2019, 09:08:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiBfP1aBu4
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 09:08:55 pm
So that leaves our 4th and 2 7ths
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 26, 2019, 09:13:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtF63MBYcCk
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 26, 2019, 09:38:03 pm
So that leaves our 4th and 2 7ths

4th (4.24), 6th (6.33), and two 7ths (7.08, 7.24).
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 09:44:12 pm
He's 220 lbs, he has some beef
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 09:45:56 pm
That is all for tonight fans
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 26, 2019, 10:16:23 pm
He is 220 lbs?  He doesnt look that big, but Logic would be happy.  And whoever took Henderson right before, screw them.  lol
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2019, 10:32:57 pm
Yeah when I saw Henderson go right before us I said now starts the RB run.

Right after us, Singletary went. Apparently Montgomery was who we wanted.

It was only early 70's and here we were at 87.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Chris27 on April 27, 2019, 01:14:53 am
Always good to trade resources to move up for mediocrity.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on April 27, 2019, 02:04:24 am
Speed, power, balance, what is there not to like about him?

Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 27, 2019, 06:04:41 am
He does not have the top gear, most of the highlights I just watched show him getting tracked down.  Reminds me of the lack of top end speed that Payton also didn't possess.  But you can't deny his shiftiness, his tackle breaking ability, his balance, his vision in making those cuts in tight spaces.

We will see what we have.  I trust Pace.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 27, 2019, 06:06:45 am
This guy looks nothing like Howard.  Nagy's hands are all over this pick.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: joki13 on April 27, 2019, 07:47:45 am
 Looks like the only thing Montgomery lacks is top flight speed,but,is a much more solid pick than Cedric Benson was in the top of the 1st. What anyone ever saw in him is beyond me. The only reason he had so many yards was because Texas ran him a thousand times.After watching his highlite reel I didn't see many runs of over 20 yards. My take away of him was 5 yards and a cloud of dust which was caused by him making contact with the ground. Montgomery will be a nice complement to Cohen.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 27, 2019, 08:12:07 am
The reason I wanted Henderson was that top end speed.  Montgomery doesnt show that he has that.  He kind of reminds me a little of Jordan Howard with a little more shiftyness.  Lets just hope he can catch passes better. 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 27, 2019, 08:15:09 am


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Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 09:08:32 am
The reason I wanted Henderson was that top end speed.  Montgomery doesnt show that he has that.  He kind of reminds me a little of Jordan Howard with a little more shiftyness.  Lets just hope he can catch passes better.

I agree. Howard went down easy whereas Montgomery seems to be able to break tackles.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 09:14:50 am
And I was wrong last night. I said we have our 4th today and 2 7th rounders left today. We also got NE's tail ender in the 6th which we didnt have a 6th this year. However it seems we are targeting Siebert the OK kicker and it appears we might have to move up in the 6th for that to happen. Sorry Robbie.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2019, 09:22:49 am
Where did you hear we are targeting Seibert?
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 10:18:48 am
Something out of the Suntimes or Trib. Dont remember where. The point is that maybe the writer felt it was possible somebody might take him above the last pick in the 6th
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 10:35:32 am
Dont see it anymore.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2019, 10:48:08 am
The reason I wanted Henderson was that top end speed.  Montgomery doesnt show that he has that.  He kind of reminds me a little of Jordan Howard with a little more shiftyness.  Lets just hope he can catch passes better.

I agree. Howard went down easy whereas Montgomery seems to be able to break tackles.

The scouting reports say lack of speed is Henderson's weakness.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 27, 2019, 11:04:55 am
If you watch the highlights of Henderson all he does is outrun people and have huge gainers.  His avg ypc is crazy high because of this.  Oh well, he isnt our problem anyways.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 27, 2019, 11:18:54 am
Montgomery's scouting profile reads like a slower Forte.  Montgomery should be a 3 down back when he is in there, that should help Nagy disguise what he wants to do.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 12:16:21 pm
4-126 is Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 12:18:40 pm
Theyíre saying Ridley is the best route runner in this class, much like Miller was the best last year.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 12:20:00 pm
Hendersonís only flaw is durability. Speed is not an issue.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 12:22:46 pm
And, speaking of Memphis RBs...Tony Pollard just went to Dallas.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 12:22:59 pm
Good pick. Not exactly a need. Two needs not adressed, CB/S and OG. Those positions down to nitty and gritty.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 12:23:56 pm
Isaiah Johnson, CB from Houston, goes to the Raiders at 129.

I thought he might be the Bears pick.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 27, 2019, 12:27:44 pm
I've watched a bunch of tape on montgomery - he has the FOOTBALL speed to get outside.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 12:31:56 pm
Pickings are getting scarse
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 27, 2019, 12:43:57 pm
Did I hear correctly our new WR ran a 4:58?  Kind of slow I think. 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davep on April 27, 2019, 02:28:21 pm
That speed isn't bad if he is is good at running patterns and has good hands.  He can easily get open on short to medium passes and should be dangerous on long passes as long as he isn't double teamed constantly.  It requires a faster receiver on the other side of the field, to draw the double team over to the other side.

The Bears seem to be following the time honored method of building an offense. 

First, establish an offensive line that can protect your quarterback.
Second, procure a franchise quarterback.
Third, bring in a speed receiver, a pattern receiver that can get open, and a slot receiver that can do some of both.  (Speed receiver, in my opinion, is yet to be verified).
Fourth, replace the above pieces as they get injured.

The tight end position can be brought in at any time, depending upon whether the immediate need is blocking to help the line of receiving to help the pattern receiver.

The fact that the Bears seem to be paying substantial attention to the receiving corps indicates, to me, that they are happy with Trubisky as their franchise quarterback.  I hope they are right.

Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 03:35:39 pm
6th rounder is Duke Shelley, a 5í8Ē CB out of Kansas State
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 27, 2019, 03:40:35 pm
Ran a 4.46 40 at his pro day, boosting his stock

PFF said he was the best coverage CB in the Big 12 in 2018.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2019, 03:41:23 pm
Kelly

    PROS: Smooth change of direction allows him to match receivers vertically. Stays square to the line of scrimmage and with proper leverage until necessary. Stick man coverage skills vertically. Proper technique. Reacts well in zone coverage, and has the ball skills to compete at the catchpoint and be physical playing the pocket. Gets around around quickly. Click and close ability. Active in run support, plays downhill with some decent physicality. Lowers his shoulder and does a good job maintaining the edge.

    CONS:  Undersized. Can occasionally get himself off balance while trying to keep active feet near the line of scrimmage. Does a poor job of wrapping ball carriers despite solid effort, can miss tackles in space. Though he is swift footed, can get himself beat inside with slower reaction to subtle moves by the receiver. Played primarily on one side of the field.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 04:56:27 pm
Another small school CB with their last pick in the draft
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2019, 05:35:03 pm
And RB Whyte the fastest RB at the combine.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 05:43:10 pm
Well the draft is over. Time to start calling UDFAs
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 27, 2019, 05:57:15 pm
For those who want UDFAs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f7NWOmy3HqGTqHazIBG9hDTXGMWk0bhVbfIurgBHO88/edit#gid=0) unofficially.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2019, 06:10:39 pm
They've already signed a couple .
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 27, 2019, 07:04:06 pm
Looks like Alex Bars from ND will sign as an udfa.  He was a decent prospect before getting hurt early last year.  Definitely has starter potential if he recovers back to 100%.

I like that the 2 7th rounders are both burners, could contribute on special teams while they refine their skills.  Denmark is a physical specimen.  Maybe Pagano can turn him into something.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on April 27, 2019, 07:18:30 pm
RB's usually help out on special teams early.  Our ST's just got a lot younger and faster.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 07:37:21 pm
We need help at TE, maybe at S. Big question is K. Two got drafted and we didnt draft any. The one remaing who was touted was the kid from LSU.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 27, 2019, 08:08:39 pm
WR Emanuel Hall from Missouri is another guy to watch.  6-2 and ran a 4.39 40.  Dropped due to injury fears.  Like Bars, could be a guy they stash on the IR for a year.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2019, 08:29:08 pm
Looks like Pace was smart to move up for Montgomery.  Long story.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-david-montgomery-kareem-hunt-biggs-20190427-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2019, 08:51:27 pm
WR Emanuel Hall from Missouri is another guy to watch.  6-2 and ran a 4.39 40.  Dropped due to injury fears.  Like Bars, could be a guy they stash on the IR for a year.

Greg Gabriel on the SCORE said Hall fell because "he wouldn't play unless everything lined up right"
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 27, 2019, 09:11:45 pm
This guy looks as if he will be upgrade to the return game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93OZh22XUA
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 27, 2019, 09:15:13 pm
For what it's worth, a Missouri fan from a bears site I frequent had this to say about hall:
"Mizzou alum here
Emanuel Hall is bad man. He is a much more advanced WR prospect than JíMon Moore, whom the Pack drafted in R4 last season. I have no idea how he went undrafted. SIís Conor Orr did a half-respectable Day 2 mock draft (he had Montgomery to the Bears at 87 and Lock to the Broncos at 41), and he had Hall going at 91 to the Chargers. Like, WTF?

If the rumors about scouts questioning his toughness because of his injury are true, Iím here to tell you that that is a big steaming pile of HOT GARBAGE. Hall popped a groin early in the W3 game against Purdue. Purdue was coming off two disappointing, low-scoring losses to start the season and changed QBs. That kid went on to light the world on fire, and Purdueís offense flipped 180 degrees, leading to wins against No. 23 Boston College, No. 19 Iowa and a drubbing of No. 2 OSU.

But when Hall left with his injury, we were dominating the game (up 17) against a team that had lost to Eastern Michigan the week before. So coaches held him out and figured we could win without him. But Purdue came roaring back to threaten the game, tying it up at 37 on a 26-yard FG with 3 minutes left. After missing the previous 2+ quarters, Hall came back in on the final drive and caught a HUGE 25-yard pass that put us in range for the winning FG as time expired.

Our W4 game was home against Georgia. As any fan of any SEC East team not named Georgia will tell you, this game is basically the entire season. With a R1/R2 QB and several other NFL prospects on the roster, we felt we had a chance to win the division, but this game was a must. Hall was a shell of himself, but HE STILL SUITED UP AND PLAYED THE ENTIRE GAME because this was the teamís entire season. Our coach basically used him as a decoy the entire game to occupy future 1R draftee CB Deandre Baker, knowing Hall was playing at about 40 percent. Hall went catchless in the game and we lost by two TDs. But we were in the game and scored 29 points against a damn good defense without our No. 1 WR. It was a noble effort.

Hall missed the next four games with the sports hernia injury (three losses), before finally returning and helping us to four straight conference wins to finish the season and a spot in the Liberty Bowl. This is a speedy, athletic physical specimen with a knack for high-pointing the ball and soft hands. He had a few drops on long balls from Drew during his career, but it wasnít a persistent issue and he often made up for it with highlight-reel catches later in the game. To me, heís in direct competition with Marvin Hall for a spot on the 53. This was, by far, the best player left on the board at any position, and Pace scooped him up moments after the draft ended. Incredible value for a UDFA signing and Iím looking forward to him catching balls from Chase in the preseason."

Even if he's a turd, the upside at udfa price is a great ****.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 27, 2019, 09:17:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLfYDPFCigE

This guy does not have the measurable....but I see a football player.  I think Pace knows talent.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 27, 2019, 09:48:40 pm
Plus, his name is "Duke".
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 28, 2019, 06:49:35 am
So what are the Cons on Whyte?  He looks like he has some wiggle to go with the jets....could be very exciting. 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2019, 01:32:48 pm
Looks like Pace notched good draft grades.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/27/grading-the-chicago-bears-2019-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 28, 2019, 01:53:24 pm
The more I read about Montgomery the more I like.  And Shelley looks like a Bryce Callahan replacement.  Who was the 5'8" guy who played CB for a number of years, with Peanut I think???  Maybe this kid will be that good too.  Still scratching my head on the Ridley pick.  If he was hands down the BPA I guess ok, but it seems that there must have been someone else we could have used more there....
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 28, 2019, 03:19:19 pm
The more I read about Montgomery the more I like.  And Shelley looks like a Bryce Callahan replacement.  Who was the 5'8" guy who played CB for a number of years, with Peanut I think???  Maybe this kid will be that good too.  Still scratching my head on the Ridley pick.  If he was hands down the BPA I guess ok, but it seems that there must have been someone else we could have used more there....

Tim Jennings.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2019, 05:15:07 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/matt-nagys-wheels-already-turning-with-addition-of-david-montgomery/

Nice
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2019, 05:35:23 pm
good read:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/mark-potash-analyzing-the-bears-2019-draft-class/
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 28, 2019, 06:27:31 pm
How does Emanual Hall not get drafted. 6' 3" and 22 and 24 yards per catch the last 2 years.

He was injured a little bit.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davep on April 28, 2019, 07:23:09 pm
Hall says he has signed with the Chicago Bears.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 28, 2019, 08:29:30 pm
Greg Gabriel said Hall's reputation is "he didn't play unless everything is just right"
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 28, 2019, 09:32:59 pm
Casey Bednarski (https://twitter.com/CaseyBednarski?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) sounds like a Chicago kicker at least.

WR competition is going to be fierce between Wims, the 2 Halls, and Ridley.

Just think this was the WRs only 2 years ago...

Kendall Wright
Kevin White
Deonte Thompson
Tre McBride
Dontrelle Inman
Tanner Gentry
Josh Bellamy

Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2019, 08:59:02 am


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The Bears now have 4 RB/WRs with a shot to make the roster who run a sub-4.40 40: Taylor Gabriel, Marvin Hall, Emanuel Hall, and Kerrith Whyte.

Two more - Tarik Cohen and Cordarrelle Patterson - ran a 4.42 at the Combine.

Do you think they've prioritized adding speed?
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 09:41:17 am
Speed kills, so yeah I believe they prioritized it in the draft and UDFA. Now they have to coach that talent up on the field.















Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 29, 2019, 09:45:53 am
I've always contended that the Bears over the years lacked game breaking speedsters on offense and defense. 

I was out of town this weekend and haven't read much about the draftees, but the first 2 picks tell me that Pace wants to open up the offense and is not so concerned about the depth on defense (as in prioritizing drafting next year's safety to replace Ha Ha or gettng a backup CB for Fuller and Amukamora).   With all the fanfare of Trubisky and Nagy's offense they still were ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league. 

I can't believe Ridley was there in the 4th.  Crazy.   I know he had a disappointing 4.58 40 time but then again Ju Ju Schuster ran a 4.54 and got drafted at the very end of round 2.  The two have some similarities.

As for Montgomery many have already pointed out similarities with Kareem Hunt.  Both ran around a 4.63 40 at the combine, but dropped it into the 4.5s at their pro-day (Montgomery ran a 4.57).  Not Jamaal Charles but fast enough.

And speaking of running backs with speed.  Bears drafted FAU's Kerrith Whyte.  He's faster than Bears speedsters Taylor Gabriel and Tarik Cohen.   Not sure he will get many touches as a HB, but he might give Patterson a run for his money returning kicks.

My big surprise out of the draft - no lineman - offensive or defensive. 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 09:58:40 am
They did get OL and DL as UDFAs, in fact 2 of our OLine coach's players at ND and they did get some CB and S in the draft and UDFA. Its now up to coaching.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 10:40:54 am
One thing I was always amazed about the Pack was their seeming ability to plug in WRs from seemingly from nowhere. Looks like we are heading that way too
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 29, 2019, 10:43:32 am
They got a fast but smallish potential nickel back and a total project at safety who has outstanding measurables.  Shelley has a chance since his stock dropped due to an injury his senior year but its tough to expect much from 7th rounders and the UDFAs.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 10:51:28 am
Coaching.....its all about coaching now. How many times have we seen it with the Bears that we draft players with measurables high and they fizzle and flop. How about the guy they drafted who could jump out of pools.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 10:54:48 am
I think we are getting more intelligent on how we draft and what we draft
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 29, 2019, 11:06:37 am

Pace is an improvement over Angelo, but Pace's 4 drafts have produced not quite half of the starters on offense and defense.  He's done a better job at signing FAs.

Finding starters via the draft and UDFAs is tougher than you think.

Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 29, 2019, 11:38:00 am
Right just look at Belicheks drafts.  He accumulates picks because he has no strong opinion on anybody.

One year he had 17 picks and 3 years later none of them were on the roster.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 12:21:20 pm
And how about the Mack trade? Pace saw the need and the record took a massive jump. Pace has done a fantastic job improving the team.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 29, 2019, 12:44:12 pm
https://670thescore.radio.com/bears-undrafted-free-agent-signings-earn-roster-spot

Interesting analysis of Bear UDFA.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 03:30:32 pm
We are already one WR short from last year, White, who moved on to greener pastures. There is one roster spot immediately. Ridley? Could very well be. However, some of these players can play on special teams till they develop.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 29, 2019, 04:01:06 pm

We actually lost 2 receivers: White and Bellamy.

Bears added veteran FAs:  Cordarrelle Patterson and Marvin Hall.   Drafted Riley.  And recently undrafted rookie FAs:  The speedster Emanuel Hall and Thomas Ives

Riley should be a lock along with Gabriel, Robinson and Miller.  So that leaves maybe 2 spots that Wims may have a bunch of competition for if the Bears keep 6 wideouts.  Maybe 7 if Patterson wins the kick returner job (over rookie Whyte) and the Bears keep only 3 halfbacks.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2019, 06:03:07 pm
My point is there is an opening, that the roster isnt set and just because we drafted one WR doesnt mean we dont have an opening. Are the Bears satisfied with their receiving corp? Apparently not. It needs to be improved.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 29, 2019, 07:57:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks4G1bWnSoU

UDFA.  I really am starting to drink the cool aid.  Our scouts and GM are vastly improved over anything I can remember.  I would not be surprised if this kid makes the team.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 30, 2019, 06:34:04 am
We actually lost 2 receivers: White and Bellamy.

Bears added veteran FAs:  Cordarrelle Patterson and Marvin Hall.   Drafted Riley.  And recently undrafted rookie FAs:  The speedster Emanuel Hall and Thomas Ives

Riley should be a lock along with Gabriel, Robinson and Miller.  So that leaves maybe 2 spots that Wims may have a bunch of competition for if the Bears keep 6 wideouts.  Maybe 7 if Patterson wins the kick returner job (over rookie Whyte) and the Bears keep only 3 halfbacks.


I watch a lot of SEC football.  Two years ago, Wims was the stud of the Georgia wide receivers with Riley on that squad.  Why he slipped to 7th round, I don't know, but I wouldn't undersell him.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 30, 2019, 06:58:38 am
That Picket video looks great.  I wonder why he went undrafted??
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 30, 2019, 08:10:09 am
Keep in mind that all teams have the same limited amount of money to allocate to UDFAs.  The Bears success, Matt Nagy, Club Dub, the brand spankin new Halas Hall, all of that makes a big impression on kids nowadays which helps to compete for these players.  Add to that a much improved scouting staff under Pace and you have the increased possibility of finding the next Callahan, RRH, or Meredith in this group.  Looking at some of the salaries, the highest paid include Gabe's guy Dax Raymond and Alex Bars.  I am thinking those guys (Bars health pending) have as good a chance as any to make the 53.

Ridley was not only a pure BPA along with Hall as a great pick up, but also a look ahead into the future.  The WRs will shuffle the next couple years as the big contracts (Jax, Whitehair, Trubs) come due.  Guys like Gabriel, Burton, Long, Prince, etc. will probably be cap cuts next year.  And as much as we love ARob, I don't think he will be a Bear beyond the original 3 year contract and could be a surprise cut next year.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 30, 2019, 10:04:44 am

Bears haven't had this problem in recent memory where they have quite a few veteran (some near or actual pro-bowl) quality players.  You have to have a good number of players on their first contracts to balance it all out.  Every year every player, especially those with big contracts, are evaluated.  In fact, it's not an annual thing more like a weekly thing.

I did not know that each team is allocated the same amount for UDFAs, unless you are talking about signing bonuses.  But eventually once a team signs an UDFA his salary probably would not count against the cap as only the top 50 (or some number less than 53) count against the cap and if they do they'll be at the bottom.

As for the cap cuts you identified for next year, I'd agree with Prince, maybe Long, Gabriel is iffy and Burton unlikely.  It all depends on the productivity of the player and the potential productivity of the player that replaces him.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 30, 2019, 10:13:33 am

I watch a lot of SEC football.  Two years ago, Wims was the stud of the Georgia wide receivers with Riley on that squad.  Why he slipped to 7th round, I don't know, but I wouldn't undersell him.

Not underselling him, but I would not say he is the same category of Arob, Gabriel, and Miller (all starters).   Unless Ridley is a total flop I doubt that he's going to get cut.  So that leaves 2 roster spots remaining.  Wims should have an advantage over the veteran and rookie FAs in making the team. 
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 30, 2019, 12:15:51 pm
Draft experts are gushing over Ridley - saying on other teams he would have had more catches and more impressive stats - Georgia gives everyone a chance on O.

They're also saying Montgomery is much more of an NFL back because he is great a running outside. As I said before the college hash marks limited Montgomery.

Lots of interesting pieces added. Great draft considering no 1,2
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davep on April 30, 2019, 12:57:52 pm
Why do the hash marks make such a big difference to running backs?
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on April 30, 2019, 04:46:09 pm
The hash markers are much closer to the sidelines in college football. They place the ball on the hashmarks and it's much harder for the back to run around end on one side of the field.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: davep on April 30, 2019, 06:51:25 pm
Thanks.  It seems reasonable.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 30, 2019, 07:07:36 pm

Yeah, its harder on the short side but much easier on the wide side.  Does it balance out?   Same would be true with passing.  But I'd think some QBs without strong arms would be limited in throwing outs to the wide side of the field.

Can't say that I ever really thought about the differences except in the kicking game.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on May 01, 2019, 02:19:54 pm
Maybe. I heard Nagy saying Montgomery would be better in the NFL because of the Hash marks. Made sense to me - BUT there is a wider side then. The NFL is more evened out. Maybe colleges stack the D a little bit on the wide side.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on May 01, 2019, 02:40:39 pm

For a guy drafted in the 3rd round the Fantasy folks have already assigned Montgomery the #2 fantasy value among all rookies.

You got to figure Kyler Murray is #1.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on May 10, 2019, 01:35:25 pm
I found this interesting.

https://sportsmockery.com/2019/05/how-ryan-pace-may-have-suckered-the-buffalo-bills-in-nfl-draft/?fbclid=IwAR1jfBO8Hz20D8lG1VkL6ALlTwR3v6kG8pt1SgrDPeFQyIboACGxah-k0qY
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on July 26, 2019, 07:01:25 pm
I heard that story before.
Title: Re: 2019 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on October 29, 2019, 11:17:26 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2020-nfl-first-round-mock-draft/ss-AAJuggM?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=HPDHP#image=1