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Title: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on December 28, 2019, 05:12:31 pm
We need help...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on December 28, 2019, 07:38:57 pm
Until Nagy is gone, the draft is irrelevant.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on December 29, 2019, 06:46:39 pm
Raiders go for 2 to win at Denver, but fail...they’ll finish 7-9.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2019, 09:31:16 am
I found this interesting, especially since even the NFL playoffs havent even started. Well take it for what its worth:

https://sports.yahoo.com/jalen-hurts-poor-performance-against-033831445.html

Hurts, who entered Saturday's game with an outside chance to sneak into the end of the first round, will all but certainly be available for the Bears' in the second round barring an unbelievable performance at the Scouting Combine or his Pro Day.

The question general manager Ryan Pace must now figure out is whether Hurts' failure in the College Football Playoff was impactful enough to remove him from the Bears' draft plans in April.


Amazing! And dont take this mean I am advocating him to do this. Its just when talent unexpectedly drops, people tend to jump on that. Dallas or the Pats are known for that. Personally, unless

Hurts breaks a leg before the draft I dont see him getting out of the 1st round. Who knows, I just dont expect miracles.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on December 30, 2019, 02:16:59 pm
So which tackles will be available to us? We need at least one.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on December 30, 2019, 02:34:45 pm
Trent Williams...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2019, 03:18:36 pm
I read this somewhere else.  If Nagy won't change his system to better suit Trubisky's skill set, Hurts is more or less the same guy.  Why would he adjust his system to fit Hurts?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 06, 2020, 01:25:32 pm

Bears don't have a whole lot of draft ammo.  They have the two second rounders (#43 and #50) and possibly a 4th round comp pick and various 5th, 6th and 7th rounders.

Pace has talked about trading down. 

One would assume offensive line has to be addressed but Pace recently signed 3 of those guys to new deals that could affect the cap.  I thought Daniels struggled his sophomore season but he had the best PFF ranking of the group.  Not sure why Nagy played Ted Larsen against the Vikes when it was a perfect opportunity to give Bars a start. 

TE has to be on the shopping list.  A legit receiving TE with speed and size - not a converted WR or basketball player either.  If Burton comes back 100% - great, we can still use him.  Bears medical screwed up determining the extent of his injury.

What is Gabriel's status?  Wyms did not take advantage of extended playing time.  Miller showed flashes but disappeared in many games.  Could use another speed guy.

Defense - did well in points given up but turnovers we're way down which hurt our offense which depended on them to give them shorter fields in 2018.  Quite a few question marks at CB, safety and ILB, plus need more depth in the d-line. 

Floyd had no injury excuses for lack of sacks - though he was solid in all other areas.  Can Bears afford to pay  him - can Bears afford not to?   Edge guys, aside from QB, are the most difficult to find.

Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 23, 2020, 07:21:29 pm
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Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2020, 09:19:58 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/22/2020-senior-bowl-seven-prospects-chicago-bears-should-watch-on-defense/

Senior Bowl is tomorrow.

Date: Saturday, Jan. 25 | Time: 2:30 p.m. ET
Location: Ladd-Peebles Stadium (Mobile, Alabama)
TV: NFL Network  | Stream: NFL.com/watch
Follow: CBS Sports App
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on January 25, 2020, 04:40:32 pm
if TE Cole Kmet is available the Bears have to take him, but I've read New England sees him as the next Gronk & will take him in the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2020, 06:50:50 pm
I dont know about you but having a lot of ND football I wasnt impressed with Kmet
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on January 26, 2020, 12:18:26 am
Kmet didn't play in the first part of the season - broken collarbone I think. When he recovered the ND offense surged. This was noteworthy as ND has a stable of good TEs.

He's the complete deal, catching & blocking. I doubt he'll be available when the Bears draft.

I'd also like to see the ND wr & return man Fink signed as a non-drafted FA if he isn't drafted. He played hurt the 1st half of the season so his #s aren't great, but he's the kind of player I'd want on my team.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on January 26, 2020, 12:47:18 am
wasn't impressed with Jalen Hurts in senior bowl. Was impressed with a kicker named Tyler Bass.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 26, 2020, 09:10:11 am
Bass has a leg, for sure!

I like Antonio Gibson, although that may be Memphis bias...he’s electric.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on January 26, 2020, 09:23:02 pm

I'll be waiting to see the 40 time on this Cole Kmet.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 27, 2020, 07:51:11 am
I am sure the Bears will too. Maybe he is a diamond in the rough. I have been wrong before. "We shall see said the blind man."
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: guest118 on January 27, 2020, 11:51:17 am
I don't believe kicker is our problem. Pinero has a strong leg, gained great experience this year, I beleive he led the NFL in touchbacks, made 82.1% of his field goals which is OK for a rookie. His long was 53 yards.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davep on January 27, 2020, 06:15:42 pm
Kicker is the least of the Bear's problems.  It never hurts to bring in a free agent as competition in case you can find a diamond in the rough, but draft choices and cap space are much too valuable to waste on a kicker at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2020, 11:30:28 am
I agree with this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/27/three-senior-bowl-quarterbacks-chicago-bears-should-avoid-drafting-2020/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 29, 2020, 12:55:37 pm
LOL, without looking, I'm going to guess...

1) Shea Patterson
2) Jalen Hurts
3) Steven Montez

That site is written at an 8th grade level.

Not drafting any of those 3 is clear to everyone who evaluates college QBs.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2020, 01:09:54 pm
Well they didnt look so hot in what I saw of the Senior Bowl. Hurts performance was not up to what I had seen out of him at Oklahoma. He either was under-performing or he was out of shape. The other schmos I hadnt heard of. I expected more out of Hurts.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 29, 2020, 03:21:08 pm
You haven't heard of Shea Patterson?

He should have never left Ole Miss...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2020, 03:33:03 pm
Nope, never matriculated to my TV
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 29, 2020, 05:00:11 pm
So you didn't watch Notre Dame/Michigan the past 2 seasons?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on January 29, 2020, 05:24:53 pm
Dave what do you think of Jake Fromm?

He seems to have the qualities Tru lacks.

My guess is his floor is better than Tru but his ceiling is not a franchise QB.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 29, 2020, 05:33:33 pm
That sounds about right. I like him better than a lot of the “experts”, but we have bigger needs and better uses for our 2 2nd rounders, and Fromm will be gone before the end of the 4th.

Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2020, 10:56:45 pm
So you didn't watch Notre Dame/Michigan the past 2 seasons?

I wasnt impressed enough with him THEN to even tie him to ND/Mich.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2020, 10:06:17 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/04/chicago-bears-2020-mock-nfl-draft-matt-miller-seven-rounds/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Interesting read.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 05, 2020, 11:25:22 am

I'm OK with the first 2 picks.  I like getting an OT in round 2.  Let him compete with Bars for the RG spot, then next year he can slide over to Massie's position as the cap hit lessens in 2021 with a release of #70.

I don't like the WR pick in round 4.  We already have 2 possession receivers Wyms and Ridley who have been largely ignored in Nagy's offense. 

We'll need a corner to compete with the Canada guy (Roberson) and Tolliver, but we have a bigger need at safety.

Of course, free agency might affect these choices.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 05, 2020, 02:11:09 pm
Montez and Throckmorton are garbage.

I wouldn’t take either of them in the 12th round.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on February 05, 2020, 04:23:50 pm
I would not draft Montez.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2020, 05:50:53 pm
I dont like those two either. I didnt post that link because I liked it. I posted it because Miller made it and someone might be interested enough to read it.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 06, 2020, 05:06:03 am
Wshfl - No to Montez...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2020, 07:15:46 am
No argument here
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2020, 01:03:06 pm
Very interesting read. Seems the Bears are an open book.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/2/4/21122677/nfl-mock-draft-2020-bears-picks-brycen-hopkins-cole-kmet

This cought my eye bigtime

SB Nation

No. 43: TE Cole Kmet, Notre Dame
No. 50: QB Jake Fromm, Georgia

especially Fromm
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on February 08, 2020, 01:22:56 pm
As a ND fan I've seen every game Kmet has played in.  He doesn't block well enough for Shaheens role and he's not a good enough receiver for the Burton role.  I think he eventually evolves into a pretty good in line tight end, but it's going to take a couple of years.  The Bears need an immediate contributor from both of those 2s.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2020, 08:40:50 pm
Ive seen Kmet but havent seen the Purdue TE. To be quite honest, I didnt post that to say I was totally in favor of that, just that somebody realized the Bears need a pretty good QB as well as a TE.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2020, 08:44:18 pm
I hope the combine answers some of the TE questions.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 09, 2020, 05:13:01 am
I would be surprised if we draft a QB at 2.  At 4 or later, yes.  This will be Trubisky's make or break year.  If the offense sputters again, there will be chatter to draft with a 1 next year.  The offense was so bad n every level, that laying this on any one factor is not a true assessment.  We need much better offensive line play, a tight end or two, a speed receiver, and better play calling.  Everything was broken.

I'd advocate tight end, offensive line, edge rusher, and defensive backfield help with our top two choices.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2020, 04:31:10 pm
This is why I posted that to show that the cat is out of the bag. This is likely a consensus of what League GM's believe that the Bears are thinking or doing. But its obvious to the League that the Bears have QB problems. Daniel and 3rd stringer are FAs. Usually such a team has a backup starter and likely will bring in a QB from the draft. And with 1st stringer with one foot in the grave the importance of a higher drafted QB tends to be more apparent to League officials, not necessarily what the Bears will do.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 14, 2020, 10:22:45 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/11/chicago-bears-five-positional-groups-to-monitor-at-2020-nfl-scouting-combine/

Duh! But the combine is closer than you think. Is it next week?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 18, 2020, 09:27:26 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/17/5-qb-prospects-bears-should-watch-at-nfl-scouting-combine/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

None of these guys would I invest in a 2nd round pick except Fromm, still they are worth scouting at the combine. I hope we invest the 4th round compensation pick we get on a QB. We have too many

other needs that need to be addressed.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 21, 2020, 10:54:01 am
Sure would be hard to pass up Jonathan Taylor RB in the second round.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on February 21, 2020, 02:46:36 pm
I had one of my supervisors that works for me come in the office this morning asking me how I felt about Chicago trading Mack to the Deadskins for the #2 pick.  I almost sent him for a drug test.  He said that it's all over the DC rumor boards.

I told him I haven't heard anything about it and he was nuts.  Certainly nothing out of Chicago news about it.  Has anyone heard any such nonsense?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 21, 2020, 03:49:47 pm
That would be interesting.

Could draft CHRIS Jones and free up a lot of money for Brandon Sherff and Darius Sllay.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 22, 2020, 05:40:08 am
I had one of my supervisors that works for me come in the office this morning asking me how I felt about Chicago trading Mack to the Deadskins for the #2 pick.  I almost sent him for a drug test.  He said that it's all over the DC rumor boards.

I told him I haven't heard anything about it and he was nuts.  Certainly nothing out of Chicago news about it.  Has anyone heard any such nonsense?

Drug test him, and have him pick up donuts on the way back to the office from the lab.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 22, 2020, 09:19:54 am
I saw that rumor came from Dan Sileo a small time radio talk show host who can’t keep a job.

Likely a stunt to get himself attention.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 12:21:48 pm
He also started the same rumor about the Bears trading up to #1.

He’s a doofus.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2020, 09:22:08 am
I expected this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/25/nfl-scouting-combine-georgia-quarterback-jake-fromm-has-met-with-chicago-bears-scouts/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

The Bears are certainly going to do their due diligence this offseason to address the quarterback position. And Fromm is definitely on their radar.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 27, 2020, 05:36:33 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/02/players-chicago-bears-have-met-with-so-far-at-scouting-combine/?fbclid=IwAR3O1XLVbI9VHawcjQkfFyn9NW6rsvC_ZBDPuqxEcfuE7dtfd052lXbZraQ
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 27, 2020, 06:04:47 pm
Bears look like they need to have a bigger power back back on the roster at least for short yardage.

AJ Dillon may be available 6th round.  250LBS with some mojo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nJI8Jgfjrg
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2020, 06:19:12 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/02/players-chicago-bears-have-met-with-so-far-at-scouting-combine/?fbclid=IwAR3O1XLVbI9VHawcjQkfFyn9NW6rsvC_ZBDPuqxEcfuE7dtfd052lXbZraQ

Nice find
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 27, 2020, 09:26:59 pm
Fromm’s write up in that piece sounds almost exactly like Rex Grossman’s did back in the day...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on February 28, 2020, 07:53:56 am
If we get Fromm, it would a nice reunion with both Wims and Ridley...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on February 28, 2020, 07:58:24 am
Fromm is a 5th or 6th round player who will go the first day because of his position.   I'd be disappointed if the bears took him in the second. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 28, 2020, 09:50:51 am
I can see Antonio Gibson being the kind of player this staff would love to have...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 28, 2020, 10:17:33 am
I can see Antonio Gibson being the kind of player this staff would love to have...

And who is that for those of us who don’t follow much college football.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2020, 10:20:17 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/26/chicago-bears-have-met-with-purdue-tight-end-brycen-hopkins-at-2020-nfl-scouting-combine/

TE Brycen Hopkins says he’s met with the #Bears here at the Scouting Combine. Said in total he’s met with 29 other teams. #ScoutingCombine

Probably the only other team will meet with him before the combine is done. Looks like he is skilled at doing interviews.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2020, 10:23:38 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/27/notre-dame-tight-end-cole-kmet-would-love-to-play-for-chicago-bears/

Hometown Bears? Hmmm
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 28, 2020, 10:42:51 am
And who is that for those of us who don’t follow much college football.

Antonio Gibson
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/antonio-gibson?id=32194749-4241-5285-a215-d633ff9a6f70

Looks to me like a bigger faster Randall Cobb type. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 28, 2020, 11:55:01 am
He could play RB or WR, as well as return kicks...and has the speed this team needs. Nagy could use him all over the field.

Only potential flaw I see in his measurables is somewhat small hands...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 28, 2020, 03:13:09 pm
On NFLN Daniel Jeremiah has USC LT Austin Jackson at #40 and calls him a day 1 starter.

Maybe it’s time to cut bait with Leno and draft this guy with the first second round pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 28, 2020, 03:18:10 pm
Mekhi Becton (OT) from Louisville is 6'7" 360 and just ran a 5.11...

Damn...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 28, 2020, 03:22:56 pm
Saw that.  He’s like a WR who gained weight
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 28, 2020, 03:47:01 pm
On NFLN Daniel Jeremiah has USC LT Austin Jackson at #40 and calls him a day 1 starter.

Maybe it’s time to cut bait with Leno and draft this guy with the first second round pick.

Not sure if Bears can cut him if thats what you mean by cut bait.  I think not only did Leno recently sign a new deal he also restructured it.  So a release of Leno might not be cap friendly (as opposed to Gabriel/Prince A.).

Other options though  include moving Leno to RG or moving Jackson to RG or RT.

We all know that Leno was inconsistent last year but the year before he was a pro-bowl alternate.  Maybe the new coach helps him regain his focus.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 28, 2020, 04:28:26 pm
Leno was a 7th round draft pick and it’s admirable how he’s developed into an average or so LT.

He’s surprisingly decent as a run blocker and has been barely competent as a pass blocker.
He really struggles against speed rushers and this prevents the QB from extending plays.
Leno was alarmingly bad last year as was the whole line and I haven’t heard any media, analyst, coach or player
be able to explain why.
Everyone says Heistand is a good coach and won’t place blame on him.
I heard Kyle Long on the SCORE 2 weeks ago and he had no explanation.

Years ago under Jauron the Bears had guys off the street at LT and another position or 2.
They were awful to start the season but improved as the season wore on indicating good OL coaching.
We didn’t see that improvement last year only continued bad play.

To get to the point,  to me it depends on what Castillo thinks after his film study.
If he finds we have 2-3 guys not physically capable there have to be changes.

The 2 biggest problems last year were QB and OL.  You could get 2 starters on the OLthis draft, which is described as deep for OL.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2020, 04:45:46 pm
We obviously need to replace Long. I would hope we dont push some other player such as Leno to RG to replace Long.

When I read about this guy . Someone exactly like this is who we need. And This guy is no 2nd rounder.

Logan Stenberg (OG, Kentucky)

One thing the Bears seemed to lack on their offensive line in 2019 was an “ass-kicker.” Somebody who played with nastiness and an edge. Kyle Long filled that role for years but lost it due to injuries. Stenberg would be somebody who could bring it back. Everything about the guy is blue collar. He battles on every snap and doesn’t back down from anybody. His pass protection is solid and is rarely caught off guard by anything the defense does.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 28, 2020, 04:57:37 pm

Leno, I always thought was more of a finesse pass blocker and not a strong run blocker.

Leno gave up 7 sacks in 2019.  But he also gave up 7 sacks in 2018.

The big difference in 2018 he had zero holding penalties.  Last year he was flagged 6 times.

I don't what his problem was last year but I don't think it was physical. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 28, 2020, 05:03:23 pm
Leno, I always thought was more of a finesse pass blocker and not a strong run blocker.

Leno gave up 7 sacks in 2019.  But he also gave up 7 sacks in 2018.

The big difference in 2018 he had zero holding penalties.  Last year he was flagged 6 times.

I don't what his problem was last year but I don't think it was physical.

Remember the sweeps they used to run behind Leno under Loggains?
Leno’s not a drive blocker but he can seal the edge and block downfield
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on February 28, 2020, 05:05:39 pm
Leno sucks, just accept it. Move on. Draft an OT if a decent one is available in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 28, 2020, 05:18:48 pm
Remember the sweeps they used to run behind Leno under Loggains?
Leno’s not a drive blocker but he can seal the edge and block downfield

I agree - his strength is his ability to move (except for last year).  Daniels is somewhat similar at LG.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 28, 2020, 05:26:15 pm
Robert Hunt out of Louisiana is the mean streak guard that interests me the most.

His writeup reads a lot like Quentin Nelson's did...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 28, 2020, 05:28:44 pm
Leno sucks, just accept it. Move on. Draft an OT if a decent one is available in the 2nd round.

I agree he sucked in '19 - maybe not in '20.    But who do you have play RG to give Bars competition if you replace Leno at LT? 

Still need a CB to compete against Tolliver and Tre Roberson.  Bears don't have a SS on the roster.  Still need a TE, maybe a speed WR.  Could use an ILB next to Smith.

Now some of these holes will be filled in free agency, but I'm thinking we keep #43 and trade down #50 and get a couple 3rds.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on February 28, 2020, 09:43:58 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/27/notre-dame-tight-end-cole-kmet-would-love-to-play-for-chicago-bears/

Hometown Bears? Hmmm
Kmet didn't impress at the combine.  He can run and jump well for his size, but is just so stiff and slow changing direction and getting off the line.  I think he's a great prospect for the U TE role.  But he needs 2 years to bulk up and become a competent nfl blocker, if he can even get to that level. 

NDs Chase Claypool ran a 4.42 40 at 6-4 238.  I think he could be a legit deep threat rookie year.  If pace moves back in the 2nd or into the early 3rd I'd love Claypool on the team.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2020, 09:53:29 pm
Robert Hunt out of Louisiana is the mean streak guard that interests me the most.

His writeup reads a lot like Quentin Nelson's did...

Thats who Stenberg apeared to be.....Nelson. I havent seen anything on Hunt. You have more? My issue is Guards seem to be found in the 4th on down. We dont have but 2 2nd rounders. I'd hate to waste a high pick in the 2nd round on an OG beings we dont have enough good picks.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 29, 2020, 12:32:39 pm
I looked at ESPN rankings for OGs They list Stenberg #2 and Hunt #13. Stenberg likely 4th round and Hunt 6th round
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 01, 2020, 10:26:44 pm
I think after watching the combine that this draft is deeper than before. So I think this draft prognostication is weaker than necessary.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/2/29/21156360/2020-nfl-draft-seven-rounds-perfect-course-ryan-pace-bears-tight-end-offensive-line-quarterback.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 03, 2020, 05:15:49 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqcJTXRad74
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2020, 07:33:07 am
So they like Kmet and Hooper. I think Hooper will break the Bank. And I do think they need to find OLinemen.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2020, 09:21:55 am
Dallas will love this. I think we need to find a replacement for Floyd:

This shows me Pace has identified a real problem.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/02/2020-nfl-scouting-combine-chicago-bears-met-with-several-pass-rushers/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

We definitely need one opposite Mack.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2020, 10:17:23 pm
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-7-round-mock-draft/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2020, 11:32:24 pm
Good Grief thats horrible.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 04, 2020, 09:01:42 am

Why?  Lets see yours.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2020, 09:48:04 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/01/2020-nfl-scouting-combine-bears-have-shown-interest-in-florida-international-quarterback-james-morgan/

This guy is more realistic than the Hawaii QB in their mock.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2020, 10:07:51 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/03/chicago-bears-could-target-these-five-nfl-scouting-combine-standouts-in-2020-nfl-draft/

I dont like the OT or the TE, but the Safety did catch my eye along with the QB
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 04, 2020, 10:10:38 am
https://www.first-pick.com/Default.aspx

login: bearsboard
password: Urlacher54

Let's see who does the best...without trading any picks...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 04, 2020, 10:13:08 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/03/chicago-bears-could-target-these-five-nfl-scouting-combine-standouts-in-2020-nfl-draft/

I dont like the OT or the TE, but the Safety did catch my eye along with the QB

Why on earth would you not like Harrison Bryant?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2020, 10:32:51 am
I watched the Combine and the 2 TEs who excelled in the position drills were Kmet and the Purdue kid. They caught everything that came at them. And 40 speed was topnotch.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2020, 10:43:05 am
I did not necessarily find this believable but interesting to see:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/post-combine-mock-drafts-find-bears-qbs

Hurts had a good combine, I'd be shocked to see him there in the 2nd. OTOH, I'd rather see the Bears take Hurts in the 2nd than Fromm. Personally I rather see Morgan in the 5th And I'd prefer

Stenberg @ 50 or the Georgia behemoth @50
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on March 04, 2020, 11:02:08 pm
I don't follow this really at all and just did some quick research so here it is:

Your score is: 30094 (GRADE: C)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 30 (G.B.): Netane Muti, OG/C, Fresno State (A)
Round 3 Pick 7 (LAC): Lucas Niang, OT, TCU (A)
Round 3 Pick 16 (L.V.): Hunter Bryant, TE, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 17 (L.V.): Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 27 (L.V.): AJ Green, CB, Oklahoma State (D+)
Round 4 Pick 30 (G.B.): KJ Hill, WR, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 41 (COMP): Pete Werner, OLB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 5 Pick 13: Daelin Hayes, DE/OLB, Notre Dame (C+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Jordan Fuller, FS/SS, Ohio State (A)
Round 6 Pick 17: Jaron Bryant, CB, Fresno State (B)
Round 6 Pick 21: Krys Barnes, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A)
Round 7 Pick 19: Jordan Cronkrite, RB, South Florida (B+)

Your Future Picks:
2021 Round 1 Pick
2022 Round 1 Pick
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 04, 2020, 11:57:30 pm
I did not necessarily find this believable but interesting to see:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/post-combine-mock-drafts-find-bears-qbs

Hurts had a good combine, I'd be shocked to see him there in the 2nd. OTOH, I'd rather see the Bears take Hurts in the 2nd than Fromm. Personally I rather see Morgan in the 5th And I'd prefer

Stenberg @ 50 or the Georgia behemoth @50

The Hoge and Jans podcast this week makes a case for Hurst.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 05, 2020, 06:25:03 am
But the Bearsbar room makes a case against Hurts and says he should be a 4th rounder and Fromm is a better prospect because he has a feel for the long passes, although not a good arm.  Not sure who to believe.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 05, 2020, 07:47:55 am
Well if you watched the combine and saw Hurts perform he makes obvious sense. He definitely has the legs. My guess is he will be off the board by 43.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 05, 2020, 08:50:12 am

Judging the potential draft position of any future NFL player, let alone a QB, isn't an exact science.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 05, 2020, 09:48:06 am
After watching the past two years of Trubisky, I want a QB who can scan the whole field, read the defense, and find the open man better than anyone else.

I'll take that ability over arm strength any day.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 05, 2020, 11:06:45 am

The difficulty in evaluating some of these QBs that have played with big programs is they've benefited from having fast WRs that generate space between opposing DBs and offensive lineman that have given them all this time in the pocket.  In the NFL the gaps between the WRs and DBs is tighter, and the quality of pass rusher is better. 

Decision making ability is huge - you can't determine that at a combine where QBs are sitting back in shorts throwing to receivers with no DBs.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2020, 09:52:31 pm
I was stunned when I stumbled upon this.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/player-dubbed-bears-perfect-fit-052742083.html

Jonah Jackson? I watched a lot of the OLinemen testing at the combine and I dont recall Jackson. Is this a smokescrean?

Maybe someone can straighten me out....please.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 09, 2020, 09:40:58 am

But his struggles in the run game make this fit somewhat questionable considering the Bears have to find linemen who can do a better job opening running lanes for David Montgomery in 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2020, 01:16:01 pm
Absolutely, which made me question "the fit". The LSU guard is a better fit.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 10, 2020, 05:27:47 am
Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 11: Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU (A)
Round 3 Pick 3 (DET): Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20 (LAR): Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 29 (TENN): Ezra Cleveland, OT, Boise State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 36 (SEA): Joe Bachie, OLB, Michigan State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (DET): Robert Hunt, OT, UL-Lafayette (A+)
Round 4 Pick 39 (MIA): Jalen Elliott, FS/SS, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 3 (DET): DeMarkus Acy, CB, Missouri (A+)
Round 5 Pick 13: Quintez Cephus, WR, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Pete Werner, OLB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 17: Damien Lewis, OG, LSU (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Brandon Pili, DT, USC (A+)
Round 7 Pick 19: Marcus Keyes, OG, Oklahoma State (A)
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 10, 2020, 09:21:11 am

hiber

OK, your draft filled a couple holes but failed in getting the Bears an ILB next to Roquan Smith.

Also, what if our kicker or punter gets hurt - absolutely nothing in special teams at those positions.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2020, 09:32:39 am
I see Hiber has gotten around to trading down, but as this article points out Pace hasnt. Pace has only done tradeups.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/09/chicago-bears-trade-down-draft-offensive-line-tight-end-cornerback-new-three-round-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

While trading down could be beneficial to the Bears I dont like the player this mock has us taking as his flaws have been exposed. Also I dont see Kmet falling to round 3.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 10, 2020, 10:09:59 am
This is an interesting read. I am always leery of wannabee draftnics.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/2/29/21156360/2020-nfl-draft-seven-rounds-perfect-course-ryan-pace-bears-tight-end-offensive-line-quarterback
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 10, 2020, 10:32:03 am
The best move for the Bears would be to draft an offensive tackle such as USC’s Austin Jackson or Auburn’s Prince Tega Wanogho (Jackson is the pick if he lasts that long) and play him at guard for the upcoming season before moving him to his natural position in 2021. It’s not perfect, but teams have done it before, and it’s a good answer for the Bears’ short-term and long-term needs.

Sounds like a plan.

And I like trading down the second #2 pick and picking up a 3rd rounder.  I think Pace traded down to Whitehair ('16) and Shaheen ('17) in the 2nd.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 10, 2020, 07:07:19 pm
dallas,

Joe Bachie projects as ILB. 

No holes left behind  :D
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 11, 2020, 09:55:53 am

hiber

Except for backup kicker, punter, and what about line snapper?  Yeah, big holes...huge.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on March 11, 2020, 01:42:13 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/03/the-bears-handled-adrian-amos-masterfully-and-the-nfl-just-proved-it/?fbclid=IwAR1UeJpmowSJrE3DnAVg2Gp9peNXMiAG0KqLj1y9bEsnLIzQ6Nw35GDhvkI
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 11, 2020, 02:34:35 pm

I know, every position on defense is valuable, but certain positions are more valuable, namely CB, maybe FS and definitely edge rusher.  And you probably need solid contribution from your NT, and at least one of your 3-4 DEs and one of your ILBs.  But I'd put SS toward the bottom of the priority list. 

Bears will probably sign somebody in free agency at SS.  And maybe bring back Deon Busch too.  And I wouldn't be surprised if the comp 4th rounder or possibly a traded down 3rd rounder is a SS.  Not sure I'd spend either of the 2nd rounders on one though unless he's a ball hawk too.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2020, 11:39:52 am
Its official now:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/10/chicago-bears-fourth-round-compensatory-pick-2020-nfl-draft/

With all the position needs the Bears have we need all the picks we can get.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on March 12, 2020, 12:55:16 pm
How many times has that same thought been posted on the Bears draft board ? That's telling for sure. Poor picks all the way back to Jim Finks.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 13, 2020, 01:49:46 pm
Your score is: 36480 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 11: Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 18: Tyler Biadasz, C/OG, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 4 Pick 34 (COMP): Reggie Floyd, FS/SS, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Ben Bartch, OT, St. John's (A+)
Round 6 Pick 17: Joe Gaziano, DE/OLB, Northwestern (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Stephen Sullivan, TE, LSU (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Benito Jones, DT, Mississippi (A+)
Round 7 Pick 19: Jared Pinkney, TE, Vanderbilt (A+)
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: method on March 13, 2020, 01:52:06 pm
Tyler won't make it that far...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 13, 2020, 01:54:48 pm
Let's try this...I'm going to post a list of players that are likely 1st rounders, but could conceivably fall to us at #43 if things break a certain way...

Which of these guys would you take no matter what at 43? Pick all of them that you would take...doesn't have to be just one. Assume there are no good offers to trade down...

WR - Tee Higgins - Clemson
WR - Brandon Aiyuk - Arizona St
WR - Justin Jefferson - LSU
RB - JK Dobbins - OSU
RB - Jonathan Taylor - Wisconsin
RB - D'Andre Swift - Georgia
QB - Jordan Love - Utah St
CB - Jeff Gladney - TCU
OT - Josh Jones - Houston
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 13, 2020, 01:55:43 pm
Tyler won't make it that far...
I don't think Tee will either...but they were there for me...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 15, 2020, 03:06:35 pm
48 hours, and nothing...and this is supposedly a Bears board...that's pitiful...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on March 15, 2020, 03:25:43 pm
Chill it is likely going to be postponed the rate things are going.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 15, 2020, 03:41:47 pm
Free agency starts in a couple of days.

The league might curtail in person visits of FAvand draftees.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on March 15, 2020, 03:45:03 pm
They will push free agency back more then likely.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on March 15, 2020, 03:46:16 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/15/the-case-for-proceeding-with-free-agency-now/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2020, 09:57:45 pm

Why delay it?  I don't think anyone is planning on meeting with a 100 people.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on March 15, 2020, 10:00:06 pm
They are moving forward with it as of the most current information.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on March 16, 2020, 02:12:58 am
https://247sports.com/Article/nfl-draft-coronavirus-postponed-las-vegas-2020-sports-canceled-145041223/

Draft is postponed till sometime in May. Hard to concentrate on football when there's a global pandemic and all that goes with that.....
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on March 16, 2020, 03:15:01 am

Now the draft is different.  That's an event with audiences all over the country.

But ya know people do need something besides the virus to occupy themselves with. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 16, 2020, 03:26:22 pm

Are there any non-special teams position off the board for either of our 2nd round picks?

Defensively, after Trevathan signed - I'd say ILB.  Maybe 3-4 DE and NT too.

But Bears could easily draft a CB, OLB, or safety.

Offensively, maybe HB.  But we need more speed at WR (Bears could have the slowest wideouts in the league).  We need more talent at TE.  We need a RG and may need an OT soon.  And center is a possibility if Bears move Whitehair to RG.    And of course a lot of fans want the Bears to draft a new QB. 

Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 16, 2020, 03:57:20 pm
It's not a strong draft for 3-4 DE's at all. Not strong for OLB's either, imo…

Good draft for WR's, but not necessarily burners...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 17, 2020, 04:12:08 am
OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL,  & TE
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 08:34:54 am
But ya know people do need something besides the virus to occupy themselves with.

Yeah, I dont want to be occupied with any virus.   
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 09:29:18 am
OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL,  & TE

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 09:39:54 am
I see Cletus is at it again
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 09:51:35 am

We all know that the Bears have one QB on the roster - did you know we only have 2 safeties and one is named Kentrell Brice.

Bears need to sign a safety with experience soon or three.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2020, 11:15:52 am
I guess the Bears noticed that the DE crop in this year's draft is weak...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 11:21:24 am
Yup, they tagged Roy Robertson Harris
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2020, 11:23:08 am
Yeah...that too...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 11:33:52 am
But they just cut Sleepy Floyd.  there go your 2 2nd rounders. OLB and TE
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 12:07:14 pm

Glad they retained Roy Robertson-Harris.

Draft is still wide open.  The only pick I think they'l make in round 2 could be O-line.  But there are many combinations that could include CB, OLB, OL, WR, TE and safety and of course QB. 

Trade downs?  Trade ups?  BPA?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BearHit on March 17, 2020, 01:24:21 pm
crap shoot - every year
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 06:38:53 pm

Trading down the 50th pick.  Value = 400.

You could trade with the teams with the last 3 picks in round 2 and still get a diluted 2nd rounder and a corresponding pick in round 3 (last 3 picks).
Or you could just about get any 2 3rd round picks on the board.

For example:  Round 3 #2 and Round 3 #26, which is player #66 and #90 for #50.

Just google draft value chart - many many possibilities.

Trade down makes sense if value at 50 is about the same as say 66, but if a stud is there at 50 you got to take him.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2020, 10:07:25 am
Yuc! I am not wild about this. Dallas probably is:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/23/chicago-bears-2020-nfl-mock-draft-version-one/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 24, 2020, 10:55:35 am

I like getting an OT at 43 and a potential LT too but I'm not sure this guy is physical enough to play RG or RT later on.

And that WR runs a 4.72 and 29" vertical?   Blah.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2020, 12:06:45 pm
It’s not a horrible draft, but we should get something better than Cleveland at 43.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2020, 02:01:56 pm
Seems to me that Cleveland comes from Boise St the same place as Leno, although I could be mistaken.  I like the Safety but not at 50. A trade down to high 3rd would suit me better. I'd prefer a TE at

50 if we stay there. And I dont like the TE in the 5th, but that far down beggars cant be choosy. @ 43 I'd prefer Isiah Wilson of Georgia.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2020, 02:23:42 pm
UGH!!



    Do the Bears have 9 tight ends currently?
    — Cliff Palmer (Fire Stan Bowman) (@CliffPalmer22) March 23, 2020

Ten! In alphabetical order: Ben Braunecker, Burton, Darion Clark, Graham, Demetrius Harris, J.P. Holtz, Jesper Horsted, Dax Raymond, Eric Saubert and Shaheen. They figure to cut at least one whenever they finally announce the Graham contract.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 24, 2020, 03:31:56 pm

You can't poo poo the Boise St alum Leno - he was after all taken in the 7th round.

However, do you recall another Boise Stater that the Bears took in round 1 a few years ago?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2020, 04:13:44 pm
I do...is he still playing?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 26, 2020, 02:24:46 am
this guy ranks by position. here are his TE rankings:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2020TE.php
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2020, 09:15:36 am
Speaking of McClellin, here’s what he’s up to these days...

https://theathletic.com/1699326/2020/03/25/shea-mcclellin-pickleball-boise-state-nfl-retirement/?article_source=related
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2020, 11:09:42 am
This guy is always wrong, I dont see why anybody should listen to him:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/25/21181791/2020-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-espn-mock-mel-kiper-second-round-wide-receiver-nick-foles-trubisky

He is right that receiver class is excellent, but our need is a speed receiver not what he is touting we take. Still think we are better off with Kmet in round 2
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2020, 11:23:53 am
Kmet ran a 4.70 at the combine and is the #1 TE. The receivers he touts are 4.70 Wrs. Makes more sense to me. And we have 10 duds at TE's on our roster
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 26, 2020, 11:37:15 am
If they are all right, that a stud TE is what will make Nagys system go, maybe Kmet is the way to go.  Who knows.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 26, 2020, 12:02:39 pm
I'd be surprised if there are any 4.7 wideouts in the NFL.

4.7 is pretty good speed.  Its tough to find TEs with Kittle's 4.52 speed and his overall ability.

I know we have a lot of cap invested in TEs, but next year Burton, Graham and Shaheen could all be off the books, so a TE early this year or next year is a good possibility.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 26, 2020, 12:11:26 pm
Burton and Shaheen could be off the books THIS year.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 26, 2020, 12:54:15 pm

Yeah, I know everyone is down on Burton and Shaheen.

Burton was fine until injured.  He's still relatively young  and IF healthy could be a valuable part of the offense.  If he's still beat up, then Bears could get some cap relief after June 1.

This is Shaheen's last chance.  Right now he's maybe 3rd or 4th on the depth chart.  You'd like to see what he could do when healthy - he's shown flashes but consistency and health are critical .   Could be another kevin white unforuntately.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2020, 01:18:38 pm
There are a handful of WR's in this draft that I would consider a better value pick than taking a RG or a CB or a SS in this year's draft.

None of them will be available when the Bears pick at 43.

Shenault and Pittman are not a better use of that pick than a stud OG or TE or SS or CB.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 26, 2020, 01:43:26 pm
Shaheen was just a Pace special, accept it & move on.

Burton was always a smaller no block receiving TE, he was pretty good in 2018 but this is football & injuries end careers quickly & easily. Pace signing an old washed up TE is no solution.

OL & TE biggest draft needs.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on March 26, 2020, 09:08:07 pm
Nagy's system is one of the worst in NFL history.  Until it - and he - is gone, nothing else matters.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on March 26, 2020, 09:10:49 pm
Burton was fine until injured.  He's still relatively young  and IF healthy could be a valuable part of the offense.

No.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2020, 09:40:08 pm
OL & TE biggest draft needs.

My opinion too.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 12:02:52 am
Quote from: dallasbear2 on Today at 12:54:15 pm
Burton was fine until injured.  He's still relatively young  and IF healthy could be a valuable part of the offense.

No.


16 games in 2018.  about 600 yards and 6 TDs - nah - Bears don't need him
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 27, 2020, 08:24:53 am
Burton has mental problems in addition to any ailments.  His refusal to play against his old team, example number 1.  And his production the second half of 2018 was markedly reduced.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 10:25:42 am

Are you F'ing kidding me?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on March 27, 2020, 02:08:13 pm
I'd be comfortable if the bears didn't draft a TE with one of the 2nds.  The combo of Burton and Graham at the U spot is decent, just way overpaid and with health concerns.  We need a Y tight end, Shaheen is really the only one on the roster and he is awful.  The only Y you'd want to take early is Kmet.  I think he will be a good Y in a few years, but the bears don't have time for his blocking to develop.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 05:50:17 pm

I go back and forth and back on TE in round 2.  Maybe with Graham, Burton, Shaheen and Demetrius Harris plus the 5 fold TE practice squad they can get some production out of the position.

I think with 4 or 5 needs that Pace can go BPA.  I think one of those 2s will be traded for a later 2 and a 3, but who knows?

Pace might trade up.



Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2020, 06:21:39 pm
They need two TE's that can go. Burton has shown he isn't dependable, but maybe he is still a viable TE. But they do need another TE that can spell him when he goes down, has a 'episode' whatever is going on in that head of his. Shaheen?? Totally wasted pick and adios, muchacho!
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davep on March 27, 2020, 06:27:03 pm
I think that TE is one of the most important and certainly underrated positions on the entire offensive.  That said, their first priority MUST be the offensive line.  Without that, the quarterback will stink, the running game will stink, and the passing game will stink.

If you can solve ALL of the problems this year, that would be wonderful.  But we shouldn't try to solve lesser problems at the expense of the major problem.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 08:29:06 pm

No disagreement.  Oline in round 2 - maybe 43 maybe 50.

43 or 50 could be TE too, but I'm kind of leaning toward CB.   
CB
Kyle Fuller
Kevin Toliver
Artie Burns
Tre Roberson
Michael Joseph
Stephen Denmark (probably needs to move to safety)

Safety
Eddie Jackson
Deon Bush
Jordan Lucas
Sherrick McManis
DeAndre Houston-Carson
Kentrell Brice

Which is odd because we're in more need of talent at safety.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 28, 2020, 10:10:44 am
hosts on ESPN radio this morning think it crazy to think the Bears would use a 2nd round pick on a TE. Idiots.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 28, 2020, 10:35:01 am
If we can get the very best one in the draft, in the second round, like say a Kittle or Gronk, yeah I pull the trigger on that.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 28, 2020, 01:14:08 pm
If we can get the very best one in the draft, in the second round, like say a Kittle or Gronk, yeah I pull the trigger on that.

AMEN. How stupid to question that. And when you compare that to the 2nd round small school TE selected who cant stay healthy, its even more intelligent.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on March 28, 2020, 02:04:51 pm
I don't think there is a TE worthy of a 2nd this year.  Kmet is probably the best, he would be an option if the bears trade back into the third.  I don't think he'd help much next year. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 28, 2020, 07:57:46 pm

I'm OK with Kmet. nfl.com has him ranked at #52 with a 6.34 grade.  So he does have 2nd round value and most likely won't drop to round 3.

If the Bears draft him at #43 or #50 or whatever, will he get enough playing time over Graham and Burton?  If he does and shows potential for the future the Bears could cut both the FAs and be set with Kmet in 2021.

If they don't draft Kmet or any TE they might have to retain contracts of Graham and Burton in 2021.

There is no right answer at this point in time.  OK, maybe there is, but no one knows for sure.

Here's some recent TEs with grades around Kmet's 6.34:

2019
T.J. Hockenson IOWA Rnd 1, Pick 8   TE   Detroit Lions   r-Junior   6.80

Irv Smith ALABAMA Rnd 2, Pick 18   TE   Minnesota Vikings   Junior   6.40

Noah Fant IOWA Rnd 1, Pick 20   TE   Denver Broncos   Junior   6.40

Kahale Warring SAN DIEGO STATE Rnd 3, Pick 23   TE   Houston Texans   r-Junior   6.30

2018
Hayden Hurst SOUTH CAROLINA Rnd 1, Pick 25   TE   Baltimore Ravens   Junior   6.40

Mike Gesicki PENN ST. Rnd 2, Pick 10   TE   Miami Dolphins   Senior   6.40

Ian Thomas INDIANA Rnd 4, Pick 1   TE   Carolina Panthers   Senior   6.30

 SOUTH DAKOTA ST. Rnd 2, Pick 17   TE   Philadelphia Eagles   r-Senior   6.30

Dalton Schultz STANFORD Rnd 4, Pick 37   TE   Dallas Cowboys   r-Junior   6.20

Mark Andrews OKLAHOMA Rnd 3, Pick 22   TE   Baltimore Ravens   r-Junior   6.20

2017
O.J. Howard ALABAMA 7.00   TE   -

David Njoku MIAMI 6.80   TE   -

Gerald Everett SOUTH ALABAMA 6.40   TE   -

Evan Engram MISSISSIPPI 6.40   TE   -

Temuchin Hodges VIRGINIA TECH 6.30   TE   -

Jake Butt MICHIGAN 6.30   TE
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 31, 2020, 03:05:12 pm
https://twitter.com/eriklambert1/status/1244779104144154625?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 31, 2020, 03:09:44 pm
I like Winfield and Chinn at the S position.  I guess I should start looking at the other guys who might be available.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 31, 2020, 08:41:58 pm

Xavier Mckinney ALABAMA 6.38   S   Junior

Antoine Winfield Jr. MINNESOTA 6.36   S   r-Sophomore

Ashtyn Davis CALIFORNIA 6.33   S   r-Senior

Kyle Dugger LENOIR-RHYNE 6.32   S   Senior

Terrell Burgess UTAH 6.20   S   Senior

Jeremy Chinn SOUTHERN ILLINOIS 6.15   S   Senior



Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2020, 09:47:30 pm
Winfield would be extremely hard to pass on if he's there @50. And he's got very good bloodlines too.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2020, 11:02:15 am
If I believed this I would have to believe there was a man in the moon who eats green cheese:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/04/chicago-bears-mock-draft-ryan-pace-trades-up-for-quarterback-jordan-love/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

If Pace did this I recommend him to be fired. A) We have too many needs to go gambling and B) I feel Love is a bust waiting to happen. IMHO even From is a better gamble than Love.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 05, 2020, 03:29:19 pm
Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 05, 2020, 04:38:22 pm
Pace is trying to save his job.  He needs to draft contributors.  I would be shocked if he drafts a QB early.  A little bit scared too, because that might mean he has assurances that his job is safe from the McCaskey's.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on April 05, 2020, 08:22:43 pm
He pulls that stunt He'll be lucky to get to O'Hare to get out of town without getting killed on the Dan Ryan. Need some people up front on the O line that can stay healthy and play. Period. Pace has already fu cked enough with quarterback. Don't forget the Glennon debacle.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on April 05, 2020, 08:25:02 pm
Ugh, Don't remind me...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2020, 10:55:25 pm
That draft had Love going 27. If Love is worth 27 how do the Bears get to 27?  It sure would take both our 2's for sure, which is asininely stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 06, 2020, 12:30:47 am

Yes, both 2nds for #27 but the Bears would get back a decent pick in round 3.

Ain't gonna happen - Pace has to win NOW.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 06, 2020, 10:04:53 am
I agree we have to win now. The window can close quickly. Old saying, "You gotta make hay while the sun shines"
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 06, 2020, 10:18:50 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/5/21208482/bears-draft-analysis-quarterback-purgatory-ryan-pace-jake-fromm-jacob-eason-jalen-hurts-joe-burrow

Sounds like a case is being made to push Pace into drafting a QB. I sure hope not. I dont see any rookie QB getting the Bears to the Superbowl.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 06, 2020, 11:53:29 am
Finding a starting quarterback at No. 43 or No. 50 is a long shot. But the Bears not taking a quarterback at all would be worse.

Sounds like the media trying to push Pace to me.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 07, 2020, 10:22:14 am
Lots of trading down...this might be the highest score I have put up...

Your Team: Chicago Bears
GAME OVER!
 

Your score is: 41545 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 25 (HOU): Damon Arnette, CB, Ohio St. (A)
Round 2 Pick 32 (SEA): Lucas Niang, OT, TCU (A)
Round 3 Pick 13 (DEN): Antoine Winfield Jr., FS/SS, Minnesota (A+)
Round 3 Pick 17 (L.V.): Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia (A+)
Round 3 Pick 24 (N.O.): Van Jefferson, WR, Florida (A+)
Round 3 Pick 26 (HOU): Raekwon Davis, DT/DE, Alabama (A+)
Round 3 Pick 31 (DEN): Albert Okwuegbunam, TE, Missouri (A+)
Round 4 Pick 24 (N.O.): Matt Peart, OT, Connecticut (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Anthony Gordon, QB, Washington St. (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23 (N.O.): Joe Bachie, OLB/ILB, Michigan St. (A+)
Round 6 Pick 17: Antonio Gibson, WR, Memphis (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Benito Jones, DT, Ole Miss (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Shyheim Carter, FS, Alabama (A+)
Round 7 Pick 19: Dominik Eberle, K, Utah St. (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2021 Round 1 Pick
2022 Round 1 Pick
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 07, 2020, 11:24:29 am

I don't think Pace has the long term job security to take a QB early.  If he did have that security and thought he could get a starting QB somehow its not beyond belief that he'd pull that trigger.

Trubisky has one year left and Foles has an out for his contract in 2021.

I just don't see that Pace has that long term security - his signing of Jimmy Graham appears to be a short term desparate move.  At least for now.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 07, 2020, 01:42:07 pm
Maybe Graham has a reputation for being a good mentor to younger players, or they think he has the potential to be one...

That's what I've been trying to convince myself, anyway...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 07, 2020, 04:06:50 pm

The NFL doesn't pay players to be mentors.  Otherwise Chase Daniel would still be in Chicago.

It's not inconceivable that Graham could get 50 -60 catches 600 yards - half a dozen TDs. 

But what's interesting is that Graham, Burton and Shaheen could all not be with the Bears in 2021 without a huge cap penalty.

And the guy that nobody talks about is Demetrius Harris.

Does this mean then that a TE will be drafted in round 2?  ****-if-I-Know
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 07, 2020, 04:38:07 pm
Green Bay didn't think Graham was worth 8 million, the Bears gave him more. Accept it as another Pace blunder.

OL, WR, TE needs on offense. Safety (strong), LB (think of all the losses to FA) & corner needs on defense, altho I disagree with most on CB. I think we have enough there.

Picking a QB in the 2nd round would be kinda nutty.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 07, 2020, 04:56:41 pm
Maybe Graham has a reputation for being a good mentor to younger players, or they think he has the potential to be one...

That's what I've been trying to convince myself, anyway...

On the bright side his last game he had 4-5 catches 95 yards.

Maybe he’ll at least be a worthwhile player although highly overpaid.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 08, 2020, 10:15:12 pm
https://twitter.com/justinm_nfl/status/1247983600206778369?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 08, 2020, 10:19:15 pm
I dont care what anybody else says, 10 TEs on the roster doesnt solve the production questionmark:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/7/21212308/draft-analysis-bears-still-need-tight-end-help

They have zippo at TE. Whether or not they draft a TE, they still need to.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 10, 2020, 08:36:00 am
At first I thought I wanted Kmet at TE:  https://dabearsblog.com/2020/bears-draft-prospect-video-cole-kmet-te-notre-dame

But after watching Hopkins this guy has the hands I want:  https://dabearsblog.com/2020/bears-draft-prospect-brycen-hopkins-te-purdue
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: joki13 on April 10, 2020, 09:26:37 am
  Boogie I just watched the Hopkins video and he's got some speed and shiftiness for a big guy. Yeah I wouldnt mind him with one of our 2nds if he's still on the board.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 10, 2020, 10:21:46 am
And with the other take the best OL available. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 10, 2020, 11:58:07 am

Hopkins has decent size, nice speed, and superior production but he has the droppsies which has him rated around the 10th best TE in this draft.

Here's what nfl.com's Lance Zierleinsays:

Overview
Flex tight end with enough route acumen and separation quickness to open throwing windows, but modest ball skills and below-average hands can turn potential completions into drops. Hopkins' issue with catch consistency has been ongoing and is unlikely to change as a pro. While the athletic talent looks good in space, there was a noticeable drop in production and opportunities when matched against man-cover talent. Hopkins could be viewed as a one-dimensional slot tight end with Day 3 draft potential, but his issues as a pass-catcher could limit his long-term prospects.


He still caught 61 balls last year at 13.6 y/c but if this report is valid he might be there in rounds 4 or 5.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2020, 12:23:44 pm
Well droppsies must be what the Bears want:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/08/chicago-bears-showing-significant-interest-in-purdue-tight-end-brycen-hopkins/

I surely could see a much later pick of Hopkins. I wonder if that droppsies label drops Hopkins. Kmet has sure hands. He cought every ball thrown at him at the combine
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 10, 2020, 12:27:12 pm
I was surprised by this guy ranking Hopkins 10th best. At 6'3. 241 he's a tad small, we need OL help more than TE. Shame we don't have a 3rd or 4th round pick.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2020TE.php
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2020, 12:43:06 pm
This looks like a 2nd round pick:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/08/chicago-bears-showing-interest-in-houston-offensive-tackle-josh-jones-2020-nfl-draft/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2020, 01:16:35 pm
Well with the draft coming soon we start seeing mocks:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/9/21215101/nfl-mock-draft-2020-bears-full-picks-projections.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 10, 2020, 05:54:43 pm
I was surprised by this guy ranking Hopkins 10th best. At 6'3. 241 he's a tad small, we need OL help more than TE. Shame we don't have a 3rd or 4th round pick.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2020TE.php

If I was a betting man (and I'm not unless its stocks or blackjack) I'd bet that Pace trades down one of the 2nd rounders for a late 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder or maybe an early 3rd and a middle 3rd.

Right now I'm thinking O-line and corner and possibly TE or WR if we can get 3 picks in the top 100.

An argument can be made for safety in the top 100 but it would be fantastic if the Bears can find a starting safety in round 5 like they did with Adrian Amos.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 10, 2020, 08:13:48 pm
If I was a betting man (and I'm not unless its stocks or blackjack) I'd bet that Pace trades down one of the 2nd rounders for a late 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder or maybe an early 3rd and a middle 3rd.

Right now I'm thinking O-line and corner and possibly TE or WR if we can get 3 picks in the top 100.

An argument can be made for safety in the top 100 but it would be fantastic if the Bears can find a starting safety in round 5 like they did with Adrian Amos.
I would be happy if your projection came true.  My only difference is I want a safety early.  I think they can find a safety that can be a positive contributor coming out of camp in the second or third round.  Any corner they take that early isn't likely to be a day one starter, much less a + player.  pace is betting on pass rush covering up whomever wk s the CB2 competition.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 10, 2020, 08:18:55 pm
As talent evaluation goes, the Bears are the NFL's worst team.  You can count on them to choose poorly.  Sad to say.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 10, 2020, 08:33:48 pm
FWIW the NFLN scouts were asked for sleeper TE and they had the one from VT Missouri and Georgia.  The Georgia player didn’t have many receptions but they think he may do well at the next level.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 11, 2020, 06:02:57 am
The Missouri kid has promise. He definitely has the measureables and the speed.  The questionmarks appear to be between his ears.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 11, 2020, 06:59:39 pm

Yeah, he's off the charts athleticallity.  I think his biggest issue is running routes where he has to make cuts.  But he's had good production and appears to be a huge weapon near the goal line.

Blocking is a weakness but that's the case with most collegiate TEs.

Might be a bit of a project but with Graham and Burton he can be worked into the lineup.

Maybe had in round 4.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 11, 2020, 09:58:50 pm
The Georgia TE is intriguing.

Watched part of one of their games and he moves well and is known for his blocking.

The don’t use him as a receiver but the scouts say he has good hands.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 12, 2020, 07:55:50 am
The Georgia TE is intriguing.

Watched part of one of their games and he moves well and is known for his blocking.

The don’t use him as a receiver but the scouts say he has good hands.

.......and Pace loves Georgia players.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 13, 2020, 10:03:37 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/11/chicago-bears-met-with-mississippi-state-cornerback-cameron-dantzler/

With the draft approaching you never know. This kid doesnt impress me much. Why was he some top rated CB?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 13, 2020, 10:57:26 am
Bears love small school players:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/12/21218059/draft-analysis-bears-could-fill-void-at-safety-in-second-round

Chinn fits the Bears modus operandi.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 13, 2020, 02:38:40 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/11/chicago-bears-met-with-mississippi-state-cornerback-cameron-dantzler/

With the draft approaching you never know. This kid doesnt impress me much. Why was he some top rated CB?

Review is good on the kid:

Overview
Very long, stringy cornerback with surprising strength and a competitive mindset that had quarterbacks looking for easier battles elsewhere. He looks to suffocate and contest the route from start to finish and does an excellent job of maintaining phase in the vertical plane. His cover style will draw attention from NFL game officials early on, but the athleticism and length should allow him to trust his technique. He won't give up many explosive plays through the air, but is a high-risk tackler in run support and needs to do a better job of wrapping and finishing. Dantzler can play in a variety of coverages but is a future starter as a confident press-man corner with early starting potential.


But here is the issue.  He ran a 4.64 40 at the combine which says 6th or 7th round.  Then on his pro day he ran a 4.38 hand timed 40.  If he's anywhere near that 4.38 speed then he'll get drafted several rounds earlier.  Never seen such a discrepancy in 40 times.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 13, 2020, 02:55:22 pm

Bears don't typically spend  earlier than 4th or 5th rounders at safety.

Last second rounder I remember was some short kid out of Nebraska.  Didn't like the pick at the time.

Mike Brown.

Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 14, 2020, 12:39:58 am
Tua. has had 2 ankle surgeries, finger surgery, a knee problem and the hip.

If you’re a GM do you really want to spend a top 10 pick?

Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 14, 2020, 05:00:04 am
Review is good on the kid:

Overview
Very long, stringy cornerback with surprising strength and a competitive mindset that had quarterbacks looking for easier battles elsewhere. He looks to suffocate and contest the route from start to finish and does an excellent job of maintaining phase in the vertical plane. His cover style will draw attention from NFL game officials early on, but the athleticism and length should allow him to trust his technique. He won't give up many explosive plays through the air, but is a high-risk tackler in run support and needs to do a better job of wrapping and finishing. Dantzler can play in a variety of coverages but is a future starter as a confident press-man corner with early starting potential.


But here is the issue.  He ran a 4.64 40 at the combine which says 6th or 7th round.  Then on his pro day he ran a 4.38 hand timed 40.  If he's anywhere near that 4.38 speed then he'll get drafted several rounds earlier.  Never seen such a discrepancy in 40 times.

Sounds like Peanut...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 14, 2020, 09:19:21 am
This mock has the Bears drafting with both 2nd rounders and no Olinemen either. Kmet is a TE though
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: method on April 14, 2020, 09:40:54 am
2 ol in the 2nd. please.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 14, 2020, 09:56:49 am

Given our lack of draft choices early, other needs, Pace's job security and cap situation with Leno and Massie I just don't think that's going to happen.



Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 14, 2020, 10:40:00 am
Me either. I think Ifedi takes Long's job and they draft an OT in round 2. I think they have more holes than they have picks.

I'd still like to trade down from 50 and pick up more picks (equals more holes fixed).
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 14, 2020, 10:47:17 am

Bears still could  draft another development/injured offensive lineman in round 6 or 7.

I like the trade down scenario - in fact I like it so much I've been thinking about trading BOTH 2nds down.  Still want to stay in round 2 with both trade downs if possible. 

But predicting what Pace will do will be damn near impossible.  He's probably going to trade up both for the WR Lamb or something like that.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 14, 2020, 10:58:40 am
Still want to stay in round 2 with both trade downs if possible.

Well if you were going to do that, then trade down from 43 and keep 50.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 14, 2020, 11:49:36 am

Possible.  But 50 could still get you a late 2nd rounder and a late 3rd rounder.

Many of us, including myself think of draft picks by their round number. 

I bet GMs think of picks by their numerical draft order.

#50 could get you #60 and #100 for example. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 14, 2020, 11:56:06 am
Would 43 get you a 2nd 3rd and 4th?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 14, 2020, 11:58:16 am
This mock has the Bears drafting with both 2nd rounders and no Olinemen either. Kmet is a TE though

What mock?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2020, 11:58:29 am
Would 43 get you a 2nd 3rd and 4th?


It only takes one GM to bite...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2020, 12:00:15 pm
At 43, I'm fine with either a trade down or BPA, unless Trevon Diggs is there.

He's too good to pass up at 43, and it's a demand position that is somewhat weak in this year's class.

Some mocks have him available there, some don't...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 14, 2020, 08:15:16 pm
Here are some later round prospects that are interesting.  Possibly support trading down.

I saw the Stanford TE play a few times and he's a tall mismatch with good hands.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/pete-priscos-2020-nfl-draft-better-than-team-20-guys-i-like-more-than-the-scouts-do/?fbclid=IwAR3GyZeK2sg6P6Xp5rlYnY7zQfr8r00BJ0dIMAjYtw5pi3puRWKfTU7J0ME
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2020, 09:19:36 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/14/chicago-bears-will-meet-with-auburn-cornerback-javaris-davis-wednesday-through-facetime/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2020, 09:29:15 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/13/chicago-bears-could-target-these-five-cornerbacks-in-2020-nfl-draft/

Well they certainly could use one. I have not seen CB measureables.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 15, 2020, 09:31:21 am
Kevin Fishbain with a great look at probable available prospects at premium positions...

https://theathletic.com/1747103/2020/04/15/its-time-for-the-bears-to-draft-premium-positions-heres-who-they-could-target/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 15, 2020, 12:25:26 pm
I know the OL, WR, TE are serious needs, but getting Diggs and Winfield would be beyond epic.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 15, 2020, 02:11:14 pm
Diggs and Winfield, and I take our defense over anyone's...and we are more than well equipped to face off against the Vikes, Pack, and Lions passing attacks...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 15, 2020, 03:44:03 pm
Isn't Winfield like 5'9? Kinda small for a SS.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2020, 04:06:03 pm
Yes his is 5'9 like his father.  He is also a leaper like his father. He studies tape too like his father
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 16, 2020, 04:41:01 am
His father was a mudder.  His mother was a mudder.  Seinfeld reference
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2020, 09:02:17 am
I think I posted this from the Suntimes:

DRAFT SPOTLIGHT

Safeties

Grading the Bears’ need: Medium-to-high. The Bears have an opening opposite Jackson after losing Clinton-Dix, but Bush is a thumper who should be a capable complement to the ball-hawking Jackson. Bush started three games in 2018 in place of Jackson — including the wild-card playoff loss to the Eagles — without incident.

On the roster: Eddie Jackson, Deon Bush, DeAndre Houston-Carson, Jordan Lucas, Kentrell Brice.

The five best draft prospects: Alabama’s Xavier McKinney; Southern Illinois’ Jeremy Chinn; LSU’s Grant Delpit; Minnesota’s Antoine Winfield, Jr.; Lenoir-Rhyne’s Kyle Dugger.

Keep an eye on: Iowa’s Geno Stone — a football-gene guy at a position where instincts are huge. The 5-10, 207-pound Stone is pegged as a special-teams player at the NFL level, but could make an impact at safety in the right situation. “The most underrated player regardless of position,” according to Pro Football Focus.

Close to home: Southern Illinois’ Jeremy Chinn is a late-bloomer who has been rising up draft boards faster than any safety since UConn’s Obi Melifonwu in 2017. A nephew of 2020 Hall of Fame enshrinee Steve Atwater. With his size, explosiveness and physicality, the 6-3, 220-pound Chinn has a versatility NFL teams crave.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 16, 2020, 09:09:46 am
Mike Brown was 5'10" 205.  Same size as Sweetness.  Winfield can play safety for us.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2020, 09:11:45 am
I saw a mock that showed the Pack taking Josh Jones in the first round. I think the Bears have their eyes on Jones

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/14/chicago-bears-could-target-these-five-offensive-tackles-in-2020-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2020, 09:22:24 am
A prospect that has favorable mention here:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/15/chicago-bears-had-pre-draft-meeting-with-louisiana-lafayette-offensive-tackle-robert-hunt/

Small school prospects give me a worry when the competition gets tougher, like it did to Shaheen
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2020, 09:35:41 am
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-college-football-pff-2020-nfl-three-round-mock-draft-colts-jalen-hurts-eagles-jacob-eason

Wow. A CB and a Safety. Not an offensive draft for sure.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/14/chicago-bears-land-cornerback-safety-in-pro-football-focus-three-round-mock-draft-trevon-diggs-antoine-winfield-jr/

I'd take that.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 16, 2020, 07:30:23 pm
The Bears are going to **** up the draft.  It's a given.  We're talking about the CHICAGO BEARS.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 16, 2020, 08:27:37 pm
Pace's record in the draft is pretty miserable.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2020, 09:57:27 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/16/21221451/bears-nfl-draft-2020-analysis-select-cornerback-prince-amukamara-ryan-pace-kyle-fuller-buster-skrine
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2020, 05:31:43 pm
Bears release Burton increasing the odds they target a TE in the draft
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 17, 2020, 07:49:11 pm
been listening to locked on Bears draft podcasts on iheartradio.

The look a lot at mid/late round prospects which has me thinking it may be a good idea to trade one of the seconds or a late second and a third.

My sister is an Oregon State fan and talks up their QB Jake Luton.

He's big with a strong arm, leader, smart, doesn't turn over the ball.  His main fault is checking down rather than trusting his arm and what he sees downfield.  I think he's a good late round consideration.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 08:20:45 pm

Trade down early and often.

OK, maybe you get your sure thing stud at 43 but #50 could get two solid guys in the top 100.   TE now is looking more like its going to be one of those picks.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 17, 2020, 10:28:12 pm
Against trading down. Quality more important than quantity.

OL, TE, S, CB, WR, LB.

our OL stinks to high heaven, ignoring the problem won't make it go away. I'd pick OT over G. We lost Lucas and Massie was bad & Leno putrid.

TE, if a real good one is there in round 2 like Kmet take him, otherwise wait to a later round, but take one.

I'm actually Ok with Tolliver & Bush, but if a strong safety like Chin is there at 2 take him. SS has been a black hole.

We need another wr with some speed. Most teams line up with 3 wrs now & beyond Robinson & Miller we're weak.

We've lost our depth at LB.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 18, 2020, 08:02:08 am
Interesting talk here about what the Bears could do in the draft, not necessarily what they WILL do

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/18/21224252/bears-draft-2020-seven-round-mock-biggest-questions-ryan-pace-receiver-quarterback-cornerback-safety
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on April 19, 2020, 03:24:23 am
Against trading down. Quality more important than quantity.

Bears just have so many needs.  You've listed quite a few positions below and LB is actually 2 positions.   Quantity can help you better ensure you get a quality pick.  The draft is a crap shoot.   

OL, TE, S, CB, WR, LB.

Yep.  You only left off off QB, NT, and DE - lots of needs.

our OL stinks to high heaven, ignoring the problem won't make it go away. I'd pick OT over G. We lost Lucas and Massie was bad & Leno putrid.


I agree - I like getting a tackle and playing him inside initially.  Leno's and Massie's contracts almost guarantee they'll be starting the season at their positions.  We'll see if they can retain their spots.

TE, if a real good one is there in round 2 like Kmet take him, otherwise wait to a later round, but take one.

Kmet is the best of kind of a mixed bag.  With Burton gone I'm thinking the Bears snag a TE with a pick in the first 3 rounds.  Kmet is solid but not on par with the top TEs in previous years. 


I'm actually Ok with Tolliver & Bush, but if a strong safety like Chin is there at 2 take him. SS has been a black hole.

I like Tolliver too, but recall he was undrafted and has had only 2 career NFL starts.  Burns has some good game experience but had only 1 start last year and only 6 the year before.  And Canada guys are always long shots.  A corner might not be a bad pick if we can get another pick in the top 100.

We need another wr with some speed. Most teams line up with 3 wrs now & beyond Robinson & Miller we're weak.

Gabriel was the speed guy.  And he used it more to get open for short/intermediate stuff than for long plays.  Lots of depth at WR this year.  Maybe the Bears decide that a top flight WR is the guy they want at 43?   But they could take a project guy with speed later in the draft more likely.

We've lost our depth at LB.

Bears still have Joel Iyiegbuniwe.  He was bypassed by Kwiatowski and Pierre-Louis last year when the starters went down.  Bears will need to find an ILB late in the draft or an undrafted FA.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2020, 04:53:15 am
This mock has Kmet & Johnathan Taylor available with Bears 1st pick.

I know it's not a pressing need but Taylor is a freaking stud.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2020, 09:36:26 am
Really?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/17/2020-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-expected-to-trade-down-with-at-least-one-second-round-pick/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2020, 09:38:50 am
Kiper is never right. Consider the source.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/16/chicago-bears-mel-kiper-mock-draft-offensive-weapons-cole-kmet-kj-hamler/
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 19, 2020, 07:32:54 pm
For what it's worth...Jason LaCanfora just said that there is no way Robert Hunt gets past the Bears at 50.

I hope he's right.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 12:32:27 am

He's got great size and experience at LT, LG and RT.  He could be the starter at RG and eventually slide over to RT next year if needed.


Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 20, 2020, 08:14:38 am
His write-ups remind me of Quentin Nelson...he likes to punish his opposition all the way thru the whistle.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 12:40:17 pm

I don't watch a lot of college ball aside from the playoffs but I do watch every Texas football game the last 5 years or so.  This WR can absolutely fly (4.39)and he can catch (over 100 in 2019).  He's a little short and there's some complaints about his routes. I think he'll go around round 4.

Look him up:

Devin Duvernay, WR, Texas
He is a slot receiver who can fly. There is great value in that. At 5-10, he might not be able to move outside consistently, but he can run, especially when it comes to play speed. He is a solidly built player in the Tyreek Hill mold, but one who isn't quite as fast. But he has the speed to win on the next level.

I also like his counterpart at WR - but he had some injury issues and there's quesstions about his speed but he's 6-6 and can catch:  COLLIN JOHNSON
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 20, 2020, 12:46:42 pm
I've heard Duverney's name mentioned in some mock draft podcast.

At 5'10 I believe he's still 3 inches taller than Gabriel.

It's players like that which make me want to trade down one of the seconds for multiple picks.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 01:02:16 pm

Here's Prico's complete list of guys a bit off the radar:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/pete-priscos-2020-nfl-draft-better-than-team-20-guys-i-like-more-than-the-scouts-do/?fbclid=IwAR3GyZeK2sg6P6Xp5rlYnY7zQfr8r00BJ0dIMAjYtw5pi3puRWKfTU7J0ME

I like this guy too - maybe late 3rd - 4th:

Albert Okwuegbunam, TE, Missouri
When you watched Missouri play last season, Okwuegbunam stood out as a physical specimen. Yet the production wasn't there. He is long and looks the part and he can run with a 40 under 4.5. If he gets with the right team, he will be a big-time tight end on the next level. The talent is there. Like many good ones, he has a basketball background.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 20, 2020, 01:07:29 pm
That's where I saw Duvernay's name.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 20, 2020, 02:22:25 pm
I've taken both of those guys in several mocks.

The Missouri TE has fallen quite a bit since the combine, but he was a beast on the field.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2020, 04:55:47 pm
Wow, a CB and a SS in round 2. Never thought I'd hear that.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 20, 2020, 05:48:41 pm
When you look at the team as a whole I would say the single weakest area last year was OL followed closely by QB.

They could not score and there just wasn’t much of a receiver threat aside from Robinson until Miller came on the last 5 weeks

A couple of losses on defense are issues but at least have possible backup.

I think they have to pick at least one OL in the second round.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 10:05:08 pm

No disagreement.  The O-line should be addressed in round 2 or at least round 3 with a trade down.

And even though I'd love for the Bears to upgrade WR, especially since they lost Gabriel, I think TE was a huge reason for the drop in productivity of the offense, so I think that position could be addressed in rounds 2 thru 4.

But the defense especially in the back field needs to be addressed too.   Most like safety and I can see it, but in addition to replacing Amukamora the other concern at CB is Kyle Fuller  who is 28 - cornerbacks tend to disappear when they start approaching 30.

 And maybe you get a corner in round 2/3 and he doesn't beat out Toliver - maybe he can beat out Skrine.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 20, 2020, 10:12:13 pm
I'm thinking more & more that WR is a big need in Nagy's 3 WR offense.

I also think offensive help is a much greater need than defense.

I'm pretty much resigned to the idea that Pace will ignore the OL again. It's his history.

I'd be fine with TE & WR in 2nd round.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 21, 2020, 12:09:15 am
About face. LOL
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 21, 2020, 12:54:05 am
A trade down is a good idea. Get more picks!!
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 21, 2020, 08:09:10 am
Naysayers will love all the negativity:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/19/21226861/bears-win-now-mode-ryan-pace-draft-for-the-future
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 21, 2020, 03:11:05 pm

Trib/Briggs:

What positions do you see the Bears prioritizing in this draft? — @chicagosportsva

To follow up on the ending to the previous answer, if you’re evaluating needs above all else (including draft grades), it has to start at cornerback. The Bears need to replace Prince Amukamara as the starter opposite Kyle Fuller, and right now the options on the roster are Artie Burns, Kevin Toliver, Tre Roberson and possibly Duke Shelley, with Buster Skrine best-suited as a nickel corner and Shelley perhaps in that mold. Follow the money here. Burns signed a one-year contract for the minimum. Yes, he’s a former first-round draft pick of the Steelers, but a year ago Kevin White was a former first-round pick of the Bears and got above the minimum from the Cardinals. I’m not saying Burns will follow a similar path, but he was healthy and inactive for the final stretch of 2019 in Pittsburgh, much like White was with the Bears at the end of 2018. Toliver is a former undrafted free agent, and Roberson got $215,000 guaranteed to come over from the CFL.


If you’re building a defense from scratch, the position you prioritize first is a pass rusher. The next most important element is probably cornerback. This is a highly valued position, and I don’t see the Bears passing on a chance to add competition with a high draft pick there. I’ve gotten way more questions about the offensive line, wide receiver, tight end and running back than I have cornerback, but I can’t consider any of those positions a greater need than cornerback. What happens to the defense if Fuller goes down? The Bears are in a difficult spot then. Sure, you can say that about a lot of front-line players, but they were a little thin at cornerback last season and lucked out as they stayed mostly healthy. I believe cornerback has to be prioritized above all other positions.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 21, 2020, 03:27:53 pm
That doesnt surprise me about Briggs. But, in MHO CB is the most pressing.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 21, 2020, 04:17:26 pm

I (and I'm sure many here can also) can make an argument for the most pressing position bein a TE, OL, WR, QB, CB, or safety.

At least we're in good shape at kicker and punter.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 21, 2020, 04:21:38 pm
Yeah, I get it. We need about 6 QBs to have a chance we can finally make one work.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 21, 2020, 04:56:13 pm

We got 3 now - Tyler Bray is hoping we don't have 4 by this weekend.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 21, 2020, 05:03:22 pm
Why do I remember they cut both Bray and Daniel loose?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 21, 2020, 06:37:39 pm
Because they did...

They brought Bray back, though...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 21, 2020, 07:19:48 pm
last year the offense was putrid, they have to patch it up before worrying about the defense.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2020, 09:18:17 am
That might take 30 picks to improve. I dont see improving the offense as doable
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 22, 2020, 09:35:58 am
Chris Sims on his undervalued sleeper prospects:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWP8W0OchGk
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2020, 09:36:56 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/21/four-things-chicago-bears-should-do-in-2020-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

"Pace should try to trade one of those second-round picks to acquire additional picks — perhaps an extra selection in the third or fourth round that would allow them to nab a prospect that winds up falling in the draft — before their five selections in rounds 5-7. While Pace has had mixed results in the first round, Pace has found some gems in the later rounds."

Should they? Try? probably? Yes, Will they? Quien sabe. Again, Pace seems to like to trade up. Too difficult to predict.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 22, 2020, 09:58:38 am
And what exactly would we get, a bag of popcorn maybe????

Chicago Bears general manager Ryan Pace already admitted one mistake at tight end with the release of Trey Burton last Friday. Now, it appears that Pace might be looking to move on from another underperforming tight end.

According to former NFL front office executive and current league insider Michael Lombardi, Bears tight end Adam Shaheen is among several players on the trade block heading into the 2020 NFL Draft.


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Shaheen, a former second-round pick by Pace, has been a disappointment since entering the NFL in 2017. Once touted as “Baby Gronk,” Shaheen has struggled with injuries and, even when he was on the field, has been an overall disappointment.

There are many that believe that Shaheen faces an uphill battle to win a roster spot in camp, and his replacement might already be on the roster in free-agent acquisition Demetrius Harris, who Brad Biggs believes is the early favorite to win the in-line tight end job.

If Shaheen remains on the team heading into camp, he’ll certainly get an opportunity to compete. But he’ll need to stay healthy in order to do so.

In three seasons, Shaheen has just 26 catches for 249 yards and four touchdowns in 27 games. Not exactly the kind of production that reaffirms the Bears belief in him moving forward at a position that was of great concern last season.

Even with the release of Burton, the Bears still have nine tight ends on their roster — and it wouldn’t be a surprise if Pace targets another in the NFL Draft. Perhaps even Shaheen’s replacement. Paging Cole Kmet…
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2020, 11:15:38 am
Excuses? Sure sounds that way to me,

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/21/21230109/bears-ryan-pace-nfl-draft-decision-holes-to-fill

Maybe blind in one eye and cant see out of the other.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 22, 2020, 03:49:06 pm
My prediction:

Pace will select a defensive front 7 with the first pick
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 22, 2020, 05:07:26 pm

You can never go wrong with a quality pass rusher.  Quinn and Hicks are both 30.  Mack is 29.  If Pace goes strictly BPA maybe it could happen.

The rumor I'm hearing is the Bucs and Bears are talking about getting OJ Howard.  Bucs have Gronk.

I'd give up our 5th in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2020, 10:00:26 am
There are SOME good advice in this, especially #1

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/22/four-things-chicago-bears-ryan-pace-should-not-do-in-2020-nfl-draft/

But #1 is an obvious no-no.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2020, 10:16:02 am
From what I have been noticing is that all the players who are touted as potential #43 picks and ones talked about that have been approached by the Bears will likely be gone by #43.  Maybe they

should consider a tradedown there. Certainly after todays draft, the picture should be clearer.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 23, 2020, 10:26:57 am
Hey, Adam Shaheen is on the trade block! LOL! What is this, the Onion?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2020, 10:32:24 am
Cant play. Cant stay healthy enough to contribute. Another reason to be targeting a TE somewhere in this draft
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BearFan on April 23, 2020, 10:38:27 pm
Pack draft QB Jordan Love.  Wow.  No way 3 in a row.  Puckin’ Fackers  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: otto105 on April 23, 2020, 10:44:16 pm
I thought that GB would draft a QB in rounds 2-4, but I like that pick of Love.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 23, 2020, 10:47:35 pm
I just don't see Love as a starter.

I also think Herbert is a bit Trubisky-like.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 23, 2020, 10:56:20 pm
6 OTs taken with 3 picks to go.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 23, 2020, 11:31:26 pm
reaction to Packer's pick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WyAtNBa_-o
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2020, 11:52:41 pm
Yeah and traded up to take Love, to boot
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 23, 2020, 11:58:31 pm
Big run on CBs in round 1. Doesnt bode well for the Bears @ 43 Also a big run on OTs. That hurts the Bears. Jones is still there yet with 11 picks to go. So is the small school kid. Safety wasnt damaged
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 12:04:04 am
Would like to see Aaron Rogers reaction.

He needs offensive weapons and a right tackle.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 24, 2020, 12:10:38 am
If there is any goodness or justice left in the world, there is no f'n way that dogshit puke franchise could have 3 HOF QBs in a row.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 12:11:32 am
Would like to see Aaron Rogers reaction.

He needs offensive weapons and a right tackle.

ssshh. Dont tell the Pack or they'll trade up again.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: otto105 on April 24, 2020, 12:12:53 am
Low budget TV guys, Aaron Rogers is not playing until he's 42 years old. Additionally, when Aaron Rodgers has been hurt the back up position has been an issue.


Again, the Packer were in the NFC Championship game.





Next.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: otto105 on April 24, 2020, 12:14:13 am
VJ?

Dogshitt organization?

Who has MORE Super Bowls and NFL Championships?



Next
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 12:49:53 am
Low budget TV guys, Aaron Rogers is not playing until he's 42 years old. Additionally, when Aaron Rodgers has been hurt the back up position has been an issue.


Again, the Packer were in the NFC Championship game.





Next.

And does Jordan Love get them closer to winning the NFC Championship game next year or even the next year?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 01:09:18 am
TJ Lang tweeted "Can Jordan Love play WR for a few years?"
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 24, 2020, 01:22:46 am
@IanKenyonNFL
By the time Aaron Rodgers' contract is tradeable or cuttable, Green Bay will be deciding if they want to exercise Jordan Love's 5th year option.

Aaron Rodgers dead cap numbers
2020: $51.15 mil
2021: $31.55 mil
2022: $17.21 mil
2023: $2.85 mil
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 24, 2020, 07:18:59 am
One of the Bears Bar Room guys was saying that if Jordon Love fell to 43 he takes him in a second.  Had nothing but praise for the kid.  I sure hope he was wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 24, 2020, 07:52:03 am
So let's see....

Rookie Contract is 4 years...

1st round picks are expected to contribute NOW. 

Rodgers remaining contract is 4 years...

So are they planning on cutting Rodgers before his 4 years is up to put in the new guy?  Rodgers needs help now to win now.  Now way this doesn't get under his skin a little when he reads the tea leaves.  Especially when he is in the WIN NOW window.  As well as the rest of the team.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 07:55:59 am
https://www.insider.com/nfl-draft-best-players-available-round-2-3-2020-4#read-more-27
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 07:57:34 am
https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/04/nfl-draft-2020-ranking-40-best-available-players-on-day-2-dandre-swift-xavier-mckinney-tee-higgins-trevon-diggs-josh-jones-more.html
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 09:29:16 am
I stay away from Twitter but would love to see what Danica Patrick has to say
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 09:59:28 am
Lots of pass protecting tackles went in round 1 - not so many edge rushers and maybe 1 HB.

Got to hope more halfbacks go in early round 2 and give Bears a chance to get a stud at #43 and #50.  I still think a trade down of the #50 could end up landing the Bears 3 of these players in rounds 2 and 3:

CBs
Kristian Fulton CB LSU
Trevon Diggs CB  BAMA
Jaylon Johnson  CB  UTAH
Cameron Dantzler CB Miss St

O-Line
Josh Jones T Houston
Robert Hunt T Louisiana
John Simpson G CLEMSON
Ezra Cleveland T BOISE STATE
Lucas Niang T TCU

Safety
Xavier Mckinney    ALABAMA
Antoine Winfield Jr.  MINNESOTA
Kyle Dugger LENOIR-RHYNE
Terrell Burgess UTAH
Ashtyn Davis  CALIFORNIA
Grant Delpit  LSU
Jeremy Chinn SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

TE
Cole Kmet ND
Harrison Bryant FL Atlantic
Adam Trautman Dayton
Devin Asiasi USC

WR
Michael Pittman USC
Tee Higgins Clemson
Laviska Shenault Jr.   COLORADO         
Bryan Edwards      WR   South Carolina
Denzel Mims      WR   BAYLOR         
K.J. Hamler      WR   PENN STATE         


All these guys have at least 3rd round grades.

Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 10:07:30 am
Cushenberry OL from LSU should be listed.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 10:12:19 am
No way Diggs slides to 43.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 10:24:51 am
Nice list Dallas, TYVM
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 10:30:38 am
My favorites  for 43? Diggs would be #1 Why? We  should be desperate for a CB. Huge hole. And you cant go into game one with that kind of hole.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: joki13 on April 24, 2020, 10:43:23 am
  I'd love to see us land either Joshua Jones tackle out of Houston or Robert Hunt tackle out of Louisiana Layfayette.  Jones most likely will be gone,but,Hunt really can manhandle his opponent. Then hopefully the best CB or safety at #50.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 10:56:14 am
Cushenberry OL from LSU should be listed.

Grade wise you are correct - he's 2nd/3rd round talent easily.  I didn't list centers.  But its quite possible he could slide to guard.

I think you grab the best player you want at #43 and trade down and pick two from this list.  Lots of guys with similar grades from multiple need positions.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 11:10:46 am
Diggs or Fulton at 43, Hunt at 50, and let's go to war!
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 11:13:22 am
Yeah, agreed. I get all those positioning for this or that position I get Jones or Hunt. A case could be made for a #1 speed receiver to bust up the nine in the box defenses too. But say we are lined up against the Pack in game one. The first defensive play of the game is a Rodgers pass to the right side hole.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: otto105 on April 24, 2020, 11:30:19 am
A 13-3 Record isn't winning now?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 11:50:18 am

I can agree with you and I can disagree.

I'll disagree as its more fun.

Bears gave up 10 and 21 points in the two games against the Pack.  If Tolliver/Burns is equal to Amukamora and Quinn should be better than Floyd, I can live giving up an average of 15 points a game against the Pack.

We needed a better offense to beat the Pack.    Can that be done by an improved Trubisky or move to Foles at QB?  And/or do we need a better O-line?  And/Or more firepower at WR and TE? 

A case could be made for getting a fast WR, an offensive lineman and a corner in the top 100 - but we have to trade down.  I think the talent at TE beyond the ND kid doesn't warrant a top 100 pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 12:05:17 pm
4th or 5th would be TE time not top 100. But WR in a rich WR class will sure help us. Yeah I can see a trade down. I hate to bring up that trade where we gave up that 4th. Did we get value for that,sure. Did we need that? Yeah, no question. IMHO what we need now is picks in a quality draft and we dont have them. Time to drink your coffee and wake up.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 12:11:53 pm
A 13-3 Record isn't winning now?

If you’re happy losing in the playoffs, fine.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 12:41:04 pm
4th or 5th would be TE time not top 100. But WR in a rich WR class will sure help us. Yeah I can see a trade down. I hate to bring up that trade where we gave up that 4th. Did we get value for that,sure. Did we need that? Yeah, no question. IMHO what we need now is picks in a quality draft and we dont have them. Time to drink your coffee and wake up.

On the subject of trading for veteran players with draft picks.  The Raiders had our first round pick - #19 and picked Damon Arnette.  He was ranked the 13th best CB.  He's a solid zone corner but probably could have been taken well into round 2. 

I have a buddy that's a Raider fan - I'll be following tihs guy's career.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2020, 12:55:10 pm
I just think that if you are going to put Farty Arty or some UDFA out there to stop Adams or someone other cheese head you are asking for trouble, a lot of trouble....like 3 or 4 TDs
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 01:47:41 pm

I've been on the CB bandwagon for some time.  And next to edge pass rusher its the most important position on defense.

You can help out a weak corner but generally they're on an island.

I don't know what the Bears think of Tolliver, Fartie Artie and the Canadien immigrant.  We'll find out in a few hours.

Right now I"m leaning toward corner and tackle in round 2 - anything extra WR possibly safety.

Of course Pace will probably announce an edge rusher at #43.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 04:29:23 pm

Lance Zierlen who does most of scouting reports for the top nfl.com rookies has the Bears taking:

#43 Antoine Winfield  S
#50  Denzel Mims       WR

These are two fine players that most fans would be good with but there's still a lot of talent in round 3 and into 4.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: joki13 on April 24, 2020, 04:36:08 pm
  Dave23 I like your scenario of Diggs(CB) at 43 and Hunt(OT) at 50. Probably the most plausible filling important needs.I will say I really like the stats and tape of Jeremy Chinn(S).I'm not excited about Fulton(CB). He's got some decent tape,but,he only had 2 int in his career. I would expect better than that.
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Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 04:36:58 pm
I'd be very happy with a S & WR. I'd expect both to start.

From what I've seen I like Tolliver as a starter more than Bush, but the coaches will know better than I.

I do know that after these 2 picks we have little hope for an impact NFL quality guy in 5 thru 7 rounds.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 04:39:40 pm
NE has the 7, 17, 33 picks in round 3 and has been a trading partner with Pace in the past
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 05:28:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ahOlJ1F8yw
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 06:22:03 pm
Awwww I was kind of hoping Michael Pittman would be an option for us.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 06:33:44 pm

No way.  Pittman was first round talent and Higgins is early 2nd round.

There's more than 32 first rounders - 2nd round is loaded.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 06:47:53 pm
Miami takes Hunt at 39.

Damn.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 06:52:13 pm

Yep.

Here's who's left:

Trevon Diggs
Jaylon Johnson
Antoine Winfield
Josh Jones
Cole Kmet
Denzel Mims

Come on folks take some HBs.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 24, 2020, 06:56:37 pm
Winfield it is I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 06:58:25 pm

Could be ...but I like Mims...I just like big fast wideouts.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 24, 2020, 07:00:00 pm
TE
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 07:00:29 pm
Kmet.

Can’t say I’m shocked...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 07:00:47 pm
So much for BPA...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 24, 2020, 07:08:27 pm
1 million percent need pick all the way, a #2 or 1B TE...

while Tampa Bay gets a plug and play starter day 1...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 24, 2020, 07:11:53 pm
I like Kmet's upside, he'll be a solid Y for us when he gets his blocking game to NFL level, but I don't think he'll help out much next year.  I would think that this means they have to go DB at 50 and get a starter quality guy at S or CB.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 24, 2020, 07:14:32 pm
The worst organization in professional sports.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 07:14:51 pm
Which means no help on the O line until the 5th...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 07:15:02 pm
There's still some studs left...its really tough to trade down with so much quality left in 2nd round.

You never know who may be sitting there....
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 24, 2020, 07:17:18 pm
There's no aspect of the Chicago Bears organization that isn't absolutely awful.

Pace should be shot in the head with a large caliber firearm.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 07:20:29 pm
Is he gonna panic and take Chinn since all the other safeties are flying off the board?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 24, 2020, 07:21:28 pm
Whatever the worst decision is, Pace is going to make it.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 07:22:10 pm
Why or why do you come here?   

Kmet was a little bit of a reach but not much...TE was arguably the weakest position on the team last year.  It's not a bad pick just a solid pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 07:23:00 pm
I told you guys a long time ago about Kmet. He missed the 1st 2 games with a broken collarbone & when he came back the difference in the offense was striking. Big, fast, good hands.

downside - doesn't break a lot of tackles, injury worries.

good player.

we need a WR.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 07:26:06 pm

I remember long time ago another TE that just didn't break a lot of tackles in Chicago.  Bears traded him and many here said good riddance.

Greg Olsen.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 24, 2020, 07:26:53 pm
I wouldn't be mad if they took mims, Dobbins or Jones at 50.  I think it will be a DB though.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 07:27:34 pm
Lots O corners available....I still like Mims.

Josh Jones could be the pick if not the corner.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on April 24, 2020, 07:27:53 pm
Is that okie an still out there’?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 07:29:07 pm
Jaylen Johnson at 50
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 24, 2020, 07:32:08 pm
I like Jaylin Johnson.  Good pick as long as his shoulder holds up
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 07:32:45 pm
Kiper said he was the best corner available in round 2.

5th round is long long ways away.   Oh well.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 07:33:00 pm
Johnson - 4.5 in 40. not special.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2020, 07:38:52 pm
And Diggs to Dallas with the very next pick...

fml
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 24, 2020, 07:39:38 pm
Daniel Jeremiah has him as the third best corner and his mock had him going to the Vikings at 22
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 07:41:30 pm
4.5 is average, but he's quick with good 3 cone drill of 7.01 and 20 shuttle at 4.13.   Plus a 36.5 vertical.   

He's a big press corner.

Lance Zierlen:

Boundary bully with an improving skill set to clamp down on WR1s and limit their exposure to the football. Johnson is built for press, with the size, length and athleticism to force receivers to work harder getting into their routes. His eagerness to stay tight to the route leads to inconsistent balance and positioning from time to time, but his foot quickness and agility allow for rapid recoveries. He's equipped to play the deep ball but needs to fully prove himself in that area. He's a physical press corner with off-man ability whose anticipation and ball skills should continue to help him make plays as a CB1 and first-round pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 07:44:02 pm
  had surgery to repair that torn right labrum on March 4.


we would draft a guy that just had surgery.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 24, 2020, 08:49:33 pm
I was big on Kmet until I saw the highlights of Hopkins.  And a CB who has had surgery 3/4 last years???   In the second round we are picking someone with injury questions????  Pace has to go, sorry.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2020, 11:09:20 pm
think I heard Johnson had 2 surgeries on the L shoulder & the last one on the right shoulder.

remember that both guys the Bears drafted were 21 yr old juniors. I don't know if that's a plus or a minus.

Packers picked AJ Dillon from Boston College - best power back in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 24, 2020, 11:25:09 pm
I was big on Kmet until I saw the highlights of Hopkins.  And a CB who has had surgery 3/4 last years???   In the second round we are picking someone with injury questions????  Pace has to go, sorry.

Brycen Hopkins?  Has he even been drafted yet?   Maybe tomorrow.

Flex tight end with enough route acumen and separation quickness to open throwing windows, but modest ball skills and below-average hands can turn potential completions into drops. Hopkins' issue with catch consistency has been ongoing and is unlikely to change as a pro. While the athletic talent looks good in space, there was a noticeable drop in production and opportunities when matched against man-cover talent. Hopkins could be viewed as a one-dimensional slot tight end with Day 3 draft potential, but his issues as a pass-catcher could limit his long-term prospects.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 24, 2020, 11:52:46 pm
Draft profile from the athletic, these tend to be rather harsh:

3. JAYLON JOHNSON, Utah (6-0, 193, 4.51, 1-2): Johnson is a third-year junior, two-year starter at LC. “Good man press corner,” said one scout. “Little bit less effective in off. Has size and length. Needs to get a little bit stronger. He’s a little bit lean. He had a shoulder earlier in the year so his tackling was off. I think he’s faster than he ran. I could see him at the end of the first.” Johnson underwent surgery in March for a torn labrum after being injured in September. It was his third shoulder operation. “Other than the shoulder, he’s clean,” a second scout said. “His game’s not strength. It’s his coverage. I think the dude can really cover. He doesn’t show lack of willingness or any inconsistency as a tackler.” He finished with 102 tackles, seven picks and 28 passes defensed. “He’s a stiff player that tends to play high,” a third scout said. “He’s out of balance at the top of routes. When he’s playing off he has dirty eyes. Average to below tackler. He does not hunt the ball. He lacks change of direction when playing off. Good ball production. Does a nice job when matched up with large receivers. He’ll go in the first or second. Would I take him there? No.” Johnson posted a Wonderlic of 21 and is from Fresno, Calif.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 24, 2020, 11:54:00 pm
1. COLE KMET, Notre Dame (6-5 ½, 262, 4.68, 1-2): Kmet reminded one scout of ex-Cowboy Jason Witten (6-5 ½, 260, 4.67). “If you want an all-around guy, kind of a Kyle Rudolph-type guy, he’s it,” said another scout. “He’s faster than Kyle, but he doesn’t have the ball skills. He’s had some durability issues. He’s got great intangibles. He can run. He can catch. He doesn’t have an elite trait but you really love the body type and everything about him.” Third-year junior with 60 catches (43 in 2019) for 691 (11.5) and six TDs. “He’s not a talent like Vernon Davis or Evan Engram,” a third scout said. “He’s more of a throwback, classic Y tight end. He’s solid. He won’t fail.” From Lake Barrington, Ill. “I don’t see a great blocker and I don’t see a great receiver,” said a fourth scout. “I see a guy that’s more of a U. I don’t see a great Y. He reminds me a lot of the (Drew) Sample guy that came out last year out of Washington and plays with the Bengals. Some of the workout (numbers) were better than the player he is. I don’t see first round. I think he’s always going to be a solid No. 2 (tight end), maybe a good No. 3.” Wonderlic of 28.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 25, 2020, 01:00:29 am

A good #3?  Shoot, we already have half a dozen of them already.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 25, 2020, 06:24:11 am
This is the Bears who have been cursed at TE since Ditka and cursed at QB since the modern era began......

How an organization can be so bad at evaluating these two positions for so long is mind boggling. Its either extreme bad luck or intentional stupidity :D
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 25, 2020, 09:38:45 am
I watched the highlight reel on Kmet and liked what I saw.  Then I watched the highlight reel on Hopkins, and it was stunning catch and running.  I guess you can believe what someone wrote up or you can go with what you see with your eyes.  That is why I like the Tape Never Lies.  I look forward to hear their breakdown on Kmet. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 25, 2020, 10:06:43 am

The Bears badly needed a cornerback that has the capability of starting right away and Jaylon Johnson has a chance to do exactly that. The Utah cornerback got on the field early as a freshman and became a two-year starter before skipping his team’s bowl game this past season and declaring for the draft. At 5-11, 193 pounds with a 74 3/8 wingspan, Johnson has ideal NFL size and could have been a first round pick if not for lingering shoulder issues.

Strengths: Johnson has outstanding ball skills and great feet to move smoothly in tight coverage. His long arms pop on the tape, especially in man-to-man coverage. He tracks the ball in flight and delivered seven interceptions in his college career, returning two for touchdowns. Johnson has the speed to close and recover. He’s a very competitive player and not afraid to come up in run support. Against USC in 2019, Michael Pittman essentially avoided Johnson's side and did his damage against other defenders. Though Johnson  played on the left side of Utah's defense the majority of the time, he started to shadow opposing No. 1 wideouts mid-way through the 2019 season and showed he could play both sides in the Pac 12 title game. As a bonus, he’s young, having just turned 21 earlier this week.

Weaknesses: Johnson takes chances and sometimes he gets burned as a result. Penalties have been an issue. Three shoulder surgeries, including one after the Combine are a concern, but also contributed to him being available to the Bears at No. 50.

Ryan Pace's take: “Jaylon has a really good combination of size, athleticism and awareness. He’s that physical, press corner that uses his size really well. He uses his strength to his advantage, to re-route receivers. Jaylon is a really intelligent player, plays the game with excellent instincts and awareness, and you can see it in the way he plays. And Jaylon’s another guy with outstanding football makeup, really high football character. This is a guy who is driven and passionate. (There are) a lot of stories about his work ethic and just his professional approach to the game. So we feel real strong about the physical talent but also the makeup."
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 25, 2020, 10:09:31 am
The Bears filled their tight end need with a hometown prospect that was once a possibility to be drafted by the White Sox. The Lake Barrington native was a star football and baseball player at St. Viator and he went on to play both sports at Notre Dame. In 2019, Kmet decided to focus solely on football and had a big junior season, catching 43 passes for 515 yards and six touchdowns before turning pro.

Strengths: Kmet is a well-rounded tight end with the upside to get stronger and better now that he is focusing solely on football. He tested well at the Combine and looks smooth in his routes as a natural pass-catcher. He’s got great size and a catch radius the Bears need at the position. The intangibles are off the charts. Ryan Pace will almost certainly declare that Kmet fits his “Bears box,” checking every box on-and-off the field.

Weaknesses: Kmet’s blocking needs improvement. He won’t be the fastest or most sudden tight end in the NFL. At the Combine, he drifted away from the football in the gauntlet drill, suggesting he can do a better job of attacking the ball in the air. Not that it’s a bad thing, but Kmet is more Kyle Rudolph than he is George Kittle.

Ryan Pace's take: "This is really your classic ‘Y’ tight end, with the prototypical size and athleticism we look for in the position. He’s a big target, natural hands. He’s really tough after the catch and he has the strength and temperament we want in the run game. And we feel his blocking is still improving, so there’s a lot of upside in that area. With Cole splitting time between baseball and football early in his college career, he’s still a young player with a lot of upside. And then you go beyond the physical traits, just the outstanding makeup and the character."
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 25, 2020, 01:33:38 pm
Bears trade up to 155...

Trevis Gipson - DE - Tulsa
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 25, 2020, 01:34:11 pm
Bears trade up and take trevis gipson.  Athletic but raw DE.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 25, 2020, 01:55:53 pm
163 - Kindle Vildor - CB - Georgia Southern

Bears gave a 2021 4th rounder to get the Gipson draft spot.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 25, 2020, 01:57:03 pm
I would have taken Prince Tega or Netani Mute...but who needs OLmen anyway?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 25, 2020, 02:19:48 pm

Developmental.  Quick.  5th ranked DE but I think he projects to OLB to backup Quinn and Mack

Overview
He's quite raw and in the dead center of his developmental phase, but it's hard not to get excited by the traits and flashes. Gipson was a late bloomer so he is still a little behind in his fundamentals and technique. He doesn't have go-to moves and counters, but the rush is real with a long, explosive first step and the athleticism and length to win the edge and harass the pocket. He needs better hand usage and lower body strength to handle himself at the point of attack, but he is a rangy tackler. Gipson isn't NFL-ready yet, but he's a potential diamond in the rough as a long-limbed defensive end in odd or even fronts.


NFL Comparison
Roy Robertson-Harris
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 25, 2020, 02:31:30 pm
Traded up again for 4.38 WR from Tulane small guy

Rated 140th player on Jaermiahs board
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 25, 2020, 02:41:40 pm
They should have been trading down to acquire picks but that's the Bears for ya.....
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2020, 04:59:54 pm
Bears are finished in the 7th and still no SS. Strange. Quien sabe! UDFA?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2020, 05:05:09 pm
OG and OT in the 7th. Woo Hoo.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2020, 05:08:25 pm
And besides the 4th next year what else did Pace give up to do all that moving crap?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 26, 2020, 07:03:36 am
All in all, we did not have a great hand entering FA or the draft.  I don't have a problem with moving up in the later rounds and giving up even later picks to do so.  Occasionally, you have a later draft choice make the team, but to move up, I don't think the price was too high.  Quality over quantity.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2020, 08:05:27 am
What bugs me the most is they didnt find a replacement for Haha
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 26, 2020, 01:47:01 pm
7th round linemen.....meh. Not impressed. Makes one wonder if they take the Oline seriously enough....
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 26, 2020, 09:40:14 pm

We knew Pace wasn't going to fill every hole.  He did get a future starting Y tight end, he got a speed receiver, he got a backup OLB, he got a starting RCB.

I think he's fine with a dozen or so it seems right guards to compete with Efedi for that spot.  We got to hope Leno and Massie can rebound from a subpar 2019 and Spriggs is healthy to be the swing tackle.

I'm surprised they haven't signed a dozen undrafted free agent safeties to compete with Deon Bush.  That spot looks like it needs some attention...this year.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 26, 2020, 09:55:36 pm
Last year it was said Bush was the best player in camp but he got nicked and Dix started.

May not be as bad off as everyone thinks
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 26, 2020, 10:29:45 pm

Bush held his own against the Eagles in the playoff game when Jackson was injured.  You could see the Bears were trying to get Busch some snaps in 2019 with the starters subbing in for Clinton-Dix.

Then he gets victimized by Jimmy Graham and everyone's asking why was Bush in there?

He's probably going to be OK but with addition of the 2 rookies at corner, strong safety is probably the weakest position on defense.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 08:52:19 am
I'm surprised they haven't signed a dozen undrafted free agent safeties to compete with Deon Bush.

Its more like shocked with me.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 09:11:24 am
I just cant visualize Bush as our starting SS without cringing
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 11:05:20 pm
IMHO this is a must read if you are a Bears fan:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/27/21238716/bears-spotlight-juan-castillo

On the much maligned offensive line: The Bears are counting on Castillo to make the difference. Pace didn’t even have to be asked about seventh-round draft picks Arlington Hambright and

Lachavious Simmons to tout Castillo’s impact.

   “[Simmons’] size and length jumps out. He’s got 35-inch arms,” Pace said. “These are the type of guys that Juan Castillo loves to work with, just that body type.”

And when asked about free agents Ifedi and former Packers tackle Jason Spriggs, Pace again referred to Castillo as the key.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 27, 2020, 11:44:26 pm

Pace better hope Castillo not only coaches up these new Bears but he better be able to do the same with the rest of the guys on that underperforming O-line.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 28, 2020, 06:56:13 am
On the Bears Barroom they were saying that Castillo will get the best out of the OL.  They said that Heistand was such a great teacher, but then he couldnt even get Bars, who played for him, in the game, not even the last week.  I just hope that Castillo, if he sees someone underperforming,cough Leno, cough Leno, cough Leno, he wont hesitate to sit him/kick him in the assss.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: BearHit on April 28, 2020, 08:22:07 am
referred to Castillo as the key - or FALL GUY
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 08:36:49 am
Pace better hope Castillo not only coaches up these new Bears but he better be able to do the same with the rest of the guys on that underperforming O-line.

Yup, and we have to know that the Bears are counting on that. As I said for a long time Harry Hiestand was the problem. Castillo's task is to rebuild the confidence in that line.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 09:29:03 am
And you can take this for what its worth:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/six-takeaways-chicago-bears-2020-nfl-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 10:03:33 am
Lachavious Simmons: "I’m a bloody your nose type of guy on the field."

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/five-things-to-know-chicago-bears-offensive-linemen-arlington-hambright-lachavious-simmons/

Thats the kind of guy that has to make the roster. He'll be one I'll be pulling for.

  “[Simmons’] size and length jumps out. He’s got 35-inch arms,” Pace said. “These are the type of guys that Juan Castillo loves to work with, just that body type.”

Even more reason to be pulling for Simmons
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 10:14:31 am
Also I have posted this before and I'll repeat it. Pace comes to us from New Orleans. Their scheme for Oline is to take UDFA's or late round draft picks and train them up. Looks like thats the plan here.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on April 28, 2020, 11:47:20 am
Heistand isn't a slouch OL guy, so not impressed with just saying Castillo can flip things around. They need better personnel IMO...much better.....
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 12:18:42 pm
How many 1srs has Nola invested in to protect Brees? Without actual knowledge likely zero.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 28, 2020, 05:13:26 pm

The Saints O-line for the most part are high draft picks now:

Terron Armstead - 3rd round 2013
Andrus Peat   - 1st round 2015
Erik McCoy-       - 2rd round 2019
Larry Warford   - 2nd round 2013 (FA/Detroit)
Ryan Ramczyk    - 1st round 2017

We know that Whitehair and Daniels are 2nd rounders, but Bobby Massie was a Cardinals 4th rounder and Charles Leno a 7th rounder.

You'll be hard pressed to find any 7th round left tackles in the NFL.  Those guys are usually high draft choices.  Did you see the run on tackles in the draft last week?
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 28, 2020, 05:49:37 pm
I'm surprised Pace didn't go OL in the fifth.

Still need ILB, SS, possible OG as back ups. 

They have about $10mil cap space about half needed for draft picks.  I'm sure pace will sign some inexpensive veterans before camp.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 28, 2020, 07:22:26 pm

Yep, Pace just signed DL Jenkins today. 

There are a few big names being released after the draft.  ILB depth is a concern as is safety as you pointed out.  I think we're OK at guard but if there's someone special...why not?

I'd like to see another tackle to compete with Spriggs.  Bars may be projecting to outside - he played a lot of LT in the Bears last preseason game but RT might be an option.

WR could use more depth...maybe HB too. 

I think we're good at TE - looks like the rookie FA Ahmad Wagner from Kentucky (6-5 235 4.54 40) who also played basketball at Iowa before tranferring is being moved to TE.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 08:51:37 pm
The Saints O-line for the most part are high draft picks now:

Terron Armstead - 3rd round 2013
Andrus Peat   - 1st round 2015
Erik McCoy-       - 2rd round 2019
Larry Warford   - 2nd round 2013 (FA/Detroit)
Ryan Ramczyk    - 1st round 2017

We know that Whitehair and Daniels are 2nd rounders, but Bobby Massie was a Cardinals 4th rounder and Charles Leno a 7th rounder.

You'll be hard pressed to find any 7th round left tackles in the NFL.  Those guys are usually high draft choices.  Did you see the run on tackles in the draft last week?

This is a relatively new thing with NOLA I wasnt aware of that.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 28, 2020, 10:13:22 pm

I think 2 or 3 years ago they had some lower round guys on the o-line - probably when Pace was there.

Odds are just so low finding a 7th rounder or UDFA eventually starting.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2020, 07:01:25 am
Well it sure looks like Pace found a gem in Simmons
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2020, 07:15:39 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/28/21239765/bears-free-agency-2020-undrafted-sign-11-ledarius-mack-ahmad-wagner-trevor-mcswain-artavis-pierce
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2020, 10:04:47 am
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2020/4/28/21239776/chicago-bears-sign-11-undrafted-free-agent-udfa-diamond-gem-dieter-eiselen-yale-lacale-london-wiu

The G from Yale sure likes to make the pancake blocks.  Put him in coach.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2020, 10:43:54 am
Well it sure looks like Pace found a gem in Simmons

That's what Pace was saying about Adam Shaheen.  When you watch the hilights you have to consider the level of competition these guys are facing. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: joki13 on April 29, 2020, 11:01:45 am
 Boogie,I think you may be right about Eiselen of Yale. That guy is a brute. He doesn't stop blocking till he puts his man to the ground. He moves down field well also. Just holds those blocks till the whistle blows. Displays some nastiness,maybe from his rugby years? He's got to be well conditioned cuz at 310lbs I see no signs of a gut. Maybe Pace lucked out.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2020, 01:18:47 pm
That's what Pace was saying about Adam Shaheen.  When you watch the hilights you have to consider the level of competition these guys are facing.

Simmons has the body, its Castillo's job to find out. And yeah, Tennessee State isnt Ohio State but the competition is greater than the school that Shaheen went to. And just to set you straight

Tennessee State is the same school Richard Dent went to. So in the words of the immortal Mike Ditka, Who are you crapping?
 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2020, 01:46:11 pm
Simmons has the body, its Castillo's job to find out. And yeah, Tennessee State isnt Ohio State but the competition is greater than the school that Shaheen went to. And just to set you straight

Tennessee State is the same school Richard Dent went to. So in the words of the immortal Mike Ditka, Who are you crapping?

First of all, you can't count on any rookie being worth a damn.  I can give you a list from players taken in the first round every year (unfortunatey Bear fans know this list too well).

Secondly,  looks can be deceiving.   Ever hear the line "Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane"?

Third, kids from smaller schools  have a harder time making it in the NFL.  It happens like Dent in 1983, but its just not very common.

Every team (and ever fan) thinks they just drafted or signed 10 or 12 potential starters.   Depth charts look the best this time of year.

Now having said all that - hell yeah I'm looking forward to Simmons as I am all the guys the Bears have drafted/signed.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2020, 02:05:21 pm
Again I repeat, its what the player has. And its Castillo's job to get it out of him if he has it. And NO, I never considered Simmons to be a starter this year and NO I never said that. And Yeah just making the roster being depth is a start in the right direction.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2020, 05:12:58 pm

I doubt any of the rookies drafted or undrafted start day 1.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2020, 08:52:34 pm
me either.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 30, 2020, 04:50:40 am
I think Kmet and Johnson will both be starting if we have a full training camp.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2020, 08:04:36 am
Its possible, especially Johnson. More likely they will ease them in giving starters a rest
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 11:27:00 am

On defense, corner is one of the easiest positions to start a rookie.  But I think Tolliver has paid his dues and will get the nod.  Plus with all the 4 and 5 WR sets Johnson will get his opportunties.  And Johnson is coming off that labrum surgery but I've heard the Bears say he will be fine by the start of the season.   

Where have we heard that before?

Kmet just turned 21 - may take him a while to absorb the playbook, plus I heard he has a ways to go as a blocker.   But I don't know that Graham is known as a good blocker either but most likely will be able to pickup the offense faster.  Plus with dual TE formations Kmet will have his opportunities.   

Not worried about either of these guys' playing time.  I'm hoping Mooney and Gipson can be part of the rotations.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 30, 2020, 01:41:49 pm
Stacey Dales was just on NFLN reporting that the Bears are hoping to use Mooney the same way the Chiefs use Tyreek Hill...
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 02:54:05 pm

Easier said....

And you just know Nagy's gonna call a bunch of passes to Mooney along the line of scrimmage. 
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 30, 2020, 02:59:19 pm
Easier said....

And you just know Nagy's gonna call a bunch of passes to Mooney along the line of scrimmage.

Uggghh don’t remind me, after the 1 yard run comes the sideways pass then 3rd and 7
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 03:25:56 pm

Sadly we know him too well.  My favorite...3rd and 1...shotgun and empty or near empty backfield.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2020, 04:11:02 am
Stop!
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2020, 04:12:21 am
Or the 3rd quarter drive with a heavy mix of I formation and play action.  Leads to a score, and then put all of that away for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2020, 06:34:00 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/1/21243750/bears-free-agency-draft-2020-biggest-questions-jaylon-johnson-qb-mitch-trubisky-ryan-pace-cole-kmet
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 10:41:43 am
Looky what I found:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/04/chicago-bears-early-look-quarterbacks-to-target-2021-nfl-draft/

Apparently we didnt find one "suitable" in this years draft and we bought (brought) in Foles this year. We bought in time.
Title: Re: 2020 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 04, 2020, 10:14:03 pm
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2020/5/1/21244845/schmitzs-review-of-the-chicago-bears-2020-draft-class-video-cole-kmet-jaylon-johnson-darnell-mooney