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Title: Today's Game 2020
Post by: mO on February 21, 2020, 01:48:45 pm
Play ball!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on February 22, 2020, 01:36:51 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 02:44:38 pm
Marquee App on Apple TV is broadcasting in 4K so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on February 22, 2020, 04:02:27 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  2h
Andy Green acting manager. Ross down with a case of the flu

Rizzo also under the weather
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 22, 2020, 05:32:01 pm
Better test them for Corona
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 06:45:37 pm
I’m testing a few myself...

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 06:58:40 pm
Skunked beer should be banned.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:16:25 pm
Corona is my go-to cheap beer...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:16:41 pm
On topic, that intro video was awesome!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:27:37 pm
18 pitches for Mills in the 1st...3-1 groundout, 3u liner, walk on a 3-2 pitch, and FD9.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:29:23 pm
Cotton was warming up...assuming he has the 2nd...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:34:03 pm
AJ Puk for Oakland...

KB strikes out on 3 pitches, Rizzo grounds out, Baez walks on a 3-2 pitch (wasn’t close), Heyward F7...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:37:21 pm
Taylor MacGregor is nice, but I’ll miss Kelly Crull...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 22, 2020, 07:38:14 pm
Contreras kills one
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:40:59 pm
Cotton gets a 4-3 GO, an F9, and a 1-6-3 GO off his leg.

Stuff looked good...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:42:19 pm
I’m a little behind since I rewound and watched the intro video again...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 07:49:08 pm
Baseball in 4K is nice.

Corona is my go-to cheap beer...

Seems off brand.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 07:58:42 pm
Contreras bomb to LCF, Kipnis F8, Souza 4-3 GO, Bote GB single up the middle, Almora flare double into RCF gap...Bote to 3B, Bryant single thru the 5.5 hole drives in 2...takes 2nd on throw home, Rizzo walk, pitching change, Baez 6-4 FO.

3-0 Cubs thru 2
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 08:07:35 pm
Underwood for the 3rd...Baez E6 (throw), line single to RF, wild pitch advances runner to 3rd, but Contreras nails runner going to 2nd, K swinging, 4-3 GO
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 08:20:58 pm
Rex Brothers still can’t through a strike.

I still think Underwood should start out in the pen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on February 22, 2020, 08:33:23 pm
Rex Brothers still can’t through a strike.

I still think Underwood should start out in the pen.

Since a lot of these bullpen candidates don't have much of a track record, the tiebreaker should be in favor of the guys who are out of options - Mills, Sadler, Underwood.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 22, 2020, 09:24:11 pm
Mark Grace's favorite junk food is Tootsie Rolls.

Give me Reese's Cups.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 09:53:29 pm
Jason Adam looks a lot like Rowan Wick.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on February 22, 2020, 10:09:56 pm
Jason Adam looks a lot like Rowan Wick.

Just looking at his stats, they seem pretty good. How did he become available to the Cubs?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 10:17:11 pm
The Blue Jays dropped him from their 40 man for some reason.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 22, 2020, 10:31:49 pm
Cubs win, Cubs win!  Did any of the pitchers look impressive? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on February 22, 2020, 10:32:10 pm
Cubs win 12-2 as Dakota Mekkes comes in to get the last three outs.

Giambrone hit a pretty impressive homer in the bottom of the eighth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 22, 2020, 10:33:33 pm
Dakota looked pretty good.  Of course, like almost everyone, he was facing other minor leaguers.  But his control looked decent, and no one hit him hard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 22, 2020, 10:45:17 pm
So glad baseball's back.

Now if I can only make it till March 17th when The Show comes out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 22, 2020, 11:10:06 pm
Cubs win, Cubs win!  Did any of the pitchers look impressive? 

Olson was the only clunker.

Mills is Mills.
Underwood in my opinion has something more.
Norwood just gets hit harder than his stuff should be.
Adams is gonna be a dude.
Mekkes looks like an option at some point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2020, 11:53:10 pm
Pretty sure the gun was off all night long...by quite a bit...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 23, 2020, 10:14:10 am
I think Adam has a shot at the Cishek role.  sixth or seventh inning guy, with a little upside if those above are hurt or tired.

I think we will get better performance out of Mills than we did out of Montgomery.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 23, 2020, 11:26:54 am
Arizona Phil has velocities from yesterday.

Mekkes topped out at 96
Norwood 96-99
I forgot about Cotton. He looked good as well.
He had Adam at 91-93 which I have a hard time believing. Dude was blowing his 4 seamer by people.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on February 23, 2020, 12:49:01 pm
David Ross out again Sunday with what Jordan Bastain described as intestinal turmoil.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 12:58:36 pm
Ive always thought Norwood had potential.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on February 23, 2020, 01:36:57 pm
David Ross out again Sunday with what Jordan Bastain described as intestinal turmoil.
Ross was fired several days ago. The flu is just a cover up
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 23, 2020, 02:30:25 pm
I guess mlb.tv only has the Dodgers feed today? Even though the game is on Marquee..
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on February 23, 2020, 02:47:35 pm
I was told by Directv today that Marquee only available to Directv subscribers...in Illinois.

Not available elsewhere as part of Directv Sports Package or any other package.

I’m figuring will be available outside Illinois at some point but clear that Marquee hasn’t fully got their act together at this stage.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 02:50:35 pm
You need MLB.TV.

I watched last night in crystal clear in East Tennessee.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 02:51:00 pm
David Ross sent out the C lineup today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 03:11:49 pm
Caratini goes yard.

He'd be a damn fine starting catcher for somebody.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 23, 2020, 04:01:37 pm
Arizona Phil has velocities from yesterday.

Mekkes topped out at 96
Norwood 96-99
I forgot about Cotton. He looked good as well.
He had Adam at 91-93 which I have a hard time believing. Dude was blowing his 4 seamer by people.

thanks, blue.  I'd think if Mekkes could be consistently in the 92-94 range, topping at 96 on good days, he'd have a shot at an interesting future.  We've gotten the big, long-stride, release-point-makes-his-fastball-better-than-the-velocity-would-suggest kind of stuff.  But if pitch-lab and mechanical-tweaks and physical-maturation were to have actual velocity up with a lot of 93-95 and sometimes even more, that could be VERY sweet. 

Do you think Cotton has velocity up with those kinds of guys?  (Not Norwood-fast, but mid-90's capacity, if used as a let-it-rip reliever?)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 23, 2020, 06:36:21 pm
I think you let Cotton play out as a starter this year at Iowa.

Mekkes had some nice movement on his fastball. The Cubs really do have a bunch of guys to throw at the bullpen to figure it out.

Norwood just reminds of Farnsworth, the stuff just work together for some reason. The Cubs prospects guys are saying it is spider control.

Anybody watch today’s game?  I had to watch Creighton dismantle another top 25 team. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 06:46:34 pm
No.

I was busy watching UT dismantle one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 23, 2020, 07:33:21 pm
Watching reruns from a few years ago? 

Man Tennessee has a NET rating of 65. The 10th best team in the Big East has a 72. Playing in the SEC must be nice.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 08:47:55 pm
Nope.

UT beat #25 Stanford today 2 days after they beat #1 Texas Tech.

As far as the SEC goes you're either A-In it or B-Jealous of it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 23, 2020, 09:05:55 pm
Basketball Dusty, Basketball.

College baseball doesn’t matter until you get to the CWS.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 23, 2020, 09:35:28 pm
Got you.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 24, 2020, 04:51:23 pm
Old fashioned pitching duel, with the Cubs leading 13 - 9 in the ninth.

Rowan Wick with a horrible outing, not being able to finish his inning.  They seemed to hit everything he threw.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on February 24, 2020, 04:53:25 pm
Almora: 3-3 with a homer and 4 RBI

Alzolay: 1-3-2-2-1-3
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 24, 2020, 05:05:18 pm
I said it was the ninth, and it seems like it, but it was only the 6th.  Now 15 - 9 going into the bottom of the 7th.

Higgens became the fourth Cub Catcher to homer this spring.  And Amaya had a double.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 24, 2020, 05:13:05 pm
Tripp Gibson is in mid-season form today...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on February 24, 2020, 07:49:23 pm
Manuel Rodriguez looked pretty good today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on February 24, 2020, 09:38:08 pm
I forgot he even existed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 24, 2020, 09:43:52 pm
Manuel Rodriguez looked pretty good today.

What was your scouting observation, Jeff?  Fast?  Curveball? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 24, 2020, 10:05:12 pm
Games on the MLB Network now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 24, 2020, 10:52:31 pm
Alzolay's stuff looked good.  Curve and change both look pretty dangerous.  Fastball got hit today. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on February 25, 2020, 12:19:16 am
What was your scouting observation, Jeff?  Fast?  Curveball?

Yes, very hard thrower.  Threw a great 12-6 curve for a called strike.  Very small sample, but I didn't perceive any obvious control problems.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on February 25, 2020, 01:29:36 am
Well, the Cubs were worried enough about someone taking him in the Rule 5 draft that they rostered him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 25, 2020, 02:33:57 am
One would have liked to see Alzolay look a little better today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 25, 2020, 09:47:15 am
Alzolay looked fine. Getting hit a little bit is not indicative of how his stuff looked...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on February 25, 2020, 10:37:32 am
Quote from: Bleacher Nation
Adbert Alzolay had the GOOOOOD curveball working in his inning, throwing it comfortably for strikes and also burying under bats for whiffs. I know we (and he) talk a lot about wanting the changeup to come along because it has so much potential, but let’s not forget his signature pitch. The fastball looked a little low on life today, but that’s to be expected on February 24.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on February 25, 2020, 12:29:48 pm
Alzolay looked fine. Getting hit a little bit is not indicative of how his stuff looked...

Movement on the fast ball is more concerning.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 25, 2020, 03:02:21 pm
I agree.  But on the first outing of the spring, it isn't as concerning as it would be late next week.  Especially since fastball movement has not been a problem for him in the past.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on February 25, 2020, 03:59:41 pm
For me I think about it a little bit differently.That's been a problem for him that's known that his fastball is just flat and doesn't have a lot of movement. I'd want to see him coming to a spring training and from the word go show some improvement on that fastball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 25, 2020, 04:21:46 pm
I just feel like AA's massively important fo our future and even our present and I would have felt a lot better if he hadnt got rocked.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on February 25, 2020, 05:12:15 pm
At this point a spring training it doesn't matter if he gets hit hard like Dave said. It's more important to see the velocity movement on pitches shape on the breaking ball.

It sounds like the shape on the breaking ball was definitely there... But the fastball was in fast but completely flat with no movement. Major league baseball hitters in 2020 are too good to be fooled by a 96 mph straight as an arrow fastball
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 25, 2020, 05:12:35 pm
Lester scatters 5 runs over his inning of work.  Down 12-4 in the 8th. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron Green on February 25, 2020, 05:22:25 pm
At this point a spring training it doesn't matter if he gets hit hard like Dave said. It's more important to see the velocity movement on pitches shape on the breaking ball.

It sounds like the shape on the breaking ball was definitely there... But the fastball was in fast but completely flat with no movement. Major league baseball hitters in 2020 are too good to be fooled by a 96 mph straight as an arrow fastball

Kyle Farnsworth demonstrated that without movement, even fast than that is still going to be hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on February 25, 2020, 05:39:36 pm
Kyle was in the wrong sport
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on February 25, 2020, 06:03:09 pm
Lester scatters 5 runs over his inning of work.  Down 12-4 in the 8th.

Midseason form. And I'm talking about Craig here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on February 25, 2020, 06:46:01 pm
Wasn't the report that AA's velocity was meh as well?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 25, 2020, 07:57:50 pm
Brad Weick is currently with the team.

Rex Brothers was 95 and throwing strikes.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 25, 2020, 08:17:54 pm
Brad Weick is currently with the team.

Rex Brothers was 95 and throwing strikes.

Had Weick not been? 

I wonder which and how many of the pitchers have some health issues, and are on special slow-track? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 25, 2020, 08:18:55 pm
Brothers in mid-90's with strikes, that would be an awesome comeback story. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 25, 2020, 10:31:10 pm
Sorry I meant Weick is currently not with the team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 25, 2020, 10:58:35 pm
Darvish scheduled for Saturday, Hendricks tomorrow. 

Hultzen not seen yet through first handful of games. 

Kimbrel obviously being held back. 

Q not scheduled for any games for at least a while.  One of the TV guys did say they saw him today, that he was tossing off a mound on a back field.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 26, 2020, 08:26:57 am
Article about Ross wth flu said Q had gotten it, too.  Explains why he's behind the other starters, rather than any sore arm or anything.
Article about Darvish had Kimbrel throwing with him.  Hottovy never really explained why they were planning to have Kimbrel on a slower schedule than the other guys; I'm not sure what injury issues exactly he had and what kind of rehab/recovery process may have been involved?  Hopefully there's nothing enduringly wrong physically, and he'll get enough work to be both physically ready when the season opens, but also hopefully sharp with his stuff. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 26, 2020, 09:29:04 am
Relievers don't need a ton of work to get up to full steam.  Weick seems to be the only guy to have some concern about. 

Pet Peeve, Quintana and Ross had a viral gastroenteritis and not the flu (influenza) from the sounds of their symptoms.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 26, 2020, 10:05:50 am
Relievers don't need a ton of work to get up to full steam.  ...

I agree, strength-wise and velocity-wise. 

I wonder about control, though?  Seems to me that sometimes a reliever gets into a good groove one season.  The next, he gets off to a wild start, then struggles to ever get back into the groove.  (Sometimes that gets amplified because usage declines when performance deteriorates.) .

Perhaps so few March innings contributes to the unpredictability of bullpen performance? 

Or maybe that makes no sense.  The plate is the same size/distance in bullpens; and whether facing March minor-leaguers versus facing Mike Trout.  So perhaps getting mechanics locked in to be able to locate pitches can be as easily optimized in practice as in game situations. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: BearHit on February 26, 2020, 01:27:44 pm
viral gastroenteritis - sure - that's what the pangolins in Wuhan thought too
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 26, 2020, 04:11:16 pm
For those not watching, Jharel Cotton flashed a really nice straight change today...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 26, 2020, 04:33:58 pm
And Javy went yard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on February 26, 2020, 04:48:44 pm
Mills and Megill also looked pretty good today.  As a winter draftee, they have to keep him on the roster all season.  It would be nice if he performed well enough to keep.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on February 26, 2020, 05:19:54 pm
Cotton's trade mark pitch is that Change.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on February 26, 2020, 05:30:28 pm
I read somewhere that the Cubs have liked Megill for a while and tried to trade for him before.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 26, 2020, 07:53:21 pm
Arizona Phil had Megill 95-97 today. That is a big jump from his first appearance and from last year as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 26, 2020, 08:15:09 pm
Watched some of the innings for Cubs pitchers from today and yesterday.  Cotton's change was really effective.  Most of his stuff seemed to have a lot of movement, interesting.  Some of his misses missed pretty badly.  He touched 90 on one pitch, maybe twice, otherwise certainly nothing over 90 today, on the mlb-broadcast.  That said, I'm not sure whether the couple of 90's were actual fastballs, or what the intent was.  Looks interesting, although is he's a pure breaking-ball guy, that seems much better suited to relief than rotation. 

Megill looked pretty smooth with his fastball; some of his breaking balls missed pretty badly.  Maybe one fastball up at 94 or 95, the rest in the 90-92 range, so not overpoweringly fast or anything, at least today.  But he kinda looked like he might throw mid 90's fairly easily if he wanted to or the adrenaline was pumping.  His breaking stuff looked pretty difficult to hit, although lots of them missed pretty badly.  But he got some bad chase swings on breaking balls where the hitters seeemed to be guessing fastball.  Not sure if that's a delivery where the breaking stuff is hard to read, or if it's just minor-league hitters early in camp missing badly.  Looked like *if*he could control his breaking stuff, he might be pretty interesting.

Mills looked very smooth.  And he touched 90-91.  So he's got the rep as being a low-velocity guy, and obviously 90-91 isn't fast.  But not seeing many other guys much faster than that very often; he looked smooth and like a pro, when he missed it looked like he didn't miss his spots by more than a little. 

I watched Brothers from yesterday.  as Blue noted, he had a couple 94-95-ish readings, and his breaking ball looked like a weapon.  He didn't look like a wildman, seemed like the ball was around the plate and if there were misses, he wasn't missing badly.  That's kinda how I thought Alzolay looked too, some of his pitches were balls, but they were all close and missed by very little. 

Watched Tyson Miller from yesterday's game.  He threw a lot of breaking balls, and they all seemed to be around the plate, not nearly as many not-even-close as with Cotton and Megill.  Fastball touched 89, maybe touched 90 once. 

DelaCruz was also predominantly breaking stuff.  His breaking stuff seemed to be around the zone.  Fastball maybe touched 92.  Not overpowering velocity, at least today.  But seemed to have a variety of pitches he could keep around the plate. 

I watched Mekkes, maybe from yesterday's game or the day before?  My recall from reports was that while scouts have said his fastball was effective and deceptive, release point and all, but that he wasn't actually actually fast.  His control wasn't real sharp, long counts.  But his fastball was up around 94, kind of repeatedly, looked easy, like he didn't need to muscle up for that velocity. Looked like if I read a report next week that he was feeling good and was letting it rip, it wouldn't surprise if he had some 98's or something.  His breaking ball looked good, I thought.  I thought he looked like a very realistic possibility, but he ran a lot of long counts, and had a lot of pitches that were close but just missed.  Looked interesting, not overly complicated. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 26, 2020, 08:17:13 pm
My velocity notes were just mlb-tv listings.  Maybe missed, but mlb didn't seem to flash any 97. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on February 26, 2020, 09:01:32 pm
I’m not sure where Arizona Phil is getting his readings and if Marquee is using StatCast or something else.  My understanding was that Marquee wasn’t going to give velocity reading during the Spring.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on February 27, 2020, 02:38:45 pm
Odor GS...4-0 Rangers after 1...

I’m not gonna say the ump was bad, but Rea wasn’t getting anything at the bottom of the zone. The inning should have been a whole lot different.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on February 28, 2020, 10:01:10 pm
Baez getting all of his walks out of the way in spring training.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on February 29, 2020, 01:06:20 pm
Wick, Alzolay, Underwood, Mekkes, Pelham and Taylor scheduled to pitch in relief
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on February 29, 2020, 03:28:53 pm
Alzolay not exactly helping his chances thus far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on February 29, 2020, 10:34:10 pm
From Arizona Phil for Today's game (I'm not including all of his breaking ball speeds, but some...):

Quote
For those of you who did not see today's Cubs - Brewers game, here are the Cubs pitchers velo readings 

Yu Darvish
FB: 95-98
CT: 92-94

Adbert Alzolay
FB: 92-95 - T 96

Rowan Wick
FB: 93-95 

Duane Underwood Jr
FB: 95-96
CT/SL: 87-88
CV: 82-84

Ben Taylor 
FB: 90- 93

C. D. Pelham
FB: 93-95
SL: 83
NOTES: Threw only one SL (which was nowhere near home plate), and every other pitch was a FB (which is the one pitch he can command)... I suspect he might start the regular season at Extended Spring Training and spend a lot of time in the Pitch Lab...

Dalota Mekkes
FB: 92-95
CV: 76-79
NOTES: A fine outing with the better FB velo he showed last Saturday (that was missing on Tuesday)...
=============
I think Mekkes at 92-95 has a chance to become a major leaguer. 


Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on March 01, 2020, 03:26:24 pm
Home run for Almora.  Lester with a very good outing.  1 - 0 in the 4th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on March 01, 2020, 03:47:09 pm
Home run to center by Baez
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 01, 2020, 04:05:54 pm
Rodriguez left with an arm injury.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 01, 2020, 04:07:42 pm
Lester 4K/0BB in 3 innings.  Heyward saved him a HR, but that's really nice to see Lester have a good outing.

Megill looked good, 95-96 fastball and threw some nice curves. 

rodriguez throws very hard, and has a very share breaking ball.  But unfortunately he got pulled with an arm injury.  Bummer, bummer, byummer. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 01, 2020, 06:08:50 pm
Rodriguez left with right biceps soreness.  I swear on TV I heard him say that he felt something pop.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 02, 2020, 11:43:04 am
Rodriguez left with right biceps soreness.  I swear on TV I heard him say that he felt something pop.

Chicago Tribune Sports  @ChicagoSports  2h
With a fastball clocked at 99 mph, Manuel Rodriguez has a chance to advance through the Cubs minor-league system quickly.
But that could hinge on test results after Rodriguez left yesterday's game with right biceps discomfort following a pitch.

Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  26m
Kimbrel to throw bullpen today, lined up to pitch Wednesday at Goodyear, Manuel Rodriguez to undergo MRI on right biceps
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 02, 2020, 12:08:55 pm
Thanks, bennett. Man would it be nice to NOT have it be rotten, and for him to be fine and throwing 100% by May 15 or something. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on March 02, 2020, 02:05:04 pm
Arismendy Alcantara starting at SS for the Angels against the Cubs today...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robb on March 02, 2020, 03:33:45 pm
For those not watching the game on ESPN. They have had Rizzo abs Bryant mic'd up all game and it has been a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on March 02, 2020, 06:01:38 pm
That telecast was awesome.  Having Rizzo chatting while at the plate, talking about choking up, and then lining that two strike single was great.  The broadcasters handled things very well- it could have been awkward but wasn't.  It really illustrated what we loved about playing the game- the camaraderie and the behind the scenes fun.  Baseball needs to figure out how to expose the television public to more of that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on March 03, 2020, 06:40:50 am
I thought it was funny as hell when he said he had no clue what pitch was coming and asked if he could get a couple of "bangs?"
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 03, 2020, 06:43:51 am
Sadler looked good in the evening game. Steele has nice stuff, but had no command last night.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 03, 2020, 09:33:48 am
Hendricks and Mills start the two games.  Mills walked one. 
Otherwise, 3IP with 3 K's and no hits for both of them. 

Long ways to go, but Mills looks to have an inside track on making the roster.  I think that would be fun human story.  Guy with limited stuff, looked like he might end up being a journeyman treadmill AAA guy.  But suddenly gets a callup late last summer, has a good run with the Cubs, and now suddenly he's likely to be a major leaguer.  would be fun to have him locating his offspeed stuff consistently enough to be good. 

Maybe long-man/6th-starter only.  Very unlikely to ever get used much late-innings.  But I still wonder if he might work his way into some usage as a 6th-7th innings type guy? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 03, 2020, 03:47:35 pm
Quintana pitched.  Gave up 3 runs, HR included, in the first, shutout 2nd. 

I think that leaves Kimbrel as the only pitcher likely to make the open roster to have not pitched yet.  Those two are really hinge guys on ow the staff will work out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 04, 2020, 03:25:12 pm

Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

In first Cactus League action, Kimbrel sitting 95-96 mph (per stadium gun). K’d Votto on curveball, alowed homer to Dietrich (95 heater), Akiyama groundout, Barnhart reaches on grounder that Bote bobbled, K’d Ervin on 96 fastball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on March 04, 2020, 03:51:10 pm
That's homer #10 off Kimbrel in 21-2/3 as a Cub.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 04, 2020, 06:18:55 pm
Pedro Strop pitched 1 inning against the Cubs today giving up 1 hit and striking out 1.

Attendance in Goodyear on a beautiful day was only 5,135.

Box
http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=400304117&final=true
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on March 04, 2020, 10:03:40 pm
Chatwood looked strong today.

Trent Giambrone is gonna contribute for us at some point this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 05, 2020, 11:27:20 am
Paul Sullivan  @PWSullivan  40m
Darvish and Kipnis out with the flu. Yu scratched for today’s start.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 05, 2020, 12:51:11 pm
Jesse Rogers  @ESPNChiCubs  22m
Anthony Rizzo now scratched today with a blister on his right middle finger.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 05, 2020, 12:52:47 pm
ダルビッシュ有(Yu Darvish)
@faridyu
Since I coughed yesterday and didn't want to go into the clubhouse on my own in a situation where there was no possibility of corona, I talked to the team first and lost my pitch. .
It is a hospital now.
I hope there is no fever and nothing.I wonder if the flu test puts a stick in the nose and how can it be tested? Damage too big
No fever, no flu

I'm sure google translate didn't do a great job, but Yu tweeting about getting a flu test is funny
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 05, 2020, 12:53:45 pm
Albert Almora is also under the weather.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on March 06, 2020, 05:15:23 pm
Brothers has looked like a world beater his past two outings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: ticohans on March 06, 2020, 07:32:56 pm
It won’t matter until the season is underway, but count me as a believer in the pitch lab and the Cubs’ ability to mine extra value out of under-appreciated relievers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on March 08, 2020, 04:46:29 pm
Who is the guy on the telecast today with Len that sounds like Vince Vaughn with a head cold?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2020, 05:52:16 pm
I believe the the two are Mick Gillespie and Cole Wright.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on March 08, 2020, 07:39:02 pm
Another homer off Kimbrel. That's 11 in 23+ innings as a Cub. Also gave up a double.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 08, 2020, 08:27:39 pm
Kimbrel bad again, Q bad again.  Those are two key guys who need to be good if the Cubs hope to contend.

Also two of the guys you'd like to be able to trade if you end up going into sell mode. 

Hopefully they'll get squared away when the season starts. 

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 08, 2020, 08:45:06 pm
How did Maples look?  Did he have a clue where his pitches where going?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on March 10, 2020, 10:12:33 pm
Cubs score 16 runs, and not a single post.

Baez and Contreras with home runs.  Mekkes looked good, as did Winkler.  Underwood, not so much.  I suspect that he will shortly be a free agent.

Miller should make the team, as the 26th man.  He is an excellent base runner, with better than average defense and makes decent contact.  If it comes down to Miller or Rivas, I would go with Miller.

Chatwood looks like he is finally ready to fulfil some of his potential.

Brothers looks outstanding.  If Kimbrel falters, he might be the closer, at least while his health holds up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 10, 2020, 10:23:27 pm
Chatwood 3.2 innings, shutout, 4K/0BB.  Brothers 1-2-3 inning. 

Happ is having a really good spring, hitting .482, and only like 4K's in ~30 AB or something like that.  We'll see, of course.  Two springs ago, he had a great camp, hit a bunch of HR's, led off season with a HR, but then fell off and lost the leadoff role.  Last spring he had a terrible spring and ended up going to Iowa.  HOpefully this good spring holds up, into and through the season.  (Obvioiusly not to the tune of .482 BA.)

Winkler and Wick each had shutout innings, but with a walk and a hit each, so probably not real compelling. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on March 10, 2020, 10:28:53 pm
Chatwood has looked good and I agree about keeping Miller.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 10, 2020, 10:32:33 pm
Remind me... is there a max number of pitchers allowed?  Must that extra spot go to a player not a pitcher? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on March 10, 2020, 10:44:24 pm
I think there is a max number of pitchers allowed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: mO on March 11, 2020, 09:31:23 am
13
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: ticohans on March 11, 2020, 05:51:42 pm
Interesting article in Fangraphs a few days ago on Happ. Pointed to a change in approach that seemed to lead to meaningfully better numbers in the 2nd half of 2019 that could bode well for him moving forward.

Basically, he's had Brant Brown disease: terrific power and eye, not the best at contact. Passivity resulted in too many 2-strike counts, followed by an easy-K. Much like Baez, the solution for Happ's problems seems to be swinging *more* often so as to not get in 2-strike holes as quickly.

If the new approach is sustainable, reasonable chance he settles in as low average, high obp/slg-type with defensive versatility. That's a great outcome.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 11, 2020, 09:47:16 pm
Happ has 4 K in 31 PA so far in the spring. Walk and K rates are the only things that are kinda meaningful. Happ also made a lot more contact last year. He jumped up to 72.4% and 82% in the zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on March 11, 2020, 09:49:00 pm
Hardly anybody hits much in 2-strike counts.

MLB hitters overall in 2019 in 2-strike counts had a slash line of 173-247-286.

But, Happ is considerably worse.

Career in 2-strike counts:  136-233-240.

Happ is a career .230 iso hitter—well above average— but in 2-strike counts he’s below MLB average iso too.

So, yes, the fewer 2-strike counts for Happ, the better.

By the way, Tony Gwynn was a lifetime .302 hitter with 2 strikes.

Othe notables: Trout .218. Griffey Jr. 192. F. Thomas .215
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 11, 2020, 10:07:20 pm
After gettnig 21 hits yesterday, Cubs are getting no-hit through 6 tonight.  Darvish struggled some, very few swinging strikes, walked 3, but allowed only 1 run.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 11, 2020, 10:17:46 pm
Kimbrel pitched an inning, no HR, got his fastball up to 95-96.  Couple of K's, a walk, and some weak contact.  (A catcher interference hit and a soft bouncing infield hit.) Some of his fastballs were pretty well off, but most were strikes or pretty close. 

Kinda wild, and not fast, but didn't look bad otherwise.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 11, 2020, 10:23:20 pm
Mills and Sadler both looked sharp again tonight.  They've both been having strong springs. 

Descalso breaks up the no-hitter in the 7th. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on March 12, 2020, 09:51:58 am
Kris Bryant provides a calm but serious view on coronavirus and MLB.  Like the guy.


https://theathletic.com/1671311/2020/03/12/there-are-bigger-things-than-baseball-kris-bryant-offers-a-voice-of-reason/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 12, 2020, 12:35:12 pm
Cubs/Dodgers cancelled due to weather concerns.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on March 24, 2020, 12:53:04 am
MLB The Show 20 standings...

Cubs 28-5

Brewers 17-16

Reds 16-16

Pirates 13-20

Cardinals 9-25
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on March 24, 2020, 01:45:19 pm
Is Kris Bryant still on the team?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on March 24, 2020, 09:40:37 pm
Game 5 of the ‘16 World Series is on MLB Network.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on March 24, 2020, 11:35:11 pm
Well for you late night people out there, MLB Network is airing Games 6 and 7 tonight too. 

I don't think I've watched Game 5 since it actually happened in 2016.  I still found myself going kind of nuts when the Cubs took the lead and when Chapman struck out Ramirez to end it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on March 26, 2020, 01:11:09 am
MLB Network is showing Tuffy Rhodes' 3-homer 1994 opener against the Mets Thursday night at 11:00 PM central.

It's also on Friday morning at 10:30 AM.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 04, 2020, 11:07:33 pm
Random thought but we should all agree to rewatch all 7 games of the 2016 World Series and give it the retrospective Today's Game treatment sometime during the coronavirus hiatus.  it'd at least give us something to fill the time over here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on April 05, 2020, 08:16:57 pm
It's not a "hiatus".  The most likely outcome is the end of the human race.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on April 05, 2020, 08:56:41 pm
It's not a "hiatus".  The most likely outcome is the end of the human race.

This is absurdly pessimistic even for you.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on April 05, 2020, 09:10:07 pm
Maybe we'll slow to a human walk.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 13, 2020, 04:29:34 am
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are now 51-11 with a 17 game lead on the 2nd place Brewers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2020, 10:09:37 am
OOTP Cubs 21

I really like it and it took a few restarts to learn the ins and outs.  I'm trying my hardest to not to do too many trades. 

Ricketts only left me with $3,000,000 extra for the year and that has to cover call ups as well.  It is May and I've gone through 9 starters pitchers that started with an injury to Darvish.  That said Happ/Almora have a nice platoon going in CF.  Chatwood has a low 4 ERA and Lester and Hendricks suck, but I'm only like 1/2 game of first place.  Looking forward to the draft and IFA, which took me a while to get a handle on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 13, 2020, 01:36:40 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are now 51-11 with a 17 game lead on the 2nd place Brewers.

So you were once 40-6, but only 10-5 in your last 15?  What the hell is wrong over there??? :)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 13, 2020, 01:38:04 pm
By the way Ian Happ is the Cubs rep for the big leaguer's MLB the Show league.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29020150/sources-players-all-30-teams-form-mlb-show-league
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on April 13, 2020, 02:24:14 pm
Dusty's team needs a managerial change
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 13, 2020, 03:02:15 pm
I dont like it to not be realistic but it takes a little while to find the right difficulty setting.

Its playing a lot more realistic now.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 13, 2020, 05:28:13 pm
Just wondering who are the top performers on your MLB the Show team so far?

And who is it looking like we'll be demolishing in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 13, 2020, 05:39:33 pm
Ian Happ has been Mickey Mantle to this point.

Kyle Schwarber also leads the league in HRs.

My hitting is still unrealistic but my pitching stats are starting to level off.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on April 13, 2020, 06:58:56 pm
Who is winning the Al?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 13, 2020, 07:07:22 pm
Jon Lester just pitched 8 innings of 1 run ball and Craig Kimbrel got the save as the Cubs just beat the Orioles at Wrigley 4-1.

Steven Souza homered.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 13, 2020, 07:07:45 pm
Ill look it up later Method.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 13, 2020, 07:12:43 pm
Rays lead the Red Sox by 3 games,Twins lead the Tribe by 5.5,Angels lead the Astros by 3.

Astros and Tribe have the Wild Cards.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 21, 2020, 05:38:56 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 53-12.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 21, 2020, 10:15:20 pm
I still don't understand how we could have any losses at this point, much less 12.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 21, 2020, 11:23:45 pm
My job hasnt slowed down one bit through this and to be honest I havent had much time to play it lately so when I have Ive been out of groove and lost a few.

I bought me one of those golf nets and been hitting golf balls quite a bit too.

Ive got down to a 17 handicap.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on April 22, 2020, 10:37:22 am
OOTP Cubs lost to the Dodgers in the NLCS.  The Cubs were the only team to put 2 losses on the Dodgers, at least Ricketts finally ponied up some money for 21.  Bryant and Rizzo signed extensions, but Javy didn't want too......
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 22, 2020, 11:39:28 am
I bought me one of those golf nets and been hitting golf balls quite a bit too.

Ive got down to a 17 handicap.

So spending more time on your golf game than your real job of managing the Cubs?  SMH...  ::)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 22, 2020, 11:41:24 am

OOTP Cubs lost to the Dodgers in the NLCS.  The Cubs were the only team to put 2 losses on the Dodgers, at least Ricketts finally ponied up some money for 21.  Bryant and Rizzo signed extensions, but Javy didn't want too......


Seems like the Rizzo money should have gone to Javy?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on April 22, 2020, 11:54:59 am
MLB Network showed Arrieta's no-hitter against the Reds from 2016 last night. I'd assume that game will pop up again at some point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on April 22, 2020, 02:21:11 pm

Seems like the Rizzo money should have gone to Javy?

Every time I’ve offered Javy an extension he only wants to talk 1 year extensions. If you offer him a multi-year extension his price on the 1 year extension goes up. Since he’s entering his FA year I might get a shot this year.

Ricketts gives me goals to accomplish and one of the goals is always sign Rizzo to an extension. The more goals the bigger the budget I get.  Rizzo was like $21 million year for 5 years and Bryant was $25 million for 7.

So I just finished the off season and Ricketts gave me all the money!!  I had forced Ross to strictly platoon Heyward and he responded with a 122 OPS+ and I was able to trade him to Boston for Rusney Castillo and it only cost me $5 million per year of dead payroll.

But that isn’t even the best part. So Mookie struggled with LA and in multiple versions of this sim he has usually gone for $30+ million/year. I was able to get him for $25 million. My starting pitching still sucks, but my offense should be amazing.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 25, 2020, 09:56:46 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 56-16.

Its leveling out.

Im starting to lose.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on April 25, 2020, 10:38:43 pm
You need to get off the golf course and start concentrating on your team again.  You're starting to let us all down over here!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 25, 2020, 10:57:20 pm
Ive played it to death this weekend and been about .500.

Well you all know.

You've seen my record.

Hitting is still strong but my pitching has leveled off especially my bullpen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on April 25, 2020, 10:59:58 pm
Has Dusty been fired yet?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on April 25, 2020, 11:08:57 pm
57-16 after a 6-3 victory over the Mets at Wrigley.

Lester with his 11th win, Syndergaard with the loss,and Kimbrel with his 22nd save.

Schwarber with a 2 run HR to right center.

18.5 game lead on the Brewers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on April 27, 2020, 09:37:28 pm
We might have to fire that manager soon if the winning % keeps dropping.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 01, 2020, 09:24:59 pm
The MLB 20 The Show Cubs move to 62-17 after a 6-0 win over the Reds.

Jose Quintana threw a complete game shutout with 5 K's and 0 walks and Kyle Schwarber and Willson Contreras went deep.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on May 01, 2020, 10:27:46 pm
So 6-1 in your last 7?  Sounds like things are getting back on track. 

Glad you're staying away from the golf and getting back to focusing on what's really important!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 01, 2020, 10:52:53 pm
Yes.

My pitching has gotten better but my bullpen isnt particularly strong.

My two top setup men are Winkler and Morrow and they both have ERAs in the 4's.

Jeffress,Wick,and Tepera have been better though and Wick has been my best setup man by far.

My hitting has been strong all year but if you face a front line ace youll still struggle to hit.

You get fat on the Anthony Desclafani's of the world.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 01, 2020, 10:53:17 pm
And I intend to play golf tomorrow Jr.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robb on May 02, 2020, 12:25:56 am
I played today,  Dusty. Just got my new Maverik driver.  Wish I could play everyday. 😁
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 02, 2020, 01:05:02 am
Im a terribly busy man at this point in my life.

Much busier than Ive ever been before so I can at best only play once a week but if its nice outside,Im off,and I dont have to mow I want to be playing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 02, 2020, 01:06:11 am
Ive got a Cobra F6+ driver.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 02, 2020, 09:48:54 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 64-19 after a loss to the Yankees.

Lester got rocked for 7 runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 03, 2020, 01:16:24 am
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 66-20 after a 3-0 victory over the Brewers at Wrigley.

Kyle Hendricks threw a complete game shutout with 13 Ks and 0 walks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on May 03, 2020, 10:22:31 am
F the Brewers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on May 03, 2020, 11:12:03 am
Great job by Hendricks with the shutout.  Just too bad the manager was thinking too much about golf and left Lester in there to get pounded for 7 runs though.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on May 03, 2020, 12:00:48 pm
You are missing the point.  BECAUSE the manager was playing golf, he was not there to take Hendricks out in the 6th inning, allowing the Brewers to score four runs against the bullpen for the win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on May 03, 2020, 12:13:02 pm
You are missing the point.  BECAUSE the manager was playing golf, he was not there to take Hendricks out in the 6th inning, allowing the Brewers to score four runs against the bullpen for the win.

Occasionally DaveP, you bring up a good point.  That would be a double edged sword there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on May 03, 2020, 01:04:32 pm
The owner has given Dusty a vote of confidence.  We all know what that means.  He'll be sacked soon.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 03, 2020, 06:14:20 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 67-21 after a loss to the Brewers 5-4 at Wrigley.

Jon Lester got hit around again and gave up 4 runs in 4.1 innings.

Javy Baez was 2-3 with 2 triples and an RBI.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on May 03, 2020, 08:51:11 pm
OK.  Enough is enough.  Losing to the Brewers is unacceptable.  When is Dusty getting fired?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on May 04, 2020, 03:16:50 pm
He has already been fired, but since he is out on the golf course, he doesn't know it yet.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on May 04, 2020, 03:28:51 pm
He'll find out when he logs in here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on May 04, 2020, 03:55:48 pm
He'll find out when he logs in here.

Social media's sort of a modern way for managers to find out they're fired anyway. Seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on May 04, 2020, 05:13:48 pm
Well if Dusty is getting fired from being the manager, he needs to be sent out the right way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfpV5JVv9AY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 08, 2020, 07:14:30 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 68-21 after a 7-1 win over the Rays at Wrigley.

Jose Quintana gave up 1 run over 7 innings with 13 Ks and Kris Bryant went yard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on May 08, 2020, 07:20:10 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 68-21 after a 7-1 win over the Rays at Wrigley.

Jose Quintana gave up 1 run over 7 innings with 13 Ks and Kris Bryant went yard.
Wind blowing in from center field at 22 mph with a temperature around 40°
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 08, 2020, 07:26:31 pm
No.

It was July 3rd.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 09, 2020, 06:26:27 pm
The MLB 20 THE SHOW Cubs are currently 69-24 with 3 games to go before the All-Star break.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 10, 2020, 05:36:35 am
Rizzo,Kimbrel,Baez,Schwarber,Contreras,and Happ make the all star team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 10, 2020, 05:38:14 am
The NL wins the all star game and Contreras hits a 3 run HR and wins MVP.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 10, 2020, 05:42:57 am
Kris Bryant goes on the 10 day DL with a pulled hamstring.

Robel Garcia up.

The Cubs are 71-25 with a 19 game lead on the Brewers at the all star break.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 16, 2020, 03:55:26 pm
The MLB 20 The Show Cubs are currently 75-25.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on May 21, 2020, 09:31:04 pm
Good 4-0 start after the break.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 22, 2020, 01:51:58 am
With a 3 day weekend coming up Ill put the hurt on it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 22, 2020, 09:26:04 pm
Cubs beat the Cards 8-5 at Busch to move to 79-26 on the season.

Jharel Cotton got the win and Craig Kimbrel got the save.

Contreras,Happ,Baez,Bryant,and Schwarber went yard.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 22, 2020, 11:24:20 pm
Cubs go on the road and beat the Giants 8-2 to move to 80-26 on the season.

Kyle Hendricks gave up 2 runs in 8 innings to earn his 12th win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 23, 2020, 12:50:21 am
Cubs drill the Giants 11-2 and improve to 81-26 on the season.

Yu Darvish won his league leading 15th game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 23, 2020, 01:58:06 am
Cubs beat the Giants 6-2 to move to 82-26 on the season.

Jon Lester pitched 8 innings of 2 run ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 23, 2020, 02:00:35 am
22 game lead on the Brewers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: guest61 on May 23, 2020, 03:43:22 am
Cubs beat the Giants 7-1 to move to 83-26 on the season.

Schwarber and Caratini went yard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on May 23, 2020, 05:02:28 pm
4 game Sweep!
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Post by: Bennett on July 14, 2020, 10:08:50 am
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/14/you-can-watch-the-cubs-play-the-cubs-tonight-on-marquee-sports-network/
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Post by: Tuffy on July 14, 2020, 06:18:13 pm
What happened to Dusty?  Why are all his posts now "guest61"?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on July 14, 2020, 06:19:01 pm
He left the board.
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Post by: JR on July 14, 2020, 06:32:31 pm
I think he needed to spend more time concentrating on his golf game.
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Post by: Deeg on July 14, 2020, 07:23:25 pm
Maybe he was enrolled in inpatient sensitivity training.
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 14, 2020, 07:33:42 pm
I wish the Cubs had fake fans the crowd noise doesn’t bother me until you see the empty seats or an occasional random Cubs employee
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Post by: craig on July 14, 2020, 07:43:43 pm
Are we winning or losing? 
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 14, 2020, 09:46:14 pm
BOTH!

Hendricks looked sharp. Darvish was ok. Cotton looked good in the first inning and game up a homer to Willson in his second. Ryan gave up a homer to Javy. Maples threw strikes. Kimbrel did not give up a homer and is working on a change up.

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Post by: craig on July 14, 2020, 10:11:31 pm
Thanks, Blue. 
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Post by: craig on July 14, 2020, 10:25:44 pm
Sounds like Rizzo might not be in good shape.  After being injured for the first week, he apparently tried batting practice yesterday, and his back is hurting again, and he's getting send to a specialist. 
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Post by: craig on July 15, 2020, 07:12:16 am
Any relievers look good or bad? 
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Post by: Dave23 on July 15, 2020, 08:06:36 am
So who is plan B at 1B?

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Post by: CUBluejays on July 15, 2020, 08:13:28 am
Any relievers look good or bad? 

I liked what I saw from Cotton. 
Maples throwing strikes was nice and cubsprospects on Twitter through out that he might be someone that does better without a crowd since he can get into his own head a little.
Baez crushed Ryan, but he looked ok other than that.
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 15, 2020, 08:23:49 am
So who is plan B at 1B?

You could do Bryant at 1B and Bote at 3B.  Happ has played there as well.  Caratini too..
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 15, 2020, 08:29:57 am
So who is plan B at 1B?

Quote from: Bleacher Nation
Either way, with the season just over a week away, it’s probably time to start thinking that Rizzo may have to miss some time to open the season. The Cubs can cover the spot easily enough – Victor Caratini can play first base, Ian Happ can play first base, Kris Bryant can play first base – but you can’t replace Rizzo’s bat. Fingers crossed for the MRI.
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Post by: craig on July 15, 2020, 09:13:08 am
Tangent, but I think 1B defense is underrated.  It has the reputation of being the easiest position to play, which is true in that you don't need to be fast or have a good arm.  So tools-wise, it's relatively accessible.  But there are a lot of groundballs to field, and a lot of imperfect throws to manage.  A 1B is involved in more plays per game than any of the other 6 IF/OF, and I suspect is involved in more non-routine plays than any of them, too.  I say that to appreciate the good quality of 1B defense the Cubs have gotten at 1B from Rizzo, and for much of my younger memory from Mark Grace as well.  So while we can say "all those guys can play 1st if Rizzo is out, Caratini, Bryant, Happ, Schwarber, Bote, Phegley...", I suspect that replacing an excellent defensive 1B with an inexperienced one might make more difference than I sometimes think...When I was a kid, all of my friends were RH, and none of us hit opposite-way grounders to 1B.  The 1B was strictly about catching throws from the other infielders.  In the exceptional case where we would hit to 1B, it would be some flukey weak squib, not something hit hard.  With mlb lineups almost equally lefty-right, and with so much opposite-field hitting, I think 1B fields about as many ground balls and line drives, and hit about as hard, as does the 3B.  Obviously 3B has the long throw and needs the strong arm that 1B does not.
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Post by: davep on July 15, 2020, 10:26:54 am
I would think that Caratini would be the best option at first base.  That allows Schwarber to DH most of the time, and makes room for Souza to play left, if he is looking good.

Does anyone know how Souza has been looking?
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 15, 2020, 10:42:41 am
Game today will be on Marquee at 12:30.

Happ>Souza
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Post by: craig on July 15, 2020, 10:56:54 am
Souza says that he's healthier now than he was in spring training, that his legs are stronger and he spend a lot of the months since then strengthening them.  Not sure he's 6-games-a-week good, but sounds like his legs will be fine.  Think his question will be whether he can hit at all. 

I wonder how adequate Schwarber himself might be at 1B?  In OF I've thought his range was limited, and while his arm has been strong that his setup for outfield throws is often sub-par.  But in terms of just being coordinated enough to catch what he can reach, he's been good.  Rizzo has been an iron-man for much of his career, but he's in his 30's now, and a cranky back doesn't seem to be the easiest thing to fix.  If Schwarber improved enough defensively to be a capable alternative, for this year and next, using him at 1B when Rizzo can't play might be a nice way to get Schwarber out of LF without needing to burn the DH spot on him. 

Plus with Rizzo expiring next year, and being 32 when he does, and perhaps with some chronic back issues, it may be that *if* Schwarber can hit, that perhaps he might be a primary 1B after next year?  Cubs don't have any good-hitting 1B's in the minors, so there is no obvious succession plan for Rizzo within the system. 
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Post by: craig on July 15, 2020, 11:06:16 am
There was reference to Almora being absent, and Ross not saying why.  I think he ran into the wall recently, so who knows whether he's got concussion or some other collision-related injury.  Or something else, who knows. 

But they may be kinda slim on position players, outfielders in particular.  May not really have decent-hitting OFers to spare for DH and 1B...
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 15, 2020, 11:41:09 am
I thought he played yesterday.

Cubs have six guys awaiting COVID tests.
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Post by: Dave23 on July 15, 2020, 12:05:26 pm
Caratini was my first thought for 1B as well...
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Post by: craig on July 15, 2020, 07:44:08 pm
Chatwood gave up a 3-run HR to Happ in the 3rd, perhaps a little bit wind-aided.  And a long HR to Contreras in the 4th. I think that made it 4-3 in the 4th-inning highly, so scoring some runs. 
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Post by: Reb on July 16, 2020, 12:57:26 am
Tangent, but I think 1B defense is underrated.  It has the reputation of being the easiest position to play, which is true in that you don't need to be fast or have a good arm.  So tools-wise, it's relatively accessible.  But there are a lot of groundballs to field, and a lot of imperfect throws to manage.  A 1B is involved in more plays per game than any of the other 6 IF/OF, and I suspect is involved in more non-routine plays than any of them, too.  I say that to appreciate the good quality of 1B defense the Cubs have gotten at 1B from Rizzo, and for much of my younger memory from Mark Grace as well.  So while we can say "all those guys can play 1st if Rizzo is out, Caratini, Bryant, Happ, Schwarber, Bote, Phegley...", I suspect that replacing an excellent defensive 1B with an inexperienced one might make more difference than I sometimes think...When I was a kid, all of my friends were RH, and none of us hit opposite-way grounders to 1B.  The 1B was strictly about catching throws from the other infielders.  In the exceptional case where we would hit to 1B, it would be some flukey weak squib, not something hit hard.  With mlb lineups almost equally lefty-right, and with so much opposite-field hitting, I think 1B fields about as many ground balls and line drives, and hit about as hard, as does the 3B.  Obviously 3B has the long throw and needs the strong arm that 1B does not.

Yeah, agree. I recall when Cubs in 2000/2001 went from Grace at 1B to Stairs/McGriff and then McGriff the following year, we could really see the #of plays not being made that Grace was making for years.

Think that if we could better quantify 1B defense, Keith Hernandez would have been much closer to getting in HOF.

Maybe Curt can weigh in on his observations of Frank Chance’s defense?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 16, 2020, 07:32:56 am
Frank Chance was overrated.  Evers was the star.
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Post by: Bennett on July 16, 2020, 08:12:50 am
Frank Chance was overrated.  Evers was the star.
How long before DaveP says "Curt should know, he was there"?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 16, 2020, 03:51:55 pm
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/16/cubs-first-exhibition-game-against-the-white-sox-on-sunday-will-be-on-espn/
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 19, 2020, 03:43:51 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdUK6iXXoAAvdJ7?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: brjones on July 19, 2020, 07:08:39 pm
The sound is out of sync on ESPN--you can hear the bat hitting the ball well before you actually see it.
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Post by: Bennett on July 19, 2020, 07:18:03 pm
The sound is out of sync on ESPN--you can hear the bat hitting the ball well before you actually see it.

It's not even close.  Also noticeable when the ball hits the catcher's glove.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 19, 2020, 07:41:33 pm
Maybe it's social distancing.
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Post by: brjones on July 19, 2020, 07:47:30 pm
I like the fake crowd noise, it helps it not feel so empty.

I don't know why the Cubs aren't selling cardboard cutouts to fans to fill some seats like some other teams are doing. Seems like that's an easy way to make a little money. 
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Post by: JR on July 19, 2020, 08:11:41 pm
I like the fake crowd noise, it helps it not feel so empty.

Yeah I've liked the fake crowd noise on some of the soccer games I've watched.  Glad it seems to be working for baseball too.

I watched a little bit of Pirates and Indians the other night, and I thought it worked pretty well then too.
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Post by: brjones on July 19, 2020, 08:43:15 pm
Hendricks wasn't super sharp tonight, but got in the pitches he needed to get in. Also got a little unlucky--Abreu had two of the weakest and luckiest hits you'll ever see tonight.

Now Cotton came in and he's just getting pounded.
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Post by: Deeg on July 19, 2020, 09:00:21 pm
I like the fake crowd noise, it helps it not feel so empty.

I don't know why the Cubs aren't selling cardboard cutouts to fans to fill some seats like some other teams are doing. Seems like that's an easy way to make a little money. 

One team in Korea was using stuffed animals.  That remains my favorite so far.

I've been watching re-started European soccer for a few weeks, and most networks offer two feeds - one with fake crowd noise, one "au naturel".  I haven't decided which I prefer but I guess the fake crowd noise is less disconcerting than the echoing airport hanger effect.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 19, 2020, 09:42:09 pm
Cubs trail the White Sox 7-2 in the 8th.  New acquisition Winkler pitched a very efficient eighth inning -- he only needed maybe six or seven pitches -- and Bote and Javy made some nice grabs on hard-hit ground balls.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 19, 2020, 10:03:22 pm
Descalso's Cubs career is on life support. Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the cuts when they have to start reducing the roster to less than 30 two weeks into the season.
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Post by: brjones on July 19, 2020, 10:12:49 pm
Rowan Wick looked pretty impressive in the 9th. He walked a guy, but also K'd two and got a weak grounder. But his pitches looked almost unhittable as long as he's throwing strikes.
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Post by: davep on July 19, 2020, 11:02:31 pm
I wouldn't worry about the Cubs weak hitting right now.  Everyone knows that the Cubs offense always gets off to a slow start every year because of the cold weather early in the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 20, 2020, 12:18:50 am
https://youtu.be/M0T1eK7JLPc
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robb on July 20, 2020, 01:32:37 am
I wouldn't worry about the Cubs weak hitting right now.  Everyone knows that the Cubs offense always gets off to a slow start every year because of the cold weather early in the season.
They have plenty of time to get it going. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on July 20, 2020, 10:08:42 am
Once the weather warms up, they will take off.
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Post by: Bennett on July 22, 2020, 01:48:36 pm
Anthony Rizzo is back.  MLB Network is televising the game.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdjMt_1WsAECATb?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 22, 2020, 06:23:31 pm
The Cubs just had a cool new graphic on their broadcast. They showed how many feet the wind would impact a fly ball tonight. The wind has these impacts tonight:

So the wind will cause a fly ball to leftfield to go 1 foot less than in a neutral envrionment. But in right field, the ball will fly 19 feet more than in a neutral environment. They also showed left center (+4), center (+12), and right center (+18).
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Post by: brjones on July 22, 2020, 07:10:38 pm
If Contreras stays as locked in as he's been, he's going to be DHing a lot when he's not starting at catcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 22, 2020, 07:12:49 pm
The MLB Network coverage is with a one hour time delay - ^#(&!%
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Post by: JR on July 22, 2020, 07:58:04 pm
The fake crowd had an “MVP” chant going in the middle of Contreras’s third AB.
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Post by: craig on July 22, 2020, 09:13:24 pm
Maples lets in two runs.  One on a passed ball, the other a wild pitch. 

Wieck pitched the 9th, his fastball was 90-92.  I may be misremembering, but I thought he was maybe a couple mph faster last year? 
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 22, 2020, 10:09:49 pm
He averaged 93.7 last year. He was still getting swings and misses, but the velocity is concerning.

Underwood looked good.
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Post by: DelMarFan on July 23, 2020, 12:02:29 am
I loved Grace as a player, but the segment with him on the broadcast was painful.  He actually interrupted a cerebral point JD was making in order to observe that Homer is a terrible name for a pitcher.
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Post by: Bennett on July 24, 2020, 02:42:24 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdtxoDrXYAEVSXc?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: Dave23 on July 24, 2020, 02:49:28 pm
Nico over Kipnis against a righty...interesting...
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 24, 2020, 03:06:18 pm
I'm surprised.  I though Kipnis was going to get way too much playing time. 

The Brewers pitcher has heavy lefty vs right splits which makes it even more shocking.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 06:11:53 pm
Not going to lie, the new Brewers alternates look really sharp.
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Post by: Bennett on July 24, 2020, 06:16:55 pm
I've gotten used to the ads in the bleachers.  They're almost preferable to empty seats.

Are Len and JD wearing coats and ties for opening day or the entire season?

The Marquee graphics are ok but I wish the number of outs was shown with a number instead of making you count dots that may or may not be there.


CB Bucknor at 1B.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 06:16:55 pm
Easy first for Hendricks.
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 06:22:04 pm
Nice 10 pitch AB for Bryant to start the game, even though it ended in a fly out.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 06:46:57 pm
Hendricks looks really good.  88-89 fastball, the usual command.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 06:47:57 pm
Was that hand sanitizer Rizzo just gave Arcia?
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 06:48:41 pm
LOL, yup.
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 06:55:31 pm
HAPP!!  2-0 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 06:55:47 pm
Happ!!!!!
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 06:56:32 pm
Great AB by Happ there.  Really encouraging.

Hope the club invested in good elbow pads.
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Post by: Bennett on July 24, 2020, 06:57:03 pm
When David Ross was being interviewed all of the nearby players were wearing masks.  As Happ rounded the bases on his homer, none of them had a mask on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 07:01:45 pm
We may be seeing Dietrich sooner than expected.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 07:11:07 pm
This is Maddux-like.
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Post by: davep on July 24, 2020, 07:13:38 pm
8 strikeouts for Hendricks through the first 4 innings.
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 07:14:24 pm
8 strikeouts on only 48 pitches in 4 innings. This is as good as he's ever looked.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 07:21:27 pm
I was gonna say...8 Ks in 4 innings on only 48 pitches tells you how good he's been.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 07:24:35 pm
Am I wrong, or are they not whipping balls around the infield after an out?  Is that a COVID-19 thing?
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 07:26:55 pm
56 pitches, 42 strikes.
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 07:27:07 pm
56 pitches through 5 innings. He was stretched out to about 85 pitches last time out--I think Len had mentioned that would get him ready to be able to throw about 100 pitches on opening day. If Hendricks keeps pitching like this, he might have a shot at an opening day complete game.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 24, 2020, 07:27:23 pm
Hendricks with a nice easy fifth.
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Post by: Robb on July 24, 2020, 07:36:58 pm
Late arriving crowd tonight.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 07:45:47 pm
Hendricks still rolling through 6.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:04:13 pm
Opening day complete game?  72 pitches thru 7.
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 08:05:06 pm
Contreras seems to have a new framing strategy--move his glove so much that the umpire gets confused and just calls a strike.

Hendricks through 7 on just over 70 pitches. He really could finish this one.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:05:30 pm
Literally impossible to have too much Bill Murray on a Cubs broadcast.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 24, 2020, 08:06:12 pm
Would love to see a CG for Hendricks today.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 08:11:09 pm
This game feels like it’s really flown by.
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 08:11:09 pm
Cain is still so good in CF. He just looks so effortless on plays like that Hoerner ball, which a lot of centerfielders would have trouble getting to.
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Post by: Robb on July 24, 2020, 08:18:22 pm
If Hendricks gets through 8 you have to give him a chance in the 9th, right?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:19:05 pm
Going to be veeery interesting to see what Rossy does for the 9th.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 08:19:21 pm
Do we really want to bring Kimbrel in to close it?
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 08:19:25 pm
Hendricks didn't look quite as sharp in the 8th, but the Brewers still couldn't make hard contact against him. He's still under 90 pitches, so he should go out there for the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:23:33 pm
Hendricks didn't look quite as sharp in the 8th, but the Brewers still couldn't make hard contact against him. He's still under 90 pitches, so he should go out there for the 9th.

Tough call.  He definitely didn't look as sharp, but I suppose I'd give him the ball until he allows a baserunner. 
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:24:33 pm
Could see KB Rizz going yard off this guy.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 24, 2020, 08:26:34 pm
Brewers avoid a collision as four guys are all shouting "got it!" on a short fly ball.  They catch it, but Sogard's hat gets knocked off by another player.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:27:56 pm
That helps.
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Post by: EightyTwo on July 24, 2020, 08:30:50 pm
To the 9th we go!
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 08:30:57 pm
Rizzo!!!
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Post by: Robb on July 24, 2020, 08:32:07 pm
That helped for sure. 
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Post by: CurtOne on July 24, 2020, 08:32:53 pm
Interesting comment a few innings ago.  Each game is almost equal to a series in win value.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:34:26 pm
Short leash called for here.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:35:36 pm
Use the yacker here 0-2.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:36:23 pm
Nice for Yelich not to be the tying run.  Thanks, Rizz.
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Post by: Robb on July 24, 2020, 08:36:34 pm
Weak grounder to 2nd. Yelich cannot tie it.
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:38:32 pm
Yacker, yacker...
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:40:07 pm
Last hitter either way.
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 08:40:09 pm
1 more to go!
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Post by: Tuffy on July 24, 2020, 08:41:00 pm
Ross comes out to the mound; for a minute I thought he was going to take Hendricks out with just one out to go.  It feels like Hendricks has been removed in the ninth inning a lot, though it's probably only been a handful of times.
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Post by: EightyTwo on July 24, 2020, 08:41:02 pm
Cubs win!
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Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 08:41:04 pm
What a performance.
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Post by: EightyTwo on July 24, 2020, 08:41:18 pm
That was beautiful.
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Post by: mO on July 24, 2020, 08:41:29 pm
Cubs - 3
Webelos - 0
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Post by: JR on July 24, 2020, 08:41:37 pm
Cubs Win!!!!
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Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:41:47 pm
Maddux-like.

Any game the bullpen allows no runs I like our chances.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 24, 2020, 08:42:17 pm
CUBS WIN!

All three Milwaukee hits come from the 9-spot.  The DH may have kept Hendricks in the game all the way, but not having it might have meant a no-hitter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 08:45:46 pm
CUBS WIN!

All three Milwaukee hits come from the 9-spot.  The DH may have kept Hendricks in the game all the way, but not having it might have meant a no-hitter.

Try perfect game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 24, 2020, 09:00:08 pm
As deeg said, HR by Rizzo was so huge.  Think Ross might have otherwise brought in Kimbrel once tying run came up. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on July 24, 2020, 09:15:53 pm
Of course, Kimbrel has dominated the Brewers for us.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on July 24, 2020, 10:06:10 pm
Just read that Hendricks is first pitcher in MLB since 1992 to throw a 3-hit (or better) shutout on opening day.

1992 guy was HOFer Tom Glavine.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 24, 2020, 10:17:01 pm
It's also the first 9 inning complete game on opening day for any team since 2013 (technically, there were two "complete games" in the 5+ inning game in Washington last night).

It was a really impressive game. Probably the most memorable Cubs opening day since at least the Tuffy Rhodes game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 24, 2020, 10:20:18 pm
Cubs - 3
Webelos - 0

Would you say the blue-and-yellow guys were our scout team today?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on July 24, 2020, 10:41:24 pm
Ross comes out to the mound; for a minute I thought he was going to take Hendricks out with just one out to go.  It feels like Hendricks has been removed in the ninth inning a lot, though it's probably only been a handful of times.

Maddon seldom let him get anywhere near the ninth inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 24, 2020, 10:48:14 pm
Hendricks doesn't throw hard enough to be a winner.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on July 24, 2020, 10:57:32 pm
Hendricks doesn't throw hard enough to be a winner.

Yeah, that used to be a topic worth discussing around here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 24, 2020, 11:06:52 pm
Hendricks was always effective when he was throwing 88-89 like he was today.  85-86 not so much.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on July 25, 2020, 01:39:59 am
Statcast had Hendricks averaging 87.6 tonight with both his sinker and 4-seamer. Identical.

He threw 33 changes (averaging 80.1) and 11 curves (averaging 72.9).

Remarkable performance. Don’t think anybody got to 2B.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 25, 2020, 09:27:07 am
CB Bucknor calls balls and strikes

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 10:12:56 am
It's just two games, but it looks like Ross wants to have a more consistent lineup than Maddon had.

I like the non-starting catcher in the DH spot, hopefully that continues.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 25, 2020, 10:20:24 am
Although Contreras is probably a better LF than Schwarber.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 10:23:58 am
Well, he certainly is a better catcher than Schwarber.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 12:11:51 pm
The virtual fans on Fox don't look that bad, although they only show them on wide shots. It's kind of weird to see them disappear and reappear when they change the camera.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 12:31:12 pm
It's the bottom of the first and CB Bucknor has already called at least two pitches obviously wrong. I don't understand how he keeps his job.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 25, 2020, 12:44:20 pm
That’s quite the hairdo Darvish has going on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 12:45:35 pm
Heh, I was going to post that he needs a haircut
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 12:51:57 pm
The Cubs: still terrible at executing run downs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 25, 2020, 12:52:34 pm
I guess we needed a longer summer camp on that last play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 12:53:32 pm
JR mail
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 12:54:22 pm
Cubs practicing social distancing on a run down.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 12:56:52 pm
Tie game because of sloppy defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 12:59:29 pm
Announcers making excuses when guys have practiced run downs since Little League.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 01:02:39 pm
This isn't the first time the Cubs have blown a run down, it's happened way too often over the last few years. Even when they do get an out, they almost always make about twice as many throws as they should need to make. I don't know why they can't seem to clean that up.

This game has been going about an hour and they're just now starting the bottom of the second. Darvish is already almost halfway to Hendricks' pitch count from last night. They need to pick up the pace.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 01:23:13 pm
When Cubs get in a pickle, it's an out.  When the other team is in the pickle, it's an adventure.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 01:57:38 pm
Caratini should have rammed the 3B
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robb on July 25, 2020, 02:10:05 pm
Strikeouts, bad defense and Heyward grounding to the right side weakly. Cubs are in mid season form. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 25, 2020, 02:15:31 pm
Schwarber!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: VJ on July 25, 2020, 02:18:13 pm
cgi crowd/noise is more annoying than the ads...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 02:37:20 pm
Even for CB Bucknor, this is a terrible strikezone.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 02:45:16 pm
This bullpen is going to be awful. They've given up runs in every inning so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 25, 2020, 02:45:52 pm
Our strategy of trying to build a bullpen on the cheap isn't showing up very well today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 03:02:56 pm
Hayward still taking pitches right down the middle.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 03:04:40 pm
Our strategy of trying to build a bullpen on the cheap isn't showing up very well today.
the guys used today are, in my mind, our mop ups.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robb on July 25, 2020, 03:29:15 pm
Could they CGI our bullpen? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robert L on July 25, 2020, 03:43:55 pm
these announcers suck
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 25, 2020, 04:32:23 pm
Friday night pitch count
Brewers staff - 129
Kyle Hendricks - 103

Saturday afternoon pitch count
Brewers staff - 174
Cubs staff - 158
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on July 25, 2020, 04:37:23 pm
I did not watch the game. What was the deal with Darvish?  No walks, but 6 hits and 3 runs in 4 IP. Not quite what I was expecting, particularly after his second half last season.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 25, 2020, 05:03:35 pm
Darvish was extremely inefficient, piling up gobs of pitches that were never going to allow him to go far. He had one bad inning where he gave up some solid contact. Then the bullpen happened.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 25, 2020, 05:07:52 pm
The botched run down didn't help. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 25, 2020, 06:06:41 pm
Darvish was extremely inefficient, piling up gobs of pitches that were never going to allow him to go far. He had one bad inning where he gave up some solid contact. Then the bullpen happened.


I did not watch the game. What was the deal with Darvish?  No walks, but 6 hits and 3 runs in 4 IP. Not quite what I was expecting, particularly after his second half last season.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 25, 2020, 06:13:48 pm
I did not watch the game. What was the deal with Darvish?  No walks, but 6 hits and 3 runs in 4 IP. Not quite what I was expecting, particularly after his second half last season.  Thoughts?

I didn't see the 1st or 2nd, just Darvish in the 3rd and 4th. 
*But to me he seemed really wild; a lot of the misses were way off. 
*He could have walked several, I think, but they chased some wild ones. 
*Partly to avoid walks it seemed he grooved some fastballs? 
*At least in those two innings, he didn't seem sharp to me. 
*Looked more like a low-command double-A pitcher, where you say "he's got some good stuff, he could be a good prospect if he could ever learn to command it." 

That was just my impression from those two innings.  And he was up over 60 pitches by inning four, so perhaps he was tired by then, so that inning may not have been reflective? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on July 25, 2020, 11:08:29 pm
Keep in mind that Darvish didn't get into that terrific groove last year until June.

Last year, he walked 11 batters in his first two starts—-7 IP combined.

Seemed to be fighting himself a bit today. His delivery is a bit more complicated than most.

It’s just one start but everything is a big deal in a 60-game season.

That rundown play today was horrific. Cubs need to cut that little league stuff.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 25, 2020, 11:27:38 pm
That rundown play today was horrific. Cubs need to cut that little league stuff.

This infield has been together for 5 years, and they've always been terrible at executing rundowns. I don't think it's going to change. It should've been something they focused on improving in spring/summer training, but that obviously didn't happen.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 26, 2020, 10:30:41 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 26, 2020, 01:38:59 pm
Chatty with a no-no
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 26, 2020, 01:45:15 pm
Through 2!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 26, 2020, 01:47:44 pm
LOL. Yesterday my wife was beeching about the Fox announcers .  Today she says these guys are almost as good as last year's.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 01:52:29 pm
Is it just me or does Schwarber look like he might've put the weight back on?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 26, 2020, 01:54:45 pm
I was thinking the same thing a couple days ago. He might not be at his highest weight, but he looks heavier than last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 02:22:44 pm
Not quite as big in the gut as a few years ago, but noticeably heavier.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 02:23:21 pm
This is the best Chatwood has looked over this long a stretch (4 IP). Dominant thus far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: EightyTwo on July 26, 2020, 02:25:07 pm
Nice to see them take advantage of the leadoff walk.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 02:45:07 pm
Tons of solid contact in the 4th. Hoerner and Caratini can add an extra dimension to this team.

Bryant fans again with two on after the first six reach. Now 0-12 w/ 5 K's.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 02:53:35 pm
Schwarber fans with the bases loaded. Big inning, but could've been a huge one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 03:18:04 pm
Be interesting to see if Chatwood comes out for the 7th. He's at 84 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 03:20:02 pm
Chatwood works through the 6th, at 84 pitches.  Done?  Or is he built up enough to try for one more? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 03:22:22 pm
Curious, Ross has Phegley pinch-hit for Caratini.  (Whiffs.) 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 03:24:47 pm
Bryant bloops a single into short right center, and he's on the board. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 03:33:02 pm
Sadler in for Chatwood and walks the leadoff man on 4 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 03:40:45 pm
Sadler with Cubs debut, walks 2 of 3 and he's done.  Many of the balls weren't very close or tempting.  Not like pitches that looked like strikes and just broke barely out of the zone, but more like pitches that never had a chance. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 03:53:10 pm
Contreras just hit one 9 miles.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 26, 2020, 03:54:39 pm
451 feet according to Statcast.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 26, 2020, 03:57:39 pm
https://twitter.com/Starting9/status/1287492085944377344
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 26, 2020, 04:08:42 pm
Contreras just hit one 9 miles.
. I've told you a million times not to exaggerate
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 26, 2020, 04:10:52 pm
Happ needs to be moved up to 6th in the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 26, 2020, 04:11:42 pm
Happ and Rizzo homer in the 8th off Justin Grimm.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 26, 2020, 04:31:35 pm
Just to state the obvious...if Chatwood can pitch anywhere close to as good as he did today all season, I feel a lot better about the Cubs chances this year. That was probably his best outing as a Cub.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on July 26, 2020, 04:42:55 pm
With the wind blowing out at Wrigley, pitching to 1 run and 3 hits is a major achievement.

Two fantastic pitching games out of three for the Cubs.

On top of that, Reds and Cards lose today and, of course, Brewers lose.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on July 26, 2020, 04:45:37 pm
Happ needs to be moved up to 6th in the lineup.

Yeah, if he has good ABs and hits, Happ is a good fit there.

Guessing that Ross wants to ease him into a higher lineup spot before too long.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on July 26, 2020, 04:57:16 pm
Happ could conceivably score a lot of runs hitting in front of Bryant and Rizzo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 05:48:33 pm
3 games in, I admit that I like having the DH.  Kind of fun to feel like you get 3 outs every inning. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 05:50:22 pm
Hoerner's AB have looked pretty professional.  I don't mind having him come up, at least for now.  Hoerner and Caratini seem to give some pretty competitive AB, kind of fun to watch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 26, 2020, 05:52:22 pm
As noted by everybody, great outing by Chatwood.  Would that be awesome if he'd be able to pitch well relatively often.  Happy for him, and for the team. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 26, 2020, 06:10:54 pm
Happ could conceivably score a lot of runs hitting in front of Bryant and Rizzo.

Yeah, not so sure you’re going to see him move anytime soon.  With a DH your 9 hitter isn’t normally your 9th-best hitter.  He should see a lot of hittable fastballs in front of Bryzzo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on July 27, 2020, 08:45:48 am
Marlin's home opener cancelled.  14 players and coaches test positive for Covid 19.

If the season ends today, are the Cubs the world series winners?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 27, 2020, 09:36:33 am
Bleacher Nation  @BleacherNation  28m
Not to pile on, but it's worth keeping in mind today that the Reds had multiple players sit out yesterday because they were not feeling well. Test results will be forthcoming, and protocols, and all that. But Cubs are scheduled to play there today at 5:40pm CT.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on July 27, 2020, 10:06:22 am
Yankee game cancelled today.  Fear of entering the clubhouse just occupied by the Marlins.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 27, 2020, 01:06:58 pm
81% chance of rain in Cincinnati Monday evening.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 27, 2020, 01:40:28 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 01:40:55 pm
Tonight's game should have already been postponed. There's no reason to make the teams go to the ballpark when there's little chance it's getting played (and there almost certainly will be a long delay if it does get played, which is something you want to avoid).

And the Reds even have a couple suspected cases--everyone on their team should be getting tested today to try to avoid another Marlins situation.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 04:09:20 pm
Looks like the rain chance has gone down a lot since a few hours ago, so maybe they get this one in after all.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 27, 2020, 05:21:04 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on July 27, 2020, 05:25:28 pm
They have the excuse they need to postpone this game and they should take it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 27, 2020, 05:44:11 pm
Umpires:
HP--Additon
1B--Baker
2B--Bacon
3B--Barksdale
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on July 27, 2020, 06:21:22 pm
They have the excuse they need to postpone this game and they should take it.

Why?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 27, 2020, 06:42:13 pm
Hey, Dave, congratulations.  I heard you could park near schools and playgrounds again.  I'm proud of you.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 06:51:12 pm
Just watched yesterday's botched rundown; that was Little League caliber.

Are there now other teams with infected players? It seems surprising at this late date - New York state had its peak in April and has had an exponential decline since then.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 27, 2020, 07:02:01 pm
I hope some of you guys have been able to watch the Lou Piniella rain delay interview.  Pretty good stuff.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 27, 2020, 07:04:01 pm
Marquee rain delay programming was Ryan Dempster with Eddie Vetters and then Jake Arietta.

Start time 7:25 CDT
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 07:39:12 pm
Cubs up 3-0 in the first on a Contreras RBI double followed by a Souza 2 run double.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 07:39:56 pm
Bote knocks in Souza, 4-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 07:42:34 pm
There going to need more than that with and old broke down Lester on the mound against the mighty reds who worked them last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 08:08:23 pm
6?  They might have a chance at a win with that number.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 08:43:36 pm
Through three innings, Lester has allowed just one baserunner.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 09:47:36 pm
Bote hits a long double to the left center field gap to bring Contreras in, and it's 9-1.

Now Hoerner follows with an infield hit, Almora is hit on the ankle by a pitch, and Bryant strikes out with the bases loaded to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 09:55:19 pm
You are giving them too much credit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:04:14 pm
The bullpen is determined to make this a close game. 8-3 now. 2 on, 2 out in the 7th for Winker.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:05:33 pm
HBP, bases loaded. VanMeter can make this a one run game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:06:57 pm
6 HBP total tonight between the two teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:07:55 pm
Tepera gets the K. So 8-3 through 7, could've been worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Boris From Downunder on July 27, 2020, 10:11:09 pm
The VanMeter. 000 and steady
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:29:21 pm
8-5 in the 8th. This bullpen is terrible. I still can't believe the Ricketts family couldn't come up with $2 million to bring back Strop.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 10:31:37 pm
Souza misplays a ball and it's 8-5.  I miss Strop.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Boris From Downunder on July 27, 2020, 10:33:22 pm
Get Farnsworth back!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:38:54 pm
OK.  Hold on to your seats folks.  Blown save opportunity...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 10:39:10 pm
Kimbrel is coming in to see if he can hold a three-run lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on July 27, 2020, 10:39:47 pm
Kimbrel?  The horror!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:42:12 pm
Kimbrel looks different without the beard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:43:04 pm
from 0-2 to 3-2  great
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:43:42 pm
ball 4
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 10:44:26 pm
Kimbrel walks Castellanos to open the inning, though ball four looks like it might have nicked the inside part of the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:44:41 pm
passed ball

wild pitch.  Whatever the **** it was it wasn't good.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:46:02 pm
Tie run on deck
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:48:12 pm
If it weren't for the wild pitch that would be a double play ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:51:09 pm
Another full count

And another walk.

Tie run at the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 10:52:06 pm
Tying run coming up in the person of Shogo Akiyama.  I wish the Cubs had signed him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:52:31 pm
Worst bullpen in baseball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 10:53:21 pm
Even if the Cubs hang on and win this, it feels like a loss.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:54:06 pm
He was safe.  Waste of time here
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:55:35 pm
He tried to hit the batter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:55:59 pm
And he tried to hit him in the knee a second time.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:56:21 pm
3-1 all in the same spot. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 10:56:33 pm
No one up in the pen, so Ross is going to let Kimbrel blow this.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:57:07 pm
I would too.  Your paid to close.  If you don't you get the loss.

He walked him basses loaded one out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:58:00 pm
He lucked into strike one
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:58:44 pm
Wow.  He tried to throw it away that time
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 10:59:32 pm
Finally hit him.  8-6 bases still loaded one out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:00:13 pm
Tie run at second now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 11:00:28 pm
Another hit batsman and it's 8-6; the winning run is on first.

And the guy coming up to bat has reached base every time he has come to the plate in the major leagues.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 11:00:32 pm
Jeffress up now, but it's probably too late.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: vander-built on July 27, 2020, 11:00:34 pm
This is one of the worst managed games
I’ve ever seen. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:00:57 pm
1-1.  Kimbrel doesn't know where its going.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:01:18 pm
Finally a good pitch.  1-2
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 11:02:02 pm
This is one of the worst managed games
I’ve ever seen. 

This hasn't been a well-managed 9th inning, but there's only so much Ross can do when the Ricketts refuse to pay for even one decent reliever.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:02:30 pm
He is paid to close.  Do your job.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:02:45 pm
3-2
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:03:13 pm
I am glad I stayed up to watch this pile of steaming ****.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:03:52 pm
Walk.  8-7 one out bases still loaded.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 11:03:54 pm
He is paid to close.  Do your job.

I don't care what he's paid for. He's bad. Letting him stay in this long is just brutal managing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 11:04:44 pm
We need a miracle from Jeffress.

What a waste of money Kimbrel has been.  How do you go from a career ERA under 2.00 to this garbage?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: vander-built on July 27, 2020, 11:05:50 pm
Why was Lester pulled so early?  Why not keep Wick in?  Why take Tepara out?  Kimbrel sucks you can’t not have someone up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:06:44 pm
Double play is in order here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:07:56 pm
Lester should punch Kimbrel in the mouth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:08:17 pm
from 0-2 to 2-2
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 11:08:19 pm
4 walks and a HBP by Kimbrel. Pulled at least 3 batters too late.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 11:08:23 pm
If Jeffress can get these two outs, he will have earned this save.  There really should be an index where saves with the tying run in scoring position count for a lot more than coming in at the beginning of the ninth with a three-run lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: vander-built on July 27, 2020, 11:08:36 pm
We keep getting ahead of their hitters and then throwing way out of the zone.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:08:50 pm
LOL 3-2  this is comical. 
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:09:34 pm
Wow. swung at ball 4
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Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 11:09:44 pm
Jeffress gets a K on ball 4.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:10:05 pm
No time to relax here.  Still need to get Votto
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Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 11:10:28 pm
Finally a Reds batter misjudges a pitch and we get the second out.

Votto looking to win the game for them.  Come on, Jeffress.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:10:41 pm
1-0  Votto already choking up just to get contact.
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Post by: Robb on July 27, 2020, 11:11:11 pm
Of course Votto is up
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:11:29 pm
Tried to hit him.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:12:08 pm
3-1.  Walk in the tie.  Typical cub move.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:12:50 pm
Got him to foul one off.  Full count bases loaded two outs.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:13:29 pm
Got him to fly to center.  WIN
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Post by: Robert L on July 27, 2020, 11:13:45 pm
wow
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Post by: Tuffy on July 27, 2020, 11:13:47 pm
Had 'em all the way!
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Post by: Robb on July 27, 2020, 11:14:05 pm
Holy crap that was tagged. Cubs win though,  I guess.
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Post by: JR on July 27, 2020, 11:14:10 pm
Cubs Win!!!
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Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:14:20 pm
Now everyone should go punch Kimbrel in the mouth.
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Post by: Deeg on July 27, 2020, 11:14:57 pm
Never in doubt.
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Post by: Reb on July 27, 2020, 11:15:49 pm
Kimbrel gets the hold. Nice job.
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Post by: JeffH on July 27, 2020, 11:16:05 pm
Kimbrel looks different without the beard.

He looks a little like Bobby Flay.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 27, 2020, 11:16:24 pm
What a super job of managing!
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Post by: CurtOne on July 27, 2020, 11:18:25 pm
I said Wick should close last year.  I still believe it.  cubs management needs to wake up.   The Red Sox didn't make Kimbrel an offer nor did the rest of baseball.  Somebody knew something.  Let him do mop up games to see if he's salvageable but keep him out of the closer spot.
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Post by: Deeg on July 27, 2020, 11:19:48 pm
Kimbrel sucks, but the larger issue is that - who knew - if you comprise an entire bullpen out of castoffs and career minor leaguers, it's probably going to be a bad bullpen.
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Post by: Deeg on July 27, 2020, 11:22:20 pm
Still, to look on the bright side, it would have sucked to lose the last game of the season.  Love to end on a positive note.
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Post by: Chris27 on July 27, 2020, 11:26:34 pm
Must be that lack of spring training again. Well, maybe next year.
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Post by: Reb on July 27, 2020, 11:26:51 pm
Have not seen confirmation yet, but I believe that this game set a modern day record for most HBP in a game by both teams:  8.

Ties record set in 1897.

AL record is 7.

Reds tied record by one team:  6.
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Post by: brjones on July 27, 2020, 11:53:45 pm
Even with 8 out of 15 NL teams going to the playoffs, it's going to be difficult for the Cubs to make it as long as their best relievers are Rowan Wick and Kyle Ryan.

Strop, Cishek, and Kintzler signed for a combined total of a little over $11 million (now about $4.5 million in COVID dollars). Bringing back two of them would've been pocket change in MLB. The Ricketts family sucks, they should sell the team if they can't afford that.
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Post by: Reb on July 28, 2020, 12:18:22 am
Don’t forget David Phelps too.

Phelps was outstanding tonight for the Brewers. Pitched the 10th and 11th and allowed nothing, even with an “initial placement” runner in each inning.

Phelps is on a $1.5 one-year guaranteed deal.
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Post by: Robb on July 28, 2020, 12:36:10 am
All these guys do for a living is play the game. The strike zone isn't that small.  Why the hell can't they throw strikes?  I pitched 8 years through pee wee league and into high school.  I didn't throw 90 mph but had a pretty good fastball change combo.  Nothing special but I never had a problem finding the plate like these guys.  And I didn't do it for a living.  Throw a damn strike.
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 28, 2020, 09:59:12 am
At least Kimbrel didn’t give up a homer.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 10:19:46 am
Has Kimbrel had his phantom injury yet?
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 10:20:31 am
Seriously, is Kimbrel correctable or do we just cut our losses?
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 28, 2020, 10:27:29 am
The Reds didn’t swing at 1 curveball yesterday. He’s either tipping pitches or he’s broken.
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Post by: jacey1 on July 28, 2020, 12:13:16 pm
He is broken....something is wrong physically with him
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Post by: mO on July 28, 2020, 12:24:32 pm
His fastball was 96-97 on the broadcast gun.  Looked like it had plenty of life too.  He just had no idea where it was going.  He threw a couple of breaking balls that I was surprised Reds hitters were able to lay off.

Maybe with repetition he'll start to find his control?  Then his arm will be dead, he'll be down to 90-92 with no life, etc.
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Post by: EightyTwo on July 28, 2020, 12:26:26 pm
Maybe Kimbrel is channeling Shawn Estes. "I have no control over what the ball does after it leaves my hand."
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Post by: JR on July 28, 2020, 12:27:03 pm
The Reds didn’t swing at 1 curveball yesterday. He’s either tipping pitches or he’s broken.

I wonder about that.  Seems like one of our hitters should have picked up on that in summer camp, though? 
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Post by: craig on July 28, 2020, 12:43:55 pm
Not sure any were close enough to tempt?  Or that he had the count to tempt?  If a pitch is on track to be a strike if it doesn't break, but then does break, it's tempting.  But if a curve is on track to be an obvious ball to start with, and then just breaks even further away once it does break, where's the temptation?  Plus, it's a whole lot more tempting to expand when you've got two strikes.  But when Kimbrel is behind on everybody, where's the temptation? 
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 12:48:59 pm
I wonder about that.  Seems like one of our hitters should have picked up on that in summer camp, though? 
I don't think your own hitters are looking for stuff like that unless they're told to look for it.  You rarely study film on your own pitchers.  But if this idea has any legs, bullpen catchers and game catchers can begin focusing on it.
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Post by: CUBluejays on July 28, 2020, 01:25:45 pm
Not sure any were close enough to tempt?  Or that he had the count to tempt?  If a pitch is on track to be a strike if it doesn't break, but then does break, it's tempting.  But if a curve is on track to be an obvious ball to start with, and then just breaks even further away once it does break, where's the temptation?  Plus, it's a whole lot more tempting to expand when you've got two strikes.  But when Kimbrel is behind on everybody, where's the temptation? 

I wasn’t watching super closely, but he seemed to have quite a few 3-2 counts, so I swing even on a bad pitch shoulda happened.

I believe JD mentioned something about a different arm angle on at least one curve.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 01:29:45 pm
So it may be mental.  Going 0-2 on hitters and then walking them may mean he isn't aggressively going after them.  He's trying to nibble them to death. He needs confidence.  Maybe the home runs have fried his brain and he's afraid of using the heater to close out a player.
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Post by: wmljohn on July 28, 2020, 02:15:21 pm
The Reds hitters were too busy jumping out of the way so they wouldn't be hit.
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 02:32:34 pm
Kimbrel's curve won't be effective unless/until he regains his command of the fastball.
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Post by: Reb on July 28, 2020, 02:35:39 pm
By far, most of Kimbrel’s pitches were out of the zone to his arm side—-very few of those even close to the zone. I’m guessing it was a mechanics issue. Not finishing his delivery properly, or the like.

He averaged 96.2 with the heater, which is now typical for him. He had only one swing-and-miss the entire outing, which is amazing for Kimbrel by career standards.

I suppose it’s possible that he’s so freaked out by the gopher ball problem that he’s afraid to challenge hitters. Can’t recall ever seeing his mound demeanor so poor as was late in this outing.

But, it’s one outing and lots of guys have looked like Babe Ruth in a small sample size. Ruth probably looked like Brooks Kieshnick at times.
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Post by: Dave23 on July 28, 2020, 02:41:55 pm
Kieschnick pitching or hitting?
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 03:24:41 pm
Eating hot dogs
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Post by: Reb on July 28, 2020, 03:40:32 pm
https://twitter.com/kiesch23/status/1274798757322936322
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Post by: Bennett on July 28, 2020, 03:58:01 pm
Jason Heyward is 1-13 vs Tyler Mahle

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeCmd05WkAEm3II?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 04:00:08 pm
That's not much of a sample size.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Heyward get some hits tonight.
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 06:39:55 pm
It's working so far, but is there any staff in baseball more dependent on soft-tossers than the Cubs?
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 06:40:45 pm
All about pitch count. 30 pitches in 3 innings is outstanding.
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Post by: Robb on July 28, 2020, 06:44:34 pm
That was a costly check swing by Almora. Wiped out the rally.
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 06:46:55 pm
All about pitch count. 30 pitches in 3 innings is outstanding.

It's all fun and games till someone loses an eye.
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Post by: mO on July 28, 2020, 06:51:18 pm
Castellanos 2-run HR ties it in the 4th.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 06:55:46 pm
Well you cant be perfect. 45 pitches in 4.  Live and learn.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 07:14:08 pm
56 in 5? Mills is hanging tough. 3 - 2 Cubs
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 07:21:01 pm
Now 4-2 after a Nico sac fly.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 07:32:38 pm
Nico, not to be confused with that odd German gal singer who messed around with The Velvet Underground.
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 07:38:40 pm
Not a big enough lead with this bullpen.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 07:46:03 pm
77 pitches thru 6 for Mills. Young guy, he can handle a lot more. Let him roll. Bring in that Ryan fellow If things get tough.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 07:46:03 pm
Happ looked better lower in the order. 
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Post by: Tuffy on July 28, 2020, 07:53:04 pm
We're building a nice picket fence on the scoreboard there.
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 07:53:35 pm
Nice 7th for Sadler.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 28, 2020, 08:00:52 pm
Bote drives another stake into the picket fence, with his homer giving us another single run in the 8th.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 08:06:48 pm
Bote, how do you pronounce his name anyway?
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 08:07:14 pm
Bodee
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 08:18:28 pm
How is it possible in this day and age for a team to have as many rag-arms as we have?
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 08:19:14 pm
Bote, how do you pronounce his name anyway?

Throat-warbler Mangrove
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 08:21:11 pm
Nice 8th for Ryan.  The bullpen has been stellar so far tonight (kiss of death?).
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 08:21:16 pm
Stick with Ryan or bring in Kimbrell? 
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Post by: craig on July 28, 2020, 08:21:48 pm
Nice job by Ryan.  Wonder what Ross will do for the 9th? 
*Jeffress has pitched back-to-back, so I'd think he'd be no.
*Kimbrel through a million pitches, so I'd guess he'd be no. 

I might just leave Ryan in for a 2nd inning.  Maybe Wick? 
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 08:23:37 pm
Wick, if it were up to me.
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Post by: brjones on July 28, 2020, 08:28:03 pm
Wick is warming up.
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Post by: brjones on July 28, 2020, 08:28:17 pm
Won't matter, though. 8-3 on a Baez homer.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 28, 2020, 08:29:37 pm
Do we give Kimbrel another shot now that the lead is big enough?
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Post by: Playtwo on July 28, 2020, 08:29:45 pm
Nice to see Javy break out.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 28, 2020, 08:30:42 pm
I don't understand these home runs off Lorenzen . He throws so hard!
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Post by: Deeg on July 28, 2020, 08:30:59 pm
Do we give Kimbrel another shot now that the lead is big enough?

I'm assuming he threw a ton of pitches yesterday, so I sure wouldn't.


Edit: make that 34.  Might not even be available tomorrow.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 28, 2020, 08:34:04 pm
I'm assuming he threw a ton of pitches yesterday, so I sure wouldn't.


Edit: make that 34.  Might not even be available tomorrow.
OK; Wick it is.  But we're going to need to find a role for Kimbrel and it can't be close games in the ninth inning.
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Post by: Boris From Downunder on July 28, 2020, 08:34:31 pm
Wick is warming up.
John?
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 28, 2020, 08:35:33 pm
I was wondering when he was gonna come alive.  Is he still standing far away from the plate?  I saw he was hit by a pitch but that seemed impossible when I saw his "new" stance on opening day.  I'd bring in Kimbrel just to teach him a lesson.
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Post by: JR on July 28, 2020, 10:28:28 pm
Welcome back dogstoothe!
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Post by: Bennett on July 29, 2020, 01:37:49 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeHRxx-X0AAEG6K?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: Bennett on July 29, 2020, 01:48:14 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeHVQ3kVAAEw9ya?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Post by: Robb on July 29, 2020, 02:50:11 pm
So you're saying there's a chance.
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Post by: Bennett on July 29, 2020, 03:10:27 pm
Cincinnati Reds Career Statistics Vs. Kyle Hendricks

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_/id/33173/kyle-hendricks
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Post by: craig on July 29, 2020, 05:49:27 pm
I dumbly was thinking this was a 3-game series, and the Cubs had lucked into not facing Castillo.  Oops, not the case.  seemed last year every Reds series we'd get stuck with both Castillo and Gray.  Happening again.  Lets sneak out one of these two games somehow. 
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 29, 2020, 06:01:47 pm
17 pitches does not bode well.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 29, 2020, 06:31:21 pm
48 pitches thru 3.  O - O
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 06:43:58 pm
Two run homer by Moustakas might be enough tonight. The Cubs look like they don't have a clue against Gray.
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Post by: Bennett on July 29, 2020, 06:44:43 pm
First time this year the Cubs did not score first.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 29, 2020, 06:58:48 pm
What's the National Guard's advertising budget?
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 06:59:41 pm
A lot of hard contact on both sides suddenly. Maybe the shadows are gone and they can suddenly see the ball better?
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 07:02:13 pm
Hendricks Ks Barnhart in the 5th. That's the first time this year he's gotten the 9th hitter in a lineup out.
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 07:04:50 pm
Hendricks hasn't been sharp after the first time through the lineup.
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 07:07:03 pm
Suarez 2 run single, 4-0.
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 07:07:43 pm
Hendricks done after 4 1/3 IP.
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 07:15:34 pm
Grand slam Castellanos. Thanks Ricketts...he basically begged to come back to Chicago, and you went cheap.
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 07:19:39 pm
This bullpen...9-0.
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Post by: Dave23 on July 29, 2020, 08:11:33 pm
My God....that’s just a horrible AB by Souza...
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Post by: Robb on July 29, 2020, 08:14:26 pm
Maples on.  This ought to be fun.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 29, 2020, 08:20:50 pm
Cubs are making a game out of it; it's 9-5 with the Reds coming up in the bottom of the 7th.
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Post by: brjones on July 29, 2020, 08:25:03 pm
How long are the Cubs going to keep pretending that Maples has any chance at a major league career? He's 28 years old and has never shown the slightest improvement in his command. It's not going to happen.
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Post by: Robb on July 29, 2020, 08:26:11 pm
I hate to say it but Rizzo might be better in the pen than Maples.
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Post by: Robb on July 29, 2020, 08:26:52 pm
Might as well let Kimbrel get some work now too.
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Post by: craig on July 29, 2020, 08:33:17 pm
Triple Play! 
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Post by: mO on July 29, 2020, 08:33:31 pm
HOW THE HELL DO THEY GO TO COMMERCIAL WITHOUT SHOWING A REPLAY?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by: Tuffy on July 29, 2020, 08:54:40 pm
When was the last time the Cubs turned a triple play?

I don't think they've done it in the 30+ years I've been a fan.

I know they've hit into a few (particularly when Don Zimmer was managing and they tried lots of crazy stuff).
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Post by: Reb on July 29, 2020, 08:55:46 pm
Last Cubs triple play in 1997 was crazy.

With pitcher Kirk Rueter at second and Darryl Hamilton at first and no outs in the fifth inning, Stan Javier lofted a fly into shallow center field.

Second base umpire Bob Davidson waited before calling an infield fly rule, meaning Javier was automatically out and the runners could advance at their own risk.

But battling the sun and wind at a park known for notorious conditions, three Cubs lunged for the ball before it bounced off center fielder Brian McRae’s glove and hit the ground.

Rueter took off for third, but McRae threw him out. Hamilton hesitated and then tried for second, but third baseman Jose Hernandez’s throw to Ryne Sandberg beat him to complete the triple play
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Post by: Tuffy on July 29, 2020, 08:57:54 pm
Thanks, Reb.  I had never known about that play.
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Post by: Tuffy on July 29, 2020, 09:23:18 pm
Bote hits a homer and two more men get on base in the top of the 9th, but the Reds close the game out by the score of 12-7.
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Post by: Deeg on July 29, 2020, 09:45:00 pm
This bullpen...  Boy, it's bad.  Has a chance to be historically bad.
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Post by: Chris27 on July 29, 2020, 09:53:29 pm
Bryant trapped the ball on the triple play.
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Post by: Bennett on July 29, 2020, 10:25:38 pm
The triple play that wasn't a triple play.  As Len explained later, the play was not reviewable.

https://youtu.be/9vSEqAbPsyU
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Post by: Bennett on July 29, 2020, 10:33:02 pm
A better view with more replays

https://youtu.be/XStanfzIbik
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Post by: brjones on July 30, 2020, 12:40:36 am
Jordan Bastian @MLBastian
Ross: "I'm just looking for somebody to get outs, throw strikes. Way too many walks from down there. We've got some guys that have got to kind of step up and that's some of the stuff that we're finding out here early on, is who's a guy that we can bring in in a big situation?"


You're looking for strike throwers? Then why did you send Maples out there immediately after the Cubs got close to getting back in the game tonight? He makes Carl Edwards and Carlos Marmol look like strike throwers.

I'm not impressed with how Ross manages the bullpen so far. 
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Post by: Deeg on July 30, 2020, 03:46:25 am
Jordan Bastian @MLBastian
Ross: "I'm just looking for somebody to get outs, throw strikes. Way too many walks from down there. We've got some guys that have got to kind of step up and that's some of the stuff that we're finding out here early on, is who's a guy that we can bring in in a big situation?"


You're looking for strike throwers? Then why did you send Maples out there immediately after the Cubs got close to getting back in the game tonight? He makes Carl Edwards and Carlos Marmol look like strike throwers.

I'm not impressed with how Ross manages the bullpen so far. 

Me neither, but to be fair, what are his options?  It was basically a lost game at that point anyway so you may as well throw Maples and Brothers out there and prepare for the zaniness.
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Post by: Bennett on July 30, 2020, 02:39:08 pm
Note the 30 minute earlier getaway day game time.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeMo0bQXYAUSFZP?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: Bennett on July 30, 2020, 03:44:34 pm
62% chance of rain

Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  11m
Ross: "They're telling me we're going to play."
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Post by: Bennett on July 30, 2020, 03:45:46 pm
National radar
(https://lmgcorporate.com/kmov/radar/animated-loops/comp/960x540/usa.gif)
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Post by: brjones on July 30, 2020, 06:05:35 pm
Game postponed. Not sure why it took them so long to make the decision.
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Post by: dogstoothe on July 30, 2020, 06:16:34 pm
Cripes!  I confused game postponed to rain delay, thinking postponed was for the time being. Darvish was ready for a stingy pitch count, make no mistake about it, his  hair was perfect.
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Post by: craig on July 30, 2020, 07:20:33 pm
Heh heh, I don't mind missing Luis Castillo.  Best pitcher in the league, probably? 
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Post by: Dave23 on July 30, 2020, 07:32:08 pm
DeGrom says hi...
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Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 04:43:35 am
Cripes!  I confused game postponed to rain delay, thinking postponed was for the time being. Darvish was ready for a stingy pitch count, make no mistake about it, his  hair was perfect.

Was he drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's?
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Post by: BearHit on July 31, 2020, 06:51:57 am
Little old lady got mutilated late last night
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Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 10:29:03 am
Yahoo's pre-game 'stat leader' section has Kimbrel as the Cubs' leader with "54".

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/milwaukee-brewers-chicago-cubs-400731116/

Looks like they don't know that with ERA you want to have the lower number.

And David Bote is our batting leader with "0.5".

The person who created the URL also doesn't seem to know that we're playing the Pirates.
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Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 11:17:54 am
Just curious about all these night games, especially on get-away-day.  I understand the desire to play at night during a NORMAL season, but if health and safety is the greatest concern, wouldn't it be more prudent to have a morning or early afternoon game so that the visitors can travel and rest?  Yes, television revenue is important, but most fans will still find a way to hear or watch the game.  Just seems that all this talk about extra caution is negated by actual practice.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 31, 2020, 02:57:06 pm
75°   No rain  beautiful night for a ballgame

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on July 31, 2020, 03:06:35 pm
What's behind the 7:15 P. M. game time

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cubs/2020/7/14/21324218/chicago-cubs-more-night-games-fridays-saturdays-baseball-wrigley
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 07:26:00 pm
Given all the arm problems he's had, it's remarkable that Darvish at his age seems to be throwing harder than ever.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 07:31:34 pm
Robot umps for cripes sake.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 07:31:56 pm
This umpire blew a couple strike calls for Darvish in the top of the first, and he's made two brutal strike calls (one on Rizzo and one on Baez) on balls nowhere close to the zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 07:38:14 pm
Darvish's command is still off, but his stuff is sharp.  How does anyone hit him?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 07:40:46 pm
Without a question Darvish has to lead the league in pitchers for "what was that pitch?" after he throws.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 08:09:53 pm
The ump also gave Darvish a few inside pitches where Contreras flagrantly moved his glove back over the plate.

I'm totally in favor of robot umps.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 08:14:10 pm
The ump also gave Darvish a few inside pitches where Contreras flagrantly moved his glove back over the plate.

I'm totally in favor of robot umps.
Neat trick for Contreras from the DH spot.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 08:15:10 pm
Neat trick for Contreras from the DH spot.


Clearly, I meant our regular catcher, Schwarber.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 08:16:34 pm
6 HBP already this year for Rizzo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 08:18:33 pm
Just a great baseball play by Javy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 08:34:23 pm
Darvish strikes out the side.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 08:35:08 pm
Darvish dominant but will go max 6 with the pitch count, so we need 3-4 more to have any chance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 08:46:27 pm
Clearly, I meant our regular catcher, Schwarber.
Ah, my bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 08:47:12 pm
Boy, it's fun to watch Yu pitch when he's got it going.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on July 31, 2020, 09:05:35 pm
Yes, and he went 5 and is up for the win rightfully so.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 09:07:09 pm
Huge brain fart by Rizzo there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 09:07:18 pm
Rizzo gets backpicked at first base by Stallings and Bell.

It looked like the tag missed him, but the Cubs aren't challenging.

Bryant is on second with one out and Baez batting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 09:11:54 pm
Huge brain fart by Rizzo there.
The first base coach has to see the first baseman moving and yell.  He got caught watching the batter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 09:19:39 pm
4 walks in the inning, no runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 09:21:17 pm
Well, I certainly didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 09:21:29 pm
Not sure about the decision to let Heyward hit there--seemed like a situation where Ross should've gone to Souza. But it worked out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 09:25:02 pm
Not sure about the decision to let Heyward hit there--seemed like a situation where Ross should've gone to Souza. But it worked out.

I would have been very tempted.  Hard to lose Heyward's glove when you're leading 2-0 though.  Give him credit - he hit a good pitch off a lefty 0-2.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 09:30:34 pm
18.43 K/BB ratio since last July 1 for Yu.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 09:31:20 pm
Yu Darvish struck out 46% of the batters that faced him last September, and only walked 4% of them.

Wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 09:31:58 pm
Nice assist for Darvish there.  Got hit in a good spot.

85 pitches...  Might be tempting to let him try and get through the 7th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 09:36:15 pm
This new Pirates pitcher's last name means "tough love" in German.

(Well, "hart" means "tough" and "Liebe" means "love".  No idea if Germans actually say this like we do in English.)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 09:49:53 pm
Ryan is pitching the 7th. Good match ups for him this inning: two switch hitters who are worse from the right side and a LHH.

Wick and Jeffress should be the only other guys considered tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 10:07:05 pm
With the DH used all season, I'm hoping to see more multi-inning appearances from relievers (let's not get to the "find the one that sucks" stage), and also hoping to see less wasted warmup sessions.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:14:24 pm
Ryan still in for the 8th, and he gets an umpire gift on the first pitch he throws.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:17:09 pm
You definitely don't want to see Ryan challenging anyone with the "fastball".
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:20:46 pm
Wick still looks nasty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 10:24:37 pm
He's throwing strikes.  Can't have !
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:24:47 pm
Caratini has become quite a good framer.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:28:24 pm
Interesting to see who Ross uses next.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 10:33:33 pm
Kimbrel is warming up.

And to think this had been a nice quiet enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:33:39 pm
Kimbrel is the only guy up in the pen. Wick threw enough pitches that he's not going to continue.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:35:20 pm
If you don't use Kimbrel with a 3-run lead against a bad team with the wind blowing in - the theoretically easiest save situation there is - you're admitting he's no longer the closer.  I'm not saying that would be a bad thing to do, but it's a big step to take.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:36:27 pm
I think it's the right step to take.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:38:47 pm
May be moot as far as the save is concerned.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 10:42:45 pm
The Lithuanian Dovydas Neverauskas is in to pitch for the Pirates, and a hard-hit single loads the bases.

Come on, Anthony; give Kimbrel a giant cushion.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 31, 2020, 10:42:53 pm
This might be super optimism here, but Darvish pitching how he has and Jason Kipnis going back to being a good player has some good potential for this team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:46:04 pm
Hmmm.  Now what?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:50:08 pm
It's so easy for other teams to execute on rundowns. That Bryant out takes 6 throws and has a 30% chance of failing if the Cubs tried to execute the same play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 31, 2020, 10:54:20 pm
By the way, this game is nearly 4 hours long?  I definitely didn’t think I’d be catching the end of this game right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:55:01 pm
This might be super optimism here, but Darvish pitching how he has and Jason Kipnis going back to being a good player has some good potential for this team.

This might be a hot take...but I think I'd start Kipnis at 2B. Hoerner probably still wouldn't be on the major league team right now if not for the Baez/Russell injuries late last year and COVID this year. I'd bet on healthy Kipnis being better than probably-not-ready-actually-for-MLB Hoerner for the rest of this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:56:44 pm
Kimbrel pitching. This is a good spot to get him in the game. He can still finish it, so it's kind of like a save. But there's enough margin for error to get Jeffress in there if he completely implodes again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:57:13 pm
Josh Bell leads off with a homer. Awful.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:58:09 pm
Moran homers. Get Jeffress in there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:58:19 pm
This is almost unbelievable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 31, 2020, 10:58:31 pm
I thought Dave Smith was the worst free agent closer pickup in Cubs history but Kimbrel is gonna challenge that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 10:58:37 pm
He has to be tipping pitches or something. It's just batting practice against him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 10:59:43 pm
I'm surprised that Moran homer got out; it didn't look like solid contact coming off the bat.

And Kimbrel gets an out on a grounder to Hoerner.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 10:59:51 pm
Why is Kimbrel's 97 so much easier to hit than most guys' 97?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 31, 2020, 11:01:00 pm
This might be a hot take...but I think I'd start Kipnis at 2B. Hoerner probably still wouldn't be on the major league team right now if not for the Baez/Russell injuries late last year and COVID this year. I'd bet on healthy Kipnis being better than probably-not-ready-actually-for-MLB Hoerner for the rest of this year.

I’m not sure I’m going to disagree with that...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 11:01:42 pm
He has to be tipping pitches or something. It's just batting practice against him.

That's the only explanation that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 11:01:56 pm
105 exit velocity on the out, that's a hit 50% of the time according to Statcast. He's not fooling anyone.

Another ball crushed to Almora on the warning track. Everyone knows what's coming. He has to be tipping.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 11:02:55 pm
Something deeper is definitely going on here.  These pitches are still 96-97 with run and it looks like BP out there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on July 31, 2020, 11:03:06 pm
Another grounder to Hoerner and the Cubs escape with a win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 31, 2020, 11:03:06 pm
Why is Kimbrel's 97 so much easier to hit than most guys' 97?

Yeah I don’t get that either.  Just bizarre why he’s such an HR factory since becoming a Cub.  He’s lucky Out #2 didn’t do more damage than it did.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 31, 2020, 11:03:45 pm
Cubs Win!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on July 31, 2020, 11:05:57 pm
11 homers in 22 innings against Kimbrel as a Cub.

He allowed 11 the first 289 innings of his career.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 11:06:51 pm
The lowest exit velocity against Kimbrel: 101.8 mph on the Bell homer. This is a guy who might be the best strikeout pitcher in history, and he can't avoid 100+ mph contact against the Pirates. He's tipping. He has to be.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on July 31, 2020, 11:09:20 pm
Also, Kimbrel only threw 12 pitches. 5 balls in play at 102+ mph in 12 pitches? They know what's coming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 31, 2020, 11:09:54 pm
I didn't see early Darvish, but his command in the couple of innings seems quite a bit better than his first start.  Wasn't missing his spots by that much. 

Kimbrel threw his fastball for strikes.  The earlier game, he seemed to have no clue where it was going.  I'd be inclined to hope he can throw it for strikes like tonight semi-often.  Hard to get guys to chase the curve if he's not throwing enough fastballs for them to be expect fastball. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 11:10:12 pm
Also, no offers at 15 curveballs the other night.  None.  it has to be tipping.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on July 31, 2020, 11:11:01 pm
I'm surprised that Moran homer got out; it didn't look like solid contact coming off the bat.

And Kimbrel gets an out on a grounder to Hoerner.

Tuffy, that “old” reaction was either the result of fat fingers or me just mistyping on my phone.  Did not mean to do that!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 11:12:48 pm
I didn't see early Darvish, but his command in the couple of innings seems quite a bit better than his first start.  Wasn't missing his spots by that much. 

We can bltch about Darvish's command, but he's at 1 BB and 12 Ks in 10 IP.  If he throws like he did tonight he could win the Cy Young.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: bitterman on July 31, 2020, 11:15:35 pm
I don’t want to watch Kimbrel pitch ever again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 11:24:43 pm
He's tipping.  Watch his head.  On a fastball, when he sets, he stares at a spot between himself and third base, head down.  He doesn't look for his target until he comes to the plate.  On everything else, after he gets the sign, he keeps his face forward, focusing on the catcher's glove.  In his mind he's pumping adrenaline and reaching back on the fastball, but on his other pitches he's not as confident and wants to find the target sooner.   Hotovey needs to watch some tape.   If someone has replays check it out.  You can call every fastball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on July 31, 2020, 11:51:10 pm
He's tipping.  Watch his head.  On a fastball, when he sets, he stares at a spot between himself and third base, head down.  He doesn't look for his target until he comes to the plate.  On everything else, after he gets the sign, he keeps his face forward, focusing on the catcher's glove.  In his mind he's pumping adrenaline and reaching back on the fastball, but on his other pitches he's not as confident and wants to find the target sooner.   Hotovey needs to watch some tape.   If someone has replays check it out.  You can call every fastball.

That's an interesting observation but if true, is it really possible no one with the Cubs has spotted it?  Or maybe they have and Kimbrel can't stop himself from doing it in the heat of the moment.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 31, 2020, 11:55:50 pm
Thanks, Curt.  Interesting, and if so potentially pretty fixable. 

Couple other thoughts: 
1.  Some guys have fastballs where even when it's expected, they can still get outs with it. 
2.  Not swinging at curves may be a tipping issue.  But if a curve starts off the plate and then just breaks even further off, where's the temptation? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on July 31, 2020, 11:58:18 pm
Great outing by Darvish tonight, he was really good. 

Some very good hitting.  Happ hit a couple of solid singles.  The two-out clutch hit by Heyward was really nice.  Bryant got a hit. 

The RBI single by Rizzo was really beautiful hitting.  Breaking ball that was diving down and he just kept going down with it, and hit it really solidly.  I didn't see the Kipnis HR, but he had a nice solid opposite-field hit. 

Nice to be scoring a lot of runs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on July 31, 2020, 11:58:47 pm
Most hitters will expect a fastball from Kimbrel, but when they KNOW it's coming they can swing from their heels.   I'd like to see him work on a devastating change up, stare at the ground and watch hitters screw themselves into the dirt.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 12:03:20 am
I'm probably all wet, but I called every pitch he threw and my wife thinks I'm a genius, so I'm stickin' to it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 07:14:58 am
One other thing I noticed, even at 97 there doesn't seem to be any life or movement.  May be in the grip.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 07:31:45 am
One other thing I noticed, even at 97 there doesn't seem to be any life or movement.  May be in the grip.

I actually thought he was getting a decent amount of run on his fastball, not that it helped.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 01, 2020, 09:27:17 am
His fastball has run. His release point on his curve is also lower than his fastball. I don’t know if that is enough of a tell as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 09:35:06 am
Well, for sure, it has run after the batter hits it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:43:25 am
I mean sure, we can joke about it, but if you actually watch the guy his fastball has plenty of movement for one 96-98 MPH.  That just makes it all the more suspicious that hitters are teeing it up like batting practice.

It's likely moot, anyway - Kimbrel will soon have six months (at least) to figure out the problem.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 09:45:54 am
I like the thought that he can't help himself if it's become a habit, just like his chicken-wing stance.  It's imprinted on his brain, whether it's the head position or something else.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 01, 2020, 02:46:16 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 01, 2020, 02:49:34 pm
55% chance of rain.  Sunday is looking to be not much better.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 01, 2020, 03:17:06 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 01, 2020, 07:14:23 pm
New lineup - Bryant has a stiff back

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 07:24:04 pm
Heh, I think Contreras just tagged Bell with the glove but the ball was in his hand.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 07:35:44 pm
Javy called out on a pitch in the middle of the LH batter's box.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 01, 2020, 07:37:02 pm
After a double into the ivy from Happ and a walk to Rizzo, a terrible strike three call on Baez with two men on and nobody out.

It was several inches off the outside of the plate.

And now the Pirates turn a double play and the Cubs don't score.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 07:42:55 pm
It's unacceptable for a major league team to be as bad at rundowns as we are.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 07:45:46 pm
Those of us arguing against salary dumping Chatwood by attaching a good prospect after one season are looking pretty decent atm. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 08:06:20 pm
It's unacceptable for a major league team to be as bad at rundowns as we are.
I'm with ya.  At no time should the tag be made at the base which the runner wishes to advance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:07:24 pm
That's one way to avoid wasting leadoff doubles.

Happ has carried over his good form from late '19.  He looks like a professional hitter at the moment - if he can keep it up that would be huge.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:08:04 pm
That was ca-rushed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 08:08:18 pm
If Hotovey can fix Kimble like Chatwood...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:09:48 pm
This guy ain't foolin' nobody.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:25:21 pm
I know Pittsburgh is bad, but Chatwood looks pretty nasty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 01, 2020, 08:29:54 pm
7 strike outs thru 3?  C’mon, we’ve got ourselves a pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 01, 2020, 08:30:53 pm
If we can get our bullpen figured out, we’re dangerous.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:43:48 pm
Chatwood so far: 11-4-1-1-2-18.

Command is a funny thing.  It can make you absolutely unplayable or absolutely unhittable.  Chatwood's stuff is dynamite - 95 MPH fastball with run, 91 MOH cutter with dip, change, slider.  Everything moves a ton.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:53:27 pm
73 pitches thru 6.  Chatty could maybe go 8 here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 08:56:28 pm
Hard to believe this is the same guy who struggled so much the last couple years.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 08:57:56 pm
This Brubaker kid is nasty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 09:02:13 pm
The HBPs really need to stop. The Cubs have to be leading the league by a pretty wide margin so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:04:31 pm
Squeeze?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:05:58 pm
Rather than fake crowd noise, why not mike up the rooftops?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:09:35 pm
I don't think Nico is an impact bat in a vacuum, with little power and few walks or SBs.  But he's so different from the rest of our order that he probably has more value for us than he would for most.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 09:11:13 pm
The HBPs really need to stop. The Cubs have to be leading the league by a pretty wide margin so far.

I was right--Cubs now have 13 HBP this year. Mets have 10 HBP, but with an extra game. The Reds have 7 HBP, and no one else has more than 6. So the Cubs are averaging at least an extra HBP per game over 27 of the other 29 teams so far this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:21:30 pm
Gorgeous 3-2 change for the K.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 09:21:54 pm
Did Len just say that Brad Wick is on the DL?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:22:54 pm
This inning is going to be it one way or the other, so interesting that Jeffress is up now.  Does that mean Wick would close?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 09:23:42 pm
Brad Wieck is on the IL. Not to be confused with Rowan Wick.

Jeffress warming up in the pen in the 7th...which makes me worried that Ross is still going to go to Kimbrel in the 9th. Maybe the plan is Wick.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:24:10 pm
Did Len just say that Brad Wick is on the DL?

I dunno about Brad Wick, but Brad Wieck has been on the IL for a week.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:26:20 pm
There's danger here, cherie.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 09:28:14 pm
I dunno about Brad Wick, but Brad Wieck has been on the IL for a week.
. Okay, had the volume down.  They were talking about would close.  Wieck is not in that mix, is he?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:32:43 pm
Jeffress and Ryan to get through the 8th, then Wick to close I guess.  Ross can't possibly give the Kimbrel the ball here, can he?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 01, 2020, 09:34:28 pm
Jeffress and Ryan to get through the 8th, then Wick to close I guess.  Ross can't possibly give the Kimbrel the ball here, can he?
. Cue the music from Jaws
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:43:02 pm
If we're relying on Jeffress as our savior, we're in trouble.  He's thoroughly mediocre - 91-92 now, so-so command like always.  He might be pitchable as a middle reliever, but he's no better than that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:45:21 pm
Please, just pay Len and JD whatever they ask for.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:50:06 pm
Javy walk sighting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 01, 2020, 09:52:26 pm
Schwarber!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 09:52:28 pm
Well, that helps.

Kimbrel time?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 09:54:15 pm
Please, just pay Len and JD whatever they ask for.

I really don't understand why Marquee thinks they need Dempster in the booth for the mid-innings a few times a week. Len and JD are great alone. They don't need help, Dempster detracts more than he adds.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 10:11:35 pm
Kyle Ryan pitching the 9th. I kind of wish they'd gone to one of the 8/10 remaining relievers I have no faith in instead of Ryan or Wick.

Weak contact for a hit to start the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 01, 2020, 10:15:40 pm
Why oh why didn’t we spend on some decent relievers this offseason?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 10:15:51 pm
4-2 on a Moran 1 out homer. When this guy is your third best reliever, it's not good.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 10:16:04 pm
Ryan and Jeffress are not late-inning relievers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 01, 2020, 10:18:25 pm
Can we get two outs before two more runs score?

For the future, maybe it will rain more and we can play a bunch of seven-inning doubleheaders and just not use our bullpen ever.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 10:18:42 pm
It's not like I have that much confidence in Wick, but he's literally the only reliever we have that I have even a little confidence in.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 01, 2020, 10:20:45 pm
Why oh why didn’t we spend on some decent relievers this offseason?

Strop and Kintzler were supposed to make $4.825 million this year. After COVID, they're making about $1.79 million. Pretty pathetic that the Cubs couldn't find the pocket change to bring both of them back. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 10:22:56 pm
You figure about a 4-run lead going unto the 9th is the minimum we need to have any chance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 10:24:38 pm
Wick missing his spots by a foot.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 10:25:41 pm
With Caratini that's a called strike 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 01, 2020, 10:25:47 pm
How do you walk someone wearing #64 with two outs in the 9th?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 01, 2020, 10:28:17 pm
Cubs Win!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 10:28:19 pm
Routine.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 01, 2020, 10:30:20 pm
They're just trying to make it interesting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 01, 2020, 11:30:06 pm
Gordon Wittenmyer
@GDubCub
·
53m
Trying to confirm rumor that Cubs lobbying commish for seven-inning games in non-doubleheaders.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 11:09:39 am
Bryant still out

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 11:42:08 am
Kipnis is hot.  Don't know why he doesn't get pt.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on August 02, 2020, 11:51:44 am
Kipnis is hot.  Don't know why he doesn't get pt.

LHP today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 11:57:23 am
LHP today.
True dat.   Go Cubs!  Go Phegley!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on August 02, 2020, 12:20:47 pm
Bryant is apparently ill (stomach).  He's tested negative twice for covid but will be tested again Monday.  With Votto apparently showing symptoms I worry about the Cubs players that got near him a first base. 

Ross does love to get the catchers playing time.  Contreras should be the DH whenever he is not behind the plate but Pheglley has been the DH twice now.  Happ should probably be the DH today. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 12:34:50 pm
PR!  Good to see ya, bud!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on August 02, 2020, 12:55:59 pm
Thanks Curt.  Hope you are doing well.  I have been lurking.  Nice to have a little baseball for distraction.  Hopefully the season can continue. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 01:01:52 pm
I'm well done. At least that's what I'm told.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 01:20:11 pm
Lester went 4.1 last outing, don`t see the pitch count. He should be ready.  Darvish and Chatwood have set the standard. Ross might have something with the rotation. No comment on bullpen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 02, 2020, 01:27:40 pm
Yes, PR, great to see your name. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 02, 2020, 01:47:16 pm
PR for GM!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 02:14:20 pm
35 for Brault, 60 for Lester, end of 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 02:17:59 pm
And Brault`s out?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 02, 2020, 02:35:42 pm
How did Contreras almost not score on that Schwarber double?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 02, 2020, 02:40:53 pm
How did he not get thrown out is the question. Ball was on the deep infield when he hit 3rd.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 02, 2020, 02:41:41 pm
Well, he was kind of thrown out...the catcher just dropped the ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 03:22:47 pm
Longest name in baseball is Smiley.  There's a mile between the s and the y.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 02, 2020, 03:33:44 pm
Ross either has a lot of faith in Sadler or little in anyone else.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 02, 2020, 03:44:52 pm
When Dan Winkler is pitching with the game on the line you know you have issues.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 02, 2020, 03:45:57 pm
So he K's Moran on three pitches to strand two runners.

Nevermind I guess.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 03:46:53 pm
Well hell, one two three.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 04:07:58 pm
I can feel it comin`, just like a stripper on her pole.  But I was wrong, at least for the time being. Dont have enough beer for extra innings. There`s a bottle of hard hid around here somewhere. C`mon Winkler one more out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 04:27:45 pm
The rain falls down on last year`s man.  But we got Baez, Wilson, and one of the Kyles.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:06:49 pm
Baez, Contreras, and Schwarber in the bottom of the ninth when the game resumes at 5:10.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:20:54 pm
As Chip Caray used to say "The fans are going to be treated to bonus panels".
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 05:32:25 pm
Neither Stallings or Contreras did anything wrong at that play.  Shouldn't have had a debate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:37:41 pm
Pirates playing the infield in on the corners to start the bottom of the 10th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:41:03 pm
Hoerner - you only bunt strikes.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:42:38 pm
Hoerner - you only bunt strikes.
He did it again at least according to the ump.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:43:03 pm
Terrible AB for Hoerner as he swings and misses.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:47:16 pm
As Hoerner did, Almora swings and misses a way low and inside pitch for the second out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 05:48:29 pm
Albert Almora strikes out swinging. Boy oh boy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:48:51 pm
David Bote pops foul to first.  The Cubs missed a good chance to end it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 05:50:39 pm
Terrible AB's for all 3 guys
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 05:53:31 pm
What in hell is this starting the guy at second base? Is this the twilight zone ?  What is going on?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:53:49 pm
Pirates "free" runner out again.  Tried to take 3rd on a grounder to short.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 05:56:45 pm
Jeffress is looking better and better.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 06:00:46 pm
Bote on second.  Rizzo leads off with a fly to right.  Bote tags and goes to third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 06:01:35 pm
Now Bote is at second base to start the inning.  Woke up one morning and the game went haywire.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 06:02:42 pm
Javy Baez singles to center

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 06:06:43 pm
Gordon Wittenmyer  @GDubCub  1m
Jeffress gets win after pitching last of five scoreless innings by bullpen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 06:08:55 pm
Now Bote is at second base to start the inning.  Woke up one morning and the game went haywire.
Rip Van Doostoothe
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 02, 2020, 06:16:59 pm
Does Baez get an RBI for that hit?  The runner was false from the start.  This is insane.  Who came up with this?  The same guy who invented All Star Wrestling?  What now?  The Pirates get a chance to tie it in the top of the inning? According to "Cubs live" the game is still on. Pirates get a man on second to start the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 06:47:55 pm
Game highlights 4:38

https://youtu.be/MqaZPVkBYRY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 06:48:18 pm
Now they do rock, paper, scissors, Doggie.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 02, 2020, 06:56:04 pm
If it had gone to the 16th, they put a runner on third, but his shoelaces have to be tied together.  Unless, of course, it's a Tuesday.  Then he has to be blindfolded.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 02, 2020, 06:56:58 pm
I much prefer NPB's method of just calling it a tie if no one wins after 12.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 02, 2020, 07:05:35 pm
Len made an astute comment when he talked about the "free" runner getting picked off or put out stealing and the next two hitters making outs.   
  The guy scheduled third in the inning would never make it to the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 02, 2020, 10:11:24 pm
The extra inning rule is fine for this year. If it continues in the next normal season (hopefully next year, but maybe 2022), I think it would be a bad decision. But the rule is getting good reviews early, so it might stay.

I don't like ending after the 12th inning either. I don't think ties work in baseball.

If they made this rule permanent, I'm not sure who they'd be trying to appeal to. Casual baseball fans lose interest before extra innings anyway. Die hard fans love the few times a year that they get a good 16 inning game. One of the most memorable games I ever attended was opening weekend 2004--Todd Hollandsworth homered off John Smoltz (when he was closing) with 2 outs in the 9th to tie it, and the Cubs eventually won in the 15th inning. It was 6 full extra innings of tense baseball. I'd hate to lose the possibility of that kind of game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 02, 2020, 10:22:05 pm
I'm fine with the extra-inning rule.  Seemed kinda fun today.  Not a fan of burning out a staff with unexpected 16-inning games. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 02, 2020, 10:24:34 pm
So if a pitcher throws a 7 inning no-hitter or perfect game, will it be recognized as such?

Remember the definitions were changed not too long ago...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 12:43:31 am
Why not start the 11th, if still tied, with a runner tagging from 3rd and an OF with a baseball in shallow CF?  Teams can choose whoever they like to be the runner and the outfielder, and after an umpire shoots a starter's pistol the runner takes off from third trying to beat the throw?  That's no less baseball than what they're doing now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 03, 2020, 01:00:50 am
Why not just give each team four outs in each extra inning?  That would increase the chances of runs being scored without a pitcher being charged with an unfair loss.   If your leadoff hitter reached first, a successful sacrifice bunt would move him into scoring position with three more outs to go.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 01:47:07 am
Why not just give each team four outs in each extra inning?  That would increase the chances of runs being scored without a pitcher being charged with an unfair loss.   If your leadoff hitter reached first, a successful sacrifice bunt would move him into scoring position with three more outs to go.

Or how about this - you get an extra out, but only when you get your first baserunner?  If you go 1-2-3 that's all you get.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 03, 2020, 07:22:45 am
Len made an astute comment when he talked about the "free" runner getting picked off or put out stealing and the next two hitters making outs.   
  The guy scheduled third in the inning would never make it to the plate.

I just thought of another complication: the guy who made the third out in the previous inning gets put on second, right?

What happens when the previous inning ends on a play where two people are put out at once?  Someone hits a long fly ball that is unexpectedly caught, and the runner on first and the runner on second have both run past second base, and the ball is thrown to second to put them both out.  Which one is the "third" out?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on August 03, 2020, 07:30:00 am
I just thought of another complication: the guy who made the third out in the previous inning gets put on second, right?

What happens when the previous inning ends on a play where two people are put out at once?  Someone hits a long fly ball that is unexpectedly caught, and the runner on first and the runner on second have both run past second base, and the ball is thrown to second to put them both out.  Which one is the "third" out?

it will be the guy who was last to hit / furtherest away in the order from the hitter who leads off the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 03, 2020, 07:43:34 am
it will be the guy who was last to hit / furtherest away in the order from the hitter who leads off the inning.

Those two are different people -- the last man to hit will be closer to, not further from, the next inning's leadoff hitter.

I'm sure Manfred's lackeys made plans for this situation but it feels like there's an opportunity for something really ridiculous to happen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 03, 2020, 08:35:02 am
It's the bottom of the ninth and there are two outs. Your opponent's closer is on the mound and is dominating.  You've lost your DH so the pitcher is at the plate.  Pinch hit somebody like Terrance Gore who will then start the bottom of the tenth at 2B.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 08:56:33 am
So if a pitcher throws a 7 inning no-hitter or perfect game, will it be recognized as such?

Remember the definitions were changed not too long ago...
  I think Len answered this last night.  Shut outs will be recorded as such but not no-hitters.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 03, 2020, 09:30:56 am
Heh heh.  to some degree, the bizarre eccentricities of scenarios being discussed speaks to the history of the game; how fun rare events are (perfect game, or a no-hitter loss); how much we enjoy bizarre freak stats (I always love the 4K inning; I think a two-batter inning would be fun like that); and how interested we are in  unique strategic choices (should I give away an out so that Terrance Gore can base-run leading off next inning?  Should I intentionally walk the leadoff man to set up the force and/or to avoid a lefty-righty mismatch?) .

It's fun.

To some degree I think the new rules are prompting all kinds of fun discussions and scenario-imaginations.  So I admit I kinda love it, actually. 

Different angle, I kinda feel like if the worst concerns are new strategic complexities, bizarrely rare game situations, or concerns about statistical record-keeping attributions, that may suggest that the concerns aren't very problematic. 

If a pitcher gets attributed a loss without allowing a hit or a walk, maybe that's a little weird.  But who cares about W-L for relievers anyway?  If a pitcher gets attributed a blown save without allowing a hit or a walk, that would seem more unfortunate, but still, I don't think that's a huge deal.  If some pitcher gets a 7-inning no-hitter, I love the quirkiness of that.  When somebody looks back at that in 30 or 70 years, "O yeah, that was the summer of a world-wide pandemic", that will be kind of a fun reminder. 

Not sure if the season will be able to continue.  And of course I hope the best in terms of limiting the pandemic.  But I hope the season is able to stay alive; I love all the quirkiness and fun of the new rules and new celebrations and everything unusual. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 03, 2020, 09:30:58 am
So if a pitcher throws a 7 inning no-hitter or perfect game, will it be recognized as such?

Remember the definitions were changed not too long ago...

According to Len and JD yesterday, the pitcher would not be credited with a no hitter unless it went into overtime, and he pitched 9 innings.  I suspect that if it actually happened, the Commissioner would immediately change the rule to include a no hitter in a scheduled 7 inning game.  When the definition was changed, it was to preclude being credited with a no hitter merely because there was a rain shortened game, as there was years ago in a five inning no hitter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 03, 2020, 11:03:19 am
It was one game, and against the Pirates whose offense appears to be really bad.  But that was a nice game by the bullpen.  2 hits and 2 walks over 5 innings, that's decent.  I thought Winkler and Sadler both looked pretty good. 

Kimbrel, he's a different story.  And the lefty side of the pen, that's another story too. 

But six setup righties would include:  Jeffress, Wick, Sadler, Winkler, Underwood, and Tepera.  Shutdown studs, they are not.  But I'm not sure they can't do OK most games?  If the offense can score and the rotation can continue to do well, maybe those six righties can get through a couple of innings most nights with limited damage?  2 innings, 1 run most of the time? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 03, 2020, 01:03:04 pm
I’m more than grateful for a baseball game during this thing. Elated really. 7 innings for double headers seems reasonable. But extra innings, you don’t mess with extra innings. Baseball is the superior game because time is not involved, every other play being a penalty is not involved. It is simple - the batter gets a hit or he doesn’t, or he walks or reaches on an error or he doesn’t. I can imagine Kyle (we have three) standing at second base in an extra inning game wondering, “wait a minute, I didn’t DO anything to get here, I don’t deserve to be standing at second with nobody out, never even swung the bat, never took a ball four.” Stats are stats, you can put a bunch of asterisks next to them and all that, but I just cannot no matter how hard I try justify starting an extra inning with a runner who didn’t DO anything standing at second base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 03, 2020, 01:20:39 pm
Oh, rereading Tuffy’s post the rule puts the player who made the last out in the previous inning on second. My argument stays the same. Kyle makes the last out and now he’s on second in the next inning? No, Kyle is not going to feel right about that at all.  “Oh, I made the last out, I didn’t help my team, but I get to trot out to second and maybe score the winning run when I actually failed.”
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 03, 2020, 01:30:21 pm
Oh, rereading Tuffy’s post the rule puts the player who made the last out in the previous inning on second. My argument stays the same. Kyle makes the last out and now he’s on second in the next inning? No, Kyle is not going to feel right about that at all.  “Oh, I made the last out, I didn’t help my team, but I get to trot out to second and maybe score the winning run when I actually failed.”

Not a fan of starting extra innings with a guy on 2nd.  But my guess is Kyle will be quite happy to start the next inning standing on 2nd base as the potential winning run after having failed to get a hit the prior inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 01:34:23 pm
Len made the remark yesterday that with two out and a man still at second you might be tempted to walk a speedster rather than having him make the last out and start the next inning at 2B.  (Dyson was up at the time.)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 03, 2020, 02:16:38 pm
BlueJay

My brother in law lives in Lincoln and wants to get MLBTV so he can watch the Cubs.  Do you know if they are blacked out there?  I know they are in much of Iowa, but I don't know if Nebraska is in the area they claim.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 02:21:28 pm
He'll probably be blacked out because he's your brother-in-law.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 03, 2020, 02:44:11 pm
Bryant returns

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: EightyTwo on August 03, 2020, 03:31:24 pm
BlueJay

My brother in law lives in Lincoln and wants to get MLBTV so he can watch the Cubs.  Do you know if they are blacked out there?  I know they are in much of Iowa, but I don't know if Nebraska is in the area they claim.

The only team on the blackout list for Lincoln is Kansas City.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 03, 2020, 03:59:25 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 03, 2020, 06:42:46 pm
Tonight's first pitch has been moved to 7:30 p.m. CDT.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeiH-R2UYAIeHMg?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 06:59:58 pm
Bad luck for Kipnis to face a string if lefties just when he was getting hot.

Notable that Happ gets the start over Almora in CF against Duffy.  Are the Cubs finally close to the point of realizing that he just sucks, and there's nothing complicated about it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 03, 2020, 07:43:13 pm
Nebraska only blocks the Royals, but you could watch the Cubs Royals on FS Midwest if you can tolerate Rex Hudler.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 03, 2020, 07:59:14 pm
Javy ventures out into Addison territory to snag a pop-up with two men on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 08:00:48 pm
From where is Grace commenting, his bathroom?  Weird echo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 08:07:38 pm
Why are they even bothering with Grace? Just like Dempster, there's no reason for him--Len and JD are great on their own.

I don't mind it when Doug Glanville occasionally sits in on games because he's good enough to add something to the broadcast. But guys like Grace and Dempster detract from the game IMO.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 08:09:19 pm
Do we really need more sample size with Heyward against lefties?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 08:16:10 pm
Marquee orders.  Demster, Grace, Sutcliffe and others.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 08:40:15 pm
Javy's ability to tag really is amazing. Mondesi is almost certainly safe with any other fielder taking that throw.

And Willson's ability to put the ball right where Javy needs it is pretty important too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 08:52:37 pm
From one angle, it looks like Javy's glove was already tagging Mondesi before he even caught the ball. Just amazing.

https://twitter.com/WatchMarquee/status/1290464342954188801
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:01:43 pm
Bases loaded, nobody out for Rizzo, Baez, and Contreras in the 5th. Cubs need to come away from this inning with several runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:03:56 pm
Rizzo infield fly.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:05:51 pm
Sac fly Baez, 1-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:07:22 pm
Only one run...not great. The offense hasn't looked as good the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 09:17:23 pm
Mills has been terrific.  I hate the idea of losing for Quintana, but I hope they separate Mills and Hendricks.  When Kyle pitches tomorrow, it will be like fourth time through the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:18:20 pm
If Alec Mills continues to pitch like this until Quintana gets back, I wonder what kind of reliever Quintana could get in a trade.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on August 03, 2020, 09:26:37 pm
They should just use Q as a reliever.  They should at least be doing that instead of having him in simulated games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 03, 2020, 09:28:09 pm
Bote!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:28:43 pm
Bote has played really good defense tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 03, 2020, 09:30:55 pm
Bote is an excellent defensive third baseman.  I wish he was as good at second.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:33:04 pm
It would really make the offseason a lot easier if Mills would just take control of a rotation spot for next year. There's no way the Cubs will have the money to fill three rotation spots adequately, but maybe they can figure out a way to fill two.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 03, 2020, 09:37:11 pm
Bryant!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:37:28 pm
Bryant finally homers, 2-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 09:42:08 pm
I have a gut feeling Ross goes to Kimbrel to close it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:44:36 pm
Casey Sadler in for the 8th.

I'm betting on Wick for the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:48:58 pm
Bote has been so good on defense tonight. Three great plays.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 09:52:09 pm
Wick in after a 2 out hit for Soler. Hopefully this is a 4 out save and not a bridge to Kimbrel.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on August 03, 2020, 09:57:12 pm
I’m guessing bridge. Hopefully not a bridge to disaster, which seems most likely.

I hope I’m wrong and he sticks w Wick.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 10:04:59 pm
I’m sure “gotta get Craig going” is a factor for Ross, whether correctly or not.  Who knows, maybe a couple of good appearances is all he needs to get his mojo back.  But in a season where every win is 2.7 normal wins you sure hate to risk games based on that sentiment.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 10:05:33 pm
I wonder who will pick up Dillon Maples Josh Staumont in the BBFL after watching that inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 10:06:57 pm
Wick still in. Looks like he's the closer.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 03, 2020, 10:15:19 pm
Cubs Win!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 03, 2020, 10:15:30 pm
Nice job by Wick.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 03, 2020, 10:15:46 pm
Tricky Wick gets the job done!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 10:16:13 pm
That’ll do, Wick.

Keep beating up on bad teams. No shame in that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 03, 2020, 10:16:51 pm
8-2 on the season!  We're 1/6th of the way through!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 03, 2020, 10:17:49 pm
If we keep this winning percentage I bet we make the postseason...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on August 03, 2020, 10:17:53 pm
Impressed and surprised, Grandpa Rossy! 8-2!?!


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 03, 2020, 10:21:21 pm
I hope this signals enough faith in Wick that Kimbrel isn't the automatic closer.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 03, 2020, 10:25:45 pm
Worst case is Lester triggers his option and that will limit their financial flexibility, but it might also be enough to push them below the luxury tax for this year too. Hmm.

Chatwood kinda has to be an option, but if he keeps pitching well he might get Wheeler money.

Mills could be always get replaced by Marquez if he flames out, but the velocity difference and control might be enough to play in the rotation.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 03, 2020, 10:32:00 pm
Does Chatwood have an option year?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 10:56:23 pm
Great quote from Mills.

Jesse Rogers @JesseRogersESPN
Cubs starter Alec Mills, after 7 shutout vs KC, who traded him away several years ago:

"My job is to make it hurt whenever I face them."
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 03, 2020, 11:00:37 pm
Nice outing by Mills.  Seems like all of his pitches are around the plate.  He walked several, but it's not like he was missing by much.  You nibble around the corners and if guys don't chase, sometimes you walk a few.  But he seemed very competitive with pretty much all his pitches, during the AB's I saw.  Another strong outing by him, fun. 

In retrospect, if they had trusted that Mills and Chatwood would start like this, they might not have chosen to voluntarily jump over the lux line for Q. 

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 03, 2020, 11:10:29 pm
Even better extended version of Mills' quote:

Jordan Bastian @MLBastian

Alec Mills, on tossing seven shutout innings in W over the Royals:

"That was a team that got rid of me a couple years ago. I understand the business. My job is to make it hurt whenever I face them again. It took four years for it to happen, but I'm glad it did."
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 03, 2020, 11:13:43 pm
I wasn't exactly betting on Alec Mills having the first good postgame trash talk quote of the season, but bravo for him!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 03, 2020, 11:35:52 pm
Surprised that Ross relieved righty Sadler with righty Wick. 

Sadler seems usable. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 03, 2020, 11:54:19 pm
Royals Tuesday starting pitcher Brady Singer will be pitching on his birthday.

There is a unverified report that Singer’s birthday wish is to beat the Cubs, preferably with a no-hitter.

There is only one no-hitter in baseball history pitched by a pitcher on his birthday: George Mullin (career 238 game winner) in 1912. Andrew Heaney pitched a one-hitter on his birthday a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 04, 2020, 12:20:56 am
Monday night highlights

https://youtu.be/JaPfR-hz6co
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 02:22:51 am
Nice outing by Mills.  Seems like all of his pitches are around the plate.  He walked several, but it's not like he was missing by much.  You nibble around the corners and if guys don't chase, sometimes you walk a few.  But he seemed very competitive with pretty much all his pitches, during the AB's I saw.  Another strong outing by him, fun. 

In retrospect, if they had trusted that Mills and Chatwood would start like this, they might not have chosen to voluntarily jump over the lux line for Q. 


Mills is an interesting guy to watch.  Has that old-school loopy east-west helicopter slider, the moonball curve.  Fastball enough at 90-91 to be effective if used as effectively a changeup.  There's a bit of smoke and mirrors to it, but maybe being different from what guys face almost all the time works to his advantage.  May as well ride him at least until the league figures him out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on August 04, 2020, 10:31:58 am
In 67 career innings with the Cubs, Mills' WHIP is 1.045.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 04, 2020, 10:55:54 am
...There's a bit of smoke and mirrors to it, but maybe being different from what guys face almost all the time works to his advantage.  ...

Yeah, that's a good insight.  It's such an uncommon profile, hitters may just struggle with that some. 

The key, as with Hendricks, is the control and command. 

I always think that the big curveball is the hardest pitch in the world to control consistently; and the second hardest is the changeup.  For Mills to be able to live on the breaking ball enough so that he can just use his fastball as a change-of-speed, it's really hard and rare to be able to keep getting strikes with that curveball. 

Inevitably there will be some occasional days when the curve is hanging and is getting whacked over the wall; and days when the curveball isn't going for strikes and they aren't chasing it, where he's forced to throw some fastballs that will get whacked, too. 

But I'm guessing that he's relatively consistent with that curveball, often enough so that the majority of starts are going to work out pretty well with him.  Fun guy to watch. 

But those curveballs are really fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 04, 2020, 11:02:24 am
... maybe being different from what guys face almost all the time works to his advantage.  ...

For most of my life, the emphasis was on keeping the ball down, with an emphasis on sink and 2-seam.  The recent normalizing of pitching fastball up and using 4-seam has been really interesting.  I wonder if, as the 4-seam up becomes increasingly predominant and batters expect that, whether 2-seam sinker guys will be more unique and gain some advantage as a result? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: BearHit on August 04, 2020, 11:31:11 am
I know playing tennis with a lobber is much more frustrating than playing against someone who hits everything with more force
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 04, 2020, 02:49:23 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 05:08:40 pm
I wonder who will pick up Dillon Maples Josh Staumont in the BBFL after watching that inning.

That'd be me.  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 05:18:53 pm
I knew someone would because I thought about it. But then I saw his minor league walk rate was worse than Maples, so I decided against it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 06:00:58 pm
I knew someone would because I thought about it. But then I saw his minor league walk rate was worse than Maples, so I decided against it.

Yeah I didn't even bother going that far with it, haha.  I have Keone Kela coming off the IL soon anyway, so he'd be easy to cut if he doesn't show anything else soon.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 04, 2020, 06:02:31 pm
When JR is goaded into moves like this, they usually boomerang big time.  Next time out, he'll give up 3 homers and 6 runs and not get an out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 07:04:08 pm

But those curveballs are really fun to watch. 

I actually like the slider even more.  Seems to me a lot of guys used to have that pitch but it's largely extinct the way he throws it, in favor of a sharper, faster version.  I think of Mills' as an "80's slider".
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 07:36:20 pm
Mark Grace is in the booth again; does he not like being called by his first name?  Len and JD are saying "Gracie" non-stop.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 08:09:42 pm
What a shame with Heyward.  Who would have expected his career to crater the way it has? The odd home run is a reminder of what might have been.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 08:26:55 pm
Hendricks is up near 70 pitches after just four innings, so we will probably be seeing several relievers today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 08:36:42 pm
Kipnis hits a homer and Heyward comes in to score; it's 4-1.  Attaboy, Jasons!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 08:40:06 pm
Probably need to just keep Kipnis in the lineup until he cools down. DH on the days Contreras is catching, 2B on the other days.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 08:47:02 pm
I'm not sure what to think about Hendricks tonight. He hasn't looked that sharp. But both Royals runs seemed to be the result of a fluky hit or two.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 04, 2020, 08:53:46 pm
I'm not sure what to think about Hendricks tonight. He hasn't looked that sharp. But both Royals runs seemed to be the result of a fluky hit or two.
He's following a very similar pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:01:31 pm
Hendricks has by far his best inning so far in the 6th. Pitch count at 87, so he might get the 7th.

Schwarber leads off the bottom of the 6th with a bunt single against the shift.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 09:08:06 pm
Probably need to just keep Kipnis in the lineup until he cools down. DH on the days Contreras is catching, 2B on the other days.

I like this more than the "use the other catcher as DH" system that Ross has been using.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 09:10:19 pm
Hendricks has an efficient 7th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:20:10 pm
Hendricks has an efficient 7th.

6 pitches. It's possible he'll pitch the 8th, he's at 94 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 04, 2020, 09:20:17 pm
Chance to bust this open.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 04, 2020, 09:23:31 pm
Well that went nowhere.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:26:49 pm
Jeffress in for the 8th. I guess Wick is the plan for the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:33:49 pm
Jeffress in for the 8th. I guess Wick is the plan for the 9th.

That'd be three days straight, yes?

I definitely play Kipnis every day against RHP until he gives you a reason not to.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:34:21 pm
Rosenthal was a guy I wish we'd taken a flyer on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:35:01 pm
Uh oh. I hope he's figured out how he's tipping pitches.

Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma
Currently appears that Craig Kimbrel is warming up in the bullpen.


Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:37:16 pm
Cubs seem adamant he's not tipping.  Curt would disagree.  Who's right?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:38:05 pm
99 MPH is great, but the Cubs have missed two hanging sliders.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 04, 2020, 09:39:34 pm
Hitters could always guess FB 85% of the time with Kimbrel. They just couldn't do anything with it. I don't think it's pitch tipping.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 09:39:56 pm
Contreras!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:39:58 pm
Willson had him squared up that whole AB.  Really great rips.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 04, 2020, 09:40:05 pm
Schwarber doesn't like DHing, me thinks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:41:05 pm
That helps Kimbrel.  Get Wick up though, and if the tying run gets to the plate, make the change.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 09:41:11 pm
Uh oh. I hope he's figured out how he's tipping pitches.

Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma
Currently appears that Craig Kimbrel is warming up in the bullpen.

Really, we need this guy.  We can't hide him forever, and as scared as we all are, he has to get some chances to figure things out.

Thankfully Contreras just gave him some cushion.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:43:09 pm
Very odd time to make a move.  Rosenthal hurt?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:48:31 pm
All righty...  Pray to whoever you pray to.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 04, 2020, 09:48:43 pm
Well, here we go...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:49:39 pm
If he could just get that fastball at the top of the zone instead of every one at the belt, 96-98 might be good enough even if they knew it was coming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:51:03 pm
Probably best no fans there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:51:24 pm
Heh
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 09:52:21 pm
Kimbrel coming in, and there's a base hit to lead off the inning.

Is he tipping his pitches?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:52:31 pm
They know what's coming. Perez just watches a good curveball, then lines a fastball into LF for a hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:52:39 pm
I don't see Curt's tell so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:53:12 pm
Cordero Ks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:53:19 pm
That was better.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:53:56 pm
K-curve looks sharp.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:55:45 pm
Did you see where Willy set up and where the pitch was?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 09:56:29 pm
Wow, Grandpa Rossy is not fooling around!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:56:47 pm
Well, Rossy made the tough call to pull him.  But Kyle Ryan never gives me confidence.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 09:57:01 pm
Wonderful Terrific Mondesi doubles into the left field corner, and the tying run is coming to the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 09:57:11 pm
Gotta get that fastball up, especially against lefties.  That location will not work.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 04, 2020, 09:57:54 pm
Man, what do you say to a guy like Kimbrel when you go to pull him in that situation...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 09:58:08 pm
Ryan being asked to get a genuine SAVE tonight.  We've been demanding that a lot from these post-Kimbrel relievers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 09:59:24 pm
Really bad decision to go to Kimbrel. Just put him in middle relief until he figures out what is wrong.

Ross has been really bad at bullpen management so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:00:14 pm
Interesting you wouldn't go to Hoerner for defense here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:01:18 pm
Ryan is not a good pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 04, 2020, 10:01:23 pm
Another badly missed location, and it’s a 1 run game...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 10:01:38 pm
5-4, tying run on first base. This bullpen is terrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:02:21 pm
I would go to almost any RHP here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 10:02:22 pm
Really bad decision to go to Kimbrel. Just put him in middle relief until he figures out what is wrong.

Ross has been really bad at bullpen management so far.

Actually I'm going to disagree with that.  With a three run lead, that's about as good of a chance to give Kimbrel as any, and I don't have a problem giving him a chance.  We have to get him right and get his confidence back in save chances somehow.

And once he got into trouble, Ross had no problems making a tough call and giving him a quick hook.

Even if it costs us this one game, I'm fine with how he did this.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 04, 2020, 10:02:57 pm
I would go to almost any RHP here.
Can’t, yet...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 10:03:02 pm
Ryan is not a good pitcher.

Ryan was a good pitcher last year. He's not good at all so far this year. Current Ryan is just James Russell again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 10:03:24 pm
But I do agree, Kimbrel needs to go to middle relief until he gets his issues straightened out at this point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:05:07 pm
Ryan was a good pitcher last year. He's not good at all so far this year. Current Ryan is just James Russell again.

3.85 FIP, 1.38 WHIP.  He was mediocre at best.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 04, 2020, 10:05:42 pm
I would go to almost any RHP here.
can't be has to face 3
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:06:31 pm
can't be has to face 3

Yup.  Make Ryan almost unusable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 04, 2020, 10:07:28 pm
Whew!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 10:07:29 pm
Cubs Win!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 10:07:38 pm
9-2!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:08:19 pm
Nice HOLD, Craig.

Whatever the other options are, Ryan is unusable.  He was barely usable last year and he's lost 3 MPH.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 04, 2020, 10:08:50 pm
110 mph exit velocity, 82% hit probability. Cubs got really, really lucky tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 04, 2020, 10:08:58 pm
Marquez, please...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 10:09:27 pm
Ross has been really bad at bullpen management so far.

I'm going to be really picky and disagree with this too, by the way.  Managers always look bad at bullpen management when they don't have much talent in the bullpen.

The Cubs are 9-2 with a pretty garbage bullpen, so I really can't complain too much about how he's managing it either.  We just need better talent there, and we badly need Kimbrel to get his head on straight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 04, 2020, 10:09:34 pm
Great play by Bryant to save the game.

We're 9-2, but this is unsustainable given the relief pitching.  Kimbrel has to figure it out, or they need to shuffle some people around.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:10:09 pm
Great play by Bryant to save the game.

We're 9-2, but this is unsustainable given the relief pitching.  Kimbrel has to figure it out, or they need to shuffle some people around.

They need to shuffle Ryan to South Bend.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 04, 2020, 10:16:13 pm
Great play by Bryant, wow. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 04, 2020, 10:18:11 pm
A 3.85 FIP was 13% better than league average last year. He was fine as a second lefty out of the pen. The velocity dip this year is concerning.

Has 1 player swung at Kimbrel knuckle curve?  I don’t think it is the tell, the release point is lower on the curve and hitters are picking it up. He should be in really low leverage situations until he figures his issue out.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 10:26:20 pm
This is the first time in history the Cubs have had two players named Jason homer in the same game, per Cubs postgame radio.  So we all got to take part in a very momentous occasion tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 10:26:24 pm
He didn’t have to face 3 batters last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 04, 2020, 10:30:16 pm
MLB is always a couple seconds behind or I would call Kimbrel's pitches for you.  He did change his head.  Last time he had his head down enough for the 3B to see the top on his cap.  Tonight he kept it straight at third, BUT it was always a fastball.  If he looked at the plate it wasn't.

I doubt very much that that's what the hitters are picking up on though.  As Gracie said he may be changing his arm slot or release point just enough for the hitters to pick up the ball earlier.  I just feel like the best choice in the 9th is named Wick, damb it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: bitterman on August 04, 2020, 10:33:57 pm
I’ve seen enough of Mel Rojas. Kimbrel has been a disaster.  Send him to South Bend.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on August 04, 2020, 10:50:34 pm
Great play by Bryant to save the game.

We're 9-2, but this is unsustainable given the relief pitching.  Kimbrel has to figure it out, or they need to shuffle some people around.
Most seasons, 9-2 with a scary pen wouldn’t feel at all secure. But with a 60-game season (or less), a weak division, and so many teams getting in the postseason, I have to admit I like our chances.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 04, 2020, 11:11:44 pm
Most seasons, 9-2 with a scary pen wouldn’t feel at all secure. But with a 60-game season (or less), a weak division, and so many teams getting in the postseason, I have to admit I like our chances.


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You know there are so many seasons where a team that seems like they're not as well constructed as us seems to do much better than they should, and I'm always angry at that poorly put together team for doing better than us.

Maybe this is the year that we're the not so very well constructed team that makes other teams mad that they're not as good as us.  We definitely have the offense, and the starting pitching looks quite promising up to this point.  We just need some relievers to step up, or hopefully we can bring in 2-3 good arms as other teams fall out of the running.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 04, 2020, 11:16:26 pm
With 16/30 teams making the playoffs how many teams are actually going to fall out of the running?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 04, 2020, 11:19:14 pm
The bullpen isn’t great, but it isn’t as bad as they have pitched so far.

If they can get Kimbrel straightened out then I could really like it.

Kimbrel, Wick, Jeffress

Tempora, Sadler

Underwood, Ryan, Winkler

Try out Steele as see what he can do or bring up Marquez and see if he can do a Hader impersonation.

Big key is to straighten out Kimbrel.

Alzolay and Mekkes are more guys to throw up against the wall too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 04, 2020, 11:27:53 pm
Every club in NL Central is under .500, except the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 04, 2020, 11:36:48 pm
Tuesday night highlights

https://youtu.be/zQ_u1uefYY4
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 05, 2020, 09:42:20 am
Looking ahead to Thursday

MLB ON FOX: August 6, 2020    6:00 P.M. CDT

(https://506sports.com/mlb/2020/aug6.png)


Chicago Cubs @ Kansas City Royals
Houston @ Arizona
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 05, 2020, 09:44:51 am
Why would that little blue section of eastern Washington and northern Idaho get the Diamondbacks vs. Cheaters game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 05, 2020, 10:07:19 am
Why would that little blue section of eastern Washington and northern Idaho get the Diamondbacks vs. Cheaters game?

Good question
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 05, 2020, 10:25:12 am
They're being punished.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 05, 2020, 10:34:17 am
Good question


Thanks!  Would have even been a better question if I could tell the difference between east and west.  ::)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 05, 2020, 12:55:40 pm
Why would that little blue section of eastern Washington and northern Idaho get the Diamondbacks vs. Cheaters game?

Has something to do with Walla Walla but couldn’t tell you What Why.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 05, 2020, 02:52:26 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EerjMtaX0AUgWEu?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 06:16:01 pm
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, Albert...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 05, 2020, 06:50:34 pm
Still one of the great ballparks

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eesa7VwXsAIbQos?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 05, 2020, 07:04:53 pm
Eight consecutive games on the road.  This could make a substantial effect on the season one way or another.  Win 6 of 8 and they are pretty much in the driver's seat.  Lose 6 of 8 could really turn this season into a struggle.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 07:17:54 pm
Yu has so many weapons.  When he actually want to throw the 4-seamer hard, he can easily hit 96-97.  But that's like his 5th pitch.  How many guys can say that?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 05, 2020, 07:38:42 pm
Some of those cutouts behind the plate are distracting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 07:50:37 pm
3-1 bunt
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 07:55:37 pm
That was a hell of a play by Bote to get that double-play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 05, 2020, 07:55:40 pm
Bote has really been playing some good defense so far this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 05, 2020, 07:56:33 pm
Very spiffy play by Bote to keep his foot on second base as he fires to first to complete a double play. The runner from third scores on the play, and the Royals lead 1-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 08:04:28 pm
That was unacceptable by Javy there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 08:07:20 pm
Contreras isn't getting cheated.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 08:08:16 pm
Hopefully that bonehead play doesn't come back to bite us.  Already killed the rally.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 05, 2020, 08:21:31 pm
Rossie should read the riot act to Javy.  No excuse for that mistake.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 08:22:34 pm
Darvish clearly not on his A-game but still fairly dominant.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 05, 2020, 08:33:42 pm
I'm just now learning that Adalberto Mondesi is the same person as Raul Mondesi, Junior. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 08:36:35 pm
Has there ever been a SP with as much velocity as Yu who relies on it less?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 05, 2020, 09:11:32 pm
Scott Barlow, who just pitched the 7th for KC, seems like kind of reliever who could help Cubs bullpen at trade deadline.

KC might be moving some guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 05, 2020, 09:15:13 pm
They're probably not moving effective relievers who are under team control through the 2024 season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 05, 2020, 09:25:09 pm
They won’t give him away but a rebuilding team might be willing to move a middle reliever who they use even when behind. Yeah, you’d have to give up something of value. Point is quite a few guys like this are out there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 05, 2020, 09:46:58 pm
Nice jobs by Baez and Contreras, going the other way for 2-out RBIs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 05, 2020, 09:53:32 pm
Jeffries continues to impress
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 05, 2020, 10:00:13 pm
Jeffries continues to impress

Smoke and mirrors, but you can’t argue with results.

If you assume he’s unavailable tomorrow anyway, may as well let him pitch the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 05, 2020, 10:02:22 pm
Non-save situation now. Don't go to Wick and pull Jeffress. Sadler and Tepera have been fine, go to one of them.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 05, 2020, 10:02:48 pm
This start to the season has been a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 05, 2020, 10:04:14 pm
Cubs putting up some insurance runs as Caratini motors all the way around from first as Merrifield bobbles a base hit; 6-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 05, 2020, 10:09:53 pm
Colin Rea is coming in to shut the Royals down in the 9th and make his Cubs debut in the process.  He's wearing the position-player-ish number 20.

Out old pal Jorge Soler will lead off against him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 05, 2020, 10:16:12 pm
Cubs Win!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 05, 2020, 10:16:41 pm
Cubs win!

Rea closes it out with zero drama.  Cubs sit at 10 and 2, in first place!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 05, 2020, 10:18:54 pm
Rea hit 95?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 05, 2020, 10:27:36 pm
They're probably not moving effective relievers who are under team control through the 2024 season.
They won’t give him away but a rebuilding team might be willing to move a middle reliever who they use even when behind. Yeah, you’d have to give up something of value. Point is quite a few guys like this are out there.
You can't keep complaining about thrown together bull pens.  At some point you're going to have to give up something to get some young arms like KC's.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 05, 2020, 10:29:34 pm
Rea with 4 swinging strikes out of 12 Pitches.

Cubs have to cut two guys to get down to 28:  Brothers and Steele?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 05, 2020, 10:31:43 pm
Rea hit 95?

Yeah on one pitch he did.  Just rewatching the 9th, and Rea looks like he was arounnd 92-94 on the FB mostly.  Hopefully that'll play up in relief.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 06, 2020, 12:39:50 am
https://youtu.be/E02PoS-9_uY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 06, 2020, 08:05:24 am
Bennett, thanks for linking highlights.  Fun. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 06, 2020, 02:19:40 pm
Note the one hour earlier Fox gametime

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 06, 2020, 06:39:48 pm
It's not really the old Chatwoot, it's 2.0 but he's getting hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 06, 2020, 06:41:15 pm
Is Kipnis boning Rossy's wife or something?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 06, 2020, 07:05:42 pm
Chatwood may be punching his ticket back to the bullpen here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 07:12:06 pm
Think that Chatwood must be tipping his pitches.

Royals know what’s coming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 06, 2020, 07:13:48 pm
Every Royals hitter had a hit off Chatwood.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on August 06, 2020, 07:16:08 pm
Good game to get Kimbrel some work.  Might also be good to give regulars some rest.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 06, 2020, 07:22:25 pm
I was really looking forward to this game being on national TV, most games I have to watch on my computer screen on MLB.TV. What an ugly game.

It is the Royals, though, so maybe the Cubs offense can still make a game of it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 07:26:06 pm
Royals have 23 total bases in 3 innings!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 06, 2020, 07:34:26 pm
Yep, get Kimbrel 2 innings tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 06, 2020, 07:34:31 pm
Good thing they bunched them up in 1 game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 06, 2020, 07:39:48 pm
Really have to wonder why Hoerner continues to play while Kipnis sits on the bench. Hoerner is hitting like you'd expect for a guy who clearly still wouldn't have made his MLB debut if Baez and Russell hadn't both gotten hurt last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 07:44:47 pm
Indians just scored 10 runs in 7th inning against Reds.

If Cubs can do that next inning:  Cubs 10. Royals 9.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 06, 2020, 07:46:52 pm
I don't think the Fox virtual fans look that bad in all cases. But they're really distracting becasue it's so inconsistent. Either use them or don't.

I've heard that they're using the virtual fans in baseball only because they want to figure out how to best use them for football season. So I guess they'll be around on Fox games at least until early September when the NFL games start.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 07:53:35 pm
Cubs fail to score 10 runs next inning.

Still 9-0 KC.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 07:55:10 pm
Ross makes wholesale lineup changes.

Vic Roznovsky now catching.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:00:58 pm
Merrifield singles in the 5th.

Cubs counting on proper etiquette as Happ not holding the runner.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:05:07 pm
Royals strategy now is to hack at curveballs.

Time to bring in Kimbrel.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:06:42 pm
Unfortunately, Cubs impending 10 run inning will still leave Cubs short a run.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:08:50 pm
Underwood out in 5th inning.

Theo petitioning the Commissioner to waive the new no-position player pitching in regulation.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:12:32 pm
Cubs in serious danger of coming out of this game with a Pythagorean of .500.

+18 down to +7 after 5.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:16:10 pm
Cubs down 11-0.

Not to worry.

Dodgers lost game one of 1959 World Series 11-0 but came back to win the Series.

So, things looking good.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:18:54 pm
Schwarber hustles like crazy on hopper back to the pitcher.

Ross upset with that and may pull Schwarber with rest of regulars.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:25:10 pm
Royals with no position player lineup changes yet—-even with 11-0 lead.

All the big names still in their lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:27:09 pm
Fox affiliate in my area now showing DBacks-Astros instead of Cubs/Royals.

Apparently, Fox unaware of Indians 10-run inning.

Switching to MLB feed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:34:06 pm
Winkler in for the 7th.

Ross holding Kimbrel back for the save in bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:37:40 pm
Soler homers.

Fortunately, Cubs turned DP just before homer or game would now be out of hand.

Only 12-0 now.

Pythag down to +6.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:40:54 pm
What’s going on in Astros/ DBacks game that has spread throughout the country on Fox?

Trump Just said it will go away eventually.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:43:22 pm
Kimbrel warming up in the bullpen.

Thankfully, Commissioner just ruled that pitching Kimbrel this game does not violate the No-position player pitching Rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:46:54 pm
With Kimbrel apparently coming in, wondering if there Is some kind of baseball etiquette that at 12-0 score, a club pretends the opposing pitcher ISN’T tipping his pitches??
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:48:52 pm
Kimbrel now in for the 8th inning.

First pitch is a KNUCKLEBALL.

What the F—-?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:52:10 pm
Kimbrel grooves a fastball for a triple.

Fox says he’s tipping pitches.

When did Sean Hannity start doing baseball?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:53:55 pm
kimbrel walks next hitter.

Is there a short leash in 12-0 game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 06, 2020, 08:54:31 pm
Kimbrel coming in with nothing on the line.

Hopefully this game can be a stepping stone on the way back to what he used to be.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 08:55:40 pm
Now a single.

Sean Hannity says he’s in shock as next hitter swings at a breaking ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 06, 2020, 08:56:29 pm
Cubs down 11-0.

Not to worry.

Dodgers lost game one of 1959 World Series 11-0 but came back to win the Series.

So, things looking good.


The Padres lost game 1 of the NLCS 13-0 back in 1984.

Unfortunately, they made a comeback.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:00:01 pm
The Padres lost game 1 of the NLCS 13-0 back in 1984.

Unfortunately, they made a comeback.

Well, game is now 13-0!

Just saying.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 06, 2020, 09:01:40 pm
Bote makes a nice grab to field a grounder; fires to first and the runners can't advance.

One more out and Kimbrel will have 1 IP and 1 ER tonight, which is an improvement.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:01:50 pm
Swinging strike on a curveball for Kimbrel to end the 8th.

HE’S BACK.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:02:55 pm
Thanks to Tuffy for the comic relief.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:09:16 pm
Alec Mills pinch-hitting.

Is that legal?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:13:25 pm
Cubs rallying in 9th.

Fox notes that Kimbrel smiling in dugout.

Kimbrel stands to be winning pitcher if Cubs score 14 runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:17:39 pm
Cubs lose 13-2 as somebody named Nick Heath makes exaggerated nice catch in CF for final out.

Official Scorer gives Kimbrel another Hold for participating.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 09:19:36 pm
Here’s the BAD NEWS:

With the loss tonight, Cubs now tied with Cardinals in the loss column and the lead is GONE.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 06, 2020, 10:09:26 pm
I believe that was the first time this season anyone swung at a Kimbrel offspeed pitch. You’d be smiling too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 06, 2020, 10:12:52 pm
Kimbrel gave up a walk and two hits in his inning and substantially lowered his WHIP. It’s been a rough start.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 06, 2020, 10:28:35 pm
17:22 worth of lowlights

https://youtu.be/z38NHUsBMw0
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 06, 2020, 10:42:00 pm
Reb, I very much enjoyed your garbage time PBP after the game out of hand tonight.

Boy, I guess the clock struck midnight on Chatwood tonight.  Hopefully this is just one bad start he got out of his system, but 2 1/3 IP and 8 ER against the Royals is pretty ugly.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 06, 2020, 11:18:29 pm
Reb, I very much enjoyed your garbage time PBP after the game out of hand tonight...


Thanks, JR.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 07, 2020, 12:47:46 am
Craig Kimbrel needs a phantom injury so he can be sent to Iowa on a rehab assignment and work out his problems there.  If only.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 08, 2020, 08:21:16 am
I was really looking forward to this game being on national TV, most games I have to watch on my computer screen on MLB.TV. What an ugly game.

The postponement of the Cubs/Cardinals series means the loss of an ESPN Sunday night game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 08, 2020, 04:09:27 pm
The postponement of the Cubs/Cardinals series means the loss of an ESPN Sunday night game.

Well, you get a ESPN Sunday night game from Chicago instead:  Cleveland at White Sox.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 11, 2020, 02:03:53 pm
Apparently the Indians all tested clean after the Plesac/Clevinger incident

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 11, 2020, 02:13:20 pm
Looks like Ross is hoping for the "revenge" factor to come into play with Kipnis in the lineup right away for tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 11, 2020, 02:43:34 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 11, 2020, 06:51:46 pm
Looks like Ross is hoping for the "revenge" factor to come into play with Kipnis in the lineup right away for tonight.

Kipnis should be starting every day at 2B, against RHP at the very least.

Lester continues to mystify them at 87-89 MPH.  Maybe he's successfully transitioning into his career endgame as a lefty Hendricks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 11, 2020, 06:53:05 pm
As I was saying.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 11, 2020, 07:34:58 pm
Perez has certainly evolved into an entertaining pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 11, 2020, 07:36:59 pm
He has also aged about two decades since the last time I saw him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 11, 2020, 08:01:21 pm
Happ is the real deal.

Is Kipnis really much this year or just getting favorable matchups.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 11, 2020, 08:03:43 pm
First game this season that Tribe has given up more than four runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 11, 2020, 08:16:43 pm
6 good innings from Lester, that'll be a wrap from him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 11, 2020, 08:18:31 pm
Boy if we can only find some relievers....
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 11, 2020, 08:21:02 pm
Finding them is not evidently the problem.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 11, 2020, 09:00:13 pm
Rea continues to look like a keeper, hit 96 against Lindor.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 11, 2020, 09:07:12 pm
Kimbrel to close it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 11, 2020, 09:20:06 pm
In the bottom of the ninth, Naquin hits a slow grounder to Bryant much like the one that ended the 2016 World Series, and this time Bryant flubs it; Indians have two men on with two outs to go.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 11, 2020, 09:31:27 pm
Rea gets the last outs; Cubs are 11-3 and have a giant lead in the Central, with the Cardinals way back in the win column.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 11, 2020, 09:41:09 pm
Lester, really good.  I've been something of a Lester skeptic, but man Lester with his 88 mph fastball looked really good.  I've been a Heyward skeptic, too; fun to see him contributing, and leading the team in HR's.  :).

Clutch 2-out hits, Happ, then the Heyward HR.  Cubs have done a really good job of adding on.  You face a different sequence of relievers when you're winning than losing, so getting up 1-0 and 2-0 is really good; but then adding on and building a cushion was nice. 

Nice work by the righty relievers.  Not sure Rea with touching-95-96 velocity in relief these days can't be a usable guy. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 11, 2020, 09:43:43 pm
Facing the Tribe with their rotation, this was certainly the one you wanted to win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 11, 2020, 10:09:39 pm
Cubs have the best record in the majors......although tied with Cards in the loss column (how come Cards never seem to lose?)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: DelMarFan on August 11, 2020, 11:16:37 pm
Anyone else have a hard time seeing Delino DeShields, Jr without thinking about his dad being called Delino DeSucks during his time as a Cub?  Was that BEERFAN or JB?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 12, 2020, 01:17:45 pm
Getaway day gametime

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 12, 2020, 02:43:47 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  34m
Kyle Schwarber was scratched due to a right knee contusion.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 12, 2020, 05:52:17 pm
Rizzo goes yard to make it 1-0 in the top of the third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 12, 2020, 06:28:49 pm
The Cubs are leaving a lot of runners on so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 12, 2020, 07:28:32 pm
Another excellent game from Hendricks.  Cubs go into the 7th ahead 5 to 1.  Long home run for Bryant, and two run single for Bote.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 07:32:46 pm
That was interesting.  If I read the box score right, Ross gave up the DH rather than go to Phegley at C?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 12, 2020, 07:38:43 pm
yes
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 07:40:55 pm
Why... would he do that?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 07:43:08 pm
That was interesting.  If I read the box score right, Ross gave up the DH rather than go to Phegley at C?

Honestly why not?  Late innings, and you'd be using better hitters than Phegley to pinch hit in the pitcher's spot anyway, which hopefully won't be happening again the rest of this game.  You're presumably getting a better defensive catcher out there too.  Actually I think that's pretty smart.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 07:45:12 pm
Winkler is a dollar-store Mariano Rivera with no control.

I just don't get the DH thing.  Why are we wasting a roster spot on Phegley if Ross doesn't even trust him to catch in a contested game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2020, 07:51:21 pm
That’s just a horrible 2-2 pitch by Wick to Lindor.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2020, 07:52:12 pm
So who’s the closer tonight?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 12, 2020, 07:53:25 pm
It's too bad Cleveland got all those lucky hits in the 5th inning. None of them were hit hard, they were just hit off the end of the bat in a perfect spot. If one or two of those had been outs instead, Hendricks would've been able to pitch the 7th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 07:59:05 pm
Karinchak is one really annoying guy to watch on the mound.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:03:00 pm
Bonehead play by Heyward there, should have advanced to third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:04:26 pm
Kipnis every day, please.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:04:45 pm
Kipnis has been quite a find.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:08:11 pm
Ball three right down the middle.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:09:02 pm
See, Bryant is basically 98% guaranteed to get a run in with a bunt to the right side against the shift.  In the 8th inning why not do it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:15:20 pm
JD sounds like he’s bored with all the winning we’re doing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:19:17 pm
Phenomenal stab by Caratini on that foul tip third strike.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:21:06 pm
Wick is a keeper to be sure.

Kimbrel to close it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 12, 2020, 08:21:16 pm
Wick looked good.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:23:57 pm
Yeah he did look good.

By the way, is it possible this bullpen might be coming around?  Other than that 13-2 Royals game where we pitched Kimbrel and our mopup relievers, it seems like we’ve been getting some good bullpen performances lately?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:24:56 pm
Jeffress up in the pen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:25:48 pm
There was nowhere to go but up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 12, 2020, 08:29:26 pm
There are several relievers who are starting to look pretty good, although in small sample sizes.

In addition to Wick, I also like Sadler and Tepera.  And Rea really looked good in his last outing.

And Jeffress has been good all year.  He should be the closer until and unless Kimbrel sorts things out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:33:39 pm
Boy this team has been fun to watch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 12, 2020, 08:34:56 pm
See, Bryant is basically 98% guaranteed to get a run in with a bunt to the right side against the shift.  In the 8th inning why not do it?

Remember when Bryant was considered an elite hitter and you wouldn't need to bring up bunting with him?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:37:13 pm
Remember when Bryant was considered an elite hitter and you wouldn't need to bring up bunting with him?

That has nothing to do with it.  It's an insurance run in the 8th inning - it would be smart for any hitter to take it if the opponent is gifting it to you, elite or otherwise.

Also, this umpire is an absolute joke.  But an equal-opportunity joke.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:39:18 pm
Wow, a 95 from JJ.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:40:57 pm
94 on the black to get Santana as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:43:48 pm
Javy really needs to cut out the showboating.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:43:55 pm
Cubs Win!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 12, 2020, 08:46:04 pm
Still the best record in MLB.

Still tied with the Cards in the loss column.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: VJ on August 12, 2020, 08:46:10 pm
Best call from the CLE play by play from this series

"Grounder to Bryant, well that looks too familiar, unfortunately."
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 12, 2020, 08:46:37 pm
That has nothing to do with it.  It's an insurance run in the 8th inning - it would be smart for any hitter to take it if the opponent is gifting it to you, elite or otherwise.

Also, this umpire is an absolute joke.  But an equal-opportunity joke.

Really? An elite hitter who could theoretically get an extra-base hit and score multiple runs should be bunting for one? You want Trout bunting if there is a gap in the field?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 12, 2020, 08:47:00 pm
I like the way the offense is grinding out ABs.  Reminiscent of 2016.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 08:58:10 pm
Really? An elite hitter who could theoretically get an extra-base hit and score multiple runs should be bunting for one? You want Trout bunting if there is a gap in the field?

With a 4 run lead and the enemy down to six outs? Absolutely.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 12, 2020, 09:43:13 pm
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Still tied with the Cards in the loss column.

Damn.  Are they ever going to lose?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 12, 2020, 09:49:27 pm
Winning all the time with good starting pitching and scoring runs every game is really fun.  It's kind of fun in this weird season, but I admit I'd have loved to have a run like this in a normal season.  :). Nice to have Bryant get one.  Heyward's been hitting, that helps so much.  Kipnis has been excellent. 

Another good outing for the pen, 3 innings 1 run, no complaints.  I thought Winkler had a pitch or two that could have been called strikes.  Wick good, Jeffress good.  I kinda love Winkler's stuff; I still have hopes that he'll kind of settle in at some point, and not seem so hyper.  I think for him to get a couple of 2-inning outings might be good for him.  Or maybe not, maybe wild is wild and he's never going to change.  I'd wondered whether Wick would be useful again this year; sometimes the surprise success reliever comes back the following year and something is different, and the good curve isn't good anymore.  But his curve looks really good. 

I agree with JR, the handful of RH relievers has been doing pretty decently lately.  Sure helps when the offense keeps adding on runs, and they're never pitching in tie or 1-run games.  Hope it keeps up.

Winning and scoring sure helps.  If down 1-2 runs in the 6th or 7th inning, opponents use their "use-when-winning" good relievers.  But when up by a couple of runs when the relievers come in, you keep getting to see "use-when-losing" relievers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 12, 2020, 10:33:46 pm
https://youtu.be/TvE6B4bZfIo
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 12, 2020, 10:41:21 pm
Bennett, thank you for posting line-ups, replays, and recaps.  You help make this a great board.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 12, 2020, 10:45:04 pm
It sure is fun to see the Cubs just keep winning these drama-free games, particularly after the Kimbrel outings.  Not a lot of lead changes; not a lot of comebacks; we just get out in front and then cruise the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 12, 2020, 11:32:05 pm
With a 4 run lead and the enemy down to six outs? Absolutely.

Can't imagine that being asked of or expected from Trout, or Cabrera, or Pujols, or Bonds, or any other elite hitter, even more so when that hitter is not a bunter which Bryant is not.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 12, 2020, 11:50:28 pm
While the single-mindedness and sheer endurance of your blind hatred for Bryant is impressive, not everything is about that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 13, 2020, 12:08:53 am
Cubs magic number is 39.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 13, 2020, 12:11:42 am
Best call from the CLE play by play from this series

"Grounder to Bryant, well that looks too familiar, unfortunately."

I've watched the final out at least once a month---every single month--since it happened.

Sometimes, I can't believe it actually happened.  Sometimes, I envision the ball sailing over Rizzo's head and all hell breaks loose.

And, more generally, kind of amazing that Cubs played a 7th game in a World Series and got more breaks than the other guy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 01:19:06 am
What "breaks" did the Cubs get?  An obvious third-strike call was missed for the final out in the 5th, leading to Maddon inexplicably pulling Hendricks and eventually to two runs.  The wild pitch just happened to hit Ross directly in the mask and daze him, allowing two runs to score.

About the only thing I could construe as a lucky break was the rain delay - and honestly, if Heyward hadn't seized the moment and righted the ship, that could as easily have made things worse.  I think the Cubs won that day in spite of luck more than because of it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 13, 2020, 02:03:44 am
While the single-mindedness and sheer endurance of your blind hatred for Bryant is impressive, not everything is about that.

lmao

You went from defending the notion of Bryant bunting for hits with runners on base to blabbing about hatred and making arrogant comments normally reserved for political tripe. Awesome.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 13, 2020, 02:54:54 am
What "breaks" did the Cubs get?  An obvious third-strike call was missed for the final out in the 5th, leading to Maddon inexplicably pulling Hendricks and eventually to two runs.  The wild pitch just happened to hit Ross directly in the mask and daze him, allowing two runs to score.

About the only thing I could construe as a lucky break was the rain delay - and honestly, if Heyward hadn't seized the moment and righted the ship, that could as easily have made things worse.  I think the Cubs won that day in spite of luck more than because of it.

After the freak Rajai Davis homer, Cubs had baseball gods on our side.

Chapman throws meatball sliders to Santana AND Kipnis in bottom of 9th and gets away with it. We’re talking maybe one-inch spots on the bat that make a world of difference. Very lucky there was not a walk-off homer.

Then, the rain delay, then Schwarber hits a grounder into the shift that luckily finds a hole, Almora with a rare heads-up play tagging up to second. Then, the Zobrist hard grounder—two feet to the right, it’s a inning-ending DP. Then, Montero with cheap hit with IF playing up knocks in a run.

These are random things that determine a game. Yes, credit for putting balls into play but it’s luck when grounders find holes—even hard hit grounders.

Lucky that Michael Martinez, who came in late, only option for Tito to end the game. Bryant slips and ball thrown high to Rizzo—but not too high.

If you’ve been watching Cubs for decades, you know that it often doesn’t go that way.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 06:05:05 am
I see it as the Cubs overcoming fate trying to screw them as usual rather than them finally getting lucky.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 08:02:47 am
deeg, interesting point about the 9th inning bunt concept.  I think I agree with you, depending on the details. 

If you already have a lead in the 8th or 9th inning, then *IF* you've got a *sure* way to get another single run in, I'd take that, rather than play for a multirun inning. 

Yes, I would be willing to sacrifice an out to insure an individual run to amplify an existing lead.

Where I hesitate:  the vulnerability of the argument is in the premise,  that you can sacrifice an out and get a **sure** run.  Bunting is hard.  Directional bunting is harder.  Most hitters practice bunting very little and have never become skilled at it, especially sluggers. Modern velocity, modern spin, modern 4-seam-up, all of those factors make bunting harder than 90 years ago when it may have made more sense than today.  If there was 100% probability that the bunt would work, yes, do it.  But I guess it's hard for me to evaluate how much higher, if any, the odds are of getting the bunt down for the one run, versus getting in the one run by trying to swing normally. 

This is a hesitation with bunting to advance a runner, too, of course, and a challenge with saber analysis of pros and cons.  Saber can record bunts, and how many advanced runners, how many didn't how many resulted in DP's, how many resulted in throwing errors, how many resulted in bunting popouts, how many K's bunting.  I think the records include that info.  But I'm not sure saber can correctly factor how many times a guy was trying to bunt, fouled one off or took a strike, got behind in the count, and ended making a non-bunt out.  Every strike wasted reduces the probabilities of each AB thereafter.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: BearHit on August 13, 2020, 08:35:23 am
There were MANY times during that 2016 season where it looked like the baseball gods were smiling on the Cubs - improbable come-from-behind wins.. Javy's repeated magic acts that seemed to be contagious ...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 13, 2020, 08:37:45 am
If you look at high enough magnification, all games have a considerable amount of what could be called "luck".  To me, the theme of the championship game in 2016 was the Cubs overcoming adversity.  A matter of character not luck.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: BearHit on August 13, 2020, 08:48:52 am
Characters no doubt - remember Rossy getting interviewed during one game and Rizzo was next to him saying "What - you're not even 3rd string"
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 09:28:14 am
I thought the use of Jeffress in the 9th with a 5-run lead was a curious one at several levels. 
1.  He's probably your closer, now?  5-run lead, could have saved him; hasn't pitched for many days, perhaps good to keep him active and grooved.
2.  Appeared that he and Kimbrel were BOTH warming with the 6-2 lead.  Not sure, but I thought I saw in the TV the both were up by mounds, with gloves on, and then Jeffress got the call and Kimbrel went to go sit down.  I might have misread that, not sure.  Maybe Kimbrel was just standing up to guard as a guard, or to watch, or maybe he was just throwing to work on his command without any consideration to get called in.  But yeah, it LOOKED like BOTH guys were preparing to go in. 
3.  If so, curious that Ross wouldn't have already pre-determined who he was going to use, and that it might hinge on what the Cubs did in the top of the 9th, and that whatever did happen resulted in Jeffress yes, Kimbrel no.  It was a 4-run lead entering the 9th.  Still not a "save" situation, formally.  Would that have been Kimbrel:  big enough margin to not risk much, but maybe close enough to have some sense of adrenalin?  But then when the Cubs added just the one run and made it 5-run, that was too BIG a margin to use Kimbrel?  Seems weird that 4 would have been good for Kimbrel, but 5 wouldn't be?  Or was it a deal where 4 or 5-run lead was too SMALL to use Kimbrel?  If they'd have bumped it to 6-7 run lead, then it would be safe enough to use Kimbrel, but 5 was still too narrow, and you needed to go to your safer Jeffress with "only" a 5-run cushion? 

I just thought it was kinda odd, and wondered what was in heads for Ross and Hottovy to have both pitchers up, but then to select Jeffress. 

Any wisdom from you guys?   

Cubs got one in the top of the 9th, made it 7-2, and the call went to Jeffress.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 13, 2020, 09:35:26 am
I think Ross is not so much invested in a closer as pitchers he considers finishers and stoppers.   Looks to me that Wick is the stopper.  Lately he is used, sometimes over more than one inning, to lock down the game whether that is as closer or being brought in during a critically ominous situation.   I think in terms of "closer," it's still Kimbrel, but that's assuming he believes that Kimbrel has it back together.   He has demonstrated a lot of confidence in Wick and Jeffress, and, to an extent, Rea and Tempera. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 09:46:41 am
Agree.  But why was Kimbrel up with 4 run lead, and then parked with 5? 

I've been good with what Ross has done.  Like you say, don't worry about "roles", just go with whomever seems to make more sense for the day. 

The choice of Winkler, I thought, was another interesting one.  After only one game in 5 days, Sadler hadn't pitched, Tempera had only pitched one inning, of course underwood none.  So Ross could have gone to safer, less wild options.  But he went to Winkler.  I suspect the feeling is that Winkler's got really good stuff, and that *IF* he could get his confidence and delivery locked in, so that he could throw enough strikes to not walk the world, that he might be a really useful guy.  A 4-run lead was a nice opportunity, and maybe if he has a successful inning, that will help him.  It didn't work that way, of course.  But I liked the decision and potential confidence-building opportunity he was provided.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 13, 2020, 09:53:04 am
It's almost if he wants to use Kimbrel in a "pressure" situation, yet "safe," in case he blows up.  4 runs fits that, but not 5.  5 doesn't have enough perceived pressure.  Just spitballing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 13, 2020, 09:54:16 am
Winkler is another guy that Ross seems to like.  It's like they've weeded out the guys who haven't measured up, at least for this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 09:59:09 am
Yeah, I think that's the best guess.  Actually, at this point I guess we don't know how "safe" it would need to be at this point.  Maybe 2-runs will be safe enough, and he'll go to Kimbrel with that, now?  Beats me. 

Or maybe 1 or 2 isn't safe enough, but 5 is too big, and only 3-4 run leads are situations? 

I guess we also don't know what Hottovy is saying.  "Boss, we think we've figured it out! He needs to work on this adjustment for a few days, but I'll let you know when we think he's game-ready!"  Just a fun and interesting story.  Heh heh, hopefully tonight we'll go into the 9th with a 3 run lead, and see what happens then.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 13, 2020, 01:59:14 pm
Bryant's wrist must be OK.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 13, 2020, 02:37:38 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  1m
Kris Bryant was scratched due to left ring finger and left wrist soreness.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfUw8sLWoA0-3u1?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 13, 2020, 06:36:31 pm
Nico Hoerner opens the bottom of the first with a first pitch double into the left field corner.
Anthony Rizzo moves Hoerner to third with a grounder to second.  One out.
Hoerner gets a good jump and scores on a sharp grounder to third by Javy Baez.  Two down.
Willson Contreras takes strike three. 
1-0 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 07:08:52 pm
Much-needed quick inning there.  Darvish is in ace mode again.

Nice to see both Happ and Caratini swinging well from the right side.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 07:10:22 pm
Hoerner, leading off because Bryant didn't, doubled and scored the first run.  Scharber, getting a start against the lefty because Bryant didn't, hits a HR.  2-0, Darvish at 48 pitches through 3.  Cubs got three hits after Schwarber, but Bote DP prevented them getting another run.  Happ's hit looked like it might have may had a chance to try for a double, but he didn't risk it, in front of the DP. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 07:14:27 pm
It seems longer ago than 3 years since Brett Anderson was so bad with the cubs.  He's not good, but he's never been as bad as he was with the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 07:26:53 pm
Darvish has so many weapons that even when he makes a mistake, he gets away with it most of the time - the hitters can't sit on anything because they have no idea what's coming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 13, 2020, 07:53:05 pm
Please no one post that Darvish has a no hitter through five innings.  We don't want to jinx him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 07:53:11 pm
Basically, the only thing separating Yu from the break last season onwards and Cy Young Arrieta is the HRs last season.  His peripherals are video game stuff. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 07:55:08 pm
yeah, last inning Caratini called for one high in, pitch low, missed by 3 feet down.  Called for one low, got a swinging strike for a pitch that missed over the top, missed by 3 feet up.  But got a strike on it anyway.  He's tough.  But a lot of his misses haven't been by that much, and a lot have still been around the plate.  79 pitches through 5. 

Would like to add another run or more before the bullpen comes in. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:01:37 pm
Baez chooses not to run out of the box again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:08:14 pm
Just throw Hiura heaters.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:09:18 pm
That may have been the Supreme there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:10:50 pm
Tough call for Rossy here.  Nice game through 6, 91 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 08:10:51 pm
Darvish is through 6 with the game intact.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 08:12:35 pm
Nice snappy 6th for Darvish.  92 pitches, push him for one more, I assume?  Or keep him fresh and get him out here?  Not sure where Hendricks was at after 6 last night, when Ross pulled him. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 13, 2020, 08:16:57 pm
Please no one post that Darvish has a no hitter through six innings.  We don't want to jinx him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:21:08 pm
Happ looks like an MVP candidate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 08:21:14 pm
Happ doubles to the gap and Contreras comes all the way around, getting under the tag to give the Cubs a 3-0 lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 08:22:54 pm
Bote ropes a single to left, Happ scores, and it's 4-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 13, 2020, 08:32:31 pm
What a breakout season for Happ so far.  That’ll be a big deal for the Cubs in the future if he’s for real.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 08:36:34 pm
Sadler is warming up but it looks like Darvish doesn't want to come out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 08:39:11 pm
Darvish is coming back out.  Let's have a nice quick inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:39:14 pm
Darvish back out there, but there's no way he's going the distance anyway so...  I think I'd have pulled him considering the 25-minute half-inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:43:17 pm
Yu is seriously nasty.

I hope Ross doesn't do something stupid like let him throw 140 pitches chasing a nay-nay.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:44:17 pm
That's that.  We'll never know.

Hook him, Rossy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 08:46:31 pm
Yu is basically a 97-MPH finesse pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 13, 2020, 08:46:34 pm
Please no one post that Darvish has a no hitter through six innings.  We don't want to jinx him.
. Way to go, buttface.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 13, 2020, 08:46:40 pm
I knew it.  Somebody had to go and jinx him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 13, 2020, 08:49:13 pm
OK.  Now let's get another 7 or 8 runs so we can bring in Kimbrel for a little work.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 09:04:01 pm
Interesting to see what Ross does now.  Wick and Jeffress both pitched yesterday and Kimbrel didn’t, but they should all be plenty rested.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 13, 2020, 09:05:01 pm
Colin Rea?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 13, 2020, 09:15:13 pm
It’s the Flaming Wick!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 13, 2020, 09:18:12 pm
What has gotten into Bote on defense this season?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 09:19:10 pm
Very spiffy play from Bote to snag a grounder on the third-base side and then make an off-balance throw to get Yelich for the second out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 13, 2020, 09:22:33 pm
Cubs Win!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 13, 2020, 09:23:14 pm
If our bullpen stays decent like it has over the last week and a half or so, this is a damn good team. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 13, 2020, 09:23:58 pm
Very light scare in the 9th, but the Cubs win again.  13-3!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 09:26:14 pm
Wick looked a little shaky there, but all's well that ends well.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 13, 2020, 09:28:53 pm
What has gotten into Bote on defense this season?

And he has a 110 wRC+ on the season. I wish the Cubs would let him try to run with a job for a few weeks. Put him at second against RHP/third vs. LHP, and give Kipnis DH ABs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 09:39:19 pm
Christopher Kamka
@ckamka
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Yu Darvish last 18 starts:
2.72 ERA, 112.1 IP, 80 Hits, 11 BB, 151 K, 0.810 WHIP
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 13, 2020, 10:29:44 pm
https://youtu.be/m9-S_1Vy54c
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 13, 2020, 10:49:49 pm
What a breakout season for Happ so far.  That’ll be a big deal for the Cubs in the future if he’s for real.

Happ's hitting has been great. 

Has Happ in center been any problem defensively?  Seems like he makes most of the plays most CFers make, and in the innings I've seen hasn't really been tested, and I haven't recalled any fault-finding comments on the board.  If he's gone 16 games and hasn't really cost you anything defensively, then perhaps maybe he can be an acceptable CF guy long-term?   

I don't watch a ton, it's just computer screen, I'm no scout anyway, and I assume saber analysis tells a truer story.  Just wondering whether Happ in center might perhaps be more than just a stop-gap defensively, and might be perfectly OK long-term? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 13, 2020, 10:57:52 pm
Yu personally corrects a guess on what pitch he's getting a whiff on:

https://twitter.com/faridyu/status/1294112423406964736?s=20 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1294079506131693569?s=20)

I'm not sure there's ever been a pitcher with whom it's harder to say what the heck a pitch you just saw actually was.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 14, 2020, 12:47:26 am
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  3h
Tweet of the night

Jim Deshaies  @JimDeshaies  3h
If Yu had thrown a no- hitter tonight I wonder how many people would have claimed to have been there
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 01:24:08 am
A century from now when the pandemic has passed into history no one will have any idea what to make of ancient tweets like "I wasn't there, but my cardboard cutout was!"
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 14, 2020, 08:38:40 am
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  3h
Tweet of the night

Jim Deshaies  @JimDeshaies  3h
If Yu had thrown a no- hitter tonight I wonder how many people would have claimed to have been there

I actually thought about that as well around the 5th inning.

Assuming Darvish made it to the 9th inning with the no-hitter intact, I thought it would be kinda cool if they let like 10 fans in from outside the gates, just so 10 people could actually say they were there...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 14, 2020, 09:56:27 am
Friday night's game will also be on Marquee Sports.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 14, 2020, 03:16:11 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 14, 2020, 03:18:37 pm
A rebound outing from Chatwood would be super tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 05:05:51 pm
Chatwood scratched with back tightness, Mills will pitch tonight. TBD tomorrow.

Hopefully Chatwood will be ready to go by the double headers next week.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 14, 2020, 05:25:10 pm
Yikes, that's bad news. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 05:36:56 pm
If Chatwood is available by Tuesday, I wonder if the Cubs would benefit from pushing Darvish back to one of Wednesday’s games. Having Hendricks and Darvish pitch the first games of the two DHs would likely make it pretty easy to manage the bullpen in 7 inning games.

And with a day off Thursday, they’d be able to move Darvish back up a spot in his next start if they wanted.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 14, 2020, 05:39:07 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  15m
Due to the forecast of inclement weather later in the evening, we've shifted the start of tomorrow’s game against the Brewers to 2:20 p.m. CT.

Gametime had been 7:15 P.M.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 06:59:35 pm
Chatwood scratched with back tightness, Mills will pitch tonight. TBD tomorrow.

Q?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 07:30:18 pm
How many times do you see Baez take a 3-2 right down the middle without even flinching?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 07:36:22 pm
If we're looking for a nickname for Alec Mills, how about "The Associate Professor"?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 14, 2020, 07:38:17 pm
Mills about as sharp as he can be through the first 2 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 07:45:36 pm
Lot of fastballs for Mills so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 07:49:18 pm
I never want to see Javy pitch and risk hurting his arm.  But damn, I'd sure like to see Javy pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 08:21:02 pm
With runners on first and third, the Cubs take a double play and let the run score.  Not sure I agree with that, in a 0-0 game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:22:48 pm
With runners on first and third, the Cubs take a double play and let the run score.  Not sure I agree with that, in a 0-0 game.

Yeah, not sure I do either.  With Woodruff mowing em down and that pen, I might have tried to cut that off.

Pena's single was about as soft a swing as you'll ever see.  That Jay Leno Fly breaking ball had him totally fooled.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 08:23:12 pm
A lot of lucky soft contact for the Brewers this inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:30:05 pm
Nice job by Heyward there taking what Woodruff offered him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:30:57 pm
Such a good baserunner, Heyward.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 08:36:34 pm
Schwarber hit the ball hard to end last inning. Heyward and Bote hit the ball hard on their singles, and then Woodruff just couldn't put Kipnis away. I think the Cubs are figuring him out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:37:01 pm
That phenomenal AB by Kipnis is exactly what the Cubs have been missing the past couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 08:37:23 pm
Jason Kipnis, professional hitter, fouls a bunch of pitches off and then loops a hit into center; game is tied.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:38:54 pm
Love the attempted hit and run with Hoerner there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:40:32 pm
Full.  Now start 'em.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:42:02 pm
Hoerner is drawing more walks than I feared he would.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 08:44:12 pm
The Cubs have really run up the pitch count this inning. He might not make it through 6 now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:44:48 pm
Start the runners, Zim style!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:45:27 pm
I believe the Cubs have been abducted by aliens and replaced by another team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 08:47:42 pm
Rizzo keeping the line moving -- Kipnis scores, and it's 3-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:48:47 pm
Whether it be Ross or just bringing in guys like Kipnis, this is a pretty remarkable transformation in approach.  The Cubs look like a totally different team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:52:06 pm
And then there's Javy...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:54:34 pm
That turned ugly.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 14, 2020, 08:55:30 pm
Budweiser Zero for people who just like to urinate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 08:55:55 pm
Schwarber takes a bad swing and strikes out with the bases loaded, and the Cubs can't get any more runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:58:43 pm
Get the pen ready.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 08:59:34 pm
Both starting pitchers fell apart quickly tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 08:59:47 pm
And the carriage is a pumpkin.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 09:00:43 pm
Oof.  We grind out at-bats; they launch three-run homers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 09:05:57 pm
At some point you have to use Kimbrel if you have any hope of resuscitating him, don't you?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 09:29:46 pm
Man - why would you take Peralta out?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 09:50:41 pm
Middle of the lineup coming up for the Cubs in the 8th; if we're going to mount a comeback, now would be a fine time.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 09:55:17 pm
Would you think about pinch-running for Schwarber here?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 09:55:24 pm
Schwarber makes up for his earlier strikeout with what looks like a double to right field; it hit Gamel's glove but was right up against the wall.  "It... is... not caught!" from Len as he realizes it's neither a homer nor an out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 09:57:03 pm
Contreras has really gone off the rails.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 09:57:49 pm
Another K for Contreras on a pitch in the dirt.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 10:03:55 pm
Hader comes in and Souza works a walk on a full count.  Could be big.

Bote up now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 10:07:21 pm
With a full count, Hader nicks Bote's foot with a pitch and the Cubs have the bases loaded.

Kipnis is due up but it looks like Phegley is going to pinch hit.  What a situation for the new guy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 10:10:15 pm
I know Hader is great against LHH...but Phegley in that situation? Kipnis has a much better chance there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 10:13:01 pm
98 from kimbrel
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 14, 2020, 10:15:32 pm
I cannot tell what Kimbrel is throwing tonight
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 10:20:59 pm
Kimbrel still didn't have much command...but that was different tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 10:23:03 pm
And by "different," I mean "really, really good."
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 10:26:15 pm
Yeah, that was night and day.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 14, 2020, 10:26:26 pm
HE FIXED!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 10:28:36 pm
Have we found a role for Kimbrel?

Cubs down to their last out; Rizzo walks to keep the game going.

Javy up now.  Just get on base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 14, 2020, 10:32:38 pm
It would be nice if Javy would start hitting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 14, 2020, 10:35:41 pm
A called strike three ends the game.

Well, it was about time the Cubs played a close game like this, and to finally lose one.  Get 'em tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 14, 2020, 10:36:40 pm
11 K's in 4-2/3 for the Brewer pen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 14, 2020, 10:45:25 pm
Was Phegley really our best PH available?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 14, 2020, 10:57:22 pm
Cubs had an opportunity with Hader tonight, as he wasn't really sharp. Threw 10 breaking balls tonight and Cubs didn’t swing at any of them. Only two were strikes, including final pitch to Baez. Averaged 93.5 with heater, although seemed he might have purposely taken something off a couple times.

Cubs had disciplined ABs against Woodruff, even when weren’t doing anything against him first four innings, but were hacking out of the zone too much against Peralta. Seems like his release point now is tough to pick up.

Way too many Ks against Brewers bullpen.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 14, 2020, 11:09:20 pm
I would have preferred Almora to Phegley...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 15, 2020, 12:13:05 am
https://youtu.be/KxiPAChzECk
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 15, 2020, 02:55:28 am
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

Ross says the plan is for Colin Rea to start tomorrow. Will see how Tyler Chatwood feels, with hope that Monday is a possibility for his return
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 15, 2020, 02:58:57 am
Was Phegley really our best PH available?

Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

Ross said of Bryant: "KB was down." Liked Phegley's ability to hit high fastballs with matchup with Hader.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 15, 2020, 10:43:29 am
Kimbrel got some chase on his curves.  And I think some guys may have guessed curve a time or two when he threw fastball.  He looks like he overthrows an awful lot.  His mound balance and follow-through, seem way out of control to my amateur eyes.  Hopefully one shutout inning is the first, and there will be some more ahead. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 15, 2020, 12:03:54 pm
I never want to see Javy pitch and risk hurting his arm.  But damn, I'd sure like to see Javy pitch.

I felt that way for years about Shawon Dunston.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 15, 2020, 12:41:28 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 15, 2020, 12:49:20 pm
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

Ross said of Bryant: "KB was down." Liked Phegley's ability to hit high fastballs with matchup with Hader.
  But less than 34 hours later  he's starting?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 15, 2020, 02:43:04 pm
Method traded me Houser a couple weeks ago.  Thank you, method.  The rest of you can thank me for playing him today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 15, 2020, 03:01:44 pm
Nice 2-out RBI in the first for Happ, added a second run.

Nice leadoff bunt single by Kipnis set up a 3rd run. 

Those bunt singles against the shift are really fun to watch, it's kinda surprising more lefties aren't able to execute those.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 15, 2020, 03:07:53 pm
Rea, only 35 pitches through first three shutout innings. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 15, 2020, 03:15:15 pm
Actually, Mills pitched well.  After sitting a long time, Ross should have gone to the pen.  Cubs blew a number of scoring ops.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 15, 2020, 03:32:12 pm
Bryant doesn't get a grounder, Baez whiffs on a grounder, Brewers tie it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 15, 2020, 04:16:27 pm
Braun came in 3-21 with one extra-base hit so of course he has two doubles and walk so far today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 15, 2020, 04:55:48 pm
Now 16 K's in 7 innings against the Milwaukee bullpen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 15, 2020, 05:03:04 pm
Wow, Souza ties it after Knebel was brought in.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 15, 2020, 05:11:38 pm
Jeffress navigates through Hiura and Yelich in the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 15, 2020, 05:21:00 pm
Baez is basically an automatic out right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 15, 2020, 05:29:06 pm
Okay, now what? Fake runners on second and third? The count starts at 3 -2, ? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 15, 2020, 05:30:23 pm
Jeffress now getting hit like, well, Jeffress.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 15, 2020, 05:42:27 pm
Ross should have sent Baez earlier.  If he had been the third out, he'd be on second and Schwarbs would be batting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 15, 2020, 05:47:00 pm
Another strikeout ends it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 15, 2020, 06:09:24 pm
https://youtu.be/cUCQhQfkBqs
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 16, 2020, 10:09:20 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 16, 2020, 11:40:54 am
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  50m
Jason Heyward was scratched (mid-back tightness).

New #Cubs lineup:

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 16, 2020, 11:50:01 am
I'm guessing that it's easier to play on the road under these circumstances.  A lot of stress related to family/friends when you're home.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 16, 2020, 04:16:39 pm
Kimbrel looked very good in his 1-2-3 8th inning stint.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 16, 2020, 04:20:04 pm
Kimbrel looked very good in his 1-2-3 8th inning stint.

Funny how staying away from middle of the zone negates tipping your pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 16, 2020, 04:24:39 pm
Robot umps are needed. Great AB by Bote, finally works the walk...only to have the umpire blow the ball 4 call. Brutal.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 16, 2020, 04:29:48 pm
Another missed ball 4 call, this time to Hoerner on 3-1. Should be 2 on, 1 out with Bryant up. Instead, the Cubs are a strike away from losing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 16, 2020, 04:32:16 pm
Hoerner is battling, but he's had to foul off ball 4 a few times now because the umpire is so bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 16, 2020, 04:35:29 pm
I don’t think Cubs have come from behind Once to win a game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 16, 2020, 04:36:45 pm
Funny how staying away from middle of the zone negates tipping your pitches.

Or maybe they corrected his release point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 16, 2020, 04:36:46 pm
Cubs lose.

It's just frustrating to watch a 9th inning like that where Hader doesn't seem to be at quite his best, but he gets bailed out by a huge strike zone. He really struggled to put both Bote and Hoerner away, and they both took what should've been ball 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 16, 2020, 04:38:20 pm
The high fastballs Hoerner kept fouling off were considerably higher than the high fastball miscalled a strike. You can’t let a blown call throw you off to the point that you refuse to take a ball four on pitches WAY out of the zone. Impressive that Hoerner can make contact on Hader high fastballs but he’s the tying run and should be astute enough to take ball four. For me, that’s not a good AB.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 16, 2020, 04:43:32 pm
New York must have had another angle we didn't see on the play where Javy was originally ruled safe at first.   It looked like Hader might have tagged him but there was no overwhelming evidence.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 16, 2020, 05:00:23 pm
Cubs lose three straight in which they had leads of 2, 3, and 3 runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 16, 2020, 05:09:25 pm
Funny how staying away from middle of the zone negates tipping your pitches.
  A good observer could tell you he's keeping his head and face in one position.  He may claim he wasn't tipping, but somebody tipped him off.  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 16, 2020, 05:13:04 pm
https://youtu.be/1t7QZtJe9wk
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 16, 2020, 06:42:10 pm
  A good observer could tell you he's keeping his head and face in one position.  He may claim he wasn't tipping, but somebody tipped him off.  :)

Let's assume that's the case, for sake of discussion.  I'm also assuming that you're serious about this.

He's making better pitches last two appearances.  Seems unlikely that keeping his head and face in one position (rather than turning when he throws one of his pitches) would account for making better pitches.

I could see that making some kind of mechanical adjustment in his delivery--assuming he may possibly have done that--might be helping him make better pitches.  But, not turning his head depending on the type of pitch accounts for making better pitches?   Seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 16, 2020, 07:58:45 pm
How did Adam look, apart from losing the game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 16, 2020, 10:30:37 pm
Reb, understand your confusion.  He has changed his head position after taking the signs. His head used to tip down and towrd third on a fastball and his head would turn toward the plate when he was going to throw a curve.  All this is before starting his pitching motion, but I think you knew that.  Did you hear Dempster the other day?  Derrick Lee let him know that he always knew when Demster was going to throw a change-up because he always took a deep breath after taking the sign.  Yeah, that simple.  Tipping isn't all that complicated.  Gotta wonder why Dempster would tell that story when the discussion was about Kimbrel.  I mentioned this to a friend who was a former pitcher with the Giants, but was born and raised down here and has friends on the Cardinals.  I told him what I had observed and asked him to check with some of the Cardinals.  He just grinned.  "Curt, they already know."  So maybe take a cue from others who may have actually played and stop trying to be the smartest guy on the board.  Hitters have a split second to decide whether to swing.  Do I see better pitch placement, yes, probably another benefit of straightening out his issues, but hitters are now unable to get "a head start."  Go back and read your books and stats.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 17, 2020, 12:12:14 am
Curt- Nice for you that you know an ex-Giant who gave you insight about Kimbrel from a club that just had been isolated from mankind for two weeks and have yet to play the Cubs at all.

I understand a few things about baseball aside from “books and stats”—-as you put it. Not very sporting of you to pigeonhole me like that, especially as you don’t and can’t know who I may get insight from over the years.

I respectfully assume that you know plenty about baseball. You saw something about Kimbrel but it doesn’t follow that what you saw has a causal connection with the bad Kimbrel before the latest outings and the good Kimbrel of the latest outings.

One other note. The  “take a cue from others who may have actually played”—as you put it—may have its place at times but, more often, is unfortunately the kind of thing said by those unfriendly toward hard evidence and cause-and-effect. Anecdotal stuff is fine, and hearsay once-removed from somebody that you know can be interesting, but you’re right that this ought to be simple.

In this case, we can look at pitching charts from games that show (a) pitches in the middle of the plate being hammered and (b) pitches in better-located parts of the zone NOT being hammered.

So, for me, it’s about location, not about tipping.

And, perhaps your expert observations about Kimbrel and tipping can now shed some insight about Kimbrel’s actual pitching release mechanics—before and after—that have resulted in better command. Please let me suggest that you share your insights with the board about that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 17, 2020, 08:38:39 am
Reb, I'm responding for clarification only.  Yes, the Cardinals were quarantined in Milwaukee.  That's why I checked my observations with someone close by.  His response was that he didn't need to check, because a number of teams had already observed it.  I already conceded the fact that "fixing" one issue may easily have contributed to the repair of another.  Now, I won't continue further because because an argument between two guys who both know it all is boring to everyone, and that seems to be us.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 12:46:47 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 01:51:09 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  51s
Alzolay took ball off forearm, thus changing plans

Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  2m
Tyson Miller will start game 2
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 01:53:10 pm
Jordan Bastian  @MLBastian  1m
Alzolay's injury isn't considered serious. Day to day with a contusion. Still potentially in the mix for a start with Cubs Wednesday in 2nd doubleheader with Cards this series.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 17, 2020, 02:22:21 pm
Reb, I'm responding for clarification only.  Yes, the Cardinals were quarantined in Milwaukee.  That's why I checked my observations with someone close by.  His response was that he didn't need to check, because a number of teams had already observed it.  I already conceded the fact that "fixing" one issue may easily have contributed to the repair of another.  Now, I won't continue further because because an argument between two guys who both know it all is boring to everyone, and that seems to be us.

Look, tipping is material when a pitcher is throwing good pitches that are getting hit—inexplicably—or spit on even when hitters are behind in the count.

That’s not what happened here. Instead, there is actual hard evidence what happened, which I won’t repeat again. Not to mention comments from the horse’s mouth plus his manager.

Double hearsay, that you refer to, does not trump hard evidence.

By all means, believe what you want to believe, but the simplest explanation is often the real answer—as here. Bad pitches=hard hit baseballs.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 17, 2020, 02:46:57 pm
reb, I haven't looked closely at the pitches.  But one other note that you have often noted yourself is the pure randomness of baseball.  On Friday, it seemed he threw a couple of fastballs that seemed to bisect the plate and weren't at the top edge, but guys just didn't hit them.  Sometimes you make a mistake and it gets whacked; sometimes you get away with it. 

In yesterday's game, a guy took a pitch a couple inches below the top, and there were about three where the catcher called for the top edge and he got strikes at the bottom fo the zone.  sometimes you miss your spot, and it gets whacked.  Sometimes you miss your spot so badly that it ends up touching the opposite edge of the strike zone and works out great. 

Smoak K'd as 2nd batter.  He just took back-to-back curves, for strikes 2 and 3.  Maybe Kimbrel was tipping and Smoak was tipped enough to just spit on it, beats me.  But since the pitches were strikes, that didn't work out for hitter either. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 02:55:55 pm
He has changed his head position after taking the signs. His head used to tip down and towrd third on a fastball and his head would turn toward the plate when he was going to throw a curve.  All this is before starting his pitching motion, but I think you knew that. 

Just fyi...I just Googled "Kimbrel tipping pitches." The first several results are from the playoffs in 2018, when Eric Gagne informed Kimbrel he was tipping pitches. Here's how it was explained in a USA Today article (sounds like Gagne noticed something pretty similar to what you did):

It turned out, Gagne detected, that Kimbrel’s glove was pulled tighter to his beard when he threw his breaking ball than his fastball. He was also turning his head toward home plate and picking up the catcher’s target earlier on the fastball than the breaking ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: DelMarFan on August 17, 2020, 03:33:41 pm
It sure looked to me like the hitters knew what was coming, at least for his first few appearances.  Not a single swing at a curveball, etc.  Most of the posters seemed to think the same thing.  Still,

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By all means, believe what you want to believe

Because you seem receptive to feedback, however, let me point out a danger of your posting style.  To me, it comes across as argumentative above and beyond what's necessary.  For some posters with a similar style, it comes across as a desperate attempt to demonstrate that they are the smartest guy in the room.  We know you're smart, and I don't think that's it for you--you just like to argue and want to convince people that you're right.  It frequently comes across as condescending.  Most of us don't like to argue for the sake of arguing, so it can be annoying.  I feel pretty confident that Curt is annoyed by the exchange.  I know it just feels like an exchange of ideas to you, but if I were Curt I might feel like I had to defend my point, which would take time and energy.  I might just say 'screw it,' and not post, especially if I was going to rely on something that smacks of hearsay, about which you seem oddly obsessed.  I mention this because I think shutting down other posters is absolutely not what you want, but it could happen.  Also, and perhaps more importantly, I would much rather read Curt's anecdotal thoughts than your arguing about why you're right.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 03:54:11 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  12m
Steven Souza Jr. was scratched (right hamstring tightness).

New #Cubs lineup:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfpmW2vXYAYZ3Or?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 04:03:26 pm
Seems like we've had guys get scratched almost every day the last few days. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 04:23:19 pm
Given how uncertain the Cubs pitching staff is right now with Chatwood out and 2 double headers this week, it would be nice if Hendricks could just go all 7 in this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 17, 2020, 04:26:43 pm
It's just a shame that we are being punished for the Cardinals' inability to govern themselves accordingly.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 04:30:43 pm
With 2nd and 3rd, 1 out for the Cubs, the Cardinals IBB slumping Contreras to get to Happ. Doesn't seem like a good decision to me.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 04:33:37 pm
Good job letting Kim off the hook there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 17, 2020, 05:05:17 pm
One stinking run, watch, Cubs don’t come from behind, major fault.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 05:10:35 pm
47 pitches through 4 for Hendricks, so he has a good chance of pitching a complete game. Hopefully the Cubs are able to score for him. They’ve already blown two big chances in 3 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 05:11:41 pm
HAPP!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 05:36:08 pm
Four of our starters today now below the Mendoza Line.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 05:42:52 pm
Baez/Contreras/Happ due in a tie game in the 6th. Get a couple runs here and let Hendricks finish it off.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 05:50:28 pm
This offense is terrible right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 06:08:38 pm
Cubs ace vs. bullpen game, and the Cubs offense gets completely shut down. The team went into a tailspin as soon as the Brewers and Cardinals came to town.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 06:10:50 pm
Bote/Phegley/Almora due in the bottom of the 7th. Hopefully we'll see Kipnis and Schwarber at some point in the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 17, 2020, 06:11:02 pm
Oh brother.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 17, 2020, 06:19:51 pm
Phegley and Almora hit for themselves with predictable results. Cubs lose.

If the Cubs want to carry Phegley as an emergency catcher so that Ross can more aggressively use Contreras and Caratini in games they don't start, then that's fine. But if Ross is going to put him in the lineup against LHP and let him take high leverage ABs, the front office needs to cut him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 06:22:18 pm
We're still going to lose the division, aren't we?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 06:38:45 pm
Game 1 "highlights"

https://youtu.be/A2l0J0D13DY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 17, 2020, 06:39:58 pm
HAS ROSS BEEN FIRED YET.  Relax everybody.  We knew we'd hit a bad patch once or twoce...sucks it had to happen now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 06:40:48 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfqPFFHWkAErhjB?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 17, 2020, 06:41:23 pm
Well, if “Undecided” can go seven, and Cubs don’t have to come from behind, maybe we can “push”.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 06:47:31 pm
Cardinals are the home team and will bat last in game 2 although they will wear their road jerseys.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 07:06:21 pm
I think we're just finding our level - we were never as good as the first 16 games.  Likely a 4-way dogfight between average-slightly above teams right to the end.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 07:08:38 pm
Jordan Bastian  @MLBastian  5m
Well, that's weird.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfqUib7WsAEY8b5?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 17, 2020, 07:18:12 pm
Took me an hour to try to explain how St. Louis is the home team in game 2 to my wife. She insisted they jetted to Missouri. Then she ragged me for another hour that the first game can’t be over yet ‘cause we’ve only played seven. I refrained from telling her about the extra inning runner on second rule ‘cause she’s making macaroni and cheese and I don’t want to mess it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 07:20:11 pm
Reyes not really hittable but walks three and throws a wild pitch for a run. Unfortunately, Schwarber tried to score from 2nd on the WP and was thrown out by 10 feet.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 07:23:04 pm
1 run won't win this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 07:42:26 pm
One scoreless inning for Miller was a win. Cubs should've quit with him when they were ahead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 07:44:13 pm
Jordan Bastian  @MLBastian  5m
Well, that's weird.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfqUib7WsAEY8b5?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Bonus weirdness: the third-base umpire is number 101.  Did our scoreboard operators have to make a custom panel for it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 07:45:00 pm
Incidentally, journeyman Brad Miller has as many RBI in the past hour as Bryant has this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 17, 2020, 07:54:42 pm
Took me an hour to try to explain how St. Louis is the home team in game 2 to my wife.
  Can you jet up here and explain it to mine?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 17, 2020, 07:58:30 pm
Cubs need to get out of Chicago.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 17, 2020, 08:05:40 pm
A well rested team comes in and this is surprising?  Cubs should go into COVID quarantine for 4 weeks and see what happens.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 08:07:55 pm
Half the Cardinals roster is AAA fodder and you think they are at an advantage?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 08:07:58 pm
Tepera is looking pretty good, but that one-run lead looks huge the way the Cubs are playing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 08:18:05 pm
It's probably too early to worry about this, but the game is nearly half over and the Cubs still don't have a hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 08:22:34 pm
Narrator: It is not, in fact, too early to worry.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 08:24:52 pm
You just have to tip your cap to the Brad Millers and Max Schrocks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 08:27:08 pm
At least it ain't Edman for a change.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 17, 2020, 08:35:14 pm
Kyle Ryan’s heaters in 2020 are at his 2019 cutter velocity. Going to be tough for him to contribute like last season unless he can regain some velocity.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 08:42:24 pm
Caratini walks to start the fifth inning against number 92, Génesis Cabrera. Who are these guys?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 08:45:16 pm
Caratini walks to start the fifth inning against number 92, Génesis Cabrera. Who are these guys?

Prospects and 4A guys. Brad Miller's been on five teams over the last two years but you'd never know it tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 17, 2020, 08:52:38 pm
Miller is a slightly better-than-average major league hitter. His issue is that doesn’t really have a position but not really good enough to ge a regular DH either. Today, he’s Ted Williams.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 08:54:36 pm
Miller has 7.5 WAR in 8 years.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 08:55:06 pm
Kyle Ryan is not a major league pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 09:03:16 pm
Watching this team tonight, you would never think they were in first place.  Hopefully Darvish can give us a good game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 09:06:01 pm
Well, the no-hitter is gone. Course this game an at-bat after Schwarber just struck out attempting to bunt....

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 09:10:19 pm
BOTE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 09:10:45 pm
Bote makes up for some mind-numbingly dumb decisions with a 3-run homer for the lead.

Was starting to think Covid was infecting the roster.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 09:10:58 pm
BOTE!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 09:11:21 pm
Well as Curt would say, the Cards finally found the reliever who sucked.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 09:13:31 pm
Kipnis walks on a full count -- it looked like he swung -- and the inning continues.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 17, 2020, 09:17:36 pm
Miller has 7.5 WAR in 8 years.

Miller had a career 102 OPS+, slightly better than average.

His career WAR is substantially reduced because of negative defensive ratings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 09:22:09 pm
Miller must be good, he just walked to start the 6th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 17, 2020, 09:22:42 pm
Okay, come on in from behind and win this baby in seven, yes indeed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 09:24:56 pm
Winkler induces the DP from the third-string catcher.

Guess Wick will get the "9th".
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 09:25:03 pm
Well we survived the Winkler inning.  Another run or two would be welcome!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 09:26:00 pm
Lead off double for Rizzo
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 09:26:46 pm
Rizzo doubles to start the sixth; let's get some insurance here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 09:28:37 pm
Kimbrel to close it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 09:31:57 pm
Baez is Jimmy Hoffa at the plate right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 09:36:12 pm
I can understand not trusting Kimbrel yet, but if not I'd rather it be Wick than Jeffress.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 09:38:16 pm
Kimbrel to close it?

I remember his last outing against the Cardinals in a game when the Cubs had made a big comeback to get back in it.  No thanks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 09:38:44 pm
Cubs Win!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 17, 2020, 09:38:49 pm
EASY PEASY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 17, 2020, 09:38:59 pm
Have to say we needed that one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 17, 2020, 09:39:49 pm
Yes they did.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 17, 2020, 09:41:17 pm
Stealing that one could be pretty big.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 17, 2020, 09:41:58 pm
Huge win today.  I wonder if Baseball Reference can accurately calculate the odds of winning the game at each point in these seven-inning games.  Being down three in the sixth with only one more inning left, the Cubs must have had a less-than-10% chance of winning today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 17, 2020, 09:44:25 pm
Good to win an away game and come from behind to boot. Or is it Bote.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 17, 2020, 10:20:21 pm
https://youtu.be/cT0HkeqWD8Q
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 18, 2020, 03:31:23 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfutF2RXkAYcIrz?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 18, 2020, 05:23:03 pm
Derrick S. Goold  @dgoold  13m
Dexter Fowler says #stlcards heard from #MLB about players taking in the game from seats behind home plate. “Let’s get one thing clear — we weren’t behind home plate,” Fowler says. They were, technically, by on-deck circle. Asked why they had to move, Fowler shrugs. “Money.”
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 18, 2020, 06:36:45 pm
Look, I tell the wife, your guy Yu is on the mound tonight and we are playing nine and get to bat last. Quit griping and fix us some eggs. The game is on FS1.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 06:48:59 pm
Does a SP still have to go 5 innings to qualify for the win in a schedule 7-inning game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 18, 2020, 07:32:49 pm
Does a SP still have to go 5 innings to qualify for the win in a schedule 7-inning game?

See Jake Odorizzi below.

http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=400815209&final=true
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 07:39:32 pm
The strikeout rate for this team is starting to be pretty alarming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 18, 2020, 07:54:53 pm
See Jake Odorizzi below.

http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=400815209&final=true

The page isn't displaying for me; which game is this?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 18, 2020, 08:03:15 pm
Twins/KC
August 15
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 08:11:35 pm
Happ!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 18, 2020, 08:22:36 pm
Kipnis and Schwarber both struck out on ball four this inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 08:29:11 pm
Darvish in trouble in the 4th.  Bases loaded and no out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 18, 2020, 08:30:27 pm
That’s okay, we got force outs now, another double play maybe
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 18, 2020, 08:40:19 pm
This is our inning I can feel it
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: ticohans on August 18, 2020, 08:41:16 pm
Ump calls a pitch 6-8 inches inside on Heyward a strike. Ok.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 18, 2020, 08:50:12 pm
Twins/KC
August 15

Thanks, Reb:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN202008151.shtml

So Odorizzi went four innings (more than half the game) but didn't get the win; I guess you still have to go five even in a seven-inning game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 09:23:46 pm
One thing to be said for Darvish tonight is he hasn't been quite on top of his game, but he's very much limited the damage.  That first year and a half, a start like this could easily have gotten out of hand.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 09:28:04 pm
SCHWARBER!!!

4-1 Cubs!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 09:56:36 pm
One thing to be said for Darvish tonight is he hasn't been quite on top of his game, but he's very much limited the damage.  That first year and a half, a start like this could easily have gotten out of hand.

That's what aces do.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 10:10:49 pm
Almost have to see Kimbrel at some point today.  Less pressure protecting a lead in the 8th or 9th?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 10:12:36 pm
Tuffy will appreciate this (or be very aghast, one of the two), but Jesus Cruz just became the first player in MLB history to wear #86.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 18, 2020, 10:23:22 pm
Sadler pitched a nice inning. He and Tepera seem to have worked themselves into the high leverage innings that don't go to Wick, Jeffress, and (maybe) Kimbrel.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 10:30:04 pm
Carantini doubles in an insurance run, and it's 5-1!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 18, 2020, 10:37:07 pm
Cubs have had more engaging, productive at-bats tonight, really working the count better. They've seen almost 200 pitches in 7 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 18, 2020, 10:56:21 pm
The bullpen is rearing its ugly head in the 8th.

Kimbrel nowhere to be found.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 18, 2020, 11:04:40 pm
Great.  Let's put up that stat.  WTF?!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 11:10:19 pm
It's interesting that Ross wouldn't go to Kimbrel with a big lead, even after two decent outings and a day off.  Seems like any chance of his being a factor this year is extremely remote.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 11:17:28 pm
Wick's velocity seems down.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 18, 2020, 11:20:54 pm
Tuffy will appreciate this (or be very aghast, one of the two), but Jesus Cruz just became the first player in MLB history to wear #86.

There are only a few numbers left that have never been worn.  Something needs to be done to reign this nonsense in -- how about bringing some of the ridiculous amount of retired numbers back into circulation and allowing only one retired number per team?

If it keeps going, we'll have this:

(https://www.nishinippon.co.jp/uploads/image/498084/middle_22d0236691.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 18, 2020, 11:23:34 pm
What's wrong with 23?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 11:24:18 pm
I thought Wick's velocity was down a little too, but he just popped 94 and 95.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 11:25:09 pm
And popped 96.  He must have saved a little bit for this final out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 18, 2020, 11:25:23 pm
EASY PEASY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 11:25:28 pm
Cubs Win!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 18, 2020, 11:26:00 pm
SHITO #23
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 18, 2020, 11:26:51 pm
Honestly, though, if Wick and Jeffress keep getting the job done, I'm not sure we should be in too much of a hurry to put Kimbrel back into the fire.  There's plenty of time to be patient with him. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 18, 2020, 11:27:24 pm
It's interesting that Ross wouldn't go to Kimbrel with a big lead, even after two decent outings and a day off.  Seems like any chance of his being a factor this year is extremely remote.
Since this is Wick's second day in a row, Kimbrel better be ready tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 18, 2020, 11:29:17 pm


Honestly, though, if Wick and Jeffress keep getting the job done, I'm not sure we should be in too much of a hurry to put Kimbrel back into the fire.  There's plenty of time to be patient with him. 

Not as much as there would be in a normal season.

Also, you have a doubleheader tomorrow (albeit 7 inning games), and Wick threw 27 pitches after pitching yesterday, so he's probably unavailable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 12:09:47 am
Time of game 4:09

https://youtu.be/aY-16OSHZso
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 19, 2020, 12:14:59 am
Time of game 4:09

Absolutely no reason why a run of the mill 6-3 game should ever last that long. 

I think this is the second or third time this season too the Cubs have had a relatively ordinary 9 inning game go 4+ hours?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 19, 2020, 12:19:43 am
I take that back.  We've had a couple of 3:46 games this season, but this is the first one to go over 4 hours.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2020-schedule-scores.shtml
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 12:32:53 am
Yu said he was intentionally slowing down this year to emulate the rhythm he had in NPB.  It's obviously working in more ways than one.  Great pitcher, but definitely a slow worker.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 12:34:55 am
Absolutely no reason why a run of the mill 6-3 game should ever last that long. 

And that was without the Cubs batting in the bottom of the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 19, 2020, 03:32:53 am
Games this long generally happen when there is a ton of pitches, not because one pitcher is a slow worker, often accompanied by a lot of relievers in the game.

Cubs saw 207 pitches.

Red Sox Phillies tonight (9 innings) was 4:06. Phillies saw over 200 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 04:16:26 am
Mike McGraw
@McGrawDHBulls
·
4h
Yu Darvish said his plan was to work slower this year so he can focus on every pitch, the way he did in Japan. If anyone was wondering why the #Cubs game lasted 4+ hours tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 19, 2020, 08:18:00 am
Forcing 200+ pitches from a team coming off a DH and has to play a DH the next day is something I will take all day long.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 19, 2020, 08:43:04 am
It was 9:30 when the 5th inning ended...2.5 hours.

Painful, but still better than some of the forced measures they are trying to implement to "speed up" the game...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 19, 2020, 08:58:40 am
Pitch clock.  Computer strike zone.  DH. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 19, 2020, 09:41:55 am
Listed starters are Mills vs Flaherty game 1, unlisted game 2. 

I get the sense of using your known starter in game 1; if he goes 6 or 7, then you know how much usage of other relievers was needed, and how to manage your arms for game 2. 

On the other hand, part of me kinda wishes they'd just save Mills for game 2.  Given the Cubs record, *if* they can get out with a split today, that's fine.  Sweeping would be awesome for sure, but a split would be two games closer to the playoffs, and two less chances for Cardinals to gain ground. It's getting swept that I don't want.  With the cubs bad pen, game two as a bullpen game or with some South Bend guy who's on par or worse than Tyson Miller, might be pretty risky. 

So if we're going to be going with somebody Tyson Miller-ish  followed by Underwood etc in one game, I'd almost rather just match that up against Flaherty and take that as an odds-are-against-us game; but then go with Mills versus their bullpen in the other game. 

Hopefully it works out, and Cubs can get some runs and beat Flaherty; and then maybe Underwood and Alzolay and Kimbrel or whomever do just fine in the scramble game and they win that one too. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 10:07:52 am
Games this long generally happen when there is a ton of pitches, not because one pitcher is a slow worker, often accompanied by a lot of relievers in the game.

Cubs saw 207 pitches.

Red Sox Phillies tonight (9 innings) was 4:06. Phillies saw over 200 pitches.
There were 19 runs scored in that game.   

The Cubs/Cards totaled 9 runs but it seemed to me that there were an inordinate number of foul balls.  Is there a stat for that anywhere?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 12:03:47 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Efy6_ILXYAIC_bb?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 12:04:36 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  20m
The #Cubs today recalled RHP Adbert Alzolay from the club’s South Bend Alternate Site.

He will serve as the 29th man for our doubleheader and start Game 2 vs. St. Louis.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 01:13:45 pm
Very interesting and well done version of The Star Spangled Banner by those guitar players.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 19, 2020, 01:32:21 pm
Four batters in, the Cub are down 4-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 01:32:51 pm
The opponents now have a scouting report on Alec Mills.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 19, 2020, 01:33:41 pm
Four up, four in for Cardinals.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 19, 2020, 01:43:25 pm
Happ gets one run right back. MVP.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 19, 2020, 01:56:35 pm
Mills is like Hendricks, he has no margin of error. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 02:06:19 pm
57 pitches thru 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 02:24:33 pm
4:20 start time for game 2 looks in jeopardy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 02:51:44 pm
Another bases loaded failure to produce a run. Disheartening.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 19, 2020, 03:29:40 pm
Javy is broken.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 03:51:37 pm
Why is he standing so far off the plate?  We need this second game. Who is this Albert, no Adbert Alzolay? He can’t do any worse than Mills. Javi is a mystery, did somebody tell him to back off the plate? Do we have a hitting coach? Do we need a hitting coach that tells him or allows him to stand so far off the plate?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 19, 2020, 04:04:12 pm
One thing I don't miss...Fowler catching fly balls at chest level. That always drove me nuts.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 04:29:25 pm
3:01 time of game - right where most games are these days.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 19, 2020, 04:36:54 pm
3:01 time of game - right where most games are these days.
for nine or seven?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 04:37:52 pm
The Phegs is unleashed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 19, 2020, 04:40:18 pm
Quote
One thing I don't miss...Fowler catching fly balls at chest level. That always drove me nuts.

Doesn't Almora do the same thing? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 04:47:45 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 19, 2020, 04:50:32 pm
Why did Flaherty only to 1.2?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 06:09:22 pm
Alzolay's stuff looks really good. Slider and change both sharp. Cubs really need him to stay healthy and become a permanent starter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 19, 2020, 06:12:20 pm
Nice reflexes by Oviedo on that Schwarber liner. That could've been ugly if he didn't get his glove up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on August 19, 2020, 06:37:39 pm
Feels like a big spot here. Runner on 3rd for the Cards, one out, 8 and 9 due up. Cubs up 2-0 in the 5th, which feels like the 7th.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on August 19, 2020, 06:39:20 pm
Sac fly. 2-1. But Alzolay gets through 5. Gonna likely be a nail biter the rest of the way.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 06:42:25 pm
Nail biter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 06:47:25 pm
Offense still MIA against 4A pitchers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 19, 2020, 06:47:47 pm
Jeffress is coming in to pitch the 6th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 06:48:29 pm
Didn’t even swing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 19, 2020, 06:52:13 pm
lordy, Ryan warming up.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 06:55:36 pm
Jeffress for 2 innings pitching 2nd straight day, Wick for a third straight day coming off 27 pitches, or actually give Kimbrel the ball?

This is all assuming Ross isn't stupid enough to give Ryan the ball.  Theo really needs to remove the temptation and just DFA him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 06:59:10 pm
With this pitch count, even if he gets out of it can't imagine Jeffress gets the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:00:57 pm
Brad Miller.....again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: vander-built on August 19, 2020, 07:01:51 pm
He was struck out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 19, 2020, 07:02:23 pm
Blown third strike call always means something bad on the next pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:10:38 pm
27M outfielder trying to sacrifice
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:12:03 pm
Then again maybe you bunt when you can't hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 19, 2020, 07:13:36 pm
Bases loaded for Cubs.  That's bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 19, 2020, 07:14:09 pm
Stinks, I can smell it all the way down here. Can’t move ‘em over can’t do ****
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:14:36 pm
Hoerner lines a single w/ runners on but we still can't score.

Bases loaded for Bote who seems to be able to come through in the clutch a decent amount.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 19, 2020, 07:16:33 pm
We need to get more than one run out of this inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:18:06 pm
Clutch is not real huh?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:18:58 pm
If they hold on two of these wins can be traced to huge late hits by Bote.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 07:21:06 pm
Career .991 OPS with RISP and 2 outs, .880 high leverage.  Bote really does seem to be clutch, though we're assured clutch hitters are a myth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 07:33:34 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 19, 2020, 07:34:20 pm
Nice to have the old Kimbrel back!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 19, 2020, 07:34:28 pm
Kimbrel may be fixed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 19, 2020, 07:35:14 pm
Is he back? Fastballs at 98 & 98.7 and knuckle curves for strikes. Seems pretty nasty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:36:42 pm
Velocity much better though almost no swings and misses on the FB. Still not locating great, but definitely looking improved.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 19, 2020, 07:37:55 pm
Didn't hurt that the 2-0 pitch to Wong out of zone was called a strike.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 07:38:58 pm
Still just a little shaky - clearly afraid to use the curve against lefties. But much better location on the fastball, and not obviously tipping. A big, big improvement.

Winning 3/5 feels like a real bullet dodged. Like we were on the precipice of a real stumble and managed to dodge it. All three games we won could easily have been losses.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 07:54:14 pm
Last three Kimbrel outings: 3-0-0-1-7
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 19, 2020, 07:55:41 pm
Kimbrel looked much better but there's room for improvement. Still, it was encouraging.  And it was a pretty important game to win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 19, 2020, 08:00:07 pm
Kimbrel looked much better but there's room for improvement. Still, it was encouraging.  And it was a pretty important game to win.

There's great movement on the curve, but it still seems like he has no idea where it's going. But the velocity seems fine, and location on the fastball is much improved.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 19, 2020, 08:13:33 pm
Career .991 OPS with RISP and 2 outs, .880 high leverage.  Bote really does seem to be clutch, though we're assured clutch hitters are a myth.

Late And Close:

Bote is 223-321-362.

How do you explain that?

In any case, he does not have enough career PAs to infer much of anything, one way or the other. He has gotten some big hits, but we tend to remember those and forget the failures.

Down 0-2 against a tough righty today, that was a really nice AB against a tough righty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 19, 2020, 08:49:17 pm
Really nice to get the hit and get the win.  Very fine game by Alzolay.  with Chatwood out, I'd guess Alzolay will get another start. 

By all accounts, Kimbrel is a really nice, try-hard sincere guy. Glad for his sake to have something work out. 

First K, guy still just took a couple of two-strike breaking balls.  One just missed; the other got called K.  I think second batter took one, too, before eventually chasing with two strikes.  But yeah, zipping it up there at 97 and 98 works pretty well, and most of the fastballs were in the zone or close.  That will work. 

Heh heh, so we lost the home series 2-1, but swept the road games.  :):)

Brewers and Cards combined, went 4-5.  Not great, but given the lead we've got, having your worst week being only a game below .500 doesn't cost much. 

There was thought that the central was going to be a really strong division.  24 games in, Cubs are only team over .500. 

Pounding fastball and letting them sit on fastball is probably the way.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 19, 2020, 11:12:23 pm
https://youtu.be/dFo550hCmVo
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 21, 2020, 03:19:50 pm
Bryant still MIA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef-EY-OWAAIBjPC?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 21, 2020, 06:44:57 pm
Wow, that looks like about the worst lineup you could piece together apart from Phegley not starting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 21, 2020, 07:56:43 pm
Boy, that’s the way to play ‘em, Almora!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 21, 2020, 08:11:06 pm
Is everyone hearing an echo on the Marquee broadcast?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 21, 2020, 08:21:33 pm
It's probably the ball hitting the tin seats after leaving Lester's hand.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on August 21, 2020, 08:30:54 pm
Fun game tonight...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 21, 2020, 08:36:26 pm
Old man Lester showing his whiskers, just because he’s pals with Ross, this is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 21, 2020, 08:42:32 pm
The most worrying thing at the moment is the idea that the performance of the rotation in the first three weeks was a mirage.  Darvish is legit and you know what you're getting from Hendricks.  But Chatwood is hurt, and there was no way Lester and Mills could perform at that level long-term with the stuff they have.  Lester isn't going anywhere, but how much rope do you give Mills with Alzolay and Quintana out there as options?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 21, 2020, 09:11:46 pm
Why couldn’t Javy just strike out there?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 21, 2020, 09:17:00 pm
Why make one out when you can make two?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 21, 2020, 09:17:31 pm
LOL, that ball should have had a stewardess on it...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 21, 2020, 11:38:36 pm
15:24

https://youtu.be/02pSnwVCG14
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 22, 2020, 02:50:53 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgDKTUvWsAkQVr4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 22, 2020, 03:00:01 pm
Again, thank you, Bennett
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 22, 2020, 04:03:07 pm
Bryant really has been plagued by injuries.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 22, 2020, 07:34:54 pm
Nobody has to correct me, but I've always hated watching these crosstown games.  Why?  From back when they were just exhibition games I would get the impression that Cub players weren't playing with a lot of enthusiasm while the Sox were buying their asses to kick ours.  Just my impression.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 22, 2020, 07:46:33 pm
Would Robert be the Cubs best offensive player?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 22, 2020, 07:57:51 pm
Not sure what Willy is so worked up about - Lopez obviously not trying to hit him there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 22, 2020, 08:05:20 pm
Caratini is a pretty professional hitter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 22, 2020, 08:14:20 pm
Not sure what Willy is so worked up about - Lopez obviously not trying to hit him there.

I think he's probably just tired of getting hit. He's been hit 6 times already, which ties him with Rizzo for the MLB lead. And unlike Rizzo, it's never really been a huge part of his game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 22, 2020, 08:21:56 pm
Hendricks is not at his best tonight, and now Baez and Kipnis only get one out on the easiest double play chance you'll ever see.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 22, 2020, 08:24:02 pm
Two bad throws in a row by Baez, but Rizzo gets the tag.

Maybe he needs a day or two off.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 22, 2020, 08:24:14 pm
I don't know where Baez' head is, but he's awful on both sides of the ball atm.  Almost got Laz Diaz killed there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 22, 2020, 08:28:33 pm
And now jogging to first base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 22, 2020, 09:09:51 pm
Cubs have been out-homered 8-0 in this series. What's the payroll again?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 22, 2020, 09:13:30 pm
Yeah, but we're number one in k's!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 22, 2020, 09:16:07 pm
Time for Ross to earn his money.  The team just looks like they're in a serious funk.  In theory this should be an area where he really excels, though he certainly can't make up for deficiencies in talent.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 22, 2020, 09:23:27 pm
Year 4 of the dysfunctional offense is the same as years 1, 2, and 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 22, 2020, 10:32:44 pm
Abreu now has three homers in this game, five in two nights, and the Sox have out-homered the Cubs 11-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 22, 2020, 10:38:49 pm
Year 4 of the dysfunctional offense is the same as years 1, 2, and 3.
First 10 games or so, I kept saying, Who Are These Guys?  Last 10 days or so, Oh, I know who they are.  They're the same guys we had last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 23, 2020, 12:16:41 am
Viewing is optional

https://youtu.be/mLPw7jzVM0E
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 23, 2020, 12:18:02 am
First 10 games or so, I kept saying, Who Are These Guys?  Last 10 days or so, Oh, I know who they are.  They're the same guys we had last year.

The Epstein front office has been the best the Cubs have ever had. But their biggest mistake was in the 2017-18 offseason, when they couldn't pull the trigger on trading a couple of promising (at the time) young players for a player or two who would diversify their lineup. It was already obvious at that point that they had too many hitters with the same weaknesses.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 23, 2020, 10:19:03 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on August 23, 2020, 01:44:23 pm
Cubs give up a lot of hrs.. 12 in 20 ip to th wsox now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 23, 2020, 01:45:15 pm
And those are just the ones Abreu has hit. Maybe try pitching around him?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2020, 01:47:06 pm
I see we have another idiot behind home plate who isn’t going to give Darvish the high strike...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on August 23, 2020, 01:47:48 pm
Means cease won't get it either. And he's been pitching up more.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 01:53:17 pm
Cubs badly need a camera in the scoreboard and a beatable trashcan in the dugout.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2020, 01:55:40 pm
Abreu has 6 homers.

Cubs have 5 runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2020, 01:56:30 pm
Means cease won't get it either. And he's been pitching up more.
True, but Cease is pitching to a team that can’t hit anyway...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2020, 02:26:12 pm
https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1297607816409161729?s=21
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 23, 2020, 03:00:05 pm
Marquee needs to show us a split screen when a call like the one on Rizzo is disputed at the plate.  That has to be what New York looked at.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 03:05:45 pm
Is it too early to call the Quintana trade a fail?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 03:08:56 pm
Marquee needs to show us a split screen when a call like the one on Rizzo is disputed at the plate.  That has to be what New York looked at.
I have been consistently disappointed in both baseball and football replays how often calls are reversed without clear evidence    To call Rizz out on that you have to SPECULATE that the tag was applied before the foot hit the plate.  You can't see it from any angle.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 23, 2020, 03:12:04 pm
This offense is just laughable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 03:12:57 pm
Bases loaded=kiss of death
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2020, 03:55:45 pm
Kimbrel looks nasty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:32:05 pm
Come on Jeffress...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:32:43 pm
Jesus.  Bases loaded.  Were screwed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2020, 04:33:01 pm
Pitches not even close...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:33:35 pm
strike one
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:33:52 pm
Ball one
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 23, 2020, 04:34:20 pm
I'm hoping the Cubs have pretty much hit rock bottom and that things will turn around soon. This is painful.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:34:28 pm
Strike two
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:34:46 pm
Ball two
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:35:32 pm
POP UP...   No catch
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:36:04 pm
Should be out of the game.  Bodie stumbles agains the rail.  Not an easy one but could have made it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 04:36:31 pm
If Wick and Jeffress are battling for closer...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:36:35 pm
Ground ball.

EASY PEASY.

CUBS WIN
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 23, 2020, 04:40:29 pm
So after walking two guys to load the bases, Jeffress (according to pitch trax) throws one pitch barely on the edge of the strike zone out of the first five. The Cubs were very, very lucky to not get swept by the White Sox.

It's amazing that they started out playing so well, then suddenly started playing so poorly.  Hope it's a just a team slump that they will reverse very soon. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 23, 2020, 04:41:08 pm
Cy Darvish goes to 5-1
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 04:44:36 pm
Javy did okay but I think he needed to be dropped in the order days ago
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 23, 2020, 04:46:44 pm
Gotta give our pitchers their due.  Whatever success we've had lately, it's because of them.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 23, 2020, 04:55:29 pm
Darvish is basically 2nd-half '15 Jake if he keeps pitching like this.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 23, 2020, 04:57:44 pm
So after walking two guys to load the bases, Jeffress (according to pitch trax) throws one pitch barely on the edge of the strike zone out of the first five. The Cubs were very, very lucky to not get swept by the White Sox..l


Jeffress does not give in to the hitter. If you look at his pitch chart from today at Baseball Savant, Jeffress did not throw even one pitch in a good hitting part of the zone. So, even on a day when many of his pitches were way out of the zone, he’s still throwing a lot of pitches in good parts of the zone, pitcher’s pitches. He knows how to vary his location and stuff. Of course, the two walks put him into a tough spot but practically had to get 5 outs in the 9th—with the cheap swinging bunt single and Bote’s botched pop up that should have ended the game.

But, yeah, Cubs fortunate to win this game with the sleepy offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 23, 2020, 05:05:45 pm
https://youtu.be/WKx8XXcXYIc
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 23, 2020, 05:40:44 pm
Yu is this team's early season MVP and it's not close.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 23, 2020, 05:52:42 pm
And the NL Cy Young frontrunner.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 23, 2020, 06:20:25 pm
Yu is this team's early season MVP and it's not close.

He's the leader, but I'd say Happ is reasonably close.

After those two, it's a bit of a dropoff to Hendricks, then a much bigger dropoff to...Rizzo, I guess?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 23, 2020, 06:27:51 pm
I'll  nominate Phegley
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on August 23, 2020, 06:47:54 pm
Terrible game. Terrible.

Darvish cost the sox 2nd place today... but for the first time in 12 years i feel ok posting in this tread during our games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 23, 2020, 07:11:41 pm
The Cubs were held to two runs in six innings by a pitcher wearing #84.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 23, 2020, 07:12:17 pm
The Chi Sox are a very good team and should be for years to come.  Losing a meaningless game to the Cubs doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 23, 2020, 07:23:45 pm
Meaningless?

Not that I disagree with your larger point.  They're good, and will be for a while.  And we certainly did our bit to help.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 23, 2020, 07:51:20 pm
And the NL Cy Young frontrunner.

He hasn't pitched much but Bauer's been even more dominant. That would be the one guy in the way.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 23, 2020, 09:50:43 pm
The White Sox look really, really good.  A lot of good young talent on that roster, both bats and pitching.  Obviously the Cubs playing central teams haven't faced a lot of excellent teams, but the Sox seem easily the most talented that the Cubs have faced thus far.  They look likely to be a contender for a while. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 23, 2020, 11:25:00 pm
You'd sure as hell take their 40-man and top 30 prospects over ours right now - even without factoring payroll.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 24, 2020, 08:03:26 am
Imagine if they hadn’t traded for Shields...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 24, 2020, 08:09:16 am
Imagine if they hadn’t traded for Shields...

No kidding, right? 

That looks about as good as the Atlanta Hawks trading Luka Doncic.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 24, 2020, 08:19:33 am
Is it really? 

I’d have to really look at it position by position at the majors, but my guess is I’d lean Cubs. Especially in the starting rotation.

In the minors if you take away guys in the majors it breaks down to Vaughn, Crochet, Jared Kelly vs Davis, Marquez, Amaya, Howard. That would be a strong lean to the Cubs.   
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 24, 2020, 08:59:09 am
No kidding, right? 

That looks about as good as the Atlanta Hawks trading Luka Doncic.

I like Jaren and all, but man...one pick away...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 24, 2020, 10:02:34 am
Sharma analyzes the 2020 Cubs' offense.

https://theathletic.com/2016204/2020/08/23/dissecting-the-cubs-offensive-shortcomings-and-how-they-can-bounce-back/
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on August 24, 2020, 10:09:51 am
Is it really? 

I’d have to really look at it position by position at the majors, but my guess is I’d lean Cubs. Especially in the starting rotation.

In the minors if you take away guys in the majors it breaks down to Vaughn, Crochet, Jared Kelly vs Davis, Marquez, Amaya, Howard. That would be a strong lean to the Cubs.

Wsox probably the position by position battle... except maybe 2b and SS almost across the board.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 24, 2020, 12:08:50 pm
Wsox probably the position by position battle... except maybe 2b and SS almost across the board.

I think it is pretty close and don't have super strong feelings.  The White Sox seem to be a more extreme version of the Cubs offense without walks and worse defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: method on August 24, 2020, 01:16:55 pm
You should watch more sox games...

defense is a lot better... but i do wish yolmer was still around. Grandal has been great upgrade

Pitching wise, Gio/Dallas K/Cease and the bullpen are all doing well.  Need another starter, but the team looks really good right now. Luis is helping resolve some long standing issues in CF.

White sox have a .807 team OPS through 29 games... 2nd behind yanks at .819, Cubs come in sat 18 .728.

Thats a pretty big difference. Sox #2 in baseball now in HRs granted they hit like 20% of their season total this past weekend.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 24, 2020, 01:24:34 pm
"  Need another starter, but the team looks really good right now"

Like Quintana back?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 24, 2020, 01:40:18 pm
You should watch more sox games...

Their new play-by-play guy isn't much of an improvement over Hawk Harrelson.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 24, 2020, 01:51:32 pm
An orangutan wearing a cowboy hat would be an improvement over Hawk Harrelson.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 24, 2020, 01:58:10 pm
You should watch more sox games...

defense is a lot better... but i do wish yolmer was still around. Grandal has been great upgrade

Pitching wise, Gio/Dallas K/Cease and the bullpen are all doing well.  Need another starter, but the team looks really good right now. Luis is helping resolve some long standing issues in CF.

White sox have a .807 team OPS through 29 games... 2nd behind yanks at .819, Cubs come in sat 18 .728.

Thats a pretty big difference. Sox #2 in baseball now in HRs granted they hit like 20% of their season total this past weekend.

27th in BB%
25th worst K%
11th in OBP
3rd in BABIP
1st in FB/HR%
8th in Exit Velocity
27th in Lauch Angle

This has been the White Sox at their best and the Cubs at their worst.  The White Sox have hit more home runs in 1 week than some teams have for the season so that will goose their OPS.  Their defense is middle of the pack as a team. 

Cease's stats under the hood are horrible.
Giolito turned it around, but he's still walking a lot.
Keuchel's K% as plumted.  Live by BABIP die by BABIP.
Gio has thrown 17 innings and is almost walking 5/9.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 24, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNTTnTWAAE3d8F?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 24, 2020, 02:53:56 pm
Ex-Cub Jeimer Candelario batting clean-up for Tigers tonight.

Will also see ex-Cub Isaac Paredes in this series.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 24, 2020, 03:11:39 pm
I'm just thankful that Chris Berman has retired, and we are not subjected to "Paredes by the Dashboard Light" or "Two Tickets to Paredes".

It was bad enough hearing Steve Stone saying "Everyone knows I love a Paredes" the other day...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 24, 2020, 05:47:04 pm
Good lord, Berman ruins the pace of Gunsmoke because he’s on every commercial break with that stupid Car Shield ad. Blech. Smoke break for sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 24, 2020, 06:47:20 pm
Mize looks all sweaty. But heck, just load the bases against the Cubs and you’ll get out of the inning.  Mills has some movement tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 24, 2020, 07:10:41 pm
Is the MLB.com box score correct?  It shows the Cubs with 9 LOBs after 3 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 24, 2020, 07:30:41 pm
Reliever Alexander #70 comes in, and Rizzo promptly greets him with a single to score Hoerner making it 4-1, then Javy launches a homer to the right-center-field gap to make it 6-1.  Wow; it didn't look like he got all of that pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 24, 2020, 07:31:01 pm
Baez!  Seems to me Hoerner has very good baseball instincts.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 24, 2020, 07:39:53 pm
Hoerner has been taught the game very well.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 24, 2020, 08:02:53 pm
Is the MLB.com box score correct?  It shows the Cubs with 9 LOBs after 3 innings.

5 LOB after three. 8 LOB after five.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 24, 2020, 08:05:17 pm
That board behind home plate is weird.  Looks like there's a football game on and they're ready for kickoff.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 24, 2020, 08:06:46 pm
Is the MLB.com box score correct?  It shows the Cubs with 9 LOBs after 3 innings.

The LOB count doesn't actually represent team LOB on MLB's box scores. They are counted per batter. So if Happ leads off with a single then Rizzo Ks, that's one LOB. If Baez and Schwarber follow with groundouts, those count as LOBs too--so it would show 3 LOB total.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 24, 2020, 08:48:36 pm
ESPN box scores are more old school. That stupid stat of LOB is confusing. Also MLB stats don’t give you pitch counts and tons of other things you are looking for. Bypass MLB for ESPN for game stats.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 24, 2020, 08:50:30 pm
Tepera has been dominant. He's not getting talked about a lot, but he should probably be pitching more in high leverage situations.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 24, 2020, 08:57:10 pm
Heyward with 2 nice oppo doubles tonight...both balls well struck...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 24, 2020, 08:57:45 pm
Baez again.  Maybe he is becoming unbroken. Isn’t it odd. Looks like Kimbrel in bottom 9 with at least a 4 run lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 24, 2020, 09:04:00 pm
Is Bote the only guy who can hit with the bases loaded?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 24, 2020, 09:20:49 pm
That was the 11,000th win in franchise history.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 24, 2020, 10:04:55 pm
Nothing like a spell against a bad team to wake up the offense.

BR, apparently Tepera has been making hay with the cutter.  I haven't had much chance to see him pitch but with this sort of bullpen, if a guy isn't sucking I think you inevitably ride him like a rented mule unless and until he starts to.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 24, 2020, 10:14:15 pm
https://youtu.be/-TM2NZ9eQUM
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 25, 2020, 03:02:31 pm
The Tigers lineup has been posted for more than an hour.  There must be something holding up the Cub's announcement.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgSStQhX0AYQ2h8?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 25, 2020, 03:13:52 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgSrxzbWoAI2f6Z?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 25, 2020, 03:30:12 pm
Mills was good last night, as he has been in all but the one bad start.  But in two of those he's given up HR in last inning.  Maddon would have lock him into a low-innings, low-pitch-count role.  I wonder if Ross will get to that point pretty soon; take 5 or maybe six innings, and don't try too hard to extend him beyond that? 

Hoping Chatwood is sharp tonight.  Feel like he's the key rotation guy, if he can be healthy and pitch well as 3rd starter.  If he can be excellent, like his first couple of starts, the rotation has a chance to do well in playoffs.  If Darvish and Chatwood can give some really-good-stuff starts, Hendricks can do his thing, that could be a good front three.  Mills is usually good if you don't extend him too long.  Lester, he's going to get bombed sometimes, but will get some veteran craftsman OK games, too, probably. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 25, 2020, 06:41:29 pm
Chatwood is back!

The back strain and control issues could be tied to follow-through and finishing, but he looks okay. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 25, 2020, 06:53:36 pm
A rehab assignment in Des Moines might have been useful for Tyler Chatwood.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 25, 2020, 06:54:36 pm
Four walks for Chatwood and he's still in the 2nd inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 25, 2020, 06:59:59 pm
Chatwood out, Underwood in, looking for good Wood.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 25, 2020, 07:05:47 pm
He’s still on the mound which is ridiculous. 97 pitches? Bring in Bryant as pitcher, bring in that fellow who stole the foul ball from Alou, bring in Harry Carey’s wife Dutchie, or whatever her name is, bring in Schwarber as pitcher!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 25, 2020, 07:17:38 pm
Cy Turnbull is 1-13 at home.  One and thirteen. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 25, 2020, 07:19:47 pm
Tigers will need more runs to win tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 25, 2020, 08:26:56 pm
Chatwood looking like this is pretty scary.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 25, 2020, 08:44:03 pm
Not that they needed it, but Schoop just hit a slam off Sadler.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 25, 2020, 09:50:40 pm
Willson hits a homer to break up the shutout, but there's no seven-run homer in baseball.

Get 'em tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 25, 2020, 10:53:47 pm
Wednesday’s game is #30 on the season—halfway point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 26, 2020, 02:31:41 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgXr8xlWAAEoXyr?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 26, 2020, 05:53:43 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  9m
Heyward scratched from lineup. Not injury-related, spoke to Ross. New lineup: Happ RF, Rizzo 1b, Baez SS, Schwarber LF, Contreras C, Kipnis 2B, Bote 3B, Hoerner 2B, Almora CF, Lester P

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgYVdv6XsAAZ0oH?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Non-injury = protest?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 26, 2020, 05:55:53 pm
Heyward is sitting out today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 26, 2020, 06:05:46 pm
Where's Heyward?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 26, 2020, 06:11:12 pm
Angel Hernandez calls balls and strikes (or, at least, tries to)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 26, 2020, 06:28:06 pm
Angel Hernandez calls balls and strikes (or, at least, tries to)

JD - a lot of grievances being filed on ball/strike calls
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 26, 2020, 06:30:51 pm
Does Wilson get framing points for that inning, or are we throwing Hernandez games out as outliers?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 26, 2020, 07:01:37 pm
Does Wilson get framing points for that inning, or are we throwing Hernandez games out as outliers?

Considering making a pitch look more like a ball makes Hernandez more likely to call it a strike, he's the perfect complement to Contreras framing-wise.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 26, 2020, 07:24:40 pm
By STATcast Willson is the second best catcher at framing this year. Fangraphs has him tied for 6th.  Baseball prospectus has him 3rd.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 26, 2020, 07:31:04 pm
Yeah, I’ve seen the stats.  Sample size matters, especially with a hard to measure quality like this.  He certainly still doesn’t pass the eye test.  But if the numbers hold up through 60 games, maybe there’s something to it.  At least he’s apparently been putting in the effort.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 26, 2020, 07:32:42 pm
Here we go, Lester should retire.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 26, 2020, 07:34:54 pm
Well, maybe not.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 26, 2020, 07:40:15 pm
I think Willson's framing has improved quite a bit.  I'd say he's no worse than average at this point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 26, 2020, 07:47:02 pm
Yeah, I’ve seen the stats.  Sample size matters, especially with a hard to measure quality like this.  He certainly still doesn’t pass the eye test.  But if the numbers hold up through 60 games, maybe there’s something to it.  At least he’s apparently been putting in the effort.

Framing stabilizes very quickly. At 3 weeks BP’s stat correlation is around 0.81 to 162 games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 26, 2020, 08:15:54 pm
Wick weak the last two outing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on August 26, 2020, 08:52:45 pm
He’s not already burned out is he?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 26, 2020, 09:30:02 pm
Cubs trying for a rare 9th-inning rally have two runs across and the tying runs on with nobody out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 26, 2020, 09:32:29 pm
Sac fly Rizzo makes it a 1-run game, but the tying run stays at 1st.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 26, 2020, 10:05:31 pm
Kimbrel is certainly better (no hits in his last 5 outings, though 4 walks - with 11 Ks).  But on the whole, this bullpen is predictably execrable.  Fringe guys like Tepera or Sadler may have a nice couple of weeks, but they almost invariably return to AAAA form.  One or two at the back end of a bullpen is fine - when they're your mainstays, you're screwed. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 26, 2020, 10:27:07 pm
https://youtu.be/VfdKX2p_0rM
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 26, 2020, 10:29:24 pm
Bullpen needs some help going forward.

But, from August 1 thru tonight’s game, Cubs bullpen is #6 in NL bullpen ERA for August. Not great, but not awful either. July was terrible.

Ryan has looked better last couple of outings, ditto Kimbrel. Wick has gone the other way. Lots of NL clubs are struggling with bullpens.

Tonight, Contreras misplay on foul popup cost Cub a bunch of runs. Second botched popup by Cubs in this series.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 26, 2020, 10:43:28 pm
A good example of how stupid the stat is, tonight Wick got a Hold for his work.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 28, 2020, 01:50:18 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egh0niOXgAA6t6E?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 28, 2020, 05:19:16 pm
Hoerner goes three for three with a walk on Wednesday, why isn’t he in the lineup tonight? I don’t get it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 28, 2020, 06:13:30 pm
1-0 on a homer by Anthony Rizzo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 28, 2020, 06:18:13 pm
2-0 on a blast by Kyle Schwarber.

Same umpiring crew as the series in Detroit.  Angel Hernandez is at third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 28, 2020, 06:45:48 pm
Doesn't matter than Suarez has been abysmal; he sees the Cubs, he celebrates.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 28, 2020, 06:51:04 pm
24 pitches thru 2 for Hendricks, that is acceptable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 28, 2020, 07:18:21 pm
This is a big game for the Cubs but they look flat yet again. It's hard to escape the conclusion that they are mediocre.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 28, 2020, 07:30:29 pm
Suarez in the middle of everything as the Reds take the lead. He had a .648 OPS coming in.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 28, 2020, 07:44:36 pm
Sickening.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 28, 2020, 07:45:35 pm
Suarez drives in two more.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 28, 2020, 07:56:12 pm
Can Hoerner play shortstop? The present shortstop can’t hit and is an error machine. What about Kipnis, can he play short?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 28, 2020, 08:04:28 pm
The unicorn is nothing now but a petrified piece of yellow corn. Got a big LOSER written on his husk.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 28, 2020, 09:00:02 pm
In the ninth inning, Javy swung at a pitch that was in the dirt in the opposite batter's box.

And now he strikes out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 28, 2020, 09:12:38 pm
Heyward and Contreras homer in the 9th but the Cubs lose 6-5 anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 28, 2020, 09:57:32 pm
https://youtu.be/4xehGpRPTT4
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 28, 2020, 10:06:49 pm
#NOTTHATGOOD
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 12:09:20 am
Neifi Perez would be an upgrade on Javy right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 29, 2020, 12:16:37 am
At least those of you who live in the Reds broadcast area did not have to put up with Thom Brennaman tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 29, 2020, 08:14:30 am
Baez hitting-wise is looking kind of reminiscent of his 2014 rookie year.  Seems to be really guessing.  I didn't see yesterday's 4-K game, but I think Wednesday, he had a couple of AB's where he was taking monster HR hacks at fastballs missing by 2-feet high-and-inside.  OBP of .254, that's not quite the .229 of 2014.  K-rate over 34%, still way better than the 41% of 2014.

Hard to have a lot of flare and el-mago on the bases when you're never on base. 

Man, it's a tough game, when a player with the history and accomplishments that Baez has gets into a slump like this; the mind has to go to dark places.  He just looks totally helpless, more beaten down than I recall him ever looking.  Proud competitor, but he doesn't even look surprised after each terrible swing.  A lot of them seem to miss the ball not by a millimeter but often by a foot or more.  Really deep funk for that poor guy. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 29, 2020, 11:26:57 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgmbAXDWsAEO4wS?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 11:38:03 am
Baez hitting-wise is looking kind of reminiscent of his 2014 rookie year.  Seems to be really guessing.  I didn't see yesterday's 4-K game, but I think Wednesday, he had a couple of AB's where he was taking monster HR hacks at fastballs missing by 2-feet high-and-inside.  OBP of .254, that's not quite the .229 of 2014.  K-rate over 34%, still way better than the 41% of 2014.

Hard to have a lot of flare and el-mago on the bases when you're never on base. 

Man, it's a tough game, when a player with the history and accomplishments that Baez has gets into a slump like this; the mind has to go to dark places.  He just looks totally helpless, more beaten down than I recall him ever looking.  Proud competitor, but he doesn't even look surprised after each terrible swing.  A lot of them seem to miss the ball not by a millimeter but often by a foot or more.  Really deep funk for that poor guy. 
I understand that Baez feeds off the crowd and he needs adrenaline to function.  What I don't understand is why he is still batting third in the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 12:44:46 pm
I don’t understand why any pitcher ever throws him a strike.

His last AB last night...those sliders were 56 footers off the plate outside. He couldn’t have hit them with a boat oar. Everyone knew what was coming except him...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 12:46:11 pm
And the approach hasn’t changed a bit...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 04:09:05 pm
RIZZO!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 04:12:01 pm
LOL, even when behind in the count 3-1, Bauer is throwing sliders low and away to Baez, knowing he won’t take...

Then he gets him looking at a 95 FB outer half...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 29, 2020, 04:33:47 pm
I know Rizzo's strong and that GAB is a home run paradise, but really shouldn't be able to hit a ball 400 feet essentially one-handed. Anyone gonna check these balls?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 29, 2020, 04:36:26 pm
Kicks man, the Cubs Live on the internet will tell you every pitch type and speed, 86.3 MPH Sinker for example. On one of Yu’s pitches he befuddles the computer - no name of pitch or speed.  Maybe that was his new pitch the Supreme.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on August 29, 2020, 05:40:19 pm
That was an unconventional Double Play....
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 05:51:36 pm
Kipnis also needs a break.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 29, 2020, 06:00:34 pm
3-0

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 29, 2020, 06:01:24 pm
Darvish not really at his best and still didn't give up a run: 6-7-0-0-2-8
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 29, 2020, 06:01:50 pm
A much needed win.  Thank Yu.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 29, 2020, 06:05:28 pm
Easy Peasy, as WMLJ would say. Let’s get a bite to eat, take a breather, and take two!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 29, 2020, 06:22:25 pm
Javy gets a break

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egn8_a1XsAEfO-k?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 29, 2020, 06:43:21 pm
https://youtu.be/Mo-VxoO2oW4
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 29, 2020, 06:49:16 pm
Happ hts the shortest possible homer to lead off the game - just over the fence, just inside the foul pole
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 29, 2020, 07:22:02 pm
Happ hts the shortest possible homer to lead off the game - just over the fence, just inside the foul pole

I once saw Kent Hrbek (I think) hit one off the foul pole in the exact same spot in Fenway Park about two decades ago.

It was the shortest possible out-of-the-park homer in the major leagues, because it's only 302 feet down the line there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 08:33:46 pm
Darvish is the true definition of a stopper.  Every time we have a losing streak he breaks it (and he beat his competition for the Cy Young today to boot).

Happ is not a CF, but his bat certainly looks like it's for real.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 08:42:09 pm
Is the Liberty Insurance caricature commercial annoying or what?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 08:42:40 pm
What happened with the two Reds getting ejected?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 08:44:35 pm
Once upon a time you'd 100% sacrifice here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 08:45:49 pm
Potty mouths
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 08:46:34 pm
Thornburg does not have great control.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 08:50:47 pm
Bases loaded=kiss of death
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 08:53:18 pm
Winker and Votto came flying out of the dugout screaming when Rizzo started barking at David Bell...they were tossed pretty much immediately.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 08:54:33 pm
Almora looks like Baez at the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 08:54:51 pm
Almora has been so bad for so long, yet he still keeps getting ABs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 08:57:51 pm
Great at-bat by Happ.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 29, 2020, 08:58:51 pm
I think Almora's career with the Cubs is done in the next two days. They're going to trade for a reliever and throw him in as a guy who might benefit from a change of scenery to help offset the salary they take on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:01:40 pm
We can only hope.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 09:02:39 pm
I wonder if there is another player who has had their offensive capabilities adversely affected by the shift as much as Schwarber?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:13:50 pm
That was a better inning for Wick.

Kimbrel to close it?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 29, 2020, 09:15:32 pm
Heck No!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:18:04 pm
Yep, Kimbrel vs. Castellanos with the game on the line coming up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 09:21:32 pm
Wick has been cursed with bleeders and dinks lately.  I was fearful the way that inning started out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 29, 2020, 09:27:59 pm
Cmon Ross, make the change Now!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:28:18 pm
Is this looking at SS before every delivery a new thing?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:34:16 pm
Thank you for that veeery wide strike.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 29, 2020, 09:35:51 pm
Looks like Kimbrel sucks again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 09:36:28 pm
Just walk him...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 09:36:39 pm
Thank you
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:40:18 pm
Man, you gotta stop that one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 29, 2020, 09:40:19 pm
Oh that egg salad sandwich has done backed up on me and I feel very sick to my stomach and there’s no no more whiskey left and . . .
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 29, 2020, 09:41:32 pm
This team just isn't very good. Not a surprise, since they decided to not change anything after being pretty mediocre the last two years.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 09:41:40 pm
Not sure how that got thru, he was in position to block it...

Bad Kimbrel tonight...hate to see it...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on August 29, 2020, 09:43:45 pm
Why is Kimbrel still on this  team?   Trading deadline for a few used jock straps...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on August 29, 2020, 09:45:21 pm
Oh that egg salad sandwich has done backed up on me and I feel very sick to my stomach and there’s no no more whiskey left and . . .
Try that omezole stuff...works wonders
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 29, 2020, 09:48:40 pm
Not sure how that got thru, he was in position to block it...

Bad Kimbrel tonight...hate to see it...

Should be a passed ball for sure.  Not that it really matters.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on August 29, 2020, 09:50:46 pm
The ball four call on the second walk was terrible.  It was belt-high and right down the middle.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 29, 2020, 10:16:32 pm
Wow...Danny Graves is a bigger douche than Thom Brennaman ever was, as far as thoughts on the Cubs goes...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on August 29, 2020, 10:28:35 pm
The ball four call on the second walk was terrible.  It was belt-high and right down the middle.
The key words there are "second walk"...WTF??
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 29, 2020, 10:36:56 pm
Keep Kimbrel, DFA Wick.  Any guy who can't go more than one inning forcing management to bring po' Kimbrel in, needs to be kicked off the team.  And Atzolay...a starter, can't go more than one inning.  Boot these guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 29, 2020, 10:42:31 pm
Ross can never use him again in the 9th. Bring Kimbrell  in to pitch 4 innings tomorrow after Chatwood walks 8 batters and it’s 6 - 1 in the second. In fact let him pitch 7 innings and let him suffer and sweat. Let him pitch from now until doomsday when the game is not on the line.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 29, 2020, 11:58:02 pm
Kimbrel threw 3 wild pitches and almost a 4th on the ball that nearly hit Payton. Not sure why Contreras is to blame.

At least Dave Smith had the excuse of an 86 mph fastball. Kimbrel was hitting 99 tonight and still stinks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 30, 2020, 12:15:32 am
https://youtu.be/4MPMfAwNqgg
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 30, 2020, 12:43:51 am
Kimbrel threw 3 wild pitches and almost a 4th on the ball that nearly hit Payton. Not sure why Contreras is to blame.

At least Dave Smith had the excuse of an 86 mph fastball. Kimbrel was hitting 99 tonight and still stinks.

Kimbrel is to blame for the bad pitches.  Contreras is to blame for letting an easy one past him for the winning run.  Not sure why you think those things are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 30, 2020, 01:43:30 am
Kimbrel is to blame for the bad pitches.  Contreras is to blame for letting an easy one past him for the winning run.  Not sure why you think those things are mutually exclusive.

I wouldn't label that ball as easy as it hit the ground and flattened out. When that happens a catcher is pretty fortunate to have it hit him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 30, 2020, 09:39:43 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgrMn7tXsAAEfZt?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 30, 2020, 12:56:41 pm
No walks (!), 1 hit, no runs, 29 pitches thru 2 for Chatwood.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 30, 2020, 01:04:05 pm
Chatwood out of the game after spiking two straight pitches...he motioned to the dugout immediately after the second one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 30, 2020, 01:08:02 pm
Injury?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 30, 2020, 01:16:07 pm
Assume so...

Schwarber crushes a 2-0 pitch...1-0 Cubs in the 4th
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 30, 2020, 01:18:12 pm
Heyward follows with a line drive HR...2-0
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 30, 2020, 01:23:19 pm
Why Martinez?  Cards traded him to AL because there was no position for him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 30, 2020, 01:29:31 pm
Rea out Quintana in. Had to get Q warmed up?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 30, 2020, 01:45:58 pm
This is going to be interesting with Quintana. Happ gives him a 4 run lead with a 2 run dinger.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 30, 2020, 01:48:46 pm
Right elbow discomfort for Chatwood, per the Reds telecast...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 30, 2020, 01:56:40 pm
Raise your hand if you thought Chatwood would last the season in terms of health or performance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 30, 2020, 02:04:12 pm
Another 12 runs and we can give Kimbrel an out of two.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on August 30, 2020, 02:32:59 pm
I’m hoping Q can finish the game. He looks good on the MLB play by play. When the computer image of Schwarber comes up they show his big feet on the computer image. Makes me chuckle.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 30, 2020, 02:54:24 pm
Nice play by Hoerner on a liner with the bases loaded.  Kept a couple of runs (at least) off the board.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 30, 2020, 03:27:09 pm
Schwarber slam.

Cubs have 8 hits, 6 of them homers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 30, 2020, 03:27:24 pm
Wow! Was there a measurement on Schwarber’s slam?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 30, 2020, 03:27:31 pm
113.3 EV on Schwarber’s grand slam, according to Statcast.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robert L on August 30, 2020, 03:27:56 pm
Wow! Was there a measurement on Schwarber’s slam?
not yet
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on August 30, 2020, 03:28:13 pm
Why Martinez?  Cards traded him to AL because there was no position for him.

Cubs need someone to hit lefties in the worse way. Since the NL has a DH, his glove plays just fine.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 30, 2020, 03:28:35 pm
Wow! Was there a measurement on Schwarber’s slam?

444
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on August 30, 2020, 03:30:49 pm
Schwarber slam.

Cubs have 8 hits, 6 of them homers.

2 each by Happ, Heyward and Schwarber.  Who needs Bryant and Baez anyway?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 30, 2020, 03:34:59 pm
Heyward slash line now at .286-402-560
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 30, 2020, 03:37:06 pm
Cubs need someone to hit lefties in the worse way. Since the NL has a DH, his glove plays just fine.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE.  The Cubs have two dozen guys that can hit lefties in the worst way.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on August 30, 2020, 03:42:23 pm
Schwarber is the only player to have hit 113 EV twice this season.

444 seems light...that ball was screaming...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on August 30, 2020, 04:22:26 pm
https://youtu.be/gMdi4azfSIg
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 30, 2020, 04:25:25 pm
Anyone know the last time the Cubs had three guys with multiple HRs in the same game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 30, 2020, 05:02:40 pm
Anyone know the last time the Cubs had three guys with multiple HRs in the same game?

I believe it was August 30, 2020.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on August 30, 2020, 06:14:08 pm
Anyone know the last time the Cubs had three guys with multiple HRs in the same game?

Not sure about that, but I did see this:

The #Cubs become the first team in MLB history to have all three starting outfielders hit two homers in the same game!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on August 30, 2020, 06:18:04 pm
It's really nice to see Heyward hitting so well. If only Baez would wake up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on August 30, 2020, 06:39:22 pm
Baez, Contreras, Schwarber, Rizzo.....

Maybe even Bryant could chip in at some point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 30, 2020, 06:58:48 pm
Not sure about that, but I did see this:

The #Cubs become the first team in MLB history to have all three starting outfielders hit two homers in the same game!

One of the things I love about baseball is that it's such a quirky game than even now, after well over a century of major league play, shlt still happens for the first time.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on August 30, 2020, 07:03:21 pm
Kind of 21st century baseball.  11 runs scored, all of them via HR. 

Very disappointed for poor Chatwood.  Nice guy, he's worked hard, a guy who arguably might have had Blass but came back, I would have so enjoyed a happy-ending personal success story for him, and for the team.  Really unfortunate if a guy like that now has a shot elbow. 

Unfortunate for playoff hopes, too.  I think a healthy Chatwood at his best can still beat good teams.  Lester and Q, I don't think they stack up well as 3rd and 4th starters in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 30, 2020, 07:26:00 pm
I kind of wish we were selling, TBH.  This team has no shot in the postseason.  But I guess if you're going to be playing you have an obligation to go for it.  I just don't want them to give up anybody with real value beyond this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 30, 2020, 07:31:15 pm
It's really nice to see Heyward hitting so well. If only Baez would wake up.

He will - when Heyward stops hitting.  Are you new to Cubdom?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 30, 2020, 07:32:54 pm
The idea is to stockpile as many good hitters as possible so that when a couple are slumping, a few others are hot.  That's just how baseball works.  The problem the Cubs have is that too many of their hitters have the same flaws.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 30, 2020, 07:33:17 pm
CBS says Q got the W today.  Announcers and I thought it would be Rae.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on August 30, 2020, 07:33:58 pm
I kind of wish we were selling, TBH.  This team has no shot in the postseason.  But I guess if you're going to be playing you have an obligation to go for it.  I just don't want them to give up anybody with real value beyond this season.

I would still like to see them trade Bryant, if they can get anything substantial for him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on August 30, 2020, 07:43:02 pm
I would still like to see them trade Bryant, if they can get anything substantial for him.

I think that ship has sailed.  MLB's handling of the grievance really screwed us over.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 30, 2020, 10:41:17 pm
CBS says Q got the W today.  Announcers and I thought it would be Rae.

I don't believe that this is a case of official scorer discretion.

Rae came into a scoreless game, finished the inning with the game still scoreless, and Cubs took the lead top of the next inning and never relinquished the lead.

So, Rae has to be the winner. 

If Rae came into the game with the Cubs already leading, then there would be discretion as the SP of course did not go 5 innings.  In those circumstances, seems like Q likely would have gotten the win.  But, those were not the circumstances.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 30, 2020, 10:52:34 pm
Exactly what the three of us said. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on August 30, 2020, 10:54:02 pm
Who cares? Pitching wins are stupid and don't mean anything anymore (except in fantasy baseball).

Quintana was the best Cubs pitcher today. Good for him if he gets credit with an irrelevant metric that lost meaning a long time ago. But if he doesn't get that credit, he was still just as good today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 30, 2020, 11:15:26 pm
Who cares? Pitching wins are stupid and don't mean anything anymore (except in fantasy baseball).

Quintana was the best Cubs pitcher today. Good for him if he gets credit with an irrelevant metric that lost meaning a long time ago. But if he doesn't get that credit, he was still just as good today.
Since I have Quintana in Fantasy, I care, damb it, br.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on August 31, 2020, 12:17:01 am
Rea got the win, not Quintana.  CBS is incorrect.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on August 31, 2020, 09:35:06 am
Good.  The world can spin again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 01, 2020, 03:13:38 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2u6GPXgAEv6hv?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 01, 2020, 03:19:46 pm
I suggested that maybe Baez needed to be dropped down in the order, but that really wasn't exactly what I meant.  Is Rossy watching the same games as we are?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 01, 2020, 03:37:39 pm
I suggested that maybe Baez needed to be dropped down in the order, but that really wasn't exactly what I meant.  Is Rossy watching the same games as we are?
Javier Baez is 2-15 vs Chad Kuhl.  But the hits are a homer and a double.

Not a lot of ABs but
Kris Bryant           8-20
Willson Contreras  5-8
Jaon Heyward       8-16
Anthony Rizzo       7-20
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 01, 2020, 05:23:15 pm
Ross probably figures Baez is due to bust out and that it won't help to undermine his confidence by dropping him down further in the order.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 05:50:38 pm
The Cubs have no chance to do anything in the postseason unless Javy goes on a tear anyway, so you may as well sell out trying to get his head straightened out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 06:20:29 pm
Leadoff homer for Happ. Bryant finally hit a ball really hard but for an out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 07:03:17 pm
Bryant grounds out with the bases loaded in the 2nd. That's more like it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 07:14:24 pm
Cubs lead 2-1 at the end of three.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 07:19:25 pm
Someone needs to tell Ross you never use Martinez against a RHP.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 07:21:56 pm
Or against anyone.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 07:52:11 pm
Bryant comes in on a Javy hit, and Schwarber follows that with a two-run homer.  Cubs lead, 6-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 01, 2020, 07:54:40 pm
Martinez looks like a DP machine.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 08:18:09 pm
Lester being tattooed now. 6-1 lead almost gone.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 08:20:34 pm
Ke'Bryan Hayes, son of Phillies favorite Charlie Hayes, gets his first major league hit and the Pirates get a sixth run.  A corpulent bat boy comes out to get the ball for Ke'Bryan.

And now another hit just barely in front of Heyward pulls the Pirates to within 6-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 08:27:51 pm
Pirates keep the line moving and get a fourth run; now Happ makes a fantastic diving catch to get the second out, turning what looked like an extra-base hit into a sacrifice fly.

A grounder to first ends the inning, but the lead is trimmed to 6-5.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 01, 2020, 08:36:36 pm
Dev, what was the name again of the stuff that keeps it all from coming back up? I can feel something gurgling.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 08:56:35 pm
Or against anyone.

Yeah, I want no part of that career .946 OPS against lefties.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 08:59:34 pm
Kyle Ryan benefits from a terrible strike call; several inches below the batter's knees.

He then throws a great pitch that paints the outside corner for strike three.

What is with these umpires and their love for super-low strikes (and their reluctance to call anything above the belt a strike)?

And don't even get me started on how they get influenced by sneaky catchers who move their gloves.  The whole "catcher framing" thing is like soccer and basketball players being good at fooling the referees into thinking they were fouled.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 09:01:11 pm
Rea hasn't pitched in any of the games I've been able to watch, but he seems almost serviceable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 09:03:38 pm
Winkler?  Really? 

Would have thought it'd be Wick to Jeffress.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Boris From Downunder on September 01, 2020, 09:07:40 pm
Winkler? Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 09:09:10 pm
I'll give Ross the benefit of the doubt and say he put Winkler out there because he didn't want to burn Wick when it was about to start raining.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 09:33:36 pm
Yeah, I want no part of that career .946 OPS against lefties.

That was as a Cardinal. Good luck getting that magic to translate. Also, he's a bad defender.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 09:35:06 pm
Can't have bad defenders DH-ing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 09:52:37 pm
Well that's true.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 01, 2020, 09:54:43 pm
10:10 restart...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:11:00 pm
Rain delay is over; we're in the bottom of the eighth, so the Pirates will have six outs to add runs versus our three outs with which to add insurance.

Winkler pitching.  Let's shut them down and hold on for the win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:12:06 pm
And Ke'Bryan has his first major league home run.  Tied 6-6.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 01, 2020, 10:13:47 pm
I'll give Ross the benefit of the doubt and say he put Winkler out there because he didn't want to burn Wick when it was about to start raining.
How about now?


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 01, 2020, 10:14:31 pm
Kid in his first ML game ties it in the 8th with a homer.

I mean, no, the comparison is way too easy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 01, 2020, 10:18:54 pm
And now it’s pouring harder than before...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:19:16 pm
Javy lets an infield pop-up drop next to him so that he can force the runner at first and have Osuna on the basepaths instead of Frazier.

And the Pirates bring a pinch runner in as the Cubs bring Wick in to pitch.

Rain really coming down now.  Let's get this third out without the ball slipping from anyone's hands.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:21:43 pm
Heyward drifts into center field to grab Cole Tucker's fly ball, and the inning is over.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 01, 2020, 10:27:27 pm
If Ross announced Kimbrel for the 9th, we can all go to bed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:29:04 pm
Bryant bangs a hit off Rodriguez' body; Ke'Bryan snags it and almost throws him out, but he's safe.

Rizzo up with one out and a runner on first.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:32:02 pm
Baseballs are pinballing all over the place here; a liner from Rizzo bounces off the pitcher and the second baseman catches it for the out; he throws it to first to try to double Bryant off and he hits Bryant in the back with it, enabling Bryant to get to second.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:33:36 pm
Javy grounds to Hayes, who throws home even though there are two outs, and Bryant is tagged to end the inning.

On to the bottom of the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:40:27 pm
Leadoff double for Newman to the deep gap in left-center.

Now an intentional walk to set up a force.  Still nobody out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:41:27 pm
Nice vertical action from Wick to get Stallings to swing and miss.

One out, and newcomer Josh Osich is coming in to pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 01, 2020, 10:48:40 pm
Nice job by Osich to escape the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Boris From Downunder on September 01, 2020, 10:49:24 pm
Go the Ostrich!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 10:58:21 pm
Ghost runner Javy moves to third on a fielder's choice from Contreras as the second baseman throws home but can't get anyone out.

Heyward hits a sacrifice fly to bring Baez home; 7-6.

Now a single to right and the Cubs have first and third with two outs.  Let's get some insurance!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 11:00:46 pm
Comebacker from Hoerner ends the inning.

Can we hang on?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:07:22 pm
Gods, I hate this stupid 2nd base rule.  Such a travesty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 11:09:27 pm
Two infield groundouts and the Pirates have tied the score.

What a joke this system is.  Just do it the Japanese way and have ties if you don't want to have long extra-inning games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:10:56 pm
Two infield groundouts and the Pirates have tied the score.

What a joke this system is.  Just do it the Japanese way and have ties if you don't want to have long extra-inning games.

Absolutely.  It doesn't even make any damn sense on the face of it.  Aren't both teams equally likely to score a run if they each get a runner on 2nd?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 11:13:43 pm
Javy snags one in the air and doubles the runner off, and the Cubs are out of the inning.  So glad we have this guy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 01, 2020, 11:15:07 pm
It should be possible to draw a conclusion as to whether the average length of extra inning games is less with the rule in effect.  That was the objective, no?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:16:21 pm
Not that it'd probably matter, but you can't defensively sub Schwarber out now as he's presumably the emergency catcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 01, 2020, 11:16:54 pm
If it's such a cool, fair way to do things, why not do it in the first inning, sudden death.  That way we could games over, in what, 30 minutes?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:17:10 pm
It should be possible to draw a conclusion as to whether the average length of extra inning games is less with the rule in effect.  That was the objective, no?

Yes, it should.  But even if it turns out it is, that doesn't make it a not stupid rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 11:23:11 pm
Jeffress in to hold the one-run lead in the 11th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:23:45 pm
Not that his pitching moves are ever easy to figure out, but why didn't Ross just put Jeffress in to save the game in the 10th?  Why stick with Osich?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:29:17 pm
Never in doubt.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 01, 2020, 11:29:39 pm
A good one to win there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 01, 2020, 11:31:02 pm
Lefties who can pull to right and advance baserunners are nice in the extra inning deal.   

Osich is lefty.  Leadoff hitter was lefty. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 01, 2020, 11:37:59 pm
Lefties who can pull to right and advance baserunners are nice in the extra inning deal.   

Osich is lefty.  Leadoff hitter was lefty. 

But Alford isn't.

And either way - Jeffress is the closest thing to a closer he has, Osich basically sucks and always has, and yesterday was an off day.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 01, 2020, 11:38:58 pm
Stallings has to feel pretty terrible about being struck out twice in the clutch.

(He deserves it, with that silly jersey number of his.)

Nice to see Jeffress continue to shine.  But as Len and JD said, we really need the good Kimbrel back; these extra-inning situations demand strikeouts and to have a guy who can reliably get those will make a one-run lead on the road look much less nerve-wracking.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 01, 2020, 11:43:47 pm
You guys are purists, and I admit I'm kind of gadget-curious instead. 

But I have to admit I actually enjoy the extra-inning deal.  A lot, actually.  I think they are really interesting and fun. 
-I know I'm very sucked in to watch them, because I know there will be a scoring opportunity, and a tense situation. 
-I know it's not going to keep me up till 12:30, so I can afford to stay up and let it play out.
-As len or JD mentioned, there's also lots of situation for small-ball and strategic decision-making and stuff. 
-Should I bunt?  Should I shorten and swing for contact, as opposed to big-swing for the bomb?  Should I intentionally walk the winning run?  Should I pull the infield in?  Should I get the sure out or try to get the guy at the plate? 

Sunday's game was a 21st century game:  11 runs were scored, every one of them by HR. 

I think the extra-inning landscape is kind of a refreshing change where runs without HR's can score.  No boring innings, and not like an extra inning game where everybody swings big for the walkoff. 

I also think that the scoring frequency with runner on 2nd is not prohibitively high.  I thought it was somewhere around 50%?  Which seems plenty competitive. 

Maybe I like it just because it's different, and if they do it for 20 years I won't think it's so cool then.  But for now, I think it's fun. 

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 12:19:05 am
16:47

https://youtu.be/Urma-cOtoS0
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 02, 2020, 12:29:11 am
Jeffress got 5 outs on 11 pitches, throwing only two called balls. Gotta like the economy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 02, 2020, 12:42:37 am
The sole purpose of the initial placement rule in extras is to avoid 14+ innings games in regular season and burning out your bullpen for the next three games. It’s going to do that. There is a reason why the long games end, pre-Covid, with 95% of the crowd having left.

As an added bonus, agree with Craig that it’s fun. Guessing that it will be part of next cba and be a permanent feature in 2022 onward.

Recall all the hatred for the DH by some, but now here to stay almost for certain and few don’t want it.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 12:53:03 am
The DH sucks too, and plenty of people don't want it.  But it's not as big a travesty as this rule.

If you really want to shorten games, start with the bases loaded and an OF with the ball exactly 200 feet from home plate.  The offensive team gets to pick whatever runner they like and the defensive team gets to pick whatever fielder they like, and the runner has to try and beat the throw. If he's out the inning's over, but if he's safe the offense gets to hit.  Plenty fun and exciting and just as faithful to the integrity of the game as what we're doing now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 02, 2020, 01:06:14 am
The DH sucks too, and plenty of people don't want it.  But it's not as big a travesty as this rule.

If you really want to shorten games, start with the bases loaded and an OF with the ball exactly 200 feet from home plate.  The offensive team gets to pick whatever runner they like and the defensive team gets to pick whatever fielder they like, and the runner has to try and beat the throw. If he's out the inning's over, but if he's safe the offense gets to hit.  Plenty fun and exciting and just as faithful to the integrity of the game as what we're doing now.

Who gets to define “integrity of the game”?

Things change. Even in baseball. This is an experiment that’s working for now and winning over lots of people—who have an open mind about change.

Baseball has changed so much over different eras. Even without changing rules, it changes, quite dramatically in certain ways.

Waste of time and energy to resist changes in baseball that are working and/or inevitable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 02:02:56 am
How about a home run derby?  5 per side and sudden-death if it's still tied, like a PK shootout.

Or, even better - a pie-eating contest.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 02, 2020, 02:42:29 am
When the DH came along, some contrarians said what’s next: defensive units and offensive units, like in football.

No. It’s a position player hitting instead of the pitcher hitting.

That’s all. Simple.

So, no, it’s not home run derbys, shootouts, or eating pies in extra innings.

It’s a runner at 2B as an initial placement. Simple.

It’s kinda fun and serves a purpose. It’s still in the experimental stage and remains to be seen if will be widely accepted, as the DH is now widely accepted. In any case, it’s not helpful to imagine absurd scenarios as if they are analogous to an initial 2B placement. It deserves to be examined for what it is—not for what it isn’t.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 07:47:21 am
I tend to be a purist, but under current circumstances I'm fine with 7 inning games for double headers and for placing the runner on second base in extra innings.  I would not like to see these become permanent however.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: BearHit on September 02, 2020, 08:21:58 am
Electronic strike zones is the first step to improving the game
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 08:54:26 am
Two infield groundouts and the Pirates have tied the score.

What a joke this system is.  Just do it the Japanese way and have ties if you don't want to have long extra-inning games.
The NFL has it exactly right.  No fundamental rule changes and call it a tie after an extra quarter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 09:43:23 am
For you guys who don't like it, do you not find each of those half innings actually rather fascinating and interesting, even entertaining and fun?  Or does it feel like kind of a guilty pleasure? I shouldn't actually be enjoying this, like a second bowl of ice cream? 

I guess I wasn't a proponent and thought it was going to be weird; but then after having a couple, I've just found them each to be super interesting. 

As I mentioned yesterday, I think part of it is my sense that it's a pretty fair, competitive landscape. 
-It's not like runner on 2nd is an automatic run, we sure know that from Cubs experience over the past five years. 
-With batting averages so low, the odds of actually driving the runner in with a hit isn't great. 
-With swing-for-the-fences being normal mode, it's not like many hitters are actually super skilled at situational hitting and "productive outs".  The ability to advance the runner to 3rd, or to drive a guy in from 3rd with one out, neither of those are safe or routine or easy, in a game where 1/3 of outs are K's. 
-So yeah, I think these are actually very interesting from the competition sense.
-Likewise in terms of the human element and pressure that exists in game-on-the-line scoring situations. 
-There is amplified pressure on the defense, for sure.  Trying to keep the runner from advancing to 3rd, or from scoring from 3rd, extra pressure.  Pitchers are trying to K guys and avoid productive outs; but chasing K's and swing-and-miss often links with throwing chase pitches, which in turn really pressurizes the catchers to not allow wild pitches. 
-Likewise pressure on baserunners, to try to get to 3rd, or to take a shot at scoring when there might be some risk or where perfect defensive execution might get you out.  The play last night with Baez at 3rd, who started a dash towards home and drew the throw, but was able to get back, that was a really interesting play. 
-Just lots of interesting complex scenarios tend to emerge when you start out with a scoring opportunity.  More so, perhaps than during a 1-2-3 inning.  Or when a team with a .227 team batting average realized the odds of bunching 2 or 3 non-HR hits is small.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 09:48:57 am
The NFL has it exactly right.  No fundamental rule changes and call it a tie after an extra quarter.

NFL has made changes, too.  I think their rule-change away from sudden death, and instead going to where the second team gets a shot if the first team scores only an overtime field-goal, was an excellent change. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 02, 2020, 09:54:30 am
I think the rule gives the weaker team an advantage.   Not only can they burn more pitchers because they don't have to go as deep into a game, but also they only need one hit to score and win.   The extra inning rule takes more thinking away from the manager, thus taking the human element away from the game.   By 2050, we'll be watching kids thumbing The Show for our favorite teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 10:01:10 am
To me, the free runner at second base is the equivalent of a football team getting five tries to make ten yards in overtime.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 02, 2020, 10:10:51 am
I think the rule gives the weaker team an advantage.   Not only can they burn more pitchers because they don't have to go as deep into a game, but also they only need one hit to score and win.   The extra inning rule takes more thinking away from the manager, thus taking the human element away from the game.   By 2050, we'll be watching kids thumbing The Show for our favorite teams.

Actually, with a runner starting on 2nd with no outs, the winning team can win without a hit a walk, a stolen base, a sacrifice fly or any offensive action.  Two groundouts in the infield can be plenty (sound familiar)?  That is one thing that really bothers me about the rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 02, 2020, 10:29:32 am
It's entertaining, and different...but I'm not a fan...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 10:30:35 am
I think the rule gives the weaker team an advantage.   Not only can they burn more pitchers because they don't have to go as deep into a game, but also they only need one hit to score and win.   The extra inning rule takes more thinking away from the manager, thus taking the human element away from the game.   ...
Actually, with a runner starting on 2nd with no outs, the winning team can win without a hit a walk, a stolen base, a sacrifice fly or any offensive action.  Two groundouts in the infield can be plenty (sound familiar)?  That is one thing that really bothers me about the rule.

Heh heh, maybe that's why I like it.  The Cubs with their .227 batting average can possibly score and win even without a hit!  :):)

Curt, you've managed and I haven't, so I defer to your analysis.  But to me it just seems like there's less managerial strategy in a nobody-on-base inning than when every inning starts with a scoring threat.  And to me there's more human element, not less, for players under the pressure of a scoring threat.  But yeah, different perceptions and perspectives, I guess. 

We don't have a deep bullpen, so perhaps this setup is more forgiving?  On the other hand, in recent years we've been below-average in "situational" stuff like scoring guys from 3rd with 1 out, so maybe it's not to our advantage?  Beats me. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 11:49:03 am
It does put an immediate premium on situational hitting, a positive to me.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 02, 2020, 12:58:19 pm
Heh heh, maybe that's why I like it.  The Cubs with their .227 batting average can possibly score and win even without a hit!  :):)

Curt, you've managed and I haven't, so I defer to your analysis.  But to me it just seems like there's less managerial strategy in a nobody-on-base inning than when every inning starts with a scoring threat.  And to me there's more human element, not less, for players under the pressure of a scoring threat.  But yeah, different perceptions and perspectives, I guess. 

We don't have a deep bullpen, so perhaps this setup is more forgiving?  On the other hand, in recent years we've been below-average in "situational" stuff like scoring guys from 3rd with 1 out, so maybe it's not to our advantage?  Beats me. 
In the good ol' days, if the other team led off the extra inning with a double, it was an automatic intentional walk to the next batter to set up force at any base and the double play.  I think only Joe at Anaheim has done this. 
Think about Ron's example of two ground outs scoring the run.  What if you walked two to fill the bases before that final ground ball?

I do think that's fun at the moment.  I think instituting it to save pitchers and players from extreme fatigue in the pandemic was good, but if and when we get back to normal, I'd prefer it be dropped.

Putting a runner on any base is like allowing a football team on offense to have a 12th man, a receiver placed 30 yards downfield at the snap. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 02, 2020, 01:06:44 pm
Does the “ghost runner”, Tuffy’s moniker and a good one, get a run scored in the box score? I don’t like that part. I do agree it puts small ball back into play, a good thing IMO.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 02, 2020, 01:18:34 pm
Not only that, but though it's not an earned run charged to the pitcher, it can be the big L on his record.  "I didn't give up a run, but I got the Loss, Ma."
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 01:36:18 pm
...Think about Ron's example of two ground outs scoring the run.  What if you walked two to fill the bases before that final ground ball?
...

I'd not do that top of inning, I don't think, but certainly in the bottom if we'd failed to score in the top that might make sense.  I'm mixed on that, though, depending on the pitcher.  In fact, upon considering, I'm pretty sure I'd not do that. 

Yes, a force-out is easier than a tag-out at the plate.  But walking them full to establish the force also makes it possible for a walk to force in the winning run.  Especially If I'm pitching wildmen like Kimbrel or winkler, for example, no way would I voluntarily set up a walk-loses-game situation.

Intentionally walking one guy to set up the conventional double-play, that I'd do. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 02, 2020, 01:39:59 pm
That’s a problem for sure. So the ghost runner doesn’t get a run scored in the box?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 02:32:34 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 03:22:56 pm
Gordon Wittenmyer  @GDubCub  26m
Bryant out of lineup but said he was fine and ready to go. Said Ross was adamant about easing him back because of unusual and short rehab process, especially with long, extra-inning, rain-delayed return Tuesday.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 02, 2020, 04:16:27 pm
I wonder if lineup above will be changed because righty Musgrove now starting instead of lefty Holland.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 04:19:53 pm
Please get Martinez out of there, Rossy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 06:10:42 pm
The tarp is on the field.  No estimate of a starting time.

Len says tomorrow's forecast is also iffy.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 06:47:43 pm
Looks like the rain will not last more than 30 more minutes.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 06:49:19 pm
7:15 start
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 02, 2020, 06:51:01 pm
Looks like the rain will not last more than 30 more minutes.
That's what people said to Noah.  How'd that work out?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 07:39:41 pm
You can count on a grounder to SS from Martinez.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 07:43:56 pm
After scoring no-out runner on 2nd both innings last night, Cubs dollar guys couldn't get him in after Happ's leadoff double.  Musgrove zips the next 6 batters no problem.  Hendricks already at 20 pitches with no outs in the 2nd, so this projects to be a bullpen game. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 07:45:36 pm
Hendricks grooves one, long HR. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 02, 2020, 07:45:57 pm
Hendricks hasn't been very good lately.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 07:48:04 pm
Hendricks sucking again on the road.  And not much hope for the offense with this lineup.  Looks like a concession game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 02, 2020, 07:53:30 pm
When Hendricks is working a lot of deep counts early in the game but mostly getting through like he's done in the first two innings tonight, it seems like he usually gets bombed in the 4th or 5th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 08:03:42 pm
Musgrove is like Cy Young vs. this lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 02, 2020, 08:18:42 pm
Why Mills and not Darvish tomorrow?  Lester and Hendricks are not helping this team right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 02, 2020, 08:20:28 pm
Baez needed that. Cubs did too. 3-run blast.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 08:21:28 pm
Baez destroys 1st-pitch fastball, 3-1.  Wow, no-doubter.  What a blast. 

Three consecutive hits by the Cubs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 08:24:42 pm
Souza whining about a called 3rd strike, seemed definitely inside the strike zone to me.  In the WGN box, it was completely within the boundaries.  But Souze acted like he'd gotten cheated, I don't think so Steven!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 08:29:38 pm
Has Martinez grounded to SS every AB as a Cub so far?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 02, 2020, 08:50:26 pm
You can count on a grounder to SS from Martinez.
Change his number to 63. Get clearance from Tuffy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 09:01:55 pm
Doesn’t say much for Ross’ baseball acumen that he’s started Martinez against two straight righties.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 02, 2020, 09:09:05 pm
Doesn’t say much for Ross’ baseball acumen that he’s started Martinez against two straight righties.

Len said on broadcast that Ross sitting some regulars today in anticipation of upcoming long stretch of games. That’s part of the context.

Don’t think Cubs got Martinez entirely for lefties. Remains to be seen how often vs. righties. Overall, he has a 120 wRC+ career in almost 1400 PAs. Or, we can go with 6 PAs as a Cub.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 02, 2020, 09:23:55 pm
When Hendricks is working a lot of deep counts early in the game but mostly getting through like he's done in the first two innings tonight, it seems like he usually gets bombed in the 4th or 5th.

Glad I was wrong on this one tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 02, 2020, 09:39:21 pm


Some alert baserunning from Hoerner and then Contreras to get into scoring position and now they come around on a Rizzo hit.  Big insurance runs!

Doesn’t say much for Ross’ baseball acumen that he’s started Martinez against two straight righties.

I want to root for this struggling guy, not hate him!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 02, 2020, 09:44:02 pm
Martinez gets burned by yet another low strike call yanked upward by a catcher, and then grounds into a force out.

Cubs lead 5-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 09:49:51 pm
Not like him to ground out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 09:58:33 pm
Jeffress threw a lot of pitches yesterday. Can you avoid Kimbrel in this one?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 02, 2020, 10:00:40 pm
Underwood and Ryan are warming for the 8th, so it would be nice to get a half a dozen more runs here.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 02, 2020, 10:06:02 pm
Play2, Love the love for Martinez. Baseball brings out all the emotions. Is it cold in SF? Man, these folks on here have been hashing it out for a good long time, and it’s refreshing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 10:07:14 pm
I would guess Wick might be an option? He only threw 13 yesterday. But I see Jerfress only threw 11.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 10:12:19 pm
Hopefully moot now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 10:13:22 pm
It's lovely in SF, dog.  If you ignore the smokey air.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 10:24:37 pm
Surely this is literally the perfect time to use Kimbrel, right?  “Closing” a game with a 6 run lead?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 02, 2020, 10:33:13 pm
I might have been a touch too pessimistic about this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 02, 2020, 10:57:28 pm
This is a really, really bad opponent.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 02, 2020, 11:02:56 pm
Nice win.  Great to get production from the top part of the order.  Baez, Contreras both contributed. 

Nice bounceback by Hendricks.  Like br, I didn't think it was looking good over the first inning or two.

Cubs must have a great bullpen:  They're 19-0 when leading in the 8th inning.  :):)

Jason with a clean and kind of good 9th inning.  He's got a weird, short-armed small-windup motion, and his fastball doesn't appear to locate particularly well, but he's pretty fast. 

Underwood looked really good, again.  he's had some good innings.  Throwing quite a few strikes.  He's always been a HR guy, but when he's not giving those up, I think he's interesting. 

Baez hit a high pop-up down the 1st-base line into shallow right.  At first it seemed a bit foul, but it ended up landing 2 feet inside the foul line.  Moran had time and should have caught it, but didn't.  If Baez had been semi-running, he'd have easily gotten to 2nd base, but he wasn't at all, so settled for 1st base. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 02, 2020, 11:40:40 pm
https://youtu.be/nEjvIKTC1xY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 03, 2020, 09:41:48 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg_z1_eXYAMa6CG?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 03, 2020, 09:45:35 am
57% chance of heavy rain     76°
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 03, 2020, 11:15:18 am
Looks like the rain will persist until 4:30 EDT or so.  They should reschedule the start time to late PM.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 03, 2020, 11:47:13 am
"(https://radar.weather.gov/lite/N0R/PBZ_loop.gif)/N0R/PBZ_loop.gif">
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 03, 2020, 11:50:38 am
CB Bucknor due to be behind the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 01:58:26 pm
Happ fouls a ball off the plate, and it bounces and hits him in the face--looks like they're checking the left eye.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 01:58:47 pm
Happ is leaving the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 02:01:04 pm
Maybin comes in with a 2-2 count and grounds out. Cubs get three hits in the inning. But since Contreras was thrown out trying to steal, they score no runs.

It looked like Happ was having trouble seeing out of his left eye.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 02:01:30 pm
And I think it was actually the right eye for Happ.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 03, 2020, 02:03:12 pm
Well that's terrible luck. Sure hope it isn't serious.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 03, 2020, 02:36:46 pm
Ross just burned Caratini...who's our backup catcher?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 02:43:56 pm
The Cubs blow another bases loaded, 1 out situation.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 03, 2020, 02:45:45 pm
Ugh, seems like every stinking time.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 02:53:32 pm
This has been a sloppy, poorly played game by the Cubs. Double play ball back to Adam on the mound in the 6th, and he throws the ball to Kipnis. Only problem is Kipnis is standing 15 feet from the base and Baez is covering. Kipnis then just stands there with the ball in his glove and doesn't even attempt to get the out at either first or second.

Next batter--double play ball to Rizzo and he drops it. He still gets an out at second, but it should've been another double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2020, 02:55:57 pm
Ross just burned Caratini...who's our backup catcher?
Schwarber, then Baez
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 03:02:48 pm
This game feels like a lot of Cubs games over the last few years when they take the first two of a series--just pure slop, and a team that looks like they were content to just win the series.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 03, 2020, 03:07:13 pm
Why didn’t Darvish start? Because of the next series with Cardinals?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 03, 2020, 03:23:58 pm
Right eye contusion for Happ, x-rays are negative.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 03, 2020, 04:00:56 pm
I assume he's going to hit at some point, but Bryant's OPS on the year is .560
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 03, 2020, 04:30:35 pm
https://youtu.be/pfQAJxuHUzo
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 04, 2020, 03:17:32 pm
No reports so far on Ian Happ

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 04, 2020, 04:45:12 pm
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

Ross: Given the testing Happ went through today, the manager felt it was best to give him a day off. Will check with Happ later to see if he's available off the bench. Day to day. Eye is doing better.

5:17 PM · Sep 4, 2020
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 04, 2020, 07:38:30 pm
Baez with a strike out. Unusual for him with a runner in scoring position and one out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 04, 2020, 07:45:47 pm
With the bases loaded and two outs, Contreras ends a long nine-pitch at-bat with a soft liner to right-center that brings Bryant and Rizzo in, and the Cubs lead 2-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 04, 2020, 07:48:06 pm
What do you know. Bases loaded and Cubs score two. Vegas odds must have been a money maker.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 04, 2020, 07:51:25 pm
Hopefully the Cubs wont bag up their bags like they normally do.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 04, 2020, 08:02:48 pm
Flaherty gets an easy second inning, but the Cubs are still up by two.

This five-game series will decide who wins the division.  If we can even win two of five, we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:09:33 pm
You could see a three-show stand by the Grateful Dead and never get the same song twice.  That's what it's like to face Yu three times in a game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:19:55 pm
This is by far - by far - the best Heyward has looked as a Cub.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:24:05 pm
And a great AB by Contreras again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:37:23 pm
Hard to see how anybody does anything against Darvish the way he is now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 04, 2020, 08:38:58 pm
Darvish is perfect through 4.

What he's doing this season is up there with Wood's 20K game and Arrieta's 2015 second half as the most impressive Cubs pitching I've seen.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:40:20 pm
So many slow curves tonight.  How do you sit on anything with him when he has 9 different pitches and can throw them all for strikes?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:50:16 pm
K on the changeup.  Yeah, I have that pitch too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 04, 2020, 08:53:29 pm
Perfect through 5, 71 pitches. How deep can he go into this game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 08:53:45 pm
Man, you figure Yu is going to break through and get a no-no sooner or later the way he's going, but he gets so many swings and misses the pitch count is always going to be an issue.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 04, 2020, 09:02:00 pm
Right, I believe Wood threw  120 something. But man, this is a perfect game so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 04, 2020, 09:06:40 pm
Be nice to get through this inning in about 5 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 04, 2020, 09:18:05 pm
Well, maybe it’s for the best. Yu is so good right now let’s don’t stretch it. We CANNOT lose this game!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 04, 2020, 09:21:12 pm
Willson drives himself in for the fourth Cubs run.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 04, 2020, 09:21:14 pm
Good night for Contreras too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 04, 2020, 09:27:04 pm
Maybin has another hit and the Cardinals are making a pitching change.

Supposedly Maybin has a great attitude and is a good clubhouse addition, with Ross having been a fan of his for years. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 04, 2020, 09:33:02 pm
Well Martinez didn’t ground out to shortstop Play2, he struck out instead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 04, 2020, 09:38:31 pm
I wish I could consider that a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 04, 2020, 09:55:47 pm
Darvish out, that’s the right move, 101 pitches, gotta live to fight another day.  If the bullpen gives this up I’m moving to Houston.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 04, 2020, 10:31:55 pm
A good win there.  Great effort by Yu.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 04, 2020, 10:42:40 pm
101 pitches tonight for Darvish....and only 19 were fastballs, says Statcast, with almost same # of 4-seamers and sinkers of the 19.

Lots of cutters and sliders, among other things. Average velocity of the entire repertoire, including the FBs: 85.8.

Amazing that he can command seven different pitches. Aside from the FBs, each offspeed pitch also has a somewhat different velocity from one another.

What Darvish is doing now is artistry out there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 04, 2020, 10:59:41 pm
https://youtu.be/0FmpyKvYTVA
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 04, 2020, 11:11:42 pm
They didn't use a picture from tonight though.  Contreras didn't catch and there were no plays at the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 04, 2020, 11:19:58 pm
Great outing by Darvish, wow.  To throw so many breaking balls and throw so many strikes, really outstanding.  Nice to see Contreras with a terrific game.  Jeffress seemed a bit lucky.  First guy should have been a walk.  2nd guy, no pitch was close, 3rd one was 3-2.  Glad it worked.  Good outing by Wick, also. 

The win brings the Cardinals and Cubs into a tie in the loss column.  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 05, 2020, 12:26:51 am
Hope throwing all those breaking balls isn't an issue for a pitcher who has already had surgery. Can't argue with the success, but he might want to up the FB total.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 05, 2020, 12:51:08 am
36H, 8BB, 63K in 50 IP for Darvish.  Won his last 7 starts.  Throwing harder and with better command at 34 than at any point in his career.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 05, 2020, 03:12:51 am
Still four pitchers in the NL ahead of Darvish in WAR if you can believe that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 05, 2020, 01:24:02 pm
Cool but beautiful day for baseball.  Let’s play two.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 04:28:13 pm
Looks like Happ’s vision is fine.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 05, 2020, 04:49:53 pm
Sure does. Happ is on fire.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 04:53:21 pm
Bases loaded, no outs for the Cubs. How will they blow it here?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 04:54:05 pm
Souza Ks on three pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 04:56:38 pm
Hoerner lines out.

It really is amazing how inept this team is with the bases loaded.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 04:58:13 pm
Happ grounds out. Failure again with the bases loaded.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 05, 2020, 05:03:02 pm
Unpopular opinion:

Bryant is not our best option at 3B right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 05, 2020, 05:03:21 pm
Souza is here why?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 05, 2020, 05:27:38 pm
The Mendoza line is alive and well on this team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 05, 2020, 06:10:40 pm
Still want to know why Souza is on this team.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 05, 2020, 06:40:30 pm
Come on...Wainwrighht again...does it count as a complete game?....the len convo was priceless
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 05, 2020, 06:45:24 pm
would've had an asterick next to it like Bonds' HRs...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 05, 2020, 06:51:06 pm
Bryant's up.  Game over.  When does #2 start?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 05, 2020, 06:53:04 pm
HA!  The tardinals bail out Bryant.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 05, 2020, 06:53:25 pm
With the Cubs down to their final out, Edman bobbles a grounder from Bryant.

Rizzo up as the potential winning run.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 05, 2020, 06:57:50 pm
That had all the makings of...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 05, 2020, 06:58:35 pm
Rizzo strikes out and the Cardinals win.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 05, 2020, 07:11:11 pm
https://youtu.be/xTE7qR1oAHo
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 05, 2020, 07:30:09 pm
Still want to know why Souza is on this team.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 05, 2020, 07:33:00 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 05, 2020, 07:34:03 pm
So who is pitching and why isn’t the 7:15 in progress?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 05, 2020, 07:39:06 pm
I wonder if Souza said or did something inappropriate when Ross pinch-hit for him in the 7th.

Weird to get dumped between games of a DH. Are Cubs playing a man short in game 2?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 05, 2020, 07:40:55 pm
Recalled Tyson Miller for game 2.

Guess just needed a pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 05, 2020, 07:59:22 pm
Why isn't Souza playing?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 05, 2020, 08:01:03 pm
That second strike call on Bote completely altered that inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 05, 2020, 08:02:48 pm
That away Javey, stay under the Mendoza line, big contract coming next year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 05, 2020, 08:15:41 pm
And José Martinez at DH, that’s a good move, what a hitter he is.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 05, 2020, 08:51:14 pm
Baez is so clutch. When you really need a hit you can count on him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 09:14:27 pm
Nice of the Cubs offense to shut down for the day as soon as they loaded the bases in the second inning of game 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 05, 2020, 09:37:14 pm
Javy is terrible this year. He needs to be hitting 7th or 8th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 05, 2020, 11:37:46 pm
The Cubs are basically Darvish and 4 Ls at this point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 06, 2020, 12:18:28 am
https://youtu.be/QdvlyLNaSzc
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 06, 2020, 07:31:15 am
Cardinals are 2.5 games out..."There they go again"
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 06, 2020, 02:51:38 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 06, 2020, 05:55:36 pm
Lester is going to have to step up, not to mention the offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 06:18:15 pm
Lester pitching with the wind blowing out and a rookie umpire who appears to have a small zone behind the plate...this is not likely to end well tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 06, 2020, 06:57:02 pm
Solo shot for Rizzo answers a Cards 1st inning bomb off Lester. Then a 2-out 2-run homer for Kipnis makes it 3-1 Cubs after 2. Gotta keep it going. Three runs won’t win this one...


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 06, 2020, 07:00:31 pm
Well, that was quick. 4 batters into the top of the 3rd, it’s 4-3 Cards on a homer by Goldschmidt.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 06, 2020, 07:09:14 pm
5-3 Cardinals going into the bottom of the third.

Old baseball saying I haven't posted in awhile - If a pitcher doesn't know when to retire, the hitters will tell him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 06, 2020, 07:09:21 pm
Lester has been pounded in 4 of 5 starts now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 07:10:55 pm
St. Louis is playing itself right back into being the favorite to win the division, after we seemed to have it locked up for so long.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 07:24:00 pm
Has any team ever gone into the postseason using a rotation of a #1 starter, #2 starter, and two bullpen games?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 06, 2020, 07:26:52 pm
Lester really looks done.  It's been a great career but I sure hope the Cubs don't do something stupid like pick up his option.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 06, 2020, 07:44:55 pm
This offense is basically homer or nothing. Trying to put rallies together is like pulling teeth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 07:49:56 pm
Heyward leaves the game before the 5th inning. It looked like he fouled a ball off his foot or leg during his 4th inning AB, so that's probably why.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 06, 2020, 07:51:17 pm
I’m beginning to think Ross is in over his head.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 07:54:59 pm
Winkler strands a leadoff runner and the Cubs are coming up to bat in the 5th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 06, 2020, 07:58:33 pm
We're fortunate that this is a short season.  Can you imagine watching Lester for 162?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 08:06:07 pm
With Javy up, yet another pitch several inches off the outside edge of the plate around knee/thigh height is called a strike.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 06, 2020, 08:23:05 pm
Remember FDISK and his theory of managers? Well, the manager brings the lineup and lineup changes to the umpire. He makes ‘em. That’s all he really does, he controls the lineup. Ross has not done an acceptable job at doing that and I don’t think he knows how to.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 08:27:32 pm
I know the Cubs will be winning again some day, but right now it feels like the Cardinals are the ones 2.5 games ahead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 06, 2020, 08:28:04 pm
Why in the world would you burn Wick in this game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 08:29:09 pm
Cubs started the season 12-3. Unless they somehow score at least 4 runs in the next 4 innings without the terrible bullpen allowing any more Cardinals to score, they'll fall to 11-15 since.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 08:44:28 pm
Kimbrel gets a 1-2-3 inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 08:53:08 pm
There's a lot of criticism of David Ross right now on Twitter. I don't necessarily disagree...but what did everyone expect?

He's inheriting a rotation with two major league quality starting pitchers (maybe 3 if Quintana was healthy), a bullpen with Rowan Wick and Jeremy Jeffress as his most reliable relievers, and an offense that has shown it's dysfunctional and less than the sum of its parts for three full seasons. What is he supposed to do?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 06, 2020, 08:54:02 pm
Ross is the least of our problems, IMO.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 06, 2020, 08:59:21 pm
He can shake the lineup up a bit. Billy Martin shook the lineup up a bit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 09:01:00 pm
Underwood also pitches a 1-2-3 inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 09:03:13 pm
Heyward left the game because he wasn't feeling well. So it wasn't an injury, and he'll probably be back in a couple of days if he has a couple of clean COVID tests.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 09:09:20 pm
Another outside pitch is called a strike on Javy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 09:12:07 pm
The Cubs have what, 2 hits since the Kipnis homer? They don't get to blame the bad umpire. It's all on this dysfunctional offense and the front office who thought a 4th year of the same thing would be different.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 06, 2020, 09:18:58 pm
I watched "The Song Remains the Same" on TCM...and switched over to ESPN afterwards...I see the score remains the same there...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 06, 2020, 09:19:21 pm
Matt Dermody pitches a scoreless inning in his Cubs debut and his first major league appearance since 2017; in the interim he had pitched for the Sugar Land Skeeters.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 06, 2020, 09:22:31 pm
This offense sucks, but the umpire also sucks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 06, 2020, 09:49:37 pm
https://youtu.be/YzxSHRwZiQk
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 07, 2020, 11:16:46 am
Partly sunny  70°  Wind in from center at 12 mph

The ESPN telecast will be on a one-hour delay.  Not true.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 07, 2020, 03:36:48 pm
Hendricks with less than 20 pitches thru 2. Love to see that. 1-0 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 03:48:10 pm
The Cubs need to tighten up the defense. They've been too sloppy lately.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 03:53:54 pm
Hendricks works around two hits that should've been turned into outs by his defenders. He was to throw about 12 extra pitches because Schwarber didn't hang on to that fly ball. That means we'll have to endure an extra inning from the bullpen today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 07, 2020, 04:20:53 pm
At least there are no computerized fake people littering the stands. Hendricks on track with the double play and ground out. 2 - 0 Cubs bottom 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 07, 2020, 04:36:25 pm
The lead really should be double with all the chances the Cubs have had.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 07, 2020, 04:44:29 pm
Molina a class act, arguing that he wasn’t hit by pitch but foul tipped it to Contreras. 3 - 0 Cubs bottom 5.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 04:46:47 pm
64 pitches through 5 for Hendricks today. That’s 115 pitch pace in a complete game. If Schwarber had been able to hold on to that fly ball in the 3rd, he’d be in good shape to go all the way.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 07, 2020, 04:50:10 pm
Cardinals throw the ball all over the field resulting in a couple of runs. Cubs should be able to hold on to this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 07, 2020, 05:02:48 pm
Martinez now 0-14 as a Cub and has K'd in both AB's versus a lefty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 05:06:04 pm
5 pitch 6th inning, 69 pitches total. Complete game possibility is back in play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 05:10:46 pm
Happ with a double and 3 walks today. Should he be the Cubs top priority for an extension at this point?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 07, 2020, 05:24:38 pm
Hendricks gives up a single to start the seventh, followed by what should’ve been a double play ball, but for some reason Javi didn’t attempt a throw to first.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 05:29:25 pm
Maybin also lost a ball in the sun, so both Hendricks jams today have been partially a result of defenders not making plays they should make.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 07, 2020, 05:29:33 pm
Tremendous DP turned to get Hendricks out of the 7th. Hoerner turned his body before getting the ball so he could make the throw to 2nd quicker which was dangerous but worked.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 05:31:16 pm
Still only 80 pitches through 7, though. Given the state of the bullpen and the fact that Mills pitches tomorrow, I hope Ross lets him go 9 as long as he can keep the pitch count to about 110.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 07, 2020, 05:46:58 pm
Hoerner is going to be a great player.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 06:00:57 pm
Wick is pitching the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 06:04:09 pm
Cubs win. I would've preferred to see them let Hendricks finish it, especially since Wick is now probably unavailable tomorrow after pitching two days in a row. But nice job by Wick shutting them down in the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 07, 2020, 06:05:09 pm
Well that helped. Cardinals would have to go 7-2 in their 9 extra games to tie.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 06:07:07 pm
If I had to guess, this series is pretty much how the postseason will go--competitive on the days Darvish and Hendricks start, but in a lot of trouble on the other days.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 07, 2020, 06:14:20 pm
Time of game 2:51 - very nice.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 07, 2020, 06:23:11 pm
https://youtu.be/nwFW_i2_jnk
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 07, 2020, 06:31:30 pm
Chicago Cubs @Cubs
Kyle Hendricks sets a new franchise record - 38 consecutive starts with two or fewer walks!


More Cubs pitchers should try that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 07, 2020, 08:55:14 pm
Who's record did he break?  Maddux?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 07, 2020, 09:56:07 pm
Likely him or Fergie...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 07, 2020, 10:39:48 pm
Actually, it was Bill Hands (just saw it on Twitter)...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 07, 2020, 11:27:25 pm
Yu and Kyle, please rain for a while.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 08, 2020, 02:53:26 pm
Mahle vs Mills. Hope the wind is blowing out a bit. Cub hitters need to be patient. Reds announcer put his foot in his mouth last series, might be an incentive.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 08, 2020, 04:02:28 pm
50% chance of showers    wind in from center at 15 mph

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 08, 2020, 07:59:23 pm
Bote triples with 2 on in bottom second. I wondered why he was playing second instead of Nico. Well, maybe Ross knows more than I do.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 08, 2020, 08:13:16 pm
I sure wanted Castellanos' bat back but he really is a lousy outfielder.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 08, 2020, 08:18:53 pm
Javy with a triple with 1 on bottom 3rd.  3 - 0 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 08, 2020, 08:31:55 pm
I sure wanted Castellanos' bat back but he really is a lousy outfielder.
Reds are playing him out of position...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 08, 2020, 08:34:27 pm
According to Jimmy Dean in his TV commercial — life is like a sausage, you only get out of it what you put into it. 3 - 0 Cubs bottom 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 08, 2020, 08:46:25 pm
Maybe Javy is coming out of it a little?  Sure would be nice if he turned back into himself.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 08, 2020, 08:55:54 pm
Happ having problems with Mahle. 0 for 3, 3 strikeouts. All swinging I think. A lot of pitches for Mahle so . . .
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 08, 2020, 09:09:54 pm
Why is Dempster doing the game instead of JD tonight? Is this related to his golf injury a couple weeks ago?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 08, 2020, 09:12:43 pm
Underwood gets the call protecting a lead.  He's been better lately but exclusively in garbage time - this is a big test for him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 08, 2020, 09:19:23 pm
The Cubs have gotten a ton of double plays in the last few games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 08, 2020, 09:26:51 pm
Mahle disposes of the Cubs easily in the seventh.

Can we hold this three-run lead for two more innings?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 08, 2020, 09:27:38 pm
Glad to have Underwood get that inning.  He's been pretty good lately, nice to let him get an inning in a game situation. 

Len noted that *IF* the Cubs hold on and win, it would be their first back-to-back-wins without a HR in two years. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 08, 2020, 09:31:22 pm
Looking at Kimbrel he's up to 96.7 and has 19 Ks in 10 IP.  Clearly, he's fixable, the raw materials are still there.  The question is whether he's fixed, but using him in the 8th protecting a 3-run lead would have seemed like a logical next step.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 08, 2020, 09:54:52 pm
Cubs Win!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 08, 2020, 09:57:39 pm
A nice drama-free win.  And we pick up half a game on St. Louis, who split their doubleheader. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 08, 2020, 10:12:13 pm
https://youtu.be/ynXCadEvpxU
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 09, 2020, 02:49:45 pm
Jason Heyward returns

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 09, 2020, 03:33:47 pm
Bryant's elbow must be hurting...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 09, 2020, 04:26:23 pm
Bryant's elbow must be hurting...

Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  3m
Bryant’s elbow swelled after getting hit Tuesday, available to play
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 09, 2020, 04:57:16 pm
Interesting Vargas
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 09, 2020, 07:28:21 pm
3-run homer Moustakas after Darvish walked two in the 1st.

Might be enough for Bauer.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 09, 2020, 08:31:47 pm
Darvish has switched to number 21.  Is this just to join in with the Pirates' celebration of Roberto Clemente today, or is it permanent?  Had he been waiting for Souza to depart so that he could have his old Dodgers number back?  I support it as 21 looks a lot more pitcher-ish than the infielderly 11.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 09, 2020, 08:38:12 pm
Contreras gets plunked so the perfect game out of the way. Now for a hit....
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 09, 2020, 08:44:49 pm
One hit batter and 8 K's in 4 innings against Bauer.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 09, 2020, 08:48:52 pm
Answering my own question about Darvish's 21, but it looks like it's just for today, along with several other players.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 09, 2020, 09:34:37 pm
This performance would certainly make me think Bauer would be a great signing, but then he can't face us if he signs with us.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 09, 2020, 09:43:31 pm
Darvish has switched to number 21.  Is this just to join in with the Pirates' celebration of Roberto Clemente today, or is it permanent?  Had he been waiting for Souza to depart so that he could have his old Dodgers number back?  I support it as 21 looks a lot more pitcher-ish than the infielderly 11.

He really should be #1, ne?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 09, 2020, 10:05:45 pm
21 Ks in 11 IP for Kimbrel.  Several 98s today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 09, 2020, 10:06:27 pm
A third on-field call that goes against the Cubs is reversed.  Thank God for replay.

He really should be #1, ne?

It would certainly fit him!

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 09, 2020, 10:18:02 pm
Reds close the Cubs out in the 9th and win 3-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 09, 2020, 10:55:25 pm
Not sure how they found highlights totaling 12:35.  I quit after two minutes.

https://youtu.be/86f-i4zZiHU
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 10, 2020, 03:02:02 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 10, 2020, 04:23:53 pm
Over his career, Sonny Gray is a slightly reverse splits pitcher.

So, a couple more righty bats in lineup tonight than otherwise might be expected.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 10, 2020, 04:46:09 pm
Glad to see Hoerner starting at second.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 10, 2020, 06:01:33 pm
Delayed start?

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 10, 2020, 06:40:16 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  5m
The start of tonight’s game will be delayed due to rain.

We’re anticipating a 7:35 p.m. CT first pitch.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 10, 2020, 07:06:14 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  2m
Start time now TBD because of persistent rain
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 10, 2020, 07:49:25 pm
Where's Kipnis?  Probably been our 2bd-best hitter after Happ and he seems to have disappeared.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 10, 2020, 09:40:44 pm
Baez has been awful.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 09:40:54 pm
Cubs threaten with two men on and two outs; Javy swings at ball four and fouls it off, then gets caught looking at a knee-high strike and the threat is over.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 09:52:06 pm
Kyle Ryan coming in.  Alzolay is done for the day at 3 2/3 innings (and with a runner on third that is his), and cannot get the win if the Cubs come back.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 10:16:30 pm
Nico is doing it all.  A double with the bases loaded brings in two runs, then on a grounder in the hole to second base he never stops running and puts the Cubs in the lead.  Happ even legs out the infield hit!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 10:25:50 pm
A wild pitch moves the runners to second and third, and Rizzo hits a grounder to the shortstop, but even with the drawn-in infield they can't attempt to nab Happ running home, and they throw to first to get the second out as the Cubs' fifth run scores.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 10, 2020, 10:35:42 pm
That was an unexpected outburst.

Problem now is 5 innings for this bullpen to protect a lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 10:47:02 pm
Tepera gets a big strikeout with two men on to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 10, 2020, 10:47:54 pm
Cubs hitters saw 49 pitches in the 5-run 4th inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 10:56:25 pm
Contreras sneaks a fly ball in front of the center fielder, moves to third on a Heyward groundout to first, and then Maybin places a hit perfectly on the left field line and gets a triple out of it, scoring Contreras.

These are some vintage Cubs at-bats tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 11:02:26 pm
After a walk, Hoerner grounds to first, and they can only get the out at second and he beats the throw back to the pitcher covering.

7-3, Cubs.

This has been a really entertaining game; lots of balls in play, lots of baserunning action, and no home runs.  I can't understand why the higher-ups don't like this style of play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 10, 2020, 11:02:46 pm
The Cubs probably should've just spent the extra half million (far less than that in prorated money) to sign Maybin instead of Souza in the offseason.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 11:07:01 pm
Hoerner steals second, but Happ strikes out to end the inning.

Adam coming in to pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 10, 2020, 11:11:11 pm
Get it to the 8th and Wick and JJ to finish it, presumably.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 11:24:04 pm
Adam strands the runners and the Cubs are out of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 10, 2020, 11:59:31 pm
Hoerner gets on base yet again in the 7th and Billy Hamilton is running for him.  Hamilton tries to steal right away and Stephenson makes a perfect throw to get him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:02:58 am
Winkler pitching the eighth and promptly gives up a hit to Eugenio, who always seems to play well against the Cubs.

This has been a long game, but with all these hits and baserunners it's been really entertaining.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:07:15 am
Reds have first and second with nobody out, as a potential double-play ball to Vargas at second is fumbled by Baez covering second.  The call was reviewed as it looked like he had control of the ball for an instant before dropping it as he tried to throw, but the umpire's call was upheld.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:10:23 am
Akiyama hits a gapper that gets a run in, and then overslides second by a few millimeters, and Vargas holds the glove on him to get him out.

Does that go in the books as a double?  It should; he made it to second base safely and then went past it.

It's also the third really close play in two games in which Akiyama has been put out on the bases.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:11:17 am
Stephenson gets a hit and it's 7-5.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 11, 2020, 12:13:24 am
Winker appears to be unable to put hitters away
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 11, 2020, 12:14:35 am
Winkler also has trouble.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:17:00 am
Winkler recovers to get a strikeout and a soft liner to shortstop, and we go to the bottom of the 8th with the score 7-5.

It feels like Jeffress is overdue for a bad outing.  Let's get some insurance runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:29:52 am
First insurance run comes in as Willson hits a gapper that brings Bryant in from first.

We have to hang on and win this; with the possible exception of Alzolay's short start, this has been a great game all around.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 12:39:45 am
Jeffress holds them in an uneventful ninth, and the Cubs win, 8-5.

The lead on the Cardinals increases by half a game with them splitting a doubleheader today.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 12:39:51 am
8-5

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robert L on September 11, 2020, 12:43:55 am
nice win tonight!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 12:44:23 am
A 1:15 rain delay followed by a 4:07 game will test most every fan's endurance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 11, 2020, 01:21:16 am
That was an unexpected outburst.

Problem now is 5 innings for this bullpen to protect a lead.

Can somebody tell Deeg that the bullpen has been solid since the second week of the season. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 11, 2020, 03:48:03 am
Good thing those bad games don’t count.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 11, 2020, 08:06:26 am
nice win.  As tuffy alluded to, it's really more interesting when there are hits, balls in play, baserunners, scoring opportunities that develop and get cashed in.  Where you get some clutch hits or run-scoring outs. 

When Alzolay got behind 2-0 on the first out, and 3-0 before the they finished the 2nd, against Sonny Gray who's been really tough against us, I certainly didn't anticipate an 8-run, 13-hit win, that's for sure.  Very fun. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 08:47:22 am
https://youtu.be/wepbnuigttM
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 09:43:56 am
A 1:15 rain delay followed by a 4:07 game will test most every fan's endurance.


Len Kasper commented on the number of unnecessary delays in the Thursday night game.  In the bottom of the eighth, Cameron Maybin stepped out of the box twice just seconds apart while the pitcher was ready.  Something meaningful has to be done to speed up the game and it has to be done soon.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 11, 2020, 09:50:02 am
Pitch Clock

You only get two FB on Strike three (even when bunting)

Computer strike zone

No stepping out after the pitcher sets.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 10:21:34 am
Electronic strike zone.

Build new ballparks with much more foul territory.

Go back to 1:30 commercial breaks between innings.

And for an experiment that's almost as outrageous as putting imaginary runners on the bases: make anything hit over the outfield fence a foul ball.  The only home runs will be inside-the-park home runs.  Now this will get more balls in play, reduce the strikeouts, and create excitement.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 11:30:24 am
What you wear to the plate has to be worn around the bases.  No more waiting for the batboy to run out and retrieve elbow pads and shin guards when a hitter reaches base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 11, 2020, 12:05:29 pm
The 2 FB idea I don’t agree with because it’s fun to wear the pitcher down, up his pitch count, and if you get a piece of it you should still be alive, a tiny piece and it’s a foul tip out, a line drive down the line and just foul should not result in an out, imp.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 11, 2020, 12:34:47 pm
Pitch Clock...  No stepping out after the pitcher sets.

Those link, to me.  Pitcher is obligated by the clock.  And so too is the batter, no timeouts for hitters to step out.  And with a clock, the batter won't need to be wondering if/when a pitch will ever come, so less need to be stepping out. 

I also kinda wonder if with a pitch count, there'd be other advantages:
1.  less time for sign-stealing and cheat-communicating? 
2.  Shifts?  Shifters need to get re-positioned within the time contraints of the clock, and *IF* that's hard for them, good.... 
3.  *IF* the long time actually helps pitchers avoid making mistakes, a few more mistakes resulting in more hits and baserunners would be good.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 11, 2020, 02:10:15 pm
Rarely do I disagree with Craig, but I've never liked the clock idea. For one, things are already too micromanaged and computerized. More than that, I've always said the pace-of-game issues isn't due to the pitchers taking too much time between pitches. When you have hitters that now try to make the hardest contact possible and who are very patient to wait for that pitch to crush and who are not bothered by striking out, and you have so many pitchers with nasty stuff that it's harder to make consistent contact in the first place, this is what you get.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 11, 2020, 02:22:33 pm
I just can’t picture the hitter and catcher without the umpire.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 11, 2020, 02:35:02 pm
Move the pitching mound back a foot or two.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 11, 2020, 02:35:43 pm
And slightly expand the size of the strike zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 02:56:29 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 11, 2020, 03:02:35 pm
Baez not in the lineup, Hoerner at short.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 03:03:48 pm
Javy Baez is 1-10 with 4 Ks vs Woodruff.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 11, 2020, 03:44:22 pm
Caratini is 4 for his last 33, Kipnis 8 for his last 38...

I'd almost rather see Maybin in the OF and Schwarber at DH...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 04:51:35 pm
After this three game series in Milwaukee, the Brewers play five games in three days with the Cardinals at Miller Park.   If the Cubs take two out of three and St. Louis wins at least three out of five, the Brewers season would be close to over.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 11, 2020, 04:52:42 pm
I just can’t picture the hitter and catcher without the umpire.

Will still be an umpire.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 11, 2020, 04:58:47 pm
Good thing those bad games don’t count.

Other thing to consider is that some of the relievers from first week of the season are gone.

Maples, Norwood, Brothers, Wieck gave up 10 earned runs in six innings first week of the season. Of course those runs count but also have no bearing on solid work of the Cubs bullpen from August 1 onward.

Of course, bullpens can be volatile and remains to be seen what will follow going forward, but Cubs bullpen has been solid after that bad first week.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 11, 2020, 04:58:55 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  1m
Ross on Baez: “I think he’s just frustrated.” .... “Mentally, he needed a day.”
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 11, 2020, 05:09:20 pm
His hitting issues are starting to infect his defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 11, 2020, 06:35:08 pm
Yep.  Trying to do too much.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 11, 2020, 08:11:08 pm
Lester strikes out yelich  to end the third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 11, 2020, 08:35:05 pm
Lester pitching really well but the Cubs have just two hit batters through five.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 11, 2020, 08:50:42 pm
Happ gets the first hit to start the 6th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 11, 2020, 08:53:35 pm
Bryant crosses the 100 at-bat mark for the season with 2 homers, 4 RBI, and 32 K's.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 11, 2020, 09:12:30 pm
Nice to see Lester have a game like that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 09:21:06 pm
Kimbrel in to pitch in a 0-0 game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 11, 2020, 09:33:56 pm
Kimbrel has been good for about a month.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 11, 2020, 09:51:36 pm
16 K for Cubs batters through 9.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 09:59:33 pm
Trouble on the horizon as Györko gets a hit and Yelich reaches third.  No outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 11, 2020, 10:02:58 pm
Walk-off sacrifice fly; Yelich scores as Heyward does not even try to throw it home.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 11, 2020, 10:03:56 pm
Interesting game, that was some dominant pitching by Milwaukee.  Leadoff walk was the killer. 

O well, interesting game.  Bryant's triple didn't miss by much. 

Shame to get a good game from Lester and not win it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 12:29:58 am
https://youtu.be/0YXvG8fkba4
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 12, 2020, 12:41:19 am
Why would you replace Wick with Jeffress when you needed a K to stay alive?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 02:24:06 pm
This is the last series the Cubs will play at “Miller Park”.  In 2021 it will be known as American Family Field.  Before Miller Park they played at County Stadium so they’ve pretty much got the types of places to play covered.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 02:26:02 pm
Carrie Muskat  @CarrieMuskat  14m
Rizzo gets a breather.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 04:07:32 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  25m
Cameron Maybin (feeling ill) was scratched from tonight's lineup.   Stomach according to Mark Gonzalez.

New #Cubs lineup:

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 04:09:26 pm
Bleacher Nation  @BleacherNation  28m
Brewers Starter Brett Anderson Scratched for Tonight’s Game Against the Cubs.  Brent Suter is starting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 06:48:04 pm
Gee wiz — Sutor with 6Ks thru 3. What gives? Hendricks a low pitch count. Gotta win this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 12, 2020, 06:50:04 pm
22 K the last 12 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 06:53:53 pm
Len: this game is like a quality pair of pantyhose - no runs

No score after three

Peralta now pitching for the Brewers
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 07:00:39 pm
Why is Sutor out?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 12, 2020, 07:09:25 pm
Suter has only pitched in relief this year, so he was probably never going longer than once through the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 12, 2020, 07:15:16 pm
Man, that pop up Braun hit in foul territory just before the homer wasn't an easy play, but Bryant should've made it. Rizzo would've made it look routine. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 07:17:43 pm
Nobody will ever replace Fernando Vina as my most disliked Cubs opponent but Ryan Braun isn't far behind
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 12, 2020, 07:30:41 pm
Maybe if Happ and Heyward are carrying the team you're inevitably asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 07:39:39 pm
Harry Caray hated pop-ups. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 12, 2020, 07:55:44 pm
This offense is terrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 08:03:53 pm
Nico leading off, dollar bet he gets on base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 12, 2020, 08:08:44 pm
Nico understands getting the bat on the ball: he must be pinch but for.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 08:14:45 pm
Bryant strikes out after popping out last at bat
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 12, 2020, 08:36:03 pm
Bryant’s first AB tonight was the worst Cubs AB I have seen since Heyward’s last AB in Game 7.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 12, 2020, 08:36:15 pm
J-HEY!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 12, 2020, 08:38:54 pm
LOL!

VARGAS!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 12, 2020, 08:42:11 pm
That inning made suffering thru the first 8 worth it...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 12, 2020, 08:44:09 pm
Kimbrel in to save it...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 12, 2020, 08:47:23 pm
Didn't the Cubs have a game like this that kicked off the Brewers big comeback two years ago? I think Rizzo homered off Hader in the top of the 9th, but then whoever was closing at the time coughed it up in the bottom of the 9th? Hopefully they can avoid that this time.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 12, 2020, 08:48:16 pm
Didn't the Cubs have a game like this that kicked off the Brewers big comeback two years ago? I think Rizzo homered off Hader in the top of the 9th, but then whoever was closing at the time coughed it up in the bottom of the 9th? Hopefully they can avoid that this time.

yes, it was on Labor Day.  Edwards blew it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 08:56:10 pm
Who needs a fingernail clipper, just bite ‘em down with your teeth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 12, 2020, 09:08:36 pm
Cubs win!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 12, 2020, 09:21:54 pm
Maybe if Happ and Heyward are carrying the team you're inevitably asking for trouble.
Or not. :)


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 12, 2020, 10:14:14 pm
This set of highlights includes the ninth inning.

https://youtu.be/cOYMZXFn4qs
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 12, 2020, 10:54:04 pm
As the bottom of the 9th began, I thought, oh crap, if Kimbrel blows this he may be done forever.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 12, 2020, 11:00:57 pm
I didn't see any of tonight's game, but thanks for bringing home the win, friends! 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 12, 2020, 11:02:30 pm
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian
·
Sep 10
Hey, Craig Kimbrel just set a Cubs record with his 9th straight relief appearance (within confines of one season, going to 1901) with 2+ strikeouts. Was tied with Lee Smith, who did so in 8 in a row in 1983.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 13, 2020, 10:39:12 am
The Cubs lineup is about 1½ hours overdue.  I wonder what is holding things up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 13, 2020, 10:48:03 am
Kris Bryant status?

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 13, 2020, 12:22:53 pm
Yesterday, after Schwarber Ks in the 9th, Brewers win expectancy was 96%.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 12:50:35 pm
Bryant might be given the day off so we have a chance to get a hit or two.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 01:59:46 pm
Mills not giving up any runs. Seems locked in.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 02:09:22 pm
Heyward knew he had to lift it, keep it off the ground, and he did it!

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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 02:17:10 pm
Now Happ, with the bases loaded, eyes that pitch and thinks grand slam. Lays off it and thinks man all I need to do is get my bat on that ball and drive it, which is what he did. 5 - 0 Cubs.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 02:34:26 pm
Mills no hit ball thru four.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 02:43:52 pm
Yelich throws like a girl, Cubs up 6 - 0.
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Post by: CurtOne on September 13, 2020, 02:52:20 pm
I think they were throwing to second to appeal. 
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 02:56:59 pm
9 - 0 Cubs top 5th. Now Mills is throwing a no hitter so far but of course throwing a lot of pitches, can you take him out with a no hitter going?
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 03:11:54 pm
Close play at first, looked like runner was safe but Mills has no hitter intact.
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Post by: brjones on September 13, 2020, 03:20:32 pm
72 pitches by Mills through 6 innings, so the pitch count is fine. That's 108 pitch pace in 9 innings.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 03:23:49 pm
Pitch count isn’t that high, Ross will let him roll, he’s pitched a hellava game so far.
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Post by: brjones on September 13, 2020, 03:30:39 pm
He's through 7 innings.
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Post by: brjones on September 13, 2020, 03:46:55 pm
Three outs to go. He's just over 100 pitches.
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Post by: CurtOne on September 13, 2020, 03:49:02 pm
This is probably be the closest he will ever get.
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Post by: brjones on September 13, 2020, 04:00:09 pm
1 out to go...
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Post by: brjones on September 13, 2020, 04:02:11 pm
NO HITTER!  Nice job, Mills.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 13, 2020, 04:06:33 pm
Mills with a no hitter.
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Post by: Chris27 on September 13, 2020, 04:12:39 pm
Cool to see a journeyman get it. So many elite Cubs pitchers couldn't but Mills does. Amazing.
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Post by: Robert L on September 13, 2020, 04:17:52 pm
WOW!
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Post by: craig on September 13, 2020, 04:18:28 pm
Thanks for PBP, toothe! 
wow wow wow.  What a great day for Mills.  Seems like such a calm guy.  Cubs haven't always had the "overachiever" label, but Mills is sure a great overachiever story.  His ERA is back down under 4.  Very fun, happy for him.   
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Post by: davep on September 13, 2020, 04:26:05 pm
Now that Mills is our # 1 starter, we should trade him while we can still get good value for him.  How about for Jimenez and Cease.
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Post by: Deeg on September 13, 2020, 04:42:25 pm
OK, who had "Alec Mills throws a no-hitter" in the 2020 pool?
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Post by: JR on September 13, 2020, 04:54:06 pm
Mills!!!!!
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Post by: Bennett on September 13, 2020, 04:56:04 pm
It was nice of MLB Extra Innings to let the broadcast continue through the interview with Alec Mills.  I remember one game where the screen went black before the left fielder caught the final out.
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Post by: Dave23 on September 13, 2020, 04:57:38 pm
Only 5 swings and misses all game for Mills...
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Post by: Reb on September 13, 2020, 05:28:26 pm
Only 5 swings and misses all game for Mills...

Brewers BABIP was poor today.
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Post by: Bennett on September 13, 2020, 05:39:21 pm
https://youtu.be/in9EnbnpYdk
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Post by: brjones on September 13, 2020, 06:04:51 pm
By my math, the Cubs magic number to win the division is 13 (9 to make the playoffs).
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Post by: Tuffy on September 13, 2020, 06:13:46 pm
Wooooooooow.  If you told me a Cubs pitcher would throw a no-hitter this year, I would have guessed Darvish, then Hendricks, then I would have paused a little and thought of Lester.  Then I would have assumed that we had re-acquired Hamels or Arrieta.  I wouldn't have guessed Mills would even pitch a complete game or shutout, let alone a no-hitter!
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Post by: Bennett on September 13, 2020, 06:18:35 pm
There was a very close play at first base in the bottom of the sixth that Craig Counsell could easily have challenged but didn't.  Classy move on his part.  With the score 9-0 it is probably covered by the unwritten rule book.
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Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 13, 2020, 06:26:41 pm
There was a very close play at first base in the bottom of the sixth that Craig Counsell could easily have challenged but didn't.  Classy move on his part.  With the score 9-0 it is probably covered by the unwritten rule book.

He’d already been kicked out of the game.
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Post by: Playtwo on September 13, 2020, 09:11:53 pm
Which was less likely- consecutive HRs in the 9th to beat Hader or a no-no by Mills?
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Post by: Deeg on September 13, 2020, 09:38:20 pm
I'll take the latter.  That many balls in play, and not one finding a hole somewhere?
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 14, 2020, 12:45:22 am
Such a lopsided win, but Mills is in the record books, man he’s got to feel like a million bucks. Cubs win the third and final rubber game of the series. Day off today.
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Post by: Bennett on September 15, 2020, 03:15:59 pm
69°  0% chance of rain  wind out to left at 9 mph

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 15, 2020, 07:13:10 pm
Taylor McGregor - what is your favorite Cubs regular season win?

The Sandberg game will get a lot of votes
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Post by: Dave23 on September 15, 2020, 08:05:13 pm
J-HEY!
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Post by: Dave23 on September 15, 2020, 08:06:43 pm
As much as I loved the Sandberg game, for dramatics, and considering homer announcing and enthusiasm, I’d put the Bote game and the Woody game ahead of Ryno...
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Post by: Tuffy on September 15, 2020, 08:48:22 pm
Three batters in a row get one-out hits -- Happ, Bryant, Rizzo -- and the Cubs have tied it up.
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Post by: Tuffy on September 15, 2020, 08:52:42 pm
Contreras keeps the hit parade going with a single to right, but, thinking the Indians would throw home while Rizzo is held at third, tries to take second and is thrown out when the first baseman cuts the throw off.

Still tied 3-3 with two outs.  And now the Indians get the third out.  I hope we're not looking back on that play later in the game.
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Post by: Deeg on September 15, 2020, 09:26:23 pm
Another good performance with less than his best for Yu.
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Post by: CurtOne on September 15, 2020, 09:32:14 pm
Happ ... What kind of slide was that?
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Post by: Deeg on September 15, 2020, 09:38:45 pm
Let's see if we can save this and get Yu a win here.
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Post by: Dihard on September 15, 2020, 09:50:16 pm
Wick a little shaky but gets through the 8th. JJ to close it?


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Post by: brjones on September 15, 2020, 09:59:17 pm
Baez scores from first on a strikeout.
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Post by: Dave23 on September 15, 2020, 10:01:25 pm
Javy being Javy...
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Post by: Playtwo on September 15, 2020, 10:08:03 pm
Kimbrel, I would think.
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Post by: Tuffy on September 15, 2020, 10:27:17 pm
Jeffress allows a two-run homer to Lindor so we have to play the bottom of the ninth.

Bryant walks and Rizzo singles up the middle with the center fielder bobbling it, and Cleveland is taking Oliver Perez out and making a pitching change.

Let's push this run home somehow.
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Post by: Playtwo on September 15, 2020, 10:32:43 pm
Walkoff HBP.
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Post by: Tuffy on September 15, 2020, 10:35:04 pm
Contreras gets hit with a pitch, and then Cameron Maybin gets hit with another one, and the winning run is forced in -- Cubs win!
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Post by: craig on September 15, 2020, 10:39:30 pm
Wow.  What a weird 3-game winning streak.  Two 9th inning HR's off Hader?  No-hitter by Mills?  Winning on back-to-back HBP?  What super-rare thing tomorrow? 
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Post by: brjones on September 15, 2020, 10:41:27 pm
Why is Contreras suddenly a HBP magnet this year? His career high is 13 in 138 games, but he already has 10 HBP in 47 games this year. That's 29 HBP pace in 138 games.
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Post by: Reb on September 15, 2020, 10:50:57 pm
Why is Contreras suddenly a HBP magnet this year? His career high is 13 in 138 games, but he already has 10 HBP in 47 games this year. That's 29 HBP pace in 138 games.

Ron Hunt was hit 50 times in 1971. Mind-boggling that a guy can get hit 50 times in one season.

Next highest in modern era since 1900 is 35 HBP in a season (Don Baylor). Not even close.
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Post by: Bennett on September 15, 2020, 11:14:35 pm
https://youtu.be/54IbkrZceys
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Post by: Deeg on September 15, 2020, 11:27:24 pm
I think I'd be ready to roll the dice with Kimbrel as the main closer at this point.  Jeffress' numbers are a mirage - he's doing it with smoke and mirrors and his peripherals are pretty terrifying.
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Post by: craig on September 15, 2020, 11:32:13 pm
That will classify as a blown save, but it also goes as another of their "Cubs win when leading in the 8th" stats, for which they've still only lost once with an 8th inning lead. 
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Post by: Bennett on September 16, 2020, 03:11:56 pm
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Post by: Deeg on September 16, 2020, 04:40:28 pm
One of Yu's runs changed to unearned, ERA down to 1.86.  Shame we blew the win for him.

Jeffress up to 4.49 FIP and 5.13 XFIP.
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Post by: Reb on September 16, 2020, 08:57:19 pm
Jeffress has far outperformed his FIP throughout his career:  3.10 career ERA and 3.66 career FIP.  He really profits from the shift because throws more GBs than average and gets plenty of DPs.

His super low ERA in 2020 was not going to last, but gotta love how he sticks to his game plan and doesn't give in to hitters. Does a really good job staying away from middle of the plate.

Yeah, let’s hope that Kimbrel can regain the closer role but Jeffress has filled in admirably so far and figures to be important rest of the way too in whatever role.
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Post by: Playtwo on September 16, 2020, 09:36:52 pm
Failing to get a run home after second and third with nobody out in the 7th.  Not a formula for winning.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 09:41:22 pm
Maybin with a single, Hoerner follows with a double, nobody out, can’t score.
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Post by: Deeg on September 16, 2020, 09:49:29 pm
Kimbrel looks to be back - no H in 9 of his last 12 appearances and 26 Ks in 14 IP on the season.  He really should be closing at this point.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 09:51:03 pm
Delino Deshields has got to be around 45 years old at least.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 09:55:56 pm
On to the 9th, still at 2 - 2.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 10:17:00 pm
On to the 10th, 2 - 2, should have given Hoerner his at bat.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 10:20:16 pm
Hold up now, Adams pitching for the Cubs but runner on second.  Oh yeah, forgot new rule.
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Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 16, 2020, 10:20:20 pm
David Ross makes some very curious in game moves. Those PH decisions make no sense.
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Post by: JR on September 16, 2020, 10:21:51 pm
Thanks Francona for the out.  My word, Adam didn't throw a pitch anywhere near the zip codes of Chicago to the leadoff guy, and they're bunting right afterwards.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 10:30:00 pm
Adam does his job. Bottom 10, and we get a lead off phantom double to start the bottom half, heart of the lineup up.
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Post by: brjones on September 16, 2020, 10:32:33 pm
The Cubs aren't really going to blow this bases loaded, no out situation, are they?
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Post by: brjones on September 16, 2020, 10:34:48 pm
Contreras and Schwarber K with the bases loaded, Baez up. Yeah, they're going to blow it again.
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Post by: Playtwo on September 16, 2020, 10:34:59 pm
Inability to make contact is just such a big problem for this team.
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Post by: Playtwo on September 16, 2020, 10:35:56 pm
Gotta pull for the HBP.
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Post by: brjones on September 16, 2020, 10:36:10 pm
Javy swinging out of his shoes on the first pitch, which is way up and in.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 10:36:15 pm
Oh brother, up to Baez. C’mon Javy!
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Post by: mO on September 16, 2020, 10:36:57 pm
JAVI!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: brjones on September 16, 2020, 10:37:01 pm
Cubs win! That hit was a huge shock.
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Post by: JR on September 16, 2020, 10:37:05 pm
CUBS WIN!!!!
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Post by: Playtwo on September 16, 2020, 10:37:17 pm
Gave Javy a pitch to hit for some reason.
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Post by: mO on September 16, 2020, 10:37:47 pm
Pulled an 0-2 slider away....how did he do that!?!?!
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Post by: craig on September 16, 2020, 10:37:57 pm
Wow. 
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Post by: craig on September 16, 2020, 10:38:08 pm
What a terrible pitch!
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Post by: CurtOne on September 16, 2020, 10:38:21 pm
Actually they've scored because of contact lately.
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Post by: JR on September 16, 2020, 10:40:20 pm
Pulled an 0-2 slider away....how did he do that!?!?!

Especially with 10 pounds of bling around his neck!
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Post by: Dave23 on September 16, 2020, 10:45:48 pm
Swinging from the heels first two pitches...someone needs to get in his face about that...bash his boom box or something...
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Post by: Reb on September 16, 2020, 10:46:10 pm
Agree with Deeg that another great job by the bullpen tonight.

Five scoreless innings and only hit was the lackadaisical play by Hoerner on the easy Ramirez grounder.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 16, 2020, 10:46:36 pm
First two 94 mph four seamers, third one 76 mph but Baez must be seeing the ball now. Good job Javy! Cubs win!
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Post by: brjones on September 16, 2020, 10:54:17 pm
Cubs magic numbers:

Win the division: 8
Make the playoffs: 5

Also, their magic number to finish with a better record than the Braves is 10, which would likely make them the second seed in the NL. It might actually be 9, because I think I saw a tweet earlier today that said the Cubs would win the first tie breaker if they finish with the same record as the Braves.
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Post by: Deeg on September 16, 2020, 11:06:55 pm
Gave Javy a pitch to hit for some reason.

That wasn't a bad pitch at all, actually.
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Post by: Reb on September 16, 2020, 11:24:00 pm
It was a bad pitch for an 0-2 count—-giving Baez something he could reach.

Guessing that Maton would tell you ball not where Maton wanted it in that count.
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Post by: Reb on September 16, 2020, 11:32:42 pm
David Ross makes some very curious in game moves. Those PH decisions make no sense.

Quantrill has huge career splits, so lefty Kipnis for righty Maybin is a good move there.

I wonder if pinch-hitting Vargas for Hoerner had something to do with Hoerner’s lackadaisical play in top of the inning on the Ramirez grounder. Sending a message to the youngster, maybe? In any case, Vargas gave Ross another lefty v. righty there but that’s Vargas’ weaker side.
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Post by: Bennett on September 16, 2020, 11:41:47 pm
https://youtu.be/LLJDFLKPwVU
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Post by: craig on September 16, 2020, 11:43:10 pm
It was a bad pitch for an 0-2 count—-giving Baez something he could reach.

Guessing that Maton would tell you ball not where Maton wanted it in that count.
Yeah.  Javy looked to have no chance against the fastball, and was swinging very aggressively.  Should throw a chase pitch, not a strike.  And certainly not an off-speed strike.  Throw chase-pitch offspeed, or a chase fastball up. 
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Post by: Deeg on September 17, 2020, 01:00:16 am
Yeah.  Javy looked to have no chance against the fastball, and was swinging very aggressively.  Should throw a chase pitch, not a strike.  And certainly not an off-speed strike.  Throw chase-pitch offspeed, or a chase fastball up. 

Wasn't a strike though - it was a good six inches off the corner.  Not a lot of guys could do anything with that pitch, but unfortunately for Maton Javy is one of them.  Just because of how aggressive he is it would have been smarter to bury that pitch in the dirt (if you trust your catcher) but it wasn't a bad pitch.  Just not perfect.
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Post by: Reb on September 17, 2020, 01:43:17 am
It might be a good pitch in, say, a 2-2 count. Context is important. The count is sacred in baseball and has a lot to with how a player should proceed.

Throwing Baez a breaking ball he can reach 0-2 is a bad pitch in this context. Very doubtful that Maton intended that pitch to be where it was.
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Post by: craig on September 17, 2020, 08:03:34 am
Quantrill has huge career splits, so lefty Kipnis for righty Maybin is a good move there.

I wonder if pinch-hitting Vargas for Hoerner had something to do with Hoerner’s lackadaisical play in top of the inning on the Ramirez grounder. Sending a message to the youngster, maybe? In any case, Vargas gave Ross another lefty v. righty there but that’s Vargas’ weaker side.

Yeah, I think the moves could be explained entirely on basis of lefty-righty. 

But that was a really bad, unaware play by Hoerner.  Not sure if good ones have some peripheral vision that guides, or just scouting-report mental clock, or what.  But it's pretty rare to see a flagrant blunder like that in mlb.  A great learning opportunity for a young player, and kind of great to have that happen without actually costing a run or a win. 

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Post by: CurtOne on September 17, 2020, 08:17:54 am
I didn't see the blunder.  Is a video available somewhere?
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Post by: Dave23 on September 17, 2020, 09:10:11 am
You're both right. It was a very good 0-2 pitch to just about any hitter except Javy. Another high fastball or a slider low and away in the dirt, and he likely K's swinging.

Curt, it was a routine grounder to Hoerner in short RF. He fielded it cleanly, then gave it a glove tap, a crow hop, and then made the throw. Ramirez was busting it the whole way. Hoerner thought he had more time than he did. Most runners probably aren't killing it down the line on a ball like that...Ramirez was.
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Post by: CurtOne on September 17, 2020, 09:28:32 am
Thanks, Dave.
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Post by: craig on September 17, 2020, 11:46:36 am
Yeah, Hoerner just wasn't aware.  Rizzo or Schwarber hit the same ball, they're out by plenty and he's got no reason to be alert or to hurry.  But Ramirez is really really fast, and Hoerner just had no awareness.  Often an infielder can kind of see the runner's progress and realize if he doesn't have time for taps and crow hops; and if you know it's a basestealing speedster rather than a Rizzo, you know you're going to need to be alert. 

Ramirez is very fast with 30+ stolen base season, and as the leadoff guy and the winning run, he might perhaps have then stolen 2nd besides.  Fortunately he didn't steal, and Jeffress buzzed the next three guys no problem, so no harm was done.  But it really was a clueless blunder by Hoerner.  Good learning lesson that occurred at no cost. 
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Post by: Playtwo on September 17, 2020, 12:08:09 pm
A failure by Hoerner to pay attention to scouting info?
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Post by: Dave23 on September 17, 2020, 12:40:46 pm
Mostly just a lesson learned...
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 17, 2020, 08:48:01 pm
He’ll learn it. It will stick in his craw. This Hoerner is a baseball player, make no bones about it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 17, 2020, 10:20:32 pm
A baseball player with a .678 career OPS.

I like Nico and I think he has a chance to be a decent squad player, but fans (and GMs) sometimes tend to fall in love with the gritty, hard-nosed mythology.  Fact is Hoerner is a guy without a lot of power or speed and until this season, rarely walked (which is certainly a positive development).  Like Almora he has very little margin for error if he's going to be a starting-caliber player.  On the plus side the attributes he brings are ones the Cubs have in short supply - contact, situational awareness - which probably makes him more valuable to us (as currently constructed) than he would be to most teams.
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Post by: Reb on September 18, 2020, 12:00:50 am

.....I like Nico and I think he has a chance to be a decent squad player....

Squad player? Isn’t that a football term?

I guess, in baseball terms, you mean bench guy. Way, way, way too early to make that kind of judgment about Hoerner—a guy with less than 200 PAs in majors and less than 600 as a pro.

He’s a work in progress offensively. Think it was impressive that he had a .150 iso at the Cape when he was in college (using wood bat for first time). Seems to have good awareness of how pitchers are working him (unlike, say, Almora) and seems a confident guy.

I have no idea how’ll he’ll pan out in the end but bench guy is his floor, not his ceiling.
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Post by: Deeg on September 18, 2020, 12:31:51 am
His floor is Almora.  A guy with limited physical skills who's good enough to be a bench/platoon guy for a year or two but never develops and eventually turns into a AAAA player.

I think Hoerner is likely to be better than Almora.  His seeming awareness that a hitter like him has to take some walks already sets him apart from Almora.  A .793 minors OPS doesn't exactly inspire predictions of offensive stardom, though it was only 400 ABs.  He was probably rushed to the majors, which didn't help.

ZIPS has Hoerner in the .720-730 range for the next three seasons.  That's only a projection but for a guy who doesn't figure to hit many HRs or draw all that many walks, that might not be unrealistic.  A .720 OPS guy is not a clear starter, much less a difference maker, no matter how much grit and "intangibles" the press ascribes to him.  We can always hope he becomes more than that, and maybe he will, but he does share some unfortunate similarities to Almora in his offensive profile.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Reb on September 18, 2020, 01:08:18 am
I don’t see Hoerner as similar to Almora.

Almora’s problems, I think, are mostly about baseball aptitude vis a vis pitchers and dealing (poorly) with stress. Confidence issues. Seems like he almost wants his ABs to get over with at times. Pitchers out-think him consistently. His on-field demeanor tends to be poor. Physically and tools-wise, he should be a good offensive player. But, at the major league level, you have to have the baseball acumen and confidence to do well. Maybe Almora will overcome these issues at some point, but doesn’t look good now.

Hoerner seems different based on our limited looks. Has really good demeanor on the field. Seems to be attempting to figure out what pitchers are doing. Is a tough out, even if the AB doesn’t end well. I just don’t see the tactical and confidence flaws that have plagued Almora.

Put another way, think that Hoerner had a much higher chance to reach his upside than Almora. You can call these traits “intangibles” but they are a huge part of success/failure at this level. The difficulty is that hard to know what a player’s intangibles really are. Can he figure out what pitchers are doing to him and adjust? And then readjust again? Deal with setbacks like a pro does?

All we have early-on are clues. Think maybe that Hoerner has what it takes to reach his potential.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 18, 2020, 08:45:55 am
Albert Almora

2016   .277/.308/.455
2017   .298/.338/.445
2018   .286/.323/.378

May 19, 2019 two-year-old girl suffers a skull fracture after being struck by an Almora foul ball in Houston

2019   .236/.271/.381

January 8, 2020 - announced that the two-year-old girl has a permanent
brain injury

2020   .167/.265/.200 - limited at bats
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 18, 2020, 08:47:53 am
Albert Almora

2016   .277/.308/.455
2017   .298/.338/.445
2018   .286/.323/.378

May 19, 2019 two-year-old girl suffers a skull fracture after being struck by an Almora foul ball in Houston

2019   .236/.271/.381

January 8, 2020 - announced that the two-year-old girl has a permanent
brain injury

2020   .167/.265/.200 - limited at bats
  I've speculated the same, Bennett
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 18, 2020, 02:01:39 pm
Ryno only hit a handful of homers in his first two seasons.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 18, 2020, 03:10:19 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 18, 2020, 08:15:54 pm
Schwarber doesn't get first base on a HBP because the umpire decided he didn't try to get out of the way, then he Ks on the next pitch.

That rule needs to be taken off the books. It's so arbitrary when they call it once or twice a season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 18, 2020, 08:18:15 pm
Edman and Bader make a living out of not getting out of the way of pitches.

Arbitrary is an understatement.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 18, 2020, 08:22:16 pm
This is Angel Hernandez we're talking about.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 18, 2020, 08:55:31 pm
Bigger question: why are Schwarber and Kipnis in the lineup against a curveballing lefty?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 18, 2020, 09:06:31 pm
This game is really cruising along.  No hard contact for anybody.  Hendricks is really cruising.  10 K's through 7, 95 pitches.  One more inning for Kyle?  Got his ERA down under 3. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 18, 2020, 09:11:27 pm
Bottom of the 6th, Schwarber reached with 2 outs.  Ross pinch-ran Hamilton.  Didn't try to steal, and Baez promptly K'd anyway. 

I kinda regret needing to burn Hamilton; I'd kinda like to save him in case you go to extra innings, and to pinch-run him for the 2nd-base guy. 

But the Maybin-Hamilton-Heyward outfield is really good defensively. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 18, 2020, 09:17:55 pm
104 pitches through 8 for Hendricks. I'd be tempted to send him out for the 9th. He still looked sharp that inning, and he hasn't thrown a stressful pitch tonight (except for maybe in the first inning).
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 18, 2020, 09:18:50 pm
Time to put Kimbrel to the test?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 18, 2020, 09:39:03 pm
Twins lead off with speedster Buxton.  He's only walked once all season, but Jeffress makes it #2. 
Title: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 18, 2020, 09:41:05 pm
Wow! Nice 4-6-3!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 18, 2020, 09:41:20 pm
Nice! 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 18, 2020, 09:46:59 pm
Jeffress is all smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 18, 2020, 10:29:22 pm
Kimbrel should be closing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 18, 2020, 10:34:25 pm
That’s it?  What happened? Did Jeffress close out the game?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 18, 2020, 11:33:59 pm
Jeffress is not 1.69 ERA-type good, of course.

But, the guy sure has a plan out there. Tonight, he threw nothing above the belt in the zone, except for two pitches right on the black. He walks guys but with very good command of his pitches—staying away from the hitting zone. That was one tough lineup had to get through in the 9th.

If he starts to make mistakes in the zone going forward, he’ll be in trouble. But, he kind of reminds me of Earl Weaver’s closer in the late 70s, Don “Full Pack” Stanhouse, who walked guys but didn’t give in to hitters and closed out games well enough to win a pennant in 1979.

Lots of guys throwing well in Cubs bullpen right now.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 19, 2020, 12:15:09 am
https://youtu.be/dj0rWOAYnD8
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 19, 2020, 03:18:05 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 19, 2020, 07:13:43 pm
The Notorious RBG was a big baseball fan and visited Cooperstown a number of times.

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 19, 2020, 07:20:54 pm
RBG was such a mensch even that ill-tempered old fascist Scalia loved her.  But she really should have retired in 2015 and done the right thing for the country.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 19, 2020, 07:50:05 pm
Please keep the hyper-partisan garbage in the thread it belongs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 19, 2020, 08:52:50 pm
Mills has been terrific through five but the offense is MIA again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 19, 2020, 09:23:10 pm
Clown car 7th inning for the Cubs, this is about to be a Twins blowout.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 19, 2020, 10:06:01 pm
At some point, they're going to at least move Bryant down in the lineup, right? He's not a major league player right now, Bote should be playing ahead of him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 19, 2020, 10:42:44 pm
At some point, they're going to at least move Bryant down in the lineup, right? He's not a major league player right now, Bote should be playing ahead of him.
    He's my favorite player, but he is badly broken right now.  I think Bote should be at third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 19, 2020, 11:11:10 pm
Bryant has 133 PAs and 5 RBIs.

That’s pretty remarkable.

He flied out to left-center tonight on a pitch that I’m guessing he knew he normally would have crushed way out into the bleachers.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 20, 2020, 12:18:21 am
https://youtu.be/jQt_8sm0ipY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 20, 2020, 02:44:26 pm
Last time on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball?

Cubs - two weeks ago
Twins - it’s been ten years

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 03:24:28 pm
That’s hard to believe.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 06:37:57 pm
Bryant with a base hit, 2 out, Schwarber up, batting 192, well now less than that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on September 20, 2020, 07:21:33 pm
Bryant is a mess. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 07:23:23 pm
Kipnis with a lead off single, bottom third 2 - 0 Twins, Happ strikes out, Rizzo with a hit and makes it to second on a throw to third late, Bryant strikes out, Maybin grounds out to short, same ol’ same ol’.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 07:41:16 pm
Contreras with a lead off double, to third on a ground out by Heyward, thrown out easy trying to score on I forget and three outs now and inning over, top 5, 2 - 0 Twins.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 07:52:42 pm
Bottom 5, I can smell a run here, but Kipnis strikes out, Happ grounds out to short, Rizzo grounds out to second.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 08:03:06 pm
Yu with wild pitch but gets out of inning. Twins strand a runner at third. Okay, are we men or mouses? Let’s get some runs!!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 20, 2020, 08:08:29 pm
Mouses?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 08:10:29 pm
No, no runs, took seven pitches to retire the side , 2 - 0 Twins top of 7, Yu with 92 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 20, 2020, 08:11:25 pm
Bottom 5, I can smell a run here, but Kipnis strikes out, Happ grounds out to short, Rizzo grounds out to second.

I don’t think that was what you were smelling.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 20, 2020, 08:15:07 pm
Hitters now sitting on first pitch breaking ball in the zone and hurting Darvish.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 08:17:06 pm
You ain’t lying there Deeg, one of those silent ones, now it’s 4 - 0 Twins and Darvish coming out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 20, 2020, 08:21:40 pm
Happ hitting .160 with a .550 OPS his last 60+ PA.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 08:53:28 pm
Now here comes Bryant but he lines out to center to end the inning. Gonna take a miracle to win this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 20, 2020, 09:13:31 pm
Baez pops it up. 12 million and he pops it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 21, 2020, 02:27:11 pm
Bryant dropped to fifth

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Robb on September 21, 2020, 03:44:46 pm
Perhaps they should drop him to waterboy until he is healed up or the season is done.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 07:31:59 pm
Bryant injured again on a swing, out of the game.  Just shut him down for the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 21, 2020, 07:36:45 pm
The Pirates' leadoff man walks on a 13-pitch at-bat, but we get a lineout to center from Stallings and a grounder to Baez from Frazier, and Javy tags the runner himself and still gets the throw over to first to complete the double play.

Cubs still lead 2-0 after five.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 07:50:25 pm
Heh, Javy letting Osuna have it pretty good for that slide that came up six feet short.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 08:11:14 pm
Boy, the Pirates are bad.  The cure for what ails ya.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 21, 2020, 08:20:48 pm
Martinez looks a lot better.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 21, 2020, 08:21:02 pm
This team used to have an offense. Am I not correct about that?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 21, 2020, 08:22:12 pm
Gotta wonder if he isn't a Cardinal mole.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 21, 2020, 08:34:36 pm
With Rizzo on first, Contreras comes back from a close call on a checked swing to draw a walk, then Schwarber doubles them both in to make it 4-0.

Hamilton pinch-runs for Schwarber.  Going back to the dugout, he's all smiles, so Ross must be happy with him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 21, 2020, 08:35:48 pm
Bote plunks a broken-bat single to left and Hamilton comes in to score.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 21, 2020, 08:39:45 pm
J-Hey continues the two-out offensive explosion with another hit; Bote goes to third.

Tropeano coming in to pitch.

And KC has tied their game with the Cardinals; good news.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 08:50:05 pm
LOL, Jeffress giving up at-em rockets.  Story of his smoke and mirrors season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 08:51:52 pm
Now a home run-length foul.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 08:58:13 pm
Why wouldn't you give Kimbrel an inning here?  He's been good lately and he's pitched once in 10 days.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 21, 2020, 09:07:22 pm
Why wouldn't you give Kimbrel an inning here?  He's been good lately and he's pitched once in 10 days.

I think Ross was going to give him the 9th to save, but then the Cubs broke it open.  He's been pitching the 8th in close games with leads; but with 2-0 lead Ross was instead warming Jeffress to pitch the 8th.  I assume if the Cubs hadn't scored the extra 3 runs with two outs in top 8th, it would have been Kimbrel to save the 9th had it stayed 2-0.  Maybe tomorrow!  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 21, 2020, 09:10:07 pm
Cubs win; KC has taken the lead on St. Louis in the late innings.  Hope they hold on.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 09:12:22 pm
I think Ross was going to give him the 9th to save, but then the Cubs broke it open.  He's been pitching the 8th in close games with leads; but with 2-0 lead Ross was instead warming Jeffress to pitch the 8th.  I assume if the Cubs hadn't scored the extra 3 runs with two outs in top 8th, it would have been Kimbrel to save the 9th had it stayed 2-0.  Maybe tomorrow!  :)

Again - once in ten days.  Why not get him an inning?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 21, 2020, 10:04:12 pm
LOL, Jeffress giving up at-em rockets.  Story of his smoke and mirrors season.

As Deeg notes, another great game for Cubs bullpen with three hitless/scoreless innings and, by far, best bullpen ERA in the majors for September so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 21, 2020, 10:34:23 pm
https://youtu.be/ClNQYuRcTtg
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 21, 2020, 10:35:41 pm
Keep using Jeffess in high leverage spots until his luck runs out.  A winning strategy.

It's not as if you're not going to use Jeffress in late-inning situations, but refusing to acknowledge just how lucky he's been is baffling.  And if you're going to pay Kimbrel $20 million and not use him as closer when he's throwing the ball the best he has since the first half of the '18 season, what point is there in pretending you have any trust in him at all?

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 22, 2020, 07:37:05 am
Speculation is that Kimbrel is now the closer and last night's game didn't provide an opportunity for him to close.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 22, 2020, 09:25:00 am
Speculation is that Kimbrel is now the closer and last night's game didn't provide an opportunity for him to close.

Yes, that's certainly my take from yesterday, as I'd posted earlier.  For weeks Jeffress has been 9th inning, with Kimbrel pitching 8th with modest leads.  To my recall the only other guy who's been used in those situations has been now-gone Wick.  But yesterday with 2-run 8th-inning lead, in what has been a Kimbrel inning, Ross instead went to Jeffress.  Pretty obvious that Kimbrel was going to pitch the 9th, prior to the Cubs padding 3 extra runs on. 

deeg is right, Wednesday's outing is Kimbrel's only appearance in ten days.  Since Wednesday, opportunity hasn't matched Ross's usage plan.  Thursday off; Hendricks went 8 on Friday, and Ross hadn't reversed the Kimbrel/Jeffress roles yet then, so Jeffress still got the 9th on friday.  Then Sat and Sun were losses.  I'm guessing it was after Friday night's game that Ross made the decision to flip the roles.  I kind of resonate with deeg's thought, that sitting Kimbrel too long is iffy.  Wildman is his risk, so when he comes into a tight save situation, with all the adrenalin rushing, and without having pitched since Wednesday, that almost heightens the risk that he'll be so over-amped that he'll overthrow and revert to wildman and make everybody nervous again.  Hopefully the Cubs are positioned with a save situation tonight, and he's able to locate and make it non-stressful. 

To some degree I think Ross's overall handling of this has been reasonable.  he didn't lock into Kimbrell and force him to keep pitching save situations even when his mechanics and confidence were unready.  He never announced Jeffress as closer.  I think in retrospect it was wise to take it slow with Kimbrell and let him stack some successful innings.  And I think it's wise, too, that he's not locking onto Jeffress as closer, and isnt waiting for some dramatic blown save to make the switch.  With playoffs approaching, Kimbrel will maybe get a couple of save opportunities first, and might then be positioned to be effective in playoffs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 22, 2020, 02:41:26 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 22, 2020, 04:06:24 pm
Lineup against lineup, that’s a great addition, thanks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 22, 2020, 04:26:45 pm
Brault going tonight for Bucs. I watched part of his most recent outing in which he pitched a 2-hit complete game against Cards. After the last out, his teammates were all over him. You’d think he pitched a no-hitter or the like. Obviously, a very popular guy in their clubhouse.

Afterward, Brault did one of those on-field interviews and was asked if he wanted to say anything to family and friends about his complete game feat. He shrugged and laughed and said, hey, did I win an Oscar or something? Seems like he’s a cool guy.

Hope Cubs can bomb him tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 22, 2020, 07:09:44 pm
Runners on first and second nobody out for Cubs and Baez hits into a double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 22, 2020, 07:10:00 pm
Contreras and Rizzo get hit by pitches to start the 4th, then Baez promptly GIDP and Schwarber K's. No hits against Brault yet.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 22, 2020, 07:29:44 pm
Martinez flies out instead of grounding out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 22, 2020, 07:39:37 pm
Baby steps.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 22, 2020, 07:48:27 pm
Martinez now 0-19.

Cubs with two singles in 6 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 22, 2020, 08:00:17 pm
At least Alzolay pitched well. It's the Pirates, but still.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 22, 2020, 08:31:54 pm
Does Kimbrel's supposed closer status allow him to pitch in a tie game?  Is there some sort of "emergency break glass" hammer involved?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 22, 2020, 08:33:42 pm
Rizzo with a two run home run to tie the game, if you can believe that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 22, 2020, 08:38:15 pm
Rizzo’s first HR this season with a runner on base...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 22, 2020, 08:51:15 pm
I haven't bought milk lately - anyone seen Kimbrel?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 22, 2020, 08:54:42 pm
Chafin did his Kimbrel impression if that counts.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 22, 2020, 08:58:44 pm
Maybe he's injured and they're hiding it?  It's the only explanation that makes sense apart from the really disquieting one that Ross is totally clueless.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 22, 2020, 11:16:47 pm
https://youtu.be/Ax8019nLybE
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 23, 2020, 02:27:00 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 23, 2020, 06:30:55 pm
Counting Stallings last night, that's  3 straight home runs
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 23, 2020, 06:43:54 pm
And 2 straight homers for Rizzo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 23, 2020, 07:03:23 pm
Happ was .149-216-170 over the last two weeks (before tonight).
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 23, 2020, 07:29:32 pm
Williams had a 6.70 ERA and 1.63 WHIP coming in. The Cubs have two hits off him in 5 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 23, 2020, 07:36:57 pm
And we might play the Dodgers? Down the line? Fat chance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 23, 2020, 08:05:22 pm
The DraftKings guy on MLBN this morning recommended everyone load their lineups with Cubs vs. Trevor Williams.

His last 6 starts:

31 IP, 41 hits, 28 ER, 12 HRA
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 23, 2020, 08:24:51 pm
Let’s see the new guys come through here. How about a steal for Billy and an RBI from Maybin?


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 23, 2020, 08:26:11 pm
Or not. Up to Heyward now w Hamilton still on first.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 23, 2020, 08:28:28 pm
Now the steal. Come on, J-Hey. Tie this thing up.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 23, 2020, 08:31:05 pm
0-6 w/ RISP.

But the Pirates are 0-1. Must not be important.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 23, 2020, 08:40:28 pm
It might just be me, but Heyward looked a little casual coming to get that grounder with Frazier going to 3rd...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 23, 2020, 08:41:22 pm
I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 23, 2020, 08:42:02 pm
With one out to go in the eighth Hendricks is being lifted in favor of Kimbrel.

It feels like Hendricks gets deprived of a lot of CGs in the last inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 23, 2020, 08:55:02 pm
Javy sends a message and strikes out to begin the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 23, 2020, 08:57:33 pm
He doesn't strike out, he flails out...regularly.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 23, 2020, 09:03:36 pm
Kipnis has an infield hit to keep us alive, and Hoerner pinch runs and steals second.

KC has opened up a 10-1 lead on the Cardinals, so we won't lose ground to them.  We're really limping to the finish line in this division.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 23, 2020, 09:04:23 pm
With this offense, I expect the postseason to look a lot like the 2008 postseason for the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 23, 2020, 09:04:59 pm
Our offense seriously sucks right now.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 23, 2020, 09:05:45 pm
BROKEN
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 23, 2020, 09:06:12 pm
It really is frustrating that the front office never did anything significant to shake up this offense over the last 4 years. It's been the same thing over and over again. It's really the biggest black mark on their tenure with the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 23, 2020, 09:06:51 pm
As frustrating as having no offense is, it's still better than blowing late leads all the time like we did last September.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 23, 2020, 09:08:04 pm
Happ, last time I looked was close to or above 300, now he’s hovering around 250.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 23, 2020, 09:15:13 pm
As frustrating as having no offense is, it's still better than blowing late leads all the time like we did last September.
. Not true.  Theo swore changes would be made.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 23, 2020, 11:20:22 pm
On the plus side, Kimbrel pitched to one batter.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 24, 2020, 12:14:05 am
Tonight's highlights link?

If you saw it the first time, you don't want to see it again.  If you missed it, you made the right move.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 01:07:39 am
It really is frustrating that the front office never did anything significant to shake up this offense over the last 4 years. It's been the same thing over and over again. It's really the biggest black mark on their tenure with the Cubs.

From 2017-2019, Cubs were 3rd in total runs scored in the NL——not counting the Rockies who are an outlier for obvious reasons. Only L.A. and Nats scored more. Not to mention the excellent 2016 offense.

Don’t let the 2020 offensive woes cloud the facts.

Also, keep in mind that 2020 is a 60-game season, not 162. Basically, we’re in early June in a normal year and there would be time to turn the offense around.

The good thing now is that Cubs standards are so high after a World Championship that the 2017-2019 showing is considered by some as a black mark. A remarkable change of attitude—for the good—for those of us who have been around for awhile!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 24, 2020, 08:06:18 am
Quote
From 2017-2019, Cubs were 3rd in total runs scored in the NL

Oh they CAN score runs.  In bunches.  They can win games 15-1, 8-2, 10-0 and then get shut down for a couple of weeks where they are lucky to score 1 or 2 runs.

Inconsistency is the only constant I have seen with this offense the last few years.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 24, 2020, 09:39:54 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on September 24, 2020, 09:39:58 am
. Not true.  Theo swore changes would be made.

Changes WERE made.  They got worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 24, 2020, 10:19:19 am
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  16m
Ross: Happ tweaked ankle on bag yesterday. making sure he's OK is important.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 24, 2020, 11:58:55 am
Does Maybin have a reputation as a good glove in the OF?

He looks shaky to me on every ball I see hit to him...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: BearHit on September 24, 2020, 12:26:05 pm
Is Rizzo still the greatest leadoff hitter ever?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 12:43:06 pm
Oh they CAN score runs.  In bunches.  They can win games 15-1, 8-2, 10-0 and then get shut down for a couple of weeks where they are lucky to score 1 or 2 runs.

Inconsistency is the only constant I have seen with this offense the last few years.

EVERY good offense does that in the majors. There’s no evidence that over a three-year period from 2017-2019, Cubs were unusual in that regard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 24, 2020, 02:00:49 pm
Granted this is only a 60 game season, but the tendency for the Cubs' offense to collapse toward the end of the season, whatever its length, the last three seasons (including this one) certainly feels like a trend.  And a weird one at that. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 24, 2020, 02:05:29 pm
Cubs are getting no hit through 5 by the great Chad Kuhl.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 24, 2020, 02:12:48 pm
These guys suck.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 24, 2020, 02:13:29 pm
Seems like the Cubs used up all of their "rising to the occasion" chips in 2016.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 24, 2020, 02:28:05 pm
oy vey
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 24, 2020, 02:31:50 pm
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-Reb
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 24, 2020, 02:42:40 pm
Pirates just lost a strike because the catcher took a perfect pitch at the knees and yanked it up into the middle of the plate, rather than holding it in place for the ump to see.

Bizarro-framing...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 24, 2020, 02:54:29 pm
heh, in July and most of August, my wife couldn't wait to watch the Cubs.  Lately she asks if we can watch something on Netflix or Roku instead.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 03:18:40 pm
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-Reb

Try responding with facts instead of an insult or misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 24, 2020, 03:23:02 pm
Things are sure ugly right now. Hopefully they can find some hot hitters next week. I keep expecting a couple of the big boys to get going but it just hasn’t happened.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 24, 2020, 03:25:01 pm
10 runs in our last 7 games...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 03:38:55 pm
Sharma pointed this out on his Twitter account yesterday: since August 1, Cubs are #26 in majors in wRC+. (It might be lower after the Wednesday/Thursday games too).

Kind of flip-side of bullpen turnaround since August 1.

Baez numbers are now very similar to his partial rookie season when he had huge contact issues. But, he has a track record since then—so would call what he’s doing as inexplicable, except that the inexplicable happens in baseball sometimes.

Bryant not even a replacement level player in 2020. Go figure.

Schwarber, after a tremendous 2nd half in 2019, looks like a 1950s-type Cubs OFer this season.

Caratini has hit nothing since his good early start. Happ and Contreras struggling lately.

Some of this would be an element of a 162 game season, but can’t hide in a 60 game season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 24, 2020, 03:40:46 pm
What's the record since the no-no?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 03:50:03 pm
Granted this is only a 60 game season, but the tendency for the Cubs' offense to collapse toward the end of the season, whatever its length, the last three seasons (including this one) certainly feels like a trend.  And a weird one at that.

Maybe you’re thinking of smaller sample sizes, but in 2019 September was Cubs highest scoring month of the season. In 2017, August and September were the two highest scoring months. Only in 2018 was September a low month (2nd lowest).
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 04:00:52 pm
According to Baseball Ref, Cubs have 2.7 oWAR this season.

Heyward has 1.5 of that and Happ has 1.3.

Do the math on rest of the club in the aggregate.

And think about where we would have ranked Heyward/Happ offensively on this club going INTO this season.

So, what has happened to the usual offensive impact guys taken together is off the charts weird.

Far more likely to happen in a 60-game season than a 162 game season. But, that’s 2020 baseball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 24, 2020, 04:12:08 pm
Embarrassing

https://youtu.be/d2uTm7K0uI4
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 04:17:28 pm
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

Ross: "We're going to throw this one in the trash and start new tomorrow."
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 24, 2020, 04:53:53 pm
Maybe you’re thinking of smaller sample sizes, but in 2019 September was Cubs highest scoring month of the season. In 2017, August and September were the two highest scoring months. Only in 2018 was September a low month (2nd lowest).

Thanks for the correction. So I guess it was the pitching that collapsed in 2019?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 24, 2020, 04:55:13 pm
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian

Ross: "We're going to throw this one in the trash and start new tomorrow."

I'm not sure they are allowed to do that.   ;)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 05:01:27 pm
Thanks for the correction. So I guess it was the pitching that collapsed in 2019?

August and September ERAs were the two worst months of the 2019 season. Bullpen was okay but the starting pitchers were terrible those months.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 24, 2020, 05:02:59 pm
Thanks for the correction. So I guess it was the pitching that collapsed in 2019?

Happ and Schwarber had huge months last September, as I recall.  Q was horrific, and IIRC Lester was very bad too. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 05:07:27 pm
Mills had as many swings-and-misses today as he did in his no-hitter.

Baseball is a weird game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 24, 2020, 05:13:42 pm
Happ and Schwarber had huge months last September, as I recall.  Q was horrific, and IIRC Lester was very bad too.

Schwarber had an OPS of .978 in August of 2019 and 1.100 in September.

Schwarber’s regression in 2020 is very disappointing.  Thought he had turned the corner but apparently not.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 08:53:13 am
The Friday night game with the White Sox is scheduled to be on ESPN2.  Check your local listings.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on September 25, 2020, 09:30:11 am
Win one this weekend and hope the Brewers can beat the Cardinals at least once.  I think the Cardinals will end up winning the division if it is a tie.  They will have a slightly better winning percentage having played two fewer games, but they will also own the tie breaker in the record the last 20 games. 

Hopefully we can win the division because I am not sure there will be much to celebrate after that. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 25, 2020, 09:35:00 am
PR, the only way the Cubs get win is if Brewers can win 2 and COVID cancels the White Sox series.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 09:43:38 am
Win one this weekend and hope the Brewers can beat the Cardinals at least once.  I think the Cardinals will end up winning the division if it is a tie.  They will have a slightly better winning percentage having played two fewer games, but they will also own the tie breaker in the record the last 20 games. 

Hopefully we can win the division because I am not sure there will be much to celebrate after that. 

Won't those two missing games have to be made up?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 09:48:08 am
https://www.sportscasting.com/how-will-the-st-louis-cardinals-playing-just-58-games-affect-the-national-league-playoff-picture/

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But even with all of that, the Cardinals will have played just 58 games when the season comes to a close on Sunday. During the team’s COVID-19 outbreak, a two-game series in Detroit against the Tigers was postponed, rescheduled, rearranged, and then ultimately dropped from the schedule as the league felt that 58 games would be enough. But with the Cardinals battling with numerous teams in the National League for a playoff spot, those two games may have to be played as a doubleheader on Monday to determine the NL postseason bracket. But there’s also a chance that St. Louis will only have to play one of those games. And there’s also a chance that those games won’t have to be played at all.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 12:04:49 pm
Lots of goose eggs lately. Harry would  often say, “You can’t win the game, Steve, if you don’t score a run.” Let’s get some runs,
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 12:28:45 pm
ESPN2, yes, thanks Bennett, I read ESPNplus and was bummed out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on September 25, 2020, 01:25:09 pm
I thought the magic number was 2 but I guess it is actually 3.  I would bet a lot of money on the Cardinals winning the division.  Cubs need to win one game this weekend (I doubt they will win 2) and the Cardinals need to lose 2. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 25, 2020, 02:05:00 pm
I thought the magic number was 2 but I guess it is actually 3.  I would bet a lot of money on the Cardinals winning the division.  Cubs need to win one game this weekend (I doubt they will win 2) and the Cardinals need to lose 2. 

If the division champion is determined merely by winning percentage and one of the teams is ahead only because it played fewer games due to positive tests, that strikes me as an absurd outcome. That team is in effect being rewarded for having lost games due to positive tests.  Or to put it another way the team that had no positive tests is being penalized for that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on September 25, 2020, 02:23:28 pm
If not winning percentage, the main tie breaker is head to head which is tied.  Second tie breaker I believe is the last 20 games.  Needless to say, the Cardinals will have a better record in the last 20 if there is a tie. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 25, 2020, 02:30:06 pm
If not winning percentage, the


 Needless to say, the Cardinals will have a better record in the last 20 if there is a tie. 
Who doesn't?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 03:17:41 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 25, 2020, 03:54:43 pm
If not winning percentage, the main tie breaker is head to head which is tied.  Second tie breaker I believe is the last 20 games.  Needless to say, the Cardinals will have a better record in the last 20 if there is a tie. 

The only way the Cards can tie the Cubs in wins is if the Cubs lose all 3 remaining games and the Cards win all 4 of their remaining games.  So if the Cubs win 1 game from the Sox, and the Cards do not have to make up the games lost to having players who were infected, then the only way the Cubs would not win the division is by using winning percentage.

If the Cubs finish with 33 wins (55% winning %age), the Cards would have a better winning percentage if they win all 4 of their remaining games (55.17%). But to give them the division title under that scenario would, in effect, reward them for having had players infected, by assuming that they would have won at least one of those two remaining games to tie the Cubs or two of those games to have a better winning percentage than the Cubs.

Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 04:34:33 pm
Hoerner at third. He better start to hit for power if he’s going to play that position. Starting tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 04:41:29 pm
Hoerner at third. He better start to hit for power if he’s going to play that position. Starting tonight.
Bote has a bad wheel.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 04:44:08 pm
Scott Merkin  @scottmerkin  48m
Per Renteria, Jimenez will be off his feet for a few days. He's not expected to play this weekend


Mid foot sprain.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 06:29:50 pm
Cardinals lose game 1 of their double header, Cubs magic number is 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 06:47:25 pm
Good news there!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 06:52:57 pm
Guaranteed Rate Field? What kind of name is that for a baseball diamond?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 07:05:06 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EizKW7BXkAQoLQd?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 25, 2020, 07:31:11 pm
Len and JD have not traveled with the Cubs this year.  Are they doing tonight's game from Wrigley or the south side?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 07:41:27 pm
Schwarber opposite field dinger, 1 - 0 Cubs bottom 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 25, 2020, 07:58:05 pm
Darvish really needs to earn that ace label tonight, because you have to figure we aren't winning any of the next two.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 25, 2020, 08:01:16 pm
Thats like a week's worth of offense on one swing.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 08:07:13 pm
Wilson C with a 3 run homer to the opposite field, 4 - 0 Cubs at Guaranteed Rate Field bottom 3, Nico walked and scored. 27 pitches thru 2 for Darvish.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 25, 2020, 08:07:56 pm
You worry about Darvish' neck muscles when he starts shaking off, because that could go on for a while with his arsenal.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 25, 2020, 08:18:54 pm
Anderson really did Yu a favor chasing the first pitch after two long ABs.  The 98 on the K to Moncarda.  The velocity spike has really been remarkable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 08:27:23 pm
Baez gets one Finally in his wheelhouse and drives it to left center for a HR, 5 - 0 Cubs bottom 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 25, 2020, 08:32:18 pm
Love Javy checking to see if Abreu was running out that popup.  He's an expert on that topic of course.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 25, 2020, 08:36:02 pm
That 0-1 slider to Encarnacion was unbelievably nasty.  Then a flat miss on 0-2 with the same pitch, but down the middle.  When you have 10 pitches and any one of them can break the hitter's ankles, you can get away with more misses.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 08:40:54 pm
Cardinals up 5-0 in game 2, so the Cubs probably aren't clinching tonight. But as long as they hold on in this game, they're in really good shape.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 08:41:35 pm
Who is this guy Bill Murray? Never heard of him, he’s not one of those rock stars is he? How come he is on the broadcast? He looks like one of those hoarders with a drug habit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 08:42:45 pm
Seems like Bill Murray should be able to afford an internet connection and camera that doesn't make it look like he's broadcasting from 1998.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 08:48:11 pm
Yu is really coming up big when we need him to. So glad we signed him
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 09:18:44 pm
Yu strikes Abreu out and the Cubs lead 7-0 at the end of the sixth.

Let's hang on and win this.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 09:25:46 pm
Cordero hits Contreras (I guess they didn't like the great bat flip after his homer), and he's ejected. As he should be. White Sox are mad because their pitcher got ejected after he clearly hit a batter on purpose.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 09:26:46 pm
New pitcher Cordero hits Contreras right in the arm with a pitch, and after some deliberation the umpires toss him without issuing a warning.  Both teams start chirping, Renteria comes out to argue, and Renteria is gone too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on September 25, 2020, 09:36:12 pm
Well, the Cubs will likely be up 3 games after tonight if the two scores hold.  The Cardinals only have 2 games left in the schedule.  It is weird because the Cardinals can tie the Cubs in the loss column i they win out and the Cubs lose out, but be 1 game back having 2 less wins.  If they don't make up those two games I guess the Cubs win the Central tonight.  I am so confused. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 09:42:28 pm
PR, I heard the Cardinals will play a double header on Monday to get to 60.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 09:42:31 pm
Well, the Cubs will likely be up 3 games after tonight if the two scores hold.  The Cardinals only have 2 games left in the schedule.  It is weird because the Cardinals can tie the Cubs in the loss column i they win out and the Cubs lose out, but be 1 game back having 2 less wins.  If they don't make up those two games I guess the Cubs win the Central tonight.  I am so confused. 

If the Cubs had lost today (I guess they still can) and the possibility of the 32-28 Cubs "losing" the division to the 31-27 Cardinals, that would have been really unfair to us, but if we win it with a 33-27 record to their 31-27, they are basically being denied a chance to tie the Cubs because of their Covid problems.  Not sure if that's entirely fair, but it's fairer than if they had won it because their problems caused them to miss games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 09:46:40 pm
PR, I heard the Cardinals will play a double header on Monday to get to 60.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Cardinals can't win the division unless they make up those games on Monday. If the Cardinals can still catch the Cubs after all games have been played on Sunday, they have to go to Detroit and win a game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 09:59:52 pm
Darvish is coming out of the game so his season ERA will be 2.01.  Winkler is in to pitch and he promptly gets the first out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 10:02:31 pm
Winkler gets three very easy outs, and we go to the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 10:04:01 pm
Contreras homers again, doesn't look like he did an exaggerated bat flip that time. Too bad, I wanted to see him go over the top.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 10:04:31 pm
Yolmer Sanchez, a position player wearing number 5, comes in to mop up, and Contreras greets him with a first-pitch home run.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 10:06:04 pm
Javy batting left handed against the position player who is pitching for the White Sox, and he doubles.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 10:10:51 pm
Sanchez makes it tough on Heyward by mixing BP-like pitches in the 50s and lobs in the 40s with a sudden 82-MPH fastball and Heyward hits a comebacker for the first out.

Then Javy bats lefty and lines a 56-MPH pitch into the gap to raise his lifetime left-handed batting average to .500.

Now Hamilton pops a 59-MPH pitch up, it bounces off Sanchez but Moncada recovers it in the air, and Javy is doubled off second for what I think is a 1-5-6 double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 10:14:56 pm
Chafin is in to pitch the ninth.

They showed a replay of the double play and it didn't hit off the pitcher first; it hit Moncada's glove.  But it might have bounced off the pitcher in the process, making it a 5-1-5-6 double play.

And now there's one out to go. Chafin gets Abreu to swing and miss for strike one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 10:15:54 pm
Grounder to third; Cubs win!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 25, 2020, 10:19:55 pm
Darvish is coming out of the game so his season ERA will be 2.01.  Winkler is in to pitch and he promptly gets the first out.

Finishing with an ERA just over 2.00 might make the difference in the Cy Young race. If he'd pitched another scoreless inning, he would've finished at 1.99. Bauer finished at 1.73, and I bet that 1 inning (and 0.02 ERA difference) changes some voters' minds.

Darvish finishes the season with the best fWAR in the NL (second best in MLB behind Bieber). He deserves the Cy Young.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on September 25, 2020, 10:29:05 pm
Both Darvish and Bauer deserve it.  I hope they make them co-Cy Young winners.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 25, 2020, 10:36:37 pm
Cubs win! What do ya know.,10 - 0, creamed the Sox at their home stadium Insurance Plus or something like that. Loveland is making faces at the coffee machine, ISF is drinking a renegade red, a Pinot noir , and feeling sick to his stomach. There ain’t no crying in baseball, boys.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 25, 2020, 11:08:02 pm
So now all six remaining Cubs and Cardinals games have to go the Cards' way for them to tie us (and be declared winners?) for the division.
 If every game were random, that would be a 1 in 64 chance, or 1.6%.  But Fangraphs gives the Cardinals a 2.3% chance of winning the division.

Hopefully the Cards will just lose their next game and we can stop worrying.  I can't see these Cubs going all the way this year, and it feels like there will be a long wait -- possibly a full tear-down and rebuild -- before we finish in first place again, so if they can get that mini-title this year, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 12:17:57 am
https://youtu.be/_n3peL64YCY
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 26, 2020, 12:31:06 am
Both Darvish and Bauer deserve it.  I hope they make them co-Cy Young winners.
  You get one and you get one and you get one and yu gets one, everybody gets one. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 26, 2020, 12:37:51 am
Like so many switch-hitters Javy's career numbers are much worse from the right side.  Maybe he should consider being a straight lefty.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on September 26, 2020, 09:00:03 am
Javy's lefty hit gets him up over the Mendoza line.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on September 26, 2020, 10:47:00 am
Cordero hits Contreras (I guess they didn't like the great bat flip after his homer), and he's ejected. As he should be. White Sox are mad because their pitcher got ejected after he clearly hit a batter on purpose.

I guess only Tim Anderson is allowed to bat flip.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 26, 2020, 11:19:20 am
The adulation of bat flipping eludes me.  I think the rules when come down hard once some batboy, ondeck hitter, or first base coach gets seriously hurt when it descends on them.  Most of those will follow the flight of the ball and won't see it coming.  One thrown as high as Contreras' could do serious cranial damage.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 26, 2020, 11:46:03 am
Pitchers have a book on how to get RHH Javy out.

They have no such book for LHH Javy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 02:47:25 pm
Jon Heyman  @JonHeyman  7m
3-game suspension for ChiSox reliever Jimmy Cordero and 1-game for Rick Renteria
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 02:57:24 pm
Angel Hernandez will be behind the plate again this afternoon.  If Covid-19 travel restrictions meant the Cubs would be stuck with one of the three bad umpires, I’m glad it wasn’t Joe West or CB Bucknor.

The weather forecast for Sunday is a little iffy so let’s get it done today.

Kris Bryant is back

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3bLQjWAAETkWc?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 26, 2020, 03:11:51 pm
Agree with Curt, we can’t have frustrated hitters tossing the bat up in the air. Or home run hitters showing off. It’s an unwritten rule that you don’t do that.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 26, 2020, 03:14:42 pm
Hoerner available off the bench.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 26, 2020, 03:36:27 pm
Hernandez may be annoying, but there are far worse home plate umps than him.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 26, 2020, 06:26:19 pm
Man, love to see a first inning 1-2-3 on
10 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 26, 2020, 06:42:35 pm
Ouch, McCann homers tied up at one. Lester looks good though.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 06:53:42 pm
Len and JD keep talking about the Strat-o-matic simulations between the 2005 White Sox and the 2016 Cubs.  How would that work if a player was on one team in 2005 and the other in 2016?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 07:01:13 pm
Bases loaded with no outs in the third and a Contreras grounder hits Rizzo between first and second.  Still loaded and now with one out for Heyward.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 26, 2020, 07:02:50 pm
I thought it hit Abreu’s glove first, watching live...

Might have been worth a challenge...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 07:04:08 pm
Grand Slam for KB.  5-2 Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on September 26, 2020, 07:05:20 pm
KB turns on a cement mixer and doubles his RBI total for the season (almost)...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 07:21:01 pm
I wish they had challenged the infield looper that hit Rizzo; it definitely looked like it hit the second baseman's glove.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 07:23:16 pm
Commercials between at bats are flat out irritating.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 26, 2020, 07:27:09 pm
Grand Slam for KB.  5-2 Cubs

That'll put Chris on silent running for a while...

If anything can de-funkify KB that should be it.  What a difference it would make to have even decent KB and Javy back.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 26, 2020, 07:38:53 pm
Take Lester out now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 07:40:35 pm
Clown car inning for the Cubs.
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Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 07:41:42 pm
Trouble brewing as Anderson comes up with the bases loaded and the score 5-3, Cubs. We need to get out of this somehow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 07:45:51 pm
Moncada walks and it's 5-4.

Lester is being lifted in favor of Ryan Tepera.  Wow; quick hook.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 26, 2020, 07:45:57 pm
C’mon Ross take him OUT
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Post by: Bennett on September 26, 2020, 07:51:33 pm
Clown car inning for the Cubs.
For sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 07:52:09 pm
Cubs defense has just been way too sloppy at times this year. Inexcusable that the pop up fell in at the beginning of the inning, or that Javy just couldn't make a decision where to throw when he probably could've gotten an out at any base if he'd just committed.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 07:53:12 pm
Luckily, the Brewers are now up 3-0 on the Cardinals in the top of the 7th, and they have 2 on with nobody out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 07:55:20 pm
A double and some misplays in the field.  7-5 Sox.

At least the Cardinals are losing.  Maybe we can get the division wrapped up despite the on-field disaster.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 07:55:28 pm
Sorry...it was 2 on, 2 out for the Brewers. Now it's bases loaded with Braun up.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 07:58:25 pm
Garret Crochet, recent draftee, is in to pitch for the White Sox.  He's got some 1997-vintage pants going on.

And Happ singles off his leg to get the Cubs started.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 08:01:08 pm
Crochet blows a 100-MPH fastball past Rizzo to strike him out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on September 26, 2020, 08:05:41 pm
Disappointing effort by Lester.  Doesn't generate a lot of confidence in him going into the postseason.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 26, 2020, 08:08:23 pm
Disappointing effort by Lester.  Doesn't generate a lot of confidence in him going into the postseason.

To be fair, the defense really let him down.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 26, 2020, 08:11:28 pm
That'll put Chris on silent running for a while...

If anything can de-funkify KB that should be it.  What a difference it would make to have even decent KB and Javy back.

Another moronic comment and this not even politically inclined although I'm sure the whine-athon over ACB is going on in another thread.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 08:11:29 pm
He kind of fell apart too with 3 walks in that inning.

But yeah, if the Cubs make the very routine plays they should've made, it would still be a 5-2 game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 26, 2020, 08:14:44 pm
He kind of fell apart too with 3 walks in that inning.

But yeah, if the Cubs make the very routine plays they should've made, it would still be a 5-2 game.

that’s true but part of that is a function of having runners on who shouldn’t have been. His stuff is so pedestrian that he has to nibble in situations like that which only compounds the problems.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 08:16:27 pm
An overturned steal as Kipnis keeps his glove on the runner as he overslides the base for a moment, and then a grounder right into the shift between first and second, and Adam is out of the inning.

Brew Crew still up 3-0 in the eighth of their game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 08:18:03 pm
Len said he'd be in favor of letting the runner be safe in that situation that was overturned last half inning, but I disagree. McCann clearly came off the base because he slid poorly in that situation. I get the complaints when a call is overturned because a foot popped of the base by half an inch for half a second, but that was different. He just came off the base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 08:36:56 pm
Well, it looks like the only way the Cubs will clinch tonight is if the Brewers can hold on in the 9th. They're up 3-0 in the top of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 26, 2020, 08:38:16 pm
Give Kimbrel an inning for cripes sake - he desperately needs the work.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 26, 2020, 08:42:56 pm
Wong grounds out to start the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 08:48:55 pm
Brewers have won.  Cubs are division champions.  I'm happy.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 26, 2020, 09:24:59 pm
Kimbrel looked great again. ERA under 5.4 now after being about 30 early on. Let’s hope we need a closer in the playoffs. We appear to perhaps have one.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 26, 2020, 09:27:47 pm
Kimbrell just might be ready for the playoffs. My goodness.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 26, 2020, 09:32:17 pm
White Sox win.  But the Cubs are division champions.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 26, 2020, 10:52:59 pm
Darvish in game 1 and if you win it, save Hendricks for game 3 and if you can close it out, he's ready for the opener of the next round.

As to who the 3rd starter is, my goodness.  Mills has been pretty terrible apart from 2 great starts, and Lester is really on fumes at this point.  I might almost go with Alzolay, who certainly has the best stuff.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 26, 2020, 11:10:42 pm
Paul Sullivan
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Defiant Kris Bryant on criticism: "I don't give a shlt. How's that?"
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 27, 2020, 12:12:58 am
Darvish in game 1 and if you win it, save Hendricks for game 3 and if you can close it out, he's ready for the opener of the next round.

I agree. Or they could go Hendricks in game 1, and save Darvish for game 3 so he's ready for the opener of the next round. I don't think the order really matters...they just have to go all in on Darvish and Hendricks pitching as much as possible. The championship window is closing, so they should be taking risks in each round to put them in a better position for the next round.

If the Cubs win a championship this year, it'll be because Ross used Darvish/Hendricks as aggressively as (or more aggressively than) the Nationals used Scherzer/Strasburg/Corbin last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 12:23:13 am
I agree. Or they could go Hendricks in game 1, and save Darvish for game 3 so he's ready for the opener of the next round. I don't think the order really matters...they just have to go all in on Darvish and Hendricks pitching as much as possible. The championship window is closing, so they should be taking risks in each round to put them in a better position for the next round.

If the Cubs win a championship this year, it'll be because Ross used Darvish/Hendricks as aggressively as (or more aggressively than) the Nationals used Scherzer/Strasburg/Corbin last year.

Game 1 is too important not to have Darvish pitch.  To me that's not even up for debate.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 27, 2020, 12:27:10 am
https://youtu.be/qkY-rxZaCKw
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 27, 2020, 12:50:18 am
Game 1 is too important not to have Darvish pitch.  To me that's not even up for debate.

You might be right...but I'd be fine with the Cubs taking on some risk in game 1 of the coinflip series to put Darvish in a position to potentially start games 1 and 5 of the LDS. This is probably their last chance with this core, they should be willing to take on some risk.

Whatever they decide for game 1, the Cubs path to the championship involves both Darvish and Hendricks pitching as often as possible. If they don't finish first and second in postseason innings pitched (by a pretty wide margin), the Cubs aren't winning the World Series.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 05:21:56 am
Would that include using them on 3 days rest?
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Post by: Bennett on September 27, 2020, 11:19:21 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 27, 2020, 11:24:28 am
That lineup needs wisdom.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 01:02:16 pm
Really pulling for Adbert. Sox have reason to want this one and see how it plays out. Worried about Lester in post season and wondering why he announced retirement when he did. Hoerner starting at short.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 27, 2020, 01:16:50 pm
Late change. Baez to DH. Wanted the ABs, says Ross.
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Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 01:45:08 pm
So Wilson on bench then.
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Post by: Ron on September 27, 2020, 02:12:13 pm
Really pulling for Adbert. Sox have reason to want this one and see how it plays out. Worried about Lester in post season and wondering why he announced retirement when he did. Hoerner starting at short.

Lester has announced his retirement?  Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 27, 2020, 02:18:55 pm
Lester has announced his retirement?  Did I miss something?

No, you didn’t miss anything.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 02:23:19 pm
Maybe I dreamed it. Seemed like a good dream.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 02:28:32 pm
Nice start. 12 pitches, 2 strikeouts to end first.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 02:41:32 pm
Nico Hoerner walks in his first at bat. In the mean time the Cubs have taken a 3 - 0 lead in the third.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 02:50:46 pm
Billy Hamilton steals home. Heck, let’s go with this lineup into October. 6 - 0 Cubs not even thru 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 03:11:04 pm
Alzolay thru 2, 36 pitches (ouch), 1 hit, 1 walk, no runs. If it takes 36 pitches to assure no runs well then that’s the way it is, 4 strikeouts by the way.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 27, 2020, 03:11:49 pm
Len just said on the broadcast that if Cards beat Brewers today, Cubs will play Marlins in Wild Card series.

Go Cards???
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 03:22:48 pm
6 strikeouts in 3 innings for Adbert, no runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 03:57:31 pm
Alzolay thru 5, 82 pitches, 8 K’s, one run on a solo shot in bottom 5, 2 hits, 2 walks. Don’t know how he looked cause not on tv, but the stats are good so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on September 27, 2020, 04:15:22 pm
This has been a rather frustrating and meaningless season for me for many reasons, but perhaps I most miss the minor league season, and the hope for the future that springs from promising performances from kids.  Basing much upon a single game, or just a few games, from anyone is foolish, but I have been greatly cheered by the performance of Alzolay in this past week.  Although the announcers have placed a lot of emphasis on his newly developed slider, and it has looked impressive, I am most gratified by the continued performance and some improvement on his past stuff, which was already impressive before his run of injuries.  His fast ball topped off at 97, and went through the fifth still in the mid 90s.  In addition, he seemed to have pretty good command of both his curve, which is excellent, and also his change up, which was a strength of his early career performances. 

I can't think of a single other prospect who's performance could add as much promise as Alzolay.  He has the potential to be a top of the rotation pitcher next year (yes, not likely but potential).  A rotation led by Darvis, Hendricks and Alzolay seems to show more promise that one of Darvis, Hendricks, and anyone else likely to be on the team next year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 04:51:54 pm
Nico Hoerner flies out to right. One out in top 8. 10 -1 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 04:57:11 pm
Cool, Marquez coming in. Let’s have a look.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 05:03:19 pm
Mound visit after two straight walks.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 05:13:42 pm
I think maybe Marquez has taken enough abuse for one day. Gotta sting.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 27, 2020, 05:23:40 pm
Not sure what the point was of throwing a guy who should be in AA at the max into a ML game.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 05:32:36 pm
I think maybe Marquez has taken enough abuse for one day. Gotta sting.

He’s ready!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 05:41:15 pm
Good Heavens! Went to flush the toilet and smoke an innocent cigarette and look what happens.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 27, 2020, 05:45:58 pm
Underwood with five hits so far in the inning, maybe it’s time to bring in somebody else.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 06:11:34 pm
Bullpen is a strength, just ask you-know-who.

To be fair, Marquez and Underwood aren’t part of the postseason plans at this point.  But Chafin is a guy they’re counting on pretty heavily, and that’s worrying to say the least.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 27, 2020, 06:29:08 pm
Does anybody know what the playoff schedule looks like for the Cubs?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 27, 2020, 06:32:51 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 27, 2020, 06:33:07 pm
Does anybody know what the playoff schedule looks like for the Cubs?

Wed-Fri
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 06:58:24 pm
I would have liked to start Alzolay in game 2 but that's obviously not possible now.  You either have to burn Hendricks there and use AA in a potential game 3, or start Lester (or Q, or Mills).  Of course if we lose G1 Kyle would start Thursday anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 27, 2020, 06:59:43 pm
I'm glad we're playing Miami.  It's not good for the game if a third-place team can just waltz into the playoffs and knock out the team who finished ahead of them nearly wire-to-wire during the real season.  (And yes, I remember our 2015 playoffs.  The Cardinals and Pirates shouldn't have had to face us, though; they had already beaten us.)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 27, 2020, 07:02:00 pm
Wed-Fri

Who do they play?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 27, 2020, 07:03:07 pm
Who do they play?
See post 2503
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 07:27:25 pm
I'm glad we're playing Miami.  It's not good for the game if a third-place team can just waltz into the playoffs and knock out the team who finished ahead of them nearly wire-to-wire during the real season.  (And yes, I remember our 2015 playoffs.  The Cardinals and Pirates shouldn't have had to face us, though; they had already beaten us.)

Pirates??

I agree, I'm glad it's the Marlins.  But in my case it's mostly because I prefer the matchup - between the Astros slap on the wrist and the rule changes the integrity of the game is pretty much dead at this point anyway.  You just know if we drew St. Louis or the Brewers they'd knock us out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 27, 2020, 07:43:29 pm
https://youtu.be/X6fLxs1am4Q
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on September 27, 2020, 08:14:21 pm
Pirates??

They were a game ahead of us in the standings; they shouldn't have had to face us in the Wild Card Game.  Those games are fun but when the two teams are in the same division, and didn't finish tied with each other, the game really shouldn't be played.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 08:45:22 pm
Ah, roger- didn’t realize you were talking about 2015.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 27, 2020, 10:01:43 pm
You can really tell Hamilton has no practice when it comes to the home run trot. He circled the bases in like 5 seconds.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: davep on September 27, 2020, 11:08:49 pm
I would have liked to start Alzolay in game 2 but that's obviously not possible now.  You either have to burn Hendricks there and use AA in a potential game 3, or start Lester (or Q, or Mills).  Of course if we lose G1 Kyle would start Thursday anyway.

I suspect that if there is a game three, Lester will start it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 28, 2020, 03:32:49 am
Cubs-Marlins game one will be at 2:00 Eastern Wednesday, apparently broadcast by ABC.

Baseball on ABC???

ABC will be trying something new: announcers will be Keith Jackson and Ara Parseghian—even though, unfortunately, both passed away in recent years. An interesting experiment.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 29, 2020, 12:49:55 pm
When will they announce times for Thursday’s games?


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 29, 2020, 01:20:00 pm
My guess is MLB trying to get as many games as possible on basic cable TV, which is great, ABC joining in with the mix. Cubs on ABC tomorrow. All the games today are on basic TV. Does seem though that starting times should be figured out by now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 29, 2020, 01:46:29 pm
I think I read that they're showing games on ABC because ESPN has the rights to 7 of the series, and they ran out of room on ESPN and ESPN2. Since they're all owned by Disney, they're just using ABC for overflow.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 29, 2020, 05:44:59 pm
Hendricks then in game one, Darvish game two, time TBD. To be determined. Maybe Bryant will get a hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 29, 2020, 06:29:14 pm
Wednesday afternoon forecast

cloudy    62°     9% chance of rain    wind from the left field corner to the right field corner at 22 mph
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 29, 2020, 07:52:57 pm
I'd like three rainouts after game 2, please.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 30, 2020, 09:45:43 am
Sahadev Sharma's piece on Kyle Hendricks starting the playoffs for the Cubs includes the following:

"Hendricks was once a two-pitch pitcher who toed the line between brilliance and disaster with every batter he faced. But as he developed more confidence in his four-seam fastball, he started to have a more well-rounded attack allowing him to keep hitters more off-balance.

"It led to a Cy Young-caliber 2016 as Hendricks emerged as one of the most consistent pitchers in baseball. Since that season, there are only four pitchers who have tossed at least 700 innings and have an ERA lower than Hendricks’ 3.00: Clayton Kershaw, Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander.

"Three of those pitchers are locks for the Hall of Fame and the other, deGrom, is on pace for Cooperstown.

"After a brilliant stretch to end the season, Hendricks is seventh in the National League with a 2.88 ERA. He leads the league with a minuscule 2.5 percent walk rate. But perhaps the most interesting aspect of Hendricks’ 2020 season is he’s second in the league with 81 1/3 innings. That works out to an average of over 6 2/3 innings. His previous career-high was a tick under 6 1/3 innings per start in 2016. In every other season, he’s been under 6 innings. This season, had he made his normal 32 starts, he was on pace for nearly 217 innings."

Maybe we should appreciate Hendricks a little more than we do.

https://theathletic.com/2103032/2020/09/29/class-is-in-session-as-kyle-hendricks-starts-the-cubs-postseason/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 30, 2020, 10:03:56 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 30, 2020, 10:15:03 am
The Sharma piece on Hendricks that I cited earlier also describes changes Contreras made this season to become a better framer, and the adjustments Hendricks needed to make as a result. 

"Hottovy and Hendricks focused on that movement and soon enough, his mechanics were locked in. But the issues weren’t solely mechanical. Hendricks needed to get over a mental hurdle as well. One concept Hendricks has touched on multiple times with the media after games this season is getting “locked in” or being “aggressive to” the glove. What exactly he meant by that wasn’t clear at the time.

"What was happening was Hendricks was adjusting to a new style of receiving the ball Willson Contreras introduced for this season. Contreras has gone from one of the worst framers in baseball to, according to multiple metrics, among the best.

"What’s new this season is after Contreras gives his pitchers a target, he drops his glove to the dirt and then brings the mitt up to receive the pitch. The more natural upward movement to bring the ball to the zone works better on framing the low pitch — a strike Hendricks needs — rather than stabbing below the zone and bringing it back up with a jerking motion.

"But while Contreras’ improvements have helped Hendricks and the rest of the staff get a lot more strikes this season, it’s an issue for pitchers who like to stay focused on the glove.

“A lot of pitchers, when they start their windup will either look away or look down,” Hottovy said. “Kyle, Jon (Lester), Alec Mills, all those guys never take their eyes off the target the entire windup. So if you know you’re going down and away, the catcher sets up and shows you the glove, the minute you start your windup, your eyes are fixated on where that glove is. If that glove drops below the strike zone, your eyes follow it. As it’s coming back up, now you’ve lost where your line is that you want to start that pitch.

“We, as a staff, understand what our catchers are trying to do and we appreciate what they’re trying to do. Sometimes with Kyle, he’s so laser-focused on where that target is, that sometimes he actually follows it and it takes him off his path. What he’s talking about there is seeing the target where he wants to throw it and then being able to fixate on that location and stay there no matter what the catcher does behind the plate.”


Really interesting stuff.  And it seems to show that the coach (can't remember his name) the Cubs brought in this year to work with Contreras was a good hire.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 30, 2020, 01:40:03 pm
No score in the bottom of the second.  The rain does not look like much of a threat

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 30, 2020, 02:02:06 pm
OK. Thought I was going crazy in first inning when Kipnis made a play at short. Kipnis playing short? It was the shift. Hendricks still has a goose egg in ER, that’s what counts.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 30, 2020, 02:29:40 pm
Hendricks does not look good.  Cubs would be lucky to steal this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on September 30, 2020, 02:47:17 pm
Happ with the help of the wind puts Cubs ahead 1 - 0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 30, 2020, 02:54:00 pm
Based on the way the wind is blowing at my office, it should be blowing in from left.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 30, 2020, 02:58:31 pm
Hendricks shaky by his standards (3 walks today!) but through 6 with a shutout. What a stud that guy is.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on September 30, 2020, 03:15:14 pm
Hendricks shaky by his standards (3 walks today!) but through 6 with a shutout. What a stud that guy is.


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One inning too many for Hendricks. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on September 30, 2020, 03:18:30 pm
Yeah, surprising that Ross left Hendricks in for the seventh inning, and even more so that he left him in after 2 singles that inning.  And so far the Cubs offense is missing in action once again.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on September 30, 2020, 03:20:46 pm
Agree on all counts. Joe’s hook w Kyle was almost always too quick. Ross’s today was definitely too slow.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on September 30, 2020, 03:23:09 pm
Not a great time for the Jeffress smoke and mirrors to disappear.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on September 30, 2020, 03:32:31 pm
Ron is right.  Doesn't make any difference who pitches if we can't score
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on September 30, 2020, 03:34:58 pm
Why would you ever remove a player for more defense from this pathetic lineup. It’s a bad enough offense that it doesn’t need any help getting worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 30, 2020, 04:22:24 pm
Cubs "big 5" bats 1-14.

It's as if the regular season never ended.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 30, 2020, 04:28:07 pm
Huge, huge mistake not opening with Darvish in a 3-game series.  Really dumb.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 30, 2020, 04:37:13 pm
You figuring Yu's bat would've been the difference?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 30, 2020, 04:39:14 pm
Maybe you win 1-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on September 30, 2020, 04:47:57 pm
Darvish allowed 0 or 1 ER in 8 of 12 starts this year.  As long as Jeffress didn't get off the bench you might have had a chance.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Chris27 on September 30, 2020, 04:54:05 pm
Hendricks had a 1.85 ERA at home coming in and was going to pitch one of the first two either way.

Darvish's ERA at home this year is 2.57, incidentally.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 30, 2020, 04:54:18 pm
4 hits isn't going to win very many ball games.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 30, 2020, 05:09:52 pm
The Cubs were 0-5 with RISP.   I don't know which is worse, the zero or the five.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on September 30, 2020, 05:39:54 pm
Not that you want to hear any more of Chipper Jones' phony Georgia accent that he forgot to turn on from time to time,

https://youtu.be/0Wy-vImc7WI
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 30, 2020, 06:29:00 pm
4 hits isn't going to win very many ball games.

The wind was blowing out too.  Have to do some damage when the park is playing that way. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on September 30, 2020, 07:13:01 pm
The wind was blowing out too.  Have to do some damage when the park is playing that way. 
Not all game...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on September 30, 2020, 11:40:31 pm
Not all game...

Not sure what you mean. Was blowing out to right early and late and seemed to be a factor in Aguilar’s 2-run homer to right, as Bastian noted here:

Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian
And now Aguilar gets one up into the wind, which carries his oppo shot off Jeffress out to right field. Loud clank in the empty ballyard. Two-run blast. Marlins up 5-1 in 7th
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 01, 2020, 06:31:13 am
It was swirling all day...They showed the flags with the wind blowing straight in earlier...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on October 01, 2020, 08:31:49 am
Paul Hembekides
@PaulHembo
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56m
Baez/Bryant/Rizzo in postseason since winning 2016 World Series:

.146 BA (19-130)
48 strikeouts
6 walks
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 01, 2020, 09:14:28 am
Ouch.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 01, 2020, 09:43:19 am
54°      54% chance of showers increasing as the game goes on     wind in from the left field corner 15 mph

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 01, 2020, 11:54:15 am
Bleacher Nation reporting that today's game is cancelled due to weather-  https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/10/01/what-cubs-marlins-reportedly-postponed/

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense based on the radar map which shows some rain only until 2 pm or so.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Jack Birdbath on October 01, 2020, 12:02:15 pm
It was supposed to be raining all morning and afternoon. I canceled golf because of it but the rain has not come yet.  Looking west from my 60th floor office and it looks like a lot of rain is coming.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 01, 2020, 12:10:24 pm
Evidently it's now official.  They will play tomorrow and (if necessary) on Saturday.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 01, 2020, 12:18:15 pm
Lots of tweets from writers saying game 2 will be Friday at 1:00 but there has been no announcement from the Cubs.  The radar does not look that threatening.  Something is going on that we don't yet know

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 01, 2020, 12:24:36 pm
Cub's tweet now confirms writer's tweets.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 01, 2020, 01:04:11 pm
MLB officials are **** secret Cub fans and hope 24 hours will help get their act together.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 01, 2020, 01:04:35 pm
hard core is nasty?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 01, 2020, 01:19:50 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  1h
Time for Game 2, now rescheduled for Friday at 1:08 p.m. (CT) on ABC, will he switched to 6:08 p.m. (CT) only if it’s the only game remaining
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 01, 2020, 02:16:39 pm
With the Braves just ending the Reds’ season, if we do come back and win the series, we’d be facing a Braves team on two extra days’ rest. And a staff that gave up exactly 0 runs to the Reds in 22 innings. That seems like it would go well for us...


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on October 01, 2020, 03:05:23 pm
Much more relevant than two recent games is that Braves are a very good club...but that‘s who you tend to play in a division series.

But, first things first.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 01, 2020, 06:28:48 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  1h
Time for Game 2, now rescheduled for Friday at 1:08 p.m. (CT) on ABC, will he switched to 6:08 p.m. (CT) only if it’s the only game remaining
If the game is switched to 6:08 P.M., it will be on ESPN
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on October 01, 2020, 08:56:28 pm
Just for the record, is it really OK for MLB to postpone a playable game because they were worried they didn't have enough games on the upcoming schedule?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 01, 2020, 09:05:44 pm
I'm suspicious of the same thing.  MLB and ESPN were worried that all the series were going to go only two and they had nothing but Progressive commercials.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Reb on October 01, 2020, 09:15:20 pm
Maybe if Darvish gets burned after 50 pitches when rains arrives in the 3rd inning, some would wonder: why play when they knew it would rain?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on October 01, 2020, 10:51:47 pm
And a staff that gave up exactly 0 runs to the Reds in 22 innings. That seems like it would go well for us...

The Dodgers gave up 0 runs over 21 innings to a certain team in the 2016 playoffs.  That very same team came back to beat them in that series, and then win the next round too.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 01, 2020, 10:59:09 pm
must be fake news
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 02, 2020, 09:39:26 am
No changes from Thursday

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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 10:33:04 am
how is th eweather looking?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 10:34:23 am
I'm suspicious of the same thing.  MLB and ESPN were worried that all the series were going to go only two and they had nothing but Progressive commercials.
Curt you are starting to sound like your parents
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 10:39:56 am
Chicago, IL
Friday
Mostly sunny
Mostly sunny
55
°F | °C
Precipitation: 0%
Humidity: 48%
Wind: 11 mph
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 10:51:05 am
Curt you are starting to sound like your parents

You mean Adam and Eve?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 02, 2020, 10:53:14 am
You mean Adam and Eve?
Now that you mention her, how is Eva?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 11:25:56 am
Now that you mention her, how is Eva?

Actually I haven't bumped into her in a bit, but I probably should catch up with her before too long.  Next time I see her, I'll be sure to tell her you're a fan, Curt.  I'm sure the restraining order will come very shortly afterwards.  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 02, 2020, 01:24:33 pm
Both starters sharp in the first.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 02, 2020, 01:29:07 pm
Darvish looks NASTY today.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 02, 2020, 01:43:50 pm
Mark Gonzales  @MDGonzales  17m
Here's what @ColeWright  is referring to:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjWAVqUXsAAKxIH?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Cole Wright  @ColeWright  24m
.@MLB.... what is that on the glove arm of Sixto Sanchez?

Asking for a friend in the artificial Pine Tar industry....
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2020, 01:45:19 pm
4 K’s in the first two at bats. I just gonna take a nap. Hopefully they will do something by the time I wake up. I really don’t want my prediction in the prediction thread to come true.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2020, 01:45:47 pm
This offense is just unwatchable.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 02, 2020, 01:51:38 pm
Chipper finally remembered to turn on his phony Georgia accent
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 01:57:24 pm
Darvish is on, second time thru Cubs lineup should tell about Sanchez. Happ second time with a base hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 02:11:45 pm
This inning is key. Bottom 4 both teams with goose eggs.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 02:26:26 pm
Terrible for Contreras to get thrown out there.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 02:57:48 pm
Why is Schwarber in the line up? Why is Baez in the lineup? How long can you go with these guys?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on October 02, 2020, 02:58:33 pm
The traditional extra-innings rules apply for playoffs, correct?  No runner-on-second to give the Cubs a chance to score a run? 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 03:01:39 pm
17 years later on a foul ball that wasn't all that close to "Bartman Land", and they still have to pull up that replay?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 03:02:41 pm
And they cue up the Alex Gonzalez error on top of that.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 03:08:00 pm
National broadcasts just aren't very good. The fact that they're still going back to the Bartman play in 2020 is just so lazy.

If the Cubs win and Lester pitches tomorrow, it's guaranteed that they'll start talking about how he doesn't throw to first as soon as someone gets on first base.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 03:15:00 pm
Baez with the third out. Like a broken record.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 02, 2020, 03:15:50 pm
Good old fashioned pitchers' battle. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 03:19:10 pm
National broadcasts just aren't very good. The fact that they're still going back to the Bartman play in 2020 is just so lazy.

No kidding about that.  I mean the couple dozen fans the Marlins have can't even be that entertained by that at this point can they?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 03:22:21 pm
Garrett Cooper home run, that'll probably do it.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 03:24:03 pm
I know the Cubs don't have a ton of wiggle room to make moves this offseason. But they can't just come back with this same lineup again next year. They have to shake it up just to try something different.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 03:27:22 pm
2-0 on an RBI single.

It's just impossible to win when you don't have a single hitter who can consistently hit the ball hard.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 02, 2020, 03:28:06 pm
I didn't like Contreras trying to score; Joyce had the ball as Willson rounded third.
I didn't care for Bryant's AB after two walks.  He's got a 2-0 pitch.  Is it o.k. to swing, yes.  Should you swing if you have to reach for the ball?  Nope.  Probably was ball 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2020, 03:30:06 pm
Kind of glad this **** show is over this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 03:31:06 pm
Two runs for Marlins? Boy let’s get the bases loaded for Schwarber and Baez, what clutch hitters they are, just remarkable the way they come through.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 02, 2020, 03:31:26 pm
The Marlins are quite a story. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 03:48:20 pm
17 years later on a foul ball that wasn't all that close to "Bartman Land", and they still have to pull up that replay?
Well it is the Cubs - Marlins...at least we are guaranteed no Bartman '20 occurrence.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 02, 2020, 03:48:44 pm
Is Kimbrel ours next year? He’s been phenomenal since the horrendous start.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 02, 2020, 03:48:57 pm
I know the Cubs don't have a ton of wiggle room to make moves this offseason. But they can't just come back with this same lineup again next year. They have to shake it up just to try something different.
. How many years in a row have we been promised that?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 02, 2020, 04:01:54 pm
I hate stupid statistics I like that one: “The Marlins are 20-0 all-time when leading by multiple runs in the postseason.”

What the heck does that have to do with this year‘s team?


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 02, 2020, 04:03:27 pm
Rizzo weakly pops up in his last 2020 at-bat.


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 04:03:58 pm
Rizzo pops it up. Way to go Rizzo.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:04:33 pm
Take that HBP rule off the books. It is enforced so randomly and infrequently that it's unfair any time it is called.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 04:04:38 pm
gunna be a fight
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 04:06:52 pm
conteras hbp...ump calls him back...2 pitches later..conteras hbp
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 02, 2020, 04:07:28 pm
gunna be a fight

. Cubs will swing and miss.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:08:18 pm
When the Cubs make contact, they do nothing but pop up, ground out, or hit lazy fly balls. They never make so little hard contact.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 04:08:24 pm
Schwarber doesn’t have a clue. Why is he in the lineup?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:09:30 pm
Bryant with another automatic 2-0 swing on a bad pitch. At least he missed the ball this time.

But then he hits a lazy fly ball on the next pitch. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 04:12:02 pm
Gotta get rid of these movie star players and find some boys that want to play baseball.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on October 02, 2020, 04:17:47 pm
Gotta get rid of these movie star players and find some boys that want to play baseball.

I'm as frustrated as anybody (or most anyway), but to suggest these guys don't "want to play baseball" is just silly.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 04:20:50 pm
If the Cubs come back and win and this special report blocks it?...classic.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:21:40 pm
The game has moved to ESPN in case you want to watch Kintzler close it out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dave23 on October 02, 2020, 04:21:48 pm
Cubs hitters need to refine their approaches.

What they are doing right now doesn’t work.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:22:21 pm
Heyward leadoff double.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 04:22:42 pm
ESPn has it on...heyward with a lead off double
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:24:03 pm
That 1-0 call on Baez was awful. He doesn't need help striking out.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 02, 2020, 04:27:14 pm
Big-moment Bote with a chance here...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Dihard on October 02, 2020, 04:29:04 pm
Let’s go, Northbrook! (My hometown)


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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 04:29:41 pm
Baez makes us all feel better with another out, in a clutch situation. Oh yeah, hall of famer Javier Baez.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 04:32:14 pm
Well that sucked.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 02, 2020, 04:32:17 pm
Can't even move the leadoff double to third. Season over. Please make some changes this offseason, I'm tired of watching this same boring, mediocre group year after year.

They would've gotten crushed by the Braves offense anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 02, 2020, 04:32:37 pm
sad sitiation
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Ron on October 02, 2020, 04:38:01 pm
I guess it's appropriate that of the 5 hits the Cubs got today, 2 were by Happ and 2 were by Heyward (who had the only extra base hit).
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: PRCubFan on October 02, 2020, 04:44:22 pm
I hope we start the rebuild.  Start by trading Darvish while his value is as high as it is going to get. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on October 02, 2020, 04:47:14 pm
I hope we start the rebuild.  Start by trading Darvish while his value is as high as it is going to get. 

That might not be a bad point.

Then again, I doubt Theo or anyone in the Cubs front office can be thinking about a full blown rebuild at this point.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on October 02, 2020, 05:04:05 pm
https://youtu.be/iAQv1fed32M
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 02, 2020, 05:21:31 pm
The unicorn is just a popcorn. A liability. Schwarber another one who never comes through. Rizzo with his hair  obsession. Who cares? I don’t. What do you make of a baseball team that worries more about hairdos and necklaces and bracelets and tattoos than driving in a run when it counts? Driving in a run when it counts.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Playtwo on October 02, 2020, 06:05:38 pm
Our offensive stars have regressed since 2016.  Likely cannot win another championship with this group no matter how much pitching you put around them.  Time to start selling off some assets I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on October 02, 2020, 06:45:47 pm
Our offensive stars have regressed since 2016.  Likely cannot win another championship with this group no matter how much pitching you put around them.  Time to start selling off some assets I'm afraid.

None of those "assets" have any trade value at this point.  Maybe Contreras a little, and even after this awful season Baez based on his defense.  But Bryant, Schwarber, Rizzo?  Nah.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: ben on October 02, 2020, 07:35:18 pm
Despite their failings today, Wednesday and much of the rest of the key games of 2018-2020, those core guys (Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, Schwarber, Contreras) should always have a tremendous amount of value to Cub fans, even if not to the GMs of MLB today.

Whatever happened today or at the end of this season or at the end of the last three, those guys were HUGE factors in the Cubs, somehow, pulling off the Holy Grail of sports!  It still seems almost too good to be true for some of us who followed Cub teams for MANY decades.

To be sure, life has ups and downs (as we've all experienced following the Cubs)!  But our Cubs won the Freaking World Championship in 2016 (after a minor drought of 108 years).  That will never be taken away from any of us or those core guys who struggled again today!

So, when we think of the core guys who couldn't come through for us the way we hoped in recent years, let's remember that they knocked down the damn door in 2016. They were clutch! 

And let's be at least somewhat grateful that we had each of them in a Cub uniform in that incredible timeframe.

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on October 02, 2020, 07:50:49 pm
Yeah, but what the fuch happened?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Tuffy on October 02, 2020, 08:07:29 pm
I'm not complaining.  Three division titles in six years, and two wild cards.  We've won six of the ten playoff "series" this group has been to so far (five of eight if you don't count the wild card game).  Six over-.500 years in a row, and that's six good years so far after five rebuilding years.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 04, 2020, 06:48:28 pm
None of those "assets" have any trade value at this point.  Maybe Contreras a little, and even after this awful season Baez based on his defense.  But Bryant, Schwarber, Rizzo?  Nah.
I think it gets overlooked how many "core" guys from 2016.  Russell, Zobrist, Fowler, Ross, Montero, and Soler.  Some of these guys were good situational (clutch) hitters.  Zobrist, Fowler, and Ross sprinkled in with the studs created a lineup that clicked better than this year's.  No, they aren't HOFers, but they were great role players who many on the rest of the team looked up to and emulated. They made contact and forced mistakes.  Much of what they did doesn't show up in stats but it's the DNA of a good team.

Now as to the tradability of the "stars", it may be that they didn't help their value this year, but out there somewhere there are teams that want to put butts in the seats or who feel that one of two more big names and power will help them.  To make a trade work however we may have to take back players that aren't particularly well known but can fill a role. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on October 04, 2020, 07:32:29 pm
I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Bryant gets DFA'd (though not likely).  Certainly he isn't going to bring much of anything of value in trade.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dallen7908 on October 05, 2020, 11:22:00 am
Eno Sarris posted an article in the Athletic that included a table listing how hard each team in the playoffs hit the ball.  The Cubs finished dead last with a nitro percentage of 16.7% (% of strikes with exit velocities of 90 mph or greater and launch angles between 0 and 40 degrees).  The Reds were the unluckiest team. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dev on October 05, 2020, 11:49:20 am
I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Bryant gets DFA'd (though not likely).  Certainly he isn't going to bring much of anything of value in trade.
I think it is beyond the realm...
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on October 05, 2020, 12:56:56 pm
Kaplan said the Cubs are going to non-tender Bryant.  Did Theo suddenly become stupid?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on October 05, 2020, 01:45:59 pm
I'm guessing Theo hasn't really sent Kaplan a note about that decision.  So I wouldn't trust Kaplan. :):).

I also think it could be more complex. 

If you tender him, you're obligated to whatever leverage the arb process allows the player.  You could instead tell Kris, "We want you back, but we'll need a deal that isn't as expensive as Boras can get for you with the arb process as leverage.  We want you, but not at that price."

Obviously every team lost gobs of money, so I'm guessing some teams and players are going to need to adjust some expectations accordingly.  Bryant may be one of them. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on October 05, 2020, 02:44:06 pm
Giving away a player of Bryant's talent for nothing is stupid.  Theo isn't stupid.

Gordon Whittenmeyer was on the podcast and he sounded like a more reasonable voice than Kaplan.

The Cubs have 3 options
1.) Blow up the roster and rebuild, which is where Kaplan is.
2.) Try and tinker with the offense and get a starting pitcher.  This seems more likely, but they have to be to find trade partners and the Cubs player are expensive.  Getting much back for them might be hard.
3.) Repeat last offseason.  Low cost players and try and catch lightening in the bottle.  I think this is the most realistic.

Happ, Darvish and Hendricks are probably your best trade pieces, but if you are moving them then it is more of a full rebuild.  Of the more realistic guys to get traded I think only Willson with an extra year of control could bring back something close to his value to the Cubs.  Maybe you try and swap out Schwarber for a righthanded hitter with more contact in LF or CF (and move Happ to LF), second could be another possible upgrade if they don't want to give the job to Horner.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on October 05, 2020, 03:01:49 pm
If he's DFAed the FO knows something we don't.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: mO on October 05, 2020, 03:06:12 pm
I know it. 

He's not that good.
He's got Hee Seop-sized holes in his swing and the league has figured it out.
His swing mechanics are funky and are taking a toll on his body.
He can't stick at 3rd
He's too laid back.  Doesn't provide much leadership in the clubhouse
He wants Bryce, Manny money.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: brjones on October 05, 2020, 03:40:50 pm
I think there's very little chance of Bryant being a Cub past next year. He's had nagging injuries in three straight seasons, and he has been bad when he has tried to play through them. Players who start getting hurt a lot in their 20s usually continue to get hurt in their 30s. He just hasn't been healthy enough to justify paying him into his mid-late 30s.

I'd be shocked if they non-tendered him. But I wouldn't be surprised if the front office decides to trade him for underwhelming return because they feel they're better off having his money available to spend somewhere else. Same with Schwarber.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Deeg on October 05, 2020, 04:44:57 pm
They'd take a bag o' balls for him at this point, but we'd have to throw in a good prospect.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on October 05, 2020, 05:09:06 pm
...I'd be shocked if they non-tendered him. But I wouldn't be surprised if the front office decides to trade him for underwhelming return because they feel they're better off having his money available to spend somewhere else. Same with Schwarber.
.

Bryant was at $18.6 this year.  The Cubs may be unwise to assume they can easily and productively trade Bryant with an $18-20 contract. 

GM/owners should be hesitant to assume that a general-access vaccine will have be available before the season opener, and that social-distancing will be history next season.  I suspect team budgets will not only be hurting from their losses this year, but will not be able to assume  full revenue next season either. 

Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 11, 2020, 05:25:34 pm
What happened? Why is this sitcom on? Supposed to be the pre game on TBS?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: dogstoothe on October 11, 2020, 05:32:50 pm
Never mind, pregame on now.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 01, 2021, 09:16:33 am
Patrick Mooney  @PJ_Mooney
Cubs lineup for Monday’s Cactus League opener:

Anthony Rizzo
Willson Contreras
Joc Pederson
Javier Báez
Cameron Maybin
David Bote
Ildemaro Vargas
Ian Miller
P.J. Higgins

Kyle Hendricks and Adbert Alzolay (Tuesday) will start the first two exhibition games in Arizona.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 01, 2021, 10:23:02 am
Positions added.

Patrick Mooney  @PJ_Mooney
Cubs lineup for Monday’s Cactus League opener:

Anthony Rizzo, 1B
Willson Contreras, C
Joc Pederson, LF
Javier Báez, SS
Cameron Maybin, RF
David Bote, 2B
Ildemaro Vargas, 3B
Ian Miller, CF
P.J. Higgins, DH

Kyle Hendricks and Adbert Alzolay (Tuesday) will start the first two exhibition games in Arizona.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 01, 2021, 10:24:22 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 01, 2021, 10:27:27 am
"Now batting, ol' number 86!"
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: Bennett on March 01, 2021, 01:07:59 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CurtOne on March 01, 2021, 01:19:25 pm
That coaching staff could beat the Cubs most days.
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Post by: Reb on March 01, 2021, 02:23:52 pm
"Now batting, ol' number 86!"

Ejected.

First of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 01, 2021, 02:48:20 pm
Two scoreless for The Professor.

Shelby Miller in.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 01, 2021, 03:04:06 pm
Miller gave up two hits but escaped with a DP.

Rex Brothers in.
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Post by: JeffH on March 01, 2021, 04:06:05 pm
Trevor Megill closes out a 1-0 seven inning victory.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 01, 2021, 04:26:35 pm
Cubs win, Cubs win!  Outhit 6-2, but get the win.  Fun to have a radio broadcast on in the background while doing other stuff. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 02, 2021, 10:18:10 am
Craig, Gray Fenter and Brendon Little are scheduled to pitch today.  On TV.  Should be interesting.
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Post by: craig on March 02, 2021, 10:41:50 am
Thanks, Jeff, for sharing that.  I'll try to watch their innings tonight or tomorrow night. 

I'll be interested in how Alzolay looks, too. 

I kinda wish we'd been able to see Megill yesterday.  Padre's radio guys made it sound like he couldn't throw his fastball for strikes, but it sounded like the curve and change were almost all swing-and-miss.  I think he's got a chance to pitch some big-league innings someday, if his control ever allows. 
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Post by: JeffH on March 02, 2021, 03:03:19 pm
Man, Maples is fun.  It's like watching a cartoon.
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Post by: JR on March 02, 2021, 03:13:02 pm
Man, Maples is fun.  It's like watching a cartoon.

This is going to be his 10th year in the Cubs organization.  The dude is a survivor!
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 02, 2021, 03:19:06 pm
Are Contreras and Baez the only guys who have been in the organization longer?
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on March 02, 2021, 03:37:03 pm
Actually Baez and Maples were both part of the 2011 draft class.  Contreras dates back to 2009, so he's the longest. 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JR on March 02, 2021, 03:38:32 pm
If Underwood leaves the organization after being DFA'ed, it'll just leave David Bote as the lone survivor of the 2012 draft class.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: CUBluejays on March 02, 2021, 03:42:43 pm
Maples looked like he had a somewhat decent idea of how to get the ball in the general direction of the plate today.  That would be fun if he could do that more.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 02, 2021, 03:49:26 pm
Little looked good.  He's a good example of why you shouldn't give up on pitchers with mediocre-to-poor results and random, unsubstantiated reports of so-so stuff.
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Post by: Dave23 on March 02, 2021, 04:19:41 pm
Looks like 7 inning games are going to be the norm rather than the exception...
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Post by: davep on March 02, 2021, 04:21:38 pm
I agree.  Little's curve is a good pitch.  Reports are that his fastball is at 95, but nothing about movement or the ability to locate.

By the way, Fenter also looked pretty good.
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: craig on March 02, 2021, 04:23:44 pm
Cubs win, Cubs win.  No hitters into the 7th, but Jake Jewell lets it slip away. 

Heh heh, I checked the box score, and saw the 3-2 score after 7 innings, with Fenter and Little having already pitched.  My first brain then asked, "I wonder who'll pitch the 8th, and if it's somebody I'll want to watch later to get a look?"  Second brain then realizes, "Nope!  7 innings is all there is!"  Still adjusting! 
Title: Re: Today's Game 2020
Post by: JeffH on March 02, 2021, 04:27:29 pm
Fenter looked pretty ordinary to me.  If it came down to him or Maples, you'd have to take Maples.