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Title: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2020, 11:53:11 am
FA starts tomorrow...

So far, we are adding Robert Quinn and Jimmy Graham, and parting ways with Leonard Floyd.

Still waiting for news on a backup QB...Keenum and Mariota have signed elsewhere, as has Bridgewater...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 12:04:16 pm

5 years $70M for a 30 year old pass rusher....insane.  So is paying Leonard Floyd $13M for one season.   

I'm not as much down on Jimmy Graham as I am his contract.

Draft picks are gold.   FA fools gold.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 12:10:37 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/17/21177857/chicago-bears-robert-quinn-contract-nfl-free-agency-2020
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 12:22:29 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/17/21183644/bears-free-agency-2020-leonard-floyd-release-spells-end-robert-quinn-pass-rush-sack-ryan-pace-draft
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 12:52:25 pm

So I guess the Bears will now add Can Newton to the list of potential QBs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 12:57:13 pm
Never say never, but a case could be made for that,
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2020, 01:07:08 pm
I hope not, I cant stand that little super man shirt ripping thing he does.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 17, 2020, 01:43:45 pm
He's had the absolute living hell beaten out of him, he's not the man he once was, but hell, who is? I think Foles would want a ton of money, supebowl mvp and all, and that money could go for
some really good guys up front that have a couple of years left. That line at the end was a sieve.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 01:53:59 pm

Aren't Dalton, Foles and Newton all under contract?   Which means not only do you have to give up a draft choice but you have to pickup their 2020 salary and beyond.

Cam Newton is on the books for $18M for 2020.

Nick Foles is on the books for $15M the next 2 years and $20M in 2022.

Andy Dalton is on the books for 2020 for over $17M.

Maybe the Bears should be getting draft choices!  I'm thinking these guys could be cut...at least Newton and Dalton.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 17, 2020, 03:45:38 pm
SCORE is reporting the Bears offered the same money to Bridgewater as the Panthers but he doesn’t want to compete with Trubisky
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2020, 03:56:37 pm
Dang:

Washington has agreed to terms with its second linebacker of the week.

They came to an agreement to re-sign Jon Bostic on Monday and the agents for Kevin Pierre-Louis told Ian Rapoport of NFL Media that their client agreed to terms with Washington on Tuesday. It’s a one-year deal worth up to $3.45 million.

Pierre-Louis spent last season with the Bears and played a leading role on special teams while also playing 20 percent of the team’s defensive snaps. He had 37 tackles and an interception in those appearances.

Pierre-Louis has also played for the Seahawks, Chiefs and Jets since entering the league as a fourth-round pick in 2014.

Washington has also reached agreements with guard Wes Schweitzer and cornerback Kendall Fuller since the negotiating window opened on Monday.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 17, 2020, 04:04:52 pm
This is rapidly turning into a typical bear s hit show. Just super.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on March 17, 2020, 04:07:26 pm
I don't mind the Quinn signing. He's an upgrade from Floyd. Having Mack and Quinn on the ends with Hicks and Goldman in the middle is a top 5 line.

Trading for Newton wouldn't bother me because the Panthers have blown their leverage.
They aren't going into the season with both Cam and Bridgewater's salaries, so the price has hit rock bottom.

Offer them a 5th round pick and the good news that they won't have to pay the man...
If he's healthy and productive, we can talk new contract extension, if he's a shell of his former self the contract is up and it's cap money for next year's pile.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 07:06:32 pm
So what do the Raiders do with Carr now? And the 9ers were hoping for Brady too. Both situations scream questions. I sure wouldnt get in a hurry signing Newton. And I am sure the Bungholes dont want to have Dalton on the roster in 2020. Just too much uncertainty right now. A 5th for Newton...next year, I might bite.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 17, 2020, 11:16:41 pm

I guess the Raiders and the 49ers will just have to make do with two QBs that had ratings over 100 in 2019. 

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on March 18, 2020, 06:14:24 am
Quote
he doesn’t want to compete with Trubisky

Well.  If he was afraid of competing against Trubisky I am double glad we didn't sign him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 18, 2020, 06:53:31 am
I guess with the cutting of Floyd we have enough data (to match the eyeball test) to show that Pace can't draft 1st rounders for crap. Hell his best 1st rounder(s) are the two he gave up for Mack.....

Signing Graham is a WTF signing (why so early in FA ? Maybe Pace was conned into it by thinking there was a vibrant market for him (ala Trubisky in the draft ?)....

I used to be positive neutral on Pace but now its tilted for the negative and gathering momentum towards auguring in downward.....

For one of the cornerstone founding franchises of the NFL to be so inept for much of the modern era (1 SB win) is pretty inexcuseable and unacceptable....

On the positive side, only 5 more years until they make a SB run again (85, 2005, 2025 ?). And if the pattern holds, it should be a blowout win  :D





Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2020, 07:41:25 am
SO the Bears lost two solid backup LBs and gained a upgrade at Floyds spot. The starters are strong but hope and pray no one goes down!
Graham?? WTH are the Bears thinking???
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2020, 07:55:13 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/17/21184534/bears-free-agency-2020-quarterbacks-musical-chairs-mitch-trubisky-cam-newton-nick-foles-andy-dalton

He has had multiple surgeries on his right shoulder and suffered a Lisfranc break in his left foot last season. Any team that would want to add Newton undoubtedly would want to give him a thorough physical, and player visits are banned because of coronavirus measures.

I'd be scared of those injuries without a physical. I'd wait for the release thats coming or move on to Foles or Dalton. Of those 2 Foles is the most interesting. Why? Because Philly's offense is supposed to be close to Nagy's offense.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 18, 2020, 07:55:44 am
Based on what's transpired lately, "thinking" and "Bears" shouldn't be used in the same sentence :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 18, 2020, 08:01:14 am
Someone said that Foles totally chokes when he is "the man".  He is good when he comes in as a back up and can just lead the team.  I dont know, but that doesnt really sound like good competition for Mitch.  But it could be good enough for a year while a rookie gets up to speed....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 08:17:19 am
FWIW @dabearsblog called the Quinn sign/Floyd cut 3 minutes before Ian Rapp

Let's see if his "source" is right about this one...

@dabearsblog
Hey
@AllenRobinson
 - heard you’re gonna be here awhile.
8:05 AM · Mar 18, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 08:21:58 am
Still livid about the guaranteed money for Graham.  It's like Pace was bidding against himself a la Glennon.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 18, 2020, 09:09:42 am

It's called desperation.  He knows 2020 is it for him.  He's got to field a playoff team or he's likely out.

GMs are measured on their success (wins) but also their drafts.   How many drafts has Pace had?  And how many starters from those drafts? 

Offense:  2 lineman, QB, HB and a WR
Defense:  2 lineman, ILB and safety

5 drafts - 9 starters
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 18, 2020, 09:33:06 am
When did he get a QB starter?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2020, 09:41:06 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/17/twitter-reacts-to-chicago-bears-signing-pass-rusher-robert-quinn-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 18, 2020, 10:02:57 am
Pace needs to go before he can screw another draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 12:35:28 pm
F*CK YOU PACE
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 18, 2020, 12:39:08 pm
Files to the Bears for 4th.!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 18, 2020, 12:40:51 pm

Hopefully, restructuring his Jags deal.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 18, 2020, 12:45:28 pm
Word is they are definitely restructuring his existing deal...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 18, 2020, 12:46:55 pm
Since we are giving a 4th rounder, I’m assuming the Jags are eating most of the contract...

I hope...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 18, 2020, 01:09:31 pm
I guess those rumors about us getting a pick back were wrong.  And the 4th round is where Pace has actually been successful.  This is going to be a loooooong year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 18, 2020, 01:26:18 pm
 I like the Foles pickup.It will be good competition for Trubisky and at worst it's the best backup QB situation we've had in a long time. Now take care of the OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2020, 01:33:08 pm
Yep, def like the Foles addition. Graham on the other hand..... And Quinn is a great pickup. Two steps forward, a step back with the loss of Kwit and Pierre Louis. Easier to get some backup help at those positions though so expect them to draft LB at some point...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 18, 2020, 01:40:25 pm
watching CBS sports & their take is Jags can't believe they got someone to take that contract & get a 4th round pick also.

other teams love Pace.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 18, 2020, 01:48:49 pm
I like us getting Foles. Now we need to fix the OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 18, 2020, 02:10:07 pm

We need a safety more right now.  We can get a lineman in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 18, 2020, 02:46:55 pm
watching CBS sports & their take is Jags can't believe they got someone to take that contract & get a 4th round pick also.

other teams love Pace.

Yeah, the Jags have done a great job managing their team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 02:55:57 pm
Gamepass (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106855/article/nfl-offers-fans-free-access-to-nfl-game-pass) is free until May 31.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 18, 2020, 03:23:53 pm
Good move by NFL to allow folks to try gamepass. Great way to watch games you missed or want to re-watch......

From what I understand the Bears are reworking the contract on Foles......

At least its all in this year or all out as it were......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 18, 2020, 09:19:42 pm
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881788-nick-foles-reportedly-restructures-contract-with-bears-after-trade-from-jaguars

Sounds to me the Bears protected themselves with a basically one year deal.  Foles gave himself the ability to negotiate new deal if he does well.  I think a person that bets on themselves.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 19, 2020, 12:21:53 am
I am really good with the Foles deal.  He knows the system and all three offensive coaches know him.

Nagy got his guy at QB so no more excuses with the offense.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 19, 2020, 02:59:13 am
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/graphic-shows-how-much-upgrade-robert-quinn-bears?fbclid=IwAR3iKaNMqLAw2S51ke5s6JYeqm8IC5Txtw1twzhWutZ8_k1qAVW-cKVcH0Q
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 19, 2020, 05:06:51 am
I'm glad the Bears didn't go after Cam Newton.. He'll end up somewhere riding the bench. I used to like the guy...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2020, 08:47:44 am
Has Quinn played OLB in a 3-4 front before? Can he cover a back TE or a back coming out of the backfield.

I like the pass rush upgrade but we know teams attack it with short passes and getting the RB involved in the passing game.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 19, 2020, 08:51:57 am
I read somewhere that he has done it in a couple of different seasons...maybe when LA Rams switched from 4-3 to 3-4?

I read that he prefers, and fits better, in a 4-3, but his numbers were just fine in a 3-4. I'll see if I can find the article...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 19, 2020, 09:03:33 am
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/3/3/17075550/miami-dolphins-trade-robert-quinn-los-angeles-rams-insider-look

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-robert-quinn-20180404-story.html

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 19, 2020, 09:10:58 am

Quinn missed a couple games last year with the Cowboys with back issues.   You can see from Dave23's post that he's had some history of back problems.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2020, 07:58:39 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/19/21182114/chicago-bears-tight-ends-make-shaky-plans-crucial-position-te-trey-burton-jimmy-graham-ryan-pace
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2020, 08:10:32 am
Its a quandary alright: But you put yourself in that position

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/19/21187537/paces-offseason-quandary-fixing-bears-o-line
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 20, 2020, 10:09:35 am

Recall Leno was coming off a pro-bowl alternate season in 2018 and Massie had been solid for several years at RT.

What should have Pace done with the O-line?  Not draft Daniels?  Not re-sign Whitehair?

Hindsight 20/20.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2020, 10:20:54 am
Yeah!

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/18/21185743/nick-foles-trade-mitch-trubisky-who-won

Not sure who won, may depend on who's the healthiest and reverts to form. Both have issues. Still could draft a QB, at least I think so.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 20, 2020, 10:59:52 am

The Bears looked like an ideal landing spot for any veteran quarterback given that they have an elite defense and an enticing crew of skill players

Who is enticing on offense?    Other than Allen Robinson?

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 20, 2020, 11:10:06 am
I think we have a few others who would be more enticing with the right QB on the field with them...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 20, 2020, 11:18:41 am
Not mentioned yet, as far as I have seen...

Cornelius Lucas signed with Washington...2/5.3M

Ha-Ha signed with Dallas

Patrick Scales and Deon Bush re-signed with the Bears...Bush got 1/1.4M, no word on Scales, but it was also 1 year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 20, 2020, 01:01:11 pm

Ha Ha for only $4M - 1 year.

Bears waiting on cheaper options.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 21, 2020, 01:05:06 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/20/bears-re-signing-isaiah-irving-to-one-year-deal/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 21, 2020, 04:44:28 am
I've heard Jefferson coming off an ACL injury may be in the mix at Safety.  On another board, they are worried that Foles will get injured behind our line, no such angst with Trubisky behind the same...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 21, 2020, 02:22:03 pm

Artie Burns signed - young Steeler CB - former 1st round pick 2016

50/50 chance to start on opening day
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 21, 2020, 09:23:35 pm
From 2016...


Steelers selected Miami (FL) CB Artie Burns with the No. 25 overall pick in the 2016 draft.

Burns (6'0/193) made 23 starts in three seasons with the 'Canes, finishing on a high note with an ACC-best six interceptions in 2015. He ran 4.46 at the Combine, adding an explosive 10-foot-4 broad jump but marginal 33-inch vertical at Miami's Pro Day. Burns' strengths are his athleticism, ballhawking ability, and length (33 1/4-inch arms), while his primary weakness is frustrating game tape on which Burns has a tendency to get lazy and play undisciplined. Burns has No. 1-corner upside, but could also flame out quickly. Raw after spending so much time in track and field at The U, Burns is a boom-bust prospect.

Apr 28, 2016, 10:57 PM ET
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 21, 2020, 10:09:39 pm
watched tape of Burns on youtube - it was pretty much all bad. His technique, footwork etc., all bad, was drafted  as an athlete. Was only like 20 when drafted.

fine with taking a flyer. Not worried as I've always liked Tolliver.

Safety & OL are the needs now.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 22, 2020, 12:05:21 am
Do not expect wholesale changes on the OLine. Just not happening. Expect additions, probably via the draft and UDFAs. Maybe some changes when veterans cut after the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 22, 2020, 08:26:13 am
We need to replace Long at RG.  Now if we could get a stud for that, that would be nice, where ever he comes from.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 22, 2020, 11:40:49 am
I can assure you of one thing. If the O line doesn't play better than last year, it won't matter who the QB is..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 22, 2020, 11:55:23 am
Absolutely, But cap being what it is and extensions given out to players who didnt play up to contracts given, the line is what you are going to get unless the OLine coach can improve the techniques
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 22, 2020, 07:50:25 pm
I like both of the bears recent secondary signings.  High upside with experience at a low risk.  Lucas has a lot of special teams value as well.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 22, 2020, 08:35:20 pm
No OL signing is a curiosity. 

Surely Pace will address that in the draft.  Maybe a future tackle who can play guard this year.

Is it possible to trade down one of the seconds to one of the teams with 2 thirds?

Maybe Dallas can give us the point formula.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 22, 2020, 11:12:24 pm
hoping a OL coach can spin manure into gold is truly wishful thinking.

The play of the OL was horrific last year & we lost Lucas. Leno and Coward were jokes.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 23, 2020, 05:15:20 am
I feel like for years I wish the Bears would just draft multiple OL man with first couple of picks.  Trenches win in the NFL.  Plus OL is all about knowing each other and anticipating where the other guy will pick up.  Young guys learning to play together would be beneficial for years to come.  I would not be opposed to three OL picks with first 3 picks.  Let's get the OLine fixed!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2020, 07:39:39 am
Linebacker Barkevious Mingo has played for five teams the past five seasons, and he just agreed to terms with a different team than the previous five.

Mingo will sign a one-year, $1.187 million deal with the Bears, with $887,000 fully guaranteed, Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports.

The Texans had interest in keeping Mingo and made an offer, Wilson adds, but Mingo opted to go to Chicago.

Mingo, 29, spent his first three seasons in Cleveland after the Browns made him the sixth overall choice. He then went to New England in 2016, Indianapolis in 2017, Seattle in 2018 and Houston last season.

Mingo appeared in 16 games but made only one start in 2019. He saw action on 73 defensive snaps and 318 on special teams.

In his seven seasons, Mingo has 220 tackles, 10 sacks, 14 pass breakups, an interception and five forced fumbles.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2020, 10:33:05 am
Good depth signing...takes away one more “must have” from the draft...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2020, 12:45:38 pm
I dont necessarily buy this. Its a point of view for sure

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/21/21171497/2020-nfl-draft-picks-chicago-bears-gm-ryan-pace-negligent-if-he-doesnt-take-quarterback-in-round-2

If  a player they want isnt there its meaningless. Why waste the pick?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2020, 02:25:14 pm
I could not disagree with that article more...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 03:27:05 pm
Good depth signing...takes away one more “must have” from the draft...

Pace would not go into a draft with glaring front line needs.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Pace signs a couple more O-lineman similar to Ted Larsen, 2018s Witzman and Cornelius Lucas.

Safety and corner now have quantity depth - still not sure about quality depth.  Either position could be targeted in round 2.  Also, Stephen Denmark is still on the roster.  Last year's 7th rounder has freak size/speed and was hidden on IR last season.  He might make the team as a special teamer.

Right now though I think O-line is biggest need in the draft.

Pace is a self proclaimed BPA guy.  And with all the Bears needs he could go just about anywhere in round 2.   But I don't think Pace can draft for a future he might not be part of.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 23, 2020, 04:27:17 pm
Why not sign Dalton or Winston at this point? Cap room issues? Give Mitch some real competition. Winston is a block head, but he will stand in there and throw the ball down the field.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2020, 05:39:51 pm
Pace would not go into a draft with glaring front line needs.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Pace signs a couple more O-lineman similar to Ted Larsen, 2018s Witzman and Cornelius Lucas.

Safety and corner now have quantity depth - still not sure about quality depth.  Either position could be targeted in round 2.  Also, Stephen Denmark is still on the roster.  Last year's 7th rounder has freak size/speed and was hidden on IR last season.  He might make the team as a special teamer.

Right now though I think O-line is biggest need in the draft.

Pace is a self proclaimed BPA guy.  And with all the Bears needs he could go just about anywhere in round 2.   But I don't think Pace can draft for a future he might not be part of.

Which brings me back to this post I made in the Draft topic not too long ago...which no one bothered to give any thought to, apparently...

Which of these guys would you take no matter what at 43? Pick all of them that you would take...doesn't have to be just one. Assume there are no good offers to trade down...

WR - Tee Higgins - Clemson
WR - Brandon Aiyuk - Arizona St
WR - Justin Jefferson - LSU
RB - JK Dobbins - OSU
RB - Jonathan Taylor - Wisconsin
RB - D'Andre Swift - Georgia
QB - Jordan Love - Utah St
CB - Jeff Gladney - TCU
OT - Josh Jones - Houston
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2020, 06:09:53 pm
Right now though I think O-line is biggest need in the draft.

That and TE. Graham hasnt changed anything. He is just a smoke screen.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 06:18:16 pm
I don't know that much about any of the guys on your list.  Just going by position.

I'd go with the OT.  Next the corner (even if one of the 3 guys vying for the job sticks - Fuller ain't getting any younger).

WR is tempting but he'd have to be special.  We've seen Nagy largely ignore Wims and Ridley early in their careers.  Nagy just doesn't sub in these guys frequently or maybe he does and Trubisky never finds them since they are not the primaries.

I think we're OK at HB, would have liked for the Bears to retain Kerrith Whyte though.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 23, 2020, 06:31:20 pm
you draft the sure thing, if one is available. If the rankings are close you go for need, OL, TE.

I just hope a good OT or OG is available. Last high pick OL was Daniels, who I think has been a big disappointment.

Can't make reaches with picks in the first 2 rounds, if you rate a guy like Taylor as a future all-pro you take him.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 06:50:33 pm

I think Daniels struggled at center but actually may have been the highest grader of the bunch. 

From PFF:

A silver lining for the group came from James Daniels after he switched over to left guard. Daniels’ 73.9 overall grade at left guard ranked fifth among all qualifiers at the position.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 23, 2020, 07:22:14 pm
the problem I have with Daniels is he lacks strength. All those Tape Never Lies videos showed him getting pushed around on a consistent basis. If it's 3rd and 1 you don't run at his area.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 23, 2020, 08:31:06 pm
Impact wise it's hard to pass on Dobbins and Taylor.

I like Montgomery but when he gets an opening it's 5 yards and with these guys it's a highlight.

Still though if the off season evaluation cannot solve the blocking with a different scheme have to think OL.
(there is speculation they may expect Bars to be ready at RG since they haven't signed a FA)

Yet third hand.......if WR is the strength of the draft you have to consider that if one of them is the BPA.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 09:16:53 pm
the problem I have with Daniels is he lacks strength. All those Tape Never Lies videos showed him getting pushed around on a consistent basis. If it's 3rd and 1 you don't run at his area.

I  kind of agee.  He's not a power guy - more finesse.  Recall the game against the Rams in '18 where he held his own against Aaron Donald.  Maybe his overall ranking is so good because of excellent pass blocking and average run blocking.  He gave up 1 sack last year and had 2 holding penalties.

Just got to hope he grows stronger.  He was 20 when the Bears drafted him.  He's still only 22.  Just a kid.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 24, 2020, 05:03:10 am
Nagy hasn't shown me that he will utilize a tailback, I am concerned that spending a pick that high wouldn't be a waste in this system.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 24, 2020, 11:00:55 am

Bears have an extremely fast running back on the roster that is good size too at 6-2 238.  Last year he rushed for over 6 yards a carry.

He needs to be a bigger part of the offense.

Cordarrelle Patterson

(And bring back the fullback - we can cut one off the 10 TEs on the roster)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2020, 05:11:35 pm
Yahoo chimes in

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/5-players-bears-could-still-153815670.html

With no cap room they need to print some more money
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 24, 2020, 07:41:53 pm
Totally agree on getting Patterson the ball much much more. The guy is explosive and fast! Dumb of Nagy not to use him more...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 25, 2020, 11:04:24 am
I have little confidence in Nagy..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 25, 2020, 11:51:19 am
Same.  Two Packer gameplans, the Saints debacle.  Who is keeping him in check?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 25, 2020, 12:29:12 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/chicago-bears-should-address-offensive-line-in-free-agency-michael-schofield/

Yeah if they print some more money. Maybe there is some Bear money in the Corona virus bill. ::)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 25, 2020, 01:25:29 pm
Vonn Bell signs with Bengals.  Shoot.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2020, 01:36:06 pm

Still need a lineman - did the Bears just sign an offensive lineman?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 25, 2020, 01:37:58 pm
They are still trying to print some funny money
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 02:15:37 pm
Actually we did just sign an OLman...Germain Ifedi, who was Seattle's first rounder (31st) in 2016...

4 year starter for the Seahawks, starting 60 of 64 games...should plug right into the RG position...

1 year deal
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 25, 2020, 06:02:14 pm
Ifedi was a RT. Supposedly the Fans in Seattle hated him - penalty machine, Seattle's Leno.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 25, 2020, 07:03:05 pm
Basically what I said -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBgNwhOs3kM
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 25, 2020, 07:08:21 pm
Well he'll fit right in..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2020, 07:49:43 pm
Statistical  comparisons with Leno are incredibly quite valid.   The only difference is Ifedi played on a unit that was 4th in the league in rushing.

Get him off the edge and we might have our RG, which is where most scouts predicted he'd play coming out of A&M.

 If not, he can push Massie  at RT - or at worst be the swing tackle.

The guy does have long arms- 36''.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 08:34:59 pm
What Dallas said...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 08:35:48 pm
And in no way does this move keep us from drafting OL in the 2nd round...or remove the need to do so...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2020, 09:56:27 pm

Yeah, I still think O-line is the pick in round 2. 

Ifedi is just like the recent signings at safety and corner - more needed depth with an outside chance to earn a starting role.

Bears got to be out of cap room - maybe they do more restructuring? 

Do the Bears now just wait for the draft?   Or can they pull one more FA deal?

WR isn't very deep.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 10:03:57 pm
Their biggest priority at this point should be extending ARob...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 26, 2020, 05:06:32 am
1 yr deal for a 25 year old who plays most snaps.  I am fine with the signing.  Adds depth and competition.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 26, 2020, 08:25:11 am
What I read about Ifedi is that he is crazy strong, like an ox, and has some speed, but makes way too many mental errors that lead to penalties.  Not sure that is something we can fix or not, but I hope so.  Maybe at G it will be less for him to handle.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on March 26, 2020, 09:11:40 pm
I have little confidence in Nagy..

The worst head coach in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 27, 2020, 07:41:02 am
Oh come on, we have had worse
The worst head coach in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 27, 2020, 11:02:11 am
The worst head coach in NFL history.

Um.... ok ? He's not even the BEARS worst coach ever... Personally I rank them Trestman, Wanny, and 'ole Abe Gibron....

But there is room for Nagy to keep going up the chart for sure..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 11:08:32 am
Nagy's 2 year record:  20-12 which is 63% wins  (Ditka was 63.1%)

Statistically, Abe Gibron had the worst record of any Bear coach:  winning percentage .268 followed by John Fox at .291

JeffH hasn't suffered through decades of bad Bears coaches like most of us here - I think he's a millennial, maybe a teenager.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 27, 2020, 11:48:51 am
Not quite...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2020, 03:17:28 pm
Quote
Not quite...

Is he your alter ego??  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 27, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
He's been on the Cubs board for 20+ years, so I don't think he's a teenager...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 27, 2020, 03:51:39 pm
When Nagy said I didn't come here to run the I formation when asked why don't you run from the I formation more as it is the only thing that's working - I realized he was a complete idiot.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 27, 2020, 04:31:59 pm
Kind of like when Trestman told the D to stop batting balls down during practice so the offense could get some work in.....  That's all you need to know about the TrestMess....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2020, 06:18:46 pm
That def shows lack of adaptability to the talent. Nagy should have stuck with that I formation more when it was working. Stubborness is not a strength as a coach...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 08:34:28 pm

In 2018 Nagy benefited from a turnover machine defense and pretty good health on offense.   Maybe the wins came too easily because in 2019 the turnovers dried up, more players got banged up and the offensive line all had an off year.

Hopefully, he learned something from 2019.  But I agree despite issues beyond his control he had some real brain farts in play calling.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 28, 2020, 12:37:11 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/03/former-qb-predicts-bananas-stat-line-for-nick-foles-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR1PbCMsU89JjVPY7ayBCJMPULVaZOqU55AlSbuT1wM-2VdV_6j_c-T2Aj8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 09:34:24 am
Trubisky in the two minute offense does pretty well. At end of games he has put this team in position to win some games. His problems seem to be mostly between the ears. When his line starts to break down (which is quite often in Chicago) is when he falls apart, as do many QB's. However it happens, the O line is key to winning next year...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 28, 2020, 10:03:57 am
I read someone say that Trubisky has problems with processing info quickly, and it takes him to long to figure out what to do if the first option isnt there.  So if you have a leaky O Line, that just compounds that problem.  Wish we had a QB with a super computer brain, and matching athletic skills.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 28, 2020, 10:32:24 am
Trubisky has happy feet.  When he sees pressure he bails instead of taking a step or two to avoid it.   

Pocket presence is lacking.   Is it something that can be improved or is it innate?

I was often impressed how Cutler would hold the ball until the last second before releasing the pass and getting crushed.

Is it all Trubisky?  No, the O-line especially last year would take turns losing their blocks and you rarely saw any separation with our WR routes.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 28, 2020, 10:43:21 am
Two parts of the Bears staff I think are really not too good is the WR coach and the scouts in charge of evaluating TE talent...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 11:12:41 am
I agree about Trubisky's pocket presence.. I also look at the offense overall and feel it's like blaming a sinking ship on the lack of life rafts.. Get the Oline fixed and you've taken care of a big part of the problem. The year before, when the O line was playing better, it translated to better play by the QB.. Plus, our O looked much better when Trubisky was using his wheels..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 11:14:57 am
And let's get the run game going... The whole offense seemed out of sync last year...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 28, 2020, 11:26:51 am
I agree about Trubisky's pocket presence.. I also look at the offense overall and feel it's like blaming a sinking ship on the lack of life rafts.. Get the Oline fixed and you've taken care of a big part of the problem. The year before, when the O line was playing better, it translated to better play by the QB.. Plus, our O looked much better when Trubisky was using his wheels..

Trubisky had 421 yards rushing in 2018.  193 in 2019.

 Per game that's 30 yards per  game vs 13.  Doesn't seem like a huge amount of yardage per game - just 17.   But that could be enough for 2 or 3 first downs per game.

Why didn't MT run?    Injured?  Or game plan?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 11:47:21 am
I'm assuming game plan, but certainly I have no way of knowing..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 28, 2020, 01:08:15 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/03/former-qb-predicts-bananas-stat-line-for-nick-foles-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR1PbCMsU89JjVPY7ayBCJMPULVaZOqU55AlSbuT1wM-2VdV_6j_c-T2Aj8

Yeah and run by the Monkeys too. Arent they retired yet?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on March 29, 2020, 09:36:58 pm
Nagy is a historically awful head coach.  One of the most clueless motherfuckers in the history of the NFL.

No offense to him personally.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 30, 2020, 09:44:34 am
I read this and got confused, I thought Derek Carr was saying this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/28/david-carr-predicts-big-season-for-chicago-bears-quarterback-nick-foles/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2020, 10:11:41 am
How many RG's do we need?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/29/former-all-pro-guard-kelechi-osemele-could-be-upgrade-chicago-bears-need-on-offensive-line/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I am not enamored with Ifedi. Too many penalties
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 31, 2020, 10:22:33 am
Osemele would be a decent gamble, certainly better than Ifedi - who really should be taking Lucas' spot as back up OT.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 31, 2020, 10:32:02 am
Osemele would definitely be an upgrade on Ifedi, and would greatly improve our OL depth...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 31, 2020, 11:34:41 am

Cost?  Contract?   Injury status?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2020, 03:17:24 pm
Great piece by Dan Durkin on Nick Foles…

https://theathletic.com/1691763/2020/04/01/how-the-bears-can-game-plan-for-nick-foles-success/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2020, 03:22:36 pm
Details on Foles' contract, per Ian Rapaport...

$24M over 3 years, with 21M still fully guaranteed

$6M available in incentives each year

Every $1 earned of incentives also escalates the following year's salary

Foles can void '21 and '22 if he meets performance-based incentives


So the Bears didn't take on the full Jags contract situation...which makes the price (4th rounder) a little more understandable...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 01, 2020, 08:25:28 pm
The #s on the Files deal look great.  At worst it's a competent backup for 8 million a year. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2020, 10:15:00 pm
Didn’t we pay Daniel 10M?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 01, 2020, 11:28:57 pm
I really do like the Foles signing. He was the best option really available for the price IMO. Glad we passed on Newton....think he's pretty much washed up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 02, 2020, 04:52:09 am
Newton's a head case..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 02, 2020, 08:18:33 am
Tape never lies Nick Foles breakdown:

https://youtu.be/-s2xD65GoZQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2020, 08:57:35 am
It's nice to have a QB with as many rings and as many Super Bowl MVP awards as Aaron Rodgers...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 02, 2020, 08:59:16 am
agreed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 02, 2020, 09:25:18 am
I am warming to the Foles signing (https://beargoggleson.com/2020/04/02/comparing-nick-foles-contract-to-other-veteran-qbs/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email) and looking forward to see him start for the Bears after re-watching some of his past success.  But Pace is spending a ton of money to make up for his incompetence at the top of his drafts.
Title: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2020, 10:25:51 am
https://twitter.com/robertkschmitz/status/1245458256585203714?s=21

https://www.youtube.com/embed/FRlu5Ijg4ZY
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 02, 2020, 10:39:41 am
His breakdowns are pretty good to watch...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 03, 2020, 10:20:49 am
From the Suntimes (https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/3/21206904/bears-mitch-trubisky-nick-foles-who-will-start-quarterback-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-free-agency-chicago?tpcc=email-sports)

“We’ve talked to both players,” general manager Ryan Pace said in a teleconference Friday. “The way we view this is, it’s an open competition.”

Coach Matt Nagy said the Bears spoke to Trubisky about the move and “you could feel how much a competitor” he was.

“Mitch is really embracing it,” Nagy said. “He’s had an unbelievable personality throughout it.”

The Bears will play both in preseason games. Nagy said he plans to play starters in the preseason more than he has the past two seasons.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 03, 2020, 10:50:28 am
cool
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on April 03, 2020, 11:39:48 am
  I just read where Pace envisions Ifedi as a guard. I'll go along with that. I don't think he is quick or nimble enough to block in space. Could be decent on the interior of the line?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 03, 2020, 06:21:54 pm

RG is open but he has experience at RT too.  Similar to Coward but with much more experience.

Is competition among Efedi, Bars and Coward enough for Pace to bypass O-line in round 2?

Aside from WR, depth is there at every position. 

The board is wide open for Pace.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 03, 2020, 08:29:02 pm
RG is open but he has experience at RT too.  Similar to Coward but with much more experience.

Is competition among Efedi, Bars and Coward enough for Pace to bypass O-line in round 2?

Aside from WR, depth is there at every position. 

The board is wide open for Pace.
In a perfect world, pace gets a fast WR and a G with the two 2nds.  I like Ifedi as the first backup at multiple positions, but I hope he isn't the starter going into the season.  I really hope we aren't relying on Bars and Coward as anything other than the last couple of OL on the roster.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 03, 2020, 09:04:20 pm
Depends on who falls...if a CB like Diggs or a S like Delpit falls, I take them with little hesitation...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 03, 2020, 11:54:53 pm
The weakest position area of importance is corner.

Unless Tolliver is ready Fullers the only one of starter quality and they’re screwed if he gets hurt.

The say it’s a WR. OT heavy draft.  Definitely need a tackle addition. 

Other position choices make them better but have to stop the bleeding first.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 04, 2020, 05:10:41 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlu5Ijg4ZY
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 04, 2020, 10:37:55 am
Thats a great video breakdown of the rule of 3 and Quinn.  I sure hope he is right.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 04, 2020, 01:10:39 pm
I think that the Bears are confident that between Tolliver, Roberson and Burns that they are going to turn up a competent #2.  With the pass rush they should have, these guys shouldn't have to cover long.  I think SS is a more pressing need than #2 cb.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 04, 2020, 01:21:38 pm
I think that the Bears are confident that between Tolliver, Roberson and Burns that they are going to turn up a competent #2.  With the pass rush they should have, these guys shouldn't have to cover long.  I think SS is a more pressing need than #2 cb.

I sure hope they’re not, big mistake.

Tolliver played OK for a couple of games but was getting burned deep.  A lot depends on any improvement in camp.
The guy from Canada is an unknown.  Few Canadian league players have seen success. Burns has failed.
I really think they need to add a better option.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 04, 2020, 02:28:42 pm
count me as a big Tolliver fan.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 04, 2020, 03:59:40 pm
I sure hope they’re not, big mistake.

Tolliver played OK for a couple of games but was getting burned deep.  A lot depends on any improvement in camp.
The guy from Canada is an unknown.  Few Canadian league players have seen success. Burns has failed.
I really think they need to add a better option.

I think that the Bears are confident that between Tolliver, Roberson and Burns that they are going to turn up a competent #2.  With the pass rush they should have, these guys shouldn't have to cover long.  I think SS is a more pressing need than #2 cb.

I've stated this on several occassions - from a depth chart point of view we look decent at CB.  We have 3 guys with various backgrounds and concerns that will compete.  Safety doesn't quite have the same depth and would appear to be more of a need early in the draft.

But if you have a hole at corner no rule of 3 pass rush will save you.  Amukamora gave us steady play but not so much in 2019.  He was abused repeatedly for big plays down the field.   I think we need more competition at safety but I think corner is a more critical position.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 08, 2020, 05:12:53 am
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/gm-report/bears-benefit-from-restructuring-of-nick-foles-deal
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 08, 2020, 05:26:42 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/the-1985-bears-were-crowned-as-our-best-nfl-team-ever-why-is-their-legacy-so-strong-160013364.html
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 08, 2020, 09:27:39 am
The details of Foles' contract restructuring are beyond great!

We couldn't expect much better than that...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 13, 2020, 09:24:55 am
Bears/Packers from Week 1 2018 is on NFLN right now...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 14, 2020, 07:14:38 am
Some fantastic news:

Brad Childress has been circling retirement for some time and the former Vikings head coach says that he’s finally reached the point where he’s ready to walk away from football for good.

Childress first said he was retiring in 2018 when he gave up his job as an assistant to Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, but that was a brief absence from the game as he became an advisor to Bears head coach Matt Nagy a short time later. He took a job as a head coach in the Alliance of American Football, but left before the league’s ill-fated inaugural season to return to Chicago.

Childress said in January that he wouldn’t return to the Bears, but didn’t close the door on a similar advisory role for Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski, who broke into the NFL when Childress was the Vikings coach. Childress now says that door is closed.

“People say, ‘Is he really retired? Is he really, really retired?'” Childress said, via Chris Tomasson of the Pioneer Press. “Yeah. Last year was my last year. I just felt like it was time to move on. It’s about time. I put my toe in the water in retirement and pretty soon you’ve got to jump in. It’s more about spending time with my family and grandkids and that type of thing.”

Childress was 39-35 as the Vikings head coach and has coached in the NFL in one form or another since 199.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 17, 2020, 04:49:37 pm
Bears sign OT Jason Spriggs and cut Burton.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2020, 05:30:03 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/17/21222202/chicago-bears-breaking-news-roster-schedule-stats-salary-cap-mitch-trubisky-nick-foles-matt-nagy

Its no surprise but that increases the odds that the Bears go after a TE in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2020, 05:43:28 pm
A comment on Spriggs via NBC Sports Chicago:

Where would they use Spriggs ? He can’t play either Tackle spot,… we saw that. It’s why he isn’t in GB anymore. Maybe at Rt Guard ?

From a Packer fan, obviously. If Spriggs has anything left I think Castillo will get it out of him. This is a coverup for the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 06:41:59 pm
A comment on Spriggs via NBC Sports Chicago:

Where would they use Spriggs ? He can’t play either Tackle spot,… we saw that. It’s why he isn’t in GB anymore. Maybe at Rt Guard ?

From a Packer fan, obviously. If Spriggs has anything left I think Castillo will get it out of him. This is a coverup for the draft.

Spriggs, a former second-round draft pick out of Indiana, was rumored to be a draft target of the Bears in 2016, but the Packers traded up to take him one spot in front of Chicago at 48 overall. That may have prompted Bears’ GM Ryan Pace to trade back and eventually take offensive lineman Cody Whitehair with the 56th overall pick, and Whitehair has been a mainstay on the Bears offensive line by never missing a start in four years.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 17, 2020, 07:51:36 pm
So we've signed 2 failed high draft pick linemen.

If they don't show well in camp. can they be cut or is there a big cap hit?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 08:14:27 pm

Almost every high round free agent that Pace has signed, and there's been a bunch, are on 1 year deals.  I don't think these are big money deals that hurt the cap.  These are guys trying to prove themselves at a discount so they can get that big second contract.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 17, 2020, 08:17:59 pm
Almost every high round free agent that Pace has signed, and there's been a bunch, are on 1 year deals.  I don't think these are big money deals that hurt the cap.  These are guys trying to prove themselves at a discount so they can get that big second contract.

But are the contracts dependent on making the team?

I'm thinking there will be some good late round prospects that may be better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 08:25:25 pm

Most of these do have heavy guarentees, but the overall deal is not big.  Example Artie Burns signed a 1 year deal for a million or so, but $800K is guarenteed.

Late round picks contributing are few and far between.  I expect the Bears to be real aggressive with the undrafted guys.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 17, 2020, 10:45:20 pm
seems Spriggs was a left tackle at Indiana, but played mostly on right side for Packers. Was injured a lot with Pack & spent all of last year on IR. I like the signing.

JP Holtz signed. Good, he was great at Fullback.

They never should have resigned Cowart, Nagy may be stupid enough to play him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 18, 2020, 05:50:18 am
Spriggs is still 25 and was on IR last season.  This may turn out, and if not, we aren't out much.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 18, 2020, 06:53:05 am
And now for something completely different......  :D

Saw what looked like Thomas Jones playing a bit part on Amazon's "Bosche" last night. Thought that was interesting.......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 19, 2020, 03:29:00 am
seems Spriggs was a left tackle at Indiana, but played mostly on right side for Packers. Was injured a lot with Pack & spent all of last year on IR. I like the signing.

JP Holtz signed. Good, he was great at Fullback.

They never should have resigned Cowart, Nagy may be stupid enough to play him.

I'd like the Bears to sign a true fullback.  Someone that can knock linebackers on their a$$, catch the ball out of the backfield and pick up a 3rd an 1.

As for Coward, yes he struggled.  But he's a converted DE that was shifted to tackle.  He only was inserted at guard after Long was benched last season.  He'll have a year of experience under his belt and a new OL coach.  He's only 25 so he has potential and could provide depth.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2020, 04:59:22 am
the problem with FB is Nagy is resistant to use the I formation. He's wedded to the shotgun & 1 back formation.

Cowart is terrible, he lacks the balance an OL needs. He sucks, accept it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 19, 2020, 03:57:15 pm

Not saying Coward should be penciled in as a starter.  He's only 25 and should be giving a chance to compete for a roster spot.  That roster spot could be RG, RT or a swing player that might be able to play multiple O-line spots.  Maybe practice squad.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2020, 04:42:43 pm
do you keep poison in your kitchen cabinet? No, you get rid of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 19, 2020, 05:16:45 pm
According to Hub Arkush. the coaches are pretty high on Kevin Toliver at CB.

They signed Burns because he is a very good special teams player, not so much for CB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 03:51:53 am

If that's true who is Tolliver's competition?  The Canada guy?  If that's the case Bears are picking a corner in round 2.

You think Burns was told he was brought to Chicago to play special teams or to compete for the open CB job?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 20, 2020, 04:54:46 am
Dallasbear/dallasbear 2 - What is u with your usernames?   ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 20, 2020, 05:40:02 am
If that's true who is Tolliver's competition?  The Canada guy?  If that's the case Bears are picking a corner in round 2.

You think Burns was told he was brought to Chicago to play special teams or to compete for the open CB job?

I think he signed the only contract he was offered since last season he wasn’t on the game day roster
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 12:11:32 pm
Dallasbear/dallasbear 2 - What is u with your usernames?   ;D

It's good unless you see the two usernames having an argument.  As long as they pretty much agree with each other and our civil about it  I agreed they could have the 2 IDs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 12:18:00 pm
I think he signed the only contract he was offered since last season he wasn’t on the game day roster

Cornerback Artie Burns said at the end of 2019 that he was excited about the prospect of moving on from the Steelers after being on the field for just 66 defensive snaps in the regular season.

Burns has found a team that wants to give him an opportunity for a more productive season. Agent Drew Rosenhaus told PFT that Burns has signed a one-year contract with the Bears.


He signed a minimum deal - I'd bet he had a few other offers though and picked the Bears because of Amukamora's release.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 20, 2020, 02:19:57 pm
chilaborgport,

I heard on Locked On Bears from a Steelers observer a while ago that Burns had the skills to cover Antonio Brown like a glove in practice consistently so much so that they would come to blows.  The key would be to get him to understand his assignments and maybe Pagano could unlock some of that potential.

Then again if CB is BPA early in the draft, then I'm all for solidifying the D...as long as Winfield is also a Bear too :-)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 02:58:44 pm

I really like Winfield.  And I'd consider him in round 2, only because he has traits of both a SS and FS.  7 picks in 2019!

And an argument could be made that safety right now is the weakest position on the team from a talent and depth point of view.   I'd be kind of OK with Bush starting but he and Lucas don't have a whole lot of starting safety experience.  After that you have McManis and maybe Denmark if he moves to safety.

Bears will add a safety in this draft but I don't see chasing a SS in round 2 if he's strictly a SS type.   You can get that guy later.

It may be tough to pass up some good talent in round 2 and drop to late round 2, but there's going to be some good players in round 3.  And I'd like to get a pick in round 4 but I don't think the Bears have the ammo to trade up with the picks they have in round 5, 6(2), and 7(2).
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 21, 2020, 09:32:01 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV6YOTf142A
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 21, 2020, 07:07:48 pm
For those of you who like misery and suffering, the 2017 draft is just starting on ESPN2...the Browns are on the clock, and we are about to do the unthinkable...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 22, 2020, 06:10:17 am
Remember years ago when the Vikings were late getting with their pick in a row ? And it happened again the next year too. Now that was hilarious..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 22, 2020, 06:50:40 am
For those of you who like misery and suffering, the 2017 draft is just starting on ESPN2...the Browns are on the clock, and we are about to do the unthinkable...

I would have to rewatch 2 episodes of the Last Dance and Game 6 and 7 of 2016 WS to cancel out how I feel about that moment.  He traded up for what...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on April 25, 2020, 11:14:19 pm
Apparently the Bears signed Macks younger brother.  That **** never works out but they did it just the same.

Remember when they signed Urlachers brother?  Yeah, I expect it to end the same way.  Cut in training camp.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 26, 2020, 08:03:14 am
Cole Kemit pick seems safe.  I think he is future solid starter.  Do not think he will become a superstar.  Every team needs solid starters.  I am ok with the pick.

I really really like the Jaylon Johnson pick.  The guy played the whole season hurt and still played at an elite level.  Seems like a fierce competitor. I think he is a standout in 2 years.

5th rounders.  The highlights of the speedy WR left me unimpressed.  I think he is basically a cheap version of Taylor Gabriel.  A fast player that does not make many catches.  The pass rushing OLB is a project but 5th rounders are usually projects.  Another CB?  I think that is Pagano's influence.

Two OL projects in the 7th I am fine with.  Only objection is I would rather have spent the 5th rounder on Oline instead of CB.

No SS?  Surprising.  Guess they feel really good about Bush.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2020, 08:09:15 am
When I think of Bush I think of Beer not SS.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on April 26, 2020, 08:58:12 am
Apparently the Bears signed Macks younger brother.  That **** never works out but they did it just the same.

Remember when they signed Urlachers brother?  Yeah, I expect it to end the same way.  Cut in training camp.

Didn't someone sign Archie Manning's kids?

More seriously, what in the world do they have to lose?  I doubt that the signing will have a significant effect on the salary cap.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2020, 11:02:36 am
Maybe they can move another CB to SS
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on April 26, 2020, 01:31:20 pm
I've never been a big Pace fan, but given how many picks the Bears had, I thought he did fine.  All eyes are on Mitch now, use it or lose it, you've got a superbowl mvp jabbing a stick up your bottom wanting to start. Unless those last two picks are sleepers I don' see the OL getting much better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 26, 2020, 01:46:10 pm
Archie Mannings kids were a BIT higher ranked me thinks, lol.....bit different....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 26, 2020, 04:38:32 pm
The udfa haul this year isn't great either.   Ahmed Wagner switching to U TE is interesting.  RB Artavis Pierce has a shot at the roster because rb is thin.  Dieter Eiselen is big and seems nasty.  The highlights of him destroying ivy league defenders is fun.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 26, 2020, 10:21:01 pm
Maybe they can move another CB to SS

I'm keeping an eye on Stephen Denmark last years's 7th rounder.   He's huge, sub 4.5 40 and 42" vertical.  He's a small school project that I think Bears should be moving to safety.  He got "hurt" in preseason and we never got much of a chance to see him play.

I'm thinking after the cuts we'll see another safety signed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 27, 2020, 07:51:51 am
...or maybe sign Tony Jefferson at an injury risk incentive laden discount

IMO final TE room will end up being Kmet, Graham, Horstead, Harris, and Stoltz as more of FB.  Raymond maybe on the taxi squad...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 09:02:37 am
I'm keeping an eye on Stephen Denmark last years's 7th rounder.

True, kinda lost and forgotten. I guess we'll just have to look for him come TC. He's kinda like this years crop of UDFAs. I still think we missed the boat not doing a tradedown from 50 to pick up a SS.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 27, 2020, 10:46:12 am
...or maybe sign Tony Jefferson at an injury risk incentive laden discount

IMO final TE room will end up being Kmet, Graham, Horstead, Harris, and Stoltz as more of FB.  Raymond maybe on the taxi squad...

Don't count out Braunecker.  And has Shaheen been released yet?   Still wondering what he could contribute if healthy - but he's probably gone.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 27, 2020, 10:46:55 am
Whoops never mind Raymond...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 27, 2020, 11:07:24 am
Don't count out Braunecker.  And has Shaheen been released yet?   Still wondering what he could contribute if healthy - but he's probably gone.

I thought I just read something saying Shaheen is gone... I could be wrong
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 11:13:19 am
I believe it was speculation he was gone. I've not seen it in print.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 28, 2020, 08:42:52 am
McDonough was canned after presiding over 3 championships in the last 10 years.

Dear Virginia and George,

Besides the obsolete undersized spaceship ATM machine by the lake, remind me again why sweaty Teddy still has his job?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 09:53:24 am
He gone:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/chicago-bears-release-tight-end-dax-raymond/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 28, 2020, 02:55:07 pm
The Bears are bringing back John Jenkins.

He'll provide some nice depth on the DLine...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 09:02:17 pm
Jenkins is a backup for Goldman.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 30, 2020, 01:26:21 pm
Say what:

The Bears added someone to catch passes who isn’t a tight end, even though he has hands like a guard.

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Bears have agreed to a one-year deal with veteran receiver Ted Ginn Jr.

They were looking for someone with speed, and the 35-year-old Ginn still has that.

His ability to catch flying things remains suspect, and it remains to be seen if he can still be productive when not playing with an MVP-level quarterback. He had good years in Carolina with Cam Newton, and was an effective complement early on with the Saints and Drew Brees.

Otherwise, the former top-10 pick has been less than consistent in terms of catching the ball, and now he’ll be on the receiving end of passes from (probably) Nick Foles or (maybe) Mitchell Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 01:32:55 pm

He looked pretty good against the Bears last season.  Had a 45 yard catch.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 04:53:45 pm

Bears are signing a bunch of skill guys after the Monday deadline.    If you sign a guy after Monday he doesn't count against the formula for calculating comp picks in 2021.  Right now Bears lost Ha Ha, Kwiatowski, Pierre-Louis but added Quinn.   That formula ends up giving the Bears 2 comp 6th rounders in 2021.

Since that date has passed Bears signed WRs Trevor Davis and Ginn and now Houston safety Tashaun Gipson.  I think he's the favorite to start next to Jackson.

I thought  that the Bears would go corner in the draft early and draft a safety later on, but this works for me.   With the draft and this signing defense looks pretty good with much more depth.  Only questionable depth is at ILB with the unproven Joel Iyiegbuniwe.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 30, 2020, 05:09:17 pm
Bears are signing a bunch of skill guys after the Monday deadline.    If you sign a guy after Monday he doesn't count against the formula for calculating comp picks in 2021.  Right now Bears lost Ha Ha, Kwiatowski, Pierre-Louis but added Quinn.   That formula ends up giving the Bears 2 comp 6th rounders in 2021.

Since that date has passed Bears signed WRs Trevor Davis and Ginn and now Houston safety Tashaun Gipson.  I think he's the favorite to start next to Jackson.

I thought  that the Bears would go corner in the draft early and draft a safety later on, but this works for me.   With the draft and this signing defense looks pretty good with much more depth.  Only questionable depth is at ILB with the unproven Joel Iyiegbuniwe.

The only thing he's proven is he can't ply ILB.  Should be easy to plug in a FA vet (Denzel Perryman?) and maybe a rookie to finish the roster.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 05:48:10 pm

I liked the Iggy pick but he may be more suited for a 4-3 as a WLB.  Not all these guys are immediate successes their rookie season.  He came out a year early out of Western Kentucky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2020, 04:17:07 am
Is the loss of Lucas also a comp pick?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2020, 06:54:13 am
I got the safety need when they signed Gipson. What I didnt get is why he has done so much moving around. I have it figured it out is that he wasnt worth the money he was being paid. I am glad to see we didnt overpay him. Can he stick? If he plays like Jane (which I suspect) I kind of doubt it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/30/21243367/bears-free-agency-2020-safety-tashaun-gipson-bears-sign-eddie-jackson-deon-bush-ryan-pace-one-year
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2020, 07:07:00 am
Gipson has had two good stints.  Drafted by Cleveland then signed a second contract with Jacksonville and played for 3 years.  Probably overpriced himself and went to the Texans... that and Jacksonville has been slashing payroll.  I think it was a good signing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 01, 2020, 04:22:50 pm
Well on the bright side (maybe) of the draft and all those TEs we won't have to be subjected to Shaheen blocking and running around like his pants are around his ankles....

I'd still fire anyone having anything to do with TEs in Halas Hall. You can't be that bad at a position (unless at QB but that's another discussion) for so long without intentionally trying to screw it up. And when they had one they traded him away (Olsen). Its Ditka curse I guess..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2020, 05:29:02 pm

I may be the only one on this board but I think the Bears should keep Shaheen...at least through training camp/preseason. 

His problem has always been health.  And we got him for another season under contract let's give him a shot to see what he can do.

I was not in favor of him being drafted in the 2nd round - too slow and the small school level of competition.  Just not ready to give up on him just yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2020, 05:37:37 pm
I would have to see him in training camp to want to keep him.

He's had so few game opportunities.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on May 01, 2020, 06:25:06 pm
I would like for the Bears to keep Shaheen, at least until someone beats him out in a fair competition when he is healthy.  But I am more optimistic about the kid from the Ivy League.  I think he could be as good a pass catching tight end as the one they gave away for nothing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 02, 2020, 01:08:51 am
Is the loss of Lucas also a comp pick?

I didn't see his name mentioned in the article.  There's some formula someone in the NFL uses based on the contract that the FA signs.

Adds:  Quinn and  Ifedi
Losses:  Clinton-Dix, Kwiatkowski, Pierre-Louis (and Lucas)

Bears get 2 2021 sixth-rounders
 

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 02, 2020, 04:40:39 am
I've heard it reported, I believe on Mully and Haugh, that the Bears are in line to get 3 @ 6th rounders and a 7.  The 7 will go to the Raiders for Pinero... easy come, easy go
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 02, 2020, 12:03:13 pm

Over the cap agrees with that but Si.com is saying 3 6th rounders - I don't think anyone knows for sure because of the secret NFL formula but yeah, 4 total picks in round 6 is good ammo to move up.

I forgot about these 2 FAs that we lost before the deadline:

Adds:  Quinn and  Ifedi
Losses:  Clinton-Dix, Kwiatkowski, Pierre-Louis, Lucas, Chase Daniels and Nick Williams 

Is it too early to look at the 2021 mock draft?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 02, 2020, 03:32:21 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/02/bears-decline-mitch-trubisky-option/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 03, 2020, 12:06:04 pm
Everywhere I read articles talking about Trubisky and his lack of production in his 3rd season. Back in the day, if Joe Montana had this sh!tty O line, no consistent run game, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't have looked like the QB he was. With that said, look at Nagy, he sure as heck isn't the next coming...

Trubisky is taking the fall for a crappy O line, a crappy head coach and a crappy GM..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 03, 2020, 01:16:13 pm
And the fact that Nagy took away for most of the year the thing he did so well, moving and running, and was forcing him to stay in the pocket (which was a suicide mission with our OL), I dont blame Mitch for all of his problems.  Missing wide open WRs with no pressure, well that one is on him. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 03, 2020, 10:11:47 pm

Wasn't Nagy coach of the year his first year and now he's a crappy head coach.  Trubisky and Leno were pro bowlers now they are toilet bowlers.

Everything looks setup for a rebound in 2020.  QB competition, a couple new speedy WRs, a bunch of new DBs, two starting TEs, top flight FA pass rusher...everything in place except the Bears most likely will be starting 4 of the same 5 guys on the offensive line.

Will Ifedi be enough to make them people movers in the run game?  Better focus, better line coaching, and better technique may clean up the pass blocking to be respectable but can they push defenders off the LOS?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 04, 2020, 05:25:50 am
Nagy's "coach of the year" benefited from Fangio's defense.. No Fangio= 8and8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 04, 2020, 06:23:32 am
IMHO the sum of the parts Fangio/Nagy was better than the sum of the parts with Pagano/Nagy.

I think the team talent-wise was equivalent.

Not sure WTF happened to Hiestand though......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on May 04, 2020, 07:24:30 am
Didn’t they switch to a zone scheme last year? Maybe these guys are better drive blockers?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 10:20:33 am
Didn’t they switch to a zone scheme last year? Maybe these guys are better drive blockers?

Yup, ding ding ding. exactamente.. Thats why Hiestand had to go. Problema numero uno.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on May 04, 2020, 10:28:44 am
Which is why when they switched to the power I formation in that one drive it worked. I’m sure the reasoning is zone blocking in the run scheme looks a lot like pass blocking which makes the offense look less predictable but if your guys can’t do it then it doesn’t work.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 10:30:30 am
And this popped up on my radar screen. We got this new SS Gipson. Yeah he has experience per Draft wire, agreed. But this scares me.

While Gipson has played most of his career as a free safety, the Bears appear to have confidence that Gipson will thrive in the role as strong safety alongside Jackson, who will return to free safety this season, where he’s been at his best.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/03/five-things-to-know-chicago-bears-safety-tashaun-gipson/

This sent up the warning flags.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 04, 2020, 11:10:44 am
Last season our run game ranked 27th. Yards on the ground were down by 25%. Personnel, play calling.. both.. Look at the Titans with Henry. Their QB is less than stellar..

If Mack doesn't have a better season this year, the trade will go down as Wannstedt like.. And/or Pagano should never be allowed to coach again..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 04, 2020, 12:48:48 pm
IMHO the sum of the parts Fangio/Nagy was better than the sum of the parts with Pagano/Nagy.

I think the team talent-wise was equivalent.

Not sure WTF happened to Hiestand though......

I think defense's decline last year was due to Fangio, Akiem Hick's injury, Amukamora losing a step and the offense.

Poor offense puts more burden on defense.  Worse field position.  If behind in the score the defense has to play more honest.  Also TOP means defense is running out of gas in 4th quarter.

It's all connected.  Just as lack of turnovers on defense results in offense being less productive.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2020, 01:51:20 pm
Hicks' injury was everything to the defense. The difference was night and day.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 02:09:37 pm
I agree because the offense could concentrate on Mack. No factor on the other side (Floyd) horrible and Hicks out with injury
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 04, 2020, 02:59:01 pm
We can hope that our D gets back to form. Foles plays well and maybe a season off will do Trubisky some good (if he somehow stays with the bears).. If the Bears falter, at the least I would expect Pace to be unemployed..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 04, 2020, 05:06:02 pm
I agree because the offense could concentrate on Mack. No factor on the other side (Floyd) horrible and Hicks out with injury

Yes and no.  I think many of us are under the belief that Mack is double/triple teamed every play and that's not the case.  Sure he gets doubled or the half back/TE may try to slow him down before going out on a pattern.  But for the overwhelming majority of the time Mack is not double teamed.

If you watch line play.  You'll see that when the Bears rush 4 (no blitzes) and the offense block with 5 that the center and guard more frequently block one of the interior rushers.  Mack had somewhat of an off year (if you measure success by sacks) because Hicks wasn't around to disrupt the middle force the QB to scramble.  And with Floyd not providing consistent pressure from his side it all meant less sack opportunities for Mack.

If we can keep Hicks, Quinn, Robertson-Harrison, Goldman and Nichols healthy most of the year - Mack will have a huge year.   It also would help for the Bears offense to show up and give these guys a break.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 04, 2020, 11:41:12 pm

First time I've read that Stephen Denmark in the mix at safety:

https://timeskewed.com/2020/05/04/who-will-the-chicago-bears-start-at-strong-safety-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3ZNKf0Ji4vq7URWeuXTbSJn6KyV4qdzuxIQQ191awA-GS05dABrKAty0w
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2020, 09:02:04 am
That is a surprise. That sounds more like he is out at CB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2020, 10:18:22 am
This is a little bit painful to read...by Dan Pompei...

https://theathletic.com/1792322/2020/05/05/what-if-the-bears-had-drafted-joe-montana/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2020, 10:27:54 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/2/21245387/bears-mitch-trubisky-fifth-year-option-ryan-pace-quarterback-kyle-fuller-kevin-white-2017-draft

Who gives a rat's butt?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on May 05, 2020, 10:38:04 am
Hey - at least we're not the Bengals
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2020, 10:49:33 am
So whats wrong with that? I think they are getting a very good QB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2020, 12:01:06 pm
Here's an excerpt from the Pompei article...


In the draft room on the morning of May 3 were team founder George Halas, general manager Jim Finks, assistant to the general manager Bill McGrane, head coach Neill Armstrong, scout Jim Parmer, Tobin and Vainisi.

The Dolphins chose tight end Ronnie Lee with the 65th pick, and the Bears were on the clock. Tobin’s heart started racing. Finks kept telling Tobin it was a lock the Bears would get him in the third round.

Vainisi took the magnet with Montana’s name on it from the bullpen area of the draft board. He placed it with the Bears’ other picks — Dan Hampton, Al Harris and Ricky Watts.
As the Bears neared the end of their allotted time, Finks spoke. “Put him back in the bullpen,” he said, according to Vainisi. “Let’s talk about this some more.”

Bob Avellini had taken the Bears to the playoffs two years before. Finks thought Vince Evans had potential. And the general manager had not given up on Mike Phipps, for whom he had traded a first-round pick. “We would be muddying the waters with another quarterback,” Finks told the others.

Then Finks expressed concern about the depth at running back behind Walter Payton. “Who’s the best running back left?” he asked. Their highest-rated remaining back was Willie McClendon from Georgia.

After some deliberation, Finks announced the Bears were taking McClendon. “Bill Tobin almost had apoplexy,” McGrane said before his death in 2015. “He was beside himself, sick he didn’t get Montana.”

Finks became a Hall of Famer, but it was not a Hall of Fame moment.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 05, 2020, 01:47:20 pm
Everywhere I read articles talking about Trubisky and his lack of production in his 3rd season. Back in the day, if Joe Montana had this sh!tty O line, no consistent run game, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't have looked like the QB he was. With that said, look at Nagy, he sure as heck isn't the next coming...

Trubisky is taking the fall for a crappy O line, a crappy head coach and a crappy GM..

I think too much of the blame has fallen on Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 05, 2020, 02:02:21 pm
I think too much of the blame has fallen on Trubisky.

They're now hoping Foles will save them. Yet either way, Pace looks bad...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 05, 2020, 02:04:14 pm
Here's an excerpt from the Pompei article...


In the draft room on the morning of May 3 were team founder George Halas, general manager Jim Finks, assistant to the general manager Bill McGrane, head coach Neill Armstrong, scout Jim Parmer, Tobin and Vainisi.

The Dolphins chose tight end Ronnie Lee with the 65th pick, and the Bears were on the clock. Tobin’s heart started racing. Finks kept telling Tobin it was a lock the Bears would get him in the third round.

Vainisi took the magnet with Montana’s name on it from the bullpen area of the draft board. He placed it with the Bears’ other picks — Dan Hampton, Al Harris and Ricky Watts.
As the Bears neared the end of their allotted time, Finks spoke. “Put him back in the bullpen,” he said, according to Vainisi. “Let’s talk about this some more.”

Bob Avellini had taken the Bears to the playoffs two years before. Finks thought Vince Evans had potential. And the general manager had not given up on Mike Phipps, for whom he had traded a first-round pick. “We would be muddying the waters with another quarterback,” Finks told the others.

Then Finks expressed concern about the depth at running back behind Walter Payton. “Who’s the best running back left?” he asked. Their highest-rated remaining back was Willie McClendon from Georgia.

After some deliberation, Finks announced the Bears were taking McClendon. “Bill Tobin almost had apoplexy,” McGrane said before his death in 2015. “He was beside himself, sick he didn’t get Montana.”

Finks became a Hall of Famer, but it was not a Hall of Fame moment.


Montana then, and just recently we could've had Mahomes.. Now we're hoping a career backup will save the franchise..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on May 05, 2020, 02:45:26 pm
Montana likely wouldn’t have been Montana I. Chicago.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 05, 2020, 03:45:57 pm
That is a surprise. That sounds more like he is out at CB.

I was hoping they were considering this move.  He's a project.  Played WR for 3 years at Valdosta State and was moved to CB his last year.  His measurables are off the charts:  6-3 220  4.46 40   43 1/2 vertical

I think he just doesn't have the footwork you need at this stage in his career to compete at corner.  So it appears they are going to try him at safety. 

The best that we can hope for is for him to make the 53 man as a special teamer and some spot playing at SS.  Maybe compete for a starting spot in 2021.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 05, 2020, 03:52:07 pm
I think too much of the blame has fallen on Trubisky.

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I think y'all are blind. He looks like a guy that doesn't have enough game reps... Shocker. That's what he is.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on May 05, 2020, 05:09:41 pm
  I haven't been impressed with Nagy's past performances with regards to his drafts and free agency acquisitions,but,after looking at this years offseason moves,I actually think this team has improved. I haven't seen the typical reaches in FA and the highly questionable decisions in the draft. Other than passing on OT Joshua Jones in the 2nd round I like what I have seen. Improvements from last year at QB,Defensive backfield,linebacking core,TE and WR. I think he solidified OL depth. It's definitely a wait and see proposition,but,I feel better right now heading into the preseason than I did last year at this time.

  On another note if any of you haven't checked out undrafted OG Dieter Eiselen's youtube video maybe you should. I have never seen anyone maul so many defenders he was blocking. Maybe it won't translate to the NFL,but,it's worth checking out.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 06, 2020, 07:13:47 am
Eiselen's main goal seems to be to not only block each player, but to drive him into the ground.  I so want to see him play.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2020, 08:14:38 am
I was worried about this before and this kind of amplifies it. Maybe it isnt going to be a problem, but Gipson isnt the strong safety type and admits it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/5/21248565/bears-free-agent-tashaun-gipson-eddie-jackson-safety-texan-buster-skrine-opportunity-couldnt-pass-by
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2020, 11:35:14 am
This is something I thought about from our draft:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/04/chicago-bears-should-think-about-signing-free-agent-running-back-devonta-freeman-lamar-miller-carlos-hyde/

We are a RB short
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 06, 2020, 12:44:10 pm
I was worried about this before and this kind of amplifies it. Maybe it isnt going to be a problem, but Gipson isnt the strong safety type and admits it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/5/21248565/bears-free-agent-tashaun-gipson-eddie-jackson-safety-texan-buster-skrine-opportunity-couldnt-pass-by

I'll admit there is a difference between SS and FS, but its not like in the old days.  How many times do you see the Bears bring the SS into the box - not very many.

Most of the time both safeties are playing center field.  Gipson has the size and has played SS a couple years in his career. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2020, 04:13:14 pm
Interesting:

Because football is the only major sport that hasn’t been interrupted by the coronavirus pandemic and the NFL has plowed through its offseason as usual, there seems to be an assumption that it’ll continue to do so.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/6/21247177/chicago-bears-2020-schedule-comes-out-thursday-here-is-what-the-nfl-should-do-coronavirus
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 06, 2020, 07:15:22 pm
Interesting:

Because football is the only major sport that hasn’t been interrupted by the coronavirus pandemic and the NFL has plowed through its offseason as usual, there seems to be an assumption that it’ll continue to do so.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/6/21247177/chicago-bears-2020-schedule-comes-out-thursday-here-is-what-the-nfl-should-do-coronavirus

Hope so.. I wish baseball would get going...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 07, 2020, 07:55:17 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/thegeorgeyou/status/1258150139753050112
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
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I think y'all are blind. He looks like a guy that doesn't have enough game reps... Shocker. That's what he is.

I am not saying that Trubisky deserves no blame.  I was responding to Chifan, basically in agreement.  Nagy was bullheaded and went away from what works too often, offensive line was awful, and the only reliable weapon that the Bears had on offense was Robinson.  Trubisky looked worse than the prior year.  Was he the sole offender to our offense?  No.  Is it being painted that way more so in the media?  Absolutely.  All 4 components caused our offensive ineptitude.

Does that fix it for you?

Now we are going to have some tight ends, but generally, not much was done.  Will changing coaches, an offseason of Nagy self reflection (plug in either Green Bay game and the Dallas game), a journeyman QB, fix everything? 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 07, 2020, 12:37:06 pm
I am not saying that Trubisky deserves no blame.  I was responding to Chifan, basically in agreement.  Nagy was bullheaded and went away from what works too often, offensive line was awful, and the only reliable weapon that the Bears had on offense was Robinson.  Trubisky looked worse than the prior year.  Was he the sole offender to our offense?  No.  Is it being painted that way more so in the media?  Absolutely.  All 4 components caused our offensive ineptitude.

Does that fix it for you?

Now we are going to have some tight ends, but generally, not much was done.  Will changing coaches, an offseason of Nagy self reflection (plug in either Green Bay game and the Dallas game), a journeyman QB, fix everything? 

I agree with ya Griz.. Sh!t show last season and most want to blame Trubisky..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2020, 12:47:53 pm
Trubisky was a mess after he injured his left shoulder. He was never accurate after he returned. It had to affect his throwing. Is he to blame? I think the blame should be on him this year if he begins

the season throwing the same way. With me its a wait and see situation.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 07, 2020, 01:54:51 pm
I believe with Trubisky his accuracy is very suspect. Even with time he has trouble hitting open recievers. Last season was hard to gauge entirely due to the offensive line playing very offensively. He's a true enigma though. He'll hit a guy for a huge gain with a accurate throw but then miss open guys or be WAY off on a throw. I do think it's time to move on from him, personally, but just knowing the crazy history of this team, he'll go somewhere else and blossom.....watch....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 07, 2020, 05:10:03 pm
1st 4 games Lions, Giants, Falcons, Colts.... all very winnable.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 07, 2020, 07:16:03 pm
Trubisky has success when the game is on the line in the last minute. I think some of his problem (besides the obvious), he thinks too much and can't through his reads. He's not going to carry a team. Most QB's don't, only a few. He's athletic and has the arm. But I would agree, if he can't show something this upcoming season then it's time for a change..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 07, 2020, 10:11:48 pm
Yesterday I watched some of the condensed games from last year.

Trubisky could hit pin point pass after pin point pass then under throw the receiver in the end zone for an int.

Maybe he needs a coach who doesn't hug it out with him.

Parcells, Walsh, Holmgren, Sean Payton to name a few didn't baby talk their QB's after big mistakes and they ended up with some great ones.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 07, 2020, 10:57:59 pm
I can defend Trubisky and I can just as easily blame him.

For example, DeShaun Watson has been sacked over 100 times the last 2 seasons.  But his average QB rating is 100 over those same 2 seasons.

On the other hand, Watson had 3 pretty good receives in Hopkins, Fuller and Stills.  And he had a running game.  A 1000 yard rusher and the 9th best running attack averaging 4.6 yards per carry.

Trubisky has to be given a fair chance to beat out Foles, if he can do that and win the starting job then he just has to win games.   No more excuses.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 07, 2020, 11:08:49 pm
Yesterday I watched some of the condensed games from last year.

Trubisky could hit pin point pass after pin point pass then under throw the receiver in the end zone for an int.

Maybe he needs a coach who doesn't hug it out with him.

Parcells, Walsh, Holmgren, Sean Payton to name a few didn't baby talk their QB's after big mistakes and they ended up with some great ones.


Yeah, maybe Nagy is too close to Trubisky.  Sometimes I think Trubisky is so fearful of making a mistake and disappointing Nagy that it slows down his decision making.

 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2020, 08:30:34 am
There is some validity to that. I think the thing thats been ignored is the affect that left shoulder played on Trubisky's accuracy after he came back. I thought I heard he had to wear some harness

under his jersey. If so that had to affect his throwing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 08, 2020, 10:29:33 am

It had to, to some extent.  But I know it cut down on him taking off downfield for extra yardage.

I just don't remember if he wasn't running from the get go or if it dropped after the shoulder injury.

I do remember him running a bit more in a few games later in the season.  Against Dallas was one.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 08, 2020, 12:30:12 pm
He wasn't running before the injury.  I think Nagy wanted him to stay in the pocket and go through his reads. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 08, 2020, 01:12:00 pm
Ironically Mahommes isn't all that great from the pocket either.

He has to improvise to be dominant.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 08, 2020, 07:07:23 pm
Saints released Larry Warford today.  He'd be a massive upgrade over whomever would win the open guard spot.  Get on the phone Pace.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 08, 2020, 07:11:06 pm
We probably have little cap space left  with only $5m after the draft (counting that reserved for draft picks)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2020, 09:41:56 pm
Saints released Larry Warford today.  He'd be a massive upgrade over whomever would win the open guard spot.  Get on the phone Pace.

I wanted him when he came out. Wonder why they released him. Much better than Ifedi.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 08, 2020, 10:09:39 pm

It sure sounds like he was cut for cap reasons.  He had the 2nd highest cap hit behind Brees.  But here is what a New ORleans writer says:

But despite receiving the honor again in 2019, his play sagged noticeably, especially near the end of the season. And his Saints' tenure appeared destined for an end when the team used its top pick on Ruiz in April.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 08, 2020, 10:26:04 pm
There is still some decent cap space to be had by cutting guys who won't be big contributors.  Shaheen and brauneker being cut would net 2.5 million iirc.  Pace could offer Warford 5 or 6 and still be under.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2020, 10:39:26 pm
And Warford coming from New Orleans might make Pace bite.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 09, 2020, 09:43:27 am
I found this too good not to post. It'll pique the interest of every Bears fan

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/07/matt-miller-says-chicago-bears-second-worst-team-in-nfl-2020/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

All I've got to say is if I were Castillo I'd be feeling a lot more pressure.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 10, 2020, 11:54:18 am
Saints released Larry Warford today.  He'd be a massive upgrade over whomever would win the open guard spot.  Get on the phone Pace.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/09/chicago-bears-have-expressed-interest-in-free-agent-guard-larry-warford/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Looks like Pace listened. Wow Impressive! Good job buddy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2020, 07:41:56 am
Not so fast:

The Saints have dropped guard Larry Warford onto the open market. The Bears have dropped their pursuit of him.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bears are not pursuing the three-time Pro Bowler.

It’s unclear whether the Bears were ever officially in on the chase for Warford. They reportedly were considering it. Regardless, they currently are not.

The Texans also have been linked to the 28-year-old Warford, a third-round pick of the Lions in 2013. Warford signed with the Saints in 2017. He started 44 of 48 regular-season games in New Orleans, with five playoff starts.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 08:00:42 am
Gotcha. Waiting for the price to come down? Or he wants mo money than they can afford? Uh likely.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 11, 2020, 08:54:44 am
Don't think he'll accept a 1 year prove it deal for veteran minimum.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 09:28:04 am
Ding, ding, ding.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 09:32:08 am
Read at your own discretion

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/10/chicago-bears-running-back-artavis-pierce-capable-backup-for-run-game/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Sounds too good to be true. Count me skeptical.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 11, 2020, 10:58:12 am
LOL, why would Warford accept a 1 year, prove it deal?

He's better than that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 11, 2020, 11:08:31 am

Of course he is.  Bears were probably only willing to pay for a 1 year deal.

I'm sure another team will offer him something bigger and more long term.  Saints kind of screwed him waiting so late to cut him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 02:30:30 pm
Yeah the Saints will regret it...they screwed the pooch.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 02:35:41 pm
Read and weep. I am skeptical of this too:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pro-football-focus-2020-season-153051651.html

7-9? I sure hope not. Might be a market for replacement of broken TV's
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 11, 2020, 03:10:36 pm
I think if you are predicting the Bears to further regress against a potentially weaker schedule, that would not spell a good situation for Nagy.  They did more to improve the defense than the offense, banking on the coaches on the offensive side to make a difference.  Graham is on the decline, but better than what we had last season.  Kmet better be the goods, and Castillo better coach his tail off.  but I don't see them getting worse.

One thing in our favor is the first month schedule.  If we can win the games we are supposed to win and steal one, confidence is everything in a much better season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 04:00:03 pm
but I don't see them getting worse.

Me either. Not unless we have a mass collapse of the OLine.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 11, 2020, 04:34:54 pm
but I don't see them getting worse.

Me either. Not unless we have a mass collapse of the OLine.

The o line wouldn't have to collapse, just play like it did last year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 11, 2020, 06:05:52 pm
All depends on the QB situation as well as the Oline. We got Foles but him looking out his earhole on the ground won't win many games.....not sure they improved enough on O to make some serious noise....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on May 11, 2020, 08:39:28 pm
The o line wouldn't have to collapse, just play like it did last year.

Last year, the o line collapsed.  if they play the same way this year, it is collapse redux.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 12, 2020, 03:07:54 pm
Warford is reportedly looking for 7 million.  I can see where that might be too much unless bears make some cuts.  I'm a little surprised that 7 million is keeping teams from signing him.  I expected Warford to sign faster, I hope pace keeps in touch in case there is a price drop.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2020, 06:32:43 pm
Me too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2020, 06:34:31 pm
my favorite UDFA this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXtQe2Ot5LM
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 12, 2020, 07:01:24 pm
Saw a couple of his college games and he is a good pick up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2020, 09:53:04 am
Well cases could  be made for others too:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/14/ranking-7-chicago-bears-under-the-most-pressure-in-2020/

They certainly got #1 and #2 right, and one left out was Juan Castillo. He has the dubious task of making the Oline productive. Other cases could be made also
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on May 18, 2020, 04:15:44 pm
Just something to keep the boredom away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPyB3IkoVI
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2020, 09:44:22 am
This is interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/18/chicago-bears-winners-losers-following-2020-offseason/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2020, 09:33:01 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/19/2020-chicago-bears-unofficial-post-draft-depth-chart/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 20, 2020, 10:14:46 am
https://theathletic.com/1821320/2020/05/19/how-arlington-hambright-went-from-being-an-unknown-to-a-bears-draft-pick/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 21, 2020, 05:02:47 pm
Pompei on Kyle Long, and the hell he went thru, and his drive to play thru the pain...he was a great Bear!


https://theathletic.com/1825706/2020/05/21/a-freakin-warrior-at-30-kyle-long-carries-the-scars-of-his-bears-career/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2020, 09:19:25 am
Here is the season in the nut shell:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/22/things-that-need-to-happen-for-chicago-bears-success-in-2020/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 23, 2020, 02:18:27 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/05/robert-quinn-is-a-predator-and-expert-says-bears-getting-him-is-unfair/?fbclid=IwAR1m-HbFRPCtU3HKOkA4Y9Ra8JNfjCj8vksUKwXh2Gkhd3GRYJeKU_KMV6A
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2020, 09:13:13 am
https://theathletic.com/1838507/2020/05/27/how-dieter-eiselens-football-journey-took-him-from-south-africa-to-the-bears/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 27, 2020, 03:09:48 pm
https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AH3zJ0YxW3_SXs5zeA0AILZFl5s?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADvuuwAzfCmCTgpghbyy9F-_JjIoYsPqFqMZLtA0mKDsYPpmnnhgHd686Am_gtRUjT8NOpmLh2NZuL3StUMsptttZzakwNrVkxLtB-QtLDyQPI7KU0_44bggPHpIqaWawuWYhsHAYBqXF4B3mr_mvmyuSexwxWSoLavgrDxaP8mM

ooops! Hold the phone. Hold everything. Shock City.

Wright believes the Bears will win 12 games and clinch the division in Week 17 with a win over the hated Packers. According to the graphic, Wright also has Chicago as the No. 1 seed in the NFC.

Call Ripleys
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 30, 2020, 11:09:40 am
For that to happen, Aaron Rodgers would need to get hurt and the Vikings be decimated with injuries. The Bears have much to prove before I would think they would take the division. But, I guess you never know. If the Bears falter, I look for Pace to be fired.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 04, 2020, 12:19:34 am
the tope never lies, Ifedi is #65 right tackle -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XadSBlgr4
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 04, 2020, 09:02:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ4u9-NKnBM&t=777s
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2020, 08:54:47 am
I see Foles fav target was #17. Hmmm
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2020, 09:22:23 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/04/chicago-bears-allen-robinson-has-been-working-with-mitchell-trubisky-four-times-a-week/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

At least somebody is working out with Mitch.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2020, 03:33:00 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/06/chicago-bears-were-most-excited-to-see-in-2020/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 07, 2020, 07:14:36 pm

All valid players to watch no doubt but what about Germain Ifedi.  Aside from QB the offensive line was the most maligned in 2019.  This is the only change that will most likely occur on the O-line.  Maybe Alex Bars also.

And I'm also interested in a couple of the 5th round rookies -    

Trevis Gipson can he be part of the rotation (Bears had Mack and Floyd play too many snaps).

Darnell Mooney can he also get some substantial snaps to add his speed to what was looking like a bunch of possession receivers types with Gabriel let go.  Ginn may impact Mooney's playing time.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 07, 2020, 11:47:25 pm
the tape never lies video on Ifedi was surprisingly positive.

You can't really count too much on 5th rounders to do much their rookie year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 08, 2020, 07:59:58 am
I agree with Dallas about Ifedi. He should be key to success this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 08, 2020, 02:55:47 pm
the tape never lies video on Ifedi was surprisingly positive.

You can't really count too much on 5th rounders to do much their rookie year.

I saw the tape and I saw a player that was inconsistent as a RT.  I think his skills translate much better inside, but you never know he might have to challenge Massie if he struggles.

As for the rookies, I don't count on any of them starting until I see what they can do.  And yes, 5th rounders have more warts than first or second rounders.  But these 2 and even Kindle Vildor (sounds like a character out of Star Wars) have some skills that might surprise.  I think Gipson may have the best shot at some rotational playing time but at this point we know nothing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 14, 2020, 10:44:21 pm

Did Trubisky's left shoulder injury hinder his play last year:  https://sportsmockery.com/2020/06/mitch-trubisky-shoulder-was-a-bigger-problem-than-bears-let-on/?fbclid=IwAR0jhgq_K4SK7xb5rIuBgeW1IRaySiktIFveRMmGcP2WWiVxeyjJ4EZS6JY
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 14, 2020, 11:03:12 pm
Of course it was!  I have no doubt it was part of the problem. 

The question is can he be a franchise QB when it is healthy and even if he can be, can he stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 15, 2020, 04:30:10 am
having a crappy offensive line didn't help.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 15, 2020, 09:28:59 am
having a crappy offensive line didn't help.

DeShaun Watson had a crappy 'pass' blocking line - Texans O-line gave up about the same number of sacks as the Bears.  But Watson still had a 98 pass rating.

Difference was that the crappy Texans O-line could run block - they had a 1000 yard rusher (4.4 y/c).   Texans also had 3 quality wide receivers including one of the best in the NFL in Deandre Hopkins.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 15, 2020, 11:01:51 am
Dallas - That second point is spot on.  Quality of targets, is much better.  Without Hopkins, it will be interesting to see how well Watson fares.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 17, 2020, 06:59:34 pm
You get past Robinson and the targets get slim..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 18, 2020, 03:02:20 am
the guy I liked in preseason at wr was that kid from Colgate Thomas Ives. Tall & fast. Was more impressed with him than guys we drafted like Ridley.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 20, 2020, 06:28:52 pm
Anyone see/listen to the recent lengthy interviews with the Bears offense coaching staff?

If so what were your impressions?  I haven't listened because there are several hours of interviews
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 20, 2020, 07:04:04 pm
I don't see what the point is.  They aren't practicing so how do the coaches know anything about their players?

All of the articles being written are just throwing **** against the wall because no one knows anything including if they are going to actually play the games.

The NFLPA just came out and told the players to stop working out together on their own.

I think the season is circling the drain.  I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 21, 2020, 12:06:08 am
I’m sure the coaches have carefully studied each players film and developed their strategy.

It’s not like they only work on what they see in mini camps.

As you say, it looks more of a long shot every day that there will be a 2020 season
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 21, 2020, 02:59:23 am
Right now, football is the furthest thing from my mind. Our nation is melting down before our eyes. We have a hugely critical election coming in November, we still have a virus out there, racial protests with rioting and destruction is hitting everywhere, our economy is in terrible shape with millions and millions unemployed and the ignorant Democrats want to get rid of our police! These are unprecented times and there's just no room to even begin to think about a game....I've spent a lot of my time praying.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 21, 2020, 03:24:29 pm
Right now, football is the furthest thing from my mind. Our nation is melting down before our eyes. We have a hugely critical election coming in November, we still have a virus out there, racial protests with rioting and destruction is hitting everywhere, our economy is in terrible shape with millions and millions unemployed and the ignorant Democrats want to get rid of our police! These are unprecented times and there's just no room to even begin to think about a game....I've spent a lot of my time praying.

Sportster

i can't disagree with anything you said.  But I think America needs sports now.  Assuming it can be brought back somewhat safely.   Everyone and especially the media is so hyper focused on all these events of the day.  We need a bit of a distraction now and then to keep our sanity.  Not minimizing any of what's happening today but we could use a break.  It's all just so depressing - it's like every day is a Monday after a loss to the Packers on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on June 21, 2020, 04:49:47 pm
Turn off the social media, the "news" and live a day without them.... for some folks its hard but life is so much better without all the negativity flying around (both real and perceived).

We think times are bad (and they have been better for sure) but its never as bad as the "media" wants to portray it. Remember "if it bleeds it leads."......

Life is good. Enjoy it. We'll all know the other side of life soon enough ! :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 22, 2020, 12:12:04 am
Turn off the social media, the "news" and live a day without them.... for some folks its hard but life is so much better without all the negativity flying around (both real and perceived).

We think times are bad (and they have been better for sure) but its never as bad as the "media" wants to portray it. Remember "if it bleeds it leads."......

Life is good. Enjoy it. We'll all know the other side of life soon enough ! :D

Bears4Ever

I'm taking your advice tonight - no  CNN and no Fox News. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 22, 2020, 11:14:41 am
I do agree sports is important and man, do we ever need distraction from this year. I do hope football is played and things settle down a lot between now and then but with this election I think it's actually going to get....worse....sadly.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 22, 2020, 11:43:39 am
I agree, I would not be surprised to see things get worse. People talk of a civil war, almost as if one has already started.. If and when the season starts, if there is kneeling, count me out.. I would be willing to bet that the kneeling will be just the beginning. They will look to politicize the NFL to fit the leftist agenda. I've done without sports for 4 months, and every day that goes by I learn to miss it less and less..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on June 22, 2020, 01:39:30 pm
I agree, I would not be surprised to see things get worse. People talk of a civil war, almost as if one has already started.. If and when the season starts, if there is kneeling, count me out.. I would be willing to bet that the kneeling will be just the beginning. They will look to politicize the NFL to fit the leftist agenda. I've done without sports for 4 months, and every day that goes by I learn to miss it less and less..

You might as well start making alternate plans...I'm betting there's more kneeling than not kneeling.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 22, 2020, 01:55:24 pm
You might as well start making alternate plans...I'm betting there's more kneeling than not kneeling.

If they would set aside a minute of silence for kneeling before or after the anthem I think they would get wide support.

Kneeling during the anthem will always be a problem.


Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on June 22, 2020, 01:57:59 pm
If they would set aside a minute of silence for kneeling before or after the anthem I think they would get wide support.

Kneeling during the anthem will always be a problem.

I agree 100%
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 22, 2020, 07:02:52 pm
almost as if one has already started.

In a way, it really has already started.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 22, 2020, 07:10:49 pm
You might as well start making alternate plans...I'm betting there's more kneeling than not kneeling.

I agree..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 24, 2020, 09:19:06 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/22/6-chicago-bears-that-should-take-a-major-step-forward-in-2020/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Yup, good call
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 24, 2020, 02:43:41 pm

Damn, lots of big names out there, especially guards.

I'm thinking we need to sign a backup OLB.  Not to confident that Mingo (look at his recent numbers) and the 5th rounder Gipson are viable backups for Mack and Quinn.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on June 24, 2020, 03:20:04 pm
The personnel upfront right now for the Bear don't inspire confidence for a playoff run IMO. The Bear needs to get some more horses up front.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 24, 2020, 04:48:24 pm

You mean O-line?

I think we'll be OK at guard with Ifeddi.  Leno has to return to 2018 form when he made the pro bowl.  Massie is OK - you'd like  get more out of him as a run blocker.  He's here this year due to his contract but probably not next year for the same reason.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 25, 2020, 06:29:38 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/06/chicago-bears-coach-insists-not-to-overlook-forgotten-draft-pick/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 25, 2020, 06:53:06 pm
I hope board members dont sleep on this kid. I hope he makes the roster. We need to develop kids like this.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/6/23/21300582/2020-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-seventh-round-lachavious-simmons-offensive-lineman-tennessee-state

I see the fluff has begun.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 26, 2020, 01:08:13 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/06/chicago-bears-coach-insists-not-to-overlook-forgotten-draft-pick/

Just the other day I read a quote which I think came from Deshea Townsend talking about the depth at CB behind Fuller, the rookie Johnson, Tolliver, Artie Burns and the Canadien Roberson.  No mention of Denmark.  So I'm thinking maybe there are moving him to safety.  Now this. 

I've often brought up the freakish ability of Denmark before - hopefully he makes the team as a corner, safety, or at least a special teamer.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 28, 2020, 02:17:30 pm
The 2020 training camp hasnt even begun, yet read this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/25/chicago-bears-select-georgia-quarterback-jamie-newman-in-new-2021-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos3headline

Crazy!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 29, 2020, 09:22:21 pm
This doesnt sound very promising for the season

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/6/29/21307182/bears-offer-refunds-on-2020-season-tickets-because-of-coronavirus-concerns
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on June 29, 2020, 11:32:03 pm
Im all for not playing. The world won’t change
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on June 30, 2020, 06:48:04 am
Life goes on... unfortunately it has been come politically charged to keep even something that we use to get away from it all from being politically charged....

I'm hopeful the season goes on, but even if it does, there will be pressure to close it again when folks start getting sick again (and they will- as they always have) and the "bubble wrap" folk will take control once again.....

Live life as fearlessly as you feel you need to. I refuse to live in fear (and if I die so be it). But I also know many others will not feel the same way and can respect that as well....

I also wonder if the season (as long as it goes on) will feel like a bunch of pre-season games (not much practice going on). That could be amusing but also frustrating as well.

The best bet is to make alternate (and changeable) plans for Sundays this fall unfortunately....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 30, 2020, 09:13:33 am
ROBOT FOOTBALL PLEASE
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 30, 2020, 10:47:47 am
LOL
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on July 02, 2020, 06:43:56 pm
So, word is the NFL is going to play the "black national anthem" at each game of the start of the season. The what?? So now they have their own anthem?? Never heard of 'juneteenth' which they now want to make a holiday in place of Columbus day and now this. Let me get this straight....they want equality but now they have their OWN anthem and their own holiday? What's next?? This isn't equality. Equality is ONE anthem for ONE people. This is segregation, more division. I'm not watching the NFL this season if they're going full on political. Forget it. Either we ARE one, this nation, or we're divided, seperate.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 02, 2020, 08:48:16 pm
I just hope that one guy has the balls to kneel during it!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 02, 2020, 10:58:23 pm

Playing the "Black National Anthem" does nothing...changes nothing.  Just as effective as someone spray painting BLM on a wall or statue. 

Instead the NFL should be working with programs to help blacks truly in need.  And they may already be doing this.

But playing this anthem is just a publicity stunt to appease the black NFL players and fans.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 02, 2020, 11:46:58 pm
Most games don’t televise the anthem so it will be interesting to see if they change.  According to espn it’s week one only.

I’ve watched parts of 3 Seahawks games from last year and focused on Ifedi.
He has nimble feet and stays in front of his man in pass protect but looks soft as a marshmallow run blocking.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 03, 2020, 02:06:09 am
Most games don’t televise the anthem so it will be interesting to see if they change.  According to espn it’s week one only.

I’ve watched parts of 3 Seahawks games from last year and focused on Ifedi.
He has nimble feet and stays in front of his man in pass protect but looks soft as a marshmallow run blocking.

True.  And if there are no fans in the stands for the first game or first few games then who hears the additional anthem if the TV viewers don't?

As for Ifedi,  I have read that his problems were pass blocking and penalties.  The opposite of what you are saying.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 04, 2020, 07:33:59 am
  To get off topic a bit,if the Washington Redskin's organization feels obligated to changing their name I suggest The Washington Warriors.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 04, 2020, 07:57:35 am
Washington Communists
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 04, 2020, 08:04:21 am
I give Snyder credit for standing his ground. I'm sure he'll give in at some point. Why should the Cleveland Indians have to change their  name. Isn't that name supposed to represent strong, tenacious? What the heck is wrong with that...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 04, 2020, 09:19:28 am
The Washington "I Don't Give Two Shits" for me :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 04, 2020, 04:26:32 pm
  To get off topic a bit,if the Washington Redskin's organization feels obligated to changing their name I suggest The Washington Warriors.

And what would that logo and mascot look like? 

And in Dallas, since cowboys are known for their battles with American Indians, plus the name does not include females.  A new name being considered  is the Dallas Cowpies.  Why not, everthing else is going to shiit.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 04, 2020, 06:48:02 pm
 Believe me,I'm with you guys. I can't stand political correctness.It seems like most NFL execs are caving.I gave up baseball and basketball. Probably next is football.At least Warriors can't be identified by a race. They could still keep the emblems on their helmets.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 05, 2020, 09:45:05 am
I have always said they can keep the name the Redskins.  Why change it?  Just add potato to the end of it.  Change the Logo and go back to the old R logo.

(https://www.logolynx.com/images/logolynx/s_16/1613a848d1b475ba6ea547996f184580.jpeg)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 05, 2020, 10:36:13 am
That is a strangely common-sense approach to  something that is complete nonsense. If that makes any sense :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 05, 2020, 11:29:14 am
It's only the extreme left that wants things like this.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 05, 2020, 11:30:23 am
Pretty soon the Bears will have to change their name to the "paperclips".. You know, so we don't offend animals..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 05, 2020, 11:43:20 am
I see Rivera is pushing for a name change. If the name bothered him so much why did he take the job..

I think I like "The Jellyfish".. Since they're a bunch of spineless fukks..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 05, 2020, 12:00:05 pm
  The Washington Swamp! The logo could look like a steaming pile of turds.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 05, 2020, 01:40:49 pm
Do the Raiders and Vikings make Scandinavians look bad?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 05, 2020, 09:48:31 pm
.At least Warriors can't be identified by a race. They could still keep the emblems on their helmets.


I assume that you are too young to know that the he Marquette Golden Eagles, were formerly known as the Marquette Warriors, before political correctness took over.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2020, 06:46:10 am
excellent point
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on July 06, 2020, 03:07:43 pm
And Marquette suffered what from the name change?


I suppose you conservative knuckle draggers want is to change the of reagan international airport to Dulles again...


Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 06, 2020, 03:33:03 pm
So what is Green Bay going to change their team's name to ? Your an owner, and i'm sure you're horrified that the football team glorifies the butchers (literally) that visit unspeakable cruelties on dumb,
innocent mammals. Hamburger anyone?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 06, 2020, 06:23:09 pm
And Marquette suffered what from the name change?


I suppose you conservative knuckle draggers want is to change the of reagan international airport to Dulles again...




Not all stupid things cause suffering.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2020, 06:43:25 pm
How many strong basketball seasons has Marquette had since the name change? zero that I can remember

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on July 06, 2020, 09:25:35 pm
Well, if there is no suffering just change the fukking name.


I sure you will root for the Washington White Snyder's.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 07, 2020, 08:44:41 am

otto

Did you forget to take your medicine?  This is 2020 Chicago Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 07, 2020, 04:06:18 pm
Quote
I suppose you conservative knuckle draggers want is to change the of reagan international airport to Dulles again...

WTF?  Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport was never named Dulles.  It is not an international airport.  On February 6, 1998 it was the Washington National Airport then Bill Clinton changed the name to honor Reagan's 87th Birthday from Washington National Airport to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

Dulles has always been Dulles International Airport and still is today.  The official name is Washington Dulles International Airport.  Opened in 1962, it is named after John Foster Dulles (1888–1959), the 52nd U.S. Secretary of State.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 07, 2020, 05:24:32 pm
OOPsie Oddo.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 07, 2020, 08:45:39 pm
So when did accuracies become important
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on July 07, 2020, 08:48:49 pm
Yeah, George Washington seems a better choice to replace with reagan.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 07, 2020, 08:49:01 pm
Not anymore with the new breeds of politicians
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 08, 2020, 04:38:14 am
Wrong forum boys, go back to the politics section...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 08, 2020, 04:25:57 pm
Well, if there is no suffering just change the fukking name.


I sure you will root for the Washington White Snyder's.

I think you are right.  Since there is no suffering, why not change the name to the Washington White Snyders?

By the way, what is a White Snyder?  Your poste are getting more arcane than even usual.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 09, 2020, 10:16:58 am
Bunkering in  a basement Biden-Like with little or no mind left will do that to ya :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 09, 2020, 10:22:59 am
Otto - Snyder is Jewish, not white. If he was going to change the name that way it would be something like the Washington fighin' Zionists, with the Logo being a tank with a star of david on it running down an arab.
You really have become infantile.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 09, 2020, 11:05:03 am

OKdeDokie - So who wins the QB job Trubisky or ...uh...that guy from Philly thru Jacksonville?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 09, 2020, 12:46:04 pm
Foles

Any talk of a competition is just that...talk...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 09, 2020, 01:02:28 pm
Man-crush?

https://www.chicagobears.com/news/nagy-helped-foles-rediscover-love-for-game

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 09, 2020, 01:32:11 pm
I say Trubisky will have the first 4 games because he is still our project with the most potential.  We know what Foles is and it may be greater than Trubisky.  I still don't think that Trubisky has an adequate line, play makers or decent play calling to say the verdict is in.

The first 4 games, and Trubisky needs to be at least 2-2 to keep the role.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 09, 2020, 02:26:33 pm
My thought is Trubisky has all the physical skills and athleticism in the world, but he just doesnt have that super fast computer brain upstairs.  His recognition and changing things on the fly just doesnt seem to be there.  That plus our horrid OL didnt do him any favors by having him be in fear of his life.  I hope I am wrong, and the light comes on and stays on. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on July 09, 2020, 02:41:58 pm
If you want the bears to be a serious contender, you have to hope the light comes on for Trubisky and he takes the step up the bears need.  Foles is good when he's hot, but usually he's just below average. 

I read a blurb last week that the during Mitch's shoulder rehab, they found the same muscle balance/development issue that drew Brees had fixed before he joined the saints.  Supposedly, it hindered accuracy.  Maybe we get lucky and this straightens him out.

https://ontapsportsnet.com/2020/07/02/injury-report-mitchell-trubisky-is-at-full-strength/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 09, 2020, 04:15:48 pm
OKdeDokie - So who wins the QB job Trubisky or ...uh...that guy from Philly thru Jacksonville?

Does it make any difference?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 09, 2020, 04:25:06 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mau4ffsveZk
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 10, 2020, 04:48:11 am
I don't believe the bears went after Foles just to let him sit on the bench. I still believe that there are a multitude of reasons that Mitch struggled this past season..

One being Nagy...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 10, 2020, 07:21:39 am
I buy that, but Foles has some baggage too. If he cant return to his Philly days he is not going to lift up the Bear offense any better than Trubisky. And as for Trubisky's problems, I think they centered mainly on that shoulder injury. My point of view is this for those people who believe Foles is going to lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. If Foles cant shed those Jacksonville warts he isnt a greater asset than Trubisky. Personally, how the Bears possibly getting to the Super Bowl is on the backs of the Defense. There, they have the horses much like 85.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 10, 2020, 09:34:37 am
https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ACusXnUa1q9MXwh0mgCcQPf9ebI?.src=fp&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABwBohj4CcVehKABDlXRPys-efEAONgZizCOaLooQqkKF5B48kt0cA9ibNmlZ327RInw_vOivjexLrbk1YSX8avUvILOvK5vDFNJRHgV4MCQ3czhnDI7cUyD17EEBCHpvh4ChfiCOZW6j4d3Hu9U13QzD7N7cAdBGyokvrIderfl

COULD the Bears have interest? Possibly. Would the Bears give Mostert the contract he wants coming off the trade. That I think wouldnt happen, nor should it happen. First of all I dont think they have the cap room to give out pricey contracts. Second of all what has Mostert done as a Bear? Nada. Not a darn thing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 10, 2020, 04:22:56 pm
Your link is messed up - here's one from NBC:  https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/would-trading-raheem-mostert-make-sense-bears

Mostert had an incredible year last year, but 28 year old running backs rarely get big deals even though he's probably got a couple good years in him.  Article says he could be had for a day 3 pick.

Did you know he bounced around the league and ended up with the Bears before signing with the 49ers later that year?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 10, 2020, 04:38:53 pm
Dallas, sorry for the problem with the Bears Wire link, but thats all they had

However your link is even more damning than mine. At 28 he wants mucho dollars?

No way Jose.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on July 10, 2020, 06:52:09 pm
I'd pass on mostert.  There are still decent FA's on the street.  The bears do need another quality rb before they go to camp.  Cohen can't be the starter if Montgomery gets hurt.  And Montgomery hasn't done enough to make me confident.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on July 15, 2020, 08:11:21 am
New Coaches Could Help Bears Solve Pettine Riddle (https://dabearsblog.com/2020/atm-new-coaches-could-help-bears-solve-pettine-riddle#more-26108)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 15, 2020, 09:28:59 am
Well I certainly hope so. Good find. Beat the Pack and you win the division.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 15, 2020, 12:50:16 pm

Pettine riddle?  It's not complicated.  Packers put up a 4 man D-line with ONE f'ing linebacker and 6 DBs and the Bears couldn't make them pay by running the ball.

Packers do not fear our running game and do not fear our receivers.

What is going to change in 2020?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 15, 2020, 02:18:48 pm
Packers put up a 4 man D-line with ONE f'ing linebacker and 6 DBs and the Bears couldn't make them pay by running the ball.

I remember that. Again if they can beat the Pack twice they win the division. No wonder they made the coaching changes they did. Gotta beat the Pack....Duh!

Bet they work on that all training camp.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 15, 2020, 02:45:53 pm

They might be able to win the division with a split, but there are 14 (we hope) other games.

Bears just need a middle tier running game to go along with their expected bottom tier passing game.  Top 5 defense ain't gonna cut it alone.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 15, 2020, 02:58:49 pm
Not so sure of that General. Quinn raises the bar significantly plus a seasoned safety with Jackson. That scary good, Super Bowl good.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 15, 2020, 04:09:45 pm

Not so sure of that General. Quinn raises the bar significantly plus a seasoned safety with Jackson. That scary good, Super Bowl good.

You've been drinking quite a bit of Kool Aid this summer?  I don't care how good the defense is this next season you aren't going to beat many teams going 3 and out all day.  Coupling bad field position and the TOP tilting the other way the defense starts giving way.

Ever heard this Lombardi quote "Fatigue makes cowards of us all."
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 15, 2020, 04:34:55 pm
You've been drinking quite a bit of Kool Aid this summer?

Haha. Havent had any of that in years.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 16, 2020, 09:35:00 am

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is an expression used to refer to a person who believes in a possibly doomed or dangerous idea because of perceived potential high rewards. The phrase often carries a negative connotation.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 16, 2020, 10:21:32 am
Think Jim Jones and Guyana...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 16, 2020, 11:20:26 am
"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is an expression used to refer to a person who believes in a possibly doomed or dangerous idea because of perceived potential high rewards. The phrase often carries a negative connotation.

Duh. I am not a moron like Oddo. I know what that means. You need to watch that crap you drink too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on July 16, 2020, 11:42:47 am
But whose to say the sheeple at Guyana did not go to a higher reward?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 16, 2020, 06:33:15 pm
If nothing else, they avoided the Covid epidemic.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 16, 2020, 07:05:48 pm
Good to see we have a bit of humor left around here..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 17, 2020, 05:45:28 am
not with our head coach -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgN3ndjSRRU
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2020, 07:59:05 am
I said the same thing about Andy Reid. But I was wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 22, 2020, 02:02:27 pm
With no pre season games and no padded practices for the first month the QB battle will be hard to judge.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 22, 2020, 04:54:31 pm
I think  its still  even odds that they will cancel the season as the media continues to stoke panic (its what they live for...)
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Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 22, 2020, 07:12:35 pm
I agree, I don't believe the season is a done deal,,

No fear though, we have the NBA... Fukk the NBA..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 23, 2020, 10:31:20 am
Ugh. The Peoples Republic of Chine NBA.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 23, 2020, 10:39:14 am
agreed
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 23, 2020, 12:09:13 pm
Problem #1

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/21/the-bears-need-to-cut-10-players-ahead-of-training-camp-on-tuesday/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 23, 2020, 09:25:03 pm
https://heavy.com/sports/2020/07/chicago-bears-2021-nfl-draft-quarterbacks/?fbclid=IwAR1ZgK2ZJ7hB2B_lijgqMSestXhrH4lABiry2_6mm55_-fp4yxC3i7uHQwc
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2020, 10:09:06 am
Yeah, count me in on the Trevor Laurence bandwagon.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on July 24, 2020, 01:55:45 pm
I like Fields more than Lawrence.  Unless there is a total collapse, the bears will not have a chance at either one.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 24, 2020, 02:18:53 pm
Lawrence will be the first guy drafted.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on July 25, 2020, 08:39:22 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/25/several-teams-in-rough-cap-shape-in-2021/

According to OverTheCap.com, eight teams are already over a 2021 cap of $175 million with the players they have signed through next year, before they sign a single free agent next year or draft any rookies. That group includes the Eagles, Saints, Falcons, Chiefs, Steelers, Bears, Raiders and Vikings.

Those teams will have to cut players and restructure contracts just to get under the cap before the start of the league year. Teams cut players and restructure contracts every year, but next year it will prove to be particularly difficult for teams that had a lot of players under long-term contracts that were negotiated before anyone dreamed that a pandemic would cause the cap to plummet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2020, 10:26:13 am
Well Bears Wire is getting in on the cuts coming

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/24/9-chicago-bears-players-that-are-unlikely-to-survive-pre-training-camp-cuts/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2020, 10:42:04 am
I see that Bears wire is pointing to fringe players to get the axe. I think there might be some surprises.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 25, 2020, 11:15:11 am
Rashaard Cowart would be my first cut. I liked what I saw from that Thomas Ives guy last preseason.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 25, 2020, 11:17:57 am
So, they are talking reduction in salary cap. Love it.. I hope they cut it in half.. Put these overpaid slobs back in their place. Maybe then they can find another platform to kneel at.. I'm sick of these fukks turning sports into a political statement..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 25, 2020, 04:43:01 pm
What should be a source to get away from the daily humdrum is becoming part of the humdrum. NFL has jumped the shark, unfortunately. Love the sport, hate the owners/players/reporters for sure for screwing up something that was an  escape from the everyday. It still boggles the mind that a pinhead like Goodell keeps his job cooking the golden goose......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on July 25, 2020, 06:15:56 pm
Shaheen to the dolphins for a conditional 6th.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 25, 2020, 06:31:42 pm
Actually got a pick in return
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2020, 07:21:14 pm
Really? I bet he has to make the roster all season as a condition. I doubt he can do that. But if they shed his contract its a blessing
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 26, 2020, 05:43:09 am
If they got a can of beer nuts and a six pack they'd come out ahead in the Shaheen deal.

But the Bears will probably receive nothing if its conditional on his making the starting roster (or even the 53 man). They'll just release his butt and bring him back later unless there is language in the contract that if he EVER is on the Miami roster they pay the price. Good faith negotiations in the NFL are dead.....

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 26, 2020, 11:31:39 am
To be honest. It's hard to find any positives when we send a second round draft choice to team for a conditional 6th. Another, in a long line of busted picks by Pace.. Is Pagano going to be able to to turn the D back into the squad they were two years ago?

And I guess this next draft will once again feature a QB pick..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on July 26, 2020, 02:12:08 pm
Don’t forget the first qb that guy signed- the neck. I think we only
Got Mack b/c of Fangio. Not sold at all on that guy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 26, 2020, 02:45:51 pm
Every team has bad draft picks and free agents that don't work out. 

To me the biggest Pace has hanging over his head is Glennon and Trubisky over Watson.

I'll judge Pace on how the offensive line performs this season.  It was the weakness of the team and he had draft picks and some FA money to replace players if that's what's needed.  He basically took flyers on failed players and didn't use the draft.  If coaching doesn't change things it's a big failure in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 26, 2020, 06:05:34 pm
over Watson? how about over Mahomes? Pace is a clown, everyone in the league knows it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 26, 2020, 07:26:47 pm
No one had Mahomes ahead of Trubisky.

That’s a non-starter.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 26, 2020, 07:41:54 pm
Any team could have traded up for Mahommes and only 1 did, enough said on that one.

Watson had the pedigree
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 27, 2020, 02:47:45 am
No one had Mahomes ahead of Trubisky.

That’s a non-starter.

the fact that in Trubisky only started 1 year at North Carolina was always a big red flag. I was shocked when the Bears picked him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 27, 2020, 04:52:17 am
the fact that in Trubisky only started 1 year at North Carolina was always a big red flag. I was shocked when the Bears picked him.

At the time of the draft, Trubisky was consistently being mentioned as the number 1 overall pick ahead of Miles Garrett.  While I agree that the one year starting was a red flag, NFL talent evaluators were all in.  To this point, they were wrong. Keeping hope alive that he is a late bloomer.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2020, 07:24:27 am
the fact that in Trubisky only started 1 year at North Carolina was always a big red flag. I was shocked when the Bears picked him.

So was I.  But it was always a Bear philosophy that a QB didnt have to be great, just a manager of the game. Its why we went through so many QBs trying to find a decent one
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 27, 2020, 07:45:57 am
I wanted Jamal Adams....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on July 27, 2020, 09:07:50 am
I wanted Jamal Adams....

I wanted a trade down for Adams or Watson. Spend extra pics on OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2020, 11:58:17 am
https://heavy.com/sports/2020/07/chicago-bears-roster-cuts-2020/?fbclid=IwAR06Zdl8t-cU9QpUYMoeaU1N2gbpdPMVFIARVZA53pumPpyLZc2cjI1Vv24
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 27, 2020, 03:26:10 pm
Watson with a stud OL.. We for sure would be having a different conversation..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 27, 2020, 03:29:51 pm
If we had been smart, and taken Laremy Tunsil when he fell to us instead of Leonard Floyd...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 07:33:03 pm
For the record...

http://bbf.createaforum.com/archives/draft-night/15/

That was draft night and most people wanted Jamal Adams.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 07:35:53 pm
 Mayock said no QB in this draft was first round material. Wait until next year.


 We started a panic that the rest of the League bought into.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 07:39:37 pm
Teams tried to trade up for Mitchell Trubisky, but not as high as No. 2
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 2, 2017, 5:44 PM EDT
 
AP
The Bears weren’t the only team that wanted to trade up to draft quarterback Mitchell Trubisky. Chicago was just the only team that traded all the way up to No. 2.

Titans General Manager Jon Robinson said on SiriusXM NFL Radio that Tennessee was fielding calls at No. 5 from teams that wanted to trade up. But when the Bears moved up from No. 3 to No. 2 and took Trubisky, everyone stopped calling the Titans.

“We had some calls about pick No. 5,” Robinson said. “When the trade happened between San Francisco and Chicago, it kinda threw water on anything in that spot.”
Those comments suggest that Trubisky was higher than Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson on draft boards around the league, and that the Bears were far from alone in coveting Trubisky. That doesn’t mean the Bears made the right decision giving up three other picks to move up from No. 3 to No. 2, but it does show they acquired the consensus top quarterback in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 27, 2020, 11:02:26 pm

Talking about the Trubisky draft?  I'm going back on vacation.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2020, 11:18:59 pm
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I voted Thomas but go on record wanting Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 28, 2020, 12:15:56 am

Guess I wasn't OK with Mike Glennon as the Bears' QB.  Trubisky was the highest rated QB by most accounts.

In his 2nd year he made the pro bowl and the Bears made he playoffs.  Last year he struggled, some blame his shoulder, his run game, his offensive line, lack of a legit TE, and lack of consistent WR outside of Alan Robinson.

Trubisky has to improve his pocket presence, his decision making and accuracy on deep balls. 

This season, if there is one, Trubisky has some competition.  We'll see if he has has the opportunity to make improvements in  his game.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 28, 2020, 04:27:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugxr1zq7tvbfMXA8Gjd4AaABCQ

Artavis Pierce put on covid-19 reserve list.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 28, 2020, 04:28:50 am
I know I was onboard with Adams.  He appeared to be the most sure fire starter, and I always get nervous about drafting a QB given our history... that keeps repeating itself.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2020, 08:31:00 am
Oh dang...you think bro actually got it? Or they tryin save roster spots?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/7/27/21341027/bears-artavis-pierce-running-back-covid-19-reserve-list-nfl-coronavirus-training-camp-2020-test

I was hoping Pierce stuck. We need a speed back like him. OTOH I think putting him on a Covid list protects that possibility. Hopefully if he has the virus he recovers fast and they cut somebody else to free up a spot for him. If putting him on a Covid list and he doesnt have it I have no problem with that. Thats Garfield's rule.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2020, 09:27:18 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/26/projecting-the-four-chicago-bears-tight-ends-on-53-man-roster/

I get this but I am not enamored with it. I dont like Graham, Kmet is a questionmark rookie, Harris is a Bear unknown.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 28, 2020, 09:37:43 am
In the tight end scenario, I would think that Horsted makes it over Holtz.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on July 28, 2020, 09:54:42 am
Eddie Goldman opting out this year.  That is going to hurt.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 28, 2020, 09:54:53 am
Holtz is the only guy on the roster who can play fullback.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2020, 11:08:26 am
In the tight end scenario, I would think that Horsted makes it over Holtz.

Thats my opinion too
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2020, 11:10:25 am
Holtz is the only guy on the roster who can play fullback.

BFD not impressed enough
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 28, 2020, 04:58:58 pm
BFD? English please.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2020, 07:28:48 pm
Big F'n Deal. And you werent smart enough to figure out that? What cereal do you eat for breakfast, Fruit Loops?

Fulbacks went out of use with the Edsel.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 28, 2020, 09:47:52 pm
"BFD not impressed enough."

The sentence is grammatically incorrect.

Last year the Bears only ran the ball consistently well from the I formation with a fullback.

I suppose you agree with Nagy's stubborn square pegs in round holes approach to coaching.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2020, 10:24:54 pm
Haha. And you eat Fruit Loops and drive an Edsel
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 29, 2020, 12:36:24 am
I don't get this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksruCQaM1W0
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 29, 2020, 01:31:30 am

1a)  "The Bears on Tuesday waived cornerback Tre Roberson with a non-football injury designation, a designation used for players who are unable to practice due to an injury that did not occur in an NFL game or practice."

1b)   Yes, Roberson got a ton of $ coming in from CFL, but Bears have some depth with Tolliver and Johnson, plus Artie Burns and the other rookie Vildor.  And my personal dark horse to make the team is Stephen Denmark.  They still think he can play corner even though he has safety size.   As for Roberson who knows what he came to camp with - bum knee?  bad shoulder?  probably not Covid.

2)  I'd have to give the edge for the #4 TE to Holtz only because Graham is a so-so blocker, Kmet probably isn't a good blocker yet, and only Demetrius Harris is considered an accomplished blocker.   Horsted is a converted WR out of Princeton but could develop into a Trey Burton type of player, but right now Holtz offers more options in a double TE formation or as a FB.  Now if Kmet shows he can block that might open up a spot for Hortsted.  Horsted probably makes PS - I doubt Bears keep 5 TEs this early but they did at times last year.

3)  Eddie Goldman - say it ain't so.

4)   If Pierce is asymptomatic he  could still stay in shape but he's definitely behind Nall now.  But if he makes the PS he can always be brought in later on in the season.

5)   Bill Sharp -- I don't know what pissed me off more today Jayapal and her leftists showboating at the expense of the AG or the media squelching another good report on hydroxychloriquin.  OK - back to Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 29, 2020, 01:39:33 am
Does Goldman’s salary go back to the system so they can apply it elsewhere?

They can sign another DT to replace him along with Jenkins and maybe a FA RB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 29, 2020, 05:35:13 pm

CB Roberson broke his foot in an off season workout.

He was waived with an injury designation - I just don't know that the Bears would have any rights to him in October or November after his foot healed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2020, 06:59:21 pm
Looks like here is your Goldman replacement

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/07/damon-snacks-harrison-bears-eddie-goldman/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 29, 2020, 07:16:08 pm
'
Hey Wshful make up your mind.

First of all Bilal and Ray-Robertson are not NTs.  If the Bears can find a legit NT not a 3-4 DE then that would be OK.

But what about abandoning the 3-4 altogether?  They run a 4-3 the majority of the time anyway.  Ray-Robertston, Hicks and Nicols play DT.  Mack is one end and Quinn who is more of a 4-3 guy is your other DE.

It beats putting in some fat a$$ NT that isn't worth a crap in there.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2020, 07:28:21 pm
I was just posting what Heavy on Bears thought. The point is we need a Goldman replacement. well Heavy posted they get cap back and they need  other roster improvements.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 29, 2020, 09:55:38 pm
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Hey Wshful make up your mind.

First of all Bilal and Ray-Robertson are not NTs.  If the Bears can find a legit NT not a 3-4 DE then that would be OK.

But what about abandoning the 3-4 altogether?  They run a 4-3 the majority of the time anyway.  Ray-Robertston, Hicks and Nicols play DT.  Mack is one end and Quinn who is more of a 4-3 guy is your other DE.

It beats putting in some fat a$$ NT that isn't worth a crap in there.

Bears coaches aren't flexible enough to use such a common sense approach, they are hand-cuffed to systems. "I didn't come here to run the I formation" becomes "I didn't come here to run a 4-3."
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2020, 11:16:22 am
Here is what Bears Wire has to say:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/29/4-bears-players-that-need-to-step-up-in-eddie-goldmans-absence/

They bring up Jenkins. I liked him before
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 30, 2020, 11:27:06 am
Here is what Bears Wire has to say:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/29/4-bears-players-that-need-to-step-up-in-eddie-goldmans-absence/

They bring up Jenkins. I liked him before

Kinda stupid article. Jenkins is the only nose tackle mentioned.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 30, 2020, 04:59:33 pm
Every thing Bears Wire posts is stupid...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 30, 2020, 06:21:56 pm

And now Jenkins has the virus...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on July 30, 2020, 06:51:48 pm
A 4-3 might be our best option...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 30, 2020, 06:54:14 pm
And now Jenkins has the virus...

Not necessarily.  If a player was even in proximity to someone who tested positive they are put on the list.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 30, 2020, 07:32:17 pm

So if the entire Bears defense was in close proximity to Jenkins who may have been in close proximity to a guy who tested positive then the whole D needs to be quarantined.

I guess that Jenkins is out what 10 to 14 days even though he may be testing negative each and every day while on the list.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2020, 05:02:19 am
And now Jenkins has the virus...

At the most 14 days, and then back on the field.  Pretend he is holding out.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2020, 05:12:48 am
So much misinformation about C19.  We have associates calling out because they were near someone who tested positive that had no symptoms.  Our healthcare system practices that you must be within 6 feet for 15 minutes, without a mask.  I imagine right now it is all meetings, so seating at least 6 feet apart.  Meet outside, etc.  I have been to work everyyday since March, in several hospitals.  Protect yourself, be smart, and you have nothing to fear.  And IF you do catch it, 1% death rate for all ages and all previous medical conditions. 

Can you imagine if we got this worked up every year for the flu?  I know it appears to be more contagious than the flu, but smart precautions can help everyone stay safe.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on July 31, 2020, 06:52:55 am
Why in the world would it be wrong for Devin Nunes to be in contact with an Ukrainian politician?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 31, 2020, 11:26:57 am
So much misinformation about C19.  We have associates calling out because they were near someone who tested positive that had no symptoms.  Our healthcare system practices that you must be within 6 feet for 15 minutes, without a mask.  I imagine right now it is all meetings, so seating at least 6 feet apart.  Meet outside, etc.  I have been to work everyyday since March, in several hospitals.  Protect yourself, be smart, and you have nothing to fear.  And IF you do catch it, 1% death rate for all ages and all previous medical conditions. 

Can you imagine if we got this worked up every year for the flu?  I know it appears to be more contagious than the flu, but smart precautions can help everyone stay safe.

A voice of sanity? Say it ain't so..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 31, 2020, 12:09:58 pm

A death rate of 1% is not exactly reassuring.  Think of it this way.  If Soldier Field was full (65,000 fans) and all had Covid - that means 650 would die.

I don't believe the 1% number that is often being presented.  To actually calculate an actual death rate you need two numbers:  covid deaths and covid infections.

The covid deaths is somewhat known, although many would say it's inflated.  But no one knows how many folks are infected or have been infected with Covid 19.  Way way too many asympotomatic infections that were never discovered - never tested.

Bottom line...wear the mask in public, avoid crowds, yada yada yada

I know many of you like me are not exactly spring chickens...and you don't want to play russian routlette with a covid infection no matter what the death rate infection is.

Back to football - Go Bears - Beat the Pack - Trubisky or Foles
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 01, 2020, 05:08:12 am
A death rate of 1% is not exactly reassuring.  Think of it this way.  If Soldier Field was full (65,000 fans) and all had Covid - that means 650 would die.

I don't believe the 1% number that is often being presented.  To actually calculate an actual death rate you need two numbers:  covid deaths and covid infections.

The covid deaths is somewhat known, although many would say it's inflated.  But no one knows how many folks are infected or have been infected with Covid 19.  Way way too many asympotomatic infections that were never discovered - never tested.

Bottom line...wear the mask in public, avoid crowds, yada yada yada

I know many of you like me are not exactly spring chickens...and you don't want to play russian routlette with a covid infection no matter what the death rate infection is.

Back to football - Go Bears - Beat the Pack - Trubisky or Foles

One more.  1% is for everyone.  The percents are super miniscule for everyone under 60.  I get it.  Don't go to the stadium if you are over 60 and have underlying medical conditions (diabetes, hypertension, COPD, etc)

I think Trubisky beats out Foles and is the game 1 starteer.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 02, 2020, 07:47:04 am
Heck, I'm wondering myself if I didn't already have it. I had loss of taste and smell which is all back now and a cough. No fever nothing else. If this was it, it was easier than 95% of anything I've ever caught....  I plan on waiting and getting a antibody test to see if I did. I've gotten sick so much in the last five,ten years that my immune system is like 'ehh I've seen something like this before' and knocked it out.
I was MUCH sicker just two years ago when I had both the Flu and Strep throat at the same time. THAT sucked! Throwing up with a sore throat and feeling horrid......fun times....remember when I was coming home from work after it hitting me and having to stop halfway home and get out and wretch on a side road. As I as roaring out my guts by the side of the road, I look up and there were ten deer across the street all looking at me like 'what is this guy dying from?!?'. It was crazy....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 02, 2020, 02:14:07 pm
I dont like any of these options:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/31/three-free-agent-options-to-replace-chicago-bears-nose-tackle-eddie-goldman/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on August 02, 2020, 03:50:53 pm
  I hope they cancel the year. Personally I don't care. The NFL was the last team sport I would watch. Now they are dead to me. These insects think they are important. Wait till they take a major hit in they're wallet and realize they were on the wrong side. Farewell to all of you that have a functioning brain. I'll miss many of the posts. On to more important matters. Time to take a stand!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 02, 2020, 04:08:14 pm
NBA is now #1 on my do not watch list.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 02, 2020, 04:17:17 pm
  I hope they cancel the year. Personally I don't care. The NFL was the last team sport I would watch. Now they are dead to me. These insects think they are important. Wait till they take a major hit in they're wallet and realize they were on the wrong side. Farewell to all of you that have a functioning brain. I'll miss many of the posts. On to more important matters. Time to take a stand!

That's a big step but best wishes.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 02, 2020, 07:26:44 pm
  I hope they cancel the year. Personally I don't care. The NFL was the last team sport I would watch. Now they are dead to me. These insects think they are important. Wait till they take a major hit in they're wallet and realize they were on the wrong side. Farewell to all of you that have a functioning brain. I'll miss many of the posts. On to more important matters. Time to take a stand!


I agree with you, joki!!The players have made themselves bigger than they really are. They forget who pays the bills..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 03, 2020, 06:55:05 pm
RB Napoleon Maxwell cut.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 03, 2020, 08:06:11 pm
And Pierce reactivated off Covid list
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 04, 2020, 03:37:49 pm
Hey Dallas, I like this, so should you:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/02/chicago-bears-left-guard-james-daniels-has-bulked-up-this-offseason/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline

He looks ready to kick butt and take names.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 04, 2020, 04:29:35 pm

As long as he doesn't lose any speed/flexibility this added strength/bulk is welcome.   Bears O-line has never been known to blow any d-lineman off the ball.  Now with the Ifedi and Whitehair the interior line may open up some running lanes.

Bears need to sign a decent NT and re-sign Robinson...and stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 04, 2020, 05:29:06 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/8/4/21354463/bears-five-potential-breakout-stars-to-watch-heading-into-2020-season

Could be fluff but some new faces.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 04, 2020, 06:51:15 pm
Is there any media coverage of training camp?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 04, 2020, 06:58:24 pm
Any sports media in Chicago talking about anything but social justice on radio shows and podcasts?
I tried listening to the under center podcast yesterday and they started to discuss Trubisky's recent interview with local media.

One host asked the other if there was anything Mithell DIDN'T say that he was expecting.  The response was "well I am surprised he didn't address social injustice" and they went on to discuss that and nothing else.  I get its importance but what happened to sports?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 04, 2020, 07:20:29 pm
They need their social justice...right up their a$s!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 04, 2020, 07:35:04 pm
NFL Channel, ESPN the SCORE spend little time talking about anything else.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 05, 2020, 04:00:21 am
I imagine the pandemic has wiped out ratings for radio talk.  I have listened pretty religiously to the Score over the years, but have hardly listened in months. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on August 05, 2020, 08:13:57 am
ESPN on FB is constantly posting crap about who kneeled and who didn't. How did sports become so fricking politicized??? This isn't why people watch sports!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 05, 2020, 08:16:32 am
 'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.'

George Carlin
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 05, 2020, 10:28:35 am
Per Biggs opt out deadline is 3p tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 05, 2020, 12:57:23 pm
Wouldnt it be interesting if ALL NFL players suddenly opted out.

The poor owners would cry
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 05, 2020, 01:13:20 pm
Blow it up, start over..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 05, 2020, 02:37:12 pm
I'm curious to see what the NFL TV ratings will be like this year.

They've gone down significantly each of the last several years and now more fans say they will not watch if there is anthem/flag kneeling.

At some point with TV ratings down the TV contracts will suffer and teams revenue will really drop.   They're already predicting a salary cap drop for the first time for next year because of loss of stadium revenue. 

The day of the big contracts may be closing at least for some years to come.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 05, 2020, 03:49:36 pm

The money paid to athletes for professional sports has been insane for years.  But its the same for actors, CEOs, and other professions.

If someone is willing to pay then you really can't fault the people receiving the earnings.   And most of us are OK with it as long as the game, or movie is good  or the company is doing well.

As for football, the anthem activities will turn many off and they will leave.  But most fans, especially with this virus impacting them daily, will more than welcome the return of the biggest sport in the USA - NFL football.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 05, 2020, 04:18:31 pm
Just like the mortgage bubble, the athlete pay bubble is bound to burst. And the screams will be many, with much rending of garments and gnashing of teeth.....   :D

But not as bad as when the student loan fiasco finally implodes...... :(
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 05, 2020, 04:46:06 pm

The NFL is stuck in the middle.  Can't alienate the players - can't alienate the fan base.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 05, 2020, 04:53:33 pm
The money paid to athletes for professional sports has been insane for years.  But its the same for actors, CEOs, and other professions.

If someone is willing to pay then you really can't fault the people receiving the earnings.   And most of us are OK with it as long as the game, or movie is good  or the company is doing well.

As for football, the anthem activities will turn many off and they will leave.  But most fans, especially with this virus impacting them daily, will more than welcome the return of the biggest sport in the USA - NFL football.

The salaries impact me when I feel seeing a game is too expensive..  The cost too see an actor in a movie has about doubled the last 10 years.
Some years ago I could take my family of 5 to a game for about $150.   Now about 15 years later it would be about $1000.  Not worth it for 3 hours of entertainment.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 05, 2020, 07:09:27 pm

Yet the stands are full every game.

 And the rest just watch it on TV or in my case put down the bucks for the NFL Sunday ticket.

Not gladly, but I do it cuz I'm a crazy addicted Bear fan that has watching Bear games high on my list of priorities in life.  My family doesn't understand - they tolerate it...sort of.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 05, 2020, 08:22:37 pm
I agree Dallas, except the people in the stands are less and less Joe fan and more and more corporate seats.
I used to see a lot of games as guest of attorneys.  I came to realize all of the hundreds of law firms, accounting firms and just about any business has 2-20season tickets. 
I figured it out that a very large portion of fans are in business seats.
Those businesses will buy the season ticket regardless of the cost.

Also most NFL revenue comes from the tv contracts.
That’s where the loss of revenue is coming from.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 06, 2020, 04:37:02 am
Dallas - You just described me exactly.  I don't hardly own another color to wear when not at work.  Navy, Orange, White, and Heather.  If I am wearing another color, it's a holiday or special occasion.  For my son's wedding, orange blazer, white dress shirt, navy slacks.  It's in my blood...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 06, 2020, 04:59:12 am
I hadn't missed a game in at least 30 years, until recently.. Even then I'd have the game on the radio (internet, wbbm). The NFL has let the players take over and run things. The players forget, we are the real boss, they are nobody's without us. No pay, no play..

The NFL ticket is ridiculous. Should be $99 to watch everything, $49 to watch just your team..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 06, 2020, 09:44:38 am
I hadn't missed a game in at least 30 years, until recently.. Even then I'd have the game on the radio (internet, wbbm). The NFL has let the players take over and run things. The players forget, we are the real boss, they are nobody's without us. No pay, no play..

It's not just the players.  It's the agents too.  And the owners are just as much to blame.  They want to put out a good product and can't if their top player is holding out.  Fans will call them cheap.


The NFL ticket is ridiculous. Should be $99 to watch everything, $49 to watch just your team..

Sometimes you can negotiate.  It comes out to about $20 per weekend.  Pricey I agree.  But if watching the Bears is a priority over golf or some other leisure activity...   You can always go to a bar/restaurant - I used to do that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 06, 2020, 10:52:28 am
I figure if I go to a sports bar I will spend 20$ + on food and drinks so it’s a break even.

Plus I don’t have to watch with a couple of guys who think Cutler is still the quarterback.  After the Bears I can watch whatever games I want not just local.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2020, 11:04:44 am
While "experts" seem to always know everything. I wouldnt bank on whatever ESPN says:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/05/espns-bold-prediction-for-bears-qb-competition-in-training-camp/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I still believe its Trubisky's job to lose. Besides, Trubisky has put in the most work this offseason. That should pay a lot of dividends on the practice field.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2020, 11:32:12 am
Too bad you cant read this

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/8/5/21356003/bears-show-up-in-shape-giving-matt-nagy-slight-head-start-in-roster-decisions
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 06, 2020, 11:46:05 am
I'm still holding out hope for Mitch.. Maybe last season was an off year for him, it happens to a young guy. Trubisky is a competitor, no way in hell he is happy about being drafted where he was, with Watson and Mahomes making him look like sh!t..  This is it, make or break..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 06, 2020, 11:48:55 am
I would say a lot of it hinges on what Castillo can do with the OL.  Give Mitch some protection, and I think his performance improves, along with the fire that has been lit under his rear. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 06, 2020, 11:58:13 am
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-african-american-community-the-latino-diverse

Just fukking incredible!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on August 06, 2020, 01:45:07 pm
ummm...  You missed it by one topic.  :)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 06, 2020, 02:24:31 pm
I would say a lot of it hinges on what Castillo can do with the OL.  Give Mitch some protection, and I think his performance improves, along with the fire that has been lit under his rear.

I don't think Mitch's problems can be solely attributed to pass protection.  Other QBs with worse protection have fared better statistically.  If you want to focus on the O-line - it's their deficiency in run blocking.  Defenses know that when they stop the Bears on first down and Mitch has a 2nd and 9 or 10 that they are going to pass the next couple downs and they make substitutions and alignment changes.  (Plus Nagy is in love with the passing game).

Lack of run game puts more pressure on the O-line and Mitch on passing down cuz the defense is no longer honest.  They don't fear the Bears' run game.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 06, 2020, 03:53:38 pm
The sad thing is, even though pre-season games take a fan thrashing anyway, without these and being able to see some sort of live-ish action, we will really know NOTHING until the rubber hits the road with the opener.

Completely mystified as to what we will see (and what is really happening in TC).....

That said, the season will probably be shortened anyway. What a clusterfuck this CHINESE (yes I said CHINESE) Wuhan Virus has caused to everything......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 06, 2020, 03:53:50 pm
Mitch has to be better at a) finding the open receiver, and b) hitting the open receiver.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 06, 2020, 04:17:02 pm
The sad thing is, even though pre-season games take a fan thrashing anyway, without these and being able to see some sort of live-ish action, we will really know NOTHING until the rubber hits the road with the opener.

Completely mystified as to what we will see (and what is really happening in TC).....

That said, the season will probably be shortened anyway. What a clusterfuck this CHINESE (yes I said CHINESE) Wuhan Virus has caused to everything......

They don't even practice in pads until 2 weeks before the opener.  Very weak training camp.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2020, 05:30:19 pm
I would say a lot of it hinges on what Castillo can do with the OL.  Give Mitch some protection, and I think his performance improves, along with the fire that has been lit under his rear.

ding ding ding
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 06, 2020, 05:45:07 pm

You can question quite a lot f things about Trubisky, but not his dedication or preparation. 

He just has to improve his pocket presence, decision making and his deep balls.  Maybe bringing on Foles will make him more motivated - but I kind of doubt it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2020, 05:50:16 pm
This is scary:

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/08/bears-coach-khalil-mack-brother-ledarius/?fbclid=IwAR2CHIf_q5WNOaSqwOIzrSumevKTmb5i50WTDpG4tDDi-9_Zlmo4Ck895Zk

Enjoy
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 06, 2020, 06:23:01 pm

Akiem Hicks played 5 games in 2019 - there's your reason for Mack's production falling off.

It's going to be real tough to evaluate Ladarius Mack without a preseason.  Maybe he goes to the PS - or maybe he can beat out Isaiah Irving, who really hasn't shown much.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 06, 2020, 06:29:58 pm
I don't see Irving being on the roster unless there's no one else.

He's athletic but has been given playing time here and there and just can't beat a block.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 06, 2020, 07:08:37 pm
I don't think Mitch's problems can be solely attributed to pass protection.  Other QBs with worse protection have fared better statistically.  If you want to focus on the O-line - it's their deficiency in run blocking. 

When many of us have said that the offensive line was responsible for much of Trubisky's poor performance, I think most of us were talking not only about pass protection, but also the lack of running game.  Since it was obvious early on that the Bears could not consistently run the ball (largely due to the offensive line), that allowed the defense to tee off on the cornerback on what was very likely to be a passing play.  And they couldn't do that also.

I am not convinced that Trubuksy will be a good quarterback.  I AM convinced that very few quarterbacks could have thrived behind last year's offensive line's pass protection combined with the lack of run blocking.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 07, 2020, 09:39:06 am
All I know is that if you have someone hanging on you in 2 seconds, you arent going to have much of a chance to go thru progressions.  Now maybe Mitch just takes too long to make his reads, or maybe he just doesnt have the time.  When Rogers or Brady get immediate pressure they dont look so great either.  If Mitch is just not smart enough, that is another story.  We shall find out this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 07, 2020, 10:37:44 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/8/6/21358028/bears-hope-to-minimize-pain-of-eddie-goldman-absence.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 07, 2020, 07:07:28 pm

All I know is that if you have someone hanging on you in 2 seconds, you arent going to have much of a chance to go thru progressions.  Now maybe Mitch just takes too long to make his reads, or maybe he just doesnt have the time.  When Rogers or Brady get immediate pressure they dont look so great either.  If Mitch is just not smart enough, that is another story.  We shall find out this year.


boogie

I hear ya.  When a guy gets to the QB in a couple seconds its tough to avoid the sack.  But watch Rodgers and Brady when they get a pass rush, they often just take a quick step left or right or they step up in the pocket.  It doesn't take a guy with the athleticism of Mitch to feel the pressure, keep his eyes down field and deliver a pass.  Mitch feels the pressure and its bail out city.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 08, 2020, 11:37:22 am
Let's all remember Mitch rarely used his feet last year. The year before it seemed as if he was picking up chunks of yards every drive..


I'm still wondering if there's going to be a season. If baseball is any hint of what to expect, may as well forget it..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on August 08, 2020, 11:38:56 am
No fans in the seats, players kneeling.. Revenue will plummet....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 10, 2020, 04:38:39 am
Or pump-fakes - Rodgers is very instinctive
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 10, 2020, 06:20:22 am
Strange seeing baseball with cardboard fans in the stands. Football too? Insane.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 10, 2020, 07:50:33 am
Innovative Fandom?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/08/phillies-fans-yankees-aaron-boone-horns-fandemic

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 10, 2020, 03:08:10 pm
Wrong board I know, but rumors that pac-12 and big -10 are not playing this year.  I wish I could say I'm freaked, but well....I'm not. Everyone needs to remember all this BS come november.
I'm sick of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 14, 2020, 07:13:50 am
Mason Fine (https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/13/chicago-bears-bringing-in-north-texas-quarterback-mason-fine-for-tryout/) brought in to eliminate Bray once and for all...

Real practice starts on Monday.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 14, 2020, 09:06:49 am
Lets see what Fine can do.  I wouldnt mind seeing Bray go.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 14, 2020, 11:44:23 am

Bray had a pretty good preseason last summer, but he's not going to make the 53 man roster.

Without preseason we may never see Fine take the field in 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 14, 2020, 02:21:34 pm
What about Howard and Howard?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 14, 2020, 08:03:59 pm

Saw something about Eddie Jackson wanting to play WR on offense.  Cornerback Leslie Frazier wanted to return a kick off in the Super Bowl after the Bears built a big lead...that was the last thing he did as a player in the NFL.

The game in dangerous enough no need exposing players to additional opportunities to get injured.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 15, 2020, 11:10:57 am
"Run, and you'll live...at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days, from this day to that, for one chance – just one chance – to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll never take our FRRREEEEDDOM !"

Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).

Or to paraphrase Frank Drebin: "Sure, you take chance crossing the street, or sticking your face in fan....."

Maybe I'm old enough to have lived long enough (or maybe to know better) but I see too much "bubble wrap" happening to folks. We are turning into "Bubble People" :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 15, 2020, 01:18:01 pm
Couldn’t agree more. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 15, 2020, 09:14:57 pm

Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).


Took his chance - ended his career.   No bigee.   You know he still would have that Super Bowls memory and could have contributed to another one if he wasn't crippled.

Would you say the same if Jackson tore a tendon or broke a bone when some strong safety tee'd off on Jackson after a catch?

Let the Bears young receivers focus on playing WR and let Jackson focus on playing free safety.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 16, 2020, 11:11:35 am
Where Jackson made that game cinching play vs the Packers was a bittersweet moment for sure. Joy at the win and concern at the injury (and it cost us in the playoffs). It seems in the last 2 decades, even when we beat GB we still lose somehow... :(
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 16, 2020, 07:42:14 pm
Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).


Took his chance - ended his career.   No bigee.   You know he still would have that Super Bowls memory and could have contributed to another one if he wasn't crippled.

Would you say the same if Jackson tore a tendon or broke a bone when some strong safety tee'd off on Jackson after a catch?

Let the Bears young receivers focus on playing WR and let Jackson focus on playing free safety.

One of the baseball players I admire the most was Ted Williams, the last player to hit .400 in the majors.

He went into the last day of the season with a BA of .39955.  His manager told him that he could sit out the final double header if he wanted to, and everyone would consider his BA to be rounded up to .400.

Ted refused.  He merely said "either I hit .400 or I don't.

In his first at bat for the double header, he hit a single, raising his BA to .400.  Again, his manager told him that he could sit out the rest of the two meaningless games if he wished, but once again, he said "either I hit .400 or I don't.

He went on the get several more hits on the day (he played all of both games) and ended the year with a BA of .407. 

No one else has ever reached .400 for a season.  He could have sat out the last few at bats and still held the record, but it was something he wanted to do.

Bad things sometimes happen to good people.  But I have to admire those who refuse to live their life in fear.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 16, 2020, 11:20:58 pm
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/mitch-trubisky-connects-strike-jimmy-graham-bears-training-camp-video?fbclid=IwAR0aFheAafJrDw7YKC9ltTT0OR9Sx_m1IOcy7IVT3qTnemKZY7gBA4BLxX0
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 17, 2020, 05:50:06 pm

davep

Yeah, Ted Williams had balls.  Got it.  He risked a statistical notation in the record books by taking those extra swings not his career.

During his rookie season Walter Payton led the NFL in kick off returns while having a pretty mediocre year running the ball.

The next couple of years he had 2 total KO returns and was done returning kicks as he established himself as one of the top runners in the league.  Was he living his life in fear by not returning kicks?

No - I'm sure he would have done it, but the coaches/GM determined that they shouldn't risk such a talent returning kicks. 

Why risk one of the top free safeties in the league to other safeties and linebackers taking shots at his legs?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 18, 2020, 10:37:37 am
FWIW

Bears QB Competition: Nick Foles gets slight edge over Mitch Trubisky on Day 1 (https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-qb-competition-nick-foles-gets-slight-edge-over-mitch-trubisky-day-1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHM-xlO0cfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwHntknKmBo&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on August 18, 2020, 12:35:55 pm
davep

Yeah, Ted Williams had balls.  Got it.  He risked a statistical notation in the record books by taking those extra swings not his career.

During his rookie season Walter Payton led the NFL in kick off returns while having a pretty mediocre year running the ball.

The next couple of years he had 2 total KO returns and was done returning kicks as he established himself as one of the top runners in the league.  Was he living his life in fear by not returning kicks?

No - I'm sure he would have done it, but the coaches/GM determined that they shouldn't risk such a talent returning kicks. 

Why risk one of the top free safeties in the league to other safeties and linebackers taking shots at his legs?

I totally agree.  If I were the coach, I would never have allowed it.  It was a foolish risk to allow Frasier to take.

However, the risk of Payton hurting himself returning kick offs a dozen times a year for a dozen years is quite a bit higher than Frasier hurting himself on one single kickoff return.

As I said, if I were the coach, I would not have allowed it, but I would like to think that if I were Frasier, I would have done it if allowed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 18, 2020, 02:51:41 pm

The decision to let Frazier was not thought out during the planning sessions prior to the Super Bowl.  The Bears coaches and Frazier got caught up in the euphoria of their Super Bowl slaughter and made a decision that most would not even second guess.  I get it.

My point is that the Bears have plenty of time to evaluate letting Jackson play offense.  Is he that much of a talent at WR?  Did Saban ever play him at WR?

The Bears got Jackson in the 4th round because he had a leg injury his senior year that ended his season early.  And how did he get the leg injury? 

He was returning a punt. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 18, 2020, 04:53:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k403AlPhscA
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2020, 12:06:22 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-training-camp-first-padded-practice-takeaways-2020/5/

So Burns got work with the first unit and tore his ACL. Shows you what he was worth. Nada.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2020, 12:11:02 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-camp-cornerback-artie-burns-left-tuesdays-practice-with-left-knee-injury/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 19, 2020, 12:30:56 pm
Lets hope this isn't the intro for the typical Bears clown show.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 19, 2020, 12:34:24 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-training-camp-first-padded-practice-takeaways-2020/5/

So Burns got work with the first unit and tore his ACL. Shows you what he was worth. Nada.

What's that supposed to mean?

Looks like a battle between the rookie and Tolliver.  And the other rookie Kindle Vildor is a tad bit undersized and not very agile but he's strong and fast.  He might compete for playing time and make the 53 man roster.  And not much about Stephen Denmark. 

The media spends most of their time spouting off stories like Trubisky completing a pass to Graham...without a pass rush. 

But there are plenty of battles going on for spots on the team and not much in depth coverage.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2020, 12:39:11 pm
What's that supposed to mean?

Looks like a battle between the rookie and Tolliver.  And the other rookie Kindle Vildor is a tad bit undersized and not very agile but he's strong and fast.  He might compete for playing time and make the 53 man roster.  And not much about Stephen Denmark. 

The media spends most of their time spouting off stories like Trubisky completing a pass to Graham...without a pass rush. 

But there are plenty of battles going on for spots on the team and not much in depth coverage.

So what do you think it means?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 19, 2020, 12:46:17 pm

The injury was unfortunate for Burns and the Bears.  No crass comments required.  I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2020, 01:41:37 pm
Well just to add my 2 cents worth. First of all Burns  lost favor in Pittsburgh because he couldnt cover. He ended up being a special teamer. I wasnt happy with the signing. I thought they were just getting a special

teamer and not a bonifide CB starter. Then he puts on the pads for the 1st time as a Bear and tears up his ACL. IMHO no great loss. Next man up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 19, 2020, 04:45:29 pm

I don't care that Burns was not starting at Pittsburgh.  And it also doesn't matter that Burns was a 1st round draft pick either.

But the Bears coaches apparently saw enough of him during the practices to elevate him to first team, above Tolliver and the 2nd rounder Johnson.

Is it a great loss?  Probably not since the Bears have a little bit of depth at CB,  but he might have been our starting RCB and you can't have enough corners on a team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2020, 05:19:38 pm
What I agree with is the last statement, "you can't have enough corners on a team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 19, 2020, 11:39:36 pm

You should agree with all of it - it's the truth.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 20, 2020, 06:54:25 am
Thank God he wont be our RCB. He was horrible in Pittsburgh and you know it and cant sugar coat it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 20, 2020, 07:44:22 am
Like any team, depth is a concern.  We are already light at dline with Goldman opting out.  God forbid if we lose Fuller at CB!  Who is on the street that is available?  Did Prince sign with another team?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 20, 2020, 07:48:21 am
https://www.raiders.com/news/raiders-sign-cornerback-prince-amukamara

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 20, 2020, 04:58:55 pm

Bears may have elevated Burns to first team to better evaluate him.  Regardless, he's gone.

Bears have other options on the roster besides the rookie and Tolliver.  I mentioned a couple of names the other day.  There was an article that suggested Skrine had some corner experience with previous teams.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 20, 2020, 05:29:31 pm
Aside from a still healing Johnson and an inexperienced Tolliver the options get pretty scary.

Maybe they’ll sign an aging veteran if Johnson won’t be ready.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 20, 2020, 06:33:24 pm

Here's a couple of available FA corners:  Logan Ryan is the youngest the rest are 30 and over and coming off injuries:  Aquib Talib, Dre Kirpatrick and Trumaine Johnson.

I don't see why Tolliver or Johnson can't play corner.  Plus rookie Kindle and last year's 7th rounder Stephen Denmark are also available depth.

Without preseason we really don't know what any of these guys are really capable of.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 20, 2020, 07:24:09 pm
Here's a couple of available FA corners:  Logan Ryan is the youngest the rest are 30 and over and coming off injuries:  Aquib Talib, Dre Kirpatrick and Trumaine Johnson.

I don't see why Tolliver or Johnson can't play corner.  Plus rookie Kindle and last year's 7th rounder Stephen Denmark are also available depth.

Without preseason we really don't know what any of these guys are really capable of.
.

No one has said Johnson or Tolliver can’t play.

The media has never dug for the story on Johnson s shoulder health and of course the team isn’t talking.
I expected him to start but with the start of camp I hear things like “not fully healed” and “limited in camp.”
It’s not clear if or when he may be ready.
If he’s not that leaves Tolliver so the coaches will need to decide further into camp.

My guess is guys like Logan Ryan and Truman Johnson will hold out for starting gigs and maybe not sign until the last week.  Takin will likely want big money.
It wouldn’t bother me if the Bears were a player in Ryan or Johnson as plug and play then see if Jaylon can replace them later into the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on August 20, 2020, 11:18:23 pm
Honestly, I've watched Tolliver closely & he looks like a competent CB to me. Even when his man catches a pass he's right there in close coverage.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 21, 2020, 08:39:13 am
Didnt Tolliver blanket cover Amari Cooper and one other A+ WR who escapes me right now, maybe from GB?  He looked good when given the chance.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2020, 10:37:52 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/21/bears-injury-report-dt-akiem-hicks-sat-out-with-quad-te-darion-clark-done-for-year/?fbclid=IwAR03-XKhGhtx9PEG13KQ6g4eeRNhA2qvUKplHpMmPhcReI54aXj_h04sSVQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 22, 2020, 05:45:12 pm

Kyle Fuller suspended two-games - NFL substance abuse violation policy

(Oops - not ours - the Seahawks Kyle Fuller)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on August 24, 2020, 03:34:28 pm
Tolliver was a 5-star prospect. He dropped to UDFA due to red flags on his makeup.

The fact that Tolliver has stuck to this point tells me he's cleaned his act up enough to be welcome on the roster. His talent has never been much of a question mark.
It's always been about whether he was coachable.

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/8/2/17641152/chicago-bears-udfa-breakdown-kevin-toliver-2018-nfl-draft-cornerback-lsu
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 24, 2020, 05:23:15 pm

Tolliver wouldn't have lasted through two different defensive coaches if he wasn't coachable.

At this point it's all about talent.  His play in college and a few starts his last couple years don't tell a whole lot.

We'll begin to find out in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 24, 2020, 07:04:19 pm
Tolliver was a 5-star prospect. He dropped to UDFA due to red flags on his makeup.

The fact that Tolliver has stuck to this point tells me he's cleaned his act up enough to be welcome on the roster. His talent has never been much of a question mark.
It's always been about whether he was coachable.

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/8/2/17641152/chicago-bears-udfa-breakdown-kevin-toliver-2018-nfl-draft-cornerback-lsu
.

Long time since you posted here.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 25, 2020, 11:24:41 am
Robert Quinn, Anthony Miller, Jaylon Johnson, Spriggs and Akeem Hicks not in full practice lately with undisclosed injuries. 

Spriggs is a knee but they haven't said how serious.   Still no full hitting in any practice.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on August 25, 2020, 11:50:22 am
.

Long time since you posted here.

Yeah, I'm a busy guy these days. But, it's football/fantasy draft season so...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on August 26, 2020, 12:08:55 pm
Montgomery carted off, non contact injury...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 26, 2020, 12:31:11 pm
strained groin, reportedly...maybe a bullet dodged?

Devonta Freeman needs to be on speed dial if not...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 26, 2020, 01:14:00 pm
Why did Montgomery give up eating red meat????????????  Oh the inhumanity of it all
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 26, 2020, 01:16:55 pm
Doesnt look like a groin: 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298673555333427207
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 26, 2020, 05:02:45 pm

Dr. Boogie

What does it look like? 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 26, 2020, 05:06:45 pm
Yes, Please doc, tell us what it is?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 26, 2020, 11:45:21 pm
Looks like ILB might make the roster.

Jaylon Johnson getting praises.

I swear I’ve had it with the media.  One report he’s limited still recovering another says he’s breaking up passes
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on August 27, 2020, 08:08:41 am
Looks like a knee to me.  ACL maybe.  I have pulled my groin before, and dont ever remember hopping on one leg and not putting any pressure on the other.  I may not be as smart as some of you all, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 27, 2020, 08:39:27 am
I pulled a muscle in the shower the other day

(about 20 times)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 27, 2020, 10:26:09 am

I've not stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently, but I have torn my ACL.  Even though the it appeared that Montgomery was in intense pain which is common with an ACL tear, the fact that he tried to jump up and walk it off is not common.  Most guys are on their backs writhing in pain for quite a while after an ACL, not hopping around.

Also, why would Nagy misinform Bears fans?  Although some think Nagy doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground, I think he knows the difference between a knee and a groin.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 27, 2020, 10:28:05 am
I pulled a muscle in the shower the other day

(about 20 times)

You are very patriotic, are you a Minute Man?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 27, 2020, 10:32:25 am
I would speculate it’s not likely he will be ready for the opener and longer.

Curious to see if they sign someone.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 27, 2020, 11:33:01 am
I speculate if there will be a season at all. Doesn't appear to be one for the NBA.  Which for me is just fine. I'm sure it will be fine for the players as well......until the money runs out in about
2 weeks.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on August 27, 2020, 11:44:56 am
It is all about the money
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 28, 2020, 04:52:00 pm
Free agent Alec Ogletree worked out for the Bears.

It's the first we've heard on Ogletree since his February release. Ogletree never lived up to his Giants contract, but it's surprising there hasn't been more interest him. 28-year-old Ogletree has started every game he's appeared in since entering the league in 2013. Chicago also worked out free agents Devante Bond and Gabe Sewell.

Related: Chicago Bears
Source: Sports Illustrated
Aug 28, 2020, 5:15 PM ET
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on August 28, 2020, 04:56:15 pm
Ian Rapoport is reporting that David Montgomery will miss 2-4 weeks...making him questionable at best for the Detroit game...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2020, 07:02:01 pm
Why are they bringing in linebackers to play running back?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 30, 2020, 10:39:03 pm
Sounds like Fuller is having the best camp.

QB’s don’t seem to have impressed

Good reports on Mooney, Kmet, Gipson and Mack jr.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 31, 2020, 01:51:06 am

Reports...from the media.  That's all we got.

Ledarius Mack may have a shot though I haven't seen him play.

Look at his competition for backup OLB:  Barkevious Mingo, the rookie 5th rounder Gipson, and 2 FAs Vaughters and Irving.

Probably PS.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on August 31, 2020, 08:50:55 am
Given Montgomery's injury and lack of productive consistency, Bears have to at least consider Leonard Fournette. According to ESPN, with Jax releasing him, it only costs 4.17 mil to add him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on August 31, 2020, 10:25:22 am
Derrius Guice is out there but I don't see anyone touching him with a 20' pole.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 31, 2020, 12:27:29 pm
Reportedly the Jags could not get any draft pick for Fournette.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on August 31, 2020, 12:52:15 pm
better sign somebody up, the side to side guy isn't all that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 31, 2020, 01:57:57 pm
Hmmmm the Raiders released Prince Amakamura.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 31, 2020, 03:49:26 pm

Prince may find a team with a season ending injury at CB and desperate for a starter.  He's 31 years old and lost a step.

They call those guys retired.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on August 31, 2020, 04:32:26 pm
Someone signed Logan Ryan for 7.5mil.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2020, 04:45:37 pm
Haha haha. Maybe the Bears were smarter than we think.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on August 31, 2020, 08:55:13 pm
Bringing Prince back as depth wouldn't be a terrible idea if he doesn't find a better option. We're thin and he knows our schemes. I would not have him starting ahead of a healthy Jaylon though.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on August 31, 2020, 10:57:52 pm

Or Tolliver.  If Tolliver and Johnson can stay healthy then the Bears can develop guys like Denmark and Kindle.  But if those 2 are not ready then Prince "might" be an option.  Remember there are other free agents and practice squad players that may be younger than the aging Amukamora. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 01, 2020, 04:42:40 am
I agree, Amukamora for some depth. Definitely not starter..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2020, 07:49:05 pm
The Bears have about $17mil in cap space.

There are always reports on extending Alan Robinson but there are other options to look at too.

I guess when the roster cuts come we’ll find out.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2020, 11:16:52 am
Sounds logical.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2020, 12:02:39 pm
Well here is the Suntimes answer:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/9/1/21409516/bears-training-camp-2020-who-makes-roster-cut-day-saturday-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-53-man-practice-squad
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 02, 2020, 02:03:43 pm

I only have one disagreement.

Do the Bears really need 5 TEs?   Why do we need Saubert?   Graham is a receiver.  Kmet and Harris are both.  Holtz is more of a blocker.  I'd almost advocate Horsted over Saubert.

I'd replace Saubert's roster spot with d-lineman Abdullah.   D-lineman get tired especially when rushing the passer.  Adding Abdullah gives the Bears 3 backups for 3 starters.

I'd also consider finding a spot for Trevon McSwain, but I haven't seen him play so I can't really say.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 02, 2020, 02:23:45 pm
the guys reporting on the practices have been mentioning that Saubert has stood out and that Kmet and Graham have really looked good.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on September 02, 2020, 02:47:16 pm
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/09/bears-wont-pursue-leonard-fournette
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 02, 2020, 04:31:29 pm
Saw where Goodell is saying the nfl will support protesting players. Good for them, and I wish them nothing but the best, but I ain't watching any of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 02, 2020, 04:54:37 pm
I guess this means they’ll televise the national anthem now.

Just a bunch of talk and pandering with few willing to actually do anything.

WR Kenny Stills formed a small group of players who met with local police to discuss how to improve behavior on both sides.
How many other similar stories have their been?

I haven’t seen any.

People just talk to make themselves feel better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2020, 06:13:16 pm
And THATS ALL FOLKS!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 03, 2020, 12:00:47 pm
Saw where Goodell is saying the nfl will support protesting players. Good for them, and I wish them nothing but the best, but I ain't watching any of it.

Difference between you and I. I wish them anything but the best.. They can all go to he11! Goodell is the worst thing to happen to the NFL. And the protesting players can all go fukk themselves!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 03, 2020, 12:28:00 pm
Yeah, saw that. If I see it once its the last time I watch any NFL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 03, 2020, 04:12:42 pm
Sad thing is, I bet you can count on one hand the players who actually "know" the organization's they are supporting (BLM) and the ones they are not (police)... talk about the blind leading the clueless......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 03, 2020, 08:48:13 pm

My annual attempt at a 53 man roster - haven't got one right yet:

Quarterbacks (2): Mitch Trubisky, Nick Foles
Running backs (5) David Montgomery, Tarik Cohen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Ryan Nall, Artavis Pierce
Wideouts (6): Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller, Ted Ginn Jr., Riley Ridley, Darnell Mooney, Javon Wims
O-line (8):   Charles Leno, James Daniels, Cody Whitehair, Germain Ifedi, Bobby Massie, Jason Spriggs, Rashaad Coward, Alex Bars
TE (4):  Jimmy Graham, Cole Kmet, Demetrius Harris, J.P. Holtz

Don't need Saubert as 5th = let's see what Pierce and Nall can do filling in for Montgomery - loser goes to PS when Montgomery returns and Saubert returns I guess (I like Horsted better)

D-line (6):  Defensive line (5): Akiem Hicks, Bilal Nichols, Roy Robertson-Harris, John Jenkins, Brent Urban
OLB(5) : Khalil Mack, Robert Quinn, Barkevious Mingo, Isaiah Irving;, Trevis Gipson
ILB(4): Danny Trevathan, Roquan Smith, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Josh Woods
CB (6):  Kyle Fuller, Buster Skrine, Jaylon Johnson, Kevin Toliver, Kindle Vildor, Stephen Denmark
S(5):  Eddie Jackson, Deon Bush, Tashaun Gipson, Sherrick McManis, DeAndre Houston-Carson

Bears will need to add  Abdullah Anderson at least until Hicks is full go - but then who sits for a week or so?  Maybe 6th corner?




Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2020, 10:41:13 pm
That’s 51...kicker, punter, and long snapper will be 54...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 03, 2020, 11:37:52 pm

I think there's no debate at those 3 spots.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2020, 11:57:19 pm
Well, yeah...I was just saying you’re one over...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 04, 2020, 12:04:55 am
Right now I think they’re going to keep both santis and Pinero until Pinero recovers
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 04, 2020, 08:49:22 am

My bad!  I get fined by the commissioner.

Maybe we let Nall and Pierce flip a coin or put Josh Woods on the PS for a week or 2 and bring him back after Montgomery returns.  Then Nall and Pierce flip the coin.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 04, 2020, 08:54:28 am
I think it will be Nall.  3 years with the team, should know the blocking assignments, etc.  Montgomery, I doubt will be 100% for Detroit.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 04, 2020, 09:53:16 am
My bad!  I get fined by the commissioner.

Maybe we let Nall and Pierce flip a coin or put Josh Woods on the PS for a week or 2 and bring him back after Montgomery returns.  Then Nall and Pierce flip the coin.

And you should be. haha. Just for my 2 cents worth......I dont want to see Pierce exposed to waivers. I think he is a diamond keeper to develop.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 04, 2020, 09:57:27 am
And just for grins and giggles:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/03/chicago-bears-post-training-camp-53-man-roster-projection/

I dont play the guessing game. The real 53 comes tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 04, 2020, 12:14:42 pm

I've seen a couple mock rosters and they don't vary that much.  I think 5 corners is kind of light unless Bears think Skrine and Vildoor project to CB instead of being pure nickel backs.  I added Denmark but that's probably not going to happen as they'll again stash him on the PS with no game film available to the rest of the league. 

Most mocks have 5 TEs making the roster - this is the first with Horsted - most have Saubert.  I don't know why the Bears need 5, but I prefer Horsted.   3 of the other  4 should be able to block.

As for Pierce, he was passed up by all 32 teams on draft day.  He chose the Bears for obvious reasons.  I just don't know if any NFL team would sign him off the PS to their active roster.  There is no preseason game film this year.  So not likely.  If a team does, the Bears can move him up and drop someone else down.

I'd like to see both Nall and Pierce get carries against Detroit.  Pierce has more straight ahead speed, but Nall has more size, and as Griz pointed out more experience in the Bears system.  Surprisingly, Nall is actually quicker and has virtually the same speed over the first 10 and first 20 yards.   But all that is meaningless - got to see them between the white lines in a real game.

Maybe next week?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2020, 01:49:34 pm
Pierce cut
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 05, 2020, 05:49:30 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/f5f4eb0ceb5db273989d839d971ea1ec.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on September 05, 2020, 06:44:46 pm
The real shocking cut to me was Tolliver.  Three of the five CBs have no NFL experience.  (I don't remember if Shelley got in last year). I have to think they have a veteran they want to bring in.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 05, 2020, 08:12:51 pm

Rookie  seventh-round pick Arlington Hambright makes the team.  Good for him.

5 TEs?  Why?

I guess Kindle is our starting CB unless Jaylon Johnson has recovered from that shoulder.  Unless they are planning on starting Skrine at RCB, then bring in someone else with the nickel package.

But as well all know this 53 man roster may not be the same next weekend.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 05, 2020, 08:17:47 pm
the Toliver cut is nuts, they must really like 5'8 corners.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 05, 2020, 08:41:49 pm
Well I had read Tolliver was not particularly impressive in camp but I’m surprised.

The Raiders cut 2 second round pick corners and the Eagles 2 guys who played a lot.

Maybe they think there’s better options out there.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 06, 2020, 08:50:44 pm
Interesting about Pierce:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/9/6/21425270/bears-sign-qb-tyler-bray-rb-artavis-pierce-14-others-to-practice-squad
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 06, 2020, 10:04:41 pm
Hard to believe we will be watching the Bears play against the Lions a week from today.  What a year...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on September 07, 2020, 12:45:43 am
I'm just not gonna watch it, at least the first game. Not real happy AT ALL with how their doing things in sports nowadays....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 07, 2020, 01:17:41 am
I will watch and then if they do something stupid like kneel during the anthem I will write letters or e-mail everyone who runs an advertisement during the game.  Hit the advertisers hard for supporting communists, drug users and child rapists.  That will help more then just not watching.  Or do both.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 07, 2020, 10:13:06 am

I'll watch on 9/13 and vote on 11/3.

BLM has evolved into something more than it once was.  I doubt all the players understand that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 07, 2020, 11:31:58 am
I know it's politics, but I'm not happy with the way the Bears handled the Urlacher tweet. I wish they (the Bears) just didn't say anything. I quit paying for the ticket a few years ago. I did have the red zone, but just recently canceled that. I have been listening to a radio feed (wbbm) but don't think 'll even do that. I love the Cubs and love watching them, but haven't tuned into a single game this season.. Fukk sports!! And for sure fukk the NBA..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on September 07, 2020, 11:34:28 am
One more thing. Ratings will be way off this season, they'll blame it on covid..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2020, 11:34:43 am
I think they all know that all their support money goes directly to the DNC. Not a doubt here
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2020, 11:38:20 am
And if I see even one disrespectful thing I will definitely turn the TV to some better entertainment. And I know I wont watch one NBA game either.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 07, 2020, 11:06:20 pm

Bears signed Mario Edwards Jr right?  Why isn't he on the roster?  Somebody will have to go.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 08, 2020, 01:51:53 pm
Piñeiro on 3 wk IR.  Santos will kick.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 08, 2020, 01:54:38 pm
The Pineiro move makes room for Edwards. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 08, 2020, 04:59:55 pm

These new PS rules are permitting Bears to not keep a kicker on the 53 man.  They can bring back Santos 3 times from the PS before he has to be released.  And it so happens that Piniero's IR stint is the same number of games:  3.

If Piniero is good to go in 3 weeks it may all work out.  Just go to hope Santos can be efficient for the first 3 games.   

But what if  Santos is better than efficient?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 08, 2020, 05:13:48 pm
Might cut Pinero or IR him for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 11, 2020, 09:42:39 am
I think I need to call BS:

The Chicago Bears went into the 2020 offseason searching for a quarterback to push – or replace – starter Mitchell Trubisky after the former second overall pick struggled in his third season in the NFL. While they ultimately settled on trading for Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Nick Foles, they nearly found a future Hall of Fame player to take the job outright.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady, who signed with the team this offseason after a legendary career in New England, reportedly was close to signing with the Bears this spring, according to sports talk host Dan Patrick.

Reporting on his own radio show, Patrick revealed the Bears were on the shortlist of teams Brady was looking to sign with.

“Did you know that the Bears were on the final, final list of teams for Tom Brady?” Patrick asked his producer.

- ADVERTISEMENT -

The former NBC Football Night in America host continued:

“The final list that Brady was looking at, the Chargers, the Bears, and the Buccaneers. I was told this yesterday. I said ‘wait a minute, the Bears?’ [Source] said yes. Brady was considering the Bears, the Chargers were a long shot because of the west coast…the fact that he was considering the Bears, Chicago at least – because he wanted to be [close] in proximity to New York where his son is…but ended up taking Tampa Bay.”

Ever since rumors began circulating regarding Brady’s unhappiness in New England and his impending free agency drawing closer and closer, many pegged the Bears as a popular choice for the six-time Super Bowl winner.

When free agency finally began, the Bears were never mentioned as a destination for Brady. It’s unclear how much interest the Bears had or how hard they pushed to land him. General manager Ryan Pace reportedly was working to sign free agent quarterback Teddy Bridgewater before he chose to sign in Carolina. Brady ultimately winds up choosing Tampa Bay and the Bears make a trade for Foles to push Trubisky instead of signing one of the greatest of all time to replace him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 15, 2020, 01:44:50 pm
More and more I'm beginning to believe this Pace guy was nothing more than Peyton's personnel assistant.  Now seeing where they're not extending #12, he's pissed, and N.E. are stiffing around, Pace will probably trade him for a punter on the N.E. squad straight up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 15, 2020, 04:00:52 pm

So it's true?  The Bears are not going to offer a long term deal to A-Rob?   And he's on the block?

Wow, I guess Miller's 4th quarter, Wims TD catch and Mooney's 3 catches must have signaled that A-Rob is A-dios.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on September 15, 2020, 05:35:38 pm
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd take a hard pass on Robinson at over 20 million per year.  I think wr is the most habitually overpaid position in the NFL (along with CB).  Robinson isn't dynamic with the ball in his hands and he doesn't have that elite speed that puts pressure on defenses.  He's a great player, top 20 wr easy.  I'd love for him to stay a bear, but high teens for 3 years would be as far as I'd go.  Especially with the cap level next year being so uncertain.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 15, 2020, 08:05:24 pm

Most likely they are haggling over the $.

Bears have spent a lot of cash on free agents the last few years, primarily due having to fill holes because of trading high draft picks and not hitting on the high draft picks they kept.

They have $9.5M in cap space but they are unsettled at QB.  They are going to try out Trubisky and may be setting aside money for him.  Foles deal hurts them this year and next...relief maybe in 2022.

It sucks that the Bears can't afford their top receiver.  The Packers have theirs.  The Vikings had 2 until this season.  And the Lions shelled out some bucks for Marvin Jones, but are currently enjoying Galladay's rookie deal.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 16, 2020, 09:22:41 pm
Teams  are raiding our practice squad.  Eagles after giving up 8 sacks last week snatched vet guard Jamon Brown.  Cowboys got UFA LBer Rashad Smith.  Abdullah Anderson was released from the practice squad to make room for Mack's brother LeDarious.

As for the injury report:  Quinn and Mack were limited but Graham and Ginn DNP (veteran's day off).
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 16, 2020, 10:19:41 pm
LOL yeah Ginn needs a day off.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on September 18, 2020, 01:57:23 pm
The tape never lies moved to his own YouTube channel. 

https://youtu.be/-eoX82M6k6s
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on September 18, 2020, 02:00:09 pm
Durkin started his own all22 bears channel too:

https://youtu.be/JClo56adkuk
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 18, 2020, 02:07:15 pm
Apparently the Bears and Robinson are only about $2 mil apart.  They better get this done.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2020, 02:56:12 pm
Chump change in today's NFL unless they let 'lil Mikey back at it, in between his campaigning for Biden. See who the Bear "expert" is on nbc Chicago ? Wanny.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 18, 2020, 04:49:55 pm
The tape never lies moved to his own YouTube channel. 

https://youtu.be/-eoX82M6k6s

Ifedi played well.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 18, 2020, 08:33:50 pm
Ifedi played well.

but Leno still sucks!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 18, 2020, 08:41:07 pm
Of course he always does when you dont like him
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 18, 2020, 08:55:17 pm
Of course he always does when you dont like him

nothing to do with liking, has to do with the tape, which never lies.

you should watch the tape review before commenting.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on September 19, 2020, 08:50:52 am
Yeah how many times was Leno laying on the ground because he fell down.  I like the walrus description Draft Dr Phil gave him.  He is the weak link for sure.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 19, 2020, 11:48:32 am
Frankly I am shocked that the Bears are looking to extend Cohen too.  I just assumed he was gone after this year.  Especially after all the possible cap casualties next year, starting tackles, etc.  IMO they should just focus on the ARob extension...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 19, 2020, 03:48:53 pm
Robinson is making $15mil this year.

Reports are the offer is 16 and he wants 18

If so and considering he’s probably our best player his demand is not that unreasonable.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 19, 2020, 05:11:35 pm
Give him 16 and let him reach 18 with incentive bonuses that he should be able to reach as long as he continues to perform as he currently is or better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 20, 2020, 12:23:16 am
Cohen contract completed and talks with Robinson resumed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on September 20, 2020, 12:16:25 pm
Can't complain about that drive.  Mitch made two great throws.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 20, 2020, 12:21:08 pm
Strip sack Quinn

Miller can’t make TD catch on a perfect throw
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 20, 2020, 12:21:43 pm
Good start!  10-0 Bears.

Quinn makes his presence known causing the fumble.

Miller should of had the TD.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 20, 2020, 12:23:40 pm
Think he was shielded by the CB a bit, but that was a perfect throw, and Ant should have had it...

Good Mitch so far...which is nice...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 20, 2020, 12:26:10 pm
Fuller 2 pass defended in 1 series
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on September 22, 2020, 02:56:22 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR5TAuma4G8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on September 23, 2020, 08:41:08 am
Gayle Sayers has died. RIP, #40, a true Bear.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 23, 2020, 09:02:13 am
Damn...RIP #40
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 23, 2020, 09:25:12 am
Thats sad. I met him one time. He was a fine gentleman and a great Bear.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 23, 2020, 10:48:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSAHH4DBhI
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 23, 2020, 11:58:02 am
RIP Gayle Sayers
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 23, 2020, 01:58:49 pm
Sadly, this will become more common as life, which gives so much at its start, takes things away.......

RIP Kansas Comet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 23, 2020, 05:09:50 pm
Bears sign 6’7. 350lb nose tackle from the Steelers.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 23, 2020, 05:22:23 pm
Can he play LT as well?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on September 23, 2020, 05:43:16 pm
At least he can stand there so they have to run around him
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 23, 2020, 06:25:28 pm

The might have signed him because of Jenkins who is on the injury report and Mack is again questionable.  Good news Quinn is not listed.

Bears are pretty healthy - Falcons are beat up especially their 2 starting OTs and their top pass rusher.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 23, 2020, 06:32:05 pm
After watching tape never lies....man do we need a fullback.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 23, 2020, 09:47:29 pm
I thought we had one. Nall?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on September 23, 2020, 09:49:28 pm
I've never been a fan of our 4th TE (Holtz) or our 5th TE (Saubert).  We didn't need a 5th TE but the Bears need to find a FB or a 4th TE that can block more consistently.

Recall the announcers of the Detroit game saying that AP runs a lot better with a lead FB.   Maybe Bears Montgomery would benefit too.

Nail is a big half back - I'm not sure he has the skills or blocking experience of a true FB.  If he's smart he'd work on that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2020, 01:10:49 pm
Found this interesting Dallas:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/24/chicago-bears-interested-defensive-tackle-damon-harrison/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Maybe thats the addition we need to be a legitimate contender
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on September 25, 2020, 01:53:17 pm
If Seattle wants him, he’d be a fool not to go there.

They are a serious SB contender.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2020, 09:29:27 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/25/chicago-bears-cordarrelle-patterson-recruiting-damon-harrison/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Doesnt look like Snacks has made up his mind in advance.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on September 26, 2020, 11:53:35 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hzZUbqLLs
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on September 30, 2020, 07:41:09 pm
Kelly and Kizer are FAs today.  But they probably are not good as Bray so never mind...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 01, 2020, 07:14:42 pm
Kizer certainly isnt
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 01, 2020, 10:39:41 pm
Kelly is better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 01, 2020, 10:51:59 pm
I think Kelly is really good. He must be a complete dick, a clubhouse cancer.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 02, 2020, 04:27:58 pm
Bears expected to sign Lamar Miller to practice squad:

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwRws_wj379Q_nmXSF4AaABCQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 02, 2020, 04:55:07 pm
It's going to be a very difficult game.

A first rate OL and RB against our inability to stop the run.  (at least the plays over our right defensive end.)

A top 3 defense against our struggling offense with Foles only getting this week of practice.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 02, 2020, 05:14:55 pm

Stats can be deceiving.  The Colts have beaten teams with a combined record of 0-7.  And they lost to the Jaguars who only had that game as their only win.  Not that the Bears have had a tough schedule either.

Colts certainly have some talent on both sides and I'd bet the Bears play up to their talent. 

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 03, 2020, 12:49:37 am
Ryan Nall, I hope he gets some playing time just to see if he's any good. These highlights show he's a decent receiver out of the backfield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onPWdt58lvE
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 03, 2020, 01:18:20 am
Ryan Nall, I hope he gets some playing time just to see if he's any good. These highlights show he's a decent receiver out of the backfield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onPWdt58lvE

Saw a couple of his Oregon State games.

He has skills, not sure why he hasn’t been given a chance.

Not having a preseason hurt
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2020, 08:47:57 am
According to those highlights he should be playing every down.  Actually what little I have seen of him as a Bear, he has always done pretty good.  Lets give the kid a chance. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 03, 2020, 11:08:26 am
Remember, this is Nagy we're talking about..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2020, 04:50:35 pm
And the game has been flexed to the 2nd game instad of noon Chicago time
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 03, 2020, 04:50:44 pm
This is weird.  Does this mean Trubisky is getting traded?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/10/03/bears-add-qb-tyler-bray-to-active-roster/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2020, 05:09:13 pm
Maybe an injury we dont know about
.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 03, 2020, 06:36:05 pm

Maybe the Patriots need a backup QB since Cam will be out a game or two.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 03, 2020, 08:04:04 pm
That’s probably all it is...keeping the Pats from claiming him off the taxi squad...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 03, 2020, 08:15:01 pm
That isn't it.  He was already designated their protected player on the practice squad.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 03, 2020, 09:58:09 pm

There is no way Trubisky is demoted to 3rd  string .  Maybe they wanted to protect another 4 without moving them to the roster, which limits the team to 3 moves for each player from PS to active roster. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on October 03, 2020, 10:06:26 pm
I was thinking that as well.  With this being 2020 and the crazy **** going on nothing is out of the question.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 06, 2020, 09:11:09 am
Ouch:

It’s worth noting that most rookie tight ends don’t produce in Year 1, but through their first four career games, both Kmet and Adam Shaheen have the same amount of catches (one). I’m not saying Kmet is Shaheen because it’s far too early to make that type of judgement. What I am saying is that there was plenty of Week 1-ready talent on the board when the team took Kmet and it doesn’t look great to compare even for as early as it still is.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 06, 2020, 10:35:03 am
I've said it before and I'll say it again- whoever  the scout(s) that are doing TE evaluations Pace should've been fired as incompetents years ago. Probably some McCaskey relative or Pace prodigy.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 06, 2020, 10:35:44 am
And then Trey Burton came out and remembered how to play - for the Colts
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 06, 2020, 11:24:30 am
cat is out of the bag

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/05/chicago-bears-quarterback-tyler-bray-promoted-active-roster-for-nick-foles-week-4/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

No biggie
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 06, 2020, 11:27:24 am
Bray and Foles are buds.  I read they walked to practice together every single day.  Whatever. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 06, 2020, 03:08:47 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again- whoever  the scout(s) that are doing TE evaluations Pace should've been fired as incompetents years ago. Probably some McCaskey relative or Pace prodigy.....

Kmet was a good pick unlike Shaheen who didn't have the football experience at a major college level.  Nagy just needs to get him more involved in the offense.  Right now the balls are going to Robinson, Miller, Graham and Mooney.

Bears also need to incorporate Montgomery into the passing game more.

It kills me to see opposing teams TEs and HBs running away from our linebackers.   Why can't we do that?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 06, 2020, 03:15:51 pm
Our RB’s are closely covered by the defense so those swing passes haven’t worked out.

In today’s NFL you have to establish the deep passing threat to have things open underneath.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 06, 2020, 03:58:16 pm

Our entire receiving corps can't all be covered by cornerbacks and safeties.  We need to get the ball downfield to Montgomery and one of our TEs (probably not old man Graham) that is being covered by a linebacker. 

On Montgomery's 4th down pass interference called he was covered by a DB not a linebacker.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 07, 2020, 05:40:29 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zx4_wRUv0
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 07, 2020, 09:03:30 pm
Leno is just a shitshow...week after week...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on October 07, 2020, 09:47:13 pm
LMAO, just 30 seconds in...

Spriggs, Bars, hell even Coward...help!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 08, 2020, 09:07:00 am
Or the two 7th round big guys.  Until Leno is benched, I have zero faith in the Bears or Nagy.  Any bets on how they do tonight against the SECOND ranked D?  My guess is whoever lines up against Leno is already drooling!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 08, 2020, 10:52:37 am
Offense plays like they did last week, this game will be a horrible blowout.......

Defense will lose heart. Maybe someone should tell Nagy "Be You isn't working. How about NOT Be You !"
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 08, 2020, 11:25:07 am
How about be Reid!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 08, 2020, 03:11:48 pm
How about staying away from the hard cider?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 08, 2020, 03:13:24 pm
Tampa Bay - 24

bear          -  13
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 08, 2020, 03:16:44 pm
This is funny but so Bears:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/06/2021-nfl-draft-bears-should-keep-a-close-eye-on-these-five-quarterback-prospects/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline

Pace will probably trade up for the NDS QB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 08, 2020, 03:51:52 pm
Leno....how can they week after week watch this clown and allow him back on the field?? BENCH THE GUY!!!!! FOR ANYONE!!! He is NOT getting the job done, AT ALL!  >:(
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 08, 2020, 04:01:25 pm

Tampa's front 7 appears more stout than the Colts'. 

Bucs have lots of depth at WR, TE and HB despite injuries...and then there's the GOAT.

Only hope is if our pass rushers make life hell for Brady...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 09, 2020, 04:47:06 pm
The Tape Never Lies guy interview, he says some interesting stuff. Thinks Nagy's continuing to start Leno demoralizes the rest of the team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKBZYyx6EU
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2020, 06:01:23 am
Amazing stat.  Now I am on record we are not Super Bowl bound with this coaching staff.


Josh Frydman
@Josh_Frydman
·
Oct 9
Stat ESPN just showed: This is the second year the Bears have come back from 10+ down to win in 3 of their first 5 games to start a season. The other time? 1985.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 10, 2020, 08:25:45 am
His comments the other day after the game give me reasons to be concerned about whether Nagy is ever going to get "it"....

1. He apparently keeps his head too much in his playsheet and not on the field seeing the flow of the game. He wants his team to be "freaking" detailed but isn't it up to to the coaches to ensure that the players do that (and if not bench em ?)- Looking at you Leno......

2. He wants to give the ball more to Patterson. I like the kid. Great returner, good change of pace. But good god man, Montgomery is a much more instinctive, lower of gravity runner that needs to be fed the ball. He seems to get stronger the more he plays. If he can't see that over the brim of his sun visor and play sheet, then he never will and the Bears will never run the ball with consistency.....

If this team comes out flat vs the Panthers, then we know he is the coach that he is......

Bears should by all rights smoke the Panthers, but this team never does that to anyone. They play down (up to) the level of their opponent. They are underachieving IMHO and tha's on COACHING.....

BTW I still think the season will be attenuated. COVID fears and just generic fear. Shame that the country that could decisively help win WW2 and put the man on the moon now cowers in fear of a virus that is (according to CDC death statistics) a very bad flu.......



Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 10, 2020, 01:14:09 pm
Bears had a PS player test positive today...no further details yet...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2020, 03:05:24 pm
If it's going to happen, now is probably the best time outside never or offseason...or perhaps the bye....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 14, 2020, 10:06:19 pm
Mustipher comes up from the PS to take Daniels spot and act as the emergency C.  He was an ok starter at ND, but I never thought he'd have a NFL career.

Bears also worked out three mlbs.  Teo and Buchanan are the two I'd heard of before.  It would be cool to see Teo as a bear, but Buchannon is a better fit imo.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 15, 2020, 06:35:49 am
Well Castillo is self-quarantining this week so there is no"hands on" work with this sub-par Oline from him. To quote pretty much any Star Wars Episode 4-6 character  "I got a bad feeling about this" and poor Nick Foles after he gets planted for the Nth time on the grass. Mitch better be ready (god help us all :D).....

This is a bellweather game for the Bears. They seem underwhelm more often than not in recent years after a big win. A very loseable game for the these Bears, and I think a loss would be worse for their Psyche than the mark in the "L" column....

Change the narrative Bears. Go out and hit on all cylinders for 4 quarters for a change, please. But that may be too much to ask for, so a win will do nicely..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 15, 2020, 07:15:54 am
Ditka once said it is nearly impossible to play well in all 3 phases every week - or something like that...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 15, 2020, 08:21:32 am
I wonder if they are bringing in LBs to replace Trevethan???
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 15, 2020, 10:04:48 am

Who comes in if Roquan or Trevathan gets injured?  Exactly.  That's why they are trying out other ILBs.

As for the Panthers, the game will be all about stopping Bridgewater and the Panthers offense.   Panthers defense is not very good against the run, and they don't have a strong pass rush.  In fact, a couple of their pass rushers are banged up.

Bears got to outscore Bridgewater - he's a very good QB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 15, 2020, 10:06:02 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/14/bears-place-lg-james-daniels-on-ir-promote-ol-sam-mustipher-to-active-roster/

I am surprised at this move. "emergency center?" That doesnt make sense.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 15, 2020, 10:44:53 am

Bears are in trouble if Whitehair gets hurt as Daniels was also his backup.   Bears might stick with Mustipher or go snooping around other team's practice squads.  But they need a backup.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 15, 2020, 11:08:48 am
I thought about that. Good point. However IMHO they still need a vet OG to replace Daniels.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 15, 2020, 11:53:08 am

Maybe.  Why sign/draft young guards if you have no plan to play them?

Bears need to find out what Bars can do.  I think they already may know about Coward and then there's the two rookies, who may not be ready yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 15, 2020, 01:00:35 pm
But the point is they drafted a couple of OLmen and they arent ready for NFL competition. And its been bantered that the window for being superbowl contenders is short so that if you have ambitions of being a

superbowl contender it makes more sense to pick up a veteran OG with some gas still in his tank that might get them to the promised land.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 15, 2020, 02:27:03 pm
Ted Larsen is available.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 15, 2020, 02:31:40 pm
My question would be does Larsen have any gas left in the tank? And NO I doubt he has what it takes. That would approach desperation IMHO
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 15, 2020, 03:04:18 pm
Robert Schmitz bucs game breakdown:
https://youtu.be/LgR2a_gLGQQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on October 15, 2020, 03:10:20 pm
I'm thinking there really aren't many game ready OL FAs.  Training camps were short with less players, so I think it may be a stretch to find a guy who is better than your backups right now.  Big guys with no camp who are sitting at home aren't likely to be in shape right now.  Lamar Miller, a rb, isn't even in shape enough to get off the practice squad almost a month after he signed.  Any external help the bears can find will likely be a PS player from another team or a player who gets cut due to sucking.  Bars or Coward is probably going to be the LG for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 16, 2020, 10:24:17 am
From what I can tell from the oddsmakers, the Bears are the underdogs. That bodes well for a Bear victory. Of course just as soon as they seem to get their legs under them and the fans begin to think "Maybe this team is good enough" the fans tend to pull the rug out from under them and team beclowns itself..... We shall see....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 19, 2020, 09:23:33 pm
Man I’m glad we didn’t sign Andy Dalton
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 20, 2020, 05:48:26 am
Hell a 5 win team can win that Division. Incredible !
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 20, 2020, 11:56:50 am
Jets have any O-Linemen worth a shot - fire sale going on up there apparently
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 20, 2020, 12:22:34 pm
I saw they have a couple, but something tells me the Bear won't be the only ones going for them
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 20, 2020, 03:35:57 pm
So Manti Teo is now a Bear...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 20, 2020, 07:57:01 pm

Jets have any O-Linemen worth a shot - fire sale going on up there apparently

I don't like to give up draft choices but the Bears need to be buyers.  Maybe they can find a LG.  Bars was replaced this weekend with Coward.  Could have been a shoulder issue or they wanted to try someone else.  But Coward struggled against the Panthers.

Panthers were not a good run stopping defense and that was before they lost starting DT Kawann Short before the Bears' game.   Bears still couldn't run.

Putting too much pressure on Foles, as well as Nagy, to come up with plays without a dependable running game.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2020, 07:38:32 am
Hey Dallas, I dont like to give up draft picks for players too. OTOH something needs to be done. And by the way arent you the guy saying Bars needed a shot at LG? How is that experiment going for you?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2020, 07:54:10 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-mailbag-offensive-line-matt-nagy-20201021-zdquavvx7vdqrkpiddnfxjfc3u-story.html

Appears there are other Bears fans clamoring for Pace to make a move.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 21, 2020, 08:25:33 am
I think Bars actually settled down after he got warmed up, after he gave up that sack that is.  Not sure if he is hurt, but man you cant leave Coward in there, Foles is going to get killed.  Put Bars back or try someone, anyone else.  And please do something about Leno.  If you are going to hold Coward accountable for his putrid play, do the same to Leno.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 21, 2020, 09:06:22 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-mailbag-offensive-line-matt-nagy-20201021-zdquavvx7vdqrkpiddnfxjfc3u-story.html

Appears there are other Bears fans clamoring for Pace to make a move.

I liked Bars based on his play at LT during a preseason game last year.  I thought he did quite well even though he wasn't going against front line talent.  He appeared aggressive especially at the 2nd level.

I heard he had a shoulder issue but I don't remember him being on the injury report. 

I'd like to see him get another shot.  And I'm not the only that noticed his talent.  The Patriots put a claim in for him last season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2020, 09:15:27 am
I think we need a LT and a LG.  If Bars is hurt put him on IR. Then you can protect him for next year if they value him. But we cant compete without help.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 21, 2020, 09:21:13 am

Right now I'd say Bears could be drafting Oline with pick #1 and #2, LT and RG.   
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2020, 09:23:38 am
probably
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 21, 2020, 09:25:34 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/20/la-rams-offense-presents-a-problem-for-bears-defense/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 21, 2020, 10:44:17 am
Rams claimed Kai Forbath off our practice squad...I didn't even know we had him there...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 21, 2020, 10:55:54 am

Bears had 9 or 10 TEs last year - this year they decided to collect kickers on the expanded rosters.

I wonder if they just IR Pinero indefinitely - can't replace Cairo now.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on October 21, 2020, 11:38:12 am
Can he play LT?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 21, 2020, 01:46:27 pm
Wonder if T'eo has anything left in the tank. And didn't we draft late round tackles/linemen?? One of them HAS to be better than the slug!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 22, 2020, 09:47:20 am
So have  the Bears signed Spain ? Or are they waiting for another LB to sign on the practice squad ? One that can't tell the difference between real and not real.  Maybe another kicker.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 22, 2020, 11:32:14 am
Had your laugh for the day?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/21/chicago-bears-quarterback-nick-foles-built-for-chicago-tony-dungy/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

So, are the Bears real enough to make an impact in the NFC? Are they title contenders? I think so – if they avoid playing the Seahawks in the playoffs and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. If they can avoid those two teams, they’ll have a heck of a chance to do something special this season.

Lots of luck with that. Dont see that happening.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 22, 2020, 01:10:34 pm

Actually Seahawks strength (offense) matches up with the Bears strength (defense) and their weakness (defense) match up with our weakness (offense).

But their offense as well as KCs is at whole another level...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 22, 2020, 01:16:14 pm
I get it but our defense hasnt gotten back to 2018 level and our offense hasnt either which makes the Seahawk and Chief comment laughable
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 22, 2020, 02:43:30 pm
Kyle long anyone?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 22, 2020, 04:19:39 pm
I get it but our defense hasnt gotten back to 2018 level and our offense hasnt either which makes the Seahawk and Chief comment laughable

Let me spell it out for you:

Seattle offense is #8    Bears defense is #7
Bears offense is # 27   Seattle defense is #32

Now do you understand?  I didn't say the Bears would beat the Seahawks I just said that their strengths play to ours and their weakness matches up to ours.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 22, 2020, 07:09:14 pm
I get it but I still think its funny especially when they didnt just mention the Seachickens they also mentioned the Chiefs in the same breathe. Now your answer doesnt mean as much.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 22, 2020, 08:12:11 pm

I'm not comparing the Bears vs Chiefs I commented on the Bears vs Seahawks.

And your posts still don't mean as much.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2020, 10:18:24 am
I got a gas attack when I read this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/21/new-2021-nfl-mock-draft-sends-bears-wr-qb-in-first-two-rounds/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Maybe this is a Thanksgiving prayer in disguise.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 24, 2020, 10:57:27 am
What ever happened to Riley Ridley? Is he injured???
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 25, 2020, 02:27:04 pm
Was just reading how the Eagles would like to trade Alshon Jeffrey but cannot because he has an ankle and foot injury.  Gotta say Pace got it right when he let him go.  I thought at the time it was bad move but he has been unreliable for the Eagles. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 25, 2020, 07:16:58 pm
Unreliable and a bit of a headcase...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 25, 2020, 07:38:11 pm
He’s a douche. I wouldn’t want him for free.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on October 25, 2020, 09:42:00 pm
Avoid the Seahawks or Chiefs?


The bears have yet to prove they can beat the Packers in their division.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2020, 11:39:15 pm
Neither have the Packers proved they can beat the Bears since they havent played each other this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 26, 2020, 12:23:34 pm
There's a better chance this year for the Bears to beat the Pack, especially if the Bears D keeps getting turnovers, and the kicking situation continues to solidify.  Having a QB that can see the field and recognize changing coverages and efforts to disguise coverages will help, if he is still upright at that point.  I hope Mitch never needs to take another snap for the Bears... but when was the last season the Bears didn't start the backup?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 26, 2020, 01:04:54 pm
Quote
Having a QB that can see the field and recognize changing coverages and efforts to disguise coverages will help

Let's not get carried away.  He is a career backup that isn't much better if any than what he replaced.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 26, 2020, 01:18:11 pm

I am still waiting on Foles to start connecting on some deep balls.  That to me was one of the biggest differences between him and Trubisky.  That, and the pocket presences.  Foles is more aware in the pocket and is less likely to get sacked.

And I respect what A-Rob gives the offense but its time to throw more balls to Mooney.   Let's get Miller back into the offense and keep getting the ball to Montgomery as a receiver.

3M strategy.  And Kmet too.   2 catches is not enough.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 26, 2020, 01:37:08 pm
Let's not get carried away.  He is a career backup that isn't much better if any than what he replaced.

He's not that great, I just think Mitch is horrible.  Some guys evidently "see" the field and some guys don't.  Foles is certainly capable of WTF Cutleresque interceptions
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 26, 2020, 01:42:42 pm
I am still waiting on Foles to start connecting on some deep balls.  That to me was one of the biggest differences between him and Trubisky.  That, and the pocket presences.  Foles is more aware in the pocket and is less likely to get sacked.

And I respect what A-Rob gives the offense but its time to throw more balls to Mooney.   Let's get Miller back into the offense and keep getting the ball to Montgomery as a receiver.

3M strategy.  And Kmet too.   2 catches is not enough.

Usually Foles is getting hit as he throws his deep ball, seems like he throws usually a slightly more catchable ball.    Seems like Mooney is getting plenty of balls...I'm worried they are in the process of giving up on Robinson.  Miller in the doghouse for not getting it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 26, 2020, 04:23:58 pm

I don't think the Bears go deep enough.  Every week I see highlights of teams throwing bombs.  Bears longest pass play is 37 yards and I think that was the catch and run that Allen Robinson broke off and scored on in Atlanta.  Only one other pass play over 30 yards.  Too much pressure on the offense to complete long drives - need more big pass plays.

Foles protection has generally been decent.  He's played in 4 games and has been sacked 4 times.  That's pretty good considering he has no threat of a run game to slow down the rush.  The O-line can't run block out of a paper bag but they are OK pass blocking - of course we'll know more tonight.

They also need to get the ball more to Mooney.  Teams know on 3rd downs the ball is going to Robinson.  I'm suggesting maybe throw more of those balls to Mooney.  He's averaging 3 catches a game....Robinson almost 7.   

And Bears need to figure out a way to get Anthony Miller re-involved.  He's too much of a talent to let him just be a decoy.  Coach him up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 26, 2020, 06:26:22 pm
The Bears haven't gone deep enough since late era Wannie.  They draft offense poorly, never have a quarterback, always trying to play small ball, meanwhile the safeties creep closer and closer to the line of scrimmage.

Foles is standing back there taking hits...he's not skittish.  Not athletic, but is the only Super Bowl MVP in the qb room.

I can't imagine what it is that Pace thought he saw in Mitch, after  one season as a starter in college after not being able to beat out the guy the year before.  We'll HE'LL LEARN ACCURACY.  I think he liked all the yes sir no sir and thought that would equal coachability.  And to TRADE UP for that...

Some GM's would have TRADED DOWN, picked up Mahomes and an additional first rounder, or just have gone with Carr who had started all four years and been a national champion in college.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 26, 2020, 06:53:25 pm
The Bears haven't gone deep enough since late era Wannie.  They draft offense poorly, never have a quarterback, always trying to play small ball, meanwhile the safeties creep closer and closer to the line of scrimmage.

Foles is standing back there taking hits...he's not skittish.  Not athletic, but is the only Super Bowl MVP in the qb room.

I can't imagine what it is that Pace thought he saw in Mitch, after  one season as a starter in college after not being able to beat out the guy the year before.  We'll HE'LL LEARN ACCURACY.  I think he liked all the yes sir no sir and thought that would equal coachability.  And to TRADE UP for that...

Some GM's would have TRADED DOWN, picked up Mahomes and an additional first rounder, or just have gone with Carr who had started all four years and been a national champion in college.

Dang! Pace should have known that Mahomes would have been generational when 98% of the GMs would have chosen Trubisky or Watson.  I would give you Carr had we known he was available for a 2. Sure.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 26, 2020, 07:12:36 pm
Pace has identified two quarterbacks, may their names never be spoken again.  Whatever 98% of the guys would have done...Pace's job is to not be wrong. 

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 26, 2020, 08:11:28 pm
The real problem was Watson was consensus #1 QB coming out.  We got cute and went for Mitch.  Watson is a good QB for a decent team.  Of course any QB with our Oline will not prosper.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 26, 2020, 08:21:13 pm
Watson’s floor seemed to be NFL level franchise QB...therefore Bears all time great...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 26, 2020, 08:35:58 pm
Chad Kelly
Josh Rosen

Anybody, please...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 27, 2020, 06:09:41 am
Makes no difference with no offensive line. True coaching/talent evaluation failure right there.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 27, 2020, 08:01:51 am
The biggest fail on this team presently is not fixing that awful Oline and Speedbump Charlie in particular....it's more than just sacks on Foles, it's constant pressure and much of that coming from Leno's side....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 27, 2020, 12:20:40 pm
Speedbump Charlie on full display, again. ::) This is vs the Panthers. The Rams game should be real interesting to watch..... ::)

https://youtu.be/XpXZ375dMh4
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 27, 2020, 01:14:09 pm
Well the media sure doesnt see what the fans see. The fans see no running game and no protection for the QB and the media sees all the college QBS and WRS available as top draft picks. Fans know you cant run the ball or get passes off without OLmen. Bears Wire has predicted a QB and WR with picks 1 and 2 and not LT.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 27, 2020, 02:06:31 pm
Bears Wire is trash.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 28, 2020, 01:11:56 pm
A Rob not at practice today, and in concussion protocol...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on October 28, 2020, 07:27:54 pm
Pace has identified two quarterbacks, may their names never be spoken again.  Whatever 98% of the guys would have done...Pace's job is to not be wrong. 

Everyone's job is to not be wrong, and everyone is occasionally wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 28, 2020, 07:29:04 pm
occasionally?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on October 28, 2020, 07:51:14 pm
I do feel that 98% percent of all GM's would not give 17 million dollars to Mike Glennon....except that wouldn't be true because Pace is technically a GM, so one divided by thirty-two =3.125% of all NFL-GM's at the time, so 96.9% of the GM's at the time wouldn't do it.  If you looked at ALL NFL GM's past and future, the numbers don't get any better...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on October 29, 2020, 09:12:17 am
Pace=inept. Was he really Payton's personal assistant? The guy has rotortillered through how much money, time, people and signed off the launching of Howard ? Has Spain been  signed yet?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2020, 09:56:12 am
Spain HAS been signed, by Cincy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on October 29, 2020, 11:10:25 am

He must have got a better deal - Bears at least have playoff potential this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 29, 2020, 03:02:38 pm
this week's tape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8qbS1pUy8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 29, 2020, 04:11:47 pm
Its just so painful to see the exact same problems week after week.  And the same dolts making the exact same mistakes.  Please give Bars another chance.  Please bench Demetrius Harris.  Please do something/anything with Massie and Leno.  Please stop using Patterson as a RB. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 29, 2020, 05:02:15 pm
Agree 100%.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on October 29, 2020, 05:49:40 pm
The Panthers knew they would have a big pass rush when we played them so they had a quick passing game.

We should be able to game plan the same.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on October 29, 2020, 05:59:07 pm
I gotta stop watching those...they just **** me off...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 29, 2020, 09:03:06 pm
Please stop using Patterson as a RB. 

Why are they sitting on that RB from Oregon St on the practice squad?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on October 29, 2020, 11:54:53 pm
Not sure why they draft guys and aren't using them. Again, where is Riley Ridley??? Anyone??? Why are they using Kmet very sparingly??
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 30, 2020, 04:36:11 am
interesting thing about this week's "tape never lies" was Phil's pointing out how the Ram's OL worked in unison like a fine tuned machine, everyone executing their assignment - and then comparing it to the Bear's cluster fukk. Quite a stark contrast.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on October 30, 2020, 07:30:42 am
Please stop using Patterson as a RB. 

Why are they sitting on that RB from Oregon St on the practice squad?


Its called the 2020 Nagy Special.  And you can call the OL play the Keystone Kops.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on October 30, 2020, 07:39:05 am
He had Patterson in there on the second fvcking play of the game.

It's a damn shame when your starting RB has more yards running in and out of the huddle then they do up and down the field.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on October 30, 2020, 03:17:49 pm
Probably the major reason why they don't run more is that this Oline can't run block to save their souls.  I think that Montgomery is an excellent running back, but you can't run through holes that aren't there.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 30, 2020, 06:23:56 pm
Sam Mustipher starts at center Sunday.



Why are they playing Cowart. WTF.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 31, 2020, 07:01:49 am
I got a bad feeling the Bears are in for a Trestman-like meltdown if something does not click.. and soon....

Nagy has the locker room- for now. But if the incompetence continues, it won't take long for the knives to come out. It does feel surreal. Kind of like this election season.....

Maybe in celebration of Halloween, the Bears Offense can dress up as an average NFL offense for a change....

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2020, 09:32:01 am
This exposes the problem but is it the right solution?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/30/espn-analyst-proposes-bears-trade-that-makes-sense/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Perhaps, but the whole left side blows.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on October 31, 2020, 11:18:48 am
There certainly are advantages to not watching the NFL.. Well, and MLB for that fact.. The only thing that seems to change is the year on the calendar..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2020, 01:58:56 pm
Yes it does
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on October 31, 2020, 02:44:34 pm
Coward is the Bears’ lowest-graded player on offense, per Pro Football Focus


Nagy needs to be fired for just having him on the team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 01, 2020, 10:24:52 am
Well, wrong forum but I'll play a little. Trump is the man needed at the moment. That's the only way the prosecutions for the deep state will have any chance to occur. And we can still live our lives without increasing nanny-state-ism (although note it is not really going down much but the brakes have been tapped at least). Dementiacrats need to be put into the wilderness for a generation or so when they will be needed to be a real counter-weight (not dead weight they are now)...

And just to redirect to football- anyone else fricken hate late starts ? :)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 01, 2020, 10:47:43 am
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ivanka-trump-breaks-obama-record-on-way-to-35m-plus-fundraising-haul-reports

Anyone that thinks this family will go away quietly has lost their mind...

Sorry not intentional..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on November 01, 2020, 02:51:43 pm
Pace isn’t the only one to blame for the poor personnel on offense.  Nagy and he are “such good partners” or whatever.  They are Nagy’s guys too...presumably he’s on board with spending way more than half on defense
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 02, 2020, 06:56:32 am
Wierd signings like Ginn Jr are a signature hallmark of the Pace era. I'm more firmly convinced than ever that Pace was only a gopher in the Saints organization. I guess if skill and knowledge came from close contact osmosis he would be fine but that ain't how skill and knowledge work.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 02, 2020, 09:44:45 am

Ginn was signed to upgrade speed at WR.  He has not been a full time punt returner...and it showed.  The emergence of Mooney has decreased the need of Ginn on the roster.  Ginn is just an insurance policy for Mooney. 

He had a crucial catch against the Falcons earlier this year and he burned us last year with the Saints. 

If you noticed the Bears rarely incorporate all 3 WRs into a game plan, though they did Sunday.  Not many catches for Wims, Ginn and Patterson..and of course Ridley.  Miller was a no-show in numerous games.

Same is true at TE where Graham gets the majority of targets.  Did you hear Aikman slam Graham for his lackadaisical routes?   That was evident on Trubisky's interception at Atlanta too.   Graham had 7 targets - 2 receptions.  Where's Kmet?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 02, 2020, 10:39:47 am
Refs bailed out Kmet yesterday when he fumbled. Clear fumble too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 02, 2020, 10:56:23 am
Nice that we got to see a highlight of Spriggs standing in place while a DE ran around him.

Last week we got to see the same highlight with Maddie.

Aikman said Montgomery leads the league in broken tackles.


I hope Whithair can come back and play left guard and leave Mustipher at center.  White hair can still make OL calls from the guard position.

Bars must be really bad in practice not to see the field.

I think he could play RT,  at least he can move his feet
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 02, 2020, 10:57:37 am
In the officials defense, and you can see it on replay, the ref did throw the black bean bag to mark forward progress way before he fumbled.  I think the rule is once forward progress is determined the runner is technically down at that point.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 02, 2020, 11:00:38 am
RULE 7 Ball in Play, Dead Ball, Scrimmage

Section 1 Ball in Play

Article 1: Live Ball. After the ball has been declared ready for play, it becomes a live ball when it is legally
snapped or legally kicked (a free kick or fair catch kick). The ball remains dead if it is snapped or kicked
before it is made ready for play.

Section 2 Dead Ball

Article 1: Dead Ball Declared. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended:

     (a) when a runner is contacted by a defensive player and touches the ground with any part of his body
     other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground. A runner
     touching the ground with his hands or feet while in the grasp of an opponent may continue to
     advance; or

     (b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends; or

     (c) when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line
     of scrimmage; or

     (d) when a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead the instant
     the runner touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet; or
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 02, 2020, 11:25:48 am
So it was called a dead ball. Again that definitely benefited the Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 02, 2020, 11:29:45 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/11/2/21545925/bears-javon-wims-suspension-fight-punches-thrown-cj-gardner-johnson-saints-safety-sunday-ejection
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 02, 2020, 12:06:00 pm
So it was called a dead ball. Again that definitely benefited the Bears.

Your point was it was a clear fumble that the Refs changed their minds on and reversed the call to give Kmet a break.

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Refs bailed out Kmet yesterday when he fumbled. Clear fumble too.

In fact it was the correct call from the beginning.  It was never ruled a fumble.  It was never reviewed.  It was a correct call made during the play.  Their was no bail out nor was there a fumble.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 02, 2020, 12:10:32 pm
The dead ball call was the right cal and it did benefit the Bears.  But it was the right call.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on November 02, 2020, 01:24:51 pm
next up the Titans, very no nonsense team with an absolute monster running back. Lost to Cincy, I  hope the Bears change SOMETHING to make it better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 02, 2020, 01:26:05 pm
The Bears defense will be shredded by the Titans run game. Mark this one up as a loss.

It will probably be as ugly a loss as the Rams game.  Maybe worse.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 02, 2020, 03:04:52 pm
Your point was it was a clear fumble that the Refs changed their minds on and reversed the call to give Kmet a break.

In fact it was the correct call from the beginning.  It was never ruled a fumble.  It was never reviewed.  It was a correct call made during the play.  Their was no bail out nor was there a fumble.

They didn't blow the whistle, which means they considered it a fumble until they decided it was progress stopped.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 02, 2020, 03:08:43 pm
It's disturbing how opponents are running right at our RDE play after play with huge success.

Robertson Harris is getting blown off the ball and Urban is only a little better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 02, 2020, 03:11:25 pm
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They didn't blow the whistle, which means they considered it a fumble until they decided it was progress stopped.

Hugh?  The bean bag was tossed to mark the end of the play when forward progress was determined to be stopped by the official.  At that moment the play is dead no matter how long it takes them to get the whistle to their lips and blow it.  The play was already over long before the ball came out.

Blowing the whistle is not what determines the play is over.  That is the alert to the players that the play is over and they should stop whatever it is they are doing.  That is why you play through the whistle.  It is also why officials can let the play continue if they are not sure the play is over or not.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 02, 2020, 03:16:32 pm
Once that bean bag was tossed out to mark forward progress the play was dead whether they blow the whistle or not they could have let that play continue and NO could have picked up the ball and scored with no whistle.  The official who threw the marker would have said no the play was dead long before the runner lost control of the ball.

Forward progress is not a reviewable play either.  They could have reviewed if he lost control before the bean bag but it was obvious that he had not.  It came out well after the marker was tossed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 02, 2020, 03:17:28 pm
Hugh?  The bean bag was tossed to mark the end of the play when forward progress was determined to be stopped by the official.  At that moment the play is dead no matter how long it takes them to get the whistle to their lips and blow it.  The play was already over long before the ball came out.

Blowing the whistle is not what determines the play is over.  That is the alert to the players that the play is over and they should stop whatever it is they are doing.  That is why you play through the whistle.  It is also why officials can let the play continue if they are not sure the play is over or not.

I see what you're saying but I don't really understand fully.  Why is it there are times there is a fumble and the refs disallow it because they say the whistle was blown. 
They change play outcomes because of the whistle yet you say the whistle is not what determines the play is over.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 02, 2020, 03:37:00 pm
2 game suspension for Wims...maybe we'll see Ridley this weekend?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 02, 2020, 06:26:13 pm
No where in the rules will you see that a play is dead because of a whistle. The official blows the whistle after the ball is ruled dead.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 02, 2020, 07:49:38 pm
It's disturbing how opponents are running right at our RDE play after play with huge success.

Robertson Harris is getting blown off the ball and Urban is only a little better.

The are both 3-4 DEs but are now playing quite a bit of 4-3 DT.   Both are a shade under 300 lbs and tall 6-5 and 6-7 - not prototype DT size.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 02, 2020, 08:28:55 pm
They signed that huge guy off Pittsburgh practice squad would like to see him play.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 02, 2020, 09:50:53 pm
I thought the OLine that worked best yesterday was
Leno Bars Mustipher Ifedi Coward
They were still bad.

I was surprised at how well Mustipher played.  I never thought he'd play in the NFL when I watched him at ND.

I think Foles is scared behind this horrible line. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 03, 2020, 09:51:19 am
I think Foles is scared behind this horrible line. 

He absolutely should be.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 03, 2020, 11:23:03 am
Ok Leno next:

The Bears lost right tackle Bobby Massie early in Sunday’s overtime loss to the Saints and it may be a while before he’s able to return to action.

Massie went out after the back of his left leg was rolled up by several players at the end of a David Montgomery run on the Bears’ fourth offensive play of the day. He would not return to action on Sunday.

Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that Massie could miss a month as a result of the knee injury. The Bears have already lost left guard James Daniels for the season and center Cody Whitehair missed the game against the Saints because of a calf injury.

Jason Spriggs replaced Massie and left guard Rashaad Coward moved to the spot for one play when Spriggs left the game. The Bears also have Alex Bars on hand and could add more help before Tuesday afternoon’s trade deadline if they aren’t happy with the in-house options.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 03, 2020, 12:04:03 pm

Pace wanted Spriggs in the second round in 2016.  Packers traded up to the pick right before Chicago's and took him.

Pace actually traded down his 2nd rounder after Spriggs was selected and took Cody Whitehair a few picks later and got a 4th rounder - Deon Bush.

Bears will get a chance to test drive Spriggs for a few weeks before Massie can return from his knee injury.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 03, 2020, 04:51:43 pm
Holy fright Maddie IR and Ifedi and Spriggs on COVID list.

Hope they have 5 linemen Sunday
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 03, 2020, 04:55:29 pm
Ifedi and Spriggs are placed on covid list.  Bearse are really going to need whitehair back next week. 
Leno-whitehair-mustipher-bars-coward

If whitehair can't go then it would be the 7th rounder who's been on the roster.  I hope they bring up that big nasty rugby player.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 03, 2020, 05:05:36 pm

Is that the Yale guy, Dieter Eiselen?

He was not brought up, but Lachavious Simmons was.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 03, 2020, 05:12:33 pm
Hambright? I thought I saw him on the sidelines in uniform Sunday...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 03, 2020, 05:45:00 pm
Is that the Yale guy, Dieter Eiselen?

He was not brought up, but Lachavious Simmons was.
Yeah, Eiselen.  His college clips looked like he played with a nasty streak besides being very strong.  The bears are still going to need to add another lineman or two if whitehair can't go.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 03, 2020, 06:50:19 pm
Now I'm reading that Mustipher got hurt Sunday but stayed in the game.  He might miss a few weeks.

Ohhhh boy. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 03, 2020, 09:14:23 pm

Hambright was called up a couple weeks ago - Simmons was on the PS until today.

I think they both project to guard.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on November 04, 2020, 09:02:58 am
Complete and total Bears type of trainwreck, ignoring the line literally for years and then the not so good linemen getting hurt. A lot of Oh My God how could this happen garbage,
And the Bears with no decent replacements.  Game over, roll credits on another year of stupid planning. Hoping it will be ok is not a plan.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 04, 2020, 02:01:16 pm
Too funny.  If I am Mitch I say my shoulder hurts so I dont have to play another down this year, and am looking forward to a fresh start somewhere else next year.

The Bears put quarterback Mitchell Trubisky on the field for one play on Sunday. Trubisky may be regretting it.

Trubisky suffered a shoulder injury on that play, Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reports. The severity of the injury is still being evaluated.

On his one and only play, Trubisky ran the ball for three yards. He was tackled by Saints linebacker Alex Anzalone.

Trubisky was benched in favor of Nick Foles in Week Three, and the one snap he took Sunday was the first time he’s been on the field since. There’s been some talk that Foles could be benched and Trubisky could go back in, but if Trubisky’s injury proves to be serious, that won’t happen.

Foles and Trubisky are the only quarterbacks on the Bears’ active roster. If Trubisky is inactive this week because of his injury, practice squad quarterback Tyler Bray would be called up as Foles’ backup.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 04, 2020, 02:21:32 pm
Why would he want to play for this franchise anymore?  He was totally blamed for all the offensive woes and come to find out 99.9% of it lies at Matt Nagy's feet.  Nothing has changed with the QB change.  Matt has his hand picked choice there and it's no better. 

I bet Trubisky leaves Chicago and catches on with a coach that knows how to coach and he flourishes.

FWIW can you name these two QB's over the last 14 starts from October 18, 2020?

QB 1                    QB 2
11-3   Record        11-3
3,602  Pass Yards  3,674
31/6   TD/INT       28/6
116.7  Rating        102.3

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 04, 2020, 03:29:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl2vepvMx4E
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 04, 2020, 11:58:56 pm
Why would he want to play for this franchise anymore?  He was totally blamed for all the offensive woes and come to find out 99.9% of it lies at Matt Nagy's feet.  Nothing has changed with the QB change.  Matt has his hand picked choice there and it's no better. 

I bet Trubisky leaves Chicago and catches on with a coach that knows how to coach and he flourishes.

FWIW can you name these two QB's over the last 14 starts from October 18, 2020?

QB 1                    QB 2
11-3   Record        11-3
3,602  Pass Yards  3,674
31/6   TD/INT       28/6
116.7  Rating        102.3

I could see Trubisky going to New England and playing lights out.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 05, 2020, 05:42:26 am
Oh.  I forgot about that post.

QB 2 is Patrick Mahomes.

QB 1 is Ryan Tannehill who was run out of Miami and resurrected under a coach who knows how to coach.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 05, 2020, 03:51:01 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/11/5/21550286/bears-matt-nagy-nick-foles-sack-offensive-line-play-call-titans-saints-mike-vrabel-backup-block-hurt
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 05, 2020, 04:59:11 pm
Schmitz' breakdown of the saints game:

https://youtu.be/t0T8irRIzHM
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 05, 2020, 05:10:38 pm
Biggs is reporting that the bears are bringing back Kush.  He needs to pass a physical and go through covid protocols before joining the team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 05, 2020, 05:45:13 pm
Re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, unfortunately. Would it be so Bear's like to suddenly look BETTER on oline with players NOT the stiffs that were penciled in starters ?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 09, 2020, 09:16:23 pm
Roy Rob Harris done for year.

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxnVO1JFPjyRvuDMRZ4AaABCQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 10, 2020, 10:25:47 am

I've always hoped for big things from Roy but he's just a guy. 

One thing I noticed Sunday was #75 McCullers.  He was stout against the run.  I'd like to see a lot more of him.  Also, #97 Edwards is a bit undersized but is a pass rushing beast.

Now if only Quinn can get it going - he didn't get a lot of pressure against Taylor Lewann's backup, journeyman Ty Sambrailo.

Quinn is looking like a FA bust.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 10, 2020, 11:57:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrLttpU89g
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 11, 2020, 04:42:25 am
I am thinking something is not right with Quinn, like when the Cubs acquired Darvish.  He didn't participate in training camp and was being brought along.  I am hoping this is just a slump season for him so far and he regains what he was in Dallas.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 11, 2020, 05:02:32 am
Not a real Einstein moment here, but I was thinking about Nagy and this offense.  All of last season, the fingers were pointed at Mitch, and his lack of taking this offense from 100 level to 200 level.  Nagy sold us on the progress that was being made in the 2019 training camp, but when Mitch and the offense took the field, the results were not there.  The teacher promised, and did not deliver.  The offense had occasional flashes, but was not consistent.  Mitch's fault, he didn't take a step.  Need to get a QB in here that has experience running this system to show the NFL how this offense should look.  Pace obliged and picked up Foles.  Foles was Nagy's hand picked choice.

But Nagy realizes this is a brotherhood, and he couldn't just plunk Foles in without a training camp battle showing Foles was superior.  Covid hit, no training camp, and the only solution was to keep Mitch in, who had the relationships with the current team mates on offense.  Two wins down, and a winnable game against the Falcons, the offense against started slow, Mitch started slow.  The third quarter pick sealed Mitch's fate, and he was pulled.  In comes Foles, and here comes the offense to unchain the offense.  Foles almost immediately caught fire, threw 3 TDs, and we were off to the races.

Since that game, either Foles or Nagy, have found their level.  That level actually looks lower than 2019.  This is now the albatross around Nagy's neck.  This is his offense, not Mitch's and not Fole's's.  In his offense, you don't run the I formation.  I am creative, and will show the NFL that I have this beautiful mind to design offenses.  When you take away the perfume from 2018, it was a tremendous defensive output and turnovers that put the offense in great position.  Playing with leads, the defense became more aggressive, and also coached under Fangio, was a better unit.  Cody Parkey became the goat, and all of the offensive troubles were masked by turnovers received and that missed kick.

This is Nagy's offense, and we haven't seen any improvement, regardless of who is playing quarterback.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on November 11, 2020, 10:30:37 am
Quinn doesn't have the sack numbers this year, but he's getting home decently enough.
Edwards is having a decent year, but he's depth.

Defense isn't the issue. We need a new OL, a real QB and a new HC and GM.

Until then, it doesn't matter what the defense does.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 11, 2020, 11:32:15 am

Maybe a turnover from the defense would help.

Bears should have Kush this weekend.  Spriggs should be back too.  If Spriggs is back do the Bears put Coward at LG or go with Kush.  Mustipher appears iffy - so maybe Bars gets another week.  That is, unless Whitehair has recovered from the COVID and calf injury.

But what about Montgomery? 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 11, 2020, 11:36:15 am
If my memory is correct isnt Kush capable at center as well as guard?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 11, 2020, 12:11:48 pm
Coward needs to be parking cars.  Period. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 11, 2020, 03:11:31 pm
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But what about Montgomery?

What about him?  You would be as effective back there in this offense.  Nagy doesn't have a running game.  He is and has been irrelevant.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 11, 2020, 03:37:04 pm
He means status as Montgomery went into concussion protocol.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 11, 2020, 04:40:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhNOCVIOESQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 11, 2020, 05:11:53 pm
just watched the tape never lies twice & all I can say is everyone on the OL looks putrid.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 12, 2020, 01:12:09 am
Can Leno get hurt, please?? I am so incredibly sick of seeing this clown every-fricking-game with constant f'ups!! EVERY GAME! MULTIPLE TIMES A GAME!! Can't run block...can't pass block...penalties. He is a solid DETRIMENT to this team. Get him the H off the field!!! >:( >:( >:( 'Replace him with whom?' I can absofrickinlutely guarantee you there's a guy sitting on his butt out there somewhere on a practice squad, at home on his couch, whatever who could replace this guy right now! Leno isn't even playing to a 7th rounders ability at this point!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 12, 2020, 01:37:26 am
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/bears-assistant-accidently-proves-matt-nagy-really-is-the-problem
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 12, 2020, 03:24:11 am
Wrong forum, Peke....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 12, 2020, 12:13:26 pm
Fixed it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 13, 2020, 04:43:24 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inbVF1L8VXM
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 13, 2020, 06:41:03 pm

Not as nearly as excited about this announcement.  If the Bears can get some guys back on the O-line the offense will move the ball. 

As I've said before let's see who's back from injury on the O-line, but I'm not ready to get all giddy like this school girl.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2020, 07:33:13 pm
It's definitely a combo of issues, both the coach and line. Nagy is a bonehead with the play calls and giving them up is a good idea but the line needs much better personnel to move forward and compete. Someone needs to roll up on Leno and get him the H out of there. That would help immensely.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 13, 2020, 07:33:54 pm
Let me see, because of the oline you can't run the ball and your QB sucks...what plays are there for Nagy?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 14, 2020, 06:24:18 am
Figured this would have happened after the bye week (and losing this week). Now its not a sure thing they'll lose this game. Makes things more interesting thats for sure....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 14, 2020, 09:15:02 am
The damning thing about Nagy and his system was what the TE coach said about the fact that they never scheme any play to just get 1 guy open.  They have 4 options per play, and it is up to the QB to decide which one to go to.  Since Mitch isnt a fast processor, that is why he struggled.  Foles doesnt have enough time to get thru all 4 before he is getting hit.  Hey Lazor, how about you design a play that gets Jimmy Graham open in the end zone, that is the key, and just do that?  It will be very interesting to see what happens on Monday night. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 14, 2020, 11:25:07 am
It's almost as if Nagy and Pace don't know how to build an offense. Foles isn't much, but put a decent line in front of him with an adequate run game and would be serviceable. above average O with a top 10 D equals playoffs. It's as if these guys are just throwing sh!t against the wall to see what sticks. Nagy's terrible but Pace isn't any better. I still think Mitch would've been fine with a decent O line and a run game that he could count on. All I have to keep hearing is Leno, and I think, WTF?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 14, 2020, 11:14:35 pm
We have no idea if Nagy is good or bad.  His strength is in the passing offense, but you can not HAVE a passing offense if your running game is non-existent, and the defense can ignore play action passes.

Until they get an Oline that can run block, the offense will suck.

This season is over.  The worst thing that can happen now is to win about half the games, and lose the first playoff game.  We have no legitimate chance to succeed beyond that, and all we do is screw up our draft choices that we need to firm up the Oline.  Time to lose the rest of the games, and start over next year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 14, 2020, 11:38:05 pm
As HC and an offensive guru his job is to make sure the offense works.  Did he tell Pace the O line was good enough?  These are things we don't know.

What we do know is the Nagy/Pace combo is not working and both need to be fired if they can't turn this train wreck around.

I have zero confidence that they can.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 15, 2020, 06:48:38 am
The Oline was hot garbage last week and not sure it will be much better this week.

However if we could somehow win this game, I wonder if this Oline shuffle may not just help us out in long run.

I thought Mustipher played solid at center for his first and only game.  When Whitehair comes back you could bump him to LG.  Keep Ifedi at RG.  When Bobby Massie comes back from a knee he is your RT.  Then make Spriggs your LT.  I think this could be the best Oline of the year and possibly solidify our offense going towards playoff run.

Now granted some of those guys have to recover from injury and you need for them to stay healthy.  A lot of if and or buts.  However could be a blessing in disguise going thru this Oline shuffle.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 15, 2020, 07:42:59 am
Whoever it was who said the OL was "good enough" and that we should draft Kmet with our first draft pick, THAT is the person responsible for this hot mess.  My guess is Nagy, although I am not giving Pace a pass at all.  He could/should have drafted as many big beefy lineman as he could, before the 7th round, knowing full well what crapp he had in Leno and Massie. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 15, 2020, 09:09:10 am
The evolution/devolution/revolution of the Bears Offense begins tomorrow. Which will it be ? Odds are it will be same-ole, same-ole. But that is why we watch the games, or are we just moschists ?:D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 15, 2020, 10:26:43 am
playing Cowart is proof enough that Nagy must go.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on November 16, 2020, 08:55:01 am
Pace and Nagy are both completely worthless if the goal is to win the Super Bowl.  Why do you bring in an “offensive guru “ ::) ::) ::) and build a team to “win” with defense?  In a passing league?  I’m hoping for another housecleaning after this year or we’ll be seeing the same crap next season
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 16, 2020, 10:07:48 am
Whoever it was who said the OL was "good enough" and that we should draft Kmet with our first draft pick, THAT is the person responsible for this hot mess.  My guess is Nagy, although I am not giving Pace a pass at all.  He could/should have drafted as many big beefy lineman as he could, before the 7th round, knowing full well what crapp he had in Leno and Massie.

Our TE production was the worst in the league and many here didn't think Graham had anything left.  Bears thought they could get by with Massie and Leno and added Ifedi and Spriggs.  Contract status may have come into play in not drafting an OT as well as the top ones were gone by our pick in round 2.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 16, 2020, 10:36:05 am
I find no fault in having the defense the Bears have at the moment. Not pairing with a complementary offense, however, is a fire-able offense.....

In the NFL the D has been so emasculated that everyone pays lip service to it, but I think few (especially younger folks) really appreciate it. When it works its magical (and since the NFL is so heavily slanted to offense) and noted, but even the "small plays in between" that the highlights never get to can be quite beautiful.

Its kind of like folks who think Mack is overrated since he hasn't had the eye-popping stats. Anyone who actually watches (and knows football) can see with their naked eye that is not the case. He's not a stat monster but a monster nonetheless. Same applies to Akiem Hicks. And lets not forget the players like Fuller, Danny T, Smith and Jackson......

More the shame and opprobrium on Pace/Nawji for not having at least an  AVERAGE nfl offense to complement that. Shame. Shame. Shame......


Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 16, 2020, 10:51:33 am
Pace and Nagy are both completely worthless if the goal is to win the Super Bowl.  Why do you bring in an “offensive guru “ ::) ::) ::) and build a team to “win” with defense?  In a passing league?  I’m hoping for another housecleaning after this year or we’ll be seeing the same crap next season

Vice versa in Tennessee, where Head Coach Mike Vrabel is a defensive expert, and his defense is last in the league.  Or go back 20 years when the Ravens won the Superbowl with Dilfer at QB, and Brian Billick the offensive genius.  At least Nagy isn't calling the plays, let's see where this goes.  It pained me to hear him talk about how much he loves calling plays.  Like he loves doing it more than his job as head coach.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on November 16, 2020, 11:40:22 am
we'll see if this guy is just Nagy 2.0 in order to keep his job. I ain't holding my breath for stunning turnarounds.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 16, 2020, 11:53:30 am

Maybe one of the Bears problems is the plays...not just the play calling.

Bears offensively seem to ignore the middle of the field especially for easy yardage.  I don't know how many times I see a receiver running inside, having a step on the defender, then slow down and stop and look at the QB.  Its not like they are making a hard stop and curl in....they just kind of stand there like a decoy.

And don't believe the garbage about not having a play setup for a specific player.  Foles nows when the ball is snapped where he's going and most of the time he's going to go there - even if the guy is covered.  It may be because he knows if he looks at a secondary receiver he's going to get clobbered.

I thought one of his advantages over Trubisky was his vision.  I'm not seeing it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 17, 2020, 05:54:50 am
Well, in any sane world (this is not one of those) Nawji would be shown the door (along with the GM) and the whole thing re-evaluated. That toothless offense is an embarassment to the "professional" in professional football nothwithstanding he's a supposedly "offensive" whiz......

Since the Trest-mess "error" I've watched less live games to the end than I have in the previous 20+ years prior. This one was no exception. Turned it off after the 1st "offensive" drive in the 4th. Just knew they were done. Nawji "BE YOU" and just get the **** out of town (take that clown Pace with you).......

This suck-ass year as whole just gets better and better....

So, who's going to inherit this mess for the re-build ? :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 17, 2020, 11:26:09 am
Theo might be available.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 17, 2020, 12:31:11 pm
Just getting a football mind (https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/are-the-chicago-bears-quietly-courting-peyton-manning/) in the big chair instead of an accountant would be an improvement...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 18, 2020, 02:49:31 pm
how could the Bears have no response to the blitz? All game long the blitz went unblocked.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on November 18, 2020, 03:07:52 pm
Bears rank just above the Jets in all offensive catagories.  Only two constants since Ditka era, Virginia and Ted.  Fire Ted.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 18, 2020, 07:34:10 pm
Drivel, dribble, whatever... That's another discrimination. They won't let me play in the NBA, all I want is one season, but I can't drivel.. buncha sad sacks..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 18, 2020, 11:26:51 pm
how could the Bears have no response to the blitz? All game long the blitz went unblocked.

The Bears actually had a somewhat decent o-line combination Monday night with the return of Whitehair.

The Vikings have jack for pass rush.   Bears would go empty and Zimm would send 5 guys, but he'd over load a size and the Bears offensive lineman couldn't figure out how to slide. 

2nd half.  Bears keep a HB and TE to pass block.  Zimm sends 4 and drops 7 to cover 3 Bear receivers.  Nobody open.

Bears have no ability to hit a quick pass or a dump off to counter act blitzes.  I've never seen a half back screen.

Vikings have a bunch of backup corners and they limit  our deep threat Mooney to 2 catches for 3 yards.   

The only positive I saw on offense was the HB Pierce.  He showed some burst.  Of course we won't see him again when Montgomery gets back after the bye.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 19, 2020, 02:23:55 am
I guess the talk the next few months will be whether or not Nagy gets fired or both Nagy and Pace.

Reportedly George McCasky was pretty mad leaving the Titans game.

Local media is somewhat skeptical of changes with the contracts they have.

Allen Robinson has been pretty angry the last few weeks as well.

He may refuse any contracts the Bears would offer at this point.

I still think if Pace had addressed the offensive line they would be scoring 24-27 points a game and no one would care about play calling quarterback and all the other issues.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 19, 2020, 02:46:34 am
The O-line is the problem.  WE ALL KNEW IT!

How the fvck didn't Pace and Nagy?

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 19, 2020, 10:30:13 am

Bears had numerous holes to fill going into 2020.

Replacement for Leonard Floyd.  Replacement for Prince Amukamora.  Replacement for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.   All starters.

Offensively, replacement for Taylor Gabriel.  Replacement for Kyle Long.  Replacement for Trey Burton.  All starters.

Depth issues at QB, ILB, TE, CB, safety, and offensive line.

Pace's existing contracts for Leno and Massie somewhat limited his ability to pursue replacements for those 2 positions. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 19, 2020, 11:14:16 am
The OL has been an ongoing problem since Pace has been with the Bears.  It's nothing new.

Other teams like the Packers, Tampa, Miami Raiders Chiefs have done a pretty good job of rebuilding their lines in about a year.

Other than drafting Daniels, I don't see any good decisions Pace has made for the OL.

Pace is certainly good with defense.  Jaylon Johnson is a rookie of the year candidate.

Urban, Jenkins, McCullers are guys who can play.  He's made plenty of good picks on defense.

I don't scrutinize each of Pace's decisions like a lot of fans.  Every other GM has draft picks and FA signings that didn't work out.

It's just hard to figure how bad this OL is and the only additions were Ifedi who can't play and Spriggs who has to be the most often injured player in the league.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 19, 2020, 11:50:42 am

Pace did draft Whitehair and got a draft pick to boot after a trade down.

Bears have been snakebit at OT for decades:  Marc Columbo, Gabe Carimi, Stan Thomas, Chris Williams

In fact, if you looked at Bears' drafts since the heydey of the 80s, Bears have been horrible finding talent in round 1
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 19, 2020, 04:23:48 pm
As has been hinted about in several of the above posts, Plays or play selection may be good, or may be bad.  We have no idea because the offensive line is so terrible in run blocking that no play or play selection could succeed.  Our offense depends upon play action passes, and no play action pass can succeed if the defense knows that you are totally unable to run the ball.

The best football GM that I have seen in my lifetime was Jim Finks.  His offensive philosophy was quite simple. 

First - build a top notch offensive line.
Second - get a top notch runner.
Third - bring in the best quarterback available.
IN THAT ORDER.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 19, 2020, 04:44:47 pm

That was then, this now:

First - bring in the best quarterback available.
Second - build a top notch offensive line.
Third - get a top notch runner.

If you want to include defensive positions running back drops.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 19, 2020, 07:33:23 pm
Sure, all that.


With limited draft picks and a decrease in the cap....dream on.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2020, 07:29:58 am
Jim McMahon wasn't the best QB at the time. The Bears won with Defense, a great RB and a great OL. That philosophy still wins games today.....we have a manageable QB, a horrid offensive line and really, who knows what we have at RB with this terrible line. The whole thing falls apart with the bad Oline....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on November 20, 2020, 09:22:03 am
How many posts stretching back to the Trib days mention "the bad oline". For God's sake. And once again the Bears sifting through the nfl sewage for something alive to play on the line.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on November 20, 2020, 07:19:52 pm
Quote
.we have a manageable QB

We do?  Who?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 20, 2020, 07:48:59 pm
Jim McMahon wasn't the best QB at the time. The Bears won with Defense, a great RB and a great OL. That philosophy still wins games today.....we have a manageable QB, a horrid offensive line and really, who knows what we have at RB with this terrible line. The whole thing falls apart with the bad Oline....

The '85 era Bears had a once in a lifetime defense, a HOF running back, and an offensive line with pro-bowlers.  McMahon was very good, but he didn't have to be great.

My point is if you can land the elite QB, you get him.  You can put the offensive line together later.   If you could have Mahomes or the 3 top lineman for KC - which would you choose?

I think our O-line will get better from here on out - though not much.  But I really don't have any faith in our plays or play calling.  Defenses are outsmarting the Bears, that was evident Monday night.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 21, 2020, 07:22:15 am
How many times do we see servicable QBs, like Flacco or Dilfer or Foles win the superbowl?  Not always but it does happen.  You need a good D and an OL  that can give the QB time to do what needs to be done. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 21, 2020, 10:24:45 am
A friend posed a good question to me the other day. To whit:

Would you prefer:
A. A team (85 Bears) that is legendary but only wins one championship and will be forever enshrined as one of the best OR
B. A team like the wins championships but is not legendary and will fade from consciousness as time goes by (Patriots)

I kind of had a hard time answering, so I rationalized :D

I'd take "A" if  "B" only won 2-3 championships. Any more and I  think I'd take "B"....

Just a kind of weird thought excersize (and proof of just what kind of "friends" I have- I don't need any more enemies THAT'S for sure....)  :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 21, 2020, 01:39:03 pm
That’s an easy B for me.

Bears really tarnished the legacy by mismanagement after only one championship.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 21, 2020, 03:07:21 pm
Definitely mismanagement.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 22, 2020, 12:27:34 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbcdJqhCs4M
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 22, 2020, 07:55:28 am
Lol, running that wildcat play shows entirely how screwed up this offense is. That was about as bad as it can be done. What a total cluster. No one knows their blocking assignment and it looked like a group of blind men doing who knows what the H out there. Total confusion. Nagy needs to be fired as soon as this season is over. That's the first step in doing anything positive for this team. Pace should be gone as well and the guy who hired both should be shown the door....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 22, 2020, 11:48:11 am
Until something is done with this coaching staff, it won't matter what players you field, this team is a mess.. Glad I'm not wasting my time watching this garbage. Between listening to you guys and watching the tape never lies, that's all I need to know this team is a disgrace..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 22, 2020, 11:49:33 am
Think about it. This coaching staff is who we depended on to coach up Mitch... Little wonder Mitch turned into a not so good QB..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on November 22, 2020, 02:39:08 pm
We can't find one good QB.  The Saints lose Brees and plug in Taysom Hill and don't miss a beat.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2020, 07:11:41 pm
With our OFFENSIVE Line even a HOF QB is subject to get killed
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on November 22, 2020, 07:13:32 pm
We can't find one good QB.  The Saints lose Brees and plug in Taysom Hill and don't miss a beat.

The saints have a good OL
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2020, 07:25:47 pm
Bingo!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on November 22, 2020, 07:46:17 pm
That was then, this now:

First - bring in the best quarterback available.
Second - build a top notch offensive line.
Third - get a top notch runner.

If you want to include defensive positions running back drops.


I don't agree.  In this day and age, it is even more important to establish your offensive line before getting a quarterback.  Back then, you could draft a quarterback, spend 4 years developing him, and still get 6 years or more use out of him.  Today, a quarterback has to be productive immediately, because he will be a free agent in about 6 years if not before.  And if the Oline stinks, he is almost certain to be injured, which reduces the value you get from him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 22, 2020, 09:44:43 pm

I think you have been watching such an inferior offensive line in Chicago so long you don't appreciate what an average offensive line is capable of.

Name me all the pro bowl offensive lineman that Brady had over his career at New England.  Look at Desean Watson.  He's been getting killed by his O-line in Houston, but his QB rating over his first 4 years is over 100.

The NFL is all about he QB - you get a chance at a franchise QB you take him and you can put together an offensive line.  Well, unless of course you're the GM of the Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on November 23, 2020, 05:31:31 am
Russell Wilson had been sacked (https://www.nfl.com/news/rebuilt-offensive-line-looks-to-keep-russell-wilson-upright) more than any other QB since 2012 and led the league in getting sacked last year.  A great QB can overcome a bad OL.  Building a "top-notch" OL is next to impossible nowadays with the salary cap and dilution of talent.  But it would be possible to build an average OL if the GM wasn't so focused on flushing money down the toilet to make up for his fuckups in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 23, 2020, 06:54:19 am
Well if you have a good QB and don't have a good OLine (and a playcaller who can keep the QB out of trouble) then you have Joe Burrow (and a blown ACL). He was hit so much this season......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 23, 2020, 07:35:05 am
Not saying this is true, but what if Mitch IS a decent/good QB and we just dont know because his talent was never developed and he has played behind horrid OL?  Just something to ponder.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 23, 2020, 02:37:03 pm

I'm not saying if you get a  franchise QB that you can just start any fat slobs in your O-line and be set.  I'm saying that if you have a chance at a franchise quality QB that you take him and the O-line build can come later.

You can't have a lineup of Topp's all-stars on your team.  Salary cap, player's length of careers and injuries are a lot of moving parts that can't always be addressed with draft picks and free agent signings.

You can build a winning team with a decent QB and a solid O-line and defense - but if the opportunity comes up get the franchise QB.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 24, 2020, 11:04:59 pm

Every day people are calling for the firing of Pace.  He's had some bad luck particularly in the first round.

But did you know that Leonard Floyd has 7 sacks already this season?   Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn COMBINED only have 7.5.  Quinn has one...on his first play as a Bear.  How the hell does that happen?

And Quinn had 11.5 last year with Dallas.

So maybe Floyd isn't the bust that many thought he was.  And maybe there is something up with the coaching of the Bears' pass rushers.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 25, 2020, 07:22:08 am
This team is full of problems.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 25, 2020, 07:22:25 am
Need to draft players for the scheme or scheme for the players talent.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 27, 2020, 01:00:31 am

Bears reshuffling O-line for Pacers game.  Coward odd man out.  Leno iffy with toe.  Ifedi to RT.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on November 27, 2020, 07:26:37 am
Interesting.  Ifedi was a horrible RT for the Seahawks.  That is why they let him go.  Then again cant be worse than Coward. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on November 27, 2020, 09:18:29 am
Ifedis biggest problem appears to be assignments.  He doesn't know them.  I think it's easier to simplify assignments for a RT then a guard.  IIRC, his penalty issue in Seattle was false starts.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 27, 2020, 10:36:01 am
From what we've seen for the past few years, the NONE of the oline appears to know their assignments (or at least not at the same time. anyway)......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on November 28, 2020, 11:33:08 am
I guess tomorrow night will be the Rodgers love fest (and the Bears sh!t show) on TV..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 28, 2020, 12:18:58 pm

You guess?  Every year it's the same unless a Bear or 6 has their game of the year Sunday night.

Maybe we'll have a Quinn sighting?  Or maybe Jackson or someone in the secondary will have an ....I forgot what you call it when a defensive back catches a pass from the opposing team's QB.

Offensively, establish a running game with the revamped O-line and hope Trubisky has time to find his second read.  Maybe get all the receivers involved - including that rookie TE...from Notre Dame.  Yeah, him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 28, 2020, 04:06:16 pm
Well the 1st of possibly 3 HC/GM firings in the NFC North has begun. Lions with the 1st finish ! (something they have not heard in over 60 years)......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on November 28, 2020, 04:09:47 pm
I wonder what round we could get Matt Corral in?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on November 28, 2020, 07:29:23 pm
That Hall RB from Iowa State looked pretty good too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 30, 2020, 09:30:38 am
Just for shits and giggles I performed a (non-scientific) quick (verbal) poll of my football buddies (some Bear fans, most not) on a word or two what they thought of the Bears last night....

The most common answers were "**** show" and "clusterfuck". I even had one down for "craptastic"......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on November 30, 2020, 02:04:40 pm
And the Bears had two weeks to prepare for a division rival to get back in a playoff race.



Thud
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on November 30, 2020, 02:23:17 pm

Don't be an idiot.  The Bears could have had 2 months to prepare for this game and it wouldn't have changed the outcome. 

There's a significant talent differential between the teams without even having to discuss coaching.

Bears need to get Hicks back, get some sort of cohesiveness with this revamped O-line and get some more snaps for Trubisky and maybe the Bears can make it a closer game next month.  But unless Rodgers gets a season ending injury the result should be similar.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on November 30, 2020, 04:31:34 pm
Tom Brady ALWAYS operated behind a good offensive line. Belichick valued the OL over running backs and even WRs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 30, 2020, 04:50:14 pm
Quote
  The Bears could have had 2 months to prepare for this game and it wouldn't have changed the outcome. 
The issue isn't simply talent deficit. We've seen over multiplied seasons and decades this teams inability to benefit from off weeks-byes. They must go on vacation and do absolutely jack to prepare for the next team during these breaks because they do this constantly.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on November 30, 2020, 04:51:07 pm
Here's a story on the Bears miserable history of trying to find the QB of their dreams.....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29345410/why-chicago-bears-failed-solving-their-eternal-quarterback-quandary
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 01, 2020, 02:00:43 am
Brad Biggs story of 10 thoughts on the Trib, reading it, I had a chuckle. He says in it "But I give Leno credit for gutting it out and playing. The easy thing for him to do — and maybe the smart thing when considering his future –—would have been for him to tell the team he was in too much pain and couldn’t go. That would have kept Leno at whatever percentage from risking some bad tape moving forward."
Risking 'bad tape'?!? LOL! This guy is nothing BUT bad tape!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 01, 2020, 11:02:35 am
At this point, Nagy has lost the team and any confidence he has a clue what he's doing. They should let him go and make Pagano interim coach.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 01, 2020, 11:33:35 am
So I taped the game and was able to fast forward thru it, much less painful.  Funny how Mitch gets his facemask yanked by TWO different Packers on the fumble yet no call, and Nichols pulls up but bumps Rogers and it is roughing the passer.  On a good note it was nice to see Montgomery get some yards, and the OL wasnt horrid, except for the Walrus, Charlie Leno.  Bad toe or whatever, please get him out of there.  Actually I would like to see him stay, and Massie to come back, as I am now hoping for better draft position.  I read somewhere they have a shot at maybe #10 depending on how things turn out.  Nagy must go, and I wouldnt mind seeing Pace gone as well. 

Also without Hicks, Mack is just loafing.  He hasnt done anything in the last THREE games, and I saw him just standing around.  Cant wait to see the Tape Never Lies for this week. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on December 01, 2020, 11:40:24 am
I wondered about Mack, I thought I saw a lot of arm waving. The defense is laying down and why not? effort gets them......nothing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 03, 2020, 03:08:58 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YR4dA6fij8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 03, 2020, 04:11:43 pm
The OL lineup against the Pack looked noticeably better. Only Leno looked like a bum.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 03, 2020, 05:29:22 pm
13.Chicago Bears
Zach Wilson
QB, BYU

45.Chicago Bears
Alex Leatherwood
OT, Alabama

77.Chicago Bears
Christian Barmore
IDL, Alabama

153.Chicago Bears
Josh Ball
OT, Marshall

190.Chicago Bears
Austin Watkins
WR, UAB
 
215.Chicago Bears
Ambry Thomas
CB, Michigan

220.Chicago Bears
Tyreke Smith
EDGE, Ohio State
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 03, 2020, 05:37:20 pm
No Coward.  Ifedi move to RT was OK - he's better than Coward too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 04, 2020, 08:55:41 am
Dave23 was that your mock draft?  I have a feeling Wilson is going to be gone by the time we pick.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 04, 2020, 10:36:27 am
No Coward.  Ifedi move to RT was OK - he's better than Coward too.

anyone would be better than Coward, even Leno.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 04, 2020, 11:22:55 am
Yeah, that’s a mock I did on thedraftnetwork.com...both Lance and Wilson were there at 13. Our pick will probably get better than that by the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 04, 2020, 06:36:17 pm
It was pretty obvious in last weeks game but more proof that the team is unraveling. 

https://ontapsportsnet.com/2020/12/04/anthony-miller-takes-a-shot-at-the-bears-play-calling/

Truthfully I hope Miller goes with Nagy and Pace.  I think he is a selfish player and would deal him in a second if up to me.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 04, 2020, 10:33:17 pm
AM is absolutely right.

He’s also far from selfish. He’s frustrated...as he should be.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 05, 2020, 05:33:45 am
Watching the tape....he selfish.  He gives up on plays when he is not primary target.  He does not block for teammates.  You can believe what you want, but dude not a team player.

Right on criticism of coaching, wrong on his attitude.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 06, 2020, 08:05:34 am
I've got such conflicted feelings about today's game. I can never actively root for a Bear loss but it would probably finally pull the seacocks and let the ship finally sink......

That said, I want the Bears to win. Will they ? Does it matter ? I guess that's why they play the games...... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 06, 2020, 10:35:07 am
Totally agree.  Half of me wants to see them just lay down and roll over, getting Nagy out the door.  Then again a win is always a good thing.  But dont want the draft pick to be any worse than it will be.  I guess it is a win/win either way you look at it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 06, 2020, 11:40:04 am
Pretty bad when there's talk of losing to the hapless Lions.. It's obvious Nagy is in over his head (understatement). It's also obvious that Pace is terrible at drafting. It's a shame that this team will be starting over, once again. Trubisky has had the pleasure of being coached by Fox and Nagy, that would make any player sick..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 06, 2020, 12:32:35 pm
Jason LaCanfora is reporting that the Bears will pursue Northwestern’s coach to replace Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 06, 2020, 01:35:40 pm
I would be fine with that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 06, 2020, 01:59:10 pm
Just get rid of Nagy now and put Pagano in as interim IMO.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 06, 2020, 03:14:27 pm
LOL I don’t want Pagano anywhere near this team
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 06, 2020, 03:16:49 pm
Fitzgerald as our next HC.  I heard somewhere that Jim Harbaugh is thinking of a NFL return.  I wouldnt be too upset with that either.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 06, 2020, 03:17:11 pm
What difference does it make?  They only have one shot to win another game this year and that is against Jacksonville.  That one isn't even a given after this loss.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 06, 2020, 03:17:45 pm
I don't want him as HC next year.  Just want Nagy gone.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 06, 2020, 03:33:19 pm
Let’s focus on a new president and GM first.  Get some good football minds in charge of this sh1t show.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 06, 2020, 03:35:24 pm
Every decision maker from Phillips down needs to go.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 06, 2020, 03:41:49 pm
Exactly.  Virginia and Ed might want to consider a new chairman as well.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2020, 06:16:19 pm
Fitzgerald as our next HC.  I heard somewhere that Jim Harbaugh is thinking of a NFL return.

Fitzgerald or Hairbaugh? Dont want either. No college coaches period. Hairbaugh has been a failure at Michigan anyways. Might as well have a monkey for a head coach
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 06, 2020, 06:19:04 pm
Fitz isn't leaving Northwestern.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 06, 2020, 07:18:15 pm
I'll say this, I hope when Nagy leaves he takes Pagano with him.. Chuck is awful..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 06, 2020, 07:24:35 pm
I'll say this, I hope when Nagy leaves he takes Pagano with him.. Chuck is awful..

Today was his shining moment.

Straight 4 man rush.  No stunts or anything to confuse the blockers.

Few if any blitzes.  Soft zone coverage to prevent the big play........ and they got the big play anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 06, 2020, 11:17:31 pm

Yeah.

You see opposing teams defensive lines overload a side and create pressure.  Or send 6 with 5 blockers.  Bears did occasionally blitz Skrine and Smith but overall Pagano is so vanilla.

Why is Trevathan out there on 3rd and long? 

Why do our DBs consistently play zone?  Are they so bad that they can't play man once in a while?   Maybe we overestimate them and their early success was due to the pass rush which has disappeared the last 6 games or so.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 07, 2020, 07:11:18 am
Teddy "Used Car Salesman" Phillips, George "Mediocre" McCaskey, Ryan "Stop Hitting Yourself" Pace, Matt "Offensive Genius" Nawji and Chuck "Strong" Pagano have to each take a bite of this **** sandwich just like every fan that had the "honor" of watching the game. You just KNEW they were not going to win, even when up by 10 points TWICE.......

On Pace,  I get the drafting of Trubisky, as if you feel he's your guy you get him. Trading up was the killer and at the time I thought this move will either make or break this regime. Well, I underestimated (and may still be) the amount of suffering it would take to clean house.

I really wonder if George McMediocre will make any moves this offseason though. They've got excuses- China virus, injuries, bad luck. To quote from Platoon (or Star Wars if that's more your style) "I got a baaaad feeling about this"........

Still, as long as McMediocre and "Sweaty" Teddy are still calling the shots, it probably will be same ole, same ole.....

Go Bears ! (And take this coaching staph) with you.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on December 07, 2020, 10:34:51 am
If Teddy retires (per rumors of course) then having a "football guy" run the show and hire his new HC/GM would perk my interest a bit...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 07, 2020, 12:01:12 pm
There is no confidence McMediocre will get the best candidate available. He would probably go with another "consultant", btw proving his lack of football acumen, and we'll get another Ryan Pace. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

For the love of GOD I hope they prove me wrong.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 07, 2020, 01:02:42 pm
The Score was discussing does Virginia pull George out and replace him as well? He absolutely should be on the chopping block with everyone below him. Clean it all...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 07, 2020, 01:57:06 pm
They need to hire a legit president of football operations to hire his own GM.

With a few better players on offense and a real coach they’ll be fine.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 07, 2020, 02:08:03 pm
It would take the pressure off Mediocre George and put it on the new guy in charge instead. But there is just no faith that he wouldn't flub that hire as well. Hell, I wouldn't trust him to pour **** out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel  :D

This coaching "staph" does less with more talent than most staffs. Not that they have a cornucopia of talent to work with, but just look at what the 49ers (and it pains me to say that considering what they did to Sayers back in the day and to the 80s Bears) have done with the injuries they've sustained. That's coaching. Not the feel good, "Be You", do what you want to lassez fair Nawji & company.....

It took the LoLions to clean house to just show how the Bears are actually the LoLions..... Then again that may be too harsh. At least the Bears can count their playoff appearances in the last 2 decades on one hand with a little help  unlike the LoLions.....

Like most. sick to death with the utter dreck this team is at the moment. Crappy year just got crappier indeed. Crappy New Year ! :D



Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 07, 2020, 03:04:28 pm
No NFL owner is a “football guy”

Obviously they’re rich guys who made money on real estate tech or something.

They call other team presidents around the league and get recommendations.

There’s no reason George can’t do the same. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on December 07, 2020, 04:41:12 pm
No NFL owner is a “football guy”

Obviously they’re rich guys who made money on real estate tech or something.

They call other team presidents around the league and get recommendations.

There’s no reason George can’t do the same. 

"Other team presidents" are your competitors and have incentive to provide a mix of competent and incompetent personnel in their recommendations.

You have to be smart and savvy enough to make the right choice.  Is there any reason to believe that NumbNuts can manage that?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 07, 2020, 04:42:39 pm
Some are more involved than others (not always a good thing- see Dallas).....

I'm concerned curious George will ask for recommendations and the other billionaire on the line will sell him a bill of goods (e.g. That O'Brien guy who was with the Texans ? I hear he's available) or try to pawn off some person in his organization he wants to "promote out the door". And George will say Okee dokee.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 07, 2020, 06:25:54 pm
"Other team presidents" are your competitors and have incentive to provide a mix of competent and incompetent personnel in their recommendations.

You have to be smart and savvy enough to make the right choice.  Is there any reason to believe that NumbNuts can manage that?

Obviously you’re not going to call the packers and Vikings for recommendation.

The are 16 AFC teams to call.  That’s how other owners do it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 08, 2020, 04:36:53 am
Obviously you’re not going to call the packers and Vikings for recommendation.

The are 16 AFC teams to call.  That’s how other owners do it.

I must be missing something. Are you saying owners of teams are calling other owners for advice on how to run their operation?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 08, 2020, 10:40:44 am
No they consult with the team presidents who run football operations.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 08, 2020, 10:45:46 am
I think they consult execs at other teams to get their input. For instance the Bears might consult KC about things because they are successful and have a Nagy connection. Pace likely still talks to folks at NO even though they play each other. The McKaskeys like have connections all over the league to get feedback and ideas for candidates. It should be pretty obvious to look for coaches from other successful programs and top scouts who have consistently selected top guys out of the college ranks.  My first interview question to a potential GM would be “what are the key elements to building a great team” If building the trenches isn’t one of the top answers, then move on.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 08, 2020, 03:24:38 pm
Today at 4pm CT the SCORE is going to interview Hub Arkush and it sounds like they're going to talk about who does what in the Bears power structure.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 08, 2020, 04:31:55 pm
So Hub said Ted Phillips has not been involved in the football side since Pace was hired, it's all up to George.

Hub is the only media person I know of who actually ever talks to Bears leadership.  He said with Covid he has no access to them so doesn't have a feel for what they'll do.

AS far as the "consultant's" go he said the league provides a lit of what they feel are qualified consultants the owners can hire to help find their next GM.  That's what the Bears did to hire Earnie Acorsi to recommend Pace.

Apparently a lot of executives around the league still feel Nagy will develop into a good coach.  Hub said possibly they'll fire Pace and let the new GM decide on Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 08, 2020, 07:07:59 pm
From Fishbain at the athletic;

On 12 occasions this season (excluding the final two minutes of either half), the Bears have called a timeout on offense. Only twice has the ensuing play been successful.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on December 08, 2020, 07:48:10 pm
Apparently a lot of executives around the league still feel Nagy will develop into a good coach.

The only chance Nagy has to become a good coach is if he starts doing the opposite, Costanza-style.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 08, 2020, 08:25:32 pm

What kind of job could Nagy get if he left the Bears?  He wasn't the main play caller at KC and now not with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 08, 2020, 11:23:04 pm
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Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 09, 2020, 05:08:32 am
I highly disagree with Nagy developing into a good coach.  Highly!

This team has lacked fundamental football skills.  Tackling, blocking, playing till the whistle.  Football 101 stuff.

Then you get into game planning, play calling and half time adjustments (or in Nagy's case no adjustment). 

Strke out, zeroes, nada, zip, zilch....I made my point.

Its very, very clear Fangio carried the coaching staff the first year with the defensive scheme, effort, etc. 

Honestly I was giving Pace and Nagy every chance but the amount of evidence to their incompetence is just too overwhelming to ignore.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 09, 2020, 06:20:12 am
Those "lot of executives around the league" have no vested interest in having the Bears get better. Such a stupid statement. Indeed, its kind of like a lot of non-Lions fans wanting Patricia to stay HC forever......

Those "lot of executives around the league" can have him, lock, stock, and barrel.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 09, 2020, 04:24:15 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpLaX4Ru9Zk
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 09, 2020, 05:33:51 pm
I don’t think it matters to the Bears whether or not Nagy develops into a good coach in the future.  That’s irrelevant.

I’m still pretty sure he’ll be fired.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on December 09, 2020, 05:42:03 pm
Leno is just awful. I’d almost rather see Coward.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 09, 2020, 05:49:41 pm

He had that hold on 2nd and 1 in the 4Q that forced a punt.  Also gave up a sack in the 4Q too that also led to a punt.

Coward is the worst offensive lineman on the team but Nagy had the chance to insert Spriggs at LT when Leno had the bad toe.  Maybe he still does.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 10, 2020, 03:14:21 am
Leno...how the H does this guy still have a JOB!?!? Do they not ever review the fricking game film and see this clown??? And if they do and don't replace him, shame on them for being idiots. Let me be clear here....ANYONE is a upgrade over that bozo! Put in a guy off the fricking street!!!! He can at least get in the way of someone. Sick and tired of seeing every-single-week this guy blow it repeatedly. How he gets paid is beyond me. He is not even college level good! The absolute most pathetic guy on this team....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 11, 2020, 01:38:22 am
great vid - Nagy's gonna Nagy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzP-qZ8PxBQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 11, 2020, 02:04:27 am
this guy's analysis is spot on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhvWhZAS11M&t=271s
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 11, 2020, 02:49:38 am
I agree with the sentiment in the videos.

In Nagy's defense that **** worked a lot in the beginning.  I have seen him adapt and go to a fullback and RB then run it down the defense throat play after play and score a TD.  Last year not this year.  Then he would immediately go away from it.

The system does work.  But it takes a great play caller with the ability to adapt and intelligent players with the ability to adapt with it.  We don't have that.

Nagy and Pace are going to get fired.  Both will have jobs in the NFL if not next year then the year after.  Both will likely need to take a step back before they get the top job again. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 11, 2020, 06:56:47 am
One of the biggest problems is they did not address the very serious problems on the Oline, so every play they run has a good chance of getting stuffed or stopped due to the inability of the line to block properly. Lord help Montgomery behind this line  ::). How the guy gets anything is amazing in itself. Whoever comes in here to deal with this mess must start there first...or at the very least near the top of the list....build those trenches!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 11, 2020, 08:16:34 am
It feels like its all a moot point as long as the current regime is in place.

It would be so McCaskey-like to play it safe. Retire/Fire Teddy, promote some non-entity to replace him as "president", keep the current regime for another year of failure then clean house.

The Bears are already a cash-grab for all the coaches brought in to fix the mess and are a sunk cost with their contracts. That there are so many on this coaching "staph" stealing paychecks is yet another reason (as if its needed) Nawji needs to be punted into the lake along with Pace.

Hate to be so doom and gloom, but this team has not been fun to watch as of late. I just don't see it getting any better anytime soon.........
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 12, 2020, 08:33:01 am
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if everyone keeps their job with the exception of a couple position coaches. Go another year and then fire everyone and once again, start over.. This part of my life has been less stressful.. Fukk the kneeling ba$tards..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 24, 2020, 03:40:19 pm
Reflecting on the year just past and hoping for a better one to come.

Merry Christmas everyone....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 24, 2020, 03:51:29 pm
Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: otto105 on December 24, 2020, 06:21:28 pm
The Packers will win the division in 2021 too.

Happy christmas
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 25, 2020, 07:33:08 am
Merry Christmas!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 25, 2020, 08:52:16 am
Merry Christmas, you filthy animals!!  Gp Bears!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 25, 2020, 06:49:21 pm

On a Zoom call with family from Illinois.  I wore my Bears Santa hat cuz I knew my Packers fan cousin was on the call.

He asked about the Bears and their chances of making the playoffs.  I said if they get in everybody could come back - if they don't they could fire everybody.

He then said he hopes the Bears make the playoffs.  Wow.  Pity.   
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 26, 2020, 07:05:08 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=837kS6sRKns
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 26, 2020, 07:16:25 am
I'd say chances of the Bears making the playoffs are about zip. Don't they need help, besides winning the last two? Of course, do the Pack sit Rogers rather than risk an injury? I can't see the Bears losing to the Jags. Jags have their eye on the number one pick.. So, knowing our luck.. The Bears probably make the playoffs..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 26, 2020, 09:26:35 am
Playoffs ?? We talking about playoffs ?? I just hope we can win a damn game !

One of the best rants ever (along with Denny Green's classic "There are who we thought they were" :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 26, 2020, 12:24:45 pm
Playoffs ?? We talking about playoffs ?? I just hope we can win a damn game !

One of the best rants ever (along with Denny Green's classic "There are who we thought they were" :D

That'll live on for many years to come..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 26, 2020, 12:39:33 pm
Bears have to win the next two and the Cardinals have to drop one of their next two.  They play the Niners and Rams.

If that happens they are in.  I don't see them beating the Packers the way the defense is playing unless Rodgers sits.  The Packers could have everything wrapped up.  So who knows.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 26, 2020, 02:42:17 pm
Nagy should have to win out to keep his job, same with Pace. They lose, bye bye.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 26, 2020, 03:15:59 pm

Sportster

I tend to agree.  Even if they don't make the playoffs if they can beat the Jags and the Pack and finish off with a 4 game winning streak I think everybody comes back.  Not sure about Pagano though.

Bears just need to focus on the Jags and their new starting QB....MIke Glennon.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 26, 2020, 06:18:15 pm
Cardinals about to lose.  They play the Rams next week.

If Bears win tomorrow, they will be 7th seed in playoffs.  If Cardinals lose next week, Bears could still lose to Packers and make playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 26, 2020, 06:22:07 pm
**** Robbie Gould!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 26, 2020, 06:30:52 pm
Bears play at noon next week.  The Cardinals play the afternoon game.

So win two games and they are in.

Or win one of the two and hope the Cardinals lose against the Rams.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 26, 2020, 06:38:17 pm
Now watch the Bears lose to the Glennon led Jaguars one win team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 26, 2020, 07:43:05 pm

NFL network whining about Mitch Trubisky and the Bears..the Bears? now have a chance to knock the Arizona Cardinals and the playoffs....what no Kyler Murray.

What a tragedy that would be.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on December 27, 2020, 09:08:17 am
NFL network whining about Mitch Trubisky and the Bears..the Bears? now have a chance to knock the Arizona Cardinals and the playoffs....what no Kyler Murray.

What a tragedy that would be.
Murray is the new overrated media hyped qb.
Compare 2nd year Mitch stats to Kyler's second year this year. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 27, 2020, 11:19:19 am
Jaguars will attempt to maintain the #1 pick and the Bears will do their damndest to be sure they don't get it......  :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on December 27, 2020, 06:53:08 pm
Few thoughts:

1. A basic requirement of coaching is the ability to evaluate the players, the talent on the team. There was an obvious misevaluation of the talent of the offensive line. Whitehair is better as a guard than center, Ifedi better as a tackle than guard. Cowart was the worst OL I've ever seen. He has no balance, the most important requirement to play OL. Leno is a joke, Massie stinks when healthy. Finally turning to Bars & Mustipher really stabilized the offense. They really need to draft a LT.

Tom Thayer today was talking about the bad blocking schemes the Bears use on running plays. The schemes ask OLmen to do things very few OLmen can do. The TAPE NEVER LIES guy has complained of this for a long time.

Looks like Mooney has passed Miller as the#2 WR.

Giving up a 4th round pick (in addition to picking up his bloated contract) for Foles was a terrible decision by Pace. Never been a fan of Trubisky, but he looks like Joe Montana compared to Foles. The Foles & Quinn contracts may mean no contract for Robinson.

Bears need to find a TRUE FB, Holtz has been really bad this year after playing well last year.


2. I thought the defense looked terrible in the 1st half. I know Johnson and Skrene are injured, but what has happened to the defense? Hicks was a zero today. Hurt or just past it. Quinn covering the TE? No pressure & soft coverage made Mike Glennon look like a competent NFL QB. The DL is no longer a team strength. John Jenkins had more tackles (3)  than anyone on the DL.

Vildor passes my eye test, the TD pass to Chark wasn't his fault. Duke Shelly is lucky to be in the NFL. Eddie Jackson looks unmotivated. Doesn't deserve the huge contract he got.

I don't know why the defense has been in free fall recently.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2020, 07:13:28 pm
Injuries in the secondary and no pass rush.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2020, 09:00:23 pm
Looks like the Packers will have the #1 seed on the line next week.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 28, 2020, 04:57:43 am
Pagano will be coaching for his job next week, imo.  Talk about a grueling interview ahead, Rodgers and the GB offense.  We're going to have to play inspired football on the defensive side to have a chance.  I would be watching a lot of tape of that Bucs Packers game and see how they bottled him up.  We won't shut them down, but we need to slow them down enough to outscore them.  A month ago, I would have never thought that was possible, but this offense is putting points on the board.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 28, 2020, 05:16:10 pm
VERY RARE you see a player talking about another team other than his own.  When does this MF'er become a FA?  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQODEM3ACu0
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 28, 2020, 05:16:57 pm
"DA BEARS.  I **** love the Bears..."
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2020, 05:38:07 pm
We'd love to have him too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 29, 2020, 05:57:05 am
Who did we get in the draft he came out in ? Shaheen maybe ? If Kmet does not work they've got to figure out how to remove the Ditka TE curse the Bears suffer from (apart from the QB curse, that is).....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on December 29, 2020, 08:47:47 am
Yes.  Shaheen.  Had we had the perfect draft that year we could have had Mahomes, Kittle and Kamara.  Revisionist history and a lot of teams could have had that combo but could you imagine?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 29, 2020, 10:51:05 am
Weep

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/28/chicago-bears-head-coach-matt-nagy-future-2021-mitch-trubisky/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2020, 11:56:43 am
Will anyone be surprised that Nagy will return next season? Not me.. I've been watching the Bears for decades, same song different dance. The article mentions one game away from the playoffs. Um, that's one tough fukking game. Like it or not, Green Bay is one of the best teams in the league. Tall order..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 29, 2020, 12:40:25 pm
I could see the Bears lose, and the Cards also lose, and since we "make" the playoffs, everyone gets one more year.  Pace and Nagy need to go.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 29, 2020, 01:17:06 pm
Who did we get in the draft he came out in ? Shaheen maybe ? If Kmet does not work they've got to figure out how to remove the Ditka TE curse the Bears suffer from (apart from the QB curse, that is).....

What TE curse?  Greg Olsen had some good years with the Bears until they didn't want to pay him.  And Martellus Bennett was a stud at TE for a few years too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2020, 03:01:47 pm
Considering that it's been 55 years since Ditka played for the Bears and you've mentioned 6 good years (between them) that we had a productive position at TE. Olsen went down too easy and Bennett was a cry baby. Agree that the Bears fukked up by letting Olsen go, I think we can thank Angelo for that... I'd say that TE is a position that hasn't been all that good for the Bears..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on December 29, 2020, 03:16:15 pm
Olsen didn't fit Martz's scheme of a blocking TE, 3/4 short speedy WR sets, and 7 step drops behind a tissue line. 

Thank goodness the Bears don't have an offensive guru determined to force feed a playbook on a roster incapable of executing it...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on December 29, 2020, 03:43:35 pm
There were 8 TE's drafted before Kittle.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 29, 2020, 04:37:38 pm
Bears are going to lose the game, Cardinals will win theirs, Bears lose out getting to playoffs but now for the real bad news: Nagy and Co will be back for another year. Joy to the World ! George McCaskey McMediocre will strike again !

Seriously, unless this team reverses some bad trends (which to their credit they have mostly for the last few weeks) this franchise seriously **** for years to come....

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2020, 05:57:56 pm
That would be a terrible end to a terrible year. Thanks B4 for the future kick in the teeth. I agree with ya though....they'll lose, Cards will win and Nagy and crap will be back....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2020, 07:12:42 pm
I dunno,, The Rams aren't going to just let zona win.. Bad thing is, you know the Bears (players) are preparing for this game know they're about to get an a$s kicking..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 29, 2020, 07:13:37 pm
And, no home field. Rodgers loves playing in Chicago..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 30, 2020, 12:26:29 am
I agree.  The Packers own Nagy.

The Rams will not have their QB (surgery for his broken thumb on throwing hand) and haven't been playing very well with him.

I have heard Cardinals QB has hamstring issues but my guess is he plays.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 30, 2020, 04:39:17 am
If the Cards have a chance, then we're fukked..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 30, 2020, 04:40:42 am
I see the Bears are 5.5 point dogs..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 30, 2020, 07:16:03 am
The Bears are going to honor Gayle Sayers sunday....

Knowing the Bears history with such things (with one exception where a blocked FG saved the Bears, but that was the oddity) and the way it usually goes, the loss this **** Sundae will be topped off with that- a reminder days past when other than a few players, the Bears were not any good (kind of a back to the future moment, no ?) :D

"Usually when you dedicate a game to another player you win it" - Brians Song

Man, the planets sure are lining up for a legendary game, to be remembered more than the last time the Bears played the Packers in the NFC Championship game....

"I've got a BAD feeling about this......" - Star Wars New Hope
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2020, 09:18:12 am
This is the year of the opposite.  Expect a big win!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 30, 2020, 11:07:31 am

With the Bears I usually just set my expectations low, so I don't get disappointed.

On offense, Packers are loaded at just about every position.  On defense, the Packers are loaded at just about every position.

But you still got to play the game, because as they say any given Sunday...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on December 30, 2020, 12:34:12 pm
Don't expect any help from the Rams.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/30/cooper-kupp-tested-positive-for-covid-19-will-not-play-sunday/

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/30/kyler-murray-practiced-on-wednesday/

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on December 30, 2020, 02:24:17 pm
The Bears really should throw the kitchen sink (https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2020/12/30/chuck-pagano-better-blitz-the-heck-outta-aaron-rodgers-on-sunday/) and play fast and loose like they have nothing to lose...because they really don't IMHO.  I hate hate HATE playing not to lose, playing soft or keeping it close.  And if Mack ever wants to put on that 2018 Game 1 holy sh!t cape on, be my guest.  Entertain and surprise me Chicago Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 30, 2020, 02:38:54 pm
I would be thrilled if Mack, Quinn, Hicks, Jackson and Fuller had baller games.  What is more likely to happen is all of them will loaf and take it easy, Pagano will be soft, and Rogers is going to carve us alive.  Who thinks that Trubisky can keep up and stay even with Rogers?  And how many take aways have we had lately?  Thats right and Rogers doesnt throw many INTs, so if we get in a shoot out we lose easily.  And you know you can count on Mitch to make at least 1 WTF throw, and at the worst moment, if not more.  As painful as a loss will be, if it gets rid of Pace and Nagy, I would be ok with that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 30, 2020, 03:32:16 pm
This game will go as a laugher (not in the Bears favor) or end like Nagy's 1st game vs Greenbay. The planets are lined up in just that way, unfortunately...... :(
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 30, 2020, 06:05:22 pm
I would be thrilled if Mack, Quinn, Hicks, Jackson and Fuller had baller games.  What is more likely to happen is all of them will loaf and take it easy, Pagano will be soft, and Rogers is going to carve us alive.  Who thinks that Trubisky can keep up and stay even with Rogers?  And how many take aways have we had lately?  Thats right and Rogers doesnt throw many INTs, so if we get in a shoot out we lose easily.  And you know you can count on Mitch to make at least 1 WTF throw, and at the worst moment, if not more.  As painful as a loss will be, if it gets rid of Pace and Nagy, I would be ok with that.

Defensively, I'd say Mack, Hicks, Jackson and Fuller have played OK, but certainly could have done better.  Could be injury related for Mack.  Age and injury issues with Hicks.  Fuller it's hard to say.  It's not like he's getting torched often.  But he could do better than 1 pick.  Hard to judge Jackson.  He may be playing OK, but he's just not getting his hands on a lot of balls.  Gibson is meeting expectations.  Jaylon Johnson has exceeded.  So has Bilal Nichols and Roquan Smith.  Trevathan early on did not meet expectations but he's improved his game the last month or so.

Regardless of past performances, Bears will need A games from most of these guys to keep the game in reach.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on December 30, 2020, 09:29:26 pm
What is really crazy about the offense’s recent improvement is they are doing the things we have been asking for basically since Fox left!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2020, 08:40:25 am
Eddie Jackson is missing tackles AND not getting his hands on the ball.  Seems like he got paid and isnt really producing like he did before.  Fuller you can say isnt getting much because they are going to the other side.  As for Trevethan, if I am Rogers, I pick the guy he is covering every single play, as he has lost a step or three, and gets torched repeatedly.  And if Hicks does any loafing this game, it will be a blow out. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 31, 2020, 10:21:10 am
Fuller is really bringing the wood this year.   I think he has been playing lights out and is the true leader of the defense with actions on the field.

Travathen is old, we should have never resigned him.  Kwik and Pierre-Luis both have played better this year when healthy.

Eddie J. has played like hot garbage.  He looks like a guy not really interested, just trying not to get hurt.

Mack is getting double and triple teamed, plus I do believe he has injury.  Hicks has been injured.   Rob was a bust of a FA.

Jaylon J was a pleasant suprise this year.  He was very solid.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on December 31, 2020, 11:22:00 am

I think the lack of a consistent pass rush has hurt our DBs in getting PDs and picks.  I'm not talking sacks, just pressure on the QB.  It's just not there.

I have no explanation for Quinn and Mack. Maybe we expect too much from Mack, but he's not getting double/triple teamed as much as everyone says.  Yeah, it happens a few times a game, but by and large he's either pushing his way to the QB, which takes a long time, or looping around the QB, usually without affecting the QB's release.

Mack is not on the injury report for this first time in months and the right tackle for the Pack is not practicing as of Wednesday. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 31, 2020, 12:02:55 pm
You can have the best group of players in the NFL and still suck as a team. Coaches have to game plan and scheme using the strengths of his players. I have no confidence in Pagano whatsoever.  Let alone they're going up against one of the best QB's in the league. Same players as when Fangio was here.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on December 31, 2020, 12:11:50 pm
I bet if the Broncos don't start out hot next season look for Fangio to be on the hot seat, quick. Elway is not patient..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on December 31, 2020, 06:12:27 pm
the right tackle for the Pack is not practicing as of Wednesday. 

...and Bakhtiari tore his ACL
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2020, 07:18:28 pm
Thats interesting. How would you feel about a Fangio return to Chicago as HC and Nagy canned?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on December 31, 2020, 07:38:20 pm
Fangio is not a HC. He's a excellent DC. He should understand his strengths and weaknesses and stick with his strengths....
And personally I don't like Nagy and his milktoast coaching style. He needs to go....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 01, 2021, 06:24:12 am
"So you saying..... there's a chance ?" .... Lloyd Christmas, Dumb and Dumber

The Backtiari injury makes things more interesting, at least. But damn, during a walk through supposedly. And he signed that huge extension not long ago.......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 01, 2021, 09:29:00 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CnK3WRVIU
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on January 04, 2021, 08:32:19 am
From the Trib (Biggs)

What should not be overlooked is the possibility the Bears could enter the hiring cycle late and still consider a candidate they like quite a bit, especially if that candidate is employed by another playoff team. That’s where the Bears might be able to identify candidates worth a look if they do choose to make a move. Again, I have no idea which direction this is headed, and if the Bears head down to New Orleans and stun a team that was forced to play roster bingo last week because of positive COVID-19 tests and contact tracing, then you would figure everyone is safe for at least another season.  Rumors have circulated in the last week that the Bears could target Kansas City Chiefs director of football operations Mike Borgonzi (https://texansunfiltered.com/articles/houston-texans-potential-gm-candidates-2-mike-borgonzi) (couldn't find much, this link is from a Texans GM search article). This is speculation, but I heard this from two unrelated sources in the last few days, and with the Chiefs earning the No. 1 seed in the AFC playoffs, Borgonzi wouldn’t be available to be hired away until the season is complete for the defending Super Bowl champions.  Does that mean it’s Borgonzi or no one else? Absolutely not. But that’s a name that was churning in the rumor mill the past few days, and a quick hiring cycle this week by teams already looking for new a GM would not remove him from play. Obviously, there are many other people in consideration for GM jobs who are attached to playoff teams, but Borgonzi is the name I heard, and if the Bears would consider hiring a new GM to work with their current coach, he’s someone who could come in and have a preestablished relationship with Nagy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2021, 02:00:56 pm
VJ, I've noticed when you post a link you change it to the subject instead of the link (Mike Borgonzi). How do you do that??
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 05, 2021, 06:46:16 pm
I read that Champ Kelly is being interviewed for the GM job in Denver and Carolina.  If he were to leave, a new clause in the Rooney rule would net the bears 3rd round comp picks in the next two drafts.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 07, 2021, 02:25:47 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuq3ja6iZMs
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 07, 2021, 03:04:32 pm
The biggest reason this team will not progress past this weekend is the Oline. Repeatedly they get beat and they fail to block properly. If they get running yards, it's much more often due to the twisting and juking of Monty making something out of nothing. You RARELY see this line EVER open large enough holes for a back to get through. It's always Monty squeezing through a tiny opening and twisting around to get what he can. They also rarely get to the second level, allowing the backers to just roam around and stuff plays. This has to be a huge priority next season if they ever want to get out of this mediocre middle of the road they're in. It really makes you wonder DO they sit down and actually go through the plays like this tape never lies guy does and see the breakdowns, because if they do..... and personally I'm not sure how they can and each week keep making the same stupid mistakes and missed assignments....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 07, 2021, 03:21:09 pm
The other thing is the defense. Fire Pagano!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2021, 09:16:51 am
Amen
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 08, 2021, 09:43:37 am
For the love of God at least....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 09, 2021, 09:50:01 pm
Went to look at our salary cap and implications of moves for next year.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/chicago-bears/

I let these FA's walk; Trubisky, ODonnell, Burns, Holtz, Pinerio, Nall, Coward, McManus.  I would try to resign the rest if possible.

Based on these numbers, I release Jimmy Graham pre 6/1 to save 7 million.   

I would trade Anthony Miller pre 6/1 for a draft pick (I would take 4th-7th rounder for him), save 1.2m.  Mostly because I think Miller is a bit of a cancer.

I draft LT and release Leno post 6/1 to save 9m.  I also release Bobby Massie post 6/1 and save another 8m.  I also release Wims post 6/1 and save 920k.

I would use the freed up money to franchise tag Robinson while trying to work out long term deal.  One year franchise tag would cost around 18m dollars, which is what you save by releasing Leno/Massie/Wims.

I would draft #1 LT, #2 DT, #3 QB, #5 CB, #6 WR, #6 LB, #7 Punter;  Assume another #6th for Miller would get a TE.

BTW the Graham, Trevahan and Quinn signings are looking really desperate on Ryan Pace's part now.  I think he was trying to swing for fence this year and save his job.  Those deals really **** us next year.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 09, 2021, 10:18:53 pm
Man, wish we had this Heinicke on Washington.
In addition to slinging it he’s quite the scrambler.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 09, 2021, 10:26:02 pm
Also the cap could go down by a ton next year.  However I am hearing they make an exception for the Covid year.

I doubt it goes up like it usually does though.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 10, 2021, 02:31:05 am
Went to look at our salary cap and implications of moves for next year.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/chicago-bears/

I let these FA's walk; Trubisky, ODonnell, Burns, Holtz, Pinerio, Nall, Coward, McManus.  I would try to resign the rest if possible.

Based on these numbers, I release Jimmy Graham pre 6/1 to save 7 million.   

I would trade Anthony Miller pre 6/1 for a draft pick (I would take 4th-7th rounder for him), save 1.2m.  Mostly because I think Miller is a bit of a cancer.

I draft LT and release Leno post 6/1 to save 9m.  I also release Bobby Massie post 6/1 and save another 8m.  I also release Wims post 6/1 and save 920k.

I would use the freed up money to franchise tag Robinson while trying to work out long term deal.  One year franchise tag would cost around 18m dollars, which is what you save by releasing Leno/Massie/Wims.

I would draft #1 LT, #2 DT, #3 QB, #5 CB, #6 WR, #6 LB, #7 Punter;  Assume another #6th for Miller would get a TE.

BTW the Graham, Trevahan and Quinn signings are looking really desperate on Ryan Pace's part now.  I think he was trying to swing for fence this year and save his job.  Those deals really **** us next year.

3rd round QB?  Why bother?

Bears getting Goldman back so maybe get a corner before a DT.   Fuller will need to be upgraded and we need a legit nickel back - Skrine and Shelly aren't it. 

I saw that Cornelius Lucas, last year's rental that backed up Massie, is on the Redskins.  PFF had him rated the 12th best LT in the NFL out of 38.   Kevin Pierre-Louis, also a FA signing of the Redskins was also a top ranked linebacker.   And we know about Leonard Floyd. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 10, 2021, 06:51:04 am
If you let Trubisky walk, Foles your starter.  Can he make it thru season?  Highly unlikely.  Need someone young to give playing time too.

I think its time to blow it up and rebuild.  alla Miami
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 10, 2021, 08:28:20 am
Start with Oline/Dline. Build from that.

Its still a pisser that they signed that stiff Robert Quinn (send him a mask for his theft of all that cash) when they really needed Oline help. Instead, in typical Ryan "Stop Hitting Yourself" Pace fashion, he got a mismatched over-priced piece to replace something that was not that bad (Floyd) and neglected the 2nd most important part of the offense- the line. That noise from Halas Hall is sound of them sucking so bad or Papa Halas spinning around in his grave......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 10, 2021, 10:38:53 am
They have neglected the OL for years.  Ifedi was really the only thing they tried, a first rounder but a bust.  Nobody proven, no draft picks of consequence.  That is criminal, besides the Quinn/Graham/Foles contracts Pace handed out.  Really dont want to see him do another draft, and mortgage the future, especially one he wont be around to see.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 10, 2021, 11:55:26 am
Until O line is fixed, no sense in doing much of anything with QB. Should be able to resign Trubisky fairly cheap. If Mitch wants too much, he can take a hike.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the Bears don't care about winning..

Funny thing, Belichick doesn't look quite like the genius everyone thought without Brady running the offense.. Of course, I don't need to say anymore than Cam Newton. I'm sure he'll be available.. No Thanks!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 10, 2021, 10:12:08 pm

The Saints offensive line has 3 number 1s, 2 number 2s and a 3rd rounder.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 10, 2021, 10:32:25 pm
Yeah they’ve invested a lot but their super bowl year they had a bunch of 4th and 5th rounders on the OL.

One Ryan Pace was director of scouting.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 11, 2021, 05:52:40 am
How can anyone have any faith in this front office the way the Bears have been playing ? Some can point to record (hey, Nagy has a winning record) and some talent (hey, look, Pace got Mooney in the fifth round) but does this team really pass the eye-test ? I mean you can polish a turd, but its still a turd after all.....

George McMediocre, Bears eyes turn to you........
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 11, 2021, 08:12:29 am
This guy speaks the real truth. It's all hot garbage.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/nbcsports/after-bears-loss-to-saints-kaplan-rips-garbage-operation-top-to-freaking-bottom/2413031/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 12, 2021, 02:25:04 am
Doug Peterson has been fired by the Eagles.

I don’t know what happened to them this year but he was sure a good coach before.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 12, 2021, 06:28:05 am
Watching Alabama last night on offense was just another stark realization of how bad this Bears staff is. You see Oline play where everyone knows what the ****  they are doing. You see WR running through routs, not leaving their goddamn feet every time to catch a ball. You see a QB doing the small things that help his team to win (head fakes, read progression, ,decisiveness) instead of looking lost and afraid, and you see a game plan that utilizes their best players in concepts that utilize their talents to the maximum instead of trying to be "cute".

It was just so clear how bad the Bears are at the moment, coaching staff wise........

George McMediocre, our eyes turn to you......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 12, 2021, 07:24:31 am
On Bears Hour Live, Draft Dr Phil was commenting on Furrey the WR coach.  Apparently the WRs all goof off all the time and dont take anything seriously.  That is a reflection of the head coach, Mr Be You.  How undisciplined was Millers punch, when Nagy said they went over that exact thing on Wed?  They even showed video, yet Miller took the bait and threw a punch.  They also said that Harry Heistand wanted to block a different way than Nagy wanted, and that is why he got fired.  Again Heistand created some top notch OL in college, so he probably knows a thing or two, but the smartest coach in the room knows better.  Nagy needs to go, and Pace before him!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on January 12, 2021, 12:33:12 pm
Nagy's whole approach to offense is to have one set with multiple plays that can be called off of it that all look alike.

As part of this approach he wants the O-line blocking to look the same on a running play as a passing play.  I believe that is where our problems come from on run blocking.

The few times last year when they lined up in the "I" the O could suddenly run block.

I don't remember them running out of the "I" at all this year.  The point I am trying to make is we do not have the talent level on the O-line or the passing threat to run that scheme.

A coach should be able to adjust for that.  Nagy simply refuses to do so.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 12, 2021, 03:04:38 pm
Awfully quiet at Hallas Hall.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 12, 2021, 04:01:01 pm
Quiet like a tomb.... :D

Not a good sign. Maybe they are hoping the peasants with the torches and pitchforks outside Halas Hall will just assume no on is there and go home.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 12, 2021, 06:36:02 pm
Pagano announced his retirement.  One gone.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 12, 2021, 06:41:34 pm
Pace and Nagy will be back....

Dan Weiderer
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 12, 2021, 07:18:23 pm
At least Pagano is gone. Now, will anyone decent want to come to Chicago knowing Nagy isn't secure?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 12, 2021, 08:08:16 pm
Alabama is better than the Bears. Heck, they're better than quite a few NFL teams. They have a very good QB, crazy good RB, top wideouts and a Oline that is lightyears better than the Bears. In fact, their LT hasn't given up a sack in forever. He'll go in the top 10....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 12, 2021, 08:15:25 pm

What did they say last night - how many 1st rounders from Alabama?  5 or 6
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 13, 2021, 07:57:32 am
How much to you want to bet they offered Pagano the "opportunity" to retire instead of being fired?  Either way he is gone.  But the problem still remains Pace and Nagy are still here.  And what D Coordinator worth his salt would want to come here knowing Pace and Nagy have 1 year left at best?  Total cluster.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 13, 2021, 09:03:10 am
I think with the talent to work with and the possibility of becoming the HC after one year is all goes will might be attractive to some.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2021, 10:10:49 am
With only 32 jobs of that type available and the prestige associated with such a job, finding someone would not be hard at all.  Finding a COMPETENT someone is another story. Do you really trust the Bears "brain trust" to make the right call, afterall ?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 13, 2021, 10:21:00 am
Give Rex Ryan a call...that would be entertaining!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2021, 10:25:40 am
Reporting that, as expected, George McMediocre is keeping Pace and Nagy. Let's see, they fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season (and no watered down playoffs to get into) but retain this clown car of stiffs ? When they were handing out brains, George obviously was out taking a wizz......

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 13, 2021, 10:42:25 am
Reporting that, as expected, George McMediocre is keeping Pace and Nagy. Let's see, they fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season (and no watered down playoffs to get into) but retain this clown car of stiffs ? When they were handing out brains, George obviously was out taking a wizz......

You forget that it took them 9 years to fire Lovie.  Think about that...

Lovie's coaching record since then...  25-63
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2021, 10:49:31 am
Does anyone believe the current brain trust would choose the right GM much less HC ? Looing at the bright side of this, maybe another year of this mess will be enough and the front office enema can begin. Then again, that is the Bears way (at least since I've been watching back in the 70s)- once a generation good team then dreck in between. Should be fixed by maybe 2030 or so......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 13, 2021, 11:00:34 am
Listening to nagy and pace, it sounds like they are planning on foles being the starter to open the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2021, 11:01:25 am
I hear the word "accountable" came up a few times during the conference. They kept using that word, but I don't think they know what it means.......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on January 13, 2021, 11:08:27 am
Soooooo........ I'm looking at Foles at qb, Pace and Nagy back again. wasn't that group, giving out 0 and fives ? Pass
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2021, 11:13:07 am
Pace and Nagy will go all in this year and do short-sighted things to try to save their jobs, in the process further augering the Bears into a deeper hole for the next GM/HC combo in 2022 to dig them out of. Surprised Papa Bear doesn’t come back from the dead and attack McMediocre yelling “Brains ! Brains ! My grandchildren have no BRAAAINS !”
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 13, 2021, 11:15:33 am
Um George were you impressed with that SIX GAME LOSING STREAK???  I sure wasnt.  And Pace went all in THIS year, see Jimmy Graham, Nick Foles and Robert Quinn.  Can you imagine what that diick wad will do to try and go all in with Nagy next year?  I shudder to think of it.

The Bears will not be making any changes at the top.

Bears General Manager Ryan Pace and head coach Matt Nagy will both be back for the 2021 season, Bears Chairman George McCaskey confirmed today. McCaskey said he was impressed with Pace and Nagy’s work during the 2020 season.

McCaskey also expressed faith in Bears President Ted Phillips. In turn, Phillips acknowledged that many Bears fans want to see major changes within the franchise, but everyone in the organization’s front office is committed to making it work with the current power structure.

The Bears did reveal that neither Nagy nor Pace has received a contract extension. So there’s no doubt that both of their jobs are on the line this year.

The Bears are standing by Pace and Nagy because they’ve made the playoffs two of the last three years, but the Bears still haven’t won a playoff game since the 2010 season, and they head into this offseason with several major questions, the biggest of which is who their starting quarterback will be in 2021.

Those questions need to be answered, but today Bears fans found out only that the team is staying the course.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 13, 2021, 11:52:50 am
well, ****...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2021, 12:19:06 pm
Denver hired a new GM.

Might he want a different coach than Fangio?

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2021, 12:29:45 pm
So basically there's no hope again for next season....that's nice.... ::)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2021, 12:36:42 pm
I’ll bet they hire one of the current assistant coaches.

Next year same cast with a tougher schedule.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 13, 2021, 12:44:42 pm
Yay. Another season of dropsy, leave your feet and punching receivers. Yay. Another season of Nagy clueless play-calling and clock management. I mean really, what did we all expect anyway ? The meltdown should be EPIC next year. But more scary, the same clueless dolt (George) will be on the line again picking the next clown-car group of incompetents. Sheesh.....

Next year's "mission statement" should be "DON'T BE YOU" for God's sake.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 13, 2021, 12:55:48 pm
It'll never happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing Shane Steichen brought in to work with whatever development QB we draft/sign.
His work with Herbert looks pretty good...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 13, 2021, 01:14:17 pm
Quote
Next year same cast with a tougher schedule.

How is it a tougher schedule?  You never know.  The Bears finished behind the Peckers last year yet the Bears played a tougher schedule than the Peckers this year.  Schedules are determined already but you never know how tough one is until you play it.

For instance the Peckers ONLY played 4 games this year against teams with winning records.  They were 2-2 in those 4 games.

The Bears played 7 games against teams with winning records.  They were 1-6.

Would you have said at the end of last year the Bears would play a "tougher" schedule then the Peckers this year?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2021, 01:30:10 pm
Bears played the 13th toughest schedule last year and 3rd this year.  6 of their 8 road games will be against playoff teams.
I’m not going to try to analyze it after each season is played, just a comment as to where it stands now.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 13, 2021, 01:36:42 pm

I  always say that next year's schedule based on last year's opponents performance isn't usually relevant.   What really matters is whether the Bears are an improved team.

Having said that, and looking at next year's schedule...I thought....DAMN that's a F'ing touch a$$ schedule!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2021, 02:19:54 pm
If you look at last week’s game as a microcosm of the season, the Bears were 7-3 with the Saints for 40 minutes.

With a better OL and even marginally better quarterback play that gap can be closed.

Picking up a veteran wide receiver to move the chains would help.

I would like a new DC who can turn around Eddie Jackson the way Fangio saved Fuller’s career.

I also still believe they have to run more blitzes and schemes to free up the double teaming of Mack and Hicks.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 14, 2021, 04:58:13 pm

Wonder if the new DC will run a 3-4?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 15, 2021, 02:15:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXn5nve3K60
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 15, 2021, 06:41:43 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXn5nve3K60
Wow our oline play was horrible again.
I agree with Phil that mustipher and bars are not starter material.  I think bars can be a decent back up, but mustipher doesn't look like he belongs physically. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 16, 2021, 01:59:43 am
Thought he was a bit harsh on Bars, but Mustipher really looked bad.

I'd draft a true center in a late round.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 16, 2021, 03:15:02 am
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30718988/chicago-bears-de-mario-edwards-jr-suspended-first-2-games-2021-season
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 16, 2021, 06:10:22 am
"We like the culture of the team !"- George McMediocre
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2021, 09:00:47 am
Is there anyone on that offensive line that is good enough to keep?? Ya gotta wonder....burn it all down and start over....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 16, 2021, 10:03:53 am
Ragone is leaving to be offensive coordinator in Atlanta.  Rumor is that RB coach London is going with.  WR coach furrey is rumored to be on his way out too.

I can definitely say I want furrey gone.  Our WRs are so lazy on the field.  I have yet to see any of them improve. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 16, 2021, 10:07:19 am
Anyone who leaves on the O coaching staff is not going to be a bad thing.  I think maybe Mustipher might be ok, if he really gets stronger this offseason.  Daniels did over the past off season and was playing well before he got hurt.  But no matter what we must get rid of Leno and Massie!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2021, 10:09:05 am
The question is, with the state of the Oline being so bad, do they get rid of the Oline coach?? They have shown no improvement and are playing half hearted out there, making the same mistakes from day one of this season. But then, who do you bring in to improve this mess??
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 16, 2021, 10:26:11 am
The Bears are unfortunately re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. George watches the whole ship of fools sink while the band plays on......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 16, 2021, 01:27:50 pm
The problem with the Oline is Nagy.  He wants the blocking done HIS way, which isnt what works with the personnel.  Like I said Harry Hiestand was a renowned Oline coach in college, turning out quality players, yet he failed miserably here.  And Castillo has the reputation as an excellent Oline coach, yet they underperformed.  What is the common denominator?  Nagy!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 16, 2021, 06:08:16 pm
I'm hoping the new defensive coordinator runs a 4-3.  Mack and Quinn in coverage is a waste of money (Quinn seems like a waste regardless).  Hicks, Nichols and Goldman are the start of a good DT rotation.  Roquan would be a good fit as a 4-3 mlb, trevathon should probably be a SLB now anyway. 
The main problem would be that the Bears would need to get another olb and replace a lot of the depth.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 17, 2021, 06:28:44 am
On top of all the other problems at talent this team needs to fix, it probably would not be a good idea to go switching defensive schemes as well (it took about 2-3 seasons for the 3-4 to take hold during the Fox era). But then again, knowing this coaching staff, they'll take some player out of position and force him into another.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 17, 2021, 11:21:38 am
One of the images that stuck with me from the Packers game was when Floyd got juked out of his jockstrap on the Rodgers TD run. Ah... the memories from when he was a bear....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 17, 2021, 01:52:04 pm
Two images stuck with me...

1) the long TD pass to Lazard...Foles maybe connects on that play, but there’s no way Mitch does. Chances are he would have already checked down. Rodgers threw that ball before Lazard made his last cut.

2) think it was a 3rd down pass to Tonyan, late in the 4th...Rodgers eyes were downfield when he threw the ball out in the flat to the TE. To be clear...he wasn’t even looking at his damn receiver. His eyes were somewhere else. I’m not sure what other QB can do that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on January 17, 2021, 05:43:49 pm
You are NOT going to win in this league with defense.  You don’t trade two first round picks for 10 sacks a year.  You need crisp offense, and for that you need quality OL and a franchise QB, which you never have, ever...because you’re the Bears.  It’s getting harder to care as the years go on
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 18, 2021, 06:35:25 am
Josh Allen does this look off well (as does Mahomes). Its what a good coached, skilled QB can (and should do). Not that the Bears will ever see that from these coaches and QBs.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 18, 2021, 09:07:39 am
Keep hearing Deshaun Watsons name brought up as trade bait. I'm not sure he'd be the guy who could get the Bears to the championship. Heck, I'm not sure who's out there that could do that. We could win some games with him but the teams that keep getting there consistently are the ones with HOF type QB's onboard. Very hard to find....

And noticed that Clevelands second and third string LTs are better than our starting LT.....just shows how inept this team is at finding and utilizing talent....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 18, 2021, 10:19:15 am
The thing about finding the franchise QB which gets overlooked, is it allows you to look at all other positions in the draft and FA.  Once you have your guy, you can fill out the rest of your lineup.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 18, 2021, 11:39:28 am

The deal about a franchise QB is he makes the players around him look better.  Even the defense.

So a team is not constantly over spending and over drafting to find players to help their QB.  How many high draft choices or expensive FAs on the Packers offense?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 18, 2021, 12:01:18 pm
So then the question would be, is it worth giving up a bunch of picks to get 'the guy'? To try to figure this out, lets look at the last fifteen years of Super Bowl winning QBs:
(current or future HOFers in bold...)

2019  KC with Mahomes
2019  NEP with Brady
2018  PE with Foles
2017  NEP with Brady
2016  DB with Manning
2015  NEP with Brady
2014  SS with Wilson (HOF or close?)
2013  BR with Flacco
2012  NYG with Manning (HOF or??)
2011  GBP with Rodgers
2010  NOS with Brees
2009  PS with Roethlisberger
2008  NYG with Manning
2007  IC with Manning
2006  PS with Roethlisberger
2005  NEP with Brady
2004  Brady again

This is pretty telling.....QB is the most important factor in getting a team to the Championship. It's not impossible, but it's not real common otherwise....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 18, 2021, 01:02:38 pm
Any news or rumor on the DC hire?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 18, 2021, 01:55:40 pm
LAKE FOREST, Ill., — The Chicago Bears appear to have begun the process of finding their next defensive coordinator with interviews this week. According to a report from Kevin Fishbain of The Athletic, the Bears have reached out to the Indianapolis Colts to request an interview with defensive backs coach Jonathan Gannon.

The request comes just a week after Chuck Pagano announced he was retiring from the NFL after spending the past two seasons as defensive coordinator for the Bears.

Gannon has 14 years of coaching experience, with 10 of those in the NFL. He got his start in 2007 with the Atlanta Falcons as a defensive assistant coach and quality control coach before moving on as a scout with the St. Louis Rams from 2009-11. In 2012 he joined the Tennessee Titans as a defensive assistant and then spent four seasons as assistant defensive backs coach for the Minnesota Vikings from 2014-17.

MORE >>>>> EARLY CANDIDATES FOR BEARS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR JOB

Most recently, Gannon has been the defensive backs coach for the Indianapolis Colts, joining the franchise in 2018 under Frank Reich's staff. After finishing dead last in a lot of defensive categories in 2017, Gannon was a part of the staff that helped turn things around in 2018, becoming a Top 10 defense. With the help of Gannon, the Colts were sixth-best in terms of passing yards allowed this season, doing it with a young secondary and a veteran in Xavier Rhodes.

The Bears are also considering a few in-house candidates including Jay Rodgers and Sean Desai but with Brandon Staley reportedly interested in bringing Rodgers to Los Angeles as his defensive coordinator, it should urge Chicago to move fast in this process.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2021, 03:58:10 pm
Well here is some more fuel for Sportster's firestorm:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/odds-bears-trading-deshaun-watson-191104632.html

It seems the fire is real for the Texans as well as Watson. The problem I have with any of this talk is the pricetag after we got him. His cap numbers make a deal very prohibitive. On the other side it didnt make Foles

untradeable. I sure doubt I would do a trade if it were me.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 18, 2021, 04:46:52 pm
Foles was untradeable ... except to the laughingstock GM of the Bears.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 18, 2021, 05:09:08 pm

How does trading Watson to Chicago get the Texans a starting QB next year?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 18, 2021, 05:23:53 pm
Deshaun Watson has already proven in his four years that he has HOF level talent.  The Texans are going to get a huge return if they choose to trade him.  The bears have very little to offer.  I think Pace is going to be looking at Fitzpatrick and Winston level players.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 18, 2021, 05:36:45 pm
Trading with the Jets or Jags would get them Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 18, 2021, 05:59:07 pm
LOL!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 18, 2021, 06:08:07 pm
LOL!!!!

So funny? 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 18, 2021, 08:40:50 pm
Went back to look at boards with all this Watson trade talk. 

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Deshawn Watson looks like the real deal to me.  He is a winner.  He almost beat Alabama in last years title game.  I believe he might beat them this year.  Nick Saban says he is the most special player since Cam Newton in SEC.  I think he will be 1 or 2 this draft but if somehow he is there at 3 and the Bears pass I think it will haunt us for a decade.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 19, 2021, 06:21:19 am
Pace is probably going to sign Cam Newton and think he's done a good thing......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 19, 2021, 10:24:28 am
We don't have the assets to trade for Watson ourselves. Any deal that netted us Watson would likely be a 3-team deal.

Houston: Wentz, Chicago 1st round pick 2021, Chicago 1st round pick 2022
Chicago: Watson
Philly: Chicago 3rd round pick 2021, Chicago 4th round pick 2022.


This is just a rough sketch of what something like that might look like. The point being that Houston has no use for Nick Foles.
If they're trading Watson they need a replacement with potential/pedigree coming back.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2021, 10:35:24 am
That idea is crazy. Can I veto it?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 19, 2021, 10:59:11 am
You won't have to. It isn't happening.

I think the most likely scenario is that we deal with whoever doesn't get Watson.
i.e. - If Dolphins trade Tua in deal for Watson, we're dealing with Jets for Darnold.
I don't believe for one second Jets are keeping Darnold when they can get Fields at #2.
I also feel like Jets could use Foles as a bridge to Fields, so there is potential to include Foles in the deal.
Then we could draft a development QB like Mond, Book, etc in later rounds as a backup/#3.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2021, 11:03:27 am
What's sad is nowhere does this give the Bears the QB they sorely need. Expect more of the same mediocrity for years to come.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2021, 11:10:53 am
I agree with that. Darnold is a bust. Of course we need another bust dont we?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2021, 11:30:18 am
I would keep weighing my options at QB, but I expend my energy on the rest of the team. Unless they plan on prying Aaron Rodgers away from Green Bay, I don't see QB making or breaking this team. I head into next season with Mitch and Foles. Bolster the run game/ fix the line. We need to do something about pass rush, the lack of. Work on those two areas for next season. No way they transform this whole team in one season. Of course our other big problem is Nagy...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 19, 2021, 12:29:26 pm
I just dont see Darnold being able to run what Nagy wants.  And Mitch and Nagy are like oil and water, one of the two wont be back next year.  As far as 3rd string backup QB, are you kidding me, we already have the best in Tyler Bray!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 19, 2021, 03:26:51 pm
No way Mitch is back. Between Mitch mentioning culture change needed and Pace and Nagy blaming everything on QB play, that ship has sailed.
Pace and Nagy have 1 year to show progress. Another year of blaming Mitch isn't it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 19, 2021, 03:43:00 pm

Could Grappolo be available?  How about a trade up to top 10 and draft a QB?  May be cheaper than a Watson trade.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 19, 2021, 03:58:47 pm
I wouldn't trust this clown show of a regime to be able to pour **** out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2021, 04:22:16 pm
Could Grappolo be available?  How about a trade up to top 10 and draft a QB?  May be cheaper than a Watson trade.

Is Garappolo available? Very likely and Pace loves him. But I am concerned about is that New England might just outbid us wanting Garappolo back.  Would I do a trade up to 10? Yes provided who I valued was there. And

it could be cheaper than Watson both ways, salary and cap. There are going to be teams at #10 or there abouts who want a QB too and not willing to deal. Have you thought about that possibility? Or did you just throw

out the number as a talking point?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 19, 2021, 04:49:15 pm
So what are the odds of a first round QB succeeding 1 in 4?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 19, 2021, 05:07:35 pm
I can understand not wanting to pay the price it would take to get Deshaun Watson here.

I cannot understand anyone thinking he's not a great NFL QB. The numbers are there.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2021, 07:44:57 pm
I would be more concerned about the price. The player? I'd say yes.. The price? Not just yet.. Is he good enough to make the rest of the team better?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 20, 2021, 12:27:30 am
Could Grappolo be available?  How about a trade up to top 10 and draft a QB?  May be cheaper than a Watson trade.

Is Garappolo available? Very likely and Pace loves him. But I am concerned about is that New England might just outbid us wanting Garappolo back.  Would I do a trade up to 10? Yes provided who I valued was there. And

it could be cheaper than Watson both ways, salary and cap. There are going to be teams at #10 or there abouts who want a QB too and not willing to deal. Have you thought about that possibility? Or did you just throw

out the number as a talking point?

Bengals pick at 5 - maybe Wilson falls to 5.

Picks in the low teens might get youl a shot at Trey Lance.

Yeah, lots of teams need QBs but the Jets, Dolphins and Bengals may not be drafting a QB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 20, 2021, 06:36:45 am
A rookie QB is a total craap shoot.  And Nagy and Pace need something sure fire to save their hides.  I would move up and try and draft Wilson, but then that would just be two QBs that Nagy has ruined. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2021, 06:48:53 am
Bengals are most assuredly not drafting a QB. The Dolphins aren't either, unless it's a guy Houston wants for Watson.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 20, 2021, 08:57:14 am
Atlanta is likely taking Wilson at #4.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2021, 09:35:16 am
Three issues could improve this team a lot next season if they can get it figured out......improve the Oline and specifically LT....get a very good QB which is the hardest task as 30+ years of searching has shown.....and keeping ARob. Think doing those three things could get us to 10 wins....improve the pass rush and we could get more.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 20, 2021, 10:17:43 am

And add a nickel back too.  Not sure about Shelley yet.  Got to replace Skrine.  He's aggressive and a good tackler, but before his concussion he was getting exposed week after week. 

Massie is gone.  And Ifedi is again a FA as is Spriggs.  Need to address RT.  Not sure if Bars is the guy.  Last year he filled in at center, guard and tackle.  I don't recall any Bears in the past that could do that.  Bars may get a shot but they'll be again looking at FAs and mid to late round draft picks to address RT.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on January 20, 2021, 10:42:23 am
This is the year to move to 3... for zach wilson. Argh, watch him magically fall to the packers.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2021, 11:27:54 am
Shelley and Skrine are both easily replaceable.

If we are going to wait that late to address RT, we may as well see what Arlington Hambright and Lachavious Simmons can do. Either option is probably meh.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 20, 2021, 11:38:43 am
If anyone thinks that Nagy and Pace are gone next year even with a .500 record again you were not listening to the press conference.  Nagy and Pace are their guys.  They are in it for the long haul.  Not just 3 or 4 years.  They are giving them time to develop the team.  They are young.  They will grow.  George McCaskey has to stick by his people.  They have a plan for improvement.  It might not come this year, next year or the year after but it will come.

That is what I heard anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 20, 2021, 11:48:59 am
Shelley and Skrine are both easily replaceable.

If we are going to wait that late to address RT, we may as well see what Arlington Hambright and Lachavious Simmons can do. Either option is probably meh.

Shelley and Skrine are but Callahan wasn't.

Hambright and Simmons were designated at guard position even though they may have played tackle in college.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2021, 12:08:16 pm
If I knew that, I must have forgotten...if that's the case, then they are both dead weight...

We have enough picks and there is enough depth in this draft for us to come away with 2 pretty decent OLmen...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2021, 03:24:14 pm
And where does the board brain trust believe Trask is going to land? I saw Wilson once. He didnt impress me bc he got beat
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 21, 2021, 08:32:15 am
One of the best defensive players in the history of the Chicago Bears is a candidate to be their defensive coordinator.

Hall of Fame linebacker Mike Singletary was interviewed for the Bears’ defensive coordinator vacancy, according to TheAthletic.com.

The Bears need a new defensive coordinator after Chuck Pagano retired, but Singletary is a surprising name to see surface. The 62-year-old Singletary has never been an NFL defensive coordinator, and he hasn’t been on an NFL staff since he worked for the Rams in 2016.

He was head coach of the Memphis Express of the Alliance of American Football in 2019. He was head coach of the 49ers in 2009 and 2010 and had been a linebackers coach and assistant head coach before that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 21, 2021, 10:22:43 am

A couple years ago Singletary was coaching a private high school football team in the Dallas area - he was 1-21 in his 2 seasons there.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 21, 2021, 10:39:20 am
NO THANK YOU!  I love Mike but no thank you.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 21, 2021, 10:41:12 am
I would personally like to see Sean Desai get the job.
Rodgers would have been a good choice too, but it sounds like he is off to SD to work with Staley.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 21, 2021, 10:43:11 am
Apparently Sam Acho agrees with me...

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/18/chicago-bears-sam-acho-touts-safeties-coach-sean-desai-as-defensive-coordinator/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 21, 2021, 11:07:04 am
What Bill said...love the guy, but please God no...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on January 21, 2021, 11:40:56 am
The only problem I have with Desai is he was the position coach of Eddie Jackson, who so underperformed this year.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 21, 2021, 07:22:47 pm
Agree, I like samurai Mike. But he!l no to him coaching anything on the Bears..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 22, 2021, 08:16:07 pm
Desai gets the DC job.  Sam Acho says his scheme will look more like fangios. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on January 22, 2021, 08:26:44 pm
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30760834/sources-chicago-bears-promote-safeties-coach-sean-desai-defensive-coordinator
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 22, 2021, 10:33:22 pm
I would like a more creative and aggressive DC who would disguise coverages,  blitz to confuse OL take a few chances.  Even Fangio was a little vanilla for me.

What’s there to lose?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 23, 2021, 06:22:50 am
Its all re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, unfortunately.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on January 24, 2021, 08:57:53 pm
Watching this Bills Chiefs game, it’s clear to me that Miller’s ejection was total bullshit. These guys in this game have been pushing and smacking each other around much more aggressively than Miller’s half ass swipe at that little saints ****...and no one has been ejected yet...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 24, 2021, 09:01:51 pm
Yeah Chris Jones outright punched a guy and no flag.

Very different standards.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 25, 2021, 10:39:08 am
I thought I had a good post on PFT comments about Rodgers sounding unsure of his future in GB. They don't seem to want to post it so I'll torture you folks with it :D

Conan, what is best in life ?

Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their MVP QB.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2021, 03:06:05 pm
Rodgers sounding unsure of his future

Well Danica doesnt want him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 28, 2021, 02:49:28 pm
Watson finally made a trade demand.  On the outside chance he would accept a trade here, I was trying to figure out what a Watson to Chicago trade would look like.  Our draft capital is so weak that we'd have to move some of our good young talent to make up for it.
My guess is:
Montgomery is piece #1.  He's young, good and cheap.  Texans can tout his production.

Texans then choose one of our three interesting rookies; Mooney, Johnson or Kmet.

Finally we add picks: our 1st and third this year and next year's first.

That's a package that can rival what the Jets and dolphins can offer.  I think I'd do it, but that would be about as much as I would give up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 28, 2021, 03:08:43 pm

I don't know that the Texans would accept that.  If they trade Watson they'd want a young up and coming QB preferably via a top 5 pick in this draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 28, 2021, 03:52:19 pm
Yeah, I know.  I think he goes to the Jets or Dolphins.  I was just putting together what the bears best package looks like.  We are never going to be a legit contender as long as a team with the high pick or qb with upside is on Watson's approved list.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on January 28, 2021, 04:08:30 pm
Yeah there's just no foreseeable way Watson comes here....just not gonna happen. Just not enough trade bait or cash.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 28, 2021, 04:23:21 pm
In Watsons contract he can approve or reject a trade.

The Bears aren’t on his approval list.

The Texans salary cap will take a hit if he leaves.  They go from $18 mil over the cap to $21 mil over.

Maybe they trade him to draft Lawrence but I doubt there’s any other realistic trade.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on January 28, 2021, 06:10:33 pm
I think Watson will be a Jet next year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on January 28, 2021, 06:49:03 pm
I think it is funny that people think because he didn't get taken to dinner and interviewed before he was drafted he would refuse a trade to the Bears.

That is just so absurd.  Refuse a trade to a QB starved top 3 media market because he wasn't asked out to dinner.  He could become a legend on a legendary football team and get all kinds of endorsement deals on top of what he already has.  This is a business folks.  He is not going to decline a trade to the Bears because he didn't get invited to dinner.

He won't be in Chicago for a number of reasons but not that one.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 28, 2021, 07:01:05 pm
I think it’s more about not wanting to come to a team in disarray than any dinner snub you may have read.

I don’t know if it’s a fact or speculation but every media entry I’ve seen says the Bears aren’t a team he would approve a trade to.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 28, 2021, 08:49:13 pm

Maybe Pace entices Watson to the Bears by offering to let him choose who replaces Nagy in 2022. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 29, 2021, 06:48:08 am
That would be so Bear like and nihilistic to trade the farm for Watson and set the Bears rebuild (it will be with a new staff and GM) back 5 more years. Hell, Ditka did it for Ricky Williams back in NO :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2021, 11:41:45 am
This isnt going to fly you know but its at least out there:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/28/report-bears-have-called-texans-about-deshaun-watson-trade/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

Its as realistically possible for the Bears to swing a deal as Walmart has to be getting a bunch of lunar green cheese from the man in the moon
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on January 29, 2021, 12:18:05 pm
Most of the NFL is sending trade offers
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on January 29, 2021, 08:55:05 pm
This isn't the NBA, I doubt the Texans trade Watson.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 29, 2021, 10:26:18 pm

Out at lunch listening to ESPN.  They were saying this could be the beginning of NFL players orchestrating team roster moves like in the NBA - think Lebron.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 30, 2021, 10:06:35 am
Some fun stuff to watch- and a few Bears related nuggets inside too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHQaon63aF0
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 30, 2021, 10:16:08 am
And for some feel good stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v8_lL4YHm8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on January 30, 2021, 11:34:43 am
IMO- Until the Bears decide to sit pat, and build this team from the ground up (make wise draft choices) they/we are fukked. Chasing every rainbow and trading away our draft picks has not worked. No matter how good a QB is, if he's running for his life he's no better than what we have (yes, that's a stretch).
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 30, 2021, 12:14:55 pm
IMO- Until the Bears decide to sit pat, and build this team from the ground up (make wise draft choices) they/we are fukked. Chasing every rainbow and trading away our draft picks has not worked. No matter how good a QB is, if he's running for his life he's no better than what we have (yes, that's a stretch).

No doubt the O-line needs an upgrade, but for the most part  Bears QBs had decent pass protection, ranking in the middle (16th) in least amount of sacks given up.  In addition to upgrading LT I'd like to see an improvement at RT too, especially in the run game.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on January 31, 2021, 03:42:51 pm
I wonder where the Bears would rank if every Nagy bubble screen that resulted in a loss was counted as a sack.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2021, 09:47:04 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/31/chicago-bears-offered-first-round-pick-detroit-lions-matthew-stafford/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 01, 2021, 04:07:21 pm

I know, everyone in Chicago has a hard-on for Watson, but what do you think of trading for Gardner Minshew?

37 TDs and 11 interceptions last 2 years
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 01, 2021, 04:19:18 pm
As in everything...it depends on the cost...

I haven't watched him enough to have an opinion on him one way or the other...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 02, 2021, 06:24:18 am
Just have no faith that this "braintrust" will make the right decision. Love for them to prove me wrong though.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 02, 2021, 07:49:30 am
The problem is dumb asss Nagy and his system needs a "special" qb, like Mahomes or Rogers to make it work.  We are not going to trade for one of those, and most likely not get one in the draft. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 04, 2021, 03:17:18 am
Hearing the name Derek Carr thrown around lately....what's everyones thoughts on him?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on February 04, 2021, 03:25:42 am
He sucks from what I have seen.  If Gruden can't good play out of him do you think Nagy can?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on February 04, 2021, 07:47:42 am
STOP Chasing other teams crap QBs!  We already have our own crap QBs.  Draft and develop.  Quit giving away picks for **** and hope.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 04, 2021, 07:50:11 am
Yeah if Gruden cant get it out of Carr, no way Nagy is going to.  Lets face it, we are not getting a qb that will be able to run Nagys system, and Nagy is too much of a shiithead to adapt his system to the qb he has.  What is the common denominator here?  Yep, Nagy. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on February 04, 2021, 07:56:51 am
crap and hope.  Maybe that won't be censored.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 04, 2021, 08:15:22 am
His stats aren’t those of a crappy QB. What am i missing?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on February 04, 2021, 08:28:40 am
His stats aren’t those of a crappy QB. What am i missing?
Nothing.  Carr is a good starting qb. Gruden is said to want to upgrade to Watson and probably needs a third team to provide picks for the package.  I'd send a 1 and a 2 in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2021, 09:29:33 am
STOP Chasing other teams crap QBs!  We already have our own crap QBs.  Draft and develop.  Quit giving away picks for **** and hope.

And what hope do you have trying to draft a QB without the #1 pick? Even fools gold to try at #20. Lets hear your plan. Tyler Bray? Come on man!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 04, 2021, 11:41:21 am
Carr had a 101.7 passer rating and was PFF 8th ranked QB FWIW.

He did have a terrible 2019 but played in an offense with a lot of injuries this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 04, 2021, 01:04:16 pm

His 2019 was just as good as 2020.  21 TD 8 interceptions  100.8 rating  70% completions

He will be 30...he's not much of a runner  but he's durable missing only 2 games over 7 years
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 04, 2021, 01:23:02 pm
In 2019 the Raiders went to a dink and dunk offense after Gruden lost confidence in Carr’s ability to throw downfield.
2020 they went back to their downfield offense and Carr had better success.

So although the statistics are similar the offense was quite different.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 05, 2021, 04:15:06 pm
Some clear indications the Bears are trading for Carson Wentz. Pace may be going to double down on stupid (again) and give up draft picks for a QB. That's what you get in a "lame duck" year when you have to win or you are out. And the Bears hamstrung  for the near future.... Way to go George McMediocre.....

Then again, suppose they get Wentz. He plays so-so but get hurt (and with no significant changes to the Oline is almost a guarantee) . In come Foles to lead them to a SB win..... This is probably what George/Pace/Nagy have going on in their fevered heads...

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 05, 2021, 04:19:50 pm
Bears can’t pay Wentz’s salary unless they gut the rest of the team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 05, 2021, 04:41:50 pm

Won't that be they case for most of the QBs they could trade for:  Watson, Carr, etc.

Leaves FA types and 3rd tier draftables.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2021, 04:51:55 pm
I can see the Bears re-signing Trubisky
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 05, 2021, 05:03:17 pm
I can see the Bears going 4-12.... then again, it seems for the last decade or so they do seem to do better when no one expects them to be any good. Guess that's why they play the games..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on February 05, 2021, 05:07:48 pm
I think Foles goes if Wentz comes, so that would offset the salaries a bit.  So maybe Foles and a 4th?  Anything more and I'd walk away.  Wentz was awful (on a completely destroyed by injuries offense) last year, but very good in 17 and 18, decent last year.  The injuries and last year are concerning.

I'd rather Pace wait the qb market out.  I think a better qb might shake out towards the draft.  A fallback of Fitzpatrick and Foles with a 2nd or 3rd round pick doesn't really look too much worse to me then trading for Wentz.
I'd rather Pace be patient. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on February 05, 2021, 08:11:07 pm
I'd rather Pace wait the qb market out.  I'd rather Pace be patient. 

He won't.  And he never is.  Pacey and Nagy are lame ducks who do not give a flying f*ck about 2022.  Pacey is bidding against himself again for a QB and Roseman and Ballard are laughing their asses off as another 1st round draft pick...or 2 disappear as a result of excellent collaboration.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 05, 2021, 08:49:47 pm

Yes they are lame ducks trying to save their jobs with a playoff run, but it appears the Colts will also be in the running for Wentz.

As for Foles, it's almost more painful to trade him than keep him.  I have no problems with him being a backup.  But as a starter teams come up with heavy blitz packages that he has shown in the past not able to handle.  Of course a better O-line would make him more effective.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 05, 2021, 09:52:11 pm
NO if Brees retires, Frisco, Dallas, Washington, Steelers have one more year with Rothlisburger, Denver, maybe Philly. could all be in play for quarterbacks.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on February 06, 2021, 09:01:55 am
no one is going to pick up Foles' contract, dream on.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on February 06, 2021, 09:21:06 am
Philly would...after they fleece the Bears of multiple 1sts and/or 2nds.

If I were Wentz, I would much prefer Indy.  They have a solid line.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 06, 2021, 10:02:12 am
I don't think Wentz will be that bad....   but the Bears mortgaging  the future with a lame-duck coaching staff destined to probably be fired at the end of next season is BAD.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 06, 2021, 10:07:02 am
So Foles problems this year were his confidence was shot, at least that is what I read.  So he comes here and has Nagys 5000 page play book, yeah he will pick that right up and succeed.  Sorry but I say no way to Wentz. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 06, 2021, 02:03:36 pm

I have no problem with Wentz the player.  I do have problems with what we'd have to send to Philly in compensation and even more so his effect on our salary cap.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2021, 02:59:59 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-eagles-close-trading-carson-003055398.html

It doesnt look like its the Bears.It looks like the Colts
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 06, 2021, 03:19:49 pm
That’s an opinion piece...nothing factual there...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2021, 03:27:03 pm
Hahaha I take it your betting money is still on the Bears ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 06, 2021, 07:43:29 pm
I would never put money on Pace.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 06, 2021, 08:48:17 pm
I did like how the fluff piece mentioned the Wentz/Reich relationship without even mentioning DeFilippo...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 06, 2021, 11:58:20 pm

It doesn't matter.  The Eagles are looking for their best deal - they don't care about Wentz' prior relationships.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 07, 2021, 08:26:55 am
Hoge and Jahns on their last podcast said a third rounder for Wentz would be as high as they go.  I also read that he is semi uncoachable, but not sure where that came from.  I hope we dont blow any more draft picks on a qb to reunite Foles and Wentz.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 07, 2021, 01:26:28 pm
Also read a comment that it is Anthony Miller and not Cohen.  If Pace does this he needs an escort to get to his house each night:

The Eagles could be going back to the future.

As rumors continue to make the rounds regarding a possible trade of quarterback Carson Wentz, long-time Eagles sideline reporter Howard Eskin dropped this nugget late Saturday night: Wentz to the Bears. For a first-round pick, running back Tarik Cohen, and . . . quarterback Nick Foles.

Yes, Nick Foles. The guy who won a Super Bowl in Philadelphia. The guy who nearly took them back to the NFC Championship the next year. The guy whom many believe should have been kept over Wentz after the 2018 season.

It would be Foles’ third stint with the Eagles, if it happens. Drafted in 2012 with a third-round pick, the Eagles traded Foles to the Rams for Sam Bradford in 2015. Then, the Eagles re-signed Foles in 2017. He has since signed with the Jaguars, who traded him after one year to the Bears.

Foles started the 2020 season as the backup to Mitch Trubisky. Acting on a gut feeling, coach Matt Nagy yanked Trubisky for Foles against the Falcons, and he promptly engineered a comeback win. Foles thereafter struggled, with Trubisky regaining the job after Foles suffered a hip/butt injury against the Vikings. Trubisky played well enough to keep Foles sitting on his hip/butt for the rest of the year.

Cohen took to Twitter in an effort to debunk his role in a potential trade: “Lemme clear this up real quick. Just got off the phone wit my HC and GM, Bears fans we locked in don’t worry. People say anything nowadays man.”

People do indeed say anything. Including coaches and General Managers. So we’ll see where this one goes from here.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on February 07, 2021, 04:22:38 pm
Please not Wentz. 

It makes sense that Pace would identify him tho...and outbid himself.  He’ll draw a line from Nagy to the eagles’ system and that’s all it will take.

Please....no


Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 07, 2021, 04:58:35 pm

The Colts have a legit playoff team - I'd think they'd be the ones with the urgency to get Wentz.  Wentz had a horrible 2020 no doubt, but look at his numbers the few years prior to that.  The negatives in the Bears getting him are both compensation and cap.  But you can't expect to get a proven starter without paying up - that's what happens when you miss out on drafting a franchise QB.

Foles thereafter struggled, with Trubisky regaining the job after Foles suffered a hip/butt injury against the Vikings. Trubisky played well enough to keep Foles sitting on his hip/butt for the rest of the year.

In defense of Foles.  He did beat the Falcons.  Beat the Bucs.  Beat the Panthers and took the Saints to OT where the defense let us down - not Foles.

His losses were primarily to playoff teams including the Rams and Titans.  He was horrible against the Vikings.  But a good portion of the blame for the Bears mid-season problems on offense was that Foles was QB before they switched up the O-line.  Also Montgomery did not play against the Vikes and the Bears did not have the ability to scheme or block the Vikings aggressive blitzes.

Not advocating Foles as the future starter of the Bears but like Tom Brady, he needs a good offensive line to protect him when he drops back.  I have no issues with him as a backup.  And he would be a great choice for starting QB if the Bears want a high draft pick in 2022.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 07, 2021, 05:04:22 pm
I’d be curious to know if the Bears are asking DeFilippo for his thoughts...Wentz’s best years as Eagles QB were when DeFilippo was his QB coach.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 08, 2021, 02:40:26 pm
Pace is crazy if he gives up a #1 draft pick in any trade for Wentz.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 08, 2021, 03:23:10 pm
https://twitter.com/bearspr/status/1358888409763307523?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2021, 03:48:19 pm
Is someone playing with your mind?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2021, 04:00:13 pm
Looks like they are planning to tag Robinson.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/08/did-the-bears-leave-a-clue-about-their-plans-for-allen-robinson/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2021, 09:13:30 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/09/chicago-bears-mitchell-trubisky-matt-nagy-no-reunion-2021/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

Its looking like the Bears and Trubisky are done, not that that makes me unhappy. However, on the other side of the coin the FA QBs available dont look much better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on February 10, 2021, 06:40:14 pm
Pettine is hired as assistant DC
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 11, 2021, 07:52:49 am
Great we just hired the weak link of the GB team.  Smooooooth Nagy. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on February 11, 2021, 08:24:11 am
Wow. He is well travelled isn't he? If he lives in Southern Wis., he won't even have to sell his home.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 11, 2021, 10:56:48 am
Green Bay had 9th ranked defense.  They did snag 3 interceptions against Brady in the NFC championship game.

Or do you think a rookie DC that was safety coach can't use any experienced help?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on February 11, 2021, 01:51:44 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/15/has-anthony-miller-played-his-last-down-with-the-bears/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on February 11, 2021, 03:33:22 pm
Nagy and his staff

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/20/78/24207810314ee46f9c9f4c772d698f22.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2021, 09:17:59 am
You gotta be crapping me:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/11/chicago-bears-possible-landing-spot-jets-sam-darnold/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

He sure isnt better than Trubisky. Cade McNown Jr. Good Grief, how moronic.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 12, 2021, 10:36:42 am
LOL, he’s light years better than Trubisky.

If we could get him for just a 2nd rounder, we should be all over that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 12, 2021, 10:37:14 am
Of course, your source is that shithole called Bearswire, so...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on February 12, 2021, 11:10:43 am
It will be interesting to see where Trubisky ends up.. And the outcome... I wasn't happy with the draft choice, but I blame a lot of his problems on coaching...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 12, 2021, 12:27:47 pm
What would really seriously suck would be him going somewhere and then becoming what he should have been here, much like Floyd at DE....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on February 12, 2021, 01:33:22 pm
I said the same thing to some guys at work.  Can you imagine if he goes to the Patriots and becomes a franchise QB?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 12, 2021, 02:33:49 pm

I dunno - I just haven't seen consistent accuracy beyond 10 yards, deep ball issues, and he doesn't have a good feel for pressure in the pocket.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on February 12, 2021, 03:04:27 pm
Darnold is an inaccurate turnover machine.  39 interceptions and 20 fumbles in 3 seasons.  He has taken a lot of hits and been hurt because his line has been bad and he has poor pocket presence.  I hope Pace doesnt target him. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2021, 03:44:10 pm
Agreed and he was in college too. Dont want that in Chicago
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2021, 11:40:19 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2021/2/13/22281113/o-line-upgrades-can-help-bears-address-qb-quandary

Very good article, well worth the read.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2021, 10:47:32 am
Jeff Dickerson is a pud:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/14/chicago-bears-allen-robinson-free-agency-status/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c.

I think Pace is holding up due to cap questions. I hope they tag him. Robinson needs to find his market value. I think he has overpriced himself
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 15, 2021, 11:15:42 am
With the cap dropping to $180 million, I wonder what FA signings will look like this year?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2021, 11:20:55 am
Yeah probably much cheaper
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 15, 2021, 02:34:57 pm
https://twitter.com/brobnfl/status/1361387303357149185?s=21
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2021, 03:55:44 pm
He has very big shoes to fill if he will be HC next year
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 15, 2021, 04:03:17 pm
Some thoughts after following a lot of NFL news this week:

Today I saw the Colts offered 2 seconds for Wentz.  Supposedly the Bears and Colts are the main bidders.
Wentz was MVP material 2017 until his knee injury.  He hasn’t been the same since.  Some say he’s the most talented available other than Trevor Lawrence, assuming Watson is not available.  For sure he’s a broken player and I don’t see giving much more than the Colts offered.

JJ Watt was seen around Chicago this weekend with his wife who I guess plays soccer or something there.  Rumors are he could want to sign with the Bears.  He was healthy for a change last year but I don’t know that he’s the impact player anymore that the media makes him out to be.

Singing Petrine was a little weird.  Hopefully he can help Desigh.  He wasn’t a great coordinator but his defenses played hard and were pretty effective with the talent available.

I’m worried about losing Fuller.  His last contract dumps a lot into this year and there is talk the Bears can’t afford him.  Losing him likely means replacing him with a lesser player.

The Ravens Ronni Stanley was injured most of last year and Orlando Brown replaced him at LT and played very well.  He supposedly has asked to be traded since the Ravens will move him back to right tackle which pays less than a left tackle so he wants a LT opportunity.
He’s only 24 and could be a better option for the Bears than taking a chance on a rookie.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2021, 04:32:17 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bart-scott-carson-wentz-makes-171318396.html

Bart who? Dont think so. Any Qb needs protection and a run game. Bears dont have that. Even Mahomes's protection wasnt so hot and look what happened to him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on February 18, 2021, 10:57:40 am
Wentz to Colts for 2 picks.
Moving on to Derek Carr...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 18, 2021, 11:21:35 am
A third this year and a second/maybe first next year.  Not exactly the 2/3 first round picks they said they wanted.  Glad we didnt get him. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 18, 2021, 11:29:13 am

Derek Carr?  I heard Mariotta is the Raider that may be on the block or possibly released.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on February 18, 2021, 12:09:13 pm
I told an eagles fan 2 years ago they were getting rid of the wrong QB. I know Foles isn't much but he plays lights out when he puts the green and white uni on...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on February 18, 2021, 12:57:32 pm
A third and a second seems like a pretty steep overpay for Wentz.  The 2nd will be a first if he doesn't get hurt next year.  I'm glad pace didn't pony up a matching package for Wentz. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on February 18, 2021, 01:13:47 pm
So you're suggesting we change our team colors...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 18, 2021, 01:18:11 pm
Never change colors. I do like the orange unis.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 18, 2021, 01:19:48 pm
Im not sure about Marriota.  Carr would probably be good, but not sure he is what we are missing.  I have a feeling we are going to go into next season with Foles and a second or third round QB, and suuck again, and Pace and Nagy will get fired. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 18, 2021, 01:25:22 pm
Mariota would be bad and I really dont think Carr is the gadget QB that Nagy covets.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 18, 2021, 01:32:23 pm

The other option I've suggested is to trade down our #20 and pickup a good OT late in round 1 or early round 2.  Then with what we get with that trade down - trade up the round 2 pick to earlier in the round and draft Trask.  He's not very mobile and he looked horrible against the Sooners in that bowl game but he was without his entire starting WR group and his talented TE.

Everybody poo poos potential Bear QB suggestions but few offer any options.  Yeah I could sit on my ass here and just say this guy or that guy is no good but when you are a beggar drafting 20 with limited cap you can't be a chooser.

Got any ideas?  Let's hear them.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: stelz on February 18, 2021, 02:10:45 pm
Glad they didn’t overpay for Wentz.  I don’t want them to burn he next four years of our future so they can win nine games next year.   I’d just as soon keep our draft picks and get the best offensive player available, if it was an offensive lineman, so much the better.  Build the damn trenches.  Foles can play if he’s has some time back there.  Coach him up...get him in better shape.  Get some FA for competition that’s not going to cost an arm and a leg, someone you don’t have to give up draft capital for.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 18, 2021, 02:24:35 pm
Taking on Wentz with his contract would have required roster changes even with some possible restructuring.

I suspect they would have said good bye to Fuller or Robinson.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 18, 2021, 02:37:02 pm
The other option I've suggested is to trade down our #20 and pickup a good OT late in round 1 or early round 2.  Then with what we get with that trade down - trade up the round 2 pick to earlier in the round and draft Trask.  He's not very mobile and he looked horrible against the Sooners in that bowl game but he was without his entire starting WR group and his talented TE.

Everybody poo poos potential Bear QB suggestions but few offer any options.  Yeah I could sit on my ass here and just say this guy or that guy is no good but when you are a beggar drafting 20 with limited cap you can't be a chooser.

Got any ideas?  Let's hear them.

Thats right beggars cant be choosers. And it doesnt appear we have the ability to acquire the QB to fit Nagy's offense. And other than Trask I dont see anything out there. And its not WHO is still out there, its who can

be made to fit what we need. I just dont see it, period.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 18, 2021, 03:04:25 pm

I think we make too much of "Nagy"s offense.  A QB has to be able to drop back or take the snap via the shotgun, read a defense, and hit the standard pass patterns:  outs, ins, slants, wheel routes, bombs, etc   It would also be nice to be able to rollout and run boot legs.  Foles and just about any other able bodied NFL QB should be capable of running Nagy's offense.  If he can't then Nagy has to modify it to fit the QBs strengths.

And BTW, do you see Tom Brady running around all day like Russell Wilson?  Mobility and pocket presence doesn't mean you have to have the speed of Kyler Murray, but it certainly helps.  Get a solid offensive line and you can execute just about anything.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 18, 2021, 03:40:38 pm
Wow!  SCORE said the Eagles are eating Wentz’s entire 2021 salary cap hit if $34m.

How bad did they want to get rid of him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 18, 2021, 06:53:23 pm
I think the best choices are Watson, Wilson, or Carr.  If we can't get one of those 3 via a trade, I feel Trubisky is better than all of the other retreads being kicked around - including Foles.

Don't be surprised when...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on February 18, 2021, 07:26:43 pm
The guy has never been what he was before he blew the knee. Bears totally screwed up with the one shot in the draft and now towel boy is at the thrift store picking over whatever leavings are the least broken and don’t smell to bad.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on February 18, 2021, 07:30:21 pm
Everybody poo poos potential Bear QB suggestions but few offer any options.  Yeah I could sit on my ass here and just say this guy or that guy is no good but when you are a beggar drafting 20 with limited cap you can't be a chooser.

Got any ideas?  Let's hear them.

I'd sign Fitzpatrick and keep Foles.  Let them fight it out in camp.  Id draft a OT and WR in the first 2.  Id take the best athlete/arm QB in the third and keep him as qb 3 with no intent to play him this year.   But im not trying to keep a gm job, so i doubt this will happen.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 19, 2021, 06:21:50 am
God help the Bears if they get Sam Darnold.........
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on February 19, 2021, 06:22:48 am
Bears are already saddled with a horrific contract with the vomit inducing Foles. No way would they pick up Wentz's ridiculous contract. Bears have dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 19, 2021, 06:25:37 am
I don't think Wentz would have been terrible. I think Nagy would've beat any good out of him and with what Pace would've given up for him would set back the next coaching/GM regime coming in in 2022..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on February 19, 2021, 08:33:05 am
I’d keep Foles and upgrade the OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 19, 2021, 09:33:42 am
I dont believe that is a bad solution. Upgrading the OLine should be priority one. We do need a backup to Foles though.

One name out there thats not mentioned is Garappolo. Pace tried to get him away from the Pats with no luck. It wouldnt shock me to find out he's available cheaply
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 19, 2021, 10:54:31 am

Grappolo has been mentioned here as well as Minchew.  Both are under contract though.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on February 19, 2021, 12:00:06 pm
Put me down for upgrading the O-line. Bolster the run game. I feel like we're back where we were around 2000, with Miller and Mathews..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on February 19, 2021, 12:02:57 pm
With a less dominant defense though.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 19, 2021, 03:49:03 pm
Grappolo has been mentioned here as well as Minchew.  Both are under contract though.

That doesnt mean they arent on somebody's do not trade list. If the price were decent enough both might be more cost effective than what we have been bidding on.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on February 19, 2021, 04:05:51 pm
Minshew is an option, but only if we trade Foles. I don't think we need to recreate the Jags 2019 QB room.
Minshew has 37 TDs against 11 Ints for his career. His comp % was 66.1% last year.

For comparison, Trubisky has 64 TDs against 37 Ints for his career. Comp % was 67% last year.

Whoever we end up with needs to be given better depth at WR. Desean Jackson just got released by the Eagles.
He'd be good in a #3/#4 role. Speed guy like Mooney who can keep defenses honest.
Hasn't been able to stay on the field, so cost shouldn't be prohibitive.

Should be adding another WR via draft as well. Javon Wims and Riley Ridley are not answers.



Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 19, 2021, 07:13:31 pm
I have to agree that Minshew would be interesting.  I think he is a guy you can win with.  Why could you not keep Foles as a backup?  Takes two decent Qb's in this league.  I would call Foles an excellent backup.

Ever time I watch Riley Ridley I like what I am seeing.  Obviously the coaches do not like him.  I think given more of an opportunity he is a 3rd WR on a team.  I would rather get rid of Wims and Miller.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 19, 2021, 07:38:41 pm
The Bears sold the future with the Mack trade.

It's really going to hurt the roster if they do it again for a QB. 

I'd rather they build the OL and roster, may draft a middle round QB like the Stanford, Georgia or Cincy guys but not make a big trade yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 19, 2021, 10:53:39 pm
The Bears sold the future with the Mack trade.

It's really going to hurt the roster if they do it again for a QB.

I'd rather they build the OL and roster, may draft a middle round QB like the Stanford, Georgia or Cincy guys but not make a big trade yet.

I agree Its why Minshew makes more sense from a dollar and sense standpoint
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 20, 2021, 12:57:54 am
Minshew is an option, but only if we trade Foles. I don't think we need to recreate the Jags 2019 QB room.
Minshew has 37 TDs against 11 Ints for his career. His comp % was 66.1% last year.

For comparison, Trubisky has 64 TDs against 37 Ints for his career. Comp % was 67% last year.

Whoever we end up with needs to be given better depth at WR. Desean Jackson just got released by the Eagles.
He'd be good in a #3/#4 role. Speed guy like Mooney who can keep defenses honest.
Hasn't been able to stay on the field, so cost shouldn't be prohibitive.

Should be adding another WR via draft as well. Javon Wims and Riley Ridley are not answers.

Jackson is 34 years old.  In the last 2 season he's played 8 games.  Ted Ginn was fast too and ignored in the Bears offense.  Now if A-Rob or a suitable replacement isn't signed then maybe, but he's not a #1 or #2.

Not sure why folks are so down on Wims/Ridley and Miller.   They aren't top 2 guys.  And when they got on the field they weren't primary or secondary targets, or our  QB didn't have the time (or ability) to get the ball to them as 3rd or 4th option.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on February 20, 2021, 07:41:23 am
Miller was supposed to be a top 2 guy.
Mooney, a 5th round pick, has taken that role.

Tampa made the Super Bowl this year with top 3 WR of Evans, Godwin and Brown.

Offense needs to improve at every level.
Simply franchising A-Rob and bringing the same group back doesn't move the needle.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 20, 2021, 08:58:43 am
Miller has never been a primary target...always an afterthought...

When he has been prioritized, he has produced. Our QB just never seemed to look his way.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 20, 2021, 09:06:29 am
Miller is undisciplined.  And not just the punch the other guy, but also route running.  That is his problem, not where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there.  If a QB cant trust the WR to be in a spot how can he throw to him?  I'm done with Miller.  I like Ridley, he is supposed to be a very good route runner, but he is in someones dog house, as they never let him play.  On the rare chance he gets, he always seems to do well.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 20, 2021, 09:52:25 am
That’s simply not true at all.

Miller has been known for his route running since his days at Memphis. It was one of his strengths prior to the draft.

As far as the “punch”, it was a bullshit call and everyone knows it. It wasn’t even a punch as much as it was a shove, and there are always much more egregious actions that aren’t called...in every game.

Get him a QB that will look his way, and he’s a 1000 yard receiver.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2021, 09:56:23 am
Man I hope this doesnt happen. It seems the NFL wants it to happen:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/field-yates-predicts-next-bears-224117620.html

It would be disaster waiting to happen
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 20, 2021, 01:35:01 pm
If we are trading for someone (within reason), he’s actually the guy I’d like most...pending cost, of course. He’s still only 23, and has all the tools.

Honestly, I haven’t watched him much at all as a pro...after all, he’s a Jet. Who watches them? I do remember him lighting it up at the Rose Bowl, though...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 20, 2021, 01:47:58 pm
I hope they keep Miller, he's got talent, and sign another veteran receiver because of the Wims/Ridley lack of production.

Darnold ha as much talent as anyone out there.  He takes stupid chances because he's a competitor and since he has so little help.........

If they were to give up one or more picks no higher than the 3rd round I would be ok with that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 20, 2021, 03:40:01 pm
I want someone who will take chances downfield.

I'm tired of watching QB's throw 2 yard checkdown passes on 3rd and long!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2021, 03:59:28 pm
Thats your guy alright. I like interceptions too but not Bears QBs being intercepted. Thats a turnover machine.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on February 20, 2021, 08:14:49 pm
you guys sound crazy talking about trading Foles, no GM in the league is going to take on that contract.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on February 20, 2021, 08:49:58 pm
Foles remaining contract is a base of 2/12.

That is not horrible for a backup at all.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on February 20, 2021, 08:51:26 pm
you guys sound crazy talking about trading Foles, no GM in the league is going to take on that contract.

Well.  There is one who will...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 21, 2021, 06:59:24 am
Darnolds original rookie deal has 1 yr left, Minshew has 2 yrs left.

Minshew is also getting paid 300k less salary.  Both on rookie deals and are cheap in comparison to vet QB's. 

Let's face it Bears cannot afford a Watson or Carr.  Not unless they unload Mack, Fuller and Hicks.  Definitely do not have enough money to sign ARob and bring in vet QB.

One of the rookie contract guys makes most sense to try and make one last run with our defense.  Our key defensive guys are getting older 2 year window max.

On Miller watch the tape never lies.  He always trying to make 1 hand catch when he could use 2.  Never blocks downfield for RB.  Not team player.  Sometimes its addition by subtraction.  I fully believe we would be better team without him.  I also believe the same about Wims.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 21, 2021, 07:02:36 am
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/cap/

Salary Cap details.  This year understanding the cap just as important as everything else.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 21, 2021, 07:20:29 am
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/02/19/chicago-bears-potential-2021-offseason-cap-casualties/

I think we do cut all of these guys.  Hicks would definitely hurt but if you want to keep ARob going to have to make painful decisions.  I see us having a rookie RT starting.

Would not be surprised to see the draft go like this:

Rd 1  RT
Rd 2  DT
Rd 3  WR
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on February 21, 2021, 07:58:39 am
As long as the Bears don't give up long term assets (draft picks) the next regime will at least have a chance not having to dig themselves out of a huge hole.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 21, 2021, 08:10:32 am
After really researching our cap situation.  Ownership really f'ed up not making GM/coaching change this year.  We are in a bad situation with aging players and no cap space.  The Quinn deal was a killer, really bad signing.

We only have 5 draft picks and a lot of holes to fill.  I really do not think we have any hope of being anything but mediocre for next few years.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on February 21, 2021, 10:46:03 am


On Miller watch the tape never lies.  He always trying to make 1 hand catch when he could use 2.  Never blocks downfield for RB.  Not team player.  Sometimes its addition by subtraction.  I fully believe we would be better team without him.  I also believe the same about Wims.

What he said.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on February 21, 2021, 11:37:41 am
I agree about the bears being not much more than a mediocre team. When you have 2 players that represent 25% of your cap and they're not lighting it up every other play, you've got problems. We have an aging team, that's the result of two things. No draft picks and poor choices with what draft picks we had. A good GM eliminates the "our window is closing".  A good GM is key, and we don't have one..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2021, 12:59:35 pm
What he said.  ;)
If Trubisky could put the ball where it needs to be, with more spiral and less wounded duck, this wouldn't be an issue. Any talk of not being a "team player" is nonsense...ask his teammates what they think of him. As far as blocking downfield, yes, sometimes I can admit he looks like the effort isn't there. Maybe his coaches told him to take it easy on that due to his bum shoulder? Better to be on the field than not...

I watch every episode of "The Tape Never Lies"...can someone tell me the one where they complained about him making him one-handed catches where two hands was possible?

I'll wait...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 21, 2021, 02:42:27 pm
Dave23,

I do not normally try to go out of my way to argue with anyone on internet as its unproductive.  However your ...I'll wait...comment kinda was dick.

I am not going to re-watch all the tape never lies just to point out what they said.

In terms of being a dick.  I wasn't going to mention it previously but this article I posted earlier https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/02/19/chicago-bears-potential-2021-offseason-cap-casualties/
specifically points out Miller's route running.

Aside from the ejection, Miller’s production has decreased since 2018. In his rookie season, it looked like Miller could be a highly productive slot receiver. But over the last three years, we kept getting the ‘attention to detail’ reports. Miller was always running his routes one yard too deep or one yard too shallow. Matt Nagy wants to run a systematic offense and Miller strives as an improvisational player. It seems like Miller is either making miraculous catches or dropping routine catches.


Prove to me you know what you are talking about....I'll wait...

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2021, 07:29:19 pm
That wasn’t my intention. I hoped maybe you could recall the episode where they said that, or at least around which part of the season they said that. I do watch them all...mostly to laugh at Leno’s feeble efforts. I don’t recall them saying that about AM.

Reading the link you posted, I agree that the “Nagy effect” is a very real thing. AM would be a star with a better QB. Cutting him would be a mistake.

We aren’t changing each other’s mind, so best to let it slide...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2021, 07:31:15 pm
Here’s the rest of the piece on Miller from your link...

Personally, I believe the talent is there and it’s another mismanaged situation by Nagy. Inconsistent snaps lead to inconsistent play and Matt Nagy’s unwillingness to adjust to the skill set of Anthony Miller limits his production. I wouldn’t be shocked if we saw Miller go to another team and look like a completely different player. It happens so often I’m about to coin the term the Nagy Effect.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on February 22, 2021, 01:31:01 am
It's really hard to tell how productive any of the teams wideouts could be with a QB who can't get them the ball and a line that can't pass protect.....those two things need done this offseason. If they do not get rid of Leno, replace him, they are NOT serious about winning.......period.....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 22, 2021, 09:47:06 am
This seems to make the most sense:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/21/chicago-bears-could-re-sign-mitchell-trubisky-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

If the price is right It makes the right choice for both
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2021, 10:19:54 am
An excerpt from a piece written for The Athletic today...

The Chicago Bears needed a quarterback. Imagine that. They also needed a tight end. Determined to fill both needs during the 1997 NFL offseason, the Bears had fateful decisions to make. Very fateful decisions.

If they decided to use their first-round pick for a tight end, they would most likely select Cal’s Tony Gonzalez with the 11th overall choice, then use their second-round pick for Arizona State quarterback Jake “The Snake” Plummer. But if they decided to make quarterback the higher priority, they would trade the 11th pick to the Seattle Seahawks for Rick Mirer, who they preferred over the underwhelming college prospects available that year.

Spoiler alert: The Bears did not select Gonzalez, whose bust currently resides in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, or Plummer, the only quarterback from the 1997 draft to start more than 10 games in the league. They instead came away with Mirer and second-round tight end John Allred, who finished his career with 30 receptions, or 1,295 fewer than Gonzalez collected.

It all seems so simple now. It was not so simple then.

Two decades before the Bears would trade up to select Mitch Trubisky when they could have had Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson, the organization traded the 11th choice in the 1997 draft to Seattle for a fourth-round pick and Mirer, whose tenure with the Bears would include three starts, zero touchdown passes, a single touchdown drive, six interceptions and a whole lot of opportunity cost.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on February 22, 2021, 10:36:31 am
That's one bad offseason.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on February 22, 2021, 11:37:08 am
The Mirer trade was so typical of the Bears. I don't hardly remember him playing..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 22, 2021, 11:46:39 am
Miter was rookie of the year then when the Seahawks changed OC’s every year the next 4 years he tanked.

So what do the Bears do? trade a first round pick for him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 22, 2021, 05:34:44 pm

Bears were second in the league in least amount of drops with 12.  I saw a list of the leaders and Miller was not listed, which means he could have dropped 4 or less last season. A-Rob was an all-pro and Mooney all-rookie, plus you throw in Montgomery and Graham/Kmet and there's not a whole lot of targets left for our remaining receivers. 

He's under contract for another year and I have no problems in him competing for the #3 job with Wims and Ridley.   His $1M cap hit is minimal. 

You keep him whether you keep A-Rob or not.

If you want to focus on a position of need how about nickel back.  How many games did our corners do a good job only to get victimized by Skrine getting beat?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on February 22, 2021, 06:41:24 pm
I watched NFLN replay of the last game against the packers.

Nearly all the crucial plays went against Duke Shelly subbing for Skrine.

The team never really discussed Jaylon Johnson’s shoulder injury so it’s a concern after 3 shoulder surgeries.

Along with Fullers $20m cap hit and Skrine getting picked on the corner situation is a concern.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2021, 04:41:16 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-wr-allen-robinson-play-152500669.html

I think that if the Bears put the franchise tag on Allen Robinson that if ARob wants to play in 2021 it'll be with the franchise tag or he wont play at all. If not he is loonier than a fruitcake
I really dont think untill the cap issue is decided any team has any idea where they are at. I wouldnt reccomend to Robinson that he start rattling sabres and burning bridges. I dont believe he is in the position to dictate anything.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 01, 2021, 12:12:31 pm

I don't see the Bears letting him walk.  Hopefully, they tag him and either keep him or trade him.

What do you think the Bears could get for him?  Probably not a #1.  Maybe a 2 or a 3?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 02, 2021, 11:22:42 pm
Finally in today’s presser someone in the Chicago media asked about Mack and Johnson’s shoulder injuries.

Brad Biggs.  Pace said neither required surgery.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 03, 2021, 11:22:05 am

Johnson, when healthy, was a first round talent.  If he can recover from his shoulder issues the Bears might have gotten themselves a mini-steal.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2021, 05:57:38 pm
And Vildor looked like he can play when he replaced Johnson.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 03, 2021, 10:35:30 pm

I don't know about Vildor.  It didn't seem like he was targeted and abused in his few starts.  Bears may have been helping him out in coverage.  Can either Vildor or Shelley replace Skrine?  Or do the Bears need to draft a nickel that falls in the draft because he's undersized.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 03, 2021, 11:00:37 pm
Shelley looked awful every time I saw him on the field...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 03, 2021, 11:19:16 pm
In his 3 starts Vildor allowed 11 receptions for 105 yards.

He wasn’t great but it looks like opponents didn’t see him making huge mistakes in coverage that they could exploit.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 04, 2021, 12:44:33 am
Shelley never should have made the roster.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 04, 2021, 01:50:04 am
I watched a replay of the second Green Bay game and every time Rogers needed a play he picked on Shelly.

Shelly seems to lack the quickness to keep up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 04, 2021, 02:56:16 pm

Both Shelly and Vildor are young and in-experienced players.  So there's room for improvement.   Can Vildor compete with Shelly for nickel?  I dunno.

Otherwise, I could see the Bears addressing nickel in the draft - maybe as early as round 3.  Recall the impact Bryce Callahan on that 2018 defense - it's an important position.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2021, 05:01:34 pm
Wasnt Shelly drafted a few years ago? Was supposedly very speedy?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 04, 2021, 10:15:39 pm

He was drafted in 2019.  And the only knock on him was he was his size l - around 5-9 175.  He was competitive and productive in college.

He had decent straight ahead speed but maybe didn't have the best agility or quickness.  Can't expect too much from a late 6th rounder.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 06, 2021, 12:56:25 am
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/3-reasons-alex-smith-is-everything-the-bears-need-at-qb-in-2021/ar-BB1ehz9p?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 06, 2021, 01:23:06 am
'Page doesn't exist'. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 06, 2021, 01:53:18 am
'Page doesn't exist'.

fixed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 06, 2021, 01:59:00 am
It would make a lot of sense.  We wouldn't have to give up draft picks we can't afford.  He knows the system and was with Nagy for 5 years.

I would love Russell Wilson but no way can the Bears give up 3 first round picks and players to get him.

Watson I would like but wouldn't give more then one first round pick for him.

Ryan Fitzpatrick may also be a solution.

We can't just go with Foles but we can't afford to give up the future for a QB when there are so many holes already.

The Bears are over the cap but so is just about everyone else due to Covid and the "Get Woke Crusade" that drove tons of fans away.  So lot's of players are going to get cut and then re-signed for less.  Which is going to cause a lot of player movement this off season.  It is going to be wild.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 06, 2021, 03:06:39 am
Smith looks too much like Rodgers....don't like him.... ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2021, 07:44:49 am
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/3-reasons-alex-smith-is-everything-the-bears-need-at-qb-in-2021/ar-BB1ehz9p?ocid=uxbndlbing

That might be a reasonable option.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 06, 2021, 08:48:55 am
Alex Smith played really poorly last season.  I'd have pretty low expectations that a guy in his late thirties who has had some serious injuries is going to get back to being a decent nfl qb.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2021, 09:25:46 am
My point is that he would be a cheaper backup QB than Foles and a backup and mentor to a rookie QB. I agree that the possibility of him as the starter is not appealing. However that said, he is more appealing to me than this trash:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/04/5-quarterbacks-the-bears-could-realistically-pursue-in-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 06, 2021, 11:23:06 am
I would love Russell Wilson but no way can the Bears give up 3 first round picks and players to get him.

Watson I would like but wouldn't give more then one first round pick for him.

Pace would trip over himself to pull the trigger if Seattle or Houston agreed to trade their QBs for 3 ones + player(s) and the rest of the league know it.  Now how do upgrade the line with no picks and no cap space?  Well the crazy bastard will work hard and collaborate on that later.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 06, 2021, 02:16:45 pm
Alex Smith wouldn't last long with the Bears OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 06, 2021, 05:09:09 pm
I dont think the bears are going to eat money on the Foles contract to pay new money to Smith.  Unless Foles is part of a qb upgrade trade, he's on the bears next year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 06, 2021, 06:00:58 pm
Foles will be here as a back up unless he gets traded.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2021, 07:54:56 pm
Alex Smith wouldn't last long with the Bears OL.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse, No team is going to the draft first then get a FA QB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 07, 2021, 01:40:17 pm
Hmmmm. They’re talking 3 first rounders and a player or two for Russell Wilson.

The guy is 32 years old that’s a pretty heavy price.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 07, 2021, 07:21:40 pm
Fukk that!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 07, 2021, 08:00:48 pm
It matters little what we think.  Pace and Nagy are going to get fired if they don't win next year.  They are going to go all in if they think it means they can save their jobs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 07, 2021, 08:04:06 pm
I wouldn’t be so sure they’ll be fired next year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 08, 2021, 12:08:19 am
That's way too high a price.....they'll do it...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 08, 2021, 12:23:34 am
I am honestly worried they will.

I want him as our QB but with that price Wilson would be screwing himself and us.

That is why Alex Smith makes more sense to me.  No picks given up and we could carry him and Foles.

Maybe it is a smoke screen to drive down the price on Watson.  I hope so anyway.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 08, 2021, 04:48:01 am
I'm tired of giving up picks. Build through the draft and supplement through free agency...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2021, 06:39:30 am
Thats the way to go. Trouble is we have made too many mistakes in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 08, 2021, 07:46:30 am
The only problem I have with Wilson is his age.  At 32 how many good years does he have left?  And its not like he is going to be getting spectacular Oline protection here.  Watson on the other hand, at 25 has a lot of good years left.  If you are going to give up the farm, do it for the guy who is going to be around for longer.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on March 08, 2021, 08:28:29 am
No QB will have success until you have a decent O-line
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2021, 09:34:42 am
Sounds about like a Pace splash

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/07/chicago-bears-kyle-long-quarterback-russell-wilson/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2021, 09:42:00 am
Here is a shock till you read it:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/07/former-bears-backup-qb-chase-daniel-suddenly-has-a-trade-market/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on March 08, 2021, 11:23:09 am
Wow....


Daniel’s career has been nothing short of remarkable. He’s thrown for 1,694 yards, eight touchdowns, and seven touchdowns — for his entire career — yet has made more than $38 million in career earnings.

I am assuming that is supposed to be 8 TDs and 7 INTs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on March 08, 2021, 03:09:29 pm
'Argument doesn't exist'...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 08, 2021, 05:06:59 pm
That's pretty good jack and he'll still be able to bend over and pick up the grandkids.  $38,000,000! that's $4,750,000 per TD! Geeeoddd!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 08, 2021, 05:14:17 pm
Who’s had it better than that?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 08, 2021, 07:23:20 pm
Don Strock (J/K, not sure how much Don made, but he had the best job in football at the time)...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 08, 2021, 07:42:10 pm
I always think of Danny White...punter and backup QB behind Staubach...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 08:06:40 pm
Gary Kubiak.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 08, 2021, 09:18:54 pm
Quinn who was backup for many years.

When Bears hired his OC Gary Crowton he brought Quinn with him.

We quickly saw Quinn couldn’t play a lick.