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Title: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2020, 11:53:11 am
FA starts tomorrow...

So far, we are adding Robert Quinn and Jimmy Graham, and parting ways with Leonard Floyd.

Still waiting for news on a backup QB...Keenum and Mariota have signed elsewhere, as has Bridgewater...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 12:04:16 pm

5 years $70M for a 30 year old pass rusher....insane.  So is paying Leonard Floyd $13M for one season.   

I'm not as much down on Jimmy Graham as I am his contract.

Draft picks are gold.   FA fools gold.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 12:10:37 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/17/21177857/chicago-bears-robert-quinn-contract-nfl-free-agency-2020
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 12:22:29 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/17/21183644/bears-free-agency-2020-leonard-floyd-release-spells-end-robert-quinn-pass-rush-sack-ryan-pace-draft
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 12:52:25 pm

So I guess the Bears will now add Can Newton to the list of potential QBs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 12:57:13 pm
Never say never, but a case could be made for that,
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2020, 01:07:08 pm
I hope not, I cant stand that little super man shirt ripping thing he does.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 17, 2020, 01:43:45 pm
He's had the absolute living hell beaten out of him, he's not the man he once was, but hell, who is? I think Foles would want a ton of money, supebowl mvp and all, and that money could go for
some really good guys up front that have a couple of years left. That line at the end was a sieve.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2020, 01:53:59 pm

Aren't Dalton, Foles and Newton all under contract?   Which means not only do you have to give up a draft choice but you have to pickup their 2020 salary and beyond.

Cam Newton is on the books for $18M for 2020.

Nick Foles is on the books for $15M the next 2 years and $20M in 2022.

Andy Dalton is on the books for 2020 for over $17M.

Maybe the Bears should be getting draft choices!  I'm thinking these guys could be cut...at least Newton and Dalton.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 17, 2020, 03:45:38 pm
SCORE is reporting the Bears offered the same money to Bridgewater as the Panthers but he doesn’t want to compete with Trubisky
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 17, 2020, 03:56:37 pm
Dang:

Washington has agreed to terms with its second linebacker of the week.

They came to an agreement to re-sign Jon Bostic on Monday and the agents for Kevin Pierre-Louis told Ian Rapoport of NFL Media that their client agreed to terms with Washington on Tuesday. It’s a one-year deal worth up to $3.45 million.

Pierre-Louis spent last season with the Bears and played a leading role on special teams while also playing 20 percent of the team’s defensive snaps. He had 37 tackles and an interception in those appearances.

Pierre-Louis has also played for the Seahawks, Chiefs and Jets since entering the league as a fourth-round pick in 2014.

Washington has also reached agreements with guard Wes Schweitzer and cornerback Kendall Fuller since the negotiating window opened on Monday.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on March 17, 2020, 04:04:52 pm
This is rapidly turning into a typical bear s hit show. Just super.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: ISF on March 17, 2020, 04:07:26 pm
I don't mind the Quinn signing. He's an upgrade from Floyd. Having Mack and Quinn on the ends with Hicks and Goldman in the middle is a top 5 line.

Trading for Newton wouldn't bother me because the Panthers have blown their leverage.
They aren't going into the season with both Cam and Bridgewater's salaries, so the price has hit rock bottom.

Offer them a 5th round pick and the good news that they won't have to pay the man...
If he's healthy and productive, we can talk new contract extension, if he's a shell of his former self the contract is up and it's cap money for next year's pile.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2020, 07:06:32 pm
So what do the Raiders do with Carr now? And the 9ers were hoping for Brady too. Both situations scream questions. I sure wouldnt get in a hurry signing Newton. And I am sure the Bungholes dont want to have Dalton on the roster in 2020. Just too much uncertainty right now. A 5th for Newton...next year, I might bite.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on March 17, 2020, 11:16:41 pm

I guess the Raiders and the 49ers will just have to make do with two QBs that had ratings over 100 in 2019. 

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on March 18, 2020, 06:14:24 am
Quote
he doesn’t want to compete with Trubisky

Well.  If he was afraid of competing against Trubisky I am double glad we didn't sign him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 18, 2020, 06:53:31 am
I guess with the cutting of Floyd we have enough data (to match the eyeball test) to show that Pace can't draft 1st rounders for crap. Hell his best 1st rounder(s) are the two he gave up for Mack.....

Signing Graham is a WTF signing (why so early in FA ? Maybe Pace was conned into it by thinking there was a vibrant market for him (ala Trubisky in the draft ?)....

I used to be positive neutral on Pace but now its tilted for the negative and gathering momentum towards auguring in downward.....

For one of the cornerstone founding franchises of the NFL to be so inept for much of the modern era (1 SB win) is pretty inexcuseable and unacceptable....

On the positive side, only 5 more years until they make a SB run again (85, 2005, 2025 ?). And if the pattern holds, it should be a blowout win  :D





Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2020, 07:41:25 am
SO the Bears lost two solid backup LBs and gained a upgrade at Floyds spot. The starters are strong but hope and pray no one goes down!
Graham?? WTH are the Bears thinking???
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2020, 07:55:13 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/17/21184534/bears-free-agency-2020-quarterbacks-musical-chairs-mitch-trubisky-cam-newton-nick-foles-andy-dalton

He has had multiple surgeries on his right shoulder and suffered a Lisfranc break in his left foot last season. Any team that would want to add Newton undoubtedly would want to give him a thorough physical, and player visits are banned because of coronavirus measures.

I'd be scared of those injuries without a physical. I'd wait for the release thats coming or move on to Foles or Dalton. Of those 2 Foles is the most interesting. Why? Because Philly's offense is supposed to be close to Nagy's offense.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 18, 2020, 07:55:44 am
Based on what's transpired lately, "thinking" and "Bears" shouldn't be used in the same sentence :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 18, 2020, 08:01:14 am
Someone said that Foles totally chokes when he is "the man".  He is good when he comes in as a back up and can just lead the team.  I dont know, but that doesnt really sound like good competition for Mitch.  But it could be good enough for a year while a rookie gets up to speed....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 08:17:19 am
FWIW @dabearsblog called the Quinn sign/Floyd cut 3 minutes before Ian Rapp

Let's see if his "source" is right about this one...

@dabearsblog
Hey
@AllenRobinson
 - heard you’re gonna be here awhile.
8:05 AM · Mar 18, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 08:21:58 am
Still livid about the guaranteed money for Graham.  It's like Pace was bidding against himself a la Glennon.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 18, 2020, 09:09:42 am

It's called desperation.  He knows 2020 is it for him.  He's got to field a playoff team or he's likely out.

GMs are measured on their success (wins) but also their drafts.   How many drafts has Pace had?  And how many starters from those drafts? 

Offense:  2 lineman, QB, HB and a WR
Defense:  2 lineman, ILB and safety

5 drafts - 9 starters
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 18, 2020, 09:33:06 am
When did he get a QB starter?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2020, 09:41:06 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/17/twitter-reacts-to-chicago-bears-signing-pass-rusher-robert-quinn-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 18, 2020, 10:02:57 am
Pace needs to go before he can screw another draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 12:35:28 pm
F*CK YOU PACE
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 18, 2020, 12:39:08 pm
Files to the Bears for 4th.!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 18, 2020, 12:40:51 pm

Hopefully, restructuring his Jags deal.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 18, 2020, 12:45:28 pm
Word is they are definitely restructuring his existing deal...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 18, 2020, 12:46:55 pm
Since we are giving a 4th rounder, I’m assuming the Jags are eating most of the contract...

I hope...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 18, 2020, 01:09:31 pm
I guess those rumors about us getting a pick back were wrong.  And the 4th round is where Pace has actually been successful.  This is going to be a loooooong year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on March 18, 2020, 01:26:18 pm
 I like the Foles pickup.It will be good competition for Trubisky and at worst it's the best backup QB situation we've had in a long time. Now take care of the OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2020, 01:33:08 pm
Yep, def like the Foles addition. Graham on the other hand..... And Quinn is a great pickup. Two steps forward, a step back with the loss of Kwit and Pierre Louis. Easier to get some backup help at those positions though so expect them to draft LB at some point...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 18, 2020, 01:40:25 pm
watching CBS sports & their take is Jags can't believe they got someone to take that contract & get a 4th round pick also.

other teams love Pace.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 18, 2020, 01:48:49 pm
I like us getting Foles. Now we need to fix the OL.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 18, 2020, 02:10:07 pm

We need a safety more right now.  We can get a lineman in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 18, 2020, 02:46:55 pm
watching CBS sports & their take is Jags can't believe they got someone to take that contract & get a 4th round pick also.

other teams love Pace.

Yeah, the Jags have done a great job managing their team.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on March 18, 2020, 02:55:57 pm
Gamepass (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106855/article/nfl-offers-fans-free-access-to-nfl-game-pass) is free until May 31.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 18, 2020, 03:23:53 pm
Good move by NFL to allow folks to try gamepass. Great way to watch games you missed or want to re-watch......

From what I understand the Bears are reworking the contract on Foles......

At least its all in this year or all out as it were......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 18, 2020, 09:19:42 pm
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881788-nick-foles-reportedly-restructures-contract-with-bears-after-trade-from-jaguars

Sounds to me the Bears protected themselves with a basically one year deal.  Foles gave himself the ability to negotiate new deal if he does well.  I think a person that bets on themselves.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 19, 2020, 12:21:53 am
I am really good with the Foles deal.  He knows the system and all three offensive coaches know him.

Nagy got his guy at QB so no more excuses with the offense.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 19, 2020, 02:59:13 am
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/graphic-shows-how-much-upgrade-robert-quinn-bears?fbclid=IwAR3iKaNMqLAw2S51ke5s6JYeqm8IC5Txtw1twzhWutZ8_k1qAVW-cKVcH0Q
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 19, 2020, 05:06:51 am
I'm glad the Bears didn't go after Cam Newton.. He'll end up somewhere riding the bench. I used to like the guy...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2020, 08:47:44 am
Has Quinn played OLB in a 3-4 front before? Can he cover a back TE or a back coming out of the backfield.

I like the pass rush upgrade but we know teams attack it with short passes and getting the RB involved in the passing game.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 19, 2020, 08:51:57 am
I read somewhere that he has done it in a couple of different seasons...maybe when LA Rams switched from 4-3 to 3-4?

I read that he prefers, and fits better, in a 4-3, but his numbers were just fine in a 3-4. I'll see if I can find the article...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 19, 2020, 09:03:33 am
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/3/3/17075550/miami-dolphins-trade-robert-quinn-los-angeles-rams-insider-look

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-robert-quinn-20180404-story.html

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 19, 2020, 09:10:58 am

Quinn missed a couple games last year with the Cowboys with back issues.   You can see from Dave23's post that he's had some history of back problems.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2020, 07:58:39 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/19/21182114/chicago-bears-tight-ends-make-shaky-plans-crucial-position-te-trey-burton-jimmy-graham-ryan-pace
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2020, 08:10:32 am
Its a quandary alright: But you put yourself in that position

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/19/21187537/paces-offseason-quandary-fixing-bears-o-line
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 20, 2020, 10:09:35 am

Recall Leno was coming off a pro-bowl alternate season in 2018 and Massie had been solid for several years at RT.

What should have Pace done with the O-line?  Not draft Daniels?  Not re-sign Whitehair?

Hindsight 20/20.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2020, 10:20:54 am
Yeah!

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/18/21185743/nick-foles-trade-mitch-trubisky-who-won

Not sure who won, may depend on who's the healthiest and reverts to form. Both have issues. Still could draft a QB, at least I think so.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 20, 2020, 10:59:52 am

The Bears looked like an ideal landing spot for any veteran quarterback given that they have an elite defense and an enticing crew of skill players

Who is enticing on offense?    Other than Allen Robinson?

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 20, 2020, 11:10:06 am
I think we have a few others who would be more enticing with the right QB on the field with them...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 20, 2020, 11:18:41 am
Not mentioned yet, as far as I have seen...

Cornelius Lucas signed with Washington...2/5.3M

Ha-Ha signed with Dallas

Patrick Scales and Deon Bush re-signed with the Bears...Bush got 1/1.4M, no word on Scales, but it was also 1 year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 20, 2020, 01:01:11 pm

Ha Ha for only $4M - 1 year.

Bears waiting on cheaper options.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 21, 2020, 01:05:06 am
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/20/bears-re-signing-isaiah-irving-to-one-year-deal/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 21, 2020, 04:44:28 am
I've heard Jefferson coming off an ACL injury may be in the mix at Safety.  On another board, they are worried that Foles will get injured behind our line, no such angst with Trubisky behind the same...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 21, 2020, 02:22:03 pm

Artie Burns signed - young Steeler CB - former 1st round pick 2016

50/50 chance to start on opening day
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 21, 2020, 09:23:35 pm
From 2016...


Steelers selected Miami (FL) CB Artie Burns with the No. 25 overall pick in the 2016 draft.

Burns (6'0/193) made 23 starts in three seasons with the 'Canes, finishing on a high note with an ACC-best six interceptions in 2015. He ran 4.46 at the Combine, adding an explosive 10-foot-4 broad jump but marginal 33-inch vertical at Miami's Pro Day. Burns' strengths are his athleticism, ballhawking ability, and length (33 1/4-inch arms), while his primary weakness is frustrating game tape on which Burns has a tendency to get lazy and play undisciplined. Burns has No. 1-corner upside, but could also flame out quickly. Raw after spending so much time in track and field at The U, Burns is a boom-bust prospect.

Apr 28, 2016, 10:57 PM ET
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 21, 2020, 10:09:39 pm
watched tape of Burns on youtube - it was pretty much all bad. His technique, footwork etc., all bad, was drafted  as an athlete. Was only like 20 when drafted.

fine with taking a flyer. Not worried as I've always liked Tolliver.

Safety & OL are the needs now.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 22, 2020, 12:05:21 am
Do not expect wholesale changes on the OLine. Just not happening. Expect additions, probably via the draft and UDFAs. Maybe some changes when veterans cut after the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 22, 2020, 08:26:13 am
We need to replace Long at RG.  Now if we could get a stud for that, that would be nice, where ever he comes from.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 22, 2020, 11:40:49 am
I can assure you of one thing. If the O line doesn't play better than last year, it won't matter who the QB is..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 22, 2020, 11:55:23 am
Absolutely, But cap being what it is and extensions given out to players who didnt play up to contracts given, the line is what you are going to get unless the OLine coach can improve the techniques
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on March 22, 2020, 07:50:25 pm
I like both of the bears recent secondary signings.  High upside with experience at a low risk.  Lucas has a lot of special teams value as well.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 22, 2020, 08:35:20 pm
No OL signing is a curiosity. 

Surely Pace will address that in the draft.  Maybe a future tackle who can play guard this year.

Is it possible to trade down one of the seconds to one of the teams with 2 thirds?

Maybe Dallas can give us the point formula.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 22, 2020, 11:12:24 pm
hoping a OL coach can spin manure into gold is truly wishful thinking.

The play of the OL was horrific last year & we lost Lucas. Leno and Coward were jokes.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 23, 2020, 05:15:20 am
I feel like for years I wish the Bears would just draft multiple OL man with first couple of picks.  Trenches win in the NFL.  Plus OL is all about knowing each other and anticipating where the other guy will pick up.  Young guys learning to play together would be beneficial for years to come.  I would not be opposed to three OL picks with first 3 picks.  Let's get the OLine fixed!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2020, 07:39:39 am
Linebacker Barkevious Mingo has played for five teams the past five seasons, and he just agreed to terms with a different team than the previous five.

Mingo will sign a one-year, $1.187 million deal with the Bears, with $887,000 fully guaranteed, Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports.

The Texans had interest in keeping Mingo and made an offer, Wilson adds, but Mingo opted to go to Chicago.

Mingo, 29, spent his first three seasons in Cleveland after the Browns made him the sixth overall choice. He then went to New England in 2016, Indianapolis in 2017, Seattle in 2018 and Houston last season.

Mingo appeared in 16 games but made only one start in 2019. He saw action on 73 defensive snaps and 318 on special teams.

In his seven seasons, Mingo has 220 tackles, 10 sacks, 14 pass breakups, an interception and five forced fumbles.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2020, 10:33:05 am
Good depth signing...takes away one more “must have” from the draft...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2020, 12:45:38 pm
I dont necessarily buy this. Its a point of view for sure

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/3/21/21171497/2020-nfl-draft-picks-chicago-bears-gm-ryan-pace-negligent-if-he-doesnt-take-quarterback-in-round-2

If  a player they want isnt there its meaningless. Why waste the pick?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2020, 02:25:14 pm
I could not disagree with that article more...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 03:27:05 pm
Good depth signing...takes away one more “must have” from the draft...

Pace would not go into a draft with glaring front line needs.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Pace signs a couple more O-lineman similar to Ted Larsen, 2018s Witzman and Cornelius Lucas.

Safety and corner now have quantity depth - still not sure about quality depth.  Either position could be targeted in round 2.  Also, Stephen Denmark is still on the roster.  Last year's 7th rounder has freak size/speed and was hidden on IR last season.  He might make the team as a special teamer.

Right now though I think O-line is biggest need in the draft.

Pace is a self proclaimed BPA guy.  And with all the Bears needs he could go just about anywhere in round 2.   But I don't think Pace can draft for a future he might not be part of.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on March 23, 2020, 04:27:17 pm
Why not sign Dalton or Winston at this point? Cap room issues? Give Mitch some real competition. Winston is a block head, but he will stand in there and throw the ball down the field.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2020, 05:39:51 pm
Pace would not go into a draft with glaring front line needs.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Pace signs a couple more O-lineman similar to Ted Larsen, 2018s Witzman and Cornelius Lucas.

Safety and corner now have quantity depth - still not sure about quality depth.  Either position could be targeted in round 2.  Also, Stephen Denmark is still on the roster.  Last year's 7th rounder has freak size/speed and was hidden on IR last season.  He might make the team as a special teamer.

Right now though I think O-line is biggest need in the draft.

Pace is a self proclaimed BPA guy.  And with all the Bears needs he could go just about anywhere in round 2.   But I don't think Pace can draft for a future he might not be part of.

Which brings me back to this post I made in the Draft topic not too long ago...which no one bothered to give any thought to, apparently...

Which of these guys would you take no matter what at 43? Pick all of them that you would take...doesn't have to be just one. Assume there are no good offers to trade down...

WR - Tee Higgins - Clemson
WR - Brandon Aiyuk - Arizona St
WR - Justin Jefferson - LSU
RB - JK Dobbins - OSU
RB - Jonathan Taylor - Wisconsin
RB - D'Andre Swift - Georgia
QB - Jordan Love - Utah St
CB - Jeff Gladney - TCU
OT - Josh Jones - Houston
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2020, 06:09:53 pm
Right now though I think O-line is biggest need in the draft.

That and TE. Graham hasnt changed anything. He is just a smoke screen.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 06:18:16 pm
I don't know that much about any of the guys on your list.  Just going by position.

I'd go with the OT.  Next the corner (even if one of the 3 guys vying for the job sticks - Fuller ain't getting any younger).

WR is tempting but he'd have to be special.  We've seen Nagy largely ignore Wims and Ridley early in their careers.  Nagy just doesn't sub in these guys frequently or maybe he does and Trubisky never finds them since they are not the primaries.

I think we're OK at HB, would have liked for the Bears to retain Kerrith Whyte though.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 23, 2020, 06:31:20 pm
you draft the sure thing, if one is available. If the rankings are close you go for need, OL, TE.

I just hope a good OT or OG is available. Last high pick OL was Daniels, who I think has been a big disappointment.

Can't make reaches with picks in the first 2 rounds, if you rate a guy like Taylor as a future all-pro you take him.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 06:50:33 pm

I think Daniels struggled at center but actually may have been the highest grader of the bunch. 

From PFF:

A silver lining for the group came from James Daniels after he switched over to left guard. Daniels’ 73.9 overall grade at left guard ranked fifth among all qualifiers at the position.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 23, 2020, 07:22:14 pm
the problem I have with Daniels is he lacks strength. All those Tape Never Lies videos showed him getting pushed around on a consistent basis. If it's 3rd and 1 you don't run at his area.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on March 23, 2020, 08:31:06 pm
Impact wise it's hard to pass on Dobbins and Taylor.

I like Montgomery but when he gets an opening it's 5 yards and with these guys it's a highlight.

Still though if the off season evaluation cannot solve the blocking with a different scheme have to think OL.
(there is speculation they may expect Bars to be ready at RG since they haven't signed a FA)

Yet third hand.......if WR is the strength of the draft you have to consider that if one of them is the BPA.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2020, 09:16:53 pm
the problem I have with Daniels is he lacks strength. All those Tape Never Lies videos showed him getting pushed around on a consistent basis. If it's 3rd and 1 you don't run at his area.

I  kind of agee.  He's not a power guy - more finesse.  Recall the game against the Rams in '18 where he held his own against Aaron Donald.  Maybe his overall ranking is so good because of excellent pass blocking and average run blocking.  He gave up 1 sack last year and had 2 holding penalties.

Just got to hope he grows stronger.  He was 20 when the Bears drafted him.  He's still only 22.  Just a kid.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 24, 2020, 05:03:10 am
Nagy hasn't shown me that he will utilize a tailback, I am concerned that spending a pick that high wouldn't be a waste in this system.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 24, 2020, 11:00:55 am

Bears have an extremely fast running back on the roster that is good size too at 6-2 238.  Last year he rushed for over 6 yards a carry.

He needs to be a bigger part of the offense.

Cordarrelle Patterson

(And bring back the fullback - we can cut one off the 10 TEs on the roster)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2020, 05:11:35 pm
Yahoo chimes in

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/5-players-bears-could-still-153815670.html

With no cap room they need to print some more money
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 24, 2020, 07:41:53 pm
Totally agree on getting Patterson the ball much much more. The guy is explosive and fast! Dumb of Nagy not to use him more...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 25, 2020, 11:04:24 am
I have little confidence in Nagy..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 25, 2020, 11:51:19 am
Same.  Two Packer gameplans, the Saints debacle.  Who is keeping him in check?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 25, 2020, 12:29:12 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/chicago-bears-should-address-offensive-line-in-free-agency-michael-schofield/

Yeah if they print some more money. Maybe there is some Bear money in the Corona virus bill. ::)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 25, 2020, 01:25:29 pm
Vonn Bell signs with Bengals.  Shoot.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2020, 01:36:06 pm

Still need a lineman - did the Bears just sign an offensive lineman?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 25, 2020, 01:37:58 pm
They are still trying to print some funny money
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 02:15:37 pm
Actually we did just sign an OLman...Germain Ifedi, who was Seattle's first rounder (31st) in 2016...

4 year starter for the Seahawks, starting 60 of 64 games...should plug right into the RG position...

1 year deal
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 25, 2020, 06:02:14 pm
Ifedi was a RT. Supposedly the Fans in Seattle hated him - penalty machine, Seattle's Leno.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 25, 2020, 07:03:05 pm
Basically what I said -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBgNwhOs3kM
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 25, 2020, 07:08:21 pm
Well he'll fit right in..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2020, 07:49:43 pm
Statistical  comparisons with Leno are incredibly quite valid.   The only difference is Ifedi played on a unit that was 4th in the league in rushing.

Get him off the edge and we might have our RG, which is where most scouts predicted he'd play coming out of A&M.

 If not, he can push Massie  at RT - or at worst be the swing tackle.

The guy does have long arms- 36''.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 08:34:59 pm
What Dallas said...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 08:35:48 pm
And in no way does this move keep us from drafting OL in the 2nd round...or remove the need to do so...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2020, 09:56:27 pm

Yeah, I still think O-line is the pick in round 2. 

Ifedi is just like the recent signings at safety and corner - more needed depth with an outside chance to earn a starting role.

Bears got to be out of cap room - maybe they do more restructuring? 

Do the Bears now just wait for the draft?   Or can they pull one more FA deal?

WR isn't very deep.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2020, 10:03:57 pm
Their biggest priority at this point should be extending ARob...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 26, 2020, 05:06:32 am
1 yr deal for a 25 year old who plays most snaps.  I am fine with the signing.  Adds depth and competition.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 26, 2020, 08:25:11 am
What I read about Ifedi is that he is crazy strong, like an ox, and has some speed, but makes way too many mental errors that lead to penalties.  Not sure that is something we can fix or not, but I hope so.  Maybe at G it will be less for him to handle.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on March 26, 2020, 09:11:40 pm
I have little confidence in Nagy..

The worst head coach in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on March 27, 2020, 07:41:02 am
Oh come on, we have had worse
The worst head coach in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 27, 2020, 11:02:11 am
The worst head coach in NFL history.

Um.... ok ? He's not even the BEARS worst coach ever... Personally I rank them Trestman, Wanny, and 'ole Abe Gibron....

But there is room for Nagy to keep going up the chart for sure..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 11:08:32 am
Nagy's 2 year record:  20-12 which is 63% wins  (Ditka was 63.1%)

Statistically, Abe Gibron had the worst record of any Bear coach:  winning percentage .268 followed by John Fox at .291

JeffH hasn't suffered through decades of bad Bears coaches like most of us here - I think he's a millennial, maybe a teenager.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 27, 2020, 11:48:51 am
Not quite...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2020, 03:17:28 pm
Quote
Not quite...

Is he your alter ego??  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 27, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
He's been on the Cubs board for 20+ years, so I don't think he's a teenager...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 27, 2020, 03:51:39 pm
When Nagy said I didn't come here to run the I formation when asked why don't you run from the I formation more as it is the only thing that's working - I realized he was a complete idiot.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 27, 2020, 04:31:59 pm
Kind of like when Trestman told the D to stop batting balls down during practice so the offense could get some work in.....  That's all you need to know about the TrestMess....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2020, 06:18:46 pm
That def shows lack of adaptability to the talent. Nagy should have stuck with that I formation more when it was working. Stubborness is not a strength as a coach...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 27, 2020, 08:34:28 pm

In 2018 Nagy benefited from a turnover machine defense and pretty good health on offense.   Maybe the wins came too easily because in 2019 the turnovers dried up, more players got banged up and the offensive line all had an off year.

Hopefully, he learned something from 2019.  But I agree despite issues beyond his control he had some real brain farts in play calling.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on March 28, 2020, 12:37:11 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/03/former-qb-predicts-bananas-stat-line-for-nick-foles-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR1PbCMsU89JjVPY7ayBCJMPULVaZOqU55AlSbuT1wM-2VdV_6j_c-T2Aj8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 09:34:24 am
Trubisky in the two minute offense does pretty well. At end of games he has put this team in position to win some games. His problems seem to be mostly between the ears. When his line starts to break down (which is quite often in Chicago) is when he falls apart, as do many QB's. However it happens, the O line is key to winning next year...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on March 28, 2020, 10:03:57 am
I read someone say that Trubisky has problems with processing info quickly, and it takes him to long to figure out what to do if the first option isnt there.  So if you have a leaky O Line, that just compounds that problem.  Wish we had a QB with a super computer brain, and matching athletic skills.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 28, 2020, 10:32:24 am
Trubisky has happy feet.  When he sees pressure he bails instead of taking a step or two to avoid it.   

Pocket presence is lacking.   Is it something that can be improved or is it innate?

I was often impressed how Cutler would hold the ball until the last second before releasing the pass and getting crushed.

Is it all Trubisky?  No, the O-line especially last year would take turns losing their blocks and you rarely saw any separation with our WR routes.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 28, 2020, 10:43:21 am
Two parts of the Bears staff I think are really not too good is the WR coach and the scouts in charge of evaluating TE talent...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 11:12:41 am
I agree about Trubisky's pocket presence.. I also look at the offense overall and feel it's like blaming a sinking ship on the lack of life rafts.. Get the Oline fixed and you've taken care of a big part of the problem. The year before, when the O line was playing better, it translated to better play by the QB.. Plus, our O looked much better when Trubisky was using his wheels..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 11:14:57 am
And let's get the run game going... The whole offense seemed out of sync last year...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 28, 2020, 11:26:51 am
I agree about Trubisky's pocket presence.. I also look at the offense overall and feel it's like blaming a sinking ship on the lack of life rafts.. Get the Oline fixed and you've taken care of a big part of the problem. The year before, when the O line was playing better, it translated to better play by the QB.. Plus, our O looked much better when Trubisky was using his wheels..

Trubisky had 421 yards rushing in 2018.  193 in 2019.

 Per game that's 30 yards per  game vs 13.  Doesn't seem like a huge amount of yardage per game - just 17.   But that could be enough for 2 or 3 first downs per game.

Why didn't MT run?    Injured?  Or game plan?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on March 28, 2020, 11:47:21 am
I'm assuming game plan, but certainly I have no way of knowing..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 28, 2020, 01:08:15 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/03/former-qb-predicts-bananas-stat-line-for-nick-foles-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR1PbCMsU89JjVPY7ayBCJMPULVaZOqU55AlSbuT1wM-2VdV_6j_c-T2Aj8

Yeah and run by the Monkeys too. Arent they retired yet?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: JeffH on March 29, 2020, 09:36:58 pm
Nagy is a historically awful head coach.  One of the most clueless motherfuckers in the history of the NFL.

No offense to him personally.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 30, 2020, 09:44:34 am
I read this and got confused, I thought Derek Carr was saying this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/28/david-carr-predicts-big-season-for-chicago-bears-quarterback-nick-foles/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2020, 10:11:41 am
How many RG's do we need?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/29/former-all-pro-guard-kelechi-osemele-could-be-upgrade-chicago-bears-need-on-offensive-line/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

I am not enamored with Ifedi. Too many penalties
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on March 31, 2020, 10:22:33 am
Osemele would be a decent gamble, certainly better than Ifedi - who really should be taking Lucas' spot as back up OT.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on March 31, 2020, 10:32:02 am
Osemele would definitely be an upgrade on Ifedi, and would greatly improve our OL depth...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 31, 2020, 11:34:41 am

Cost?  Contract?   Injury status?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2020, 03:17:24 pm
Great piece by Dan Durkin on Nick Foles…

https://theathletic.com/1691763/2020/04/01/how-the-bears-can-game-plan-for-nick-foles-success/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2020, 03:22:36 pm
Details on Foles' contract, per Ian Rapaport...

$24M over 3 years, with 21M still fully guaranteed

$6M available in incentives each year

Every $1 earned of incentives also escalates the following year's salary

Foles can void '21 and '22 if he meets performance-based incentives


So the Bears didn't take on the full Jags contract situation...which makes the price (4th rounder) a little more understandable...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 01, 2020, 08:25:28 pm
The #s on the Files deal look great.  At worst it's a competent backup for 8 million a year. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2020, 10:15:00 pm
Didn’t we pay Daniel 10M?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 01, 2020, 11:28:57 pm
I really do like the Foles signing. He was the best option really available for the price IMO. Glad we passed on Newton....think he's pretty much washed up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 02, 2020, 04:52:09 am
Newton's a head case..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 02, 2020, 08:18:33 am
Tape never lies Nick Foles breakdown:

https://youtu.be/-s2xD65GoZQ
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2020, 08:57:35 am
It's nice to have a QB with as many rings and as many Super Bowl MVP awards as Aaron Rodgers...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 02, 2020, 08:59:16 am
agreed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 02, 2020, 09:25:18 am
I am warming to the Foles signing (https://beargoggleson.com/2020/04/02/comparing-nick-foles-contract-to-other-veteran-qbs/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email) and looking forward to see him start for the Bears after re-watching some of his past success.  But Pace is spending a ton of money to make up for his incompetence at the top of his drafts.
Title: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2020, 10:25:51 am
https://twitter.com/robertkschmitz/status/1245458256585203714?s=21

https://www.youtube.com/embed/FRlu5Ijg4ZY
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 02, 2020, 10:39:41 am
His breakdowns are pretty good to watch...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 03, 2020, 10:20:49 am
From the Suntimes (https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/3/21206904/bears-mitch-trubisky-nick-foles-who-will-start-quarterback-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-free-agency-chicago?tpcc=email-sports)

“We’ve talked to both players,” general manager Ryan Pace said in a teleconference Friday. “The way we view this is, it’s an open competition.”

Coach Matt Nagy said the Bears spoke to Trubisky about the move and “you could feel how much a competitor” he was.

“Mitch is really embracing it,” Nagy said. “He’s had an unbelievable personality throughout it.”

The Bears will play both in preseason games. Nagy said he plans to play starters in the preseason more than he has the past two seasons.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 03, 2020, 10:50:28 am
cool
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on April 03, 2020, 11:39:48 am
  I just read where Pace envisions Ifedi as a guard. I'll go along with that. I don't think he is quick or nimble enough to block in space. Could be decent on the interior of the line?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 03, 2020, 06:21:54 pm

RG is open but he has experience at RT too.  Similar to Coward but with much more experience.

Is competition among Efedi, Bars and Coward enough for Pace to bypass O-line in round 2?

Aside from WR, depth is there at every position. 

The board is wide open for Pace.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 03, 2020, 08:29:02 pm
RG is open but he has experience at RT too.  Similar to Coward but with much more experience.

Is competition among Efedi, Bars and Coward enough for Pace to bypass O-line in round 2?

Aside from WR, depth is there at every position. 

The board is wide open for Pace.
In a perfect world, pace gets a fast WR and a G with the two 2nds.  I like Ifedi as the first backup at multiple positions, but I hope he isn't the starter going into the season.  I really hope we aren't relying on Bars and Coward as anything other than the last couple of OL on the roster.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 03, 2020, 09:04:20 pm
Depends on who falls...if a CB like Diggs or a S like Delpit falls, I take them with little hesitation...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 03, 2020, 11:54:53 pm
The weakest position area of importance is corner.

Unless Tolliver is ready Fullers the only one of starter quality and they’re screwed if he gets hurt.

The say it’s a WR. OT heavy draft.  Definitely need a tackle addition. 

Other position choices make them better but have to stop the bleeding first.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 04, 2020, 05:10:41 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRlu5Ijg4ZY
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 04, 2020, 10:37:55 am
Thats a great video breakdown of the rule of 3 and Quinn.  I sure hope he is right.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 04, 2020, 01:10:39 pm
I think that the Bears are confident that between Tolliver, Roberson and Burns that they are going to turn up a competent #2.  With the pass rush they should have, these guys shouldn't have to cover long.  I think SS is a more pressing need than #2 cb.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 04, 2020, 01:21:38 pm
I think that the Bears are confident that between Tolliver, Roberson and Burns that they are going to turn up a competent #2.  With the pass rush they should have, these guys shouldn't have to cover long.  I think SS is a more pressing need than #2 cb.

I sure hope they’re not, big mistake.

Tolliver played OK for a couple of games but was getting burned deep.  A lot depends on any improvement in camp.
The guy from Canada is an unknown.  Few Canadian league players have seen success. Burns has failed.
I really think they need to add a better option.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 04, 2020, 02:28:42 pm
count me as a big Tolliver fan.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 04, 2020, 03:59:40 pm
I sure hope they’re not, big mistake.

Tolliver played OK for a couple of games but was getting burned deep.  A lot depends on any improvement in camp.
The guy from Canada is an unknown.  Few Canadian league players have seen success. Burns has failed.
I really think they need to add a better option.

I think that the Bears are confident that between Tolliver, Roberson and Burns that they are going to turn up a competent #2.  With the pass rush they should have, these guys shouldn't have to cover long.  I think SS is a more pressing need than #2 cb.

I've stated this on several occassions - from a depth chart point of view we look decent at CB.  We have 3 guys with various backgrounds and concerns that will compete.  Safety doesn't quite have the same depth and would appear to be more of a need early in the draft.

But if you have a hole at corner no rule of 3 pass rush will save you.  Amukamora gave us steady play but not so much in 2019.  He was abused repeatedly for big plays down the field.   I think we need more competition at safety but I think corner is a more critical position.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 08, 2020, 05:12:53 am
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/gm-report/bears-benefit-from-restructuring-of-nick-foles-deal
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 08, 2020, 05:26:42 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/the-1985-bears-were-crowned-as-our-best-nfl-team-ever-why-is-their-legacy-so-strong-160013364.html
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 08, 2020, 09:27:39 am
The details of Foles' contract restructuring are beyond great!

We couldn't expect much better than that...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 13, 2020, 09:24:55 am
Bears/Packers from Week 1 2018 is on NFLN right now...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 14, 2020, 07:14:38 am
Some fantastic news:

Brad Childress has been circling retirement for some time and the former Vikings head coach says that he’s finally reached the point where he’s ready to walk away from football for good.

Childress first said he was retiring in 2018 when he gave up his job as an assistant to Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, but that was a brief absence from the game as he became an advisor to Bears head coach Matt Nagy a short time later. He took a job as a head coach in the Alliance of American Football, but left before the league’s ill-fated inaugural season to return to Chicago.

Childress said in January that he wouldn’t return to the Bears, but didn’t close the door on a similar advisory role for Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski, who broke into the NFL when Childress was the Vikings coach. Childress now says that door is closed.

“People say, ‘Is he really retired? Is he really, really retired?'” Childress said, via Chris Tomasson of the Pioneer Press. “Yeah. Last year was my last year. I just felt like it was time to move on. It’s about time. I put my toe in the water in retirement and pretty soon you’ve got to jump in. It’s more about spending time with my family and grandkids and that type of thing.”

Childress was 39-35 as the Vikings head coach and has coached in the NFL in one form or another since 199.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 17, 2020, 04:49:37 pm
Bears sign OT Jason Spriggs and cut Burton.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2020, 05:30:03 pm
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/17/21222202/chicago-bears-breaking-news-roster-schedule-stats-salary-cap-mitch-trubisky-nick-foles-matt-nagy

Its no surprise but that increases the odds that the Bears go after a TE in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2020, 05:43:28 pm
A comment on Spriggs via NBC Sports Chicago:

Where would they use Spriggs ? He can’t play either Tackle spot,… we saw that. It’s why he isn’t in GB anymore. Maybe at Rt Guard ?

From a Packer fan, obviously. If Spriggs has anything left I think Castillo will get it out of him. This is a coverup for the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 06:41:59 pm
A comment on Spriggs via NBC Sports Chicago:

Where would they use Spriggs ? He can’t play either Tackle spot,… we saw that. It’s why he isn’t in GB anymore. Maybe at Rt Guard ?

From a Packer fan, obviously. If Spriggs has anything left I think Castillo will get it out of him. This is a coverup for the draft.

Spriggs, a former second-round draft pick out of Indiana, was rumored to be a draft target of the Bears in 2016, but the Packers traded up to take him one spot in front of Chicago at 48 overall. That may have prompted Bears’ GM Ryan Pace to trade back and eventually take offensive lineman Cody Whitehair with the 56th overall pick, and Whitehair has been a mainstay on the Bears offensive line by never missing a start in four years.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 17, 2020, 07:51:36 pm
So we've signed 2 failed high draft pick linemen.

If they don't show well in camp. can they be cut or is there a big cap hit?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 08:14:27 pm

Almost every high round free agent that Pace has signed, and there's been a bunch, are on 1 year deals.  I don't think these are big money deals that hurt the cap.  These are guys trying to prove themselves at a discount so they can get that big second contract.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 17, 2020, 08:17:59 pm
Almost every high round free agent that Pace has signed, and there's been a bunch, are on 1 year deals.  I don't think these are big money deals that hurt the cap.  These are guys trying to prove themselves at a discount so they can get that big second contract.

But are the contracts dependent on making the team?

I'm thinking there will be some good late round prospects that may be better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 17, 2020, 08:25:25 pm

Most of these do have heavy guarentees, but the overall deal is not big.  Example Artie Burns signed a 1 year deal for a million or so, but $800K is guarenteed.

Late round picks contributing are few and far between.  I expect the Bears to be real aggressive with the undrafted guys.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 17, 2020, 10:45:20 pm
seems Spriggs was a left tackle at Indiana, but played mostly on right side for Packers. Was injured a lot with Pack & spent all of last year on IR. I like the signing.

JP Holtz signed. Good, he was great at Fullback.

They never should have resigned Cowart, Nagy may be stupid enough to play him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 18, 2020, 05:50:18 am
Spriggs is still 25 and was on IR last season.  This may turn out, and if not, we aren't out much.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 18, 2020, 06:53:05 am
And now for something completely different......  :D

Saw what looked like Thomas Jones playing a bit part on Amazon's "Bosche" last night. Thought that was interesting.......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 19, 2020, 03:29:00 am
seems Spriggs was a left tackle at Indiana, but played mostly on right side for Packers. Was injured a lot with Pack & spent all of last year on IR. I like the signing.

JP Holtz signed. Good, he was great at Fullback.

They never should have resigned Cowart, Nagy may be stupid enough to play him.

I'd like the Bears to sign a true fullback.  Someone that can knock linebackers on their a$$, catch the ball out of the backfield and pick up a 3rd an 1.

As for Coward, yes he struggled.  But he's a converted DE that was shifted to tackle.  He only was inserted at guard after Long was benched last season.  He'll have a year of experience under his belt and a new OL coach.  He's only 25 so he has potential and could provide depth.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2020, 04:59:22 am
the problem with FB is Nagy is resistant to use the I formation. He's wedded to the shotgun & 1 back formation.

Cowart is terrible, he lacks the balance an OL needs. He sucks, accept it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear on April 19, 2020, 03:57:15 pm

Not saying Coward should be penciled in as a starter.  He's only 25 and should be giving a chance to compete for a roster spot.  That roster spot could be RG, RT or a swing player that might be able to play multiple O-line spots.  Maybe practice squad.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2020, 04:42:43 pm
do you keep poison in your kitchen cabinet? No, you get rid of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 19, 2020, 05:16:45 pm
According to Hub Arkush. the coaches are pretty high on Kevin Toliver at CB.

They signed Burns because he is a very good special teams player, not so much for CB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 03:51:53 am

If that's true who is Tolliver's competition?  The Canada guy?  If that's the case Bears are picking a corner in round 2.

You think Burns was told he was brought to Chicago to play special teams or to compete for the open CB job?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 20, 2020, 04:54:46 am
Dallasbear/dallasbear 2 - What is u with your usernames?   ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 20, 2020, 05:40:02 am
If that's true who is Tolliver's competition?  The Canada guy?  If that's the case Bears are picking a corner in round 2.

You think Burns was told he was brought to Chicago to play special teams or to compete for the open CB job?

I think he signed the only contract he was offered since last season he wasn’t on the game day roster
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 12:11:32 pm
Dallasbear/dallasbear 2 - What is u with your usernames?   ;D

It's good unless you see the two usernames having an argument.  As long as they pretty much agree with each other and our civil about it  I agreed they could have the 2 IDs.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 12:18:00 pm
I think he signed the only contract he was offered since last season he wasn’t on the game day roster

Cornerback Artie Burns said at the end of 2019 that he was excited about the prospect of moving on from the Steelers after being on the field for just 66 defensive snaps in the regular season.

Burns has found a team that wants to give him an opportunity for a more productive season. Agent Drew Rosenhaus told PFT that Burns has signed a one-year contract with the Bears.


He signed a minimum deal - I'd bet he had a few other offers though and picked the Bears because of Amukamora's release.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 20, 2020, 02:19:57 pm
chilaborgport,

I heard on Locked On Bears from a Steelers observer a while ago that Burns had the skills to cover Antonio Brown like a glove in practice consistently so much so that they would come to blows.  The key would be to get him to understand his assignments and maybe Pagano could unlock some of that potential.

Then again if CB is BPA early in the draft, then I'm all for solidifying the D...as long as Winfield is also a Bear too :-)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2020, 02:58:44 pm

I really like Winfield.  And I'd consider him in round 2, only because he has traits of both a SS and FS.  7 picks in 2019!

And an argument could be made that safety right now is the weakest position on the team from a talent and depth point of view.   I'd be kind of OK with Bush starting but he and Lucas don't have a whole lot of starting safety experience.  After that you have McManis and maybe Denmark if he moves to safety.

Bears will add a safety in this draft but I don't see chasing a SS in round 2 if he's strictly a SS type.   You can get that guy later.

It may be tough to pass up some good talent in round 2 and drop to late round 2, but there's going to be some good players in round 3.  And I'd like to get a pick in round 4 but I don't think the Bears have the ammo to trade up with the picks they have in round 5, 6(2), and 7(2).
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on April 21, 2020, 09:32:01 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV6YOTf142A
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 21, 2020, 07:07:48 pm
For those of you who like misery and suffering, the 2017 draft is just starting on ESPN2...the Browns are on the clock, and we are about to do the unthinkable...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 22, 2020, 06:10:17 am
Remember years ago when the Vikings were late getting with their pick in a row ? And it happened again the next year too. Now that was hilarious..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 22, 2020, 06:50:40 am
For those of you who like misery and suffering, the 2017 draft is just starting on ESPN2...the Browns are on the clock, and we are about to do the unthinkable...

I would have to rewatch 2 episodes of the Last Dance and Game 6 and 7 of 2016 WS to cancel out how I feel about that moment.  He traded up for what...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on April 25, 2020, 11:14:19 pm
Apparently the Bears signed Macks younger brother.  That **** never works out but they did it just the same.

Remember when they signed Urlachers brother?  Yeah, I expect it to end the same way.  Cut in training camp.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 26, 2020, 08:03:14 am
Cole Kemit pick seems safe.  I think he is future solid starter.  Do not think he will become a superstar.  Every team needs solid starters.  I am ok with the pick.

I really really like the Jaylon Johnson pick.  The guy played the whole season hurt and still played at an elite level.  Seems like a fierce competitor. I think he is a standout in 2 years.

5th rounders.  The highlights of the speedy WR left me unimpressed.  I think he is basically a cheap version of Taylor Gabriel.  A fast player that does not make many catches.  The pass rushing OLB is a project but 5th rounders are usually projects.  Another CB?  I think that is Pagano's influence.

Two OL projects in the 7th I am fine with.  Only objection is I would rather have spent the 5th rounder on Oline instead of CB.

No SS?  Surprising.  Guess they feel really good about Bush.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2020, 08:09:15 am
When I think of Bush I think of Beer not SS.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on April 26, 2020, 08:58:12 am
Apparently the Bears signed Macks younger brother.  That **** never works out but they did it just the same.

Remember when they signed Urlachers brother?  Yeah, I expect it to end the same way.  Cut in training camp.

Didn't someone sign Archie Manning's kids?

More seriously, what in the world do they have to lose?  I doubt that the signing will have a significant effect on the salary cap.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2020, 11:02:36 am
Maybe they can move another CB to SS
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on April 26, 2020, 01:31:20 pm
I've never been a big Pace fan, but given how many picks the Bears had, I thought he did fine.  All eyes are on Mitch now, use it or lose it, you've got a superbowl mvp jabbing a stick up your bottom wanting to start. Unless those last two picks are sleepers I don' see the OL getting much better.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on April 26, 2020, 01:46:10 pm
Archie Mannings kids were a BIT higher ranked me thinks, lol.....bit different....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on April 26, 2020, 04:38:32 pm
The udfa haul this year isn't great either.   Ahmed Wagner switching to U TE is interesting.  RB Artavis Pierce has a shot at the roster because rb is thin.  Dieter Eiselen is big and seems nasty.  The highlights of him destroying ivy league defenders is fun.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 26, 2020, 10:21:01 pm
Maybe they can move another CB to SS

I'm keeping an eye on Stephen Denmark last years's 7th rounder.   He's huge, sub 4.5 40 and 42" vertical.  He's a small school project that I think Bears should be moving to safety.  He got "hurt" in preseason and we never got much of a chance to see him play.

I'm thinking after the cuts we'll see another safety signed.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 27, 2020, 07:51:51 am
...or maybe sign Tony Jefferson at an injury risk incentive laden discount

IMO final TE room will end up being Kmet, Graham, Horstead, Harris, and Stoltz as more of FB.  Raymond maybe on the taxi squad...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 09:02:37 am
I'm keeping an eye on Stephen Denmark last years's 7th rounder.

True, kinda lost and forgotten. I guess we'll just have to look for him come TC. He's kinda like this years crop of UDFAs. I still think we missed the boat not doing a tradedown from 50 to pick up a SS.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 27, 2020, 10:46:12 am
...or maybe sign Tony Jefferson at an injury risk incentive laden discount

IMO final TE room will end up being Kmet, Graham, Horstead, Harris, and Stoltz as more of FB.  Raymond maybe on the taxi squad...

Don't count out Braunecker.  And has Shaheen been released yet?   Still wondering what he could contribute if healthy - but he's probably gone.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 27, 2020, 10:46:55 am
Whoops never mind Raymond...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on April 27, 2020, 11:07:24 am
Don't count out Braunecker.  And has Shaheen been released yet?   Still wondering what he could contribute if healthy - but he's probably gone.

I thought I just read something saying Shaheen is gone... I could be wrong
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2020, 11:13:19 am
I believe it was speculation he was gone. I've not seen it in print.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: VJ on April 28, 2020, 08:42:52 am
McDonough was canned after presiding over 3 championships in the last 10 years.

Dear Virginia and George,

Besides the obsolete undersized spaceship ATM machine by the lake, remind me again why sweaty Teddy still has his job?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 09:53:24 am
He gone:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/27/chicago-bears-release-tight-end-dax-raymond/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on April 28, 2020, 02:55:07 pm
The Bears are bringing back John Jenkins.

He'll provide some nice depth on the DLine...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2020, 09:02:17 pm
Jenkins is a backup for Goldman.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on April 30, 2020, 01:26:21 pm
Say what:

The Bears added someone to catch passes who isn’t a tight end, even though he has hands like a guard.

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Bears have agreed to a one-year deal with veteran receiver Ted Ginn Jr.

They were looking for someone with speed, and the 35-year-old Ginn still has that.

His ability to catch flying things remains suspect, and it remains to be seen if he can still be productive when not playing with an MVP-level quarterback. He had good years in Carolina with Cam Newton, and was an effective complement early on with the Saints and Drew Brees.

Otherwise, the former top-10 pick has been less than consistent in terms of catching the ball, and now he’ll be on the receiving end of passes from (probably) Nick Foles or (maybe) Mitchell Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 01:32:55 pm

He looked pretty good against the Bears last season.  Had a 45 yard catch.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 04:53:45 pm

Bears are signing a bunch of skill guys after the Monday deadline.    If you sign a guy after Monday he doesn't count against the formula for calculating comp picks in 2021.  Right now Bears lost Ha Ha, Kwiatowski, Pierre-Louis but added Quinn.   That formula ends up giving the Bears 2 comp 6th rounders in 2021.

Since that date has passed Bears signed WRs Trevor Davis and Ginn and now Houston safety Tashaun Gipson.  I think he's the favorite to start next to Jackson.

I thought  that the Bears would go corner in the draft early and draft a safety later on, but this works for me.   With the draft and this signing defense looks pretty good with much more depth.  Only questionable depth is at ILB with the unproven Joel Iyiegbuniwe.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on April 30, 2020, 05:09:17 pm
Bears are signing a bunch of skill guys after the Monday deadline.    If you sign a guy after Monday he doesn't count against the formula for calculating comp picks in 2021.  Right now Bears lost Ha Ha, Kwiatowski, Pierre-Louis but added Quinn.   That formula ends up giving the Bears 2 comp 6th rounders in 2021.

Since that date has passed Bears signed WRs Trevor Davis and Ginn and now Houston safety Tashaun Gipson.  I think he's the favorite to start next to Jackson.

I thought  that the Bears would go corner in the draft early and draft a safety later on, but this works for me.   With the draft and this signing defense looks pretty good with much more depth.  Only questionable depth is at ILB with the unproven Joel Iyiegbuniwe.

The only thing he's proven is he can't ply ILB.  Should be easy to plug in a FA vet (Denzel Perryman?) and maybe a rookie to finish the roster.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2020, 05:48:10 pm

I liked the Iggy pick but he may be more suited for a 4-3 as a WLB.  Not all these guys are immediate successes their rookie season.  He came out a year early out of Western Kentucky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2020, 04:17:07 am
Is the loss of Lucas also a comp pick?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2020, 06:54:13 am
I got the safety need when they signed Gipson. What I didnt get is why he has done so much moving around. I have it figured it out is that he wasnt worth the money he was being paid. I am glad to see we didnt overpay him. Can he stick? If he plays like Jane (which I suspect) I kind of doubt it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/4/30/21243367/bears-free-agency-2020-safety-tashaun-gipson-bears-sign-eddie-jackson-deon-bush-ryan-pace-one-year
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2020, 07:07:00 am
Gipson has had two good stints.  Drafted by Cleveland then signed a second contract with Jacksonville and played for 3 years.  Probably overpriced himself and went to the Texans... that and Jacksonville has been slashing payroll.  I think it was a good signing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 01, 2020, 04:22:50 pm
Well on the bright side (maybe) of the draft and all those TEs we won't have to be subjected to Shaheen blocking and running around like his pants are around his ankles....

I'd still fire anyone having anything to do with TEs in Halas Hall. You can't be that bad at a position (unless at QB but that's another discussion) for so long without intentionally trying to screw it up. And when they had one they traded him away (Olsen). Its Ditka curse I guess..... :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2020, 05:29:02 pm

I may be the only one on this board but I think the Bears should keep Shaheen...at least through training camp/preseason. 

His problem has always been health.  And we got him for another season under contract let's give him a shot to see what he can do.

I was not in favor of him being drafted in the 2nd round - too slow and the small school level of competition.  Just not ready to give up on him just yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2020, 05:37:37 pm
I would have to see him in training camp to want to keep him.

He's had so few game opportunities.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on May 01, 2020, 06:25:06 pm
I would like for the Bears to keep Shaheen, at least until someone beats him out in a fair competition when he is healthy.  But I am more optimistic about the kid from the Ivy League.  I think he could be as good a pass catching tight end as the one they gave away for nothing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 02, 2020, 01:08:51 am
Is the loss of Lucas also a comp pick?

I didn't see his name mentioned in the article.  There's some formula someone in the NFL uses based on the contract that the FA signs.

Adds:  Quinn and  Ifedi
Losses:  Clinton-Dix, Kwiatkowski, Pierre-Louis (and Lucas)

Bears get 2 2021 sixth-rounders
 

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 02, 2020, 04:40:39 am
I've heard it reported, I believe on Mully and Haugh, that the Bears are in line to get 3 @ 6th rounders and a 7.  The 7 will go to the Raiders for Pinero... easy come, easy go
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 02, 2020, 12:03:13 pm

Over the cap agrees with that but Si.com is saying 3 6th rounders - I don't think anyone knows for sure because of the secret NFL formula but yeah, 4 total picks in round 6 is good ammo to move up.

I forgot about these 2 FAs that we lost before the deadline:

Adds:  Quinn and  Ifedi
Losses:  Clinton-Dix, Kwiatkowski, Pierre-Louis, Lucas, Chase Daniels and Nick Williams 

Is it too early to look at the 2021 mock draft?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 02, 2020, 03:32:21 pm
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/02/bears-decline-mitch-trubisky-option/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 03, 2020, 12:06:04 pm
Everywhere I read articles talking about Trubisky and his lack of production in his 3rd season. Back in the day, if Joe Montana had this sh!tty O line, no consistent run game, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't have looked like the QB he was. With that said, look at Nagy, he sure as heck isn't the next coming...

Trubisky is taking the fall for a crappy O line, a crappy head coach and a crappy GM..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 03, 2020, 01:16:13 pm
And the fact that Nagy took away for most of the year the thing he did so well, moving and running, and was forcing him to stay in the pocket (which was a suicide mission with our OL), I dont blame Mitch for all of his problems.  Missing wide open WRs with no pressure, well that one is on him. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 03, 2020, 10:11:47 pm

Wasn't Nagy coach of the year his first year and now he's a crappy head coach.  Trubisky and Leno were pro bowlers now they are toilet bowlers.

Everything looks setup for a rebound in 2020.  QB competition, a couple new speedy WRs, a bunch of new DBs, two starting TEs, top flight FA pass rusher...everything in place except the Bears most likely will be starting 4 of the same 5 guys on the offensive line.

Will Ifedi be enough to make them people movers in the run game?  Better focus, better line coaching, and better technique may clean up the pass blocking to be respectable but can they push defenders off the LOS?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 04, 2020, 05:25:50 am
Nagy's "coach of the year" benefited from Fangio's defense.. No Fangio= 8and8
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 04, 2020, 06:23:32 am
IMHO the sum of the parts Fangio/Nagy was better than the sum of the parts with Pagano/Nagy.

I think the team talent-wise was equivalent.

Not sure WTF happened to Hiestand though......
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on May 04, 2020, 07:24:30 am
Didn’t they switch to a zone scheme last year? Maybe these guys are better drive blockers?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 10:20:33 am
Didn’t they switch to a zone scheme last year? Maybe these guys are better drive blockers?

Yup, ding ding ding. exactamente.. Thats why Hiestand had to go. Problema numero uno.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on May 04, 2020, 10:28:44 am
Which is why when they switched to the power I formation in that one drive it worked. I’m sure the reasoning is zone blocking in the run scheme looks a lot like pass blocking which makes the offense look less predictable but if your guys can’t do it then it doesn’t work.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 10:30:30 am
And this popped up on my radar screen. We got this new SS Gipson. Yeah he has experience per Draft wire, agreed. But this scares me.

While Gipson has played most of his career as a free safety, the Bears appear to have confidence that Gipson will thrive in the role as strong safety alongside Jackson, who will return to free safety this season, where he’s been at his best.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/03/five-things-to-know-chicago-bears-safety-tashaun-gipson/

This sent up the warning flags.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 04, 2020, 11:10:44 am
Last season our run game ranked 27th. Yards on the ground were down by 25%. Personnel, play calling.. both.. Look at the Titans with Henry. Their QB is less than stellar..

If Mack doesn't have a better season this year, the trade will go down as Wannstedt like.. And/or Pagano should never be allowed to coach again..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 04, 2020, 12:48:48 pm
IMHO the sum of the parts Fangio/Nagy was better than the sum of the parts with Pagano/Nagy.

I think the team talent-wise was equivalent.

Not sure WTF happened to Hiestand though......

I think defense's decline last year was due to Fangio, Akiem Hick's injury, Amukamora losing a step and the offense.

Poor offense puts more burden on defense.  Worse field position.  If behind in the score the defense has to play more honest.  Also TOP means defense is running out of gas in 4th quarter.

It's all connected.  Just as lack of turnovers on defense results in offense being less productive.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2020, 01:51:20 pm
Hicks' injury was everything to the defense. The difference was night and day.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2020, 02:09:37 pm
I agree because the offense could concentrate on Mack. No factor on the other side (Floyd) horrible and Hicks out with injury
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 04, 2020, 02:59:01 pm
We can hope that our D gets back to form. Foles plays well and maybe a season off will do Trubisky some good (if he somehow stays with the bears).. If the Bears falter, at the least I would expect Pace to be unemployed..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 04, 2020, 05:06:02 pm
I agree because the offense could concentrate on Mack. No factor on the other side (Floyd) horrible and Hicks out with injury

Yes and no.  I think many of us are under the belief that Mack is double/triple teamed every play and that's not the case.  Sure he gets doubled or the half back/TE may try to slow him down before going out on a pattern.  But for the overwhelming majority of the time Mack is not double teamed.

If you watch line play.  You'll see that when the Bears rush 4 (no blitzes) and the offense block with 5 that the center and guard more frequently block one of the interior rushers.  Mack had somewhat of an off year (if you measure success by sacks) because Hicks wasn't around to disrupt the middle force the QB to scramble.  And with Floyd not providing consistent pressure from his side it all meant less sack opportunities for Mack.

If we can keep Hicks, Quinn, Robertson-Harrison, Goldman and Nichols healthy most of the year - Mack will have a huge year.   It also would help for the Bears offense to show up and give these guys a break.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 04, 2020, 11:41:12 pm

First time I've read that Stephen Denmark in the mix at safety:

https://timeskewed.com/2020/05/04/who-will-the-chicago-bears-start-at-strong-safety-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3ZNKf0Ji4vq7URWeuXTbSJn6KyV4qdzuxIQQ191awA-GS05dABrKAty0w
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2020, 09:02:04 am
That is a surprise. That sounds more like he is out at CB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2020, 10:18:22 am
This is a little bit painful to read...by Dan Pompei...

https://theathletic.com/1792322/2020/05/05/what-if-the-bears-had-drafted-joe-montana/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2020, 10:27:54 am
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/2/21245387/bears-mitch-trubisky-fifth-year-option-ryan-pace-quarterback-kyle-fuller-kevin-white-2017-draft

Who gives a rat's butt?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on May 05, 2020, 10:38:04 am
Hey - at least we're not the Bengals
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2020, 10:49:33 am
So whats wrong with that? I think they are getting a very good QB.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2020, 12:01:06 pm
Here's an excerpt from the Pompei article...


In the draft room on the morning of May 3 were team founder George Halas, general manager Jim Finks, assistant to the general manager Bill McGrane, head coach Neill Armstrong, scout Jim Parmer, Tobin and Vainisi.

The Dolphins chose tight end Ronnie Lee with the 65th pick, and the Bears were on the clock. Tobin’s heart started racing. Finks kept telling Tobin it was a lock the Bears would get him in the third round.

Vainisi took the magnet with Montana’s name on it from the bullpen area of the draft board. He placed it with the Bears’ other picks — Dan Hampton, Al Harris and Ricky Watts.
As the Bears neared the end of their allotted time, Finks spoke. “Put him back in the bullpen,” he said, according to Vainisi. “Let’s talk about this some more.”

Bob Avellini had taken the Bears to the playoffs two years before. Finks thought Vince Evans had potential. And the general manager had not given up on Mike Phipps, for whom he had traded a first-round pick. “We would be muddying the waters with another quarterback,” Finks told the others.

Then Finks expressed concern about the depth at running back behind Walter Payton. “Who’s the best running back left?” he asked. Their highest-rated remaining back was Willie McClendon from Georgia.

After some deliberation, Finks announced the Bears were taking McClendon. “Bill Tobin almost had apoplexy,” McGrane said before his death in 2015. “He was beside himself, sick he didn’t get Montana.”

Finks became a Hall of Famer, but it was not a Hall of Fame moment.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 05, 2020, 01:47:20 pm
Everywhere I read articles talking about Trubisky and his lack of production in his 3rd season. Back in the day, if Joe Montana had this sh!tty O line, no consistent run game, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't have looked like the QB he was. With that said, look at Nagy, he sure as heck isn't the next coming...

Trubisky is taking the fall for a crappy O line, a crappy head coach and a crappy GM..

I think too much of the blame has fallen on Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 05, 2020, 02:02:21 pm
I think too much of the blame has fallen on Trubisky.

They're now hoping Foles will save them. Yet either way, Pace looks bad...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 05, 2020, 02:04:14 pm
Here's an excerpt from the Pompei article...


In the draft room on the morning of May 3 were team founder George Halas, general manager Jim Finks, assistant to the general manager Bill McGrane, head coach Neill Armstrong, scout Jim Parmer, Tobin and Vainisi.

The Dolphins chose tight end Ronnie Lee with the 65th pick, and the Bears were on the clock. Tobin’s heart started racing. Finks kept telling Tobin it was a lock the Bears would get him in the third round.

Vainisi took the magnet with Montana’s name on it from the bullpen area of the draft board. He placed it with the Bears’ other picks — Dan Hampton, Al Harris and Ricky Watts.
As the Bears neared the end of their allotted time, Finks spoke. “Put him back in the bullpen,” he said, according to Vainisi. “Let’s talk about this some more.”

Bob Avellini had taken the Bears to the playoffs two years before. Finks thought Vince Evans had potential. And the general manager had not given up on Mike Phipps, for whom he had traded a first-round pick. “We would be muddying the waters with another quarterback,” Finks told the others.

Then Finks expressed concern about the depth at running back behind Walter Payton. “Who’s the best running back left?” he asked. Their highest-rated remaining back was Willie McClendon from Georgia.

After some deliberation, Finks announced the Bears were taking McClendon. “Bill Tobin almost had apoplexy,” McGrane said before his death in 2015. “He was beside himself, sick he didn’t get Montana.”

Finks became a Hall of Famer, but it was not a Hall of Fame moment.


Montana then, and just recently we could've had Mahomes.. Now we're hoping a career backup will save the franchise..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: navigator on May 05, 2020, 02:45:26 pm
Montana likely wouldn’t have been Montana I. Chicago.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 05, 2020, 03:45:57 pm
That is a surprise. That sounds more like he is out at CB.

I was hoping they were considering this move.  He's a project.  Played WR for 3 years at Valdosta State and was moved to CB his last year.  His measurables are off the charts:  6-3 220  4.46 40   43 1/2 vertical

I think he just doesn't have the footwork you need at this stage in his career to compete at corner.  So it appears they are going to try him at safety. 

The best that we can hope for is for him to make the 53 man as a special teamer and some spot playing at SS.  Maybe compete for a starting spot in 2021.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 05, 2020, 03:52:07 pm
I think too much of the blame has fallen on Trubisky.

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I think y'all are blind. He looks like a guy that doesn't have enough game reps... Shocker. That's what he is.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on May 05, 2020, 05:09:41 pm
  I haven't been impressed with Nagy's past performances with regards to his drafts and free agency acquisitions,but,after looking at this years offseason moves,I actually think this team has improved. I haven't seen the typical reaches in FA and the highly questionable decisions in the draft. Other than passing on OT Joshua Jones in the 2nd round I like what I have seen. Improvements from last year at QB,Defensive backfield,linebacking core,TE and WR. I think he solidified OL depth. It's definitely a wait and see proposition,but,I feel better right now heading into the preseason than I did last year at this time.

  On another note if any of you haven't checked out undrafted OG Dieter Eiselen's youtube video maybe you should. I have never seen anyone maul so many defenders he was blocking. Maybe it won't translate to the NFL,but,it's worth checking out.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 06, 2020, 07:13:47 am
Eiselen's main goal seems to be to not only block each player, but to drive him into the ground.  I so want to see him play.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2020, 08:14:38 am
I was worried about this before and this kind of amplifies it. Maybe it isnt going to be a problem, but Gipson isnt the strong safety type and admits it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/5/21248565/bears-free-agent-tashaun-gipson-eddie-jackson-safety-texan-buster-skrine-opportunity-couldnt-pass-by
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2020, 11:35:14 am
This is something I thought about from our draft:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/04/chicago-bears-should-think-about-signing-free-agent-running-back-devonta-freeman-lamar-miller-carlos-hyde/

We are a RB short
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 06, 2020, 12:44:10 pm
I was worried about this before and this kind of amplifies it. Maybe it isnt going to be a problem, but Gipson isnt the strong safety type and admits it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/5/21248565/bears-free-agent-tashaun-gipson-eddie-jackson-safety-texan-buster-skrine-opportunity-couldnt-pass-by

I'll admit there is a difference between SS and FS, but its not like in the old days.  How many times do you see the Bears bring the SS into the box - not very many.

Most of the time both safeties are playing center field.  Gipson has the size and has played SS a couple years in his career. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2020, 04:13:14 pm
Interesting:

Because football is the only major sport that hasn’t been interrupted by the coronavirus pandemic and the NFL has plowed through its offseason as usual, there seems to be an assumption that it’ll continue to do so.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/6/21247177/chicago-bears-2020-schedule-comes-out-thursday-here-is-what-the-nfl-should-do-coronavirus
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 06, 2020, 07:15:22 pm
Interesting:

Because football is the only major sport that hasn’t been interrupted by the coronavirus pandemic and the NFL has plowed through its offseason as usual, there seems to be an assumption that it’ll continue to do so.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/6/21247177/chicago-bears-2020-schedule-comes-out-thursday-here-is-what-the-nfl-should-do-coronavirus

Hope so.. I wish baseball would get going...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: method on May 07, 2020, 07:55:17 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/thegeorgeyou/status/1258150139753050112
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
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I think y'all are blind. He looks like a guy that doesn't have enough game reps... Shocker. That's what he is.

I am not saying that Trubisky deserves no blame.  I was responding to Chifan, basically in agreement.  Nagy was bullheaded and went away from what works too often, offensive line was awful, and the only reliable weapon that the Bears had on offense was Robinson.  Trubisky looked worse than the prior year.  Was he the sole offender to our offense?  No.  Is it being painted that way more so in the media?  Absolutely.  All 4 components caused our offensive ineptitude.

Does that fix it for you?

Now we are going to have some tight ends, but generally, not much was done.  Will changing coaches, an offseason of Nagy self reflection (plug in either Green Bay game and the Dallas game), a journeyman QB, fix everything? 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 07, 2020, 12:37:06 pm
I am not saying that Trubisky deserves no blame.  I was responding to Chifan, basically in agreement.  Nagy was bullheaded and went away from what works too often, offensive line was awful, and the only reliable weapon that the Bears had on offense was Robinson.  Trubisky looked worse than the prior year.  Was he the sole offender to our offense?  No.  Is it being painted that way more so in the media?  Absolutely.  All 4 components caused our offensive ineptitude.

Does that fix it for you?

Now we are going to have some tight ends, but generally, not much was done.  Will changing coaches, an offseason of Nagy self reflection (plug in either Green Bay game and the Dallas game), a journeyman QB, fix everything? 

I agree with ya Griz.. Sh!t show last season and most want to blame Trubisky..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2020, 12:47:53 pm
Trubisky was a mess after he injured his left shoulder. He was never accurate after he returned. It had to affect his throwing. Is he to blame? I think the blame should be on him this year if he begins

the season throwing the same way. With me its a wait and see situation.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 07, 2020, 01:54:51 pm
I believe with Trubisky his accuracy is very suspect. Even with time he has trouble hitting open recievers. Last season was hard to gauge entirely due to the offensive line playing very offensively. He's a true enigma though. He'll hit a guy for a huge gain with a accurate throw but then miss open guys or be WAY off on a throw. I do think it's time to move on from him, personally, but just knowing the crazy history of this team, he'll go somewhere else and blossom.....watch....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 07, 2020, 05:10:03 pm
1st 4 games Lions, Giants, Falcons, Colts.... all very winnable.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 07, 2020, 07:16:03 pm
Trubisky has success when the game is on the line in the last minute. I think some of his problem (besides the obvious), he thinks too much and can't through his reads. He's not going to carry a team. Most QB's don't, only a few. He's athletic and has the arm. But I would agree, if he can't show something this upcoming season then it's time for a change..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 07, 2020, 10:11:48 pm
Yesterday I watched some of the condensed games from last year.

Trubisky could hit pin point pass after pin point pass then under throw the receiver in the end zone for an int.

Maybe he needs a coach who doesn't hug it out with him.

Parcells, Walsh, Holmgren, Sean Payton to name a few didn't baby talk their QB's after big mistakes and they ended up with some great ones.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 07, 2020, 10:57:59 pm
I can defend Trubisky and I can just as easily blame him.

For example, DeShaun Watson has been sacked over 100 times the last 2 seasons.  But his average QB rating is 100 over those same 2 seasons.

On the other hand, Watson had 3 pretty good receives in Hopkins, Fuller and Stills.  And he had a running game.  A 1000 yard rusher and the 9th best running attack averaging 4.6 yards per carry.

Trubisky has to be given a fair chance to beat out Foles, if he can do that and win the starting job then he just has to win games.   No more excuses.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 07, 2020, 11:08:49 pm
Yesterday I watched some of the condensed games from last year.

Trubisky could hit pin point pass after pin point pass then under throw the receiver in the end zone for an int.

Maybe he needs a coach who doesn't hug it out with him.

Parcells, Walsh, Holmgren, Sean Payton to name a few didn't baby talk their QB's after big mistakes and they ended up with some great ones.


Yeah, maybe Nagy is too close to Trubisky.  Sometimes I think Trubisky is so fearful of making a mistake and disappointing Nagy that it slows down his decision making.

 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2020, 08:30:34 am
There is some validity to that. I think the thing thats been ignored is the affect that left shoulder played on Trubisky's accuracy after he came back. I thought I heard he had to wear some harness

under his jersey. If so that had to affect his throwing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 08, 2020, 10:29:33 am

It had to, to some extent.  But I know it cut down on him taking off downfield for extra yardage.

I just don't remember if he wasn't running from the get go or if it dropped after the shoulder injury.

I do remember him running a bit more in a few games later in the season.  Against Dallas was one.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 08, 2020, 12:30:12 pm
He wasn't running before the injury.  I think Nagy wanted him to stay in the pocket and go through his reads. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 08, 2020, 01:12:00 pm
Ironically Mahommes isn't all that great from the pocket either.

He has to improvise to be dominant.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 08, 2020, 07:07:23 pm
Saints released Larry Warford today.  He'd be a massive upgrade over whomever would win the open guard spot.  Get on the phone Pace.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 08, 2020, 07:11:06 pm
We probably have little cap space left  with only $5m after the draft (counting that reserved for draft picks)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2020, 09:41:56 pm
Saints released Larry Warford today.  He'd be a massive upgrade over whomever would win the open guard spot.  Get on the phone Pace.

I wanted him when he came out. Wonder why they released him. Much better than Ifedi.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 08, 2020, 10:09:39 pm

It sure sounds like he was cut for cap reasons.  He had the 2nd highest cap hit behind Brees.  But here is what a New ORleans writer says:

But despite receiving the honor again in 2019, his play sagged noticeably, especially near the end of the season. And his Saints' tenure appeared destined for an end when the team used its top pick on Ruiz in April.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 08, 2020, 10:26:04 pm
There is still some decent cap space to be had by cutting guys who won't be big contributors.  Shaheen and brauneker being cut would net 2.5 million iirc.  Pace could offer Warford 5 or 6 and still be under.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2020, 10:39:26 pm
And Warford coming from New Orleans might make Pace bite.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 09, 2020, 09:43:27 am
I found this too good not to post. It'll pique the interest of every Bears fan

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/07/matt-miller-says-chicago-bears-second-worst-team-in-nfl-2020/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

All I've got to say is if I were Castillo I'd be feeling a lot more pressure.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 10, 2020, 11:54:18 am
Saints released Larry Warford today.  He'd be a massive upgrade over whomever would win the open guard spot.  Get on the phone Pace.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/09/chicago-bears-have-expressed-interest-in-free-agent-guard-larry-warford/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Looks like Pace listened. Wow Impressive! Good job buddy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2020, 07:41:56 am
Not so fast:

The Saints have dropped guard Larry Warford onto the open market. The Bears have dropped their pursuit of him.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bears are not pursuing the three-time Pro Bowler.

It’s unclear whether the Bears were ever officially in on the chase for Warford. They reportedly were considering it. Regardless, they currently are not.

The Texans also have been linked to the 28-year-old Warford, a third-round pick of the Lions in 2013. Warford signed with the Saints in 2017. He started 44 of 48 regular-season games in New Orleans, with five playoff starts.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 08:00:42 am
Gotcha. Waiting for the price to come down? Or he wants mo money than they can afford? Uh likely.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 11, 2020, 08:54:44 am
Don't think he'll accept a 1 year prove it deal for veteran minimum.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 09:28:04 am
Ding, ding, ding.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 09:32:08 am
Read at your own discretion

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/10/chicago-bears-running-back-artavis-pierce-capable-backup-for-run-game/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Sounds too good to be true. Count me skeptical.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 11, 2020, 10:58:12 am
LOL, why would Warford accept a 1 year, prove it deal?

He's better than that.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 11, 2020, 11:08:31 am

Of course he is.  Bears were probably only willing to pay for a 1 year deal.

I'm sure another team will offer him something bigger and more long term.  Saints kind of screwed him waiting so late to cut him.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 02:30:30 pm
Yeah the Saints will regret it...they screwed the pooch.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 02:35:41 pm
Read and weep. I am skeptical of this too:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pro-football-focus-2020-season-153051651.html

7-9? I sure hope not. Might be a market for replacement of broken TV's
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 11, 2020, 03:10:36 pm
I think if you are predicting the Bears to further regress against a potentially weaker schedule, that would not spell a good situation for Nagy.  They did more to improve the defense than the offense, banking on the coaches on the offensive side to make a difference.  Graham is on the decline, but better than what we had last season.  Kmet better be the goods, and Castillo better coach his tail off.  but I don't see them getting worse.

One thing in our favor is the first month schedule.  If we can win the games we are supposed to win and steal one, confidence is everything in a much better season.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2020, 04:00:03 pm
but I don't see them getting worse.

Me either. Not unless we have a mass collapse of the OLine.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 11, 2020, 04:34:54 pm
but I don't see them getting worse.

Me either. Not unless we have a mass collapse of the OLine.

The o line wouldn't have to collapse, just play like it did last year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on May 11, 2020, 06:05:52 pm
All depends on the QB situation as well as the Oline. We got Foles but him looking out his earhole on the ground won't win many games.....not sure they improved enough on O to make some serious noise....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on May 11, 2020, 08:39:28 pm
The o line wouldn't have to collapse, just play like it did last year.

Last year, the o line collapsed.  if they play the same way this year, it is collapse redux.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: octagon on May 12, 2020, 03:07:54 pm
Warford is reportedly looking for 7 million.  I can see where that might be too much unless bears make some cuts.  I'm a little surprised that 7 million is keeping teams from signing him.  I expected Warford to sign faster, I hope pace keeps in touch in case there is a price drop.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2020, 06:32:43 pm
Me too.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2020, 06:34:31 pm
my favorite UDFA this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXtQe2Ot5LM
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on May 12, 2020, 07:01:24 pm
Saw a couple of his college games and he is a good pick up.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2020, 09:53:04 am
Well cases could  be made for others too:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/14/ranking-7-chicago-bears-under-the-most-pressure-in-2020/

They certainly got #1 and #2 right, and one left out was Juan Castillo. He has the dubious task of making the Oline productive. Other cases could be made also
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on May 18, 2020, 04:15:44 pm
Just something to keep the boredom away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPyB3IkoVI
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2020, 09:44:22 am
This is interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/18/chicago-bears-winners-losers-following-2020-offseason/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2020, 09:33:01 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/19/2020-chicago-bears-unofficial-post-draft-depth-chart/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 20, 2020, 10:14:46 am
https://theathletic.com/1821320/2020/05/19/how-arlington-hambright-went-from-being-an-unknown-to-a-bears-draft-pick/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 21, 2020, 05:02:47 pm
Pompei on Kyle Long, and the hell he went thru, and his drive to play thru the pain...he was a great Bear!


https://theathletic.com/1825706/2020/05/21/a-freakin-warrior-at-30-kyle-long-carries-the-scars-of-his-bears-career/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2020, 09:19:25 am
Here is the season in the nut shell:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/22/things-that-need-to-happen-for-chicago-bears-success-in-2020/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on May 23, 2020, 02:18:27 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/05/robert-quinn-is-a-predator-and-expert-says-bears-getting-him-is-unfair/?fbclid=IwAR1m-HbFRPCtU3HKOkA4Y9Ra8JNfjCj8vksUKwXh2Gkhd3GRYJeKU_KMV6A
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2020, 09:13:13 am
https://theathletic.com/1838507/2020/05/27/how-dieter-eiselens-football-journey-took-him-from-south-africa-to-the-bears/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on May 27, 2020, 03:09:48 pm
https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AH3zJ0YxW3_SXs5zeA0AILZFl5s?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADvuuwAzfCmCTgpghbyy9F-_JjIoYsPqFqMZLtA0mKDsYPpmnnhgHd686Am_gtRUjT8NOpmLh2NZuL3StUMsptttZzakwNrVkxLtB-QtLDyQPI7KU0_44bggPHpIqaWawuWYhsHAYBqXF4B3mr_mvmyuSexwxWSoLavgrDxaP8mM

ooops! Hold the phone. Hold everything. Shock City.

Wright believes the Bears will win 12 games and clinch the division in Week 17 with a win over the hated Packers. According to the graphic, Wright also has Chicago as the No. 1 seed in the NFC.

Call Ripleys
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on May 30, 2020, 11:09:40 am
For that to happen, Aaron Rodgers would need to get hurt and the Vikings be decimated with injuries. The Bears have much to prove before I would think they would take the division. But, I guess you never know. If the Bears falter, I look for Pace to be fired.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 04, 2020, 12:19:34 am
the tope never lies, Ifedi is #65 right tackle -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XadSBlgr4
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 04, 2020, 09:02:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ4u9-NKnBM&t=777s
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2020, 08:54:47 am
I see Foles fav target was #17. Hmmm
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2020, 09:22:23 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/04/chicago-bears-allen-robinson-has-been-working-with-mitchell-trubisky-four-times-a-week/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

At least somebody is working out with Mitch.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2020, 03:33:00 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/06/chicago-bears-were-most-excited-to-see-in-2020/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 07, 2020, 07:14:36 pm

All valid players to watch no doubt but what about Germain Ifedi.  Aside from QB the offensive line was the most maligned in 2019.  This is the only change that will most likely occur on the O-line.  Maybe Alex Bars also.

And I'm also interested in a couple of the 5th round rookies -    

Trevis Gipson can he be part of the rotation (Bears had Mack and Floyd play too many snaps).

Darnell Mooney can he also get some substantial snaps to add his speed to what was looking like a bunch of possession receivers types with Gabriel let go.  Ginn may impact Mooney's playing time.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 07, 2020, 11:47:25 pm
the tape never lies video on Ifedi was surprisingly positive.

You can't really count too much on 5th rounders to do much their rookie year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 08, 2020, 07:59:58 am
I agree with Dallas about Ifedi. He should be key to success this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 08, 2020, 02:55:47 pm
the tape never lies video on Ifedi was surprisingly positive.

You can't really count too much on 5th rounders to do much their rookie year.

I saw the tape and I saw a player that was inconsistent as a RT.  I think his skills translate much better inside, but you never know he might have to challenge Massie if he struggles.

As for the rookies, I don't count on any of them starting until I see what they can do.  And yes, 5th rounders have more warts than first or second rounders.  But these 2 and even Kindle Vildor (sounds like a character out of Star Wars) have some skills that might surprise.  I think Gipson may have the best shot at some rotational playing time but at this point we know nothing.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 14, 2020, 10:44:21 pm

Did Trubisky's left shoulder injury hinder his play last year:  https://sportsmockery.com/2020/06/mitch-trubisky-shoulder-was-a-bigger-problem-than-bears-let-on/?fbclid=IwAR0jhgq_K4SK7xb5rIuBgeW1IRaySiktIFveRMmGcP2WWiVxeyjJ4EZS6JY
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 14, 2020, 11:03:12 pm
Of course it was!  I have no doubt it was part of the problem. 

The question is can he be a franchise QB when it is healthy and even if he can be, can he stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 15, 2020, 04:30:10 am
having a crappy offensive line didn't help.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 15, 2020, 09:28:59 am
having a crappy offensive line didn't help.

DeShaun Watson had a crappy 'pass' blocking line - Texans O-line gave up about the same number of sacks as the Bears.  But Watson still had a 98 pass rating.

Difference was that the crappy Texans O-line could run block - they had a 1000 yard rusher (4.4 y/c).   Texans also had 3 quality wide receivers including one of the best in the NFL in Deandre Hopkins.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 15, 2020, 11:01:51 am
Dallas - That second point is spot on.  Quality of targets, is much better.  Without Hopkins, it will be interesting to see how well Watson fares.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 17, 2020, 06:59:34 pm
You get past Robinson and the targets get slim..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BillSharp on June 18, 2020, 03:02:20 am
the guy I liked in preseason at wr was that kid from Colgate Thomas Ives. Tall & fast. Was more impressed with him than guys we drafted like Ridley.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 20, 2020, 06:28:52 pm
Anyone see/listen to the recent lengthy interviews with the Bears offense coaching staff?

If so what were your impressions?  I haven't listened because there are several hours of interviews
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Pekin on June 20, 2020, 07:04:04 pm
I don't see what the point is.  They aren't practicing so how do the coaches know anything about their players?

All of the articles being written are just throwing **** against the wall because no one knows anything including if they are going to actually play the games.

The NFLPA just came out and told the players to stop working out together on their own.

I think the season is circling the drain.  I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 21, 2020, 12:06:08 am
I’m sure the coaches have carefully studied each players film and developed their strategy.

It’s not like they only work on what they see in mini camps.

As you say, it looks more of a long shot every day that there will be a 2020 season
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 21, 2020, 02:59:23 am
Right now, football is the furthest thing from my mind. Our nation is melting down before our eyes. We have a hugely critical election coming in November, we still have a virus out there, racial protests with rioting and destruction is hitting everywhere, our economy is in terrible shape with millions and millions unemployed and the ignorant Democrats want to get rid of our police! These are unprecented times and there's just no room to even begin to think about a game....I've spent a lot of my time praying.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 21, 2020, 03:24:29 pm
Right now, football is the furthest thing from my mind. Our nation is melting down before our eyes. We have a hugely critical election coming in November, we still have a virus out there, racial protests with rioting and destruction is hitting everywhere, our economy is in terrible shape with millions and millions unemployed and the ignorant Democrats want to get rid of our police! These are unprecented times and there's just no room to even begin to think about a game....I've spent a lot of my time praying.

Sportster

i can't disagree with anything you said.  But I think America needs sports now.  Assuming it can be brought back somewhat safely.   Everyone and especially the media is so hyper focused on all these events of the day.  We need a bit of a distraction now and then to keep our sanity.  Not minimizing any of what's happening today but we could use a break.  It's all just so depressing - it's like every day is a Monday after a loss to the Packers on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on June 21, 2020, 04:49:47 pm
Turn off the social media, the "news" and live a day without them.... for some folks its hard but life is so much better without all the negativity flying around (both real and perceived).

We think times are bad (and they have been better for sure) but its never as bad as the "media" wants to portray it. Remember "if it bleeds it leads."......

Life is good. Enjoy it. We'll all know the other side of life soon enough ! :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 22, 2020, 12:12:04 am
Turn off the social media, the "news" and live a day without them.... for some folks its hard but life is so much better without all the negativity flying around (both real and perceived).

We think times are bad (and they have been better for sure) but its never as bad as the "media" wants to portray it. Remember "if it bleeds it leads."......

Life is good. Enjoy it. We'll all know the other side of life soon enough ! :D

Bears4Ever

I'm taking your advice tonight - no  CNN and no Fox News. 
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on June 22, 2020, 11:14:41 am
I do agree sports is important and man, do we ever need distraction from this year. I do hope football is played and things settle down a lot between now and then but with this election I think it's actually going to get....worse....sadly.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 22, 2020, 11:43:39 am
I agree, I would not be surprised to see things get worse. People talk of a civil war, almost as if one has already started.. If and when the season starts, if there is kneeling, count me out.. I would be willing to bet that the kneeling will be just the beginning. They will look to politicize the NFL to fit the leftist agenda. I've done without sports for 4 months, and every day that goes by I learn to miss it less and less..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Dave23 on June 22, 2020, 01:39:30 pm
I agree, I would not be surprised to see things get worse. People talk of a civil war, almost as if one has already started.. If and when the season starts, if there is kneeling, count me out.. I would be willing to bet that the kneeling will be just the beginning. They will look to politicize the NFL to fit the leftist agenda. I've done without sports for 4 months, and every day that goes by I learn to miss it less and less..

You might as well start making alternate plans...I'm betting there's more kneeling than not kneeling.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 22, 2020, 01:55:24 pm
You might as well start making alternate plans...I'm betting there's more kneeling than not kneeling.

If they would set aside a minute of silence for kneeling before or after the anthem I think they would get wide support.

Kneeling during the anthem will always be a problem.


Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: boogie on June 22, 2020, 01:57:59 pm
If they would set aside a minute of silence for kneeling before or after the anthem I think they would get wide support.

Kneeling during the anthem will always be a problem.

I agree 100%
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 22, 2020, 07:02:52 pm
almost as if one has already started.

In a way, it really has already started.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on June 22, 2020, 07:10:49 pm
You might as well start making alternate plans...I'm betting there's more kneeling than not kneeling.

I agree..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 24, 2020, 09:19:06 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/22/6-chicago-bears-that-should-take-a-major-step-forward-in-2020/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline

Yup, good call
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 24, 2020, 02:43:41 pm

Damn, lots of big names out there, especially guards.

I'm thinking we need to sign a backup OLB.  Not to confident that Mingo (look at his recent numbers) and the 5th rounder Gipson are viable backups for Mack and Quinn.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on June 24, 2020, 03:20:04 pm
The personnel upfront right now for the Bear don't inspire confidence for a playoff run IMO. The Bear needs to get some more horses up front.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 24, 2020, 04:48:24 pm

You mean O-line?

I think we'll be OK at guard with Ifeddi.  Leno has to return to 2018 form when he made the pro bowl.  Massie is OK - you'd like  get more out of him as a run blocker.  He's here this year due to his contract but probably not next year for the same reason.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on June 25, 2020, 06:29:38 pm
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/06/chicago-bears-coach-insists-not-to-overlook-forgotten-draft-pick/
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 25, 2020, 06:53:06 pm
I hope board members dont sleep on this kid. I hope he makes the roster. We need to develop kids like this.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/6/23/21300582/2020-nfl-draft-chicago-bears-seventh-round-lachavious-simmons-offensive-lineman-tennessee-state

I see the fluff has begun.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on June 26, 2020, 01:08:13 am
https://sportsmockery.com/2020/06/chicago-bears-coach-insists-not-to-overlook-forgotten-draft-pick/

Just the other day I read a quote which I think came from Deshea Townsend talking about the depth at CB behind Fuller, the rookie Johnson, Tolliver, Artie Burns and the Canadien Roberson.  No mention of Denmark.  So I'm thinking maybe there are moving him to safety.  Now this. 

I've often brought up the freakish ability of Denmark before - hopefully he makes the team as a corner, safety, or at least a special teamer.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 28, 2020, 02:17:30 pm
The 2020 training camp hasnt even begun, yet read this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/25/chicago-bears-select-georgia-quarterback-jamie-newman-in-new-2021-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos3headline

Crazy!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 29, 2020, 09:22:21 pm
This doesnt sound very promising for the season

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/6/29/21307182/bears-offer-refunds-on-2020-season-tickets-because-of-coronavirus-concerns
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: 46 on June 29, 2020, 11:32:03 pm
Im all for not playing. The world won’t change
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on June 30, 2020, 06:48:04 am
Life goes on... unfortunately it has been come politically charged to keep even something that we use to get away from it all from being politically charged....

I'm hopeful the season goes on, but even if it does, there will be pressure to close it again when folks start getting sick again (and they will- as they always have) and the "bubble wrap" folk will take control once again.....

Live life as fearlessly as you feel you need to. I refuse to live in fear (and if I die so be it). But I also know many others will not feel the same way and can respect that as well....

I also wonder if the season (as long as it goes on) will feel like a bunch of pre-season games (not much practice going on). That could be amusing but also frustrating as well.

The best bet is to make alternate (and changeable) plans for Sundays this fall unfortunately....
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: BearHit on June 30, 2020, 09:13:33 am
ROBOT FOOTBALL PLEASE
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on June 30, 2020, 10:47:47 am
LOL
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Sportster on July 02, 2020, 06:43:56 pm
So, word is the NFL is going to play the "black national anthem" at each game of the start of the season. The what?? So now they have their own anthem?? Never heard of 'juneteenth' which they now want to make a holiday in place of Columbus day and now this. Let me get this straight....they want equality but now they have their OWN anthem and their own holiday? What's next?? This isn't equality. Equality is ONE anthem for ONE people. This is segregation, more division. I'm not watching the NFL this season if they're going full on political. Forget it. Either we ARE one, this nation, or we're divided, seperate.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: hibernationsuxs on July 02, 2020, 08:48:16 pm
I just hope that one guy has the balls to kneel during it!
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 02, 2020, 10:58:23 pm

Playing the "Black National Anthem" does nothing...changes nothing.  Just as effective as someone spray painting BLM on a wall or statue. 

Instead the NFL should be working with programs to help blacks truly in need.  And they may already be doing this.

But playing this anthem is just a publicity stunt to appease the black NFL players and fans.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 02, 2020, 11:46:58 pm
Most games don’t televise the anthem so it will be interesting to see if they change.  According to espn it’s week one only.

I’ve watched parts of 3 Seahawks games from last year and focused on Ifedi.
He has nimble feet and stays in front of his man in pass protect but looks soft as a marshmallow run blocking.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 03, 2020, 02:06:09 am
Most games don’t televise the anthem so it will be interesting to see if they change.  According to espn it’s week one only.

I’ve watched parts of 3 Seahawks games from last year and focused on Ifedi.
He has nimble feet and stays in front of his man in pass protect but looks soft as a marshmallow run blocking.

True.  And if there are no fans in the stands for the first game or first few games then who hears the additional anthem if the TV viewers don't?

As for Ifedi,  I have read that his problems were pass blocking and penalties.  The opposite of what you are saying.

Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 04, 2020, 07:33:59 am
  To get off topic a bit,if the Washington Redskin's organization feels obligated to changing their name I suggest The Washington Warriors.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 04, 2020, 07:57:35 am
Washington Communists
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 04, 2020, 08:04:21 am
I give Snyder credit for standing his ground. I'm sure he'll give in at some point. Why should the Cleveland Indians have to change their  name. Isn't that name supposed to represent strong, tenacious? What the heck is wrong with that...
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 04, 2020, 09:19:28 am
The Washington "I Don't Give Two Shits" for me :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: dallasbear2 on July 04, 2020, 04:26:32 pm
  To get off topic a bit,if the Washington Redskin's organization feels obligated to changing their name I suggest The Washington Warriors.

And what would that logo and mascot look like? 

And in Dallas, since cowboys are known for their battles with American Indians, plus the name does not include females.  A new name being considered  is the Dallas Cowpies.  Why not, everthing else is going to shiit.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 04, 2020, 06:48:02 pm
 Believe me,I'm with you guys. I can't stand political correctness.It seems like most NFL execs are caving.I gave up baseball and basketball. Probably next is football.At least Warriors can't be identified by a race. They could still keep the emblems on their helmets.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: wmljohn on July 05, 2020, 09:45:05 am
I have always said they can keep the name the Redskins.  Why change it?  Just add potato to the end of it.  Change the Logo and go back to the old R logo.

(https://www.logolynx.com/images/logolynx/s_16/1613a848d1b475ba6ea547996f184580.jpeg)
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 05, 2020, 10:36:13 am
That is a strangely common-sense approach to  something that is complete nonsense. If that makes any sense :D
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 05, 2020, 11:29:14 am
It's only the extreme left that wants things like this.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 05, 2020, 11:30:23 am
Pretty soon the Bears will have to change their name to the "paperclips".. You know, so we don't offend animals..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: chifaninva on July 05, 2020, 11:43:20 am
I see Rivera is pushing for a name change. If the name bothered him so much why did he take the job..

I think I like "The Jellyfish".. Since they're a bunch of spineless fukks..
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: joki13 on July 05, 2020, 12:00:05 pm
  The Washington Swamp! The logo could look like a steaming pile of turds.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davebear on July 05, 2020, 01:40:49 pm
Do the Raiders and Vikings make Scandinavians look bad?
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: davep on July 05, 2020, 09:48:31 pm
.At least Warriors can't be identified by a race. They could still keep the emblems on their helmets.


I assume that you are too young to know that the he Marquette Golden Eagles, were formerly known as the Marquette Warriors, before political correctness took over.
Title: Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2020, 06:46:10 am
excellent point