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Title: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 08, 2021, 12:55:34 pm
Todd McShay (ESPN) has the Bears taking WR Elijah Moore (Ole Miss) at #20. He assumes Allen Robinson will leave via FA.

Oddly enough, he has QB's taken on both sides of the pick, with Trey Lance going to Washington at #19 and Mac Jones to Indy at #21.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2021, 01:54:34 pm
Personally losing ARob has been on my mind. I think he is a goner. I absolutely know nothing about the Ole Miss receiver because I havent seen him but one receiver I've seen is the Georgia WR. He's pretty good and he might be available much later. And I am not willing to gamble on any WR till after the combine tapes them. Its just too early to be choosing a WR. OLine and QB are more interesting decisions to make first.  I saw one mock that had the Bears taking an Olineman from USC I think it was. I havent seen him either. A Leno replacement has to be #1 priority. Build the trenches.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on January 08, 2021, 02:02:00 pm
OL all day before a WR.  And QB before WR also.  As talented as Robinson is, he has his flaws, like not always putting effort in on blocking. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 08, 2021, 02:03:15 pm
I still have hopes that A-Rob will return.  I understand the team's cap issues - maybe they need to make some cuts or re-do some deals.

And keeping A-Rob means the Bears can target a lineman or QB in round 1 and 2.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 08, 2021, 02:08:34 pm
I am not sure how good this guy is but it seems like maybe a later round pick, but the guy seems like a winner though underrated. But I sure liked the Iowa State QB Purdy
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on January 08, 2021, 03:43:54 pm
A lot depends on what they will do with the cap next year.

Some believe it will be cut 20% which won't leave a lot of teams signing FA.

There could be a lot of starters released for cap reasons.  A Rob may not find a contract even to match the Bears' offer elsewhere.

Some analysts are saying half the teams could be looking for a QB.  There's a fat chance there won't be one available.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 08, 2021, 06:19:34 pm
OL absolute must.  LT #1 pick or bust!!!!
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2021, 02:01:29 am
Watching this line all season long...and last year all season long.....and.... anyway, if they don't target LT first and foremost unless some magical creature QB that can raise the
Titanic is sitting there....well....that wouldn't be good....it would be rather stupid.... it would be the Bears...

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT9DPhONuz1SpCONiM/200.gif)

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 09, 2021, 07:24:11 pm
Somebody else's opinion:

https://newarena.com/nfl/early-2021-nfl-mock-draft-features-some-franchise-changing-prospects/20/?amxt=ref_inview_7
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 09, 2021, 08:18:42 pm
Two strikes against Davis...

1) heís more a guard than a tackle

2) his grandfather is Packers royalty (Willie Davis)
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on January 09, 2021, 10:13:57 pm
Yes heís a right guard.
We already have 3 good guards.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 10, 2021, 07:09:34 pm
Bears will have the 20th pick...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: otto105 on January 10, 2021, 07:34:55 pm
The bears will have to draft/FA a QB this year as there is no way Mitch is back. The bears took possession of the ball with about 1:30 on clock at end of first half. The Saints had just one TO left. Bears run on first down and Saints use last TO which means the bears own the clock. No passes attempted, no faith in either Mitch or play calls in a 3-7 game were Chicago gets ball to start second half.

Mitch will be a FA.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2021, 08:15:42 pm
He should be a FA and gone but that's probably not what will happen I'm guessing. He sure ain't the future of this club at QB! So they'll have to get a QB in the draft.....again.....(and again and again and... ::)). The Bears since 2011 have drafted only three QBs, something I find stunning considering their decades long quality deficit at that position. Trubisky in 17', David Fales (and he did....) in 14' and Nathan Enderle (he indeed ended early...) in 11'. But they seriously 'Fale' in FA....of which they've had a bunch of QBs. Chase Daniel, Cutler which may be 'half' a success, Matt Barkley (??), Brian Hoyer ( some of these guys I don't even remember...), Jimmy Clausen, Josh McCown, Jason Campbell (??) and Caleb Hanie...all since 2011. ::) What a cluster....how anyone can find a shard of hope for the future out of simply looking at the nightmare past is beyond me. It's a train wreck.....
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on January 12, 2021, 08:47:26 am
Ted simply has to go if the Bear wants to win football games.  If you want the McCaskey money managed and maximized, you keep Ted. He isn't a football guy, never was. Again, this has on the football game side been since Muggs died. Get Ozzie in  let him alone for a couple of years and see what happens. IMO the NFL has simply gotten completely stupid with pretty much everything
and now they want me to be enthusiastic about flag football/cardboard cutouts in the camera range/pumped in noise/protests.  No.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2021, 09:28:34 am
Another opinion....this one from a very respected guy:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/10/todd-mcshays-2021-mock-draft-is-a-disaster-for-the-chicago-bears/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 13, 2021, 11:03:25 am
We don't know what will be available at 20. There are always surprise risers and fallers.

That said, I would not take QB at 20 unless there was a surprise drop. Lance is raw and has not played elite competition.
Jones is accurate but not mobile, which probably makes him a better Nick Foles, IMO. For comparison, Tua graded higher. He might get replaced in Miami.
I do think we should draft a QB, it is a deep draft. I personally like Kellen Mond as a draft and develop. But not round 1.

I also dislike the Moore pick. A 1st round WR should be your #1 and in most cases, your #1 should be a bigger, high-point WR like A-Rob.

This draft is deep in OL. Christian Darrisaw, Rashawn Slater, etc. There are half a dozen that would be worth our pick. Grade them out and take the highest grade available.


Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: method on January 13, 2021, 11:33:56 am
Iím selling out this draft for Zach Wilson and offensive line.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 13, 2021, 11:56:26 am
You won't catch me badmouthing Elijah Moore. He's a great WR, and had a great season and career at Ole Miss. He will be a stud for someone.

I don't want him in the 1st round either. Our pick has to be a QB or an OT.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2021, 12:25:28 pm
Sadly it's looking more and more like they're going to lose ARob, which honestly they just can't let happen. Not sure if they can tag him or what but if so they should....
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on January 13, 2021, 12:39:10 pm
Sadly it's looking more and more like they're going to lose ARob, which honestly they just can't let happen. Not sure if they can tag him or what but if so they should....

Theyíre $2mil over next years expected salary cap before signing anyone.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on January 13, 2021, 01:16:19 pm
They can tag him.  I don't think they will but they can if they want.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 16, 2021, 07:46:52 pm
An example of what I would do, no trades included:

1. Sam Cosmi, OT Texas
2. Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR USC
3. Tyreke Smith, Edge Ohio St.
5. Kellen Mond, QB Texas A&M
6. Bubba Bolden, S Miami
6. Paddy Fisher, ILB Northwestern

Cosmi immediately takes over for Leno. At 6 '7', he has length advantage. He also might be best pass protector in draft not named Penei. Bars kicks out to RT to replace Massie.

Brown replaces Miller as essentially the #3.
A-Rob is re-signed. We will also find a WR in FA to replace Wims.

Smith begins as depth but will be groomed to replace Quinn.

Mond steps into the #2/#3 QB slot.  Exactly where depends on what happens with Foles/starter.

Bolden  starts as a depth piece at S, but could win the starting job alongside Jackson.

Fisher is a low-cost flyer on a guy who was once looked at in Dylan Moses territory.
Trevathan replacement in the making.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on January 16, 2021, 10:38:26 pm
Paddy Fischer had 402 tackles at Northwestern. Problem with Paddy is he never improved, his 1st 2 years better than his last 2 years. Northwestern's other ILB, Gallagher, was also pretty good.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on January 17, 2021, 07:18:43 am
The offensive line has to be priority. I'd draft more than one lineman....
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2021, 11:32:35 am
Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere...apparently there will be no combine this year.

Team scouts will have to rely on pro days and game film.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on January 20, 2021, 11:40:01 am
I thought they were going to do more regional workout things in smaller groups.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2021, 03:27:36 pm
Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere...apparently there will be no combine this year.

Thats bad news. Pro days never impress me.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 21, 2021, 11:30:37 am
Anybody any good in this bunch? 2 Domers and 2 Bama guys. Nor do all these guys stick and play either. And not all these players are OTs:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-senior-bowl-offensive-line-roster/
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 21, 2021, 02:46:28 pm
Banks is a beast. ND's first option for the running game was to run behind him and Eichenberg.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 21, 2021, 03:20:22 pm
What would everyone say are our biggest needs?

Offense: QB, LT, RT, C, WR

Defense: CB, SS, ILB, DE, OLB
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 21, 2021, 03:48:46 pm

QB is #1.   Now that could be either through the draft, trade or free agency.

After that, it's WR, IF A-Rob walks.  If he's retained, Bears need an offensive tackle.  It's going to be tough to replace Leno at LT, so it might be a RT that might eventually slide to LT.

Defensively, SS stands out.  Its a big need since we don't have one.  However, it doesn't need to be addressed with a top pick.  Maybe a 5th rounder coupled with a FA.  Maybe bring back Gipson.

A corner would be nice.  May be one that could replace Skrine and eventually replace Fuller.  I liked what I saw in Vildor, not as much with Shelley.  But both are young.

Quinn is going to be back because of his cap.  And we'll get to see more of the other Gipson.  We've got so much money invested in OLB, but that's the most important position on defense.

Teams typically don't spend high draft picks on 3-4 ILBs.  We need to find one somehow to replace Trevathan...possibly.  He's good on running downs but can be exposed on passing downs.

3-4 lineman.  Jenkins, Robertson-Harris and Urban are FAs - they will need to be replaced.  Hicks, goldman and Nichols return.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: method on January 21, 2021, 03:57:08 pm
QB, LT, LG, C, RG, RT
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 21, 2021, 04:26:27 pm
haha. A true pro there
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on January 22, 2021, 05:18:34 am
"It's going to be tough to replace Leno at LT".....sorry just spit the coffee out of my mouth.  Good grief, have you ever watched the Tape Never Lies?????
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 22, 2021, 08:31:27 am
QB, LT, RT, WR, LB
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 22, 2021, 08:35:38 am
Daniels looked really good before he got hurt. Whitehair is good at G, not so good at C.
We could upgrade on Mustipher at C, but I'm more concerned about our lack of playmakers at WR and Trevathan's decline.
Those are holes that have to be addressed.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on January 22, 2021, 08:48:00 am
Left tackle, right tackle, center. Then CB, S, WR, and ILB.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2021, 10:51:08 am
No Thanks to this draft:

We already moved up to grab a QB with only one years experience.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/20/new-2021-mock-draft-has-bears-making-aggressive-trade-for-qb/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2021, 11:02:46 am
The Bears currently have 30 players set to hit the free-agent market.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/21/chicago-bears-rolled-over-roughly-seven-million-2021-salary-cap-space/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

That doesnt bode well
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2021, 11:20:53 am
So we are going to fill 30 positions with 6 draft picks and 10 million cap? I dont think so.

QB, LT, LG, C, RG, RT

I dont see that draft working nor do I see the Bears trading up in the 1st for a QB. Just too many holes.

With that knowledge I'd expect the Bears to promote Bray to 1st string
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on January 22, 2021, 11:34:33 am
I bet they trade back for more picks before they will trade up.

Probably resign Mitch to a bonus laden contract and go with Mith and Foles next year.  Get a project QB later in the draft.  Work on linemen in this draft.

That is just my guessing.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2021, 12:00:35 pm
Trading out of the 1st sounds very likely. 30 players to replace sounds just to prohibitive with 6 picks
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 22, 2021, 01:22:20 pm
"It's going to be tough to replace Leno at LT".....sorry just spit the coffee out of my mouth.  Good grief, have you ever watched the Tape Never Lies?????

It could be tough if Bears use draft capital to address QB.  Plus salary cap situation is tough to sign FAs.  We all know Leno needs to be replaced but we may also need to replace A-Rob and unless you are dedicating a first round pick to LT you are taking a big risk.  Even dedicating a first round pick is a crapshoot.  Or have you forgotten Stan Thomas, Chirs Williams, Gabe Carimi and Marc Colombo.

Now wipe the coffee off your shirt you filthy animal.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 22, 2021, 01:26:44 pm
Daniels looked really good before he got hurt. Whitehair is good at G, not so good at C.
We could upgrade on Mustipher at C, but I'm more concerned about our lack of playmakers at WR and Trevathan's decline.
Those are holes that have to be addressed.

I don't know that Whitehair was that bad at center.  Maybe he was when he played next to Coward and Ifedi.

I think Daniels is our LG and Whitehair moves to RG.  Mustipher was kind of thrown in there so maybe after another year he gets bigger/stronger.  Bars is also an option at center, but the Bears may draft an interior lineman on day3 and bring in some undrafted FAs. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2021, 02:01:25 pm
Hate to say this, but it would not surprise me to see Leno back at LT next season. Think he has some compromising pics of the McCaskeys or something....
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 22, 2021, 02:40:46 pm

I think there's a 75% chance he returns.  Bears also have a hole at RT too...somewhat easier to fill.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 22, 2021, 03:26:57 pm
I've done a few mocks today, and on several of them Najee Harris has been available when we pick in the 3rd round.

If that should happen, I would hope we sprint to the podium with his name on a card...needs be damned. He might be another Derrick Henry.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2021, 11:43:07 am
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets

He says Bears take Michigan OT. I wonder where Mack Jones goes.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 26, 2021, 08:53:25 am
https://twitter.com/tampabaytre/status/1354074951423324163?s=21
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 26, 2021, 08:54:26 am
https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/status/1354076735998930945?s=21
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on January 26, 2021, 08:54:56 am
https://twitter.com/tampabaytre/status/1354077902732734466?s=21
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2021, 10:02:25 am
Thats good. To quote women size matters. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on January 26, 2021, 12:22:26 pm

At tackle, size only matters if you have quick feet.  Do you know what they call guys with size and slow feet?

Guards.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 31, 2021, 01:38:53 pm
https://www.si.com/college/2021/01/31/texas-am-quarterback-kellen-mond-named-senior-bowl-mvp
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on January 31, 2021, 01:41:08 pm
In m mock I had us taking him in 5th round, but realistically, we'd need to grab him in round 3.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2021, 03:17:08 pm
Yeah maybe 2nd round if we can get that LT in round one. That Oline has to get better. Right now Mond would likely get killed behind that line we have.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 01, 2021, 09:20:49 am

Mond benefitted from a great defense at A&M as well as from a nice season out of sophomore HB Isaiah Spiller.  I think 3rd round sounds about right for Mond, but may not last to #20.  He's got some size and can run and doesn't throw a lot of picks.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 01, 2021, 09:33:33 am
I have never been impressed with Mond.

I was disappointed that Jamie Newman didnít look better.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2021, 09:53:01 am
I sure wouldnt give up #20 for Mond. And I watched him one time and really wasnt that impressed. Definitely not 1st round material. Has a lot to learn yet. 3rd or 4th round material. He isnt a plug and play candidate.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 01, 2021, 10:44:22 am

My son goes to A&M so I've watched a few games - but I think 3rd round is about right. Solid but not spectacular.  Newman could also go in round 3.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2021, 12:03:45 pm
Some desperate team will gamble a 2nd I am sure or trade down to the bottom of the 2nd and take Mond. I'd be shocked if Mond lasted passed round 2. There are just too many QB desperate teams out there, the Bears being one of them
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on February 01, 2021, 05:37:31 pm
just watched the Senior Bowl on YouTube & I was not impressed by Mond, not at all.

Michigan FB is a pancake monster. There was a cb from Washington (Taylor?) who looked good. Clemson WRs are kinda short but really good. They did a feature on a OL guy from Wisconsin-Whitewater who is a Paul Bunyon beast.

Only good RB was Carter from N. Carolina.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2021, 11:07:18 am
Interesting but highly unlikely:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/02/mac-jones-to-the-bears-this-2021-mock-draft-thinks-its-possible/

Somebody will move just ahead of us.

Still, itís hard imagining a scenario where any of the top five quarterbacks actually fall this far. The New England Patriots are desperate for young blood at the position and Jones feels very much like a Bill Belichick guy. The Patriots pick 15th.

Ding, Ding, ding
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2021, 11:21:08 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/02/bucky-brooks-sends-bears-o-line-help-in-latest-2021-nfl-mock-draft/

While the idea is right, I think the player is wrong. I dont believe USC had a good enough season and I am not enamored with the idea that a Multi-talented player is what we need @ #20. That high we need a stud left

tackle. If I am the Bears thats what I have to be thinking.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 03, 2021, 12:39:33 pm

The USC kid played LT with the Trojans and the team's record should have little bearing on a player's ranking.  He might go before 20 and there are a couple more LTs that could be had in round 1:

Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas

There's also the kid from Michigan that might drop into 2nd round.

And Mac Jones could indeed go to the Pats - in the 2nd round.  Trask might also be there in round 2.  But both might be gone before our pick.

Maybe Bears could trade down a bit at 20 and trade up from 52
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2021, 05:34:56 pm
Espn has the USC kid ranked as a OG. And I do think that the USC record has a bearing due to how the OLine protects and run blocks
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 03, 2021, 10:08:59 pm
It doesnít.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2021, 09:32:51 am
I disagree. I dont agree with the philosophy of plug and play any moron with size.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 04, 2021, 10:47:04 am
You realize USC went 5-1 this season...with their only loss to Oregon in the PAC-12 championship game...right?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2021, 11:06:52 am
My buddy watches all USC games and said they werent that good this season.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2021, 11:25:49 am
And Mac Jones could indeed go to the Pats - in the 2nd round.  Trask might also be there in round 2.  But both might be gone before our pick.

Maybe Bears could trade down a bit at 20 and trade up from 52


Good idea. I'd be primed to do either depending on what Pats do at 15. Jones and Trask are the QBs that interest me most. And also the #5 ESPN ranked OT is the kid from ND. He might last to round 2. He could be the steal of the draft

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on February 04, 2021, 06:02:50 pm
Bears need 2 OTs. They have to pick one in the first round unless they don't see value in the OTs remaining when they pick. I really don't want to see Leno doing his Walrus act for another season.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2021, 11:15:51 am
I dont question the need for 2 OTs. I just dont want the Bears to shift them to OGs
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 05, 2021, 12:06:43 pm
All the mock drafts on NFLN have the Bears drafting a tackle.

Hard to say what changes will be made until next year salary cap is decided.

If itís cut thereís going to be a lot of high salaries released.

Talk is the Bears canít afford Fuller or Robinson.  May have to consider other veteran cuts.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 05, 2021, 04:46:46 pm

Maybe they can redo Fuller and Hicks contracts.  May have to tag A-Rob.

I'd like to keep Graham but most have him being let go.  Nothing against Kmet but Graham was a monster in the red zone - and underutilized.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on February 09, 2021, 01:01:08 pm
I suspect Graham, Miller, Massie, and Skrine will all be gone. Trevathan and Leno are potentials.
Robertson-Harris will be leaving via FA.

We may have to restructure a contract or two, but I think salary cap concerns are overblown a bit.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 09, 2021, 04:11:17 pm

Agreed but I wouldn't release Miller. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 09, 2021, 05:01:16 pm
Releasing Miller would be foolish...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2021, 05:40:22 pm
It wouldnt make sense. It would put your WR room one short.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 09, 2021, 06:27:07 pm
I think Miller is still under rookie contract.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on February 10, 2021, 08:11:49 am
If nothing else trade Miller and get something for him. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on February 10, 2021, 09:57:39 am
Ugh:

McShay has the Bears trading up to No. 12 overall for Alabamaís Mac Jones.

Four quarterbacks went in the first four picks, and in this scenario, the Bears didnít fully address quarterback via free agency or trade. That means itís now or never for Chicago and it pulls the trigger on a move up the board in the middle of the first round. So what gets it done? To land the No. 12 pick from San Francisco, the Bears would have to send their own first-rounder (No. 20) and a second-rounder (No. 52), probably along with a 2022 first- or second-rounder.

This is more than the traditional trade-value chart expects, and whether that í22 pick is of the Day 1 or Day 2 variety would depend on how desperate Chicago is for the last true Round 1 QB still out there. Niners GM John Lynch could maybe throw a midrounder back to the Bears to sweeten the deal and get it done.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 10, 2021, 12:28:14 pm

Mac Jones.  Very accurate.  Good size.  Average arm and barely average speed.  And he won't have the offensive weapons or line that he had at 'bama.

Folks criticized the Bears for taking Trubisky because he also started only one year in college. 

Aren't niners looking to replace Grappolo too?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2021, 01:42:27 pm
Sure are looking to replace Garappolo. And Pace wanted him when he was a Pat. Maybe you strike gold cheaper.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 10, 2021, 01:50:04 pm

Everybody has their own opinion on what the Bears need to do at QB.   Trade Foles, trade up and draft a rookie, trade for a veteran, sign a FA, etc 

I would not want to be in Pace's shoes right now. 

Bears nation turns its lonely eyes to you...woo, woo, woo
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on February 10, 2021, 01:56:27 pm
Pace got himself in this mess.  Paying the Giraffe tons of money was the tipoff for me.  I had hoped Mitch was  the guy.  He wasn't, and Foles simply compounded the whole mess. And now they're talking about Wentz ? Looks to me the Bears are only listening to the qb coach. He can get himself out of this mess, or go carry Payton's  towels again. Take the beancounter with you, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 10, 2021, 02:30:13 pm

Yeah, he messed up. He'll probably get canned with Nagy at end of next season.

Still, it's a tough job that I don't envy having.

Not sure what I would do.  What would any of you do at QB?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2021, 06:38:45 pm
I had hoped Mitch was  the guy

I think we all hoped. I certainly had my doubts on draft night that year. A 1 year starter at a non football school gave me many doubts. Could he have developed? Possibly in the right system, and with the right personnel around him. But with the Bears history of bad QBs it was doomed from the start. Mitch just wasnt the right guy.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 10, 2021, 07:09:13 pm
Yeah, he messed up. He'll probably get canned with Nagy at end of next season.

Still, it's a tough job that I don't envy having.

Not sure what I would do.  What would any of you do at QB?

I donít want them to mortgage the future to overpay for a broken QB.

I would rather they use their resources on the OL, resign Robinson and hopefully another veteran WR.

Pick up another RB and use all 3.

With Desai going back to Fangioís philosophy, a running game and better pass protection they can be contenders with Tru and Foles.

I just see it as a bad year to solve the QB dilemma.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 10, 2021, 08:51:07 pm

Desai alone won't fix the defense.  Watching the playoffs we saw what aggressive linebackers and DBs can do.

Got to hope Quinn rebounds.  Could use help at every defensive position:  OLB, ILB, D-line, NB, and safety.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Sportster on February 11, 2021, 01:00:01 am
Bears aren't in a good spot to get a top QB without giving up a ton to do it. I agree, Pace is in a terrible spot with virtually no one believing he's up to the task, and for good reason.


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Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on February 11, 2021, 07:55:12 am
I read that Mitch wants no part in coming back with Nagy, and Nagy wants no part of Mitch.  That ship has sailed, and I wish Mitch all the best of luck. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on February 11, 2021, 08:15:50 am
The CFL beckons. Use Henry as a reference.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2021, 10:26:38 am
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/10/bears-make-aggressive-trade-in-todd-mcshays-latest-2021-mock-draft/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

Heard this but its out there in black and white

Sounds like Fantasy Island.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2021, 09:46:04 am
Finally some intelligence:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/11/another-mock-draft-another-offensive-lineman-for-the-chicago-bears/

The realization that you cant protect any QB with an Oline like the Bears have is refreshing, not that I believe that guy is the right pick @ #20
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 20, 2021, 06:55:47 pm

I've talked of a scenario where the Bears take Trask out of Florida in round 2.  I've read more about him and kind of soured on him.  Big but not a big arm and he's not very mobile.

I'm thinking maybe Kellen Mond in round 3.  Might have to trade down our picks in round 1 or 2 to improve the round 3 pick, but if the Bears kept R1 and R2 they could get a quality tackle or two or maybe get a good corner in R2 to replace Skrine and eventually replace Fuller.

Mond threw for 19 TDs against only 3 picks against quality SEC opponents.  He is very mobile and has good size.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on February 20, 2021, 08:16:45 pm
for the love of God, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL ...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2021, 08:46:40 pm
They dont have that many openings. Only play 5. Good grief. We have more needs than just Oline.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on February 21, 2021, 10:42:03 am
But do we have bigger needs than OL?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2021, 12:55:00 pm
No.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2021, 07:04:01 pm
Uh I'd say we do. How about QB?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2021, 07:36:43 pm
A franchise QB is obviously the most important need.

In reality, we also need 3/5 of an offensive line...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 21, 2021, 08:22:07 pm
A franchise QB is obviously the most important need.

In reality, we also need 3/5 of an offensive line...

You only counting on Whitehair and Daniels as viable starters?

I think the coaching staff has more hope for Bars and Mustipher.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2021, 08:27:07 pm
I think Bars and Mustipher were both fine as fill-ins, and fine as depth...but we could do much better.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on February 21, 2021, 08:39:04 pm
Agree but both have the potential to be better next year.

Bars was recovering from his college knee injury last year so was like a rookie this year.

Both can use an off season in the weight room to improve.

I would draft LT no matter what in the first.  Or consider a trade for Orlando Brown.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 22, 2021, 05:55:46 am
Agreed that Daniels and Whitehair are viable NFL starters.  Mustipher and Bars are in the hope so category, probably similar to Leno at this stage.  Leno is cheap for a starting left tackle, and while I know he floundered at right tackle early in his career, I wonder if he has something in the tank and experience that he could make the move back there and be successful this time?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on February 22, 2021, 07:05:19 am
Mustipher looked bad on the "tape" reviews. Bars can play all positions so is valuable. Bears have nothing really at OT. Crap like Cowart need to be cut.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 22, 2021, 05:40:29 pm

Bars has played every single position on the line in the NFL (though LT was in a preseason game). 

I'm good with Mustipher, Daniels, Whitehair and Bars on the interior.  They might look at Bars at RT but I think he's best at guard.  Maybe add a center late in the draft to compete with last year's 7th rounders and FAs.  Obviously attention is needed at tackle. 

One will be replaced...both?   Maybe in free agency.  Kind of hard to start 2 rookie tackles.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 23, 2021, 04:39:39 pm
https://twitter.com/gamscout/status/1364331912756609026?s=21
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 24, 2021, 06:19:01 am
Jones may turn out great. 

The one thing concerns me is that was the best OLine that I have seen in college football maybe ever.  Talk about a QB having no pressure.  How does he handle pressure?  I do not think anyone knows.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 24, 2021, 09:51:34 am

I think he's one of the biggest wildcards of the draft.  He's getting dinged because he played with a lot of great talent.  Teams will really have to do their homework on him.  Mid first round?  End of first round?  2nd round? 

Who knows?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BearHit on February 24, 2021, 10:01:51 am
What kind of car does he drive?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on February 24, 2021, 10:11:11 am
He went to Alabama. Iím sure itís nice.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2021, 10:45:12 am

Is that what his Chauffeur says?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2021, 10:53:15 am
I dont see Jones getting past 15. He's a Bellychick type of player.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 24, 2021, 02:41:21 pm

Agreed.  Pats could nab Jones with pick #15...in round 2.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 25, 2021, 06:37:34 am
If he gets beyond 15 which I doubt there will be teams trading up into the first round to get a shot at him. I have heard that the Bears are one team desiring to trade up above 15 to keep the pats from drafting Jones.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on February 25, 2021, 09:49:19 am

What?  You got Pace's secretary's number?

If Pace likes Jones I'm sure he will be secretive about his intentions to get him.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on February 25, 2021, 05:54:52 pm
LOL. I just think he is a Patriot.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 11, 2021, 09:07:44 am
A mock that has us trading up to 11 to get Mac Jones: 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2021-nfl-mock-draft-russell-181519822.html
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 11, 2021, 10:36:59 am

QBs value appreciate the closer we get to the draft.   Draft reports for Jones are all over the board.

To move to #11 from #20 the Bears would have to part with their 2nd and 6th round picks.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2021, 11:42:39 am
That would eliminate the possibility of using our 1st round or 2nd round picks on a left tackle.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 11, 2021, 03:34:59 pm

You might get a RT in round 3 - may have to throw in a 5th or 6th to get closer to the top of the round though.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 14, 2021, 04:11:18 pm
Interesting that Chris Simms has Mond as his 4th rated QB.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 14, 2021, 08:09:21 pm
Thereís always one...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 14, 2021, 11:44:27 pm

Some mocks have Mond going to round 3.  But so many teams need QBs - he could be gone before then.

Some similarities in stats, competition, mobility and size between Mond and Dak Prescott.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: navigator on March 15, 2021, 06:49:54 am
Foles looks pretty good behind a good oline. Mahommes looks bad behind a bad Oline.
Build the trenches.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2021, 07:09:02 am
Its going to be obvious if they cut our right tackle and should cut our left too.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 15, 2021, 08:32:52 am
If I am not mistaken, Chris Simms has a pretty good track record on QBs.  Just saying.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 15, 2021, 08:52:50 am
His analysis is on YouTube.

Interesting weather you agree or not.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on March 15, 2021, 09:15:14 am
If I am not mistaken, Chris Simms has a pretty good track record on QBs.  Just saying.

Then you like the Bears taking Mitch Trubisky as the first QB in the 2017 NFL draft over Mahomes and Watson.  So did Chris Simms....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705493-2017-nfl-mock-draft-chris-simms-final-predictions
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on March 15, 2021, 09:17:44 am
Wow.  He had Watson going 31st at the bottom of round 1.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2021, 11:29:15 am
If I am not mistaken, Chris Simms has a pretty good track record on QBs.  Just saying.

I wouldnt say thats a given.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on March 16, 2021, 11:48:27 am
I like Mond as a project QB in round 4-5. QBS always go higher than their rating, so might have to take him in round 3 if we're interested. If he goes before that, no thanks.
Feleipe Franks will be available in the later rounds and would be a similar worthy project, IMO. Maybe a better one.

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2021, 11:59:31 am
There are others that I like and would prefer to Mond but I am afraid they will be likely gone by #20. Taking Mond at #20 is like taking Trubisky at #2.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 16, 2021, 12:00:16 pm
Monds might be available in R3.  If Pace likes him he'll move up.

I didn't know the Felipe Franks story but read up on him - I think 4th round might be where he goes.  But that round is the only round the Bears don't have a pick...but that could change.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 16, 2021, 12:02:25 pm
There are others that I like and would prefer to Mond but I am afraid they will be likely gone by #20. Taking Mond at #20 is like taking Trubisky at #2.

Not even close.  No one has absolutely no one has Mond being taken in the first round.  Not only was Trubisky predicted to be a first round selection but many had him rated the #1 QB.

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2021, 12:18:13 pm
My point is Pace is stupid enough to take Mond at #20 because he fears somebody else will want and take him and he is showing that he is desperate enough to do that.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 16, 2021, 12:33:25 pm
No...heís not...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 16, 2021, 03:55:31 pm
My point is Pace is stupid enough to take Mond at #20 because he fears somebody else will want and take him and he is showing that he is desperate enough to do that.

Pace has not been very lucky in his drafting, especially in R1 and R2, but last year he did pretty well with Kmet, JJ and Mooney.  Vildor and Gipson probably won't start but might someday.  Considering no first rounder - I'd give him a B.

Hopefully, he's learned something over the years about the draft.  But you may be correct in that he might not follow his supposed BPA rule and over draft certain positions considering he's on thin ice.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2021, 04:05:50 pm
Well he is definitely on thin ice and by chasing rainbows in Watson and Wilson that shows how desperate he is.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 16, 2021, 09:10:16 pm
Hell to the NO on Felipe Franks.  Gator fan here, the guy sucks, Gators ran him out of town.  Let me repeat the GUY SUCKS....SAY NO to F. Franks.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 16, 2021, 10:12:26 pm

Hiber

I forgot about your Florida ties.  What do you think of  Kyle Trask?  Are the Bears desperate enough to draft him in round 1 or round 2?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 17, 2021, 08:36:21 am
I like Trask.  He has a great story.  I think he played well last season (minus the bowl game that literally half of the Gators team sat out).

I do not think he is a super star QB, but I think he could be a solid QB.  He is the type of guy I would draft with backup in mind.  He had A LOT of talent around him at UF at WR, RB and TE.  The offensive line was a bit shaky. 

He is the kind of guy that does not have the physical measurables.   He does not have a strong arm.  He does read defenses well. 

I think he is a system QB.  He would do well for a team like N.E.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2021, 02:06:46 pm
Trask and Jones are the 2 @ #20 I would hope the Bears go for if available
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 17, 2021, 02:41:46 pm
Trask isn't a 1st round talent.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 17, 2021, 02:54:07 pm
Trask isn't a 1st round talent.

2nd round talent.  Unless a team real desperate for a QB takes him too early...ahem.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2021, 05:01:10 pm
Trask and Jones are the 2 @ #20 I would hope the Bears go for if available

Hmmmm. Draft experts seem to believe both will be taken before we draft @20. Meaning that, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" Meaning that just because one person doesnt

like Trask or Jones doesnt mean someone else wont. Neither Brady nor Montana were 1st round picks. Are there busts taken in the first round? Absolutely. The draft is always a

crapshoot.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2021, 05:14:15 pm
I havenít seen a single mock draft with Trask in the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 17, 2021, 05:40:59 pm
I wish I had filed all the mocks I had seen of all the QBs, but I have failed. My memory bank is full and i had to clean it out. I remember one had a QB taken at 19. I have heard of others that have 5 to 6 taken in the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 22, 2021, 07:51:00 pm
One can dream of a draft like this:

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 22 (TENN): Alex Leatherwood, OT/OG, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Creed Humphrey, C/OG, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 3 Pick 19: Brady Christianson, OT, BYU (A)
Round 3 Pick 24 (LAR): D'Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan (A+)
Round 3 Pick 36 (TENN): Keith Taylor, CB, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 36 (LAR): Jacoby Stevens, FS/SS, LSU (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Bobby Brown, DT, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 6 Pick 19: Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 24 (LAR): John Bates, TE, Boise State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 36 (COMP): Chauncey Golston, DE/OLB, Iowa (A+)
Round 6 Pick 43 (COMP): D.J. Daniel, CB, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 4: Marcelino Ball, FS/SS, Indiana (A+)
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2021, 12:13:24 pm
Mac Jones throwing at Alabama's pro day right now on NFLN...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2021, 12:54:51 pm
Whoís up for a mock where we get both Darrisaw and Mac Jones?

https://theathletic.com/2464824/2021/03/23/2021-nfl-mock-draft-jaguars-jets-broncos-falcons-launch-historic-run-on-qbs/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2021, 01:37:19 pm
Cant see it but that would cover a lot of bases.  How is Mac Jones still around?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2021, 01:46:03 pm
Didnt look razor sharp to me
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on March 23, 2021, 02:14:44 pm
I can't see any enthusiasm for the draft with clown boy and jojo running the show. George's brain has turned to mush from booze to let those two anywhere near the Bears. Saw a you tube bit (not Wilbon) from a caster from 670, the guy appeared outraged for real. Had good points. Got the SAME guy for qb THREE TIMES (neck, foles and carrot top) NONE worth SPIT. FIRE EVERYBODY!!
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2021, 02:29:28 pm
without giving too much away, we took Darrisaw at #20, then traded up to #30 to get Jones.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2021, 02:43:55 pm
without giving too much away, we took Darrisaw at #20, then traded up to #30 to get Jones.

I could deal with that. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2021, 02:44:36 pm
I can't see any enthusiasm for the draft with clown boy and jojo running the show. George's brain has turned to mush from booze to let those two anywhere near the Bears. Saw a you tube bit (not Wilbon) from a caster from 670, the guy appeared outraged for real. Had good points. Got the SAME guy for qb THREE TIMES (neck, foles and carrot top) NONE worth SPIT. FIRE EVERYBODY!!

Dont forget George and the hookers.  There must be hookers, it is the only answer....  ;)
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on March 23, 2021, 03:06:10 pm
Whoís up for a mock where we get both Darrisaw and Mac Jones?

I always enjoy some good fiction.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 23, 2021, 04:37:00 pm

The 30th pick in round 1 is worth 620 points.

Bears would have to give up #2, #3, #5, #6a, #6b, #6c and #6d (the entire draft after R1).  I haven't read the article so I'm sure there's a high 2022 pick involved...possibly #1 to get #30 in 2021.

As for Mac Jones going #30, it could happen or he could go top 15.  I've said before I think he's the wild card of the first round.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2021, 04:57:11 pm
In the article, they gave up the 2, the 3, and the first 6...to Buffalo, ironically...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 23, 2021, 05:58:07 pm
They're going to need to draft a corner because Johnson, Vildor and Trufant is pretty shaky both ability and health wise.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2021, 06:47:09 pm
I did this one earlier...no good QB prospect, but filled some holes elsewhere pretty well...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210323/eafbf70a16d9cc2593897e2b81423405.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 23, 2021, 07:16:41 pm
Stanford has QB Davis Mills who worked in a run first offense so didn't get a chance to put up big numbers last season.

Apparently had a very good work out this week.

Also OT Walker Little was highly regarded but missed a lot of 2019 with an injury then sat out for covid 2020.  Could be the sleeper OT of the draft.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2021, 08:08:24 pm
I always enjoy some good fiction.

Its always good for a laugh or two
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 23, 2021, 09:56:40 pm
From what Iíve read, Mills doesnít sound like the kind of QB Nagy would want.

Walker Little was a stud before he got hurt...like, top 10 overall stud...who knows how his knees are now?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2021, 10:13:41 am
USC pro day about to start on NFLN...

Ones to watch are T/G Alijah Vera-Tucker (1st rounder) and WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (2nd-3rd rounder)...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2021, 10:22:32 am
Most teams are going to see Vera-Tucker as a G, because his arms are only 32 1/8...but people raved about the job he did at LT this past season. 1st team all-PAC10...

He models his game after Quentin Nelson, though...so he probably sees himself as a guard...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2021, 11:29:37 am
I brought that up before and people didnt buy that. Oh he is a tackle they said
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on March 24, 2021, 11:43:26 am
Dave, that's one of the better mocks I've seen.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 24, 2021, 12:32:20 pm

Vera-Tucker is a tackle?  No, he's a guard.  Doesn't matter - he'll be gone before #20.

I read some articles on the Stanford players - I like them all.  Little might go as early as R3.  I read that Mills ran a 4.6 40 - he might be available in R4.

I watch a lot of UT.  Stearns coming out of HS was one of the top recruits.  Was good at UT - not great - R4 looks about right for him.  Isn't that where we drafted jackson and Amos?

Ehlinger is the ultimate competitor - can do it all, but I think his game is probably not suited for the pros - R6 looks about right for him.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 24, 2021, 02:23:57 pm
Reports are Pace and Nagy were at ND State pro day to see Trey Lance and DeFilippo was at Stanford for Davis Mills.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 24, 2021, 03:51:23 pm
https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2021/03/24/how-the-bears-could-get-a-lineman-and-a-quarterback-in-the-first-round-of-the-2021-nfl-draft/?fbclid=IwAR0_lemCjkOTzqwhJcvZOenM6yzoCwapSDF6GwXRYFpB-psRGhCHh_YPwU4
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2021, 11:29:45 am

#30 is worth 620.  The Bears #2, #3, #5, and four #6s doesn't add up to 620.  There will have to be a player or a 2022 draft pick thrown in.

Why not just take Jones at 20 and take a tackle in R2?   Maybe you trade down from 20 a few picks to get some ammo to trade up the R2 pick to get a better tackle.  And still have your 3rd and 5th etc.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 25, 2021, 12:25:27 pm
LT, LT, LT, LT, LT, LT, LT, LT ..... Enough of the Walrus!
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2021, 12:32:03 pm

I  don't know that the Walrus will be displaced in 2021.  Even if we draft a LT in R1 there is no guarantee that he'll be able to step in day 1.  It's no uncommon to see rookie LTs get their first start at RT.

But right I'd say that a LT in R1 is the popular choice.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on March 25, 2021, 12:35:09 pm
If we can't draft a LT better than Leno in round 1 the whole scouting staff needs to be fired.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 25, 2021, 12:45:42 pm

Do you know the history of Bears drafting offensive tackles in R1? 

You want to play your two best tackles.  Maybe its Leno and the rookie and the rookie plays RT.  Maybe Ifedi or the new Bronco can hold down RT?

I don't care who gets drafted in R1 - you can't just pencil them into the starting lineup.  But I agree LT in R1 is the choice.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on March 25, 2021, 01:27:42 pm
Agree with BillSharp given the depth available in this year's draft class. There are at least a handful with the talent to step in and start game 1.
I've seen Liam Eichenberg rated as the 10th best Tackle in this draft. If that is accurate, he could be available to us in round 2 and I would consider him an upgrade from Leno.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 25, 2021, 03:15:22 pm
https://twitter.com/zack_pearson/status/1375178630762991617?s=21

He ran a 4.32 today.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2021, 12:33:31 pm
Zach Wilson pro day on NFLN right now. He's really impressive.

The 49ers have traded up to #3...Dolphins get the #12, 2022 1st and 3rd rounders, and a 2023 1st rounder.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2021, 12:35:21 pm
Philly has now traded the #6 and the #156 to Miami for the #12 they just got from SF...plus the #123 and a 2022 1st rounder...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 26, 2021, 12:45:50 pm
Yeah wonder who Miami wants so bad.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2021, 12:54:42 pm
Trading back up to 6, they can probably get the top WR on their board...assuming the first 4 picks are QBs and Cincy takes either an OT (Sewell) or a TE (Pitts)...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on March 26, 2021, 01:15:09 pm
Trading back up to 6, they can probably get the top WR on their board...assuming the first 4 picks are QBs and Cincy takes either an OT (Sewell) or a TE (Pitts)...

If itís not a an theyíre really overpaying for anyone in this draft.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 31, 2021, 06:23:08 am
If I were Bears GM I would not trade up trying to get a top QB.  I would stay at 20 and see if any of them dropped to me (anyone remember Aaron Rodgers falling to 20).  If one of the QB or OT is there at 20 I would draft them.

If neither position was there I would trade down to the end of round 1 and pick up some draft picks.  I personally would draft OT/QB with one of my first two picks.  Kellen Mond is starting to grow on me as a 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on March 31, 2021, 11:23:16 am
If I were Bears GM I would not trade up trying to get a top QB.  I would stay at 20 and see if any of them dropped to me (anyone remember Aaron Rodgers falling to 20).  If one of the QB or OT is there at 20 I would draft them.

If neither position was there I would trade down to the end of round 1 and pick up some draft picks.  I personally would draft OT/QB with one of my first two picks.  Kellen Mond is starting to grow on me as a 2nd rounder.

I've liked Mond for a while now but I agree he might not be there in R3.  I like the trade down in R1, but I think there should be a quality OT at 20, if not trade down a few spots and maybe pick up that pick in R4 that was lost with the Foles trade. 

I was hoping Mond would be there in R3 so the Bears could go corner in R2.  Might have to swap that.  The other guy that was brought up here by dave23 or davebear was the Stanford QB Davis Mills.  He's big but supposedly not mobile but did recently ran a 4.6 40.  Only 13 starts at Stanford.

 He might be there in R3.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2021, 12:29:29 pm
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/30/bears-kellen-mond-nfl-draft-texas-am/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

Apparently the Bears have been their homework. There wont be any combine so its prodays and personal interviews and teleconferencing. So the Bears have been doing

their homework on Mond. Its good to hear they are interested in him
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on March 31, 2021, 12:32:40 pm
I too think its a good plan to maybe drop down from 20 if they think a certain available player doesnt have a 1st round value.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on March 31, 2021, 12:36:00 pm
We really need 2 CBs in the draft if the opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on March 31, 2021, 12:38:43 pm
The tape never lies breaks down Andy Dalton.  Maybe he CAN run Nagys offense???  I guess we wait and see.  QB in round 2 or later works IF he can.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 01, 2021, 06:15:03 pm
Would it surprise anyone if the Bears went edge rusher with the first pick?

That might be the position that falls the most to 20.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2021, 08:35:12 pm
If they saw the need and if the player graded out with a 1st round grade and sort of fell into their laps @ 20 no I wouldnt be a bit surprised. But I seriously believe they have to go Left Tackle if a quality tackle was there @ 20
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 05, 2021, 10:04:55 am
Awesome piece on Bears QB draft picks over the years...including thought processes behind some of the picks...get ready to scream...

https://theathletic.com/2497506/2021/04/05/history-of-bears-drafting-qbs-littered-with-bad-picks-missed-opportunities/
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 07, 2021, 12:37:37 pm
I just dont know about this:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/06/sam-darnold-panthers-jets-trade-impact-bears/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

I just think the Bears are primed for a day 2 QB. Bridgewater? I think he is better than they have. If it were me I wouldnt touch that.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 07, 2021, 12:45:46 pm
I read a mock draft where we trade up to the Panthers spot and draft Trey Lance.  Not too sure about this: 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2021-mock-draft-bears-trading-135033305.html
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 07, 2021, 02:09:21 pm

Lance, like Trubisky had one year of collegiate experience. He did start 3 more games, but attempted a significant fewer number of passes.  Lance has size, speed, but an average arm.  Plus the level of competition at NDSU has to be a factor. 

A trade up from 20 to 8 is huge.  I'm thinking number 1 next year for starters.

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 07, 2021, 03:37:51 pm
This may not be the year to get the next QB.

It looks like Mond will go earlier than expected.  Davis Mills has been discovered.

Teams before the Bears will be considering Qb in round 2.  Even Houston now with Watson problems.

I suspect they trade the first back bit.  The roster is depleted after the Mack trade.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 08, 2021, 08:32:24 am
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-superlatives-quarterbacks-trevor-lawrence-justin-fields-trey-lance-mac-jones
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 08, 2021, 10:18:25 am

Peter Schrager's mock draft on ESPN has Davis Mills going in the FIRST ROUND to Tampa at #32.  He was maybe 4th round a couple weeks ago!

He has Bears taking Kadarius Toney WR out of Florida.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 08, 2021, 12:28:39 pm
Yuck to both of those picks...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: method on April 09, 2021, 06:05:16 am
Peter Schrager's mock draft on ESPN has Davis Mills going in the FIRST ROUND to Tampa at #32.  He was maybe 4th round a couple weeks ago!

He has Bears taking Kadarius Toney WR out of Florida.

Fake news. The Buc's will leverage their cap and future picks to stack the team around brady for the next 2 years... then tear it down and rebuild after he goes. Why waste picks on a QB now when you have a shot at 3 peating with the GOAT.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on April 09, 2021, 10:35:48 am
I think the 5th QB will go later than people think.
I think 3 QBs will go in round 2.
I think Day 3 will see more than a few.

IMO, Bears will likely wait until round 3 or later unless they trade down to accumulate picks.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 09, 2021, 04:16:32 pm
I see where Trey Lance is having a second pro day. I wonder if the Bears attend?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 09, 2021, 04:56:16 pm
Just stumbled on this: It raises 2 questions with me.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-betting-mac-jones-is-the-overwhelming-favorite-to-go-no-3-to-the-49-ers-161724086.html

If so what are the Pats doing at 15? The second question is if SF does do that then will Garrappolo be on the trading block?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on April 09, 2021, 06:11:57 pm
Admittedly getting swept up on the recent hype, but I do want Rondale Moore to be a Chicago Bear.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 09, 2021, 06:15:57 pm
Fishbain has an excellent draft piece posted at The Athletic today...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 10, 2021, 11:05:50 am
Highlights are impressive, but injury concern is there:

https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/2021-NFL-Draft-Scouting-Report-Purdue-Rondale-Moore-163519670/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=210410_102228_ChicagoBears&utm_content=Image
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 10, 2021, 11:21:36 am
Elijah > Rondale
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 11, 2021, 11:46:00 am
Rondale is fun to watch, but he is tiny.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 14, 2021, 10:50:20 am
Talk about gas. This exposes a lot of gas.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/13/bears-nfl-draft-quarterback-need/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on April 16, 2021, 04:07:11 pm
Out of boredom, here's a 7-round mock...

1 - CB Jaycee Horn,  South Carolina
2 - WR Dyami Brown, North Carolina
3 - QB Davis Mills, Stanford
5 - OT Brady Christensen, BYU
6 (204) - WR Anthony Schwartz, Auburn
6 (208) - OT Alaric Jackson, Iowa
6 (221) - EDGE Tarron Jackson, Coastal Carolina
6 (228) - S Greg Eisworth, Iowa State

Horn is a day one starter. We get 2 WR with the ability to take the top off the defense. We go to the well twice for OT, but not in the first 3 rounds.
Mills enters as 3rd string rookie, maybe backup if they can trade Foles. Eisworth is the heir apparent to Deon Bush.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 18, 2021, 12:49:01 am
Ideally I would like there to be 3-4 players they like at 20 and trade back a few spots picking up an extra 3rd.

Really need LT. WR. DB. QB.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 19, 2021, 10:02:08 am

Just got to find a dance partner to that trade down.  Most of the talk is about the Bears aggressively moving up but I like the trade down option.

They might try to get by with Leno and shoot for a RT, but they also need a safety, cornerback and maybe a nickelback.  WR is a need but not as critical, but if a good one drops I wouldn't have a problem in taking one.

Secondary needs:  future replacements for Hicks, Quinn, and Trevathan.  Depth at TE.  Maybe a center as I'm not quite sold on Mustipher.

The QBs we've been talking about in the 3rd and 4th are probably going to go in R2:  Mond and Mills.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2021, 11:44:35 am
No, the worst OL is Leno, he must be replaced. RT is not as important and you can get mediocre play from Ifedi and Bars. Draft a center later on, like 6th round.

And Cowart must be cut.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 19, 2021, 12:15:46 pm

LT is the most critical position but if there is not value at 20 you can't reach for a guy that you might be able to get later on possibly with a trade down.  Or you draft a guy that could potentially move to LT after a year at RT since Leno has a year left.

I saw a rumor that the Bears will trade up with the Cowboys to 10 from 20 and give up our 2nd and next year's first to get Mac Jones.

Coward has signed with the Steelers.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 19, 2021, 07:06:27 pm
Today's rumor....  Miami is looking to move out of #6 and the Bears are melting down Miami's phone line.

God I hope not....
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 19, 2021, 08:09:44 pm
6th is not a a good position.  Probably the top 4 will be gone.

The roster is already suffering from the Mack trade.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2021, 08:19:12 pm
Stop listening to rumors, has history taught you nothing?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 19, 2021, 10:39:41 pm

The last Bears rumor I heard was that they were talking to Marquise Goodwin.

As for the trade up...

20 to 10 is 450 points, which costs the Bears first, second and a high 4th.  The article I saw substituted a 2022 first since the Bears don't have a 4th.

20 to 6 is 750 points!...fuget about it!

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 20, 2021, 04:28:17 am
I've seen where Christian Darisaw could be around at 20.  Does he project at Left Tackle?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2021, 09:08:40 am

He's a legit LT but recent mocks have him going before 20.  Pace might be able to trade down a few spots and get another 3rd or 4th and still get a quality lineman.

One mock had the Bears getting a lineman at 20 then trading up the 2nd with Tampa Bay to get their #32 pick.  Kellen Mond was the target!

Insanity?  Maybe.

But in 2018 the Ravens took a QB with pick #32 that many questioned.

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 20, 2021, 09:12:11 am
Bears fans would hate Lamar Jackson as our QB. He makes Trubisky look pinpoint accurate.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2021, 10:05:38 am
It makes more sense to trade up from 52 to 32 than it does from 20 to 6.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2021, 10:17:46 am
I dont trust Kiper anymore than I trust the man in the moon, but this is interesting:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/19/2021-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-jr-predicts-bears-will-address-offense-in-first-two-rounds/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 20, 2021, 10:51:33 am
Did that moron seriously call Schwartz one-dimensional?

Has he even seen him play?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2021, 12:04:39 pm
That he did.

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 20, 2021, 12:48:21 pm
The Bears Wire writer called him one dimensional not Kiper.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2021, 01:09:10 pm
I'd be OK with Jenkins @ 20
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 20, 2021, 02:14:14 pm

They say his is a dominant run blocker which is exactly what the Bears lack.  Every one seems to focused on pass blocking but our run blocking is bad too...maybe worse.  Might start Jenkins on right side for a year and see if he can go to left side when Leno's contract ends.

I still like my trade down scenario, but Jenkins certainly has a late 1st round projection at worst.   
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 20, 2021, 02:34:25 pm
The Bears Wire writer called him one dimensional not Kiper.
If this is to me...Perez is the moron I was referring to...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2021, 03:09:19 pm
Every one seems to focused on pass blocking but our run blocking is bad too...maybe worse

It sure is horrible and needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2021, 11:08:54 am
I must be reading Ripley:

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/21/chicago-bears-mock-draft-greg-newsome/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 22, 2021, 03:07:43 pm
Pace and Nagy are both at Trey Lances workout today.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2021, 03:40:18 pm
Sounds like a lot of interest
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2021, 03:52:17 pm
I posted this on April 9th:

I see where Trey Lance is having a second pro day. I wonder if the Bears attend?

Good guess. And it wasnt just the QB coach either. Old saying, "Where there is smoke, there is fire" Looks like smoke to me.








Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 22, 2021, 05:12:52 pm

Due diligence.  If one of the QBs falls the Bears "might" be able to trade up to a reasonable spot and take a Fields, Lance, or Jones.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2021, 05:40:46 pm
Due diligence? maybe. Creating a smoke screen? maybe. Every team in the league knows you need a QB.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2021, 06:41:41 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-draft-quarterbacks-options-liststory-20210422-qvyxm7e3nvdxfpfvkd2artz6pu-list.html

I am surprised I was even able to read this
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 23, 2021, 09:48:16 am

I'd be happy with Mond or Mills.  Might have to trade UP in R2 to get either.

Casserly's mock had the Steelers taking Justin Fields in the first round at 24, with the Bears taking the NWern corner.  I wonder if him dropping was due to his announcement of being epileptic, which is treatable.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2021, 01:07:35 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft/

I dont like the Bears pick. Lance goes way up. Looks like a wasted 1st round pick. I'd rather see a trade down from 20. Jenkins goes ahead of #20
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2021, 01:24:22 pm
Kay Adams from NFLN made the same pick for the Bears.

If we take Toney at #20, I'll be sick.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 27, 2021, 03:37:58 am

Then trade down.

Mills at 28?  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2021, 03:53:25 pm
Here is another pile of poopoo about to unfold. And I have been talking about this. So SF is going to draft a QB, what then happens to Garrapolo?

https://sports.yahoo.com/kyle-shanahan-takes-morbid-turn-to-deflect-question-on-jimmy-garoppolos-future-213246642.html
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 27, 2021, 07:11:11 pm
Just draft Sam Cosmi, probably the only true left tackle available at 20, and be done with it.

The offense wonít work with any quarterback with poor protection.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 27, 2021, 09:19:33 pm
Amen.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2021, 04:21:26 pm
There has been a lot of movement in the first round today. They look for New Orleans trying to move up too.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 28, 2021, 07:11:29 pm
What movement in the first round?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2021, 09:20:28 pm
I've been watching the NFL network all day
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2021, 07:36:00 am
Mac Jones to the 9ers @ 3? Intrigue?

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-betting-if-mac-jones-doesnt-go-no-3-how-far-could-he-fall-215107106.html

He wont get by 15 for sure. Still think the Bears need to drop down from #20. Doubt Mond falls to 52. I've watched mocks last night showing Jenkins there @ 20. They better take him.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:22:17 am
Jenkins is growing on me.  RT this year, possible move to LT even though they say he cant play there.  And I wouldnt mind Adam Hoges draft where we trade down to around 25 and pick Mond, and add I think it was a 4th rounder.  But then again that means I would have to stay up later tonight.  LOL  And I agree Mond wont last until 52. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2021, 09:22:33 am

Some say Jenkins might be able to handle LT, maybe after a year at RT.  The thing is RTs face explosive pass rushers too (like Kahlil Mack), but the QB usually has better view of the right side of the line.

Lots of potential options. Some mocks have Darrisaw dropping.   If he doesn't do the Bears trade down and take a Mayfield, Cosmi or Radunz. 

As for Monds, and possibly Mills I think some of the QB hungry teams that missed out on QB in R1 will be snagging one of these guys in R2.  I'd hate to have to use a R1 pick on one of these QB - maybe trade up the pick at 52 instead.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 09:36:32 am
Iíd hate to use a Round 2 pick on a bad QB when we could use it on someone who could actually help us right away.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2021, 10:10:08 am
I have trouble envisioning any 1st string capable year one QB lasting to round 2. They are development QBs. But we need to take a shot at somebody. Pace has avoided doing that or just hasnt had the picks to do that in the past. Mond should fit the bill as a development QB. You have to have 2 QBs on the roster for sure. I wouldnt want to have to rush Mond into the starting QB right away.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2021, 10:19:37 am
I don't think Monds or Mills are bad QBs. 

But if the Bears believe neither QB has a chance of being a quality QB then they have to pass.

The thinking is that the Bears ownership/mgmt will want to give fans some hope at the position in 2021 as opposed to having them looking forward to a Dalton vs Foles battle for the starting job.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 29, 2021, 11:07:57 am
Iíd hate to use a Round 2 pick on a bad QB when we could use it on someone who could actually help us right away.

This.  All day long.  Don't reach.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on April 29, 2021, 11:51:25 am
This discussion is about the same people who brought us the preceeding what, 3 years of picks ? Who loved the giraffe? I'll give you Tribisky maybe they would have gotten a bingo card on him, but to go up one spot ? I won't even go into who they could have gotten at 3 that year but he currently has a superbowl champion ring. My point being they're not good at their jobs and the owner really doesn't care because win or lose every year they make a fortune. I'm not betting the farm on these chumps.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 29, 2021, 01:00:34 pm
Listening to Tom Thayer who thinks itís not easy to switch from RT to LT.

Just draft a true LT.

Thereís going to be either a group of some needed positions available at 20 if thereís a run on tackle.

Could be corner or WR.

As much as everyone hates Pace heís done a good job AFTER the first round.  Trading back a few spots for an additional third would be ideal.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2021, 01:25:28 pm

I don't disagree with Thayer - I was just stating what I had read about the kid of Oklahoma St.

If Darrisaw is there at 20 - I snag him.  I dunno - I can't say that I'm that enthused about taking a RT in R1 with the possible exception of Teven Jenkins. 

Leno is a FA after next season so there's a big hole that will need to be filled plus who knows what QB will be like next year.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on April 29, 2021, 01:26:21 pm
Iíd hate to use a Round 2 pick on a bad QB when we could use it on someone who could actually help us right away.

BINGO
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 29, 2021, 02:33:53 pm
What does GB do now?  Aaron wants out now.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31359453/aaron-rodgers-want-return-green-bay-packers-sources-say
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 03:31:25 pm
What does SF do now at #3?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: wmljohn on April 29, 2021, 06:53:32 pm
Are there any Bears fans in Cleveland?  Because I haven't seen any. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on April 29, 2021, 07:15:52 pm
Geez the draft is turning into a second rate Hollywood awards show.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 07:44:05 pm
Trey Lance is the Niners pick at 3
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 07:46:12 pm
If anything, I think this likely increases the likelihood of a Bears move up...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 07:46:31 pm
Lance was the guy I was terrified of Pace trading the next two drafts for.  Im glad hes off the board.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:12:36 pm
Lions get Penei Sewell...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 29, 2021, 08:18:29 pm
First time in draft history the first seven picks have all been on the same side of the ball.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:20:59 pm
Kinda glad the Lions didnt take DeVonta Smith.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:27:10 pm
Broncos take Patrick Surtain...they must think theyíre getting a QB somewhere else...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:28:24 pm
Cowboys candidates to trade down here? With Horn and Surtain gone...maybe?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:31:37 pm
Eagles trade up
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:39:09 pm
Bears trade up to 11
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Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:39:22 pm
Oh boy...
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:39:28 pm
Did we just trade up to 11?
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:39:49 pm
So Jones or Fields?????
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Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 08:40:06 pm
Bears trade up.  Mack or Fields?
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Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:40:08 pm
Fields or Jones?

LOL, or Slater?
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:41:05 pm
So they let Pace give up next years 1. 
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Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:41:11 pm
1 and 5 this year, 1 and 4 next year
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Post by: wmljohn on April 29, 2021, 08:41:33 pm
Here we go agian...
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Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 08:41:58 pm
Im hoping fields.
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:42:15 pm
Pick is in
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Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 08:44:54 pm
Fields!
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:45:37 pm
I was sort of hoping for Jones. 
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Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 08:45:55 pm
Awesome!  He's my 2nd ranked qb.  I dont think the trade up price is horrible either.
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Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 08:47:41 pm
I also think Fields over Jones is another indication that Pace and Nagy have more job security than we thought at the end of the season.
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:48:29 pm
But now Pace and Nagy are going to say we need another year to get him up to speed and on the field.  In a perfect world Fields doesnt play at all this year. 
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2021, 08:50:10 pm
At least we didnt give up our 2 or 3. 
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Post by: davebear on April 29, 2021, 08:51:30 pm
At least we didnt give up our 2 or 3.

What did we give?
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Post by: wmljohn on April 29, 2021, 08:52:04 pm
So we give up a 1, 4 & 5 to go up 9 spots.  Not bad....
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Post by: JeffH on April 29, 2021, 08:52:51 pm
#20 (1st) and #164 (5th) this year.  1st and 4th rounders next year.
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Post by: wmljohn on April 29, 2021, 08:53:13 pm
Swap 1's and give up the 5 this year.

Give up 1 and 4 next year.
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Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 08:53:41 pm
https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2021/4/29/22408911/ohio-state-football-justin-fields-best-quarterback-2021-nfl-draft

Lets drink the kool-aid tonight!
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Post by: davebear on April 29, 2021, 08:54:45 pm
#20 (1st) and #164 (5th) this year.  1st and 4th rounders next year.

Wow well done.

Heís the best QB prospect theyíve drafted in my lifetime.
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Post by: davebear on April 29, 2021, 09:00:08 pm
Iím in shock.

And they kept the 2 and 3 which which can still be a tackle and corner.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2021, 09:02:11 pm
Fields will bring speed and athleticism that Trubisky never had.
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Post by: octagon on April 29, 2021, 09:12:09 pm
Mac Jones is there for NE.  Seems kind of like fate.
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Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 09:16:08 pm
Heís a winner.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2021, 09:16:52 pm
There it is Jones to Patriots

Knew he wouldnt drop below the Patriots
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2021, 09:21:06 pm
What I didnt expect is the Bears trading up for Fields.
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Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 09:57:01 pm
Hope the Titans take Elijah Moore here...
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Post by: davebear on April 29, 2021, 11:11:01 pm
Donít see why the 49ers had Lance over fields.
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Post by: dallasbear2 on April 29, 2021, 11:42:26 pm

Just got done watching NFL Network's coverage of the draft (recorded).

After the draft the talking heads immediately started talking about the Bears getting the steal of the draft - Justin Fields.

I never have believed the conspiracy theories about the McCaskey's involvement in selecting players in the draft.  But I think they had a lot of influence this year.
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Post by: Sportster on April 29, 2021, 11:46:17 pm
I like his mobility. That's one thing I was concerned with losing about Trubisky but now we've got both a thrower and a runner back there. So far so good. Let's get him some protection in the 2nd at LT....
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Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2021, 12:40:57 am
I like his mobility. That's one thing I was concerned with losing about Trubisky but now we've got both a thrower and a runner back there. So far so good. Let's get him some protection in the 2nd at LT....

Totally agree.  I was hoping that Mac Jones name was not going to get called.   We saw how fast Trubisky was at 4.6 plus....Fields ran a 4.46.

Obviously there's a lot more than foot speed needed to be a good QB, but you kind of like having that ability just in case.
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Post by: chifaninva on April 30, 2021, 05:00:59 am
How mobile is Tom Brady. Football is  a team sport. You have to have good coaches, along with a sound team. Once again no #1 next year. I'm not a draft junkie, so I'll have to defer to you guys...
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Post by: Sportster on April 30, 2021, 05:26:13 am
Yeah totally get that. Brady is a definite throw back QB. The league has moved on to a running/gunning QB style, for the most part. But we've seen other types like Fields flop or not reach their potential such as Michael Vick. He got to the playoffs a couple times, made the pro bowl but that was about it. Seems running QBs tend to take off instead of waiting for someone to pop open, relying too much on their legs and not their arms. Of course there's some great QBs who could run- Steve Young, McNabb, Elway although he sure looked stiff running it. We'll see what kind of QB he turns out to be.....Vick or Young....hopefully Young with a couple SB runs
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Post by: boogie on April 30, 2021, 05:45:31 am
The thing that gets me is that Mel Kiper said Fields was his #2 QB.  Major flashback to the day, and I can still vividly remember it, when he said Cade McNown was the most NFL ready QB. 
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Post by: Bears4Ever on April 30, 2021, 06:21:39 am
Well, the stooges are swinging for the fence for sure. It makes for good discussion if nothing else for the remainder of the off-season. Of course, the pick also has to break the OSU QB curse, as well as the Chicago Bears QB curse. But strangely, on more reflection, considering how much they have to overcome, maybe, just maybe they can and will.

And there is the fact that the stooges have no clue how to figure out if a QB is any good (look at all the QBs the Bears have had). But even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then....

Bears fans hopes are kind of like Charlie Brown going to kick the football and the stooges are like Lucy pulling the ball before he gets there....

Hopeful... but skeptical it will work out.......

Please prove me wrong. Its time for the Bears curse to end.....

Go Bears ! :D





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Post by: boogie on April 30, 2021, 07:16:53 am
Now we really need an OT and a CB, that can start, and another WR would help. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 08:20:34 am
I like his mobility. That's one thing I was concerned with losing about Trubisky but now we've got both a thrower and a runner back there. So far so good. Let's get him some protection in the 2nd at LT....

Absolutely agree. We now need to fix that horrible offensive line. Fields will be running for his life if he ever gets to play.
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Post by: 46 on April 30, 2021, 08:43:30 am
Didn't see that one coming, I thought Fields would have been long gone before the 10 pick. Mike Tomczak was from Ohio State for the Bear, not to shabby. Forget everything else, but some mules in front of the kid.
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Post by: wmljohn on April 30, 2021, 09:10:30 am
I don't want him playing at all this year.  Andy Dalton got a one year deal.  Let him play and let Leno get him killed.  I don't want to see Fields on the field until next year.  Let the kid learn the right way.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 09:40:02 am
Interesting comment. I think the fans and the QB play will force them tom put Fields in. Maybe it'll take half the season but as bad as I imagine this season to be Fields will likely see some kind of action. Maybe some kind

of gimmick plays like how New Orleans uses their backup QB. Nagy is "famous" for gimmick plays. Maybe they "reinvent" the Packer sweep with Fields being an option to pass or run.

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Post by: 46 on April 30, 2021, 09:44:07 am
If you don't put some 310 # quick linemen in front of him we all know he'll be running like a wild man to gain yards. It's what he did, and in the NFL it will eventually get him busted into a million pieces, Re: Cam Newton
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Post by: Bears4Ever on April 30, 2021, 09:59:14 am
Fields has time to throw in many of his highlight clips.... Not sure that applies with the Oline the Bears currently have.... Get Some Oline PLEASE !
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Post by: Dave23 on April 30, 2021, 10:27:48 am
Ten names for #52...

Elijah Moore - WR
Dyami Brown - WR
Walker Little - OT
Dillon Radunz - OT
Elijah Molden - CB
Kelvin Joseph - CB
Jevon Holland - CB
Richie Grant - S
Landon Dickerson - C
Creed Humphrey - C
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 11:05:52 am
I didnt se Jenkins go yet. I would expect his number to be called quickly
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 11:11:30 am
According to Jay Busbee and Yahoo Sports,Chicago. Wait, really? The Bears? In "winners"? Really! The Bears dealt their way up to No. 11 and picked Justin Fields, who is already the best quarterback ever to play for Chicago.

I think we have to wait a few years to see that. My God Fields is already in the HOF.
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Post by: wmljohn on April 30, 2021, 12:00:36 pm
I am taking that Eddie Jackson Foles and Mitch weren't good friends....


https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/video-eddie-jackson-had-a-super-awkward-reaction-to-fields-pick/

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Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2021, 01:10:10 pm
I am taking that Eddie Jackson Foles and Mitch weren't good friends....


https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/video-eddie-jackson-had-a-super-awkward-reaction-to-fields-pick/

ďAnd when will Eddie Jackson start playing again like a real ÖĒ

No to get too political here but there was a lot of racial tension with the drafting of Trubisky.  If Mac Jonesl name was announced last night there would have been a lot more 'tension'.
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 01:32:52 pm
Ten names for #52...

Elijah Moore - WR
Dyami Brown - WR
Walker Little - OT
Dillon Radunz - OT
Elijah Molden - CB
Kelvin Joseph - CB
Jevon Holland - CB
Richie Grant - S
Landon Dickerson - C
Creed Humphrey - C

Moore will go early.

Walker Little has been rated to have as much talent at LT  as anyone this draft. Problem is he played great year 2 then was injured year 3 and covid year 4 .
Stanford also had a corner Adebo who can be a starter.

There a a couple of smaller school LT one from Cincinnati that Jeremiah says can play.

I think thereís a few other WR that can be added.

I hope they give Miller another chance I think he can mature.
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Post by: octagon on April 30, 2021, 01:48:03 pm
An article debunking the lazy read progression argument:
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/justin-fields-progressions-first-read-analysis

Another interesting film breakdown:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/4/29/22408286/film-room-breaking-down-justin-fields

I'm sure Dr Phil will make a Fields breakdown, so Im interested in what he has to say.  I know he was really high on Jones. 

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Post by: Dave23 on April 30, 2021, 02:55:29 pm
I agree on Moore. The only reason I included him is because I ran 3 mocks for round 2, and he was there for every one.

But, like you said...he should be long gone by 52...
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Post by: Dave23 on April 30, 2021, 02:56:53 pm
I took Little in my mocks.

He was a 1st round talent before the injury. If his medicals check out, Iíd roll the dice there.
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 03:03:44 pm
Packers should have drafted Moore.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 30, 2021, 03:26:58 pm
anyone think Texas OT Sam Cosmi will be there when the Bears pick in Round 2?
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Post by: octagon on April 30, 2021, 06:44:10 pm
Trade up for Jenkins
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 06:46:29 pm
Uggh. Great player but a RT.

Hello  Leno. 
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Post by: ISF on April 30, 2021, 06:51:00 pm
I like Cosmi better, but Jenkins is a huge upgrade. I like our picks, even if it's going to be a short draft.
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 06:56:33 pm
Jenkins allowed 2 sacks in over 1100 snaps, and short yardage plays will go behind him.

No cap room for free agency unless Pace can work something out.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 06:58:48 pm
Yes, we trade up for Jenkins at #39. Good move
.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 30, 2021, 07:15:11 pm
The Bears acquired the choice along with a fifth-rounder (No. 151) from the Carolina Panthers in exchange for picks in the second round (No. 52), third round (No. 83) and sixth round (No. 204).
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 07:23:34 pm
This feels like a restaurant served you 2 great steaks but no sides.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 07:51:41 pm
Cosmi and Radunz gone. So is Eikenberg. that appears to be all the rated OTs

Looks like we need to find a nut somewhere. Looks like we are done for the night
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Post by: boogie on April 30, 2021, 08:16:02 pm
I am kind of stoked about Jenkins.  We were mocked for him at 20, and now we have our QB and an OT who doesnt suck.  If he cant replace Leno immediately, he will give Ifedi a run for his money.  And I think the expiration date of the pornographic photos of Sweaty Teddy and Leno are expiring.  Love the OL upgrade.  Now if we can just get a DB/CB or possibly a WR it would be money. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2021, 08:25:49 pm
What gives me hope is the right side is rebuilt with Ifedi at RG and Jenkins at right Tackle those two ought to kick butt and take names. We will have a running game to the right
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Post by: Dave23 on April 30, 2021, 08:47:57 pm
Who sits? Daniels or Whitehair?
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 08:55:30 pm
LOL
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Post by: octagon on April 30, 2021, 09:13:34 pm
I'm still hoping Daniels can play center.  Id rather have Daniels at C and Ifedi at G than Daniels G and Mustipher C.  Even though he has the protection calling aspect down, he's just so limited athletically and size wise that I hope Daniels can take over for him.

In reading scouting reports, it seems like Jenkins main drawback is short arms and some footwork issues.  Ideally, he plays RT next year and flops over to LT when Leno leaves.  He definitely has the athleticism to handle LT.

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Post by: octagon on April 30, 2021, 09:36:12 pm
Tommy Tremble, my favorite player in this draft, goes to Carolina with our third.
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Post by: davebear on April 30, 2021, 11:04:39 pm
Not too excited about 3 sixth round picks.

I wonder if the can fanagle those into another fifth round.

Any possibility getting into the fourth would be even better.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 30, 2021, 11:16:23 pm
Ifedi blew chunks at right guard, was much better at tackle.
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Post by: dallasbear2 on April 30, 2021, 11:50:06 pm
This feels like a restaurant served you 2 great steaks but no sides.

Yep - but would you prefer a burger and fries?

Bears still can get some sides with a 5th and 3 6ths on Saturday.  Can't expect to fill all the depth issues on defense but remember Darnell Mooney was a 5th rounder last year.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 01:29:52 am
Jason Spriggs was the back-up LT last year. Is there even a back-up LT on the current roster?

Bears need some help on the Defensive side. CB, S, DL & LB could all use an upgrade.
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Post by: Pekin on May 01, 2021, 02:07:47 am
Yep - but would you prefer a burger and fries?

Bears still can get some sides with a 5th and 3 6ths on Saturday.  Can't expect to fill all the depth issues on defense but remember Darnell Mooney was a 5th rounder last year.

Two great steaks would be two QB's.  This is more like surf and turf.  The lower round picks will be the potato, bread and salad.
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Post by: Bears4Ever on May 01, 2021, 06:28:31 am
I guess its better than just water and all you can eat breadsticks ! :D
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 01, 2021, 07:06:47 am
Put me down for Jenkens starting at LT.

Jenkens Whitehair Mustipher Daniels Ifedi
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Post by: boogie on May 01, 2021, 08:48:58 am
Plus we have the TWO LT guys who we took in the 7th round last year, cant even remember their names.  And since Leno was a 7th rounder, maybe that is Pace's master plan...
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Post by: Coach on May 01, 2021, 09:00:45 am
Plus we have the TWO LT guys who we took in the 7th round last year, cant even remember their names.  And since Leno was a 7th rounder, maybe that is Pace's master plan...

Hambright and Simmons. Sounds like the two winners on The Running Man. Basking on the beach. 
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Post by: boogie on May 01, 2021, 09:08:24 am
I think I am really going to like this kid:

I had a long conversation with Jenkins that paints a picture of why heís considered an elite talent. We talked about growing up in Topeka, why he chose Oklahoma State, his mentality as an offensive lineman, and a whole lot more.

JM: You grew up in Topeka, Kansas. I know itís the capital, but Iíll admit that I donít know a lot about Topeka. What was life like growing up?

TJ: I had a good upbringing. Just like any other city, Topeka has some streets and areas that you want to avoid. I tried to stay away from the rougher parts of town.

I always felt like somebody was trying to influence me to head into those parts of town, but luckily I had some great people in my life that kept me away from that. The good people in my life kept me away from all that. They made sure I stayed clear of those areas.

I had a great upbringing. My support system was excellent. I didnít grow up in a rough neighborhood. I grew up on the southeast side of town. It was the better side of town. It was a middle-class, blue-collar type of neighborhood.

There are definitely some parts of town in Topeka that are out of control. There are certain parts of town that definitely get a bad rep nowadays.

JM: You also went to the local high school where you played basketball and baseball in addition to football. What did you enjoy about playing baseball and basketball, and how did they make you a better football player?

TJ: I really enjoyed playing those two sports. They made me a better athlete in general. They improved my footwork and I play with greater hip flexibility because of it. I have an easier time getting low to the ground. I can take certain angles that another guy canít. Thereís so much that goes into it.

Those sports made me a better football player because they opened up my horizons. Having different types of competition in life is a good thing. I never strayed away from football, though. Playing those two sports, the skills you learn donít stray too far from football either. Playing multiple sports definitely helped me with my speed too. They made me a better overall athlete.

JM: You finish high school and you chose to attend Oklahoma State. Why OSU over some of the other offers you had?

TJ: I get this question a lot. I narrowed it down to which strength coach I thought could get the best out of me. Coming into college fresh out of high school, I knew I was gonna spend a lot of time around the strength coach. Thatís a day-in, day-out activity for a young kid. I decided to go with strength and conditioning coach Rob Glass from Oklahoma State. We had a great connection. I felt really good about the work he was doing at OSU.

That was my No. 1 factor. After that, I had to decide whether or not I felt comfortable enough to play for the O-line coach there. I decided that I was very comfortable with that. He was only there for a year and a half. I believe he left for another job at Marshall.

Things worked out the way they did. I wound up playing for three different offensive line coaches but I feel like going to Oklahoma State was the right decision. My strength and conditioning coach [coach Glass] is still there today.

JM: I love that. Oklahoma State hasnít had an offensive tackle drafted since Russell Okung went in the top 10 back in 2010. Youíre obviously going to end that streak. Nonetheless, the school hasnít exactly been known to produce many NFL O-linemen as of late. Thatís one of my favorite things about you as a prospect. Youíre about to end that drought by getting drafted really early in April.

TJ: I feel like weíve had some good players on the O-line over the past couple of years. Zachary Crabtree was one of my mentors. He didnít get drafted, but he signed with the Los Angeles Chargers as an undrafted free agent.

We had a lot of great leaders on the offensive line that went undrafted. They got overshadowed throughout the process. I donít know why that happened. Maybe it had something to do with what you said. Thereís a negative stigma about the offensive line at Oklahoma State. Maybe thatís been the case since Okung got drafted.

Being the one thatís about to break that streak is a huge accomplishment for me. Iím so happy to have the chance to do that for my school.

JM: Iím sure everybody at Oklahoma State is so proud of you. You finished your career at Oklahoma State with two really strong seasons in 2019 and 2020. How do you look back on your career?

TJ: I look back and think that I had a couple of solid seasons. I can always get better, though. I donít really pay attention to the good plays. I look back on it and I look at the things I could have done better. I watch the plays where I didnít do so well. I donít watch the highlights. I pay attention to what I didnít do as well as maybe some other guys did.

I look at my mess-ups and my failures. I look for how I can capitalize by getting better in those areas. Nobody gets better by watching their highlights. Theyíre fun to watch, but thatís where it stops. Where you get better is by watching your failures and learning how to change the outcome of those results.

JM: I love your attitude and outlook on that. Thatís the right way to approach the game. How are you finding this pre-draft process so far? What does your training regimen look like?

TJ: Itís been a lot of fun. Itís the most fun Iíve had in a while. This place [EXOS in Frisco, Texas] is keeping me very happy. Everybody is so top notch here.

I feel lighter. Iím way faster in everything Iím doing. We do a whole bunch of workouts in the morning and afternoon. I feel great. This is the best my body has felt in years.

Weight-wise, Iím down quite a bit from the 2020 season. I played this past year around 325 pounds, maybe 330. I weigh 315 pounds today. Iíve cut my body fat percentage by like six or seven percent. Iím down to 19.5% body fat right now.

JM: Thatís excellent news. Youíve played a lot of left tackle and right tackle in your career. Youíve also played at guard. Has there been a consensus opinion from NFL teams on where they see you playing at the next level?

TJ: Teams have been asking me that question. They wanna know what my opinion on that is. They wanna know where I feel most comfortable. Most teams have asked me where I see myself playing on the first day of camp.

I always answer that question the same way. I see myself playing somewhere on the right side. It doesnít matter if Iím a guard or tackle. I can play both. You saw it on tape.

Teams like that answer.

This whole time at EXOS, Iíve been working on my stance as a left tackle or left guard. Thatís where Iím trying to get more comfortable. Playing right tackle or right guard comes naturally to me. Thatís where Iíve been playing since high school.

Even before high school, I was a right tackle and defensive end growing up. Iíve spent some time getting more comfortable playing on the left side of the offensive line here at EXOS because I believe that versatility is always a good thing.

JM: Thatís a terrific way to approach it. Whatís your favorite part of playing the offensive tackle position?

TJ: My favorite part of playing the tackle position is that I take great pride in taking care of my teammates. I really enjoy helping provide a clean pocket.

Say I make a big block or a cut-off block. Seeing Chuba [Hubbard] or Spencer [Sanders] take the ball 30 yards downfield, thatís the best thing in the world to me. I enjoy helping my guys make big plays. If my quarterback got hit at all during the game, I look back at my performance and say that I did a bad job. I had a bad day at work that day.

JM: Thatís an offensive lineman mentality right there. When I watch your game, the biggest thing that jumps out at me is how consistently you take control of a rep right off the snap. You do it with your hands. The power, timing, and positioning of your strike is extremely advanced.

TJ: It all resorts back to practice. My offensive line coach this past season, coach Charlie Dickey, put us through a lot of great drills and workouts. He worked on my ability to strike and anchor. We worked on how to strike and press. More importantly, we worked on when to do it.

He taught me not to lunge. Thatís another thing I continue to work on this offseason. I gotta make sure I keep my shoulders back. Coach Dickey emphasizes the strike of your hands. He wants to see powerful hands and he wants you to place them well.

I have a lot of people to thank for that. I agree with you, thatís one of the bigger strengths of my game. I have to give coach Dickey credit for that.

JM: Playing at Oklahoma State, the Air Raid offense can be polarizing at times. It sort of goes back to how we discussed offensive linemen getting overlooked at OSU. How did playing in that offense prepare you for whatís next?

TJ: It prepared me for a lot of things really. We used to run a quick three-drop system. We switched to a five-to-seven step drop. It changed a whole bunch of things for us.

Iíve seen a lot of NFL offenses incorporate some quick drop step things as of late. It pops up on tape.

I feel like my pass sets are going to make such a smooth transition to the next level because of the drop depth of the quarterback. Itís easy for me to adjust to that because once I figure out where the depth of the quarterback is, I can change up my stance and anything else I need to change. It reflects in my game. Itís going to be a smooth transition for me.

JM: Letís talk a little more about your pass sets. Do you have a favorite?

TJ: My favorite thing to do is jump set. Guys never expect that. Once you do that and get your hands on them, they canít move at all. Itís a lot of fun for me.

When you do a jump set, they have to be patient enough to figure out if itís a passing play or running play because youíre going right at them. They donít always know how to react at first. When you get them on first, that puts them in a tough spot if you get your hands in the right places.

We did some horizontal sets, something like a 45-degree set if thereís a 5-technique or 6-technique lined up there. When it was a wide-9, we were supposed to do a vertical set.

If there was a viking look, which is two 3-techniques and a 5-technique, we attempted a vertical set to protect ourselves from getting picked on twists. If it was a true pass set on third down, we ran more vertical sets than usual.

JM: Thatís an excellent explanation. EXOS has been putting players through something like a mock combine as of late. Have you run through any of those drills, and if so, what were some of the numbers?

TJ: Yeah, I did. I hit 34 reps on the bench press. I had a 33-inch vertical jump and I ran the 40-yard dash in 5.03 and 5.06 seconds in my two attempts.

JM: Those are some fantastic numbers. Weíve reached the virtual part of the draft. How is that process going for you, and which teams have you met with so far?

TJ: The process is going smoothly. Iím having a lot of help from my girlfriend (laughs). She has a calendar and sheís helping me set up and keep track of the appointments. Sheís helping me set the schedule.

I met with the Cardinals yesterday and Iím meeting with them again today [editorís note: the interview was completed on 3/3]. Iíve spoken with the Chiefs. Weíve already set up a future meeting.

Iíve also spoken with the Broncos, Ravens, Colts, Patriots, Buccaneers, Jets, Bills, Packers, Jaguars, Saints, and Titans. I heard from the 49ers in February.

JM: Thereís a lot of interest in you and itís easy to see why. What sort of mentality does it take to become a successful offensive lineman?

TJ: Itís pretty straightforward. I just go out there and try to be a d***h**d (laughs). You canít worry about anybodyís feelings. Do your job. Whoever is in front of me, itís my job to beat their ass up.

The No. 1 rule is to protect your quarterback.

JM: Youíre a guy that plays through the whistle. It pops up on tape time and time again.

TJ: I feel like I added that element to my game in 2020. I did that after my strength coach Rob Glass reiterated it to me. He told me that if I was thinking about entering the 2021 draft, and I quote, ďyou need to start road grading motherf****rs.Ē So thatís what I did. He also told me not to be a slap d**k (laughs). What that means basically is, donít be somebody that finds difficulty in everything. Practice makes perfect.

I started training this past offseason harder than ever before. It definitely worked in my favor.

JM: Thatís hilarious. I love strength coaches. Weíve talked a lot about your physicality, your mentality, and how polished your hands are. Whatís one strength of your game that you think doesnít get talked about enough?

TJ: I would definitely say my ability to climb up the second level and get up on a safety. Iím telling you, go back and revisit my film against Oregon State. On that play where Tylan [Wallace] busted that wide receiver screen, I was downfield blocking for him (laughs).

Thatís my favorite thing to do. I love to run downfield and block somebody in space.

JM: Thatís a terrific answer. Weíre going to end things on that note. Iíve really appreciated your time today. I feel like youíve allowed me to pick your brain in a way that shows why youíre one of the best offensive linemen in this yearís draft. In closing, when an NFL team spends a first-round pick on Teven Jenkins, what kind of guy are they getting?

TJ: Theyíre getting a trustworthy, hard-working man first and foremost. I have a blue-collar type of work ethic. Thatís how Iíve been my entire life. Thatís the only way I know how to be. Iím ready to go to work day in, day out. Thatís what you can expect from Teven Jenkins at the next level.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on May 01, 2021, 09:12:59 am
https://twitter.com/i/status/1388323249935749123
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on May 01, 2021, 09:15:14 am
Going into the season with Mustipher as the starter would be a mistake in my opinion.  He's not physically capable of blocking NFL d linemen solo at this point.  I hope Pace takes a C today.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 10:19:26 am
Mustipher looked terrible on the TNL tape reviews. Really bad.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2021, 12:11:24 pm

I would be stunned if Jenkins replaces Leno in 2021.  I just hope he can win the RT spot.  You just never know with rookies.  If Jenkins can master RT then and only then do you think about sliding him to LT in 2022.

Mustipher got a lot of praise coming in at center when he did but I was never sold on him.  His PFF grade is low.  He's young and maybe just needs another year, but if Daniels (or Whitehair) has to go to center then that opens the door for Ifedi or better yet Bars to play RG. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2021, 12:19:34 pm

Let's see if Pace has the patience to wait until R5 for his firs pick today.  Don't be surprised if he trades up into R4 or trades up the R6 picks for another R5.  He loves to trade up.  And if you get the right guy that's great.  The only problem is you don't have a lot of draft picks contending for spots not so much next year but in future years.

It does provide an advantage in signing rookie free agents since the Bears will only have a handful of top draft choices.

Holes to fill:
- WR especially if they plan to dump Anthony Miller (bad move in my opinion)
- TE - Graham is a FA after this year
- CB/nickel back - biggest need right now
- LT - a longshot
- C - not sold on Mustipher
- ILB - future Trevathan replacement
- SS

I might even try to draft two defensive backs.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on May 01, 2021, 01:23:54 pm
Larry Borom is the 5th round pick.  Listed as T, but scouting report sounds like a G.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on May 01, 2021, 01:44:37 pm
I would be stunned if Jenkins replaces Leno in 2021.  I just hope he can win the RT spot.  You just never know with rookies.  If Jenkins can master RT then and only then do you think about sliding him to LT in 2022.

Mustipher got a lot of praise coming in at center when he did but I was never sold on him.  His PFF grade is low.  He's young and maybe just needs another year, but if Daniels (or Whitehair) has to go to center then that opens the door for Ifedi or better yet Bars to play RG.


Slightly shocking that Dallas doesnt think Jenkins can beat out Leno.   ::)
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: boogie on May 01, 2021, 01:47:24 pm
Borom looks like a RT.  Jenkins at LT, lets see who plays C. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2021, 01:55:57 pm
Ok so now we have about 12 right tackles
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2021, 02:44:57 pm

No, we have 12 guards. 

As for the comments about Leno.  I am not a fan - he needs to be upgraded. 

But I don't see a better LT on the team right now. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2021, 03:05:19 pm
Havenít heard anything from the team about moving Jenkins to LT.

According to Thayer coaches should be able to tell pretty quickly if he has the balance and skills to switch.

Problem is you can screw up a guyís mechanics so heís not ready to start at all.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2021, 03:09:07 pm
Bears are really thin at corner.

Wouldnít mind a couple in the sixth since weíre drafting in bunches.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2021, 03:35:39 pm
Ifedi blew chunks at right guard, was much better at tackle.

I think the Bears maybe heard you. They drafted their 7th guard on the roster for you in round 5. Woo Hoo!

Oh and they dont believe in drafting Offensive Tackles
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2021, 04:02:17 pm

A lot of college tackles don't have the feet or arm length to play either tackle spot and are moved to guard.

At this point in the draft your hoping these rookies just make the team or the practice squad. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2021, 04:04:45 pm
Havenít heard anything from the team about moving Jenkins to LT.

According to Thayer coaches should be able to tell pretty quickly if he has the balance and skills to switch.

Problem is you can screw up a guyís mechanics so heís not ready to start at all.

If you read that interview Jenkins said he's always played the right side including guard but has been open to playing the left side.  A couple practices against Khalil Mack and the Bears will be able to point out his defeciencies.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:08:19 pm
the predictions I've read had Borom as a 6th rounder. He was a RT, but projects as a RG. Maybe one of our Gs can move to C.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:19:26 pm
Bears pick RB Khalil Herbert - 5'9 small RB.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:23:20 pm
5-8 7/8, 210 lbs, grad transfer from Virginia Tech. prediction was 6th round so not a reach, but not a need.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:26:14 pm
Bears pick Dazz Newsome WR. 5-10, 190 North Carolina
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:33:44 pm
Newsome had 72 rec. as junior & 54 as senior. returns punts
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:37:43 pm
just read that Newsome ran a 4.38, that's good, if you're short you need to be fast.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: octagon on May 01, 2021, 04:40:40 pm
I like the Newsome pick.  We need both punt and kick returner. 
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2021, 04:41:55 pm
What happened with getting a CB?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:52:56 pm
last pick:

Thomas Graham CB, Oregon, 5-10 1/2, 192
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 04:55:42 pm
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2931272-thomas-graham-jr-nfl-draft-2021-scouting-report-for-chicago-bears-cb
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 05:04:19 pm
Graham's 40 was 4.52, so not fast for position. Opted out of 2020.

Not playing last year might mean his draft stock fell or it could mean he will be behind.

He's gotta be better than Duke Shelley, right?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 05:08:54 pm
Wait, we got a 7th round pick? Where did that come from.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 01, 2021, 05:14:21 pm
Wait, we got a 7th round pick? Where did that come from.

https://sports.yahoo.com/seahawks-trade-6th-round-pick-210331047.html
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2021, 05:34:36 pm
Backup nose tackle round 7 Tonga BYU.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 05:34:47 pm
7th round - Khyiris Tonga BYU DT. 6-2 325 lbs
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 05:46:03 pm
Tonga is old, will be 25 in July. Went on a Mormon mission for 2 years. Scouts worry about his weight.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 05:53:27 pm
undrafted free agency up. Bears still have holes to fill.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2021, 06:30:32 pm
Already signed 2 DTs and an edge linebacker
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 06:36:17 pm
well, list them for us. don't keep it a secret.

Herbert Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuAwR0nB2lI
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 06:41:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHK-w3NWCC0
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 01, 2021, 07:00:03 pm
well, list them for us. don't keep it a secret.

Herbert Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuAwR0nB2lI

Iím driving. Look up on Bearswire
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 01, 2021, 07:06:00 pm
https://twitter.com/jasonlieser/status/1388645250651017217?s=21
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 07:17:08 pm
I remember this guy - he was really good:

https://www.wmbfnews.com/2021/05/01/former-coastal-carolina-rb-cj-marable-signs-with-chicago-bears/
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 07:23:08 pm
tall DE from Stanford Thomas Schaffer:

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/04/thomas-schaffer/
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 07:30:20 pm
this guy looks like he's got a chance:

https://www.streakingthelawn.com/2021/4/29/22408396/2021-nfl-draft-player-profile-virginia-olb-charles-snowden
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 10:37:58 pm
Gage Cervenka OG/C was the strongest player at Clemson:

https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/college-football/nfl-draft/player/55888/gage-cervenka

https://rubbingtherock.com/2020/05/02/clemson-football-fact-gage-cervenka-wasnt-drafted-travesty/

Maybe we can make him a Center.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 10:49:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj5NEyGIeaU
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 01, 2021, 10:51:05 pm
this guy looks like he's got a chance:

https://www.streakingthelawn.com/2021/4/29/22408396/2021-nfl-draft-player-profile-virginia-olb-charles-snowden

A poor man's Leonard Floyd.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 10:57:20 pm
He missed  last yr with an injury.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2021, 11:07:10 pm
LOOKING AT THE DRAFT one has to be pleased & optimistic.

the 5th round pick of Borom sticks out as strange, but it's the only complaint I have.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 02, 2021, 06:12:46 am
Montgomery has to be saying "WTF is up with all these RBs they are bringing in ?". Unless there are position changes, or Nagy decides to run 3 RB sets, his touches will go down and he won't be happy (not to mention if Fields is running some too).

Very surprised in this draft- it seems too competent. What aliens came (ala the Body Snatchers) and swapped out the stooges for the guys in charge the last few days ? :D

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: VJ on May 02, 2021, 09:33:59 am
All I have been hearing on various podcasts is that Leno is dead man walking and approx $9 million savings as a post June 1 cut.

I hope the Bears keep Miller.

Probably a luxury they cannot afford, but I wouldn't mind Graham sticking around either.

I have never been this excited about a Chicago Bears draft before.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 02, 2021, 09:48:40 am
It still rankles a bit that without "Robber" Quinn (AKA dropfoot), Nick Foles, and Andy Dalton wasting cap space, the Bears would not have had to put a hole in their secondary by losing Fuller. Seems a Pace specialty to drill holes in the boat while building it.....

Still, if nothing else the drafting of Fields should yield some excitement, if nothing else. And in the end, win or lose, that is what counts as the $$$ continues to flow.....

It also sucks that the old NFCC Bucs (still remember when they were the sad sacks in the NFL along with New Orleans) have 2 SB trophies and the Bears only 1. Inexcusable :D

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 02, 2021, 04:15:08 pm
Good to hear Mike Grundy thinks Jenkins is so naturally athletic he could make a smooth transition to LT.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2021, 04:20:22 pm
A poor man's Leonard Floyd.

Thank you I needed a laugh
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2021, 05:06:46 pm
I see some board members have been drinking Bears Koolaid about this Bears draft. Except for 2 decent players  I dont see much to cheer about.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 02, 2021, 07:27:46 pm
YOU HAVE TO SCORE IN THE EARLY ROUNDS OF THE DRAFT. Something Pace has been hit or miss with.

We got a QB I thought was the second or 3rd best behind Lawrence. We got a OT that was graded a 1st round pick in the second round.

We had no 3rd or 4th round pick.

Anything after the 4th round is historically just a crap shoot. Just looking for diamonds in the rough or special team standouts.

No one expects ALL PROS in the 6th round.

RB Herbert & WR Newsome are return men. Both were star players at big time college programs.
CB Graham was a productive player at Oregon who sat out covid year.
Tonga fills a need as a back up NT.

But it all comes down to FIELDS and JENKINS.

I like both picks, why don't you?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2021, 07:34:54 pm
Your reading skills seem to be lax tonight, Try reading my post again. Show me where I said I didnt like our 1st 2 picks
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 02, 2021, 07:46:41 pm
If you hit home runs in the first 2 rounds in a draft where you only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds there is really nothing to complain about.

It's true I thought the Borom pick in the 5th was a bit odd - but only because of the position he plays. I kinda think OL was a priority & they didn't imagine a Jenkins would fall to them so they were scouting for a mid to late round round OL they might pick up & Borom was a guy that caught their eye. So he was a "best available" pick in the 5th.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on May 02, 2021, 08:53:03 pm
I enjoy following the UFAs just based on the underdog story.

Being able to spot UFAs tells you how good your scouting department is.

Brian Piccolo & Len Walterscheid were Bear UFAs, more recently Roy Rob Harris & Alex Bars.

I root for the Thomas Ives of the world because they are UFAs & unlikely to be given a fair shot.

Its especially fun when a college standout like C J Marable goes undrafted, a guy who caught my eye last year.

But I'm not drinking Kool-Aid, I just find it fun.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2021, 09:07:09 pm
This is what gets me:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2021/5/2/22416173/charles-snowden-2021-nfl-draft-questions-facing-bears-season-justin-fields-ryan-pace-andy-dalton

"How many games will Justin Fields start in 2021?
17. Thereís no way anyone can look at what Fields did at Ohio State and rule out the possibility that heís better than Andy Dalton. Fields is the most gifted quarterback to set foot in Halas Hall in decadesóat leastóand heís going to be explosive when he hits the practice field. His deep ball and ridiculous speed set him apart, so why wait?"

I dont see that as being realistic. Could that happen? It very well could. I mean we are talking about the Bears here. And there is no mention here of Foles. What happens with all this money they've spent on these 2

guys?
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on May 02, 2021, 09:22:32 pm
My guess is that Foles gets traded.  Probably when someone loses their starting QB to injury.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Pekin on May 02, 2021, 09:24:53 pm
Unless we are winning with Dalton they will make the switch after 4 or 5 games to Fields.

If Dalton is doing the job they will keep Fields on the bench unless Dalton gets injured.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 03, 2021, 06:58:34 am
Considering how depressing the season went, the announcement that the stooges would be back for another season, Andy Dalton signed (along with Kyle Fuller let go)  and Nagy was going back to doing play calling (which was just an icing of pus on the **** cake Bears fans had to eat), this draft was (on the whole) very uplifting.

The real question, other than whether the guys drafted can play, is whether this was a "blind squirrel finding a nut" or the "new normal" kind of draft. Probably something in between.....

Still don't trust the stooges, and they will continue styled such until (if) they manage to show above average competence with the performance of this team. No 8-8, backing into the playoffs and getting destroyed. Getting over the inferiority complex the Bears have with "those people" in Greenbay. As well as competent management of personnel (no more Andy Daltons and "Robber" Quinns).

As I said earlier, the Bears old opponent from the NFC Central (Bucs)  have TWO superbowl trophies (I refuse to call it the Lomardi trophy btw). That alone should make the McMediocres seethe. But somehow, as long as they are making money and living on past laurels earned by others who came before them, I get the sneaky suspicion they don't......

I've wasted a lot of time of my life following this team. But it will all be worth it if they can get a championship or two while I'm still alive....

Go Bears !
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 03, 2021, 09:29:13 am

The real question, other than whether the guys drafted can play, is whether this was a "blind squirrel finding a nut" or the "new normal" kind of draft. Probably something in between.....

Pace had some real disasters with Kevin White, Trubisky and Adam Shaheen but seems to be improving in the draft as of late.

Did you like the 2020 draft?  Kmet, JJ and Mooney?

In 2019 Bears did not have a first or a second but snagged a pro-bowl quality HB in Montgomery.

2018 brought the Bears Roquan Smith, James Daniels, Miller and Bilal Nichols

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 03, 2021, 10:04:57 am
I just don't like the fact that Pace seems to keep "punching himself in the face" by making holes while fixing more holes (Fuller a lead example with a nod to letting Floyd walk and replacing him with "Robber" Quinn, which incidentally helped lead to Fuller walking in the 1st place).

I guess every GM does that to some extent but this is the Bears God Damn it ! Being just average (kindest thing to say so far at best) at your job is NOT good grounds for continued employment in what should be the PREMIER team that initiated the whole NFL. Instead, they are almost an afterthought after decades of "ungreatness". Kids growing up today know who the Packers, Patriots and even the damn Bucs are. The Bears ? Not so much. This has a knock-on effect for the NEXT generation of fans, although, the way the NFL is trending with pissing a lot of fans, this may be a moot point.....

This draft this year was the 1st year IMHO it feels like Pace did well with the top end and lower end of the draft. I hope its an outlier and not an anomaly.

Time will tell. There will be ups and downs for sure (pray its more ups than downs) and there is always the turmoil in "Those People" up North to take schadenfreude in.... :D
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: navigator on May 03, 2021, 12:44:50 pm
I donít like how Pace keeps trading future picks. I can see it with Fields and Jenkins but would rather he were more protective of picks.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2021, 12:48:05 pm
Picks are like toilet paper
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2021, 01:32:44 pm
No way the Bears give Floyd the 5th year after what?  2 or 3 sacks in 2019.  Nobody knew Quinn would have a similar season sack wise in 2020 as Floyd did in 2019.  Especially after Quinn was coming off double digit sacks with Dallas.  The Floyd/Quinn situation was just crazy.

I was a huge supporter of Fuller when he sat himself out with a bad knee.  Most everyone questioned his manhood including Fangio. 

But look at his numbers since his stellar 2018 season and itís just not the interception decline.  He wanted $20M this season and would not renegotiate.  With that money the Bears signed several free agents that were desperately needed.

Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: navigator on May 03, 2021, 01:40:24 pm
I know the cap is a mess but I would have liked to have kept Leno at least through training camp to make sure the rookie can actually play LT
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: guest77 on May 04, 2021, 01:08:15 pm
... (I refuse to call it the Lombardi trophy btw). ...Go Bears !



Amen to that.  It should be called the George Halas Trophy.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: 46 on May 04, 2021, 04:33:30 pm
George Halas made, lived, and died a Chicago Bear. Lombardi.........didn't
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 04, 2021, 04:55:06 pm
Wish they could've named it the Halas Trophy. But at least the Halas Trophy is the NFC championship trophy. Packers got lucky early in the SB era so the name was eventually stuck.....
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2021, 06:39:00 am
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-charles-leno-20210503-tkjxs5xbyvfutmr3lkgxceksqy-story.html

Interesting read
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2021, 07:41:50 am
Looking at QB depth charts around the league, I find it hard to believe we couldn't find a taker for Foles if we chose to do so.

I see at least 10 teams where Foles would easily fit as the #2...some of them contenders who would be devastated by an injury to their starter.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2021, 09:27:08 am
Still think he lands with the Jets. Douglas came from Philly and they have no one besides Wilson.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2021, 09:28:33 am
They were #1 on my list...seems like a perfect fit for him...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2021, 09:50:44 am
I know beggars cant be choosers but it would be nice to get a pick too, but maybe thats too much to hope for
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 05, 2021, 11:44:10 am

I agree with Pekin - all it takes is for one starting QB to go down.

I'm not sure what the cap savings would be (Foles contract still has 2 years lef)  but Bears should be able to get a 3rd day pick.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 05, 2021, 11:48:02 am
It could be that the Bears always want Fields to be either #1 or #3 and not ever have him as the primary backup.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2021, 11:59:32 am
Thatís a consideration as well...
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: davebear on May 06, 2021, 05:39:59 pm
Jenkins played LT 3 games each of his soph and jr years.  He was to be a LT last year and practiced there in camp.  After the first game their right tackle was injured and the best backup was a LT so Jenkins was moved to right.

So he has experience at LT and the Bears were able to evaluate him.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 06, 2021, 10:39:31 pm

That switch to the right side probably cost Jenkins 1st round money (see Orlando Brown).  Bears were fortunate to get him at 39.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2021, 11:08:39 am
Bears draft ranking?

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/08/bears-nfl-draft-day-3-steals-khalil-herbert-thomas-graham/

Supposedly Pace got steals. Being things are relative, we shall see.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: dallasbear2 on May 09, 2021, 11:15:01 pm

I've never seen so many draft grades of A for a draft as this past one.

We'll see how it grades out in a year or two.


As for the Foles status - no rush.  Who knows maybe there will be an injury for a starting QB in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on May 10, 2021, 11:35:25 am
could be.....lol
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 12, 2021, 03:18:27 pm
Awesome look inside the Bears war room on draft day...

https://theathletic.com/2578073/2021/05/12/exclusive-behind-justin-fields-selection-with-bears-gm-ryan-pace/?source=dailyemail
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: BillSharp on September 25, 2021, 10:16:49 am
QB Jake Haener of Fresno State has caught my eye. I think he leads the nation in passing yards. Really fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JACKIEJOKEMAN REDUX on November 30, 2022, 02:08:40 pm
QB Jake Haener of Fresno State has caught my eye. I think he leads the nation in passing yards. Really fun to watch.

 B.S.

 We need to be looking forward to draft picks in 2019. With our draft status there's no way we go wrong.
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2022, 02:13:27 pm
Thats a year old post Jackie. Dont be an Oddo moron who cant read or write
Title: Re: 2021 NFL Draft
Post by: JACKIEJOKEMAN REDUX on November 30, 2022, 02:16:12 pm
Thats a year old post Jackie. Dont be an Oddo moron who cant read or write

 ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM !!!!!


 Right over your fuuckin head!!