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Title: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 02, 2021, 04:34:34 pm
A new season!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 02, 2021, 07:51:20 pm
Velocity reading via Arizona Phil
https://www.thecubreporter.com/comment/268971#comment-268971
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 03, 2021, 08:10:06 am
Quote from: ESPN
The schedule continues on Wednesday, March 3, at 3 p.m. when the Chicago Cubs and Javier Báez host the Seattle Mariners and Kyle Seager from Sloan Park in Mesa, Ariz. Jason Benetti will call the action with analyst Jessica Mendoza.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 03, 2021, 10:04:30 am
https://twitter.com/MLBastian/status/1367142503531487237?s=20

Interested in seeing Stewart and Workman.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 03, 2021, 11:01:16 am
So the plan is to play 9?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 03, 2021, 11:30:56 am
Yes, today's is scheduled as a nine inning game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 03, 2021, 11:48:37 am
They asked Hoyer if there were any "don't-sleep-on" guys.  He mentioned Holder, who had just pitched the previous inning.  The only other guy he mentioned was Kohl Stewart, who he said has looked really good in his bullpens. 


As a former high first-rounder, I'd have thought Steward might be a big-arm guy.  But per his fangraphs stats from 2018 and 19, he was just a pedestrian 93, no faster than any other camp body or non-roster invite. 


He's had a couple of years to work on things, so it might be fun if he's got something now that he didn't before. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 03, 2021, 12:03:22 pm
Yes.  Holder and Stewart.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 03, 2021, 12:51:08 pm
I rewatched the Fenter inning.  I kinda liked his delivery. 
Fastball looked fine but not special, as AzPhil's readings suggest, he was the same as everybody else, and less than Maples/Wilson/Alzolay yesterday.  Looked like he might be able to locate his fastball. 

The scouting of course was that he has a good curve.  As happens with lots of curveballers, if you live on the curve but can't locate the curve, as was true yesterday, things won't look that great.  Still, his first outing and probably some nerves, so not that rare for a curveballer to be off on his first game of camp. 

I'm guessing he's not special enough to go out of your way to give him a roster spot, but I'd like to keep him if possible.  But probably will need some kind of deal with Baltimore to make that work. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on March 03, 2021, 01:02:06 pm
I can’t believe it - a live Cubs baseball game
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on March 03, 2021, 02:38:42 pm
Basketball is a huge drag. This announcer the girl is a huge drag, wishy washy. Rizzo should be traded immediately .
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on March 03, 2021, 02:45:20 pm
What a bunch of show off clowns.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on March 03, 2021, 03:05:12 pm
She should be banned from baseball, she is just terrible , corn corn corn
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 03, 2021, 04:35:04 pm
https://youtu.be/krRrtfTHoi4
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on March 03, 2021, 04:47:59 pm
Hermosillo went yard.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 03, 2021, 06:31:34 pm
About 20 years ago, the Cubs had a minor league center fielder named Vee Hightower.  He was the best defensive center fielder I have ever seen in the minors.  Very tall and lanky, and could run like a deer.  He was a switch hitter that looked amazing in batting practice, but never made it consistently in games.  He had one very good year at the plate at Daytona, but that was it.  A chronic shoulder injury ended his career the next season.

He came to mind because Brennan Davis has a batting stance that was identical to Hightower.  He just looks like a hitter.  I really didn't get to see him much in the field.  Any scouting reports on his defense.  I have heard that they expect him to end up in RF, but have not heard why.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dallen7908 on March 03, 2021, 07:22:52 pm
Congratulations to Tommy Nance who made his first appearance in a ML spring training game today a few weeks short of his 30th birthday.

RHRP Tommy Nance  6'6" 235 Lbs. (199103) [Santa Clara] Spent 2010-2014 playing college baseball. Then, after an injury-shortened 2014, he made his professional debut with the Windy City Thunderbolts of the Frontier League in 2015 where he struggled early but posted a 3.47 ERA and 1.16 WHIP after the Frontier League All Star game.  In 2016 he posted a 36/15 K/W in 38 IP of which 27 were in CAR; 0.243 BAA.  Spent 2017 on DL.  Opened 2018 in AA where he pitched pretty well before going on DL in mid-June; 20/11 K/W in 20.2 SL IP with 0.187 BAA.  Opened 2019 in AA where he pitched the most innings of his minor league career posting a solid 56/18 K/W in 48.2 IP with 0.240 BAA while holding lefties to a 0.184 BAA.  Invited to ML spring training in 2021. Blew save in his first but hopefully not last outing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 03, 2021, 09:19:18 pm
If every game from now on was announced like that one, with interviews every half inning and no PBP hardly at all, I’d never watch another game.

That was torture.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on March 03, 2021, 09:51:07 pm
ESPN is the worst
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 03, 2021, 10:34:07 pm
If every game from now on was announced like that one, with interviews every half inning and no PBP hardly at all, I’d never watch another game.

That was torture.

Yes. 

I had it on for a little bit, and they were talking to Joc Peterson.  Brennan Davis got drilled, at first I thought it had maybe hit him in the head.  I'm worried, is he OK, did it hit him in the head or where, where's the replay?  Peterson was watching and saw it too, and was obviously wondering if Davis was OK.  But the announcers didn't even notice, or show a replay or anything either, or address whether Davis was OK, or anything.  They had no interest or awareness. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 03, 2021, 11:11:07 pm
ESPN should at least put up a graphic identifying who’s hitting, for each batter.  These announcers are insufferable, so better to watch with sound muted.

Watched Sciambi and JD Tuesday and they had good chemistry for their first game together. Will miss Kasper but these guys will be fun.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 03, 2021, 11:27:53 pm
ESPN+ is also trying to compete with the Athletic, but doesn't measure up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 04, 2021, 08:10:58 am
Not knowing who was hitting was ridiculous.

I watched Strumpf’s first AB thinking he was (at first) Kohl Stewart getting an AB for whatever reason, and then some other minor leaguer named Stewart (is Ian back?), because I couldn’t see the last name clearly, and the announcers were oblivious to the fact that there was a game going on...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 04, 2021, 11:56:14 am
It is made worse by the fact that in the later innings, they stopped play by play almost altogether.  And that is usually the innings that the players and prospects I want to see are put into the game.  Like Craig, I think that a hitter getting hit in the head by a pitch is more important to inform us about than the question of who gets to be on Rizzo's boat.  And like Dave, I didn't know Strumpf was in the game until he was done batting.

ESPN was just as bad last year, and when Sciambi was given the Cubs job, I was concerned that he would bring a lot of that crap with him.  He didn't, at least in the first game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 04, 2021, 12:09:22 pm
The ESPN announcers were not at the ballpark, so hard to tell if they could even identify—from the feed they saw—who were the minor leaguers in the game. The production team should be doing that with graphics.

Other than that,I don’t care if they want to deviate from calling the game, up to a point. Went overboard this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 04, 2021, 12:29:28 pm
Thursday, March 4     8:00 PM EST     Chicago Cubs @ Los Angeles Dodgers

The game is on the MLB Network.    No word on who the announcers will be.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 04, 2021, 02:38:52 pm
Bastian:

Penciled in to pitch behind Trevor Williams in tonight's game at Dodgers: Abbott, Biagini, Brothers, Megill, Rucker, Vasto.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 04, 2021, 02:40:01 pm
Tonight’s Cubs 9...

Happ CF
Hoerner 2B
Vargas SS
Bote 3B
Romine C
Ortega RF
Wisdom DH
Rivas 1B
Hermosillo LF
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 04, 2021, 07:04:06 pm
Bastian:

Penciled in to pitch behind Trevor Williams in tonight's game at Dodgers: Abbott, Biagini, Brothers, Megill, Rucker, Vasto.

Interesting that Biagini, Brothers, and Megill are all going again before some other arms have pitched once.  I wonder if any of the others have injury or illness issues.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 04, 2021, 08:19:56 pm
Well, looks like Iowa might be solid...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 04, 2021, 09:03:57 pm
Chris Morel is playing CF.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 04, 2021, 09:06:12 pm
They were talking about moving him there a couple of years ago, but when I heard no more, I assumed that they dropped the idea.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 04, 2021, 09:13:24 pm
Brennen Davis might have gotten caught in the bathroom.  The Dodgers broadcaster announced him as a pinch hitter for Alfonso Rivas, but Rivas hit.  cubs.com also showed Davis.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 05, 2021, 09:58:01 am
Alec Mills starts today for Cubs vs. Cleveland. Penciled in to pitch behind him: Holder, Jewell, Kimbrel, Little, Maples, Winkler. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 05, 2021, 10:21:22 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvumFYTVgAQUpKX?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 05, 2021, 02:58:36 pm
Kimbrel looks ready.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 05, 2021, 03:31:14 pm
Kimbrel looks ready.

Well the Indians hitters he was going against definitely looked ready.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 05, 2021, 03:46:54 pm
When Jonathan Holder pitches, I can't help but think that he's a relative of Jim Hendry.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 05, 2021, 04:14:38 pm
Maples with the most impressive 4 run inning I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 05, 2021, 05:43:04 pm
Maples with the most impressive 4 run inning I have ever seen.

From anybody, or just him?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 05, 2021, 07:20:42 pm
From anybody, or just him?

He didn’t walk anybody and had decent control. He gave up a broken bat infield single a ground ball fielders choice to second that didn’t get an out and an error at third before giving up a home run.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 05, 2021, 07:59:11 pm
If they...

...start Wick out on an IL...
...keep Maples...
...don't cut any of the veteran unoptionables...
...carry 14 pitchers...
...don't take any of the "kids"...

...there will be five rostered pitchers fighting for two spots.

Adam, Holder, Ryan, Stewart, Wieck.  Plus the NRIs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 06, 2021, 09:41:47 am
Shelby Miller starting today for Cubs, with Gray Fenter, Juan Gámez, Tyson Miller, Tommy Nance, James Norwood and Keegan Thompson listed behind him. - Jordan Bastian

Keegan Thompson's spring debut.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 06, 2021, 12:04:59 pm
The MLBN telecast will be on a delayed basis - 7:00 in Chicago.  They usually use the home team's announcers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvzztpdXYAYrm_S?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:21:51 pm
Miller has struck out every batter he has faced so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:22:20 pm
Miller has faced half of the batters he has faced so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 06, 2021, 02:22:51 pm
I know they're looking for some degree of certainty and trying to minimize risk, but I think I'd rather run Shelby Miller out there than Trevor Williams.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:24:59 pm
Actually, Miller looked pretty good in the first inning.  Strike out, ground out, strike out.  Pretty good control, and seemed to be pretty near the catchers glove most of the pitches.  No speed gun.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 06, 2021, 02:28:03 pm
No speed gun.

What would you guess, Dave?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 06, 2021, 02:29:44 pm
I know they're looking for some degree of certainty and trying to minimize risk, but I think I'd rather run Shelby Miller out there than Trevor Williams.

Yeah if he shows up pretty well this spring, why not? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:34:31 pm
What would you guess, Dave?

I have many failings, but probably the worst of them is judging pitching speed on TV, mostly because I can seldom differentiate fastballs from sliders.  All I can really say is that I didn't see anything to make me think he had better than average velocity.  No comments from the announcers about it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:37:54 pm
Double off Miller on first pitch, which looked to be exactly where he was aiming, low and outside corner.  Batter took it away to ground down right field line.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:38:39 pm
Slow groundout to second on what I believe a breaking pitch.  Runner to third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:39:46 pm
Curve for strike one.  Slow grounder past drawn in infield to right field. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:44:17 pm
Strike out, throw out steal attempt.  Assuming the catcher's glove was the target, Millers command looked quite good.  One pitch got away, but mostly, the catcher didn't have to move much to catch the ball.  All in all, I thought he looked pretty good.  My guess is mostly breaking balls and change ups.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:50:00 pm
Pederson struck out against the lefty, and now hit a HR against the righty.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 02:50:40 pm
Like his first, this one was to left center.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 03:15:46 pm
A brand new Miller now in the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 06, 2021, 04:00:49 pm
Small sample size obviously, but I was a little disappointed in KThompson.

Rucker looked really good.  He threw one pitch like looked to me like a cut fastball.  Craig, do you have any notes on Rucker?  Is there a cutter there?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 06, 2021, 05:23:05 pm
Not sure my recall is correct, but I thought that Rucker didn't have a cutter coming out, but had been trying to add one back in his upper-minors days.  Perhaps it was a development pitch then, and is more consistent now? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 06, 2021, 05:31:42 pm
Take a look when you have a chance.  It was one of the first pitches he threw.  Maybe even the very first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 06, 2021, 06:50:59 pm
It was an unusual experience listening to out of town broadcasters who actually did their homework on the opposing team's players, even the more obscure prospects.  They actually talked about Cubs guys, and commented on those that they thought looked pretty good, such as Gamez.

Spoiler alert.

The last 10 outs made by the Brewers were all strike outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on March 06, 2021, 06:57:12 pm
Cubs bout to come on MLB Network.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 06, 2021, 09:17:57 pm
It was an unusual experience listening to out of town broadcasters who actually did their homework on the opposing team's players, even the more obscure prospects.  They actually talked about Cubs guys, and commented on those that they thought looked pretty good, such as Gamez.

Yeah, Brian Anderson and Bill Schroeder are outstanding. Maybe the best local guys around, outside of Kuiper and Krukow in SF.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 06, 2021, 09:38:27 pm
MLB blacking out a delayed broadcast of a game is so on brand.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 07, 2021, 10:18:27 am
It’s Jake Arrieta Day for the Cubs. Penciled in to pitch behind him this afternoon: Jason Adam, Adbert Alzolay, Andrew Chafin, Manny Rodriguez, Robert Stock, Jerry Vasto, Brandon Workman. - Jordan Bastian

First appearances for Rodriguez and Stock.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 07, 2021, 10:28:49 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev48owJWEAMJF0o?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 07, 2021, 06:49:53 pm
So what's the word on Jake from State Farm today?  Anecdotal reports say 88-91 on the two-seamer?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 07, 2021, 07:05:12 pm
Per Statcast, Arrieta averaged 91.9 mph with his sinker, and he had two swinging strikes (both via his slider) among the dozen swings he enticed. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 07, 2021, 07:20:38 pm
That might be playable.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 10:02:27 am
Zach Davies starting today for Cubs, with Joe Biagini, Rex Brothers, Trevor Megill and Kohl Stewart penciled in to pitch behind him against the Rangers. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 08, 2021, 10:36:24 am
I know they're looking for some degree of certainty and trying to minimize risk, but I think I'd rather run Shelby Miller out there than Trevor Williams.

Jeff or anybody else, any info on whether Miller has any opt-out clauses from his minor-league contract?  Hendry routinely included those with former major-league pitchers, where they could opt out after 6 or 8 weeks if not in majors yet.  I assume Miller might have something like that.... or maybe not? 
-Not sure; since 2015 he's been negative-WAR every season other than a sliver in his 4-appearance 2017.  So maybe he was in zero position to leverage an opt-out clause? 
-Or perhaps he's self-confident and well appreciates how vulnerable the Cubs rotation is.  So maybe he didn't figure he needed any get-free clause, and is all about him getting right and good, and is confident that *IF* he becomes so, that opportunity will naturally follow? 

It's kind of a shame with the alternate site and no games again.  Having Miller able to sequence a half-dozen effective box-score starts with Iowa would be nice.  At least for us fans; maybe teams think they can assess success or failure just fine down there, I'm not sure.  But I'd think real games, with real adrenalin would be way nicer.  And against a real variety of hitters, rather just a small group of guys whose weaknesses a pitcher quickly comes to recognize and take advantage of. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 11:05:40 am
Jeff or anybody else, any info on whether Miller has any opt-out clauses from his minor-league contract? 

I have not.  I think he has enough service time that he could simply elect to become a free agent if he were outrighted to the minors.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 11:18:34 am
If they opt to prioritize keeping the maximum amount of pitching talent in the organization, they could set up the staff like this:

Alzolay, Adbert
Arrieta, Jake
Davies, Zach
Hendricks, Kyle
Williams, Trevor
Chafin, Andrew
Kimbrel, Craig
Maples, Dillon
Mills, Alec
Tepera, Ryan
Winkler, Dan
Workman, Brandon
Miller, Shelby
Last spot (Adam, Jason; Holder, Jonathan; Ryan, Kyle; Stewart, Kohl; Wieck, Brad)

That keeps Maples and Miller in the organization.  All of the listed candidates for the last spot have options remaining, so that could be your Iowa shuttle.

Neither Ryan nor Wieck have pitched in a game yet.  Seems like they may start off with only one lefty in the bullpen.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 08, 2021, 03:02:02 pm
...Miller, Shelby
Last spot (Adam, Jason; Holder, Jonathan; Ryan, Kyle; Stewart, Kohl; Wieck, Brad)

That keeps Maples and Miller in the organization.  All of the listed candidates for the last spot have options remaining, so that could be your Iowa shuttle....

Jeff, Miller is on a minor-league contract.  So keeping him in the organization does not necessitate keeping him on the roster.  I'd kinda put him in with the other "last spot" guys. 

I don't really know his story.  First round pick, had a good rookie year with Cardinals, OK sophomore year, good junior year with Braves.  Not sure whether in the injuries he's lost a lot of stuff or velocity, or just confidence and mechanics, I don't know. 

*IF* he is fully healthy and has the same stuff capacity that he had when he was starting 30 games a year, and *if* his psyche hasn't been shattered subsequently, then I think I'd actually much prefer him to go down to South Bend.  If he's got mechanical adjustments to optimize in order to become capable, the controlled South Bend could help him lock lock in mechanically.  But then getting a handful of AAA starts to confirm that it works, and to get locked in confidence-wise, could also help him. 

Getting irregular long-man work is probably not good for mechanical lock-in.  And then getting a bad outing or two might re-fracture any confidence recovery.  The flip might also be true, of course.  Stacking success as a reliever might be great for confidence, and relievers who get outs can pretty quickly climb from 14th-man to a regular-usage guy in the pen. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 03:37:36 pm
Craig, you're absolutely right.  I got my terms mixed up.  If Miller doesn't make it, he won't be "outrighted".  He'll simply be re-assigned to minor league camp.  As you alluded to, his only "out" is a negotiated opt-out clause (or a release, courtesy or otherwise).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 03:48:44 pm
According to mlb.com Gameday, Marisnick is in the game.  His first appearance of the spring.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 08, 2021, 04:47:01 pm
https://youtu.be/dirB1by1Onc
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 08, 2021, 04:50:38 pm
Nico Hoerner was 2-3 and lowered his spring average to .692
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 08, 2021, 05:13:12 pm
He definitely has more to learn at AAA...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 08, 2021, 05:29:43 pm
He definitely has more to learn at AAA...

I'm sure his baserunning could use a lot of improvement.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 08, 2021, 05:30:12 pm
Joc and Nico need to save some for the regular season, by the way.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 08, 2021, 05:50:01 pm
Strumpf drilled a pretty long HR in the 7th. 

I'm no scout, but just looking I can see kinda why he looks good as a hitting prospect. 
-Looks to have a really well-balance stance and weight-shift. 
-seems selective, took a pitch or two that didn't miss by much. 
-Pretty short direct swing. 

So just kind of had the look of a balanced, efficient swing that many professional hitters have. 

Whether he can actually hit velocity or hit pitches with movement, we'll see.  The HR was on a hanging breaking ball, a pretty bad pitch.  On an earlier pitch, I thought there seemed to be a fastball not in a good pitcher's spot, that seemed pretty hittable, and Chase just fouled that one off.

But yeah, looked balanced.  I'll be really curious to see how well he hits in full-season ball.  He didn't seem very built.  Looked to perhaps have solid legs, but upper body and arms didn't seem real muscled up.  Hoerner seems bigger and stronger this spring.  I'm wondering whether Strumpf will have a summer to try to hit for hitting.  But them might show up next year built up more and with some added strength. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 08, 2021, 06:06:40 pm
He definitely has more to learn at AAA...
How's his baserunning?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 08, 2021, 06:28:21 pm
Spring stats mean squat.  If the AAA season were starting on time it'd still be a slam-dunk to send Hoerner there and see how it does.  Since it's not, maybe you keep him and hope this isn't a mirage.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 08, 2021, 06:38:51 pm
I couldn’t care less about his spring stats. He has nothing to learn at AAA. He’s ready.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 08, 2021, 07:54:30 pm
Long-time Cubs radio voice Pat Hughes will make his Marquee Sports Network debut this week, doing play-by-play for the Friday (vs. Brewers) and Sunday (vs. Angels) broadcasts. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 08, 2021, 08:57:57 pm
I couldn’t care less about his spring stats. He has nothing to learn at AAA. He’s ready.

Based on what, if not his spring stats?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 08, 2021, 09:22:46 pm
Has been noted on the broadcasts that Hoerner looks completely different physically than a year ago.

Way stronger—-and it shows on his swings and how he is impacting the baseball.

The results so far are nice but it’s much more than that. He really looks like he’s going to have extra-base pop NOW and what else was there that he needed work on?  His 2B defense was already outstanding. He already has good contact skills. Appears to be very mature on the field with good demeanor.

Think the spring battle is between Vargas and Sogard for an IF utility spot behind Hoerner.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 08, 2021, 10:25:48 pm
The eye test?  OK, at least it's an answer.

Listen, the Cubs are going nowhere this season and Hoerner is one of the few guys likely to make the opening day roster who isn't on the trading block, so maybe it makes sense to just run him out there and hope for the best.  But he's still a guy who never dominated in the minors and has abjectly stunk in the majors, and inflated Cactus numbers and how nicely he fills out a uniform now won't change that.  Keep him with the big club and it's a gamble.  Arguably justified, but a gamble.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 08, 2021, 10:26:36 pm
All that, plus his baseball IQ is ++...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 08, 2021, 10:55:24 pm
...... what else was there that he needed work on?  ...

Possibly his hitting?  For example, perhaps he needs work on using the whole field?  Perhaps he needs work on driving the ball and getting more extension?  Perhaps on hitting the ball earlier and further out?  (I recall that supposedly being the adjustment that Justin Turner supposedly made that turned his career around.).  Perhaps his weight-shift? 

I'm not saying that I know.  But I think there was perhaps more to his hitting issues last year than just the lack of physical strength?  Or that with the added strength all issues are gone.

I'm sure hoping he's the guy and that he's going to be good.  I agree, in the couple of AB's I've seen, he does look much stronger physically.  And I think perhaps some other hitting adjustments have already been made. 

Often a pull hitter or a power hitter is instructed to learn to hit to the opposite field.  If he drives the ball and pulls the ball for power a lot, but doesn't use the opposite field a lot, that's criticized.  (With reason).  But I think when a guy constantly goes opposite field, and does NOT use the pull field, he is not equivalently criticized.  My subjective observation of Hoerner last year was that he was so radically opposite field, it was counterproductive.  Inside pitches, he'd still fist it opposite-way.  His stance alignment and his weight shift were overly committed to opposite way, and didn't have the flexibility to respond to actual pitches and pull those that should be pulled.

So, I'm thinking his ability to use left field, to pull inside pitches, and to get his bat out and to drive inside pitches or offspeed stuff would help him.

To some degree I think that may already perhaps be the case?  In his AB's today, in one of them he pulled a ball fairly sharply foul past 3B.  One of his hits he was able to at least get it to CF, maybe even a few degrees left of dead center.  But yeah, I think getting his hands out and hitting some balls to left is something he'll need to do in order to be good.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 08, 2021, 11:02:10 pm
I think *IF* the Cubs want to go for it this year and try to be good, they probably need to gamble on Hoerner being the answer.  I don't feel like Bote and Vargas/Sogard are going to help the lineup all that much.  Sogard can't hit.  I'd love to see Bote step up and be increasingly productive, so he might end up being pretty good at 2B.  But *IF* Hoerner can hit and be the primary 2b, with Bote as a bench guy, that gives the lineup a much better chance. And could also perhaps free Bryant to play more LF versus tough lefties, and let Joc semi-platoon. 

Hoerner might not be good, but he might.  The Cubs need some might-be-good guys to work out and to be good, in order to have a happy season. 

And if Hoerner could hit, having his defense at 2B every day would really reinforce the team defense. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 08, 2021, 11:13:34 pm
The problem with the question of "is he ready" is defining the term ready.  Has he been around long enough for the good pitchers and scouts to find and exploit his weaknesses?  Has he been able to adjust to those exploitations?  Is he physically strong enough to withstand the rigors of a full season.

The situation we are currently in should have taught us that six years of MLB control go swiftly.  If we bring a player up that is going to struggle in the majors, even if he learns as he goes as well or better than he could have in the minors, we might have wasted two or more if his controlled years.  Much better to do his learning, as well as his physical maturation in the minors.  We had lost years with Happ.  Lost years with Javy.  And lost years with Schwarber, all of which has come back to bite us now.  It was perhaps understandable in 2016, when we were going for it all in a year we had a reasonable chance to make it.  But I highly doubt that Hoerner's presence, no matter how well he does, is likely to bring us to the World series.

I agree with Deeg that spring training stats mean very little, especially this early, when more than half of the pitchers faced will probably be in the minors or out of baseball in three weeks.  At the same time, it seems silly to say that thus far, Hoerner has stunk.  A .247 major league BA for the first 186 at bats is hardly stellar, but is probably as good or better than most rookies his age, and came with excellent defense.  Hoerner contributed in his first year or so, but I doubt that his contribution will be very much above average this year, and will end with another wasted year of control.

He may be ready to play at a reasonable level this year, but I doubt highly that he will be able to excel, as he might do with another year's experience and maturation.  I hope they do not start him with the big league team this April.

All this comes with the caveat that those who make the decision will have so much more information at their disposal to make that decision than we have that is doesn't make a lot of sense for any of us to second guess that decision.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 08, 2021, 11:14:49 pm
High contact guys don't gain much in the minors.

Hoerner needs to elevate the ball off the ground to be a good hitter.  His launch angle last year was 0.8%, he seems to be elevating the ball more.

He hits the ball up the middle too much and would benefit from pulling it more.  Career in the majors he 33.8% pull (36.6 MLB average), Straight 43.5% (37.9%), Oppo 22.7% (25.5).  In 2019 his pull % was 29.1, straight 46.5%, 24.4%.  The bigger issue is 55.2% GB% which was 57% in 2019.  He elevates the ball and he'll be above average on offense.  Hoerner stayed in Chicago over the winter to work with coaching staff on this.  That is bigger than his strength gains.

His biggest help is going to be on defense though.  He was 95th percentile in Outs Above Average last year.  With a staff dedicated to contact his defense is going to be more important than his offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 09, 2021, 12:10:28 am
I see very little downside keeping Hoerner up to open the season.

With Hoerner at SB camp for a month and then Iowa—his ABs would go to marginal regulars Bote/Sogard or Vargas. And less defense with those guys. Don’t see much upside there. It’s not like the job goes to an established impact guy.

If Hoerner stays and struggles and has to go to Iowa, fine. Even then, the struggles are very unlikely to hurt him long-term.

Hoerner will be age 24 six weeks into the season. He’s not a kid.

His future is tied to increasing his slug in a major way. He is 0.86 iso career and that translates to a utility guy if he stayed at or near that level. Think that’s in the view mirror and we’re going to see a very big increase with him in 2021. Just give him the ABs and let’s see what happens.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 09, 2021, 04:13:02 am
I see very little downside keeping Hoerner up to open the season.

With Hoerner at SB camp for a month and then Iowa—his ABs would go to marginal regulars Bote/Sogard or Vargas. And less defense with those guys. Don’t see much upside there. .....

Thanks, reb.  You express the Nowacrat perspective very well.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 09, 2021, 04:16:01 am
For a rookie who hadn't previously been called up, how long does a guy normally need to stay down to NOT click in his first season towards arbitration?  50 games or so, I'm thinking?  So with hoerner having used up 20 games or so of service two years ago, he'd probably need to stay down for maybe 70 to avoid this season burning his 2nd pre-arb year? 

So basically this year and next are his only remaining pre-arb seasons, unless you keep him down for like 70 games?   

Dave's reasoning touches on the frustration of burning a player's club-controlled cheap years on development years.  By burning two of Hoerner's club-controlled years last year and this, you may regret it in 4 years  when he's then in his prime and perhaps is really good, but is already expiring.  (And perhaps if the next mlb shortens the years to FA, maybe he'll already be expiring in only three years?).



Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 09, 2021, 06:57:10 am
Hoerner usually isn’t the type that is super expensive even in free agency. Wong would be a good example of his type of player. You might even be able to get him to sign an extension to keep his AAV down.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 09, 2021, 08:25:02 am
If you can sign him now to a Bote type contract, fine.  Keep him up..

If you are on the cusp of having a dominant season, fine.  Keep him up.

But if you feel that there is little chance of being a Dodgers or Padres type season, leave him in the minors for development.  Contact hitters have holes in their swings just as much as sluggers.  Let the AAA pitchers find his weaknesses, and let him learn to adjust to that at a time when winning the particular game is not the paramount goal.  Can he hit a well commanded high fastball, followed by a well commanded low outside slider?  We should find out in the minors, not the majors. 

Granted, he is a contact hitter rather than a slugger.  But that didn't stop hitting him about .200 last year, and 15 spring training at bats against mostly minor league pitchers really don't show us that much.  Let's not make the same mistake that we made with Happ, Schwarber and probably Baez.  Development should come in the minors, where is learning is stressed, not the majors, where winning is stressed.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 09, 2021, 09:10:46 am
According to Arizona Phil, Trevor Megill was 97-99 with the fastball in yesterday's game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 09, 2021, 10:11:09 am
Trevor Williams starting for Cubs today vs. A’s. Closer Craig Kimbrel scheduled to get work in behind him, along with Holder, Jewell, Maples and Rucker. - Jordan Bastian

Maples day!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 09, 2021, 10:28:25 am
Sogard and Duffy are making their spring debuts today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 09, 2021, 10:31:24 am
Sogard and Duffy are making their spring debuts today.

One thing I realized the other day when looking back at the 2012 draft for the Cubs, both David Bote and Matt Duffy were 18th round picks that year. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 09, 2021, 01:02:32 pm
Thanks, reb.  You express the Nowacrat perspective very well.

I don’t see it as necessarily a Nowacrat argument. I see getting major league ABs now as HELPING his future. His development is likely to be enhanced dealing with major league pitchers compared to lesser pitchers.

If Hoerner had a fragile confidence level (which doesn't appear he does), then he would be a better candidate for Iowa now.

True, i think he’s the best 2B Cubs candidate now, a Nowacrat notion, but the default position with him should be majors unless shown otherwise if he struggles, for development purposes.

Optioning him primarily based on service time factors—a guy with 1+ years of service time—would be one of the worst abuses of the current cba. A really bad idea.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on March 09, 2021, 01:28:58 pm
In any event, isn't service time expected to be a major issue in negotiations for the new CBA? If so, wouldn't that suggest it could be unwise to make important decisions based on the current CBA?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 09, 2021, 03:40:59 pm
The CBA establishes the rules, and both sides should adhere to it.  The agreement was that the player can only be held in the minors for a certain period of time, and after a certain number of MLB years, becomes a free agent.  They even agreed on the specific number of games that comprises a "year", for free agent purpose.  Any team that does not maximize the value they get out of those specified six years is doing themselves and for that matter the fans, a disservice. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2021, 04:31:58 pm
ORTEGA!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 09, 2021, 04:34:18 pm
Awesome!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on March 09, 2021, 05:05:53 pm
How cool!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 10, 2021, 12:46:41 am
The CBA establishes the rules, and both sides should adhere to it.  The agreement was that the player can only be held in the minors for a certain period of time, and after a certain number of MLB years, becomes a free agent.  They even agreed on the specific number of games that comprises a "year", for free agent purpose.  Any team that does not maximize the value they get out of those specified six years is doing themselves and for that matter the fans, a disservice.

What you’re really saying is that if a party can get away with undermining what they agreed to, they are doing a disservice when they fail to undermine.

You may notice that baseball management NEVER say what you just said they should do: Player X was sent to minors because the club wants to “maximize the value” of the six years. The one guy who actually said it recently (Mariners CEO) got fired for saying it.

Every contract in every transaction in every industry contains what lawyers call an implied covenant of fair dealing, meaning you can’t purposely undermine what you agreed to. If you agree to six years, you can’t undermine six years by making decisions so as to avoid six years. When a guy is sent out for non-baseball reasons so as to avoid reaching six years had the decision been based on baseball factors, it undermines the basic agreement that the parties reached.

The problem for the union is a failure of proof. No arbitrator is going to substitute his own judgment for a roster decision made by a baseball professional, so you actually need the club saying what you just said they should say—a smoking gun showing intent—which they try very hard to avoid saying.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on March 10, 2021, 01:08:05 am
Video of the Ortega slam:

https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1369424452245667845
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 10, 2021, 09:47:32 am
Alec Mills on the bump for Cubs today. Listed as available to work behind him: Chafin, Fenter, Gámez, Little, Nance, Rodríguez, Stock, Winkler, Workman. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 10, 2021, 11:29:33 am

Video of the Ortega slam:
https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1369424452245667845

Ortega's big-league record is bad, but his minor-league career is .292-.361-.424-.785.  Not too bad.

A guy can change over some time, and perhaps add some strength, so maybe in some ways he's better now than some of his numbers reflect.  The flip is that coming up with a west team, his minor league numbers include stops in the Cal (A+), Texas (AA) and PC (AAA) leagues, all leagues that are rather hitter friendl.  Perhaps .292-.361 in those leagues is more like .250-.320 in the Cubs leagues, beats me. 

Guess I'm thinking that he looks like he might potentially be anti-awful if an injury necessitated him getting some action? 

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 10, 2021, 04:08:21 pm
What you’re really saying is that if a party can get away with undermining what they agreed to, they are doing a disservice when they fail to undermine.

You may notice that baseball management NEVER say what you just said they should do: Player X was sent to minors because the club wants to “maximize the value” of the six years. The one guy who actually said it recently (Mariners CEO) got fired for saying it.

Every contract in every transaction in every industry contains what lawyers call an implied covenant of fair dealing, meaning you can’t purposely undermine what you agreed to. If you agree to six years, you can’t undermine six years by making decisions so as to avoid six years. When a guy is sent out for non-baseball reasons so as to avoid reaching six years had the decision been based on baseball factors, it undermines the basic agreement that the parties reached.

The problem for the union is a failure of proof. No arbitrator is going to substitute his own judgment for a roster decision made by a baseball professional, so you actually need the club saying what you just said they should say—a smoking gun showing intent—which they try very hard to avoid saying.

Exactly.  There is no proof.  At no time did I say that they should announce their intentions or reasons.  But I certainly expect both sides to act in their own interests when working within the structure of the contract.  As I understand (I have not personally seen or read the CBA, but have read reports about it) the contract spells out exactly how many years it takes for a player to become a free agent, and spells out exactly how many days on the 40 man roster comprise a "year", in sufficient detail that it was known by both sides at what point they start counting years.

I have not seen any report that indicates that the contract specifies that a player MUST be called up to the majors when he is ready, nor any report that the CBA defines "readiness" in sufficient detail that an impartial arbiter can determine a player's state of "readiness".  If this is important to the players (and I do not deny that it is) then they should ensure that such specific language is contained in the next CBA. 

Without such specific language, it should be the burden of the aggrieved party to prove that a decision was made in "bad faith".  In the case of Bryant, it appears that the aggrieved party was not able to prove it.

In contract law, an ambiguity is a contract is usually resolved in the favor of the party that had the least power in the negotiation (such as the boiler plate provisions written by one party in which the other party must either accept or not enter into a contract (few bank loan provisions are seldom negotiable by the non-bank party).  But in this case, it would be hard to convince anyone that the players union did not have bargaining power equal to that of the owners.  In order to eliminate ambiguity of time requirements for free agency, the two sides agreed to the above mentioned length of time spelled out in the CBA to the exact number of roster days required, and the team complied with the requirements.  If there is a "spirit of the contract" ambiguity when it comes to a players state of "readiness", they should hammer that out in the next contract negotiation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 10, 2021, 04:27:31 pm
Dave is, of course, correct that it's a good thing for the club (and the fans) to have the extra year of control over a player via service time manipulation, as in Cubs are better off having control over Bryant in 2021.  It's just that the service manipulation is really bad for the relationship between owners and players and unethical.

Dave, of course, doesn't actually contend that Bryant was sent to AAA for anything other than service time manipulation--to avoid having 2015 count as a full year of service time.  No serious person would argue that the reason he was sent to Iowa was for any other reason.

Funny thing is that just about everybody knows that the Bryant to AAA had nothing to do with player development while, at the same time, most everybody knew he would lose the service time manipulation grievance.  MLBPA pretty much knew it would lose, as it made no effort to remove the permanent arbitrator after the decision.  Indeed, for the reasons I noted in the earlier post, the arbitrator really had no choice given the absence of direct proof of intent.  Absent that, it would be silly and presumptuous for a non-baseball evaluator like the permanent arbitrator to overrule a Theo Epstein roster decision. 

So, we have the perverse incentive for baseball decision-makers to undermine the cba to keep up with some of their colleagues who do the same thing.  Theo did this for his entire career in Boston too as to opening day roster decisions, which the arbitrator found actually supported the Cubs decision with Bryant.  Very unfortunate when a stand-up guy like Theo is incentivized to misrepresent his decision-making process. "Oh, no, it was a baseball decision not based on service time."  Give me a break.  Maybe Theo will come clean when he writes his memoirs a few decades from now.

Presumably, this will be addressed in some fashion in the next cba.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 10, 2021, 04:32:27 pm
Manuel Rodriguez makes his spring debut.

Starts out with a 96 mph fastball.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 10, 2021, 04:36:25 pm
Rodriguez as fast as 98, according to the Giants broadcasters.

Slider at 88.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 10, 2021, 04:56:46 pm
Stock up to 99.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 10, 2021, 04:59:56 pm
Now Stock at 101.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on March 10, 2021, 05:01:49 pm
Rising.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 10, 2021, 05:10:21 pm
Rodriguez as fast as 98, according to the Giants broadcasters.
Now Stock at 101.

I take it strike throwing must not be the greatest skill these guys possess?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 10, 2021, 05:39:35 pm
Now Stock at 101.

Fake news gun?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 10, 2021, 05:42:16 pm
Ortega's big-league record is bad, but his minor-league career is .292-.361-.424-.785.  Not too bad.

A guy can change over some time, and perhaps add some strength, so maybe in some ways he's better now than some of his numbers reflect.  The flip is that coming up with a west team, his minor league numbers include stops in the Cal (A+), Texas (AA) and PC (AAA) leagues, all leagues that are rather hitter friendl.  Perhaps .292-.361 in those leagues is more like .250-.320 in the Cubs leagues, beats me. 

Guess I'm thinking that he looks like he might potentially be anti-awful if an injury necessitated him getting some action?


No, he almost certainly would be anti-anti-awful. But it's nice he had his 15 minutes of glory, even if it was in Arizona.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 10, 2021, 05:43:16 pm
...service manipulation is really bad for the relationship between owners and players and unethical. ...

Reb, that's interesting, I admit I've never perceived it from the ethics standpoint. 
1.  I've always assumed that both sides of the contract understood that parties will work within the constraints of the mutually-agreed-upon contract, and that neither would consider the other party unethical to do so.
2.  I would have figured that actions within the contract would be considered to be acceptable and not unethical? 
3.  The practice has been in play for decades, without the union negotiating that practice away.  Perhaps earlier decades of union leadership didn't previously consider it unethical either?  Or at least not a significant enough issue to prioritize negotiating in provisions to prevent it? 
4.  I imagine the union might think that team usage of the practice is partly constrained by teams' motivation to win. 

*IF* it's really unethical, then it should absolutely NOT be exercised by Cubs. 

I wouldn't think it would be all that hard to perhaps modify the CBA.  Reduce the service time requirement from 6 full years to 5.51 or 5.7 or some number of other.  Obviously owners would prefer status quo with that, but negotiate.  Obviously teams will always see the number and try to get past whatever cutoff it is.  But two weeks in April, is a small sliver of a 162-game season.  If that's 40 or 60 or 80 games, that would be harder for teams who care about winning to keep a player they perceived as superior down. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 10, 2021, 06:16:46 pm
Craig, this isn't part of the CBA because the players are fine with the owners gaming the service time system to screw them.  It's because union leadership has been largely incompetent and let the owners roger them roundly in the last CBA negotiation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 10, 2021, 06:18:18 pm
The Cubs used 25 players today, 7 of them pitchers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 10, 2021, 07:56:32 pm
Dave is, of course, correct that it's a good thing for the club (and the fans) to have the extra year of control over a player via service time manipulation, as in Cubs are better off having control over Bryant in 2021.  It's just that the service manipulation is really bad for the relationship between owners and players and unethical.

Dave, of course, doesn't actually contend that Bryant was sent to AAA for anything other than service time manipulation--to avoid having 2015 count as a full year of service time.  No serious person would argue that the reason he was sent to Iowa was for any other reason.

Funny thing is that just about everybody knows that the Bryant to AAA had nothing to do with player development while, at the same time, most everybody knew he would lose the service time manipulation grievance.  MLBPA pretty much knew it would lose, as it made no effort to remove the permanent arbitrator after the decision.  Indeed, for the reasons I noted in the earlier post, the arbitrator really had no choice given the absence of direct proof of intent.  Absent that, it would be silly and presumptuous for a non-baseball evaluator like the permanent arbitrator to overrule a Theo Epstein roster decision. 

So, we have the perverse incentive for baseball decision-makers to undermine the cba to keep up with some of their colleagues who do the same thing.  Theo did this for his entire career in Boston too as to opening day roster decisions, which the arbitrator found actually supported the Cubs decision with Bryant.  Very unfortunate when a stand-up guy like Theo is incentivized to misrepresent his decision-making process. "Oh, no, it was a baseball decision not based on service time."  Give me a break.  Maybe Theo will come clean when he writes his memoirs a few decades from now.

Presumably, this will be addressed in some fashion in the next cba.   

I agree with just about everything you say, other than the second to last paragraph.  You seem to be assuming that the purpose of the CBA was to get the player into the majors as soon as he is ready.  But the CBA, as far as I know, does not contain anything of that sort in it, and as far as I know, it was negotiated at arms length between two parties fairly equal in negotiating power.  And you further seem to assume that keeping the player in the minors until such time as you can maximize his value to the club.  I am not sure that this is a reasonable assumption.  If this was the primary goal of the players union, they should have negotiated this into the final agreement.  I see no reason why something that has NOT been negotiated by the parties should be included by inference.  Nor does it seem that the arbitrator thought so either.  If it was so obvious that the team did something that violates the agreement, he would have found differently.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 10, 2021, 08:00:50 pm
As to Craig’s point, service time manipulation is not “within the contract.” If it was, the teams would just say player x is being sent down so we can control the player through 2024 or whenever.

They don’t admit to that because it would breach the contract. Otherwise, they would have no problem saying what Dave said in his posts. But, they come up with unconvincing “baseball-related” reasons. Not a coincidence"

Teams didn’t do this much until about 10 years ago. My hunch is that has to do with all the super-competitive Ivy Leagues types running clubs who simply realize that a cost-benefit analysis tells us that a full year of control is worth one month in AAA.  Even the old school anti-union types of years ago didn’t stoop to this. They thought baseball more than cost/benefit.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 10, 2021, 08:23:20 pm
I agree with just about everything you say, other than the second to last paragraph.  You seem to be assuming that the purpose of the CBA was to get the player into the majors as soon as he is ready.  But the CBA, as far as I know, does not contain anything of that sort in it, and as far as I know, it was negotiated at arms length between two parties fairly equal in negotiating power.  And you further seem to assume that keeping the player in the minors until such time as you can maximize his value to the club.  I am not sure that this is a reasonable assumption.  If this was the primary goal of the players union, they should have negotiated this into the final agreement.  I see no reason why something that has NOT been negotiated by the parties should be included by inference.  Nor does it seem that the arbitrator thought so either.  If it was so obvious that the team did something that violates the agreement, he would have found differently.

Dave- this is the issue:  but for service time considerations, would the player make the ballclub opening day?

There are a variety of baseball-related reasons why player x makes or does not make the ballclub. Could be a development matter or whatever. Take your pick. But, if the motivation in 2015 is so the ballclub still has control over Bryant in 2021, that a cba-motivated, non-baseball reason. The reason he doesn’t make the 2015 club is because the cba says we lose him in 2021 if he makes the 2015 club.

As I noted before, EVERY contract has an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. Google it. It applies here.

As I’ve noted, if service time reasons are legit under the cba, why don’t the clubs just say that’s what they’re doing???

There a lot of things that we know as humans but can’t prove in litigation. We know that Bryant would have made opening day 2015 but for service time considerations. But, if I was the arbitrator in the Bryant case, I could not just say everybody knows that. There has to be evidence of intent. That’s the rule of law and sometimes you just have to swallow a bad result.


Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 10, 2021, 09:36:16 pm
Great discussion, guys.  I really appreciate the thoughts and insights. 

As to Craig’s point, service time manipulation is not “within the contract.” If it was, the teams would just say player x is being sent down so we can control the player through 2024 or whenever.  They don’t admit to that because it would breach the contract. Otherwise, they would have no problem saying what Dave said in his posts. But, they come up with unconvincing “baseball-related” reasons. Not a coincidence"

That's an interesting argument.  Again, I'd never thought of it like that, so thanks.  I had just assumed everybody knew this was a thing, it was obvious for obvious reasons, and for most of the dozen cba's since FA that union leaderships had accepted it and not considered it worth negotiating away.   Normally when guys get sent down, the team doesn't rationalize why, unless asked in a press conference.  I guess until your explanation, I'd perhaps naively assumed everybody who really cared or thought about things understood this was a thing, and that the occasional verbiage in a press conference was maybe more for unsophisticated fans who didn't realize it was a thing, rather than to deceive the union who obviously understood it was a thing.  But yeah, the idea that it wasn't to actually confuse or deceive anybody, unsophisticated fans or union, but was just to avoid cba violation and legal culpability is an insightful take on it. 

Teams didn’t do this much until about 10 years ago. My hunch is that has to do with all the super-competitive Ivy Leagues types running clubs who simply realize that a cost-benefit analysis tells us that a full year of control is worth one month in AAA.  Even the old school anti-union types of years ago didn’t stoop to this. They thought baseball more than cost/benefit.

That's an interesting observation, reb.  I wonder how true it actually is, though?  Hasn't this been a thing forever? It's maybe just been more talked about now than in past?
-A lifetime ago I lived in Pittsburgh when Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonilla, Andy Van Slyke, Doug Drabek, John Smiley, and Jay Bell were young.  I was young and even more unsophisticated then, so when I heard some friends who were smart sophisticated big Pirates talking about this, I'd never thought of it before.  I assume if they talked about it, management probably had too?  30 years ago.

Last millenium Kerry Wood had a spectacular camp, but went down.  Geramis Gonzalez, Terry Mulholland, Ben Van Ryn, and Amaury Telemaco made the staff, two of them in the rotation.  Wood had a single start for Iowa, then debuted April 12.  Wasn't that all the same thing? 

I guess I'm kinda wondering whether this hasn't been around for ≥30 years, and teams and union both haven't been both fully aware? 

I'm sure the union leadership never liked it, but were they unaware?  Yet for a dozen cbas, the union leadership never negotiated it away.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 10, 2021, 11:59:05 pm
When Kerry Wood didn’t make the opening day club in 1998, I remember a manager of another club—who saw him in spring training— say: well, I think the Cubs probably will win the pennant because if they a full rotation better than than this Kerry Wood guy, there’s no stopping them. Of course, the manager was being sarcastic...but I don’t recall the union making a stink about it. Maybe it was because Wood was 20 years old and there was way less public attention given to top prospects back then compared to now. It just wasn’t a practice yet to manipulate service time in an obvious way. And, as I said earlier, we have a different type of GM and top staff running things these days. More bottom line, I think. If there’s an opening, they take it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 11, 2021, 12:12:35 am
Yeah, your Wood recall is just like mine.  I assumed then that everybody understood it was a service-time thing.  But you're right, nobody made a fuss about it; it wasn't an issue that the union and the media talked about as is so true today.  We fully agree that the practice wasn't discussed and faulted then the way it is today.  I guess I'm less certain that it wasn't actually practiced about as much, or almost so, but it just didn't get the publicity or complaint? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 11, 2021, 12:49:43 am
Think more noteworthy these days in part because of the obsession with prospects generally. We know a lot more now. In 1998 with guys like Kerry Wood, mostly Baseball America.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 11, 2021, 02:46:29 am
Wood was also a wildman then (even more so than he was later) - 131 BB in 151 IP in 1997 - and a reasonable case could be made that he could use some AAA time to hone his command.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 11, 2021, 06:02:43 am
I don’t think it was the same.

Barry Bonds played 71 games at A ball and 44 games at AAA before he was called up.

With Wood I remember being surprised that he was called up after 1 start at AAA in 1998, because I was hoping to see him pitch at Iowa.

Both guys debuted when they were 21. Bryant debuted at 23. I think the difference is guys where debuting at younger ages and there was still development left at the major league level. Guys are left in the minors until they are pretty much a complete product so the service time being pushed back is a bigger deal.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 09:58:12 am
Kyle Hendricks starting today for the Cubs, with Jason Adam, Rex Brothers, Brendon Little, Trevor Megill, Shelby Miller and James Norwood available behind him. - Jordan Bastian

Other than Hendricks, this is going to be a high velocity day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 11, 2021, 11:00:15 am
Is it on Marquee?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 11:08:19 am
No, it's the Rockies' TV feed through MLB TV.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 11, 2021, 11:40:15 am
BOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 02:20:25 pm
I think today's lineup gives us a hint about what Ross' everyday lineup is going to look like.

Today:

Happ, CF
Contreras, C
Rizzo, 1B
Bryant, 3B
Pederson, LF
Baez, SS
Maybin, RF
Bote, DH
Hoerner, 2B

Everyday:

Happ, CF
Contreras, C
Rizzo, 1B
Bryant, 3B
Pederson, LF
Baez, SS
Heyward, RF
Whoever, 2B
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2021, 02:24:09 pm
Bryant doubles in 2, then he's TOOTBLAN for the 2nd out, and Joc HR's on the next pitch.

3-0 going to bottom 1...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 11, 2021, 02:32:42 pm
Bryant needed more minor league baserunning experience.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2021, 03:04:47 pm
Joc goes yard again

5-3 going to bottom 3

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 03:45:44 pm
Trevor Megill very impressive.

Shelby Miller 94-95 with the fastball.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 11, 2021, 03:56:15 pm
Shelby Miller 94-95 with the fastball.

Put him in the rotation if he stays effective this spring.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 11, 2021, 04:15:35 pm
Nico Hoerner - 0-3
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2021, 04:18:57 pm
Miller looked good...94-95, and tight spin on his breaking ball. Megill looked great again.

Hoerner 0-3, but hard contact all 3 times...he's not missing his pitches...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 04:35:56 pm
If they take a second lefty in the bullpen, it's got to be Brothers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 11, 2021, 04:42:52 pm
They don’t admit to that because it would breach the contract. Otherwise, they would have no problem saying what Dave said in his posts. But, they come up with unconvincing “baseball-related” reasons. Not a coincidence"


I suspect public relations has more to do with announcements like that.  And even if the team feels they will win it, there is no point in inviting a grievance.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 11, 2021, 04:46:22 pm
Dave- this is the issue:  but for service time considerations, would the player make the ballclub opening day?

No.  The issue is, or at least should be, has the player fulfilled the requirements of a certain number of days on the 40 man roster, or does he hot.  Mind reading has no place in contract performance, regardless of the business.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 11, 2021, 04:51:14 pm
Megill looks like a totally different pitcher this spring.  If he had no options left (I assume he does) he would be a lock to make the team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 05:04:03 pm
Norwood 98-100 with the fastball.  Slider at 91.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on March 11, 2021, 05:12:00 pm
The rise of super agents like Boras is what made service time part of the conversation...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 05:18:21 pm
Little 95-96 with the fastball.  Tight breaking ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 11, 2021, 06:53:31 pm
No.  The issue is, or at least should be, has the player fulfilled the requirements of a certain number of days on the 40 man roster, or does he hot.  Mind reading has no place in contract performance, regardless of the business.

Dave-The Bryant grievance was all about intent/motive. Basic contract law starts with a covenant of good faith. This goes back to centuries old English common law. Here is the basic statement taught in law school (usually in the first week of a class on Contracts):

“In every contract or agreement there is an implied promise of good faith and fair dealing. This implied promise means that each party will not do anything to unfairly interfere with the right of any other party to receive the benefits of the contract. Good faith means honesty of purpose without any intention to mislead or to take unfair advantage of another. Generally speaking, it means being faithful to one’s duty or obligation.”

Obviously, the concept of “good faith” or “intention” (to mislead or not) has what you call a “mind reading” element. Why someone did or is doing some act or course of conduct is central to many, many components of the law. It is a cornerstone of much of our jurisprudence in virtually every field.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 11, 2021, 07:19:36 pm
Norwood 98-100 with the fastball.  Slider at 91.

I'm not sure I'm seeing much correlation between hitting up around 100 and being very good! Norwood, Maples, Stock...  Maybe an inverse relationship? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 11, 2021, 07:36:15 pm
Yeah, Norwood labored the entire inning (which he couldn’t finish).

Shelby Miller was clocked 93-95 but I only saw one good off-speed pitch. Will have to be better than this to make the club.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 11, 2021, 08:22:21 pm
I wonder if Tepera is going to be ready to break camp with the big club.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 11, 2021, 09:10:54 pm
Will really hurt his MVP chances if he can't.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 12, 2021, 08:25:02 am
I'm not sure I'm seeing much correlation between hitting up around 100 and being very good! Norwood, Maples, Stock...  Maybe an inverse relationship? 

Rodriguez also.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 12, 2021, 10:16:31 am
Listed as available to pitch behind Arrieta: Biagini, Gámez, Jewell, Kimbrel, Thompson. - Jordan Bastian

Biagini.  Blah.  Gámez.  Blah.  Jewell.  Blah.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 12, 2021, 12:14:12 pm
Of the three, I am most interested in Gamez.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 12, 2021, 07:25:18 pm
I would have loved to have Pat Hughes as the replacement for Kasper.  He has always been by favorite broadcaster.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 13, 2021, 09:51:10 am
Listed as available to pitch after Alzolay in Surprise: Maples, Nance, Rucker, Stewart, Stock, Vasto. - Jordan Bastian

Alzolay and Maples are the only ones still left in big league camp.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 13, 2021, 02:00:13 pm
Since there is no minor league camp, are those reassigned going home, or are they hanging around to be used?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 13, 2021, 02:14:31 pm
I believe they are staying.  Some of the available pitchers for today's game are those that were reassigned yesterday.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 13, 2021, 08:07:06 pm
Maples has gotten hit some this spring, but, in 4-1/3 innings pitched, he has six strikeouts and no walks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 14, 2021, 10:01:30 am
Spring Training games that began at 1:05 MST and 2:05 CST, now begin at 3:05 CDT.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 15, 2021, 02:57:46 pm
Available to follow Mills today:

Brendon Little, Tommy Nance, Justin Steele, Ryan Tepera, Jerry Vasto, and Brad Wieck.

I really hope Steele pitches.  Never seen him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 15, 2021, 04:23:22 pm
Available to follow Mills today:

Brendon Little, Tommy Nance, Justin Steele, Ryan Tepera, Jerry Vasto, and Brad Wieck.

I really hope Steele pitches.  Never seen him.

Shelby Miller in.  Bad info.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 15, 2021, 04:49:46 pm
Brad Wieck in.  Spring debut.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 15, 2021, 05:10:50 pm
Ryan Tepera in.  Spring debut.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 15, 2021, 05:33:15 pm
Justin Steele in.  Spring debut.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 15, 2021, 09:21:40 pm
Wieck looked pretty good for his one inning of work.  And Miller looked almost dominant in his two innings.  Marisnick looked quite comfortable at the plate.  They seem to believe he is a lock for the opening day roster.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 17, 2021, 08:42:46 am
The San Diego Padres visit Sloan Park tonight.  The game will be on the MLB Network at 8:05 P.M. CDT.  They often use the home team announcers so this may be the first chance for many of us to hear Boog do a Cubs game.

The starters will be Kyle Hendricks and Chris Paddack.

The bases may be green.

(https://www.forestgrove-or.gov/sites/default/files/styles/gallery500/public/imageattachments/community/page/32201/shamrock.jpg?itok=dctbG29I)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 17, 2021, 05:02:53 pm
Pretty sure tonight's lineup is what we'll see on Opening Day.

CF Happ
C Contreras
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
LF Pederson
SS Baez
RF Heyward
2B Hoerner
P Hendricks
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 17, 2021, 05:54:29 pm
After Hendricks today, here's the Cubs pitching plan against Padres on
@WatchMarquee:

-Craig Kimbrel
-Andrew Chafin
-Dan Winkler
-Jonathan Holder
-Juan Gámez
-Michael Rucker
-Joe Biagini
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 17, 2021, 05:55:20 pm
Tony Andracki  @TonyAndracki23  16m
After Hendricks today, here's the Cubs pitching plan against Padres on @WatchMarquee:
(Also on the MLB Network)

-Craig Kimbrel
-Andrew Chafin
-Dan Winkler
-Jonathan Holder
-Juan Gámez
-Michael Rucker
-Joe Biagini
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on March 17, 2021, 07:03:27 pm
After Hendricks tonight these pitchers are scheduled to pitch.
-Craig Kimbrel
-Andrew Chafin
-Dan Winkler
-Jonathan Holder
-Juan Gámez
-Michael Rucker
-Joe Biagini
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 17, 2021, 07:06:11 pm
This is what I heard: after Hendricks today, here's the Cubs pitching plan against Padres on @WatchMarquee:
(Also on the MLB Network)

-Craig Kimbrel
-Andrew Chafin
-Dan Winkler
-Jonathan Holder
-Juan Gámez
-Michael Rucker
-Joe Biagini
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on March 17, 2021, 08:08:28 pm
Anyone know who's pitching after Hendricks tonight?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on March 17, 2021, 08:17:38 pm
Pat Hughes and JD in the booth tonight.  Nice!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 17, 2021, 08:42:41 pm
It’s good to hear “CONE-tre-ras”...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 17, 2021, 08:45:13 pm
Glad Kyle’s OK, but that wasn’t a lot of fun seeing him nearly hurt himself by trying to leg out a single during spring training.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on March 17, 2021, 08:50:01 pm
CONE-tre-ras!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on March 17, 2021, 08:50:22 pm
He shouldn't ever be trying to leg out a single. There's still time for the NL to make games better and adopt the DH before the season starts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 17, 2021, 09:10:57 pm
He shouldn't ever be trying to leg out a single. There's still time for the NL to make games better and adopt the DH before the season starts.

It’s embarrassing to get forced out at 1B on a liner to RF. So, of course he’s going to run hard. It’s a Kangaroo Court fine!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 17, 2021, 09:19:01 pm
Isn't one of baseballs seemingly endless unwritten rules that you don't try to throw out a guy at 1B on an outfield single in spring training?

On Wednesdays?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 17, 2021, 10:16:57 pm
Only until 6 PM.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 18, 2021, 09:21:29 am
"Three steps before the base, it's either, I'm out or I'm running into him," he said with a laugh. "The competitiveness took over. It was like, 'I'm not getting thrown out from right field.'"

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/cubs-kyle-hendricks-has-eventful-return-batters-box-was-funny
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 18, 2021, 10:51:28 am
On the Cubs’ available pitchers list today behind Jake Arrieta: Jason Adam, Jake Jewell, Dillon Maples, Trevor Megill, Manny Rodríguez, Keegan Thompson, Brandon Workman. - Jordan Bastian

This long of a list suggests to me that today's game may be a nine inning affair.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 18, 2021, 11:11:07 am
All games on ESPN or the MLB Network are nine innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 18, 2021, 11:13:50 am
Nifty.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 18, 2021, 11:22:48 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ewxj3l0W8AgSJNM?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on March 18, 2021, 11:27:31 am
Going all out to win this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 18, 2021, 11:36:18 am
I looked up Marisnick.  He has started one career regular season game batting third.  I wonder what that lineup looked like.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 18, 2021, 11:41:01 am
Was it in high school?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 18, 2021, 03:30:16 pm
The Indians website lists their TV announcers as Rick Manning and Matt Underwood.   They are doing a great job so far.

1-0 Cubs in the bottom of the second.   Bote with a long homer in the first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 18, 2021, 03:48:42 pm
One big problem with the Cleveland telecast: way too many LIBERTY!  LIBERTY!  LIBERTY!  LIBERTY! commercials.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on March 18, 2021, 03:49:19 pm
One big problem with the Cleveland telecast: way too many LIBERTY!  LIBERTY!  LIBERTY!  LIBERTY! commercials.

Yeah those commercials are absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 18, 2021, 04:34:21 pm
Maples is one of a kind.  Came within one strike of a nine pitch, 3 K inning.  Then a HBP and a run-scoring double.  Followed by the third K on an insane slider that hit the batter but was so good that the guy swung at it.

You have to take him north.  If for no other reason than the theater.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 18, 2021, 04:39:00 pm
Maples inning.  K'd first two guy on 6 pitches.  Maybe 4 were strikes, two chase pitches.  0-2 on 3rd guy, then throws a big breaker that isn't close and hits him on foot. 

2-1 on lefty, throws a fastball that got hammered. 

Got 2-2 on next guy, hit guy dead on the thigh but guy trying to twist away got called for strikeout. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 18, 2021, 04:48:52 pm
Those first eight strikes: no fouls either.

5 called strikes and 3 swinging strikes. Could have been a Special Immaculate Inning with no touches.

Yeah, you have to take him to opening day and see what happens.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 18, 2021, 05:09:51 pm
Keegan Thompson gives up a seeing-eye ground-ball single.  Strumpf did not look very quick or rangy at 2b, I was surprised the ball got through.  Got to 2-strikes on next hitter, but didn't throw a good putaway pitch, and guy kind of looped a single over the infield.  Threw a curve that bounced about 8 feet in front of the plate, 2nd/3rd no outs.  Then struck out the next three batters. 

Thompson looked pretty composed and kinda fit the profile of a guy who maybe kinda knows what he's doing.  Looked to hae good balance.  Missed some fastballs a little low, but was working some up fastballs and some down fastballs, and what looked like a couple of breaking-ball variants.  Kinda looks like a guy who, if he could get into a better groove and locate a little better, might become a good craftsman guy.  Didn't look overwhelming, but without a gun didn't look like his fastball was too slow to use.  Think he's got a chance.  But will need to be able to locate his breaking stuff pretty well, and locate both the up and the down fastballs.  May not be as sharp yet as he might be as the spring and the season progresses? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 18, 2021, 06:04:41 pm
The Cleveland broadcasters just reported a 99 for Megill.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 18, 2021, 07:31:22 pm
The Cubs retired 27 batters today, 16 by strikeout.  K'd 39% of the batters they faced.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 18, 2021, 09:06:43 pm
The Cleveland broadcasters just reported a 99 for Megill.

Gave up a deep drive and a sharp foul ball.  Deep one seemed to be a hanging breaking ball.  Foul maybe another?  K'd the final batter on a sharp breaking ball within the zone, looked really good.  Bounced a couple of others. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 19, 2021, 10:45:24 am
Listed behind Zach Davies today on Cubs’ pitching list: Brothers, Gámez, Jewell, Norwood, Steele, Tepera, Wieck. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 20, 2021, 10:26:47 am
On Cubs’ pitching list behind Trevor Williams today: Chafin, Gámez, Kimbrel, Little, Miller, Nance, Strop. - Jordan Bastian

Strop!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 20, 2021, 11:38:25 am
Cubs relievers got 10K in their 5 innings yesterday.  I think Iowa is going to have some guys with big league velocity and with big-league K-capacity.  Control, command, consistency, that's a different story, I suppose. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 20, 2021, 08:03:33 pm
Miller looked good again today.

If they don't add him to the roster before his opt out and he winds up going elsewhere, they might as well just stop signing these reclamation projects altogether.  He's been as good as anyone could reasonably hope a comeback guy like him to be.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on March 21, 2021, 01:14:36 am
So Strop got the final outs today to preserve the lead (while allowing a run).

Yahoo has both him and Kimbrel listed as #46; which one got to keep it?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 21, 2021, 03:26:16 am
Kimbrel.  Strop is wearing 64, Carlton Fisk style.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on March 21, 2021, 06:13:11 am
Kimbrel.  Strop is wearing 64, Carlton Fisk style.

And here I was rooting for him passionately; I might have to change this now :(
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 21, 2021, 08:47:06 am
Don't worry.  He's not making the team.

Let's just hope that Higgins (86) picks a real number when he breaks camp with the club.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 21, 2021, 04:56:27 pm
Maples got himself into a jam, but recovered pretty well.  Let down by his defense (for whatever reason, a familiar theme with him).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 22, 2021, 02:04:33 am
Miller looked good again today.

If they don't add him to the roster before his opt out and he winds up going elsewhere, they might as well just stop signing these reclamation projects altogether.  He's been as good as anyone could reasonably hope a comeback guy like him to be.

Would be helpful to know details of Miller’s opt-out date.

As AZ Phil has noted, if Miller’s opt-out is opening day, then Cubs figure to add him to roster. If opt-out is later, it might be best to stretch him out at SB and get him ready as a SP.

Miller got a K in last outing on a good breaking ball in dirt but the breaking stuff is behind his heater right now. Seems to be commanding FB well and hitting 95.  But, hoping Cubs have some flexibility on the opt-out.

Megill looked good again and deserves to make the club but don’t see an open roster spot unless Cubs release some 40-man FAs (Workman? Holder?). But think Cubs will want to control as many guys as possible.

Brothers is also deserving and might have an opt-out too? Guessing he makes the club, even with the option.

40-man gets more complicated if Romine can’t go opening day and Cubs have to make 40-man room for Higgins. Could see pitcher with options DFA if that is necessary, or one of the vet relievers.

I’m assuming that Sogard takes Vargas’ 40-man slot. Wonder about a Maybin opt-out date too? Maybe Cubs prefer Torres in any case.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 22, 2021, 08:16:19 am
Still awaiting the decision on Alzolay's option status, too.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 22, 2021, 11:26:10 am
Tony Andracki
@TonyAndracki23
Keegan Thompson starting for the Cubs today vs. Angels. Here's the pitching on tap after Thompson:

Jason Adam
Rex Brothers
Ryan Tepera
Brad Wieck
James Norwood
Jake Jewell
Robert Stock
Manny Rodríguez
Juan Gámez
10:34 AM · Mar 22, 2021·TweetDeck

Only four guys still in big league camp.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 22, 2021, 11:30:00 am
Thompson's facing what looks to be pretty close to the Angels' regular lineup.  Should be interesting to see how he fares.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 22, 2021, 12:17:15 pm
Will that be a TV game?  yeah, I'd like to see how he holds up over several innings. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 22, 2021, 12:17:59 pm
If he can hold velocity that makes him more interesting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 22, 2021, 12:34:07 pm
Yes, Craig.  MLB Network and mlb.tv.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 22, 2021, 06:32:49 pm
You can see why the scouts love Amaya’s bat.  Short, sweet power stroke.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 22, 2021, 06:37:38 pm
Deeg, did you see Brennen Davis' hit?  Just a single, but the way the ball came off the bat was...different.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on March 22, 2021, 07:21:02 pm
Deeg, did you see Brennen Davis' hit?  Just a single, but the way the ball came off the bat was...different.

Nope, just a few highlights on Twitter.  But Davis has what they used to call a live bat, for sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 22, 2021, 07:58:22 pm
Just checked box score, 3 walks and 8 runs, listed one out into the 2nd inning.  Tough day for him, too bad.

Most of the damage first two innings was against Gamez and Strock. Thompson wasn't great but had some hard luck. Gave up a hard hit double to Upton landing base of the CF fence that I think some CFers would have caught, perhaps Marsinick. Happ didn’t.

Higgins is brutal catching low pitches that have action. Two got away with Thompson in there, that hurt him. Hoping that Romine can go because skeptical that Higgins can catch at this level.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on March 22, 2021, 08:43:34 pm
I reviewed the box score and they replaced some Thompson damage with Gamez. 

Too bad that Higgins didn't look legit. 

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on March 22, 2021, 08:58:34 pm
Pitchers have raved about Higgins. Everybody can have a bad game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 22, 2021, 09:21:15 pm
Pitchers seem to like working with Higgins, which is important, but that’s different than whether the guy catches the ball consistently. 

Not going to be surprised if Cubs pick up a catcher released elsewhere, if Romine can’t go opening day.

Higgins may have value as a multi-position guy but not sure about him as a #2 catcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 23, 2021, 11:24:27 am
Tony Andracki
@TonyAndracki23
Cubs pitching plan for today:

Jake Arrieta
Shelby Miller
Andrew Chafin
Pedro Strop
Kohl Stewart
Brendon Little
Manny Rodríguez
11:11 AM · Mar 23, 2021·TweetDeck
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 25, 2021, 08:38:03 am
One week from today

Sunny  44°

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 25, 2021, 09:30:09 am
Wrigley Aerials  @WrigleyAerials  Mar 21
No more nuveen to be seen.

Jeff Garlin might still ask if Nuveen is a shampoo.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on March 25, 2021, 10:43:12 am
One week from today

Sunny  44°

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The font on the Pirates' side of the scoreboard looks much better than the one on the Cubs' side.  Using variable widths for the numbers make the batting averages look so sloppy (like Bryant's .211).  Just have every digit be the same width.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 25, 2021, 11:57:24 am
That has to be an artist's rendition

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 25, 2021, 04:41:08 pm
Listed as available to pitch behind Alzolay: Gámez, Little, Maples, Norwood, Rodríguez, Tepera, Wieck. - Jordan Bastian

Since Adbert almost certainly won't go more than four innings - if that - we'll probably see at least five of these guys (unless somebody gets a two inning look).

Since Maples, Tepera, and Wieck are still in big league camp, I imagine they'll get priority.  Little and Rodriguez next, please.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 25, 2021, 04:59:49 pm
Tonight's game is on the MLB Network.  No word on who will be working with JD.  I'm still waiting for a chance to hear what Boog is like doing the play-by-play.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 25, 2021, 06:11:31 pm
Rick Sutcliffe  @Sut_ESPN  1h
@Cubs @WatchMarquee
Excited to be a part of the show tonight! @Dodgers at @SloanParkMesa join @BoogSciambi @Dempster46 @baseballhall Ryno and myself!  Should be Fun!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 25, 2021, 08:09:34 pm
I see the Cubs are protecting Alzolay's confidence by starting him against weak hitting teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 25, 2021, 08:45:22 pm
Dave, just curious - after 9 up, 9 down, would you send him back out to face Betts-Seager-Turner again?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on March 25, 2021, 08:53:51 pm
Adbert looking VERY good against the best lineup in the NL...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on March 25, 2021, 09:01:09 pm
I don't know how many pitches he has thrown in his previous start, but if he has been stretched out enough to make the pitch count reasonable, I would let him go out again.  I usually prefer to let a starter that is going well to stay in until he starts to get hit (or loses control).  It always irked me when Maddon would take Hendricks out after 6 innings after giving up 1 or 2 runs on 3 or 4 hits.

That is a general statement, and there are many specific instances where a pitcher should be taken out early.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 25, 2021, 09:02:10 pm
Gotta send him down.  Need to give some grizzled ham and egger money and retirement time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 25, 2021, 11:03:27 pm
Interesting - on that double, Brennen Davis didn't let go of the bat with his trailing hand.  I wonder if he hits that way all the time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2021, 08:33:38 am
Alzolay unlucky in the 4th...got squeezed on a couple of really nice pitches, and then the foul pop that was lost in the lights which became a double on the next pitch...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on March 26, 2021, 09:28:33 am
Wieck completely unlucky as well...

I’d take him over Chafin any day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 26, 2021, 11:25:30 am
Also available to pitch today: Chafin, Gámez, Jewell, Nance, Strop, Winkler. - Jordan Bastian

Kyle for six, then Chafin, Winkler, and Strop?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 26, 2021, 11:40:26 am
Another MLB Network game

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 27, 2021, 05:57:08 pm
Behind Shelby Miller tonight, available arms include: Joe Biagini, Rex Brothers, Juan Gámez, Ben Holmes, Trevor Megill, Michael Rucker, Justin Steele, Brandon Workman. - Jordan Bastian

Steele, please.  Lots and lots of Steele.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 28, 2021, 11:57:29 am
Listed as available to pitch behind Arrieta today: Adam, Gámez, Little, Maples, Norwood, Rodríguez, Tepera, Wieck. - Jordan Bastian
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 28, 2021, 12:52:29 pm
Who has made the team as RP's now?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on March 28, 2021, 12:57:32 pm
Jordan Bastian:

What we know on Cubs' roster:

Regulars: Rizzo, Bote, Báez, Bryant, Contreras, Pederson, Happ, Heyward

Bench: Sogard, Marisnick, Duffy, TBD

Rotation: Hendricks, Arrieta, Davies, Williams, Alzolay

Bullpen: Kimbrel, Workman, Winkler, Tepera, Chafin, Mills, Adam, Brothers, Maples
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on March 28, 2021, 01:11:56 pm
Seems like Cubs are trying to make a deal for a back-up catcher and that Higgins is Plan B if those efforts fail.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on March 28, 2021, 01:33:36 pm
Didn't one "retire" the other day?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on March 29, 2021, 01:36:16 pm
Final spring training game of 2021.  Note the early getaway day start time.

The MLB Network will have the game on a delayed basis - 7:05 CDT.

The forecast for Chicago for the opener with the Pirates on Thursday is sunny with a high of 35°.  Wind in from left center at 17 mph.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 01:01:50 am
Opening Day Details April 1:

Thursday, April 1, Chicago Cubs vs. Pittsburgh Pirates, 1:20 p.m. CDT

God Bless America: Interoperative Care Technician for Ambulatory Services at Advocate Aurora Health Emilio Nicolasin

National anthem: John Vincent

Special recognition: Tribute video and moment of silence to honor Cubs ballpark associates who have passed away

First pitch: Mayor Lightfoot will present the ceremonial first pitch baseballs to Chicago Department of Public Health Commissioner Dr. Allison Arwady and Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike who will each throw out a first pitch alongside Advocate Aurora Health MVPs

7th inning stretch: Cubs Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg will hand it off to the Advocate Aurora Health MVPs in the Budweiser Bleachers
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 09:09:53 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5GvTjWYAETkMG?format=jpg&name=900x900)

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 09:13:32 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Jack Birdbath on April 01, 2021, 09:45:15 am
I regret buying tickets for today’s game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 09:48:29 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 10:02:19 am
Umpire Crew  @UmpCrew  52m
Umpires for #Pirates (0-0) at #Cubs (0-0):
Mark Wegner, Chris Guccione, Alan Porter, Ramon De Jesus (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 01:18:37 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 01:26:42 pm
Two batters in, and the Cubs are trailing 2-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 01, 2021, 01:32:18 pm
Perfect way to start season at home — walk the first batter then give up a two run homer.  I thought cold weather gave an edge to the pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 01:46:04 pm
Bases loaded, 1 out for new Cub Joc Pederson. Let's see if he fits in and fails to drive in the run.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 01:47:33 pm
The new Marquee graphics are great, especially not having to count the dots to see how many outs there are. 



Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 01:48:59 pm
Duane Underwood is warming up in the Pirates pen.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 01:51:10 pm
Sac fly, 2-1. Good AB for Pederson.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 01, 2021, 02:13:43 pm
Cubs needs to be more patient vs Kuhl. J-Hey grounds a bad pitch into an easy out. Bote walks on 4 pitches immediately following. Make this guy come into the zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 01, 2021, 02:16:25 pm
Hendricks does a fine job getting a bunt down with 2 strikes. Bote moves to 2nd.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 01, 2021, 02:19:34 pm
Happ strikes out on a breaking pitch up after working the count full. 3-1 Pirates after 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 01, 2021, 02:20:34 pm
What’s wrong with Hendricks?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 01, 2021, 02:21:51 pm
Struggling with command in the very cold weather. Stuff is moving, just not where he wants it to. Lots of pitches running to Kyle's arm side off the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 01, 2021, 02:22:09 pm
I wouldn't take away too much in a game played in 30 degree weather.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 01, 2021, 02:23:03 pm
Slow grounder deep into the shift, Bote waits back on it. Runner called out, but was safe. Play challenged, will be overturned.

Defense needs to turn those chances into outs, especially on a day when Hendricks is struggling.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 02:25:01 pm
Hendricks already over 50 pitches and he hasn't gotten an out in the third inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 01, 2021, 02:25:53 pm
Bote is going to be on thin ice if he continues to make plays like that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 01, 2021, 02:49:49 pm
A well executed run down!  Atypical.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 01, 2021, 02:58:12 pm
Has Workman been this slow all spring?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 03:30:23 pm
I didn't watch a minute of spring training, so I don't know what they've looked like. But the Cubs look awful today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 01, 2021, 03:32:03 pm
Everyone gets a pass today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 01, 2021, 03:39:09 pm
Cause there is no pressure for the Cubs to get off to a good start this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 03:49:33 pm
The Cubs pitching staff has put the Pirates leadoff hitter on base in every inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 03:51:20 pm
(5 leadoff walks, plus that Bote play where he didn't charge a grounder)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 03:59:10 pm
Moran walks in the 6th. That’s EIGHT walks for the Bucs.

Cubs have one hit in this game so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 04:01:54 pm
Bucs also have a HBP in addition to the 8 walks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 04:05:12 pm
Winkler faces two batters, and he gets both of them out. Feels like the first time today a pitcher has retired two batters in a row.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 04:06:14 pm
Cubs very lucky to be behind only 4-2.

Maybe can come back and steal this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 01, 2021, 04:06:21 pm
When Rex Brothers and Dan Winkler have been your strike throwers, that may be a sign it hasn't been the best day for your pitching staff.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 04:13:00 pm
Pirates relievers have thrown 3 perfect innings with 7 strikeouts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 04:15:02 pm
And Kuhl retired last three Cubs hitters in his final inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 01, 2021, 04:15:49 pm
That was not a competative AB for Joc against a lefty.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on April 01, 2021, 04:36:57 pm
Moran walks in the 6th. That’s EIGHT walks for the Bucs.

You can't stop Colin Moran, you can only hope to contain him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 01, 2021, 04:42:11 pm
Yu looking good for the Padres.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 01, 2021, 04:45:08 pm
Of course.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 01, 2021, 04:47:27 pm
Caratini 2-2 with 3 RBI.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 04:48:05 pm
On opening day I'm usually glued to my TV so as to not miss any of the action.  Now I have the game on while doing other things.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 04:58:50 pm
Cubs have thrown 195 pitches thru 8 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 01, 2021, 05:03:08 pm
The Cubs have had a runner on third with less than two outs three times today, and all three times they've gotten him in with a sac fly. That's new.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 05:18:27 pm
Joc Pederson walks with one out to bring the tying run to the plate in the bottom of the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 01, 2021, 05:19:51 pm
At the plate, not on base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 05:20:22 pm
Fixed
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 05:22:26 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 05:28:02 pm
Time of game: exactly 4 hours.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DelMarFan on April 01, 2021, 05:30:02 pm
It felt so much longer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 01, 2021, 05:33:36 pm
Not much to take away from this one.  Not much in the way of egregious mistakes, just a team that looked like they didn't really want to be out there.  I would have felt the same way.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 05:34:54 pm
Cubs outpitched Bucs 218-151.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 01, 2021, 05:44:01 pm
That away.  Every single game is going to be lackluster and pitiful — home opener and all the players are shivering from the cold and can’t beat the Pirates.  I predict a sweep.  David Ross should go back to announcing with his girl friend Jes, that’s where he belongs, in the booth.  Nico Hoerner should have been starting at second base and there’s no excuse otherwise.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 01, 2021, 05:58:20 pm
But hey, huh, Biaz looked sharp didn’t he? 3 K’s and a foul pop up. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on April 01, 2021, 06:10:32 pm
Moran walks in the 6th. That’s EIGHT walks for the Bucs.

Cubs have one hit in this game so far.
Cubs have thrown 195 pitches thru 8 innings.

Time of game: exactly 4 hours.
I think 2021 Theo would say there was too much dead time and not a lot of aesthetically pleasing baseball today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 01, 2021, 06:13:45 pm
There's your solution....Contract the Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 01, 2021, 06:46:24 pm
https://youtu.be/u7C-ANQjOkM
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 11:02:26 pm
“It was just kind of a crappy game,” Cubs manager David Ross said.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 01, 2021, 11:26:10 pm
I just hope it wasn't a microcosm of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 01, 2021, 11:45:56 pm
I just hope it wasn't a microcosm of the season.

Cubs on a pace for 486 Sacrifice Flies.

And you’re worried?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 02, 2021, 12:01:36 am
Attendance of 10,343 today is 2,000 more than Cubs averaged per game in 1966.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 02, 2021, 01:43:40 am
Thought worth mentioning.

Recall the Stallings double off Jason Adam in 5th inning that was hit over Pederson’s head and knocked in a run? Kind of a lazy flyball that landed on warning track.

Statcast expected batting average on that ball is .180.

Remains to be seen whether Pederson is going to be much better defensively than Schwarber.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2021, 07:11:22 am
I remember thinking at the time “Schwarber catches that...”.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 02, 2021, 07:25:06 am
Different year.  Same offensive offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 02, 2021, 08:10:38 am
1 hit through 8 innings to a AAAA team.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 03, 2021, 09:38:35 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 03, 2021, 10:51:04 am
Why is Happ sitting against a LHP? He’s the one outfielder who isn’t dominated by left handed pitching.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 03, 2021, 11:28:56 am
Cause you promised Joc and who knows about Heyward.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 03, 2021, 11:47:36 am
Why is Happ sitting against a LHP? He’s the one outfielder who isn’t dominated by left handed pitching.

Jordan Bastian   @MLBastian  59m
Today's lineup (sans Happ) was about getting Marisnick into game early in long season, per Ross:

"I've got four really good outfielders that we're going to have to mix and match. I don't want Jake to come from swinging the bat pretty well in spring to sitting and getting stale."
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 01:07:13 pm
I can’t wait to see how Jake A. does today.  How is the weather?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 03, 2021, 01:09:40 pm
Jordan Bastian   @MLBastian  59m
Today's lineup (sans Happ) was about getting Marisnick into game early in long season, per Ross:

"I've got four really good outfielders that we're going to have to mix and match. I don't want Jake to come from swinging the bat pretty well in spring to sitting and getting stale."

That still doesn't explain why it's Happ sitting instead of Heyward.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 01:14:34 pm
I’ve noticed that about Ross — like the exact opposite of Maddon when it comes to players playing different positions.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 03, 2021, 01:35:47 pm
Cubs fall behind in the first inning again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 01:51:06 pm
But they rally, Contreras walks to lead off, Bryant strikes out on three pitches, and slugger Rizzo grounds into a double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2021, 02:09:49 pm
Cubs continue with Sacrifice Fly proficiency.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 02:10:53 pm
Bottom 2 Baez steals second and third, Cubs score two and take the lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2021, 02:15:28 pm
xBA on the Kevin Newman RBI single in first inning was .120.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 02:21:02 pm
Line drive to Bryant and a nifty double play to slugger Rizzo to end the inning.  Cubs lead 2 - 1, bottom half.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2021, 02:25:29 pm
Rumor that Bryant homered.

Waiting for confirmation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 02:28:10 pm
It’s true, believe it or not, to center field no less, Cubs up 3 - 1 as we glide into the fourth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2021, 02:31:46 pm
Yeah, on Bryant homer, LFer waiting under ball for the catch but turned out he was waiting in wrong spot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2021, 02:42:50 pm
Arrieta 25 pitches first inning and 32 pitches in 2, 3, 4 innings combined.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 02:51:53 pm
At 59 starting the 5th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 03:00:24 pm
72 and out of the inning. Bottom 5, still 3 - 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 03:22:51 pm
Do you go with Arrieta for one more?  I would.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 03, 2021, 03:28:47 pm
Heyward crushes one to RF. Back of the bleachers...

4-1 Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 03:39:48 pm
Brandon Workman!  10 pitches, 2 strikeouts and an easy ground out.  4 - 1 Cubs going into bottom 7.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 03:55:02 pm
5 - 1 after a Baez RBI single. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 04:16:45 pm
Chafin 16 pitches 2 strikeouts and a pop up.  Looking good.  5 - 1 Cubs going into bottom 8.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 04:24:18 pm
Kimbrel?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 03, 2021, 04:34:43 pm
Yep, 16 pitches, 3 strikeouts, and the Cubs win 5 - 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 03, 2021, 05:38:37 pm
Quite the showing by the bullpen today. 3 IP, 0 base runners, 7 Ks
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 03, 2021, 05:51:28 pm
https://youtu.be/260GMorNMP8
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on April 03, 2021, 05:54:19 pm
Quite the showing by the bullpen today. 3 IP, 0 base runners, 7 Ks

That starter didn't do too badly either.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 03, 2021, 05:55:34 pm
Hopefully, we won't see too much more of Marisnick for Happ.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 03, 2021, 07:19:24 pm
Arrieta looked good; Kimbrel was painting the corners (though some of those calls could have gone the other way); great game.

https://youtu.be/260GMorNMP8

At 6:00 into the video we get a shot of the scoreboard and I noticed that the starting pitcher was still in every game going on at that point.  But it turns out that in the Red Sox-Orioles game, at least, starter Houck (#89) had already been lifted.  Are the scoreboard operators just not bothering to tell us about relief pitchers?  Are there so many pitching changes these days that they can't keep up?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 03, 2021, 08:24:56 pm
Hopefully, we won't see too much more of Marisnick for Happ.

Is there any reason to believe Happ (or Pederson, or Heyward) will outperform Marisnick against LHP?  Obviously Marisnick is nothing special but it's not like Ross is spoiled for options.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 03, 2021, 08:31:57 pm
Happ has a .709 career OPS vs. LHP. Marisnick has a .711 career OPS against LHP. So yeah, I think there's a good chance Happ will be better...they've been the same so far, and Happ is a much, much better hitter overall.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 03, 2021, 08:35:56 pm
Happ has a .709 career OPS vs. LHP. Marisnick has a .711 career OPS against LHP. So yeah, I think there's a good chance Happ will be better...they've been the same so far, and Happ is a much, much better hitter overall.

Not from the right side he isn't.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on April 03, 2021, 08:45:36 pm
Happ should be playing CF and batting leadoff every day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ben on April 03, 2021, 10:19:07 pm
Hey Bennett and Tuffy, thanks for the video recap!

That will probably be the best way to watch Cub games this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 04, 2021, 10:02:22 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyI1LQYWgAElkpD?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 04, 2021, 10:18:55 am
Boooo
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 04, 2021, 10:56:21 am
Did Sogard  get his shot?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 04, 2021, 10:58:20 am
His wife is no promoting ivermectin as a COVID cure. Strong suspicion that is a no.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 04, 2021, 11:32:18 am
His wife is no promoting ivermectin as a COVID cure. Strong suspicion that is a no.
Is ivermectin a medical term?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 04, 2021, 12:04:28 pm
It’s used to treat cars and dogs of parasites...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 04, 2021, 12:28:34 pm
It is a medicine that kills parasites and scabies. It can be used in humans as well as animals and has become the new hydroxychloroquine in quacks.

People are taking animal ivermectin routinely because they think it will prevent COVID infections. The fillers used in animal meds aren’t approved for humans and the dosing is different. It also has a large number of side effects and is only meant for short term use.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on April 04, 2021, 01:11:09 pm
It is a medicine that kills parasites and scabies. It can be used in humans as well as animals and has become the new hydroxychloroquine in quacks.

People are taking animal ivermectin routinely because they think it will prevent COVID infections. The fillers used in animal meds aren’t approved for humans and the dosing is different. It also has a large number of side effects and is only meant for short term use.

This is really a thing?  Good lord....
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 04, 2021, 01:20:05 pm
CBJ,  I thinks it's the "no" in your statement that confused me.  Is that a "not" or a "now"?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 01:28:36 pm
Oh, how I love to see a first inning like Davies just threw.  Two pop ups and a three pitch strikeout - nine pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 01:46:20 pm
Cubs score two in bottom half of first and Mitch Keller hurled 31 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 04, 2021, 01:51:27 pm
CBJ,  I thinks it's the "no" in your statement that confused me.  Is that a "not" or a "now"?

Now

This is really a thing?  Good lord....

Yes.......
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 01:54:04 pm
Davies is a 70’s type of guy.  He throws them in there in the 70’s.  20 pitches thru 2, 1 harmless hit, let’s keep it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 04, 2021, 02:00:23 pm
Three games in and still no sign of Pink Hat Guy in his usual seat right behind the plate.  I hope he is Ok.

Still 2-0 Cubs after two.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:01:38 pm
Keller at 50 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:12:48 pm
Davies walks a man in the third, upping his pitch count, but no harm done, 2 - 0 Cubs going into bottom half.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:29:28 pm
Happ leads off with homer, but that’s it, typical runners left in scoring position.  Week grounder by Pederson and easy fly out by Baez to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:33:44 pm
Another 9 pitch inning for Davies with, get this, two strikeouts and a ground out. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:41:50 pm
Nothing for Cubs in bottom 4, new pitcher Stratton for Pirates threw the magic baseball number of nine too!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:54:12 pm
We might have us something here with Davies.  63 pitches thru 5.  Struck out the pinch hitter to end the inning with a runner stranded at third that Davies walked to lead off the inning.  Seems to me first time facing Davies is not easy, let’s see how the rest of the game plays out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 02:58:00 pm
Top 6 now, Cubs 3 - 0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 03:20:00 pm
And Davies falls apart, two singles, a walk, and a two run homer by Colin Moran, all with two outs. Yep, he’s a 70’s kind of man as far as pitch count goes.  The good news is Winkler came in and got the third out on two pitches.  3 - 2 Cubs bottom 6
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 03:39:40 pm
Bryant doubles and ends up scoring, pinch hitter Duffy hits into a double play to the end the inning, 4 - 2 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 04, 2021, 04:32:48 pm
Cubs win 4 - 3.  Kimbrel closes out the ninth with two strike outs, and Baez with a good catch of a line drive over second base to end the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 04, 2021, 04:35:59 pm
Kimbrel strikes out 2 in the 9’th and saves the game.  Cubs win 4 - 3 and take the third and final rubber game of the series.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on April 04, 2021, 05:30:49 pm
Good start.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 04, 2021, 07:35:56 pm
Hopefully Kimbrel pitches like this for the next two months, because it would be nice to get a Chapman-like return when we dump him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 04, 2021, 10:11:47 pm
If he pitches like this for the next two months, unless the rest of the team really stinks, they aren't likely to trade him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on April 04, 2021, 11:12:14 pm
Kimbrel strikes out 2 in the 9’th and saves the game.  Cubs win 4 - 3 and take the third and final rubber game of the series.
There were 3 rubber games in the series?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 05, 2021, 01:23:51 pm
I can hear him, just like yesterday, and Harry would always say to open if a three game series was tied at 1 -1 “This is the third and final rubber game of the series.”
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 05, 2021, 01:42:15 pm
The third game is the rubber game, right?  Or have I misinterpreted that - quite possible when I look again at “rubber.”
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 05, 2021, 01:45:57 pm
Harry's quote was "This is the third, final, and rubber game of the series".
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 05, 2021, 02:06:37 pm
That’s it!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on April 05, 2021, 02:09:42 pm
Remember, commas can save lives.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 05, 2021, 02:22:01 pm
Pirates series, Cubs got 12 runs on 12 hits. 
-3 runs on 2 hits game one, 4 runs on 3 hits game three. 

Heh heh, *IF* the cubs are able to score ≥3 runs per game even when getting ≤3 hits, they're probably going to win a lot of games! 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 05, 2021, 02:24:32 pm
And if they get less than 4 hits in 2/3 of their games, they probably will have a disastrous season!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 05, 2021, 02:43:17 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyO-0UGXEAAS1q_?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 05, 2021, 02:49:38 pm
The teams at the high school I went to are known as the Trojans.  The local paper once had a headline that read something like "Trojans vs Royals in rubber game".
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 05, 2021, 03:33:04 pm
Well certainly the rubber is the pitcher’s mound, can’t be anything else.  So I guess it means a pitcher’s duel for the third game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 05, 2021, 06:11:34 pm
Umpires for #Brewers (1-2) at #Cubs (2-1):
Alan Porter, Mark Wegner, Chris Guccione, Roberto Ortiz (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)

First Pitch: 6:40 pm
Venue: Wrigley Field
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 05, 2021, 06:18:14 pm
And if they get less than 4 hits in 2/3 of their games, they probably will have a disastrous season!

Not if they win 2/3 of their games.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 05, 2021, 06:41:46 pm
Anybody going to miss Ryan Braun?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 06:47:41 pm
The Cubs have to have the change-uppiest rotation in MLB by far.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 07:11:59 pm
Solid first three innings for Williams.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 05, 2021, 07:15:37 pm
First two innings

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyP7g9AWUAUR7-u?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 07:29:24 pm
Williams certainly looks totally in command.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 07:29:30 pm
Two-run homer for Contreras; Cubs lead 2-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 07:36:37 pm
Javy hits a homer to the opposite field; 3-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 07:37:52 pm
Brett Anderson is having a really bad inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 07:37:55 pm
Bote follows with a homer; 4-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 07:38:09 pm
It's suddenly a home run derby. This is the Brett Anderson I remember from his time with the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 05, 2021, 07:39:42 pm
Who was it that said that home runs are a very efficient way to score?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 07:42:15 pm
It's suddenly a home run derby. This is the Brett Anderson I remember from his time with the Cubs.

Don’t forget injuries. It seems amazing he only pitched 22 innings with the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 07:44:05 pm
That was a heck of a shift on Garcia. Rizzo was playing second base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 05, 2021, 07:44:40 pm
Who was it that said that home runs are a very efficient way to score?

The Perfesser.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 07:48:01 pm
Trevor Williams looks like he might be more than a back end starter/swingman tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 07:50:10 pm
Don’t forget injuries. It seems amazing he only pitched 22 innings with the Cubs.

He also gave up only two homers as a Cub, which seems impossible...he gave up so many runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 07:52:42 pm
Nice inning
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 05, 2021, 07:53:44 pm
Williams was unable to get a bunt down.  We have to get rid of this guy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 07:56:58 pm
Trevor Williams looks like he might be more than a back end starter/swingman tonight.

One start.  But if his command is this good sure, he looks more like a #3.  All those change-ups make the fastball look harder than 91-92.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 08:02:41 pm
Omar Narvaez breaks up the perfect game with a 67 mph grounder down the third base line with the shift on. That ball had a .050 expected batting average. All no hitters are really lucky.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 05, 2021, 08:04:35 pm
Anybody going to miss Ryan Braun?
Maybe his Federal Express driver on his route.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 08:12:24 pm
Williams has 17 swing and misses thru 6 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 08:12:27 pm
One start.  But if his command is this good sure, he looks more like a #3.  All those change-ups make the fastball look harder than 91-92.

Yeah, just one start. But even in one start, it's clear why he beat out Mills for the fifth starter job. Williams definitely has some upside...he can be a mid-rotation guy without smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 08:18:15 pm
Jordan Bastian
@MLBastian
I am not in the Ban The Shift crowd, but I will note that the hit that beat the shift to end Williams' no-hit bid had an exit velo of 67.1 mph and an xBA of .050
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 08:23:56 pm
Yeah, just one start. But even in one start, it's clear why he beat out Mills for the fifth starter job. Williams definitely has some upside...he can be a mid-rotation guy without smoke and mirrors.

To be fair beating out Mills is a low bar.  But yes, Williams has some upside.

6 IP - that's it for him, maybe?  Not a huge pitch count but it is his opening day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 08:24:05 pm
Graphic on the screen showed that the Cubs are 418-356, a .540 winning percentage and 62 games over .500, in home night games in team history.

And since 2014 they've got a .644 winning percentage at night at home at 152-84.

Both of those stats are really impressive.  Imagine if we had played two-thirds of our home games at night, like most teams do, in just the years since 1988 and kept up that winning percentage.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 05, 2021, 08:27:03 pm
84 pitches is enough. Don’t ruin it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 08:31:01 pm
Unless the leg is broken you'd expect Javy to steal here if Bryant weren't blocking him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 08:36:13 pm
Adam comes in and Narvaez hits a three-run homer to make it 4-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 08:37:54 pm
Jason Adam is another Marmol/Edwards/Maples. If he had any kind of command of his pitches, he's be an all star closer. But since he has no idea where his pitches are going, he's not very good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 08:40:51 pm
Bote apparently blew a double play that would have gotten the Cubs out of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 08:42:42 pm
The ball took a bad hop and hit Bote right in the chest. He was lucky it didn't get by him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 08:46:11 pm
Man, that cowcatcher on Chafin is really a piece of art.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 08:47:20 pm
Chafin comes in and gets the Cubs out of the inning.

There was a grounder to Rizzo that was called foul but it looked like he grabbed it just fair and his momentum carried his glove over the line.  It ends up not mattering, fortunately.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 08:57:50 pm
Devin Williams in to pitch for Milwaukee.  Marisnick gets on with a walk, and with one out Sogard reaches down to shin-level to swing at, and make solid contact with, a sinking pitch and he drives it into the corner for a stand-up triple that brings Marisnick home.  5-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 09:04:13 pm
Contreras gets hit in the head with a pitch, and is such a class act that the first thing he does is put his arm around the catcher and say he's OK. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 09:04:39 pm
Sogard has been an injection of contact into the squad - a real shot in the arm.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 05, 2021, 09:05:26 pm
<rimshot>
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 05, 2021, 09:14:00 pm
That was easily the best I have seen Chafin throw.

That was good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 05, 2021, 09:15:01 pm
Chafin.  So good.

Workman to close it out?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 05, 2021, 09:21:45 pm
Nope.  Mills.

Somebody check on Deeg.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 09:25:16 pm
Going to be fun when JR picks up Mills in fantasy baseball tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 05, 2021, 09:27:03 pm
I'm fine with a strike thrower on the mound for the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 05, 2021, 09:31:17 pm
Mills gets the last three outs without any trouble.  Is this the first time seeing him get the final outs since his no-hitter?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 05, 2021, 09:43:16 pm
Not sure what's racing through his mind, but Mills looks so calm and composed.  Nice finish for him. 

Cubs score 5 runs on 5 hits.  4 games in, a perfect match between 17 runs and 17 hits thus far.  :)

Lots of luck in the game.  Adam K's a guy and gets a nice solid looks-like-DP-out-of-the-inning; then a bad hop and a HR and the game is totally different. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 05, 2021, 09:46:19 pm
Most of you are too young, but some of you might remember.  Back when I was a kid the Cubs had a reliever named Dick Tidrow.  I think his mustache was longer, and his hair darker, but I was thinking that Chafin looks like Dick Tidrow?  Anybody else remember him, and if so am I crazy?   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 05, 2021, 09:56:19 pm
Dirt!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 09:56:39 pm
Most of you are too young, but some of you might remember.  Back when I was a kid the Cubs had a reliever named Dick Tidrow.  I think his mustache was longer, and his hair darker, but I was thinking that Chafin looks like Dick Tidrow?  Anybody else remember him, and if so am I crazy?   

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Topps-Set-Break-2-Dick-Tidrow-Chicago-Cubs-787-/402501387759
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 09:58:41 pm
I only know him from his 1980’s Topps Card, but close enough.  The Cubs just haven’t had many guys with great mustaches.

My favorite all-time mustache is the pornstache on Maddux’s 1987 Donruss rookie.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 05, 2021, 09:59:09 pm
This was my first thought...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210406/aa75a122065271423d51616e0d4a32c7.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 05, 2021, 10:12:33 pm
The Cubs just haven’t had many guys with great mustaches.

What?!?!

Just to name a few:

Carmen Fanzone
Jerry Morales
Steve Ontiveros
Willie Hernandez
Tim Stoddard
Dennis Lamp
Al Nipper
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 10:27:27 pm
http://cubsconvention.blogspot.com/2010/01/top-10-mustaches-in-cubs-history.html
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 05, 2021, 10:30:51 pm
Sogard is looking like a very good pickup.  I suspect that he is going to pick up a lot of at bats that Bote would have gotten.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 10:39:15 pm
Baez got plunked pretty good near the knee tonight. Might see Sogard starting at SS Tuesday.

Contreras will get day off either Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon. He got beaned tonight, so maybe Tuesday.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 05, 2021, 10:39:16 pm
What?!?!

Just to name a few:

Carmen Fanzone
Jerry Morales
Steve Ontiveros
Willie Hernandez
Tim Stoddard
Dennis Lamp
Al Nipper
What?!?!

Just to name a few:

Carmen Fanzone
Jerry Morales
Steve Ontiveros
Willie Hernandez
Tim Stoddard
Dennis Lamp
Al Nipper

I’m not that old. Nipper and Stoddard are the only ones that played with Cubs when I was out of diapers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 05, 2021, 10:43:39 pm
Don't forget about Rod Beck.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 10:45:27 pm
Curt and Dave P. will remember this guy. Wonderful player and mustache.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryanji01.shtml
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on April 05, 2021, 10:52:04 pm
When I first became a Cubs fan in the early 90's, you had a couple of pretty respectable mustaches on the team...


(https://s.yimg.com/aah/collecting-sports-cards/1990-donruss-513-luis-salazar-baseball-card-chicago-cubs-7.gif)


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/52/95/af529523a060103c0618f3e539ffdd20.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on April 05, 2021, 10:54:46 pm
The Cubs have had some regrettable mustaches too, though...


(https://www.unlikelymoose.com/images/more/sandberg/sandberg_moustache_640_02.jpg)


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71pXYil0bkL._AC_SL1043_.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 05, 2021, 11:05:40 pm
Chaffin did good and got nada.  Adam gave up a three run homer and had to be bailed out of trouble and gets credit for a HOLD. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 05, 2021, 11:28:29 pm
Chafin and Adam each were credited with a Hold.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 05, 2021, 11:55:05 pm
Wow, Mills dominant to close.  Start printing WS tickets because the streams have been crossed, and dogs and cats are living together.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 06, 2021, 12:19:40 am
Chafin and Adam each were credited with a Hold.
Good, but only Chafin deserved it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 12:24:21 am
Chafin was fantastic.  But his stache was even better.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 06, 2021, 12:26:57 am
Good, but only Chafin deserved it.

Randy Dobnak got a Save for the Twins tonight in a game he finished while allowing 5 earned runs in the 9th. Entered the game with Twins winning 15-1 and pitched three innings including final out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 06, 2021, 07:20:14 am
Nice SAVE Randy!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 06, 2021, 08:44:54 am
It looks like Trevor May was credited with both a hold and a loss for the Mets last night. He was charged with 3 runs, but 2 of them scored after he left the game. So the Mets were still up 2-1 when he left the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 06, 2021, 03:52:05 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 06, 2021, 04:42:26 pm
Once Adbert throws his first pitch tonight, that will leave Maples and Wolters as the only members of the team who haven't appeared yet.

I wonder if Maples is scheduled to sort of piggyback Alzolay.  Adbert for three, maybe four.  Maples for a couple.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 06, 2021, 05:52:41 pm
I think that’s the way to go, piggyback. Once thru the lineup the hitters are trying to figure, bring in the piggyback and now they have to figure something new. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 06, 2021, 06:42:19 pm
Is this Vogelbach‘s first game at Wrigley?


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 07:38:17 pm
Once Adbert throws his first pitch tonight, that will leave Maples and Wolters as the only members of the team who haven't appeared yet.

I wonder if Maples is scheduled to sort of piggyback Alzolay.  Adbert for three, maybe four.  Maples for a couple.

Either that or Rossy is scared to use him in anything but a blowout.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 07:52:20 pm
Alzolay has pretty good stuff, but his command is just too spotty for him to be effective.  He has games where that's not the case but it happens way too often.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 06, 2021, 08:07:43 pm
1 out triple, K, K

That's Kub.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 06, 2021, 08:39:37 pm
One hit through 6. Wow, this offense is bad so far.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 08:50:30 pm
Pitching better be good, because this offense may not score many runs.

Maples is still nasty.  Can you find the plate?  For one night at least.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 08:56:46 pm
Bote slick.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 06, 2021, 08:56:50 pm
https://youtu.be/Y9myYc8Pn8o
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 06, 2021, 08:58:02 pm
As I pointed out earlier, Cubs only had 17 hits in first four games. Obviously, you’re not going to continue to score enough runs with so few hits.

But, it’s less than a week’s worth of games, so basically means close to nothing as a predictor of anything.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 06, 2021, 09:00:34 pm
Be ant, Bote and Happ are the only Cubs starters with a wRC+ above 100.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 09:02:05 pm
Not a great moment for a RP being told to take an AB against Maples.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 09:06:53 pm
2 BBs, 3 Ks.  Kind of a classic Maples line.  But you can see why the Cubs just can't quit him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 06, 2021, 09:09:46 pm
Check that now only Bryant and Happ have a wRC+ above 100.

Maples never looks good when he is sent out for a second inning. And the second walk to Yelich was pitching around him after the ump missed the first pitch for a strike.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 09:23:53 pm
Our MVP candidate in. He generally looks serviceable every time he pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 09:40:50 pm
Meeting on the mound!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 09:45:50 pm
Our booth raised a very good point.  "Not on purpose" only works for so long.  As Dempster said, if you can't control don't pitch inside, but stop hitting our goddam batters.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 06, 2021, 11:02:44 pm
Seems to me that Dempster adds almost nothing of interest to the broadcast.  Lots of truisms and too much lofty boosterism and not much useful analysis. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 06, 2021, 11:10:10 pm
Whether that's true or not, he was right about this.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 07, 2021, 12:58:08 am
Yeah, but it’s a truism. Heard it a million times.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 07, 2021, 08:50:36 am
 ::)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 07, 2021, 10:20:22 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 07, 2021, 01:25:47 pm
With the exception of opening day, Marquee has ended the long standing tradition of televising the national anthem before each game.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 02:25:24 pm
Cubs hitters look pretty hopeless against Woodruff today. 35 pitches for him through 4 perfect innings with 5 Ks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 07, 2021, 02:29:31 pm
The only way to hide inconsistent hitters in your lineup is to trade him to the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 02:33:00 pm
Luckily, Hendricks is pitching almost as well as Woodruff. He's given up 3 hits in 5 shutout innings. He has only thrown 61 pitches, so he can probably still go at least a couple more.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 02:51:39 pm
Hendricks in a jam in the sixth. First and third with one out. Offense still hitless, so even a lone run here feels big.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 02:54:24 pm
Cubs just caught a break--line drive down the first base line for Shaw that looked like it was just inside the base, but the first base umpire called it foul. On the next pitch, he pops out to Baez.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 02:56:32 pm
Pop up and a K. I love Kyle.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 02:56:48 pm
Hendricks gets out of it.

He threw more than 20 pitches that inning and is due up third, so he's probably done for the day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 02:57:08 pm
Now let’s get him a W.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 03:01:58 pm
Cubs hitters are now 0 for their last 32 according to Boog.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 03:04:57 pm
Another 1-2-3 inning. Woodruff dominant through 6 w only 56 pitches.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 07, 2021, 03:10:38 pm
The 56 pitches scares me.  Plenty left in the tank.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 03:17:10 pm
Happ ends the no hitter to start the 7th. I was really starting to think Woodruff was going to get it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 07, 2021, 03:18:27 pm
2021 batting averages

Pitchers: .154
Cubs: .124
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 03:31:21 pm
Cain homer makes it 1-0. That's probably enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 03:32:34 pm
Cain homers off Mills (who had gotten behind every hitter except Woodruff). Can the Cubs possibly manage 2 runs today?


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 03:47:34 pm
Woodruff out of the game. Unfortunately, Williams is in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 03:50:21 pm
Joc!!!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 03:50:24 pm
JOC!  Tie game!  He crushed that, and he celebrated it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 03:51:00 pm
That was the Cubs' 20th hit of the year, by the way. It took them into the 8th inning of their 6th game to get 20 hits.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 07, 2021, 03:51:03 pm
!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 03:51:15 pm
Pretty good way to go 1 for 16.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 07, 2021, 04:05:37 pm
BTW, Caratini is batting .308 with 7 RBI and a game winning HR.  Just sayin/
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 07, 2021, 04:09:03 pm
Glad we gave him away for free.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 07, 2021, 04:21:14 pm
Bryant takes a called third strike to end the ninth so he will be on second base to start the bottom of the tenth for the Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 04:28:35 pm
Three run homer for Cain.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 07, 2021, 04:29:46 pm
2 hits in 10 innings...

Same Sh1t different year...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 07, 2021, 04:30:09 pm
Three run homer for Cain.
probably cuz he was Able.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 07, 2021, 04:32:29 pm
When you have as many errors and hits it is not good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 04:41:20 pm
Heyward with a 2 out RBI single, 4-2. Contreras will pinch hit for Wolters.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 07, 2021, 04:47:20 pm
That runner on second to start the innings really threw me for a loop.  You’ve got to go into hospital Dog, I said to myself, you can’t follow the game anymore, you are slipping and don’t know how that man got on second.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 07, 2021, 04:49:31 pm
Contreras and Marisnick walk, bases loaded for Happ.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 07, 2021, 04:51:50 pm
Listen to the crowd!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 07, 2021, 04:54:16 pm
Bummer
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 07, 2021, 04:54:51 pm
Teaser rally falls short.
Another L.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 07, 2021, 05:20:39 pm
Good to see Kimbrel dominate the Brewers.  I still have nightmares about our trip to Milwaukee to see the Cubs play the Brewers in July of 2019.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 09:45:10 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 08, 2021, 10:57:13 am
My strategy for getting out of this funk:  if they put the shift on, you bunt.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 08, 2021, 11:26:14 am
Hit home runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: BearHit on April 08, 2021, 12:01:35 pm
Step in front of the pitch
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 12:20:32 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (3-3) at #Pirates (1-5):
HP: Ryan Additon
1B: Will Little
2B: Greg Gibson
3B: Lance Barksdale.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 08, 2021, 12:22:43 pm
Quote
My strategy for getting out of this funk:  if they put the shift on, you bunt.

If I were one of the players they were doing that too I would bunt every time until they stopped doing it.  For the life of me I don't know why players allow the other teams to play that shift on them.  You start getting on every time they do it they will stop doing it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 08, 2021, 12:24:48 pm
Isn't the whole reason they do it is because it works?  If it doesn't work and hurts more than it helps they will stop doing it.  That is how you eliminate the shift.  Force them to play you straight up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 08, 2021, 12:40:24 pm
It isn't always easy against the velocity in todays game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 08, 2021, 12:40:52 pm
Where is Angel Hernandez when you need him?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 12:41:26 pm
Bryant over the centerfield fence!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 08, 2021, 12:52:15 pm
Ty Cobb would have bunted for sure.  For sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 12:52:36 pm
The letters AHN on the mound at PNC Park in Pittsburgh are to honor doctors, nurses, and health care staff from the Allegheny Health Network.  This falls under the 2020 MLB ruling allowing advertising on the field.

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Heading into a year that could see MLB suffer a drastic hit to its revenue, teams have already come up with some creative ways to fill sections of their stadium and generate money. Fortunately, MLB is stepping in with another way to help clubs increase profits.
The league announced Monday that teams will be allowed to use virtual and real advertising on their fields this season. Under the new guidelines, clubs can put ads for various companies across multiple locations.
  • The back of the pitcher’s mound.
  • Advertisements behind home plate.
  • Displays on tarps in the stands and the grass in foul territory along the first-base line.
  • Physical ads can be placed on the on-deck circle.
Wait until you see the Progressive Insurance ad on the mound in Cleveland.  It is huge.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 01:00:12 pm
Bryant's homer was the 100th of his career.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 08, 2021, 01:00:37 pm
Boog said on the broadcast that Cubs tied for fewest hits in first six games of season ALL TIME MLB history.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 08, 2021, 01:27:11 pm
Bryant slash line now at .273-385-682.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 01:29:18 pm
Top of the third

Bryant doubles (five of his six hits have been for extra bases), moves to third on a grounder to the right side.  With two outs, Javy fouls off a bunt attempt and then Ks.

Still 1-0 Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 08, 2021, 01:31:03 pm
Heh, the grounder to the right side would have been an RBI single if not for that damned shift...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 08, 2021, 01:32:05 pm
Is Rizzo still crowding the plate?  What’s his problem, can’t he at least get hit by a pitch?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 01:52:51 pm
Without the shift, Javy would have caught Polanco's soft single that went just over the SS position.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 01:53:52 pm
Now a soft single in front of Heyward so the Pirates have runners on first and third leading off the bottom of the fourth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 01:56:11 pm
Sac fly to the wall in right.  Both runners advance.

1-1
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 08, 2021, 01:59:48 pm
A lot of weak contact resulting in weak hits this inning against Arrieta.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 08, 2021, 02:10:47 pm
Weak hits>strong strike outs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 08, 2021, 02:30:06 pm
Cub uprising so surprising our broadcast team almost missed it
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 08, 2021, 02:53:59 pm
As Boog and JD noted early, Arrieta had trouble with his command in early innings but pitched out of trouble and a very nice 6-inning outing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 08, 2021, 02:57:25 pm
Two out and nobody on is better than two on and nobody out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 08, 2021, 03:07:05 pm
Hit home runs.

>weak hits.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 08, 2021, 03:07:48 pm
As Boog and JD noted early, Arrieta had trouble with his command in early innings but pitched out of trouble and a very nice 6-inning outing.

Things really evened out for him today. It felt like he was getting pretty lucky in the early innings when his command was off. But then he gave up two runs in an inning where he got a lot of weak contact on good pitches and the balls just fell in.

Overall, in his first two starts, he looks a lot better than he ever did with the Phillies the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 08, 2021, 03:08:12 pm
HOLY CRAP JAVY WALKED
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 08, 2021, 03:24:58 pm
Why pull Brothers? Four straight outs and K’d 3.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 08, 2021, 03:25:40 pm
And now Winkler walks two straight...


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 08, 2021, 03:30:00 pm
Make it three.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 08, 2021, 03:37:51 pm
Kimbrel!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 08, 2021, 03:38:50 pm
Kimbrel looks like peak Kimbrel so far this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 08, 2021, 03:53:34 pm
Nice SAVE, Craig!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 08, 2021, 03:55:46 pm
Came in with the bases loaded and one out. Proceeded to strike out the two guys he faced in the 8th and then pitch a 1-2-3 9th w another K. 5 huge outs on 22 pitches.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 08, 2021, 04:24:14 pm
Kimbrel looks like peak Kimbrel so far this year.

Chapman-type return.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 08, 2021, 04:59:18 pm
Came in with the bases loaded and one out. Proceeded to strike out the two guys he faced in the 8th and then pitch a 1-2-3 9th w another K. 5 huge outs on 22 pitches.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 08, 2021, 04:59:29 pm
Why pull Brothers? Four straight outs and K’d 3.


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It's a Cub manager tradition: find the one that sucks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 08, 2021, 05:08:23 pm
https://youtu.be/jBZgrLwfqLs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 08, 2021, 07:45:09 pm
Great to see Kimbrel pitching like his pre-Cub self again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 10, 2021, 02:25:56 pm
64% chance of rain

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 10, 2021, 03:19:45 pm
I’m eager to watch on the MLB play by play Davies again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 10, 2021, 05:01:56 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 10, 2021, 05:07:30 pm
Should have played a day game.  Maybe they can get an official game in before the rain comes.  Once it starts raining, it looks like it won't be stopping for at least a few hours.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 10, 2021, 05:21:29 pm
Might go north, the rain.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 10, 2021, 06:24:33 pm
Pirates lead 7-1 in the bottom of the second.

The rain looks like it is a little less than an hour away.  The Cubs best chance might be to let the Pirates keep scoring and hope the game doesn't become official.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 10, 2021, 06:27:12 pm
The Mercy Rule might kick in before any rain.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 10, 2021, 06:27:28 pm
There’s a mound visit.  Good way to stall for time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 10, 2021, 07:23:14 pm
The fans are getting their ponchos out.

Still 7-1 in the bottom of the fifth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 11, 2021, 12:48:41 am
After Bote’s 1 for 3 and Pederson’s 1 for 4, all of our regulars are hitting above .110! With a whopping two hitting over .210...


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 11, 2021, 07:42:04 am
After Bote’s 1 for 3 and Pederson’s 1 for 4, all of our regulars are hitting above .110! With a whopping two hitting over .210...

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This is by far the best stat:


RISP:

6-57 (.105) with an OPS of .355

That is not a typo.

The second worst in baseball is .509

If you doubled the Cubs' OPS they'd still be below the ML average.


https://www.mlb.com/stats/team?split=risp
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 11, 2021, 08:57:29 am
In their defense, there's no way they could have seen that coming...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 11, 2021, 09:33:44 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 11, 2021, 12:07:47 pm
Okay, here we go, the third, final, and rubber game of the series.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 11, 2021, 01:04:32 pm
What the heck happened there? In top third?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 11, 2021, 01:34:52 pm
Jordan Bastian Retweeted
Meghan Montemurro  @M_Montemurro  5m
Mike Borzello, #Cubs associate pitching, catching and strategy coach, has been ejected from the game.

He got tossed after Bryant was hit by a pitch in the 4th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 11, 2021, 01:37:15 pm
I can feel the acid beginning in my throat, working it’s way into my stomach, the gurgling has begun, then the acid will move into the intestine.  I keep telling myself Dog don’t get your bowels in an uproar over this stuff, you’re too old and you have to remember to eat some fiber now and then.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on April 11, 2021, 02:15:47 pm
It would be best if Bryant and Kimbrel keep producing while the Cubs keep showing they lack the talent to compete. Will make it more likely to get more from the upcoming roster dumps.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 12, 2021, 07:34:05 am
Pittsburgh has three wins.  In last place. All against the Cubs.  Horrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: BearHit on April 12, 2021, 10:46:33 am
Washington Generals?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 12, 2021, 02:07:11 pm
Pittsburgh has three wins.  In last place. All against the Cubs.  Horrible.

I don’t know what’s in store for this club, but keep in mind that more than 94% of the season remains.

Just had a very bad Saturday/Sunday performance. Had Cubs done the opposite and won both games, Cubs would be 6-3 and 5-1 against Bucs.

So, basically you’re talking two games Saturday/Sunday. Lots of games still to play. We’ll see what we have.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 12, 2021, 04:27:04 pm
And I would say we certainly need to win tonight.  I would say it’s imperative that we win tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 12, 2021, 04:28:27 pm
Wrigley North is now also known as American Family Field


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 07:08:23 pm
Pat keeps saying “Well, he got a pitch to hit...” (Javy, Heyward, Bote.)  And yet, we don’t hit.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 07:09:32 pm
In case you wanna know how those three fared: K, pop-up to the pitcher, K


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 12, 2021, 07:22:32 pm
Commercials between plate appearances are flat out irritating.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 07:31:32 pm
“Rizzo got a pitch to hit… Popped it up.”


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 12, 2021, 07:39:17 pm
I'm surprised that these announcers don't mention how anemic hitting begins to pressure the pitching staff.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 12, 2021, 07:43:24 pm
What would be the Cubs stats without Bryant?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 12, 2021, 07:55:36 pm
Bryant and Kimbrel being good and the Cubs still being out of it by June is probably the best thing for the franchise long-term.  They shouldn't be lulled into not liquidating every expiring asset they have because of some false dream of serious contention.  The reckoning is coming one way or another, and the earlier the club starts preparing the better.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 12, 2021, 08:06:41 pm
Alzolay nice game through 5.  6K/0BB/1 hit, 53 pitches total, 37 strikes. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 12, 2021, 08:12:57 pm
Adbert is on.  I’m confused by his head band since his hair is short.  Let’s see if  Bryant can do it again. No, he strikes out. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 08:23:02 pm
And now Adbert in big trouble. Single walk single has loaded the bases with no one out.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 12, 2021, 08:23:20 pm
There aren't many pieces on the big league roster who could be part of the long-term picture, but Alzolay seems to be one of them.  The talent is obviously there, if he can fix his command consistency issues.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 12, 2021, 08:23:57 pm
Jinxed him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 08:25:23 pm
Gets Cain to ground into a force at the plate and now gives way to Chafin. Still loaded, one down.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 08:28:31 pm
(Un)lucky flare double clears the bases. 3-1 Brewers.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 08:34:53 pm
6-1 Brewers now. They’ve batted around.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 12, 2021, 08:35:55 pm
Chafin just needs to allow a HR for the cycle this inning.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 12, 2021, 08:35:57 pm
Can't score, can't win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 12, 2021, 08:53:08 pm
At least they've fixed the RISP issue by not getting a RISP yet.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 12, 2021, 09:15:54 pm
At least they've fixed the RISP issue by not getting a RISP yet.

6 for 64 by the way, with Contreras DP just now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 12, 2021, 09:21:00 pm
6 for 64 by the way, with Contreras DP just now.

Their OPS w/ RISP is now a full 200 points worse than the second worst team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 12, 2021, 09:21:40 pm
Hard to swallow, Ross will be back in the broadcast booth next year, another mediocre baseball broadcaster who managed a mediocre baseball team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 12, 2021, 09:27:23 pm
Steele looked to have good stuff.  A little wild, and of course debut guys are sometimes a little amped and throw a little harder than they might over the long run.  Bu this stuff looked plenty major-league to me. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 12, 2021, 09:33:46 pm
On the other hand, Cubs BABIP entering tonight’s game is .194—which has to have a lot of bad luck there.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 12, 2021, 09:56:14 pm
A lot of bad contact
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 13, 2021, 09:11:05 am
This offense is BAD!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 13, 2021, 09:39:36 am
Historically bad up to now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 13, 2021, 01:43:50 pm
I did not like at all that laugh Biaz let out after his  throw from a routine grounder sailed into the right field seats.  Slugger Rizzo thought it was funny too.  It was not funny.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on April 13, 2021, 02:11:51 pm
The first batter of the game yesterday was Happ.  They played the shift on him as the first batter of the game!  He could have laid down the bunt and been on first base.  The next batter walked.  The Cubs could have had the first two on with no outs in the top of the first.

Instead...

Ground out by Happ right into the shift to kill what could have been.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 13, 2021, 02:14:00 pm
As I said previously, if they aren't hitting, make them bunt when the shift is on.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 13, 2021, 02:48:06 pm
I don't think it's fair to assume that hitters can just bunt for hits any time the shift is on. Bunting isn't easy, and it's getting harder all the time as pitchers get better. I think the success rate would be a lot lower than most people think it would be.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 13, 2021, 03:06:12 pm
Well so we don’t practice bunting because it’s so hard against today’s pitchers.  Don’t hit and run or steal bases because it’s so hard to do against today’s pitchers. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 13, 2021, 03:10:09 pm
**** me up when the announcers were talking Certain Outcomes, a predictive tool two women in Milwaukee  developed for Robb Deer.  3 outcomes.  Strike Out, walk, or home run.  The implication was that pretty much our entire lineup.   They even joked about the defense could stay in the dugout.    Sad.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 13, 2021, 03:10:54 pm
Cr ac ked is fofbotten?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 13, 2021, 03:19:54 pm
I just figured out what is wrong with the Cubs offense.  I have been fast forwarding through their ABs and the hitters probably haven't been able to pick up the pitches.  I'm going to try watching at real time speed tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 13, 2021, 03:45:38 pm
I don't think it's fair to assume that hitters can just bunt for hits any time the shift is on. Bunting isn't easy, and it's getting harder all the time as pitchers get better. I think the success rate would be a lot lower than most people think it would be.

I agree.  Getting on top of a high-spin high-in-zone fastball?  Tough.  Getting a good directional bunt down on a high-movement breaking ball?  Tough.  Bunting is hard, and it's never been harder against modern pitching. 

It's one of the reasons why sac-bunting is of such iffy value.  It would be one thing if you're sacrificing an out for a base.  But most attempts to sacrifice-bunt fail to advance the runner.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 13, 2021, 03:45:55 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 13, 2021, 04:02:02 pm
Craig, but aren’t those same pitches just as hard to hit for singles or extra bases?  I’m with WMLJ, if the shift is on then the batter should be able to execute a bunt single.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 13, 2021, 04:06:34 pm
I just figured out what is wrong with the Cubs offense.  I have been fast forwarding through their ABs and the hitters probably haven't been able to pick up the pitches.  I'm going to try watching at real time speed tonight.
Whew! So glad there’s a solid, reasonable explanation.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 13, 2021, 04:27:01 pm
Craig, but aren’t those same pitches just as hard to hit for singles or extra bases?  I’m with WMLJ, if the shift is on then the batter should be able to execute a bunt single.

Yeah, given that our team batting average is .164, you'd think Happ might be able to have a better than .164 chance of getting a bunt down and beating it out.  I don't disagree there. 
-Rizzo, not so sure? 
-I'm just saying that it's still really hard. 
-It's not like I'd be expecting Happ and Rizzo and Heyward to be able to get bunt singles whenever they wanted, or that they'd bat .500 on bunt-single attempts or anything like that.
-But yeah, you'd think with some practice and intent, they might be able to hit variably north of .200 bunting against the shift.... 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 13, 2021, 04:29:25 pm
It would be one thing if teams played a shift, and then worked the batter with nothing but pitches on the inner half to coax them into hitting into the shift.

But no...these pitchers are working the batters away more than ever, and the dumbass batters continue to roll over on pitches away and ground them right into the shift...instead of taking what the pitcher and the defense are giving them on a silver f’ing platter.

And it’s painful to watch...

If defenses dared to shift on a Gwynn or a Boggs, they would hit .450...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2021, 04:49:08 pm
Happ was an expected wOBA of .351 based off of the quality of his contact.  Kris Bryant has a wOBA of .368 this year.  Don't bunt Ian, keep mashing the ball and they will fall.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 13, 2021, 05:05:47 pm
It would be one thing if teams played a shift, and then worked the batter with nothing but pitches on the inner half to coax them into hitting into the shift.

But no...these pitchers are working the batters away more than ever, and the dumbass batters continue to roll over on pitches away and ground them right into the shift...instead of taking what the pitcher and the defense are giving them on a silver f’ing platter.

And it’s painful to watch...

If defenses dared to shift on a Gwynn or a Boggs, they would hit .450...

Nailed it. There is no way the bunt is not effective with the shift. if nothing. just to keep them semi honest. Esp when considering the extreme shifts some teams like the Ray's, cheatros' and dodgers' use.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 13, 2021, 05:11:19 pm
RHP Brandon Woodruff draws the home start for the Brewers. Over 15 starts the last two seasons, Woodruff is 3-5 with a 2.98 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 11.1 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 over 84 2/3 IP. He pitched 7 scoreless frames against Chicago Wednesday, and current Cubs batters own a strikeout-laden .515 OPS against him.

Cubs with more than 10 ABs vs Woodruff
Bryant 2-16    8 Ks
Rizzo    2-15   3 Ks
Heyward  2-14  4 Ks
Baez  1-12   5Ks
Happ  3-11  3 Ks   1 HR
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 13, 2021, 05:28:57 pm
Rizzo has bunted for hits against the shift several times and I don’t remember a single instance where it didn’t work.  Is he that great a bunter?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2021, 06:16:46 pm
Hendrix scratched. Mills starting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 13, 2021, 06:23:31 pm
Hendrix scratched. Mills starting.

Hendrix btw is DMX's brother from another mother.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 13, 2021, 06:34:23 pm
Hendricks not feeling well.  Scratched due to an abundance of caution.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 13, 2021, 06:53:12 pm
**** me up when the announcers were talking Certain Outcomes, a predictive tool two women in Milwaukee  developed for Robb Deer.  3 outcomes.  Strike Out, walk, or home run.  The implication was that pretty much our entire lineup.   They even joked about the defense could stay in the dugout.    Sad.

I heard that too and I really hate the name "Three True Outcomes" and how people are using it all the time now.  Those bloggers were being facetious and mocking when they made it; if there's going to be an official name for these kinds of plate appearances, it should be something negative-sounding and shouldn't have a word like "true" in it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 13, 2021, 06:53:15 pm
Hendricks not feeling well.  Scratched due to an abundance of caution.

You not acknowledging my dad joke... just cut me deeeeeep.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2021, 06:55:39 pm
Looks like a win tweaked something on that groundout.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 13, 2021, 07:03:21 pm
Looks like a win tweaked something on that groundout.

Trying to parse that sentence without having the game on is a fascinating exercise.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2021, 07:06:50 pm
My iPhone is really autocorrecting they hell out of me today.

a win= Cain
Hendrix= Hendricks
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2021, 07:14:22 pm
And the Brewers are up 2-0. Mills throwing his fastball down the middle is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 13, 2021, 07:16:03 pm
The current Cubs vs. Woodruff and Burnes over the next two days probably isn't going to go well.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 13, 2021, 07:20:13 pm
Sogard sucks at baseball as much as his wife sucks at being a person.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 13, 2021, 07:24:13 pm
A Rizzo walk is the Cubs sole offense going into the bottom of the third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 13, 2021, 07:36:26 pm
And the Brewers are up 2-0. Mills throwing his fastball down the middle is a bad idea.
. Unless you're pitching against the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 13, 2021, 09:00:23 pm
Strop makes his return to the mound for the Cubs, likely with a lot of adrenaline pumping. One hit, one walk, one K. No runs. Welcome back, Pedro.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 13, 2021, 09:15:40 pm
Two run homer for Contreras.  Cuts ahead 3 - 2 going into the last of the 8th
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 13, 2021, 09:24:48 pm
Chafin walks one and hits one after getting the first two out. Rossy going to Kimbrel for a four-out save.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 13, 2021, 09:29:17 pm
One pitch, one out. 3-2 Cubs going to the 9th.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 13, 2021, 09:50:23 pm
Kimbrel gets the last three outs and the Cubs win.  Really feels like we stole this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 13, 2021, 09:50:42 pm
W.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 13, 2021, 11:56:03 pm
Willson had one of the all-time great home run trots tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 14, 2021, 12:08:45 am
Kimbrel gets the last three outs and the Cubs win.  Really feels like we stole this game.

Aside from the Urias homer early, Cubs really shut down Brewers offense. They never got a runner to 3B or a runner in scoring position with less than two outs. Cubs bullpen allowed one hit in five innings.

Cubs deserved to win this game. It doesn’t really matter that Brewers had the SP advantage. The way the game played out, Cubs did more than the other guy. Not a game where the loser gets bunch more baserunners but doesn’t cash in or freak stuff happens—-those are the games that feel like stole the game. Not this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 14, 2021, 05:01:22 am
They certainly deserved to win it, but early on it looked like this year's typical lifeless Cubs offense, and when Kimbrel walked that guy in the ninth I was having flashbacks to his 2019.  Hopefully Kimbrel is back to his old self this year and the hitters can step up a little from here on.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2021, 07:15:46 am
For those who didn’t see Willson’s HR, it was pretty spectacular.

I think it was 438 or so, to LCF...exit velocity in the 105-110 range...one of those where you say “Wow!” on contact...

And, like br said...the trot was epic...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 14, 2021, 08:38:15 am
For those who didn’t see Willson’s HR, it was pretty spectacular.

I think it was 438 or so, to LCF...exit velocity in the 105-110 range...one of those where you say “Wow!” on contact...

And, like br said...the trot was epic...

https://youtu.be/i7ftGexhazE
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2021, 09:06:53 am
I'd bet he barely felt the contact.

Pure...

No better feeling than hitting one just right...

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 14, 2021, 10:16:06 am
The Cubs lineup is usually available three to four hours before game time.  It's now down to 2½ hours to go and no word.  Waiting for Covid testing results?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 14, 2021, 11:04:56 am
The MLB Network is showing the Cards/Nationals and the Cubs/Brewers.  Check your local listings.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2021, 12:34:01 pm
Over/under on Cubs hits today: 3.5

Hits + walks: 4.5
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 14, 2021, 12:36:39 pm
We need to win this game, it feels pivotal.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 14, 2021, 12:51:38 pm
under
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2021, 01:06:58 pm
If Laz Diaz is going to give Burnes that pitch he just rang Javy up on, the Cubs might as well pack up and go back to the hotel...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 14, 2021, 01:25:17 pm
LOL, strike 3 to Arrieta was even worse!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 14, 2021, 02:55:45 pm
Shelby Miller's first appearance: bloop single, bloop single, walk, walk, walk
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 14, 2021, 03:41:49 pm
Over/under on Cubs hits today: 3.5

Hits + walks: 4.5
Just got the over on hits! (In the 9th.)
Still under on hits + walks


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 14, 2021, 08:41:51 pm
The Bulls are awful.  Billy Donovan does not appear to be the answer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 14, 2021, 08:56:46 pm
@JesseRogersESPN

FROM ELIAS: Corbin Burnes is the first starting pitcher to amass 30 strikeouts through 3 appearances , without allowing a walk in the Modern Era (since 1900).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 09:28:27 am
Jesse Rogers  @JesseRogersESPN  8m
Drew Smyly going on the IL for the Braves. Scratched today v the Cubs. Kyle Wright starts in his place.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 09:39:20 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 10:30:02 am
Same crew as for the Brewers series?

Umpire Crew  @UmpCrew  44m
Umpires for #Braves (5-8) at #Cubs (5-7):
Nick Mahrley, Jeff Nelson, Mike Estabrook, Laz Diaz (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 11:48:11 am
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heh, green and gold fooled me.  I saw the A and thought Athletics.  I was surprised.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 01:35:55 pm
Happ singles off the partially green ivy in left and Contreras is hit by a pitch.  A chance for the Cubs to get off to a good start.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 01:36:34 pm
Rizzo moves the runners to second and third for Bryant.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 01:40:27 pm
Bryant Ks and Pederson hits a can of corn to center to end the threat.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 16, 2021, 01:53:04 pm
Bryant Kd on 3 pitches...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 01:57:25 pm
Baez HBP.

Can we count that as a walk?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 01:59:10 pm
Sogard with a Sac Fly.

Now get vaccinated, fella.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 02:07:51 pm
Funny how some guys didn't hesitate to get a needle for PEDs, but shy from the vaccine.

Contreras took the first two pitches for strikes that were screaming "hit me!"
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 02:16:29 pm
Davies not getting much from this ump.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 16, 2021, 02:33:05 pm
Can of corn, I’d forgotten that one.  Bennett for announcer!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 02:41:47 pm
Pederson sure has trouble transferring ball from glove to throwing hand. Second such bobble of this game but Inciarte comes up lame and can’t score anyway.

If looking for a difference compared to Schwarber in LF, Schwarber was great at that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 16, 2021, 02:44:05 pm
Davies unlucky on the Acuna 2RBI single...pitch was 6 inches off the outside black.

Acuna just reached out and lined it into RF, instead of trying to pull it and dribbling a grounder to SS.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 16, 2021, 02:45:23 pm
Easier to do with a 87 mph fastball than a 97 mph fastball
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 16, 2021, 02:48:41 pm
Acuna is really good. I think he's in the process of passing Trout as the best player in baseball.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 03:03:55 pm
So, HBP is our offensive game plan?  Not sure that will work.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 16, 2021, 03:43:28 pm
Cubs now 7-81 w/ RISP this season after 0-6 so far today.

That's .086 with 32 strikeouts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 16, 2021, 04:27:37 pm
I still just can't figure out why Willson Contreras isn't the top priority to re-sign. I feel more comfortable with locking in his future than I do with Rizzo, Bryant, or Baez, especially since they'll likely be able to rest his legs a lot more with the DH likely being permanent next year.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 04:30:19 pm
Schwarber>Pederson.   Not that either is very great.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 16, 2021, 04:31:58 pm
Two on and Bryant GIDP.

 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 04:34:11 pm
Braves longest batted ball today is 272 feet, thru 7 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 04:36:56 pm
Oh, sure.  Now he makes a nice play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 04:40:02 pm
That’s an out 55% of the time, says Statcast.

326 feet by Freeman.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 16, 2021, 04:42:12 pm
Joe Sheehan @joe_sheehan
I guess the best way to frame it is this:

The #Cubs started the year 6-for-57 with runners in scoring position...and then they went into a slump.

1 for their last 25.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 04:49:03 pm
76 degrees launch angle for Javy on that bunt.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on April 16, 2021, 04:49:38 pm
Looks like its gonna be a looooooooooonnnnnnnggggggggg year.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 16, 2021, 04:55:49 pm
Sogard, before his last strikeout, had a wRC+ -9. He brings so much to the team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 05:02:43 pm
Now, 4 HBP in this game—-all very polite.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 16, 2021, 05:04:00 pm
The first base umpire has missed two pretty easy calls in the last couple of innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2021, 05:14:27 pm
Cubs will all be wearing #0 for Saturday’s game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 16, 2021, 05:28:32 pm
I’m starting to think the Dodgers had a reason for not letting Joc hit against lefties.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 16, 2021, 05:30:05 pm
Pederson struck out with the bases loaded in the bottom ninth to end the game — 5 - 2 Braves.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 16, 2021, 05:34:52 pm
Boog says the Cubs just couldn't get it going this game with only 2 runs on 6 hits.   I guess I missed the game that they got it going in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 16, 2021, 05:57:06 pm
On the off chance anyone is interested

https://youtu.be/pubLonMRAXM
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 16, 2021, 06:42:02 pm
Sell, sell, sell.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 17, 2021, 09:41:44 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzLsxFbUYAMR8LN?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 17, 2021, 01:34:53 pm
Contreras goes yard again.  1-0 Cubs in the bottom of the first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 17, 2021, 01:42:55 pm
All Cubs hits have come off the 86mph slider.  Nothing doing so far with the 98mph four seamer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 17, 2021, 02:08:44 pm
Bote hits Cubs first gaper to left-center of the season.

So it seems.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 17, 2021, 02:17:50 pm
Can we sign him already?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 17, 2021, 02:19:08 pm
Trevor Williams with 45 pitches through three innings, no harm done so far, Cubs up bottom three leading 2 - O.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 17, 2021, 02:19:14 pm
111 off the bat...416 to straight center like a cannonball
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 17, 2021, 02:20:17 pm
Trade Contreras while he's hot.  Maybe we can a lefty started like that Quintana guy out in LA.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 17, 2021, 02:25:30 pm
Cubs piling on the offense.

Is that legal?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 17, 2021, 03:10:11 pm
Commissioner has just ruled that Cubs can carry over three runs from today toward Sunday’s game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 17, 2021, 03:13:11 pm
Cubs need to get Bote near-everyday playing time even once Hoerner is up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 17, 2021, 03:51:25 pm
Miller in—trying to get off the Infinity schneid.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 17, 2021, 03:54:26 pm
There we go. 

135.00 ERA.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 17, 2021, 03:55:11 pm
That’s good news Reb.  We lead 3 - 0 right away tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 17, 2021, 04:02:28 pm
I've been pulling for Miller, but I don't think he's going to make it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 17, 2021, 04:02:48 pm
ESPN is probably happy that it appears the Cubs will be competitive Sunday night.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 17, 2021, 05:22:51 pm
https://youtu.be/RdvQCdtsJK8
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 01:15:10 pm
Who is in the broadcast booth tonight for the ESPN team?  Not Jess, I hope.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 18, 2021, 02:03:56 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzRzAvBVIAQrjwB?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 18, 2021, 05:11:31 pm
Cards, Brewers, Reds all lose today.

Cubs with an opportunity tonight to gain ground in the division.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 18, 2021, 05:45:42 pm
Who is in the broadcast booth tonight for the ESPN team?  Not Jess, I hope.

Likely the abortion of a human known as Alex Rodriquez.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 pm
Going great for Hendricks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 06:18:15 pm
I thought Reb said we get a three run head start via the commissioner, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 06:23:58 pm
Hendricks lights out.  Our ace.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 18, 2021, 06:29:00 pm
Why is there not a 2022 draft thread yet?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 18, 2021, 06:29:02 pm
ESPN is the worst.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 06:33:42 pm
Double play after a runner gets on first.  Can’t have that.  Rizzo hits a homer with nobody on.  6 - 1, 2 outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 07:17:23 pm
Baez strikes out to end the third.  6 - 3
Braves
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 07:23:32 pm
Method, you are right about Alex Rodrigues as announcer -  he’s terrible, worse than a girl.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on April 18, 2021, 07:39:48 pm
Method, you are right about Alex Rodrigues as announcer -  he’s terrible, worse than a girl.

ACtually ESPN has a couple of girls' that announce WAY better then he does.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 18, 2021, 07:51:19 pm
I thought it was funny when ARod was talking about his routines and checking the flags earlier like he played at Wrigley regularly. He played 6 games there in his career according to Baseball Reference. He doesn't have anything especially interesting to add, he's just regurgitating what he's heard other announcers say.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 18, 2021, 08:12:51 pm
Dansby Swanson takes an inside pitch that hits his bat, but somehow the umpires are calling it a HBP.  Are they punishing Tepera?  It clearly hit the bat but Swanson is jumping around like he got hit on his body somewhere.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 18, 2021, 08:18:57 pm
Now a grand slam for Heredia; 13-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 18, 2021, 08:22:37 pm
First career grand slam for Heredia.  13 - 3 Atlanta, bottom of the sixth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 18, 2021, 08:34:11 pm
Cubs get two baserunners and then strike out three times in a row.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 18, 2021, 10:14:49 pm
Braves finish up easily.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 19, 2021, 12:34:46 am
According to Stats, Inc, Braves had a 95% probability of winning the game tonight before Cubs even came up in the first inning.

Commissioner is looking into that because it seems like an unfair advantage for the road team.

They may tinker with that in the Atlantic League this season.


Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 19, 2021, 12:39:18 pm
Glad to hear the commissioner is on his toes. . . .  These off days are true blessings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 19, 2021, 12:52:32 pm
According to Stats, Inc, Braves had a 95% probability of winning the game tonight before Cubs even came up in the first inning.

Commissioner is looking into that because it seems like an unfair advantage for the road team.

They may tinker with that in the Atlantic League this season.



I think they had a 95% chance of winning when the schedule was announced.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 20, 2021, 02:35:59 pm


38° feels like 32°
40% chance of light rain

ESPN 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzcNIZPXoAIUfLk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 20, 2021, 05:27:08 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  6m
David Bote has been scratched from the starting lineup with an upset stomach.

New #Cubs lineup:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezcz7l_WYAABkf9?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 20, 2021, 05:35:21 pm
Of all MLB hitters with at least 27 PA's, Sogard is the 7th worst hitter in MLB this year. He brings nothing to this team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 20, 2021, 05:41:57 pm
Of all MLB hitters with at least 27 PA's, Sogard is the 7th worst hitter in MLB this year. He brings nothing to this team.
Nonsense.  He's the poster child for Anti-Vaxers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 20, 2021, 06:43:17 pm
Umpires for #Mets (7-4) at #Cubs (6-9):
HP: John Libka
1B: Bruce Dreckman
2B: Nic Lentz
3B: Joe West.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 20, 2021, 06:49:10 pm
David Bote is giving me indigestion
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 20, 2021, 07:07:38 pm
Gordon Wittenmyer  @GDubCub  14m
Reports from NY: Jacob deGrom ducking Cubs.

Mets push Thursday's scheduled start back a day to line him up for opener of series against division-rival Nationals.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 07:39:28 pm
With two outs, Contreras hits a grounder to third and Sogard alertly comes in to score from second when the Mets' first baseman can't pick up the throw; Cubs lead, 1-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:07:20 pm
Some nifty handwork from Heyward to steal second base; he gets his other hand onto the bag just as the first hand comes off, and the umpire makes a good call which stands up to the Mets' review request.

Then Sogard follows with a single up the middle, the Cubs' first hit of the game, and Heyward comes in to score; 2-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:17:56 pm
Walker living up to his name as he issues free passes to Arrieta and Happ to load the bases.

And now he just barely misses with two pitches to Contreras who takes them for another walk, bringing in a run; 3-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 20, 2021, 08:21:13 pm
That was an umpire who just wanted some attention. Walker was yelling at him while he was walking off the field after being removed. The umpire could have just ignored him and no one would've noticed...but instead he yelled back and then immediately threw Walker out of the game he'd already left. There was no reason for the umpire to engage there except that he wanted to be noticed.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:22:40 pm
Rojas comes out to take Taijuan Walker out of the game, and he has some words for plate umpire Lipka (?) who tosses him.  Hit the road, Jack!

Robert Gsellman is coming in; he has a normal-looking jersey number (44) this year.  Until now he had picked digits that looked like the very unusual first two letters in his last name.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:24:10 pm
Bags still full and Rizzo strikes out on a changeup. Gsellman is dancing his way back to the dugout.  Hope we don't regret not picking up more runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:27:55 pm
J. D. Davis hits a homer, and the Mets are right back in it; 3-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:39:18 pm
With runners on first and third, Arrieta induces a grounder right to the shifted second baseman who tosses to first for the out; still 3-1 going to the bottom of the fifth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:45:51 pm
Bryant legs out an infield hit as Alonso is pulled off the bag.  It looked like Bryant never stepped on the bag, but did Alonso actually step on it before throwing the ball back to the mound?  The Mets are griping but don't have a challenge left.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:47:30 pm
They're calling the Bryant play an error on the third baseman; it looks from the replay like Alonso did get his foot back to the base for an instant before Bryant could get back, so he should have been out.

Pederson strikes out for the first out and Baez is up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:49:46 pm
Javy chases a low outside pitch and strikes out again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 20, 2021, 08:53:40 pm
Javy looks at least as bad as he did when he was a rookie right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 20, 2021, 08:53:41 pm
20 Ks in 50 ABs for Pederson.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 08:55:08 pm
Rex Brothers is in to pitch; Jake's day is done after 5 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 20, 2021, 08:59:37 pm
Umpire wants to be seen again, ejects some Met who was yelling at him from the bench.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 09:01:02 pm
He's been pretty good with the calls; this latest one appeared to just nick the bottom of the strike zone and was called a strike; the others were just outside the strike zone and were correctly called balls.

I do wish that he, and other umpires, would not be so quick to toss people who disagree with him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 09:03:43 pm
Brothers gets through the inning; headed for the bottom of the sixth.  The Cubs only have two hits in this game, to the Mets' three.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 20, 2021, 09:04:30 pm
Yeah, he hasn't been bad with his calls. But neither ejection needed to happen. It just looked like an umpire who is seeking attention.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 09:07:58 pm
Alonso gets pulled off the bag again and Sogard is safe with an infield hit.

Duffy up to pinch hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 09:12:22 pm
Duffy hits a perfectly-placed double-play grounder to McNeil and this time both Mets keep their feet on the bases and get the two outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 20, 2021, 09:13:08 pm
Yeah, he hasn't been bad with his calls. But neither ejection needed to happen. It just looked like an umpire who is seeking attention.
. Angel is doing the game?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 20, 2021, 09:31:26 pm
. Angel is doing the game?

No. He also just wants attention, but his ball/strike calls are terrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 20, 2021, 09:56:10 pm
Of all MLB hitters with at least 27 PA's, Sogard is the 7th worst hitter in MLB this year. He brings nothing to this team.
. Tico needs to badmouth more of our guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 10:14:16 pm
Kimbrel in some trouble in the ninth.

Brandon Nimmo up, bases loaded.  And Kimbrel gets him swinging.  Two outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 20, 2021, 10:15:25 pm
Grounder to first; Rizzo takes it himself, and the Cubs win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 20, 2021, 10:37:03 pm
Hopefully giving up a hit doesn't hurt Kimbrel's trade value too much.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 20, 2021, 11:02:31 pm
https://youtu.be/2NO9R9REL-Q
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 21, 2021, 02:52:42 pm
38°  chance of light rain


Heyward and Pederson get a break

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzhadMkXoAMnknc?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 21, 2021, 02:59:35 pm
. Tico needs to badmouth more of our guys.

Pederson is a hopeless hack (literally), and we would have been better off keeping Schwarber.

Javy has fully regressed to Rookie Baez, and cost himself literally 9 figures by not agreeing to the extension the Cubs offered, which looks like a bullet dodged at this point. Thanks for that helpful trick, Mr. Mago.

Sogard's principle value to the team might be infecting others with COVID so that Hoyer has no prayer of pretending to contend this year, but is instead forced to trade Kimbrel and Bryant at the deadline.

Unfortunatley, given what Hoyer got in return for Darvish, those trades are unlikely to improve the team's future.

</JeffH mode>
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 21, 2021, 03:53:03 pm
38°  chance of light rain


Heyward and Pederson get a break


Heyward's .550 OPS is somehow better than Pederson's and Happ's.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 21, 2021, 03:56:37 pm
Irrelevant fun fact of the day:

Contreras, Happ, and Pederson have a combined 158 at-bats without a double.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 21, 2021, 03:58:36 pm
Damn, Baez has 1 walk and 30 K's in 60 at-bats?

Yeesh.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on April 21, 2021, 04:41:31 pm
Excellent work, my brother!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 21, 2021, 04:56:42 pm
Learned from the best!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 07:47:41 pm
Mets have a 2-0 lead; Cubs don't have a hit yet.

It is frustrating watching our hitters strike out over and over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 07:51:56 pm
Contreras hustles down the line and has an infield hit to shortstop.

Now Bryant is in an 0-2 hole against Peterson.  But he works the count to full, and singles to center; Cubs have two men on with one out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 07:56:55 pm
Rizzo gets squeezed on an inside pitch that is called a strike, but then hits a soft liner to left that falls in for a hit.  Contreras barely hesitated, though the ball could have been caught, and comes in to score to trim the lead to 2-1.  Very alert baserunning for Willson.

Now Baez hits a potential double-play grounder to third, and Davis bobbles it and the Mets get nobody.  Bases loaded with one out for Matt Duffy, who hit into a double play last time up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:03:20 pm
Duffy walks to force in a run; tie game.

Gsellman is warming up in the bullpen to possibly rescue the Mets in the 4th inning again like he did yesterday.

Bote is quickly in an 0-2 hole.  And he hits a bloop over second base; McNeil tries to deke the runners and put his glove up as if he's going to catch it, but none of them are fooled and they all motor around the bases with Baez sprinting in to score just a few feet behind Rizzo.  4-2, second and third; Mets are making a pitching change.

Nice to see the Cubs playing some entertaining ball with baserunners all over the place for a change.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 08:04:09 pm
Great baserunning by Cubs.

Baez now scoring on the loope to right and Contreras before that on the looper to left.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:06:29 pm
Marisnick bats against Gsellman with runners on second and third.

Sogard is in the on-deck circle so Davies' day might be done.

A grounder to third and Duffy comes in to score as the play is at first.  5-2 on yet more alert baserunning.

With two outs Sogard is in to hit so Davies' day is done after just 4 innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 08:08:47 pm
No extra base hits and Cubs score six runs in the 4th. Very un-Cub like.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:13:27 pm
The move pays off as Sogard lines a hit over the shortstop; Cubs have dialed 6 this inning and now lead 6-2.

Happ is up; he led off the inning with a strikeout.  A wild pitch moves Sogard to second, and Happ grounds one to Lindor, who bobbles it and then throws it ten feet over the first baseman's head!  Sogard comes in to score but Happ is trapped between first and second, and Alonso gets back to first to handle the throw in time to get Happ and end a circus of an inning for the Mets.  Cubs lead, 7-2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 21, 2021, 08:14:52 pm
How in the hell are the Mets 7-5?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:16:53 pm
The scorer is being generous to both sides: Happ's grounder is being scored as an infield hit, but the run scores on Lindor's throwing error so he only gets one error and not two.  The run is unearned twice over as the Mets should have been out of the inning long before.  Three errors in total for them.

Rex Brothers is in to pitch; he'll be in line for the win if he can pitch effectively.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:18:37 pm
Lindor leads off with a hit and Alonso hits a titanic home run to cut the lead to 7-4.  That's a quick way to get back in the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:27:11 pm
Brothers recovers to get two quick outs but then walks a man and now Ross is bringing Workman in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:29:25 pm
Workman hooks a curveball down the middle to get Pillar looking; Cubs are out of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:33:02 pm
Contreras puts a seeing-eye hit up the middle, and the Mets infielders can't decide who should get it, and it rolls into center field and Willson the hustler gets all the way to second; this will probably go as a double.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:47:02 pm
McCann sticks his glove right into Javy's swing and the interference puts Baez on first.  I hadn't known that that went in the books as an error; that's the fourth error of the day for the Mets.

And now Duffy hits a liner off Gsellman's leg and it bounces into right field.  Cubs lead 9-4 and the Mets are changing pitchers again.

Remember that 2017 playoff game against the Nationals when Wieters interfered with a swing, I think on Jon Jay?  One or two batters earlier Baez had struck out and the follow-through on his swing clipped Wieters' glove; it was a wild pitch or passed ball and Javy got to first, and people were claiming that he should be out, but two batters later it became clear that the catcher was positioning himself too far forward.

New pitcher Hildenberger is accompanied by Albert Almora who will be in the outfield and hitting in the pitcher's spot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 08:49:37 pm
Cubs have 10 runs on 9 total bases.

That is hard to do.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 08:50:36 pm
A grounder to third, and Davis hesitates a moment to make sure he can catch it and get the out at second; Baez comes in to score and it's 10-4.

Now Marisnick flies out to end the inning.

Imagine if we were the Mets in this game.  We'd be despondent about our sloppy play and wondering how we could be over .500 playing like this.  Very happy to see the Cubs with the alertness, particularly on the bases.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:07:00 pm
Mets have given up 14 unearned runs this season.

This is their 13th game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:12:24 pm
Cubs with three walks in the 6th.

Baez up. Can he walk too?

Are you kidding?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:13:11 pm
Baez does not walk.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 21, 2021, 09:14:27 pm
No.  But he kept it to a slow trot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:16:36 pm
Four runs on one hit here.

After 10 runs on 9 singles earlier.

Cubs are simply a Runs Scoring Efficiency Machine.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 09:16:45 pm
14-4; the Cubs came into this game last in the league in run differential at -21, and that should change when this game is over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on April 21, 2021, 09:16:49 pm
Duffy is 100x the hitter Sogard is.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:18:55 pm
Dom Smith in LF decides to let a can of corn fall in for a Cubs hit.

Gary Cohen on Mets broadcast said Mets playing like they want to be in a warm room.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:22:26 pm
Cubs have scored 20% of this season’s total Cubs runs in the last three innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 09:24:38 pm
I wonder if the Mets will let a position player pitch today.  Earlier the Mets announcers were talking about the time Doug Dascenzo came in to pitch the ninth inning of a blowout; I remember that game. It was fun to watch because it was so rare back then.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 09:29:30 pm
Spiffy 4-6-3 double play to end a four-pitch inning for Mills.  They should let him bat again and stay in the game.  He could get a save if he finishes it, though he's probably more deserving of the win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:31:45 pm
Yeah, Mills is likely to get the win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:33:22 pm
Can a hitter stand farther away from the plate than Mills just did in that AB?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 09:49:54 pm
Luis Guillorme is in to pitch for the Mets, and walks Rizzo to start the inning.

And Baez is batting lefty.  Supposedly he was born left-handed but taught himself to throw righty so that he could play the forbidden infield positions.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 09:55:11 pm
Cubs get a series of hits and plate two more, then Guillorme gets the last two outs, aided by Mills flying out in his third at-bat of the game as a relief pitcher.

On to the ninth with a 16-4 lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:56:20 pm
And Baez hits a 329 ft. flyball out.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 21, 2021, 09:57:25 pm
Happ hit righty against the position player pitching...who was RH...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:57:40 pm
Shelby Miller agrees to enter the game in a washup role.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 09:58:57 pm
Shelby Miller is pitching with a fine opportunity to get his ERA below the 63.00 that it stands at now.

Not a save situation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 09:59:16 pm
Almora singles in the 9th.

Look for him to tag up on a long fly to RF.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 10:02:37 pm
Ump squeezing Miller with two outs in the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 21, 2021, 10:10:27 pm
Miller with a quick 25 pitch inning to protect the 12-run lead.

Mets are still in first place in the tough NL East.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 21, 2021, 10:10:34 pm
A pop foul to Rizzo from Alonso, and the Cubs win the game.  Miller's ERA gets cut in half to a mere 31.50.

Mets announcers mention that the Mets are 15-39 at Wrigley Field since 2003.  Wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 21, 2021, 10:51:43 pm
I wonder if the Mets will let a position player pitch today.  Earlier the Mets announcers were talking about the time Doug Dascenzo came in to pitch the ninth inning of a blowout; I remember that game. It was fun to watch because it was so rare back then.
Dascenzo had a 0.00 ERA in four career appearances.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 21, 2021, 10:53:21 pm
Cubs had 8 hits w/ RISP, more than tripling their season total, I think.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 21, 2021, 10:54:04 pm
https://youtu.be/vlQb89haZQ4
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 21, 2021, 11:02:50 pm
Boog and JD's call of Baez' grand slam

https://youtu.be/rnEpVKuwzLg
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 12:00:50 am
This is baseball. On the second pitch of the Baez AB, Hildenberger threw a terrific slider. On the third pitch, he threw a horrific slider.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 22, 2021, 12:06:12 am
Jeremy Frank
@MLBRandomStats
·
2h
Javier Baez:
45.6% K rate
1.5% BB rate
50.4% contact rate
40.9% chase rate

MLB pitchers hitting:
47.3% K rate
3.0% BB rate
64.4% contact rate
31.9% chase rate

Baez currently has a .730 OPS, 29 pts better than the MLB average despite having plate discipline worse than a pitcher
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: VJ on April 22, 2021, 07:25:34 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezi4PzsXMAUccMf?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 22, 2021, 07:34:02 am
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team

Breakout set of games has the Cubs batting average over .200 (.201), and OBP up over .300 (.301).  They are now up to 19th in slugging, 23rd in OPS, 22nd OBP. 
Interesting that the low-budget Yankees are bottom in slugging, OPS, and above only the Cubs in BA. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 22, 2021, 02:40:00 pm
A win puts the Cubs back at .500

Heyward and Pederson both off again.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezmhi1QXMAkDT2B?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 02:51:15 pm
Yeah, let’s bring back same lineup that scored 16 runs yesterday against the other lefty.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 04:20:34 pm
Mets are one of only four NL teams over .500.

A Cubs win tonight would mean only three NL teams are over .500, pending Padres (10-10) game against Dodgers tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on April 22, 2021, 06:26:04 pm
Mets are one of only four NL teams over .500.

A Cubs win tonight would mean only three NL teams are over .500, pending Padres (10-10) game against Dodgers tonight.

Wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 22, 2021, 06:47:56 pm
Boog is having a bad night.  He said the bloop single dropped in front of Happ in right.  It was Bryant.  Then he had the third out as a grounder to Bote at short.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 22, 2021, 06:49:37 pm
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team

Breakout set of games has the Cubs batting average over .200 (.201), and OBP up over .300 (.301).  They are now up to 19th in slugging, 23rd in OPS, 22nd OBP. 
Interesting that the low-budget Yankees are bottom in slugging, OPS, and above only the Cubs in BA. 

I'm only looking at the National League (why do the media seem to always want to compare stats across all 30 teams in both leagues combined these days?), and noticing that the Cubs have the fewest hits, the lowest batting average, and the highest ratio of strikeouts to hits in the league.  Only the Nationals have more hits than strikeouts (at 131-128).

We are fourth in stolen bases (with 11), and there are three teams behind us in OBP, so that's something.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 08:50:02 pm
Cubs 3 up 3 down in very inning thru 6, except for 3-run, 2-hit third inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 22, 2021, 09:32:30 pm
Marisnick with a lead off triple in the 8th.

Will they waste it?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 22, 2021, 09:44:11 pm
yup
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 22, 2021, 10:00:59 pm
Bryant leads off with a single in the 9th and then gets caught stealing after Rizzo and Baez whiff.

Hopefully Matt Duffy can get us going in the 10th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 22, 2021, 10:01:58 pm
They're not letting Kimbrel go a second inning; Winkler is coming in.  And he promptly wild-pitches the ghost runner to third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 22, 2021, 10:20:44 pm
I was gone for a bit, why wasn't kb put on 2nd?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 22, 2021, 10:21:54 pm
IBB to Sogard might be the stupidest managerial move ever.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 22, 2021, 10:22:22 pm
Cubs win!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 22, 2021, 10:22:32 pm
SWEEP!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 22, 2021, 10:23:03 pm
Heyward with a game ending single.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 10:58:30 pm
IBB to Sogard might be the stupidest managerial move ever.

Think only downside of walking Sogard there is chance of a walk or HBP forcing in winning run.

Otherwise, the key is setting up a force at home instead of a tag out—-which typically is at least five feet of baserunning distance—-or more. And, this is Baez running who has the moves. Maybe the last guy in the NL you want to have to tag at home as the winning run.

And, then there’s setting up chance of a double play too of course, which gets you out of the inning.

Further, Sogard is harder to K than Heyward. If Sogard hits a grounder, you have a tag play of Baez at home—not a force.

Finally, if you can get past Heyward, Happ is up and Happ has been lost at the plate for some time. Mets probably not too worried about Happ getting a hit off 99 with two outs.

If you think Diaz can avoid walk/HBP, Mets played it the right way I think, even if didn’t work out for them.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 11:03:00 pm
And, great job by Bote getting the bunt down.

That was 99% grit and luck on Bote’s part.

If you let him hit, that’s a DP waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 22, 2021, 11:16:43 pm
Serious question.  Bryant made the last out in the 9th, right?  So shouldn't he have been the ghost runner, not Javy?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2021, 11:21:56 pm
Baez was the batter who made the last out.

Otherwise, you could have a routine force play grounder and the guy forced would be the last out. So, it’s the batter that triggers the rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 22, 2021, 11:22:04 pm
Serious question.  Bryant made the last out in the 9th, right?  So shouldn't he have been the ghost runner, not Javy?

It's not the guy who makes the last out. The runner is "the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter" according to the official rules:

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/designated-runner
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 22, 2021, 11:25:36 pm
Thanks, br.  I thought it was the guy who makes the last out.  My bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 12:18:39 am
https://youtu.be/BFekco2fprk
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 09:45:10 am
Patrick Mooney   @PJ_Mooney  22m
Longtime Cubs radio announcer Pat Hughes will call his first regular season TV game for the Cubs on Sunday. Hughes will work alongside Jim Deshaies for the Marquee Sports Network broadcast.

The Friday afternoon game will be on ESPN MLB Network
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 10:22:35 am
With this being a day game after a night game, I thought Willson Contreras might get the day off.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezqv159WUAAIccW?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 01:18:54 pm
As they always do, Marquee skips the national anthem in order to show more commercials.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 23, 2021, 01:36:55 pm
Lots of hits the other way, Javy...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 01:39:06 pm
Good sign.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 23, 2021, 01:39:41 pm
Brett Anderson leaves with a knee injury with 1 out in the first inning. It would be nice to wear out the Brewers bullpen today so it's not a sharp for the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 01:43:05 pm
And the Cubs won't see Corbin Burnes this series.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 23, 2021, 01:52:34 pm
Cubs came ready to hit today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 01:55:32 pm
Kyle can relax a bit now.  Concentrate on what he usually concentrates on.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 01:57:29 pm
6-0 after one.

Contreras made two of the outs.   A bases loaded double by Marisnick was the big blow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 02:01:05 pm
JD doesn't believe in shut-em-down innings but I do.  C'mon Kyle.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 23, 2021, 02:10:47 pm
Is Lindbloom trying out for the Cubs?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 23, 2021, 02:11:25 pm
That was the full Bret Anderson experience.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 23, 2021, 02:14:21 pm
Let's guess which position player for the Brewers will be pitching in this game...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 02:17:55 pm
Nico walks. Plate discipline. Good two at bats.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 23, 2021, 02:18:09 pm
Fun!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 23, 2021, 02:19:02 pm
Lindblom must've pi$$ed off somebody...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 23, 2021, 02:20:18 pm
Nico walks. Plate discipline. Good two at bats.

Nico was surprised when ball 4 wasn't called a strike.  kinda funny. 

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 23, 2021, 02:21:09 pm
All the non-Hendricks guys in lineup now have averages over .200. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 23, 2021, 02:28:15 pm
When Cubs beat Mets 16-4 on Wednesday, Cubs had 18 total bases.

Today, through 2 innings, Cubs have 21 total bases already.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 02:29:54 pm
He looked good anyway on the MLB play by play computer images. 😋
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 23, 2021, 02:47:55 pm
Let's guess which position player for the Brewers will be pitching in this game...

Vogelbach
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 02:50:18 pm
And yet another hit by Hoerner, grounder the other way and too hot to handle.  (It might have been a slow roller, they don’t tell you that)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 23, 2021, 02:51:00 pm
It was smoked.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 23, 2021, 03:17:39 pm
Hendricks is suddenly getting crushed. Homer, homer, double to start the third time through the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 03:22:30 pm
The shutout’s over so take him out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 04:19:25 pm
Left fielder Hoerner with another double to make up for his strikeout last time up.  How did he look in left?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 23, 2021, 04:51:35 pm
Only thing hit to him was routine...

They did a close-up of his glove, wondering if it was borrowed from someone, or if he actually had an OF glove. There were no markings of any kind on it, though...
Title: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 23, 2021, 04:53:47 pm
If I heard correctly, the Cubs set a record for most batted balls over some threshold (95 mph ev? 100 mph?) in one game (since measurements started)...

They crushed a lot of balls today. It was a fun watch.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on April 23, 2021, 04:56:47 pm
102
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 05:19:18 pm
Disregard the incorrect caption

https://youtu.be/KKFFUSGuFKM
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 23, 2021, 05:21:50 pm
If I heard correctly, the Cubs set a record for most batted balls over some threshold (95 mph ev? 100 mph?) in one game (since measurements started)...

They crushed a lot of balls today. It was a fun watch.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzsIp1xWEAEibFe?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 23, 2021, 05:56:51 pm
Hoerner was sporting a Wilson A2000.  Brings back memories (though mine was an A2002).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 23, 2021, 06:15:32 pm
P2, your glove was like Davep's.  No laces, flat, no pocket.   A two hand sort of thing. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 23, 2021, 06:30:49 pm
I hate to admit it but I thought all gloves were the same except the catcher and first baseman.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 23, 2021, 06:59:14 pm
I wonder if you could turn Hoener into a Zobrist-Merrifield type.  He's got the natural defensive ability to do that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 24, 2021, 09:53:00 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezvy2NfXMAEuM-2?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 11:39:15 am
Wow.  Glad they gave the kid the best lineup possible today.  Surprised Romine isn't catching and Bryant at first, giving Rizzo a rest. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on April 24, 2021, 11:56:55 am
Duffy and Sogard in the same lineup?  Did the '27 Yankees somehow get reincarnated today?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2021, 12:52:16 pm
I was amazed at Duffy hitting 5 hole, so I went to Baseball Reference to see if he had ever hit there.

To my surprise, he has 199 career AB's hitting 5th...and has a career batting average of .322 there.

Then I noticed...once again to my surprise, that he has more AB's hitting 3rd in the order than any other position in the batting order, followed by 2nd, and then 5th...and now I have completely lost all faith in humanity...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 01:30:12 pm
Get somebody anybody warmed up in the pen right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 01:45:05 pm
Calm down.  Relax.  Good dog.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 01:51:56 pm
Swinging is too hard to do so Bryant takes a called third strike to end the inning leaving the speedster Rizzo stranded at second base.  No score end of 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 01:59:09 pm
Adbert strikes out the side. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2021, 02:01:38 pm
He got ahead of Hiura and Bradley 0-2, and Urias 1-2.

Pitching is a lot easier when you do that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 02:08:46 pm
Nico Hoerner, the RBI machine, drives in two with a double. 2 - 0 Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 24, 2021, 02:15:27 pm
Wow.  Glad they gave the kid the best lineup possible today.  Surprised Romine isn't catching and Bryant at first, giving Rizzo a rest. 

As Curt was anticipating, Duffy, Sogard, and Hoerner get three second-inning hits to take 2-0 lead. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 02:21:31 pm
Strikeout, fly out, and line out for Adbert in the third. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 02:25:53 pm
Craig, I was voicing my inner Jeff/tico.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 02:32:35 pm
Bryant with a double but left stranded. 2 - 0 Cubs heading to the top of the fourth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 02:47:35 pm
Sogard bunts and reaches knowing Nico is batting behind him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 02:58:41 pm
Sogard needs to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 03:12:41 pm
Ross is a winner!  Found the one that sucks rightaway!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 03:12:55 pm
Oh Brothers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 24, 2021, 03:13:47 pm
Should have left Adbert in...thanks Rex!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 03:22:04 pm
Adbert is close to being a bonafide mlb pitcher.  You don't build confidence yanking him first sign of trouble.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 04:19:06 pm
Rizzo hits into a double play to end the inning.  Down by two.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 04:44:10 pm
Have Alzolay and Hoerner been sent down for more work yet?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 24, 2021, 04:50:57 pm
Nico walks to lead off the ninth - surely a pinch hitter - Baez? -
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 24, 2021, 05:08:40 pm
If MLB wants to see more balls put in play, they should probably tell their umps not to call strikes on 99 MPH fastballs 6 inches above the top of the strike zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 24, 2021, 06:04:24 pm
I think the ump threw Ross out because he, too, knew he had blown the call.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on April 24, 2021, 07:26:05 pm
Adbert has stacked two consecutive excellent outings.  Very encouraging.  Hoerner looking pretty major league, too.  Didn't seem overwhelmed facing Hader. 

From a rebuilding perspective, those two are really important players this season.  Early small-sample encouraging. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 24, 2021, 07:39:15 pm
https://youtu.be/k-uj8jihJ3g
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 25, 2021, 10:02:42 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez0-wtoWQAgsWV3?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 25, 2021, 12:22:47 pm
Is Romine Arrieta’s personal catcher?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 25, 2021, 12:24:29 pm
Pat Hughes fills in for Boog today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 25, 2021, 01:31:08 pm
Get somebody anybody warmed up in the bullpen now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 25, 2021, 01:51:15 pm
After his K, Happ now has 63 at-bats this year and 1 extra-base hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 25, 2021, 01:58:29 pm
The magic number is 9, of course, and Arrieta threw a nine pitch second inning. 1 - 0 Brewers bottom 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 25, 2021, 03:29:20 pm
Goose eggs all over the place and pop ups and still 1 - 0 Brewers.

Slugger Rizzo strikes out to end the 6th.  1 - 0 Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 25, 2021, 03:49:37 pm
Nico does the same thing to end the 7th.  Still 1 - 0 Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 25, 2021, 04:27:08 pm
Ouch. Adam turns a 1-run game in the 9th into a 4-run game. And leaves with the bases loaded and no one out.


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Title: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 25, 2021, 04:35:01 pm
Maples pads Adam’s stats by bringing in two more via a HBP and a walk. Each batter in the bottom of the ninth would have been the tying run. Now we’d likely have to bat around...


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 25, 2021, 04:49:49 pm
Classic Maples. BB, HBP, 2Ks, no hits.  He is what he is, but can he ever be trusted in meaningful situations?  I guess this would be a good season to find out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 26, 2021, 02:35:02 pm
ESPN televises

Umpires for #Cubs (10-11) at #Braves (9-12):
Jerry Meals, Vic Carapazza, Paul Clemons, Jeremy Riggs (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)
First Pitch: 7:10 pm EDT
Venue: Truist Park

Lineup is due.  They must be waiting to see how Javy’s hamstring is.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 26, 2021, 02:44:46 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez7Ju8rXIAkzGX0?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 26, 2021, 02:59:34 pm
That’s swell of you to post the lineup, Bennett, every game.  Thank you.  Nico leading off, really pulling for him tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 26, 2021, 04:28:23 pm
Jordan Bastain
Ross says Javy is dealing with some minor hamstring tightness. Feels like he could play. Available off bench, if necessary/needed. But Ross felt it was best to give the shortstop a day to rest.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 26, 2021, 06:37:33 pm
Darvish and Caratini both on the DL >Davies
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 26, 2021, 06:38:48 pm
Well, that was quick. Atlanta bats around in a 4-run first. (Cubs, shockingly, went 1-2-3, although Hoerner did at least make contact, unlike Contreras and Rizzo.)


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 26, 2021, 06:40:45 pm
David Ross to Tommy Hottovy:  "Who can take one for the team?"
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 26, 2021, 07:10:28 pm
KBoom
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 26, 2021, 07:11:53 pm
Bryant gets it all back on one swing! Tie ballgame!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 26, 2021, 07:19:28 pm
Davies gives up the lead in the bottom of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 26, 2021, 07:56:11 pm
Nico Hoerner should never go the minors.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 26, 2021, 07:58:07 pm
Ozuna’s noodle arm leads to a tie game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 26, 2021, 07:59:08 pm
Agreed.

Wolters PH walk.
Hoerner double.

Contreras can’t get it done and pops up for out number one, but Tony manages the sac fly to tie it at 5.

KB up w Hoerner still at second and two down. 


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 26, 2021, 08:00:02 pm
Groundout ends the inning. Cubs into the pen already.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 26, 2021, 08:00:40 pm
For those not watching Rizzo’s fly ball was in swallow left field and Wolters beat the throw easily.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 26, 2021, 08:14:47 pm
Workman is the worst.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2021, 08:48:00 pm
Kurkjian just said Hack Wilson’s 101st birthday is today.

I can’t make that math work.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 26, 2021, 08:49:01 pm
Nico Hoerner should never go the minors.
they have to...he's making the k kings look bad
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 26, 2021, 08:51:35 pm
For those not watching Rizzo’s fly ball was in swallow left field and Wolters beat the throw easily.
Ozuna’s arm is Matt Carpenter bad...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 26, 2021, 09:03:08 pm
Yahoo's box score has a link to a gambling site that is evidently offering +450 odds (on a 100 dollar bet) for the Cubs to win, and -700 for the Braves.  With the Cubs only down by one run, I don't think I would put $700 on the Braves in hopes of getting $100 back, but I just might put $100 on the Cubs to hopefully win $450.  They've been playing well from behind today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 26, 2021, 10:00:25 pm
Braves hold on to win; looks like the oddsmakers knew their stuff.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 26, 2021, 10:36:36 pm
Chip Caray is as irritating as ever

https://youtu.be/slbkywX_VP4
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 27, 2021, 02:42:00 pm
Clear  near 80°  light breeze    beautiful night for a ballgame

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 27, 2021, 03:17:23 pm
Jordan Bastain

Ross: Javy (hamstring) is still getting treatment today. Still has some testing to do as well. "To be determined" until the shortstop goes through his day, and Ross/Cubs can reassess.

Ross: Day off for Bryant, who's been dealing with some right biceps soreness. Has been playing through it, but manager felt today was a good rest day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 27, 2021, 06:27:04 pm
This could be our starting lineup next year.   Maybe without Rizzo and Contreras too.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 27, 2021, 06:42:02 pm
Scoreless going into the bottom of the second.  The Cubs have yet to hit a ball out of the infield.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 27, 2021, 08:39:14 pm
You have to think the Cubs are going to get no-hit at least a couple times this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 27, 2021, 08:49:47 pm
Workman is not good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 27, 2021, 08:50:00 pm
Marsinick the only thing keeping it from being a perfect game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on April 27, 2021, 09:31:13 pm
4 in a row
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 27, 2021, 09:49:39 pm
Strop>Workman
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 28, 2021, 12:19:01 am
Marsinick the only thing keeping it from being a perfect game.
Heyward walked in the fifth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 28, 2021, 12:23:40 am
Heyward walked in the fifth.

How'd I miss that?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 28, 2021, 03:26:32 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0FgcuFXoAEwKiA?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 28, 2021, 06:44:11 pm
, but there it is.  Home Run Hendricks they call him at the car wash.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 28, 2021, 07:01:21 pm
4-0 Braves in the bottom of the second, Braves threatening again already . But looking on the bright side, the Cubs already have a hit AND a walk!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 28, 2021, 07:02:40 pm
Now 6-0 on a Freeman double. Kyle is not right. Again. Hard to watch.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 28, 2021, 07:15:01 pm
Like the Cubs are going to get six runs back . . . They might. but if Hendricks pitches another inning just forget it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on April 28, 2021, 07:18:45 pm
Biggest question with this team is when the fire sale starts. Can they hold it off until late June or does Hoyer jump the market and start dealing next month?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 28, 2021, 07:23:53 pm
If the Cubs continue to sink (and stink) over the next couple of weeks, it'll be time to do whatever is necessary to prepare for the future without regard for the results this season.  If they play better they can probably buy themselves a another month.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on April 28, 2021, 07:44:32 pm
I don’t think you want to rebuild with a lost Hendricks, and he is as lost as you can get.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 28, 2021, 07:50:05 pm
I don’t think you want to rebuild with a lost Hendricks, and he is as lost as you can get.

Problem is when he's throwing like he is now, his value is at a low ebb.  When rag-arm guys lose it they tend to lose it in a hurry.  Not much point in trading Hendricks or Davies in their current form.

You almost feel sorry for the resident organization shills - this team makes their job pretty hard.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on April 28, 2021, 08:02:57 pm
Probably shouldn’t have wasted my money to come see this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 28, 2021, 08:48:13 pm
But, br, look at how you're getting smarter!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 28, 2021, 08:53:51 pm
Rizzo K’s Freeman with the hook!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on April 28, 2021, 10:01:41 pm
Rizzo, Duffy, and Sogard combine for two scoreless innings. Maybe we should try switching the pitchers and hitters for a game and see how that goes.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on April 28, 2021, 10:18:21 pm
If the Cubs can't win, at least they can entertain by being a side show.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 28, 2021, 10:28:08 pm
How close to being a homer was the bases-loaded fly out to deep left that ended one of our position-player-pitched innings?  What turned out to be a fun diversion could have been an even uglier end to a 14-0 loss.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on April 28, 2021, 10:32:58 pm
It was caught about 5 feet from the wall.  I don't think that very many people care whether the score is 10 - 0 or 14 - 0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 28, 2021, 11:55:07 pm
Rizzo K’s Freeman with the hook!

When the highlight of your season is Rizzo K-ing Freeman, you know you're ebbing pretty low.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 07:12:34 am
It's a different kind of entertainment, for sure...much like "Frederick! Freddie!"...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 29, 2021, 09:07:34 am
https://youtu.be/paaFLpJg79o
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on April 29, 2021, 01:13:10 pm
More fun than speculating who is going to get traded in a month.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 29, 2021, 02:48:57 pm
El Mago returns

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on April 29, 2021, 02:50:26 pm
Pretty nice defensive lineup.  Gotta keep it scoreless as long as possible.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 29, 2021, 07:18:18 pm
Cubs up 4-0 going into the bottom of the third with Alzolay pitching well and the board is speechless.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 29, 2021, 07:23:58 pm
Alzolay looks like a star for stretches. Nothing wrong with his stuff.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 07:30:56 pm
With Rizzo on first Contreras hits a weak grounder to the mound and legs it out to avoid the double play.  Great hustle. He seems to be doing that all the time.

And now he steals second without a throw.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 07:44:30 pm
Albies hits a double to the wall and comes in to score on another hit; Alzolay does a great job backing up the catcher on a wild throw.  4-1 now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on April 29, 2021, 07:54:51 pm
Baez gets a triple off the wall but was sure he had homered, turned away from the flight of the ball and celebrated. Didn't know it was in play until he was about 20 feet from home plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 07:55:03 pm
Baez hits a stand-up triple off the wall that bounces most of the way back to the infield, enabling him to easily get to third despite not sprinting as the ball came off his bat.

Now Heyward rockets a double past first base and Baez scores to restore the four-run lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on April 29, 2021, 07:58:15 pm
I’m not sure whose effort was worse...Baez on his triple, or Albies on that popup...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 07:58:47 pm
Nic bloops a single to center that Albies almost caught moving backward; Heyward comes in to score.

Alzolay batting now. I wonder how many more innings he will throw today.

And he grounds out, moving Hoerner to third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 08:25:38 pm
Two outs in the sixth.  Alzolay is looking to get through six innings for the first time in his career.  Pitching to Dansby Swanson with a 6-2 lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 08:55:29 pm
Tepera is having trouble getting through the seventh.  Acuña singles in the Braves' third run and Ross is calling for Chafin.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 09:02:22 pm
Chafin gets even more outs from Frederick than Rizzo could; a double play ends the inning.

On to the eighth with the Cubs in front, 8-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 09:14:44 pm
Number 74 Trevor Megill is coming in to possibly finish off a game started by number 73.

And he quickly gets the first out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 09:21:28 pm
On to the ninth; Bote is pinch hitting for Megill.  The Cubs have scored exactly two runs in all the odd-numbered innings today; maybe they can keep it going here.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 09:23:49 pm
World's Greatest Lead-Off Man Anthony Rizzo comes up for his sixth at-bat of the game and gets his third hit, moving Hoerner to third.

Contreras up with two men on.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 09:30:23 pm
Willson hits a fly to center to bring Hoerner in with the Cubs' ninth run, but Duffy grounds into a fielder's choice at second and they cannot get a second run, ruining the string of digits on the scoreboard, which will look like 202 020 201 for the Cubs.

Kimbrel is coming out of the bullpen to close it out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 29, 2021, 09:39:12 pm
With two outs, Kimbrel gets a strikeout but it's a wild pitch that Contreras can't find, and the Braves have new life.  But Acuña flies to Heyward in right, and the Cubs win.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 30, 2021, 12:20:52 am
https://youtu.be/9L5DQ4e635Y
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 30, 2021, 02:57:07 pm
Cool and clear with strong winds (19mph) from the NNW

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 30, 2021, 02:58:15 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (11-14) at #Reds (11-13):
Marty Foster, Sam Holbrook, Shane Livensparger, Mike Muchlinski (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 30, 2021, 07:02:59 pm
JD just described the Reds catcher as standing in the "bullfrog" position.  I've never heard that before but it sure is accurate.

2-0 Cubs in the bottom of the third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on April 30, 2021, 07:11:43 pm
After a run scores on a failed DP attempt, Votto makes it 3-2 Reds.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on April 30, 2021, 08:49:28 pm
I wonder what the offers would be like on Bryant now.  If you hang on till the summer, you're risking this hot start flaming out or yet another injury.  Same boat with Kimbrel, really - if he's still throwing this way closer to the deadline fine, but no guarantees of that.  The tough decisions of a fire sale.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 30, 2021, 09:20:15 pm
With the score 8-4 in the final inning, the Cubs load the bases with nobody out as Lucas Sims is all over the place with his pitching.

Rizzo swings at a terrible pitch for strike one and flies out.

Javy coming up with one out.  He files to left and Sogard comes in to make it 8-5, and the Cubs are down to their final out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 30, 2021, 09:24:58 pm
Heyward takes ball four on a full-count pitch that looked like it nicked the inside corner.

Marisnick, who has struck out twice and looked bad doing it, coming up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 30, 2021, 09:25:52 pm
A bases-clearing double sure would be good right about now.

Inside; count goes to 2-2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 30, 2021, 09:29:19 pm
A brave take from Marisnick on a full count, and Sims walks in a run; it's 8-6.

David Bell is taking the ball from Sims; T. J. Antone, who does not seem to have had enough time to warm up, is coming in.  Perhaps Cincinnati underestimated the Cubs' teaser-rally skills when they didn't bother getting anyone ready as the Cubs started putting people on base to start the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on April 30, 2021, 09:31:55 pm
Bote takes two strikes from Antone, whose actual first name is "Tejay".

And he grounds out; Reds win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 01, 2021, 12:22:07 am
https://youtu.be/GrMb6hcVcng
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 01, 2021, 11:34:28 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 03:18:50 pm
Ground
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 04:14:01 pm
Mound visit bottom third because Ray Davies loads the bases with two out, Zach Davies. Glad we have that muscle in the rotation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 04:28:29 pm
Nico singles sharply but Heyward out at home. 2 - 2 bottom 4th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 05:00:26 pm
Brothers strikes out the side to end the fifth, 2 - 2
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 05:18:20 pm
Nico comes through with a two out RBI single and Cubs take the lead.  Man you have to love this guy!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 05:21:16 pm
3 - 2 Cubs bottom 6.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 05:30:22 pm
Winkler strikes out two, hits a batter, but gets out of 6th, 3 - 2 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 01, 2021, 06:07:05 pm
To the ninth we go 3 - 2 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:24:59 pm
Kimbrel is robbed on a terrific 1-1 pitch.  Now goes to 3-1 with runners at the corners and nobody out. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:25:28 pm
3-2 (to Blandino).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:25:56 pm
K.  One gone.  Terrific fast ball at the knees.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:26:33 pm
Naquin up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:28:10 pm
2-2 count.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:29:41 pm
Full count.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:30:23 pm
Called third strike on an off speed pitch.  Two gone.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:30:49 pm
Castellanos up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 01, 2021, 06:31:27 pm
GO 4-3.  Cubs win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 01, 2021, 07:21:06 pm
https://youtu.be/hrk_MYkq1iw
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 01, 2021, 07:31:03 pm
Anybody miss Thom Brenneman on the Reds telecast?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 01, 2021, 07:47:16 pm
I do. The new guy is bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 01, 2021, 09:20:25 pm
I usually don't care who is the broadcaster, but I don't much care for this guy so far.  Perhaps he will grow on me.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 01, 2021, 10:20:49 pm
You talking about Boog, Davep?  My wife hates him.  She keeps yelling at the tv, "Shuttup already!"
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ben on May 01, 2021, 10:31:29 pm
Hey Bennett, thanks for providing the game wrap videos!  I love watching them (after Cub wins, which are a bit scarce this year).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 02, 2021, 12:17:52 am
I've only listened to the new Reds guy on today's highlights but deciding between and Thom is choosing the lesser of two evils.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 02, 2021, 09:11:01 am
Pat Hughes does TV play-by-play again while Boog is off doing ESPN Sunday Night Baseball radio.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 02, 2021, 10:04:23 am
Boog has grown on me. Listening to him is like sitting with a buddy at the game.  He and Jim pair well together.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on May 02, 2021, 10:42:57 am
I don't like him.  How many times a broadcast does he have to mention "slug"?  I find him very repetitive and he has a creep vibe.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 02, 2021, 10:57:23 am
It can't be easy for a broadcaster when the entertainment value of the product you're covering is so low.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 02, 2021, 11:39:49 am
My advice to any broadcaster would be to "be himself".   With Boog, every strikeout is now a "punch out" and every hit is a "knock" just as JD invariably says. 

Boog is also guilty of a fault common to many others:  Ball number one, strike number two, out number three.  I know one, two, and three are numbers.  Whatever happened to strike one, ball two, and the third out?

And it is now twenty-twenty-one, not two-thousand and twenty-one. 
1821 = eighteen twenty-one
1921 = nineteen twenty-one
2021 = twenty-twenty-one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 02, 2021, 12:44:16 pm
Wolters just stole home on a throw back to the pitcher after a pitch.

Play under review; it looked to me as if Barnhart assumed that Wolters would just concede the out, since the throw clearly beat him, but Wolters slid under him and beat the tag.

And now review calls him out as his foot was apparently over the plate, rather than on the plate...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 12:46:26 pm
Thanks, Dave, I was trying to picture it and couldn’t.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 01:07:58 pm
Bryant and Rizzo with one run homers as Cubs take the lead 4 - 2 going into bottom 3.  I picture line drives that just keep rising and rising.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 02, 2021, 01:14:14 pm
Get Keegan Thompson up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 01:31:57 pm
Duffy tagged the runner at home??
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 02, 2021, 01:34:13 pm
Runner rounded the 3B bag too far and tagged out at 3B.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 01:38:12 pm
Thanks. MLB said out at home.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 01:52:52 pm
Why pinch hit for Maples?  4 up 4 down with a minimum of pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 02, 2021, 01:56:42 pm
Keegan Thompson makes his major league debut facing Joey Votto and walks him.

6-5 Reds in the bottom of the fifth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 02, 2021, 01:57:23 pm
Followed by a DP.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 02:11:19 pm
Nico pulls one for a double and ties the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 02, 2021, 02:15:49 pm
Hope Nico isn't hurt...looked like he was looking at his thumb after that SB attempt...and he went into the clubhouse before the inning ended...might have jammed it on Moustakas's shoe?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 02, 2021, 02:18:43 pm
Nick needs to go to the minors to work on hitting triples.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 02, 2021, 02:38:38 pm
Dear Mr. Ross, consider keeping effective pitchers in and stop trying the ones that suck.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 02:39:38 pm
There is a bullpen coach right?  Why pray tell can’t all the middle relievers get off their high era behinds and warm up.  The coach then, right?, says Maples looks sharp and Mills looks hittable, can’t the bullpen coach influence Ross? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 03:17:25 pm
Happ with a clutch three run dinger.  Who woulda thunk it?  Tied at 12 bottom 8.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 03:30:30 pm
How do you have an injury delay on a pop up to second base?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dev on May 02, 2021, 03:30:33 pm
Who takes Happ place? Sogard,Bote, and Marisnek have been used...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dev on May 02, 2021, 03:34:58 pm
Tony Wolters.  C-2B extraordinaire
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 02, 2021, 03:37:17 pm
Send Nico to minors to learn how to avoid collisions.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 03:56:15 pm
Wow, Nico intentionally walked.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 03:57:59 pm
A double steal. -  how cool is that!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on May 02, 2021, 03:58:04 pm
Wolters sure has milked his one big hit against the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 02, 2021, 04:04:29 pm
Now am I living on Mars?  Jake Arrieta pinch hitting in extra innings with the scores tied?  No no no .
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 02, 2021, 04:06:24 pm
No position players left, dog
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 02, 2021, 04:06:33 pm
Have we gotten an update on Happ?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 02, 2021, 04:47:44 pm
https://youtu.be/g-AXLRHlllk
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 02, 2021, 06:25:57 pm
Have we gotten an update on Happ?


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Ross talked to Happ after the game but has not talked to Cubs trainers yet:

"He feels fine. Pretty good blow to the face. I haven't heard the doctor's report yet but I did talk to Ian and he's in good spirits."
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 02, 2021, 06:36:36 pm
As long as there's no concussion and he (and Hoerner) did no damage to their wheels.  BTW, that was a heck of a play by Hoerner.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 02, 2021, 06:36:51 pm
Rub some dirt on it and play, pansy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 02, 2021, 06:42:31 pm
I try to keep it clean, actually.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 02, 2021, 06:50:41 pm
I try to keep it clean, actually.
Pansy
 ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 02, 2021, 10:10:21 pm
You talking about Boog, Davep?  My wife hates him.  She keeps yelling at the tv, "Shuttup already!"

I don't exactly hate him, but I sure don't care for him very much.  And remember, I had no problem with Harry's grandson or the guy that left to go to Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 08:40:30 am
Mon, May 3  7:30 PM  MLB Network Showcase:
Los Angeles Dodgers @ Chicago Cubs or Texas Rangers @ Minnesota Twins

Check your local listings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: BearHit on May 03, 2021, 01:04:10 pm
Dodgers were slumping - Cubs are slump-busters
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 03, 2021, 01:10:13 pm
Dodgers struggled against Milwaukee pitching.  Milwaukee pitching > Cub pitching.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 03, 2021, 02:10:26 pm
What if Hendricks has another bad outing?  Certainly Ross will have the entire bullpen warming up, including Kimbrel, and, if it is allowed, he will go down there himself and assess his assets. Certainly that will be the case tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 03, 2021, 03:06:36 pm
Now, I’m pretty sure that the bullpen only warms up two pitchers at a time, so the relievers, every last one of them, will wait their turn to warm up.  Ross, before he was a baseball announcer, was a catcher, and if the catcher can’t tell if the pitcher is looks good then who can?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 03:46:11 pm
No word on who Pederson replaced on the roster or Happ's status

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0fZz5mWQAMioBq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 05:01:11 pm
Chicago Cubs  @Cubs  3m
Tonight’s game between the #Cubs and Dodgers at Wrigley Field has been postponed due to inclement weather.

The makeup game is scheduled for tomorrow at 1:20 p.m. CDT as the first game of a split doubleheader.

Game 2 is scheduled for 6:40 p.m.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 05:04:22 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0fsNtBVUAAQlvS?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on May 03, 2021, 05:40:14 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0fsNtBVUAAQlvS?format=jpg&name=900x900)

This is weird. I live about 1 1/2 miles from Wrigley Field and I just returned from a 3.5 mile walk in the park. No rain or precipitation of any sort. No dark, threatening clouds or lightning like in the photo.  I don't know when that photo was taken, but it wasn't today.


However, there is a prediction of heavy thunderstorms starting around 8:00.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 03, 2021, 05:55:31 pm
hmm.  A lightening rainbow!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 06:05:13 pm
This is weird. I live about 1 1/2 miles from Wrigley Field and I just returned from a 3.5 mile walk in the park. No rain or precipitation of any sort. No dark, threatening clouds or lightning like in the photo.  I don't know when that photo was taken, but it wasn't today.

However, there is a prediction of heavy thunderstorms starting around 8:00.
Strange, indeed.  The photo came from the Cubs own Twitter feed and has since been taken down.  The forecast this morning mentioned only the possibility of light showers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 06:16:54 pm
The end of the Nuveen sign is visible above the left field stands.  It has not been there all year.  Shame on the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 03, 2021, 06:21:52 pm
The photo is from June 27, 2019.

See the information on the right side of this link
https://www.google.com/search?q=led+display&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&tbs=simg:CAESjAIJcUg4Q97qq_1EagAILELCMpwgaOgo4CAQSFM8MhyX_1Eewu0SLvLq4IljWDCPwoGhrSO9yPbno4yq61aMaYF4W0H8Y76lZqIvRyoSAFMAQMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgSwPh8ZDAsQne3BCRqgAQofCgtsZWQgZGlzcGxhedqliPYDDAoKL20vMDRndmxzXwoeCgpmbG9vZGxpZ2h02qWI9gMMCgovbS8waDU0OHJqChsKCWxpZ2h0bmluZ9qliPYDCgoIL20vMGdtczgKHgoMdGh1bmRlcnN0b3Jt2qWI9gMKCggvbS8wamIybAogCg1iYXNlYmFsbCBwYXJr2qWI9gMLCgkvbS8wNmM0X20M&fir=LS8ObPJnK2H7RM%252CywZYYDEumCU7bM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSvKYY27r8OfsaYCSMTJSiQ9n1-Tw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5zPXo0q7wAhVWJzQIHTeFCYQQ9QF6BAgJEAE&biw=1455&bih=695#imgrc=LS8ObPJnK2H7RM
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 03, 2021, 06:53:06 pm
Dodgers were slumping - Cubs are slump-busters

It's a shame Davies has been awful, because a Davies-Bryant package to LA makes a lot of sense.  They need a SP and could really use another RH bat.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 03, 2021, 09:18:08 pm
I suppose they could add Arrieta.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 04, 2021, 10:49:38 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0jgBMSXIAAvxkq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 11:17:12 am
These are starting to look more and more like 2014...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 11:55:51 am
In 2014 we had an up-and-coming team where you could tell great things were on the horizon.  After an awful first half, the team actually played over .500 for the latter half (or so) of the season.  They were exciting to watch at times.

I'm not getting that vibe from the 2021 squad.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 04, 2021, 12:07:38 pm
Keegan Thompson starts the nightcap against Trevor Bauer.

Go get 'em, kid!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 01:33:00 pm
According to my intel that was a 6 - 5 - 3 double play, with the runner at first. Can’t picture it, is Bote playing second, he’s listed at third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 01:38:46 pm
Look at Javy taking a walk on a close 3-2 pitch!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 01:42:39 pm
Seager didn't look particularly rangy on Duffy's single...

Oh good lord...how does Rizzo not score there? That ball hit the back wall...

Bote cleans the bases with a double off the LF wall...4-0 Cubs in the 1st...6 feet higher and it would have been a slam...109.1 off the bat...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 01:53:26 pm
Kershaw gets umpire assistance for strike 1 on Vargas, then Vargas helps by swinging at 2 balls at his ankles.

We worked Kershaw for 40+ pitches in the 1st, though...so that's nice...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 01:54:32 pm
39 pitches for Kershaw in the bottom 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 02:07:38 pm
Kershaw done after 1...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 04, 2021, 02:08:31 pm
I know Duffy can't keep this up, but he's fun to watch right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 04, 2021, 02:18:09 pm
I have to mute my tv between innings.  Those loud MLB tones before they show the same highlights they've shown for the past month.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 02:36:49 pm
Ted Barrett's strike zone has been - to be nice - inconsistent at best.

Marisnick and Vargas score on a wild pitch with 2 outs and Hendricks at bat...that's how managers lose sleep at night...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 02:53:07 pm
Enough niceties...Barrett's strike zone sucks.

The 2-0 to Bryant was a joke. The difference between 3-0 and 2-1 is massive.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 02:56:03 pm
Jesus...the 2-0 to Rizzo was even worse...and it was a slider that never had a piece of the plate...no excuse for missing that one!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on May 04, 2021, 02:56:45 pm
It was just a bit outside.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 04, 2021, 03:03:09 pm
Nice quick 5th inning, it would be nice if Hendricks could pitch all 7 innings in this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on May 04, 2021, 03:04:16 pm
So far this game is turning out pretty much like everyone expected.


Baseball is a very unpredictable game (credit to Jimmer).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 04, 2021, 03:37:25 pm
What's wrong with Baez today? Multiple errors on routine grounders including one that just cost them a game-ending double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 04, 2021, 03:40:52 pm
Don't know, but he picked the right game to make them.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 04, 2021, 03:57:42 pm
Baez bobbled a couple  in Cincy too.  He's recovered some of them, so no error.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 04:00:08 pm
That shift must have been on on that 6 -5-3 double play with a runner on first.  Baez must have gone to his right, or maybe his left if the ball was hit up the middle and Vargas was shifted toward first.  Bote heads up covered second for the force and threw in time to Rizzo for the double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 04, 2021, 04:29:08 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0kshVpWYAMWwYI?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 04, 2021, 04:30:13 pm
Gordon Wittenmyer  @GDubCub  37m
Cubs adding Kohl Stewart to bullpen as 27th man for Game 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 04, 2021, 04:51:59 pm
I know Duffy can't keep this up, but he's fun to watch right now.

I don't know, Duffy's floor is pretty high, and there's not a bunch that's obviously anomalous about his current stat line vs career. Yeah, the K/BB ratio is better than ever, but his power is also significantly lower than career average.

The total line will come down a little as the season progresses, but throughout his career he's been a smart, league-average hitter with an emphasis on quality AB's and very solid defense: an unassuming package that dependably delivers. That he looks good right now is not an aberration.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 04, 2021, 04:53:29 pm
Put more succinctly: Duffy is Zobrist with less power, and we should expect him to be good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 05:08:28 pm
I would agree with that. There’s room on a 26 man roster for a Duffy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 05:08:41 pm
Duffy is 30.

When Zobrist was 30, he had a 7.6 bWAR season.

Duffy has 7.8 bWAR CAREER so far.  0.1 so far this season.

Zobrist was 44.5 career bWAR.

Duffy is a nice player. Upside, maybe he could be an average regular. Has had a couple good seasons in his career when he was younger.

But, not a comp or semi-comp to Zobrist in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 04, 2021, 05:36:54 pm
https://youtu.be/5Z0MQhs3AwI
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 04, 2021, 07:21:21 pm
I wonder if Baez has a sore hand and that's why he's bobbling things and sitting this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 07:31:45 pm
Thompson is a good name for a pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 07:55:40 pm
Great to see Hendricks get the team's first complete game in the shortened first game.

Keegan Thompson, number 71, walks the lead-off man in the fourth.  His addition to the roster gives us numbers 71, 72, 73, and 74 all being filled.  (This is going to be one of the lasting legacies of Covid, folks.)

Rex Brothers is warming up in the bullpen.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 07:58:19 pm
Will Smith hits a long fly into the right-field corner, but it stays up for Heyward to get over there; the runner tags and goes to second.

Ross has come out to make a pitching change; Brothers is coming in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 08:00:55 pm
What a stupid move.  Ross is an idiot:
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 04, 2021, 08:03:08 pm
Thompson was impressive.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:03:13 pm
Brothers strikes Muncy out and keeps Keegan's runner from scoring.

How many innings does a starter need to go to be eligible for the win in a seven-inning game?  Is it still five, or is it less?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:05:24 pm
Heyward starts the inning by depositing a pitch into the right-field bleachers; 1-0, Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:08:57 pm
Ildemaro Vargas -- I thought we had released him -- takes a 3-1 inside pitch for a walk.  It was several inches inside, and the Dodger catcher just tried to pull it back.  Why aren't umpires angrier when catchers try to fool them like this?

Now Sogard has a single and Vargas makes it to third.  Let's get something going here.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:11:10 pm
Wolters lays down a bunt to move Sogard to second; feels like a waste of an at-bat.

Duffy hitting with men on second and third. Dodgers pull the infield in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:18:22 pm
Duffy strikes out looking on a perfect pitch that hits the low outside corner.

Bauer is one out away from escaping the jam.

Now Pederson is hit in the toe with a pitch well inside; they're reviewing it.  The call stands.  Bryant hitting now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 08:21:56 pm
I hate to jinx it, and it might be partly because Barrett was so bad in game 1...but this has been the best called balls/strikes game I have seen in a long time...

(As Bryant takes strike three right down the frikkin middle...)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:22:18 pm
With the count full and all the fans standing up and cheering, Bryant strikes out looking.

Cubs still have the lead; 1-0 after four.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 04, 2021, 08:23:22 pm
https://twitter.com/k_man5000/status/1389748723920474112?s=20
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:26:44 pm
Ildemaro ranges into the outfield to grab a grounder and nab the runner by a step.

Now Rios grounds to Sogard for the second out.

Let's have a nice easy inning here and get up to hit again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:28:43 pm
Lux grounds to Vargas and we do get the easy 1-2-3 inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:32:53 pm
Rizzo starts the inning with a triple to the wall.  Would have liked to have some runners on base there!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:37:35 pm
Bote flies out and Roberts is taking Bauer out of the game.  Ground ball specialist Victor Gonzalez, number 81, is coming in for the Dodgers to pitch to Heyward.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:42:19 pm
The needed ground ball comes, and Rizzo is tagged at the plate after a futile attempt at dodging the tag.

Hope that run doesn't become important.

Vargas up with a man on first now.

Gonzalez' jersey looks off-center, like he was supposed to be number 8 and they added that 1 to the end.

And they get the strikeout on Vargas and the Cubs can't add to the lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 08:47:19 pm
Oh Brother, the collapse is coming. Fasten your seatbelts. Ross has no clue.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 08:54:42 pm
Excellent diving catch and throw by Bote, and a nice grab by Rizzo, to get the third out; on to the bottom of the sixth with the Cubs hanging on to their 1-0 lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:02:54 pm
Sogard beats the shift on a weak chopper down the third base line.  Marisnick runs for him.

Now a hit and Baez is pinch hitting with two men on. Bobbled by Rios and the Cubs have the bases loaded for Bryant again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 09:04:25 pm
Joc Pederson with a bases loaded pop up.  That away.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:10:03 pm
Another strikeout, this time from Rizzo on a pitch in the dirt, and the Cubs leave the bases loaded again.  Let's hope they don't regret that.

Kimbrel coming in to try to close it out.  It would be great to sweep a doubleheader from the defending World Champions.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 04, 2021, 09:10:10 pm
 Kudos to Trienen there for effectively getting 7 outs in a single inning (squib single against the shift, squib single against the shift, bobbled DP grounder, then 3 outs). Just filthy stuff and perfect command.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 09:11:49 pm
82% probability to score in an inning with runner on 3B and 0 outs.

Cubs go three straight innings with runner on 3B and 0 outs—-and don’t score.

What are odds on that?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 09:13:10 pm
You load the bases with nobody out and don’t score a single stinking run - they deserve to lose, and they will.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:15:48 pm
Muncy hits a homer into the basket, and the game is tied.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 04, 2021, 09:16:14 pm
What a meatball that was by Kimbrel.  95 over the heart of the plate at the belt.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 09:16:20 pm
Baseball gods say you shall not get away with those bases loaded mishaps.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 09:17:01 pm
Who is the 3rd guy talking, with Boog and JD?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:20:11 pm
Dave, I think it's Rick Sutcliffe.

Kimbrel gets a strikeout to end the inning. Let's win it here; I don't want this game going into extra innings with the stupid ghost runners.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 09:22:36 pm
Muncy homer was in upper part of the zone—-just under letters. Catcher was set up higher in the zone and Kimbrel missed the spot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:29:05 pm
Heyward walks and the Cubs have the winning run on base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 09:30:39 pm
Is Sutcliffe under the weather?

He sounds a little like Randy Hundley...lol
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:32:32 pm
Weak grounder up the middle, and the Dodgers get the double play.

On to the tenth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:35:26 pm
Dillon Maples coming in to pitch.  Well.  Let's see what he can do.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:37:18 pm
Nice grab by Bote on a grounder; they get the batter at first and the imaginary runner moves to third.  Justin Turner, 2017 Cub-killer, is batting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:38:05 pm
And a wild pitch brings in the go-ahead run.

And now Turner hits a towering fly into the left field corner that gets over the basket; 3-1, Dodgers.

What an ugly game.  All those lost opportunities.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 09:53:44 pm
Turner’s ball (368 feet) had a 100% hit probability. A few feet inside the line.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:57:44 pm
Relief pitcher White throws a wild pitch of his own, moving Vargas to third.

Wolters swings at a bad pitch and the Cubs are down to their last out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on May 04, 2021, 09:58:45 pm
JAVY!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 09:58:59 pm
Javier Baez hits a home run; tie game!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 04, 2021, 10:00:32 pm
Wow!!! Javy!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 10:00:58 pm
Javy is atheist re. Baseball gods.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 10:03:22 pm
Contreras walks on four pitches. They've got a Maples of their own; White almost uncorks a wild pickoff throw.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 10:04:33 pm
The entire left side of the infield is open for KB.  But he pops it to first.

Going to the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 10:09:39 pm
Can we win it? That is the question. Got a chance thanks to Javy.  C’mon now the momentum is on our side.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 10:12:38 pm
Justin Steele is in to pitch and to try to hold the Dodgers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 10:17:19 pm
With Cubs track record this game, should we hope that Cubs don’t move runner to 3B with 0 outs bottom of 9th?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 10:17:59 pm
Steele gets a huge strikeout on Austin Barnes with two men on to end the inning.

On to the bottom of the ninth!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 10:18:33 pm
Dodgers may open inning with the Intentional Wild Pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 10:22:13 pm
Thank g-d. One out, runner on third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 04, 2021, 10:27:31 pm
Base hit to right field; Cubs win!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2021, 10:28:13 pm
Bote deserved that. He had a day!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 04, 2021, 10:33:36 pm
Wow, we did it, nice job boys, spotted us a runner on second and we got him home. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 04, 2021, 10:38:36 pm
I've been pretty pleased with how Ross has handled the pitching staff.  Even though Maples didn't work out, a strikeout pitcher is the right choice in the abomination that is extra innings these days.  And it would have been so easy to go with the experience of Kyle Ryan in the 11th.  Nope.  Wanted the strikeout stuff of Steele.

On a related subject, I wonder if Alzolay, Maples, Steele, and Thompson have combined for more WAR in the first 30 games of 2021 than all homegrown Cubs pitchers did from 2012 through 2020.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 04, 2021, 10:39:16 pm
Runner on third with Pederson, Bryant, and Rizzo up and can't get him in.   That has to stop happening.  Ross is pushing CONTACT.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 11:01:43 pm
Dodgers are now only three games over .500.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2021, 11:11:00 pm
Really looked like Maples was going to destruct but he regrouped and got out of inning without horrific damage. His mound demeanor is sound. Not a good outing but not one of those back to the drawing board kind of things.

Also worth noting what a good defensive catcher Tony Wolters is. Superb in game 2 tonight. Can’t hit a lick (except Wild Card games) but can catch. Can see why Cubs reluctant to go with PJ Higgins when guys like this are out there.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 05, 2021, 07:40:59 am
For some unknown reason game two highlights are not available.  This is the best I can do:

https://youtu.be/zFiAoCx0W-A
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2021, 08:24:43 am
Bennett, the best you can do is great!  You help make this board the place to be.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on May 05, 2021, 08:50:43 am
Dodgers are now only three games over .500.



The Athletic has had several articles in recent days/weeks in which they kept pointing out that the Dodgers have become the team the Cubs hoped to be after 2016.  So it is fun to see the Cubs sweep a double header from them, one a rout against Kershaw and the other a late in the game come from behind win.
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Post by: craig on May 05, 2021, 10:42:26 am
Fun to have Keegan have an effective day, and to have Steele pitching effectively.  Kind of fun to have some new faces to hope for. 
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Post by: Bennett on May 05, 2021, 02:46:08 pm
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Post by: dogstoothe on May 05, 2021, 03:52:56 pm
Gonna be cool to actually watch a game.  Haven’t seen Duffy live.  Too bad about Hoerner, he threw that ball into third though.  Injury must have happened during collision?  Not on slide into third?
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Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2021, 07:20:29 pm
Watch Conteras.  Even when hitters swing and miss he still frames the pitch.  I guess he thinks the ump may miss the swing?
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Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2021, 08:23:14 pm
Ross has gotten really good at finding the one that sucks almost immediately.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 09:51:11 pm
Kimbrel in to try and preserve the tie in the ninth.  He has a 0.73 ERA; who would have believed that after watching his 2019 performance?

He strikes Beaty out and puts Lux in an 0-2 hole.  Now Lux works the count back to even with Kimbrel nowhere near the zone.  And he pops it up to Duffy; two outs.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 09:56:13 pm
Bottom of the ninth; Bote leading things off.  Let's walk it off again tonight!
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:03:51 pm
Bote flies to left; Duffy whiffs.  Marisnick up with two outs; if he doesn't do anything, we're headed for another of these clownish extra inning games.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:14:16 pm
Mills in to hold them in the tenth.  He gets two quick groundouts as the runner moves to third, then walks Turner on four pitches (ranging from 62 to 89 MPH).

And our nemesis Muncy doubles home the go-ahead run.  Turner tries to come around to score and is out at the plate.
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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:21:14 pm
Two on for Joc against his former team.


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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:21:56 pm
Last chance for the Cubs; Duffy is the invisible runner and Rizzo is up to lead off the inning against closer Kenley Jansen, who starts off nowhere near the plate but then finds the corner twice, and then misses with ball four low; first and second for Joc.  Let's see him send his old team home unhappy.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:23:52 pm
A wild pitch from Jansen and the winning run is in scoring position.

Let's go, Joc!
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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:25:25 pm
Pederson thought he got the walk-off homer, and instead had to settle for a game tying sac fly. His face when he realizes it didn’t leave the yard is hilarious.


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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:26:48 pm
IBB to KB. And to Javy.  Up to Willson.


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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:30:33 pm
The Dodgers get a double play.  Oof.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:39:35 pm
Dodgers take the lead as Muncy scores on a fielder's choice.  Looks like we'll need another miracle comeback.
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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:44:44 pm
That was a really unfortunate mistake by Rizzo on the FC. Now bags loaded for Betts. Hopefully we can keep it to a run here.


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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:48:57 pm
With the bases loaded, Mills gets Mookie to hit into a fielder's choice to keep the lead at 1.

Bottom of the order coming up for the Cubs.
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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:52:14 pm
With the bases loaded, Mills gets Mookie to hit into a fielder's choice to keep the lead at 1.

Bottom of the order coming up for the Cubs.
And not faring well so far. K for Heyward. Duffy down 1-2.


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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:52:42 pm
1-3...


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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:53:40 pm
Oops. That was Bote. Now Duffy.


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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:54:04 pm
Duffy!!!


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Post by: Dihard on May 05, 2021, 10:54:33 pm
5-5 game on an RBI single up the middle. Let’s win this thing!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on May 05, 2021, 10:55:06 pm
Gotta give the Cubs credit for fighting back yesterday and tonight.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 10:57:53 pm
Let's see if Tony Wolters can show us some of that 2018 Wild Card magic.
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Post by: Deeg on May 05, 2021, 10:59:49 pm
This baserunner rule has to be the dumbest thing baseball has done in decades, and that's a high bar.
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Post by: dogstoothe on May 05, 2021, 11:01:29 pm
Mills is done, thank you Ross.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 11:03:36 pm
I'm very impressed with Mills.  This silly extra-inning situation calls for flamethrowing relievers who aim for strikeouts and zero contact, and Mills is the opposite of that guy.  He's going to give up hits and pitch to contact and leave runners on base.  Both of the runs he allowed are not just unearned, but "imaginary" from the perspective of his pitching.
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Post by: ticohans on May 05, 2021, 11:03:46 pm
Man I love Rizzo’s choking-up-approach here with 2 strikes.
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Post by: Tuffy on May 05, 2021, 11:05:20 pm
TONY! Cubs win!
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Post by: CUBluejays on May 05, 2021, 11:07:14 pm
Did not see a sweep going up against Kershaw , Bauer and Beuhler.
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Post by: craig on May 05, 2021, 11:09:51 pm
Did not see a sweep going up against Kershaw , Bauer and Beuhler.

Yup, just what I was going to say.
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Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2021, 11:17:46 pm
I foresaw a sweep.  But it wasn't the Cubs doing the sweeping.  Glad to be wrong.
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Post by: craig on May 05, 2021, 11:17:53 pm
Stoping the 2nd run in the 10th was huge.  Thought Bryant got to the ball very quickly and got a throw very quickly; and Baez with a terrific throw.  That saved the game. 

That was a really interesting play on the one out runners on 1st-and-3rd double-play grounder to Rizzo that didn't work out.  I think Rizzo knew that if he steps on 1st and throws to 2nd, baez then has to tag the runner, and if the runner on 3rd scores first, the run counts.  Think Rizzo made the right play and a really smart play there.  But I can't fault Baez for not realizing, and for thinking Rizzo had maybe tagged the bag already.  Not much time for Baez to process what had happened.  I wonder if that's a play they'll talk over afterwards.  I wonder if Bote maybe should have been over their yelling and telling him which it was. 

That may not be so rare a play in future.  With the runner-on-2nd bit, if they get to third it's the norm not the exception to walk a guy and set up the 1st-and-3rd DP situation.  A play like that might occur again. 

I wonder if Rizzo would have had a play at home?  Step on the bag and rifle it home, then no ambiguity?  Anyway, just a really fascinating play with a couple of really split-second decisions required by both players. 
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Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2021, 11:21:50 pm
I can't get it to replay, but if you can, see Tony's last at bat, check this out: Cleavinger gets the signal from Smith, the camera pans to Duffy at second who reaches over and quickly tugs his right sleeve, the pitch is made and Tony looks like he has a good idea about the pitch and smacks it through the left side.  I'm not complaining and it doesn't disrespect the accomplishment, because you still have to hit the damb ball, but...  somebody take a peek if you're able.
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Post by: craig on May 05, 2021, 11:22:00 pm
Alzolay continues to look very good. 
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Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2021, 11:23:40 pm
Baez obviously thought Rizzo got the bag, because he's standing on second when he gets the throw and still tags the runner coming in.
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Post by: Reb on May 05, 2021, 11:35:44 pm
Yeah, smart play by Rizzo on the grounder to 1B.

But, tough look for Javy to see whether Rizzo touched bag. In post-game interview, Rizzo said he should have yelled “one” to clue Javy for a return toss to 1B. But, a play like that happens so fast in real time.

Lots of heroes this game. Alzolay outstanding. Marisnick to get Cubs back in game against Buehler. Duffy with clutch 2-out hit AND big stolen base. Pederson with Sac Fly/phantom homer for the tie. Even Mills for allowing only the designated runners to score in two innings. Tepera with nice work getting 6 outs and limiting Ryan’s damage.

Rizzo of course with the winner. With 2 strikes against a lefty and single wins game, pretty sure he’s trying to hit ball to the left side there. Hit em where they ain’t baseball.
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Post by: Reb on May 05, 2021, 11:52:35 pm
Should also mention Wolters who, remarkably, drew a walk to get Rizzo to the plate.

As JD said on the broadcast when the lefty threw two nasty pitches to Rizzo to open that AB, the lefty was pitching to Wolters like he was Rizzo...and pitching to Rizzo like he was Wolters.

The walk to Wolters was a gift.
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Post by: Reb on May 05, 2021, 11:58:40 pm
And great relay throw by Javy to the plate on Muncy’s double in the 10th.
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Post by: Bennett on May 06, 2021, 12:15:18 am
https://youtu.be/5FcErO9nnK0
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Post by: Bennett on May 06, 2021, 12:39:01 am
9:05 worth of highlights

https://youtu.be/D8SkomHc0SE
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Post by: Reb on May 06, 2021, 02:56:03 am
Trib beatwriter

Meghan Montemurro
@M_Montemurro

....David Ross had Ian Happ go on-deck when Matt Duffy stepped to the plate in 11th because he didn't want Dodgers to intentionally walk Duffy to face Tony Wolters, who was going to pinch hit either way.

Duffy's first-pitch single tied game.
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Post by: Dave23 on May 06, 2021, 07:40:32 am
Agree with Craig and Reb on the DP that wasn’t...well played by Rizzo, and happens so fast that if Baez doesn’t or can’t see Rizzo’s feet, it’s just an unfortunate incident...don’t think anyone yelling would have mattered, as quickly as the play went down.
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Post by: craig on May 06, 2021, 08:47:12 am
Agree with Craig and Reb on the DP that wasn’t...well played by Rizzo, and happens so fast that if Baez doesn’t or can’t see Rizzo’s feet, it’s just an unfortunate incident...don’t think anyone yelling would have mattered, as quickly as the play went down.
Yeah, it was just so fast, so little time to think or to communicate. 

Dave, in retrospect, do you think if Rizzo had just stepped on the bag and threw it home, that might have simplified things?  Any DP where no tags are required are simpler, of course.  But Baez was really in a no-time-to-think decision point, should I tag or should I throw?  If Rizzo had just gone home, Wolters would have had no such ambiguity. 

Just a really, really cool and fascinating play, even if it didn't quite work out perfect. 
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Post by: Dave23 on May 06, 2021, 09:21:01 am
The ball was hit hard enough that you had to be sure you're getting 2 on the play, however it happens. Barring an errant throw, a 3-6-3 there is almost guaranteed.

If Rizzo is one step closer to home plate when he fields the ball, and not within a step or two of first base, then Baez has no question as to whether or not Rizzo touched first, and the DP is easy. It was just a perfect storm of circumstances. No fault anywhere.

To address your scenario, I don't know if the runner on 3rd broke for home on contact, or if he hesitated since the ball was hit hard and right at Rizzo. It very well may have been easier, but not necessarily smarter...if that makes sense.
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Post by: Playtwo on May 06, 2021, 09:28:38 am
The runner on second rule factors in as well.  You could make a case that under the old rules Rizzo should have gone home since there is a fairly low chance of scoring a run in the bottom of the inning.  However, the calculation changes when you know that you start the bottom of the inning with a man on second.  As it was, Rizzo made the smart move trying for the 3-6-3 DP.
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Post by: Reb on May 06, 2021, 12:22:01 pm
Same situation came up in 1960 WS, game 7, 9th inning.

Yankees down a run top of the 9th. Mantle on 1B, tying run (McDougald) at 3B. Berra batting.

Berra hits hard grounder to 1B. Here, 1Bman touches bag for out at 1B (unlike Rizzo) but Mantle, incredibly, goes back to 1B and eludes the tag—-and tying run scores from 3B. Correct baserunning play probably would have been to proceed to 2B and stop, allowing runner from 3B to score before tag applied (as discussed in the Costas segment). But, this stuff happens so fast in real time. See link below at 58:00 minute mark. Of course, bottom of the inning is Mazeroski walkoff.

On another point, if you’re interested on how the check swing rule has changed dramatically over time, go to 39.20 mark. Just before Hal Smith hit his historic 3-run homer in 8th inning that turned this game around for the Bucs on a 2-2 pitch, he checks his swing on a 1-2 pitch. As you’ll see, his checked swing goes around about halfway—an easy and obvious strike call today—but nobody says a peep when ump calls it a ball. Next pitch:  boom, home run. At 39:20.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MtnU4yno4o
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Post by: davep on May 06, 2021, 01:30:22 pm
The way the rule was interpreted at that time, the batter had to break his wrists in order to make it a swing.  It didn't matter how far the bat went when he swung.
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Post by: CurtOne on May 06, 2021, 01:42:28 pm
And I don't think home ump could get help from the base umps back then.
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Post by: craig on May 06, 2021, 01:45:11 pm
I know most of you guys seem to hate the runner-on-2nd rule.  But man, I humbly confess that I actually love it. 

1.  If it's pushing bedtime, I'm never conflicted about whether to stay up indefinitely long for an indefinitely distant ending. :).
 
2.  I actually love all the strategy.  Should we use a K-guy like Maples?  Should we walk a guy to set up the DP; even in the top half, if I know we'll get a decent shot to score a single tying run in the bottom?  Should we walk the bases full to get force at home, or will that be bad because then the pitcher is really conflicted if he gets behind in the count?  Should we bunt?  Should we pull the infield in, particularly in the top half?  Or should we play it more safe and conservative, and be a little bit willing to accept one run thinking we've got a fair chance to get that back?  Should the leadoff batter be super committed to going right side, or just try to hit the ball hard and get a hit, even if that involves hitting it hard left side?  Should pitcher throw a chase breaking ball in hopes of no-advancement K, or does that create too much wild-pitch risk?  The cool decision-making in the Rizzo-Baez play last night, etc..  Just so many fun and variably complex choices to balance.

3.  I just think every play is really interesting and intense, from the very first pitch on; and every half-inning is really intense, there aren't any boring pitches at all.  I love the intensity.  Most baseball innings, I'm able to have a game on in background while getting work done.  But man, for these extra-inning pitches I can't get anything productive done whatsoever, I just get sucked into the game and it's must-watch. 

I really think it's a fun improvement. 
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Post by: craig on May 06, 2021, 01:46:33 pm
.... It was just a perfect storm of circumstances. No fault anywhere....

Yup, agreed.
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Post by: Reb on May 06, 2021, 02:01:58 pm
And I don't think home ump could get help from the base umps back then.

Yeah, everything changed when the base umpires got involved. My understanding is that the base umps go by whether the bat passed the foul line, period. If yes, it’s a strike. That’s where the ump stands, so naturally that has become the criterion. That’s what they can see.

For me, I hate that. Way too many called strikes. Rulebook doesn’t define a “swing” or checked swing but comment to Rule 8.02 (c) refers to a “half swing” appeal to base ump.

Beats me how merely passing foul line on a swing is 1/2 of a swing. Would go back to the 0 degrees (top of home plate) Hal Smith era application, which seems more like 1/2 a swing. Maybe the 2B ump should rule on check swings, HAH.
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Post by: craig on May 06, 2021, 02:56:41 pm
reb, I don't know how to do it.  But I agree that hitters get called for strikes on way too many checked swings.  They've got to check it way too early in my book. 
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Post by: Reb on May 06, 2021, 03:28:35 pm
If MLB is looking to add offense, going back to the old check swing practices (leaving out the base umpires calling balls and strikes) might result in better hitting counts and fewer Ks.

Perhaps when robo umps are calling balls and strikes, the home plate ump will have the time to focus on the batter more and can do this alone. Can go back to the “breaking the wrists” practice that Dave P. noted, supplemented by 0 degrees bat.

Give the hitter a break. Now, even batters hit by a pitch occasionally get a check swing strike call when they move the bat awkwardly to get the heck out of the way of the pitch that is about to hit them. Beats me how that makes any sense.
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Post by: Playtwo on May 06, 2021, 03:45:59 pm
Good idea, Reb.
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Post by: CurtOne on May 06, 2021, 08:11:33 pm
One rule change I'd like to see is the suggestion to eliminate a third strike foul bunt results in an out.  If guys could bunt on any pitch it would force a lot of shifts to play "honest.". If the goal is to begin nullifying the shift and increase action...
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Post by: Bennett on May 07, 2021, 10:15:59 am
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Post by: Bennett on May 07, 2021, 10:17:28 am
MLB Network will be broadcasting three games on Friday, May 7 for out-of-market viewers. The schedule includes the Pittsburgh Pirates vs. the Chicago Cubs at 2:20 p.m. ET, the Washington Nationals vs. the New York Yankees at 7:05 p.m., and the Philadelphia Phillies vs. the Atlanta Braves at 7:20 p.m.

If you aren’t around a TV to check out this primetime MLB matchup, you can stream the game via MLBNetwork.com, via the MLB app, and through MLB.TV. But keep in mind that you need a cable-login subscription for MLB Network or an MLB.TV subscription. If you don’t have a cable login to access MLB Network for a live stream, you can get a free trial from YouTube TV, Hulu with Live TV, AT&T TV Now, FuboTV, or Sling TV to stream the games.

Pirates-Cubs will actually be MLB.TV’s free game of the day. So, if you’ve been meaning to give it a try, you can get in a little afternoon baseball. For local viewing, the game will air on AT&T SportsNet-PIT in the Pirates market and Marquee Sports Network in the Cubs market. Trevor Cahill and Zach Davies will start for Pittsburgh and Chicago, respectively. The Cubs are a -148 favorite at DraftKings Sportsbook while the Pirates are a +125 underdog. The two teams have split their first six matchups this season.
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Post by: dogstoothe on May 07, 2021, 11:36:19 am
Thanks Bennett.  Curt, man I hadn’t thought of that (perhaps because bunts are rare) but you are absolutely right!  Totally agree (can’t figure out how to “like” a post). 
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Post by: ticohans on May 07, 2021, 03:20:00 pm
Since Justin Turner shaved off the majority of his hideous chin rug, Colin Moran has to have the worst beard in MLB. From the shape of it, he must use a weed whacker to trim it. Unforgivable.
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Post by: mO on May 07, 2021, 03:38:13 pm
What the hell is Pederson doing?

Picked off first, but the Pirates are worse than the Cubs at run downs, so he's able to get back.  VERRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY next pitch, the catcher back picks and he's caught AGAIN!!!!
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Post by: CurtOne on May 07, 2021, 03:50:34 pm
It's a special trick play.  Joc's not very good at it.
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Post by: mO on May 07, 2021, 04:27:14 pm
Brothers about to walk in the tying run, top 9
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 07, 2021, 04:28:05 pm
It was a struggle but the Cubs are back at .500

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on May 07, 2021, 04:28:32 pm
Never underestimate the power of negative thinking.

Cubs win!!!
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Post by: Reb on May 07, 2021, 04:30:09 pm
Pederson is the Toast Of The Game.
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Post by: CurtOne on May 07, 2021, 04:45:20 pm
That was closer than it needed to be
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Post by: Bennett on May 07, 2021, 05:29:17 pm
https://youtu.be/DatbMXM4Xms
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Post by: Reb on May 07, 2021, 10:45:00 pm
Davies had one swing and miss today.

Guy is from another era when he’s right. 7 shutout innings and one whiff.
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Post by: Bennett on May 08, 2021, 10:17:37 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E03-w6JX0AAt5qr?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: Dave23 on May 08, 2021, 04:09:16 pm
Was wondering to myself why Ross went Vargas-Duffy instead of Duffy-Vargas there, to give Duffy a crack at the lefty...but I just looked, and Duffy has been better vs rightys over his career...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on May 08, 2021, 04:23:12 pm
Why was Baez replaced?
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Post by: Ron on May 08, 2021, 04:38:17 pm
Ho hum. Cubs won their 5th in a row.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 08, 2021, 04:53:41 pm
Why was Baez replaced?

Jordan Bastain
Ross said Javy had some back stiffness throughout the game. Decided in cold weather, it didn't make sense to keep him in late in the game. Removed out of caution. Was feeling better postgame.
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Post by: Bennett on May 08, 2021, 05:16:56 pm
https://youtu.be/TzHZ9jIiuL8
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Post by: Ron on May 08, 2021, 10:05:39 pm
Jordan Bastain
Ross said Javy had some back stiffness throughout the game. Decided in cold weather, it didn't make sense to keep him in late in the game. Removed out of caution. Was feeling better postgame.

Thanks.
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Post by: Bennett on May 09, 2021, 10:19:35 am
Wind in from left at 18 mph
Temperature near 50°

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 09, 2021, 01:43:07 pm
Hendricks with a 86.3 mph four seam fastball to Difo who singles driving in 2 runs.  3 - 0 Pirates still in top 1, pitch count climbing for Hendricks.
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Post by: CurtOne on May 09, 2021, 01:43:55 pm
Cubs and the Professor being pecked to death by a duck.
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Post by: Dave23 on May 09, 2021, 04:03:08 pm
The Crick slider looks a lot like the Wood slurve...
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Post by: Reb on May 09, 2021, 04:05:03 pm
Rizzo first HBP of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 09, 2021, 05:12:48 pm
The thing to do is move Hendricks into the bullpen.  Then he won’t give off this universal angst vibe every time he starts.  The weight of the game will be eased a bit and maybe then he can get some outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 09, 2021, 05:29:49 pm
I think a weak team like the Pirates is Hendricks kryptonite.  He needs a team like last year's Cubs...hard swingers who love to swing hard at hard cheese.  I'm surprised that pitchers don't hit him hard.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 09, 2021, 05:52:58 pm
In case anybody wants to watch the ninth inning

https://youtu.be/QqhgtMXv4Xo
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 09, 2021, 05:55:06 pm
Hendricks ERA against Pirates last five seasons:

1.98-3.27-2.81-2.55-0.47
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 09, 2021, 06:22:42 pm
The Pirates have had this exact same team five years in a row?  Wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 09, 2021, 06:27:41 pm
Just giving the facts.

Can interpret any way you want.
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Post by: CurtOne on May 09, 2021, 06:37:42 pm
I wasn't shading you.  I have always hated it when some announcers cite statistics as some kind of precursor to events.  "Willie has hit 109 homers against the Cubs over the years..."  So what, over the years are they the same pitchers?  The same manager and pitching coaches?  The same weather and hitting background?  How many other guys have hit a ton in that time period?  It's a meaningless stat that may be FACTS but don't prove much.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 09, 2021, 07:12:02 pm
Pirates HR rank in NL last five seasons:

13-14-13-14-12
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 11, 2021, 02:33:09 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 11, 2021, 02:43:58 pm
With David Bote as the DH and Nick Marisnik replaced by P Brad Weick, that leaves Javier Baez. Tony Wolters and Nick Martini on the bench.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 11, 2021, 03:26:50 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (17-17) at #Indians (18-14):
Angel Hernandez, Stu Scheurwater, Lance Barksdale, Ted Barrett (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 11, 2021, 04:05:09 pm
So KB is now Cody Bellinger, eh?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 11, 2021, 05:44:08 pm
Alzolay looking quite sharp in the first two innings.  Cubs ahead 1 - 0 on a double by Rizzo and a single by Contreras.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 11, 2021, 05:47:07 pm
Adbert through 2 —  29 pitches, 2 hits, 4 strikeouts, goose eggs for runs, no walks.  1 - 0 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 11, 2021, 06:03:30 pm
Adbert through 3 — 45 pitches, 4 K’s, 3 hits, 0 walks, double play grounder, goose eggs for runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 11, 2021, 06:16:07 pm
Are the announcers in Cleveland or Wrigley.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 11, 2021, 06:26:45 pm
Adbert through 4 — 65 pitches, 5 Ks, 0 walks, 4 hits, 1 homer  — tied at 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 11, 2021, 06:59:17 pm
Adbert through 5  —  80 pitches, 0 walks, 1 HBP, 5 Ks, 2HR, 3 ER, 1 stolen base. —  3 - 2  Cleveland Indians.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 11, 2021, 07:22:35 pm
Cubs have had lots of baserunners. Cubs have not had lots of runs.

Could use a clutch hit from Rizzo here.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 11, 2021, 07:23:56 pm
Nope. 1 for 11 RISP tonight. 12 baserunners, 2 runs.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on May 11, 2021, 08:03:45 pm
What happened to Bryant?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 11, 2021, 08:57:22 pm
Bryant was "under the weather".
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 11, 2021, 08:58:09 pm
https://youtu.be/EH-5cALt3ko
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 11, 2021, 10:49:20 pm
Tough loss.

11 hits including three doubles and a homer.  Plus 4 BB and a HBP.

= 2 runs scored.

1-12 RISP.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 12, 2021, 12:36:39 pm
Bennett?  You okay? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 12, 2021, 01:02:32 pm
Baez can stand in the box all day and not hit that Hentges hook...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 12, 2021, 01:07:43 pm
Cubs were 1-12 with RISP yesterday.

Today, 0-7 with RISP first three innings already.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 12, 2021, 01:17:54 pm
I love to see that ground ball double play to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 12, 2021, 01:23:14 pm
And it saddens me when the tables are turned.  No score heading to the bottom 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 12, 2021, 02:55:25 pm
Bryant pinch hits for Bote, gets hit flush on the wrist, has to leave game. Not great turn of events.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2021, 03:12:53 pm
The more the announcers gush about Duffy not k-ing that much, he starts k-ing. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2021, 03:38:08 pm
Vargas' bunting stance is horse shirt.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 12, 2021, 03:44:37 pm
Cubs w/ 15 baserunners today and only 1 run so far. That's painful.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on May 12, 2021, 03:49:03 pm
Sogard is painful.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 12, 2021, 03:53:12 pm
Keegan has 95 mph velo? Didn't realize he threw that hard... is that because he's coming out of the pen?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 12, 2021, 04:03:31 pm
Cubs take the L, but a really nice appearance in a really tough situation for Thompson. I was impressed.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 12, 2021, 04:13:10 pm
Someone refresh my memory...is Steele permanently a bullpen guy now, or is this a temporary thing?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 12, 2021, 05:20:37 pm
Sharma’s piece in The Athletic suggests that Thompson is headed for some regression because he isn’t missing bats. Either way, SSS for him all around. His mound demeanor is excellent, obviously, but that’s just one thing. Remains to be seen what his role will be. Maybe will get another look as a SP.

Steele seems very likely to stay a reliever. Things started to turn around for him when converted to relief. Cubs currently have three quality bullpen lefties. Can't remember last time that was the case. Will see how long that lasts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 12, 2021, 05:23:16 pm
Ross said post-game that Bryant has a contusion/bruise. Hope that any updates don’t turn out worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 12, 2021, 05:28:52 pm
So, after going 1-12 with RISP on Tuesday, Cubs today go 1-15 with RISP.

Not good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2021, 06:17:13 pm
Only bad thing I saw was Vargas trying to bunt 3 times.  After the first attempt, Rossy should have seen that the guy had no clue and put a pitcher up there.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 12, 2021, 06:32:56 pm
Someone refresh my memory...is Steele permanently a bullpen guy now, or is this a temporary thing?

I don't think that there are usually official pronouncements about things like that, but I suspect that he is there for the duration.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on May 12, 2021, 06:37:32 pm
Keegan has 95 mph velo? Didn't realize he threw that hard... is that because he's coming out of the pen?

He had a velocity jump, but he doesn’t seem to be able to miss bats.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 12, 2021, 06:43:11 pm
Cubs currently have three quality bullpen lefties.

Approaching four, depending on what one thinks of Wieck.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 12, 2021, 08:57:15 pm
He had a velocity jump, but he doesn’t seem to be able to miss bats.

Minor league numbers and write-ups give the impression that some k-ability is there. Will be interesting to see when those begin to materialize at the major league level.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 13, 2021, 02:23:12 pm
I don’t like this no lineup and no recap from Bennett.  I thought maybe he made a mistake about game time.  He should have posted by now though, even though no game today.  Bennett? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 14, 2021, 03:17:01 pm
Hoerner and Arrieta in tonight’s starting lineup.

Corresponding roster moves shortly.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 14, 2021, 08:44:26 pm
In case anyone is interested, the Cubs beat the Tigers 4 - 2.  Bryant with a two run homer.  Arrieta the winner, and Kimbrel with 3 straight strike outs to end the ball game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 14, 2021, 08:48:58 pm
Our two trade chips doing their thing.  Pump it up, pump it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 15, 2021, 02:42:21 pm
Pederson DH
Bryant LF
Báez SS
Rizzo 1B
Duffy 3B
Happ CF
Heyward RF
Sogard 2B
Wolters C
..................
SP: Williams
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 03:20:35 pm
Pederson triples to lead off.  Bryant walks. Baez strikes out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 03:24:30 pm
Rizzo doubles them both in and Cubs take a 2 - 0 lead into bottom first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 15, 2021, 03:38:26 pm
Anybody else seen enough of Trevor Williams?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 03:44:27 pm
27 pitches in the first, era up to 6.47, 3 runs in the first.  He’s got to go.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 03:51:43 pm
Cubs go down 1-2-3 in top second on nine pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 04:27:47 pm
Alec Mills in.  1 K. 1BB. 2 easy outs, Cubs up by one, top fourth
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 04:55:57 pm
Alec Mills can’t get it done, gives up 2 runs,  Steele comes in with Cubs down.  Lots of doubles in this game. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 05:17:21 pm
Duffy with a three run homer -  who woulda thunk it, Cubs back up by one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 05:30:51 pm
Winkler replaces Steele in the bottom half, Cubs up by one thanks to Curt’s man Duffy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 05:44:59 pm
Brothers replaces Winkler with 2 on and 2 out bottom 6 Cubs up by one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 05:50:14 pm
Brothers with the strikeout to end the inning. Going to the seventh.  Cubs up by one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 06:09:11 pm
Brothers with the bases loaded and one man out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 06:21:23 pm
Tied up.  Winner winner chicken dinner. End of 7.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 06:29:21 pm
It’s going to be up to Nico Hoerner in the ninth. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 06:41:22 pm
Thompson 3 up 3 down 3 Ks end of 8 tie score.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 15, 2021, 06:41:44 pm
Evidently, Keegan Thompson was unhappy about the "can't miss bats" narrative.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 06:50:10 pm
That’s right and he’s still in to pitch the bottom ninth- tie game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 06:58:27 pm
Can’t ask for anything more from Thompson — on to extra innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 07:05:06 pm
Duffy with another RBI, that’s five so far in this game, and the Cubs lead by one in extra innings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 07:09:42 pm
Kimbrel in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 07:18:44 pm
Kimbrel out.  Game over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 15, 2021, 07:27:18 pm
Two convictions:  I'm weary of the Trevor Williams act.  I hate the ghost runner rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 15, 2021, 08:06:49 pm
Big game for Hendricks tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 15, 2021, 08:31:32 pm
https://youtu.be/iCrUKZQEl_Q
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 15, 2021, 10:00:39 pm
Maples has easily been the best of his career this season (low bar) and he's pitched twice in 12 days.  If he can't even break the circle of trust at this point, probably time to end the experiment. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 16, 2021, 12:48:55 am
Maples is on a pace to pitch 60 innings, which seems about right..

Has pitched more innings than Brothers.

Usage isn’t necessarily a linear thing. Mills hadn’t pitched in nine days before tonight. It happens. Also, Cubs have had three off-days in last week-and-a-half.

Don’t see a problem with Maples usage. He’s probably not going to be a key guy until later when either there’s a need or has shown enough to satisfy Ross.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 16, 2021, 09:34:07 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 12:31:16 pm
Hendricks gets out of the first with two singles, a strikeout, and a double play, love those, 19 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 12:36:12 pm
Nothing so far for Cubs.  Bottom 2.  Good to see Bennett back at work.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 12:40:29 pm
7 pitches for Kyle in the second.  That helps.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:07:51 pm
Kyle with a pick-off at first.  Don’t see that much.  3 innings, no damage, 42 pitches.  Cubs with 1, top 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:20:16 pm
Cubs add another in 4th.  Double by Happ.  Nico legged out an infield single.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:23:37 pm
Another 7 pitch inning for Hendricks including a 3 pitch strikeout.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:29:37 pm
Baez 0 for 3 so far with 3 K’s.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:34:52 pm
Yet Another 7 pitch inning, again with a 3 pitch strikeout.  What’s up with Hendricks?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:51:12 pm
Bote with an RBI double, Hoerner with a sac fly RBI to the opposite field, Happ (3 for 3) with a home run.  5 - 0 bottom 6.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 01:57:36 pm
71 pitches through 6, no damage.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 02:16:06 pm
Duffy gets HBP for the second time.   Baez (after studying Nico Hoerner) finally makes contact and goes the other way.  Bases loaded for Bote with one out and he strikes out.  5 - 0 Cubs bottom 7.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 02:22:22 pm
81 pitches through 7, goose egg on the scoreboard for Detroit. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 02:33:21 pm
Coming in to pitch the bottom 8.  Good call Ross.  Let him build his self confidence if he can.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 02:41:00 pm
You have to let Hendricks start off the ninth, right?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 16, 2021, 03:04:00 pm
In a little trouble - Winkler in - ends the game with a 4-6-3 double play.  Cubs Win!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 16, 2021, 04:00:49 pm
Glad to see Kyle get his form back.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 16, 2021, 04:11:21 pm
https://youtu.be/RvlovqE-59c
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 17, 2021, 02:41:41 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 17, 2021, 02:49:12 pm
Umpires for #Nationals (16-20) at #Cubs (19-20):
Ben May, John Tumpane, Chris Conroy, Pat Hoberg (base assignments not confirmed until first pitch)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 17, 2021, 04:57:34 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 17, 2021, 05:24:19 pm
Lester batting eighth.  I’m putting a hundred on Adbert and Cubs right now. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 07:15:20 pm
Heyward hits an opposite-field homer to extend the Cubs' lead to 3-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 07:28:59 pm
Trea Turner hits a homer to trim the lead to 3-1.  Marquee doing the annoying thing where they add the run that is going to score as the batter is rounding first, meaning that if you suddenly tune in, you see "3-1" plus a batter rounding the bases and think that it's about to be 3-2 when he touches home plate.

In any case, Alzolay gets through the rest of the inning.  And Willson leads off the bottom half with another home run; it's 4-1.  This time Marquee did it the right way and didn't show "4-1" until he reached the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 07:33:15 pm
Rizzo rips a single to left-center and tries to stretch it to a double but is tagged at second by our old pal Starlin Castro.

And Javy swings at a terrible pitch to strike out and end the inning.  But the Cubs still lead, 4-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 17, 2021, 07:36:40 pm
Baez strikes out again.  Broken record with him.  Just put a K up there.  Does he lead the league in strikeouts?  Certainly he’s close.  And he’s no good in the clutch, he stinks in the clutch.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 07:38:41 pm
Yet another home run -- perhaps forgivable, because it comes from the Schwarb -- and it's a 4-3 game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 07:40:48 pm
Very spiffy 4-6-3 double play from Hoerner, Baez, and Rizzo to end the inning; Baez dodges the runner perfectly and Rizzo digs the throw out just in time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 17, 2021, 08:02:07 pm
Soto, Bell, Schwarber due up in 6th, so Ross pulls Alzolay after 63 pitches and pinch hits for him with Bote and runner in scoring position. Going to bring in the lefty. Unfortunately, Bote Ks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 08:03:40 pm
Cubs strand the leadoff baserunner and we go to the sixth still up 4-3.  Brothers coming in; let's hold this lead for Alzolay.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 17, 2021, 08:04:02 pm
52 strikeouts in 39 games for Baez.  Proud stat to share with the boys.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 08:14:39 pm
Brothers strikes Schwarber out, and with two outs and a man on first, Ross is making a pitching change. Tepera coming in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 08:18:43 pm
Tepera gets Starlin swinging and the Cubs are out of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 08:34:32 pm
Baez hits a home run to extend the Cubs' lead.

Eight runs today for both teams and all of them have jogged to home plate.  Not very exciting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 08:53:41 pm
Some alert baserunning from Nico, taking second on a wild pitch and then third when the throw goes into center field.

Sogard pinch hitting with Nico on third and he tries to bunt; it goes foul.  And now he gets a hit to bring Hoerner in; 6-3! 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:04:24 pm
Chafin comes in for the eighth and promptly gets Robles to fly to Heyward; the first fly out of the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:10:44 pm
With two out, Chafin walks Schwarber to load the bases.  This is the game right here.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:14:03 pm
Grounder to Nico's left; he ranges out to the outfield grass, grabs it, and fires to first to get the third out.  Great play and Chafin is pumped!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:21:09 pm
Rizzo smacks a double past Soto into the corner, and Baez is called out on a low pitch that missed the strike zone.

Duffy up with one out.  Let's get this insurance run in.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:25:55 pm
A hit from Heyward brings Rizzo in.  7-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 17, 2021, 09:29:51 pm
9X tonight Boog has added a g to Starlin's name.  It's annoying.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 17, 2021, 09:30:41 pm
https://twitter.com/cubs/status/1394476767507853319?s=21
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:31:35 pm
Nance in to make his major league debut.  He's wearing the very normal looking number 45.

And he gets his first big-league strikeout.  He'll be hanging on to that ball!

Two more outs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 17, 2021, 09:34:19 pm
That was an impressive debut for Nance.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 17, 2021, 09:36:39 pm
Cubs Win!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 17, 2021, 09:37:19 pm
Grounder to third and the Cubs win.  Welcome to the majors, Tommy Nance.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 17, 2021, 09:54:02 pm
If Nance can continue to throw strikes, maybe he’ll be a factor. Seems to have the heat and the breaking ball.

Well, it’s one inning.

But, interesting that Ross used him in that situation. Reports from Iowa must have been good.

30 year-old rookie. Awesome for him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on May 17, 2021, 10:44:08 pm
Nance through 3224 rpm curve. His breaking balls averaged 2959 rpm today. 

Dude might be what everyone wants Maples to be.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on May 17, 2021, 10:50:35 pm
Nance appearance today made him the 19993rd major league of all time. 7 away from 20k.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 18, 2021, 08:30:21 am
The Cubs should fill that in this season, all by themselves.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 18, 2021, 10:31:54 am
Nance appearance today made him the 19993rd major league of all time. 7 away from 20k.

Minor point, but Baseball Reference says 19,992nd.  Do you have a conflicting source?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 18, 2021, 10:34:08 am
The Cubs should fill that in this season, all by themselves.

I don't know if you're doing a bit, but I find that highly doubtful.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 18, 2021, 03:11:58 pm
63°    60% chance of light rain  wind out to left at 10 mph
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 18, 2021, 04:53:39 pm
The forecast is for light rain but the radar shows areas that could be a problem

(https://cdn.lmgcorporate.com/kmov/radar/animated-loops/comp/960x540/chicago80.gif)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 18, 2021, 05:02:14 pm
I guess the agreement with Pederson about starting against LHP has expired.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 18, 2021, 07:07:56 pm
The Marquee screen on a Cubs telecast is cluttered with way too many logos, tweets, ads, and other crap. 

Then there is their ticker.  Every time it goes around we have to see their social media info, upcoming programming, and that they are the exclusive home of the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 18, 2021, 08:27:54 pm
Baez strikes out again leaving two men on to end the inning.  What’s his WAR or whatever the hell it is?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 18, 2021, 08:31:53 pm
Castro’s homer was fourth Nats batted ball between 108 and 111 EV from 5th inning to Castro in 6th off Davies. Then, Harrison single at 104.

Ross has seen enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 18, 2021, 08:58:17 pm
Bote hits a two-run homer to retake the lead, then Keegan gets a hit and now an error puts runners on first and third with two outs and Bryant up.  Sure would be nice to tack on a few more runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 18, 2021, 09:24:52 pm
Castro’s homer was fourth Nats batted ball between 108 and 111 EV from 5th inning to Castro in 6th off Davies. Then, Harrison single at 104.

Ross has seen enough.
Right before the Harrison single, they showed a graphic detailing Davies’ BA, OBP and SLG against for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd times thru the order. The numbers the 3rd time thru were brutal.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 18, 2021, 10:04:03 pm
Kimbrel gets out old friends Schwarber and Castro to end the game. Cubs win 6-3


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 18, 2021, 10:05:54 pm
Sure is nice to be over .500 again. Let's hope we can stay there for a while.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 18, 2021, 10:23:49 pm
Winning is more fun, and so is having lots of hits and baserunners. 
Not sure how it will last, but having Hoerner getting lots of hits and good at bats is pretty helpful.  Will be interesting to see how long Duffy can remain pretty solid. 

Between Steele and Thompson, I have more confidence that Steele will be good over the long haul.  But the Keegan run is really fun while it's rolling.  His diversity of breaking pitches is kind of fun. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 19, 2021, 11:27:11 am
I was on ESPN looking at the box score of yesterday’s game and something is off - I know Nico went 3 for 4 with a strikeout, ESPN is saying 2 for 4 with an RBI and no K.  Scrolling down to the homers and doubles etc. it’s showing Duffy with a 3 run homer and Nico with a solo homer.  Of course trying it again the correct stats appeared.  Now if the above happens tonight with Duffy and Hoerner, it will freak me right out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 19, 2021, 02:46:26 pm
No Rizzo or Baez

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 19, 2021, 02:49:31 pm
MLB Network will be broadcasting four games on Wednesday, May 19th for out-of-market viewers. The schedule includes the White Sox vs. Twins at 1 p.m. ET, Rockies vs. Padres at 4 p.m., the Nationals vs. Cubs at 7:30 p.m., and and the Indians vs. Angels 8:00 p.m..
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 19, 2021, 08:07:19 pm
Arrieta through four, 72 pitches, 2 walks, 5 hits, 3 much earned earned runs, and why did we sign him anyway?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 19, 2021, 08:24:09 pm
Well to give up another run I guess.  4 runs on, what is it now, 88 pitches?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 19, 2021, 09:58:14 pm
Hey - A Maples sighting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 20, 2021, 11:15:49 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 20, 2021, 11:17:42 am
Scheduled day off for Bryant
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 01:15:19 pm
Feels like a must win game today, but the lineup isn’t formidable.  Who knows though.  Hoerner in the 6 spot where he can get maybe one more at bat.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 02:11:15 pm
Strike ‘em out throw ‘em out.  How is that scored.  1-2-6 DP?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 02:30:06 pm
Ian Happ pulls one, line drive 2 run homer.  3-2 Cubs end of 3.  The error by Castro costly.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 20, 2021, 02:46:29 pm
Higgins chokes up on the bat when he has two strikes against him.  He has already made a fan of me.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 02:57:40 pm
Baez grounds out to the pitcher with the bases loaded to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 03:16:16 pm
Happ with another one.  Guess he’s seeing the ball pretty good right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 03:25:12 pm
Steele looking good with some help from the umpire.  5-2 Cubs bottom 6.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 20, 2021, 03:36:13 pm
Baez grounds out to the pitcher with the bases loaded to end the inning.
And then does one worse by hitting into a DP w the bases loaded to end another inning.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 03:36:26 pm
With the bases loaded in the 6 with one out Baez hits into a double play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 03:47:29 pm
Coke on your money.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 20, 2021, 03:49:41 pm
Tepera K’s the side in the 7th. Still 5-2 Cubs, though it should be a lot more.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 04:30:36 pm
Kimbrel throwing hard and strikes out three to end the game.  Cubs Win!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 20, 2021, 04:40:56 pm
Nice win. 
*Fun to have Happ with a couple of HR's, his average is now up to .200. 
*Bote at .200, too. 
*Steele looked really good, he was throwing his curve for strikes.  Bummer that he pulled something. Too bad his sac bunt wasn't better, then he'd not have needed to hang out on the bases. 
*Hoerner is really good defensively. 
*Cubs bullpen has been really good.  Kimbrel is fun to watch when he's throwing strikes. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 20, 2021, 05:03:47 pm
The more I see of Hoerner, the more I am reminded of Kenny Hubbs, both defensively and offensively.  Like Baez, he makes more than his share of spectacular plays, but unlike Baez, he seldom seems to screw up the ordinary ones.

Still a very small sample size, but he has been impressive.

With Hoerner, Steele and Nance, that is three new guys that it looks like it will be fun to follow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 20, 2021, 05:42:40 pm
How did four inning Williams beat out anyone with two arms for a rotation start?  This guy is better than Alec Mills?

Davep, there are only 5 or 6 guys on this board who ever saw Hubbs play.  But I agree with you.  Kid, stay away from airplanes.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 20, 2021, 06:26:59 pm
Very few ever win a Gold Glove in their second year.  I also remember him as diving for the balls, something Cubs players seldom bothered to do.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 20, 2021, 06:40:48 pm
I like the way he becomes a hitter when he’s up to bat, if he gets on base he becomes a base runner, on defense he becomes a fielder, strikes out some but not much.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 20, 2021, 07:19:26 pm
https://youtu.be/InqyBVcDN20
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 20, 2021, 07:52:03 pm
Kenny Hubbs was a terrific defensive second baseman (as is Hoerner).  But Hoerner seems to have the potential to be a far superior offensive player.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 20, 2021, 08:29:03 pm
Keep in mind that Hubbs played his final season at age 21.

Hoerner just turned 24.

Really hard to project what kind of offense Hubbs might have shown a few seasons later.

Dave, Hubbs won his gold glove his rookie season—-only had a cup of coffee year before when age 19.

I’ve mentioned this a few times here before, sorry, but got a chance to meet and talk with Hubbs and some of his family in 1963. They drove to Dodger Stadium from the family home and I was an autograph hound when I was 13 and was there hours before the game for autographs with nobody else in sight except me and my pal. Had plenty of time and talked a bit. Really devastated me when heard about his plane going down but kind of cemented me as a Cubs fan going forward.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 20, 2021, 09:03:21 pm
Kenny Hubbs was a terrific defensive second baseman (as is Hoerner).  But Hoerner seems to have the potential to be a far superior offensive player.

Probably, although Hubbs was considered to have substantial offensive potential at the time.  Of course, offense was looked on differently at the time.  Hubbs was roundly criticized for his large number of strike outs at the time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 20, 2021, 10:23:57 pm
When I said only 5 guys on here would have seen Hubbs play, I was thinking me, Davep, P2, Bennett, and Reb.    Good guesses.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 21, 2021, 04:09:27 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 21, 2021, 04:10:28 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (22-21) at #STLCards (25-18):
Mark Ripperger, Phil Cuzzi, Erich Bacchus, Tom Hallion
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 21, 2021, 07:04:02 pm

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Saturday


Boston @ Philadelphia
 
Chi Cubs @ St. Louis
 
LA Dodgers @ San Francisco
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 21, 2021, 08:09:51 pm
Ross needs to rethink his lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 21, 2021, 08:39:24 pm
55 pitches through 5 innings for Hendricks, Cubs lead 2-1. He's got a chance to go all the way tonight. Cubs need to add at least a couple runs so that it isn't necessary to go to a pinch hitter at some point, though.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 21, 2021, 08:52:48 pm
This is the beginning of the end of this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 21, 2021, 08:53:37 pm
And Hendricks falls apart in the 6th. It's tied, runners at second and third with 1 out, and Arenado up. This game changed a lot in 9 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 21, 2021, 08:55:23 pm
IBB to Arenado, so here comes the big hit from Molina.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 21, 2021, 08:58:00 pm
Hendricks escapes, still tied.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 21, 2021, 09:08:39 pm
Cubs up 4 - 2
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 09:09:18 pm
Cubs take a 4-2 lead as Joc comes around to score on a Bryant double off the wall.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 09:29:24 pm
With two outs, Rizzo fumbles a grounder and the Cardinals keep the inning alive with runners on first and third.  Ross is lifting Hendricks and bringing Nance into what must be the biggest situation of the rookie's career.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 21, 2021, 09:36:50 pm
This is the beginning of the end of this season.

Yes, but more specifically, it’s the beginning of the second quartile of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 21, 2021, 09:37:53 pm
Sloppy defense for the Cubs tonight. Two unearned runs for Hendricks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 21, 2021, 09:48:59 pm
I'm stuck with the Cardinal announcers tonight.  Seems like every time they hype a Cardinal or play it backfires.  They also are behind on Cub info.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 09:53:09 pm
After a Sogard single to bring Happ in, Webb walks Bryant with the bases loaded to force another run in.  Good take by Bryant on the inside pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on May 21, 2021, 09:54:54 pm
Anybody else think Nico was stealing signs when Joc was up.  It seemed like when Webb threw a fastball Nico would go to his helmet.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 10:02:50 pm
A bases-loaded double down the line for Rizzo brings in two more runs; Contreras is out at home.

Now Baez lines a hit to the gap, scoring Rizzo.  10-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 10:05:54 pm
Another hit from Happ, almost identical to Rizzo's, and the inning continues.  Runners at second and third for Bote.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 21, 2021, 10:07:26 pm
Cubs plate 8 in the 8th (on 6 hits) to go up 12-3. And two of the three outs were on the bases. Nice inning, boys.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 10:08:04 pm
Bote gets a hit down the left field line and two more runs come in before he gets tagged trying to stretch it into a double.

Cubs lead 12-3 going to the bottom of the eighth.  It will be a save situation if Nance finishes the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 21, 2021, 10:24:29 pm
Ross pinch hit for Nance near the beginning of the big inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 21, 2021, 10:39:09 pm
A scoreless ninth from Wieck, and the Cubs win 12-3.  Two games over .500, and only two games out of first place.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 21, 2021, 11:28:08 pm
https://youtu.be/jmOwxngniKg
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 22, 2021, 02:12:23 pm
Anybody else think Nico was stealing signs when Joc was up.  It seemed like when Webb threw a fastball Nico would go to his helmet.
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 22, 2021, 02:14:01 pm
I sure do.  That’s his job when he gets to second base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 22, 2021, 02:56:14 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 22, 2021, 06:28:09 pm
Is that Cuzzi behind the plate?

He rang up Happ before the ball even got to Molina...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robert L on May 22, 2021, 07:16:04 pm
fox sucks
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 22, 2021, 07:29:02 pm
Mikolas leaves as he warms up to start the top of the 5th.  Ponce De Leon coming in.  Why don't they send out a backup catcher for his unlimited warmups instead of making Molina do it?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 22, 2021, 07:35:22 pm
Ponce de Leon's name nearly wraps around to the front of his uniform
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 22, 2021, 08:20:02 pm
Ponce de Leon's name nearly wraps around to the front of his uniform

At least they gave him the dignity of using small letters for the "de" -- the Cardinals didn't use to do that; they wrote all capitals all the time, so instead of McGWIRE and McEWING they had MC GWIRE and MC EWING, which looked awful.

I hope Ponce de Leon pitches until he's in his 40s so that the announcers can start with the "fountain of youth" references.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on May 22, 2021, 08:24:04 pm
Alzolay's excellent out ruined.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 22, 2021, 08:27:35 pm
Alzolay's excellent out ruined.
not really.  I think the kid has done great.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 22, 2021, 08:38:21 pm
After Joc strikes out swinging at a neck-high pitch, Bryant singles and Contreras walks on four pitches, so maybe we can get a rally going.  Rizzo coming up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 22, 2021, 08:44:01 pm
Rizzo whiffs on a bad pitch and Baez flies out to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 22, 2021, 08:55:15 pm
Keegan Thompson pitches a scoreless eighth, and the Cubs are coming up for their last chance to tie it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 22, 2021, 09:04:04 pm
With the Cubs down to their last out, Hoerner hits a very weak grounder that sits right on the foul line, veers foul by a millimeter or two, then appears to have just its edge back on the line at the instant Arenado grabs it; it is called fair.

Huge opportunity for Martini here; if he fails, the game is over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 22, 2021, 09:05:42 pm
Martini flies to the left field corner to end the game; Cardinals win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 22, 2021, 09:53:40 pm
https://youtu.be/euWx4S5vhBc
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 23, 2021, 02:45:13 pm
The third, final, and rubber game of the series coming up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 23, 2021, 02:58:06 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 07:19:46 pm
Bottom of the fourth, 0-0.  Bader hits a seeing-eye double right over the third-base bag, and the next batter hits a liner to second that Hoerner ranges back for, grabs, and throws to second to double Bader off.  It saves a run as Edmundo Sosa hits another double, this time to the right side.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 07:22:35 pm
Edman is put on with a semi-intentional walk to get to Wainwright, who is a good-hitting pitcher; Davies was trying to walk him the entire time but one of the outside pitches was called a strike.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 07:29:32 pm
The umpire is only 30 years old.  He was a high school freshman when Wainwright and Molina broke into MLB.  He's been fooled by Molina's framing all night and that's what Ross was bitc hing about and got tossed.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 23, 2021, 07:37:12 pm
Don’t think it’s really framing. Ump just doesn’t know the strike zone very well.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 07:52:54 pm
The umpire is only 30 years old.  He was a high school freshman when Wainwright and Molina broke into MLB.  He's been fooled by Molina's framing all night and that's what Ross was bitc hing about and got tossed.

I really, really hate the concept of catcher framing.  I can't wait for electronic strike zones to send it to history's dustbin.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 23, 2021, 08:04:39 pm
I agree.  At this point in his career, the umpire isn't very good when it comes to the strike zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 08:11:38 pm
Dave and Reb, I agree, but Ross got tossed because those close pitches were being stolen. 
See if it's mentioned postgame.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 08:12:08 pm
Cards have runners on first and second with nobody out and Wainwright is staying in to hit for himself.

Nance is being lifted and Tepera will be the new pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 08:19:00 pm
Cubs get the lead runner on a Wainwright bunt but the call is missed and without a challenge, it’s now bases loaded w nobody out.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 08:20:22 pm
Hoerner gets an out at the plate. Goldschmidt up w one down, bags still loaded.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 23, 2021, 08:20:23 pm
We just got Cuzzi’d...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 08:20:58 pm
Popped him up. Two down. Just gotta get Arenado now...


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 08:21:25 pm
Terrible missed call from the umpires as Tepera fields the bunt, throws to third, but pulls Bote off the bag but not so early that he can't keep his foot on the base; he also nicks runner Sosa's foot with his glove on the slide into the bag.  But somehow the third base umpire misses both, and the Cubs don't have a challenge.

The next batter hits a grounder to Hoerner who throws home, so Sosa is finally out.

One out for Goldschmidt, who pops to Contreras.

Now Nolan Arenado with the bases loaded and two outs.  What a miracle it will be if the Cubs can get out of this.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 08:23:13 pm
Another horrible strike call from this umpire.  It was two or three inches outside to the right-hand-hitting Arenado.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 08:26:46 pm
K!!! What a job by Tepera! Let’s get some runs!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 08:28:05 pm
Tepera goes to the expanded part of the strike zone and Arenado whiffs at it; Cubs get out of it.  (See, other teams blow bases-loaded-no-outs chances too!)

Now let's put some runs on the board; this could be a huge win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 08:45:00 pm
Cubs have as many errors as hits (1), but somehow still find themselves in a scoreless game after 8, with a great chance to steal one.

Pinch-hitter and top of the order due up in the top of the 9th.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 08:46:53 pm
Another scoreless inning from our bullpen.

Let's get some runs here and win this game in nine innings.  No desire to do the extra-inning imaginary runner clown show.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 08:52:55 pm
KB with another 2-out single to double our hits for the night. Up to Willson.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 08:58:47 pm
Wainwright was good tonight but the Cubs just would not adjust to this bad umpire.  He should have been hit around.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 23, 2021, 09:13:09 pm
Yeah, the bad umpire should have been hit around (or at least slapped around) but Wainwright had a great curve tonight and total command of his fastball. Ump helped of course (for Davies too).

Vintage Wainwright in top form. Did the same thing against the Nats a month ago.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 23, 2021, 09:14:04 pm
Hey, Cubs got a runner to 2B!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:16:44 pm
Javy!!!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:17:05 pm
That’s one better than a sac fly!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:18:13 pm
417 feet to dead center!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 23, 2021, 09:23:29 pm
Extra innings and things (life) looking bleak but Javy Baez hits a two run homer into dead away center field.  2-0 Cubs still top 10.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:26:19 pm
Do you let Kimbrel hit with men on here, or pinch hit and trust it to Maples?


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 23, 2021, 09:27:56 pm
You have to pinch hit. But the Cubs have to have someone better than Maples left in the bullpen. There's no way they can go to him in this situation unless they score several more runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 09:28:24 pm
I would rather trust Brothers
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 23, 2021, 09:28:48 pm
Kimbrel hitting for himself after all. I'll take Kimbrel with a 2 run lead over Maples with a 5 run lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:28:58 pm
Kimbrel hits. I think I agree.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 09:29:55 pm
In total agreement with Curt on the importance of corporal punishment for bad umpires.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 23, 2021, 09:33:42 pm
To be honest, I am not at all confident right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 09:37:41 pm
I want announcers who don't keep mentioning that Bryant, Baez. Rizzo, Contreras, will all be gone if the Cubs don't do something.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 23, 2021, 09:42:27 pm
Kimbrel is just not a two inning pitcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:44:20 pm
This is nerve-wracking.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 23, 2021, 09:45:51 pm
Still not confident.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 09:46:29 pm
Somehow Kimbrel gets a called strikeout for the second out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:47:56 pm
Two great pitches that somehow get two takes. Finish him...


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 09:48:10 pm
YESSSS!!!!!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 23, 2021, 09:49:13 pm
I'm starting to feel a little more confident.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 23, 2021, 09:49:47 pm
A swinging strike on a pitch in the dirt wins it for the Cubs.

So we take two out of three and outscore them by about 10.  Nice.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 10:34:52 pm
Kimbrel is just not a two inning pitcher.
I disagree, Dave.  The man has struggled with the man on second bs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 23, 2021, 10:45:41 pm
He also had to sit through a long top of the 10th and go through a 6-pitch at-bat. Took a pretty good hack too. Glad he didn’t hurt himself!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 23, 2021, 11:07:26 pm
https://youtu.be/h4rPSUMR5pg
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 23, 2021, 11:39:02 pm
Being in Cardinal land, I'm rather enjoying the fact that our guys pulled it out in spite of poor umping behind the plate and a horrible call at third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 24, 2021, 07:16:32 pm
Maybe the White Sox can help us out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 25, 2021, 02:36:03 pm
Higgins behind the plate

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 25, 2021, 02:49:43 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (24-22) at #Pirates (18-28):
Bill Miller, Doug Eddings, Gabe Morales, Ryan Additon
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 25, 2021, 05:56:26 pm
That was a horrible 0-2 pitch to Stallings.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 25, 2021, 05:58:44 pm
Starting out just like I thought it would, in the hole by two.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 25, 2021, 06:21:13 pm
Maybe if he takes off his clothes and pitches naked . . . then everybody can laugh at his mighty sword.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 25, 2021, 06:25:25 pm
Doggie, what are you drinkin?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 25, 2021, 06:45:29 pm
Moonshine baby, you get it up there at 120, 130, and now you’re talking turkey.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 25, 2021, 07:21:28 pm
That sucks.  Hoerner out with what looks like more than a minor hamstring injury.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on May 25, 2021, 07:28:29 pm
Why are there so many hamstring injuries on plays where guys are just running a play out?  Too much muscle, not enough conditioning?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 25, 2021, 07:35:41 pm
Why are there so many hamstring injuries on plays where guys are just running a play out?  Too much muscle, not enough conditioning?
  Zambrano destroyed all the Gatorade containers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 25, 2021, 08:30:18 pm
Ruh roh. Leadoff double in the bottom of the 9th. Flyout moves him to 3rd w one out.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 25, 2021, 08:32:37 pm
No worries, Vargas is up...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 25, 2021, 08:38:22 pm
The Cubs pen continues to dominate. I really thought (and kind of hoped) we would be sellers this season, but we could be a half game out of the first place at the end of the day if the Sox-Cards score holds.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 25, 2021, 08:46:57 pm
Higgins with a good job catching Kimbrel’s stuff tonight with a runner in scoring position all inning after first pitch.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 25, 2021, 10:03:26 pm
https://youtu.be/ffxhqx7yuME
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 26, 2021, 03:54:12 pm
47% chance of light rain

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 26, 2021, 05:52:02 pm
Rain delay now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 26, 2021, 07:08:14 pm
Trevor Williams getting on the vibe.  4 K’s thru 3, no runs and no walks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 26, 2021, 07:32:59 pm
Now through 5. 1 hit, 6 Ks, 55 pitches. Can he get past 5 for only the second time all year?


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on May 26, 2021, 07:39:34 pm
And two hits, to boot.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 26, 2021, 08:19:14 pm
The four seam fastball seems to be the ticket.  Great outing by Williams, he could have gone a couple more, his pitch count was low.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 26, 2021, 08:49:53 pm
Mound visit because runner on second is going to steal signs, like he’s supposed to do.  Feeling funny about Kimbrel.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 26, 2021, 08:58:58 pm
Interesting.  I don't believe I have ever seen that.  Kimbrel was concerned that the runner on second was stealing signs, so since the run didn't matter one way or the other, he intentionally committed a balk, sending the runner to third, where he was not a sign stealing threat.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 26, 2021, 08:59:03 pm
Stupid funny feeling.  Cubs win! Kimbrel mows ‘em down.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 26, 2021, 08:59:32 pm
Anyway, he struck out the batter.  Cubs win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 26, 2021, 09:14:02 pm
I think Kenley Jansen pulled that balk trick a few years ago, to tremendous praise.  Props to Kimbrel for striking the hitter out and not even letting the not-so-important run score.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 26, 2021, 09:52:40 pm
Bryant has been so good.  Defensively he seems excellent everywhere.  He fielded a sharp grounder and started a really good double play with a really excellent throw.  Driving in the 4th run was really nice.  I haven't gotten to see tons of action, but he's been a pleasure to see when I've been able to watch. 

Winkler has been really good.  His stuff just moves so much, it's kinda neat.  And having Nance just pop up out of nowhere and suddenly he's in the core bullpen rotation is neat too. 

Bullpen is such a meritocracy, and so unpredictable.  who'd have guessed that Justin Steele, Keegan Thompson, and Tommy Nance would become key bullpen guys, guys they often go to while winning.  Fun. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 26, 2021, 10:03:23 pm
https://youtu.be/ykyJ-h6hdXM
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 26, 2021, 10:34:39 pm
I think Kenley Jansen pulled that balk trick a few years ago, to tremendous praise.  Props to Kimbrel for striking the hitter out and not even letting the not-so-important run score.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-intentional-balk/
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 27, 2021, 12:02:17 am
Thanks, Reb. I had completely forgotten that it was against us that Jansen pulled that maneuver.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 08:56:49 am
The MLB Network is televising the Cubs/Pirates and the Rockies/Mets.  Consult your local listings.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 27, 2021, 10:05:31 am
Bryant has been so good.  Defensively he seems excellent everywhere.  He fielded a sharp grounder and started a really good double play with a really excellent throw.  Driving in the 4th run was really nice.  I haven't gotten to see tons of action, but he's been a pleasure to see when I've been able to watch. 

Winkler has been really good.  His stuff just moves so much, it's kinda neat.  And having Nance just pop up out of nowhere and suddenly he's in the core bullpen rotation is neat too. 

Bullpen is such a meritocracy, and so unpredictable.  who'd have guessed that Justin Steele, Keegan Thompson, and Tommy Nance would become key bullpen guys, guys they often go to while winning.  Fun. 

Not to mention Tepera, who is not much behind Winkler, and Chaffin, who has been less spectacular, but perhaps more consistent than many of the others.  And Brothers, who is beginning to become effective with his already excellent stuff.

As has been pointed out, bull pen pitchers are by far the most inconsistent from season to season.  But middle relievers and set up men are becoming much more valuable on the trading market.  Given the current surplus, and the uncertainty of the Cubs future strategy, the next few weeks might be a great time to see what they could get for a couple of them, perhaps Winkler and Brothers.  If they can strengthen their farm system, especially with position players, it might give them a strong reason to start negotiating with Bryant, Rizzo and Baez, to see if they can retain one or two of them, and trade the ones they can't retain.

Regardless of their recent spurt, I still don't regard the Cubs as a legitimate World Series challenger.  It is still possible, with a great amount of luck, but luck is not a strategy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 11:26:11 am
Meritocracy.  Your brain files are sure in great shape, craig.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on May 27, 2021, 11:36:29 am
With Darvish heading the rotation they could have contended. Still can't believe that move.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 27, 2021, 11:44:34 am
Since Theo's departure, most of Hoyer's moves have been odd.  I'm starting to think that Theo's main role was keeping Hoyer from giving away the farm. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 12:18:22 pm
I can't believe what I just saw...and I'm sure I'll never see it again...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 12:22:04 pm
For those who watch after the fact...don't miss the top of the 3rd inning...you'll never see it again...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 12:26:26 pm
Here's a hint...Javy being Javy...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on May 27, 2021, 12:32:00 pm
It was almost like he was picking on the poor Pirates, like they were a little league team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 12:33:01 pm
https://twitter.com/watchmarquee/status/1397968234398294019?s=21
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 12:35:12 pm
https://twitter.com/cubs/status/1397965478027530246?s=21
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 12:37:16 pm
Thanks Dave!!  Too much!!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 12:44:24 pm
As JD said, what was the 1B thinking?  All he had to do was go touch the first base bag and the inning was over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 12:48:11 pm
Or simply tag Javy at any time, or simply throw the ball to someone at 1B...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 27, 2021, 12:51:13 pm
that was all two outs, right?  So Contreras scoring before the out was made was not an issue, right?  Even after Contreras scored, a good throw to 1B would have still taken care of things? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 12:57:03 pm
Maybe the MLB highlights will replay the Pittsburgh announcers and how they called the play.  That ought to be fun.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 12:59:59 pm
Right.  Would the force at first nullified the run if catcher had made good throw?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 01:08:34 pm
1B must have thought only one out — gonna tag Baez and keep Contreras at third.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 01:11:51 pm
https://youtu.be/s60hHhEDtbw
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 01:12:32 pm
One of the amazing things is that FOUR Pirates messed up on the play.

1. 3B starts the festivities with a poor throw. 2. 1B obviously for being a knucklehead. 3. Catcher for bothering with runner at home, failing to just tag Javy instead, and failing to make a better throw back to 1B. 4. 2B for being late to cover 1B after the play at the plate. Maybe add the pitcher as messing up for failing to punch out the rest of his infield at some point.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 27, 2021, 01:18:06 pm
I wonder how many Pirate fans realize they are being swept by the Iowa Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 01:25:28 pm
Maybe the MLB highlights will replay the Pittsburgh announcers and how they called the play.  That ought to be fun.

Scroll down a bit on the link.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/05/27/even-the-pirates-broadcast-was-completely-awestruck-by-javy-baez-thats-amazing/
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 01:30:44 pm
Cubs lead 4-2 after 6.     David Bednar in to pitch for the Pirates.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 27, 2021, 01:36:21 pm
One of the amazing things is that FOUR Pirates messed up on the play.

1. 3B starts the festivities with a poor throw. 2. 1B obviously for being a knucklehead. 3. Catcher for bothering with runner at home, failing to just tag Javy instead, and failing to make a better throw back to 1B. 4. 2B for being late to cover 1B after the play at the plate. Maybe add the pitcher as messing up for failing to punch out the rest of his infield at some point.

If the catcher had merely tagged Baez at the plate after Contreras scored, would that have nullified the run?  Certainly, tagging first base would have, but would the same thing apply if he had been tagged after home plate was crossed?  I doubt that the rule ever took that into consideration, but it would depend upon the exact wording of the rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 27, 2021, 01:42:26 pm
Thanks, Reb.  That's great.   I think Javy has a way of taunting the other team so they forget their fundamentals.  Javy started jogging back toward home just slow enough to tease Craig to chase him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 01:45:28 pm
Perez homers for the Pirates to make it 4-3 Cubs after seven.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 01:53:27 pm
Tag Baez, and the inning is over. No runs scored.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 01:55:16 pm
20+ Pirates messed up. All of them should have been yelling.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 02:00:35 pm
He’s hard to tag, that Baez, doesn’t like to be tagged, c’mon and try to tag me, he says.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 02:19:18 pm
If the catcher had merely tagged Baez at the plate after Contreras scored, would that have nullified the run?  Certainly, tagging first base would have, but would the same thing apply if he had been tagged after home plate was crossed?  I doubt that the rule ever took that into consideration, but it would depend upon the exact wording of the rule.

Yes, tagging Baez is treated the same as a force at the bag. He’s still a forced runner and the run does not count, as the third out is a forceout.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 02:37:57 pm
I think Javy has a way of taunting the other team so they forget their fundamentals.  Javy started jogging back toward home just slow enough to tease Craig to chase him.

I think similar things can happen in other, non-baseball contexts too.

Think of anybody doing something so creative or unorthodox—-other folks sometimes react in unpredictable ways too, foolishly, or inspired, or unorthodox in their own way. Not so easy to be level-headed around a character like Javy doing his thing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 02:38:09 pm
Nice SAVE Ryan!

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 27, 2021, 02:46:12 pm
Wow, that was really a terrific save for Tepera.  Two K's and three routine grounders, even though Javy errored one of them.  Threw about one chase ball, otherwise seemed like he was 0-1, 0-2 on everybody.  No drama entering bases-loaded 8th, just threw strikes.  And no drama after the leadoff error in the 9th.  Really nice outing. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 03:16:10 pm
Tepera and Winkler were both really good today, and have been their past few outings...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 03:20:08 pm
Nice analysis of the "Baez" play.  It points out that a key part of the play was the failed pickoff that allowed Willson Contreras to reach second.

They also point out that the 1B at one point obstructed Javy when he tried to reverse course and head back to first.

https://youtu.be/nrjG4HSdXm8
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 03:25:27 pm
Winkler has been terrific lately, but not today.

Went up 0-2 on leadoff hitter and then walked him. Gave up a cheap hit but lucked out when hitter tried to advance and was tagged out. Then walked another guy and then hit a batter, loading the bases with two outs. Tepera came in and got the third out.

Winkler’s stuff moves like crazy but, from time to time, struggles to throw strikes, as today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 03:30:39 pm
https://youtu.be/abBJxAoznbI
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 27, 2021, 03:56:55 pm
I don't think I've ever seen a play like that crazy infield hit off Winkler, which reflected some of the complexities of some shift plays.  I suspect that Green and the analytics and the infielders might talk that one over, I suspect Bote maybe didn't play that one quite perfectly.  But everything happens so fast, hard to diagnose on the fly.   

Runner on 1st, lefty batter, shift on.  With runner on, Bryant is on the bag, so not one of the no-hold shifts where Hoerner is playing in shallow RF.  Sogard was only a step or two onto the grass, Baez stayed on the SS side of 2nd but he was still shading a bit up the middle, and Bote was playing pretty much like where a normal 2B might play. Baez and Bote were almost equidistant from 2b, and almost equally deep, right at the edge of the grass.  Sharp grounder up the middle, Baez made a fine diving stop not far from 2nd, stretched out to stop it on the RF side of the bag.  Less than two body lengths from the bag.  Normally on a hard grounder up the middle that either middle infield snags, the other middle infielder covers the bag and takes the force throw.  But with both guys equidistant from the bag, and the ball almost right over the bag, both players went for the ball, and Baez's diving stop carried him toward the RF side.  Bote was heading towards center to try to stop the ball, not to the bag.  So when Baez laid out, Bote was kinda behind him, sorta distant from the bag, and had to take a circuitous route to the bag.  Baez made the stop with plenty of time to get the force, but then had nobody to throw it to.  After using up time preparing to throw to 2B only to find nobody there, he threw way wild to 1st.  Had Bote more quickly chosen to cover the bag instead of heading towards center, or simply been unblocked by Baez, it could have been a great stop and a nice force play.  If Baez hadn't anticipated somebody being at 2nd to receive the short throw, he'd have had time to pop up and get the runner at 1st. 

Just a really crazy play.  Really lucky Frazier in the split second chose to try to advance to 2nd on the crazy throw, but Bryant got a great bounce and Bryant's throw beat Frazier to 2nd by a mile, so got an out anyway. 

Another interesting thing is that Difo may have actually gotten to 3rd even if Baez hadn't made the crazy throw.  Baez was on the ground behind 2nd; Bote was kind of bopping around off-balance on and off 2nd; I'm not sure there would have been anybody there to take a throw at 3rd even if Baez had not thrown to first, and if Difo had realized there was an uncovered 3B?  Some crazy scenarios emerge sometimes with the shifts. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 04:16:36 pm
True enough on Winkler today, results-wise...I was only half-watching that half inning, but his stuff looked good from what I saw...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 04:21:16 pm
Yeah, Winkler’s stuff is terrific.

His CAREER opposition BA is .202—and he’s even better than that this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 27, 2021, 04:24:10 pm
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1397975925971632128?s=20

"The calliopes can be heard from here to Sewickly"
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 04:27:55 pm
Team   W   L   Pct   GB   Home   Road   East   Central   West   Last 10   Streak
Chi Cubs   27   22   .551   -   16 - 9   11 - 13   8 - 6   14 - 13   3 - 0   8 - 2   W 4
St. Louis   27   22   .551   -   15 - 10   12 - 12   10 - 10   13 - 7   3 - 3   4 - 6   W 1
Milwaukee   25   25   .500   2.5   12 - 14   13 - 11   4 - 9   12 - 9   8 - 3   5 - 5   W 1
Cincinnati   21   26   .447   5   11 - 13   10 - 13   1 - 1   10 - 8   6 - 14   3 - 7   L 1
Pittsburgh   18   31   .367   9   8 - 14   10 - 17   1 - 3   7 - 19   5 - 6   1 - 9   L 6
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on May 27, 2021, 04:32:49 pm
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1397975925971632128?s=20

"The calliopes can be heard from here to Sewickly"

Pirates announcers dropping obscure circus instrument references. Wow. Deep clown cuts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 27, 2021, 04:40:08 pm
That’s hilarious...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 04:41:09 pm
Take a look at the photo in this link—-the sixth image down in the link.

If somebody showed you that photo and you’d never seen the video as to what happened, how might you explain how and why all those players are around home plate???

You might think attempted steal of home but how to explain the 1B so near the plate?

If saw only the photo, impossible to explain how everybody is there.

https://www.mlb.com/news/javier-baez-s-amazing-pickle-in-gifs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 27, 2021, 04:46:52 pm
Pirates announcers dropping obscure circus instrument references. Wow. Deep clown cuts.

That's a job where you damn well better have a sense of humor.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 27, 2021, 04:48:41 pm
One more thing about the play.

I posted a link the other day showing that Contreras was Cubs most efficient baserunner so far this season in terms of taking the extra base.

Let’s also give Contreras credit for running hard to home from 2B on the batted ball and helping to create the chaos with the play at the plate.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 27, 2021, 04:52:48 pm
Great point, reb.  Yeah, you'd have to guess it was a suicide squeeze and that both the pitcher and the 1B were charging hard to defend a possible bunt.  Maybe the pitcher might get that close, but no way would even a charging Rizzo be THAT close....  Amazing. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 27, 2021, 04:58:32 pm
One more thing about the play.

I posted a link the other day showing that Contreras was Cubs most efficient baserunner so far this season in terms of taking the extra base.

Let’s also give Contreras credit for running hard to home from 2B on the batted ball and helping to create the chaos with the play at the plate.

When I first watched it, I didn't realize there were two outs.  So I assumed the 1B was doing what he did to prevent Contreras from scoring before he got Baez out.  But even *if* my namesake Craig thought there was only one out, he still had the play and Contreras right in front of him.  Craig had clear sightline to see Contreras coming home and could have thrown to the catcher three steps sooner to get Willson. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 05:11:47 pm
Watching it on the feeds I don’t think Craig was confused on the number of outs like I thought at first, no, he was flabbergasted at Baez backtracking and thought it was sort of ridiculous until it wasn’t.  Goes to show you never can tell.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 27, 2021, 05:59:31 pm
Javy seems to have some weird baseball instinct that occasionally makes him do things no one would ever arrive at using rational, systematic thought.  And they work.  He’s the epitome of the “you can’t teach it” adage.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 27, 2021, 06:06:53 pm
The legend will grow.  In the future Javy grounded to third on purpose, knowing the throw would pull the first baseman off the bag, and if he timed it right, he could deek him back toward home.  The only thing he had to do was time his break for first.


BTW, did you notice that Javy ran into Craig?  Umpire should have called obstruction and given Javy the base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 27, 2021, 06:32:28 pm
Nobody knew what they were doing, which helped us all down the line.  Baez got to second on The Play, the umpire I guess was just a as confused as everybody else and was focused on Contreras slide.  Then the bloop single to score Baez.  You can’t make this stuff up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 27, 2021, 06:50:30 pm
To be honest, I don't see that as any great, creative, brilliant play by Javy.  Just multiply stupid by Craig.  Javy has some fun, being silly, and Craig was chilling until he saw Willson and suddenly panicked and freaked.  But yeah, Javy does have some knack for being in the middle of odd plays. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 27, 2021, 07:12:00 pm
Pirates manager Derek Shelton on "The Baez Play":

https://www.mlb.com/pirates/video/derek-shelton-on-loss-to-cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 27, 2021, 08:56:02 pm
To be honest, I don't see that as any great, creative, brilliant play by Javy.  Just multiply stupid by Craig.  Javy has some fun, being silly, and Craig was chilling until he saw Willson and suddenly panicked and freaked.  But yeah, Javy does have some knack for being in the middle of odd plays. 

Giving the other team the chance to be stupid is kind of brilliant and creative in itself.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 28, 2021, 12:55:44 am
That Javy play broke baseball Twitter, pretty much.  People were trying to catalogue all the mistakes the Pirates made but they couldn't fit them all, even with the 280 character limit.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on May 28, 2021, 05:23:10 am
This play is Exhibit A when it comes to proving that home runs and strikeouts are boring compared to balls being put in play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 28, 2021, 07:27:31 am
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1397975925971632128?s=20

"The calliopes can be heard from here to Sewickly"

The really funny thing is J.D. made a calliope joke on the Cubs 'cast too (quoting Manfred Mann - "The calliope crashed to the ground").
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 08:43:06 am
A Springsteen quote, actually...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on May 28, 2021, 09:10:55 am
A Springsteen quote, actually...

True.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 28, 2021, 09:49:54 am
Heavy rain forecast.
Temperature near 50° with a 24 mph wind in from center
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 28, 2021, 10:39:46 am
Fearless prediction:  Javy will receive a loud ovation the first time he steps into the batters box.


MLB Network returns.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 28, 2021, 10:43:28 am
Umpires for #Reds (22-26) at #Cubs (27-22):
Bruce Dreckman, Dan Bellino, Joe West, Nic Lentz
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 11:34:27 am
Unfortunately, MLBN and Marquee will both be blacked out for me, and I'll be stuck watching that new bumpkin that the Reds hired...

So glad Cincinnati is a regional team for the Memphis area...makes perfect sense!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 28, 2021, 11:42:26 am
Nice debut by Wisdom.  He kinda got lost in the shuffle.  Was hoping to see him in the lineup today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 28, 2021, 12:43:31 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on May 28, 2021, 12:50:18 pm
I live a mile and a half from Wrigley, and this is an absolutely horrible day for playing baseball (or just about anything else outdoors).  With 21+ mph winds (gusts much higher) and a "real feel" temp of 37 degrees about 30 minutes before game time, this game should be postponed.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 28, 2021, 01:24:45 pm
Taylor McGregor just pointed out something that I never noticed on the Javy play from yesterday:  After Willson Contreras slid in safely under the catcher's tag, Javy called him safe before turning and heading towards first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 28, 2021, 01:26:59 pm
After Craig tossed the ball, Javy turned and ran into Craig, too.  Could have been awarded first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 01:29:40 pm
Someone noted on MLBN this morning (tongue in cheek, obviously) that Javy's home-to-first sprint speed was somewhere around 34 seconds...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 01:33:00 pm
Reds announcers just mentioned that, with today's start at 1B, Kris Bryant is the first former MVP to start at least 5 games at 5 different positions in a single season...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 28, 2021, 01:41:00 pm
losing any of the four is going to put Hoyer on everyone's sh!t list.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 28, 2021, 02:39:01 pm
Here's a visual of the impact of the wind today on a Joc Pederson batted ball:

https://twitter.com/kenarneson/status/1398358608954359810
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 28, 2021, 02:51:48 pm
Bote!  Low line drive slices through the wind down the line and into the basket. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 28, 2021, 02:53:33 pm
Peterson pounds a high easy out to right, probably his 2nd HR on an ordinary day. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 04:01:34 pm
Wisdom can’t hit one better than that...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 28, 2021, 04:02:31 pm
Nance snappy 1-2-3 8th, 9 pitches. 

I wonder if he's strictly a 1-inning guy, or if he can go sometimes get used for two, in future? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on May 28, 2021, 04:03:20 pm
Did it even reach the waring track?  On a normal day that ball was would have been on Waveland.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 04:10:19 pm
If Winker was on the track, he was barely on the track...

Reds announcers state that Brad Brach was tipping his pitches during his time with the Cubs...not sure if that was ever reported or not?

I thought he was pretty good with the O's, and liked the signing at the time...thought he painted well...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 28, 2021, 04:22:57 pm
The wind cost Wisdom's ball 86 feet according to this tweet:

https://twitter.com/kenarneson/status/1398385415246077953
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 28, 2021, 04:23:36 pm
Kimbrel with a snappy 1-2-3.  His ability to stay reasonably non-wild has been terrific. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 28, 2021, 04:28:33 pm
86 feet...lol...that's insane!

Reds announcers keep harping on the fact that the Reds were able to work some walks against Alzolay today. Never mind the fact that he was really getting squeezed...with at least one ball 4 clearly being a strike...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on May 28, 2021, 04:39:00 pm
I wonder if extreme wind like in today's game impacts Statcast's ability to measure exit velocity. Just scrolling through the Baseball Savant page for this game, the exit velocities were low for the most part. It says Wisdom's ball was hit 103.2 mph, but it looked like it was hit significantly harder than that. Pederson didn't hit a ball harder than 96.9 mph today, but he had one or two that legitimately looked like homers on a different day.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?gamePk=634024

Bote had by far the hardest hit ball of the day at 110.3, which seems about right--did he get lucky and come up right when the wind died down for a few minutes? The previous batted ball (hit by Tyler Stephenson) had the second highest EV of the day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 28, 2021, 07:19:25 pm
Quote from: ESPN
UP NEXT

Cubs RHP Zach Davies (2-2, 4.96 ERA) looks to close out a strong month on a winning note, while the Reds go with struggling RHP Luis Castillo (1-7, 7.61). Davies has a 1.71 ERA in five starts in May. Castillo is tied for the major league lead in losses and is tops in earned runs with 40.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 29, 2021, 10:30:28 am
Sunny - High near 60° - Wind in from center at nearly 20 mph

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 29, 2021, 01:49:35 pm
Ortega with a successful sacrifice bunt.  Contreras to second, one out -  pays off.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 02:34:12 pm
Cubs got two cheap runs.  Fluky Contreras grounder leaked into RF.  Bad bunt that bounced high off the plate to advance.  Gross baserunning by Contreras to hang himself right in between 2nd-3rd on a grounder to SS, but Suarez playing SS throws it 10 feet over the 3B's head on an easy out.  Sogaard with a nice, skillful liner/grounder into the hole, beat it out; but probably most good real SS's would have gotten him.  Beautiful sac bunt by Davies gets the second run in, but Cinci doesn't cover first and it's a hit; but Sogaard then gets thrown out at 3B. 

Man, the central is really bad.  Cubs should have made two baserunning outs at 3B in the same inning.  Suarez with one horrific plan and another crummy play from SS.  2B with a crummy play. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 02:42:50 pm
Now another crazy play.  Cubs 1st and 2nd no outs.  Sogaard hits a sharp DP ball to 1B.  Bote is forced at 2nd, and Suarez is well wide of the base-running path, but Bote reaches out and hits Suarez on the knee (not very hard, I don't think it really impacted the throw).  Crummy throw to first, Sogaard beats it out.  Blandino, the 2B, cluelessly jogs right into the baseline, where Sogaard running as hard as he can to beat out the DP crashes hard into Blandino.  Really weird/dumb on Blandino's part, but no injury there.  However, review calls both Bote and Sogaard out because of the interference call on Bote tapping Suarez.  (Right call, no complaint there.). But interesting call, Ortega who had started at 2nd and was obviously near 3rd when all of the craziness happened, got send back to 2B.  Apparently he'd not reached 3B yet when Bote did his stupid interference thing.  So, basically three bad plays, Suarez a lousy throw and turn on the DP; Bote with the stupid interference play; and Blandino with idiot stuff at 1B.  Man the central is bad! 

Then, Bote is badly injured on his slide.  He'd been easily out at 2B, but apparently was trying to keep contact with 2B and somehow dislocated his left shoulder or something trying to hang onto the base.  He was really hurting. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 02:46:30 pm
Ortega drops a fly ball in the 5th.  Had been running for a while, and was on the warning track, so it wasn't an easy routine catch, and the wind isn't easy.  But ball was easily within his reach, it's not like he needed to stretch or dive or anything, he just missed it.  The quality of play in the central is just shockingly bad. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 29, 2021, 02:50:59 pm
Through it all, Cubs go into the sixth leading 2 - 0.  Davies still in there.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 02:56:37 pm
Davies working a 2-hit shutout, gets pulled at 65 pitches after walking Suarez. 

Baseball in 2021. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 29, 2021, 03:00:31 pm
Cubs must have bonuses in pitchers' contracts for Quality Starts because guys are regularly pulled in the top of the 6th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 29, 2021, 03:01:18 pm
If Bote goes to the IL, Alcantara will likely get called up.  But who goes off the 40 man roster?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 03:17:38 pm
Brothers walks a couple, Keegan comes in and Stephenson fights a curveball and bloops a double down the opposite-field line to tie it.  Thompson throws a bunch of strikes, pops guy up into shallow left to keep runners stuck at 2nd/3rd, then K's guy to get out of it.  He's been good. 

Brothers is so wild, he's kind of at a low-trust point right now.  Too bad. 

A crazy play on the shallow fly, Javy going out, Peterson coming right in with the play and the throw right in front of him. But they both call and Javy grabs it, no actual collision.  Should have been LFers ball, but Javy kind of had it all the way.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 03:21:41 pm
Garrett coming in; I know Rizzo's injured and lefty, but I wish Rizzo could pinch hit and get to face Garrett!  :):). Garrett-Rizzo AB's are so fun to watch, I wish we'd get one. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 03:28:28 pm
Wow, Garrett drills Ortega.  But Ortega had been trying to bunt (again), and Garrett throws so hard and Ortega is so slow that he was too slow to pull the bat back very far and flinch back enough to pull the bat back.  So ump called it a strike.  Dempster and Boog don't think it's the right call, a mistake.  But in a sense the bat was still hanging in the strike zone.  Not sure I blame the ump. 

I've liked a lot of what Ross has done as manager, especially his use of the pen.  But man, that guy loves the bunt.  How does he expect Ortega to be able to bunt Garrett's stuff?  Kinda impossible. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 03:30:49 pm
Man, Garrett is really wild.  Gets 0-2 on Wisdom, but then walks him.  He makes Brothers look controlled. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 03:37:47 pm
Sogaard with a good AB, takes some kinda-close pitches, got to 3-1, took ball 4 but ump called a slightly-low pitch strike two, fouled off a full-count strike, takes ball four.  Four walks in the inning, 3-2.  If ump hadn't called the HBP a strike, could have been two walks, HBP, and two more walks. 

I know Blue hates Sogaard, but I admit I like having him hitting in some of these tight situations
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 29, 2021, 03:46:45 pm
Joc clutch 2-RBI hit.  RF muffs the bouncing ball, lets 2nd run score easily.  Bryant hits a sharp grounder in the hole, Suarez misses another one.  I don't think Reds should play Suarez at SS much more, he's bad. 

6-2.  Davies pitches a good game, but Keegan should now get the win. 

7 walks in the inning, 3 by Cub pitchers and 4 by Reds.  Crazy. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 29, 2021, 04:20:17 pm
We need to run on Winker every opportunity we get. His arm is either really bad or hurt.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 29, 2021, 04:23:57 pm
This game has been a good example of how any type of contact is better than a strikeout.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 29, 2021, 04:51:07 pm
Break up the Cubs!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 29, 2021, 07:05:39 pm
Quote from: ESPN
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Jake Arrieta (5-4, 4.37 ERA) starts for the Cubs in Sunday's series finale. The right-hander is 7-3 with a 3.80 ERA in 11 career starts against Cincinnati. Tyler Mahle (3-2, 3.75 ERA) pitches for the Reds. Mahle worked 5 1/3 scoreless innings in a 2-1 victory at Washington on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 30, 2021, 10:17:57 am
Joe West will be behind the plate.


Still no Rizzo

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 30, 2021, 01:43:00 pm
Mound visit didn’t help none.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 30, 2021, 01:54:27 pm
Arrieta at 40 pitches with 1 out in the 2nd. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 30, 2021, 02:03:45 pm
51 pitches at the end of 2 - 20 called balls by umpire. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 30, 2021, 02:32:13 pm
End of 3.  Arrieta with 66 pitches, 24 balls.  Mahle with 55 pitches, 16 balls.  3 - 0 Reds.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 30, 2021, 02:56:46 pm
Arrieta through.  3.2 innings, 89 pitches, 34 balls, 6 hits, 5 runs.  Goose egg so far for Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 30, 2021, 03:24:25 pm
Joe West’s fat ass can’t retire soon enough...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 30, 2021, 03:39:58 pm
Mahle denied a Quality start.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 31, 2021, 11:06:20 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 11:47:05 am
What’s the dope on Stewart?  Just called up I assume.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 31, 2021, 12:20:08 pm
Umpires for #Padres (34-20) at #Cubs (29-23):
Dan Iassogna, Andy Fletcher, Scott Barry, Jeremie Rehak
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 31, 2021, 12:37:09 pm
What’s the dope on Stewart?  Just called up I assume.

Fourth pick in the 2013 draft by the Twins (two picks after Bryant).  Mostly a washout, (don't know if it was due to injuries).  Pitched a little in the majors for the Twins in 2019, with a plus 6.00 ERA.  Was with the cubs in spring training, and there were some talk that the Pitching Lab had "fixed" him, but obviously didn't do well enough to make the team.  May have had injury problems at that time.  I have no recollection about his tools, but they must have been fairly good at one time to be the number four pick.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 01:22:43 pm
Good luck to him today.  Gotta have some jitters.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on May 31, 2021, 01:27:08 pm
1-2-3 first for steward. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 01:52:39 pm
4-6-3 ground ball double play to get out of a first and third one out jam. Cudos.  Minimal damage.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 02:13:19 pm
Now it’s a 5-4-3 ground ball DP.  Lots of grounders so far for Stewart.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 31, 2021, 02:23:01 pm
Not a very good pitch call by Vic on the 3-2 to Javy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 02:23:08 pm
Javy crushed that one. 455 to the camera well in CF...2-1 Cubs
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 02:37:13 pm
So far so good for Ground Ball Stewart.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 02:40:15 pm
Wisdom has been a bit of a dude since his callup. 3-1 Cubs. 423 to straightaway CF.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 31, 2021, 02:41:18 pm
To early to tell, but we may have a great find in Patrick Wisdom.  Perhaps the hitting lab is starting to contribute also.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 02:42:39 pm
Patrick Wisdom!  What is his WAR?  Incredible really.  Wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 02:47:02 pm
Former Cardinals 1st rounder...he had a couple of pretty good seasons here in Memphis before being traded...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 02:51:08 pm
Alcantara drives one over Profar in CF for leadoff double in Cubs debut...wearing #51 (for Tuffy)...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 02:54:27 pm
Bryant goes oppo into the basket...5-1 Cubs. Myers got an accidental beer shower for the effort.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 02:55:40 pm
Former Cub Pierce Johnson replacing Paddack...

Tingler upset about the beer shower...accident or not...probably more upset about the 3 dingers Paddack gave up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2021, 03:01:06 pm
Question:  re: WAR.  Is Rizzo's WAR impacted by Bryant or by Ortega.  Bryant is replacing his position, but the real guy replacing the player is Ortega.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on May 31, 2021, 03:22:44 pm
Unbelievable. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 31, 2021, 03:22:52 pm
I believe that the WAR uses as it's base an "average" replacement, rather than the specific instance.  So his WAR depends upon his own stats, not the stats of the person he replaces.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 31, 2021, 03:23:45 pm
Still to early to tell, but we may have a great find in Patrick Wisdom.  Perhaps the hitting lab is starting to contribute also.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 04:08:49 pm
Well, Iassogna was having a good day behind the plate, but he blew it with a bad strike 3 call on Wisdom, who is having the game of his life...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 04:14:58 pm
Tommy Nance's stuff is pretty filthy.

Cubs win 7-2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on May 31, 2021, 05:38:52 pm
https://youtu.be/GhgU6VQJbj0
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on May 31, 2021, 06:15:40 pm
Tommy Nance's stuff is pretty filthy.

Cubs win 7-2.

As a group, is this the best stuff a Cubs bullpen has ever had?

Kimbrel
Winkler
Nance
Maples
Brothers
Steele
Thompson
Megill

Plus the soft tossers Tepera, Chafin, and Wieck.

Then there's Mills.  Somebody always has to be different.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on May 31, 2021, 06:45:03 pm
I’d struggle to name a better Cubs pen...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 31, 2021, 09:15:19 pm
The Cubs have had a lot of good closers, such as Smith and Sutter, but seldom had much beyond that.  There really wasn't such a thing as a set up man before the last decade or two, but the closest thing to that was the role filled by pitchers such as Abernathy and a few others.  Beyond that, the pen was manned by guys that were not good enough to start, and when someone did perform well in relief, they were soon moved into the rotation.

Even more recently, relievers in the minors were usually failed starters, or starters that have had injury problems and weren't trusted with a long workload.  But the most recent trend has been drafting pitchers with the intention of keeping them in the pen throughout their careers.  Carroway is one of the first for the Cubs.  I hope there are many that follow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: bitterman on May 31, 2021, 09:41:23 pm
The bullpen has been amazing. What happen when Rowan Wick returns?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on May 31, 2021, 09:58:53 pm
Question:  re: WAR.  Is Rizzo's WAR impacted by Bryant or by Ortega.  Bryant is replacing his position, but the real guy replacing the player is Ortega.

WAR is calculated against a replacement level player which is the equivalent of a AAAA player.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on May 31, 2021, 10:09:55 pm
Well, Iassogna was having a good day behind the plate, but he blew it with a bad strike 3 call on Wisdom, who is having the game of his life...
That was a bad call, but the only I remember.  I thought he called one of the best games behind the plate I've seen. If all umps called em like that there would be no call for robo umps.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2021, 10:27:39 pm
I’d struggle to name a better Cubs pen...
  I was going to suggest Sutter and 5 other guys, but...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on May 31, 2021, 10:42:21 pm
The bullpen has been amazing. What happen when Rowan Wick returns?

A trade.  I think that they will trade a couple of relievers if there is a demand for them near the trade deadline.  I also wouldn't be surprised if they traded Kimbrel and moved Tepera or even Nance into the closer role
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on May 31, 2021, 11:26:15 pm
Seems like Cubs aren’t talking about a Wick return much lately.

Would be nice to see some news soon and maybe that will happen and he’ll start a rehab at Iowa tomorrow.

But, there was some optimism in mid-March about a stepped-up throwing program for Wick—-and then nothing.

Wick went down in mid-September and 8 1/2 months later, zilch since mid-March as to any news.

Seems overly optimistic to infer he’ll be such a factor that Cubs will be trading away good relievers because Wick is around.

In any case, bullpen has been great but the worst time to judge what’s coming in a baseball season is when any given segment of a club is going fantastic or horrific. Things can change awfully fast.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2021, 11:43:11 pm
He's listed in one place as coming off the IL on June 3.  Another place says he may go on rehab on that date, but they have pushed the date back so often...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 01, 2021, 03:30:18 am
He's listed in one place as coming off the IL on June 3.  Another place says he may go on rehab on that date, but they have pushed the date back so often...

Wick is eligible to come off IL early June because he went on IL on April 1 and a few weeks later was placed on the 60-day.

That means nothing other than he’s eligible.

If anybody has a reputable source, with a link, about what’s going on with Wick lately (not mid-March), it would be helpful.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 01, 2021, 08:46:06 am
Wick is eligible to come off IL early June because he went on IL on April 1 and a few weeks later was placed on the 60-day.

That means nothing other than he’s eligible.

If anybody has a reputable source, with a link, about what’s going on with Wick lately (not mid-March), it would be helpful.
Gosh, I thought that's what I said.   ???
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 01, 2021, 09:31:18 am
Cubs have released Shelby Miller.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 01, 2021, 10:19:50 am
For those who watched, how did stewart look? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 01, 2021, 02:34:34 pm
Gosh, I thought that's what I said.   ???

Actually, the more interesting part of what you said is that somebody said Wick “may go on rehab” on June 3...but might get pushed back.

What’s the source of may go on rehab on June 3? Absent the source, hard to know what to make of it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 01, 2021, 03:24:00 pm
Oh, okay, Wick is on my CBS fantasy league team, so I get regular updates.  I'm simply relaying what those updates report.  Do I trust them?  CBS has been crappy this year being right.  I expect June 3 will soon become June 30.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 01, 2021, 03:29:07 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 01, 2021, 04:43:06 pm
I don't think they will trade from the bull pen because Wick comes back.  I think they will trade from the bullpen because they should be able to get some pretty good prospects without pulling the trigger on giving up on the season.

At least that is what I hope they do.  As you say, hot groups, especially bullpens, can turn around in a hurry.  In a season where the prevailing opinion is that the Cubs are not a top tier club, trade them while they are hot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 01, 2021, 07:27:06 pm
Hendricks after 2 -  14 pitches, 1 ball.  Goose eggs all over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on June 01, 2021, 07:27:18 pm
Small sample size and all that but Patrick Widom is playing like you hoped Bote would.  He has done it all so far.  Hope his hot steak keeps up. Would be awesome if he's figured something out and can  sustain a modicum of this level of good play. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on June 01, 2021, 07:35:24 pm
How about that for timing?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 01, 2021, 07:36:33 pm
Well he did it again, Wisdom, can’t believe it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 01, 2021, 08:58:55 pm
He struck out, which will just make him mad, Wisdom, he’ll get another at bat.  Contreras homers, man he’s good, Wisdom singles after striking out.  Up by one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 01, 2021, 09:31:01 pm
Dammit, Javy, come on...just a ground ball to the right side...he’s pitching you out there, just go with it!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 01, 2021, 09:44:52 pm
Happ, Wisdom, Pederson bottom 8. Need a couple of insurance runs here.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 01, 2021, 09:46:00 pm
Wisdom has an OPS of 1749.  If he can keep that up for the rest of the season, he has a chance to be rookie of the year.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 01, 2021, 09:52:39 pm
This is a big inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 01, 2021, 09:59:36 pm
Man, this is peak Kimbrel.  39 Ks in 23 IP, fastball consistently 98.  Has he ever been better?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 01, 2021, 10:03:57 pm
Cubs Win!  Kimbrel with three strikeouts. Boy oh boy, playing like champions right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 01, 2021, 11:15:41 pm
Outstanding relief work by all three guys. 

I think Padres scored their first run yesterday on a single, maybe following the Baez error. 

I think the subsequent 8 runs yesterday, and all 7 runs today, have all come on home runs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 02, 2021, 10:47:38 am
Day game after a night game for Willson Contreras

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E241xJzX0AcFCPi?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 11:22:26 am
No Tatis for the Padres today...

Willson swung it well yesterday...hate to see him sitting today...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 02, 2021, 01:48:45 pm
Adbert seems to draw the JV lineup each time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 02:46:49 pm
Nasty collision in LF between Kim and Pham...Padres turn a dropped Texas leaguer into a DP when neither of the Cubs baserunners on 1st or 2nd moved up...

Kim made the catch, but dropped it on impact...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 02:47:56 pm
I think it was a 6-5-4...

Kim leaving the game...I assume Pham is as well...their bench just got really thin...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2021, 02:57:10 pm
Ortega at 2B is close to that play in short LF.

Seems like he should have seen the non-catch and advanced to 3B.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 03:05:05 pm
Agreed...although he may have been hustling back to 2B when he saw the catch made...not sure how big his secondary was...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 03:15:53 pm
Strike 3 to Wisdom not even close...

3-1 Cubs thru 5...hope the bullpen can hold on and get Adbert a W...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 03:20:09 pm
The first throw was to 3rd, and Kim got to the ball and threw it in very quickly after he dropped it.  Don't think Ortega had any shot or any fault. I think Sogaard from 1st was probably the guy who had the better chance?  He could have had more time to have the play in front of him, and time while the ball was getting dropped and thrown in a little inaccurately. 

But man, really difficult for those baserunners to have recognized what was going on, when the ball seemed to be caught and the bodies were blocking their vision. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 02, 2021, 03:20:24 pm
Wisdom has become Mrs. CurtOne's favorite.  Besides, "he's a hunk."
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 03:22:04 pm
Clutch double by Rizzo.  I thought Profar was going to get it, just missed it.  Great piece of hitting. 

Just watching on TV, Hill's motion is so cool he looks almost impossible to hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 03:25:08 pm
Haven't been watching closely.  Has the ump been bad a lot?  I hadn't been watching, but saw the pitch immediately prior to Rothschild getting tossed.  That pitch was clearly high, nothing at all wrong with that call.  But then the following 3-0 pitch was totally in the strike zone, the whole ball was above the bottom-of-the-zone line, not even close.  Terrible call.  And then the strikeout pitch to Wisdom wasn't even close.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2021, 03:35:08 pm
The first throw was to 3rd, and Kim got to the ball and threw it in very quickly after he dropped it.  Don't think Ortega had any shot or any fault. I think Sogaard from 1st was probably the guy who had the better chance?  He could have had more time to have the play in front of him, and time while the ball was getting dropped and thrown in a little inaccurately. 

But man, really difficult for those baserunners to have recognized what was going on, when the ball seemed to be caught and the bodies were blocking their vision.

Next inning, broadcast showed a wide shot of the collision play.

Ortega was halfway to 3B (properly) just as the ball was about to be caught, presumably. At that point, with the fielder(s) in place, Ortega stopped looking for the ball and sprinted back to 2B. Runner from 1B (Sogard) was halfway to 2B and had to retreat when saw Ortega at 2B. Cubs ended up with two runners at 1B.

So, still seems to me that Ortega messed up. He assumed the ball would be caught, returned to 2B early, and failed to eyeball the play to a more definite conclusion.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 02, 2021, 03:41:52 pm
The umpire is supposed to signal safe and do so demonstratively so that the runners know the ball was not caught.  Did the ump do that?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2021, 03:54:07 pm
Don’t know, but would not have mattered here.

By the time ump could have signaled, Ortega was doing a beeline back to 2B. And, he wasn't looking toward LF at that point either.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 03:55:35 pm
He signaled 'safe'...and he never signaled 'out'...JD was wondering about that as well...

Maybe if it was a playoff game, they could have called "infield fly"...heh!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 04:02:58 pm
Baez, monster blast!  6-1.  Wow, pitcher hung one and he killed it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2021, 04:03:06 pm
In baseball, sometimes better off not to catch the ball than catch it.

Wisdom properly tagged up from 3B on the collision play. Ball caught, Wisdom scores, no force in play at 3B.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 04:06:58 pm
Alcantara ripped a nice triple to start the inning.  He's made some nice line-drive contact thus far.  That would be cool if he emerged as a viable big-league utility guy.  Defense and arm profile as being really good, so *if* he can hit enough, he could have a chance to stick around.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 04:21:20 pm
Alcantara wants playing time...nice line drive stroke...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 04:44:48 pm
Baez/Hoerner/Alcantara could give the Cubs some pretty awesome middle-infield defense. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 02, 2021, 04:46:43 pm
I just hope Hoyer isn't fooled by small sample size and decides Baez and KB are expendable.  Of course, I'm not impressed with Hoyer by himself so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 02, 2021, 04:57:32 pm
On to Playtwo’s headquarters.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 05:26:18 pm
Watching replays of the collision on MLBN...

Pham left the field on his own, and looked pissed off doing so. Mouthing the entire time, and he looked like he and former Diamond Jaxx and Iowa Cubs manager Bobby Dickerson (who is now Padres bench coach) had words, and pretty much had to be held apart.

Bigger crowds now, and likely harder to hear on-field interactions...both guys were probably calling it, and didn’t hear each other...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 02, 2021, 05:38:34 pm
I could get used to this.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 02, 2021, 05:39:18 pm
https://youtu.be/f3dWHhHRJHE
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on June 02, 2021, 05:42:44 pm
I just hope Hoyer isn't fooled by small sample size and decides Baez and KB are expendable.  Of course, I'm not impressed with Hoyer by himself so far.

Alcantara's minor league numbers are... not great. Would be shocked if any GM viewed him as more than a good defensive backup.

Wisdom has always had great power, but he's got a near .700 ISO and a +.550 BABIP. Those numbers are going to come waaaaaaaaaaaay down, and once they do, *maybe* he looks like Bote 2.0. I'd be thrilled (and shocked) by that outcome.

In reality, not sure if Wisdom's defense matches Bote's, and his plate discipline is not as good. The upside for Wisdom is his FB-rate is much higher than Bote.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 02, 2021, 06:00:06 pm
Wisdom has become Mrs. CurtOne's favorite.  Besides, "he's a hunk."

For some reason, my wife is still in love with Ivan DeJesus because he had good legs.  At least she isn't fickle.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 02, 2021, 06:32:24 pm
In the few ABs I have observed, I have been quite impressed with the pitch recognition by Wisdom.  Perhaps that has been fluky but I would keep an open mind about him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 02, 2021, 06:36:20 pm
I certainly think there's a better chance Wisdom is a legit big league player than Alcantara.

Not a huge deal, but why burn Winkler for 2 innings and 30+ pitches with a 5-run lead?  Plenty of options - including Maples, who seems well outside the circle of trust despite pitching quite well on the whole.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 02, 2021, 06:46:48 pm
Alcantara's minor league numbers are... not great. Would be shocked if any GM viewed him as more than a good defensive backup. ....

Yes, very likely.  He's not going to hit HR's, so OPS will never be a thing.  Still, as a batting-average/OBP guy, maybe he'll be OK?  He hit .284, .266, and .271 at age 19-20-21, mostly in full-season already at 19, hitting .271 at age 21 in AA.  Age 22 was worse, but still .346 OBP. 

So maybe with two years of added strength and filling out some physically, maybe he's a little stronger and improved some from age 22?  He was a .344-OBP guy in the minors as a young-for-age guy.  So I could imagine him hypothetically ideally becoming a .275/.340 BA/OBP guy?  Maybe a super-Sogard but with a lot more defense? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2021, 06:56:28 pm
The filled out version of Alcantara reminds me a little bit of a young Starlin Castro.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 02, 2021, 07:33:11 pm
The filled out version of Alcantara reminds me a little bit of a young Starlin Castro.

He's definitely a lot sturdier looking than I was expecting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 02, 2021, 07:49:47 pm
Through a stroke of luck, around noon today I got a call from an old friend inviting me to go the game with him today.  Great to be back at Wrigley. I was surprised how normal it seemed.  While there were a number of people wearing masks, seemed like most fans were not.  No social distancing. Given all that, not sure how limiting attendance to 25,000 accomplishes much.  And I take covid-19 very seriously.


What a fun game to watch. Strange, but the Cubs looked like a potential championship team (w/ Bryant and Contreras on the bench, and Heyward, Hoerner, Duffy,Bote, Marisnick, and Romine on IL), while the Padres looked like the Cubs were supposed to look this season. Baseball certainly is an unpredictable game.  Alzolay and the bullpen looked especially good. Rizzo was Rizzo and Alzolay was fun to watch, at the plate, on the bases and in the field.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 03, 2021, 05:20:16 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (32-23) at #SFGiants (34-21):
CB Bucknor, Laz Diaz, Adam Hamari, Jose Navas

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2_Zn9fXIAQf31O?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 03, 2021, 05:28:55 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Boris From Downunder on June 03, 2021, 08:06:39 pm
Cracker of a day in the bay!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 03, 2021, 08:46:20 pm
Nice to see a little more of Alcontrera.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 03, 2021, 10:12:37 pm
Giants' defense is good. 
Baez error sets up tying run.  Not sure if it was Baez or Sogaard, but I wonder if they'd have had a throw at the plate if relay man hadn't fumbled the throw. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 03, 2021, 10:31:15 pm
Just to clarify—no Baez error on Giants second run. Ruled IF single.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on June 03, 2021, 10:42:07 pm
Laz Diaz is tuurrrrrible
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 03, 2021, 11:15:18 pm
Laz Diaz is tuurrrrrible

So is Davies.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 03, 2021, 11:22:58 pm
So is Maples...sorry to say.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 03, 2021, 11:29:13 pm
So is Maples...sorry to say.

I mean, to be fair, he had 10 scoreless outings out of his last 11 before tonight.  And he’s just off a stretch where he pitched once in 15 days.  It’s asking a lot for a pitcher to be consistent under those circumstances, much less one as complicated as Maples.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 04, 2021, 01:35:54 pm
Looking ahead to Saturday

MLB ON FOX: JUNE 5, 2021  6:15 CDT

(https://506sports.com/mlb/2021/june5.png)

Boston @ NY Yankees

 
LA Dodgers @ Atlanta
 
Chi Cubs @ San Francisco
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 04, 2021, 05:53:16 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 04, 2021, 06:34:13 pm
Bryant hasn't played 3B since April 20.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 04, 2021, 08:26:01 pm
Hey, Reb, guess who got activated today, as promised?  Guess.  If you guessed Wick.  You're wrong.  It was Hunter Harvey, another one of my lame picks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 04, 2021, 09:09:39 pm
You still own a starting pitcher who averages 40 innings pitched per season for his career?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 04, 2021, 09:24:09 pm
Is Arrieta done?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 04, 2021, 09:24:17 pm
The Cubs had a great month beating up on weak competition, and they've certainly overperformed.  But if they have any aspirations to seriously complete they'll have to trade for a SP - this rotation just isn't good.  Are you prepared to give up prospects to do that, in the wake of the Darvish giveaway?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 04, 2021, 09:32:02 pm
What was the point of replacing Darvish with Arrieta again?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on June 04, 2021, 09:43:15 pm
Arrieta sucks on The Show too.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on June 04, 2021, 10:45:44 pm
Didn’t the Cubs sweep the Dodgers and the Padres in the last month?

The rotation without Darvish isn’t elite. The bullpen has a lot of talent, doing the 2015 Royals and just trying to get you non-Hendricks/Alzolay starter 4-5 innings is going to be better than wasting prospects and trying to get a top tier starter.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 04, 2021, 11:16:13 pm
The Cubs had a great month beating up on weak competition, and they've certainly overperformed.  But if they have any aspirations to seriously complete they'll have to trade for a SP - this rotation just isn't good.  Are you prepared to give up prospects to do that, in the wake of the Darvish giveaway?

The weak competition the Cubs beat up on included sweeping the Dodgers, winning 3 out of 4 against the Nationals, 2 out of 3 against the Cardinals and then closing out the month by beating the Padres (then beat them two more games the first two days of June). Not that I think May was indicative of what we should expect the rest of the season. Just think we should give credit when it's due, and enjoy it when things go this well.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 04, 2021, 11:31:29 pm
Just think we should give credit when it's due, and enjoy it when things go this well.

ARE YOU KIDDING???
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 04, 2021, 11:50:59 pm
Who was Rizz hot at in the dugout?  Baez?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 04, 2021, 11:58:06 pm
Contreras
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 04, 2021, 11:59:57 pm
I have no sound...was a reason given?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 05, 2021, 12:15:39 am
The weak competition the Cubs beat up on included sweeping the Dodgers, winning 3 out of 4 against the Nationals, 2 out of 3 against the Cardinals and then closing out the month by beating the Padres (then beat them two more games the first two days of June). Not that I think May was indicative of what we should expect the rest of the season. Just think we should give credit when it's due, and enjoy it when things go this well.

Like I said, they overperformed.  Credit (though the Nats are pretty bad this season, for the record).  But that doesn't change the fact that the rotation is a problem that could turn into a disaster at any moment.  It's basically only at the problem rather than disaster stage because a rookie is pitching very well and the bullpen - while it's obviously improved - is performing at an unsustainable level.  If either of those things changes the bottom could drop out in a hurry.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 05, 2021, 10:49:24 am
Like I said, they overperformed.  Credit (though the Nats are pretty bad this season, for the record).  But that doesn't change the fact that the rotation is a problem that could turn into a disaster at any moment.  It's basically only at the problem rather than disaster stage because a rookie is pitching very well and the bullpen - while it's obviously improved - is performing at an unsustainable level.  If either of those things changes the bottom could drop out in a hurry.

I pretty much agree with all of that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 05, 2021, 03:16:54 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3JPjUwWUAAynfJ?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3JG9I0VIAAJafc?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 05, 2021, 03:55:04 pm
Probably cold as all get out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 05, 2021, 03:55:18 pm
I pretty much agree with all of that.

I pretty much agree with deeg's thoughts as well. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 05, 2021, 06:43:53 pm
Stewart could be a factor to the positive but again, you're depending on a guy who has no track record of major league success to have major league success.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 05, 2021, 06:48:32 pm
Wisdom with a two run homer top of the second and the Cubs lead 2-0. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 05, 2021, 06:50:10 pm
You gotta play Wisdom every day until he turns back into a pumpkin.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 05, 2021, 07:00:25 pm
Nothing like a double play to cut down on pitch counts - but Stewart has 41 after two - Cubs up 2-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 05, 2021, 07:12:28 pm
Kohl Stewart with a solid single, but Pederson, Bryant and Baez strike out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 05, 2021, 07:44:52 pm
And now we get to see how Ross’s comment about  how the offense keeps fighting back, we’ll see.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 05, 2021, 07:54:48 pm
Why did Ross let Nance hit for himself and then pull him after 1 pitch?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 05, 2021, 08:14:31 pm
Gausman seems to have gone through the same transformation Arrieta did post-Baltimore, he has looked unbeatable most of the time this year. It just took a couple extra years and teams before it clicked for him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 05, 2021, 08:16:11 pm
Baez with three at bats and three strikeouts.  A meaningful game and three strikeouts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 05, 2021, 08:25:46 pm
Cory Abbott makes his debut and gets through his first inning unscathed.  He has been given the not-very-pitcherish number 15.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 05, 2021, 09:04:05 pm
It's a two-run game, but it feels like the Giants are up by a lot more.

On to the ninth where the Cubs will hope to recreate that 2016 Division Series magic.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 05, 2021, 09:14:14 pm
Ortega reaches on a grounder in the hole that second baseman Dubon can't handle, then Bryant hits into a fielder's choice that Dubon almost drops.

Now a hit up the middle from Baez and Bryant moves to third.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 05, 2021, 09:15:09 pm
Rizzo hits a potential double play ball to shortstop but Longoria and Crawford collide and everybody is safe.  Bryant scores; 4-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 05, 2021, 09:19:27 pm
With a full count, Contreras swings through strike three right down the middle; Cubs are down to their last out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 05, 2021, 09:22:19 pm
Runners advance on a high inside pitch to Heyward.

But he grounds to the new second baseman Solano, and the Giants hang on to win.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 05, 2021, 09:43:35 pm
Still like to know what the heck happened with Nance.  Did he get hurt taking the AB, like Steele?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 06, 2021, 01:02:51 am
https://youtu.be/fNCQxc3QZK8
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 06, 2021, 12:30:13 pm
It's up to me to get the W today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 06, 2021, 12:39:25 pm
Joc Pederson - lower back tightness after leaving Saturday night's game

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 06, 2021, 12:43:57 pm
P2, going to the game?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 01:37:40 pm
It's up to me to get the W today.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 06, 2021, 01:51:12 pm
Bob Nightengale

Tough news for #SFGiants who lose third baseman Evan Longoria for 4-6 weeks with left shoulder sprain. Longoria is hitting .280 with 9 homers, 30 RBI and an .892 OPS
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 02:22:45 pm
These injuries are mind boggling.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 03:42:26 pm
Hendricks really sharp today, huh?  Big game and all why wouldn’t he look sharp?  Yes sir, Cubs are filled with clutch players.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 06, 2021, 03:51:50 pm
Another home run for Wisdom.  I think he may be good, but certainly not THIS good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 03:52:37 pm
43 pitches through 2.  What a stud. What a stopper to a losing streak.  You can count on Hendricks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 06, 2021, 03:56:30 pm
Still like to know what the heck happened with Nance.  Did he get hurt taking the AB, like Steele?
Ron, wondering the same thing.  Baez has been a bit sloppy lately and Rizz failed to pick one of Baez' throws.  Rizz didn't look like he gave his normal effort.  Contreras may have gotten on Rizzo about it.  Only thing I can think of.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 06, 2021, 04:14:35 pm
Another home run for Wisdom.  I think he may be good, but certainly not THIS good.

Then again .....
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 06, 2021, 04:16:41 pm
They’re not cheapies either...both dead center field...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 06, 2021, 04:25:07 pm
Looking back at Wisdom's minor league seasons, he had 31 HRs in 2017 for the Cards' AAA team and 31 HRs in 2019 for the Rangers' AAA team.  Anybody have a handle on how his defense has been? 


Could he be for real?  If so, that would certainly be a kinda big deal.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 06, 2021, 04:28:13 pm
He wouldn't be the first late bloomer to seemingly come out of nowhere.

Max Muncy, Justin Turner.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 04:34:50 pm
Bryant strikes out swinging with runners on first and third.  That away.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 04:38:12 pm
Baez up with bases loaded one out and game tied 3-3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 06, 2021, 04:42:54 pm
Looking back at Wisdom's minor league seasons, he had 31 HRs in 2017 for the Cards' AAA team and 31 HRs in 2019 for the Rangers' AAA team.  Anybody have a handle on how his defense has been? 


Could he be for real?  If so, that would certainly be a kinda big deal.

Advanced stats are not real kind to his 3B defense at the big league level, but it's a fairly small sample size. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 06, 2021, 04:58:56 pm
Anyone else ever seen a TOOTBLAN running home-to-first?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 05:01:21 pm
Higgins grounds out sharply.  Does he even have a batting average yet?  Certainly you don’t go with Hendricks for another inning in this critical game?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 06, 2021, 05:02:38 pm
Anyone else ever seen a TOOTBLAN running home-to-first?

Just did.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 05:13:26 pm
11 million salary and Rizzo pops it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 06:03:05 pm
Rizzo grounds into a double play top of the ninth to end the inning and for the money he is making that is unacceptable. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 06, 2021, 06:11:21 pm
P2 comes through!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 06, 2021, 06:11:26 pm
Kimbrel with nine pitches, nine strikes, three outs for the save, gotta hang on to him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 06, 2021, 06:59:23 pm
https://youtu.be/oGeAgbyDBgI
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 06, 2021, 07:20:26 pm
Never a doubt!  Actually, I give Hendricks a lot of credit for gutting through it on a day where he wasn't sharp.  And Ross deserves credit for allowing him to stay in the game into the 7th.  Kimbrel scared me to death giving up that wind blown deep drive to left in the 9th (memories of Milwaukee in 2019).  But all's well that ends well.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 06, 2021, 07:25:43 pm
I fear the return of 2019 Kimbrel all the time
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 06, 2021, 07:38:55 pm
Really good catch by Bryant in the 9th too looking into the sun.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 07, 2021, 05:59:50 pm
Javy's hand and Joc's back must still be problems

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 07, 2021, 06:38:36 pm
Don’t know his status but Pederson might not have started against the lefty in any case.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 07, 2021, 09:44:21 pm
Adbert gets out of first with only one run but it sure cost him a lot of pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 07, 2021, 09:44:48 pm
Is there a more annoying commercial than "Wet Teddy Bears"? Stupid, unfunny, and if I had a Liberty policy I would cancel it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 07, 2021, 10:23:40 pm
Stinking California biscuits for breakfast.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 07, 2021, 10:39:04 pm
Sacrifice bunts are so dumb. Weathers is in trouble, don't give him an out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 07, 2021, 10:39:14 pm
Why on earth was Happ bunting there?


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 07, 2021, 10:51:20 pm
Another injury?  Adbert?  He looked pissed off coming into the dugout.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 07, 2021, 11:16:10 pm
Sacrifice bunts are so dumb. Weathers is in trouble, don't give him an out.

Happ’s K % against lefties is 40% this season. So, think it’s lack of confidence in Happ in this situation. Further, bottom of order to follow, so Ross not thinking Big Inning here. Playing for another run or two.

Ordinarily, as we’ve seen, Ross doesn’t do this. But, apparently he felt circumstances warranted an exception.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 07, 2021, 11:20:06 pm
Keegan Thompson had a 10-pitch 5th inning.  Hit 97 three times and 98 once.  Wow.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 07, 2021, 11:48:45 pm
Happ homers. Maybe he should've been swinging away last time when there were two runners on and Weathers wasn't getting anyone out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 07, 2021, 11:55:41 pm
What I don’t understand at all is the people ESPN show in the stands behind the plate.  They all look stoned to me.  Especially the women, they seem devoid of emotion and have this blank look on their face that’s sort of creepy?  Di?  It’s probably just me.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2021, 12:39:59 am
Be better off with Costello pitching than Abbott. This is a drubbing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 08, 2021, 01:08:11 am
Wisdom leads off the 9 with a walk.  He looks like he means it at the plate and  has good discipline.  What the heck with Hoerner? 

Well, Cubs lose by several runs.  We failed in a lot of ways but the error by Rizzo is just one of those things and Anthony should not be blaming himself and eating all of his grandma’s  rich Italian foods to compensate.  That’s what’s causing the back problems -  his belly’s too big.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 08, 2021, 08:21:38 am
Another injury?  Adbert?  He looked pissed off coming into the dugout.
We've all heard the Moises Alou jokes enough times.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 08, 2021, 11:21:50 am
We've all heard the Moises Alou jokes enough times.
Yeah, and they pi$$ me off.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 08, 2021, 11:24:51 am
Last night when Adbert was throwing so many pitches in the first couple innings, I thought that the outing wasn't going to end well psychologically and physically.  If Mills isn't back, they should get him back for long work.

Question: is Machado a real duesche?  After Rizzo clanged the pop up, and then Machado homered, it looked like he was giving Rizz the business.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 08, 2021, 06:50:59 pm
Still no Javy

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 08, 2021, 09:15:51 pm
Where is JD tonight? Dempster isn't good, and Sandberg is bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2021, 09:17:22 pm
Dempster is a cheerleader.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 08, 2021, 10:41:29 pm
I haven't watched enough to have an impression of Wisdom's defense.  But I was just impressed by a throw that he made.  Went to his backhand right down the line fairly deep behind 3rd, and turned and made a very strong (and accurate) throw. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 08, 2021, 10:55:04 pm
Patrick Wisdom had missed a HR by just a little bit in previous AB. 

He just hammered a HR way out this 6th inning.  Rocket.  Some kind of hanging changeup and he clobbered it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 08, 2021, 11:09:11 pm
Hopefully nobody asks to check Wisdom’s bats. There might be titanium in there, never mind cork.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2021, 11:16:05 pm
Pederson hits a ground ball to the LF wall.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 08, 2021, 11:16:14 pm
I try to keep from getting too excited about Wisdom's future by remembering Junior Lake's first month or so.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2021, 11:17:36 pm
“rizzo delivers slug” says Boog.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 08, 2021, 11:28:35 pm
That was weird.  Wisdom didn't hit a home run that time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2021, 02:01:48 pm
Happ starting at 2B today.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2021, 03:37:57 pm
I won't believe that until Bennett posts the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 09, 2021, 03:43:02 pm
Right.  Oh, no, you think, something’s happened to Bennett.

Darvish is going to be tough to beat today. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 09, 2021, 04:22:31 pm
Not sure I'd have guessed that the Cubs would both be within one win of 1st place, AND fielding a lineup with Higgins, Ortega, Wisdom, and Alcantra, with Happ at 2B.  I'd have figured we must be in full tank mode.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 09, 2021, 04:47:26 pm
Darvish makes Arrieta throw 9 pitches to finally get him out. I miss Yu.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 09, 2021, 05:08:20 pm
Yu is using Rizzo's walkup song for his AB's too...gotta love that sense of humor...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 09, 2021, 05:44:28 pm
Sergio Alcantara hits a HR!  3-1 in the 8th. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 09, 2021, 05:54:47 pm
The way Tepera is pitching right now...he’s making himself a nice bit of money...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 09, 2021, 05:58:38 pm
Very good.  2 innings pitched, three strikeouts, no hits, walks, runs. 3-1 Cubs top 9.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 09, 2021, 06:10:37 pm
Our bullpen is good.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 09, 2021, 06:10:39 pm
Cubs win, Cubs win, Cubs win!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 09, 2021, 06:14:03 pm
3 up 3 down for Kimbrel and Cubs win the third, final, and rubber game of the series 3-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 09, 2021, 06:15:43 pm
Nice win.  I would have Heyward batting 8th.  Maybe 7th when Higgins is starting.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 09, 2021, 06:42:35 pm
I did not even realize there was an afternoon game today.  So imagine my surprise when I learn that the Cubs win the game with Arrieta and Darvish as the starting pitchers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2021, 07:01:33 pm
Choose another team because we are DFAing  you.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 09, 2021, 07:02:03 pm
Arrieta held his own. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2021, 07:16:08 pm
So, Cubs won 5 of 6 from Padres this season.

Really impressive.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2021, 07:53:24 pm
Deeg was right.  Darvish is a loser.  Glad we dumped him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2021, 10:57:49 pm
Yu is using Rizzo's walkup song for his AB's too...gotta love that sense of humor...

Darvish post-game:

"I used that song because it was Rizzo who kind of took care of me when things weren't really working my way in Chicago," Darvish said through his interpreter after the Padres' 3-1 loss. "It was, in a way, to say 'thank you' to him. And obviously I have a good relationship with him....Looking back, I had some ups and downs in Chicago," Darvish said. "Good times and bad times, looking in retrospect. But what I find is that the fans, the organization, and even the media members there -- I had tremendous amount of support to get through my years there. So there's a sense of, I guess, gratefulness there.”
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 10, 2021, 12:36:34 am
Yu is a good dude. Always has been.  Never sulked, never lashed out when things weren’t going his way.  And of course, one of the half dozen most dominant SP in baseball.  You’d sure love to have a guy like that on your team.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ben on June 10, 2021, 09:58:09 am
100% agree re Darvish, Deeg.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 10, 2021, 10:50:57 am
I agree as well.  I don't think it was a terrible trade, however.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 10, 2021, 11:43:16 am
The cubs hitters have seemed to be pretty good in terms of plate discipline. 

But watching a couple of innings versus Darvish, his stuff really had them chasing a lot.  One of the Rizzo AB's, seemed like Darvish got him out on like 6 pitches, not one of which was actually in the strike zone.  (In the AB I'm recalling, I think maybe there was actually one pitch that he did take and was called a ball, but was the only actual strike that grazed a corner.)

Yu's ability and skill to get guys to expand and chase so often is really impressive, and obviously a factor in why he's so good.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 10, 2021, 01:03:15 pm
Looking ahead to Saturday

MLB ON FOX: JUNE 12, 2021  6:15 CDT

(https://506sports.com/mlb/2021/june12.png)

St. Louis @ Cubs
 
Houston @ Minnesota
 
San Francisco @ Washington
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 11, 2021, 10:08:15 am
Beautiful day for a ballgame

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 11, 2021, 11:55:02 am
Umpires for #STLCards (32-30) at #Cubs (35-27):
Nestor Ceja, Sam Holbrook, Mike Muchlinski, Jim Wolf
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 11, 2021, 01:19:20 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 11, 2021, 01:44:12 pm
Bummer bottom 1st.  Joc with a solid single, Bryant got ahead 3-0, and took a pitch that the tracker showed to be just barely low, but ump gave the strike.  Then Ross sent Joc on full count, and Bryant chased a breaking ball well off the plate for the K-throw DP.  Two chances to have two base-runners with no outs, and a great chance to score. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 11, 2021, 01:45:59 pm
Great picture.  Wrigley Field is a sight to behold.  Is the statue of Harry still there where it used to be? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 11, 2021, 01:49:09 pm
Stewart is really wild, and gives up a 2nd inning run.  Great play by Rizzo helped keep it. 
Stewart's stuff seems to move a lot, and he doesn't locate it much.  Almost hit O'Neil on one breaking ball that was way off, then drilled him in the back on the next pitch.  Contreras sometimes targets off the outside edge, and Stewart's pitch end up off the inside edge.  Enough movement to compete, but hard to really be consistent with so little command.  And in a world with tons of velocity, probably kinda tough to be excellent as a soft-toss guy without command, even if the movement is really excellent. 

Carpenter drove in the run, but Rizzo made a great cutoff-and-throw to 3rd to get Molina, otherwise could have been 1st-and-3rd with only one out and chance for bigger inning. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 11, 2021, 02:37:02 pm
Stewart walked the pitcher Oviedo on 4 pitches in the 3rd, who then scored for run #2.  Joc HR pulls Cubs back to within 2-1.

Oviedo leads off the 5th, and Steward again walks him on 4 pitches.  Big tall pitcher with a huge strike zone, and Steward walks him twice on 8 pitches. 

Kind of surprised that with Stewart super wild, with the Cubs still in the game only down by a single run, that Ross didn't have somebody kind of loosening up as Steward hits the 5th inning with the 3rd time through the order.  But Ross waits too long and lets the Cardinals set up a big inning before finally lifting Stewart. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2021, 02:39:51 pm
Yeah, tough to win a game when you walk opposing pitcher leading off twice—on four pitches each time. Wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 11, 2021, 02:41:08 pm
5-1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2021, 02:42:08 pm
Kohl Stewart is very similar to what Shelby Miller was throwing when he was up earlier this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2021, 03:35:03 pm
Anti-Vaxxer Rizzo homers!

Yeah!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2021, 03:38:49 pm
That was one of the best AB's I've ever seen...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 11, 2021, 03:53:09 pm
14 pitches was it?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 11, 2021, 04:04:21 pm
Pederson the definition of streaky:

https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1403457259380908037
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 11, 2021, 04:17:58 pm
Kimbrel in the ninth, right?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 11, 2021, 04:24:58 pm
Kimbrel. This bullpen. Wow.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 11, 2021, 04:27:43 pm
I love baseball.  Kimbrel with 3 outs on  9 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 11, 2021, 04:43:45 pm
Cardinals have a really good defensive team.  But the Cubs made some plays and the Cardinals missed some today. 
1.  Cubs scored their 2nd run on a passed-ball by Molina.  He just whiffed on a pitch inside to Alcantara.  Wouldn't have mattered anyway, if what followed played out the same, because Alcantara followed with a triple anyway.  But, sometimes pitch choice and swing choices aren't exactly the same if circumstances differ even slightly.
2.  Moline threw away pickoff attempt to let Alcantara score.  Again, there was only one out, and Happ followed with a single anyway.  So it probably didn't matter really.  Still, too bad plays by Molina. 
3.  7th, Heyward hit high chopper.  Goldschmidt trying to rush missed it.  I don't think he'd have been able to get him anyway, so it probably didnt matter anyway, but not 100% sure.  Heyward subsequently scored the winning run.
4.  Heyward scored the tie-breaking run on Joc's double off the wall.  Again, it probably wouldn't have mattered, because Heyward would have still tagged and scored.  But Edmans goofed Joc's double.  He went to the wall, had time to spare, and the ball hit the doors shoulder- or head-high.  Totally weird.  If he's simply been over a step, he could have easily just reached up and caught it.  But for whatever reason he was just a step or two off to the right of where the ball came down.  Watch the replay if you can, it's really weird.  I don't get what or why he did what he did, that was totally a catchable fly ball but he was just off to the side, and had plenty of time to have positioned himself or repositioned himself better.

Cubs made a couple of really good plays.  Wisdom caught a backhand bouncer down the line, and made a very strong throw to 1st.  In the 6th with the Cards up 5-4, Javy made a fantastic turn on a DP.  Kind of a high bouncer to Nance, and Javy was shifted so coming from the 2B side.  HIs quickness in getting the ball out and the throw off, all arm and with no momentum, great play.  I totally didn't think they'd get two on that one.  He made a nice play in the 9th, too, charging on soft grounder with a really quick transfer and throw.  Really nice play. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 11, 2021, 04:48:51 pm
Unbelievable AB by Rizzo.  Just terrific.  Great team comeback.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 11, 2021, 04:53:38 pm
I thought it was interesting that Nance was used for not just one but for two innings.  Thanks to the Javy-enabled DP, he faced minimum 6 batters in his two innings.  Given how good the Cubs 8th/9th innings guys have been, getting two quick clean innings from Nance really helped; while Rizzo was tying it up off De Leon and the Cubs were untying it off Cabrera. 

Really good results for Nance, and he only used 20 pitches. 

Given how scary the rotation is, getting even 5 innings from them now often seems like almost a stretch.

The ability and willingness to get some two-inning outings from guys could be pretty helpful. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 11, 2021, 05:07:07 pm
This bullpen is ridonkulous.  Nance with 2H in 11.1 IP.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 11, 2021, 05:09:57 pm
Only highlight I can find so far

https://youtu.be/wNvy3pAuPn4
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 11, 2021, 05:14:32 pm
https://youtu.be/ugl6wrPJZgw
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2021, 05:30:09 pm
Great win and kind of a minor point...but today not the first time that Pederson eyeballs a long flyball and gets an excessively long time to get out of the box. Thought his double, with one out, could have been a triple. Just run, please.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2021, 05:40:57 pm
On Nance's walk he issued, ball 4 was actually a strike...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 11, 2021, 06:32:46 pm
MLB On Fox - Saturday announcers for Cubs/Cardinals

Joe Buck and AJ Pierzynski
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 12, 2021, 10:36:48 am
Great win and kind of a minor point...but today not the first time that Pederson eyeballs a long flyball and gets an excessively long time to get out of the box. Thought his double, with one out, could have been a triple. Just run, please.
Agreed! You’d think after his huge gaffe on Sunday Night Baseball, he would have learned.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 12, 2021, 10:37:49 am
(That’s not the right clip, but I couldn’t find the one he celebrated like that on, only to have it stay in the park.)


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 12, 2021, 10:39:38 am
https://twitter.com/JeffEisenband/status/1390147703536078850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1390147703536078850%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-590342031798153968.ampproject.net%2F2106120107000%2Fframe.html


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 12, 2021, 02:44:12 pm
Bryant’s playing 3B tonight…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 12, 2021, 02:51:11 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 12, 2021, 06:21:17 pm
Hendricks is throwing hard (for him) in the first--there were several 89 mph pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 12, 2021, 06:34:08 pm
Is it my tv or does Fox have a real sh!tty crowd mic?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 12, 2021, 06:47:45 pm
I hope this Wrigleyville uniform is a one time thing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 12, 2021, 06:52:41 pm
That new Cubs batboy needs to lose about 40 pounds.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on June 12, 2021, 06:54:26 pm
2-1 Cubs after Happ hits a 2 run HR.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 12, 2021, 07:12:03 pm
I love all-navy uniforms, but we should be wearing these instead:

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 12, 2021, 07:21:04 pm
Hendricks needs to start keeping the ball in the park.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 12, 2021, 07:27:14 pm
Mound visit.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 12, 2021, 07:38:26 pm
The Cubs have the best record in the league since April 30.

Also, Ross says that he's wearing a hoodie rather than a jersey because he wants to cover up the love handles.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 12, 2021, 07:44:02 pm
Five-foot-nine Alcantara puts another one in the bleachers, and the Cubs' lead is back to four.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 12, 2021, 07:44:16 pm
Alcantara doesn’t want to go back to Des Moines…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 12, 2021, 08:00:08 pm
Joc hits another homer to extend the Cubs' lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 12, 2021, 08:05:23 pm
Five-foot-nine Alcantara puts another one in the bleachers, and the Cubs' lead is back to four.

I know he is listed as five nine, but standing next to the other players, he doesn't look that much shorter.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 12, 2021, 08:05:34 pm
7 runs, 4 hits.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 12, 2021, 08:11:49 pm
Pederson may have the hottest hot streaks and coldest cold streaks of any player in the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 12, 2021, 08:17:30 pm
Alcantara doesn’t want to go back to Des Moines…

He's proving Craig's controversial proposition that a prerequisite to hitting home runs is actually making contact with the ball.

Where have you gone, Winfield Mallory?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 12, 2021, 08:47:07 pm
Alcantara doesn’t want to go back to Des Moines…
Been there.  Nobody does.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 12, 2021, 09:05:42 pm
Chafin coming in to pitch.  His mustache goes perfectly with the all-blue uniform:

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Title: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 12, 2021, 09:23:11 pm
Megill looks like he’s struggling to get himself calm enough to pitch. Rivalry game. Prime time. National tv. You got this, kid. 


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 12, 2021, 09:24:00 pm
Maples has one appearance since June 4th but Megill is pitching the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 12, 2021, 09:24:35 pm
Megill looks like he’s struggling to get himself calm enough to pitch. Rivalry game. Prime time. National tv. You got this, kid. 
 

He's not very good which is why it's a strange call-up to me.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 12, 2021, 09:30:21 pm
Megill gets away with two hanging breaking balls to Molina and Rondon for popouts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 12, 2021, 09:32:24 pm
Not the best bullpen management by Ross, imo.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 12, 2021, 09:33:00 pm
But then walks the 8 hitter on 4 pitches to force Ross to go to Kimbrel.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 12, 2021, 09:34:37 pm
The dude gets a ticket to Des Moines.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 12, 2021, 09:36:59 pm
Kimbrel is summoned with the bases loaded to get the final out... and he gets it on a grounder to Wisdom at third.  Cubs win and take the first two games of the series.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 12, 2021, 09:38:57 pm
Cards led yesterday 5-1, and ended up losing 8-5. Cubs led 5-1 today, and ended up winning 7-2. That’s a pretty fun couple of days of Cubs-Cards at Wrigley.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 12, 2021, 09:38:59 pm
Megill pitched Kimbrel into a save situation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 12, 2021, 10:25:53 pm
Ross rarely uses Maples to protect a lead. Would have been a surprise if he pitched the 9th tonight.

In 17 appearances this season, Cubs have lost 14. In other words, Ross uses him when Cubs are trailing, not winning.

In the three Cubs wins Maples pitched, two were big Cubs blowout leads. The third games was in a close double-header game when Ross basically had little choice.

Megill, on the other hand, pitched in a similar situation his last major league outing before he went on the IL——5-run Cubs lead and pitched the 8th inning.

Very interesting that Ross seems to prefer Megill, at least up to today. Guessing that Maples is a front office thing, not a Ross guy. They are scared he will put it all together elsewhere, so have found a roster spot as the 9th reliever.

And why not?  Maples looks terrific at times.

Megill has very good stuff too. Not tonight, but looked good in previous outings and looked great in spring training.

Looks like Cubs are going to have a “bullpen game” this week in next few games, so will see how things shake out.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 12, 2021, 10:42:14 pm
The Cubs have had an incredible bullpen run.  But *IF* they stay in the playoff mix so that Hoyer feels like buying, I wouldn't actually rule out the value of adding another good reliever.  With all the innings they need to cover, another guy who'd be trustworthy and usable would not go to waste.  And *IF* they want to stay good, you don't want all your good relievers to be fried by September. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 12, 2021, 10:50:24 pm
Clearly no trust in Maples whatsoever and likely never will be.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 12, 2021, 10:59:29 pm
Chafin coming in to pitch.  His mustache goes perfectly with the all-blue uniform:

(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3567855!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg)
  He probably will get all humble but Davep's grandson is the third one in the backrow
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 13, 2021, 12:17:54 am
https://youtu.be/EJxNhGhfIpQ
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 13, 2021, 02:41:56 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on June 13, 2021, 03:12:12 pm
Sogard???
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 13, 2021, 03:39:03 pm
Baez scratched

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 13, 2021, 03:41:37 pm
Jordan Bastian

Javy tried to chase down this fly ball in the 9th Saturday night. When he headed back to the field, kept flexing and looking at hand for much of the rest of the inning. 
[/size]"It's something we don't want to linger," said Ross, noting that the thumb was the issue.[/color]
https://twitter.com/i/status/1404169381396033545
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 13, 2021, 07:16:46 pm
When I was growing up in Sacramento, Elk Grove was a dink town about ten miles southeast of the city.  Most of the kids were ranch kids and from the vineyards.  I'm not even sure they had sports teams they were so small.    In twenty years they became HUGE.  Today, they are almost the biggest suburb of Sacramento.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 13, 2021, 07:20:30 pm
Sogard???

Blue's much hated guy Sogard hits the double that set up the 2-run inning.  2-0 after 4. 
Deeg's favorite Davies with a perfect game thus far. 

As Jeff has noted, even bad players make good plays sometimes. 

There is also a wide continuum from awful to great.  There is considerable value in getting anti-awful from roster spots that might have been awful.  Davies with his 4.11 ERA at the moment would qualify. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 13, 2021, 08:30:34 pm
Sooner or later, Kimbrel has to screw up one of these.  I hope he waits until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 13, 2021, 08:42:53 pm
Man, Kimbrel was frisky tonight.  98-99 with the 4-seamer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 13, 2021, 08:43:07 pm
On second thought, I hope he isn't waiting until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 13, 2021, 08:43:55 pm
Cubs win!

Kimbrel = flat-out filthy.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 13, 2021, 08:51:51 pm
“Gonna get up in the morning, I believe I’ll dust my broom.”  — Elmore James, Chicago blues musician.  Game was nice and short, all them Blues songs are nice and short.  Kimbrel has cool hair.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 13, 2021, 09:17:56 pm
Anyone have "Cubs pick up Kimbrel's option" in the betting pool at the start of the season?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 13, 2021, 09:20:12 pm
His mom?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ben on June 13, 2021, 10:55:52 pm
Davies was beyond brutal in April, but he's flashed a 1.85 or so ERA in his last 9 starts!

Hope he can keep it up for a while.  Cubs will need all the good starts we can get the rest of the way!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 14, 2021, 03:24:12 pm
Javy still out

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 14, 2021, 04:50:47 pm
A line of thunderstorms moving towards the New York City area could be a problem

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 14, 2021, 06:22:08 pm
Illegal substance.  Well heck yes.  If you’re going to use a substance you want it to be a good one and therefore an illegal one.  Jake’s probably got a razor blade tucked away in the rosin bag. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on June 14, 2021, 06:57:02 pm
Sogard is worthless.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 14, 2021, 06:58:47 pm
You can say that again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on June 14, 2021, 07:01:17 pm
Well he definitely gave the Mets a shot in the arm with that baserunning play.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 14, 2021, 07:52:29 pm
Tomorrow we have Alec Mills on the mound to open.  Boy  how scary.  Sogard pops up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 14, 2021, 09:03:54 pm
Sogard pops up again.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on June 14, 2021, 09:04:40 pm
Not looking like our night....
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 14, 2021, 11:07:01 pm
Considering how erratic his usage has been Maples has been really good.  9 hits in 22.2 IP.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 15, 2021, 01:27:37 am
Considering how erratic his usage has been Maples has been really good.  9 hits in 22.2 IP.
And just one walk in his last three appearances. Since his first four outings (2 walks in each), he’s limited the base on balls to just 6 in 15.2 IP. His overall WHIP is down to 1.01.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 15, 2021, 02:19:20 pm
Prediction — Mills is up to the task, throws a lot of pitches but gives up a single run in 4 innings.  The rest of the boys come in and do what they’ve been doing.  Cubs win 4 - 3 or maybe 3 - 2.
Tomorrow both Alcantera and Wisdom go deep and deGrom’s ERA jumps up closer to 2 than 1.  Hendricks struggles in game 4 but Cubs bats are still alive and we walk away with 3 out of 4.  Heads held high and a game and a half over Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 15, 2021, 03:34:21 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 15, 2021, 06:49:34 pm
Bryant, who was hit on the hand by a pitch in the first inning, has been replaced at third base by Patrick Wisdom to start the bottom of the second.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 15, 2021, 09:09:23 pm
There's some of the worst baserunning you'll see.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 15, 2021, 09:10:11 pm
It was all on Willie Harris. That was some vintage Wendell Kim base coaching there.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 15, 2021, 09:15:05 pm
Hard to fathom, but Heyward is having by far his worst year offensively. 

But he draws a walk here.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 15, 2021, 09:15:34 pm
I mean Sogard actually came through with a liner into the gap and the Cubs are still going to fail to take advantage.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 15, 2021, 09:17:15 pm
That sucked.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 15, 2021, 09:18:16 pm
You think that sucked, you might want to turn away tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 15, 2021, 09:37:41 pm
What was the point of running for Contreras, one of our fastest and best baserunners? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 15, 2021, 10:12:03 pm
You might be able to justify the gamble with 2 outs (dubious) but it's sheer stupidity with 1 out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 15, 2021, 11:01:21 pm
Agree with JD said on the broadcast that a definite GO with two outs. Odds are better that relay will be non-perfect than likelihood of Heyward/Alcantara getting a 2-out base hit. With one out, I’m going to assume that defense does what it’s supposed to do and play it more conservatively.

Marisnick paused a bit between 1B and 2B to make sure ball was a hit—-that doomed him. With two outs, he would not have paused and likely scored more easily, running all the way.

Don’t agree terrible decision by Harris. Just the wrong one. There’s a difference. Ross said after game had “no problem” with the send, but he’s going to say that in any case.

For the Sogard doubters, he had a much better AB than Alcantara did in the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 16, 2021, 12:19:17 am
https://youtu.be/Uy-vb0y3T7c
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 16, 2021, 08:17:21 am
Agree with Reb...it took a perfect relay to get Marisnick. Also, even with only 1 out...no guarantees with Heyward and Alcantara to follow.

As mentioned on the telecast, the Mets are going to miss defense like that when their injured starters get back. No way McNeil makes a throw that well...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 09:31:21 am
Marisnick was out by a mile.  Very bad decision to send him with 1 out.  This isn't Little League.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 16, 2021, 11:08:09 am
The throw beat him by a mile. He was out by inches.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 11:11:14 am
In my book, that's the same as being out by a mile.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 16, 2021, 11:14:03 am
Furthermore, do you trust the .160 hitting Heyward to get him home from 3rd with 1 out?

Do the Mets bring the infield in, or concede the run to get the out?

I don’t see them walking Heyward to set up the DP with Alcantara, despite his bad night at the plate to that point…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 11:49:57 am
They would pitch to Heyward in that spot.  Can't know whether Heyward would've gotten the run home, but you have to take runners at the corners with one out over a very low percentage send of Marisnick.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 11:59:48 am
According to https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/runsperinning.html the likelihood of failing to score with runners at the corners and one out is only about 34%.  Sending Marisnick in that spot makes sense only if he's likely to make it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 16, 2021, 12:22:14 pm
In my opinion, sending him was the wrong decision, but not a stupid decision.  Since he knew that the runner would end up on second if they threw to home, at the very least they would (and did) still end up with a runner is scoring position.  It didn't work out, but if the throw home had been a little off line, we would all be praising the coach right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 16, 2021, 12:41:28 pm
A runner on third can score on a passed ball, a wild pitch, an error anywhere on the field, a squeeze, a balk...  A runner on third can force the pitcher to deliver differently than he would without pressure.  Who knows what pitch selection Heyward and Alcantara would have seen?  What would have happened if NY felt the need to bring in a different pitcher? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 16, 2021, 12:56:03 pm
Was there a relay man on the throw, I can’t remember.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 01:07:40 pm
Yes.  The outfielder picked up the ball when Marisnick was about halfway to third and the relay man had the ball when (or just a fraction after) Marisnick touched third base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 16, 2021, 01:12:03 pm
Oh.  Then I agree totally with P2.  Little chance of an errant throw.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 16, 2021, 01:19:10 pm
Good subject for an administrator to create a Bleacher Bums poll topic.

I'd vote that the send was acceptable looking at the next two hitters.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 16, 2021, 01:28:13 pm
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/scoring-and-not-scoring-the-runner-from-third/
https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/runsperinning.html

Thanks for the Gregstoll data.  That's interesting, I haven't seen that.  A 2018 article in fangraphs states the following:  "That’s plate appearances with a runner on third and less than two out that result in the runner on third scoring. These days, it’s somewhere around 50%. Where has it been before?"  I think I've had it my head for a few years now that the odds of scoring is ~50/50 based on that.  But the Stoll data suggests a very different probability, so the Fangraph must be just for the particular batter, rather than for the team that inning. 

I think in retrospect that there was <50% probability that the Mets would make such a strong and accurate and easy to catch-and-tag throw. 

reb is right, that Marisnick did have a hesitation at the very beginning, not being sure whether the ball would be catchable.  Without that, he scores easily.  But, the 3B coach had that already well in view when he waived him. 

I think Dave P's point is also well taken, that Marisnick scoring wasn't the only opportunity.  If Heyward or Alcantara had gotten a hit, Sogard was in scoring position.  And *IF* the throw had been not quite so excellent and Marisnick had scored, Sogard would now have been poised in scoring position with only one out. 

Dave23's point is also well taken, that Play's 34% no-score rate doesn't factor in that Jason Heyward is hitting .166 with a .544 OPS.  His odds of driving a ball for a sac or a hit are less than league average. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 16, 2021, 01:48:12 pm
I agree with everybody.  Or, maybe, nobody.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 16, 2021, 02:05:21 pm
You always want to hit the cutoff man with a good throw.  It was a good heads up play by the Mets.  I know it would never happen but Ross could have pinched hit for Heyward.  Hurt his feelings but so what.  Pinched hit for A too.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 02:11:27 pm
To be fair, the cutoff man was in very short right center field, so he had to make a pretty long throw to the plate.  Nonetheless, a poor gamble to send him IMO.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 16, 2021, 02:36:05 pm
This discussion is one of the reasons why baseball is such a great spectator sport. 

A play fails in football and you don't know if someone missed a block or ran the wrong route, etc.  With baseball it's all right in front of you.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 16, 2021, 02:44:19 pm
Cubs vs Jacob deGrom

https://www.rotowire.com/baseball/player-vs-batter.php?id=12854
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 16, 2021, 02:52:48 pm
Interesting about the cutoff man.  He knows he probably will have to throw to home, so does he position himself in the outfield to make the catch and throw with that in mind?  Does he measure his ability and understand where he should position himself?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 16, 2021, 03:09:48 pm
It looked like he knew that the fastest way to get the ball home was to minimize the distance that the outfielder had to throw on the relay.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 16, 2021, 04:19:32 pm
With today’s roster moves, Abbott probably follows a short stint by Stock tonight.

Stock takes Higgins 40-man roster spot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 16, 2021, 04:20:43 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 16, 2021, 04:24:02 pm
Odds on Lobaton getting a hit off de Grom first PA tonight?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 16, 2021, 04:26:05 pm
Lobaton is 4-7 vs deGrom.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 16, 2021, 04:27:00 pm
So, better than 50-50 odds?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on June 16, 2021, 05:03:03 pm
After his struggles yesterday I'm glad to see him sitting against DeGrom. Let Sogard be the sacrificial lamb.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davebear on June 16, 2021, 06:03:15 pm
Interesting about the cutoff man.  He knows he probably will have to throw to home, so does he position himself in the outfield to make the catch and throw with that in mind?  Does he measure his ability and understand where he should position himself?

Yes, as he's waiting for the throw other infielders are telling him where to go with the ball.

It was a play any high schooler would make.  Very bad coaching decision
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 16, 2021, 06:41:31 pm
Wood's record might be in danger tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 16, 2021, 06:42:27 pm
Although 11 foul balls already is a big win all things considered.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 16, 2021, 07:05:09 pm
9 batters, 8 K's for DeGrom.

Luckily we're in an era where they won't let him get near the 9th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 16, 2021, 07:15:33 pm
deGrom out after 3. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 16, 2021, 07:21:45 pm
He dominated like that with right shoulder soreness.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on June 16, 2021, 07:29:36 pm
How many early exits has he had this year?  His arm can’t seem to tolerate throwing 100, maybe he should just dial it back to 97 and still be really amazing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 16, 2021, 07:35:29 pm
Has there ever been an advertising campaign worse than the one currently run out by Liberty Mutual?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 16, 2021, 07:39:01 pm
This discussion is one of the reasons why baseball is such a great spectator sport. 

It also shows why baserunners and balls being put in play and action happening on the field are all so much more exciting than seeing another boring home run fly over the fence.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 16, 2021, 07:45:10 pm
Think Robert Stack could find home plate more often than Robert Stock, and he's dead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 16, 2021, 07:49:22 pm
Stock is wearing number 89.  That's the number of years the Cubs have been putting numbers on jerseys; they must be celebrating it.

Anybody want to guess how many people wore number 89 on all major league teams combined, since they started putting numbers on jerseys, before last season?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 16, 2021, 07:50:51 pm
Cubs pitching has 20 walks in this series, thru 4th inning of game 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 16, 2021, 07:56:00 pm
Beats me why Ross left Stock in after he walked the pitcher in 4th inning.

Ends inning with 79 pitches and two more runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on June 16, 2021, 07:56:53 pm
How many early exits has he had this year?  His arm can’t seem to tolerate throwing 100, maybe he should just dial it back to 97 and still be really amazing.

The mets are being careful with him... why is that a bad thing. even with their care... he's umm the bestest SP in baseball in terms of WAR while pitching less then 80% of the innings of anyone else in the top 10...

Save him. just get to the playoffs...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 16, 2021, 08:21:59 pm
Stock is wearing number 89.  That's the number of years the Cubs have been putting numbers on jerseys; they must be celebrating it.

Anybody want to guess how many people wore number 89 on all major league teams combined, since they started putting numbers on jerseys, before last season?

Winfield played tight end before he concentrated on baseball.  Maybe he wore it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 16, 2021, 08:35:49 pm
Winfield played tight end before he concentrated on baseball.  Maybe he wore it.

The actual answer is zero; in fact, 89 was the very last number to be issued for the first time; a Yankees pitcher got it last season.

The vast majority of all the players wearing numbers over 60 have been in the past two decades.  They used to be rare and you'd notice them; now seemingly every team has at least one, and last season, with the taxi-squad camp where people just kept their spring training numbers rather than have real ones on a AAA team, really kicked it into high gear.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 16, 2021, 08:49:15 pm
1 hit and 15 Ks for the offense through 8.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 16, 2021, 08:51:10 pm
17 strikeouts so far for Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 16, 2021, 08:56:42 pm
Fantastic play by Baez to end the 8th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 17, 2021, 03:22:27 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 17, 2021, 07:45:00 pm
The Cubs still haven't scored a run this series on anything other than a home run. 9 runs, 5 homers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 17, 2021, 08:07:27 pm
Hendricks has been terrific. 92 pitches through 6. Will Ross risk another?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 17, 2021, 08:28:57 pm
No.  Chafin puts them down in the 7th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 17, 2021, 09:01:10 pm
Hendricks shuts out through 6
Chafin, Tepera, Kimbrel 7.8.9.
Cubs 2 - 0.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 17, 2021, 09:02:16 pm
Nice pitching. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 17, 2021, 09:04:45 pm
Baez, Hendricks, bullpen tonight.

Javy with terrific defensive play in the 9th.

But, another miserable team offensive showing.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 17, 2021, 09:17:38 pm
Chafin, Tepera, Kimbrel has been automatic for the people.

Realistically, there's no way the bullpen can keep this up if they continue to be used up at their current pace (even factoring in some guys seriously overdue for a reversion to mean).  That's why Ross basically threw a winnable game yesterday rather than go to the pen in the 4th.  The rotation has to be upgraded considerably if this team is to be a real contender in October.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 17, 2021, 10:38:26 pm
https://youtu.be/YoS_0DipuCo
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 18, 2021, 03:44:04 pm
Is this the beginning of the end for Jason Heyward?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4MP_cLXIAk1jQK?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 18, 2021, 03:45:23 pm
Umpires for #Marlins (29-39) at #Cubs (39-30):
Angel Hernandez, Shane Livensparger, Stu Scheurwater, Lance Barksdale
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 18, 2021, 05:47:34 pm
ANGEL, MY FAVE! 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on June 18, 2021, 06:57:10 pm
Man, those highlights from yesterday's game, what a day Baez had defensively. Obviously the homer was kinda important, but it's so much fun to watch him play defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 18, 2021, 07:24:44 pm
Angel really squeezed Poteet in the first.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on June 18, 2021, 07:44:08 pm
Cubs 2021 TV play-by-play broadcasters:

1. Pat
2. Boog
<small gap>
3. Beth
<BIG gap>
4. Empty booth
<BIGGER gap>
5. Chris Freaking Myers
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 18, 2021, 07:51:31 pm
Man, what's your beef with the empty booth?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 18, 2021, 08:53:02 pm
Chris Myers just pronounced Javy's nickname as "El Mazho".  Back to Spanish 101 with you.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 18, 2021, 09:11:37 pm
You know how the strike zone is divided into nine rectangles?  Angel calls a ball on a pitch that is in the upper part of the bottom center rectangle.  It was well above the batter's knees.

And now that batter hits a home run and it's 8-2, Miami.

Davies finishes the inning but the Cubs are down six.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 18, 2021, 09:25:12 pm
Happens all the time. Catcher has to move from one side of the plate to the other side to catch the pitch—-and doesn’t get the strike call on a pitch in the zone. Happens A LOT.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 18, 2021, 10:19:50 pm
The Cubs have now scored 11 runs all on 7 homers the last 5 games.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 19, 2021, 10:36:56 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 19, 2021, 11:09:40 am
Pretty big game today.  Can't afford to let these offensive doldrums linger too long.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 12:49:35 pm
They have to be all angsted up in Milwaukee.  Agree this is a crucial game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 01:40:37 pm
Cubs spot Marlins three in top of the first.  Now we’ve got to play from behind probably the whole game. Bummer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 01:54:48 pm
Three stolen bases in two innings by Marlins, plus another run - 4 - 0 bottom second.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 02:01:18 pm
Happ grounds into a double play to end the second.  Cubs running out of innings to score, only seven left.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 19, 2021, 02:08:03 pm
I do understand getting players going.  But when you have players getting it done being bench for players who "need to get going" seems unfair, self-defeating, and counter productive.  By the time they get back into the actions, those players will "need to get going."
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 19, 2021, 02:20:18 pm
Sad to see, but Arrieta may be done.  Maybe he would be useful in a relief or closer role.  Worked for Eck.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 02:22:44 pm
Arrieta gets three outs in the third, which is one more than the number of runs scored. He’s not in line for the win is my guess.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 02:54:16 pm
Lopez strikes out Bryant, Rizzo, and Baez to end the 4th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 03:00:11 pm
Five stolen bases so far for Miami.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 03:16:00 pm
Thru 5 for the Cubs - 1 hit, 5K’s, 0BB, no runs, 1 error, 1 past ball.  7 - 0 Marlins.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 03:56:45 pm
Harry Caray sings the seventh inning stretch.  It was wonderful. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 04:10:46 pm
We need get some men on base, only got 6 outs left.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 19, 2021, 04:23:09 pm
Sogard gets the job done on 7 pitches in the top of the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Chris27 on June 19, 2021, 07:20:22 pm
They have played this week like I feared they were going to from the start of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 19, 2021, 07:35:03 pm
Lots of managerial and coaching errors the last week  but then when we are down by 6, we still have idiots trying to hit 7 run homers.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 20, 2021, 10:47:02 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 01:13:12 pm
One song is enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 20, 2021, 01:23:35 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 20, 2021, 01:40:51 pm
Hey, Chris Myers, is Rizzo, a Gold Glover?  Wanna tell me for the ten billionth time this weekend?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 20, 2021, 01:45:15 pm
Javy will have a prominent position in today's highlight post.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 20, 2021, 01:49:13 pm
Hey, Chris Myers, is Rizzo, a Gold Glover?  Wanna tell me for the ten billionth time this weekend?
How about when he got excited over a fly ball that the left fielder came in on?  He blamed his poor call on expecting the wind to be stronger.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 01:50:19 pm
Crowd erupted after the second great play and third out of the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 01:58:57 pm
Rizzo caught stealing on a 1 - 6.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 02:38:51 pm
Heyward was smart rounding third to draw the throw home so Pederson could cruise into second.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 02:51:48 pm
Rizzo gets picked off again, this time on a 2 - 6 to second base. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 03:14:26 pm
Took him fifteen pitches but Wisdom won the battle with a base hit. Bottom 5.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 03:44:03 pm
Rizzo continues his clutch hitting with a ground ball double play. Probably would of got picked off anyway, Willson ends the inning with a strike out.  2 - 0 Cubs end of 6.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 20, 2021, 04:16:26 pm
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 20, 2021, 05:29:55 pm
https://youtu.be/MJpdjkeidbg
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 21, 2021, 04:05:19 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4bxF8sX0AgPk9x?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 21, 2021, 04:43:36 pm
New "sticky stiff" rules apply beginning tonight


Umpires for #Indians (39-30) at #Cubs (40-32):
Quinn Wolcott, Tripp Gibson, Nick Mahrley, Hunter Wendelstedt
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 21, 2021, 05:23:22 pm
Let's hope that none of the Cubs pitchers have been using illegal "sticky stuff"  'Cause if they had to cheat in order to stink, imagine how they will be when they stop cheating.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on June 21, 2021, 07:52:09 pm
Not sure Pederson/Sogard is the greatest hit and run combo in the world....
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 21, 2021, 08:09:53 pm
 Baez doesn’t know how many outs there are and gets doubled up.  Ross takes him out of the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on June 21, 2021, 08:26:04 pm
Nice pick by Wisdom there...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 22, 2021, 12:34:53 am
The Baez brain cramp is included

https://youtu.be/mZMJMD8M_zk
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 22, 2021, 01:04:59 am
Cubs trying hard to lose ground in the Central but having difficulty doing so....so far.

Brewers, Reds lose. Cards idle.

Brewers manage to break DBacks 17 game losing streak. Reds blow 2-run lead in extras.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 22, 2021, 01:21:28 am
I actually find myself torn about whether I want them to stay in it or fall out. We have some really great, tradeable assets this year, and I find it hard to see us winning a series or two, even if we make it to the postseason. I definitely don’t want to see any significant prospects dealt when we are this much of a long shot.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 22, 2021, 12:48:52 pm
Is it possible that the center fielder held up two fingers after the fielder’s choice grounder by Baez?  On purpose? Do outfielders signal the number outs on plays that don’t involve them?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 22, 2021, 01:06:22 pm
The team has played like crap ever since that horrible decision to send Marisnick in New York.  Strange how sometimes one bad break just knocks the wind out of you and you can't get your swagger back.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 22, 2021, 01:21:00 pm
Correlation or causation....
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 22, 2021, 01:39:52 pm
Not sure.  But it seems in all sports, sometimes you have a last second shot, a last second field goal, a great play at shortstop, a walk off homer, and SOME teams take more time than others to get their swagger back.  We've seen some odd decisions by Ross, good players like Baez forgetting the number of outs, hot hitters sitting, cold hitters continuing to play, guys continuing to swing for the fences having forgotten that contact was what was working when they were winning.  It's like an infectious disease.  Hopefully they'll all get vaccinated soon, but morale and confidence seem low to me.  Hate to keep using the word "swagger," but it's what I don't see with the team right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 22, 2021, 02:35:14 pm
I actually find myself torn about whether I want them to stay in it or fall out. We have some really great, tradeable assets this year, and I find it hard to see us winning a series or two, even if we make it to the postseason. I definitely don’t want to see any significant prospects dealt when we are this much of a long shot.

I guess there’s always going to be an element of Cubs fandom who are uncomfortable about Cubs winning baseball games. Even in June when Cubs are tied for first place!

Out of 100 baseball fans who think this way, perhaps 90 are Cubs fans.

Probably a legacy of the “lovable losers” legacy.

That legacy is over. if you’re a Cubs fan, let me suggest that you actually root for Cubs to win games when Cubs are in a pennant race. But, to each his own.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 22, 2021, 03:34:24 pm
Not sure.  .... but morale and confidence seem low to me.  Hate to keep using the word "swagger," but it's what I don't see with the team right now

Beats me, but I think it's just the ups and downs of hitting in the major leagues.  Hard to swagger when you're getting shut out and you don't get hits or traffic, or drive guys in when they do get on. I'm not sure I see anything really different?  Baez is swinging hard with as much swagger as he always does, what's new?  Heyward and Bryant never swagger when they're hot; now that he's not does Bryant carry himself any different?  When Contreras gets big hits he celebrates; did he ever celebrate making outs?  Same for Joc, he has lots of fun when he's hitting, but did he ever celebrate about making outs in no-runs-scored innings?     
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 22, 2021, 03:42:16 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 22, 2021, 03:43:20 pm
I think our definitions of swagger is different, Craig.   To me, it's not necessarily "cocky."  It's attacking with confidence, not just sitting back waiting for the long ball.  The announcers have been pounding about that this year, which I've been glad to hear.  Hit the ball somewhere, maybe something good will happen.  For a short time, and, yes, you're correct, it's the ups and downs of hitting, the Cubs had my definition of swagger...now they don't.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 22, 2021, 03:44:43 pm
You know a number of us have expressed concerns about the trading of Baez, Bryant, or Rizzo, but I think the first guy to go will be Happ.  Just struggling.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 22, 2021, 04:04:45 pm
I think our definitions of swagger is different, Craig.   To me, it's not necessarily "cocky."  It's attacking with confidence, not just sitting back waiting for the long ball.  The announcers have been pounding about that this year, which I've been glad to hear.  Hit the ball somewhere, maybe something good will happen.  For a short time, and, yes, you're correct, it's the ups and downs of hitting, the Cubs had my definition of swagger...now they don't.
I guess I'm suggesting nothing has necessarily changed in terms of mindset or approach.  Baez was swinging for the fences when they were hot, he's swinging for the fences when they were cold.  No  change.  Bryant had good AB's hot, he's giving the same types of AB's when he's cold, he's just not hitting the ball as well.  Sogard is giving the same competitive situational AB's now as when they were hot. 

Certainly when you have lots of baserunners and guys in scoring position, especially with <2 outs, there's more opportunity for small ball and situational execution. 

I'm thinking the intentions haven't really changed, it's just the results.  When hot, weak contact goes for bloop doubles, and ground balls find holes.  When cold, grounders are DP's.  When you're hot, aggressive baserunning sometimes works and looks aggressive and exciting, and maybe the Mets make a crummy throw and Marisnick scores and we love those aggressive make-things-happen Cubs.  When cold, the opponent executes and he's out; Ross's run-and-hits become DP's. 

For me, I think I have some selective memory, too.  If a guy gets picked off or thrown out on the bases but they score 5 runs and win anyway, I'm not sure I remember those baserunning outs that much, I remember the run-scoring plays instead.  But when getting shut out, I tend to remember the pickoffs and failed run-and-hits. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 22, 2021, 04:26:16 pm
Let’s Get Some Runs!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 22, 2021, 04:33:28 pm
"For me, I think I have some selective memory, too.  If a guy gets picked off or thrown out on the bases but they score 5 runs and win anyway, I'm not sure I remember those baserunning outs that much, I remember the run-scoring plays instead.  But when getting shut out, I tend to remember the pickoffs and failed run-and-hits.  "   

I agree, Craig.  And I think the players, humans, also find those failures more vividly.  Baez baserunning error last night had nothing to do with the loss, but try convincing him of that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 22, 2021, 05:08:42 pm
Quote
Báez didn’t necessarily agree with Ross’ assessment that he’s been distracted: “I’m perfectly fine.” Báez said he was surprised by the decision, but ultimately respects the manager’s authority.  “He saw one thing, I saw another thing,” Báez said.



From Mooney article in Athletic.  I didn't hear the actual interview, so hopefully he's pulling out comments out of context. 


"He saw one thing, I saw another thing."  Not sure I get what's to see? 

Mooney's article didn't include any quotes from Baez acknowledging/apologizing/regretting that he did a bad thing.  No repentance expressed. 


I assume from a player's perspective, you obviously made a mistake, everybody watching saw it and knew it.  It's obvious I wasn't paying attention and I did something dumb, do I need to say something so obvious? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 22, 2021, 05:38:44 pm



From Mooney article in Athletic.  I didn't hear the actual interview, so hopefully he's pulling out comments out of context. 


"He saw one thing, I saw another thing."  Not sure I get what's to see? 

Mooney's article didn't include any quotes from Baez acknowledging/apologizing/regretting that he did a bad thing.  No repentance expressed. 


I assume from a player's perspective, you obviously made a mistake, everybody watching saw it and knew it.  It's obvious I wasn't paying attention and I did something dumb, do I need to say something so obvious? 

Baez did say the following: 

“I can’t go against him,” Báez said. “I blame it on myself. I lost count of the outs. We talked about it. We’re on the same page. I’ll be there tomorrow to help the team.”
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 22, 2021, 05:46:52 pm
Somebody (Boog?) thought Ross may have been upset will Javy also not running 100% on his way around second.   Has there been any discussion of that today?


It was the Cleveland PBP guy who thought Javy might not have been running hard enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 22, 2021, 05:58:32 pm
Soooo, he wasn't running hard enough when he shouldn't have been running at all.   Sheesh
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 22, 2021, 06:54:53 pm
I guess there’s always going to be an element of Cubs fandom who are uncomfortable about Cubs winning baseball games. Even in June when Cubs are tied for first place!

Out of 100 baseball fans who think this way, perhaps 90 are Cubs fans.

Probably a legacy of the “lovable losers” legacy.

That legacy is over. if you’re a Cubs fan, let me suggest that you actually root for Cubs to win games when Cubs are in a pennant race. But, to each his own.

I’m not uncomfortable when they’re winning games. And I root for them when I get to watch (or listen).  But, I also find myself a little conflicted about it, as I feel more Buildican then Nowacrat about this particular team, and if we do fall out of it, I’d love to restock the depleted farm a bit with some of our soon-to-be free agents, and our perhaps overachieving and definitely overworked bullpen.

That’s all.

To each his (or her) own.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 22, 2021, 07:11:25 pm
Hendricks retires the side in order in the first.  A good sign for him.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 22, 2021, 07:18:46 pm
Baez strikes out to end the inning and to make up for his mental illness yesterday.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 22, 2021, 07:43:43 pm
That’s number 95.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 22, 2021, 08:08:47 pm
I’m not uncomfortable when they’re winning games. And I root for them when I get to watch (or listen).  But, I also find myself a little conflicted about it, as I feel more Buildican then Nowacrat about this particular team, and if we do fall out of it, I’d love to restock the depleted farm a bit with some of our soon-to-be free agents, and our perhaps overachieving and definitely overworked bullpen.

That’s all. To each his (or her) own.


I get it that everybody roots in their own way. Personal matter.

But, there’s something Cublike about being “conflicted” about maybe winning isn’t the best thing in the current season circumstances.

I live in D.C. and it would never occur to even the most sophisticated Nats fan that maybe it would be a good thing if the Nats lose enough in June and July so they can trade Max Scherzer. Folks would be dumbfounded by that notion. If they stink in late-July, then okay about that but conflicted about winning too much in June? No.

A fair # of Cubs fans think losing in June and July is good unless the club is a favorite to win the pennant. I think it’s kind of a pathology of sorts that you don’t see with fans of any other club, at least to the extent of Cubs fans.

A curious thing. Not really being critical because, yes, rooting is personal. Just an observation.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on June 22, 2021, 08:36:58 pm
I'm always rooting for the Cubs to win no matter the circumstances.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 22, 2021, 08:52:36 pm
Pederson, with that short “e” just comes through big time with a two run double in the gap.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 22, 2021, 09:57:18 pm
I was lamenting us not getting more runs in the sixth with two men on and no outs, but fortunately Willson and Wisdom are helping us pull away.  7-2 in the eighth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 22, 2021, 10:15:44 pm
I don't see anyone rooting for the Cubs to lose in June and July.  I see several people that feel that the Cubs do not a team good enough this year that no matter what happens in June and July, they should not allow their assets to leave with little return, and face a future even worse than is currently likely to be.  Most are rooting for them to win every day, while hoping that they do not make stupid personnel decisions based upon an extreme long shot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 22, 2021, 10:56:54 pm
We know, Dave, Cubs could be in first place on July 31 and you’re trading away Bryant, Baez, etc. because trying to win—-even in those circumstances—-would be a “stupid personnel decision.”

Only Cubs fans with a lot of Cubs history baggage would take that point of view. No other club in baseball has fans with that perspective.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 22, 2021, 11:20:59 pm
One other point, Dave.

Rooting for the Cubs to win in June and July—-you have to know there is ZERO chance Cubs will be trading away major assets if Cubs have a successful June and July. If that happens, NO CHANCE that Bryant, etc get traded. 

At least Dihard and Deeg’s ambivalence about having a good June and July recognizes that Cubs are NOT dumping guys at the trade deadline if Cubs are in first place late July. That’s why they’re ambivalent of June/July success, as in, maybe it’s better to lose.

But, you seem to think, oh, let’s win—no problem—and then dump our best players when in first place with two months to go in the season. Sorry, that’s just bizarre. No club does that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 22, 2021, 11:21:30 pm
https://youtu.be/yAkW4MzdwZg
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 23, 2021, 01:57:35 am
This is yet more evidence of why the current system of multiple rounds of playoffs is so terrible.

Before playoffs came in, it was self-evident that you wanted to try to finish in first place if you were close, because winning the pennant was worthy of respect all by itself, and in a short (maximum 7 game) World Series, either team can win.

Now you can win your division but you have a less-than-1-in-8 chance of going all the way if you're among the weaker playoff teams.  Now a GM of a first-place team can say, "it's not like these guys will get anywhere in the playoffs; break the team up and play for the future when we can build a superteam".
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 24, 2021, 06:37:34 pm
Have the Cubs been playing to the level of their opponents?   This series with the Dodgers will begin to answer that question.

Umpires for #Cubs (41-33) at #Dodgers (44-30):
Brian O'Nora, D.J. Reyburn, Jeremy Riggs, Ryan Blakney

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4r0D6xWYAUppfX?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 24, 2021, 09:19:28 pm
Baez has his biscuit for breakfast. 1 - 0 Cubs bottom 1st.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 24, 2021, 09:52:53 pm
45 pitches for Davies after 2.  3 walks, 2 strikeouts, and the most important stat - 0 runs.  1 - 0 Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 24, 2021, 10:33:17 pm
Davies through 4 -  5 walks, 3 strikeouts, 76 pitches, no hits no runs.  1 - 0 Cubs thanks to El Mago.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 24, 2021, 10:42:38 pm
Davies singles to send Heyward to third with two outs, but Joc can only pop out to the infield and the inning ends.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 24, 2021, 10:51:32 pm
Davies with what, 87 pitches through 5.  But he’s got a no-hitter going.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 24, 2021, 11:05:24 pm
Willson COntreras with a hefty bag two run homer and we now lead the game 3 - 0 against Bueller who is probably done. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 24, 2021, 11:08:46 pm
94 thru 6. How far do you let Davies chase this?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 24, 2021, 11:10:47 pm
If there's anyone who should be allowed to go 135 pitches, it's Zach Davies.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 24, 2021, 11:15:22 pm
If there's anyone who should be allowed to go 135 pitches, it's Zach Davies.

Yeah, pretty much.  What - he's going to throw even softer?  He's a pending FA too.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 24, 2021, 11:18:18 pm
Marisnick pinch hit, so the Cubs are looking for a combined no hitter now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 24, 2021, 11:22:50 pm
I believe in fairly conservative pitch count management, generally.  But is it really necessary to pull a veteran after 94 pitches when he has a no-hitter going?  I suppose the theory is that he's not going to finish the game anyway.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 24, 2021, 11:46:41 pm
First base umpire has now had 3 calls reversed.  Good night.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 24, 2021, 11:49:05 pm
Sleep well.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 24, 2021, 11:53:40 pm
I believe in fairly conservative pitch count management, generally.  But is it really necessary to pull a veteran after 94 pitches when he has a no-hitter going?  I suppose the theory is that he's not going to finish the game anyway.   

That's what I'm thinking.  A CG no-hitter is ideal, but if the starter isn't going to finish, there isn't much difference whether he only goes six or if he makes it through seven or eight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 25, 2021, 12:01:45 am
Not a lot of variation in Chafin's pitch speed; everything he threw to Mookie during that walk was listed as 91, 92, or 93.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 25, 2021, 12:03:14 am
A double play grounder from Muncy, and the Cubs are through the eighth.  Kimbrel to finish?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 12:06:02 am
A double play grounder from Muncy, and the Cubs are through the eighth.  Kimbrel to finish?

I don't see why in the world not.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 12:09:04 am
No, in case things go south I would “save” Kimbrel.  The win is all important, the combined no hitter is just a stat, but a real cool one.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 25, 2021, 12:22:34 am
After a walk to Taylor to start the inning, Bellinger strikes out.  Pujols too.  Got to get through whomever they send up as a pinch hitter.  (Just let the reliever bat!)
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 25, 2021, 12:24:33 am
I’ll pay for this in the morning, but that was fun to watch…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 25, 2021, 12:24:41 am
We did it!

First combined no-hitter in Cubs history, I think.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 12:27:28 am
Well Deeg, you were absolutely right.  8 combined walks and a combined no hitter.  First time in Cub history!  Holy Cow!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on June 25, 2021, 12:27:55 am
Very cool.   First time Pujols had been on a team no hit. First combined no-no for Cubs. First loss for Bueller since 2019. A night of firsts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 12:31:20 am
After getting swept by the Padres, this has got to be a real downer for the Dodgers.  Hope it lifts the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 25, 2021, 12:31:52 am
First base umpire has now had 3 calls reversed.  Good night.
D. J. Reyburn will be behind the plate Friday night.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 12:34:38 am
Cheapened as they've become, a no-no is still pretty cool.

Also, Kimbrel right now is just- filthy doesn't do it justice.  Obscene?  Illegal?  10 hits and 52 KS in 30.1 IP - even at his best (which was among the best anyone has ever been) he's never been this dominant in terms of not giving up hits.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 25, 2021, 12:38:48 am
Well, I was certainly rooting for that one! Love the accomplishment, and especially against the Dodgers. Great game, boys!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2021, 12:48:16 am
8 walks in a no-hitter.

The record is 11 walks——in a combined no-no started by Blue Moon Odom.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 25, 2021, 12:53:01 am
https://youtu.be/zmebWyGiRBU
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 25, 2021, 12:56:02 am
We always talk about how the Cubs' level of play seems to rise and fall with the opposition, and today's game was good evidence of that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 01:09:00 am
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Walker Buehler is the only pitcher to start a combined no-hitter and start a game where the opponent had a combined no-hitter.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 25, 2021, 01:21:49 am
https://youtu.be/131Oqo5BH-0
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 25, 2021, 01:25:30 am
UP NEXT

Tony Gonsolin (0-0, 3.00 ERA) hasnt won since returning to the rotation, but the Dodgers are 3-0 in his starts. Hell face Arrieta (5-8, 5.45), who is 0-4 with an 8.20 ERA in his last five starts for Chicago.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2021, 01:52:00 am
Kimbrel said after the game that he was unaware Cubs had a no-hitter until he was told after the final out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 02:44:50 am
Speaking of no-hitters...

In his last 10 appearances Kimbrel is 9.1-0–0-0-2-17.  He hasn’t given up a hit since May 26, exactly one month.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 25, 2021, 09:30:43 am
HR's are a really efficient way to score runs and win games.  Both Buehler pitches to Baez and Contreras were badly located mistakes; and both guys didn't waste them.  Often the mistakes end up being flyballs or foul balls or popups or expected-something-else takes.  But those were a couple of opportunity pitches and Baez and Contreras capitalized. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 25, 2021, 09:44:54 am
Not arguing either way for a trade, but what could we get for Kimbrel right now?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 25, 2021, 09:48:27 am
Looking ahead to Saturday

MLB ON FOX: JUNE 26, 2021  6:15 CDT

(https://506sports.com/mlb/2021/june26.png)

NY Yankees @ Boston
 
Cubs @ Dodgers
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on June 25, 2021, 09:48:33 am
If there ever was a time to sell high...  Now is the time.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 10:13:15 am
UP NEXT

Tony Gonsolin (0-0, 3.00 ERA) hasnt won since returning to the rotation, but the Dodgers are 3-0 in his starts. Hell face Arrieta (5-8, 5.45), who is 0-4 with an 8.20 ERA in his last five starts for Chicago.
  New nickname for Arrieta.  Hell Face!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 10:13:52 am
Looking ahead to Saturday

MLB ON FOX: JUNE 26, 2021  6:15 CDT

(https://506sports.com/mlb/2021/june26.png)

NY Yankees @ Boston
 
Cubs @ Dodgers

  Will there ever be respect for the Gadsden Purchase?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 11:32:52 am
If Arrieta tanks again tonight, do you take him out of the starting rotation?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 01:22:15 pm
Everybody knows that baseball games are won with positive vibes from the stands.  Jake will have his mojo working and the game will be won by midnight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 01:25:54 pm
If Arrieta tanks again tonight, do you take him out of the starting rotation?
  And replace him with ????
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 01:28:50 pm
Right.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on June 25, 2021, 03:24:29 pm
Not arguing either way for a trade, but what could we get for Kimbrel right now?

A lot.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 25, 2021, 06:15:18 pm
One other point, Dave.

Rooting for the Cubs to win in June and July—-you have to know there is ZERO chance Cubs will be trading away major assets if Cubs have a successful June and July. If that happens, NO CHANCE that Bryant, etc get traded. 

At least Dihard and Deeg’s ambivalence about having a good June and July recognizes that Cubs are NOT dumping guys at the trade deadline if Cubs are in first place late July. That’s why they’re ambivalent of June/July success, as in, maybe it’s better to lose.

But, you seem to think, oh, let’s win—no problem—and then dump our best players when in first place with two months to go in the season. Sorry, that’s just bizarre. No club does that.

You are not even close.  At no time have I tried to predict what the Cubs will do.  I agree that if the Cubs are doing well in July, they will probably trade prospects for a mediocre starter.  What I am saying is that, if they do that, they will be hurting the future of the team for an odds-against help for the present.  Dihard expressed my views perfectly.  I hope they win every game, but are frustrated because that will likely cause them to make another Quintana trade.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 25, 2021, 06:26:29 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 06:38:10 pm
Not arguing either way for a trade, but what could we get for Kimbrel right now?

A lot.  Like, Chapman-level return I would imagine.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 06:38:45 pm
  And replace him with ????

That was going to be my question.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2021, 07:12:47 pm
You are not even close.  At no time have I tried to predict what the Cubs will do.  I agree that if the Cubs are doing well in July, they will probably trade prospects for a mediocre starter.  What I am saying is that, if they do that, they will be hurting the future of the team for an odds-against help for the present.  Dihard expressed my views perfectly.  I hope they win every game, but are frustrated because that will likely cause them to make another Quintana trade.

You’re side-stepping what you’ve said previously.

Which is: even if Cubs are in first place just before the trade deadline, Cubs should still trade Bryant, etc. As you concede, however, Cubs will do just the opposite if they continue winning. Which, you say, is a bad thing.

That’s a Cubs Loser mentality grounded in decades of Cubs Losing Fandom Syndrome.

It’s not a bad thing to be in a good place in late July. It’s a GOOD THING.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 07:31:16 pm
That was going to be my question.

Well certainly you can’t keep running a pitcher out to the mound to start the game and let him give up four runs in three innings, can you?  There’s nobody else who maybe can give up less runs in three innings?  Seems to me Sogard could probably do it if he wasn’t so necessary at second base.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 08:38:57 pm
Well certainly you can’t keep running a pitcher out to the mound to start the game and let him give up four runs in three innings, can you?  There’s nobody else who maybe can give up less runs in three innings?  Seems to me Sogard could probably do it if he wasn’t so necessary at second base.

If there’s some sort of one antivaxxer in the rotation quota, Sogard for Arrietta would be an option.

It’s a shame Marquez got sick, because he might be a real option now if he was fully stretched out and healthy.  The problem is I’m not sure there’s a more viable alternative than Sogard in the system.  I’m sure you could trade for Lester cheap.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 25, 2021, 08:42:16 pm
Or you could just help Colin Rea pack?

How’s he doing over there anyway?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 25, 2021, 08:51:00 pm
Or you could just help Colin Rea pack?

How’s he doing over there anyway?

2.25 ERA but only 3 starts. I think he’s carrying some sort of injury.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 25, 2021, 09:07:45 pm
That was the worst National Anthem I’ve ever heard.  I mean that was really bad.  Where do they come up with these “people” ?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 10:51:13 pm
Seems like Heyward is breaking a lot of bats lately, hasn't he?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 10:52:26 pm
Maybe I've missed it, but when the umpires check a pitcher coming out of the game, they check his hat and his glove, but I've not seen any of them actually look at his hand.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 10:59:05 pm
Top of the fifth, 2 on, nobody out, once again we can't find a guy who can bunt and KB let's the best two pitches to hit go by.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 25, 2021, 11:09:23 pm
Why is Sutcliffe here? Marquee still doesn't seem to realize that Jim Deshaies is one of the best color guys in the business.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 11:13:58 pm
There is a huge feud between Boog and JD, so Sutcliffe has to set between them.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 25, 2021, 11:47:36 pm
Nelson's gonna kill somebody.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on June 26, 2021, 12:05:03 am
Tied up now in the 7th. Battle of the bullpens. First time as a Cub fan I can remember feeling that is a good thing. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 26, 2021, 12:09:33 am
Getting 5 innings with 2 ER from Arrieta feels like a good deal these days.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 26, 2021, 10:09:33 am
The Fox announcers for today's game with the Dodgers will be Joe Buck, John Smoltz, and Ken Rosenthal.

Their other game, the Yankees at Red Sox, will have Joe Davis and Eric Karros.    I would have expected those assignments to be reversed.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 26, 2021, 03:59:35 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 26, 2021, 04:30:32 pm
I like this lineup. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 26, 2021, 04:37:07 pm
It’s not who you play but when you play ‘em.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 26, 2021, 05:50:53 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 26, 2021, 06:36:30 pm
You’re side-stepping what you’ve said previously.

Which is: even if Cubs are in first place just before the trade deadline, Cubs should still trade Bryant, etc. As you concede, however, Cubs will do just the opposite if they continue winning. Which, you say, is a bad thing.

That’s a Cubs Loser mentality grounded in decades of Cubs Losing Fandom Syndrome.

It’s not a bad thing to be in a good place in late July. It’s a GOOD THING.

What I have said many times is that prior to the trading deadline, the Cubs should make their very best offer to Bryant, Rizzo and Baez, and if they refuse to sign, then they should be traded, regardless of how the team is doing at that particular time.

I have also said many times that the Cubs should not trade significant prospects for two month rentals, regardless of how well they are doing at the trade deadline.

You have constantly either sidestepped those contentions, or have conflated the two issues and refuted neither.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 26, 2021, 07:11:04 pm
Top of the fifth, 2 on, nobody out, once again we can't find a guy who can bunt and KB let's the best two pitches to hit go by.
  repeat from yesterday.  Just saving my breath.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 26, 2021, 07:43:26 pm
2-1 after 4.  Just tuned in to see a 1st-and-3rd one-out situation, Urias bunting, pitch was outside, and Contreras made a quick great throw to 3rd to pick off Taylor.  Not sure I've often seen the 3B pickoff, very timely.  Especially because Urias then immediately ripped a single, Alcantara would have had it deep, but Rizzo dived after it and deflected it away.  Betts then ripped one but right at Bryant.  Just watching that inning, Mills didn't seem to be hitting his spots well at all.  Given his stuff, he can't afford to miss very often. 

Ross and the Cubs are kinda lucky to get Mills through 4 innings with only the 2 runs allowed, and a 1-run deficit.  Hopefully the bullpen will have more luck tonight than yesterday, with 5 innings to cover.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 26, 2021, 07:47:37 pm
Alcantara with a terrible AB after Heyward leads off with a double.  Would like to at least make contact and advance the runner, but he takes a couple of big swings and misses on top-edge fastballs, then takes a fastball almost right down the middle for strike 3.  Somewhat a little on the outer half, perfect for hitting to the right side and at least advancing the runner.  Very bad guess there, bad AB. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 26, 2021, 07:48:33 pm
Happ with a nice, kinda-lucky opposite field slice down the right field line gets in Heyward.  2-2. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 26, 2021, 08:14:09 pm
Announcers talking about checking the pitchers.  I've been watching.  They check the glove and the hat, but nobody checks the hand.  What sense does that make? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 26, 2021, 08:33:52 pm
What I have said many times is that prior to the trading deadline, the Cubs should make their very best offer to Bryant, Rizzo and Baez, and if they refuse to sign, then they should be traded, regardless of how the team is doing at that particular time.

I have also said many times that the Cubs should not trade significant prospects for two month rentals, regardless of how well they are doing at the trade deadline.

You have constantly either sidestepped those contentions, or have conflated the two issues and refuted neither.

So, hypothetically and assuming they want to go to free agency, if the Cubs have a 5 game lead at the trade deadline, you would like to see Cubs trade away Bryant, Rizzo, Baez. All of them. Is that right?

In the 120-year modern history of baseball, is there any precedent for something like that?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 26, 2021, 08:55:27 pm
Winkler does a great job pitching around a walk to Betts, striking Muncy and Turner out to end the inning.  Still 2-2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 26, 2021, 09:05:52 pm
Wieck and Winkler both have really effective outings.  brothers in now, he always makes me really nervous.  K's the first guy. 

A couple innings back, Heyward hit one that was initially ruled a HR, then overrules (correctly).  But he missed the pole by about an inch or two.  So close. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 26, 2021, 09:14:06 pm
The Cubs bull pen has been truly incredible since May.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 26, 2021, 09:14:40 pm
Brothers K's the side.  That guy gets so many chase swings.  If the hitters would just chill, at least two of those K's could have been walks if the Dodgers could have only laid off. 

Cubs had a cool top-of-the 8th.  Bryant, Rizzo, and Baez each came up swinging, Bryant his a rocket that Turner snared.  But they went down on three pitches. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 26, 2021, 09:17:20 pm
Divine was benched when he was hot and now he's turning back into a pumpkin.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 26, 2021, 09:18:05 pm
Wisdom with four strikeouts in four at bats.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 26, 2021, 09:18:56 pm
So, hypothetically and assuming they want to go to free agency, if the Cubs have a 5 game lead at the trade deadline, you would like to see Cubs trade away Bryant, Rizzo, Baez. All of them. Is that right?

In the 120-year modern history of baseball, is there any precedent for something like that?

Any or all of them.  Just out of curiosity, if the Cubs were 5 games ahead of this division at the trade deadline, what would you say the odds would be of them winning the World Series with this tea
What difference does it make if there has been any precedent for it.  However, the White Sox "White Flag" trade while three games ahead comes to mind.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 26, 2021, 09:21:04 pm
Sure wish Hayward's "home run" hadn't been called foul
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Jack Birdbath on June 26, 2021, 09:23:27 pm
The Sox were 3.5 back when they made that trade.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 26, 2021, 09:29:46 pm
 Wisdom is 7 for his last 45 ABs, with 22 Ks.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 26, 2021, 09:30:26 pm
The Sox were 3.5 back when they made that trade.

You are right.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 26, 2021, 09:32:01 pm
With two outs in the ninth, Bellinger hits a walk-off homer off Keegan to win the game for the Dodgers. Nuts.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 26, 2021, 09:44:52 pm
Bummer.  I'm the board heretic, but I was looking forward to a 10th inning with the exciting runner-on-2nd opportunity. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 26, 2021, 09:50:59 pm
Heretic.

Bullpen takes the loss, but this sure wasn’t their fault.  If you don’t have SP and you can’t score runs, sustaining a run in contention is pretty tough.  Especially as carriages are starting to turn into pumpkins.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 26, 2021, 09:51:25 pm
Any or all of them.  Just out of curiosity, if the Cubs were 5 games ahead of this division at the trade deadline, what would you say the odds would be of them winning the World Series with this tea
What difference does it make if there has been any precedent for it.  However, the White Sox "White Flag" trade while three games ahead comes to mind.

Historical precedent of 120 years is telling. If nobody has ever done anything like you are proposing in at least 120 years, it says something.

What it says is that nobody plays this “odds” game that you are playing. If you have even a plausible chance to succeed at low odds, you don’t throw in the towel. Why play baseball games if you’re going to throw in the towel “regardless of how well they are doing” [your words].

You play 100 games, sit in first place by 5 games, and then trade away your best players??? There’s a reason nobody has ever done that.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 26, 2021, 10:16:49 pm
Bummer.  I'm the board heretic, but I was looking forward to a 10th inning with the exciting runner-on-2nd opportunity. 

Me too, in the only situation where it's possible to look forward to that: on the road, in a tied game, in the bottom of the ninth.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 27, 2021, 04:12:09 pm
Splitting a four game series with the defending World Series champions in their ballpark would be acceptable

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 27, 2021, 05:05:20 pm
Have to get some momentum going into that beer soaked city that made wrecks out of a lot of us. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 27, 2021, 06:54:33 pm
I thought all the teams had moved to bat girls instead of bat boys, running out there with short shorts and cool looking socks.  Guess not.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 27, 2021, 07:52:26 pm
Just our of
Me too, in the only situation where it's possible to look forward to that: on the road, in a tied game, in the bottom of the ninth.

There is a reason.  GMs are answerable to the owners and the fans, so they have to take into account short run financial factors as well as the long term performance of the team.  I agree that most GMs do not concentrate on the long term, since they can be fired in the short term.  That very problem hurts managers of a great many businesses other than baseball.

Your repeated mention of 120 years of baseball experience seems rather disingenuous when talking about a free agency issue, since free agency has not been with us for 120 years.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 27, 2021, 11:17:58 pm

There is a reason.  GMs are answerable to the owners and the fans, so they have to take into account short run financial factors as well as the long term performance of the team.  I agree that most GMs do not concentrate on the long term, since they can be fired in the short term.  That very problem hurts managers of a great many businesses other than baseball.

Your repeated mention of 120 years of baseball experience seems rather disingenuous when talking about a free agency issue, since free agency has not been with us for 120 years.

The reason a first place club doesn’t trade away its best players/free agents at the trade deadline is that each season— when you have a chance to win— is precious.

Nobody does it because it is unacceptable in the industry—-owners, fans, players, media, you name it. Whether we date it from the free agency era starting in 1976 or the next 100 years, nobody does it nor will ever do it. There is no point in fielding a major league team if a first place club 5 games ahead throws in the towel on July 31.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on June 28, 2021, 01:32:35 pm
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nobody does it nor will ever do it. There is no point in fielding a major league team if a first place club 5 games ahead throws in the towel on July 31.

It only takes one brave team to do it.  If it is successful and builds a better contender in the long run, then others will follow.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 28, 2021, 03:34:28 pm
Not brave, but absurd and dumb.

Haven’t you heard, GMs are smarter than ever before…and even some of the dumb GMs from the early free agency era weren’t THAT dumb.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 28, 2021, 04:33:27 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 28, 2021, 06:13:18 pm
Jordan Bastian

Ross: Rizzo (back) getting treatment and out of lineup, but potentially available off bench. Planned day off for heavily-worked Contreras.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 28, 2021, 07:46:04 pm
Hmm.  Hendricks added to his WHIP I’m pretty sure in that inning. 20 plus pitches in the first.  2 runs. 4 hits, 1 walk. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 28, 2021, 07:58:55 pm
Peralta’s WHIP goes up too in his second inning against Cubs but he strikes out Baez (no sh!t) on three pitches to end the inning leaving the bases loaded.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 28, 2021, 08:54:18 pm
Baez walks (huh?) in the fifth but then  gets thrown out at second trying to steal to end the inning.  3 - 2 Brewers bottom 5.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 28, 2021, 09:09:54 pm
100 million and he pops it up. KB in top of 6, one out.  Heyward pops out too, then Sogard for some insane reason tries to bunt for a hit and is out three.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 28, 2021, 09:15:30 pm
With Lobaton catching, every single by a player who can run at all is actually a double. There has to be a better option for backup catcher.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on June 28, 2021, 09:26:36 pm
Wisdom! 4-4!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 28, 2021, 09:37:04 pm
The pitching coach comes out to have a talk with Boxburger, the league has figured out Wisdom - or have they?  2 run monster homer by Wisdom to tie the game.  Baez strikes out again to end the inning.  4 - 4 bottom 7
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 28, 2021, 10:31:53 pm
This is Tepera's second bad outing in a row.  He looks scared.  Where did his confidence go?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 28, 2021, 10:55:05 pm
Had to leave for a few minutes.

Anything happen in bottom of the eighth?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 28, 2021, 10:57:31 pm
Had to leave for a few minutes.

Anything happen in bottom of the eighth?
  So you're the one that jinxed it.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on June 28, 2021, 11:14:01 pm
Yeah, I’m chained to the tv during all Cubs games but my handler let me get away for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on June 28, 2021, 11:18:12 pm
With Flaherty hurt and Hendricks regularly having mediocre outings, the Brewers have the three best starting pitchers in the division. It would be a pretty big upset if anyone else won the division this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on June 29, 2021, 06:16:01 am
When does the fire sale start?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 29, 2021, 03:01:40 pm
Baseball Gods look after fools and drunks.  I passed out on the couch in the top of the 8th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 29, 2021, 03:18:15 pm
So they took care of both you and Reb.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 29, 2021, 04:27:59 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 29, 2021, 04:30:00 pm
Sogard pitched well again at least.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 29, 2021, 07:05:14 pm
Well here we go, another terrible  national anthem.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 29, 2021, 07:18:49 pm
Baez swings and misses on a high fast ball for strike three to end the inning. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 29, 2021, 09:02:30 pm
Found out from the radio broadcast that Bryant is out because his side hurts. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 29, 2021, 09:04:03 pm
Is Davies hurt? Or did Ross just decide he had seen enough tonight?

Either way, it’s going to be another long night for the bullpen.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 29, 2021, 11:00:15 pm
I now will have nightmares about the bottom of the 9th of the league championship, trailing 4-3, Kimbrel pitching for the Mets because that's who we traded him to, and with two out and the bases loaded the only pinch hitter left is...Jose Loboton.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 29, 2021, 11:07:02 pm
Can Sogard catch?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 29, 2021, 11:10:50 pm
Sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 30, 2021, 12:20:50 am
Lobaton's wipeout at first base that ends the game is not shown.

If he is out for a while, maybe Koyie Hill is playing in the Northwoods League and could come in.

https://youtu.be/354n86j4vLw
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on June 30, 2021, 12:36:01 am
Doesn't sound like Bryzzo are imminently returning either.

Jed pretty much needs to keep his cell phone charged and at his hip from now until the deadline.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on June 30, 2021, 10:56:18 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 30, 2021, 01:19:34 pm
I’d bet that Javy is pissed that his 2 RBI single was a fair ball…kept him from driving in 4…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 01:25:57 pm
Well he went the other way.  His triple was the other way.  I was waiting to post “and Baez strikes out with the bases loaded and nobody out.”  5 runs so far for Cubs top 1st.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 01:33:37 pm
Wisdom up with bases loaded and that bitter taste in his mouth from that 10 run inning the other night.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 01:38:48 pm
Broken bat bloop single 7 - 0.  We might win this one, knock on wood.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on June 30, 2021, 01:59:43 pm
Staked to a 7-0 lead, in the bottom of the 1st, Arrieta is unable to throw strikes.  Loads the bases and walks in a run.  32 pitches.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 02:03:41 pm
Who’s glove is Wisdom wearing?  7 - 1 Cubs top 2nd.  Arrieta not exactly mowing them down.  BTW -  316 pitches combined in the game last night.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 02:29:03 pm
Good lord!  What else can go wrong.  Send Arrieta packing, he can’t even go two innings with a 7 run lead.  No, he gives up 5 runs, almost gets Wisdom killed, and can’t find the strike zone and . . .
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 30, 2021, 02:45:27 pm
Wow, 7-6 after 2.  Sogard saved the lead with an excellent knockdown on a rocket down the line that took a bad hop.  He was already in dive mode, ball took a big hop, difficult knockdown kept the tying run from scoring.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 30, 2021, 02:48:04 pm
Keegan gets the 3rd out of the 2nd inning, then Ross takes him out to go with Rex Brothers for the 3rd inning.  Why did Ross do that?  I figured he'd try to get a couple of innings out of Thompson.  Is there something wrong with Thompson? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CUBluejays on June 30, 2021, 02:59:27 pm
He's pitched the 25, 26 and 29th.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: craig on June 30, 2021, 03:03:50 pm
Thanks.  Hadn't realized he's gone so many lately. 

Q from yesterday:  Davis went only 4. Just ready to go to the pen because it was a competitive game and he was ready for 3rd time through the lineup?  Or was he hurt or something? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 30, 2021, 03:04:15 pm
 
Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #1390 on: May 17, 2021, 10:50:35 pm »
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Nance appearance today made him the 19993rd major league of all time. 7 away from 20k.
 
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Quote from: davep on May 18, 2021, 08:30:21 am
The Cubs should fill that in this season, all by themselves.

I don't know if you're doing a bit, but I find that highly doubtful.

Tommy Nance          19,993
Cory Abbot                 19.994
Taylor Gushue           19,995
Justin Steele              19,996
P J Higgins                  19,997
Trevor Megill             19,998
Keegan Thompson    19,999

I think Megill was already up when Nance came up, but the Cubs are certainly trying to do their best to make me a prophet.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on June 30, 2021, 03:11:51 pm
Broken bat bloop single 7 - 0.  We might win this one, knock on wood.

Are you sure it was wood you knocked on?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 03:37:15 pm
It’s only 14 - 7  Breweries.  Score a TD, kick the EP, and we are all tied up. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on June 30, 2021, 03:47:00 pm
If we lose all our FA's, this is next year, and the year after, and maybe the next 109.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 30, 2021, 03:59:51 pm
It’s only 14 - 7  Breweries.  Score a TD, kick the EP, and we are all tied up.
I was thinking the same. Maybe we’ll have a strong 4th quarter and win 21-14.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: mO on June 30, 2021, 04:00:02 pm
2021 rock bottom?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on June 30, 2021, 04:04:24 pm
SMMFH...
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 30, 2021, 04:08:27 pm
I was thinking the same. Maybe we’ll have a strong 4th quarter and win 21-14.


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We were well-positioned for a field goal in the top of the sixth, with two on and nobody out. But a Joc double play and Javy pop up turns the ball over to the Packers.


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on June 30, 2021, 04:45:45 pm
This is really bad folks, 6 games back is actually 12 games back.  Gonna make up 6 games with this stellar starting pitching staff?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on June 30, 2021, 04:51:17 pm
This should be interesting when the inning ends...will they check Sogard's glove and hat?

He clearly has what looks like pine tar on the bill of his cap.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on June 30, 2021, 05:01:15 pm
2021 rock bottom?
So far anyway…


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dev on July 01, 2021, 10:32:22 am
Reading play by play...Mills pinch hit for Heywood....WTF?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 01, 2021, 12:59:40 pm
Reading play by play...Mills pinch hit for Heywood....WTF?

It’s baseball.

Laugher game. Sogard moves from 3B to pitcher. Contreras to 3B. Pederson to 1B. Heyward comes in to play RF for one inning.

When Heyward spot comes up next inning, no point having him run unnecessarily on planned day off. Mills stands there and Ks. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dev on July 02, 2021, 06:15:11 am
It’s baseball.

Laugher game. Sogard moves from 3B to pitcher. Contreras to 3B. Pederson to 1B. Heyward comes in to play RF for one inning.

When Heyward spot comes up next inning, no point having him run unnecessarily on planned day off. Mills stands there and Ks. 
Nothing funny about that...he was pinch hit because he is batting.161
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 02, 2021, 01:27:27 pm
Arrieta pitched 1.2 innings.  Gave up six runs but only three ER, checking the box this morning that means an error or two, am I right?  The only error by Cubs was a throwing error by Arrieta. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 02, 2021, 01:56:05 pm
Keep your earned run average down by making errors.  Past ball that results in a run?  Wild pitch that results in a run?  Are they ERs? WP must be.  If that is the case then the throwing error that resulted in runs should be earned runs.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 02, 2021, 03:19:29 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 02, 2021, 05:48:51 pm
Umpires for #Cubs (42-39) at #Reds (40-40):
HP: Jim Wolf
1B: Nestor Ceja
2B: Sam Holbrook
3B: Cory Blaser.

First Pitch: 7:10 pm
Venue: Great American Ball Park
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 03, 2021, 12:17:55 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on July 03, 2021, 01:44:18 pm
I like Ross and I think the players do too, but sometimes his decisions are head scratchers.  He has 3 lefties in the bullpen who have proved to be useful: Wieck, Chaffin, and Brothers.  Brothers had a bad outing a few days ago when Ross tried to use him for a second inning.   So yesterday, with a one run lead, he brings in Morgan, a rookie, who, in my estimation, has not achieved the circle of trust Ross requires.  Why?  That was a crucial and losing decision.

And the way our free agents are playing, they are hurting their future paychecks with their recent performance and hurting their trade values as well.

Where can you hide Baez in the lineup where he won't kill a crooked number inning?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 03, 2021, 02:46:01 pm
First, Morgan is not a rookie. He has 200 games in big leagues and 5 years of major league service service time.

Second, Ross almost never uses Chafin in 6th inning and, with Tepera out, unreasonable to expect him to do that.

Brothers threw 32 pitches on Wednesday, so he probably had a couple days off.

Wieck has thrown a lot lately too but, in any case, to quibble about Morgan vis a vis Wieck?

The choice there is leave in Mills or to bring in a lefty and Ross did the latter. A reasonable choice.

The big play that inning was Happ failing to get the scorcher grounder hit by Castellanos. Very hard hit ball but Happ is positioned perfectly to knock it down and get an out—-a play many 2B would make. He didn’t. So, Votto up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 03, 2021, 03:03:42 pm
Chris Myers is with JD again today.  I don't mind Boog when he is there, but I don't miss him when he is gone.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on July 03, 2021, 05:21:55 pm
I’m all for homer announcers, and appreciate the ones the Cubs have had over the years, but this new guy for the Reds really needs to turn the exuberance down a few notches…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 03, 2021, 05:53:33 pm
This never works, bringing in your closer, Kimbrel in this case, with your team down late.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 03, 2021, 07:24:00 pm
Keeping Kimbrel's trade value as high as possible is a real concern.  Closers who never get to close tend to struggle both from underuse and lack of high-impact adrenaline.  With Bryant it's pretty straightforward - he either stays healthy or he doesn't, starts hitting again (like today) or he doesn't.  With Kimbrel - the most valuable chip we have given the option year - it' a lot more complicated.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 04, 2021, 09:44:52 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 04, 2021, 10:24:49 am
Glad to see Nico back.  Seems he should be batting in front of Wisdom though.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on July 04, 2021, 11:56:51 am
Maybe the Cubs will regain the skill of avoiding being swept.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 04, 2021, 12:58:22 pm
I love Pat Hughes pronouncing Contreras with that long O.  He knows nobody else pronounces Willson’s name that way but he does it every time anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on July 04, 2021, 01:05:51 pm
LOL, you can’t tell me they’re not hitting super balls right now…that pitch Castellanos just hit was way low and way away, and he reached out and flicked at it and hit it to the track in LF…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 04, 2021, 02:34:34 pm
This is do or die right here.  3 - 2 Reds top 8. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 04, 2021, 02:44:20 pm
3 - 2 Reds now bottom 8.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on July 04, 2021, 03:13:18 pm
Well, we got 11 hits!


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on July 04, 2021, 03:13:19 pm
.500
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on July 04, 2021, 03:23:04 pm
And it wasn't easy to get to .500.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on July 04, 2021, 03:47:24 pm
It'll be easier to get to .400.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 04, 2021, 04:36:12 pm
.500

Took longer to get here than I expected but it feels about right.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on July 04, 2021, 05:51:08 pm
The parties over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 01:19:23 pm
I didn’t like the way Hoerner hesitated at home before running to first on a ground ball. Worried still about his hamstring? 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 01:34:54 pm
It’s not impossible certainly at this point -  8 (16) games back - but that would take everybody getting hot.  Then, what, everybody is going to to cold again?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 03:41:29 pm
It’s not about how many times you fall down.  It’s about how many times you get back up.  —

Police officer: That’s not the way a sobriety test works, son.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 05, 2021, 04:12:06 pm
Jason Heyward sits again.  When the end to his career finally arrives, I hope it is an honorable one.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 05, 2021, 05:26:06 pm
Umpires for #Phillies (39-42) at #Cubs (42-42):
Joe West, Bruce Dreckman, Nic Lentz, Edwin Moscoso
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 07:29:00 pm
Cubs with bases loaded one out bottom first — Wisdom strikes out.  Then Pederson comes up to bat and strikes out too.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on July 05, 2021, 07:46:58 pm
Marisnick with a homer to CF in the second.  Knapp with a homer to right in the third.  Tied 1 - 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 05, 2021, 07:55:33 pm
Jason Heyward sits again.  When the end to his career finally arrives, I hope it is an honorable one.


Guessing that Heyward sitting against a lefty tonight is much related to the eventual end of his career.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 08:11:14 pm
Baez with an RBI double, then Wisdom strikes out looking again and Pederson fouls out but Cubs up 2 - 1 top 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 08:19:51 pm
Gregorius (doesn’t that name remind you of Bride of Frankenstein?) goes deep to tie the game heading into bottom 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 08:24:06 pm
Third base coach sent Hoerner or he went on his own?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 08:46:28 pm
Rizzo strikes out.  Baez up.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 08:52:33 pm
Baez grounds out to third Cubs go down 1-2-3 heading into 6 tied 2 - 2.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 05, 2021, 09:02:12 pm
Harper walks and scores on a double, and we are once again on the wrong end of a 3-2 score.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 09:03:20 pm
Hot Dog Harper scores on a double by McCutchin -  Ross thrown out for arguing balls and strikes -  3 - 2 Phillies.  Bryce Harper is a cancer to the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Jack Birdbath on July 05, 2021, 09:32:14 pm
Bryce Harper is a cancer to the game.

Why?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 05, 2021, 09:45:52 pm
That’s ridiculous about Harper.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 05, 2021, 09:47:39 pm
Because I don’t like him, simple as that.  Don’t like his stance at the plate, don’t like his hair, don’t like his stupid head band, don’t like the way he slows the game down, don’t like the way he comes across.  Of course he’s friends with Rizzo. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 05, 2021, 09:51:41 pm
Adam Morgan had a 6.43 career ERA against the Cubs in 21 innings.

Doesn’t seem like he’s a keeper.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 05, 2021, 10:05:22 pm
Baez has 6 walks in his last 8 games.  That can't have happened too often.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 05, 2021, 10:07:01 pm
Seems like Sogard wants to pitch in this game, as his error leads to a blowout score.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 05, 2021, 10:09:10 pm
Eric Sogard is one of my all time least favorite Cubs. Bad at baseball, and also an anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 05, 2021, 10:11:03 pm
Eric Sogard is one of my all time least favorite Cubs. Bad at baseball, and also an anti-vaxxer.

EDIT: He's an anti-vaxxer first, and also bad at baseball. Anti-vaxxer is so much worse than being bad at baseball.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on July 05, 2021, 10:13:22 pm
I couldn’t care less about his vaccination opinions…I don’t get him pinch hitting for Wisdom there.

You’re replacing a guy who can put runs on the board with one swing in a tight game with a guy who can’t hit, and downgrading the defense in a tight game on top of that…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on July 05, 2021, 10:14:44 pm
Baez is so much better when he goes the other way…
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 05, 2021, 10:23:14 pm
Sogard is getting more work than Maples ever did.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 05, 2021, 10:25:39 pm
Chirinos, wearing number 29, makes his Cubs debut a full two decades after we signed him as a 17-year-old.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 05, 2021, 10:26:33 pm
Baez is so much better when he goes the other way…

Javy is showing some signs of breaking out.  Would be good timing considering the calendar.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 05, 2021, 10:35:02 pm
I couldn’t care less about his vaccination opinions…I don’t get him pinch hitting for Wisdom there.

You’re replacing a guy who can put runs on the board with one swing in a tight game with a guy who can’t hit, and downgrading the defense in a tight game on top of that…

Would like to hear Ross’ explanation. Seems like it would only be a good move in a 2-run game if the AB was leading off the 9th and any kind of reach is as good as a homer to get tying run to plate.

Maybe Wisdom became ill during the game. Other than that, I don’t get it either.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 05, 2021, 10:40:10 pm
I really regret wasting my money on MLB.TV so I could watch the Cubs this year.   
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: method on July 06, 2021, 10:32:33 am
Whoever signs biaz this offseason should place a clause in his contract that he gets X bonus for every hit the oppo way or if his ratio for pull to oppo is Y.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on July 06, 2021, 12:36:39 pm
Would like to hear Ross’ explanation. Seems like it would only be a good move in a 2-run game if the AB was leading off the 9th and any kind of reach is as good as a homer to get tying run to plate.

Maybe Wisdom became ill during the game. Other than that, I don’t get it either.
Conventional wisdom would be that pitchers have found the holes in Wisdom's swing, but the only thing I've noticed that he is letting some good pitches do down the pipe while he swings at the high pitch.  Personally, I felt he was in a real hot streak and was benched so often he lost the edge.  Hard to keep everyone sharp.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on July 06, 2021, 12:37:56 pm
I really regret wasting my money on MLB.TV so I could watch the Cubs this year.   
  My wife no longer wishes to watch.  Before she asked with great enthusiasm for each game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on July 06, 2021, 12:42:00 pm
It is kinda hard to watch this year.

I follow the Cubs stronger than 99% of the fans in the world Im certain but I havent been watching the games.

Of course I also have a 7 year old son and a full time job.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: BearHit on July 06, 2021, 12:46:50 pm
They are pacing themselves for the big finish
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 06, 2021, 03:43:08 pm
Joe West will be behind the plate

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 06, 2021, 07:16:02 pm
Arrieta loads the bases and then gives up a slam to start the game.

I often say, if a pitcher doesn't know when to retire, the hitters will tell him.  Jake, pay attention.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on July 06, 2021, 07:17:37 pm
However, Arietta then retired one in a row.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on July 06, 2021, 07:20:08 pm
Two in a row.  Do they have mulligans in baseball?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 06, 2021, 07:27:14 pm
Arrieta loads the bases and then gives up a slam to start the game.

I often say, if a pitcher doesn't know when to retire, the hitters will tell him.  Jake, pay attention.

But on the flipside, he is an anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dihard on July 06, 2021, 08:11:26 pm
Aaaaand we’re down a touchdown again. In the 3rd.

How did the wheels fall off so fast and so completely?


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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 06, 2021, 08:11:55 pm
Sell sell sell to anybody who will buy.  And the players you can’t sell off you don’t offer contracts to.  Ross has to take the blame for this skid because that’s his job.  The manager is responsible for wins losses.  So you maybe get rid of Ross too.  You get rid of Rizzo for sure, he is the first one to go.  He is sickening with his fake attitude and no hitting ways.  And he’s chums with that **** Harper.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 06, 2021, 08:40:45 pm
Remember the Mendoza line?  .200 was so embarrassing for a hitter he hid in the dugout.  Now If you hit .220 you are a stud.  If you hit over .250 you are some kind of marvel.  Yeah, I’m thinking Ross has got to go. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on July 06, 2021, 08:45:39 pm
If they don't get everything they can for everyone they can the whole front office needs to go.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 06, 2021, 09:11:36 pm
If they don't get everything they can for everyone they can the whole front office needs to go.

The issue is that a lot of these guys probably have minimal trade value now, especially in an era where prospects are overvalued.  Kimbrel is the biggest lure, because not only is he the best closer in baseball right now but he can be retained for next season (wouldn't appeal to Oakland, but maybe HOU, ATL or BOS).  Chafin should get you one decent B prospect.  But Bryant, Rizzo, Baez?  All rentals, and apart from Bryant all having mediocre seasons.  I'm not convinced any of them would bring back much.

Ross is sort of the elephant in the room.  He looks like he's in over his head, but with the team unlikely to contend for 2-3 seasons minimum that's probably not an urgent matter.  The question is whether Ross is a guy you want in charge when you're trying to break in a group of young players (though we don't have many of those either, not that would be ready next season anyway).
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 06, 2021, 09:25:56 pm
OTOH, as I noted yesterday Baez is looking far better at the plate and may be on the verge of a major hot stretch.  And even as is, he's a Gold Glove SS with 20 HRs before the break.  Someone will take a flyer on him for at least a fringe prospect.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 06, 2021, 09:57:13 pm
Have to be very concerned that, with Sogard on the IL, Cubs may have to go with an untested pitcher in 9th inning tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 06, 2021, 10:54:24 pm
A tiny bright spot in this very ugly game: Robinson Chirinos has just hit his first homer as a Cub.  Score has narrowed to 15-10.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 06, 2021, 11:03:07 pm
A tiny bright spot in this very ugly game: Robinson Chirinos has just hit his first homer as a Cub.  Score has narrowed to 15-10.

I think Baez' 2 HRs are a considerable bright spot, given how good he's looked this last week and what it could do for his trade value.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on July 06, 2021, 11:08:37 pm
The issue is that a lot of these guys probably have minimal trade value now, especially in an era where prospects are overvalued.  Kimbrel is the biggest lure, because not only is he the best closer in baseball right now but he can be retained for next season (wouldn't appeal to Oakland, but maybe HOU, ATL or BOS).  Chafin should get you one decent B prospect.  But Bryant, Rizzo, Baez?  All rentals, and apart from Bryant all having mediocre seasons.  I'm not convinced any of them would bring back much.

Ross is sort of the elephant in the room.  He looks like he's in over his head, but with the team unlikely to contend for 2-3 seasons minimum that's probably not an urgent matter.  The question is whether Ross is a guy you want in charge when you're trying to break in a group of young players (though we don't have many of those either, not that would be ready next season anyway).

If we could sign 2 of our 3 FA's, we might be able to trade people like Happ, Wisdom, Davies, and a couple of relievers.  Definitely Kimbrel.  They might bring back more than the 3 FA.  They're still young enough to be more than a temporary band aid.   Wisdom needs to go before the whole league realizes he's turning back into a pumpkin. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 06, 2021, 11:39:36 pm
If we could sign 2 of our 3 FA's, we might be able to trade people like Happ, Wisdom, Davies, and a couple of relievers.  Definitely Kimbrel.  They might bring back more than the 3 FA.  They're still young enough to be more than a temporary band aid.   Wisdom needs to go before the whole league realizes he's turning back into a pumpkin. 

I don't know that I would want to sign 2 of those 3 FAs.  Why?  We aren't going to be competitive in 2022-23 whether we do or not.  How much are these guys going to be giving you after that?  I'm even worried about Contreras being on the decline when our next window opens up - he's already showing signs of overuse.  I'd try and sign Baez if you don't get a good offer, trade Bryant for whatever you get, and let Rizzo walk. 

Wisdom surely has almost no trade value based on a few likely deceptive weeks.  Davies is a back-end starter no matter how you slice it.  Happ is terrible, and beyond Kimbrel and Chafin what relievers do we have who'll bring anything decent back?  If you want to inject serious talent into the system not only do you have to deal Chafin, Kimbrel, and Bryant, you have to consider Contreras and Hendricks too.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on July 07, 2021, 09:09:18 am
Quote
you have to consider Contreras and Hendricks too.

Consider?  Deal everyone you can for something.  Blow it all up.  2016 is long gone.  It's way past time to start over.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Playtwo on July 07, 2021, 09:40:37 am
To the decision makers, winning a championship isn't everything. Baseball is an entertainment business and there is an incentive to keep the team competitive whether or not that moves you closer to winning a WS.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 07, 2021, 01:32:53 pm
Consider?  Deal everyone you can for something.  Blow it all up.  2016 is long gone.  It's way past time to start over.

Absolutely!  Start with the front office immediately and then get rid of the coaches for sure.  Bring in a whole new crew and do it soon.  As an owner you have to pay these salaries anyway, pay somebody else.  Have a new front office team in place by the trade deadline.  We have to act right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 07, 2021, 03:24:48 pm
54% chance of light showers

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 07, 2021, 06:47:42 pm
Baez scratched with a right thumb sprain

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 07, 2021, 06:51:45 pm
Will this system stay together as it nears Wrigley?

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 07, 2021, 07:30:38 pm
A string of two-out hits gives the Cubs a 3-0 lead in the first inning.  The inning almost ended on a line drive double play to second from Contreras, but the call was reversed as Bryant's dive back to second was in time, and Gregorius stepped on his finger and not the bag.  Hopefully that's not an injury.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 07, 2021, 07:56:08 pm
Rain delay in the bottom of the second with the Cubs still leading by three.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: DUSTY on July 07, 2021, 08:08:09 pm
5-0
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 07, 2021, 08:38:44 pm
Wheeler throws a pitch up and in to Wisdom, and it hits the knob of his bat and goes in the books as a strike.  On the next pitch he flies to center.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Robb on July 07, 2021, 09:39:18 pm
The Cubs are in serious danger of ending this losing streak. The fatalist fan in me kind of hopes they don't. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 07, 2021, 09:39:40 pm
Chafin in to pitch with the Cubs leading 8-3.  Joc makes a great running catch on a fly ball from Torreyes (number 74 pinch hitting for number 75; perhaps a first in history).  And Chafin gets Segura on a sinking pitch for strike three to end the inning.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on July 07, 2021, 09:53:26 pm
Was Bryant injured?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 07, 2021, 09:55:08 pm
Hamstring tweak
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 07, 2021, 09:57:31 pm
“Right hamstring tightness”
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Ron on July 07, 2021, 09:59:07 pm
Oh, goodie. Hamstring injuries never last long.

Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JR on July 07, 2021, 10:12:05 pm
Well the losing streak is over!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 07, 2021, 10:12:11 pm
Cubs finally win another game.  Back to within 1 game of .500!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 07, 2021, 11:03:50 pm
https://youtu.be/ggak3VlFOrc
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 07, 2021, 11:04:27 pm
David Ross:

Kris Bryant is day to day after leaving tonight's game with right hamstring tightness.

Bryant felt better after getting work done with trainers, Ross added
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 08, 2021, 03:53:05 pm
No Bryant, Baez, or Contreras

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 08, 2021, 04:12:07 pm
Hey, you can’t hit Tony Wolters at #5!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: ticohans on July 08, 2021, 04:37:16 pm
That is an ugly, ugly lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: CurtOne on July 08, 2021, 04:39:50 pm
For whatever reason Alzolay seems to get weak lineup support.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Deeg on July 08, 2021, 04:41:16 pm
For whatever reason Alzolay seems to get weak lineup support.

I think it's the team he plays for, if I were to guess.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 08, 2021, 04:41:39 pm
You can’t put out your Big Red Machine-like lineup out there every game.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 08, 2021, 06:37:38 pm
Looking ahead to Saturday

MLB ON FOX: JULY 10, 2021  6:15 CDT

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NY Yankees @ Houston

St. Louis @ Chi Cubs
 
Cincinnati @ Milwaukee


Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 08, 2021, 08:19:25 pm
Rizzo strikes out on three pitches, what’s his BA?  Used to be that anything below .250 was embarrassing, now it’s a okay since most of your teammates are batting below .200.  The Mendoza line has lost its meaning/
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 08, 2021, 08:45:18 pm
Adbert’s hair is disconcerting, like he forgot to cut the back part of it off.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 08, 2021, 08:58:10 pm
Ian clutch Happ grounds into a double play and Pederson pops out.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 08, 2021, 09:12:49 pm
From Yahoo's game summary:

Running -
SB - J Realmuto (5, 4th base off A Alzolay/R Chirinos), D Gregorius (2, 2nd base off A Alzolay/R Chirinos)


So the kids are calling home plate "4th base" now?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on July 08, 2021, 09:28:35 pm
Maybe we need a new scouting report for Brad Miller?

Or maybe pitchers that can locate better?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 08, 2021, 09:37:33 pm
Abbott with 56 pitches.

That should be enough to get him back to Iowa.

Welcome Kyle Ryan for the weekend.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on July 09, 2021, 08:16:24 am
White flag lineup....
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 09, 2021, 10:58:38 am
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 09, 2021, 11:10:30 am
Umpires for #STLCards (43-45) at #Cubs (43-45):
Tim Timmons, Alfonso Marquez, Lance Barrett, Adam Beck
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Dave23 on July 09, 2021, 04:49:43 pm
Dan McLaughlin, just now…

“And here’s Matt Carpenter coming to the plate…he hit a grand slam here last year…with the sacks full…”

You don’t say?!
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 09, 2021, 05:17:34 pm
It's probably time to stop going back to Kyle Ryan when there's an opening on the team. He's been bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 09, 2021, 05:19:54 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 09, 2021, 06:18:17 pm
https://youtu.be/Gdqwfw83DlU
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 10, 2021, 03:33:38 pm
Fox announcers for today’s game are Adam Amin and Eric Karros

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 10, 2021, 03:34:48 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 06:41:57 pm
Baez up runners on first and second one out and no he doesn’t strike out he hits into a double play to end the inning instead. 1 - 0 Cardinals
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 06:56:50 pm
Ian Happ follows suit and grounds into another inning ending double play. 1 - 0 Cardinals, it doesn’t matter what inning it is,
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 10, 2021, 07:09:41 pm
The Matt Carpenter interview was quite interesting.  He sounds like a good guy.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 07:36:54 pm
88 pitches thru 4 for Davies, still 1- 0 Cardinals.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 07:53:00 pm
Ian Happ strikes out to end the inning leaving a runner on second.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 10, 2021, 08:05:30 pm
Umpire misses strike three to Edman so Morgan throws a similar pitch slightly higher, and Edman puts it in the bleachers to give the Cardinals a 4-0 lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 08:18:58 pm
Cubs continue their stellar play giving up another 2 run homer and now It’s 6 - 0 Cardinals.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 08:45:36 pm
Wisdom dribbles one to the pitcher to end the 6.  6 - 0 Cardinals.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 08:54:03 pm
Seventh inning stretch coming up, but first Cubs have to hold if possible the Cardinals to six runs.  Baez clowning around with Molina who happened upon second base. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 10, 2021, 09:29:35 pm
Rizzo, batting .247 grounds out to end the 8.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 11, 2021, 10:54:40 am
60% chance of a few showers
Wind in from center at 18 mph

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 11, 2021, 12:06:32 pm
Today’s game between the #Cubs and Cardinals at Wrigley Field has been postponed due to inclement weather.

The makeup game is scheduled for Friday, September 24 as the second game of a split doubleheader. Time is TBD.

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 12, 2021, 08:28:32 pm
The Home Run Derby is the bane of baseball.  There should be a hit and run derby, a sacrifice bunt derby, a stolen base derby, a sacrifice fly derby.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 12, 2021, 08:51:14 pm
The only thing better than a sacrifice fly derby would be a HBP derby facing baseball’s hardest throwers.

Winner gets a big prize.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 12, 2021, 09:07:24 pm
This just popped up on my Twitter timeline...Bunt derby:

https://twitter.com/roywoodjr/status/1414738310119972867
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: wmljohn on July 13, 2021, 09:58:00 am
Bunting those lobs look too easy.  They should have real pitchers throwing real pitches.  Use minor leaguers or college invitees at least.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 13, 2021, 01:22:44 pm
I can’t remember the last time a hit and run was called.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 13, 2021, 05:42:46 pm
Does All Star Game winner still get home field advantage in World Series?
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: JeffH on July 13, 2021, 07:50:47 pm
For the love of all that is holy, please make the All-Star Game uniforms go away.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Tuffy on July 13, 2021, 08:54:20 pm
I just want our league to win another All-Star Game again some day.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 16, 2021, 05:26:30 pm
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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 16, 2021, 08:52:15 pm
Rizzo hits into an inning ending double play.  Nobody wants him. 
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 16, 2021, 09:50:42 pm
Rizzo's 4th inning homer was his 239th as a Cub, and ties him with Aramis Ramirez for 6th on the Cubs all time list.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: brjones on July 16, 2021, 09:55:30 pm
Hendricks struggling to throw strikes to the worst team in baseball.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Reb on July 16, 2021, 10:37:30 pm
Hendricks only one run allowed and guts out 6 innings and 101 pitches on less than his best stuff tonight.

Deserves credit. A pro.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 17, 2021, 12:37:27 am
https://youtu.be/gDraF7H_Im8
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: Bennett on July 17, 2021, 12:38:02 pm
Note the earlier than originally scheduled game time

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Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 17, 2021, 12:57:44 pm
Thanks for that, Bennett.  BTW, your last post on this thread was #162.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 17, 2021, 12:58:59 pm
Well, page 162 anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: dogstoothe on July 17, 2021, 03:58:13 pm
Gallen wears glasses when he pitches but doesn’t when he’s hitting.  So he doesn’t need ‘em except maybe in a race horse kinda way.  My guess is the glasses throw the hitter off just a bit, can’t help but look at ‘em when you’re at bat.
Title: Re: Today's Game - 2021
Post by: davep on July 17, 2021, 06:16:51 pm
If anyone cares, Cubs scored 3 runs in the ninth to go ahead 4 - 2
Title: Re: Today's Ga