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General Category => Chicago Bears Forum => Topic started by: Dave23 on March 13, 2023, 11:20:06 am
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Bears kick off free agency by signing Eagles LB TJ Edwards to a 3 year deal…
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Bears signed ILB T.J. Edwards to a three-year contract.
Edwards becomes one of the first players off the board in the 2023 free-agency cycle, as the former Eagle is now heading to Chicago. Edwards has emerged as one of the premiere inside linebackers in the league over the last two seasons, totaling 289 tackles, 15 TFLs, and three sacks since 2021. Edwards should immediately fill the inside linebacker spot previously occupied by Roquan Smith after the Bears traded Smith to the Ravens last season.
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We get him for 3 years for about what Roquan got for 1yr. I’ll take that!
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4.5 at signing, and 8 first year…by my math, that’s 3.5 for years 2 and 3…
That’s a steal.
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So basically it is 2 for $16M and we’ll likely extend him in yr 3 if all goes well.
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Bears sign former Titans G Nate Davis to a three year deal.
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Signing Tremain Edmonds too.
Good LB corps.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Bears are giving former Bills’ LB Tremaine Edmunds a 4-yr, $72M that includes $50M guaranteed, per source. It is the largest 4-year contract for an inside linebacker in the NFL.
3:01 PM · Mar 13, 2023
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Nate Davis gets 3/30, 19.25 guaranteed
Good day!
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Post June 1 cut of Whitehair saves approx $9.9
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So Edmonds and Edwards combined $24m a year compared to Roquan $20 m and they have the second round pick.
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Love the linebacker signings but we need an RT and some DL.
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I think the Bears just want to confuse announcers. The play was made my Edmunds... no wait Edwards. There also seems to be an affinity toward contracted first names this offseason (DJ Moore, TJ Edwards). Kind of harkens back to when the Bears had multiple Whites, Browns and a Green on the same team.....
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Bears have signed DE Demarcus Walker. 7 sacks last year with the Titans.
Not a game buster but better than anything they had.
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See how easy it was to make this forum.
Correct me if I'm wrong which seems likely but didn't we trade from #20 to #11 to get Fields and in the process give up 2 number ones ?
That being said we are at #9 ... could we trade out and pick up yet another first rounder?
Could get interesting.
If we keep playing our cards right with the cap space ... we may not need a draft.
REMEMBER : There's about a half dozen punters we need to sign to continue the Halas Hall tradition of NOW what da fuuck ?
Or could that be ending ....................... ?
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Edwards comes to Chicago with the expectation that he’ll serve as the MIKE linebacker in Matt Eberflus’ defense. Edwards is also reunited with former Wisconsin teammate Jack Sanborn, who was a rookie standout for the Bears last season.
Sanborn and Edwards have a lot in common. Both played at Wisconsin (including for one year together in 2018). Both were undrafted free agents. Both are homegrown products who grew up Bears fans. Now, they’ll anchor Chicago’s linebacker corps.
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I’m liking the signings so far. Just one really big contract to Edmunds. None of them grossly overpaid. Wonder if they plan to move Whitehair to C and let Davis play LG? Would love to see a RT and more DL.
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Poles to the rest of the NFL…
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Do the Bears now have 3 middle linebackers? I guess we know what the team really thinks of Sanborn. It looks like he's the SLB that gets taken out on nickel formations.
The Walker signing reminds me of the Muhammad signing last year. Both had mediocre careers then one decent year before signing with the Bears (Walker 7 sacks last year and Muhammad had 6.5). I guess beggars can't be choosers - he's the best DE on the roster.
We'll see who gets signed next - but the draft looks like d-line city.
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Do the Bears now have 3 middle linebackers? I guess we know what the team really thinks of Sanborn. It looks like he's the SLB that gets taken out on nickel formations.
Exact same thing I thought. Before the injury seemed as if he (Sanborn) was playing pretty well.
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https://youtu.be/29-Dl5kBbus
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See how easy it was to make this forum.
Correct me if I'm wrong which seems likely but didn't we trade from #20 to #11 to get Fields and in the process give up 2 number ones ?
That being said we are at #9 ... could we trade out and pick up yet another first rounder?
Could get interesting.
If we keep playing our cards right with the cap space ... we may not need a draft.
REMEMBER : There's about a half dozen punters we need to sign to continue the Halas Hall tradition of NOW what da fuuck ?
Or could that be ending ....................... ?
Stop your whining like a 2 year old when he doesnt get his favorite pablum.
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https://youtu.be/SaU23g3Jhq0
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I certainly wont give the Bears 4 gold stars for this Day 1 exhibition. The DLine was the big need and we didnt get any help there. And I dont think at #9 we are going to get a savior on the line there.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-free-agency-day-1-tampering-period-winners-49ers-patrick-mahomes-and-losers-bengals-broncos-012046467.html
It does look like we got a Whitehair replacement at OG.
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McGary is still out there right? Had a better season than McGlinchey but McGlinchey has had the better career.
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https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2023/3/13/23637517/falcons-making-good-faith-efforts-to-re-sign-rt-kaleb-mcgary-free-agency-terry-fontenot
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Looks like we sign another OG:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-sign-nate-davis-experts-151057533.html
This doesnt sound so good
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David Montgomery to the Lions…hope he breaks his leg…
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Ouch. now another hole
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I didn't want to lose Montgomery, but I knew it was a possibility. I hate that he went to someone in our division.
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We see every year that players go down to injury. It is the charmed year, here and there, when injuries are lighter than others. For that reason, I am not losing sleep over Sanborn getting less snaps. If he ends up being a core special teamer, and play 30% of the defensive snaps, that is still a great return. It is just a longer journey for the undrafted FA. I'm glad we have him nd he could still be a core starter in the not too distant future.
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Lets face it Jack Sanborn was a good but not great super star player. He has instincts, but lacks speed. If he had speed he would have been a draft pick. If he had elite speed he would have been a first round draft pick. I'm glad we got him, and will be happy for him to be our 3rd LB.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/3/14/23636589/bears-free-agent-signing-contact-salary-cap-agency-ryan-poles-roster-matt-eberflus-justin-fields-2?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=031523%20Sports&utm_content=031523%20Sports+CID_f7873c9ae0e730860703808466183adc&utm_source=cst%20campaign%20monitor&utm_term=Bears%20look%20to%20Khalil%20Herbert%20as%20they%20move%20on%20without%20David%20Montgomery&tpcc=031523%20Sports
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Ya gotta remember Singletary wasn't exactly speedy either. He was simply mean at the point of contact. Paired with a couple rangy guys Sanborn can be a good fit here....
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The Patriots are reportedly closing in on an experienced addition to their offensive line.
Dianna Russini of ESPN reports that they are expected to sign tackle Riley Reiff as a free agent. Teams can officially sign free agents from other teams starting at 4 p.m. ET on Wednesday.
Reiff spent 2022 with the Bears and made 10 starts for the NFC North club. He was a 2012 first-round pick of the Lions and spent five years in Detroit before moving on for four years with the Vikings. He spent the 2021 season in Cincinnati before making the move to Chicago.
The Patriots have agreed to a deal with Calvin Anderson and re-signed Conor McDermott to go with Trent Brown and restricted free agent Yodny Cajuste, so the Patriots will have a number of tackle options if Reiff’s deal becomes official.
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Khalil Herbert is now RB1. I'm ok with that. Loved Monty but it is what it is.
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And Travis Homer is better at pass pro and receiving than Herbert so he'll probably be in there on 3rd down and ST. They'll draft someone in the later rounds to pressure Ebner to shape up or ship out.
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They'll need to pickup another back though..
I agree that the great players have instincts for the ball and speed. But I'll take guys with the instinct for the ball over speed.. We should be set at linebacker. After it's all said and done, we may not be set on the d-line. Can't fix it all in one year. Improve the d-line, and fix the o-line and we should see drastic improvements with the addition at WR. We do need to replace the empty spot left by Montgomery, as others have said, I would be ok with the RB with the cool first name..
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They'll need to pickup another back though..
I would be ok with the RB with the cool first name..
Bijan? Jahmyr? Tyjae? Roschon?
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Yeah, any of those works…
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If the Jets are really bringing in Lazard and Cobb, I wonder if they would let Elijah Moore go cheap?
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Bijan? Jahmyr? Tyjae? Roschon?
LOL! Bijan
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hmmmm. rumors are Bears are bidding for Darius Slay.
He’s 32 so a temporary fix.
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If you can't fix the line right away, a solid backfield can make a big difference..
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Slay's cap hit is not worth the production he brings, he really declined this past year. why help out another NFC team by taking that contract off their hands.
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Moore is in town at the Bulls game with Fields Claypool and Mooney.
Time to get some passing together and build chemistry.
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Orlando Brown signed with the Bengals.
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For only 64 over 4. What a wasted chance by the bears going to try and get slay at his ridiculous contract but not pay brown?
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The rumor of the Bears chasing Slay are put out by agents to the various “insiders”
It doesn’t mean they’re always true.
Brown probably wanted to go to a contender, or Poles knowing him wasn’t so interested.
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I guess they like PJ Walker over Trevor Simien- they just signed Walker from Carolina. Or they have a fascination with players that use 2 letter first names....
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I thought I heard that the Eagles will June 1st release Slay. So the only bidding will be for his new contract if that's the case.
Is he in the 1 year category yet?
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He agreed to restructure his deal and will be staying with the Eagles.
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Poles presser when asked about Orlando Brown said he doesn’t discuss specifics but scheme matters.
He also hinted Whitehair as a center option.
Bears sign run stuffer DT Andrew Billings 1 years up to 3.5.
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What's the upside on new Chicago Bear DT Andrew Billings ?
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Bears sign TE Robert Tonyan to a one-year contract.
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What's the upside on new Chicago Bear DT Andrew Billings ?
He started quite a few games last year with the Raiders, but doesn't have a lot of stats (sacks, stuffs, QB hits etc).
He's a run stuffing JAG. He's starting right now.
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Bears sign TE Robert Tonyan to a one-year contract.
He's a better receiver than what we had last year backing up Kmet. I know he can catch - probably not a blocker. He had a monster 2020 with 11 TDs.
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He started quite a few games last year with the Raiders, but doesn't have a lot of stats (sacks, stuffs, QB hits etc).
He's a run stuffing JAG. He's starting right now.
Just found out he is rated #16 for interior linemen, not sure what that means but the 3 linemen we have are all rated over 111 and that's bad.
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Bears have signed D’Onta Foreman…1 year 3M…
Just the kind of back we needed…a big bruiser…
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The report on Billings is good size and strength often double teamed.
PFF 15th best interior lineman.
Already better than anyone last year.
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I like the Tonyan signing. The competition between him and Kmet should make both better.
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Less an offensive lineman, the Bears are building a pretty nice offense around Fields. I like Tonyan, and what's not to like about Moore? Pick up an offensive tackle early and another running back, and I am good with what we have.
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Doug Farrar ✍
@NFL_DougFarrar
Comparing D'Onta Foreman and Nick Chubb, Weeks 7-18.
Foreman: 191 carries for 876 yards, five touchdowns, 32 missed tackles forced, 12 carries of 15 or more yards.
Chubb: 192 carries for 876 yards, five touchdowns, 41 missed tackles forced, 12 carries of 15 or more yards.
5:39 AM · Mar 10, 2023
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Cheaper, better version of Montgomery on a prove it deal it appears....
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Before we get too excited about Foreman. Yes, he's big and fast. I watched many of his games at Texas and he ran through and by defenders.
If you total up all his pass receptions in college and the pros they would about equal the number of catches Montgomery had last season.
I don't remember if he had bad hands but teams rarely threw the ball to him.
I don't doubt the Bears may still draft a running back around the 3rd but the signing of Foreman probably means Bijan Robinson (another Texas kid) is not an option in R1.
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I would like to see Blasingame get some looks in the passing game. He could be a poor man's Juszczyk in this offense if given a chance IMO.
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This is an off tackle not a 3 technique but appears an improvement of sorts
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-sign-andrew-billings-nfl-free-agency-breakdown/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=0
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/17/bears-justin-fields-prime-destination-nfl-free-agency-demarcus-walker-tremaine-edmunds/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=1
It shows everybody believes in Felds except in people who are enemies of the Bears and want them to be bad
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You can smell the fear on the Bears' rivals....
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/where-do-bears-and-ryan-poles-go-from-here/ar-AA18NpZo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=11a7917525874b4d8cf57a341079d082&ei=20
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Assuming there is staying at #9 :
RB
OL
DL
DE
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They won't take a RB in round 1.
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They won't take a RB in round 1.
If Carter or Wilson are taken he's the BPA. But logically the Bears should not go HB given their other needs and that they have 2 very solid HBs already.
So you're probably right...
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His comp is Adrian Peterson…and I don’t mean the former Bear…
Do you pass on that if he’s BPA?
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A double trade down (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/20/fmia-nfl-free-agency-bears-panthers/) with Houston and Carolina was discussed. Once Moore became part of the package, Poles couldn't wait any longer and pulled the trigger.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-bears-spring-storylines-ryan-110000312.html
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Poles must've wet his pants and made the trade I guess. I'd probably preferred the double trade down. DJ Moore better be the man they need him to be or Poles wizzed a generational chance to possibly get at least 2 first rounders next year when the draft is thought to be better.....
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Meanwhile back at the ranch we have the 2023 CHICAGO BEARS before the draft at this point in time.
If you're a BEARRSSE fan ... you never saw anything like this in your motherfuuking life.
Shiit happens.
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Poles must've wet his pants and made the trade I guess. I'd probably preferred the double trade down. DJ Moore better be the man they need him to be or Poles wizzed a generational chance to possibly get at least 2 first rounders next year when the draft is thought to be better.....
Explain the double trade down that the Bears passed on. The only double trade down I thought possible would be to Houston and then to the Colts. That would have given them a few picks outside of R1 but would have given them the lesser of Anderson/Carter.
But I think Houston was OK with the #2 spot taking either Young or Stroud.
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That was a trade that was hard to pass on when Moore was added to the mix. There's really not much like him in the draft and that's a strong need slot so they made the right choice....
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Yeah the double trade with Colts was what the report (take with grain of salt). It does seem he could've waited awhile before pulling the trigger. But we'll see where this goes. It feels like he flinched (although not as bad as Pace did trading up for Trubiski).
But at least they should have 2 firsts next year. That's a lot of flexibility.....
There is a PFT article about possible double trade with Houston and the Panthers.....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/20/bears-mulled-trading-down-with-texans-from-1-to-2-then-trading-down-again-with-panthers/#comments
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Nothing beats the trade up for Trubinsky. That was a epic screwup.....
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Nothing beats the trade up for Trubinsky. That was a epic screwup.....
The trade up itself was not really a screw-up. The Bears only gave up a 3rd and a 4th and 3rd the following year to move up 1 spot to #2 to get a shot at who they thought was a franchise QB. The guy they picked turned out to be the epic screw up.
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Article from Breer (https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/20/ryan-poles-never-told-justin-fields-he-was-the-starting-qb) basically says that Houston were understandably dragging their feet because they wanted to do a full evaluation of the QBs. IMO, if Carolina still held firm with Moore, Chicago would still have the 1st pick for sale. And there's no way Vegas would have given up (https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1636881489039163395) a '23 1st , '23 2nd, two future 1st on top of that, and a future 2nd.
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Nicholas Morrow signs with the Eagles. Matthew Adams signs with the Browns.
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Read that Poles requested any 1 of 3 players from the Panthers in return for the number 1 pick.
Brian Burns for sure. CB Jaycee Horn?
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Read that Poles requested any 1 of 3 players from the Panthers in return for the number 1 pick.
Brian Burns for sure. CB Jaycee Horn?
Derrick Brown.
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For those of you who have Instagram…check out Ed Oliver’s latest Instagram story…
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What is it, Dave?
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Ed Oliver of the Bills is in 5th year of his rookie deal. Wants to be paid now.
Article suggests that Bills might put him on the market. He's a 3 technique with pretty good success but not monster sack numbers.
3 technique's are not that plentiful in this draft. Lots of NT types and undersized DT tweeners.
Assuming he's on the block - what would the Bears offer? He's 25+. Maybe a watered down 3rd rounder? Or a 4th?
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When looking for 3Ts in the draft, expand your search to the DE ranks.
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I think an early day 3 pick might get Oliver. No idea what he’s looking for long term, though…
Kiper thinks the Northwestern guy (Adebawore) might be a great 3T…
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Re: Oliver’s Instagram, his most recent story was 3 videos…him sacking Goff, him sacking Rodgers, and him sacking Cousins.
Assumptions were that it was an audition video for the fourth team in the North…
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Non-1st round guys with 3T potential (half-assed amateur scout warning!):
Keion White, Georgia Tech
Gervon Dexter, Florida
Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin
Colby Wooden, Auburn
Zacch Pickens, South Carolina
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Re: Oliver’s Instagram, his most recent story was 3 videos…him sacking Goff, him sacking Rodgers, and him sacking Cousins.
Assumptions were that it was an audition video for the fourth team in the North…
Ha! That's awesome!
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He's going to cost 100 million and a 2nd rounder....
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The draft ... the trenches both sides of the line.
EXCEPT : If the motor city goes Jalen Carter then all predictions are off.
What we would need is a RB with speed to get past that fatbody.
In the first round ... any ideas?
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He's going to cost 100 million and a 2nd rounder....
I know sacks can be over-rated but he had 2.5 sacks in 2022. PFF ranking 43/127.
He's not a 100 million dollar man. Daron Payne didn't get $ 100M.
Bears might give them the best 3rd rounder in the NFL for him - looks like the best draftable DTs are nose tackles, undersized, or projects.
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Apparently Oliver replaced his Goff sack in his insta story with a Fields sack...
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Good grief.
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The Bears are adding a linebacker who should also be a heavy special teams contributor.
Chicago has reached an agreement on a one-year deal with Dylan Cole, the team announced on Thursday.
Cole spent the last two seasons with the Titans. In 2022, he appeared in 15 games with eight starts, recording 64 total tackles with four tackles for loss and a sack.
But while Cole played 37.5 percent of defensive snaps, he was on the field for 65.9 percent of the club’s special teams snaps.
Having entered the league as an undrafted free agent in 2017, Cole was also a heavy special teams contributor in his first four seasons with the Texans.
In 61 career games with nine starts, Cole has recorded 147 total tackles, 10 tackles for loss, 2.0 sacks, and two interceptions.
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Why haven't the Bears signed Yannick Ngakoue? Is it because Poles now doesn't trust Eberflus's recommendations at DE with the year that Muhammed had last season?
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looks like the best draftable DTs are nose tackles, undersized, or projects.
See thats my problem passing on Carter @ 9 if he is there.
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I would be hard pressed to pass up on the two elite LT's at 9. can move Jones to RT and that will drastically improve the O-line. Can add a center or guard in 2nd or 3rd round and its a finished product.
The DL class is deep this year, and we have 2 1st's for next year. can move around and target DL next year.
Ideal scenario is someone falls in love with Levis, he falls to 9 and they offer a ransom for that pick, i'd trade down in that case and still target o-line in the 1st. Cowboys and a few other teams have shown that drafting Oline in low 1st high 2nd is a great play.
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Sounds like you are in love with the Cowgirls. If the Bears dont fix the Defensive line it wont make any difference how many OTs they draft.
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This isn’t about 2023 it’s about 2024… if you think we are “competing this year” you are as senile as you seem.
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We'll see how the draft goes, but I certainly think the Bears can compete in '23.
Bears were competitive in a lot of games last season losing a few be just a couple points and a few more by 1 score. Adding 3 pro-bowl quality players (Moore, Edmunds, Jackson) and upgrades with Nate Davis, Billings and Walker. Foreman could be an upgrade over Montgomery. But that's 6 or 7 new starters right there.
The draft could add 2 or 3 more starters. Big question is can the Bears significantly upgrade the front 4. That could be difficult with the draft but free agency is not over...not by a long shot.
But having said all that - its all going to depend on Fields. He has to get better...a lot better.
I don't predict game or season but I'd guess this team could be closer to .500.
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I predicted 6 wins last season and they got 3. I predict 9 wins this season so that means they'll get 4.5 (one tie ?) :D
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Can you just go ahead and predict 30 wins?
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If they play as hard for Eberflus as they did last season they’ll be quite a bit better.
Guys on the score are predicting 7-9 wins.
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Hard to predict anything til the dust settles...
Give me a strong defense and good solid run game...
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We'll see how the draft goes, but I certainly think the Bears can compete in '23.
So do I. But I am worried about all the chatter about 45 Oline players and no Dline 3 technigue.
You cant put a toad on the DLine and expect him to play like a 3 technique. With no Dline improvement leaves doubts about how well the '23 season will end up.
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The D can improve if they can at least stop the run. If you have the cover guys you can always blitz. But there's really no substitute from a pass rush from the front 4.
Bears need to find at least 2 starting pass rushers in this draft. That will be tough figuring they are supposed to go OT in R1. Poles strategy might just be to draft the F out of the front four after R1.
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Like you said earlier, that’s what makes the non-pursuit of Ngakoue so puzzling…
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Like you said earlier, that’s what makes the non-pursuit of Ngakoue so puzzling…
He's been with so many teams that one has to wonder if he's just a bad guy.
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Bears need to find at least 2 starting pass rushers in this draft.
I know it won't be a popular opinion, but I think they'll be OK just adding one - at least early in the draft. I think Gipson and Robinson will be fine with a sturdier interior of the D-line. If the DTs offer ZERO pass rush threat, then non-elite DEs will have trouble I might move Justin Jones to DE and look for some more beef inside.
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I think the Bears are 100% better off adding to the O-line. Defense can wait. Get the offense humming first. the years of d first winning teams is behind us.
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You need to go to your Cowboy board.
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I know it won't be a popular opinion, but I think they'll be OK just adding one - at least early in the draft. I think Gipson and Robinson will be fine with a sturdier interior of the D-line. If the DTs offer ZERO pass rush threat, then non-elite DEs will have trouble I might move Justin Jones to DE and look for some more beef inside.
Like the NBA you got to be able to make your own shot - Gipson and Robinson couldn't do that last year. Robinson was a rookie so there's hope but Gipson in my opinion was one of the biggest disappointments of the season. Gipson is still only 26 and coming into a contract year so there's still some hope.
But the addition of journeyman part time starTer DeMarcus Walker and run stopping Andrew Billings isn't nearly enough. Bears can manipulate the draft so they can get a really good RT and 2 d-lineman with their 3 picks in R1/R2. After that I still go D-line and corner with 2 of the 3 next picks.
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Inside info on how the Bears and Panthers pulled off the deal for #1…
https://theathletic.com/4365003/2023/04/03/bears-panthers-nfl-draft-trade-top-pick/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=6522436
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The D can improve if they can at least stop the run. If you have the cover guys you can always blitz. But there's really no substitute from a pass rush from the front 4.
Bears need to find at least 2 starting pass rushers in this draft. That will be tough figuring they are supposed to go OT in R1. Poles strategy might just be to draft the F out of the front four after R1.
I just saw a new wrinkle draft where the Bears take Bryan Breese @9. Reading up, it appears he is healed up from the knee injury
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That's kind of rich for him but just because you want to trade down doesn't mean you'll find a partner with the pick you want to trade down and with the compensation for trading down.
If Bears stick with #9 I wouldn't be surprise if Poles pulls a Pace and trades up in R2.
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It might be high for Breese @ 9 because of the injury, but he seems healed if he passed the combine
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He's a big fast 3 technique. I know he had the ACL in '21 but was he healthy in '22?
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I think he was healthy about the last 4 games.
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He was out early in 2022 because of the death of his sister from cancer.
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He was out early in 2022 because of the death of his sister from cancer.
That’s right but on a video I saw the analyst said he didn’t start out 2022 very well because he wasn’t fully healed then missed 4 games with his sisters death but finished the season strong.
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t&ei=UTF-8&p=Brian+Breese+Combine+interview#id=10&vid=7722c4b0619ba976cb2954ef1e26a70e&action=click
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At this point in time ... what should we do with the ninth pick ?
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We should either hang on to it and use it or trade it.
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I am kinda getting queezy. I definitely think we should use the pic but am not sure what we should draft. We have so many needs. The Bears know what they need. I think the short
supply of the draft appears to be OT and we need one desperately. My guess is the Bears draft one at #9. Trade back? I hope not. The Bears had the #1 pick and traded out of that.
Now at #9 they need to draft the best player worthy of a top 10 pick. And whoever they draft make sure they dont draft an OT with short arms.
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We don't know what Poles will do. We do know that the Bears need starters at RT, DT, DE and maybe at CB. First 4 picks could go that way.
But there are still decent FAs still out there that could be signed that could get the Bears through '23 and allow Poles to really go after the BPA like a HB or WR early. Positions that really don't look like huge needs in comparison to what the Bears have today. But realize that Foreman, Mooney and Claypool all have deals expiring in '23.
I am not saying that the Bears will draft a WR/HB - right now it looks like one of the tackles will go at 9, but Poles is unpredictable.
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but Poles is unpredictable
Yes he is. What concerns me is despite being an Olineman himself is that his HC is a defensive guy who is in high need himself on the defensive side of the ball.
You just cant predict which way he leans.
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I don't think Poles has an affinity to either side of the ball. Head coaches do but not GMs.
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I think last year they learned what the team needed to do to become legitimate again and bottomed out.
This season is the season they have to learn how to win, regardless of the circumstances of the game.
I do feel the Bears have a plan (both Front Office and Coaching), which is something I have not felt in a long time from this franchise. Will it work out ? We shall see but it should be an interesting ride for sure.....
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It's all about upgrading talent. Half the starters will be new to this year's Bears team.
We all had that same feeling when Pace hired Nagy away from the Chiefs. Poles and Eberflus and staff have not done anything yet.
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Well they have shown that they can handle losing... not sure that's a real benefit though..... :D
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Poles is going to need some luck, but if he plays the rest of free agency right and hits on some draft choices things could get interesting in Chicago.
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Well they have shown that they can handle losing... not sure that's a real benefit though
Well not really. This shows things I didnt know near the bottom about Claypool.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-bears-storylines-bijan-robinson-160300071.html
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@AdamSchefter
Former Texans’ free-agent defensive lineman Rasheem Green is a signing a one-year deal with the Bears, per source.
1:26 PM · Apr 6, 2023
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@AdamSchefter
Former Texans’ free-agent defensive lineman Rasheem Green is a signing a one-year deal with the Bears, per source.
1:26 PM · Apr 6, 2023
25 years old. Poles kind of number. 3rd round pick for Texans. 10 sacks last 2 seasons.
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Well they have shown that they can handle losing... not sure that's a real benefit though
Well not really. This shows things I didnt know near the bottom about Claypool.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-bears-storylines-bijan-robinson-160300071.html
2 things.
I read that Claypool wasn't that committed to learning the playbook after joining the Bears. Anyone else hear that? That might explain why he would go stretches where he was totally ignored. He's in a contract year so we'll probably see his best this season.
More and more articles about the Bears and Bijan Robinson. I've seen just about every game of his at TExas. Actually met him briefly in the team hotel before a game in Dallas last season (photo op for the wife). But he hung around with the fans and was very accommodating. But aside from that - he's just an awesome talent.
Makes no sense for the Bears to draft him. Running backs just don't get drafted in R1 and have short shelf lives. And the Bears just have too many needs on both lines. Solid running back depth with Herbert, Foreman and Homer. Nah, no way will the Bears draft him...
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I think it really depends on who is there at 9. What could really help us is Richardson and Levis go in the top 8. Anderson will be gone. So what if the receiver from Ohio State, Robinson out of Texas, and Carter for Georgia are all there at 9, along with the two offensive tackles? Then what?
Not going to lie, I won't hate Robinson at 9.
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I wouldnt hate Robinson either, but we have much larger glaring holes. I would still go OT first. Harder to get an elite prospect there.
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Is it harder to find a LT or a dominant DT? This is the dilemma....which to choose....
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I would say we have had Ted Washington and Keith Traylor, Tommie Harris, and Akeim Hicks at DT. I am hard pressed to name an elite LT.
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Assuming Poles has done his homework on Carter - then he's probably the guy. At that point you have to get a quality RT. Not sure any will be there at 53. You trade the lower 2nd rounder (61) and the 3rd rounder (64) and get into the top of R2. You still have #53 to get an edge.
If Carter's gone and if the Bears are content with the duo of Herbert/Foreman, then you trade down from 9 and you should be able to pick up one of the better OTs and you have the two 2's and the 3rd rounder AND whatever you got in the trade down to go after a couple d-lineman, corner and a center.
If the Bears take Robinson, then they better be signing some of those FAs that are waiting until the draft is over for teams like the Bears that have cap and have needs for starting quality lineman. They'll still have picks 53, 61 and 63 to fill holes but there's supposedly a talent drop off in the mid 2nd.
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I wouldnt hate Robinson either, but we have much larger glaring holes. I would still go OT first. Harder to get an elite prospect there.
Is the sentiment out there that any on the 3 offensive tackles have elite written on them? If not, do you choose elite at a position that we don't have a glaring hole, or take a solid tackle, maybe not elite? Or yes, door number 3, trade down a few spots and take a tackle and acquire more draft capital.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-land-top-edge-rusher-113514636.html
Wilson @ 9? Hmmm.
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Is the sentiment out there that any on the 3 offensive tackles have elite written on them? If not, do you choose elite at a position that we don't have a glaring hole, or take a solid tackle, maybe not elite? Or yes, door number 3, trade down a few spots and take a tackle and acquire more draft capital.
Most Bears fans would say door #2. A good number of fans would say door #3. Very few fans would say door #1 - with Bears taking a cornerback, WR or HB.
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Door 1
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Don't care who they draft and when as long as those they do draft work out and are good :D
There are going to be misses, but Poles HAS to hit more than miss in order to get this team back to real relevance and that has not been so for the Bears in a LONG time....
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Free agency so far.
DEFENSE
Demarcus Walker DE ____ Andrew Billings DT ____ Rasheem Green DE
T J Edwards LB ____ Tremaine Edwards ILB ____ Dylan Cole LB
OFFENSE
Nate Davis G ____ Robert Tonyan TE
Phillip Walker QB
Travis Homer RB ___ D'Onta Foreman RB
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Billings is a very good run stopping DT - just not a pass rusher. And he's only signed for one year.
Both those FA DEs can slide inside on passing downs. Neither is a major threat as a DE.
2nd wave of free agency should have the Bears adding a DE and a RT which could also coincide with the Bears first 2 picks...unless Carter slips.
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more changes coming:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-ol-teven-jenkins-says-124554863.html
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more changes coming:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-ol-teven-jenkins-says-124554863.html
Makes sense as Davis has played the RG position 4 years now. He's a quality signing (3 years) and not yet 27.
It's not like Jenkins has been play RG his whole career. There will be some adjustments moving to the left side but he'll have time to nail it down.
If Bears can snag a decent RT this O-line could be pretty good.
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2nd wave of free agency should have the Bears adding a DE and a RT which could also coincide with the Bears first 2 picks...unless Carter slips.
I just saw a new mock today that pointed to the Lions taking a CB and not Carter, leaving Carter to the Bears at 9. That possibility leaves the Bears without a stud RT @ 9.
I think there is going to be a short quick run on OTs Beginning @ 9. I doubt there is going to be anything decent left for the 2nd round.
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There will be some decent prospects for OT late in the 2nd…they’re just less likely to be great…
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For any subscribers to "The Atlantic", Dane Brugler's "The Beast" draft guide is out.
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Any number of teams not looking at QB could take Carter before the Bears.
Additionally, teams drafting after the Bears could trade up right in front of the Bears pick.
This is not one of those lonely guy moments where Carter is sitting in the green room all alone.
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I think the move of Jenkins shows they will draft a RT early to start. They want a seasoned veteran at RG to support. Braxton J with Tevon on left side is two younger players but both solid. I think that logic makes sense.
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There will be some decent prospects for OT late in the 2nd…they’re just less likely to be great…
I dunno about that - I still think the OTs will be flying off the board in R1 and early R2.
But it might not matter to Poles if he's got his eye on a small school guy like BJ.
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There are more teams needing offensive linemen than we tend to realize.
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Yup absolutely correct. Too scary to be trading down willy nilly for the hope to find some diamond like the Jones kid last year. There are reasons they are graded that low.
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Yup absolutely correct. Too scary to be trading down willy nilly for the hope to find some diamond like the Jones kid last year. There are reasons they are graded that low.
Nobody is talking about trading down from 1-9 to the fifth round.
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Nobody is talking about trading down from 1-9 to the fifth round.
Not the 5th - the 7th! If Poles trades down 124 time the Bears will have every pick in the 7th round - I ran the numbers.
If Poles was absolutely in love with someone at 9 there wouldn't be any talk of a trade down. He must have similar grades for a group of players he's targetting.
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No you arent Jeff. Agreed. But as you trade down the talent level goes down. And your ability to find quality goes down. Its why players have talent grades.
The problem as I see it is getting talent ready to start/compete and not having to wait years to become quality players. And yes I know you can find starters down the ladder.
My point is I dont want to wait 5 years to become relative. Its why I asked the question about the Maryland OT. He seems to be pretty green and not NFL ready.
And I firmly believe we need to use #9 on top grade talent at some position of need such as 3 technigue or OT.
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Jeff
"Chicago dropped eight spots in Round 1 but picked up a massive haul in its trade with Carolina, allowing it to keep premium picks in this draft and add future capital as well. And if it wants to add an instant starter at No. 9, offensive tackle is the position to target. I like Wright’s opportunity with the Bears if we’re strictly looking at right tackles, since Braxton Jones held his own on the left side last season. Wright started 27 games at right tackle in college; his tape against Will Anderson Jr. and Alabama was phenomenal. He’s the best right tackle in this class. My pal Louis Riddick is a huge fan too. This is a selection to keep quarterback Justin Fields clean."
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-2023-nfl-mock-draft-two-rounds-darnell-wright-bj-ojulari-jaquelin-roy/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=6
See we had the worst record in the NFL last year. We HAD the #1 pick in this draft and we traded it. Now we have the #9 pick. We should get a top 10 player there @9.
My feeling is we need to get the best quality players we can get at positions of need
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I would agree with that. They need to be careful not to trade quality for quantity. If they can stay fairly high up the ladder it may work out fine....
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Yeah, I am tired of Rinky, Dinky and Mo and athletic guys that jump out of pools.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw
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interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3857ZeaCHd0)
After listening to the Marinelli interview, I had to look up standing broad jump combine results for DT (https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/live-results/broad-jump/dt/all-colleges/) and Edge (https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/live-results/broad-jump/de/all-colleges/). Would be interesting to see if some of the guys at the top get drafted by the Bears. Obviously like any player in the draft no sure thing as Gilbert jumped just under 10' (https://hortonbarbell.com/all-time-best-nfl-combine-defensive-end-broad-jumps/) but sucked on the field.
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If not Carter then build around protecting the franchise player.
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I need a landing spot for CHICAGO BEARS .
First place or last place ?
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Where do we start and when do we begin ?
How far of this year do you think is going to be our year ?
This is a pessimistic number : 9 - 8 .
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Assuming no substantial injuries to the QB or the Oline, I think 11 or 12 wins is a reasonable shot.
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Why are you so pessamistic? Go for the whole banana. 17-0 JJ wont mind.
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A .500 season (whatever that is with a 17 game season) would be a step in the right direction, with 2 of those wins against Green Bay..
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Absolutely.
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The thing to keep in mind is that these players they drafted arent all plug and play playersexcept their #1 pick.
There is going to be a lot of work to do to to get these draftees up to NFL quality.
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The biggest factor in increasing wins is Fields progression. He's surrounded my upgraded talent on offense and the defense is now approaching average.
But if Fields doesn't show marked improvement it will be a battle for 4th place with the other team in the division hoping their QB shows something too.
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The thing to keep in mind is that these players they drafted arent all plug and play playersexcept their #1 pick.
There is going to be a lot of work to do to to get these draftees up to NFL quality.
You're right though I wouldn't be surprised if the corner Stevenson has a chance to get some quality time early on. The 2 DTs are a total unknown - right now we got to hope they can platoon in with Jones and Billings and not get abused. The WR and the HB will probably be limited to special teams barring injury. Sewel should be able to play STs too with 4.6 speed.
But the guy I want to see is that NT from Kennisaw St.
But a good portion of the new faces are FAs: Billings, Walker, Davis, Green, Edmunds, Moore, Edwards and they should be good to go from the start.
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But the guy I want to see is that NT from Kennisaw St.
Absolutely. They swung for the fences on him. It'll be very interesting to see what they got. Ya just never know what you get
Another to watch is the WR Scott from Cincinnati. Diminutive size wise. He could be a great slot receiver. You just never know. Speed kills.
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The biggest factor in increasing wins is Fields progression. He's surrounded my upgraded talent on offense and the defense is now approaching average.
But if Fields doesn't show marked improvement it will be a battle for 4th place with the other team in the division hoping their QB shows something too.
You are correct that the performance of the Bears this season will depend largely upon the performance of Fields. But Fields poor performance thus far has been more a function of their QB support infrastructure than a function of the QB talent. The Bears have substantially inproved their support infrastructure, which should allow their QB's talent to perform at a much higher level.
A talented QB has very little chance to perform up to his talent level if he is running for his life on every play, or if his targets are constantly covered by the defenders. Improvements in WR and Oline should allow Fields to perform closer to his talent level. If his talent level turns out to be lacking, at least we will know where our weak spot is.
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Fields can't blame his poor 2022 passing all on the O-line and receivers. I've seen plenty of instances where he's hesitant to make a throw because he doesn't either trust himself or the receiver. And for every scramble he made to avoid the rush I've seen instances where he doesn't move when he should take a sidestep or step up to avoid a rush and get off a pass.
He also seemed to miss quite a few easy short passes without any pressure.
Improving the O-line and the receiving corp may also have a mental benefit for Fields that will improve his confidence. It looked shot last year.
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Improving the O-line and the receiving corp may also have a mental benefit for Fields that will improve his confidence.
The impact of this is massive and cannot be emphasized enough. If your offensive line is allowing pressure at a ridiculous rate, you will often be unable to react properly when the line does hold.
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You're right. Both DT's are gonna need some work.
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You're right. Both DT's are gonna need some work.
And expecting a lot of wins is a lot to expect. Expecting 11 wins is expecting at least a wild card playoff birth.
While it sounds pleasing to think of, its too much to expect for a total rebuild so quickly. This year is the first baby step.
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I don't buy that the Bears aren't ready to be a solid team. This talent level should be enough to contend for a wildcard and possibly a division title.
Bears lost 7 games last season by one score. 5 of those less than a TD.
We all know that a lot depends on Fields, but the offense has been upgraded and if the defense can score a FA DE the defense can be respectable...maybe near average.
You need playmakers on your front 4 and right now they don't have any. Billings and the 2 new ends will help stop the run but we don't have any pass rushers that are going to keep OCs up at night. The rookie DTs are an unknown.
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We all know that a lot depends on Fields, but the offense has been upgraded and if the defense can score a FA DE the defense can be respectable...maybe near average.
You need playmakers on your front 4 and right now they don't have any. Billings and the 2 new ends will help stop the run but we don't have any pass rushers that are going to keep OCs up at night. The rookie DTs are an unknown.
Look we might score a few victories early till opposing OCs discover our defensive weaknesses, I just dont expect that to last. And you are right about coming up with an edge rusher
if we can get one before the season starts. Question.....Is Quinn a cap casualty before the season begins? If he gets cut, would the Bears bite?
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I read that Quinn was really, really ticked off that the Bears got rid of him. He may not want to come back.
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Quinn was done last year. He'll soon be 33. But then again, lately he seems to be recording big sack number in odd numbered years.
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Here's some good stuff...
https://twitter.com/NFL_Podcasts/status/1653786893925089280
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The posts here in week eight of the season being positive or negative will define the future.
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Thx Bears4. Nice short 26 minute pod. 2 takeaways -- weed is big biz and "hell yeah, that was a catch" said Peanut.
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UDFA overview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZbpeZtKnU
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I wish they'd do more pods like that one. Former players talking about stuff on the field. "you're not a nice guy... That's Megatron trash talking" :D
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Poles will add an edge rusher or two before training camp. Ngakoue, Houston, Frank Clark, and Leonard Floyd are all options.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/chase-young-trade-carl-lawson-170000069.html
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This talent level should be enough to contend for a wildcard and possibly a division title.
IMO this is highly optimistic. I would expect a mid level season as these new players get acclimated to the system. 8 or 9 wins.....
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That sounds more realistic.
I saw an article by a well known individual about how the 2024 draft was going to go and I said to myself, wait a minute.
Thats putting the cart before the horse. The season hasnt even started or been played and you cant tell how the college season will go either.
Get real.
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The only thing I could state for sure is that they are more talented as more positions than last year....
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IMO this is highly optimistic. I would expect a mid level season as these new players get acclimated to the system. 8 or 9 wins.....
I did say contend for a playoff spot. Last season Seattle had 9 wins and made the playoffs.
Obviously, Fields has to step up, but I'm still concerned about the pass rush. Offense aside from Fields should be good to go but O-line may take a few games to gell together. Jenkins has to stay healthy and Wright has to be what we all expect. Although some nuts are writing about first ballot HoF - unbelievable.
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I found this article very interesting:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/5/7/23714538/1st-and-10-bears-tank-is-no-longer-empty?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=050823%20Sports&utm_content=050823%20Sports+CID_3dd5c3c5ef4b2680a1d3db1aaa8f2ed6&utm_source=cst%20campaign%20monitor&utm_term=As%20painful%20as%20the%2010-game%20losing%20streak%20at%20the%20end%20of%20a%203-14%20season%20was%20with%20DJ%20Moore%20Darnell%20Wright%20and%20draft%20picks%20GM%20Ryan%20Poles%20rebuild%20is%20better%20off%20for%20it&tpcc=050823%20Sports
Enjoy.
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As with any team reconfiguring....tired of 'rebuilding'....it'll take some time to get the right pieces together and working together. This coming season should be better but health plays a major role. If they can keep the team healthy they'll have a shot at making some noise. Should be more fun to watch at least....
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Defense concerns me. We need some pass rush. Also, someone mentioned the new backer possibly replacing Sanborn. I call bullshirt on that. I know Sanborn doesn't have all the glitzy physical attributes, but the guy has a nose for the football. He's the type of player that makes a play on the ball when you most need it..
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The SLB in this defense won't be seeing the field that much. Both Sanborn and Sewell will probably get more action on STs than on the starting D.
Both can backup the MLB, but I'm not sure they have a backup for the WLB (Edwards).
Sewell is a little bit thicker than Sanbord and 1/10 of a second in the 40 fast, but you can't measure recognition at the combine. This is a good probem to have.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/5/5/23713148/all-eyes-on-no-10-pick-darnell-wright-as-bears-open-rookie-minicamp
Man that pic shows a lot. Talk about wide.
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Both can backup the MLB
I forgot about Edmunds
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If Wright can play with a little bit of nasty attitude with that size we will be set on the right side.
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I don't know that Big Cat Williams was ever labaled nasty but he went after folks that messed with the QB. Kind of like Tevin Jenkins did against the Vikes in 2021.
The biggest benefactors of improved pass blocking besides Fields and the WRs is Kmet and the halfbacks. I don't know how many times last year on passing plays both Kmet and a running back were back in protection. Getsy may be able to deploy those guys more into pass patterns which gives Fields more options to find an open receiver and less chances to have to scramble down field.
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What if we took the 3 DT's we drafted ... lined them up at LDE and RDE and took the third and launched him up the middle ...
think all the LB's we signed could get through to the QB ?
No matter what the opposing LT and RT would have to respond to plodding DT's playing out of position.
That's two down and three to go on OL. Our third DT draftee heads down the middle and takes out OL #3.
Would it be a feast of LB's getting past the remaining 2 OL ?
Anyone care for a safety blitz also?
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Not sure if the Parkins (https://twitter.com/DannyParkins?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) source will leak, but this google doc (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/3/d/e/2PACX-1vSjKIhsPe_wsOErGVLxrZ9Hvup5APu_3oVZg9bt0BT01ABFDRSkUJNCH-I5MAYWP34PtcHErxVXGrxV/pubhtml#) will be updated throughout the day by @NerdingonNFL (https://twitter.com/NerdingOnNFL/status/1655701660486754306)
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Pretty easy schedule.
Chiefs are the only unwinable game.
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When's the last time any of you have been this optimistic ?
Be honest.
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Pretty easy schedule.
Chiefs are the only unwinable game.
I say it every year if your team is good the schedule doesn't matter. Didn't Bears have a supposed easy schedule last year?
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Last year they played the 49ers Eagles Bills and Dolphins.
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Last year they played the 49ers Eagles Bills and Dolphins.
And they beat the 49ers. Lost to the Eagles by 5 and the Dolphins by 3. And with one of the worst rosters in the entire NFL.
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I don't like the first game being against the Packers. Once film gets out on Love the NFL will figure him out. We get him before there is any tape to study.
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And they beat the 49ers. Lost to the Eagles by 5 and the Dolphins by 3. And with one of the worst rosters in the entire NFL.
Not sure what your point is. I said this is an easier schedule playing only one elite team.
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And they beat the 49ers. Lost to the Eagles by 5 and the Dolphins by 3. And with one of the worst rosters in the entire NFL.
Operative word is lost. Doesn't matter if it's by one..
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I don't like the first game being against the Packers. Once film gets out on Love the NFL will figure him out. We get him before there is any tape to study.
OTOH, isn't this Love's second start and someone like him would generally get off to a slow start like a rookie. I hate having 2 TNFs but that does result in a minibye before playing v. Minny and @ Detroit. I expect the Bears to sweep the fuckin Queens and I will be there Monday night to soak it all in.
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Getsy should have a pretty good idea of how they might use Love and how to attack him. My guess is slants, screens and run the ball will be their goal. Hopefully our
New DTs can shoot gaps and get their hands up.
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Not sure what your point is. I said this is an easier schedule playing only one elite team.
Everyone looks to the schedule in anticipation of having an easy schedule. I don't.
Why play a bunch of scrub teams and beat them only to get beat by the better teams? If you can beat some of the better teams you may actually have a chance in the playoffs.
Plus teams get better and worse from year to year. So you really can't judge a schedule until after its been played out.
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I did not think about the Getsy angle. I just know the one game Love got into last year he played pretty well.
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Everyone looks to the schedule in anticipation of having an easy schedule. I don't.
Why play a bunch of scrub teams and beat them only to get beat by the better teams? If you can beat some of the better teams you may actually have a chance in the playoffs.
Plus teams get better and worse from year to year. So you really can't judge a schedule until after its been played out.
That’s all true but if the Bears can steadily improve getting all the new parts to gel then they could be playing their best football at the end of the year. There are still plenty of tests on the schedule to see if they are ready. I’m not expecting it can see the opportunity for a winning record.
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Looks like Poles is on the ball:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-looking-everything-including-trades-205000557.html
Go Poles. And they have plenty of cap space too.
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This year we play zero teams coming off of a bye week.
I think we played the most teams coming off a bye week last year. it seemed like almost every team had a bye before the Bears played them.
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I hope we win and stay under the radar because nobody takes us seriously ...
until it dawns on the media ...
hey wait a fuuckin minute ...
where the fuuck did DAA BEARRSSE come from ?
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Right?
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"The only way to pry Young or Sweat away from the Commanders before the season starts would be to offer a trade package they can't turn down. That would almost certainly include one of the Bears' two 2024 first-round picks."
No way is Young going to garner a 1st rounder. Not after the last 2 years. I've already posted about his lackluster 2021 and then he hardly played in 2022 coming off his injury.
I wouldn't want the Bears giving up the Panthers pick and the Panthers end up winning 3 or 4 games and have a top 5 pick. How come NFL teams don't protect top first rounders like the NBA does?
Sweat has been conistent but is also benefitting from 2 pro-bowl level DTs. If I were the Commanders Sweat would be the one I'd retain but I don't know their cap situation.
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Bears are NOT under the radar. There is so much hype with this season now and especially with Fields expected to have a breakout year.
Unbelievable for a team coming off 3 wins.
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3 wins and hype?? They've got a lot to prove first....
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Relative to their talent level, the 2022 Chicago Bears were one of the better Bears teams of the past fifteen years.
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3 wins doesn't convince me....
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I agree with Jeff…could you imagine Nagy behind the wheel of last year’s team?
We definitely wouldn’t have needed Lovie’s help in week 18…
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We're talking the tallest midget...
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Although, what else do we have to talk about..
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Relative to their talent level, the 2022 Chicago Bears were one of the better Bears teams of the past fifteen years.
I dunno that I would say that. Can you imagine an ordinary QB at the helm? Fields kept things interesting for the most part. Skill positions were so-so. Line was suspect but youth gave us hope.
Defensively. Front 7 (minus Roquan) worst in the NFL - possibly among the worst in Bears history.
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We all hope Fields stays healthy. Just for conversation sake, what do we have behind him? I know Bagent was undrafted, and played for a div 2 school, any promise there?
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Nagy was lost, dazed and confused. He was a disaster. The future looks brighter I will say that, but they still need to prove it on the field.....
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Other than Ditka and possibly Lovie, I don't know that anyone thinks or says anything favorable about any Bears ex head-coach.
Nagy was blamed for ruining Trubisky. But Tomlin got even less out of him.
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They have picked some doozies.....
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That’s why it’s good that they hired a team president for the first time to end the family’s influence.
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We all hope Fields stays healthy. Just for conversation sake, what do we have behind him? I know Bagent was undrafted, and played for a div 2 school, any promise there?
I would rather have Bagent on the PS over Peterman. Walker at the very least is less boring to watch than Siemien and he has some chemistry with Moore. Worst case scenario, if Fields sucks or gets sidelined with a season ender, they have baseline ammo that may be just enough to move up for Williams. In any case, I am looking forward to a very interesting season.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ryan-poles-made-justin-fields-211518735.html
interesting
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I would rather have Bagent on the PS over Peterman. Walker at the very least is less boring to watch than Siemien and he has some chemistry with Moore. Worst case scenario, if Fields sucks or gets sidelined with a season ender, they have baseline ammo that may be just enough to move up for Williams. In any case, I am looking forward to a very interesting season.
Huh? So if Fields is having a nice season but gets his knee taken out - the Bears try to move up to take Williams? What would it take to draft Williams? Ask Carolina what they had to give up.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/chicago-bears-early-2023-record-expert-predictions/
That seems more likely.
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Gentlemen (if Sailorgirl was here I would say Ladies and Gentlemen)
Sorry to hear about her passing by sticking her tongue in a toaster. :'(
However lets cut to the chase ... there's enuff talent here to equal the 1984 Bears.
We have one advantage over that historic team when it comes to rebuilding ...
TWO first round picks next season.
Which could make us 1985 BEARRSSE.
Should I be pessimistic or optimistic ?
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Wait, what was that about a toaster?
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Wait, what was that about a toaster?
It might have been a microwave, the details are sketchy.
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For those not familiar with the chicago bears video's. They are worth a watch. Here is the latest one.
https://www.chicagobears.com/video/building-a-championship-culture-1920-football-drive
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This team does have a feel like 83 team again (albeit with a less ferocious defense). This year they discover who they are. That 1st game against the Packers will set the tone for the rest that is to come.....
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This team does have a feel like 83 team again (albeit with a less ferocious defense). This year they discover who they are. That 1st game against the Packers will set the tone for the rest that is to come.....
Yes. I agree with that. Beating up on the Pack is very important. It sets the tone for the whole season.
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I don't know about that. The Packer game is critical but then when its over the next game is critical too.
But Fields has to get on the same page with Moore and Claypool. Recall last year Fields did not get Mooney and Kmet involved until after the first few games.
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Open AI rant on Bears (sounds almost human, no ?) :D
Oh, where do I even begin with the Chicago Bears' 2023 season? It's been nothing short of a disaster. As a passionate fan, it's incredibly frustrating to watch my team struggle year after year.
First and foremost, let's talk about the coaching staff. I had high hopes when they brought in a new head coach, promising a fresh start and a new direction. But what do we get? The same old conservative play-calling, lack of creativity, and questionable decision-making. It's like they're stuck in the past, unwilling to adapt to the modern game.
And then there's the quarterback situation. It's been a revolving door of mediocrity for years now. We've had some promising young quarterbacks come through, but they've all been hindered by poor offensive schemes and a lack of talent around them. The front office's inability to find a franchise quarterback is mind-boggling. How many more seasons are we going to waste with subpar quarterback play?
Speaking of talent, let's talk about the roster. It's clear that we have significant deficiencies in key positions. The offensive line is a disaster, constantly allowing pressure and failing to create running lanes. Our receiving corps is lackluster, with no true number one option that strikes fear into opposing defenses. And don't get me started on the defense. Once the pride and joy of the Bears, it's now a shell of its former self. The secondary is porous, and the pass rush is virtually nonexistent.
I understand that injuries are a part of the game, but the Bears seem to be plagued by them season after season. It's disheartening to see key players go down and the team's performance suffer as a result. We need better conditioning, injury prevention strategies, and depth in our roster to overcome these setbacks.
Ultimately, the frustration comes from the lack of progress. It feels like we're stuck in a perpetual cycle of mediocrity, never quite good enough to contend but never bad enough to secure high draft picks. The front office needs to take a hard look at themselves, make bold moves, and invest in the long-term success of the team.
As a Bears fan, I'm tired of false hope, empty promises, and watching other teams succeed while we continue to struggle. I love this team, but something needs to change, and it needs to change now.
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Hal, is that you?
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I wouldn't do that if I where you, Dave....... :D
For giggles I had it do one with a superfan accent:
Da Bears, baby! Let me tell ya, the 2023 season has been a real tough pill to swallow for us die-hard Chicago Bears fans. It's like a punch in the gut, I tell ya!
First off, our coaching situation is a real head-scratcher. We thought we were getting a fresh start with a new head coach, but it's the same ol' story, my friend. Conservative play-calling, lack of imagination, and just plain old bad decisions. It's enough to make a fan wanna pull their hair out!
And what about them quarterbacks, huh? We've been searchin' high and low for a franchise QB, but it's like tryin' to find a needle in a haystack. We've had a bunch of 'em come and go, but none of 'em have been able to light a fire under this team. It's frustratin', I tell ya!
Now, let's talk about our roster. Our offensive line is leakier than a rusty ol' bucket. They can't protect the QB for nothin'! And our wide receivers? Well, let's just say they're about as reliable as a leaky faucet. We need some playmakers, some guys who can make things happen on the field!
And don't even get me started on the defense. It used to be the heart and soul of this team, but now it's more like a leaky ship. Our secondary is gettin' burned like toast, and our pass rush is softer than a marshmallow. We need some ferocious defenders who can strike fear into the hearts of our opponents!
Injuries, injuries, injuries! It's like we got a curse on our team, my friend. Key players go down left and right, and it's killin' our chances of success. We gotta find a way to keep our guys healthy and on the field.
But you know what, despite all the frustration, I still bleed blue and orange. I'll always support my Bears, no matter what. We've been through tough times before, and we'll get through this, too. So, let's bear down and hope that brighter days are comin' for da Bears!
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Hadnt seen this name before:
For most of the offseason, it has looked like the New York Jets and edge rusher Carl Lawson might be headed for a breakup -- one that could benefit the pass-rush-starved Bears.
Jets head coach Robert Saleh made it clear at the annual league meeting that Lawson wouldn't be going anywhere, and the edge rusher agreed to a restructured contract on Thursday that guarantees him $8 million.
The restructured contract means Lawson will, as Saleh said, be playing football in New York this fall. While the agreement takes Lawson off the Bears' radar, it might have opened the door for the Bears to acquire another Jets pass rusher.
No, not defensive tackle Quinnen Williams. Williams is frustrated with his current contract situation, but the chances of the Jets trading the star defensive tackle are ... slim to none.
However, the Jets have a deep roster of pass rushers, four of whom (Lawson, John Franklin-Myers, Jermaine Johnson, and rookie Will McDonald) have guaranteed money in 2023.
Bryce Huff and Michael Clemons do not.
Huff, 25, is a name to watch as Bears general manager Ryan Poles tries to inject talent into the Bears' pass rush before training camp.
Huff signed a restricted tender this offseason, meaning he will make $4.3 million in 2023.
Last season, Huff was one of the best pure pass rushers in the NFL.
Among the 108 edge rushers with at least 170 pass-rush snaps, Huff ranked first in pass-rush win rate (28 percent), first in pressure rate (20.8 percent), and second in true pass set pressure rate (26.5 percent). He notched four sacks, eight hits, and 36 pressures in 14 games.
Huff is a pass-rush specialist in the truest sense.
He's a violent, downhill rusher who struggles against the run. There's a chance he can develop into a more well-rounded edge rusher with more opportunity. Due to the Jets' depth and Huff's issues against the run, he played only 191 total snaps in 14 games, per Pro Football Focus.
As things stand right now, the Bears have DeMarcus Walker, Trevis Gipson, Dominique Robinson, and Rasheem Green on their two-deep at edge rusher.
Poles said the Bears are looking "at everything" to improve their edge-rushing depth before the start of training camp.
Free agents Yannick Ngakoue, Frank Clark, Leonard Floyd, Justin Houston, and Jason Pierre-Paul still are looking for jobs and would provide the Bears with an immediate boost on the edge.
Chase Young is the big name on the trade market, but there are several reasons that it's unlikely he'll be the answer to the Bears' problems.
Sending the Jets a mid-round pick for Huff is the type of low-risk, high-reward deal Poles has made in the past.
Huff has high upside and would, at the very least, give the Bears a true pass rusher they can unleash on the left side of the line on passing down.
Lawson is staying in New York. Williams isn't going anywhere. But Huff is sure to draw trade interest from several teams, and the Bears should be at the front of the line to add a young, high-upside pass rusher to a currently toothless unit.
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Send them Philly's 4th rounder the Bears received in the round 1 trade down.
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As mentioned, Huff has some upside. I wouldn't cry if they were able to pick him up with the mentioned 4th round pick. I wouldn't spend too much on any of the available guys mentioned above. I'm guessing Floyd or Houston wouldn't be too terrible in price. Obviously pass rusher would be priority in next years draft...
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As mentioned, Huff has some upside. I wouldn't cry if they were able to pick him up with the mentioned 4th round pick. I wouldn't spend too much on any of the available guys mentioned above. I'm guessing Floyd or Houston wouldn't be too terrible in price. Obviously pass rusher would be priority in next years draft...
...or QB.
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Dallas bite your tongue...
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The expectations for Fields for this season are becomng unrealistic. If he's not a top 5 or top 10 QB he'll be deemed a failure.
As many that are rooting for Fields there are almost as many that are expecting him to fail. There's no middle ground here.
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There is no way he can live up to some people's expectations.
If he learns to take/make the short passes when the deep ones aren't there, he will be a top 15 QB. That is all he has to do along with his running ability to extend drives.
If he can put it all together, I see him as a Mahomes type top 5 QB but I don't expect him to get there this year. Hopefully next year.
But I think the arrow is pointing up. The offense should be able to score a lot of points. It is the defense I am worried about.
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Roll outs and learning to work the pocket would go a long way..
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If the line is improved and giving him time and he still is having issues getting the ball to receivers, Houston we got problems.
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Yes, we have problems but 2 first round picks.
I'd prefer to draft a couple DEs instead.
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The expectations for Fields for this season are becoming unrealistic
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/5/24/23736572/bears-dj-moore-justin-fields-combine-for-1-2-punch-quarterback-wide-receiver-matt-eberflus-otas-nfl?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=052523%20Sports%20newsletter&utm_content=052523%20Sports%20newsletter+CID_ee2e0ced8681d8155ca1c2d4322ec286&utm_source=cst%20campaign%20monitor&utm_term=DJ%20Moore%20can%20team%20with%20Justin%20Fields%20to%20give%20Bears%201-2%20punch&tpcc=052523%20Sports%20newsletter
I think you are going to have to take that comment back Dallas.
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If anything this supports my statement. The addition of DJ Moore and the solidifying of the O-line is putting more pressure on Fields to perform.
Assuming the O-line stays healthy (there's little depth) what excuses will Fields have if he's not one of the top QBs in the NFL?
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I dont think Fields feels that pressure. I think Moore and Claypool and OLine improvement will make Field's job easier. He has the ability.
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Look at who we got rid of and who we signed in FA and then drafted.
The slate has been wiped clean.
There is only this upcoming season.
All we can do is wait.
Are you better off as a BEARRSSE fan now then when you were at this time last year?
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I dont think Fields feels that pressure. I think Moore and Claypool and OLine improvement will make Field's job easier. He has the ability.
I have no doubt that Fields is a very confident person - most that make the NFL wouldn't be where they are today if they weren't.
And yes the additons will make Field's job eaier and yes he has the ability.
All I said is that there are tremendous expectations by the fans on media for Fields to have a banner year. You need more than confidence and the potential ability to succeed at QB in the NFL.
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Well you've got to give Poles credit- if Fields doesn't have "it" he can reload with 2 1st round picks next year for another QB. Not the best situation but the best situation for a shitty position to be in. He definitely hedged his bets.
Proactive thinking in Halas Hall ? I sure hope he does not drink the water from the fountains there. People seem to get stupid and stupider the more they are there.... :D
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https://news.yahoo.com/chicago-bears-ok-begin-teardowns-164100565.html
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/chicago-bears-otas-highlights-first-week-justin-fields-dj-moore/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=0&email=emailaddr
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/chicago-bears-nfl-quarterback-rankings-pff-patrick-mahomes-justin-herbert-jordan-love/?itm_source=parsely-api
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/chicago-bears-nfl-quarterback-rankings-pff-patrick-mahomes-justin-herbert-jordan-love/?itm_source=parsely-api
Without a consistent pass rush many of those players could have their best game of the season playing the Bears.
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Kinda the same thing I thought. Our defense is seriously unproven..
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According to rumors our WR's clock out as the fastest WR corp in the NFL.
Is this true ?
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Jaylen Waddle and Tyreek Hill probably have Miami near the top of the list.
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True, but if you're talking skill position speed the Bears may be at the top. That would include Fields, Herbert and Donta Foreman - all mid 4.4s.
Very un-Bear like.
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That’s true…but JJ only mentioned WRs, so that’s what I went with…
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/31/bears-first-overall-pick-chances-2024-nfl-draft-panthers/:
Haha. Wow #10 and #11? Who wouldnt take that?
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If the Panthers and the Bears have similar enough seasons to pick back to back, our season will be a major disappointment.
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I wonder how we will react when we are not the NFC NORF clowns anymore ...
but in effect ...
own it.
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I fully expect the Panthers pick to be top 5. They’re gonna suck.
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I dunno - they have some good defenders.
A lot depends on how much they have to depend on BYoung.
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This looks good. I'll take 6 per game:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/watch-justin-fields-d-j-172018407.html
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So thats what a No 1 WR looks like. Now lets see it in a game, with a pass rush.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-network-predicts-outcome-every-121507123.html
I'll have some of what they are smoking please.
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12-5?!?? Yeah that's way optimistic...
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12-5? Yeah way optimistic. With 3 Thursday games its going to be hard for some fans to follow the team.
Seems like they are picking on the Bears
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Rank is a big Bears fan, no doubt…but which of his picks are y’all disagreeing with?
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Doubt they'll win in Wash, beating the Vikes is possible but not likely, same for the Lions. And we're more likely to split with the Packers than sweep them. It's more likely they go 8-9 or 9-8....
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12-5? Yeah way optimistic. With 3 Thursday games its going to be hard for some fans to follow the team.
Seems like they are picking on the Bears
Well I just saw a different schedule that said we only had 2 Thursdays.
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Speaking of Thursday nights. YouTube TV has an early price for NFL games that ends tomorrow. I think its like $250 for all NFL games. Similar to DirectTVs old NFL ticket, but cheaper.
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No BEARRSE fan gave a flyin fuuck about the 1983 Bears ...
but then ... in 1984 ...
and then again the next year.
History has a way of repeating itself.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/6/1/23746090/bears-still-shopping-for-pass-rush-help-defensive-end-edge-matt-eberflus-free-agency-sacks-pressure
The sniffing has begun. I hear the birds cheeping, or is that cheaping? And by the look at things, the rebuild idea was to get younger and cheaper,
but the edge guys looking to get back on the inside are all older. It appears the whining has begun.
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If the Bears goal this season is to be mediocre and not be in playoff contention then they should just sit tight with their 4 DEs they have now. And I'm not sure that the 2 DEs they acquired (Walker and Raheem Green) are true DEs.
Gipson might increase his sack totals in his contract year. Robinson could take a big step his sophmore season. The new DTs could open things up for the edge guys.
But if you want to really improve this team you got to bring in some kind of talent on the edge. Hopefully, Poles has a plan and is playing chicken with a couple of these veteran FA DEs or is hoping someone gets cut. You can't have a team where everyone is 22 to 27 years old. You might need to sprinkle in some 30+ guys that can give you some quality snaps especially on defense where rotating is more prevalent.
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All these guys want multi year deals with guaranteed money.
Poles wants a one year deal so once training camp is near over they will be desperate for any paycheck.
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I wouldn't give any of those guys a multi year deal..
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DUH!
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/6/1/23746090/bears-still-shopping-for-pass-rush-help-defensive-end-edge-matt-eberflus-free-agency-sacks-pressure
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/6/6/23751456/bears-doing-business-in-a-new-way-kevin-warren-mccaskey-halas?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=060723sptsnewsletter&utm_content=060723sptsnewsletter+CID_08ba7d0fa3536b39902cbf013fd2633a&utm_source=cst%20campaign%20monitor&utm_term=HOLMES%20Team%20president%20Kevin%20Warren%20isnt%20running%20the%20franchise%20like%20the%20HalasMcCaskey%20mom-and-pop%20operation%20Chicago%20is%20used%20to&tpcc=060723sptsnewsletter
Interesting read
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I wouldn't give any of those guys a multi year deal..
I don't know maybe one of those guys might get a 2 year deal. Or Bears might be able to up the $ on a one year deal to make it more appealing.
Bears need a DE - the DEs need a job. Somethings got to give.
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Naperville? If I live in Downers Grove (where I'm from), Westmont, Oak Brook, Lisle, I'm pushing for the stadium to go to Arlington Heights. The Traffic would be unreal.. Couple years ago I got stuck going from Paletine back down to the loop on a Friday evening... Holy ****...
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As a kid, we used to go to the Arlington track, bet a little on the horses..
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Here is something that came my way via the Chicago Suntimes, TYVM.
2. Dynamic duo
Justin Fields to DJ Moore is not yet a thing — it’s still only June. But the Bears’ thirst for an intuitive quarterback/receiver combination that fuels an offense and instills fear in a defense is so great, every pass from Fields to Moore in offseason practices looks like a revelation — and the start of the Bears’ version of Aaron Rodgers to Davante Adams.
The Bears are not there yet. Not even close. But they’re trying. From virtually the first moment Fields and Moore stepped on the same practice field at Halas Hall, Fields has made immediate and steady use of Moore, the three-time 1,000-yard receiver acquired as part of a trade with the Panthers for the No. 1 overall draft pick.
The Bears aren’t even bothering with the charade that the best man will be the No. 1 receiver. And neither is Fields. Moore is that man. If there’s such a thing as the quarterback of the 32nd-ranked passing offense having a go-to guy in the spring, this is it.
“It looks like they’ve got that chemistry going very fast — earlier than I expected. They look like they’re best friends,” safety Jaquan Brisker said. “Justin’s definitely throwing him the ball. Justin looks good. He’s going through his progressions. He’s looking very smooth, making good decisions out there and looking like the best quarterback in the NFL. I thought that last year, but this year is different. [Fields] looks different, and him and [Moore] — you’re gonna see. You will see.”
‘Sky’s the limit’ for Justin Fields-DJ Moore connection
From the moment Moore stepped on the practice field at Halas Hall, he’s been Fields’ go-to guy. “They look like they’re best friends,” safety Jaquan Brisker said.
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What do you have to say abourt this Dallas?
https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/chase-young-commanders-trade-montez-sweat/?fbclid=IwAR2S2kbo6n4UxQQzn4ilKQglZw9JRtJNuXBpGr02Zz3x9ksPtBj9UjmNQ2w
But there are no guarantees on Young's high caliber return to greatness.
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I'm looking forward to it..
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What do you have to say abourt this Dallas?
https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/chase-young-commanders-trade-montez-sweat/?fbclid=IwAR2S2kbo6n4UxQQzn4ilKQglZw9JRtJNuXBpGr02Zz3x9ksPtBj9UjmNQ2w
But there are no guarantees on Young's high caliber return to greatness.
I'm not against the trade. But we all need to look at 2021. He was coming off his rookie all everything season in 2020 and played 9 games in 2021 before tearing up his knee. One and a half sacks.
Bears could low ball Washington with a middle round pick with an upgrade.
I think Washington might let Sweat and Young open the season, then prior to the trade deaeline choose to re-sign one and trade the other. That is, assuming Young has re-covered from his 2020 knee injury.
There's a writer that is suggesting the Bears outright trade their second rounder. No way.
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I saw a 4th rounder with conditions.
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Ilike the sound of this. Thats what was missing last year:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/14/chicago-bears-offensive-line-starting-to-gel-minicamp-nate-davis/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=4&email=emailaddr
So far , no Oline injuries.
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So according to this, we have the 12th ranked WR corp in the NFL
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-wide-receiver-corps-ranked?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=11&email=emailaddr
While I love the ranking, injuries can kill the production.
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While I like this idea, I am not enamored with the price:
https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/06/12/a-bears-vikings-danielle-hunter-trade-isnt-as-crazy-as-you-might-think/
I'll wait for Dallas to comment.
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I dunno. I think there are plenty of teams where he could go. I just don't think Poles wants to give up draft capital for a 29 year old DE wanting a big long term deal.
But there isn't any doubt that he could really help the defense that looks like its short 2 legit pass rushers from being a pretty competent defense.
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the nfl is a small industry. Everybody knows everybody else. They all know what the Bears need. At some point I think he's going to have to pony up. y
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https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-invites-bears-wrs-tes-rbs-to-workout-in-florida/486926/?amp=1&_kit=1&_osource=taboola-recirc
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anyone use NFL + Premium?
trying to see if that's an alternative to Sunday Ticket.
Is it full game replays after the actual game is over?
It's sounding like it's mobile device only and can't be used with a TV. Not wanting to watch games on my iphone
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I'm bummed that this isn't on Directv, but bit the bullet when the Ticket was $100 off for Youtube. I am a "get off my lawn" type of tv watcher, streaming isn't my idea of fun. I better not have an issue (shakes hand at the clouds)!
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anyone use NFL + Premium?
trying to see if that's an alternative to Sunday Ticket.
Is it full game replays after the actual game is over?
It's sounding like it's mobile device only and can't be used with a TV. Not wanting to watch games on my iphone
I used NFL+ last year to watch the Bears games after they air. Usually the full broadcast version is up (the Sunday ones anyway) an hour or two after the game airs. And if you wait 24+ hours, you can watch the cut version (all snaps) in about 1/2 an hour or so.
For me its redzone all day, then the Bears game replay then the Sunday Night game. Football all day !
:D
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I used NFL+ last year to watch the Bears games after they air. Usually the full broadcast version is up (the Sunday ones anyway) an hour or two after the game airs. And if you wait 24+ hours, you can watch the cut version (all snaps) in about 1/2 an hour or so.
For me its redzone all day, then the Bears game replay then the Sunday Night game. Football all day !
:D
Thanks
Do you hook up your phone to your TV?
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I'm bummed that this isn't on Directv, but bit the bullet when the Ticket was $100 off for Youtube. I am a "get off my lawn" type of tv watcher, streaming isn't my idea of fun. I better not have an issue (shakes hand at the clouds)!
Yeah, I just got both TVs setup with YouTubeTv. I now just need to cancel DirecTV. But the YouTubeTV interface sucks and is slow to initialize. I guess I need to google how to to best use YouTubeTV.
I really like using (not paying for) DirecTV. It was easy to record. It was easy to rewind and slo-mo. I still got to figure out how to record on YouTubeTV's DVR which is in the cloud.
I've got a couple months to figure it out.
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You can cast it but I got a Roku- less wear and tear on the phone and its battery.
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Roku is one of the better ways to go. If you're expecting to maneuver quickly, you'll want to get the more expensive version, as they have faster processors. I've been streaming for years, I like having options with no contract's..
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You can have NFL + downloaded directly to the TV as an app.
Archive replays go all the way back to 2009 if you want to rewatch the Good Jay games or an actual playoff win that feels like ancient history.
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Just saw yesterday that DirecTV will have a Red Zone channel this fall…but not the one we are used to seeing…
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I actually preferred Siciliano over Hanson. But since I dumped DTV when I moved I get the Hanson version....
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Never seen the Hansen version…but people who have say Siciliano is much, much better…
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Roku is one of the better ways to go. If you're expecting to maneuver quickly, you'll want to get the more expensive version, as they have faster processors. I've been streaming for years, I like having options with no contract's..
Other than Netflix I haven't done too much streaming. Is Roku better than just using my Samsung Smart TV to access YouTubeTV content now that I've ditched DirecTV?
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I bought a Roku smart TV for the living room. I use a roku device for my bedroom.
The device seems a bit more reactive (e.g. responsive), but it is a seperate box instead of being integrated with the TV.
I would suggest if you get a Roku TV to not depend on any wireless and having a direct wire to the modem (my modem is right in my living room next to the TV) seems to work better. The Roku box (and can move it closer to the wireless point which is pretty far away) seems to have better wireless so is not as problematic with the dreaded "spinning circle".
My 2 cents anyway.....
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Other than Netflix I haven't done too much streaming. Is Roku better than just using my Samsung Smart TV to access YouTubeTV content now that I've ditched DirecTV?
All of my roku devices work decently. They for sure are not without glitches. I have roku tv's and roku devices, all work well, and are all wireless.. I like streaming much better than DirecTV. Once you get set up, check things out like Pluto. Pluto is free and has a ton of content..
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How do you record football games from any tv signal to USB thumbdrives ?
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Don't think its possible from a Roku unless you get a capture to a computer intermediary something. Or stream on the computer and capture that way. Been out of the game for that for awhile so there may be some better ways now....
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Don't think its possible from a Roku unless you get a capture to a computer intermediary something. Or stream on the computer and capture that way. Been out of the game for that for awhile so there may be some better ways now....
About to go on more experiments. It seems so obvious recording tv signals to USB thumb drives.
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You can buy an over the air DVR..
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YoutubeTV has a built in DVR ability.
That's what I miss the most about my DTV /Tivo combination. I could record the Bear game (with Ticket) and watch it (skipping commercials) after Redzone ended, while recording the Sunday night game. After finishing the Bears game, watch the Sunday night game, skipping commercials until I caught up to it live usually sometime in the 2nd half...
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You can buy an over the air DVR..
Already bought one.
Trouble is I am still on Spectrum cable and wondering if streaming gives me USB recording in whatever medium of those two.
It seems so fuucking obvious that there should be a recorder that you can plug into cable or streaming that allows you to record on USB thumbdrive.
Where is it and why isn't it here now ?
Actually we all know the reason ... they haven't figured out how to make a buck off of us yet.
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A little Kool Aid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05W1aT4m4sc
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I've seen several puff pieces. Second best linebackers int he league, one of the most improved teams in the NFL. I heard the same thing about the Cubs, and we all know how that's going.. I'm hopeful, but in a wait and see mode..
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Regardless of record, success to me would be that we have an offense that functions at a high level, Fields shows more growth, and we finish 3-3 in the division or better. I am not sold on the defense being ready, so wins aren't guaranteed. But if one side of the ball is fixed, then that prepares us for 2024.
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I agree, but I expect 4-2 and sweep MN. Outside of Hunter, Flores is working with chickenshit...
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I wish I were as optimistic. History tells me we would be very lucky to win 4 of 6 period. To get to 4-2 requires beating the Pack and we havent been good beating the Pack.
A start to that record would be beating the Pack at home in our first game. I am not ready to put a W on our record till the game is over. Furthermore, beating the Lions wont be a piece of cake either,
like it used to be.
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We havent beaten the Pack, because of Rogers. Does Love really put the fear of God in you? I am not too worried about him.
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I saw yesterday ESPN was showing a replay of Florida's bowl game so I thought I'ld watch some of Gervon Dexter.
Of course this was only one game but I was entirely unimpressed. At the snap he would stand straight up and get pushed back 2 yards. I didn't see him beat blocks. When he gets in space he is pretty quick but I left thinking this guys going to get blown into the stands by NFL linemen. I'll be curious to see what the coaches can do with him in camp.
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We havent beaten the Pack, because of Rogers. Does Love really put the fear of God in you? I am not too worried about him.
I get it. No love doesnt scare me, but the Packers are still the Packers. They sure arent going to roll over for anybody, especially the Bears.
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Part of me wants to say the Pack will struggle mightily. The other part of me remembers how lucky the Pack have been the last 30 years regarding QB's...
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I know a lot of Bears fans wanted Carter. I am personally glad we passed on him.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-news/jalen-carter-hit-with-a-second-lawsuit-ahead-of-nfl-training-camp/495148/?cid=sm_npd_rsn_chi_fb_mn&fbclid=IwAR1m6WDALETsUzI1GeKcDrVjsRSSusdiPLF5Y7u6d4pY0IcSNOujcdp_r8A
More lawsuits and drama from his fleeing the scene of that crash.
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As a full on passenger of the Carter train, I have no regrets now that we passed. Now if he becomes Aaron Donald II and a model citizen, I will amend what I just said. But current view, drafting Wright has less downside.
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Poles has done a sneaky smart thing, as whoever is under center next year should still benefit from this draft and he has the draft firepower in next year's draft. He's kept his options open in case Fields does not work out. Best case scenario is he's THE guy and they can draft more talent for the team. Worst case scenario is he parlays that draft capital into a QB of HIS own choosing.
Now whether the Bears can actually pick good talent remains to be seen, but the table is set for sure.....
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Finally training camp starts soon. The pundits and podcasters have run out of things to talk about.
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Yeah. Just watched the Madden 24 and laughed my butt off. No DJ Moore is not anywhere in the top 20 WRs. Why? Simply who his QB is.
IMHO Moore is going to explode this year.
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I just wish the NFC NORTH knew what is in store for them.
I don't want them killed or injured by BEARS players.
That would be wrong.
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For all those Bear fans who honestly believe the Bears will get 6 wins in the division this year this will be kind of down heartening or violent disagreement:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-lets-find-some-value-by-fading-division-favorites-142608091.html
While I dont claim to be a soothsayer I see more credibility here except for the extreme Packer love expressed. OTOH Bears beware, "It aint over till the fat lady sings"
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We've all been Charlie Brown and the Bears Lucy often enough to be careful when kicking the ball.....
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-ranks-bears-bottom-half-194552172.html
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What does it feel like when for the first time in over thirty years your favorite team pulls its head out of its ass ?
Other teams are not acknowledging it yet but there's a fear factor developing that they don't like about Halas Hall.
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Training camp opens Wednesday without Claypool. The vibes I hear here coming from Jackie is we are going to the Superbpwl this year, like 85. I dont think so.
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Claypool is the albatross around Pole's neck right now as far as personnel decisions he's made.....
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Everybody seems to think this year's success rests on Fields.
It really is on the coaches. Last year the coaches did a great job of getting a pretty weak team talent wise to play over their heads and stay in most games with minimal mental mistakes. This year they have shored up the talent. Now they have to get these guys in sync playing well together. Fields needs to sync with Moor and Claypool, two very different kinds of receivers. Claypool needs the ball out fast downfield where he can use his speed, size and athleticism , something Fields was not comfortable with doing with the lesser talented receivers they had. Moore is more the route runner.
It's the same with linebackers, OL and DB's getting used to playing together.
The Bears won't be nearly as good this year as next year once they have some continuity under their belt. Also not as good next year as two down the road when next years two first rounders have some experience.
BTW Claypool is off the PUP list cleared to practice Wed.
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Good about Claypool. The last thing we need is something to make an excuse over.
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Good point on the real pressure is on the coaches this year. Not been too impressed with Williams or most of the other coaches so far. Good coaching can be the force multiplier when talent is lacking. And last year not only was talent lacking but that force multiplier was too (except maybe for Getsy- who started out weak but got stronger a the season went on).....
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Outside of two DE's that we should pick with the first two first round picks next year the team looks complete.
2-15 is not out of the question this year, maybe more.
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If we go 2-15 this year we may seriously be considering a new QB in next years draft.
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I dont see 2-15. On paper this team is better than 2-15.
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I think he was joking..
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If he was it was a bad joke
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The question for us is who's pick will be first? Ours or Carolina's? I am really hoping for a Carolina horrible season. Let;s hope they are 0-17.
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That being said I think our Defense is going to really hurt us this year. I hope we see amazing improvement in the offense. If we start losing shootouts 45-40 or 30-27 and have a bad record then I will not be upset in the least. Two high draft picks would be awesome. You could trade one down for more next year and nab who you want or you have ammo to move up and take who you want. Or stay put with both and take who you want. Flexibility. The wins should come next year if we make strides with the offense and use next year to fix the defense I would be happy.
Now if both sides of the ball suck ass this year that is another story. I just aint expecting much out of this team but if they surprise me I will not be mad. Just hope Carolina sucks big time either way.
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This is the first year in years that I want to see things play out.
Not some fuuckin distracted oh yes lets do this or lets pursue that but totally lets build the biggest piggy bank and then use our first round pick to clean up on draft picks and free agents that for the first time in decades don't look like both have been patchworked together by two different offices in Halas Hall.
Now I want to see games played ... 1- 16 is more then attainable ... call it a gut feeling ... ;D
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Cole Kmet just got paid bigtime.
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The Bears are keeping around one of their top offensive contributors.
Chicago and tight end Cole Kmet have agreed to a four-year contract extension worth $50 million with $32.8 million guaranteed, according to ESPN.
The deal also includes $20 million in new first-year cash.
A second-round pick in the 2020 draft, Kmet has started every game for Chicago in the last two seasons. In 2022, he caught 50 passes for 544 yards with a team-leading seven touchdowns. He was on the field for 94 percent of Chicago’s offensive snaps.
He’ll now continue to be a key weapon as the Bears look to further Justin Fields’ development in 2023 and beyond.
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That seems like a ton of cash for a guy who has potential but has not been a game changer. I hope he lives up to the contract.
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The question for us is who's pick will be first? Ours or Carolina's? I am really hoping for a Carolina horrible season. Let;s hope they are 0-17.
This is not a joke, but if Carolina does start crew of QBs, they could end up 0-17. I didnt realize how bad their quarterbacking was till I read an article.
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Truly Best case scenario- Bears have the #1 overall and #32 overall draft picks next year :D
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Truly Best case scenario- Bears have the #1 overall and #32 overall draft picks next year :D
In an ironic twist, that also happens to be the worst case scenario.
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That would be so Bears-like :D
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https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-news/chase-claypool-feels-embedded-more-like-himself-in-the-offense-team/497438/
Sure sounds good
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/26/yannick-ngakoue-interest-signing-with-chicago-bears/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=3&email=emailaddr
We have talked about this happening for months. Training camps are open and still no edge rusher signed
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I thing the edge rushers available are marginally better than what we have but aren't dangerous guys.
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I have need of some Bears football. So 1st preseason game is two weeks from tomorrow. I am ready for some football.
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First regular season game is important as heck. Division game, plus the next two are on the road with one being Kansas City. We do come back home to Denver. Our D could just absolutely suck.
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Its teed up to be good. Whether they pull a Charlie Brown or not remains to be seen.......
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It will really suck if they lose to the Packers week one.
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Absolutely agree
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They very well may! I think Love will come out on fire at first. Then the league will figure him out and the interceptions will come in droves.
I hate we play the Packers the first game. I would have much preferred to play them after we get some tape on him in their offense.
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Just like going against any QB in the NFL - you need a good pass rush to make them ineffective.
Against the Pack, I'd make sure to stop Aaron Jones and make Jordan Love pick up 3rd and longs.
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Remember, the Packers record wasn't all that great with Rogers. I think that first game will set the tone for the season.. I would love for them to beat the Pack, and then beat the Buc's on the road. Then come home and beat Denver and start the season 3 and 1... They may not just lose to Kansas City, they could easily get thrashed...
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Apparently the surprise players in camp are UDFA D’Anthony Jones and CB Smih, a later round pick.
Jones had one of the highest win percentage as a pass rusher in all college football and Smith is challenging rookie Tarique Stevenson to replace Vildor.
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Biggs mentioned DL/OLB Terrell Lewis (15:40 (https://www.audacy.com/podcast/mully-haugh-show-4bf26/episodes/brad-biggs-doesnt-see-jonathan-taylor-with-the-bears-5ed23?action=AUTOPLAY_FULL&actionContentId=201-185ca469-e7e1-47aa-a9fd-68313b2c1f72)) among the other in house evaluations to be made with pads before the Bears go outside for a pass rusher. My guess is even though he is old, the Bears would prefer to sign Houston to a one year deal than give a multi year deal to one dimensional Ngakoue. Frankly, I would give a Ngakoue the 2 or 3 year deal and let the new big guys inside handle the run.
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Today first day of practice in pads.
One of the guys on the CHGO podcast said Claypool has been the best player 4 out if the 5 days.
Venus Jones was doing pretty good until today he dropped 3 passes.
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Tyler Scott is getting some mentions along with Jaquan Brisker.
Mark me down as not worried about Fields at all. While there are some plays he would want back, I'm pretty certain he is being instructed to not run, which is like tying one hand behind your back. That is a gift that is being kept in the bottle. Forcing him to stay back and pass should continue to improve his timing and accuracy.
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Claypool is very motivated to do well, he wants that next contract.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/7-bears-stood-first-padded-185845911.html
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https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-training-camp-report-justin-fields-offense-show-good-bad-in-pads/498592/
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twitter link (https://twitter.com/i/lists/1623005342811447296) with real time TC updates
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I just can't get too excited about all the glowing reports coming out of camp. I'll get a better idea when we get to watch some of the PS games but even those performances must be taken with a grain of salt.
As long as there are no serious injuries and no one is absolutely looking like horseshit then I'm pleased.
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There's nothing else to talk about right now..
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I'm in wait and see mode but it is better than hearing that the offense/defense is playing bad, so there is that....
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I'm wait and see. When I was reading that first article that was my thought... We'll see...
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-woman-knocked-attacker-blames-city-slow-police-response-ourselves
This is what you get when you vote [D]
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There's nothing else to talk about right now..
Yeah all other sports suck right now, unless you’re into the Megan Rapino farewell tour.
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Well, I don't know about that. The Cubs have finally come to life.. 3 back in the division..
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Barf!
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https://twitter.com/yannickngakoue/status/1687277761021276160?s=61&t=jK5QHHCvDmcUYopR6prllg
We have a new edge rusher. 1 year, 10.5 million
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No surprise. We've talked about it for months. Its just a one year deal.
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Interesting:
Marcedes Lewis isn’t done yet.
The veteran tight end is finalizing a deal to join the Bears, according to Tom Pelissero of NFL Media.
After 12 seasons with the Jaguars, Lewis, 39, spent the last five with Green Bay. He started every game last season, playing 41 percent of the Packers’ offensive snaps and 16 percent of special teams snaps. He caught just six passes for 66 yards but had two touchdowns.
A first-round pick in the 2006 draft, Lewis has appeared in 251 games with 221 starts. He’s caught 432 passes for 5,084 yards with 39 touchdowns.
He’ll join a Chicago club that includes Cole Kmet, Robert Tonyan, Jake Tonges, Stephen Carlson, Chase Allen, and Jared Pinkney at tight end.
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That sounds like desperation. How many do you need? My guess, maybe 3or 4. Usually there are 2 types, a pas catcher and a blocking type.
Just strange
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Perfect fit, excellent blocker, seamless transition with Getsy's scheme which will now have even more flexibility in 2 TE sets. Packer fans are not happy.
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He's the informant to spill all of the Packer's secrets
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That sounds like desperation. How many do you need? My guess, maybe 3or 4. Usually there are 2 types, a pas catcher and a blocking type.
Just strange
Desperation? Bears may not be impressed with the 3rd stringers - all are inexperienced journeyman free agent types. One of which may make the roster or at least PS.
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No surprise. We've talked about it for months. Its just a one year deal.
Yep. Everyone says he sucks against the run but he wasn't signed to stop the run. Bears have DEs that can play the run and Walker can slide inside on passing downs to generate more inside pass rush coupled with Jones or Dexter. Gipson, Robinson and whoever battle it out for the other DE spot.
Bears defense still needs pass rushers but they could be approaching mediocrity now which is an improvement over last year.
I'd like to see a legit backup safety signed - but the defense looks about set for the regular season.
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He's the informant to spill all of the Packer's secrets
Haha, thats funny
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How many games did the Lions win in their last 8 games last year?
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How many games did the Lions win in their last 8 games last year?
https://fbschedules.com/2022-detroit-lions-schedule/
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https://fbschedules.com/2022-detroit-lions-schedule/
Hmmmmmmm...
What I'm getting at is that what we should expect if the upgrades BEAR out as genuine upgrades will happen in the latter half of the season.
No fuuckin way am moi expectin 8.0 at the beginning of the season.
It's called gelling .
Not to be confused with Bill Cosby's Jello.
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Detroit is gonna Detroit, Cousins is gonna Cousins, and the cheese turds will always suck ass. Obviously the Bears aren't ready for prime time yet. But IMO this shitty division is up for grabs and the Bears have as good a chance as any to be this year's Jacksonville.
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All those teams have established veteran talent. Even though the Packers lost Rodgers their lineup is pretty solid on both sides. But it might not matter if Love doesn't produce. Vikings did lose Cook. Lions finished 2022 on fire.
Bears are all about potential. They might look good on paper but I'm not entirely sold on the pass blocking, pass rush and of course whether #1 can live up to the offseason hype he's generated. I've read somewhere where he's one of the top vote getters for MVP.
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Looks like CB Josh Blackwell is much improved in camp after being a pleasant surprise last year. The draft pick Smith also pressing Stevenson for starting CB.
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I think Blackwell makes the 53 man. He had some good plays but just didn't get in too many games. And he just might be the fastest guy on the team. I am sure we'll see plenty of him and the 2 rook corners Saturday.
The CB on the outside is Kindle Vildor - everybody gets at least one article written about being a surprise of training camp - zilch on Vildor. Not a Poles guy.
The other guy that could be the odd man out is #99 Gipson. He's in his 4th year - contract! He's not a Poles pick either. Bears have added 3 Poles' free agents at DE. Could come down to Gipson vs Robinson. And Robinson is younger and a Poles draft pick. If Gipson had a 2022 like he did in 2021 - he'd be on a new deal.
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BEARRSSE are holding two aces under the table ... the two picks in the first round.
Should be two DEFENSIVE ENDS.
The next pick after that should be a CENTER.
After that what are the needs we don't already have ?
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Needs to pick good players, of course ! :D
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BEARRSSE are holding two aces under the table ... the two picks in the first round.
Should be two DEFENSIVE ENDS.
The next pick after that should be a CENTER.
After that what are the needs we don't already have ?
Things change. Bears might be drafting a pair of DEs or trading up for a QB for all we know. And we are NOT starting up a 2024 draft thread.
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BPA, BPA, BPA
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BEARRSSE are holding two aces under the table ... the two picks in the first round.
Should be two DEFENSIVE ENDS.
The next pick after that should be a CENTER.
After that what are the needs we don't already have ?
We need to see how the season goes before deciding what we should do with draft picks for next year
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Things change. Bears might be drafting a pair of DEs or trading up for a QB for all we know. And we are NOT starting up a 2024 draft thread.
Or they might be drafting a OLT. Its.too early to judge what we need or what superior player is available where we are positioned to draft.
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Concerns (sounds better than worries):
Both starting tackles - Jones surprised but he still was inconsistent and Darnell Wright is still a rookie.
Pass rush - Hopes are on Dexter on the inside (Billings is a run stopper and Jones is a JAG). Walker sliding inside might help provide more middle pressure and that leaves DE Ngakoue coupled with the same DEs from last year plus some more new name JAGs. Ngakoue does provide a much needed boost to the pass rush.
Tackle depth - Larry Borom and Aviante Collins. Its hard to find quality backups at tackle.
Safety depth - Elijah Hicks and who else.
QB - Way too much hype for Fields. Way too much pressure.
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All I've heard on the tackles is Jones still having problems with the bull rush and Wright was having problems with Gipson one day.
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I'm in the here and now I predict the future as well as the rest of you.
100% failure rate because it hasn't happened yet.
What I do know is what info I find out and when every media source sez we suck at DEFENSIVE END ... well its kind of a clue.
As for CENTER ... I'm only hearin what the press is sayin baby.
What are you hearing ?
Are we great at D.E. and CENTER ?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wait for time to pass JJ. Give your mind a break. It needs it.
Just for grins and giggles JJ, but do you sleep well or do you jump out of bed at 3am screaming The Bears need a DE, the Bears need a DE, why do we have to wait so long?
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OL reportedly looking really bad. Don’t need a repeat of last year.
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IMHO The pressure is really on the coaching staff. They appear to have enough talent to compete and last year they at least made a stab at being competitive (they earned that 1st overall draft pick, although Lovie did help a little :D) .
They can be the force multiplier that can elevate the players and I'm not sold on the staff doing that yet.
When the rubber hits the road and the games count, the picture will become clearer indeed......
Four weeks until we begin to see how it will all shake out. Go Bears !
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OL reportedly looking really bad. Don’t need a repeat of last year.
And the flip side is the DL must be looking really good. :)
Not worried about the interior line once Nate Davis returns but I'll have my eye on the tackles.
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Um, IF Nate Davis returns. How many practices has he had, 2?
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IF it was serious Eberflus would detail the injury when its minor he doesn't disclose.
Davis is a pro and provided the injury isn't serious probably just needs a couple weeks to be ready to go. This also gives the Bears a chance to evaluate the backups.
But yeah, he needs to come back soon so he can get some work in with the other starters.
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Wait for time to pass JJ. Give your mind a break. It needs it.
Just for grins and giggles JJ, but do you sleep well or do you jump out of bed at 3am screaming The Bears need a DE, the Bears need a DE, why do we have to wait so long?
You love me and you know it.
We could be talkin football.
You talk about me.
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I take it by your reply that you most certainly have a 3 am problem that needs medical attention.
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I take it by your reply that you most certainly have a 3 am problem that needs medical attention.
I think JJ is on the west coast - so it might be a 1am problem.
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Back to football !
TD DJ MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRE !!
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TD HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERBERT !!!
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Fields dumping the ball off to Herbert after escaping pressure instead of running it himself is a really good early sign.
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FIELDS 3/3 129 yards 2 TOUCHDOWNS
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Would have liked to have seen some downfield throws.
Maybe next week.
Gipson playing for his career. Stevenson looks the real deal.
Rookie DL not penetrating.
Venus Jones let’s 2 punts drop in front of him.
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I'm still trying to recover from Fields numbers.
Where do you go from up ?
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Higher and higher
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Random thoughts from the game:
- where was Brisker?
- Eddie Jackson still can't tackle
- Kyler Gordon can - he brings it
- Velus Jones fumble was more a bad decision than ball security (he's trying to hard) and he will get crucified by fans and media
- More impressed with Peterman and Bagent than PJ Walker
- Fields threw 2 screen passes and a ball to the FB (stop the presses) - the pass to Hebert showcased his scrambling but there was nothing down the field
- starting OTs did OK and Whitehair didn't snap the ball over anybody's head - not many running holes though
- More impressed with the backup DEs (Gipson and Terrell Smith especially and D'Anthony Jones and Jalen Harris over 'starters' Dominique Robinson and Rasheem Green)
- Tyrique Stevenson did not look like a rookie
- where was rookie CB Terrell Smith?
- Jaylon Jones was a kick off deamon
- looks like Bears have lots of depth at corner - I don't see Vildor making the 53 man
- pass defense was playing a lot of loosey goosey zone - Titans were often running wide open in the secondary
- the running back who impressed me most was Travis Horner - quick between the tackles
- Santos hit everything but I still hold my breath on his extra points - he just nailed that 50 yarder thru the middle
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Bagent was playing against the bottom of the Titans roster, but it seems like he has good pocket presence. Good "face", in baseball lingo.
I think they need to get Velus off of punts. Keep him on kickoffs and get him 3-4 touches per game on offense.
The current batch of DTs is going to require more attention from the opposition than last year's motley crew, which should open things up for an already much improved group of DEs.
It's HOMER, not Horner.
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Seemed like there were three guys in the backfield every time Roshon Johnson got the ball.
He did show a good burst though when given a chance.
Terrell Smith was hurt last week so didn't play.
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Watched the whole game today. This is the first year in quite awhile that I had the thought some of the guys that get cut after preseason are going to go on and play for another team.
Dallas you said the rookie DT's did not create any pressure. Pickens sack today was awesome. It was one of those flatten the QB sacks that changes the momentum of a game.
I think Venus Jones Jr. is on the outside looking in on making the team. He really needs to step up.
Green and Dom Rob are not "starters". They literally are 2nd stringers. We are looking better off at DE than the experts realize. I think the fan base is going to be pleasantly surprised this year.
First series on defense was not great however everything after that was much better. Not putting too much stock in performance but will say I think we are definitely going to be in the division race till the end of season.
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hiber
I did not comment on the play of the DTs - just the DEs. DT play was OK. Rookie Bell also recorded a sack.
Green and Robinson both started the game but I know that Walker and Ngakoue are probably the real starters. But the fact remains that the Bears probably ranked Green and Robinson as 2nd teamers and the rest of the guys 3rd and 4th string. There are at least 8 DEs on this time right now = how many can they keep?
I don't think there were any injuries - Dexter gave us all a scare when Gipson barrelled into his knee.
Quite a few starters out on defense - the 2 DEs, Edmunds and Brisker. Lots of DBs to sift thru.
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Blacked out here, since it was Titans…NFLN replaying it Tuesday late night…set to record…
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I just watched the recording. It gives me hope for the future of the Bears.
Fields looks quicker in his decision making but then it was only 3 passes although all three were completed (although short passes) and 2 went for TD's.
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The good, the bad, the ugly.
The Good:
1. The talent level on the roster appears much better this year. It is a good feeling to see some guys who were starters last year are now 2nd string and having to fight for a job. Competition is good.
2. Fields looked good and the starting Oline did not look like trash.
3. This team seems much faster this year.
4. Defensive guys were flying around everywhere, getting in the backfield and hitting.
5. The defense was causing turnovers (despite the official calls).
6. Santos nailed all his kicks (including those pesky extra points that he had problems with last year).
7. As far as I can tell, there were no serious injuries.
The Bad:
1. PJ Walker. After that INT You could almost hear DJ Moore on the sideline roll his eyes and say (in his head of course) "Yeah. I know THAT guy". Still surprised they signed him.
2. The defense was on skates the whole 1st drive. (They tightened it up but it was not a good look).
3. The deep passing game was in deep sleep. Maybe they just wanted to work on the short stuff ?
The Ugly:
1. The officiating. When the hell will the Bears get the benefit from home field ? They have more flags picked up that would help them than any team it seems and rarely get the close calls.
All in all, an entertaining preseason game with a satisfying conclusion. On to the Colts !
Go Bears....
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So, interesting day in Nashville. Directv is in a battle with Nexstar which bans the ABC affiliatee which the game was showing on. NFLN announces that both Chicago and Nashville will be blacked out, in Nashville because it was showing on ABC. We had a bad storm roll in while I was on NFLN before kickoff.
It knocked out the satellite feed and started streaming. That bit of luck allowed me to see the first half because it was streaming.
I went to record the 2nd half, and it said I couldn't record on streaming. Turned off the set, then turned it back on. Connected again to the satellite signal, and I was blacked out! So I didn't see the 2nd half. Will record i on Tuesday I guess.
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Blacked out here, since it was Titans…NFLN replaying it Tuesday late night…set to record…
Always subscribe to NFL+ for the preseason games. Then cancel when it's over. Quick $6.
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I watched NFL+ on my Roku Friday and it was rough until things settled down (I think part of it has to do with the way they have to filter out commercials). After a few crashes, it was stable again and I could swap between games currently on which is always a plus.
I also use it to watch Bears games in replay since I watch redzone all day. If they lose, its the condensed version (a lot of that last year), otherwise the full broadcast. Think its price went up to $99 for the season until next pre-season (got it for $69 last year as a promotional). I also used it in the past offseason to re-watch the Bears games (had to watch the Patriots game more than once :D)
Its still the wild-west as far as streaming goes it seems, and you can find live games online during the season if you look hard enough and are willing to risk getting your computer infected :D
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I signed up for YouTube TV (and the new home of the NFL ticket), but I haven't yet cancelled DirecTV.
I recorded the game on boty.
Watched the game on YouTube TV NFL network and I guess I'm going to have to get used to no slo-mo and fast forwarding and backward at 15 second intervals. Its OK and will now cancel DirecTV, but DirecTv is so much better.
Any hints on what I need to do to improve watching via streaming? I've always loved to slo-mo the play and just watch a particular lineman or 2 and just zip through the between play commentary.
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According to PFF Doug Kramer allowed no pressures and the entire line only allowed 3.
I’ll have to watch some again because it didn’t look like such smooth sailing to me. The run blocking was lacking but they showed ability to block the perimeter on those screens.
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I have not used Youtube TV, unfortunately and yeah not being able to FF with the Tivo like I had with DirectV kind of sucks. I don't have any DVR capabilities now. I used to record a bunch of stuff and fast forward through parts that didnt interest me and commercials etc.
If you are using a TV/computer, direct wire into the modem works better for streaming if you are some way away from your hotpoint. This also works better for gaming high intensity games (FPS shooters etc). My main TV is adjacent to the router so I have it direct wired in, but my others are WiFi and can sometimes be spotty.
One thing I noticed is that I chat with a few friend during the games. They watch cable/local air games and the streaming in like 30-40 seconds behind what they are seeing. So sometimes they tell me things before I get to see them. C'est le vie !
Go Bears !
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Watched the game yesterday and Stevenson was great, I can see why we traded up to get him. If ANYTHING happens to Fields, and Walker needs to ever enter a game, we are sunk. He was putrid. He made the other two guys look good actually.
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Defense didn't look to hot that first drive and that was without Tannehill and Derrick Henry. Granted Bears were without starting DEs, Edmunds, Brisker and Jaylon Johnson and I'm sure the defense was vanilla.
Maybe this weekend we can see Fields throw down field. Two screens and a pass to the FB didn't really show that he's taken the next step to be a top QB. But he did execute those plays.
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We won.
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Wins are not the top priority in preseason. But yeah everyone feels good...for a week.
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Watched a YouTube analysis of Darnell Wright’s game and he really played well. So did Carter surprisingly, I guess he’s developing pretty well. They made some mistakes on stunts but as they continue to get coached up will get better.
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You know if a tackle plays the entire game and gives up one sack then he's had a bad day.
I'm glad Wright did alright in limited number of snaps but more impressed that Carter graded out so high with as much time he played.
But having those 2 quick scoring drives really didn't give the Bears a chance to evaluate a lot of players. Except for DJ Moore - Wow!
So I guess the next game is the game the starters will play the most becuase typically the game before the season begins (which is now game 3) is backup city.
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This is funny. Horribly funny.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/366977027_304624715412066_3759807529706889457_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd63ad&_nc_ohc=Udi4l4ym90QAX-JehBw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCwZGHrL8m3TrG8HYRE5l_9ompMz4ndUVHbuUwEvuH7EQ&oe=64E0B46B)
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But someone finished it by saying there was still 39 seconds on the clock. Bears run a couple of plays, user their last time out, last play of the game, 4 seconds on the clock, ...and then all the haters watch as Justin Fields runs 61 yards to the house to ice it with no time left on the clock. As long as we are indulging in fantasy, THAT's my version of a perfect ending.
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I'll take that...and Hub will still be bitching that he should have stayed in the pocket to be a true franchise QB
Even if VJJ is flawless in punt returns the rest of the preseason, even if he houses one...I still would rather have Pettis at PR when it actually counts like week 1.
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With every feel-good preseason play, it makes it ever more imperative that they flip the narrative on GB in week 1 and not pull a Charlie Brown/Lucy stunt......
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40bK3Pc__TA
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JJ has turned into a great white shark* and follows a trail of blood to the NFC NORF for sustenance ...
Packers
Lions
Vikings
Yummmmmm !
*It's one of the benefits of being me.
Why , you mean you can't do that ?
Bummer
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I get the impression that these practice games arent going to show much Bear offense and Fields isnt going to play either.
They dont want to show the Pack their game plans. It will be very vanilla Saturday versus da Colts or Bills the following week.
So dont fret. Accept it and move forward
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The good part is players giving all out effort to make the team or not be a third stringer.
Like Gipson last week. He knew his asss was on the line and stepped up.
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Looks like we got rid of this guy just in time. Good job Poles.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/18/former-bears-defensive-end-robert-quinn-arrested-in-south-carolina/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=4&email=emailaddr
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Quinn was good for his time with us but you could see the fade starting little by little.
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Per Biggs, Jenkins out possibly 6 weeks with leg injury...
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Son of a B.
6 weeks could mean he's out 3 or 4 games. Depends on the injury. Calf? Knee? Broken foot?
A couple weeks ago Eberflus was quoted as not being too concerned about the injury. Apparently didn't get better.
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They haven’t disclosed much on any of these long term injuries.
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Good grief! We dont need the injury bug to strike.
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Bears are deep at guard with 3 guys (or should have 3 guys): Patrick, Leatherwood and Carter and possibly Borom in a pinch.
I saw a recent Yahoo article projecting Bears letting Bagent and Travis Bell to the practice squad! Bears keep all 6 DE's.
I like this one better. It keeps Bagent and keeps Gipson over Green and Baskerville over Cole:
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-53-man-roster-prediction-122551935.html
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If they outsmart themselves and try to get Bagent on the PS, then they are drinking stupid water in Halas Hall. But that would be typical of them.....
What do they lose if they have to play Bagent because if Fields not being able to ? Nothing. Bupkis. Zip. The season is probably over if Fields misses any time anyway so you might as well put the kid out there and see how he does. Instead they will want to trot out the experienced "vet" who maybe can keep from losing a game or two. Flus being a defensive minded coach this is probably what would happen.....
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Last time I checked we had about 28 million in cap space.
Now we have about 16 million in cap space.
Anybody know where the money went ?
AND ...
Godddammit I like Jenkins ... but not again injured !
This fuucks up my schedule for two D.E.'s with the first two picks in the first round.
Should Halas Hall scouts do a deeper investigation into medical records of potential draft picks in the future ?
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If they outsmart themselves and try to get Bagent on the PS, then they are drinking stupid water in Halas Hall. But that would be typical of them.....
What do they lose if they have to play Bagent because if Fields not being able to ? Nothing. Bupkis. Zip. The season is probably over if Fields misses any time anyway so you might as well put the kid out there and see how he does. Instead they will want to trot out the experienced "vet" who maybe can keep from losing a game or two. Flus being a defensive minded coach this is probably what would happen.....
The thinking in keeping an experienced vet is if Fields gets knocked out of a game and Walker (or Peterman) can walk in cold without practice reps and use their experience to move the ball. I know we're all impressed with Bagent, but a couple preaseason games against defenders that aren't going to play on Sunday isn't enough for me to annoint him to #2.
However, he's shown enough with his skills that he DEFINITELY makes the team. Bears might try to sneak him on the PS but I believe the rules say that if a claim is made the owning team has the right to move the player to the 53 man. Might have to move a Gipson or other backup to the PS to save Badget.
It will be interesting to see how much time the backup QBs get next week. Peterman might be fighting for Walker's job.
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Heard that Jenkins has at least one calf strain. Its not minor but its not serious like a muscle tear.
And that takes over 6 weeks to heal? I guess I don't know what a calf strain is - I've had cramps.
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Patrick was practicing at C along side Whitehair at LG. I guess that means his spot is fairly safe with Getsy having his back. So I wonder when Patrick inevitably gets hurt again who takes over LG when Whitehair is back at C?
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The thinking in keeping an experienced vet is if Fields gets knocked out of a game and Walker (or Peterman) can walk in cold without practice reps and use their experience to move the ball. I know we're all impressed with Bagent, but a couple preaseason games against defenders that aren't going to play on Sunday isn't enough for me to annoint him to #2.
However, he's shown enough with his skills that he DEFINITELY makes the team. Bears might try to sneak him on the PS but I believe the rules say that if a claim is made the owning team has the right to move the player to the 53 man. Might have to move a Gipson or other backup to the PS to save Badget.
It will be interesting to see how much time the backup QBs get next week. Peterman might be fighting for Walker's job.
look your testicles are getting strangled. Bagent isnt like a Mahomes. Nobody is likely to steal him from us off the practice squad. And the world isnt going to come to the end even if Bagent were stolen off the
practice squad.
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I would rather keep a young QB who seems to have some potential than a veteran QB that has proven that he hasn't any.
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If the Bears think they are a playoff team, they should find out how much Carson Wentz wants.
If Walker/Peterman/Bageant are your options if Fields gets hurt and misses time, that’s not ideal.
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If they outsmart themselves and try to get Bagent on the PS, then they are drinking stupid water in Halas Hall. But that would be typical of them.....
What do they lose if they have to play Bagent because if Fields not being able to ? Nothing. Bupkis. Zip. The season is probably over if Fields misses any time anyway so you might as well put the kid out there and see how he does. Instead they will want to trot out the experienced "vet" who maybe can keep from losing a game or two. Flus being a defensive minded coach this is probably what would happen.....
Hoping that isn't the case, but I think a good sign was putting him in the rotation Saturday as the 2nd QB, and letting Peterson mop up. We shall see.
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Its just the Bears record of keeping good QBs (and even having one) is so sparse and rare in the modern era. Trauma of the Todd Collinses and Caleb Hanies and all the other drek trotted out under center who were kept around because they "knew the system" and were "veterans". Time to try something new instead of the same old, same old. But some things just will not/do not change :D
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Bagent > Purdy > Trey Lance
There. I said it.
;)
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Hahaha. Dreamer!!! No way Jose.
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look your testicles are getting strangled. Bagent isnt like a Mahomes. Nobody is likely to steal him from us off the practice squad. And the world isnt going to come to the end even if Bagent were stolen off the
practice squad.
My testicles are fine. Did you read my post stating that I'm not going GA-GA over Bagent's limited playing time against guys that won't be playing on Sunday?
But if you don't recognize the potential for talent then your the one with the tighty wighties.
I thought I read somewhere that the NFL allows you to protect 4 guys on the PS each week. I don't know how many games you can do that though - it may be only for 3 or 4 games.
Right now I'm more concerned with Fields - he's thrown what - 4 passes in the PS? I guess they don't want the Pack to have recent game film on him...I dunno.
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Ding Ding Ding. Absolutely correct on Fields. Dont want any current info on him for the Pack to see. Hush is the correct word to remember
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And equally important, At this point, a preseason injury to Fields would just about destroy the team for as long as it keeps him out.
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Clog up the running lanes, don't let him run past you, zone him out on the intermediate and deep routes and force him to dink and dunk you. Easy enough.
My guess is Fields and more of the starters play about a half in the next game as a dress rehearsal like last preseason. If Flus gets his way next year with 2 joint practices, even that may change.
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If the Bears think they are a playoff team, they should find out how much Carson Wentz wants.
If Walker/Peterman/Bageant are your options if Fields gets hurt and misses time, that’s not ideal.
Let me rephrase this, since no one really commented on it on way or the other…
Say we start 6-0…or 5-1, or even 4-2 for that matter…team looks great, defense is rocking, offense is electric, and we look like the North is ours for the taking…and Fields gets hurt and will miss a month or more.
Are we really turning the keys over to Walker or Bageant in this scenario, or do we want someone with a little more experience behind the wheel?
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Let me rephrase this, since no one really commented on it on way or the other…
Say we start 6-0…or 5-1, or even 4-2 for that matter…team looks great, defense is rocking, offense is electric, and we look like the North is ours for the taking…and Fields gets hurt and will miss a month or more.
Are we really turning the keys over to Walker or Bageant in this scenario, or do we want someone with a little more experience behind the wheel?
If Fields is lost for the season then you play Bagent. If for a game or two then Pederman (not Walker).
But I see your point, but do you think Wentz (I assume he's a FA) is wanting to sign on with a team where he has no chance of playing unless the starter is injured?
He might be waiting for an offer from a team that has already lost their starting QB for a considerable amount of time.
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I have no idea what Wentz’s mindset is, or if his phone has been ringing…or even what it would take to sign him at this point.
He’s unsigned right now. Would he take 1 year/5 million to be a backup at this point? I don’t know…
What I do know is that every game is important when you consider yourself a playoff contender. One game could mean the difference between a home playoff game and traveling to a hostile road destination.
Even if Fields only misses a game or two in any injury hypothetical, I’d prefer someone who gives us the best chance to win…assuming we think of ourselves that highly…
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Wentz had 27 TD’s to 7 pick’s with a 96 rating prior to the disaster playoff game.
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And Eberflus had a front row seat for it…
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Last time I checked we had about 28 million in cap space.
Now we have about 16 million in cap space.
Anybody know where the money went ?
AND ...
Godddammit I like Jenkins ... but not again injured !
This fuucks up my schedule for two D.E.'s with the first two picks in the first round.
Should Halas Hall scouts do a deeper investigation into medical records of potential draft picks in the future ?
Let me also rephrase this : Where'd the money go ?
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Wentz had 27 TD’s to 7 pick’s with a 96 rating prior to the disaster playoff game.
Yeah, that was 2021 with the Colts. Rating dropped from a 94 to an 80 with the Redskins last year primarily due to a big increase in picks. But he'd easily be one of the better backups in the league.
As I said, assuming the Bears have an interest, does a 30 year old Wentz want to go to a team with a young up and coming QB? And if he does, does Poles want to pay him what Wentz thinks he wants.
If Wentz hasn't signed with anyone by now, I'd bet he's waiting for a desparate team that has just lost their starting QB and Wentz would be an upgrade over the backup.
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The other top FA QBs are Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, so it may be smart for him to wait it out a bit.
Glancing at spotrac.com, it appears backup QB salaries average 3-5M yearly. Walker is making 2.7 or so. Trubisky and Tyrod Taylor are both in the 5.5 area. Taylor Heinicke makes 7 (assuming Ridder starts in ATL)…
1 year/8 million would make Wentz the highest paid clipboard holder in the league, if he wanted…
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I don't throw away what looks like a possible future (good) talent. Previous years, our vet backup QB's have mostly looked not so good. If they do, they muddy the water. They need to find a way to hang onto Bagent. Make a tough choice and make him the number 3...
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So you are saying that we should keep Bagent. Third string QBs arent kept on the 53. Thats the problem here. If you keep him on the 53 then you have to short some other position.
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Of course keeping Bagent on the 53 is a no brainer as most teams are keeping 3 QBs in light of the new emergency QB rule. The tough decision is whether or not keep Walker or eat the $2 mil if he pulls another Collins.
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I think the real question is who is #2? Walker or Peterman?
I know Walker has looked like sheet in the PS - BTW he'll get another chance Saturday and Peterman has looked serviceable but better.
Neither has done much over their career - they are what they are. But Walker has more recent starting experience and apparently is more mobile which is why he was brought here in the first place as a QB that was more similar to Fields.
Every year I make up my expected 53 man roster and every year I never get it right.
But I think its Fields - Walker - Bagent at QB. And I don't think Gipson makes the team.
If Poles goes by talent and not by contract then he'll release recent FA signees Walker and Green.
The guy I'm worried about going to the PS and getting snatched is the DT #73. We'll see.
And I'm thinking...do we really need a fullback Blasingame? I bet Roschon Johnson would love to get into the game even if he was playing FB. Neal Anderson played FB to Walter after he was drafted. And FYI Blasingame last year - no rushes - no catches - 1 target. Or Bears could lineup Carter at FB and save a roster spot.
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NFL network is reporting that Flus has said Fields will play against Beefalo on Saturday.
That being said, I am not in agreement that playing Fields is a good idea.
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If Bills play their starting defense pray Fields doesn’t get hurt.
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If Bills play their starting defense pray Fields doesn’t get hurt.
The good news - Von Miller should still be working his way back into shape. Bad news. They have a couple of decent DEs Greg Roussea and EJ Epensa and oh yeah, a guy that might be out for some revenge, Leonard Floyd.
Good test for Larry Borom.
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Looks like Velus Jones is making the team:
The Bears have made a pair of moves at receiver.
Chicago has placed Dante Pettis on injured reserve and waived receiver Joe Reed with an injury designation.
Pettis caught 19 passes for 245 yards with three touchdowns last year for Chicago, plus two carries for 37 yards. A 49ers second-round pick in 2018, Pettis has 71 career receptions for 984 yards with 12 TDs. He re-signed with the Bears in April.
Reed, a Chargers fifth-round pick in 2020, joined Chicago in January. He appeared in 11 games for Los Angeles as a rookie, averaging 20.7 yards on 21 kick returns.
The Bears will host the Bills on Saturday to conclude their preseason slate.
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https://www.chicitysports.com/nfl-news-pj-walker-cut-chicago-bears-news
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Cutting Leatherwood will cost over $4mil in dead cap space. There will probably be a move or 2 for OG/C in waivers.
I still think Gipson should be kept over Greene or even DRob who can probably be slipped into PS but his days may be numbered.
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https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/what-we-learned-about-justin-fields-tyson-bagent-bears-roster-in-preseason-loss-vs-bills/503455/
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Cutting Leatherwood will cost over $4mil in dead cap space. There will probably be a move or 2 for OG/C in waivers.
I still think Gipson should be kept over Greene or even DRob who can probably be slipped into PS but his days may be numbered.
Greene had a better game but not much. Robinson was even more inviisbile. And yes - no one would put a claim on Robinson to make their 53 man roster. You could easily stash him on the PS. Robinson and Gipson were both ranked near the absolute bottom of the NFL in PFF rankings.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/trevis-gipson-requests-traded-bears-174701130.html
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But Walker was horrid in training camp. Undrafted rookie Tyson Bagent had a more consistent camp, electrified during the Bears' second preseason game, and "created" a competition for the backup quarterback spot that the Bears didn't see coming.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-p-j-walker-alex-leatherwood-decisions-tell-us-something-valuable-about-gm-ryan-poles/503677/
This should have JJ worried, because his desire to take 2 DE s with our 2 #1's next draft could be in jeopardy if Fields doesnt visibly improve. Poles appears to be ready to change horses whenever. And the 2024 draft is going to have some very good QB talent to choose from.
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But Walker was horrid in training camp. Undrafted rookie Tyson Bagent had a more consistent camp, electrified during the Bears' second preseason game, and "created" a competition for the backup quarterback spot that the Bears didn't see coming.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-p-j-walker-alex-leatherwood-decisions-tell-us-something-valuable-about-gm-ryan-poles/503677/
This should have JJ worried, because his desire to take 2 DE s with our 2 #1's next draft could be in jeopardy if Fields doesnt visibly improve. Poles appears to be ready to change horses whenever. And the 2024 draft is going to have some very good QB talent to choose from.
I'm still thinking Fields' confidence is not where it should be...I guess we should wait and see what Fields does after a game before we talk about Bagent taking over and drafting the next franchise QB in 2024.
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D'Anthony Jones was waived. Hope he clears and gets stashed...
@AaronWilson_NFL (https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1696195314502259176)
D'Anthony Jones, being placed on waivers, per a league source, had a 23.3 percent pass rush win rate for #Bears in preseason, including double digit pressures, 3 1/2 sacks and multiple tackles for losses
11:17 AM · Aug 28, 2023
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I would say we need to evaluate Fields after the season is over and not do a jerk job.
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Our vaunted rebuilt OL has not played together. Nate Davis, MIA. Darnell Wright, hurt last game. Cody Whitehair, big club on his hand. Lucas Patrick, hurt also I think. Tevin Jenkins, hurt again, both calves strained. If I was Fields I wouldnt be super comfortable playing behind the scrubs, like last year when the poor guy got sacked 50+ times.
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P.J. Walker to Deeeeeeeeetroit or the Lions are idiots.
He walks with the playbook in his head and motor city needs QB's.
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Trevis Gipson did not have a good 2022 - but very few did on the Bears and if they did they weren't on the front 4. He's a Pace guy. He's in the last year of his deal.
Dominique Robinson had a worse year than Gipson. But he was a rookie with more upside. A Poles pick. And 3 years left on his deal.
I have not been impressed with Raheem Green but I think he is better against the run and can slide inside to provide pass rush when needed. I don't think Poles is going to bale on another FA since he released Walker already.
Having said that - I'd still keep Gipson and put Robinson on the PS. We know #91 is getting his snaps at DE. Walker (we think) can play some DT on passing downs. So Gipson could be part of a rotation with Green and Lewis.
But with 5 DEs on the roster will be hard pressed to put up stats he'll need to get his next contract. Hence the request to be traded.
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Thank goodness Poles traded a 6th to Miami for CG Dan Freeny.
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I just read Jenkins is in a walking boot. We might want to get some additional help on the IOL.
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Breaking Down New Bears’ OL Dan Feeney (https://www.dabearsblog.com/2023/breaking-down-new-bears-ol-dan-feeney)
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Yeah, Jenkins has a calf strain or calf strains that is mildly serious. They were projecting him being out 6 weeks, which could translate to the month of September.
Many our wondering why the Bears who have first dibs on waivers for the 1st 3 weeks of the season gave up a 6th rounder. Obviously, they liked him and maybe they had inside info that the Dolphins were either going to retain him or that another team was planning on making a trade. Perhaps that team was a better team than the Bears and their 6th rounder may not have been projected to be better than the Bears 6th rounder in 2024.
I hate giving up draft choices but 6th rounders are usually projects and Bears have a huge need for interior O-line depth.
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Is it THE CHICAGO BEARS OL ?
Or the Chicago Bears LOL line?
Jim Arthur was hired last year to be our strength & conditioning coach.
We had alot of injury's.
He is our strength & conditioning coach this year.
We have had alot of injury's and the season hasn't started yet.
Is this a trend ?
Is Rusty Jones still with Indy ?
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Peterman was released today as well…
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Peterman will be back on the PS. I doubt anyone wants to poach him.
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What position will Poles go after on the waiver wire?
Roster is pretty much set. Sounds like everybody's healthy except Jenkins.
Did Feeney take Kramer's spot? Is Kramer again getting stashed on IR? Are Bears keeping Patrick - I guess he's the starters against Green Bay?
Dylan Cole or Baskerville? Baskerville could probably survie on the PS but I like him. Gipson is probably toast.
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Hopefully Bell clears and gets stashed.
Jim Arthur was Rusty Jones right hand man all the way back to when he got hired after hamstring-gate. Yes Rusty is still at Indy and Ballard ain't letting him go.
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The cuts…
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My practice squad (16)
Peterman QB
Webster WR
Eiselen C/G
Carlson TE
Jones DE
Harris DE
Bell DT
Collins OT
Baskerville LB
Williamson S
Trahan S
Ojemudis CB
Stroman CB
Walker LB
Vildor CB
Diesch OT
Of course you know Poles will be signing other guys from other teams.
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The cuts…
I didnt see anything dangerous we lost.
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A weekend of a little college football.. Then the rubber hits the road!!!
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Associated Press
Bears' revamped defense has been hit hard by injuries in camp, preseason
GENE CHAMBERLAIN
Tue, August 29, 2023 at 8:18 PM EDT·3 min read
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Chicago Bears' Noah Sewell is carted off the field during the second half of an NFL preseason football game against the Buffalo Bills, Saturday, Aug. 26, 2023, in Chicago. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh) (ASSOCIATED PRESS)
LAKE FOREST, Ill. (AP) — The Chicago Bears have revamped their defense after finishing near the bottom of the league on that side of the ball last season.
Coach Matt Eberflus believes those efforts were successful, but he needs to see his defensive starters playing together — or even practicing together — first. Injuries have prevented Chicago's full first-team defense from taking the field since training camp began.
“Every year is different,” Eberflus said. “Sometimes you get certain types of injuries one year and sometimes you don’t. But you’re still dealt with the job to get guys ready to go. Everybody is fighting that through the course of the league, and we’re no different.”
The Bears on Tuesday waived two starters from a year ago, including one of their top pass rushers in Trevis Gipson. The defensive end had requested a trade just before the final preseason game.
Gipson, who had seven sacks in 2021, ultimately lost out in a roster battle to Dominique Robinson and Terrell Lewis behind starters Yannick Ngakoue and DeMarcus Walker and backup Rasheem Green.
Walker is among the players who have missed significant practice time. Ngakoue signed on Aug. 4 and didn't arrive in Chicago until several days later.
“Based on where they are right now, we like where they are and it is what it is right now,” Eberflus said. “So we gotta make sure we do a great job of ramping them up conditioning-wise and getting them ready to play for the first game.”
The Bears' biggest free-agent acquisition on defense, middle linebacker Tremaine Edmunds, has been dealing with an injury that the team has yet to detail. He finally played one series during Chicago's final preseason game.
The Bears were also without linebacker Jack Sanborn for part of camp. Both safeties, Eddie Jackson and Jaquan Brisker, missed the final two preseason games.
“I don't really have any doubts as far as whether we’re going to jell,” cornerback Kyler Gordon said. “I’ve seen each player do something special individually and add or contribute to this defense. I think a lot of people are curious about it but as a defense and for people who have been here in the building like I have, there’s not a lot of doubt about the players that we have. I feel good about it.”
The Bears have injury problems elsewhere. The offensive line was also revamped after allowing 58 sacks, but the group finished the preseason with only two starters.
Eberflus said the only injured player on either side of the ball who remains a question for the opener is left guard Teven Jenkins.
The Bears don’t reveal the nature of injuries sustained in practices during preseason.
“Everybody looks to be healthy right now,” Eberflus said. “Looks good. The one guy that’s still week to week is Teven. Again, we’ll work through that process as we go.”
On Monday, Chicago traded a sixth-round draft pick to Miami for guard Dan Feeney. Offensive linemen Lucas Patrick, Nate Davis and Darnell Wright have missed time with injuries, and Cody Whitehair suffered a hand injury but returned. The nature of Whitehair's injury forced the Bears to shift him from center to guard.
All the injuries have led to criticism of the Bears' training techniques. Eberflus believes in tough training camps and practices.
“I would say that we’re middle of the road in terms of injury,” Eberflus said. “We looked at the data in terms of the league this year. So we were right there where average was.”
NOTES
Cornerback Kindle Vildor was the other starter waived besides Gipson. ... The Bears waived veteran quarterback Nathan Peterman, making undrafted rookie Tyson Bagent the backup to Justin Fields. Bagent, from Division II Shepherd, led two touchdown drives in the preseason. The Bears had already released veteran backup P.J. Walker.
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So Gipson and Lewis are no longer on the Bears even though IMO they are better than Green and DRob. I don't get it.
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@TomPelissero
And now here's the first waiver claim: The #Bears have claimed DE Khalid Kareem off waivers from the #Colts, per source.
10:11 AM · Aug 30, 2023
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@TomPelissero
And now here's the first waiver claim: The #Bears have claimed DE Khalid Kareem off waivers from the #Colts, per source.
10:11 AM · Aug 30, 2023
Terrell Lewis was also waived. I assume that Kareem takes his spot and Lewis descends to the PS? Also Bears claimed a Rams DB.
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Bears signed punt returner Trent Taylor who led the league in returns over 20 yards last season.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-waive-terrell-lewis-150140353.html
Bears Wire
Bears waive DE Terrell Lewis
Alyssa Barbieri
Wed, August 30, 2023 at 11:01 AM EDT·2 min read
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The Chicago Bears set their initial 53-man roster on Tuesday, but we’re already seeing changes as they appear to be making room for incoming waiver claims.
The Bears have waived defensive end Terrell Lewis, according to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero.
Lewis, a former third-round pick in 2020, was a standout player during training camp and preseason. He made a strong case for a roster spot, which he earned as part of the initial 53-man roster.
Chicago has now waived Lewis and former fifth-round pick Trevis Gipson, who had strong preseasons as they competed for a roster spot. The Bears could be looking to add a waiver claim to join the likes of Yannick Ngakoue, DeMarcus Walker, Dominique Robinson and Rasheem Green in the defensive end room.
Last week, Lewis made it clear he expected to make the 53-man roster. Which, technically he did. But he also understood nothing was guaranteed heading into the Week 1 opener.
“I would be surprised but at the same time I know how the business goes,” Lewis said. “So that’s why I just continue to focus on what can I do and control day-in and day-out.
“Because at the end of the day, especially during the preseason, you’re not only playing for yourself and the organization you’re with, but you’re also playing for every other team in the league.”
Chicago has top waiver wire priority, where they’re expected to make some claims to shore up various positions on the roster.
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I guess I understand the claims so far, but I sure would feel better about a couple of IOL. Just saying.
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Roster Moves: Bears sign 11 players to practice squad (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/roster-moves-bears-sign-11-players-to-practice-squad)
LB Micah Baskerville
DL Travis Bell
FB Robert Burns
TE Stephen Carlson
OL Aviante Collins
LB DeMarquis Gates
DL Jalen Harris
OL Roy Mbaeteka
DB Greg Stroman Jr.
WR Nsimba Webster
DB Kendall Williamson
6 open spots left.
@Zack_Pearson
Open period of practice is done for #Bears media. The following players were not participating:
- Jaquan Brisker
- Dylan Cole
- Teven Jenkins
- Doug Kramer
12:37 PM · Aug 30, 2023
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Bears sign OG Bill Murray to PS
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He was funny in Stripes but I am not sure he can play OG...
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Roster Moves: Bears sign 11 players to practice squad (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/roster-moves-bears-sign-11-players-to-practice-squad)
LB Micah Baskerville
DL Travis Bell
FB Robert Burns
TE Stephen Carlson
OL Aviante Collins
LB DeMarquis Gates
DL Jalen Harris
OL Roy Mbaeteka
DB Greg Stroman Jr.
WR Nsimba Webster
DB Kendall Williamson
6 open spots left.
@Zack_Pearson
Open period of practice is done for #Bears media. The following players were not participating:
- Jaquan Brisker
- Dylan Cole
- Teven Jenkins
- Doug Kramer
12:37 PM · Aug 30, 2023
No QB (Peterman). No Eiselen. No Ojemudia. No Trahan. No D'Anthony Jones. No Terrell Lewis.
Now we know why Feeney was signed. Kramer is still banged up. And Bears signed a safety Quindell Johnson for depth since Brisker is still nursing whatever he has.
The punt returner Taylor was around 10th in the NFL last year - he had 2 fumbles but he returned a lot of punts. 10 yard average.
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Apparently everyone but Jenkins practiced today.
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He was funny in Stripes but I am not sure he can play OG...
Belushi actually played OL in high school, maybe we can sign him.
I hear he's lost weight tho.
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Roster Moves: Bears sign Peterman and Taylor, add four to practice squad, place Jenkins and Kramer on IR (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/roster-moves-bears-sign-peterman-and-taylor-add-four-to-practice-squad-place-jen)
2 spots left on PS
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Poles is a mad scientist with the roster.
Kramer to IR explains the Feeney signing. They did this to Kramer last season.
If Whitehair's hand improves in the next week he could move back to center which opens up Carter/Feeney/Patrick at LG. Otherwise its Patrick and Feeney competing for the center spot - obviously with an edge to Patrick.
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Hoge and Jahns said Whitehairs snaps at center were not the best. Feeney might get the job and keep it.
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Hoge and Jahns said Whitehairs snaps at center were not the best. Feeney might get the job and keep it.
Meaning he got his cast off and practiced? or his snaps before the injury were not good
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His snaps sucked last time we put him at center.
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His snaps sucked last time we put him at center.
Whitehair played center for the Bears from 2016 to 2020. If he was that bad at center would he have played there so long. I do recall him launching a few bad snaps one year but he played a lot of center before moving to LG and being replaced by Mustipher.
I still think that Whitehair could be the starter at center against the Pack, but I have no information to support this. I have no idea what Eberflus is doing at LG and center - he seems to be evaluating it day by day.
Maybe Feeney is the LG or center or maybe Carter can learn LG.
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Hoge and Jahns said Whitehair had some shaky snaps this training camp. Before hand injury.
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Whitehair did play some center early in his career but the last few years he's been the LG during the Mustipher era.
He could have used the preseason/training camp to work on his snaps but with the Jenkins injury that goes out the window for at least a month.
Long term, at least for this year, the best lineup is with Cody at center, and Jenkins at LG. If our guards work out and Cody can't cut it Kramer looked pretty good in the PS. Nobody has seen Patrick at center in a Bears uni. He was OK at RG but sucked at LG last year.
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Is it THE CHICAGO BEARS OL ?
Or the Chicago Bears LOL line?
Jim Arthur was hired last year to be our strength & conditioning coach.
We had alot of injury's.
He is our strength & conditioning coach this year.
We have had alot of injury's and the season hasn't started yet.
Is this a trend ?
Is Rusty Jones still with Indy ?
What I posted in this post stands.
Nothings been disproved.
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Injuries always seem to be a issue with this team...
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Its the same pretty much with all teams. Packers are going to be without their starting CB Stokes and DE Rashaan Gary may be on a snap count while he recovers.
(1st rounder Lukas Van Ness fills in at DE and Rasul Douglass will prbably get the start at CB).
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Bears get chase young? Wk1 plug in?
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There's Chris Jones rumors. There's Chandler Jones rumors too. I haven't heard anything about Chase Young for a month or so.
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I sure hope not
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General advice - don't trade valuable draft capital for injured and/or bad football players.
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Sure seems like common sense don't it...
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What if this is one of those situations where it all comes together at the right time when everyone is back from injury's and we go on to surprise even ourselves with the level of intensity in the second half of the season ?
Could we handle it or just stare in disbelief ?
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What if this is one of those situations where it all comes together at the right time when everyone is back from injury's and we go on to surprise even ourselves with the level of intensity in the second half of the season ?
Could we handle it or just stare in disbelief ?
That MIGHT just be a sign of the End Times.... :D
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There's Chris Jones rumors. There's Chandler Jones rumors too. I haven't heard anything about Chase Young for a month or so.
That is probably because he has been out injured again.
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Day before the start of the 2023 season. Opener versus the Pack.
Bold Prediction Bears 31-Packers 19! Pack will have over 250 yards rushing, but will kick 4 field goals as they stall out in red zone.
TD's for Moore, Tonyan, Herbert and V. Jones.
Bears on the season 9-8. Wildcard playoff berth. Fields over 3300 yards passing and 800 yards rushing.
Let's Go Bears!!!!!!!
Packers suck, Packers suck, Packers suck!
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Knives sharpened ... hatchet blades honed ... bows restrung ... arrow shafts straightened ... spears balanced for throwing ...
Halas Hall ... before taking the field at Soldiers.
And you are there for the spectacle ...
it's time.
9-10-23
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Charlie Brown goes back to take the kick held by Lucy. He begins his forward run......
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I though I read that the always injured LBer Dylan Coles was released. They need another linebacker - primarily for special teams. Bears may scan the PSs or go with their PS guy Gates.
St. Brown and Velus Jones inactive. Not sure if Tonyan is active or they'll bring up Carlson.
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Let's focus on the Week 1 good news.
Panthers lost. Falcons won. Buccaneers won. Saints won.
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Start Bagent in Week 2? Discuss.
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Do you want to kill him?
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Bagent better be in the bullpen warming up the way Fields played today....and last year.... This does not look good for any kind of positive future for this team....
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I agree about Fields, awful!! He looked like he was still in his rookie year..
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I think the offensive line was a huge mismatch in the Packers favor. We were able to run a little, but pass protection was pretty poor the whole game. Love kept a clean jersey.
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I thought the pass protection would be better. But from my angle I can't tell if the receivers weren't open and Fields was again holding the ball or if Getsy was calling long developing plays.
Did you see how many catches the Packers had running in stride? Bears may have had 2 or 3. If you ever get a view of the receivers you see a lot of them runnng straight down the field and then just turning around and standing there looking at Fields. I think we saw one slant to DJ Moore.
Here's a thought - with a heavy pressure - maybe Getsy could have tried moving the pocket to buy more time? Instead it was drop straight back with the Packers knowing where Fields was going to setup and a spy to watch where Fields was going to go. They didn't stop Fields' running but they contained him - longest run 10 yards.
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I've said all offseason that the Bears will only go as far as Fields can take them. What did Fields throw in the PS? 6 passes? And I think 5 of those were screens or passes to the halfbacks.
Media sold a lot of clicks with all that nonsense about the new King of the North.
But in his defense - if he had the clean pocket that Love had all afternoon - things would have been different.
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This is what we waited all offseason for? Unbelievable I think Ive lived this nightmare before.
The Bears looked like a team that took training camp off with minor hurts. Certainly Nate Davis leads that conga line.
What’s with the soft zone coverage against their average receiving corps?
They have next week to get it together against a Bucs team that beat Minnesota.
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If you can't get there with 4 then send 5 - maybe a Brisker blitz or send Steveson. The front 4 wasn't getting there - and I'm not talking just about sacks. No pressure for the most part.
I'd also would have subbed in the 2 rooks more on passing downs. Whos afraid of big mouth Justin Jones and Billings on 3rd down?
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Offensively it was a plan out of Nagy 2.0.
Defensively was just the incompetent DC and his assistants doing what they "did" last year.
Bloom is off the rose. Last year it was *wink wink* play hard (and lose) to tank for the draft. This year it looks as if they still are playing to lose. Maybe it wasn't a plan after all- it is what it is.
A consolation is that the Giants HC (whom I thought would have been a good signing instead of Flues) got pantsed in their opener. It was not even close either.
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Can we start a bring in Deon Sanders as our next head coach thread? Too soon?
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For the record, Jalen Carter had more pressures than the entire Bears D in his debut..... ... .. .
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This is what we waited all offseason for? Unbelievable I think Ive lived this nightmare before.
The Bears looked like a team that took training camp off with minor hurts. Certainly Nate Davis leads that conga line.
What’s with the soft zone coverage against their average receiving corps?
They have next week to get it together against a Bucs team that beat Minnesota.
Absolutely correct
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Did I miss something last night or did my eyes play tricks on me, but didnt the pack pick on Stevenson often?
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I really don't think so. The big plays primarily in the middle of the field on long crossing routes against zones. I think our DBs could have stayed with the Packer receivers 1:1, but our DC likes zone.
Early on - maybe the Packers first drive. Jaylon Johnson is covering a receiver on a 3rd and 7. Totally gives him the inside route for an easy first down. I don't know if that was man or another zone but it was wide open with no inside help.
Jonathon Hoke - your not helping.
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The big plays primarily in the middle of the field on long crossing routes against zones. I think our DBs could have stayed with the Packer receivers 1:1, but our DC likes zone.
Yep, agree!!
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Wow, what a **** sandwich that was.
I have to admit, thought we would have been a bit better than what showed up yesterday.
I think the DC is a problem. Too soft of coverage, no pass rush (blitz's).
Offensive play calling sucked. Offensive line sucked real bad. I think the rookie RT got burned a bunch from what I saw. Center was a BIG problem on multiple plays. Jones kept getting called for holding. All and all F by the Oline.
Hard to say about Fields, I think he played the game that was called. I do not think they called a game to his strength.
Will say R. Johnson coming out after the game was pretty much over and trying to set a tone with some tough running. True leadership qualities coming out in him. Stephenson played pretty good game. I like when the team rallied around Fields when he got hit running out of bounds.
I really think the coaching sucked. I think the lack of preseason action was detrimental and I did not agree with how much the starters sat in preseason. NFL might as well add a regular season game or two and not even have preseason games.
Bears coaching staff got a lot of "fixing" to do for this next game.
I will be in Tampa and cheering for the Bears. If we look as bad as this past weekend....you might see a grown man cry. Lol.
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We used to say much the same things about the Lovie cover two, which they are again using.
It doesn’t work without a pass rush.
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At this point they might as well call it cover no one the way it flopped against the Pack.... still doesn't help that Jackson is back there....
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I said this last week - a lack of a pass rush wiill make any NFL QB look like a HOFer. These guys didn't make it to this level missing wide open receivers.
Eberflus likes traditional base DEs: Walker, Green, and the newly acquired Kareem.
Other than Ngakoue no one really looks active from the edge. Walker might be that guy but he often slides inside on passing downs.. Robinson continues his leading role as the invisible man from the preseason.
I saw Leonard Floyd tonight look pretty active. Maybe Bears need to give Terrell Lewis a call or at least activate Jalen Harris from the PS.
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Well, it was just about as bad a start as the Bears could make it. Let's see what they can do vs TB who beat the Vikes. I just do not see them pulling it all together in one week with all the missteps that happened this past Sunday. The Packers have the Bears number. They know their tendencies and their weaknesses and know how to exploit them, year after year. Bears are just too predictable. And I've got zero faith in Getsy. This guy's gotta go.....
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Just for fun:
When Fields had a clean pocket he was 16/22 133 yards with 3 dropped passes.
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Take the handcuffs off Fields and plan plays to his strength's , Claypool either blocks and catches passes or he holds the water bucket.
Nothings changed my mind about two DE's in the first. Maybe week two will.
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Watched the replay of Vikings Bucs and the Bucs defense was all over the Vikings.
If the Bears don’t play dramatically better it’s another loss.
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I am not doubting that as Cousins was hit 9 times. But he did end up throwing for over 300 yards and had a 102 rating. Sacked twice and one was from a safety. 2 TDs no picks.
But yeah, the Vikings run game was non-existent.
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When they play the Bears, it will probably be best running game they had all season. Alan. ****. Williams. has no clue.....
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Do you think this is Williams defense? Do you think Nagy runs the offense in KC?
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Williams makes the Defensive calls. Assume Flus has input into the gameplan. He's guilty as **** for the disaster as any as the scheme may be bad but the specific calls are Williams at gametime (don't recall Flus with a playsheet offhand).
Its a clusterfuck for sure. They are who we (suspected last year but got the benefit of the doubt) thought they were......
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The Bears have made a few roster moves at defensive back.
Chicago placed Kyler Gordon on injured reserve after he hurt his hand during the team’s season-opening loss to the Packers. He was on the field for 27 defensive snaps before the injury, recording a tackle and a pass defensed.
A second-round pick in 2022, Gordon started 14 games last year and recorded three interceptions, six passes defensed, a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery.
The Bears have signed cornerback Greg Stroman Jr. to the 53-man roster from the practice squad. And the club signed safety Macon Clark to the practice squad to fill Stroman’s spot. Both players were with Chicago through the offseason program and training camp.
Chicago will travel to play Tampa Bay in Week 2.
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The Bears play zone because they know the pass rush will not get there.
The Packers play zone because they don't want to turn their backs on Fields.
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The Bears need to play man with some zone. Change it up, disguise the coverage's..
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Hamp is right....Jackson is worthless....
Bears safety Eddie Jackson reacts to Dan Hampton calling him a ‘clown’
“If Eddie starts on Sunday, that tells me you must not be trying to win,” Hampton said.
By Patrick Finley Sept 14, 2023, 4:37pm EDT
Bears safety Eddie Jackson said he hadn’t heard what Dan Hampton said, then smiled when it was relayed to him.
“Shout out to Dan Hampton,” he said with a smile Thursday. “I dunno — if that’s his opinion, that’s his opinion.”
On his “Hamp and O’B” postgame show with Ed O’Bradovich on WGN, Hampton — the Pro Football Hall of Famer and outspoken analyst — said that Jackson “is playing like a clown” after “not tackling and blowing coverages in the end zone.”
“If Eddie starts on Sunday, that tells me you must not be trying to win,” Hampton said.
Hampton’s comments didn’t seem to bother Jackson.
“We gotta go out there and we’re gonna play,” Jackson said. “Like I said, just stay over there. You can talk bad, but when things are going good, stay on that side.”
Players being criticized on local radio is nothing new, but it’s not often it comes from a Hall of Famer. Hampton was irate after Sunday’s game, saying on his typically raucous show that the Bears “made a mockery out of (coach Matt) Eberflus’ so-called theory, the H.I.T.S. theory” and calling receiver Chase Claypool a “disgrace.”
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We need more people like Hampton to speak out.
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No sport in the world requires as much teamwork as does football, and no position in football requires as much teamwork as does the offensive line. And no quarterback can perform up to his abilities if he is consistantly hurried on every play, even one that is great at evading the rush.
The Bears personnel is vastly improved over last year. As composed, they have fairly competitive personnel, but even under the best of circumstances, they are not a superbowl quality team, nor probably a playoff quality team. But they do have the talent to win 8 or 9 games this year, and I expect them to approach that number as the season progresses.
Teamwork does not come quickly. As the OLine improves, so will their offense, and I expect a steady improvement in performance as the season wears on, even with normal attrition due to injuries. But they still need better personnel on both OLine and DLine before they can be seen as a playoff quality team.
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Something that keeps playing in the back of my head is what JT Osullivan said about Fields. He kept saying he is too slow in his drop back and setting his feet, which doesnt make sense for someone who is so athletically gifted. He raved about Bagents drop back and setting feet. I'm not sure the Oline getting fixed would help Fields and his footwork. Then there is the whole glossing over his progressions, just so he can get thru them. Dude, if your second or third read is WIDE open, take it, no need to go thru all of them. Unless he has a stellar game tom, I am slipping off the Fields bandwagon.
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I am attending the game tomorrow. So not looking forward to it. I cannot remember a time in my Chicago Bears fandom that I was this down on team. They really looked horrible last week. Serious questions about the coaches. It also has me thinking a much longer rebuild period than I originally anticipated.
Here is to hoping to be wowed tomorrow.
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Its really too bad there was no 7 month window to actually work on things between seasons so the Bears could actually get better......
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No sport in the world requires as much teamwork as does football, and no position in football requires as much teamwork as does the offensive line. And no quarterback can perform up to his abilities if he is consistantly hurried on every play, even one that is great at evading the rush.
The Bears personnel is vastly improved over last year. As composed, they have fairly competitive personnel, but even under the best of circumstances, they are not a superbowl quality team, nor probably a playoff quality team. But they do have the talent to win 8 or 9 games this year, and I expect them to approach that number as the season progresses.
Teamwork does not come quickly. As the OLine improves, so will their offense, and I expect a steady improvement in performance as the season wears on, even with normal attrition due to injuries. But they still need better personnel on both OLine and DLine before they can be seen as a playoff quality team.
I applaud your generous enthusiasm. Opening game last season we beat the niners. We just got thumped by a mediocre football team. Pretty much every facet of the game looked horrible. I hope that you are correct in your (wishful) thinking...
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Something that keeps playing in the back of my head is what JT Osullivan said about Fields. He kept saying he is too slow in his drop back and setting his feet, which doesnt make sense for someone who is so athletically gifted. He raved about Bagents drop back and setting feet. I'm not sure the Oline getting fixed would help Fields and his footwork. Then there is the whole glossing over his progressions, just so he can get thru them. Dude, if your second or third read is WIDE open, take it, no need to go thru all of them. Unless he has a stellar game tom, I am slipping off the Fields bandwagon.
I hear what your saying about the Fields bandwagon. No one, myself included, expected Fields to come out and look like the best QB in the league. As pointed out, the o line didn't help matters, but Fields looked really bad. I'm hopeful that this weekend we see a different player/team. It may be time to just let Fields do what he does best, run.. He gets hurt? adios..
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I am attending the game tomorrow. So not looking forward to it. I cannot remember a time in my Chicago Bears fandom that I was this down on team. They really looked horrible last week. Serious questions about the coaches. It also has me thinking a much longer rebuild period than I originally anticipated.
Here is to hoping to be wowed tomorrow.
Every year is a rebuilding year for the Bears. If they suck again this season, they'll be calling for a coaching change.. We'll start all over again..
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Did the Deeeeeeeeeeeeetroit Lions start the season at 1-6 last season ? Somebody refresh me.
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If we lose today we will be starting the season 0-3 for sure...
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Got to hope Chris Jones is on a pitch count.
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Well looks like another season just watching the games casually with no expectations.
Either they’ll figure it out as the season goes on or Poles will have to decide if it’s coaches, Fields or both that need to go. It doesn’t speak well for the coaches that Fields so far is regressing and that opposing players are saying they know when the Bears are running screens resulting in an easy pick six.
The only encouraging aspect is they now have a team president to evaluate and make decisions instead of the McCaskeys.
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I still fall back on Deeeeeeeeeeeetroits 1-6 start.
They did it after that.
Are we less then them ?
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Very disappointing. Lat season I started getting some interest back, Fields was fun to watch. It's a fukking drag right now. I thought we were supposed to have one of the best linebacker groups in the NFL. I try not to buy into the hype, but damn the defense has looked bad... I know they kept us in the game yesterday, but they continually give up chunks of yards, and seem to be terrible at defending 3rd and long.
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Fields is rarely leaving the pocket so far.
They can’t protect him so why not scheme to buy some time?
With your two starting guards out it’s a bad time to prove he can throw from the pocket.
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As usual Bears braintrust keeps trying to force a square peg in a round hole......
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I don’t get why he games in my area. Watching replay on the NFL channel it looks like it is mainly Fields holding onto the ball way too long. On one of the sacks I counted 7 seconds, most were at least 4. He needs to get the ball out and once hit’s 3 take off running.
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Well looks like another season just watching the games casually with no expectations.
Either they’ll figure it out as the season goes on or Poles will have to decide if it’s coaches, Fields or both that need to go. It doesn’t speak well for the coaches that Fields so far is regressing and that opposing players are saying they know when the Bears are running screens resulting in an easy pick six.
The only encouraging aspect is they now have a team president to evaluate and make decisions instead of the McCaskeys.
How can you expect much from that zoo of an offensive line? Good grief its horrible. Fields gets zero protection. The whole left side blows chunks. Patrick needs to be replaced immediately and given his walking papers
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Bears Offense in a nut shell...
1-10 Run for 8 yards.
2-2 False start
2-7 Sack loss of 8
2-15 Incomplete pass
3-15 6 yard Pass complete runner gains 10 YAC. **HOLDING**
3-25 Screen pass gains 14.
4-11 Punt.
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Our line has no chance because opposing defenses know that they can sell out and bull rush every play because Fields isn’t going to burn them downfield.
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Our OL blows chunks and I am not giving them a pass at all, but there are plays where Fields HAS protection, and doesnt throw the ball to the wide open man. The Roshon Johnson seam route is a perfect example. Stop overthinking it, and throw to who is open. Getsy and whoever is so in his mind he cant even play football any more.
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This incompetent coaching staff took the thing that made Fields beareable (pun intended) to watch (his scrambling and running ability) and decided to make him a statue instead. Un-**** believable. Instead of building on what he does well they take that away and expect him to be better ?!? If they spent the offseason doing that then they are truly morons, even more so than Trestmans or Nagys of the football world....
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An occassional sprint out might help and I don't mean those naked bootlegs where Fields always struggles with (the defense knows how to play those).
I'm still in favor of letting Fields work through this. But for those clamoring for Bagent (like most of Chicago except for the diehard Fields fans) how about this Sunday when we're down 24-7 in the 4th quarter they trot Bagent out. The Chiefs may be pinning their ears back or they may be sitting back in a soft zone.
Either way Bagent gets some time to get evaluated against something more than PS guys.
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You mean down 24-7 at half.... personally I say let Fields sink this game. Let it REALLY sink in for those who think he's the answer. Hopefully they'll be no question he needs time on the bench after this....but usually with this team they'll make sure they are dead and buried and THEN they'll do something...
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Same play every year, just different faces. I'm glad I don't pay money for this trash..
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Bagent looked good in preseason. Kenny Pickett looked good in preseason, and looks mostly lost now. You can clearly see that our team, notably both lines, are undermanned still. While Fields doesn't look great, throwing Bagent into the mix may stunt his development. Let Fields continue to take the ball.
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Defense has to get 2 or more turnovers per game for the offense to have a chance
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Bagent looked good in preseason. Kenny Pickett looked good in preseason, and looks mostly lost now. You can clearly see that our team, notably both lines, are undermanned still. While Fields doesn't look great, throwing Bagent into the mix may stunt his development. Let Fields continue to take the ball.
I agree that success in preseason doesn't mean a QB will be successful in real games. And I'm not ready to abandon Fields...yet. I still think if there's a blowout game (see KC this weekend), why not insert Bagent in the 4Q? It might not prove anything since the Chiefs could be in an overly aggressive pass rush mode and/or they could be laying back in soft zones.
But the team will eventually need to see what Bagent can do.
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The Chicago Bears suffered another blow along the offensive line.
The Bears are placing starting left tackle Braxton Jones on injured reserve with a neck injury, head coach Matt Eberflus announced during his Wednesday press conference.
Jones will miss a minimum of four games, including matchups against the Kansas City Chiefs, Denver Broncos, Washington Commanders and Minnesota Vikings. He’ll be eligible to return in Week 7 against the Las Vegas Raiders.
As for whether it could be a season-ending injury, Eberflus said: “We’ll see where it is.”
It’s another brutal blow for a Chicago offensive line already without starting left guard Teven Jenkins, who was placed on IR at the start of the 2023 season.
With Jones now sidelined, the expectation is it’ll be former starter Larry Borom getting the nod at left tackle, as he’s listed as Jones’ primary backup.
The good news is starting right guard Nate Davis, who missed the Week 2 game due to a death in the family, is back at Halas Hall.
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To blame Fields problems on the O line is plain and simply not facing reality. He's not throwing the ball down the field, he can't find the open receiver, his footwork is off, he holds the ball too long. They're trying to turn him into a pocket passer so now he doesn't even know when to take off running. His QB rating is ranked 31st in the league. Even when he has time in the pocket he's struggling. This is a QB that's in his third season..
I agree with Dallas, if the game starts turning into a blowout, put Bagent in. Hopefully Fields can start to turn his game around, but it sure wouldn't hurt to see what we have in Bagent..
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Year after year after year, we keep going through the same sh!t..
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Why oh why are the Bears dropping Fields back to the same place every passing down? Sprint him out a few times. If the pass rush is too much keep Herbert and Kmet in to pass block and send out 3.
Also on some passing downs have Herbert drop into the flat as a safety valve. If no one is open and there's no running lane - just dump it off and avoid the sack.
And I don't want to hear that defenses are taking away DJ Moore. Do defenses take away guys like Justin Jefferson? This is the NFL - someobody will be open.
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In preseason our offensive Line supposedly was :
Braxton Jones LT
Tevis Jenkins LG
Cody Whitehair C
Nate Davis RG
Darnell Wright RT
Anybody know what it will be against K.C. ?
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Here it comes. Players laying down early this year, will only get worse.
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Braxton Jones going on IR with a neck injury returning unknown if at all.
Eberflus doesn’t know where Alan Williams is.
Fields respectfully calls out coach saying he needs to play his own game while accepting responsibility for his bad play.
Just a Wednesday at Halas hall.
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And thats how we get the first pick in next years draft. Doh
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What happens if Fields does everything he's supposed to do but the rest of the team fades around him ?
Does anybody still want the USC QB prospect no matter what if the rest of the team blows chunks this season ?
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Now if only his drop back and decision making was as fast as his back peddle:
It didn’t take long for Bears quarterback Justin Fields’ comment that his play had felt “robotic” and that “coaching” could be the cause of it to spread far and wide, and Fields quickly attempted to clarify.
Fields took the rare step of addressing the media in the Bears’ locker room for a second time today, saying that he felt some people had taken his quote out of context to try to divide the Bears, and that he wasn’t attempting to blame the coaches or anyone else for his poor play this year.
“I’m not blaming anything on the coaches, I’m never gonna blame anything on the coaches. I’m never gonna blame anything on my teammates. Whatever happens in the game, I will take all the blame,” Fields said. “Never will you hear anything come out of my mouth that I blame on anybody else in this organization, my teammates, never will you hear that. So I just want to clear that up. Just know that I need to play better, that’s it, point blank, that’s what I should have said in the first place, but I was trying to give y’all more details.”
Fields has had an ugly start and the Bears are 0-2, and it’s fair to say that both he and the coaching staff have a responsibility to get things turned around in a hurry. Even if Fields wishes he hadn’t listed “coaching” among the issues in Chicago.
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Kevin Warren's master plan- tank for the overall number 1 draft pick ! :D
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Braxton Jones going on IR with a neck injury returning unknown if at all.
Eberflus doesn’t know where Alan Williams is.
Fields respectfully calls out coach saying he needs to play his own game while accepting responsibility for his bad play.
Just a Wednesday at Halas hall.
Yeah the blame game is on. Of course we cant blame the perfect coaches. They never ever made a mistake
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Our expectations are so low that we go ape-**** when Fields completes a pass more than 10 yards down the field.
Maybe the Bears need to focus on running the ball. They threw 29 times and rushed 16. And a couple of those rushes were scrambles. And there were at least 4 sacks. So this was a pass heavy game plan which puts more pressure on the QB.
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Now the Bears have released Peterman.
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Defensive Coordinator Alan Williams resigns as well.
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In preseason our offensive Line supposedly was :
Braxton Jones LT
Tevis Jenkins LG
Cody Whitehair C
Nate Davis RG
Darnell Wright RT
Anybody know what it will be against K.C. ?
Knowing this team- Moe, Larry, Curly and Laurel and Hardy.....Curly's the Center....
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Knowing this team- Moe, Larry, Curly and Laurel and Hardy.....Curly's the Center....
Curly was outstanding at Catholic Jewish Muslim High School in the Bronx back in the day at center.
His downfall was when they started calling plays in Hindu.
MEANWHILE ...
Let the big dog eat !!
I don't give a fuuck if he throws interceptions ... as long as we win.
Take the handcuffs off and go back and look what he did at Ohio St.
You bail on a team after 0-2 about to go 0-3?
What kind of gutless motherfuuckers are you ?
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Not even the third game of the season and the ship is sinking..
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Should've brought Fangio back as DC when we had a chance...
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Not even the third game of the season and the ship is sinking..
Except for one thing ...
were they better after week 2 then week 1 ?
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Nuclear bomb going off in the middle of the bears. Rumors about child abuse, home being raided by the fbi ,what a total horror show.
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I simply can't believe any of this. Doesn't anyone do background checks any more ? If any of this is even remotely true this dirty ice could go all the way to George.
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were they better after week 2 then week 1 ?
If they were, it was virtually imperceptible.....
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Nuclear bomb going off in the middle of the bears. Rumors about child abuse, home being raided by the fbi ,what a total horror show.
Those are found to be made up by Bears YouTube host John Zaghoul. It’s been denied by the Bears attorney and the “insiders”
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I would still like to know the "health/family" reasons that caused Williams to resign. And Flus has to be pooping in his pants, as he is the guy he brought with him. Yikes.
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The Bears cannot seem to handle things well. They could have handled the Williams stuff and kept the braying media at bay by getting in front of the issue instead of silence and "no comment". Fire the media management group for sure (or at least shake them up) because it appears this dumpster fire is just ramping up....
Tick. Tock. Kevin Warren YOU are on the clock.......
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@BradBiggs
Lot of speculation about the status of #Bears defensive coordinator Alan Williams. I can tell you for the last 3 days we've been operating under the belief that his absence has not been related to health or a family matter.
3:08 PM · Sep 20, 2023
@AlbertBreer
Here’s the statement from resigning Bears defensive coordinator Alan Williams. I’d be careful in jumping to conclusions on this one but it’s definitely fair to say the staff there is stunned. In the words of one coach: “F—ing crazy.”
3:37 PM · Sep 20, 2023
Biggs is as plugged in as it gets. And I get that Ian literally had to tweet to refute the Zaghoul story regarding the FBI, Peanut, and the league non involvement. I have not seen anyone refute William's home raid. Flus and Bears did not send any standard "wishing him and the family well" statements. It's all weird. Kevin Warren is required to face the music because this is not going away and sooner or later the truth will come out.
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After the Bears were declared the media darlings of the offseason with the expected resurgence of Fields, the manipulation of the draft to add numerous high quality players as well as several steals, and the signings of some solid free agents.
And now were the worst run professional sports franchise...
I don't what to believe about the Williams issue - doesn't appear to be the fault of the GM or the coach. Sheet like this happens in the sports world - see Mel Tucker. Just hire Lovie.
Here's the bottom line. We know the defense was going to have holes that could not be fully addressed in 2023 and the O-line was in a bit better shape but was an unknown (before the injuries hit). But if Fields and Getsy can figure out why Fields has no confidence to attempt passes to guys that are open or expected to be open then this fiasco continues until something changes.
Or the Bears are back at the top of the draft in 2024 - hopefully with Carolina.
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Let’s call Leslie Frazier and see if he’s interested in the DC position…
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Leslie Frasier should be the first call they make.
This is nuts... But, so typical of this franchise..
Flaberpuss better put his big boy pants on, cause things aren't looking good..
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So the Bears re-signed Peterman? WTF? You couldn't make this sh!t up if you tried..
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I don’t have much problem with what Fields said.
He’s fighting for his career and it does look like he’s doing too much processing and not enough use of his instincts.
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So the Bears re-signed Peterman? WTF? You couldn't make this sh!t up if you tried..
Probably for a lower salary would be my guess. Would you rather they kept him at a higher salary then what a typical 3rd string QB gets? They probably knew no one would pick him up when they cut him so they did.
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Score was saying they cut Peterson to sign someone off a practice squad and we’re unsuccessful so they brought him back.
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What I want to know about the re-signing is whether Peterman is back to QB2 or is Bagent?
Fields needs to see a shrink. I saw the same thing with Trubisky. The OC or QB coach is so much in their head about avoiding a pick or going thru X number of progressions that its paralysis by analysis.
There's not going to be wide open windows like there was at OSU where he was throwing to NFL quality receivers covered by guys who now are watching football on TV. He's got to develop that timer in his brain to where if it ain't there you move and not necessarilly down the field.
But don't just sit there in the same place.
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I wonder who we claimed unsuccessfully? What other transactions have gone down in the league?
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Assuming the Bears were looking for a PS QB or possibly a FA. I thought I remembered that if a player was claimed by another team on the PS - that the owning team had the right to sign said player to the active roster.
Or a PS QB could have just told the Bears "I'm fine on the PS - I don't want to come to Chicago'.
I think the fact that the Bears put Peterman back on the active roster means they have no intention of moving Bagent to QB2.
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My guess would be they prioritized signing a left tackle.
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It tells me they feel Peterman is expendable. I'm reading they were hoping to sign an O lineman... Nothing said about bringing him back cheaper..
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The only OLman I saw signing yesterday was Dan Skipper, with Detroit…
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We sure need a OLT.
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Bucs Lavontae David miked up says to DJ Moore “man they ain’t using you right “
Moore. “You know it”
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We spend capitol to get a weapon, then run him around like a shiny penny with no use...
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Who is the Bears QB coach? That's the guy that should be under pressure...along with Getsy.
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Lots of debate in the media as to weather Fields should be allowed to play in the fashion that makes him most comfortable or put his big boy pants on and learn an NFL offense in his third year.
What is closing in on the worst outcome is no competent coaches , free agents or first rounders are going to want to come to Chicago. At least they now have a team president so the McCaskeys aren't calling the shots.
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He was hired after Poles.
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When things start going bad:
The Bears’ very bad week keeps getting worse.
More than $100,000 of equipment was stolen from Soldier Field, according to ABC 7 in Chicago.
The equipment included gators and lawn mowers, and happened overnight Wednesday when someone tore down a security fence to drive the equipment out of a garage.
The ugly week for the Bears has also seen the resignation of defensive coordinator Alan Williams for reasons that have still not been explained, and Justin Fields having to call an emergency press conference in the Bears’ locker room to clarify himself after comments he made about the team’s struggles suddenly turned into headlines.
The 0-2 Bears are 12.5-point underdogs at Kansas City on Sunday.
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No way we get even close to 12.5 points. More like 3-4 tds.
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It will be like a special needs football team vs Alabama.......
And the Bears losing $100,000 of equipment to thieves has GOT to have some metaphorical meaning..... :D
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Doesn't the stolen equipment belong to the Park District?
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Good Lord what did the Bears coaching staff do all offseason?
Fields saw and hit those open receivers in college.
He comes to the Bears and can’t play.
Should have hired Doug Peterson.
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The odds that the Bears will hire another defensive head coach after they launch Eberflus is probably the same as the Bears winning this Sunday. Being a dead man walking entering week 3 is worse than Trestman.
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Just go get Ryan Day…
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Of course, he probably makes more than our entire coaching staff, but…
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I know I'm probably in the minority, but maybe that interview process at MN knocked down Harbaugh a peg or 2. I know he is insane. He probably has a maximum 4 year shelf life before he totally implodes. But there is no one out there desperate enough to get back to the NFL and chase the ring than Jimbo. Maybe Kevin can convince George to pay top dollar for a HC for once whoever it is.
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I know I'm probably in the minority, but maybe that interview process at MN knocked down Harbaugh a peg or 2. I know he is insane. He probably has a maximum 4 year shelf life before he totally implodes. But there is no one out there desperate enough to get back to the NFL and chase the ring than Jimbo. Maybe Kevin can convince George to pay top dollar for a HC for once whoever it is.
Couldn't be worse than the mess we have right now. I just wonder if the Bears can admit to their mistakes. If history tells us anything, the Bears will hang onto a crappy coach and GM far too long..
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I know it's early, but I hope Darnell Wright turns into a great tackle, cause Jalen Carter sure is looking good so far..
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With this crazy a$s week, can this team focus enough to play the game. I think this game will show if this team is capable of playing through adversity, or if they've already decided to pack it in for the season.. After watching the interviews this week with Poles and Eberflus, I'd be willing to bet it's the latter..
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Now with the loss of 100k worth of field equip, that just adds to this goofy misfit toys season. I'd be willing to bet it gets goofier come Sunday. Something else will befall this unhinged team. There's far too much distraction going on to set their mind to playing this game....
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If the loss this Sunday is embarrassing, it will mirror the loss at the end of the Trestman "error". The one that got George to bring in outside "help" (God help them if they bring Polian in again after the last 2 disasters) to try to get the mess sorted out.
We all know how that went. And the redux of the outside "help" seems to have been same results, different day.....
If Kevin Warren is not a token hire (he HAS improved the buffet for the media) who was brought in only to polish the image, get a stadium deal done and not set the train straight on the track again, it maybe a LONG time until they can make the correction to do so.
As far as George goes, he seems likeable. But he also is/was incompetent at his job. How do you grow up as the grandson of the NFL's foundational football team, surrounded by that mystique, yet not learn and want to actually be a part of that ? Not knowing football folks and being plugged in ? It was an indictable offense on the whole franchise when George admitted he was not a football guy. He was a best a middling ticket manager. And the last decade since our last 10-6 coach was fired just proves the point.
It boggles the mind the franchise is where it is. It saddens me greatly to where it has fallen (and appears to have more to fall). It angers me even more when I think of how much of a punchline they have become. That whirring sound in the background of Halas Hall is GSH spinning around in his grave....
Tick Tock. Kevin Warren YOU are on the clock.....
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Yeah but after the 1965 draft Halas job finding players was criminally bad. His failure was so unfair to Butkus and Sayers. Then 20 years of dread until he finally agreed to hire Finks, who left and back to no quarterback and bad drafting. That’s what his family had to learn from no wonder they are incompetent.
The fact they have Warren in charge is the only hope and remember he didn’t hire Poles and the current staff.
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But to be surrounded by all those football people and supposedly steeped in the tradition of the NFL... and come away a ticket manager at best ? True shame that.......
When the elder McCaskey got the boot and he took over I was kind of hoping maybe he could be the anti-mike McCaskey. He was, but in the totally opposite direction.....
This franchise has burned so many bridges with fans, it makes the 1871 Great Chicago Fire look like a backyard hibachi barbecue....
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Yeah but after the 1965 draft Halas job finding players was criminally bad. His failure was so unfair to Butkus and Sayers. Then 20 years of dread until he finally agreed to hire Finks, who left and back to no quarterback and bad drafting. That’s what his family had to learn from no wonder they are incompetent.
The fact they have Warren in charge is the only hope and remember he didn’t hire Poles and the current staff.
It's almost as if they hire backwards on purpose, so everyone has an excuse.. Hire the head coach, then the GM, then the new president. Should've all been the other way around..
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Bears began coming apart with regrettable decision to trade Roquan Smith
Since he has been gone, the Bears have been done. The locker room hasn’t been the same, the coaches have been searching for answers, and the organization hasn’t a clue what to do.
By Scoop Jackson Sept 23, 2023, 2:04am EDT
With linebacker Roquan Smith, the Bears were going places. Then they traded him to the Ravens last fall, and their world changed.
Let’s, all together, walk into the center of the storm, a place many have decided not to visit in this sh**show that has become the Bears’ 0-2 season.
Deeper into it than Alan Williams’ exit as defensive coordinator. Way deeper than quarterback Justin Fields’ mutiny-adjacent blame on the coaching staff handcuffing his ability to be “him” on the field. Deeper into it than any preseason expectations and this being the worst stint of professional football this city has possibly ever seen.
Depth level: Roquan Smith deep. Baltimore Raven Roquan Smith. Former Bear Roquan Smith. Perennial Pro Bowl linebacker Roquan Smith. The newly minted $100 million star. The eye of our storm.
Since he has been gone, the Bears have been done. The locker room hasn’t been the same, the coaches have been searching for answers, and the organization hasn’t a clue what to do. A trade that brought them replacement linebacker A.J. Klein and two draft picks (one that turned into Gervon Dexter, the other Noah Sewell) — and, essentially, the No. 1 pick in the 2023 NFL Draft, which is a whole extra story — has affected this team in ways it will never admit.
Smith, who, despite holding out during 2022 training camp as part of a dispute before that season, led the NFL in tackles when he was traded. The Bears’ current top tackler, Tremaine Edmunds, with 23 total, is tied for sixth. The next-to-last time we saw Smith in Wilber Marshall’s old uniform was the last time the Bears won a game.
Check The Time: Oct. 24, 2022. Last victory. Versus New England, 33-14. Roquan: eight tackles, four assists. One sack. One interception. The next week, trade talks get heavy. Contract agreement can’t get made. Smith checks out. Ryan Poles starts making calls and answering the phone. Oct. 30, 2022. Last game for Smith. Versus Dallas. Skid begins — 49-29 loss. Roquan: four tackles, zero assists, zero sacks, zero interceptions. Traded the next day. Locker room shook. Culture lost. Team ain’t won a game since.
Now, I’m no conspiracy theorist (at least not when it comes to this), and with sports, I try not to think like Charlie Brooker while he’s creating episodes of “Black Mirror.” But when there’s a pinpoint point that hasn’t really been addressed, examined or accepted into some form of consideration as to where, when, why and how something (anything!) might have been the reason for our current existence, then extreme-measured thought usually comes off as the necessary option. Especially when dealing with the Bears.
That trade simply kick-started it all. Not Smith’s demand for the trade, but the trade itself. We can do all the data-crunching and numerical analysis we want — it’s still going to bring us back to that decision as the simple common denominator. The Bears are 0-12 since the game after the game they decided to trade him.
Now I’m not stupid enough to not think the Nov. 1, 2022, trade-deadline deal for receiver Chase Claypool for a third-round pick, trading defensive end Robert Quinn the week before and the offseason loss of running back David Montgomery haven’t also played a huge role in what’s happened to the Bears. It’s kind of difficult for the stars to align when a team gets rid of all its stars. But in Smith, the Bears got rid of a “him” who just happened to be at the time their only Pro Bowl player, a team captain, only 25 years old, who was playing the one position that has defined everything the organization has built itself on. A “him” who ended up getting the money and more (five years, $100 million when he was apparently seeking only $20 million per season to stay here) from his current team, which saw his value in a way this Bears front-office regime apparently didn’t.
Coincidence vs. mistake. That’s the GM question. That’s the chairman question. Y’all’s call. That’s our question to the Bears as to whether that single trade played a signature and irreversible role in why we are here with them now. If the Bulls are never going to live down letting Phil Jackson go, or letting Tom Thibodeau off the hook for his decision to play Derrick Rose when he did when Pooh got injured, if the Cubs still have to answer for never truly fighting to keep Theo Epstein here, if the Blackhawks are forever going to be haunted for their decision to replace Corey Crawford — all of which those organizations have never fully recovered from — then placing this theory of the Bears trading Smith last season is straight fair game. And all’s fair in love and underachieving football.
For the Bears, we all know the current effect is the result of more than this one cause. Zero interceptions and only one sack (thank you, Yannick Ngakoue) this season is not on the trading of Smith. The punter having more punting yards than the quarterback has passing yards (444 for Trenton Gill, 427 for Fields) is not on dealing Smith. A QB who rushed for more than 1,100 yards last season had three yards in Game 2, and his QBR is at its highest (85.2 last season) when he’s using his legs as an option and an outlet, not when he’s trying to be something the Bears want him to become that is something he’s not (kinda what Fields was alluding to in his retracted sound bite). That’s not on trading Smith. Watching Jalen Carter in an Eagles uniform play like a star already when the Bears had two chances to select him in the draft is not on the Smith trade. None of it correlates. And that’s the point: Maybe we need to all pull back and long-distance-view this as the possible root cause, as the “where it all began,” as opposed to “what it’s all become.” The week-after-week searching for reasons, the excuses and the placing of rotating personal blame is getting exhausting.
Let’s just admit: The trade ruined us.
There’s always a tipping point. And those tipping points are at the center of most of life’s catastrophes. Poles’ decision — however much sense it may have made a year ago — to handle Roquan’s situation the way he did can justifiably be looked at as the beginning of the beginning of why the Bears are where they are today, only four weeks away from a calendar year of winlessness.
There’s a parable floating around anti-analytics circles that is apropos for this theory: Don’t say the math ain’t mathin’ when the math that’s mathin’ is the only math that matters. 0-12 = 0. That is the Bears. I know this is a very “Dude, you reaching” way of looking at this whole disaster. But simple math don’t lie. And sometimes, to make nonsense make sense, we have to go back in time, say, almost an entire year, to see, while standing in the center of it all, how a storm got started in the first place.
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I'm just sitting here thinking about the entirety of the futility that has been this team now for decades. How much we've hoped and waited and talked and discussed who to pick, who to acquire...all for nothing. This team is in about as bad a position as it's EVER been with nothing to show for it. CAN'T make the right draft choice, CAN'T pick the right coach, CAN'T pick the right GM, CAN'T pick the right O Coordinator EVER....on and on. It's unreal it's mind boggling it's....the Bears, seemingly forever....
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Want a stat that'll make ya vomit...again?...
Bears are the first team in NFL history to lose 12 consecutive games while allowing at least 25 points in each one.....
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The McCasket curse goes on and on.....
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What is it with the MsCaskes?
They have made change after change the last decade. All stepped back and put football people in charge. Yet you don’t hold those people responsible.
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How do you even play defense in the NFL anymore?
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Right now there looks like a great likelyhood that the Bears will have the first two picks in the next year draft. If they work it right, they can trade down to get every pick in the entire seventh round. Think of the possibilities.
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suck city
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The Bears are the ONLY team not playing competitive football.
That’s all coaching.
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Poles doesn't get a pass from me either.
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The Bears are 3 point dogs at home next weekend to a team that just lost by 50.
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The Eberflus and Poles Traveling Circus and Clown Show did not disappoint (or rather it did depending on which side you fall on). The incompetent Flus and his Heading Into Total **** philosophy is on full display, week after week.....
The Mcasket Funeral Home and Franchise Immolation has been busy burning and burying this franchise since 1986......
I think I heard Greg Olsen (representing yet another thumb in the eye of this franchise) comment something to the effect that "The Bears front office is confident" in the current regime. I could only laugh. This is what happens when you get yes-men in an echo-chamber in an organization.....
If there were any truly decent members of the press, they would be calling for a conference with Kevin Warren who has some 'splaining to do......
The only true bright side is that they are heading for maybe 2 very high overall draft picks. If Warren is not a token hire, he has the power to fire GM/HC and bring in his own guys. THAT is the order things should be. Not the Bears way of hiring the coach, then hiring the GM, then hiring the president. As with all things Bears they do things Ass-**** Backwards.....
And if Warren is only there to "polish the Bears image" and not concentrate on getting a better product on the field, this franchise has yet to hit rock bottom....
Next week fans should chant and point "Shame ! Shame ! Shame !" the whole game for supporting this train-wreck franchise........
Dismayed and Disgusted.
The future is bright, unfortunately that's only from the flames of this dumpster fire of a franchise.....
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The biggest kick in the ass is that even if something was to happen to Fields during a game, Peterman would be next man up, because Bagent is inactive every week.
As if Peterman gives us the best chance to win anything…ever…
(unless that’s the plan…)
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The coaching staff was already fired in my eyes since week 1. The only question is will Warren stick with Poles or just blow it up. If not he needs to grab this franchise by the neck and not be afraid to hire a HC who is equal in the hierarchy to the GM.
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In my total meatball interim fantasy world as Chicago Bears president, I would can Eber-excuse as soon as humanly possible. And if George mentions that is not how the Bears do things and that would be rude, I would politely tell George to sit his ass down and fuckoff while reminding him that I am about to double the value of your franchise when I get your stadium built as well trying to reverse the Green Bay Packers ownership of you for the past 30 goddamn years.
Then I would hire Hightower as interim HC (nobody left inhouse) who would promptly fire Getsy as soon as humanly possible. And instead of lazily promoting Janocko, I would prefer that Hightower grab Greg Roman off the couch and go back to a less complicated I formation run oriented play action pocket moving offense. Convince Marinelli to babysit the defense from the box or buy a highly advanced Professor X wheelchair if he prefers to be on the field. Then MAYBE, this team might look a little less pathetic for the rest of the season. Cement Peterman's shoes as the QB3 permanently. He has no business even sniffing the field unless both Fields and Bagent are both crippled.
I assume Warren has Jim's number. It's interesting how Charger and Viking fans just can't get through a day without mentioning him.
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I watched the Fluss post game excuse show. Him and Poles keep making excuses as to why the starters didn't play preseason. They're saying it was due to injuries. These guys should be shot. Fields should've been out there getting reps.
And every time with past coaches that sucked, it's the same thing, "we have confidence in our current coaching staff"...
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Fluss saying they had a lot of good plays and such was nauseating.
He should be angry saying they have to change and get better.
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They're 'tight', man....the team's 'tight'....lockerroom's 'tight'....everyone's 'tight'.... .. . .
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And we had a couple of nice catches and blocks, and a few tackles.
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I sure would like to see what Fields could do with a good offensive head coach and OC.
Just drafting another first rounder who has a 50/50 chance of success seems like staying on the treadmill.
If they do stay with Fields imagine the draft haul they could get with potentially 2 top 5 picks.
There may be as many as 6 first round quarterbacks.
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@adamjahns
Here come some nuggets from @TruMediaSports
1. The Chiefs attacked quarterback Justin Fields differently by playing less zone coverage than the Packers and Buccaneers. Kansas City was in zone coverage 38.9 percent of the time.
2. Over three games, the Bears offense's average distance on third downs is 7.72 yards. The Bears have been in shotgun 82.6 percent of the time.
3. In Matt Eberflus’ second game in charge of the defense, the Bears barely blitzed at 7.3 percent. Over three games, only two teams have blitzed less percentage-wise: the Cardinals and Bills. The Bears have one sack this season. The Bills have 12.
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We need a stud DE and a stud LOT. We could use a LB, CB, S, C and G. Oh and a new/better QB.
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We need a stud DE and a stud LOT. We could use a LB, CB, S, C and G. Oh and a new/better QB.
We can evaluate LT at season end. CB is not an immediate need in the next draft - safety may appear to be.
Bears have been basically playing with backup guards the whole season so need to see if Jenkins can last a season and Nate Davis can overcome his grief situation. Our backup backup center is on IR. Haven't seen Whitehair at center this season either.
Edmonds is nothing special - he misses a lot of tackles. Edwards is solid. Bears have depth with Sewell and Sanborn.
WR - Mooney had one target. (have you noticed Bears avoid throwing between the hashes except in the end zone).
Of course QB is the #1 question mark as it has been forever. If Fields doesn't have a solid game against the Broncos in Chicago - he's benched. Its Bagent time.
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Don't forget DT, we need a good DT... Oh wait, didn't we draft one? I don't believe I've heard much out of him...
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Saw a pretty pathetic stat today.... Fields is sacked 1 of every 4 dropbacks. That's like unheard of....
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Is the 2023 Chicago Bears the worst team in NFL history?
Discuss.
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Is Justin Fields the worst quarterback in Chicago Bears history?
Discuss.
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The boo birds will be out Sunday. Most likely like we haven't seen in some time...
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I hate this coaching staff with the passion of a thousand suns. But for the players fuckthe tankathon. I still want to see the Bears win.
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IMHO I think the Bears have reached perfect storm status-
1. Front office echo chamber creates bad decisions that flout reality.
2. Bad talent choices (Poles).
3. Bad Coaching(Flubs/Getsy etc).
4. Bad locker room- no leaders. Too many paycheck players. They know its bad so they are not willing to put anything on the line for this coaching "staph".
The end result is the misery factory that is the current Bears.
Not sure when this thing gets the enema it deserves.....
Tick Tock. Kevin Warren, you are on the clock.....
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I sure would like to see what Fields could do with a good offensive head coach and OC.
I sure would like to see what Fields can do too, but with a 1st class Oline which we dont have. This Oline sucks canal water.
Its really hard to evaluate Fields, or condemn Fields with this conglomeration of garbage we have. Sometimes you have to call it what it is.
Deal with it!
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We all believed the media hype in the offseason that the Bears were on the upswing. Fields was going to be a new QB. He had weapons including #1 WR Moore and GBs prize pass receiving TE Tonyan. Chase Claypool was going to make use of his great athletic ability and actually learn the playbook. The O-line was rebuilt with a top first round OT and a top FA guard to go along with returning one of the NFLs best guard in Jenkins and the surprise of the Bears 2022 draft Braxton jones. New pro-bowl quality FAs at LBer. Defensive backfield revamped with a tradeup #2 round draft pick to start at CB to go along with last year's #2s Gordon and Brisker. Draft was loaded with talent and had a couple absolute steals.
Now the media is working everyone into a frenzy with a lot of negativity attacking everyone from the ownership to the backup players forced into starting roles.
Is it deserved? Yeah, some of it is. We knew the team would only go as far a Fields could take them. He's not improving. Part of that is the O-line and part is the play calling. O-line is missing 3 starters now. We saw KC in the Super Bowl when it was missing starters.
You all know the issues on the d-line. Maybe one quality NFL pass rusher surrounded by a bunch of JAGs and a couple rookie DTs that have not impressed like the media touted in the offseason.
Fields is the key and without quality depth in O-line to at least help him be serviceable, without quality starters in the d-line, and questionable play calling especially by Getsy - Bears are headed to deja vu all over again in 2023.
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O-line is missing 3 starters now.
I get that. But my point is even were those 3 srtarters healthy and playing as well as they can, I have serious doubts I could even classify that Oline as "first class"
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OK, the O line is poor at best. But even when Fields has time he won't throw the ball. I blame a bunch on the coaching staff. Fields is broken, and it's not all on the O line.
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We all believed the media hype in the offseason that the Bears were on the upswing. Fields was going to be a new QB. He had weapons including #1 WR Moore and GBs prize pass receiving TE Tonyan. Chase Claypool was going to make use of his great athletic ability and actually learn the playbook. The O-line was rebuilt with a top first round OT and a top FA guard to go along with returning one of the NFLs best guard in Jenkins and the surprise of the Bears 2022 draft Braxton jones. New pro-bowl quality FAs at LBer. Defensive backfield revamped with a tradeup #2 round draft pick to start at CB to go along with last year's #2s Gordon and Brisker. Draft was loaded with talent and had a couple absolute steals.
Now the media is working everyone into a frenzy with a lot of negativity attacking everyone from the ownership to the backup players forced into starting roles.
Is it deserved? Yeah, some of it is. We knew the team would only go as far a Fields could take them. He's not improving. Part of that is the O-line and part is the play calling. O-line is missing 3 starters now. We saw KC in the Super Bowl when it was missing starters.
You all know the issues on the d-line. Maybe one quality NFL pass rusher surrounded by a bunch of JAGs and a couple rookie DTs that have not impressed like the media touted in the offseason.
Fields is the key and without quality depth in O-line to at least help him be serviceable, without quality starters in the d-line, and questionable play calling especially by Getsy - Bears are headed to deja vu all over again in 2023.
Fields is to blame as much as anyone. I'm certainly not blaming the media. What's whipped me into a frenzy is watching the game on Sunday. I think as a general rule, we all expect improvement from a team that was the worst in the league the previous year. I hope like heck these guys don't start winning just enough at the end of the season, so the coaching staff keeps their jobs and we're going through this again next year.. As I stated previously, at some point, this franchise has to get serious about winning and make some bold moves. Such as firing the head coach, and the rest at the end of the season. They won't do it, cause that wouldn't be Bears tradition. You would think they had learned a lesson from the Wannstedt years...
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O-line is missing 3 starters now.
I get that. But my point is even were those 3 srtarters healthy and playing as well as they can, I have serious doubts I could even classify that Oline as "first class"
No one said first class. But Jenkins is pro-bowl quality and would be an upgrade LG. Whitehair is an upgrade over Patrick at center. Davis (last year) had a very respectable PFF grade and is much better than Carter. Braxton Jones is still a work in progress and of course Wright being a rookie is going to have a learning curve.
No expected this line to gel from day one. And now day one has moved to October.
The running game should be better which should put less pressure on Fields. Is Fields the answer? I dunno. He'll be better but how much?
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Fields is to blame as much as anyone. I'm certainly not blaming the media. What's whipped me into a frenzy is watching the game on Sunday. I think as a general rule, we all expect improvement from a team that was the worst in the league the previous year. I hope like heck these guys don't start winning just enough at the end of the season, so the coaching staff keeps their jobs and we're going through this again next year.. As I stated previously, at some point, this franchise has to get serious about winning and make some bold moves. Such as firing the head coach, and the rest at the end of the season. They won't do it, cause that wouldn't be Bears tradition. You would think they had learned a lesson from the Wannstedt years...
I'm not blaming the media for the team's performance just the expectations they created where many expected to steam roll Green Bay. Look at Green Bay's line up. Loaded with first round draft picks. Solid on the O-line and D-line. The only question was QB and we saw him in preseason making quality throws on numerous occasions while our Qb was kept under wraps limited to 3 or 4 throws a game. And yet all were surpised when Green Bay beat us.
The bears have some talent but they have horrible depth and losing 3/5 offensive lineman and 2/5 defensive backs exposes them even more.
It's not the end of the season. Let's see what happens after it all plays out. One game at a time. Right now though I'm for firing Getsy and whoever the QB coach is.
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OK, the O line is poor at best. But even when Fields has time he won't throw the ball. I blame a bunch on the coaching staff. Fields is broken, and it's not all on the O line.
Yes Fields is broken. I agree with that but you cant fix that till you fix the OLine first. The approach of Poles has been to fix one position and seeming saying that its all OK.
Then the injury bug bit then people are all tight in the crotch, "Oh my injuries hurt" Getting a new QB isnt going to fix everything. It will be a continuing problem after problem.
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A question to ask EverFlub:
"What has improved on this team over last year ?"
It will be all gobbledygook he spouts but it would be interesting to see the spin....
Another question:
"What can this team hang their hat on offensively or defensively ?"
Give the everyone in Halas Hall a paper sword and a card saying
"In years long ago when those in charge failed so blatantly bad, they were obliged to fall on his own sword. You may not have one conveniently handy, so here is one. signed The Fans"
Its looking more and more each day that with Warren's silence he was a token hire to polish the McCaskey turd they've turned this proud franchise into and maybe get a stadium deal done.
Dark, dark days indeed ahead for Bears fandom......
I usually think of the season as a roller coaster ride, but this season the car is running on no rails.....
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This weekend is a must win for em.. Remember, last season we opened with a win against the niners.. Looking at the rest of the season, there may be 3 games that are winnable, maybe....
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Important game for the Bears and Fields too. If he doesn't show welll Sunday I don't see how they can not play Bagent.
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One interesting thing that I cannot shake concerning this team.
Someone previously posted a long podcast with Bagent a few weeks back.
On the podcast, Bagent made mention of the coaching staff and the HITS principle. He said you could see veterans rolling their eyes and he even alluded too that the vets are very wealthy and the idea of "sacrificing" their bodies was a principle they are not down with.
I think we obviously have had a subtraction by addition moment this year. We add FA's to a young team. Now all of a sudden the hustle and progress that we showed at end of last year (we sucked but you could tell the players were playing hard and trying) looks like no commitment and lack of effort. That is what I think is pissing the fans off the most.
Remember a couple of years ago when Miami blew up their team. They went young, a lot of undrafted FA types. Brian Flores had that team turned around in a couple of games. They were all effort. No fat and happy vets.
If I am ownership I bring in Flores, he has already proven he can turn a team around.
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That's a great point. The longer and richer the players stay and become, the less effort they'll exert toward a goal, in a lot of cases, not all. There are still those who put in the work to make it happen. But yeah, Miami is a great place to start with this team. Get rid of the lazy, wealthy players and bring in the young, hungry ones willing to put in the work to succeed. Great idea
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Speaking of Miami, if the Bears want to stick with the Shanny tree and go with a young whiz kid, one name to keep in mind is Bobby Slowik OC for Houston. Yes, he's the son of Wanny's old DC back in the day. Him and Ben Johnson are my top 2 candidates so far assuming the Bears are cheap.
I do like Flores though. Despite Minnesota being a total shitshow, he did run a tight ship as the head guy.
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Its looking more and more each day that with Warren's silence he was a token hire to polish the McCaskey turd they've turned this proud franchise into and maybe get a stadium deal done.
I heard a reporter very familiar with Warren say that he is a manager who believes in treating everyone like family and handling everything inhouse. No dirty laundry gets aired under his watch. Always has been and always will. Who knows what goes on behind those closed doors at Halas Hall. She asked the show host to show one example of where he has been that this hasn't been the case. The host couldn't think of any.
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Get rid of the lazy, wealthy players and bring in the young, hungry ones willing to put in the work to succeed. Great idea
HOLY SHITTT!!!! BEARLBOT is back!
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I know there are a ton of Big Ten fans and admins who wanted him launched and continue to trash him. There were a lot people in and around the Vikings organization and around the league who consider him a home run hire. I don't think Warren was in any danger of losing his gig as commish. So why would he give up a job like that if he wasn't given the power to run the Bears as he sees fit above and beyond the stadium drive. That's why I will give him a pass for now, let him operate in the background during the season, see how many heads roll in the offseason and what he does to replace them.
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MORE from Cluster Kingdom.... ::)
ESPN Power Rankings
32. Chicago Bears (0-3)
Week 3 ranking: 20
Offensive efficiency: 16.3 (31st)
Biggest issue on offense: The entire operation
There is plenty of blame to go around with the Bears' offense, which is performing worse than it did a year ago. Some receivers aren't running routes the correct way, which has led to spacing issues that affect the timing of when throws should be delivered. Chicago's playcalling has put Justin Fields in situations to make plays from the pocket often, and the quarterback's struggles there are magnified during a stretch when the Bears have been outscored 106-47 in their first three losses. Since the start of the 2022 season, Fields has the worst QBR (25) and yards per dropback (4.6) from inside the pocket among QBs with at least 200 passes in that time. -- Courtney Cronin
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https://youtu.be/GY0VYVlpO2A?si=8FvTw6LAe5cyIBhu
Chase Daniels breakdown shows most plays there were no open receivers to throw to.
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Starting over with Denver ... this has to be a "fuuck it " I don't care anymore game.
Go nuts.
If only we had a team mascot dog that could bite all 11 players of the opposing team ...
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https://youtu.be/GY0VYVlpO2A?si=8FvTw6LAe5cyIBhu
Chase Daniels breakdown shows most plays there were no open receivers to throw to.
I might cut Fields some slack based on the Daniels' video. One thing I noticed is that the KC defenders were like glue for the most part on the Bears' receivers.
Compare that to the soft zones the Bears play. I know KC has a pass rush and we don't, but I wish the Bears would play more man than they do today. Too many 3rd and longs end up as first downs for our D.
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Does anyone else think that the Bears' wide receivers seem to play like cornerbacks and their cornerbacks play like wide receivers?
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The way they've been playing, I'd say yes. The WR's seem to blanket coverage the opposing teams DB's, and our DB's seem to want separation from their WR's...
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Its simple, just swap the CB and WR coaches. lol
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This game is the penultimate Lose-Lose situation for the Bears.....
If they lose they confirm (as if we need yet MORE confirmation) of Everflub & Co incompetence for all to see.....
If they win, they show that they are not as incompetent as the other team (who is definitely incompetent too) and they can puff their chest and say "See.. its working".
SMH.....
Incompetence can be viewed as gangrene as far an organization goes. You have to aggressively remove it or it infects the whole. The Bears problem is that their main gangrene is call McCaskey. You can cut off (fire) Team Presidents, GMs, coaches or whoever and no matter how competent the folks you bring in (much less chief gangrene making the right choice to begin with) they will wind up infected too. I've seen this in a professional environment before and it is NOT pretty......
Maybe they can turn this thing around. Maybe Kevin Warren's silence means he's going to clean house. Maybe with 2 high draft picks, good cap space, he can hire his own GM who should hire his own coaching staff. Maybe they can finally do things ass forwards instead of ass backwards for a change. Maybe. Just maybe....
Unfortunately, the Bears have been selling that Brooklyn bridge for over 40 years now. Actions count not words now.....
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Can anyone say that the Bears have better talent than the Packers, Bucs or Chiefs? Especially now with the beatup defensive backfield and offensive line?
Poles has tried to upgrade the offensive line but the defensive line was a mess and that's going to take more time. Poles biggest decision will be at QB.
We'll see how that goes.
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Do we get Jenkins back for this game ?
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After watching Chase Daniels analysis showing the lack of open receivers it’s clear to me game plan is a major issue.
No reason why the 3 starters shouldn’t be giving the defense fits but their simple routes look easy to cover.
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Do we get Jenkins back for this game ?
No.
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I'm seeing that we may get him back for the Commander/Redskins game.
Two out of three OL starters is a step up. Unfortunately when you expected a steady five.
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Bears wide receiver Chase Claypool said this week that he does not feel the team has put him in position to be his best and they will reportedly pass on putting him in any position for Sunday’s game against the Broncos.
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Claypool will be inactive for the matchup of 0-3 teams. Equanimeous St. Brown is expected to be active for the first time this season.
Claypool has four catches for 51 yards on the season. He had 14 catches for 140 yards in seven games last season and the the overall production is far below what the Bears expected after sending a second-round pick to the Steelers for Claypool last season.
Rapoport also reports that rookie Tyson Bagent will be the No. 2 quarterback this week. Nathan Peterman has been the primary backup to Justin Fields so far this season.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7XaTIlWwAEB6uJ?format=png&name=small)
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If it were not the Bears I would say the coaching "staph" have no chance of returning, but knowing the Bears they will offer contract extensions for all of those losers. That includes Poles. I still stand by my statement (at the time of hiring) that Ryan and Matt were hired so that curious George would not have to remember new 1st names.....
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Look at all the losers this team has had in recent memory. Coach's, GM's, QB,s... What a tradition. The running joke of the NFL... Year after Year after year, nothing changes. Believe it or not, there are still people among the fan base that will make excuses for this pile of sh!t...
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But...but its an intentional tank for the #1 Draft pick again, right ? Riiight (Voice getting higher pitched and higher pitched) :D
Last year was not an intentional tank. They were trying their best to win and they are trying their best to win now. Sad sack Everlose, Poles and Co have to go.
Silent Eunuch Kevin Warren can go to if he does not have the balls to do something about this mess......
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Sounds like Claypool will be traded or released.
He’s been told not to report this week.
Reportedly he’s not getting the offense and saying he’s not being used properly is the last straw.
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So glad they wasted a high pick on this guy.... ::)
Just another day in clown central at Halas.....
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Claypool 6'4" 240 lbs plays like 5'4" 120 lbs....
He's just a symptom of the disease infecting Halas Hall ATM.....
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It’s official. Caleb Williams will stay in USC unless one of 5 teams drafts him. Not the Bears.
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good grief. Thats insane
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Caleb looked vulnerable when the Buffs were getting pressure on him - Fields is not the problem on this team
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It’s official. Caleb Williams will stay in USC unless one of 5 teams drafts him. Not the Bears.
That’s officially a load of crap.
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He's pulling an Elway. Didn't Eli pull the same thing?
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Yes Eli Manning did...with the Chargers.
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If the Bears are trying to trade Claypool, his value now is the absolute lowest it will ever be in his career.
I don't know what he said, but I do know it took the Bears offense a few games before they figured out how to use DJ Moore. And last year they ignored Mooney and Kmet early on too.
Hoping Jenkins/Jackson return to the lineup. From this point out its appearing to be all about evaluating Fields and Getsy.
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The best punishment now would be to force Claypool to play in this offense.....
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I read Poles is looking for a 5th or 6th rounder for Claypool. Good luck with that.
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See where a rumor floating around if Bears lose tomorrow night coach gets dumped. Mini bye will give enough time to get somebody. Bears 6 pt dogs.
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It’s going to be hard to win against that front four.
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I dont see how they can keep Eberflush, any way, after this year. I really like the Jim Harbough rumor, let him decide if he wants to take on the Justin Fields rehab project, or go with drafting Williams.
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Something to think about that was said on Hoge and Jahns, Bagent was elevated to 2nd string, did that light a little fire under Fields and does it explain his improved performance? Not sure but something to think about.
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I think more Mooney, and no Claypool was the catalyst to the improved offensive performance. Maybe St. Brown being a more willing blocker.
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I think the Denver defense being dog-**** had a lot to do with the offensive performance. Once they adjusted, it was lights out for the offense who had few if any answers....
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Tonight should be a good test of what kind of steps they took last week to move towards an NFL caliber offense.
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Redskins 31, Bears 13
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I think more Mooney, and no Claypool was the catalyst to the improved offensive performance. Maybe St. Brown being a more willing blocker.
I dunno - I saw receivers with space that I hadn't seen in the past.
Eberflus is the old traditonal coach - not a player's coach. My way or the highway. We saw that when Jenkins had trouble dealing with his losing the starting tackle job.
I'm not saying Claypool is not a primma donna - he is. A lot of WRs are - it comes with the position. But Eberflus needs to make up with Claypool and get him on the field and get him the ball. Right now releasing him or getting a 7th rounder doesn't help the Bears.
Get him some plays and maybe his trade value increases. You just don't give up on a player you gave up a first round draft choices (and yes it was the 32nd player in the draft).
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Also Claypool is the most gifted athletically they have.
Reports were he was the best player in camp until he got hurt. I saw an analysis showing he had a big rookie year because Rothlisburger got him the ball quickly and let him run. Complicated routes aren’t his strength.
But again there is talk about not responding to needed coaching and causing locker room distractions.
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Also Claypool is the most gifted athletically they have.
Reports were he was the best player in camp until he got hurt. I saw an analysis showing he had a big rookie year because Rothlisburger got him the ball quickly and let him run. Complicated routes aren’t his strength.
But again there is talk about not responding to needed coaching and causing locker room distractions.
Deja vu - see Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Well...should be interesting. If they lose, and they will no doubt, that'll be the end of Eberflub....from what I've been reading, anyway but who knows with this club.....
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Defense is playing with 2 of 5 starting DBs and one of the 2 is a rookie. The D-line is again among the worst if not the worst in the NFL.
Maybe the offense wakes up but there really is not much hope for the team as a whole. Got to look for individual bright spots particuarly at QB.
BTW Chase Young in 3 games (2 starts) has 2.5 sacks and 4 QB hits. 2.5 sacks is more than the entire Bears team in 4 games. Bears can't just assume D-line in R1 next year with both picks - we'll need some young quality FA d-lineman.
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The new safety they signed this week may be starting.
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Get the top 2 picks, go for QB and DL and they'll STILL blow it no doubt....if there's four top QBs coming out, Bears will be sure to pick the one that flops....
Maybe they need to change water/food suppliers at Halas....check for brain eating mold...something!
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I've got an idea for a new costume for Halloween. Do any grocery stores still offer paper bags?
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Aldis does, if you have any near you.... ;D
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Damn…
Legends never die. RIP Butkus…you were great…
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And now to add to the year, #51 died.
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Now Butkus is gone....just one of those years.....
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Get the top 2 picks, go for QB and DL and they'll STILL blow it no doubt....if there's four top QBs coming out, Bears will be sure to pick the one that flops....
Maybe they need to change water/food suppliers at Halas....check for brain eating mold...something!
LOL you got that one right
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Well, they finally got that win. Now, ten days till they meet the Queens in Soldiers, which at this point is a very winnable game. Can they keep the little bit of momentum they've got going?....lots of injuries to overcome....
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Maybe the long break let’s guys get healthy. It seems the past two games that Getsy has let Fields do what he is good at and it seems he is getting the ball out faster too. If Fields can get the ball out quickly and run, watch out!
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Butkus the best. I wore my only jersey I have, which is Butkus.
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Foreman will be in the same position he was with Carolina. Glad we had him in reserve. Johnson likley out a game or two. Herbert has 10 days, he might get a game off. It's a long season, good to have an rb of his caliber to step in.
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Everything everybody thought about this team has to be reevaluated.
Fuuckin aye baby we're almost out of running backs.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that DICK BUTKUS willed this win from Heaven ?
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The not-Redskins have to be kicking themselves today. Chico as pissed after halftime and it showed with the way they came out to play the 2nd half. Glad to see the Bears keep their foot on the pedal this week (maybe they learned something ?)....
Still too many guys in the 2ndary standing around instead of making the tackle (maybe looking for the strip- they need to tackle FIRST then strip the ball)....
Much maligned D-line came firing. The Billings sack was a thing of beauty. Seems more youngsters in and used more aggressively too.....
If DJ does not have at least 6-10 catches per game it is a criminal misuse of his talents. One of those TD passes was truly awesome (both the pass by Fields and the toe tap catch)....
WTF is up with all the injuries ? We had a FB left standing in the running back room. Sheesh......
Great to see them finish for once in 14 games. Wasn't the last time they won on MNF against NE ? Seem to recall Bill Burr was on the Manningcast.....
Why did it take this many weeks to seem to be a capable team ? Is it all smoke and mirrors (not-Redskins seemed kind of apathetic and felt they just had to show up and win)......
What is defensive pass interference anyway ? Asking for a friend.......
Good for the Bears. Lets see if they revert or can build upon this in some way......
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Everything everybody thought about this team has to be reevaluated.
Fuuckin aye baby we're almost out of running backs.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that DICK BUTKUS willed this win from Heaven ?
I was thinking the same thing.
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What is defensive pass interference anyway ? Asking for a friend.......
Exactly. The Bears got called for that one endzone pass and the ball landed 3-4 yards out of bounds and over the WR head. I don't know how in the hell that ball was catchable. At least they overturned the BS call when the DB turned and looked and the underthrown pass then tried turning around as the WR initiated contact with the DB to get to the underthrown ball. I was yelling no Fing way that is PI. My wife was yelling at me that it was because he wasn't looking for the ball when HE ran into her WR.
I almost got a divorce with my, "THANK YOU! I TOLD YOU SO! I KNOW WHAT THE FUKC I AM TALKING ABOUT."
Then she said at least the announcers agreed with her. I said they are not rules officials. Just dumb talking head jocks.
It was a fun night in the old Johnson household.
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I knew the Bears were going to win when they picked up that pass interference on the Bears on a not-Redskins big play. How many times has that gone the other way on this team ?
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Claypool - He gone! To Miami. Good riddance.
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Bears and Dolphins are exchanging late round picks as part of the deal…
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The Chase Claypool era in Chicago is over. The Bears announced on Friday that GM Ryan Poles traded the embattled wide receiver to the Miami Dolphins.
The Bears will send Claypool and 2025 seventh-round pick to Miami in exchange for a 2025 sixth-rounder.
The move ends a season-long drama between the team and the embattled wide receiver. Things got off to a bad start in Week 1 when Claypool appeared to put forth poor effort as a blocker and route runner. Claypool’s play was so lackadaisical there was speculation that head coach Matt Eberflus might bench him in Week 2. But Claypool made a point to apologize to his teammates, coaches and Poles and seemed to improve in the short term.
The changes didn’t last. Claypool called out coaches for using him improperly last Friday. One day later Claypool was made inactive for the team’s Week 4 game against the Broncos. Coaches said the decision to make Claypool inactive was unrelated to his comments, but Claypool may have made the comments if he saw the writing on the wall ahead of the team’s decision.
From there things spiraled. The team asked Claypool to stay at home for the Broncos game, then doubled down and kept him apart from the others in the week leading up to the Commanders game. Suffice it to say, he didn’t make the trip to Washington.
Now, Claypool gets a fresh start with a fresh coaching staff. If anyone can salvage Claypool’s career it’s probably the Dolphins. Head coach Mike McDaniel is an offensive wiz, known for maximizing his players’ strengths and using them in creative ways to succeed.
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]B]The Bears will send Claypool and 2025 seventh-round pick to Miami in exchange for a 2025 sixth-rounder.[/B]
You do realize thats basically a giveaway because next years draft is 2024, not 2025. OTOH Claypool is in the final year of his contract THIS year. He has to perform
or he doesnt get big money next year. IMHO Claypool put himself in this situation. He has nobody to blame but himself.
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Surprised they got more than a bag of chips and a soda for him. He was going to be released.......
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Butkus the best. I wore my only jersey I have, which is Butkus.
Me too. My facebook profile has me at Soldier wearing #51.
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I don't know what Claypool said but there was probably some truth to it. Was DJ Moore being used correctly against GB when he had 2 catches or 3 agains the Chiefs?
Claypool was tearing it up in training camp and now the Bears have nothing to show for it. Better hope Moore stays healthy or its Mooney, Velus Jones, and Tyler Scott.
Bench him for a couple games and move on.
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Always wondered how other successful teams seemed to use their play-makers a lot and the Bears ignore theirs. This is how other teams feels and now we do with DJ Moore....
And now I hear complaints on talk radio "JuSTin FIeLDs CaN't DiStRiBute TeH BaWL!".......
I swear that's why we can't have nice things on the Bears. Even when its good.... its bad.....
Enjoy the suck :D
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I've said this before. I like Fields, he has the tools to be a complete QB, but does he have it between the ears. I hope he builds from this game. Getsy needs to get his sh!t together as well..
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As we've said before, build the trenches... The two new DT's have been a disappointment up to this point.. And what can be said about Edmunds.. WTF?
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Regarding Claypool, that is a total fiasco.. I put a lot of this on the coaches.. Let's see what he does in Miami. It sounds to me that someone on the staff got butt hurt by something Claypool said. What'd we give for him, a second? We got sh!t in return..
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Outside of Jefferson ... what should be of concern with Minny ?
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Always wondered how other successful teams seemed to use their play-makers a lot and the Bears ignore theirs. This is how other teams feels and now we do with DJ Moore....
And now I hear complaints on talk radio "JuSTin FIeLDs CaN't DiStRiBute TeH BaWL!".......
I swear that's why we can't have nice things on the Bears. Even when its good.... its bad.....
Enjoy the suck :D
Thought the same thing. Criticism of Fields because who would he be without Moore?... lol How did Mahomes look without Kelce, etc There will still be some meatballs foisting the criticism no matter what.
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Outside of Jefferson ... what should be of concern with Minny ?
Jordan Addison? The tight end they acquired from Detroit?
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As we've said before, build the trenches... The two new DT's have been a disappointment up to this point.. And what can be said about Edmunds.. WTF?
Dexter was apparently credited with 6 QB pressures. Everyone was going ape when Carter had 7 in one game.
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Dexter was apparently credited with 6 QB pressures. Everyone was going ape when Carter had 7 in one game.
Apparently? Don't know, I haven't seen that. I did see he was credited with one tackle in the Washington game. He has zero sacks and zero forced fumbles for the year. We need production from the D line. Dexter is obviously still learning, and gets a pass as a rookie. But he has been less than impressive thus far, as has the line been as a whole..
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Just because...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWqX2LgXN4
Butkus with the extra point reception
(https://twitter.com/Ol_TimeFootball/status/1182882031371345920)
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The Bears got their first win of the season on Thursday night, but they reportedly lost a starter on offense for a while.
Running back Khalil Herbert suffered an ankle injury in the win over Washington and Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports that he will miss multiple weeks while he recovers.
Herbert ran nine times for 27 yards and caught three passes for 37 yards on Thursday. He has 51 carries for 272 yards and 10 catches for 83 yards and a touchdown on the season.
Rochon Johnson and Travis Homer are also dealing with injuries, which leaves D’Onta Foreman as the only healthy back in Chicago at the moment.
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So far it’s a good decision to draft Wright over Broderick Jones who hasn’t been able to start over the guy he was drafted to replace. He gets his first start today due to injury.
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if RoJo and Homer can't go, then Darrynton Evans probably becomes RB2.
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If Fields keeps doing what he's been doing at Minny ...
is RB all that important other then as a decoy ?
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I heard Tarik Cohen was attempting to come back this offseason. Wonder what he looks like and if he found a team?
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Cohen is on the Carolina PS.
I thought Young was ok but just too damn small and most people looked at the 2024 class as "generational." If ever there was a year to tank, it's this year. And the Bears got Carolina by the balls. If Justin plays well enough to justify the outrageous market price of $45 to 50 million a year, then he's got the mother of all trade proposals on his lap. But if not Poles will not hesitate to trade him and restart the clock if Warren allows him to stick around.
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Just because...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWqX2LgXN4
Butkus with the extra point reception
(https://twitter.com/Ol_TimeFootball/status/1182882031371345920)
Wow!
I was at that game against the Oilers where Butkus intercepts the ball and holds it up in front of the Oiler receiver. Earlier that game there was a fumble on the Bears goal line. Big pileup and Butkus emerges with the ball. I'm not sure how he got it but he did - probably bit someobody's hand or poked them in the eye.
The Bears were QB'd back by Bobby Douglass that day and throughout the game the fans would chant "Huff, Huff, Huff". He got into the game in the 2nd half - and he did what most Bears QBs have done over the past 50 years.
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Wow Dallas you're old! ;D
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I thought the same thing...
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That makes two of us. Thinking Dallas is about the same age as me. 61
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I'm a young buck here at 57 :D
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Yes, I am. Just turned 65, but people say I don't look a day over 64.
I started following the Bears in 1971. Jack Concannon and Kent Nix were the QBs. Gale Sayers' career was just about over. Dick Butkus was still a force but not the player he was in the 60s.
Payton was the best Bear ever but Butkus was my favorite. My Bears jersey - #51.
Favorite Butkus quote:
"I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately," Butkus replied tongue-in-cheek when asked about his on-field reputation. "Unless it was, you know, important ... like a league game or something."
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I got interested in football when my dad brought home one of the earliest VTRs (not VCRs). We had 2 tapes. The tape was like a very huge 8-track and the console was big as hell. One was some Warner Brothers cartoons and the other the original Football Follies.
I watched the follies until the tape wore out (which wasn't long, as the technology was still in its infant stages). That had to be in the early 70s (71-72 ? maybe)......
I was the only one in my family interested in this thing called football and the Bears, as bad as they were, were my hometown team and then they drafter Walter.....
We moved around after that, eventually overseas and I got to watch football delayed many weeks later on a real VCR. Tried following as best I could as I found someone who actually got the old Sporting News newspaper (again weeks late) to keep track of the Bears and the league in general.....
Finally graduated from HS, went to college and started out 2 of the best years of my life in 1985-86 (both football wise and otherwise). Eventually graduated and continued to follow the Bears, and getting into this thing on DirecTV that allowed me to watch full Bear games. Punched a hole in my basement wall (panel) after an aggravating Wanny OT loss in the 90s. Kept it there until I moved as a reminder not to do that again.....
I've stuck with them through thick and thin but the thin is now VERY thin as I despair of seeing them even get to another championship in my lifetime. I do enjoy the game and watching teams that seem to know what they are doing (was disappointment in the Bills this weekend to be sure)....
I'm still convinced there's a McCaskey curse though. It will take multiple championship titles to erase that one i think......
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I've stuck with them through thick and thin but the thin is now VERY thin as I despair of seeing them even get to another championship in my lifetime.
It took the Cubs over a 100 years or so since they won their last World Series (1908 - 2016). If the Bears do the same they should be due for their next Super Bowl win in...2093. I guess we should consider us lucky to be around in '85.
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Dallas seems to be the old guy, I'm 63. I started watching the Bears in the late 60's and early 70's (we lived in Downers Grove), not fanatically though. Moved to Virginia, and hardly ever saw a game. I remember watching a playoff game, maybe '77 against Dallas. Then when the Bears came to life in the 80's, I was fortunate to go to some games. I went to the playoff game in DC that the Bears won with Fuller at QB ('84). Went to the Superbowl in New Orleans, met Hampton, Dent, Marshall, Ditka, Ditka's wife. Seen 'em in Detroit, Tampa. Yep, the good ol days.. Bought a satellite dish after the '85 season (just to watch the Bears). Back then, you could get the original feed for the game, no commercials..
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Speaking of the Cubs, My Brother is/was a diehard Cubs fan. They were always on when I got home from school, channel 9, WGN. Been a Cubs fan forever.. Have I ever mentioned I hate the Cardinals more than any other professional sports team? Yes, more than a Favre lead Packers team..
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Helped George Halas finalize the NFL at the Hupmobile dealership in 1920 in a previous life.
Now I'm twelve years old and my pajamas bottoms are a pup tent when I wake up.
Is this normal ?
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I'll be 59 here in a couple weeks. Not too far behind the 'oldies' here ;D
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Man, y’all know how to make a guy feel young…thanks!
I’m 55.
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Never heard of VTR till now.
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You guys suck!! LOL!!!
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48 feeling like the youngster.
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Kids. I'm 73 and have watched too damn many Bear losses.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSccLqf6MQA
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Just turned 53. Planning to retire at 62. I suspected I was one of the younger folks here, but I did not realize it was by that much.
It gives me hope for the future as a lot of you guys up there in years are still pretty sharp. Some of the best posters here.
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I was in my thirties when I first started posting on the Trib board.. We've seen a lot in that time..
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Since everyone is sharing their story, yes, I'm 61. In 1968, I was a rabid everything fan. I wrote Butkus, Donny Anderson - Packers, Gary Cuozzo - Vikes, and received autograph pictures in the mail from each. Oh, and Cecil Turner. I received a team roster for every player in the league in a small book, and I memorized who every Bears player was by number. My uncles and family would ask me a number, and I would spit out who wore it that year. Like a little Rain Man.
I saw some of Butkus, but none of Sayers unfortunately. I was blessed to be a teenager when Payton came on the scene and was able to watch so many games and of course our Super Bowl. Lived in the Tampa area starting in the mid 90's and bought 4 season tickets for $600, for the last two seasons in the Big Sombrero, then saw the Bears open the new Raymond James field. While we were in the North, it was a good time to catch the Bears once a year in person until they moved the Bucs to the south. Every year, my wife and I would stay at the Embassy Suites in Tampa close to the game and party with the opposing teams incoming fans. Great times with of course Bears fans, Steelers, Redskins, and probably the most unique were the Packer fans in cow suits, women with mall hair, it was great! When the Bucs moved to the South, I got the Sunday Ticket the year it came out and have been watching them, every single unbearable to pleasurable minute, every game. It's a sickness.
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I'm 60 and I remember my dad had a motor hooked up to our tv antenna on the chimney of our house so he could spin it around to pick up the game better. Been a fan ever since.
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You guys make me feel like a teenager again.
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Since everyone is sharing their story, yes, I'm 61. In 1968, I was a rabid everything fan. I wrote Butkus, Donny Anderson - Packers, Gary Cuozzo - Vikes, and received autograph pictures in the mail from each. Oh, and Cecil Turner. I received a team roster for every player in the league in a small book, and I memorized who every Bears player was by number. My uncles and family would ask me a number, and I would spit out who wore it that year. Like a little Rain Man.
I saw some of Butkus, but none of Sayers unfortunately. I was blessed to be a teenager when Payton came on the scene and was able to watch so many games and of course our Super Bowl. Lived in the Tampa area starting in the mid 90's and bought 4 season tickets for $600, for the last two seasons in the Big Sombrero, then saw the Bears open the new Raymond James field. While we were in the North, it was a good time to catch the Bears once a year in person until they moved the Bucs to the south. Every year, my wife and I would stay at the Embassy Suites in Tampa close to the game and party with the opposing teams incoming fans. Great times with of course Bears fans, Steelers, Redskins, and probably the most unique were the Packer fans in cow suits, women with mall hair, it was great! When the Bucs moved to the South, I got the Sunday Ticket the year it came out and have been watching them, every single unbearable to pleasurable minute, every game. It's a sickness.
Cool.
Cecil Tuner? #21 I remember useless pieces of trivia, but I'll forget people's names 5 minutes after meeting them.
Sometimes I remember temporary 4 digit combinatons using old Bears players numbers. 4884 - that's Alan Ellis/Brian Bashnagel
I remember the Bears used to always beat up on Tampa when they were in our division. And now the Bucs have won 2 since the Bears victory in XX and been beating us quite a bit in recent matchups.
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You guys make me feel like a teenager again.
Fess up. You can't be older than me - or can you?
I need to find another board this one is too full of millenials.
Another story...short. I used to date a girl in Dallas who's mother was close friends with Diane Ditka. Unfortunately, by the time we were dating the Ditkas had already left the Cowboys (he was a coach there for a number of years) to become the Bears HC. Never did get a chance to meet Iron Mike - believe me I tried.
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This fuuckin shiit goes back when I signed on to the Trib board.
1996
BTW...
Does anybody know how to record vinyl LP's on to cassette tapes ?
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Fess up. You can't be older than me - or can you?
Probably. Do you remember the Chicago Cardinals RB Charlie Trippi? I was a fan of the Cardinals till they moved out of Chicago. Then I became a Bear fan.
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How old are you J man? I'm gonna guess 65....
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Cool.
Cecil Tuner? #21 I remember useless pieces of trivia, but I'll forget people's names 5 minutes after meeting them.
Sometimes I remember temporary 4 digit combinatons using old Bears players numbers. 4884 - that's Alan Ellis/Brian Bashnagel
I remember the Bears used to always beat up on Tampa when they were in our division. And now the Bucs have won 2 since the Bears victory in XX and been beating us quite a bit in recent matchups.
LOL my trailer lock is Kreutz/Thierry. I found the lock open on the road to 5794, and that's what it is today.
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Moore wins NFC Offensive Player of the Week (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/dj-moore-chosen-as-nfc-offensive-player-of-week-2023-week-5-commanders). I heard that the last Bears WR to win was MRob. When Alshon caught 12/249/2, he was snubbed and Carson Palmer won the award that week.
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They were saying on the radio that it was 23 years ago in 1999. Its a weekly award that the Bears have not won in all that time. What a travesty and indictment of the Bears offensive ineptitude.....
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LOL my trailer lock is Kreutz/Thierry. I found the lock open on the road to 5794, and that's what it is today.
My son’s last 4 on his cell phone are Urlacher/Urlacher…mine are Ryno/Sammy…
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I could tell you how I setup 8 plus character passwords for all my websites but then I'd have to kill you.
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How old are you J man? I'm gonna guess 65....
Haha. Thanks for the guess. I am a WWII baby.
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They were saying on the radio that it was 23 years ago in 1999. Its a weekly award that the Bears have not won in all that time. What a travesty and indictment of the Bears offensive ineptitude.....
I'm thinking that was just the last time a Bears receiver won it.
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Just returned from a trip off the grid and catching up enjoying everyone’s Bears fan story so I’ll chime in.
I grew up a little south of Chicago and every Sunday was off to grandma’s house for fried chicken. Dad watched the Bears after lunch but I wasn’t interested until I was old enough. My first memories are my dad marveling at Sayers run and saying he wasn’t as good as before he hurt his knee but was still a great back. Then after seeing Butkus he was my favorite player and was about the only thing to enjoy.
The first year I really watched was 1969 when they were 1-13. The only game I missed was one week I was fed up so went to an Elvis movie with my sister. Of course that day they thrashed the Steelers for the only win.
The following years were pretty bad but I was optimistic and after the games I would listen to the Mike Pyle show trying to figure out what happened and how they would get better.
Fast forward 1984 I had a lame delivery job out of college but every Wednesday I was in Lake Forest and realized I could watch the Bears practice. I could go up to a chain link fence and watch practice maybe 100 feet away. Could heard what coaches and players were saying. One thing that sticks is after the lineman went against each other Ditka blew a whistle for full team work. The linemen would meander to the area, offensive in a group first and the defense followed. McMichael would pick up footballs and high toss them at the OL who just ignored him.
1985 I was having no luck with getting a decent job as there was a bad economy and I moved to San Diego. Yes,1985. I found a Chicago sports bar run by a guy from Chicago who had no interest in sports. I watched the games with another guy who rarely spoke and an old guy who is the loudest and most passionate fan. The Bears weren’t quite as dominant during the regular season as everyone remembers and by halftime old Wes would look at me and say “we just might lose this game!” Then the playoffs came and as the Bears were dominating Wes would yell “this is the total destruction of a franchise!” It was great. I could step outside during breaks with the ocean a block away and 70 degrees in December.
The only thing missing was Bears news because I’m a Bears news junky. Since this was pre internet there was nothing. When I visited back in Chicago there was constant Bears news and a player on every talk show.
I found a news stand that carried the Sunday Suntimes and I actually drove 25 minutes to buy the paper just to read the sports section.
Now I’ve retired early and if I spent all day on Bears podcasts and the SCORE I would only see some of what’s available. How times have changed.”
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Justin Fields won the award last year when he threw 3 TDs and set the QB rushing record in a game against Miami. Theoretically, if EQ caught that 4th down pass, the refs called PI when Claypool was prom held, and Fields finished off a game winning drive...then no DJ Moore and no possible mind bender of Generational Caleb v. Resurgent Justin at the end of the season.
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Football season is a nice break from my day long listening of political podcasts. I will listen to mainly interviews on the Score and 1000. The Tape Never Lies has a solid podcast on Wednesdays and Greg Gabriel has a show on the Barroom Network. Outside of those, I pick and choose from the sportspyder feed (https://sportspyder.com/nfl/chicago-bears/podcasts).
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@adamjahns (https://twitter.com/adamjahns/status/1712180049200263254?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Offensive scheme changes for the Bears?
Some stats for you from
@TruMediaSports (https://twitter.com/TruMediaSports)
12 personnel snaps
Week 1: 3
Week 2: 8
Week 3: 6
Week 4: 14
Week 5: 27
Play-action % on early downs
Week 1: 19.4
Week 2: 20.8
Week 3: 23.5
Week 4: 46.4
Week 5: 40.9
1:55 PM · Oct 11, 2023
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I'm thinking that was just the last time a Bears receiver won it.
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Yeah. All 23 years. I think Jeffery got close with his 249 yards but didn't win it.....
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I meant Jman as in JJ lol....
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Just returned from a trip off the grid and catching up enjoying everyone’s Bears fan story so I’ll chime in.
I grew up a little south of Chicago and every Sunday was off to grandma’s house for fried chicken. Dad watched the Bears after lunch but I wasn’t interested until I was old enough. My first memories are my dad marveling at Sayers run and saying he wasn’t as good as before he hurt his knee but was still a great back. Then after seeing Butkus he was my favorite player and was about the only thing to enjoy.
The first year I really watched was 1969 when they were 1-13. The only game I missed was one week I was fed up so went to an Elvis movie with my sister. Of course that day they thrashed the Steelers for the only win.
The following years were pretty bad but I was optimistic and after the games I would listen to the Mike Pyle show trying to figure out what happened and how they would get better.
Fast forward 1984 I had a lame delivery job out of college but every Wednesday I was in Lake Forest and realized I could watch the Bears practice. I could go up to a chain link fence and watch practice maybe 100 feet away. Could heard what coaches and players were saying. One thing that sticks is after the lineman went against each other Ditka blew a whistle for full team work. The linemen would meander to the area, offensive in a group first and the defense followed. McMichael would pick up footballs and high toss them at the OL who just ignored him.
1985 I was having no luck with getting a decent job as there was a bad economy and I moved to San Diego. Yes,1985. I found a Chicago sports bar run by a guy from Chicago who had no interest in sports. I watched the games with another guy who rarely spoke and an old guy who is the loudest and most passionate fan. The Bears weren’t quite as dominant during the regular season as everyone remembers and by halftime old Wes would look at me and say “we just might lose this game!” Then the playoffs came and as the Bears were dominating Wes would yell “this is the total destruction of a franchise!” It was great. I could step outside during breaks with the ocean a block away and 70 degrees in December.
The only thing missing was Bears news because I’m a Bears news junky. Since this was pre internet there was nothing. When I visited back in Chicago there was constant Bears news and a player on every talk show.
I found a news stand that carried the Sunday Suntimes and I actually drove 25 minutes to buy the paper just to read the sports section.
Now I’ve retired early and if I spent all day on Bears podcasts and the SCORE I would only see some of what’s available. How times have changed.”
Didn't you subscribe to Bear Report?
I don't listen to podcasts or the Score - I used to watch the Tape Never lies segments when they were posted here, but that was last year.
I don't subscribe to the Sun Times or Trib but I do waste too much time on Facebook. Talk about a bunch of idiots. Yahoo seems to know I'm a fan and see a lot of Bears articles.
Now I got YouTube (not TV) and struggle with the remote and FF and rewind when I used to watch almost every play in slo-motion on DirecTV. And my wife thinks I'm absolutely insane and warns me that the neighbors will hear me screaming profane insults after every missed tackle or bad pass. I tell her every real fan does this, right?
It's my fun even after 14 losses in a row and over 50 years of mostly bad seasons. Victory is so much sweeter though.
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LOL yeah I wasn’t aware of the Bear report until later. I was paying for gas near Midway airport and happened to look down and see this Bear Report. I thought I had struck gold. I subscribed and it was a great 15 minutes of reading but too much like just one bite of desert.
I walk and drive a lot so I usually catch Agam Rank, some of CHGO and Under Center and pull up the SCORE shows on Audacy and listen to just the segments I like such as Brad Biggs of the trib. Otherwise too much talk about how their child was sick last night or what was the best 90’s football movie.
So much is on YouTube just by searching Chicago Bears. It’s great.
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' Minny still smells like a trap game.
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Hat tip to a thread (https://twitter.com/BearsNerd/status/1711439833195807188) by Matt Carstensen / @BearsNerd
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8A69hFXwAAVUPp?format=jpg&name=small)
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Yes, the Bear Report!
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We need a better Strength and Conditioning coach.
No secondary ... no RB's ?
WTF??
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The Bears probably have one of the worst weight-training and diet regime programs in the NFL with all the soft tissue injuries that keep piling up. Come on, fix that ****.........
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Bears running back Khalil Herbert was already expected to be out for multiple weeks. But now we know he’ll miss at least four.
Chicago has placed Herbert on injured reserve with his ankle injury on Friday.
Herbert suffered the injury during last Thursday’s win over the Commanders. He was one of three running backs ruled out for Sunday’s game against the Vikings.
Receiver Equanimeous St. Brown (hamstring) has also been placed on injured reserve, sidelining him for at least the next four games.
Chicago has filled one of the open roster spots by re-signing Nathan Peterman to the 53-man roster. Peterman has bounced between the active roster and the practice squad for the Bears a couple of times this year.
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1. Maybe we should only play on the road after four days off.
It worked at D.C.
2. How would you grade ANYONE of the F.A.'s we hired since the beginning of F.A.?
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So the Bears hire some guy to help Flus with scouting upcoming defenses. Feels like he's adding a Cello player to the Titanic while he fiddles with the deck chairs......
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Defense is getting back to full strength and showing some improvement.
Eberflus is fighting for his job he's going to continue to try to win games as best he can. But the guy that needs help is Getsy.
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Interesting hypothetical trade on Hoge and Jahns: Justin Fields to the Falcons for a '24 2nd rounder and a conditional '25 3rd rounder and QB Hieneke.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/matt-eberflus-has-telling-comments-on-justin-fields-part-in-getting-injured/ar-AA1imDoP?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=36e3d7e10b854cdd9757e32c89cdf7bd&ei=16
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Interesting hypothetical trade on Hoge and Jahns: Justin Fields to the Falcons for a '24 2nd rounder and a conditional '25 3rd rounder and QB Hieneke.
Isn't trade deadline the end of the month? Fields would have to be completely recovered from his injury and be able to play in at least 1 of the 3 games before the Falcons make that trade. Or does Hoge/Jahns think Fields value is at the highest right now?
At this point I think the Bears need to ride the season out with Fields at QB.
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They were discussing how his value might be less after the season is over, how Ryan Pace might push to get him, and if they wait until the offseason at least they would know where they are drafting. Lots of moving parts, and kind of interesting to think about.
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At least for now I’ve decided on an opinion on the Bears future.
As far as Fields goes the results are more bad than good. The question is how much better could he be with the right OC. Getsy lost my confidence opening day against the packers with a lousy game plan after the entire offseason to prepare. I thought maybe after the Washington game he would “get it” like he did for awhile last year when the Bears averaged 29 points a game for several weeks.
After Sunday I’m not confident in him at all. He call a WR screen that gets blown up so next he calls the same play to the other side. The OL blocking scheme didn’t match up with the blitzes. Brian Flores has always heavily blitzed, what did Getsy expect? They moved downfield largely running then stop when they get to the 6 yard line.
I’ve seen that Fields “can” do it but for some reason doesn’t do it 2/3 of the time. I want the Bears to hire an offense oriented head coach, maybe Ben Johnson the OC from the Lions who has brought out the best in Goff. Maybe Kellen MooreOC of the Chargers. Before last night they were the only team to score at least 24 points a game. Bienemy I hear clashes with players and tends to reach gridlock.
I would draft Harrison with one pick and trade down the other to get the pass rush improved and a better center in the second round.
Now all the pundits say this is the year to get a quarterback. They may be right but first round quarterbacks are still under 50% success rate. We saw the problems Williams has against a good defense. He didn’t play all that great against Arizona the week before. Then you would have to deal with his meddling dad too.
I would keep Poles. It was always interesting that he hired the coach that was on the list of three that George M. and Phillips had. He reached for Venus Jones and Claypool. Sometimes you swing for the fence and miss. All good GM’s have some whiffs.
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I would keep Poles. It was always interesting that he hired the coach that was on the list of three that George M. and Phillips had. He reached for Venus Jones and Claypool. Sometimes you swing for the fence and miss. All good GM’s have some whiffs.
It still annoys me that Poles and Eberflus share the same agent in Armstrong. Like it was some pre arranged package deal similar to when Acorsi shoved Fox down Pace's throat which was doomed from the start. Who knows, maybe Quinn would have at least hired a more competent OC. if Poles needed to be launched in order to give Harbaugh the keys I won't shed any tears. But for right now, I think Poles stays and my preference is Ben Johnson as the guy to get. He won't have the luxury of Detroit's OL in his next job. But his work with Goff has been impressive.
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And seriously, what is the harm in putting Kramer in at C. Whitehair can't snap and Patrick can't block.
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The success rate of finding a good QB in the early rounds is less than 50% but add in the Bears propensity to REALLY blow a QB pick and it drops to like 10%.....
And I'd be all in on getting a good trade for Fields. Better now than at the end of the season when there's more tape on him playing poorly....get something for him now....
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The success rate of finding a good QB in the early rounds is less than 50% but add in the Bears propensity to REALLY blow a QB pick and it drops to like 10%.....
And I'd be all in on getting a good trade for Fields. Better now than at the end of the season when there's more tape on him playing poorly....get something for him now....
Not a horrible idea.
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I disagree. Bears have 11 games to evaluate both Fields and Bagent. Fields after the Minnesota fiasco has a 91.6 rating which is ranked about even with Trevor Lawrence and ahead of guys like Prescott, Mayfield, Burrow and Hurts.
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Gotta be fake news...
The word is Riley would be open to an NFL job if he could follow Caleb Williams to the same franchise. If the Chicago Bears had the No. 1 pick, it would probably [be] ideal for this theory."
https://www.si.com/college/usc/football/rumors-lincoln-riley-reportedly-showing-interest-in-nfl-head-coaching-jobs-jf1989
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This is pathetic... Enough of the stupid clown car already.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1386744125577827?s=yWDuG2&fs=e&mibextid=Nif5oz
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Looks like the Bears are about to make Brian Hoyer look like a real bona-fide NFL QB sunday......
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I see the Raiders are favored. I guess if the Bears aren't the worst team, we're lucky that we old the number 1 pick for the team that is..
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If Riley is flirting with the NFL it would make sense for him career wise. He's not going burst into flames like psychopath Urban Meyer. Kingsbury was a bust after riding the coattails of both Mahomes and the McVay effect to the NFL. Then again while Kingsbury's record at Texas Tech was sub .500, Riley has won albeit with ready made rosters and only 1 bowl win to show for it. Meanwhile it appears Harbaugh is trying his damnedest to Pete Carroll his way back to the NFL. So if Warren wants to go the college route I suppose he has options.
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At the beginning of the season I felt that Bears were going to pull a Charlie Brown/Lucy scenario- build up hope then yank it away.
They exceeded that- Lucy pulled the ball, shot Charlie Brown and started sodomizing the now dead corpse.....
Inept is not the word. Its too nice a word......
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I'm sick of the group of sh!t coaches that we've had to endure over the years. Some guys were just not meant to be a head coach, everpuss is one of em. This team is bad, and I think that is a reflection of coaching more than anything.. Harbaugh did it before in San Fran. Can he do it again? Maybe... This franchise desperately needs a shakeup..
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I'm perfectly confident that the Bears will make the wrong choice whatever they do. They could not even pick better than a blind squirrel......
Let's see Brian Hoyer look like an all-pro QB today against this team......
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Some interesting insights from Bagent himself (you have to sift through it a bit but worth it if you have the time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZW_NETF_hg
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Chase Daniels likes Bagent:
https://youtu.be/c_D60XP-Ik8
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It's only one game, but I thought Bagent looked really good. Especially since it was his first full game. Let's see how he looks this weekend, at some point, he has to air the ball out. I honestly don't think Justin gets it. Third season, he should be catching on. Is it coaching? I guess.. I like Fields, but I want my team to win football games. The whole team played differently this past weekend..
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I can't disagree too much with your assessment of Fields, but Fields did put up some huge numbers recently. Can't blame him for the Vikings game where he had guys constantly running at home untouched and Getsy seemed oblivious.
I think we do all appreciate Bagent's ability to quickly evaluate the situation where after a few seconds of not finding a receiver open he's moving out of the pocket or throwing it away. You don't see him just standing there waiting for a guy to come open which is obviously one of Field's biggest problems.
One game at a time. Right now Bagent is starting. Will defenses make adjustments to his game? Will Bagent be able to open up more pages of the offense? Regardless of how well Bagent knows the offense he has had only one week of practice with the #1s. One thing I'd like him to do is find #85.
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85 was blocking a lot last week along with false starting.
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@BradBiggs
#Bears have now used 5 of maximum 8 designations to bring players back from IR:
Kyler Gordon
Doug Kramer
Teven Jenkins
Braxton Jones
Khalid Kareem
Others currently on IR: Khalil Herbert, Josh Blackwell, Equanimeous St. Brown
11:51 AM · Oct 25, 2023
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I did not know about the 8 player limit. It will be 6 when Herbert comes back in a few weeks.
Doesn't look good for Equanimeous. If one of the WRs is out I'd suspect they just bring up Nsimba Webster or Colin Johnson.
And now that Khalid Kareem is back its time to ship Dominique Robinson to the practice squad. The Bears have to have the worst DE talent in the NFL...again. I don't know that the upcoming draft will resolve this deficiency. They will have to be players in free agency this offseason or possibly make a trade before the deadline.
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Fess up. You can't be older than me - or can you?
I need to find another board this one is too full of millenials.
Another story...short. I used to date a girl in Dallas who's mother was close friends with Diane Ditka. Unfortunately, by the time we were dating the Ditkas had already left the Cowboys (he was a coach there for a number of years) to become the Bears HC. Never did get a chance to meet Iron Mike - believe me I tried.
You guys are all a bunch of kids. Anyone else here that can say they saw Butkus play when Butkus was in High School?
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You win the "old man" crown! ;D
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Only old as you feel. I still lift weights on a regular basis, practice martial arts, actually thinking about joining a boxing club. As soon as you hit the rocking chair it's all over with..
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Only old as you feel. I still lift weights on a regular basis, practice martial arts, actually thinking about joining a boxing club. As soon as you hit the rocking chair it's all over with..
Chif
Good for you. I work out 3 times a week to keep my girlish figure. Are you going to challenge us to get in the ring with you like panthermark used to?
As for Davep - be nice. He's the longest tenured Bears fan here.
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Lifting weights and at least 9 hours of sleep every night - beer and coffee to keep everything on schedule
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Funny you mention rocking chair...that's one of the things I'm definitely looking foward to after 30+ years of swing shift, lol
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Only old as you feel. I still lift weights on a regular basis, practice martial arts, actually thinking about joining a boxing club. As soon as you hit the rocking chair it's all over with..
Chif
Good for you. I work out 3 times a week to keep my girlish figure. Are you going to challenge us to get in the ring with you like panthermark used to?
As for Davep - be nice. He's the longest tenured Bears fan here.
LOL!! No, no challenging, I don't roll like that. The boxing does interest me though..
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Funny you mention rocking chair...that's one of the things I'm definitely looking foward to after 30+ years of swing shift, lol
I hear ya, 40 years of being a General Contractor has me wore out (burned out). No help, and no relief in sight.. Oh well, I'm pushing it for a few more years..
And, that swing shift stuff sucks. I feel for ya there..
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I graduated from Calumet in 1960, a year before Butkus graduated from CVS. The teams played each other once a year. Butkus played fullback and linebacker (two way players back then) and Mike Lind played the same positions for Calumet. Lind went on to Notre Dame, but was injured, and hardly played in college, but was good enough to get drafted anyway, I think by San Francisco.
By the way, I don't know if I am the oldest. Anyone else remember Johnny Lujack as the Bears QB/safety?
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I stopped lifting weights years ago, but maintain about 6 acres of property, spring to fall. So try to be outdoors strong, split wood, lots of tree limb debris pick up. Get walks in and some good hikes in the woods. Winter kind of sucks - but it's short in Nashville area. Just wet and cold not really much you can do in it. Seemingly always add a few pounds in the winter, might need to switch it up now.
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Think this (or some of this) will air Sunday night before the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQIlujsgSo0
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Our winters in Northern Indiana are long and suck. Wish they were short and cannot wait to snowbird a few short years from now to get away from it for a couple months. We like to walk but it gets much harder in the winter and the weight readily comes on unless we continually diet, which also sucks. We're trying to start one now...I say 'trying'....
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Lots of Chase Young smoke tonight, apparently…
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Easiest way to lose weight is to eat meat and cut back on potatoes and bread. It will come off pretty quick if you are active as well.
Don't be ridiculous and cut them out completely because then you will cheat and give up. If you usually eat all the fries just eat half then cut it back even more once you get used to it. Still eat bread but don't go crazy. So, eat the burger but just eat the edges that are crispy and tasty and leave the middle that is full of high calorie condiments. Or take the burger off and eat it but leave the bun.
Eat what you like but do it in smaller portions. I dropped 35 pounds and have kept it off for 4 years easily and I still drink lots of beer daily. 5' 9" at 165#. I was up to almost 200# before I started doing this.
To be fair I don't eat much in the way of sweet food. But if you do as long as you keep it under control and don't also drink alcohol you should still be able to do it.
It came off effortlessly with just a little bit of self control and now that I have made it a habit of weighing myself daily I just cut back eating a little if I see a few pounds of weight gain and I am back on track.
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Lots of Chase Young smoke tonight, apparently…
I am not sure I want our Bears to go after Young. Big contract and questionable wheels. And this issue has been brought up here
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Think this (or some of this) will air Sunday night before the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQIlujsgSo0
Good video. The kid seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I can't believe the Bears fans that are going out of their way to minimize Bagant. Then on the other hand, there have been some that think we found the next coming. I like what I see, but he's only started one game. He needs to show that he has an NFL arm and can air it out when necessary. I don't believe in airing it out just to throw down field, be smart about it. As long as we keep moving the ball I'm happy. Let's see what he does tonight, big game..
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Regarding Fields. I've said this several times, he just doesn't get it. It very well could hit him one day, it just hasn't come to him yet. I'm not opposed to going into next season with Bagant and Fields, let them battle it out. I say that, without seeing Bagant play more. I give Bagant several games to see what he does, we've seen what Fields can do. Fields has had some games that he looked better, but it hasn't translated to wins.
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I don't think that most Bear fans are trying to "minimumize" Bagent. But they are faced with two different possibilities.
Bagant appears to have the ability to be a competant QB, (perhaps somewhat better than competant), but lacks the physical talent to be an elite QB. At this point, he is quite likely to have better near-term success than fields. A much higher floor, but a much lower ceiling that Fields.
Fields has the physical talent to be truly elite at the position. But has not yet been able to master the intangibles of the game that would bring him to that level, and it is questionable if he ever will. A much higher ceiling, but much lower floor than Bagant.
And it is all complicated by the fact that the front office ignored one of the basic tenants of footbball. Build a top-flite offensive line BEFORE you bring in your quarterback of the future. It is the only way you can properly evaluate him.
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This is older but it came across my plate this morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afvxGiReO3w
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I don't think that most Bear fans are trying to "minimumize" Bagent. But they are faced with two different possibilities.
Bagant appears to have the ability to be a competant QB, (perhaps somewhat better than competant), but lacks the physical talent to be an elite QB. At this point, he is quite likely to have better near-term success than fields. A much higher floor, but a much lower ceiling that Fields.
Fields has the physical talent to be truly elite at the position. But has not yet been able to master the intangibles of the game that would bring him to that level, and it is questionable if he ever will. A much higher ceiling, but much lower floor than Bagant.
And it is all complicated by the fact that the front office ignored one of the basic tenants of footbball. Build a top-flite offensive line BEFORE you bring in your quarterback of the future. It is the only way you can properly evaluate him.
I agree with everything except your last comment. Bears thought they had a chance to trade up and get a franchise quality QB. Once you find that guy then you can start building the rest of the team.
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This team is hopelessly pitiful.....I see zero hope for this team. Year after year, same crap....used to care and really don't anymore, it's not worth it....
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Let's not forget, Bagent was a D2 undrafted QB, that within his first season, beat out the back-up (who is starting for the Browns), made the roster, was elevated to #2, subbed for the injured one, and then won his first start. That is really incredible. It's unreal. I think you give him a few years in the league and he is a serviceable starter, or a tremendous back-up, ala Frank Reich.
Fields is 24 years old. I just think with a good line, and more experience, he can be the one. Drafting another B doesn't appeal to me, and it appeals to a lot of teams. We can get better quickly with the haul we will get with high draft picks and proven players in return for one of the two lottery picks we have in the first round.
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Bagent is a good QB2. At least it seems they Bears have found that in this waste of a season.....
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We have to spend some capitol on the defense. The d line sucks, and the linebackers suck about as much. We need a defense..
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I agree, Bagent has shown thus far that he is an adequate #2. He can come in and take over when the starter gets injured. I'd like to see him start at least one more game. What do we have to lose at this point.. This franchise has to make a decision about Fields. This is his 3rd season, if he's the starter come hell or high water, so be it. It seems the Bears are in this position perpetually. Most teams move on from QB and/or coach as soon as they show signs of fault..
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The Dline is atrocious and the rest isn't much better. The safeties are utterly worthless and desperately need upgraded. This is one of the weakest D's the Bears have ever had....
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Should Ryan Poles wrap his lips around the barrel of a loaded firearm?
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Jaylon Johnson has now requested a trade. Cant say I blame him, with the way Poles has dicked him around. He is good, you didnt draft him, pay him anyways. You cant get rid of every good player you didnt draft dummy. Now I hope Warren gets rid of Poles and Eberflush and the rest of the coaches at the end of the year. Dont let Poles pick another coach and draft picks.
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They have to give this whole organization an enema to clean out the **** that has accumulated there. Warren may actually be part of the problem too (has he done ANYTHING positive to field a better team on the field ?)
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Jaylon Johnson wants out and has requested to be traded which has been granted. He wants top-dollar money but has not proven he can stay healthy and be a little more consistent with his turnovers. Good player. Don't see him playing here though.....
Its apparent the Bears fired an incompetent GM (Ryan) and hired another incompetent (Ryan) who both hired inept head coaches (ironically with the same first name of Matt). I joked at the time that the reason they did this was so that George would not have to re-remember first names of two of his most important employees. Not looking like a joke anymore but unfortunately, the Bears are......
Its the McCaskey curse.....
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@RapSheet
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Sources: The #Bears and #Commanders are in agreement on a massive trade for star pass-rusher Montez Sweat to land in Chicago in exchange for a 2nd round pick.
10:42 AM · Oct 31, 2023
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So now I feel a little better if the Bears can recoup a 2nd for JJ if another team can agree to his terms...
@ggabefootball
Been told in last 45 min by an uninvolved 3rd party that word around the League is Johnson’s asking price is way out of line. This person is very well connected, so I trust his info
10:32 AM · Oct 31, 2023
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I would sign Jaylon Johnson but last time I looked he was ranked #2 of all CBs in the NFL by PFF. I would have signed him prior to his big 2 interception game against the Raiders. My guess is he's probably upping his price based on those 2 events and that's causing the conflict.
Unless Bears get a #1 for him they'll have to draft a replacement anyway with a fairly high pick they get in return.
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@RapSheet
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Sources: The #Bears and #Commanders are in agreement on a massive trade for star pass-rusher Montez Sweat to land in Chicago in exchange for a 2nd round pick.
10:42 AM · Oct 31, 2023
He's a stud. He just turned 27. I'd have preferred the younger Chase Young who's 24. I was hoping for a 3rd or at least a couple of 3s. But pass rushers are difficult to find and more difficult to draft.
I liked #52's energy - I think Dominique Robinson not only goes to the PS but has to give up his #90 to Sweat.
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I prefer Sweat over Young. Young has an injury history to deal with. If were going to give up a 2nd then Sweat is the guy. And I watch all the Commanders games. I would rather have Sweat who was still productive when Young was nursing all his injuries the last couple of years.
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The San Francisco 49ers and Buffalo Bills are among the teams discussing potential trades for Chicago Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, a source told ESPN's Ed Werder. The Dallas Cowboys, to this point, have not been involved.
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I prefer Sweat over Young. Young has an injury history to deal with. If were going to give up a 2nd then Sweat is the guy. And I watch all the Commanders games. I would rather have Sweat who was still productive when Young was nursing all his injuries the last couple of years.
The Commanders preferred to keep Young, probably because of his age. Looking at production recent and past, as well as injury history Sweat is the better player now. He's also strong against the run.
Is Sweat purley a LDE?
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Sounds like a bidding war between Philly and SF for JJ. Hopefully that will be fruitful comp wise for the Bears. Still prefer to keep him though...
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Is Sweat purley a LDE?
I don't remember him playing anywhere else as he always played it since Young was opposite of him.
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The Bears actually DID something. The wonder of it all.
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I expect this also
Means the Eberflus isn’t going anywhere. You don’t give up draft picks for defensive players if you are going to ax your defensive scheme.
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i believe Sweat played OLB in a 34 system before Rivera. This trade has zero to do with that clueless rudderless gutless worthless lyin' all time losingest coach in Bears history fubared dope.
Considering he got the green light to trade for and eventually sign Sweat to a major deal, it does appear that Poles is safe.
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Since JJ was told to seek his own trade I suspect he’s not going to find the money he’s looking for and will stay.
Terrell Smiths play let Poles know he has a replacement I think.
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I have no problems with the moves Poles has made. I even thought the Claypool move was ok. It turned out not to be so. Not every move is going to be the right move. Some will be right and some will be wrong. That was wrong. I believe he has made more right than wrong moves with the roster. There I said it.
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Off topic, but Chase Young is going to SF for a conditional 3rd per Glazer. They probably don't have the money to satisfy JJ's price especially if they plan to extend Young if he stays healthy.
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****, that’s a low 3 too…I think I would have given a 3 for Young and smiled…
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And reportedly it’s not even SF’s #3…it’s a comp pick they got for developing a minority exec…
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A lot there depends on the prognosis of Chase Young’s knee over time.
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I have no problems with the moves Poles has made. I even thought the Claypool move was ok. It turned out not to be so. Not every move is going to be the right move. Some will be right and some will be wrong. That was wrong. I believe he has made more right than wrong moves with the roster. There I said it.
Like Cowherd says, you have to take some big swings to get to the top and there will be some misses.
Look at the 49ers swings some hits a lot of misses.
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Well it looks like we have one DE worth a shiit.
If we trade down next draft and get a first and second with one of our two first round picks Sweat is a freebie if the contract works out.
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Reading the tea-leaves, does this mean Poles (and maybe Everlose) come back next year ? Kind of like that other Ryan and Matt combo who were allowed to draft Justin Fields and hang around despite being incompetent ? I really hope this is not like a groundhog-day like experience.....
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Reading the tea-leaves, does this mean Poles (and maybe Everlose) come back next year ?
I think Poles gets to finish the rebuild. He is back. Eberflous I think they will let Poles fire him and choose the next HC. If you remember they allowed him to choose Eberflous but he was already on a short list of coaches they had already interviewed.
The trade today also tells you Poles has big balls. He could have let them shrink back up after the Claypool fiasco but he got back up to the plate and took another swing at it.
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So Poles first order of business is to get some kind of a contract done on Sweat. Otherwise, it will go down as a sh!t move. Unless I'm missing something..
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Is Poles trying to open up one of the first round picks for QB? Could be.. For sure need to fix both lines...
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Travis Bell picked off by Atlanta. Happy for him, but he could have been a nice developmental player for the Bears. Should have been on the 53 instead of DRob.
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If you look at the players closely, Sweat looks better than Young.
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I agree with everything except your last comment. Bears thought they had a chance to trade up and get a franchise quality QB. Once you find that guy then you can start building the rest of the team.
No quarterback can perform well if the O Line can not keep the rush away from him. Nor can he perform if he get's seriously injured by running for his life.
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Well when we've got a center that randomly snaps the ball over and around the QB and guards who grapple with themselves instead of the opposition it makes it hard to judge a QB. Why they keep having issues with snaps is, really, absurd. This team cannot tackle, the lines are not operating as they should, and penalties rule the day. This is on the coaching staff but it makes one wonder what kind of players are coming out of the college ranks that cannot do football basics at the NFL LEVEL.
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Travis Bell picked off by Atlanta. Happy for him, but he could have been a nice developmental player for the Bears. Should have been on the 53 instead of DRob.
That sucks. Both the Bears starters are FAs next year, which means signing new FA talent at DT and/or drafting another DT. Not saying he was going to start but he could have been in the mix for depth.
Fields gets another game to learn from Bagent how to get rid of the ball quickly. If Fields can prove himself over the last half of the season and Braxton Jones can do the same the Bears can go into the '24 draft targetting Harrison and the best DE/best 3 technique DT in R1. Maybe a trade down of that 2nd first rounder for another high pick.
Still have holes at center and free safety.
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Don't forget the holes in the head of this coaching staff......
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Best case scenario. Bears sign Sweat and Johnson to long term deals. Fields and Braxton Jones show promise the rest of the way. Bears end up with #1 overall from Carolina and deal the pick for a blue chip player and several # 1s, and use their 2nd 1 on an offensive lineman, depending on how high their pick is.
Papa Bear, we need some divine intervention to make this all happen!
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@adamjahns
The Bears have fired running backs coach David Walker, according to multiple league sources. The team’s human resources department was involved in the decision. From @kfishbain and myself.
7:28 AM · Nov 1, 2023
Poles biggest mistake is not Claypool or Jones. It is getting nudged/conned into hiring his agent's other client as HC who then hired 2 misfits who have been fired with HR intervention and an OC who has never called an NFL game before and thinks he can turn anyone into a poor man's Rodgers.
Maybe Matt could add interim RB coach to his resume when he interviews for a job next year.
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Funny but we have had success with pretty much ALL of the RBs, yet that is the coach we fire. Now unless he had **** on his computer, doesnt really make sense.
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The Bears have fired running backs coach David Walker, according to multiple league sources. The team’s human resources department was involved in the decision.
This leads to believing it was not a job performance issue that got him fired. Who knows what it could have been. Maybe it was a sexual harassment complaint form a secretary in the building. Could be anything.
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Apparently, 4 teams passed on Chase Young because of medical issues with knees and hip.
Just listening to the radio.
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Apparently, 4 teams passed on Chase Young because of medical issues with knees and hip.
Just listening to the radio.
I did not know about the hip. 49ers got him for a conditional 3rd which is about the same as a Bears 4th. If Washington traded him AFTER trading Sweat you know they didn't want to give him a long term deal despite this year's production and the fact that he's only 24.
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Another benefit of adding Sweat this year....
How much better is Wright going to get practicing against him? One caller just made that great point. It is only going to make Wright better at his job.
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A couple random thoughts.
Sweat and Chase have both benefitted from playing with each other and more importantly the play of the 2 inside guys that are pro-bowl quality. Sweat will have to earn every sack he gets with the Bears.
Jaylon Johnson is now going to let his play determine his value at year-end. That can work 2 ways. He can continue his play and supposedely drive up his value or he could get injured. I think its best for both parties to come to an agreement. Last time I checked he was #2 in PFF ranking but he hasn't been the most durable guy and aside from his 2 recent picks against 2 lousy Raider QBs - he's had one pick his entire career. Don't be surprised if the Bears tag him. Also Terrell Smith should be about over his mono - his play here on out may also come into play.
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If Poles did not have some kind of deal in place for a long-term contract for Sweat then he needs to be shitcanned immediately ! You don't do trade a high draft asset for a partial season rental on a season you are not going anywhere.....
And what is it with these assistant coaches getting shitcanned by HR ?
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Chubb signed an extension 2 days after he was traded. Pace got Mack signed as soon as he got in the door. If Sweat doesn't get a deal signed before N.O., then that is on Poles AND Warren.
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And what is it with these assistant coaches getting shitcanned by HR ?
I know nobody likes to hear a positive take regarding the Bears, but these HR issues could be evidence that behavior that used to go unpunished is now no longer tolerated under Warren/Poles.
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Exactly what Poles said in his presser. You can go the quiet way and brush it under the rug, or the loud way and set the standard for everyone to see. Much more messy to go the loud way.
Interesting that Williams and now Walker were both fired for conduct issues. Poles didn't speak to specifics, but said how you conduct yourself in the building, in the hallways, etc - that there is a standard. I've been in a management role, and just being a jerk doesn't get you fired quickly. Sexual harassment can. I get the sense this was conduct related, and sexual harassment or making vilent threats are some of those no tolerance, one strike and you are out.
Poles also didn't sound like someone who was going to be terminating Eberflus at season's end. He had a lot of praise for Eberflus, and keeping the team competitive, not folding.
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To be clear, HR is not there to help the employee. That is a fallacy and having worked for and under HR in 2 major corporations I can tell you this is a fact.
It is there to deflect and help avoid lawsuits to the company. Period. End of story.....
And HR gets as many things wrong as right. There are petty jealousies and territory to be fought over (just like any department in a large corporation). Never **** off an HR person or your life will be living hell, even more so than if you **** off your boss (who will refer the problem to HR).....
If he got let go I hope it was for something substantial (waving his junk at somebody or something) and not because he said the wrong word to the wrong person....
As just one example I've seen a man near retirement get screwed out of it because he was an old school Southern gentlemen- said m'am and sir folks, held doors open to women etc and just because he would sometimes use the word "darling" or "my dear" to the wrong offendable employees he was fired. Good worker, reliable. Saw a memo that he had pissed off the HR lady and she was so petty as to try to get him hired. And he got screwed out of his job.....
And the culture in HH is "awesome". That's as bad as Nagy's "You be You"......
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As just one example I've seen a man near retirement get screwed out of it because he was an old school Southern gentlemen- said m'am and sir folks, held doors open to women etc and just because he would sometimes use the word "darling" or "my dear" to the wrong offendable employees he was fired.
Being and old school Southern gentleman is not an excuse to use offendable words. That being said, doing it one time is not Sexual Harassment. If he was fired for doing it one time I think he would have a pretty good lawsuit to bring against the company. My guess is there is more to the story. He would have had to of been warned that the language he was using is offending other female employees and he had to have been asked to stop referring to female employees in such a manner. Then if he continued to use the offensive term it would be a terminable offense.
The stickler is that it doesn't necessarily have to be the receiver of the "offensive" language that makes the complaint. He might be calling one employee darling and she has no problem with it but another female could file a complaint just as easily merely because she heard him use the term that they found offensive to women. Words like darling, dear, sweetheart are inappropriate references to women in the workplace.
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Its as I said- HR is there to protect the company from lawsuits not help the employees (unless in the context of getting more work and better work out of them)......
But these were Fortune 500 companies with lots of territories (meaning are executive VP of executive VP of another etc etc). It was a little different in the smaller company I started out with and was legitimately impressed and sold with what they did. Its only when I went to the larger entities I actually saw how corporate politics works (and absolutely despise it). Part of the reason I took early retirement......
Bears (and NFL in general) reeks of the stench of politics over performance.....
BTW interesting nugget from (I think it was CHGO) with Brian Baldinger. They asked whether the Bears were a joke around the league and he said "No they are not even paid attention to in most circles" (or words to that effect). It might have been tongue in cheek but the best humor usually has a grain of truth in it......
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No argument that HR is there to protect companies from lawsuits. In fact, some infractions that managers feel should lead to termination do not. It is difficult (as it should be) to term an employee for performance. Overly difficult in some situations. And for LOA, don't get me started. But I understand there is a bigger picture that I don't see, which includes protecting the company, but also protecting the employee,
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Bears have signed Sweat. 4 years $98
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$98 is dirt cheap....You'd have thunk he would have sat out for anything under $100....
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That pretty much guarantees he should be on the field tomorrow. If he had not signed I'd think his agent and him would have pushed for him to be "not ready" as it would have been a gamble on his part (in case he got hurt)....
Thankfully Poles did not Flus this one up......
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Hasn't played a single game for Bears yet......
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I don't watch the Redskins much (hardly at all). All I can do is go by what you guys are saying, but it sounds like a good signing by Poles. Let's hope this isn't one of those Bryan Cox deals... I really like the move because it changes the dynamics of the draft...
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The Tyson Bagent experiment is done. He will be a serviceable back up QB. Let’s get QB1 back on the field and see if he can continue the production he was having before the Minnesota game.
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Maybe he can use his former understudy as inspiration. Slowik is on my interview list for sure.
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So we have one rookie QB and a bad starter.....time for another QB upgrade next draft....
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So we have one rookie QB and a bad starter.....time for another QB upgrade next draft....
Any names come to mind ?
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So we have one rookie QB and a bad starter.....time for another QB upgrade next draft....
Fields actually had a couple good games prior to the Viking fiasco where they rushed 6 and Getsy gave Fields little chance to do anything. Hopefully his thumb is strong enough to play against the Panthers.
Getsy seems to be making some better calls as of late. Still would like to see him incorporate more receivers than Money, Moore and Kmet. Where is Tyler Scott? If Bears don't re-sign Mooney Bears are going to need to get at least a couple more receivers next year.
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Justin Fields is a terrible football player.
Luke Getsy is a ****.
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Bears have a backup QB. A good receiver. Some decent RBs. Promising pieces at edge and Tackle. Some parts in the secondary. That's it. Nothing coherent to build with- just a mismatched set of tinker toys Poles has brought in held together by the nothingness of the HITS principle by his head coach the bozos he brought with him.
Just when you think the franchise cannot fall any farther down they say "hold my beer" and auger in some more.......
Dark days for Beardom (sounds almost like a heavy metal album title)......
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Cardinals picked Doug Kramer off the practice squad. If this were a competent team I'd say they were doing a little advanced scouting for their future matchup. The problem with that is
A. The Cardinals are in full tank mode and not appearing too competent at the moment.
B. As if it would take anyone but a child to figure out what the Bears offense will do.
But I've got an option C:
Its a devilish masterplan to take a guy who is a dedicated center and supposedly snap the ball and let the Bears keep the misfit centers who CANT snap the ball. Because, you know Poles won't do anything to bring in an ACTUAL center who can snap the ball.....
Genius ! :D
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Future center Josh Kruetz. Sophmore #11 graded center nationally by PFF. Family ties to the team... A dad who knows leadership and how to play center.
I mean if he is a Sophmore, still has a couple years to mature and is already graded as the 11th best center in College Football. That could equal awesomeness. How often do OL leave college early? He would have to at least play his junior year next year I would assume to try to raise he draft stock. Maybe both years to get into the first round if possible.
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How often are centers taken in the first round?
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It looks like certainly not high picks in the first anyway.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/centers-drafted-in-the-2022-nfl-draft/
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I was thinking if they trade back one or the first rounders and pick up an early second there’s the Georgia center Van Ness who’s supposed to be the best to be available the last few years.
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Odds are that if the Bears draft a center, they will play him at guard or tackle, if this (and past) coaching staffs are any indication. Square peg get in the round hole dammit !
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How often are centers taken in the first round?
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2022/7/13/23206891/where-was-the-average-nfl-offensive-starter-drafted-by-position
Where was the average NFL offensive starter drafted, by position?
Where a player was drafted matters. Not necessarily in a specific case - No one would take Sam Darnold (1st rounder) over Tom Brady (6th rounder). But in aggregate, players drafted higher in the draft perform better.
But looking at the NFL as a whole, who's actually starting the games at each position? How many 1st rounders, how many UDFAs, etc?
This article focuses on the offensive side of the ball.
I've pulled together data from all players who've played between 2007 and 2021, and will talk a little about how the offensive positions break down by where starting players were originally drafted.
An important caveat at the beginning:
In order to understand this data correctly, it's important to know what exactly it is. Specifically, what is a 'starter'? I classified a player's season as a 'starting season' if that player reached certain positional thresholds for snap count. In other words, I'm defining a starter by how much they played that year, not by a team's intentions going into the season.
What this means is that probably all my numbers are going to skew slightly more toward lower round guys and UDFAs. Because every season, plenty of starters get injured early in the year and replaced, and it's generally going to be higher round players being replaced by low round picks and UDFAs.
I don't think this is a fatal flaw in the data or anything - That's the way the NFL works, and I want to see what players are actually playing. But it's worth keeping in mind.
Anyway, on to the data.
I am just posting the center position from 2017 - 2021, by where they were drafted. For the whole chart follow the link
| Round | Center |
| 1 | 16% |
| 2 | 20% |
| 3 | 11% |
| 4 | 11% |
| 5 | 7% |
| 6 | 16% |
| 7 | 4% |
| UDFA | 16% |
Breaking OT Down by Left and Right Tackle
To begin, it's worth noting that unlike QB, WR and RB, the round distributions of offensive linemen aren't really changing over the 15 year sample. Teams are still starting OLinemen at about the same distribution over time.
But there is one further area to break down that illuminates something worth knowing.
One of the big weaknesses of my database is that all OTs are simply labeled as OT, not left/right tackles. But the league treats these positions differently.
I went ahead and manually pulled LT/RT data from PFF/PFR for the 2019-2021 starters.
| 2019-2021 | | 17-21 | 17-21 |
| Round | LT | RT | C | G |
| 1 | 51% | 20% | 16% | 18% |
| 2-3 | 19% | 31% | 31% | 37% |
| 4-7 | 15% | 26% | 37% | 26% |
| UDFA | 15% | 23% | 16% | 19% |
The results are dramatic. LT is a premium position, even approaching that of QB, with more than 51% of starters being 1st rounders. RT, on the other hand, is very much in line with center and guard. In fact, RT has the highest percentage of UDFAs starting.
From a roster construction standpoint, it looks to me like LT is the position you want to spend 1st round draft capital on, but that filling out the rest of your OLine can potentially be done in the later rounds and with UDFAs.
I'm certainly not saying it's never worth it to spend an early pick on stud RT, G, or C. But what league trends show is that plenty of teams are making do with lower picks and UDFAs just fine. The same is not necessarily true of LT.
Final Thoughts
- Get your QB in the first round, because that's where you need to find him. And nothing is more important than finding him.
- Get your LT in the first round. Until you have your QB and LT, it's probably never a bad idea to spend a 1st rounder on those two positions.
- You can build the rest of an offensive line in the later rounds or even with UDFAs if you've got a good eye for talent.
- Get your stud WRs in the first two (maybe three) rounds. And spend more picks on WRs, because you need tons of them and a high % of UDFAs are playing big snaps right now.
- Don't spend 1st rounders on RBs, but don't neglect the position in the draft. Not many UDFA RBs are doing much.
Of course, all those rules are dependent on the active state of your roster. And it's absolutely possible to find a stud WR in the 5th round or an UDFA LT. None of this is set in stone.
But I think that's a decent encapsulation of what these numbers are saying about talent distribution by draft status on the offensive side of the ball.
The rest of the article that I skipped and didn't post is certainly a good read. Follow the link for the entire article and breakdown by positions.
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I was thinking if they trade back one or the first rounders and pick up an early second there’s the Georgia center Van Ness who’s supposed to be the best to be available the last few years.
Sedrick Van Pran, and yes! We may have to trade back into the 2nd round to get him, though…or pick up a high 2 if we trade down with one of the 1’s…
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Something that can skew results is that high round draft picks that underperform have a bigger chance of getting a second chance (somebody saw something in him lets give him a shot) as opposed to a late round pick. As a result that second chance can help them develop (or grow up and realize that their communication degree does not pay the bills)......
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Too bad the Bears lost Kramer. He's 3rd string in Atlanta on their depth chart. I'm wondering why is Carter still on the 53 man. He probably won't be when Davis gets off IR.
We are not losing game because of center play. If Bears decide to keep Fields AND Braxton then one of those #1s has to go to a pass rusher and the other possibly to MHJ assuming he's a generational talent kind of guy.
Additionally, if the Bears cut Jackson they'll need a FS too. Not saying to ignore center and go with Patrick/Whitehair but maybe draft one in the 3rd or 4th round and there's always free agency.
All our pass rushing ends are underperforming their career numbers - will Montez Sweat join the club?
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We need a DT that can get some pressure up the middle. Our DT's have been less than stellar...
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Bears have a manageable list of wideouts. LBs could use a player there. Safety could definitely use help and Jackson gone. Could use corner help. Dline needs serious attention so that needs to be a first, second round focus. Oline could use a couple more and definitely a new center. QB? End of the season will tell the tale and most likely this will take one of the 2 1st rounders. It'll need to be QB, DE/T, OL, S, C, LB.
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Ever the optimist here, but what if Brisker and Jackson both stay on the field the rest of the way and healthy at season's end? Jackson could have just had some scar tissue to breakdown. Brisker seemingly has had bad luck in his second season.
When you look around the league, injuries are everywhere. It's depth that allows the good teams to stay competitive and weather the injury storms. We won't get better by releasing good players, and filling them with rookies. We need to take our solid players and either draft their replacements, or add through FA. Now players on expiring contracts, that is another subject, but for players that we have, let's be careful that we aren't creating holes.
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Jackson has to excel the rest of the way out or he's a goner. 2024 is his last year in his deal and he's making $14M. I don't know what the savings is if he's cut maybe $12M.
It will be interesting to see if Whitehair goes back to center when Davis returns (also if Jenkins moves back to LG). Whitehair is also in his last year in 2024 making $10M.
Guys out of contract include Justin Jones, Ngakoue, Santos, Patrick, Jaylon Johnson, Mooney, Tonyan, Raheem Green, EQ St. Brown, Feeney, Marcedes Lewis, Blackwell and Dontae Foreman.
Can't re-sign them all - Bears will again be big players in JAG free agency.
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Filling in the pieces on OFFENSIVE LINE thru the draft ... well we have Braxton Jones , Teven Jenkins , Darnell Wright ...
what screams for need is the JAY HILGENBERG/OLIN KREUTZ at CENTER and in what round ?
We can't keep ignoring this people. >:( It's costing us.
Assuming we don't get our second round pick back via trade I vote CENTER first pick third round.
Any objections ?
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Any objections ?
Yes. Best player available.
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Yes. Best player available.
Still need a CENTER.
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Yes, we do. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Yes, we do. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Yes it does.
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Don't be a dope. No offense to you personally.
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No way do the Bears draft a center as early as round 2.
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They need a center. Patrick's deal is up and we'll find out how much they like Whitehair when Davis comes back. Assuming Davis come back. Whitehair is in the last year of pretty pricey contract.
Bears will sign a FA type center and may or may not draft a center as early as the 3rd or 4th, but they will draft a center.
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Why is the middle of the offensive line, the one who connects with the Q.B. constantly, considered not worthy of a pick higher then what projected ?
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It would be nice to have someone who can consistently hold their ground and actually get the ball back to the QB on the snap. Watched a lot of games this weekend and noticed a few bad snaps in a lot of games, but not with the regularity the Bears seem to do.
The center touches the ball EVERY play. Force-fitting guys into it is just asinine. And that is just the way this staff (and the previous staff and the one before that) go !
Bears are past masters at square-peg round-hole methodology...
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Patrick has done OK snapping but is an adequate blocker. Whitehair is a better blocker but his snaps are maddening.
It will be interesting to what the Eberflus does when Davis returns. Will Jenkins switch back to LG and will Whitehair go back to center? Most likely there will be a new starting center for the Bears in '24.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/tyson-bagent-has-the-nfls-lowest-sack-percentage-justin-fields-the-second-highest
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Last line of the article says the Lions pass rush will be licking their chops. Maybe. Maybe not. Their pass rush is ranked in the bottom 10. Bears are probably bottom 2. If Wright can neutralize Hutchinson they should be alright. Got to establish the run.
Braxton's got to be happy that the LBer that steam rolled him for a couple sacks last year is on IR. James Houston.
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Unless the Lions return to pre-2021 form all of a sudden, this game is going to get ugly for the Bears. Everlose has not proven he can win 2 games in a row, much less beat a divisional foe.....
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Last game we faced the Lions in Detroit - Bears had these 3 receivers starting: Claypool, Velus and Equanmous St. Brown. No Mooney. Obvioulsy no DJ Moore.
Lions have to prepare for two entirely different QBs - I'm sure they are preparing for Fields. I think Bears can do some damage on offense. 20 - 24 points.
On defense, unless Montez Sweat transforms the front 4 pass rush - Goff will eat them alive. OTOH the secondary is now the healthiest they've been in a while. So maybe...Goff will still eat them alive.
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Lions 30 Bears 13....
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Bears 28, Lions 5 (field goal and a safety)...
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Bears 27 - 24
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Is that because of Fields playing Sunday?
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Bears 28, Lions 5 (field goal and a safety)...
Mine was a joke.. Bears will get their a$ses handed to 'em..
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Its hard to tell with Fields. Maybe he learned something watching Bagent We can only hope
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Show up ... fight the good fight ... walk off the field head held high win lose or draw.
Can you ask for anything more ?
DAA BEARRSSE !!
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I think Fields will improve the offense, and be a lift for the team. The defense is playing well, I'd like to see us get at least two turnovers, and make this competitive. Maybe the Lions are reading their clippings, becoming league darlings, and a week away from playing the Packers on Thanksgiving. Many are writing that Lions could run the table the rest of the way. This is a nice trap spot, we need to perform.
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Lion's offense just has so many weapons. Goff is having another impressive season. Gibbs is a threat with his speed. Montgomery will DEFINITELY have a chip on his shoulder. St. Brown may be the best receiver the Bears will face all season. And their rookie TE LaPorte has Cole Kmet numbers.
Bears' secondary is full strength and they have added Montez Sweat to juice the pass rush. But he lines up against Penei Sewell.
As for the Bears' offense. Total unknown with Fields coming back after being out so long. Hopefully Herbert and Foreman will be good to go - both are questionable.
Also saw that Sanborn is on the injury report. Could we see the other Sewell brother, Noah get some playing time?
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Unless the whole Lions team goes out and gets falling down drunk the night before, the Bears will get spanked... To think anything else is a joke..If the Bears were to win, it would be a miracle and would be right up there with the parting of the red sea..
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Heh, maybe Campbell will take the A&M job before Sunday…
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Unless the whole Lions team goes out and gets falling down drunk the night before, the Bears will get spanked... To think anything else is a joke..If the Bears were to win, it would be a miracle and would be right up there with the parting of the red sea..
I'll be wearing my sandals, just in case... ;D
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Thankfully Bears did not draft Jalen Carter (although he was something they really, Really, REALLY needed), because he seems to have trouble off the field again. This time accused of shoplifting at a Target.
I told a friend who was crowing about the pick (eagles fan obviously) after the draft that he would be a good player- when he was allowed to actually play. He was going to have issues with suspensions etc eventually as he seems a knucklehead off of it, and reminded him that one of the best abilities for a player is AVAILABILITY :D
I'll give Poles credit for getting Wright (and getting capital by trading down and still getting him). However, his coaching choice was very no muy bueno :)
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The Bears made the 'Wright" choice but so did the the Eagles.
As for Eberflus I can't say that I like him, can't say that I dislike him. He's got a defense that had a defensive backfield that was pretty beat up all this season. Jaylon Johnson, Jackson, Brisker and Gordon all missed a few games. The defensive line prior to adding Sweat was among the worst in the NFL. Now they are bottom 10.
Offensively, inconsistency at QB and OC. O-line beatup: Davis, Jenkins and Braxton Jones all missed time.
So far he's won 3 games matching last year. I agree should have won maybe 1 or 2 more this year.
Let's not crucify him until all the counties have reported in.
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"In days long past, a failure of a general so monumental would cause the leader to unsheathe the general's sword and hand it to him in order for him to throw himself upon it"
The call in the offseason was "Take back the North". With no Divisional wins in his career, there is NO WAY Flus should be brought back.
But since this is the Bears he probably will get a 10 year extension......
And after the debacle of the 1st game of the season, I'm firmly convinced that they did not intentionally tank last season- that was them trying to WIN......
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I have no doubt they were trying to win, and couldn't. But when you trade half of the defensive line and your middle linebacker, it was obvious they were stripping it down. And the players that took their places were not at the same caliber, though an argument could be made that Sandborn was productive.
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Sanborn has a nose for the ball, he lacks some speed, but he understands the game..
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Sanborn is a football player with some athletic ability as opposed to an athlete with some football player ability.....
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Fuuuck the win/loss record ... is the team better now then it was in week one ?
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Doesnt seem so.
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As a team ? No. Talent-wise- I think so (at least compared to last year). The team and its record is a reflection of the HC. Everlose is making history- and not in a good way. I think Tom Waddle today said something to the effect "If they retain him, things are much worse than even we think we know...."
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You know what? Tomorrow's Turkey day game might be entertaining to watch. Just seeing the Pack get beat would be a good thing
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Hell ya!
I thoroughly enjoyed the Packer beat down of the lions.
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I found this interesting in my daily dose of Yahoo:
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-bears-coach-says-team-183739057.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=0_00
So in Wanny's world Fields runs too much. I would tend to agree with that. But you have to fix that crappy Oline to help Fields. The RT is just a start IMHO.
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Then this popped up:
https://sports.yahoo.com/c-j-stroud-justin-fields-185350240.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=0_00
Stroud is making Poles look bad. So should Poles trade Fields and gamble on this years crop of QBs? I am not sure.
But certainly something has to be done with the offense so that games dont end up with Fields like a pancake like he did against the Lions.
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Here is another Yahoo plum.
https://sports.yahoo.com/32-nfl-quarterbacks-including-russell-130015078.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=0_00
I dont know how they base those numbers but still Fields is near the bottom. Furthermore, my question to the writers would be were those rankings done before the Lions game or
afterwards? Seeing Fields pancaked has to downgrade those rankings somewhat.
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Here is another Yahoo plum.
https://sports.yahoo.com/32-nfl-quarterbacks-including-russell-130015078.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=0_00
I dont know how they base those numbers but still Fields is near the bottom. Furthermore, my question to the writers would be were those rankings done before the Lions game or
afterwards? Seeing Fields pancaked has to downgrade those rankings somewhat.
Yeah when you rush for over 100 yards that's getting pancaked all right.
Fields should have been on the field playing DEFENSE in the final three minutes .
That's why BEARRSSE lost.
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Yeah when you rush for over 100 yards that's getting pancaked all right.
You arent with it JJ. The end play where some monster was on top of Fields who was squished like a pancake.
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The jury should not be out anymore about this coaching staff anymore. The evidence is clear. To whit:
1. They do not consistently put players in positions to best utilize them, such as Tyler Scott part of the Tush Push, or Kmet taking a snap on short yardage or shuffling oline out on "pitch counts" or not getting the ball to DJ Moore at least 10 times every game.
2. They do not reinforce success (e.g. they solidify the right side of the Oline only take away that strength instead of using that strength by line swapping, they have a tank in Foreman and take him out after a successful run). In addition, they keep (or kept) putting players in who were either not NFL caliber (Jones) or not fully healthy and up to speed (Herbert) instead of other options that were actually working.
3. They do not utilize the field correctly- such as running stretch plays to the short side of the field or continual shotgun on 3 and 4th short down yardage.
4. Mismanage the game clock (although to be honest a lot of other teams seem to do this from time to time. Just not as consistently as this coaching regime does).
5. Most Free Agents from other teams that seemed to be pretty good bets suddenly look worse (Ygonkwue, Sweat, Edmunds) from a coach who stresses DEFENSE as his feather in his cap.
6. They are inflexible and have no feel of the moment, which good coaches have to have. (e.g. removing Sweat because he was on a pitch count during the most crucial drives of the game- hell its not like he was tired, the Bears had 2:1 time of possession for Christ's sake....)
7. The following is not factual but more anecdotal. They have not won a Division game in almost 2 years. They have blown historical leads in games or lost close games they should have won on even an average day. They are setting (bad) historical records for incompetence for THE Charter franchise of the NFL. They have had 2 coaches fired by HR in-season for "some reason". They are sad-sacks. Losers (but at least according to the head bozo the culture is "awesome").......
In conclusion, fans and fellow jurors, there is NO reason to not punt this coaching staff as soon as possible. END OF STORY. All we want for Christmas is a real coaching staff..........
Side note (and nothing to do with the above): Watching the Jets offense is kind of like watching a train-wreck. You are horrified yet cannot look away :D
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Let me add a little.
Early in the season when the Packers were losing a game badly at halftime a reporter asked Lafleur his thoughts and he did not mince words describing his team poor play. I suspect the locker room and practice talks weren’t pretty
When Mike Tomlin sees bad play he calls his team out, especially veterans.
When reporters ask Eberfluss he says “we’re almost there “ and only gets positive. Is that also how he treats players behind closed doors? I’m sure veterans love not being told they aren’t doing their job but they should be.
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We need a coach who hates to lose more than he loves to win and instills that into the players as well....
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And when I see the opponent at our 10 yard line and the DB’s positioned at the goal line I want the DC fired.
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And when I see the opponent at our 10 yard line and the DB’s positioned at the goal line I want the DC fired.
Fortunately he's the same guy ! :D
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I really have to wonder about the Bears interview process. When I look back through, and Lovie jumps out as the best coach in recent memory.. It tells me there is something really wrong with this organization.. Most all teams have ups and downs, it's seems as if we have mostly downs.. I'll add this, only a fukking idiot would be happy with this team/organization...
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I really have to wonder about the Bears interview process. When I look back through, and Lovie jumps out as the best coach in recent memory.. It tells me there is something really wrong with this organization.. Most all teams have ups and downs, it's seems as if we have mostly downs.. I'll add this, only a fukking idiot would be happy with this team/organization...
Either a fukking idiot or a McCaskey would be happy with this team/organization.......
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Angelo wanted Saban and they had a working relationship where they were able to agree on personnel decisions. But Ted didn't want to pay $4 million. Who knows? Just because he bombed in Miami doesn't necessarily mean he would have been worse than Lovie.
Then who could forget how the Bears brass made the reigning coach of the year do mock press conferences and basically force Marinelli as DC on him. Cutler may have had more success under Arians and the locker room would not have turned into a clown show. But the defense was on its last legs for sure..
According to Silvy, "the committee" overall recommended Dan Quinn. Polian and George also thought highly of Caldwell. So I guess I was mistaken that Eberflus was Acorsied into Poles lap. If that is the case, his HC hire is a far more egregious mistake than Claypool.
One other thing to consider. What do Nagy, Poles, and Eberflus have in common? They are all represented by Trace Armstrong.
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Frank Reich is available.
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Just wow. This game set the NFL back about 20 years (at least), but I think I finally see Flus master-plan- play scared and maybe, just maybe it will become contagious and the other team will be infected with it. Incompetence IS infectious.....
FWIW:
1. Sign Santos now longer term. Despite the miss, he's stabilized the kicking game.
2. Play Scare and You Lose Scared: I thought this would apply only to the Getsy (and that atrocious before halftime go into shell defensively Flus is known for). But somehow the Vikes DC got infected by it and helped lose the game for them.
3. A friend texted me (Vikings fan) during the game after the 3rd Dobbs INT "Someone has to tell the kid you can't throw the ball to the other side. After all, this is not rocket science...."
4. If Fields is going to be here next year, the next staff is going to have to emphasize getting rid of the ball and ball security- to the extreme (such as smacking him on the back of the head with a fungo bat during practice if he holds the ball more than 2.3 seconds)...
5. That said, Fields kept so many plays alive by sliding around, (although sometimes not needing to when stepping up would have sufficed is disturbing). Another point of emphasis by the next staff is to work on when he scrambles to be sure he sets his feet properly or at least his body correctly oriented- his arm talent is good, but I think he thinks its TOO good- and its not. He had a couple of scrambles and if he sets and has better form he delivers a better ball for a long gain and we look at him in a different light.....
6. That obvious loser challenge flag Everlose threw on the pass was a metaphor for the current state of the Bears....
7. This game moves the needle in no direction. Everlose has to go, coaches reasonably incompetent, Fields looks schizophrenic. Reset coming......
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Just wow. This game set the NFL back about 20 years (at least), but I think I finally see Flus master-plan- play scared and maybe, just maybe it will become contagious and the other team will be infected with it. Incompetence IS infectious.....
FWIW:
1. Sign Santos now longer term. Despite the miss, he's stabilized the kicking game.
2. Play Scare and You Lose Scared: I thought this would apply only to the Getsy (and that atrocious before halftime go into shell defensively Flus is known for). But somehow the Vikes DC got infected by it and helped lose the game for them.
3. A friend texted me (Vikings fan) during the game after the 3rd Dobbs INT "Someone has to tell the kid you can't throw the ball to the other side. After all, this is not rocket science...."
4. If Fields is going to be here next year, the next staff is going to have to emphasize getting rid of the ball and ball security- to the extreme (such as smacking him on the back of the head with a fungo bat during practice if he holds the ball more than 2.3 seconds)...
5. That said, Fields kept so many plays alive by sliding around, (although sometimes not needing to when stepping up would have sufficed is disturbing). Another point of emphasis by the next staff is to work on when he scrambles to be sure he sets his feet properly or at least his body correctly oriented- his arm talent is good, but I think he thinks its TOO good- and its not. He had a couple of scrambles and if he sets and has better form he delivers a better ball for a long gain and we look at him in a different light.....
6. That obvious loser challenge flag Everlose threw on the pass was a metaphor for the current state of the Bears....
7. This game moves the needle in no direction. Everlose has to go, coaches reasonably incompetent, Fields looks schizophrenic. Reset coming......
Number 3, lol
Number 5, there was one play, I think the Bears were in the red zone, doesn't matter. Fields rolls right and a bubble opens where he can calm his feet, but he continued to drift right into the blocker and defender. That is one thing i see with Mahomes, he has a knack, a skill for settling into the right spot to make the throw. That is part of the growth we need to see.
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If Fields could get those passes sorted out, it would be a different narrative (or somewhat different- haters will always hate).......
He also sent me a message about Jaylon Johnson. He was has 1 for 3 for 20 or so yards this game. That would normally be good enough to be a Bears WR 3 in the modern era.....
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Winning ugly is a win.
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How bad are the Vikes that the Bears beat them.....AT home....and they're a playoff team? Same ol Vikings....
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My interview wish list
1) Harbaugh
2) Brian Johnson
3) Ben Johnson
4) Bobby Slowik
5) Brian Flores
If Eberflus was truly in survival mode, there is no better time to dump Getsy than during the bye week and give Janocko a shot. Nothing to lose really. I guess he believes his job is safe.
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You need to eliminate the first one. Harbaugh isnt coming to the Bears. Unless he were to miraculously clean up his image, I have serious doubt he gets an NFL offer from any team. Plus,
ethically speaking, I have doubts the McCaskeys would even allow him an interview.
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All the crowd that says we have to get rid of Fields if we get rid of Eberfleus because it is the right thing to do to let the new HC pick his own QB....
I give you the Carolina Panthers and Frank Reich, who had the same thinking last offseason.
I still say one decision is not tied to the other decision. Both decisions have to be made on their own merits. If your new HC can not coach talent then why hire him?
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Most likely a different outcome if the Vikes have Cousins and Justin Jefferson. But Bears have suffered through injuries too and now are relatively healthy and competitive.
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Nice to see Joe Buck hasn't lost his disdain for Chicago sports teams
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Yeah deep Dallas Cowboy lover. Pathetic
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3 out of 5 of the last five games are at home.
Lions
@ Browns
Cardinals (Ragons Colts)
Falcons
@ Packers
Possible 7-10 or better to finish the season ?
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I hope not.
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2 winning teams of the 5 remaining on the schedule. And one of those has to start a rookie QB.
If Bears sweep maybe they're in the playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs?
At this point I hope the Bears win but if they don't the flipside is they improve their draft position with their own draft picks.
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DAL,
Welcome to DAA BEARRSSE paradox ... you wanna fuuck her ... but you could get the clap or worse.
Should you or shouldn't you ?
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I say do it!
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/2-nfl-teams-eyeing-jim-harbaugh-next-head-coach-report
Ya never know..
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Maybe the Raiders.
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Then again if Harbaugh comes out and clears his position, he could get several offers. Personally I think he wants to remain at Michigan.
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All the crowd that says we have to get rid of Fields if we get rid of Eberfleus because it is the right thing to do to let the new HC pick his own QB....
I give you the Carolina Panthers and Frank Reich, who had the same thinking last offseason.
I still say one decision is not tied to the other decision. Both decisions have to be made on their own merits. If your new HC can not coach talent then why hire him?
Kyler Murray and Klff Klingsbury, Trevor Larence and Urban Meyer.
This argument is manufactured by the media and has no legs. The better argument is you are not sold on your QB as the long term solution, and you have to decide whether to extend or start over. I would say that two seasons ago, Hurts was close to that point. There was a lot of chatter about whether the Eagles should restart at that position. They stayed with him, fortified the line and added WR weapons. The natural maturation, along with better pieces gives you the Eagles today.
I'm all in on Fields. The kid is 24.
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All you have to do to see what is the main problem is what happened in the locker room celebration that was recorded. Everlose speaks and guys are not paying attention. Fields speaks and they all are paying attention. At the moment, the most egregious problem is coaching......
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Everlose speaks and guys are not paying attention. Fields speaks and they all are paying attention.
I didn't get the impression that no one was paying attention. It looked to me like everyone was listening to him speak. Even Warren and Poles nodding in agreement with him at times. Not that I want to keep him but I don't think he has lost the players and locker room like Trestman did.
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He has not lost the locker room. But I think they know the writing is on the wall (as ex-players like Lance Briggs and Olin Kreutz said this year- players know).
BTW interesting Bagent interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4dzEaftjuw
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The season is not over and Eberflus will be fighting for those 2 or 3 wins that will show improvement over last year increasing wins from 3 to 6. Although that might not be enough.
I don't care if Eberflus and/or Getsy goes, but I've kind of grown attached to Fields.
But then you watch the Monday night game last night where Smith and Prescott are throwing the ball all over the place (and not a single punt) and you wonder will Fields ever be that agressive and accurate passing the ball. Especially after last week against the Vikes with the sideways passing and no offensive TDs.
Fields and Eberflus are in similar boats to prove themselves these last 5 games.
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If you think Fields has the skills, you blame Getsy, he calls the plays. If you dont think Fields has it between the ears, you get someone else, but I would get rid of Getsy either way.
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The stench of losing envelops this coaching staff. Hire a new staff, and if they want to work with Fields, so be it. If not draft and move forward....
But knowing the McCaskey cursed Bears, they will find a way to even **** that up :D
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I'm not so much worried about BEARS as we should all be worried about Panthers after the Frank Third Reich firing.
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The only way Fluss should come back another year is if they miraculously win out. Fluss is very "Dick Jauron". I want someone that has the capability's to out coach the guy on the other side. The defense seems very vanilla. It doesn't help that our Dline is subpar at best..
Fields is another story. The game isn't coming second nature to him, he's thinking too much. Has all the tools, just doesn't have it going on between the ears. Monday night he started out well, but then stalled and never regained momentum. Drafting another QB is no guaranty. I really believe we need a new coaching staff as much as anything..
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https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/justin-fields-trade-rumors-nfl-draft/
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/top-insider-confirms-growing-kevin-warren-bears-rumor/
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I look at a QB like Brock Purdy. He turned out to be a real find by the niners. Then I think about it, do I really think Purdy would be putting up the same numbers if the Bears drafted him? This coaching staph has to go, it's sounding like they may be on the way out. What about Poles? He hasn't done too bad. At the least fluss has to go..
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Lets wait until the seasons over before we drop the guillotine on Eberflus.
What did the Deeeeeeeeeeeeetroit coach do before he assembled his cast ?
What did the Denver coach do before he assembled his cast ?
What did the Houston coach do before he assembled his cast ?
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Getsy has to go, but he's paired with Flus. What offensive coach of any worth would want to come in next year under a lame-duck HC ? If Getsy goes, so should Flus. If Flus is going to stay, it means Getsy will stay. Better to flush the whole staff than continue this square-peg round hole arrangement.
Kevin Warren hopefully will make the right decision. Not holding my breath though.....
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If Flusy is able to make chicken salad out of this less than rough stretch run, he could make Getsy the fall guy and hire his buddy Reich or an experienced OC like Roman. Hopefully Warren doesn't fall for that. Fresh starts with a big headliner like you know who would be very beneficial to a so far quiet stadium drive.
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Watching the Packers game last night I noticed how their offense incorporates numerous young receivers into their game plan. Guys were coming out of the woodwork. We can't even get our #2 the ball let alone the young receivers like Scott and Velus Jones.
I can understand Jones, but Scott was getting all these glowing praises in training camp. So far 10 receptions 80 yards.
Is that a Poles f***up or is it Getsy?
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Rant #2.
The defense is playing better. Some of this was expected with the health of the secondary now at full strength. And Sweat of course has juiced up the pass rush a bit.
But look at some of the QBs the defense has done well against: Bryce Young, Hoyer/O'Connel, Dobbs and Sam Howell. And they were killing Goff until those last 2 drives.
They'll get their 2nd chance against Goff Sunday.
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Hopefully the Bears have been practicing, instead of on vacation, which usually they seem to do on bye weeks. Goff isnt unbeatable.
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The collective bargaining agreement prohibits teams from practicing bye week.
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Those lazy fukks!
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Getsy is too busy having Scott (https://twitter.com/dave_bfr/status/1721751001605005806) and Mooney (https://twitter.com/DetRegnim/status/1729337944891179242) blocking. Common sense would say maybe let your speed guys stretch the field or use slants to beat the blitz, a Packer specialty. But this OC is the latest in a long line of constipated play callers for the Bears going back decades.
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Getsy doesn't call too many go routes, does he? He also tends to avoid the middle of the field for the most part. A lot of passes outside the hashes.
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Also tends to run to many outside run plays (and screens) to the short side of the field where that extra few yards could make a difference. He must think the ball is lined up in the center every time....
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Getsy doesn't call too many go routes, does he? He also tends to avoid the middle of the field for the most part. A lot of passes outside the hashes.
Apparently he doesn’t trust Fields.
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Detroit isn’t going to overlook your team this weekend.
Lions 30
Bear 16
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bears-expected-to-pursue-commanders-eric-bieniemy-for-potential-head-coaching-vacancy-after-2023-season
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That's the safe hire. Taking a swing for the fences would be hiring Harbaugh. I don't see the Bears going after Harbuagh though, Warren probably doesn't want to deal with Jim's personality...
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I would say if we do pursue Harbaugh, that says everything about Warren's relationship with Harbaugh. I head yesterday that Harbaugh wants a decision on his Michigan future contract by Christmas Day. I would say that is the next checkpoint. A Michigan National Championship would set him free. I really think those milestones are important to him. He does have a healthy team right now, this should be his best opportunity. The final 4 looks pretty equally matched.
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The latest Hoge and Jahns podcast has a segment about Harbaugh, just makes me want the guy even more.
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I think there is a fat chance in hell they go that route. It would be a swing for the fences and this team does not do that....
I don't care who they get as long as they get it right. And they have yet to prove that they can do anything right on that front.....
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Who knows with the new president and the new GM? Unless you think Virginia is still calling the shots.
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Five games to go to see if there's a Harbaugh or Fields in the future.
Constant turnover has led to so many past Super Bowls I cant even count them all.
>:( :o ??? ::)
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Its not the turnover- its the bad choices that cause the turnover. Its like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer and blaming the hammer because it hurts..... :D
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Kyle Long loves Wright and Jenkins…
https://theathletic.com/5118357/2023/12/07/bears-darnell-wright-teven-jenkins-kyle-long/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
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Hopefully Wright holds that spot down for quite awhile...
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Steelers do the Bears a solid favor two weeks in a row ! Payback for foisting Claypool upon Poles ?
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Ok this one stunned me....who here knew the Bears are the No.1 ranked run defense in the league, per ESPN?? I know their D is improving but did not know this....
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Heard somewhere they also have one of the least amount of runs versus that defense too- teams know they can pass. Why run when you can pass ? Statistics without context are not a good guide :D
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The absolute worst 666th level ring of hell scenario is destroying a rookie QB with yet another lame duck coaching staff.
Jauron -- Rex
Fox -- Mitch
Nagy -- Justin
If Kevin Warren allows history to repeat itself, then he is worse than Ted and George put together.
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Velus Jones out with sickness. I'll be darned- he actually CAN catch something..... :D
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Did what we saw at Deeeeeeeeeeeetroit become an improvement this Sunday ?
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He certainly cant' catch a break. Equanmous is out, and Scott is ailing. The Lions will have to spend extra time this weekend planning on how to stop Trent Taylor.
I'd love to see Collin Johnson the ex-Longhorn get called up from the PS.
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That's another thing that needs to be shaken up with this coaching staff- their conditioning staff. According to Tom Thayer (who didn't even play when he was here) swears Rusty Jones (Bears conditioning coach back during the Lovie era) always said that hamstrings and most other soft tissue problems were from players not taking care of their bodies (hydrating, stretching etc).
There has to be some accountability there as well.....
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Dallas - Collin Johnson was called up yesterday.
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Of course, you are what your record says you are, but, if the Bears hadn't blown the Broncos and Lions games that they had in hand, this team would be 7-6.
And that's with Bagent playing 2-1/2 games in place of Fields.
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And in the hunt for a wild card...
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I've been down this road many many times with the Bears. If the Bears can win X number of theirr final games they might sneak into the playoffs. They have always found a way to step on their dick.
I have no visions of the playoffs but I don't mind the Bears winning as many games as possible. Of course it helps with holding down the Carolina pick.
Eberflus will have them playing hard. Lots of players playing for that next deal. Jones and Nkagoue. Jaylon Johnson (just pay him). Justin Fields. Mooney. Braxton Jones is trying to convince Bears not to draft one of those top tackles in R1.
Final thought. Not only do they need a center to replace Patrick, but Davis did not have a very good game. Middle of the line including Jenkins had their struggles Sunday..
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Johnson needs paid. They cannot afford to lose him. And the backers had a heck of a game, mainly Edwards and especially Edmunds. The D looks improved, but Jackson is still a dud.
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Getsy vs. Browns defense feels like a horrible mismatch…
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There were signs that hell is freezing over (and not because it is winter).
1. Getsy finally used a tendency against a defense- Fields running the ball well, fake a pitch back to him and let Moore run it in. And the blocks were perfect. That said, he went back to the well of running Moore too often instead of passing to him in the 1st half (guess he got the memo to get the ball into your best playmaker's hands). Make no mistake- Fields saved the day with his scrambling today. Getsy had a good game but still not good or consistent enough setting up redzone offense. They still utilize personnel wrong. Its a Getsy/Flus trademark at this point.....
2. Eddie Jackson made a tackle ! Not a good one and it did not offset his average-poor play the rest of the game. He's playing his last snaps as a Chicago Bear. Big contract and injury robbed the Bears of what should have been a very good safety.....
3. The Bears actually scored on a free play (on 4th and 13 no less). This never seems to happen with them but to them.
Blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. These things won't be happening next weekend. Browns D can play. Probably see a 100 screens knowing Getsy as we do.....
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I need 3 of 4 wins for my over 7.5 on the season bet. :) I have reasons to root for wins.
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Cleveland is the #1 defense. Good test for Braxton Jones as he'll most likely face Myles Garrett.
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Hat tip @RapSheet and @NFLResearch
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBE6oAcXAAEZoky?format=jpg&name=small)
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@NFLonCBS
Justin Fields this season
Higher Pass Rating (91.8*) than Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence
Higher Pass TD/INT rate (2.2) than Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen
More Rush Yards per game (50.9) than Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson
9:28 AM · Dec 11, 2023
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@PFF_Bears
Justin Fields vs. the Lions blitz:
6/8
122 yards
1 TD/ 0 INTs
156.3 passer rating
9:22 AM · Dec 11, 2023
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Now if only Getsy would go 12 personnel (they've got Mercedes Lewis and Donta Forman for Christ sakes) and power run on 4th down instead of trying to be thought of as "smart"....
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That playcalling sequence was Getsy at his worst on Sunday. QB sneak with 3rd and 2 is not a good call unless you're the Eagles. Center Patrick is not Kelce. Getsy kind of lucked into that TD pass to Moore but I give credit to Getsy and Fields for making it happen.
I did like that they went for it on 2nd down late in the game with the lead with that crosser to Moore that Fields over threw. They learned their lesson that the best defense is a good offense.
Bears have struggled in the red zone. Remember when we had Jimmy Graham and the Bears would throw to him at the goal line. Why can't the Bears isolate Kmet on the outside and have him run to the goal line and catch a jump ball? He's 6-6 and his vertical is very good.
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Cleveland is the #1 defense. Good test for Braxton Jones as he'll most likely face Myles Garrett.
If things get out of hand whos the best TE to park there to help out ?
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Geez, wasn't Fields sacked 10 times in that last game at Cleveland?
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Cleveland is the #1 defense. Good test for Braxton Jones as he'll most likely face Myles Garrett.
Yup. We never seem to play Cleveland well, even in preseason
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Saw a graphic on MNF that said Bears have 4% chance of making the playoffs. Which means that they must not only win out but a bunch of teams ahead of them must lose. Even if it happens they get a ticket to Dallas or SF or Philly. I'll root for them to win every game but won't be too terribly disappointed if they lose, unless its that last game of the season.
What do you think the Bears should do at halfback in the offseason? Foreman appears to be the best of the group. He's big and has pretty good straight ahead speed but not that shifty. That catch he made Sunday was awesome. Herbert hasn't shown what he's capable of after his return from injury. He's not getting many touches and Detroit is tough to run on. But it may be hard to step up his game if Foreman is getting the majority of the runs. Next year is his 4th year.
I really like Roschon but I just don't think he's a feature back.
While we've all been talking about replacing Braxton Jones and/or Fields, drafting MJH, adding pass rushers, replacing Jackson - what about halfback?
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Must get a real center.....
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Must get a real center.....
Yeah, but #1 need is still the D-line. MHJ is only being considered because he's BPA in the draft...so far.
Front line talent at most positions is solid but depth is also an issue. Bears will be buyers in free agency but not quite the extent of last year.
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The 3 tech tackle from Illinois is supposed to be easily the best and a first round pick.
I don’t know if it’s more important to get that position or pass rusher.
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Yes.
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Yes.
LOL true. They have literally no pass rusher after Sweat.
Maybe Dexter can solve the 3 tech as he is improving but has a long way to go.
I’m not especially impressed by any pass rushers as a top 10 pick.
If they want defense in the first round I would trade down from the 5 spot.
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Bears probably won't be in the 5 spot assuming they can win a couple more games. Pass rushers often get over-drafted so it wouldn't surprise me to see Turner, Verse and Latu in the top 10 or so and Newton also.
But the bowl games, combine and pro days could change everything.
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I'm all about the run game, Herbert was playing decent before the injury, but don't know if he's the answer. I like what Foreman has done, but one game he looks spectacular, the next not so much.
I agree about center, but I would think we could take care of that down the draft. We need to bolster the pass rush, RDE... I think we could do better than Edmunds, but he has been playing better lately. I'm all about helping fields, Harrison? I sit pat with Fields and Bagant, not because I'm sold on Fields, at this juncture I feel we would be better served to draft other positions.. Lord knows that could come back to bite us in the a$s..
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I know we're Bears fans and we love defense, but, if we stick with Fields, we have to make him successful. That's what will ultimately define the success of the franchise.
If he has trouble throwing to lesser receivers who aren't wide open, get him better receivers who can catch without being wide open. That will increase the likelihood of the lesser receivers being wide open.
MHJ is an absolute must. If we can trade down from #1 and still get him, do it.
With the second first rounder, see how the draft plays out.
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Harrison looks like the surest thing in the draft.
I’ve seen both the tackles get bull rushed and the quarterbacks have flaws.
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Saw a graphic on MNF that said Bears have 4% chance of making the playoffs. Which means that they must not only win out but a bunch of teams ahead of them must lose. Even if it happens they get a ticket to Dallas or SF or Philly. I'll root for them to win every game but won't be too terribly disappointed if they lose, unless its that last game of the season.
What do you think the Bears should do at halfback in the offseason? Foreman appears to be the best of the group. He's big and has pretty good straight ahead speed but not that shifty. That catch he made Sunday was awesome. Herbert hasn't shown what he's capable of after his return from injury. He's not getting many touches and Detroit is tough to run on. But it may be hard to step up his game if Foreman is getting the majority of the runs. Next year is his 4th year.
I really like Roschon but I just don't think he's a feature back.
While we've all been talking about replacing Braxton Jones and/or Fields, drafting MJH, adding pass rushers, replacing Jackson - what about halfback?
Been thinking a bit about the halfback position. Was excited to see Herbert featured, and I don't think he is all the way back from his injury. He looked like a piece before that injury. Foreman and Johnson are the same back. I share the concern that Johnson is a nice complimentary back, a difference in style to Herbert. I think Foreman may be the odd man out, doubling up on thudders isn't theway to go. Watching Detroit with Montgomery and Gibbs, that is a nice set-up. And what we have doesn't compare.
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The bonus of Harrison being drafted (and more oline) is that even if Fields does not work out, the next Bear QB will not be in the situation Fields was in (e.g. no talent around him) so evaluation SHOULD be better. But the Bears tend to do things ass-backwards so you never know....
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Been thinking a bit about the halfback position. Was excited to see Herbert featured, and I don't think he is all the way back from his injury. He looked like a piece before that injury. Foreman and Johnson are the same back. I share the concern that Johnson is a nice complimentary back, a difference in style to Herbert. I think Foreman may be the odd man out, doubling up on thudders isn't theway to go. Watching Detroit with Montgomery and Gibbs, that is a nice set-up. And what we have doesn't compare.
I like Montgomery but I don't think he's that much better than Foreman/Johnson. He's doing better this year because he's playing behind one of the best O-lines in football. And Bears really have no one like Gibbs. He ran a 4.36 but I don't think he'll ever be an every down back, but that's OK when you have Montgomery. You're right Detroit is set.
I guess my concern is for the future. I'm fine with Herbert and I expect the carries will even out with him and Foreman the rest of the way. He's still leading the Bears' running backs in y/c at 4.5. He needs more carries so he can sprinkle in a few more long runs which will boost his average.
Even though its unlikely Poles re-signs Foreman but there probably isn't any urgency to draft a HB this next draft with Herbert still having a year on his deal. But it would be nice to get a complete back that can run between the tackles, break the long runs, pass block and catch the ball out of the backfield.
I guess that's why a lot of teams have running back by committee.
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There are rumors on FB Johnson will sign this week 5 years $93M
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Jaylon bet on himself and won. He better sign that deal ASAP - sh*t happens.
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One player they will have to extend this offseason is Tevon Jenkins. He has been solid; next year is his rookie deal's last year. Get it done and don't let him hit FA.
I think if they earn another year and bring back Eberflues, his staff, and Justin next year, they can still set themselves up to be in a place to replace everyone the next off-season. If they trade the #1 this year and get a #1 somewhere next year they could still launch everyone on the staff and include Justin + the two number ones to move up to wherever in the draft if they need to take a QB. Start over with a new HC, OC and QB. That doesn't have to be done this offseason IMHO.
Poles is in year #1 of his rebuild. Last year was the teardown year so this is year 1 of the rebuild. Are they better than last year? I think the answer is yes. Yes they are better. Let's keep it moving in the correct direction.
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Extend Santos as well......
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Bears assistant GM Ian Cunningham turned down the GM job at Arizona last year. Maybe this year he decides to leave the Bears.
I've read that if he goes to another team the Bears get TWO 3rd round comp picks because of some sort of NFL minority hiring program.
I'm sure he's been an asset to Poles but damn - TWO 3rd comp picks!
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Bears probably won't be in the 5 spot assuming they can win a couple more games. Pass rushers often get over-drafted so it wouldn't surprise me to see Turner, Verse and Latu in the top 10 or so and Newton also.
But the bowl games, combine and pro days could change everything.
Agreed, and I am pretty sure that the 2 road games on the schedule they arent going to win. It looks like the home games left are maybe the best chance for a W.
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This is a Lucy game. Getsy comes out running screen after screen or having Fields stand in the pocket, immobile or running power QB runs to the short side of the field. We should see at least 1 short yardage play with a direct snap to Kmet and Tyler Scott blocking a lot. All in all a typical Getsy clusterfuck. Without Ingokwe, Flus will play scared with more soft cover 2 and with little or no pressure on Flacco, he will tear the secondary apart.
And the meme this week to "we can make the playoffs" to FIRE THE WHOLE STAFF... again......
I hope I'm dead wrong, but I am not feeling it....
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Cleveland’s 2 leading tacklers are out.
But do they have a plan for blocking Myles Garrett?
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Then again maybe this game bookends Fields NFL career to this point ("not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning") and he balls out and becomes the guy the Bears have needed since the modern era began.....
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Cleveland has the #2 passing defense in the league. 200 yards and no more than 1 pick would be fantastic.
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I think the rumor I posted about JJ signing this week was clickbait.
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Cleveland’s 2 leading tacklers are out.
But do they have a plan for blocking Myles Garrett?
If Braxton Jones can contain Garrett - Bears may not draft one of the tackles in R1.
Rumors all over that the Bears are going QB in R1. Which means Fields gets traded for a 2 or a 3 and the Bears take Caleb Williams at #1.
If that's the case then Fields has lost his job and any success the remainder of the year will be used to drive up his value in a trade.
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Which means Fields gets traded for a 2 or a 3 and the Bears take Caleb Williams at #1.
and the Bears take Caleb Williams at #1
I hope that turkey ends up a Patriot and not a Bear. IMHO him ending up a Bear is a serious mistake
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I’m pretty much on the fence with Fields.
He’s had two offensive coordinators who have no idea how to create an offense to his strengths. Getsy’s just pulling random plays out of his toolbox hoping something works, but there seems to be no real plan. He doesn’t apparently know how to attack a defense. When a defense commits its linebackers and safeties up to the line of scrimmage most teams throw slants over the middle into the vacated area. Getsy just keeps his play whether it’s going to work or not. The run game has evaporated the last several weeks which puts more pressure on the passing game.
Fields has so much talent it’s really hard for me to give up on him and draft a guy with a 50% chance of success.
He relies on Moore too much and just misses too many plays. I’ve followed the NFL for a long time. The best of quarterbacks miss 5 or 6 plays a game, missing open receivers and not seeing wide open guys downfield.
The difference I see with Fields is he misses 3-4 more plays than others. Those missed plays result in about 80 less yards and one touchdown less per game. That’s the difference between a contender and an a loser.
With all Fields has going against him he should still be able to overcome bad offense and make more plays on his own. There are too many other quarterbacks overcoming bad blocking and succeeding to just give Fields a pass.
I really wonder if he would be better with coaching like Gruden or Dabol who are all over your ass when you’re not performing. I’ve seen videos of them in practices where they just keep repeating plays until they get it right even if feelings are hurt.
The alternative of course is quarterback this draft.
Caleb Williams is easily the most talented. He’s proven his talent but playing on such a bad team he’s got the hero complex and has some bad habits. He’s alarmingly immature which isn’t uncommon in a 21 year old but he’s going to have to grow up fast. I’m concerned by his father who is talking about money and controlling all the time. I wouldn’t be surprised by a hold out year two.
There are second tier quarterbacks who are interesting like Penix Ann Daniels who are just so clutch in close games.
I’m glad I am not in Poles shoes because his decisions coming up are going to define the franchise for the next five years. If he’s wrong some of us will probably be dead before we see a Super Bowl.
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I think we all are enamored with Fields physical talents but then we see an old guy like Flacco who's getting killed the whole game, throwing 3 picks, has no run game, but puts together a couple of drives to win the game.
This season has been a scab that keeps getting pulled off just when you think its about healed.
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....like Penix Ann Daniels
Is this seriously a real QBs name and not a Saturday Night Live skit???
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I don't think Fields is all that but the scheme- ugh. **** Getsy decided to turn Fields into Flacco- drop backs, long reads etc. As usual his terrible all-over game-plan of square peg round hole philosophy.
I really wonder what Fields would be like under a truly competent OC who played to the player's strengths. What a unique concept for the Bears to not grasp....
McCaskey Curse !
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Is Fields trying out for a job with the Bears or the Falcons? Bears play the Falcons next Sunday. And guess who is now employed by the Falcons.
He's the guy who engineered the trade to draft Fields.
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At this point, I can't see them passing on QB at #1. Fields has not shown enough to suggest year 4 is going to be different.
The likely pick is Williams, although Maye, Daniels, etc will have something to say about it when Combine and workouts roll around.
Eberflus regime is gone. Go ahead and pack the suitcases. He's been great at holding the team together, but this team should have 3 more wins than it does (at least).
That it doesn't is a reflection of the coaching staff. Insert Harbaugh rumors here. Would not shock me at all.
The 2nd pick in the 1st round will likely be a LT. Depends on the final landing spot. Bears finish with 7-8 wins, might have to look at WR.
If you think Jones is workable, know that his PFF grade is 7 points lower than Charles Leno. He's replacement-level at best.
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I don’t get it. Jones has allowed 1 sack and 14 pressures on the season. Granted he’s missed a few games.
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PFF is a guide not gospel, but I find it useful. Braxton apparently is having an average year. Does anyone know where the offensive line sack counts are kept?
I no longer can focus on the O-line now that I watch the Bears with YouTube streaming, so I don't really know how he did against Garrett Sunday. I know Garrett had 2 tackles and an assist. He may have had some pressures.
Olu and Alt may be generational talents - if so then it would be hard to pass up on a future stud LT.
Maybe Bears could snag MHJ and one of the tackles especially if the QBs go early. But I'd like to get one of those edge guys in R1.
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The problem with Poles is he is starting to put together a complete TEAM and when their contracts come up they are going to be demanding to be paid boo koo bucks.
Poles has to look to L.A. Dodgers and creative financing.
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A lot tougher to do in the NFL, with harder salary caps.
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It could happen.
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The problem with Poles is he is starting to put together a complete TEAM and when their contracts come up they are going to be demanding to be paid boo koo bucks.
Poles has to look to L.A. Dodgers and creative financing.
Only a problem would if the team is not winning. Otherwise see Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys, Bills, etc.
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I really wonder what Fields would be like under a truly competent OC who played to the player's strengths. What a unique concept for the Bears to not grasp....
You might not have to wait long according to some people. It would be so Bears to give up and let him move on then he becomes one of the best QBs in the league while they still struggle with a rookie QB learning the game and getting killed by this fan base for not being the best QB in the league on day 1.
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LOL!!! And which QB did the Bears give up on that became one of the best in the league? Being that it is "so Bears" and all.. And that scumbag, not the best on the first day... Oh wait, this is his 3rd season...
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LOL!!! And which QB did the Bears give up on that became one of the best in the league? Being that it is "so Bears" and all.. And that scumbag, not the best on the first day... Oh wait, this is his 3rd season...
????? I said it would be the Bears luck that would happen. I never said it happened. And now Fields is a scumbag? Why?
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In the recent presser Getsy says the offensive problems are a result of poor execution.
Takes no blame for his game plan or play calling.
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If the head coach was truly in survival mode he would have fired Getsy during the bye. But I guess winning without scoring a TD meant that all was well in Eberland.
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At the very least, Getsy is gone. No way in he!l do they keep everyone on staff and get rid of Fields.
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@kfishbain
Browns defensive end Za’Darius Smith was fined $16,391 for his hit on Bears QB Justin Fields at the end of the first half in last Sunday’s game.
3:11 PM · Dec 23, 2023
Could have been a reasonable FG attempt if the flag was thrown...
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The ref that was standing there watching the play should have also been fined...
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Playing outside of the margins ...
Frank Reich or Josh McDaniel's for OFFENSIVE CORDINATOR ?
Assuming Getsy gets the ... well you know what I mean.
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https://youtu.be/x7onjvjlw04?si=5Ea9XrrCWnVkiCkp
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I really think the Bears would be better served to Keep Fields and and get some more offensive help around him. And, let's ditch Getsy. A dominate win over a sh!t team like the Cards shouldn't change a lot of minds but, I have a feeling Flus is going to be brought back...
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Based on past history, if I were a betting man, I'd bet the Bears will make the wrong choice no matter what choice they make. But maybe, just maybe the blind squirrel can find the nut for once.....
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Speaking of past history, imagine if Pete Carroll didn't save Pace from himself in getting Wilson. The Bears might still be without a 1st round draft pick, be in utter cap hell, and have Nagy prowling the sidelines firing himself from play calling duties for umpteenth time.
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I'm perfectly fine with Fields, Williams, or even Daniels under center next season. I just wish I was certain that Poles and Warren aren't dumb enough to retain the current head coach. Unfortunately a win at GB might render Warren just as useless as Ted if an overjoyed George had his way.
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"in the realm of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." Hopefully Kevin Warren is at least the one-eye man....
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I would prefer Mr. Warren continue to lay low until black Monday. This scripted unnecessary corporate message reeks of the "collaboration" debacle preceding the lame duck season of Pace and Nagy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TuKt-pvhE&t=19s
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That does not inspire confidence ! The McCaskey curse is real !
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Confidence is Poles with two first round picks and holding the #1 over the NFL as hostage.
The wildest I heard was 3 #1's and a second for the #1.
Some teams want a QB out of this draft pretty bad.
We could still snag a QB or D.E. with Bears pick.
It's good to be da king !
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I would feel much more confident if the Bears had lost to the Cardinals. But there is still a very real possibility that Carolina will win another game, or even two.
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I won't be a bit surprised if they retain Eberflus. I see no way they keep Getsy, he'll be the sacrificial lamb. The D has actually been playing better. It will be an issue trying to find an O coordinator being that Eberflus could be dead man walking. This team needs to find a way to maintain through the 4th quarter, too many meltdowns.. And they need to start the season strong. Even though the D has been playing better, I never feel as if the team as a whole is well coached.
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Gordon has been a beast on D lately. They've finally got some players stepping up and making some plays on D.
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I've said all along I like the defense especially the back 7 not so much the front 4. Back 7 is finally all healthy and Eberflus is no longer playing that stupid zone defense letting receivers just waltz through wide open. Defense obviously took another step with Sweat which permits them to play more man.
Still too many big pass plays given up at the end of the 4th Q.
BUT they still need another presence or two on the front. None of the other edges have been that consistent. Maybe add an edge early in the draft or a quality FA (which are very difficult to find - see last year).
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I would feel much more confident if the Bears had lost to the Cardinals. But there is still a very real possibility that Carolina will win another game, or even two.
Always a possibility. But if they lose one and end up wiht the same record as the Cards the tiebreaker appears to favor the Bears.
Panthers are playing 2 teams fighting for the playoffs with the Jags game away. And Bucs are playing well as of late.
Getting the #1 draft choice will be easier than deciding what to do with it.
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Another one I heard was a swap with Steelers ,
we get their first and second in 2024 ,
their first and third in 2025 ,
and some stud DE they have whose last name begins with an H.
Heyward ... Highsmith ... ? I think it may be Highsmith.
I could post the 500 rumors about trading Fields to the Falcons, the Yankees , Manchester United , WNBA ...
but why bother ?
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Stick with the kid. Get the kings ransom for the pick. Get more talent. This will help whoever is QB in 2025 and make the team better overall. Of course, getting a good coaching staff would be good too.....
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FWIW when Fishbain mentioned the possibility of Eberflus staying or going, Bernstein emphatically said "GONE!" based on "internal and external conversations" he has had. Sure Dan is a arrogant blowhard. But he has developed sources close to Halas Hall over the years so we'll see...
Beating the Packers and possibly going 8-9 should NOT result in settling for an at best mediocre head coach and a new OC no matter how well the defense has played or how ecstatic George feels the day before Black Monday. There are many superior HC options out there to replace him with during a pivotal offseason where the Bears have an attractive package of draft picks with a clear ability to add more, ascending young players on the roster, and a healthy cap space. Do the right thing Kevin.
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Head coach Matt Eberflus is expected to return (https://www.nfl.com/news/analyzing-nfl-s-head-coaching-carousel-as-end-of-2023-regular-season-looms) as head coach in 2024 with a strong finish in the final two weeks of the season, NFL Network Insiders Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero reported, per sources.
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They will find a way to lose to the Packers.
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I just want a different OC.
Getsy has been good lately with the initial game plan but they lose steam around late first quarter and he isn’t responding with anything effective.
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Looks like Eberflus is coming back. I'll be surprised if they move on from Fields. As I said previously, Getsy is gone.. Bring in a more high profile OC (if possible). I wouldn't be opposed to Josh McDaniels.. Of course, most of his success was with Brady at the helm..
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Kevin Warren's reputation is on the line. He will do what is best for Kevin Warren. If he feels that staying with the Flus has a better chance of bringing this franchise out of the doldrums then he will retain him (with conditions I'm sure). I'm not so sure that I'd feel confident of that, considering the past record. But this is the Bears. Ready. Fire. Aim.....
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So the Bears went from 31st run defense last year to first right now.
Pass defense still low but has been better with Sweat for a total defensive ranking of 12.
Rappoport doesn’t just make stuff up so I suspect he’s right Eberflus stays.
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Bears clinch the #1 overall selection in the 2024 NFL draft.
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After Week 17, Bears own the #1 and #10 selections.
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Thanks again Lovie. As much as I disagree with settling with Eberflus, this offseason and draft will be a fun ride for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G7_Aiyfzc0
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I think this day settled two things. The Bears will have the first pick in the draft, and they will go with Fields as their quarterback going forward, making it almost certain that they will that first round pick.
During the season, their defense went from one of the worst in Bears history to a decent one, due to the general improvement of their defensive backfield and also by the trade for and signing of Sweat. The last few games have clarified and answered a number of questions, and given them a clear path for the upcoming off season and draft.
The improvement coming from the addition of Sweat to the defensive line was substantial, not only because of his pass rushing abilities, but because he was also very effective against the run. One of the priorities this off season should be to bring in a right defensive end that also excels in both. Dexter showed good improvement as the year went along, but bringing in a run stuffer would also strongly improve their line. They should be able to get both without having to use their number one pick.
The offensive line has a number of holes that have to be filled. Primarily at center and guard positions. Jenkins has been excellent when he has been able to play, but was bothered by non-career threatening injuries all year. But enough of those can be career destroying in themselves. Hopefully, Jenkins was just unlucky, but just in case he happens to be vulnerable to these over the long run, bring in a couple of guards to give depth. And a good swing tackle should also brought in, if possible.
It is time to bring in help at wide receiver. One man can't do it alone, and I don't see Mooney being the answer. I am reluctant to use the # 1 pick to bring in a wide receiver, but can understand if that is what they do. if not, trade or free agency has to bring in a couple of them that are substantially better then what they have. Moore can't be the only wide receiver target that Fields can rely on.
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Not sure if Poles or Houston blinked first, but Poles was ready to do a double trade down last year. But Moore probably would not have been attainable for the second pick. Poles has got be licking his chops at a possible double trade down with Wash and NE while still being able to draft MHJ away from AZ because they beat Philly if the standings remain as they are. This trade is looking more and more like the second coming of the Herschel Walker deal and then some...
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At this point, I see Poles having no choice regarding Fields. To be honest, if they make a good showing in packer land, you may very well see Getsy back..
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Let's get another weapon at WR. Also, I really think Scott will develop into a decent target. He's dropped a couple of tough one's, but I think once he catches that first one, he could be a threat as well. Of course I'm guessing we lose Mooney.. Although he hasn't exactly set the world on fire...
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Getsy should have been locked out of Halas for that stupid play call which resulted in Fields getting destroyed in the strip sack. He needed to be launched weeks ago.
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Hello all. Just woke up from hibernation. I'm for keeping Fields for at least another year especially with this organization's ineptitude in developing QBs. My choice is to take MHJ with our first pick and with our second selection Laiatu Latu or Jared Verse as a bookend pass rusher to Sweat. Then our defense becomes scary. Happy New Year to all!
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Happy New Year Joki! Good to hear from you..
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I would love getting Marvin Harrison Jr !
BUT ...
What's the MINIMUM that we could get for the #1 pick ?
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If Poles works it right, we can trade the #1 pick and still get MHJ.
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Also ...
Name some BEARRSE that should be in the PRO BOWL.
First time in along time.
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If Poles works it right, we can trade the #1 pick and still get MHJ.
Who has the highest draft pick among teams that are likely to pick MHJ with it? Arizona?
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Yes. #4 as of now.
Most people assume that Washington (#2) and New England (#3) will each want a quarterback.
https://www.tankathon.com/nfl
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There are currently 4 teams at 7-9 (draft slots 9-12), and 4 teams at 8-8 (draft slots 13-16). We are at 10 right now.
What’s the lowest we can drop to if we beat GB?
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Dave, I'm drinking whisky, so this analysis could be flawed, but I think this is the worst case scenario for draft position related to the Bears' own pick.
Game result / team record/ SOS (SOS NOT recalculated!)
ATL beats NO in New Orleans 8-9 0.423
CHI beats GB in Green Bay 8-9 0.463
LAS loses to DEN in Las Vegas 7-10 .489
MIN loses to DET in Detroit 7-10 .507
NO loses to ATL in New Orleans 8-9 .430
DEN beats LAS in Las Vegas 9-8 .485
SEA loses ro ARZ in Arizona 8-9 .515
CIN loses to CLE in Cincinnati 8-9 .581
Draft order of these teams that are currently 9-16
9 LAS
10 MIN
11 ATL
12 NO
13 CHI
14 SEA
15 CIN
16 DEN
Bears pick #13.
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https://www.bearstalk.com/2024/01/01/chicago-bears-2024-nfl-mock-draft-trade-first-pick-justin-fields-marvin-harrison-jr?
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For any of you dumbass fans (no offense to you personally) who want Jim F. Harbaugh to be the head coach of the Chicago Bears, I hope you're watching the Rose Bowl.
Harbaugh's team is poorly coached. Brutally so. It's pissing down its leg while Jim is being violently sodomized by Nick. It's ugly. Very, very ugly.
One of the worst "good" teams in college football history. Harbaugh sucks ****. Even if they miraculously pull out an undeserved victory, why the **** would you want this **** to coach our team?
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McCarthy pick six for the Alabama win coming right up. Harbaugh curse.
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Sarkisian blows. Longhorns are going to be rolled.
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Watch Bowers drop to 13. I’d be laughing as I filled out that draft card.
Georgia is the best college football team in the country. If you think I’m wrong, I’m not.
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That Harbaugh post did not age well, did it ? :D
But seriously, Flus is coming back next season. Mediocrity continues unabated at Halas Hall. Maybe with more talent they can eek out a couple of more wins and maybe a playoff game. That may be enough for Warren to get his stadium deal done so he can leave with his reputation intact. Or at least that's what he's betting on it seems by keeping things at more or less "status quo"......
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Nothing would make me happier than to see the Bears bounce the Packers out...and less than 24 hours later Kevin say those magic words, "we thank Matt for his service...but we decided..." It would be the most unbearsy thing to do ever.
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Here is the scenario I would like to see. Expect to see. First, Poles has done enough with free agency and the draft and trades to earn my trust in what moves he makes. I'd agree with Chif, a good showing by the offense and a win tips the scales in favor of keeping Getsy. A woeful loss like seals his fate. We have seen Fields improve this season, and Getsy has had his clunkers, but also has improved. It's either way with Getsy, I can see him back or gone.
Keep Fields and deal the top overall pick. Here is where I will trust Poles. If he feels that MHJ is the pick, then take him #1 overall or deal down as low as #3 and get what you can. Fortunately, Washington and New England both need QBs so if either is locked into one over the other the price will go up. If Poles feels there is another WR we can get from 5 -10, then get that one. We need another weapon opposite of Moore. If Poles deals Fields, I would b shaking my head, swallow hard, and have to accept what he is doing, but I wouldn't like it. If feels like Fields is starting to unlock his potential.
Open the vault and go get Daniele Hunter. Sweat and Hunter would make us formidable. Acquire a center via trade or FA, and double down drafting one. Whatever happened to the Iowa kid that we drafted for center. but never made it there? Did he go to Pittsburgh?
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One thing I do know from last nights Michigan / Alabama game is DO NOT draft the Alabama Center.
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That Harbaugh post did not age well, did it ? :D
I thought the same thing. I'm guessing Harbaugh got caught fukking Jeff's wife... LOL!!
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Like it or not, from everything I've read Eberflus is coming back. From what I've seen, everyone, from top to bottom has been learning while on the job. I've mentioned this before, Eberflus does not instill a lot of confidence (in anyone). With that said, I feel that he has gotten the D playing pretty darn well. We need a top notch O coordinator. We need someone that can get the most out of not just the O, but the most out of Fields (still room for improvement). Getsy seems to have gotten better, but so has Fields. If the Bears win this weekend, don't be surprised if Getsy returns.. Just sayin.. If the Bears win this weekend, you will see lot's of pumped up Bears fans this offseason..
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One thing Fields can do. How deflating is it for a D to get to the QB to only see him slip through the arms of not just one defender, but multiple..
Next season, we need to come out of the gate playing hard. Injuries are part of the game. Win this weekend and carry the momentum into next season..
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One more thing. The O line has been playing better lately as well. Just coincidence that Fields is playing better? Nope...
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Last year GB was in the same situation. Last game, Win and in. They were facing a hot up-and-coming team in Detroit. Let's make it a repeat for them.
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You realize we would be continuing the same cycle of get a quarterback fire the coach the next year and get another coach who was not involved with getting the quarterback.
Keep both Fluss and Fields or launch both.
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Swap first rouders with Wash. or N.E. and whatever else we can get.
We take Harrison jr ahead of Arizona.
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Justin Fields, the Chicago Bears and a quarterback conundrum (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39219170/chicago-bears-quarterback-justin-fields-caleb-williams-drake-maye-no-1-pick-2024-nfl-draft)
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Cronin mentioned on her podcast that Eberflus was indeed spoonfeed to Poles by Ted and George, much like Fox was Acorsied to Pace. I have always found that more plausible. So if and when Eberflus is fired now or after his lame duck season next year, hopefully Kevin will allow Poles to independently hire a new coach without influence from Armstrong or old fart ex GMs or ownership. That is unless George is willing to open the wallet for Harbaugh. And frankly there is a better chance that Eberflus is hoisting up the Lombardi trophy than that ever happening.
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Bears will not swing for the fences. The McCaskey curse is to remain mediocre. Standing pat does exactly that......
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The Bears have swung for the fences with player acquisition in the past with big deals for Cutty, Mack, Sweat, and signing Peppers at the opening bell for example. The problem is they have never swung for the fences when hiring a head coach. I suppose Wanny was the hot candidate when he got hired. And the one retread they did hire was already checked out on day one. Outside of Lovie for 3 solid seasons and Ditka, the jokers on the Bears sideline have been oozing slimy mediocrity and their record against the Packers is Exhibit 1. IMHO Eberflus will not be the one to buck that trend so why delay the inevitable a year later?
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Bears Should Move on from Matt Eberflus (https://www.dabearsblog.com/2024/bears-should-move-on-from-matt-eberflus)
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Justin Fields, the Chicago Bears and a quarterback conundrum
(https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39219170/chicago-bears-quarterback-justin-fields-caleb-williams-drake-maye-no-1-pick-2024-nfl-draft)
Good article and worth the read..
It's almost as if we get rid of Fields, Eberflus would need to go as well.
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Not sure if Poles or Houston blinked first, but Poles was ready to do a double trade down last year. But Moore probably would not have been attainable for the second pick. Poles has got be licking his chops at a possible double trade down with Wash and NE while still being able to draft MHJ away from AZ because they beat Philly if the standings remain as they are. This trade is looking more and more like the second coming of the Herschel Walker deal and then some...
Personally IMHO Harrison doesnt impress me much. The stud from Washington does. Michigan will have a hard time covering him.
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Penix can find 2 or 3 other receivers on Washington's team if Michigan puts too much focus on stopping Odunze.
I really like Odunze - he's big and very fast. BUT who was Ohio State's QB this year? MJH is a little taller and recorded the fast mph speed of ANY player in college football last year. Not impressed?
If Bears want the draft haul its more likely they'll have to trade down with a team out of the top 5 (like last year). Teams at 2 and 3 might just wait for the leftovers at QB unless they fall in love with somebody at 1. If Bears swap 1 for 3 or 1 for 2 - the draft haul will be much less than last year but they could get their guy (MJH).
If the Bears trade down any more than they could get one of the other top receivers or O-lineman, but with more picks in '23 and '24.
I don't envy Poles with QB, HC, and #1 draft decisions.
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Yeah I wouldn’t want to be in Poles shoes either.
Do you judge Eberfluss and Fields on the total body of work the last 2 years? Fail
Do you just give them a pass for last year because of a bad roster?
Do you give them a break on the first half this season? Fail
The second half their only signature win is Detroit. Just 2 weeks ago the offense was bad with their only touchdown drive consisting of one yard.
Still I see improvement in both. Eberflus has improved the defense and the team plays hard. They are mostly disciplined with few stupid penalties or blown assignments. The rookies are playing well and you just don’t see the confusion and chaos of badly coached teams. Fields by the eye test is more decisive and reading the field better but still has a way to go just to be middle of the pack among quarterbacks.
So do you build upon what they have or say enough is enough and reset.
My opinion is I would stay with both. Poles can really reinforce the roster this year and if he has to make changes next year then there will be a good foundation.
How many top ten quarterbacks the last three years are better than Fields? I can only think of Stroud.
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Nabers ands Odunze are too close in talent to MHJ to have a clear preference, especially when considering trading downwards to add draft capital. I don't see much value in drafting MHJ as the #1 pick, if you can get one of the other two, along with additional picks or players in a trade.
Quarterbacks are a different animal. Teams tend to fall in LOVE with a specific QB and are much more likely to overspend the one they set their sights on (witness Trubiski not so long ago). The Bears shoud trade their first pick to whoever wants it, and can return a pick that is likely to bring in Naburs or Odunze as well as another that can bring in an pass rusher.
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Alabama was the toughest test Michigan was going to face IMO. They've got a clear path to the trophy now...
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This is year one of a rebuild. Last year was a tear down year. This is the year Poles has added to the roster. He swung and missed on Claypool last year, yes. All GMs do that on occasion. The good ones admit it and learn from it. He admitted the mistake and we will see if he learned from it. Eberflues took this job knowing that it was a rebuilding team. These factors have to be taken into consideration. The team was torn apart and decimated last year. Even the players in the locker room were not liking it from their own words of "getting rid of Roquan and Rober Quinn" their team captains. It was a tear down and the record they posted last year was the result.
This is the first year of rebuilding that roster. So far I think Poles has done a good job. The start of the season was bad. Very bad. The progress this team has shown over the second half of the year is remarkable compared to the beginning of the year. That cannot be denied. Who gets that credit? Especially the credit for that locker room not destroying itself from within during the bad start. Through the Jalen Johnson issues, they stayed strong. Read the quotes from the players regarding their outlook on the team going into next year. They believe in Fields. They believe in Eberflues. They believe in this coaching staff. This whole front office and staff are in their positions for the first time in their careers. Poles first time GM. Eberfleus first time HC. Warren first time CEO. Getsey first time OC. Who know who they bring in for DC next year but that position was never refilled this year.
All this considered I say this year was a successful one. Despite the bad times. I have to trust that they will continue to make the right decisions for this team going forward.
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Good post. The one thing I've never understood is the expectation that a first-time head coach needs to be Vince Lombardi from Day 1. Same with coordinators. You draft a kid out of college, there is an expectation that he is going to get better over time. But not with coaches.
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My gut feeling is that Eberflus is the type of coach who is just "happy to be there" and the team does play that way. It feels like they love winning more than they hate losing. And that is NOT a championship trait.......
Every team makes mistakes, but this team seems to have a maddening time repeating them. That old saying "I'd rather be lucky than good" comes to mind. This teams seems to need an inordinate amount of luck to succeed.
We shall see. The trend is toward mediocrity in the league in general and the Bears have been quite all that and more over the recent decade......
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For right now, I have a positive view of this team. This Sunday could change that.. We need to win.. I think it would carry big during the offseason.. If we get blown out? Well, for now I'm just thinking about if we win..
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I don't think many will agree with me but I think the Packers game could define the future for who we see next year in Chicago.
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Puff piece (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/day-in-the-life-bears-president-ceo-kevin-warren) on Warren. No sign of Ted anywhere which is nice.
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Sunday is a Lucy game. So much rides on it from fans' perspectives, but I don't doubt Warren/Poles know what they are going to do, for better or worse.....
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Trading Fields would be a non conversation if we didn't own the #1 pick.
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2 of the main issues with Fields is passing against zone and his performance in the 4th quarter. I think this game will be a fine measuring stick on how far along he is.
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Somebody said this week that how the team plays in the 4th quarter is an insight into how they would perform in a playoff situation. I tend to agree......
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Mike Greenberg had an interesting opinion.
If the Bears draft a new quarterback he has to be three first round picks better than Fields.
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Well, that and a few million $$$…
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Courtney Cronin said on the score she talked with several former players asking if they thought the Bears should fire Getsy. The consensus was it takes a qb a year to fully learn new offense terminology and two years to learn the system.
Firing Getsy may actually be a setback for Fields.
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As much as I was on the fire Getsy train, I can see that side of the argument. All signs are pointing to retaining Eberflus. And if they keep Fields, would it mke sense to bring in another OC, AND would another OC come to the Bears where there is a chance the coach and QB would be flushed at the end of the 2024 season?
I think this is a repeat year where everyone is on a one year deal. Best case scenario, Flus is successful, Fields is retained and reaches his potential, and Getsy is being considered for a head coach vacancy. Worse case, we wipe it all out, and start fresh with all 3 replaced.
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Hopefully either way they have the draft capital to keep building- whether with Fields/Flus or someone else.....
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Per Schefter (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39250627/bill-belichick-future-headlines-uncertain-coaching-situations)
CHICAGO BEARS: There has been no official word from ownership or team president Kevin Warren, but signs point to coach Matt Eberflus returning for another season despite speculation from earlier this season about his future, according to league sources. The Bears have won recently, played inspired football and have more draft capital than any team in the league. They have had enough change in the past to want to try to be stable now.
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Changing an OC doesn't necessarily mean overhauling the system. I'm sure there is a file somewhere with Shanny/McVay acolytes who unlike Getsy actually had a season of NFL playcalling experience who would be fine to take a chance with a talent like Fields. Who knows maybe guys like Klint Kubiak or Liam Coen could be the next Bobby Slowik. Out of all the supposed question marks going into Sunday, I feel like Getsy has the most to lose if the offense sputters on Sunday. I say that because I refuse to see the Bears marrying yet another rookie QB to a lame duck coach...wash rinse spin repeat.
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would another OC come to the Bears where there is a chance the coach and QB would be flushed at the end of the 2024 season?
Look no further than Eric Bieniemy. Everyone and their brother knew Rivera was going to be gone after this year.
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Take 2 and a half minutes to watch this…
https://x.com/kylebrandt/status/1743285789998379203?s=61&t=jK5QHHCvDmcUYopR6prllg
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I like it...problem is now he has to go do it as does the rest of this team that hasn't figured GB out in decades.....not looking good. There's a tiny bit of hope in me but not much....not much....
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One thing, this GB team is not as good as some we've seen in the past.. Let's hope for a good game...
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At least the culture is awesome. Your move Kevin.
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Twitter is unreadable right now. Everything is either Williams, Harbaugh, or both…and I want neither…
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If you're speaking of Caleb Williams, I'd have to say I agree. I would take Harbaugh in a second over Eberflus. I'd say it's a high probability that we're firing Flus next season and starting over once again.. I don't hate the guy, I just don't see him as someone that can match up against the top coach's in the league..
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Does not surprise me in the least. People are pissed. Fields cannot get it done in crunch time. Michigan wins this week and the cry for Harbaugh will get even louder, although I'm not sure about him. QB, I think we need one that has all the tools and sees all the field. Need a wideout, safety, DL and OL as well. Anyway, we're in the offseason-again-without the playoffs-again. So yeah, people are pissed royal and want change...can't blame em....
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Bears hold the 1st and 9th selections in the 2024 NFL draft.
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I'm gonna jump and say put me squarely on the side of replacing Fields. There's enough tape there to say he isn't getting the job done. They need better play at that position. Trade him and grab a pick or two and move on....
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I could see either way, keeping Fields or replacing him. If keeping him, need a much better Oline to protect him. He takes more time to figure things out than any other good NFL QB.
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I don't know how anyone can judge Field's performance against the Pack based on the way the Pack handled the O-line.
He threw for 68% - 9 yards per pass play, but not many offenses can overcome 5 sacks.
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This is what I would do, if possible. I'm not sure what the ins and outs are of a rookie contract. I would offer Fields a contract (extension) that would benefit the Bears monetarily. Not a complete low ball but something real. If he takes it, fine. Otherwise, I move on. If we stick with Fields (either way). I spend some capitol on the two lines...
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Odds are that the Bears roll back with everyone next season, pretty much ensuring a failing and mediocre season next year and a coaching house-cleaning at the end of next year.
The good:
1. They should be able to garner more talent for the next coaching regime with the draft capital amassed.
2. They should be in good cap position to be able to re-sign/sign talent as needed.
The bad:
1. Another year wasted instead of doing the obvious and ripping off the bandage from the nearly dead horse that is the Bears franchise.
2. These are the same old sorry ass Bears.
If Warren chooses to stay the course and play it safe, then he is a token hire and I question his critical thinking ability and question whether he really has the power to do what he wants. He has tied his reputation to a albatross trying to get a stadium deal done with a moribund franchise. He has to sell hope. If he does not tell Poles to make changes then its obvious its the same old dysfunctional Bears.....
If Warren chooses to clean house (at least coaching side), he's taking a chance of failing spectacularly, but also possibly succeeding to break the McCaskey curse that has the Bears in its death grip....
You can't spell mediocrity without some McCaskey.........
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Don't the Bears have a DC position to fill? I don't believe they filled it and only had Eberflues take over the duties.
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I guess they did make a hire of a Defensive Analyst. Phil Snow was hired as a defensive analyst but no official coordinator hire.
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Twitter is unreadable right now. Everything is either Williams, Harbaugh, or both…and I want neither…
Yup, agreed 10 thousand percent. Harbaugh has a huge lot on the line tonight. IMHO he HAS to win tonight and I have serious doubts that happens.
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Wow. Washington has aleady asked permission to speak to Bears assistant GM Ian Cunningham. If they hire him, the Bears would receive two 3rd round compensatory picks in the 2025 draft. This according to ESPN 1000 radio.
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Wow. Washington has aleady asked permission to speak to Bears assistant GM Ian Cunningham. If they hire him, the Bears would receive two 3rd round compensatory picks in the 2025 draft. This according to ESPN 1000 radio.
It was only a matter of time - Cunningham had opportunities last season but decided to stay with the Bears. 2025 draft would include the Bears first rounders, their 2nd rounder and Carolina's and the three 3rd round picks. Plus who knows what they'll get from the 2024 #1 pick. That's at least 6 players in the top 100 in the '25 draft.
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Paranoid that I am I have to say it ...
CENTERS !! GIMME TWO !!
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Hell, I would settle for ONE. Not some shifted guard/tackle. Get a REAL **** CENTER for Christ's sake....
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Hell, I would settle for ONE. Not some shifted guard/tackle. Get a REAL **** CENTER for Christ's sake....
It has to be the pick of the third round , built like a fire hydrant with proven work ethic and clean injury history.
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Bears will sign a FA center even if they draft a center early. I have no idea who's out there.
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With this coaching staff it will be some guard/tackle or even some experiment such as a DE or some stupid crap like that.....
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Anyone see rumors that the Bears are getting ready to fire Getsy?
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That would be a minimal re-arranging of the deck chairs on the Bear-tanic so its something that may just happen as a sop to public opinion. "Our culture is excellent"....
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/1/8/24030671/bears-matt-eberflus-provide-answers-quarterback-justin-fields-ryan-poles-kevin-warren-fire-keep-nfl?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=010924%20Sports&utm_content=010924%20Sports+CID_a142cd97f116894e658ae963e6db84b0&utm_source=cst_campaign_monitor&utm_term=To%20stay%20Bears%20Matt%20Eberflus%20needs%20to%20provide%20answers%20starting%20with%20QB&tpcc=010924%20Sports
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/08/bears-dj-moore-provided-feedback-on-offense-during-his-exit-interview/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=2&email=***redacted***
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/chicago-bears-sign-10-players-to-2024-reserve-futures-contracts/?newsletter_origin=bearswire.usatoday.com&newsletter_post_position=3&email=***redacted***
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Heard on one the podcasts that yesterday in the locker room the mood was very light and joyful. I kind of understand that but it also seems to play into the "culture" Everlose has introduced- they are just happy to be there. I think it was Corey Wooten who said after the end of one of the seasons where they lost to the Packers they were NEVER happy for days afterward.
Its just circumstantial incident, but it does seem to at least reinforce what this team seems to be like. "Our Culture is Excellent"....
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"Collaboration" was theme for Pace and Nagy's walk to the plank.
Wolfson: “One thing [Warren] stressed to me was the importance of stability. They have a stadium plan, a team plan and they have a culture plan and he’s been very pleased with what he’s seen in terms of the improvement of Justin Fields and this team this year. Kevin Warren mentioned to me his time with Dick Vermeil with the [St. Louis] Rams and how it took until Year 3 to put it all together. He sees this as a similar situation.”
So during the State of the Bears when the prez and Poles officially handcuffs this franchise to yet another lame duck season and Harbaugh sets off to CA, bottoms up every time you hear the words "culture" and "stability."
Has Matt been fired yet?
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LOL, like Alex Brown and Lance Briggs said…those Rams teams had Marshall Faulk…and Kurt Warner…and Isaac Bruce…and Torry Holt…4 HOF’ers, and that’s just on offense…
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How about this trade?
Falcons receive:
1-1 (2024)
4-126 (2024)
Bears receive:
1-8 (2024)
2-43 (2024)
3-79 (2024)
1st round pick (2025)
2nd round pick (2025)
Center Drew Dalman
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You'd think Eberflus would have been fired by now if that was the intention. I'm wishy/washy on Fields, but if they keep him I am leaning towards canning Getsy.
I don't care that Fields has to learn another new system. CJ Stroud learned a new system and did well.
Getsy cannot adapt to the flow of the game. Receivers not named Moore or Kmet did not flourish. Bears need an OC that can adapt the offense to Fields strengths which is not sitting in the pocket. Bears are incapable of running HB/WR screens.
Granted some of the offensive issues could be due to Fields indecision and not Getsy's play calling. There's got to be some offensive minded head coaches that just lost their jobs that would make great OCs.
What exactly were Getsy's qualifiications? QB coach for Aaron Rodgers. I'm sure he had a lot of input on the Packers and Rodger's success.
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I am holding out hope they havent canned Everlose because they are just getting in contact with Harbough.
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WR
DE
CTR
RG
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CTR
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George doesn't even have to cut and paste the names when editing his wordperfect draft of the January 2021 shitshow (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/mccaskey-phillips-discuss-retaining-pace-nagy) if you want a preview of the presser later this week.
Can Kevin break the wheel? Does he even have the power to break the wheel?
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How about this trade?
Falcons receive:
1-1 (2024)
4-126 (2024)
Bears receive:
1-8 (2024)
2-43 (2024)
3-79 (2024)
1st round pick (2025)
2nd round pick (2025)
Center Drew Dalman
I assume in this scenario we keep Fields, rather than draft a Penix or Nix at 8 or 9?
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You could do either, Dave, but I want to see a couple years more of Fields.
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So we get 2 of Odunze/Nabers/Turner/Verse/Bowers…plus a likely top 5 next year when Williams turns out to be Young 2.0.
It’s a thought…
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/top-wr-draft-prospects-college-football-playoff-predictions/id915544088?i=1000640030724
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By the sounds of silence coming from the clown-show that is Halas Hall these days its either a monumental change incoming or maintaining the status quo (and the problem with crafting a viable message with that).
Someone reminded me of a Ted Phliips beauty from a post-season presser "Have we gotten the quarterback situation completely right? No. Have we won enough games? No. Everything else is there."
This sums up the current state of the Bears pretty well......
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Am I correct that not only is Poles not making any coaching moves neither is Warren? Does that include retaining Fields?
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Am I correct that not only is Poles not making any coaching moves neither is Warren? Does that include retaining Fields?
All the reports are that the end-of-season meetings between players, coaches, and executives are going to take the better part of a week at least. No action yet doesn't necessarily mean no changes at all.
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So we get 2 of Odunze/Nabers/Turner/Verse/Bowers…plus a likely top 5 next year when Williams turns out to be Young 2.0.
It’s a thought…
No Turner, no Verse. All offense. Please and thank you.
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Fact 1: Fields-to-Moore was one of the best QB-WR tandems this year.
Fact 2: Fields takes longer to get the ball out than the truly elite quarterbacks.
Fact 3: Fields' strength in the passing game is throwing the ball downfield.
What should we conclude?
Get him a top-level group of pass catchers. Build an offensive line to give him the time he needs.
It ain't rocket surgery, folks.
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Gotta have a D as well. We desperately need a top notch RDE. We have to do better at getting pressure..
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https://www.chicagobears.com/video/matt-eberflus-postgame-media-availability-press-conference-x6356
If anyone is interested in Eberflus post game presser..
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Fact 1: Fields-to-Moore was one of the best QB-WR tandems this year.
Fact 2: Fields takes longer to get the ball out than the truly elite quarterbacks.
Fact 3: Fields' strength in the passing game is throwing the ball downfield.
What should we conclude?
Get him a top-level group of pass catchers. Build an offensive line to give him the time he needs.
It ain't rocket surgery, folks.
I agree. Except that we need one top right DE as badly as any offensive position.
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Gotta have a D as well. We desperately need a top notch RDE. We have to do better at getting pressure..
Try not to be a traditional Bears meathead dope. No offense to you personally.
The D is already decent to good.
The O is terrible. Or at least terribly inconsistent.
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I agree. Except that we need one top right DE as badly as any offensive position.
Incorrect, as usual. No offense to you personally.
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I was looking at the main Bears twitter feed and the comments under the Corliss Waitman future contract signing and then I too wondered why not take a stab at Matt Araiza?
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Incorrect, as usual. No offense to you personally.
Whatever. Bears don't just need offense. Did you see the Green Bay game? Did you see Love sitting back throwing to wide open receivers? Did you see the d-line get manhandled?
The D did improve with the addition of Sweat, but what if teams double him? The rest of the d-lineman are just FA fill ins with the exception of Dexter who only flashed occasionally.
I agree that the Bears need upgrades on offense: a couple WRs, a center, maybe a RG. But they also could use a safety, a DE, another DT.
The most difficult to acquire is the pass rushing DE which is why many of us are eyeing one of the pass rushers with one of the first rounders. The interior O-lineman can be drafted in the middle rounds or picked up in free agency. It would be great to get MHJ with a trade down, but if not Odunze looks pretty good.
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Gotta have a D as well. We desperately need a top notch RDE. We have to do better at getting pressure..
We need a right DE and a 3 technique
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The general consensus is we need a RDE. Except for one idiot (don't take it personally). Only a fukking moron (don't take it personally) would think this D is set.
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Go get Daniele Hunter and plug him in at RDE. Move Jenkins back to right guard and leave that side alone. Davis can have the offseason to learn the LG position, or become expensive depth. Draft/and acquire a center in FA - get two. MHJ after a trade down with Washington or New England. Draft MHJ. BPA or trade down again with our number 9 pick.
That would be my offseason wish list.
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Davis was the worst OL right after Lucas Patrick. They both should be gone, just to get the stink off the OL room.
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Per Pelissero and Rap Getsy and Janocko gone. Not what I want. I want the HC launched first
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Deck chairs deck chairs deck chairs
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@AdamSchefter
After extensive meetings Monday and Tuesday, the Bears are not making a head coaching change and Matt Eberflus offically is expected to return for the 2024 season, per league sources.
9:34 AM · Jan 10, 2024
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKITYFUCK!
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https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/ryan-poles-nfl-trade-rumors-fields/
It appears thats whats coming. I'd be shocked if Poles keeps the pick and drafts a QB #1
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Appears that Eberflus is going to be retained - but there will be a new OC and DC. So that's some change.
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If they bring back sad-sack Everlose then it appears bears will continue to Bear. Re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while the band played on........
After they fire everyone after next years mediocre/disastrous year hopefully they will have restocked talent for the next regime to actually build a champion. Yeah, what world do I live in.......
I guess the rumor that Packers stock is being re-issued with the clause "ownership in the Green Bay Packers and Chicago Bears." is true....
Poles' albatross around his neck is Everlose. But the REAL losers are the fans.........
Garbage ownership, garbage franchise. They are now officially the new Cleveland Browns......
The McCaskey curse is in full swing, unfortunately.......
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The Browns have a game this weekend…
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Appears that Eberflus is going to be retained - but there will be a new OC and DC. So that's some change.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/1/10/24032978/5-chicago-bears-offensive-coordinator-candidates-as-they-move-on-from-luke-getsy
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For those with an Athletic sub...good list from Jahns
Who replaces Luke Getsy? 14 offensive coordinator candidates for the Bears to consider (https://theathletic.com/5188328/2024/01/10/chicago-bears-offensive-coordinator-candidates/)
The FAs
Greg Roman | Former Ravens, Bills and 49ers offensive coordinator
Frank Reich | Former Panthers, Colts head coach
The potential free agents
Eric Bieniemy | Commanders offensive coordinator
Thomas Brown | Panthers offensive coordinator
Jim Caldwell | Panthers special adviser
Kellen Moore | Chargers offensive coordinator
The potential play callers
Darrell Bevell | Dolphins quarterbacks coach/passing game coordinator
Marcus Brady | Eagles senior offensive assistant
Brian Callahan | Bengals offensive coordinator
Klint Kubiak | 49ers passing game coordinator
Mike LaFleur | Rams offensive coordinator
Zac Robinson | Rams passing game coordinator/quarterbacks coach
Frank Smith | Dolphins offensive coordinator
The college connection
Kliff Kingsbury | USC senior offensive analyst/quarterbacks coach
LaFleur and Callahan do not call the plays so it's not exactly a lateral move for them. Getting Kingbury would scream Caleb and a Justin trade.
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Another list. Lots of overlap with The Athletic article.
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/top-potential-bears-offensive-coordinator-candidates-ranked
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Getting Kingbury would scream Caleb and a Justin trade.
Agreed
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And for the record, I like Caleb a lot and I like Justin a lot. Drafting Caleb with this one year rental staff is the definition of insanity. Much like the insane move of retaining a historically incompetent 4th quarter victory snatcher.
So instead of playing it safe with a hopscotch trade down with Wash/NE, I am willing to lose the opportunity to draft MHJ and fleece the living **** out of a team beyond what the Bears did to Carolina and build up this roster, especially in the trenches. So that when they do reset and finally line up new HC/QB/OC, the roster will overcome the growing pains that comes with a rookie QB in 2025.
But of course there is a "slight" chance that the Bears are gonna Bears it again wash rinse spin repeat.
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So Getsy did get fired. I can see ending that experiment. What was his credentials? I can hear the conversation with Rodgers now.. So Aaron, I think we should... Oh you want to... OK....
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At least we won’t see screens and end runs with the smallest receiver blocking the defensive end.
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But we will still see defensive players being rotated on a hard count without taking into context the importance of a particular drive. When the game is on the line, you want your BEST players on the field. Not the BEST RESTED players on the field......
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At least we won’t see screens and end runs with the smallest receiver blocking the defensive end.
Don't forget to add always to the short side of the field.....
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Who wants to come to a team with a HC that is a dead man walking? Whoever takes it knows it is more than likely a one year gig.
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Montez more than makes up for Claypool. His draft record is promising.
But Strike 1 against Poles is hiring Eberflus. And Strike 2, the biggest so far, against Poles is retaining Eberflus. I just fail to understand how a GM can logically tie his career to him. Yeah I know Harbaugh was never going to happen. But IMO the offensive coaching market and the QBs in this draft is just so strong with 1.01 that a reset HC/QB alignment would have been an obvious turnkey THIS offseason and given you a longer leash/job security down the road. Again, why delay the inevitable one year too late and jeopardize your career at the same time?
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Who wants to come to a team with a HC that is a dead man walking? Whoever takes it knows it is more than likely a one year gig.
Again, look no further than Eric Bieniemy last year. They are out there.
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Who wants to come to a team with a HC that is a dead man walking? Whoever takes it knows it is more than likely a one year gig.
Greg Roman is out of work and he coached Lamar to MVP.
So he understands running quarterbacks. I’ve heard he’s not good at scheming the passing game so he would need a good passing game coordinator.
Bienemy has to be considered with his success with Mahommes and how the Chiefs offense has regressed without him.
I’m sure all the experienced guys want a HC job but several won’t get it.
It’s not a surprise if they hire a guy like Mike McDaniel who was a passing game coordinator.
I just want someone who can scheme to Fields abilities if they keep him.
As the hiring shake out in February those left without a chair in the musical chairs game will be looking for a job to remain relevant.
On the other hand, Poles and Fluss may have their eyes on an assistant with no coordination experience who could be hired soon.
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FWIW...
Dave Wannstedt for DC
Norv Turner for OC
Mr. Ditka Special Teams Coach
:)
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The Bears are champions at embracing
continuity mediocrity. McCaskey curse ! What I feared most has happened....
1. Warren is just there to attempt to polish the turd that is this franchise and get a stadium deal done...
2. Poles will fail because Everlose will be the albatross around his neck that he can't afford to distance himself from (probably something to do with sharing the same agent).....
3. Everlose will continue to stumble through post-loss press conferences to justify his job. He will mystify and baffle fans with losses that should be wins, as he attempts to get a lame-duck OC to keep his head above water....
4. And if they extend Everlose so they can get an OC who does not want to be paired with a lame-duck HC, the Bears have done something TRULY unique- they TRIPLED down on stupid.....
On the positive side, the madness has to end sometime. Doesn't it ????
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WR
DE
CTR
RG
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CTR
Before the draft.
Any objections ?
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Having Chris Morgan as a holdover would suggest the next OC will probably be part of the Shanny McVay Kubiak tree. Might have to wait a while for Klint Kubiak though and would he want to come to a lame duck situation...
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No, you're not the Cleveland Browns.
They're in the Playoffs.
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@TomPelissero
The #Bears requested an interview with #Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron for their OC job, per source.
With Pete Carroll out, Seattle’s assistants are now available, and Chicago is moving quickly after making a change today.
9:20 PM · Jan 10, 2024
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Incorrect, as usual. No offense to you personally.
Actually, you are wrong, as usual. No offense to you personally.
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Who wants to come to a team with a HC that is a dead man walking? Whoever takes it knows it is more than likely a one year gig.
Or maybe he has a chance to be the first guy to be considered for replacing Eberfluss...
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Montez more than makes up for Claypool. His draft record is promising.
But Strike 1 against Poles is hiring Eberflus. And Strike 2, the biggest so far, against Poles is retaining Eberflus. I just fail to understand how a GM can logically tie his career to him. Yeah I know Harbaugh was never going to happen. But IMO the offensive coaching market and the QBs in this draft is just so strong with 1.01 that a reset HC/QB alignment would have been an obvious turnkey THIS offseason and given you a longer leash/job security down the road. Again, why delay the inevitable one year too late and jeopardize your career at the same time?
Maybe the decision wasn't Poles...or maybe not even Warren's. Guess who that leaves.
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Same old same old:
Jim Harbaugh was never going to be the next head coach of the Chicago Bears. It’s not because Harbaugh isn’t qualified. He certainly is. Harbaugh has found a way to win wherever he goes, from taking the downtrodden Stanford Cardinal and leading them to a prestigious Orange Bowl win, to leading the 49ers to three-straight NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl appearance, to bringing a national championship back to his alma mater at Michigan.
It’s not that Harbaugh wasn’t interested in returning to the NFL. He’s long been linked to a new job in the pros, and reportedly hired a new agent. Consensus says that move indicates he’s seriously considering leaving Michigan.
It’s because the Bears never reached out to Harbaugh.
“I haven’t talked to Jim,” Bears GM Ryan Poles said in his year-end press conference at Halas Hall. “He’s the coach at Michigan.”
On the surface it seems like negligence on the Bears’ part. The Bears are so process-oriented, so focused on every detail and turning over every stone, that it’s surprising to hear they didn’t reach out to Harbaugh to at least gauge his interest in leading the team. They went through thorough evaluations on top quarterbacks when they had the opportunity to draft one last year, and they’ll do the same this year, as they should. If the team has the opportunity to add a game changer at head coach, one would imagine they’d treat it like every other opportunity and explore it.
To be fair, Poles might have given the opportunity some thought at any point over the past several months. But it sounds like when his evaluation of head coach Matt Eberflus was done, so was the evaluation of any other head coach candidate.
“We’re going with Matt,” Poles said. “I didn’t go talk to anybody.”
The Bears believe they have their guy in Eberflus. They’re impressed by the way he kept the team from crumbling when they lost their 14th game in a row.
“I really think that the head coach needs to be able to captain the ship when the seas have storms, and really keep everything settled,” Poles said. “When you go through hard times and he can keep everyone together, to me, that’s the critical piece. In a big market like this, you have to be strong. I mean, if he’s jumping off the boat and everyone else starts jumping off the boat, it’s a hot mess. So the stability was a big piece of it.”
There’s no reason to believe Harbaugh wouldn’t have been a strong captain if he was at the helm. That probably didn’t matter though, since it’s clear the Bears didn’t want to rock the boat.
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Parkins on the Score had Shane Waldron as his choice, so interesting this is being reported. I would include Bienemy and Reich on this list. All three have coached offenses and called plays. I believe Waldron worked with Russel Wilson, of course Bienemy had Mahomes, and Reich has worked with multiple QB's The Poles Bienemy connection may work in our favor, and would allow Bienemy to go to a rising contender and be the sole coordinator, prepping him for a HC job.
Hope we strike quickly before head coaches start getting hired and filling out their coaching rosters.
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NFL is generally a copy cat league and I strongly prefer having an offensive HC for continuity sake. But considering the cards we're dealt with, I would never fear the chance that an OC becomes worthy of an HC promotion. That is not ideal but that means your offense takes a significant step and the QB is being developed properly which would make the job more attractive for the next one.
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This press conference has an even worse feeling than the one where they retained Nagy/Pace for another lame-duck year. There is so much potential they pissed down their legs that it is almost criminal. McCaskey curse......
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Maybe the decision wasn't Poles...or maybe not even Warren's. Guess who that leaves.
Virginia !
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@JFowlerESPN
#Bears plan to interview #49ers passing game coordinator Klint Kubiak for their OC job, per sources.
7:21 PM · Jan 11, 2024
It's a tough call between Waldron and Kubiak though Waldron has been considered an HC candidate in some circles. Unlike Getsy, Kubiak has at least called plays at the NFL level at MN for a season. I want the new OC to be younger, autonomous, and exhibit those leadership qualities to make Eberflus uncomfortable enough to look over his shoulder. No soft landings with Reich.
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How about Leslie Frazier (https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/leslie-frazier-matt-eberflus-tremaine-edmunds-bears/) for DC. The Chargers are interviewing him (read Rooney) for HC.
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When I hear the word continuity in reference to the Bears I only see the combined urine pool Poles/Warren/Flus made when they pissed down their pants the best chance in forever to reset the franchise on a new course.....
:D
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Frazier would be a great hire for DC.
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That means the Bears will not pursue him....Bearrssse... ::)
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I'm trying to stay optimistic (I've been groomed from being a Cubs fan my whole life). I just can't get past Eberflus. When I think of him coaching against a John Harbaugh I just don't have any confidence...
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You can be confident the team will be unprepared, not make any adjustments, and choke in the fourth quarter. What more could you ask for? ;)
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Well the lying season in the NFL has started. Will Poles trade down or not ? Its kind of funny because you get reasoned (or at least semi-reasoned) arguments for both. One thing I can give Poles credit for- he does seem to keep his cards close to his chest and his powder dry.....
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@JFowlerESPN
#Bears plan to interview #49ers passing game coordinator Klint Kubiak for their OC job, per sources.
7:21 PM · Jan 11, 2024
It's a tough call between Waldron and Kubiak though Waldron has been considered an HC candidate in some circles. Unlike Getsy, Kubiak has at least called plays at the NFL level at MN for a season. I want the new OC to be younger, autonomous, and exhibit those leadership qualities to make Eberflus uncomfortable enough to look over his shoulder. No soft landings with Reich.
The same Klint Kubiak who took the last pick in the NFL at QB and put Frisco where they are today ?
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@jjones9
The Bears plan to interview Kentucky offensive coordinator/QBs coach Liam Coen for their vacant OC position, source says. Coen was the OC for the Rams in 2022.
8:26 PM · Jan 12, 2024
Gabriel mentioned him and he did make Levis look alright. But I would much prefer Kubiak (possibly the next Slowik) or Waldron.
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@BradBiggs
The #Bears are working to fill out Matt Eberflus' coaching staff and now they have a significant departure outside of football operations. Senior vice president/general counsel Cliff Stein is out after nearly 22 years.
4:13 PM · Jan 13, 2024
That's a loss. Dude is a cap master when dealing with the agents and hammering out contracts.
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Bears will pick the one with the biggest clown shoes. Count on it.
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@MikeSilver
The Bears interviewed former Raiders OC Greg Olson, most recently the Seahawks' QB coach, for their vacant OC job Friday
5:46 PM · Jan 13, 2024
Parkins was right. QB coach under the Shoopster. HARD PASS. Wait for Kubiak or Waldron
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Watching the Bears over the years continually making the wrong coaching choices is like driving with a student driver that keeps driving the car into the ditch. At some point you just want to toss the kid in the trunk and get behind the wheel.....
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Granted most NFL fanbases hate their OC. But if you were wondering why Seahawks fans were laughing at the possibility of him going to Chi...
Why Shane Waldron is NOT the answer for the Bears offensive coordinator vacancy (https://www.chicitysports.com/shane-waldron-wont-vastly-improve-bears)
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Kind of funny aside, a friend texted me about the Bears and misspelled Flus as Fkus. We both did a double take of LOLs and now have a new name for the Bears HC..... :D
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facebook posts take it for what its worth, Atlanta's 8 pick for you know who. thats a 1, 8, and nine with a spanking new offensive staff anyway, why the hell not?
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I think that's based on a comment by Mel Kiper.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2024/01/15/justin-fields-rumors/
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Where has Poles fuucked up so far and where has he succeeded ?
I know that I will be hated by THE ADMINISTRATOR about this ...
but ...
it's 2024.
HAPPY NEW YEAR BEARS FANS !
2023 is last years cheese and bean burrito (with red sauce) fart wafting onto a Lake Michigan breeze ...
it's time for 2024 with the first round pick. ;)
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If they can get a top ten pick for Fields and think the QB they want at #1 is better than do it.
I am not sure anyone is really willing to give a top ten pick for him though.
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I am perfectly fine sticking with Fields and trading the #1. Either way they should be able to stack some talent.
Then they just have to get the right OC in place.
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And pick the right talent
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Where has Poles fuucked up so far and where has he succeeded ?
Hiring and keeping a shitty head coach and The Trade last year
I would be surprised, but if Roman somehow become OC, Justin is locked in for 24.
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If Mel was correct, Fields would already be in ATL.
Mel's BFF Darnold was traded for a 6th that year and a 2nd and 4th the following draft year. The consensus is that Fields would fetch at best a low 2nd or 3rd.
Pace inexplicably traded up one spot to 2 for a 2nd, 4th, and 3rd the following year. If Magic Johnson is really pushing for the local kid to come back home, Poles should baseline at the very least a 2nd, 3rd and a 1st next year even for one spot. The hype around CW is unprecedented and Poles holds all the cards if he decides to trade.
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Don't forget- its the lying season in the NFL !
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If Poles could get any 1st rounder for Fields he would be executive of the year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvXvgqodEw4
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Good information.
I especially liked his assessment of Fields, saying he hasn’t been coached at all for 3 years. And that a respected coach told him Fields big problem is his slow drop back which can easily be corrected.
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Gabe also mentioned in a previous podcast that his contact with the Texans felt that Justin never stood a chance. Slowik had a plan in place. More snaps under center to better disguise the play action, incorporating concepts that made Stroud successful at OSU, and just KEEPING IT SIMPLE. What did Justin say early in the season before being forced to walk it back? He was being overcoached. In this ego driven coaching world, sometimes they lose sight of the fact that the basic key to winning football really is blocking and tackling.
That being said, Fields did miss a lot of open receivers and for whatever reason could not pull the trigger. One of those hesitations cost him 4 weeks. So much like seeing ghosts from poor pass blocking, Justin has got to block out the noise and just let it loose especially down the middle of the field against zone. I refuse to believe that Stroud is light years better in talent than Fields even though the stats say otherwise. IMO, Kubiak is number one on my OC list and is worth the wait.
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I tend to agree with you but we all saw Bagent come in and the ball was coming out quickly. Quick decisions - quick release. Sacks went down too.
We all know that Bagent doesn't have the athletic ability or the strong arm that Field posseses but you could see the difference.
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I see Harbaugh is interviewing for an NFL job.. All while the Bears stay with Flus... Because, well, that's the Bear thing to do...
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@josephperson
Panthers offensive coordinator Thomas Brown (https://theathletic.com/3392816/2022/07/05/thomas-brown-rams-georgia-coach/) is meeting with the Bears today about their vacant OC job, per league sources. Brown also is set to interview this week with the Titans for their head coaching position.
11:11 AM · Jan 17, 2024
Nothing against him, but I hope this isn't a precursor to a Reich transition.
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That's who we want, the OC from the worst team in the NFL.... ::)
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Its all re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, anyway when Mediocre George ensured coach Fkus would stay (after all, George is just a football fan anyhow)........
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Maybe someone should have reminded just a football fan that his favorite team might be forced (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bears-broncos-saints-can-be-forced-to-do-hard-knocks-in-2024-training-camp) to do Hard Knocks because they stuck with Coach Continuity. George won't be able to throw the "do you know who my granddaddy is?" card much longer.
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That's who we want, the OC from the worst team in the NFL.... ::)
Haha, of course we do.
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@JFowlerESPN
The #Bears have requested to interview Marcus Brady for their offensive coordinator position, per source. Brady is currently on the Eagles staff and was the OC in Indy under Frank Reich.
8:37 AM · Jan 18, 2024
Ruh roh, Reich alert
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@AlbertBreer
Source: The Bears are interviewing Rams pass-game coordinator/QBs coach Zac Robinson for their offensive coordinator job today.
10:32 AM · Jan 18, 2024
Why does this coaching search appear to be much more thorough than Poles 1st head coaching search or Eberflus' 1st OC hire? The fact that Eberflus done fuckedup by hiring Getsy and that Poles, as the GM, has to handhold this whole damn process when everybody knew that the most important hire from the start in 2022 offseason was the offensive coordinator is annoying as hell. One of the biggest reasons why Eberflus shouldn't even be here in the first place!
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@AdamSchefter
Former Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury, a senior offensive analyst and quarterbacks coach at USC, is expected to interview for the Chicago Bears’ offensive coordinator job, per sources. Kingsbury’s USC QB Caleb Williams is expected to receive strong consideration to become the Bears’ No. 1 overall pick.
12:48 PM · Jan 18, 2024
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If I am the Bears I dont hire Kingsbury.
I surely dont want the Bears to draft Williams.
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If I am the Bears I dont hire Kingsbury.
I surely dont want the Bears to draft Williams.
I can't say that I favor one OC over another. Just get one that's called plays in the NFL.
As for Kingsbury, he did coach Manziel and Mahomes in college and Kyler Murray (offensive rookie of the year - 3 pro bowls) - all did quite well under his coaching.
I guess he's not what most Chicago fans wants which is a guy who is going run the ball 40 times a game.
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Cliff Stein’s rise and fall and what led to his dismissal (https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2024/1/18/24042979/cliff-steins-rise-and-fall-and-what-led-to-his-dismissal-chicago-bears-kevin-warren-ted-phillips)
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I can't say that I favor one OC over another. Just get one that's called plays in the NFL.
I also want a young up and coming OC to have a breakthrough with his QB and the locker room that would be so blatantly obvious that he could easily Koetter his way in as HC of the Bears in '25 and no one would bat an eye even if they did make the playoffs. You know, for continuity sake.
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@AlbertBreer
Source: The Bears are interviewing Rams pass-game coordinator/QBs coach Zac Robinson for their offensive coordinator job today.
10:32 AM · Jan 18, 2024
Why does this coaching search appear to be much more thorough than Poles 1st head coaching search or Eberflus' 1st OC hire? The fact that Eberflus done fuckedup by hiring Getsy and that Poles, as the GM, has to handhold this whole damn process when everybody knew that the most important hire from the start in 2022 offseason was the offensive coordinator is annoying as hell. One of the biggest reasons why Eberflus shouldn't even be here in the first place!
I have two thoughts why this may be taking so long. Regarding the abbreviated search for OC the past search, it is reported that most head coaching candidates have already vetted their proposed staffs. When they interview for the HC position, they outline who they would have as picks to fill out their staff. That said, Eberflus went with former known commodities to him for most options, but selected Getsy from the McVay/Lafleur coaching tree. He missed.
My second thought was Fields had one year under Nagy. It was so choppy, that they likely didn't know the depth of his tools, much more refined as a runner than passer. The offensive line was a mess, I don't think anyone was looking at him at the time out of the Newton/Jackson/mold.
Does anyone think like me that they have already identified their OC, and some of these interviews are to fill out the staff, or throw off what their plans are at QB, keep Fields or draft one? I guess that is three thoughts. My gut tells me they are interested in Kubiak and he is tied up in the playoffs right now.
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Here's what I think. The Bears' management has no idea what do with Fields or the #1 pick. So they are picking the brains of every potential OC out there to see what they would do.
"If you were OC for the Bears would you like to coach Caleb Williams or would you prefer to keep Fields?" "And what kind of things would you do with him?"
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https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2024/1/19/24043608/top-ten-mock-draft-chicago-bears-select-drake-maye-edition-washington-trade-caleb-williams
I like this: I hope the draft works like this. Its why I dont want Kingsbury to destroy this type of draft.
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Getting back to thoughts on Williams as QB and what USC had for an Oline is what the Bears have now. If ypu got Williams and plugged him in, he isnt going to succeed any better than Fields. We
need to build an offensive line to protect our QB whoever he is. What we have now is a hodge podge pile of manure.
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Y'all just wait. The combine is coming and we will further see just whats out there. Thats the first step towards the May draft.
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And just for the record: IMHO opinion the Bears need to crap or get off the pot on this OC decision before the combine begins.
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And just for the record: IMHO opinion the Bears need to crap or get off the pot on this OC decision before the combine begins.
That gives them around six weeks. I think they'll make it.
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A lot of the good candidates are still in the playoffs so I don’t expect any hiring until February.
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That could present a problem. I thought I read the combine begins the end of January
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February 29-march3
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OK
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Jeff King was also interviewed for the Chargers GM job. If Cunningham did get hired by the Chargers, what if he snagged King as an Asst. GM and Poles would be unable to block. That would leave 2 gaping holes in the FO prior to one of the most pivotal offseason for the Bears. Not ideal.
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I wonder if Bobby Slowick is the son of the Bears DC Bob Slowick of 20 years ago.
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I wonder if Bobby Slowick is the son of the Bears DC Bob Slowick of 20 years ago.
You know that google is a thing, right?
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I wonder if Bobby Slowick is the son of the Bears DC Bob Slowick of 20 years ago.
He is.
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It's 2024 but we're talkin BEARS fans who constantly live in the motherfuuckin past.
2024 Chicago Bears thread ... why bother ?
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Here's what I think. The Bears' management has no idea what do with Fields or the #1 pick. So they are picking the brains of every potential OC out there to see what they would do.
"If you were OC for the Bears would you like to coach Caleb Williams or would you prefer to keep Fields?" "And what kind of things would you do with him?"
I would hope they are collecting opinions, to make the best decisions. Maybe see or hear something, that they hadn't considered or to confirm what they are already thinking.
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@TomPelissero
#Titans defensive pass game coordinator/CBs coach Chris Harris will interview for the #Bears defensive coordinator job, per source.
A onetime Bears draft pick who became a highly respected player in Chicago, Harris also interviewed for the #Jaguars DC job this past week.
11:19 AM · Jan 21, 2024
Bet it would be funny for Hoke to see his former player become more or less his boss. Frazier should be on the short list as well. Hell bring in Rivera to the party.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/1/22/24046713/bears-offensive-coordinator-shane-waldron-ryan-poles-luke-getsy-seahawks-pete-caroll-matt-eberflus?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=012224%20SPORTS%20BREAKING%20BEARS%20WALDRON&utm_content=012224%20SPORTS%20BREAKING%20BEARS%20WALDRON+CID_b30b79c841a4e4f954b1e70d8fa8c8b5&utm_source=cst_campaign_monitor&utm_term=Bears%20closing%20in%20on%20deal%20with%20offensive%20coordinator%20Shane%20Waldron&tpcc=012224%20SPORTS%20BREAKING%20BEARS%20WALDRON
Hmmm so he coached up Geno Smith. He might be our guy.
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Not likely but interesting:
New QB or Marvin Harrison Jr.? That’s largely been the debate for what the Bears should do at the top of the draft.
The team has the No. 1 overall pick, for the second year in a row, so they’ll have the unique opportunity to do whatever they want at the top of the draft. GM Ryan Poles can draft his first quarterback and reset the clock for a bigtime QB contract with one of two highly-touted prospects. Or he can pick a dynamic wide receiver, who some believe is the most talented player on the board, to help whoever ends up under center.
But what if he could do both?
That’s what we’re going to explore in this mock draft. As always, this mock draft is not an attempt to predict what the Bears will actually do when they’re back in the War Room next offseason. That’s impossible. Nor is it meant as a recommendation of what the Bears should do. This mock draft is meant as an opportunity to dig into some of the intriguing college prospects this season, and how those players may fit in Chicago.
NO. 1: CALEB WILLIAMS - QUARTERBACK - USC
Last year, Ryan Poles passed on picking a new quarterback and traded away the No. 1 pick for a DJ Moore and a bounty of other draft selections. He can’t resist the opportunity to add a young, talented QB again, though. There are reasons to believe Justin Fields can succeed as an NFL quarterback, but he’ll need to be paid a hefty contract soon and the Bears aren’t quite ready to contend for Super Bowls yet. So Poles opts to trade Fields, draft Williams and give the Bears more runway to win with a QB on a rookie deal.
Williams has all the same big-play upside that Fields brings to the offense. He’s a threat to score with his legs, has a top-notch deep ball and can turn busted plays into explosive gains with his off-script improvisations. Ball security issues cropped up with nine fumbles this season, but over the breadth of his career, Williams has taken very good care of the football. He’s also effective working as a rhythm and timing passer. There’s a reason he’s one of the most highly-touted quarterback prospects since Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence came out in 2020 and 2021.
TRADE! BEARS RECEIVE NOS. 4, 133 PICKS FROM CARDINALS IN EXCHANGE FOR NOS. 9, 110 AND 2025 SECOND-ROUND PICK
Poles has never been shy about making big-time trades to get his guys, and he pulls off another blockbuster on draft night. When the Patriots opt to go with LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers with the No. 3 overall pick, Poles rushes to call the Cardinals and puts together a package to move up five spots so he can pair a dynamite pass catcher with his new QB. He manages to keep his third-round pick, too.
NO. 4: MARVIN HARRISON JR. - WIDE RECEIVER - OHIO STATE
After two down years with the team, Darnell Mooney’s time in Chicago could be done. Whether or not he sticks around, the team will need a new No. 2 wide receiver. With Harrison Jr., one could argue they get a second WR1.
Harrison Jr. can do it all and beats defenses in a variety of ways. He’s great off the line, he’s a wonderful route runner and boasts phenomenal hands when catching the ball. Beyond the raw talent and technique, Harrison Jr. has also been lauded for his top-notch work ethic and supreme competitive drive.
Over the past two seasons, Harrison Jr. caught 144 passes for 2,474 yards and 28 touchdowns. He won the Biletnikoff Award in 2023, which recognizes the best wide receiver in the nation and finished fourth in Heisman voting.
He’s as blue-chip as blue-chip gets.
NO. 75: RUKE ORHORHORO - DEFENSIVE TACKLE - CLEMSON
The Bears have a bigger need at defensive end, since they’ll need to find someone to rotate in with DeMarcus Walker opposite Montez Sweat. But if they decide not to bring back Justin Jones, the team will need to add an interior player as well.
Orhorhoro doesn’t get the same attention as Johnny Newton or T’Vondre Sweat do, but he checks several boxes for Matt Eberflus and the Bears defense. First, he’s equally effective defending the run as he is rushing the passer. Orhorhoro is a big dude– he’s 6’4”, 295 lbs.-- but he moves really well for his size. He gets off the ball well and can shoot the gap or beat one-on-ones when he has the opportunity. Second, he’s got a good motor and makes plays in pursuit. If Orhorhoro isn’t the first player to the ball, he’s usually not far behind and doesn’t quit on the play. Finally, he’s a versatile player who can line up practically anywhere on the defensive line. For the most part, Orhorhoro lined up in the b-gap for the Tigers, but he played nose tackle and even some defensive end. Eberflus loves players he can move around the formation and values the flexibility those types of players bring to the table.
Finally, there’s good reason to believe Orhorhoro’s best ball is ahead of him. He only started playing football during his junior year of high school, so he’s relatively new to the game compared to most draft prospects.
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Safe pick i suppose. The Bears were blocked from interviewing Kellen Moore over the weekend and so that was a quick pivot. Kubiak or Kingsbury could have been bigger threats for Eberflus' job if they had a offensive breakthrough but I'm sure that was never on his mind whatsoever. There's a chance Greg Olson might come back as QB coach. Yippee.
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I think AZ would want much more than that to pry MHJ from their cold dead hands.
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NO. 1: CALEB WILLIAMS - QUARTERBACK - USC
Last year, Ryan Poles passed on picking a new quarterback and traded away the No. 1 pick for a DJ Moore and a bounty of other draft selections. He can’t resist the opportunity to add a young, talented QB again, though. There are reasons to believe Justin Fields can succeed as an NFL quarterback, but he’ll need to be paid a hefty contract soon and the Bears aren’t quite ready to contend for Super Bowls yet. So Poles opts to trade Fields, draft Williams and give the Bears more runway to win with a QB on a rookie deal.
God I hope not. This guy isnt any different than the USC guy we already see. His Bears Oline wont be any different than the one he had at USC. IMHO we have to find/develop something better than Williams. And build the trenches. Weed the manure out.
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Just heard Biggs mention that Poles, Eberflus, and Waldron all share the same representatives. So Trace Armstrong strikes again... ::)
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NO. 1: CALEB WILLIAMS - QUARTERBACK - USC
Last year, Ryan Poles passed on picking a new quarterback and traded away the No. 1 pick for a DJ Moore and a bounty of other draft selections. He can’t resist the opportunity to add a young, talented QB again, though. There are reasons to believe Justin Fields can succeed as an NFL quarterback, but he’ll need to be paid a hefty contract soon and the Bears aren’t quite ready to contend for Super Bowls yet. So Poles opts to trade Fields, draft Williams and give the Bears more runway to win with a QB on a rookie deal.
God I hope not. This guy isnt any different than the USC guy we already see. His Bears Oline wont be any different than the one he had at USC. IMHO we have to find/develop something better than Williams. And build the trenches. Weed the manure out.
A bad O-line is not a good reason to pass on Williams. Bengals drafted Burrow and he got killed his first couple of years.
And the Bears O-line better not be the same as last year. Center will be upgraded and there better be a young LG to challenge the not very available Nate Davis.
Braxton Jones did not have a very good game against the Pack - neither did Jenkins. I'm still leaning towards a playmaker and a DE in R1, but a trade down would be excellent to help fill in more holes especially since the Bears don't have a pick in R2.
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It’s being reported Bears will hire Shane Waldron from the Seahawks as oc.
He has a similar west coast/Shanahan offense the Bears have been running.
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From what I've read he's a keeper, hope so.
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He’s been on the staff of Belechick, McVay and Carrol so he’s grown up around good coaches.
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Bears offense measured by both yards and points was almost the same as Seahawks rankings. The big difference is Bears were great running the ball, near the bottom passing. Seahawks were a decent passing offense but pretty bad running the ball.
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Braxton Jones did not have a very good game against the Pack - neither did Jenkins. I'm still leaning towards a playmaker and a DE in R1, but a trade down would be excellent to help fill in more holes especially since the Bears don't have a pick in R2.
That means the whole middle of the Oline could stand to be replaced. Get er done.
So you want to bring in Williams with a mess like that? UGH!!!! Lets hope the OC can exert some pressure for needed changes to the Oline
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Braxton Jones did not have a very good game against the Pack - neither did Jenkins. I'm still leaning towards a playmaker and a DE in R1, but a trade down would be excellent to help fill in more holes especially since the Bears don't have a pick in R2.
That means the whole middle of the Oline could stand to be replaced. Get er done.
So you want to bring in Williams with a mess like that? UGH!!!! Lets hope the OC can exert some pressure for needed changes to the Oline
I am not advocating bringing in Wiliams or keeping Fields. Bears can sign a quality FA center and get someone to compete with Davis and backup the oft injured Jenkins at RG. We are not talking using either first round picks for either of these spots. Most likely 2 or 3 guys in free agency and the draft since I would guess that Patrick will not be re-signed and Whitehair with his huge salary will be released.
Teams rarely get the opporunity to draft the #1 college player and I don't think you pass up that opportunity because your center sucks and your RG had an inconsistent year due to personal issues.
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If they keep Fields and move back even 1 spot they should pick up a high second.
I would like them to get the best center with that pick . Guards are easier but with so many teams needing OL free agency will be slim pickings.
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I've been casually looking at free agents that might be available to address holes at DE, DT, C, WR and free safety.
I looked at SPotrac and noticed that there are 4 or 5 teams over the cap. The Saints are WAY over the cap (82M). The Chargers, Bills and Dolphins are next around 43M over. The Broncos are 5th at 25M over.
I did a quick look and here's a list of the guys that I noticed:
- Rashid Shaheed WR Saints
- Lloyd Cushenberry C Broncos
- Christian Wilkins DT Dolphins
- Cedric Wilson WR Dolphins
- Connor Williams C Dolphins
- A.J. Epenesa DE Bills
You can probably forget about Carolina's Burns or Vikings Hunter - both teams have about $30M available cap. But you never know.
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It's interesting seeing both sides of the coin re: Waldron. Just heard the "Softy" Mahler on the Score. He said that Waldron was nothing but a bland unoriginal predictable playcaller and that Geno Smith's resurgence was more Pete Carroll and being able to execute a milktoast offense after sitting on the bench and observing for several years.
Much like Bears fans laughing at the possibilty of Getsy getting looks for OC at Vegas, Seattle fans are at a loss wondering what the hell the Bears were thinking. OTOH, guys like Breer, Spielberger, and others reported that he was in the mix for several jobs and in high demand. So how did they convince him to coordinate offense under a conservative boring ass shitty head coach? I guess the Bears offered full autonomy (that maybe Carroll refused to give), the opportunity to coach exciting QBs like Caleb or Justin, and mucho dinero. Would have prefered Kubiak, but I'll wait and see I guess...
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@MikeGarafolo
#Titans assistant head coach/defensive line coach Terrell Williams will interview with the #Bears for their defensive coordinator job, source says. Williams will be the head coach of the American team in the
@seniorbowl next week, so his work is getting noticed across the league.
4:24 PM · Jan 22, 2024
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https://allchgo.com/chgo-bears-podcast-inside-caleb-williams-background-what-makes-the-quarterback-tick/
This is an interesting interview with long time Chicago beat writer Teddy Greenstein who has written a book about the fathers if the top quarterback prospects this year.
Williams is certainly interesting. He's been dedicated to being the best and winning every game all his life. This season has certainly hurt his stock because the Trojans were so bad.
There's rumors he hasn't handle the losing well, throwing blame around all the pouting. Yet, after last season Rick Speilman said Williams is better than Peyton Manning and Joe Burrough.
If he's in their plan, I'm sure Poles will talk to all the USC coaches and staff and players he can.
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IMO having the Bears fly over to LA to interview Kingsbury wasn't a power play by him, but merely more investigative work on campus. And my guess is the Bears started plenty of research on CW not long after Poles was hired.
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The upcoming NFL Combine in Indy is on the way in February 29 (leap year) to March 3.
Uhh ...
Is that in 2024 or 2023 ?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39401245/source-bears-hire-eric-washington-defensive-coordinator
The Bears have hired Eric Washington as their defensive coordinator, the team announced Saturday.
Washington, 54, fills the vacancy that was created by Alan Williams' resignation ahead of Week 2 last season. Bears coach Matt Eberflus took over defensive playcalling duties and is expected to continue calling Chicago's defense in 2024.
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I'm liking that hire...
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At least its less likely he will be fired by HR for "reasons"....
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If this holds true Poles should be able to absolutely take Washington to the cleaners.
https://fanrecap.com/article-928473/?utm_source=chicago-bears&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nfl-mk&fbclid=IwAR3M_LKKEl-m5Z-6OxUDZcIjyTX8XRuuD_nTxZKBPIVz1JrbYM2kfJox784
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-raiders-working-on-deal-to-hire-luke-getsy-as-offensive-coordinator
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Mark me down as wanting the picks.
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It is looking like a deal is being worked with Washington. Might fall through but he would not have backed out of the Raider deal and be rumored to go to Washington if one wasn't in the works.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/initial-thoughts-on-kliff-kingsbury-bolting-from-raiders-job/ar-BB1hIQzL?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=fa384b598aa14d64b9859f721cfccbb0&ei=13
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Its the lying season. I won't believe anything until it actually happens....