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Title: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Dave23 on June 21, 2012, 11:55:25 am
Dedicated to the four personalities who make each and every MLB game about themselves, rather than the players...

Here's to your incompetence!
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on June 21, 2012, 12:01:15 pm
Let's see Davep and JR, but who are the other two?
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: FITS on June 21, 2012, 12:08:25 pm
The first two that posted in this thread?
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on June 21, 2012, 12:13:45 pm
I would like to dedicate this topic to the memory of none other than Eric Gregg.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on June 21, 2012, 01:24:14 pm
Thanks Dave!
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on June 21, 2012, 01:26:33 pm
Carlos Santana Was Out By Six Feet, Except That Umpire Jim Wolf Is Legally Blind

http://deadspin.com/5920117/carlos-santana-was-out-by-six-feet-except-that-umpire-jim-wolf-is-legally-blind

Tim Welke Blown Call: Rockies Get Break When Jerry Hairston Incorrectly Called Out

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/tim-welke-blown-call-rockies-jerry-hairston_n_1474487.html
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on June 21, 2012, 01:33:10 pm
If the Jim Wolf call was reviewed by replay, the results would have been inconclusive.  The ball definitely was bobbled.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on June 21, 2012, 01:41:29 pm
What I'd like to start capturing in this topic is stuff like this.

Infield hit for Victorino, tie game.  Garza just can't put anyone away...he keeps getting to 2 strikes, but can't put them away.

Although the umpire missed his second call of the night at first base.  And there was no doubt that this one was missed.  Just awful.

That was Gerry Davis at first that night.

It was Ted Lilly that was tossed for calling out the terrible umpire from the dugout.

Strike one 8 inches inside called on Soto.  That ball is impossible to hit well.  Just awful.

That was Tim Timmons.

Or if the umpire hadn't blown the call on DeJesus's double.  Some runs probably score, which changes the game.

Saw the replay of the DeJesus call at 2nd, and the ump was right there on top of the play. How could he blow that call? it wasn't even close. And, yeah, it could have made for a different outcome (also the awful strike 3 call on DeJesus later, when he actually drew a walk...Castro and LaHair each got hits that inning....)

And here we have some Angel Campos.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on June 21, 2012, 01:50:37 pm
There are plenty of questionable umpires out there besides Bucknor and Hernandez, and I'd like to try to start identifying some of them.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on June 21, 2012, 02:00:22 pm
 
There are plenty of questionable umpires out there besides Bucknor and Hernandez, and I'd like to try to start identifying some of them.
"Questionable" needs to be defined.  At a minimum, there are the ones who simply miss too many calls, the ones who think fans buy tickets to see them, and the ones with too quick of a trigger finger.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: DelMarFan on June 21, 2012, 02:08:07 pm
I think there must be something about their training.  "Be quick and decisive and never admit that you might have made a mistake.  Otherwise you will always be questioned."  Something like that.  The whole thing is broken and needs some fundamental change, but I don't see it ever happening, which is why I'd scrap most of it and let technology do the job.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on June 21, 2012, 02:08:31 pm
OTOH, I nominate Don Denkinger for the Umpire Hall of Fame!
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: StrikeZone on June 21, 2012, 02:33:14 pm
If the Jim Wolf call was reviewed by replay, the results would have been inconclusive.  The ball definitely was bobbled.

That's not even close to accurate.  The ball was in his glove the entire time and it hardly moved.  The shortstop's foot was on the bag and he had control of the ball before the runner reached the base.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Dave23 on June 21, 2012, 02:49:58 pm
I never saw a bobble either. That was as clean as it gets.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: mO on June 21, 2012, 02:56:45 pm
He kind of did a scoop move with his glove at the end of the play.  Probably to allow the ball to drop from the webbing down into the heel.  The umpire may have seen the ball move and interpreted that as a bobble.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on June 21, 2012, 03:02:34 pm
The SS made two extra moves with his glove, not one.   The only time you see that is when the ball is not securely in the glove.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: StrikeZone on June 21, 2012, 03:04:59 pm
You must be watching a different video.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on June 21, 2012, 03:38:05 pm
My video doesn't stay on the ball snag.  It breaks up just a little.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: brjones on June 21, 2012, 03:55:56 pm
Even with the glove shift (which I agree with SZ was not a real bobble), it looked to me that he stopped moving before the runner was on the base.

I think it's overturned easily with replay.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: ticohans on June 21, 2012, 04:56:00 pm
All he did was move the ball down lower in his glove. He has enough control (i.e. NO bobble) to play around with it. Clean and clear, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: brjones on June 26, 2012, 08:30:20 am
Bob Davidson lets Ozzie Guillen be the umpire and interpret Mike Matheny's double switch (in other words, Bob Davidson is awful at his job):

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/26/bob-davidson-screws-up-a-double-switch-costs-the-cardinals-a-hitter/
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: brjones on June 27, 2012, 09:38:22 pm
Unbelievable...Mike DiMuro doesn't even ask to see the ball after Dewayne Wise dives into the crowd and doesn't come all that close to making a catch.


http://deadspin.com/5921597/the-greatest-trick-dewayne-wise-ever-pulled-was-convincing-the-world-he-caught-this-ball (http://deadspin.com/5921597/the-greatest-trick-dewayne-wise-ever-pulled-was-convincing-the-world-he-caught-this-ball)
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: StrikeZone on June 27, 2012, 10:08:43 pm
HAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on July 07, 2012, 08:40:23 pm
Perhaps not a bad call, but another umpire making himself the center of attention:

http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/msn/zack_greinke_ejected_after_spiking_baseball_in_first_inning_video/11173997
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 25, 2013, 12:17:31 am

Angel Hernandez call Alex Rios out on this play that would have ended the game in the 10th.

Luckily for Angel the White Sox won the game in the next inning.


(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/otherstuff/AHernandexBlownCall_zps9d9f8e89.jpg)

Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: shasson on May 25, 2013, 07:51:31 pm
Jeff Nelson with a call so awful, it's hard to even get upset. They really need replay. This is just embarrassing for everyone:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/jeff-nelson-blows-call-double-play-mariners-rangers_n_3336389.html
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on May 25, 2013, 08:18:15 pm
At least that one's understandable.  The ump is usually watching the bag and feet and they hear the ball impact the glove.  He can be "forgiven" for not realizing it was the wrong glove.  Maybe.  If you're kind.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: shasson on May 25, 2013, 10:33:52 pm
2nd base or home ump had to have seen what happened. Silliness to get that wrong.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 25, 2013, 10:44:23 pm
At least that one's understandable.  The ump is usually watching the bag and feet and they hear the ball impact the glove.  He can be "forgiven" for not realizing it was the wrong glove.  Maybe.  If you're kind.

You're being way too generous.  There was no need to make an immediate call on the play.  I've seen many times, and I'm sure you have too, where the umpire tells the fielder "show me the ball" before he makes the call of an out.  Granted, that usually happens at a bang-bang play at the plate or a fielder going into the stands but there's no reason not to do it at 1st too when there are two fielders that close together.

Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on May 26, 2013, 07:07:12 am
Nelson at least admitted when shown the replay that he had blown it and said what I said, he was focused on the feet.  What's sad, Andy, is there probably were umps who saw what happened and said nothing.  They have it drilled into them not to correct a peer.  That's nuts.  OTOH, it probably would be chaos to have Angel Hernandez running across the diamond changing calls because he saw something else.

Sorry, it was a blown call, but at least he isn't an Angel Hernandez about it.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on May 26, 2013, 08:08:03 am
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 Everyone felt that Josh Willingham slid close enough to the bag to not be called for interference in the third inning on Saturday. Willingham was close enough to reach down and touch the bag if he thought it was necessary. But umpire Joe West called Willingham for interference and made Joe Mauer, who was on third, return to second. ``I've never had the rule explained to me like that before,'' Hammer said. ``He said I didn't make an attempt to touch the bag, but the bag was right there. Twins manager Ron Gardenhire came out to argue and eventually was tossed for the second time this season and 64th in his career. Gardenhire tried to get West to look at where Willngham slid, which was near the bag. ``He said, `don't point at my dirt,' '' Gardenhire said, ``and I pointed at his dirt.''
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Eastcoastfan on May 26, 2013, 08:57:32 am
Lol!
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on May 26, 2013, 10:02:59 am
The Joe West call at second may have been correct.  Josh Willingham had his back to the base and could not have reached it.  Unfortunately, we don't get to see Ron Gardenhire pointing at Joe West's dirt.

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27426851&topic_id=8878976&c_id=min (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27426851&topic_id=8878976&c_id=min)
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on June 07, 2013, 01:22:16 pm
Umpires blow two calls on the same play Thursday night in Colorado

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/oy-vey-umpires-blow-two-calls-same-play-084930758.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/oy-vey-umpires-blow-two-calls-same-play-084930758.html)
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: brjones on June 08, 2013, 03:24:20 pm
Currently on CB Bucknor's Wikipedia page:

Quote
C. B. Bucknor (born August 23, 1962) is a Jamaican umpire in Major League Baseball who has worked in the National League from 1996 to 1999 and throughout both major leagues since 2000. He is also the first blind person to ever be an umpire in the MLB.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: ticohans on June 08, 2013, 03:54:38 pm
Awesome
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: CurtOne on June 08, 2013, 06:03:33 pm
That's hilarious.

Somebody put "First certifiably insane umpire" on Angel's page.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Cactus on June 24, 2013, 08:45:44 am
Is this the solution to bad umpiring?

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/7b/67bc4268-9647-556b-b680-774b7e3bd351/51c7c8b48cad5.preview-620.jpg)

Actually, it was Star Wars Day at Chase Field.  The umpires were Kerwin Danley, Bob Davidson, Jim Reynolds, and Paul Schrieber.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: FITS on July 15, 2013, 05:33:26 am
Somebody delete and ban the spammer please.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Jes Beard on July 15, 2013, 05:45:28 am
Only four posts from the guy, and all four are spam.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 22, 2013, 01:51:26 pm

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/2013WSx400_zpsad825931.png)


John Hirschbeck is crew chief for World Series


2 hours ago AP - Sports

BOSTON (AP) -- John Hirschbeck will umpire his fourth World Series and will be crew chief for the matchup between the Boston Red Sox and the St. Louis Cardinals.

Hirschbeck will be behind the plate for Wednesday night's opener at Fenway Park, with Mark Wegner at first, Dana DeMuth at second, Paul Emmel at third, Bill Miller in left and Jim Joyce in right. Hirschbeck also worked the Series in 1995 and 2006 and was crew chief in 2010.

DeMuth will be working his fourth Series and Joyce his third but first since 2001. This will be the second Series for Miller and the first for Emmel and Wegner.

Umpires will continue to wear ''WB'' patches honoring umpire Wally Bell, who died Oct. 14. Bell umped the 2006 World Series and this year's All-Star game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/john-hirschbeck-crew-chief-world-164647947--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/john-hirschbeck-crew-chief-world-164647947--mlb.html)


Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Dave23 on April 23, 2014, 08:21:13 am
Even with replay, the umpires got the count wrong in the Rays-Twins game, turning what should have been a walk into an eventual strikeout.

I'm not sure how that can happen with replay.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: brjones on April 23, 2014, 10:58:53 am
There was one non-replay in the Braves-Mets game the other night that I never posted about, but it was confusing to me.  Maybe someone here can explain. 

Freddie Freeman was up.  He hit a ball that pretty clearly hit off his foot and then deflected to the middle of the infield.  Freeman took off running and made it to first base.  On replay, it was obviously a foul ball off Freeman's foot--you could even see him grimace/limp as he took his first step, so it wasn't just some weird spin on the ball that caused it to take a strange bounce. 

The Mets wanted to review the play, but the umpires wouldn't allow it.  The announcers acted like it was a ball-strike call, so it couldn't be reviewed...but wasn't it a foul-fair call?  And aren't those reviewable? 
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: StrikeZone on April 23, 2014, 11:29:04 am
Nope, fair/foul calls in the infield aren't reviewable as far as I can tell.  I was watching some game the other night (I don't even remember what one it was) and there was a similar play to what you're talking about, and the manager wanted a review but they told him there wasn't anything he could do about it, even though the replay clearly showed the call was wrong.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Playtwo on April 23, 2014, 01:06:51 pm
The play br mentions ought to be reviewable.  If the ball had mistakenly been called foul, it might not be appropriate for that to be reviewable since there's no way to rectify the situation after the fact (although you could call it "no pitch").
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: StrikeZone on April 23, 2014, 01:26:00 pm
Nope.  In the replay rules, only fair/foul calls that are made past umpires are reviewable.  That's how it was explained on the game I was watching.  So, they called that ball fair, thus it's not reviewable.

That's how I understand it, anyway.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Playtwo on April 23, 2014, 01:31:17 pm
I'm sure you are correct, it's just that I don't see the rationale.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: StrikeZone on April 23, 2014, 01:33:40 pm
I'm sure you are correct, it's just that I don't see the rationale.

Preaching to the choir.  It's dumb but I guess that's the rule.  Just another one of the quirks of the replay system that needs overhauled.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Jes Beard on April 23, 2014, 05:27:28 pm
Do the umpires have the authority to call for a review of the play themselves?

Does one umpire have the authority to call for a review of his own decision?  Of a fellow umps decision?

Can any of them simply admit that they did not really see the play and ask to see the replay?
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: jacey1 on April 24, 2014, 01:14:02 pm
they way it is now, I do not like this replay system at all!! they need to use it only on a limited basis. every other close play makes it difficult to enjoy the game
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on May 06, 2014, 10:13:26 pm
I've always thought Laz Diaz was someone who deserves a spot in the CB Bucknor, Joe West, Angel Hernandez, Bob Davidson umpiring Hall of Shame.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/46932/umpire-laz-diaz-deserves-short-suspension
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on May 07, 2014, 08:50:42 pm
Well one thing I wanted to do is compile an umpiring Hall of Shame here, and I think Tom Woodring is earning his spot so far this season.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: DelMarFan on May 07, 2014, 11:03:30 pm
Seconded.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on April 17, 2015, 06:02:21 pm
I think we can officially add Sam Holbrook to the BBBFL Umpiring Hall of Shame.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: brjones on April 18, 2015, 09:14:54 pm
Bob Davidson likes calling balks so much that he just called one in a 9-0 game, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs.  Guess he couldn't let a game go by without a cry for attention at least once.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on May 06, 2015, 11:27:47 pm
For future reference . . .

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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs

Maddon on balls and strikes tonight by D.J. Reyburn: "It was egergiously bad." 17m
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: shasson on May 06, 2015, 11:35:07 pm
lip readers on twitter had Maddon saying this to the ump in the argument: " "I'll tell you what.  You've been Fu%@ing my young guys all night long!"

Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: BearHit on May 07, 2015, 10:22:33 am
MLB has got to do the right thing eventually...

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25177275/mlb-reviewing-cubs-manager-joe-maddons-comments-about-umpire

Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Playtwo on May 07, 2015, 01:24:30 pm
MLB ought be reviewing the awful performance of the home plate ump more so than Maddon's response to it.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on June 26, 2015, 09:43:00 am
Surprised this didn't get mentioned yesterday.  Andy Fletcher definitely has to be one of the least professional umpires in baseball.

http://deadspin.com/angry-umpire-demands-that-jon-lester-fight-him-1714125640
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: ticohans on June 26, 2015, 05:10:01 pm
That's absurd. Ump should be disciplined.
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: Jes Beard on June 27, 2015, 10:36:53 am
That's absurd. Ump should be disciplined.

True enough.  After watching the video, I have to agree, but I also have to wonder where the person who wrote the headline for the article at that link got the idea that the ump "demands that Jon Lester fight him."
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: JR on July 07, 2015, 12:42:45 am
Some of Emmel's "best" work tonight:


Called a strike against Baxter:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIOlSO4WEAAGxSC.png)

Here's some more quality work from Paul Emmel.

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/blind-umpire-calls-obvious-swinging-strike-a-foul-tip-1716158675 (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/blind-umpire-calls-obvious-swinging-strike-a-foul-tip-1716158675)
Title: Re: Four Blind Mice
Post by: BearHit on August 06, 2015, 09:21:50 pm
How about a visit to the plate... for a home plate umpire substitution?