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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #945 on: August 14, 2011, 08:18:19 pm »
I was just looking back at the 2000 Cub team.  On that team there were only two position players the entire season who had been drafted by the Cubs -- Corey Patterson and Chad Myers.

Ugh.

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« Reply #946 on: August 14, 2011, 08:18:25 pm »
In terms of career value to the Cubs, maybe the Grace draft (85).

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« Reply #947 on: August 14, 2011, 08:20:18 pm »
I take that back, Jason Smith got one AB that 2001 season.

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« Reply #948 on: August 14, 2011, 08:24:12 pm »
Maddux and Moyer were BOTH in the 1984 draft.  Between the two of them they had a WAR of 144.

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« Reply #949 on: August 14, 2011, 08:25:49 pm »
1985 was also not bad with Grace, Palmeiro and Tapani, for a total WAR of 140.

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« Reply #950 on: August 14, 2011, 08:28:51 pm »
Tapani?

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« Reply #951 on: August 14, 2011, 08:34:06 pm »
It doesn't count in your favor when you draft a player but don't sign him.

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« Reply #952 on: August 14, 2011, 08:38:50 pm »
1988 was particularly bad.  Only two guys tasted the majors, and both had a nagative WAR -- Kevin Roberson and Jessie Hollins.

The highlight of the 1989 draft was Gary Scott.

The highlights of 1990 were Pedro Valdex and Lance Dickson.

The best of 1991 were Steve Trachsel, Doug Glanville and Jon Leiber (who I was not aware was originally a Cub draft pick).

1992 -- Brant Brown.

1993 -- Kevin Orie and Jose Molina.

1994 -- Farnsworth.

1995 -- Wood, Adam Everett and Justin Speier.

That listed everyone who had a WAR of more than 1.

Those are some pretty fugly drafts.



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« Reply #953 on: August 14, 2011, 08:46:31 pm »
Time will tell how it works out. But I assume that Baez+Zych will sign. 

And I'm assuming that they're going to do what it takes to get both Maples and Dunston. 

I think this will be beyond question the most aggressive draft ever, hands down, no question, not even close. 

I use the word "aggressive" intentionally.  There's never been a draft anything like this by the cubs. 

I think drafts can be judged at several levels.  How exciting it seemed at the time.  And how well it turned out.  This has to be exceptional in terms of how exciting it seems at the time.  It will take years to find out whether it works out. 

There are three other drafts I thought were super exciting at the time.
1.  Corey-Kelton-Goldbach.  That was really exciting at the time, and remained super exciting-looking during the ensuing year.   Choi besides made it seem even more exciting. 
2.  Prior-Sisco.  That was basically it, with Theriot coming in round 3.  But obviously Prior was unmatched, and then to spend on Sisco who seemed unlimited in potential as well, and expensive, that was exciting.  Ryu besides made it more exciting yet. 
3.  Brownlie-Hagerty-Blasco-Clanton-Dopirak-Jones-Petrick-Hill-Craig.  At the time that seemed incredibly exciting, and the early returns on so many of them were so encouraging.  Each one started really good except Clanton and Hill, who had his day later.  Spending on Brownlie on top of the rest, it wasn't super super-slot like this year, but with so many high picks, who needed to overslot?  And Brownlie and Blasco were both overslot, significantly for Brownlie. 

Obviously those exciting-at-time drafts all flubbed.  And obviously it's easier to look "aggressive" by superslotting then just spending a bundle when you've got a Prior or when you've got 5 compensation picks. 

But I think this is really exciting, and I'm looking forward to who they all end up bringing in.  It's got a chance to be a great class, and to change everything. 

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« Reply #954 on: August 14, 2011, 08:57:41 pm »
I had such high hopes for #3 (the Brownlie draft)...what are the odds that NONE of them would pan out?

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« Reply #955 on: August 14, 2011, 10:09:45 pm »
jacquez_ricky @_GregBird dont know yet but im leaning leaning towards Texas.
about 1 hour ago in reply to _GregBird

I get a kick out of how 18 year olds leave college football fans on pins and needles waiting on their decision on where to go to college.  I guess 18 year old baseball players are getting in on the act too.

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« Reply #956 on: August 14, 2011, 10:26:35 pm »
I get a kick out of how 18 year olds leave college football fans on pins and needles waiting on their decision on where to go to college.  I guess 18 year old baseball players are getting in on the act too.

Well, ESPN isn't going to show anyone choosing a college cap or a professional cap on SportsCenter anytime soon, so these kids will have to use Twitter and Facebook to get the attention they crave.

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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #957 on: August 15, 2011, 01:57:50 am »
Callis responding to a question:

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@bkelz417: will #Cubs sign Tony Zych??? Haven't heard anything? Plus any updates on Baez and Vogel"bomb" ?


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Yes on all three.

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« Reply #958 on: August 15, 2011, 09:20:23 am »
That could make for a very nice draft.  Vogel in particular interests me.  When his signing is announced it would be nice to see some word on his weight to see if he has made any further progress with his conditioning.  If the Cubs were wise (which would be new), they would have had an agreement with him to raise the signing bonus if he made certain measurable progress on his conditioning by the date of Selig approval and signing, and to also include similar provisions to for the first year or two afterward.

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« Reply #959 on: August 15, 2011, 09:26:23 am »
Not sure about sources and all that.  But a 2nd/3rd-hand report during July did claim that Vogelbach had lost an additional 10-15 pounds since the draft.