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yapper

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2011, 09:35:28 am »
Scouting report on Watkins...  FWIW this particular site has him going just ahead of us at #28, to the Patriots.

6'4, 310 - A 26-year-old Canadian who has a background playing hockey and is a former firefighter. Made the move to football only three years ago and has drastically improved his game during that time period. Has started two years in a row on the blindside at Baylor and has matured into one of the most impressive offensive linemen in the country in a very short amount of time. Possesses a compact build and seems to lack ideal length. However, exhibits good body control and a strong lower half when asked to get his feet around the target and anchor defensive ends away from the inside run. Plays with natural leverage in the run game, has the ability to sink his hips, maintain balance and create a bit of a jolt on contact. Gets his hands a bit too low at times, but works his feet hard, sticks to blocks and can win at the point of attack as an in-line guy or when asked to reach block. And although he isn't real long armed, exhibits a quick punch, allowing him to control blocks initially on contact in the run game.

Has really improved his pad level as well in the pass game, consistently is able to sit into his base on his kick slide, takes compact, balanced steps off the edge and possesses good range vs. speed off the edge. Exhibits good change-of-direction skills to quickly redirect and mirror in tighter quarters. At times will get a bit overextended, but has the fluidity and body control to quickly catch himself, make up for a false step and mirror in space. Doesn't ever really give up much penetration in the pass game and has the balance, body control, range and flexibility to consistently mirror and hold his own in space. Was one of the best offensive tackles I saw in college football all season.

Impression: If he were two inches taller and three years younger the guy is a first-round pick. However, I worry about his length as a left tackle and there is a concern about his age. However, he is a mature kid whose best football is still ahead of him and I think he's a guy who can come in and start from day one as a guard in the NFL and will give a team four-to-six very good years as a starting NFL guard.


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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2011, 10:04:27 am »
The Pats with their multiple extra picks are in a position to reach on somebody like that ...we are not.

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2011, 11:08:03 am »
With 6 picks in the first 3 rounds they scare the heck out of me.  Their roster already has a lot of good, young players.

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2011, 11:09:26 am »
Would you want this QB this season?

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/cam-asked-whats-an-auburn-play-sound-like-29635

Chuckie was at it, again.

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2011, 02:15:11 pm »
Angelo and the Bears have just got to break the pattern of not getting a starting-caliber player out of the 1st round and not getting first-year production by guys drafted in the 2-3-4 positions.  Inconsistency and year-after-year of projects, redshirts and non-productive 1st-rounders has been the M.O. of this crew for quite a few years. 

yapper

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2011, 02:33:36 pm »
BearFan, well said.

For as many years as Angelo has had his job with the Bears and the draft positions we've had during that time, the current roster should be in MUCH MUCH better shape than it currently is.

The three consecutive utter busts at DT from the 3rd round in consecutive years (Dvoracek, Harrison and Gilbert) come to mind immediately but he is also directly responsible for the terrible state of our OL through underdrafting in terms of pics overall and picking bad players with the picks he has used (Colombo, Chris Williams, Metcalf, Beekman).

Angelo gets the lions share of the blame but our scouts haven't earned their pay either.

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2011, 02:35:45 pm »
I'll give him a pass on Dvoracek and Columbo because injuries can't be foreseen but the rest.....yikes

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2011, 02:37:34 pm »
I just pray that there is no youtube video of anyone jumping out of a pool or other such nonsense that he won't be able to resist.

yapper

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2011, 03:02:54 pm »
My current odds-on pick for the Angelo WTF pick of this draft:  Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado, in the 1st.

yapper

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2011, 03:40:22 pm »
If anyone's curious, that 4th overall pick we traded to the Jets in 2003 became Dewayne Robertson, a highly touted DT prospect who turned out to be a very average NFL player and probably would be considered a bust by most.

The 2003 draft didn't turn out to be exceptionally strong overall but had we kept the 4th pick overall, some players that would have been available to us included OT Jordan Gross, S Troy Polamalu and CB Ndamidi Asomugha.

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2011, 04:57:06 pm »
Wow, hindsight is 20/20. 

yapper

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2011, 05:00:44 pm »
Bleacher Report has us taking Liuget in the 1st (passing on Danny Watkins who goes to the Steelers), and the C from TCU (Kirkpatrick) in the 2nd.  This is with all the top-rated O-Linemen except Watkins off the board by 29.

Not sure how I'd feel about that. Liuget might be OK as a first year contributor but considering that only a serious injury will get Kreutz out of the lineup this season we could well wind up having our 2nd round pick not playing a down this year. Which really isn't acceptable. BTW Kirkpatrick is only the 9th best C in this class based on the site I checked.

If we're gonna go DT in the 1st then our 2nd rounder really has to be someone who can win one of the OG spots or the RT spot outright and thereby be a first year contributor.

That same Bleacher Report draft has the Colts taking Carimi in the 1st and the big Cannon kid from TCU in the 2nd...  which pretty much kicks our ass right across the room.

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2011, 06:50:43 pm »
Wright's mock draft 2.0

April, 17, 2011 Apr 1711:45AM CT
By Michael C. Wright

MICHAEL C. WRIGHT'S MOCK DRAFT 2.0
Team Player Pos. School Comment
1. Panthers Cam Newton QB Auburn Potential upside too much to pass on.
2. Broncos Marcell Dareus DT Alabama With Newton gone, Broncos take best available player.
3. Bills Von Miller OLB Texas A&M Time to admit Aaron Maybin was a mistake in 2009.
4. Bengals A.J. Green WR Georgia Bengals continue to rebuild the receiving corps.
5. Cardinals Patrick Peterson CB LSU Defensive need trumps reaching for a QB.
6. Browns Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson Knee concerns might just be a smokescreen.
7. 49ers Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 49ers add a Day 1 starter; will address QB depth later.
8. Titans Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Luck shines on Titans, who have been vocal about QB needs.
9. Cowboys Robert Quinn DE/OLB North Carolina With top DBs off board, Cowboys address rush.
10. Redskins Julio Jones WR Alabama An ideal fit for Shanahan's West Coast offense.
11. Texans J.J. Watt DE Wisconsin New DC Wade Phillips needs stability in front seven.
12. Vikings Nick Fairley DT Auburn The slide stops here. Vikings grab a steal here.
13. Lions Tyron Smith OT USC Smith visited Lions earlier this week, and says he fits system well.
14. Rams Corey Liuget DT Illinois Rams wanted a WR here, but the top two are gone.
15. Dolphins Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas Team doesn't have a second-round pick, so grab QB now.
16. Jaguars Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue Conservative GM Gene Smith goes for production over upside.
17. Patriots Cameron Jordan DE California Can come in and play the five-technique.
18. Chargers Aldon Smith DE/OLB Missouri Raw but talented enough to transition to 3-4.
19. Giants Mike Pouncey C/G Florida Probably too high here, but age and injuries a concern on Giants OL.
20. Bucs Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa After just 26 sacks last year, Bucs would be thrilled with Clayborn here.
21. Chiefs Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College Chiefs need WR, but Costanzo is great value at another need.
22. Colts Nate Solder OT Colorado Still learning the position, needs to get stronger, too.
23. Eagles Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin Eagles consider CB Jimmy Smith here, but go the safe route.
24. Saints Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple Former team captain and Temple defensive MVP.
25. Seahawks Jimmy Smith QB Colorado Seahawks roll the dice on a top-10 talent.
26. Ravens Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State Addition could push Michael Oher back to right side.
27. Falcons Brandon Harris CB Miami Instead of reaching at DE, Falcons add potential contributor.
28. Patriots Mark Ingram RB Alabama Danny Watkins make sense here, but Ingram too talented to pass on.
29. Bears Marvin Austin DT North Carolina Major bust potential with this pick, but the top OTs are gone.
30. Jets Justin Houston OLB Georgia Explosiveness will make Rex Ryan forget about character concerns.
31. Steelers Danny Watkins G Baylor Possesses enough versatility to play every position on the OL.
32. Packers Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA Considered overhyped, but upside opposite Clay Matthews is intriguing.


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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2011, 06:55:44 pm »
Dickerson's mock draft 2.0

April, 15, 2011 Apr 1511:07PM CT

By Jeff Dickerson
JEFF DICKERSON'S MOCK DRAFT 2.0

Team Player Pos. School Comment
1. Panthers Cam Newton QB Auburn Ron Rivera sounds convinced Cam is the guy.
2. Broncos Marcell Dareus DT Alabama No chance Dareus makes it past Denver.
3. Bills Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Buffalo in desperate need of QB.
4. Bengals A.J. Green WR Georgia Green will be key in Bengals offensive makeover.
5. Cardinals Von Miller DE/OLB Texas A&M Miller wowed scouts at Senior Bowl and Combine.
6. Browns Robert Quinn DE North Carolina Too much talent to pass up despite missing 2010.
7. 49ers Patrick Peterson CB LSU Maybe best overall talent in entire draft.
8. Titans Nick Fairley DT Auburn Worth risk because of dominant final year at Auburn.
9. Cowboys Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska Jerry Jones must address awful Dallas secondary.
10. Redskins Julio Jones WR Alabama Goes for established playmaker instead of reaching at QB.
11. Texans Cameron Jordan DE California Houston looking to beef up pass rush. 
12. Vikings Tyron Smith OT USC Would allow Minnesota to move Bryant McKinnie to RT.
13. Lions Mike Pouncey G/C Florida Suprise. Pouncey does end up in NFC North, just not with Bears.
14. Rams Corey Liuget DT Illinois Perfect fit for defensive-minded coach Steve Spagnuolo.
15. Dolphins Mark Ingram RB Alabama Best running back in the draft class.
16. Jaguars Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue Jags need insurance for Aaron Kampman.
17. Patriots J.J. Watt DE Wisconsin Can't pass up a lineman tailor made for a 3-4 scheme.
18. Chargers Muhammad Wilkerson DE/DT Temple Good interior defensive linemen are hard to find.
19. Giants Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College New York's left tackle of the future.
20. Bucs Aldon Smith DE Missouri Smith should be able to contribute right away.
21. Chiefs Phil Taylor DT Baylor Every great 3-4 defense needs that big nose tackle.
22. Colts Nate Solder OT Colorado Indianapolis fills a huge need at tackle.
23. Eagles Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin Even with mobile Vick, Eagles surrendered ton of sacks. 
24. Saints Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson Still not sure about his health, but Saints will take chance. 
25. Seahawks Jake Locker QB Washington Locker stays put in Pacific Northwest.
26. Ravens Jimmy Smith CB Colorado Veteran roster equipped to deal with Smith's baggage.
27. Falcons Adrian Clayborn DE/DT Iowa Character concerns drop Clayborn to a late first-rounder.
28. Patriots Danny Watkins OG Baylor Pats opt for OL, but still leave Bears with a tackle. 
29. Bears Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi St. Jerry Angelo happy a quality tackle still left on the board.
30. Jets Akeem Ayers OLB USC Versatile player could contribute for Rex Ryan.
31. Steelers Aaron Williams CB Texas Can play corner and free safety.
32. Packers Marvin Austin DT North Carolina Green Bay expects some turnover on defensive line.

Jackiejokeman

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Re: 2011 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2011, 10:22:43 pm »

 How to get a quality OT in the first? There aint that many and they are going to go fast.

 If youre Tice and Martz you gotta be in angelos ear...

 which has never happened before under the angelo reign.

 They just might get thru to his gourd to keep him from punching the ticket on a DT.

 Which is where you KNOW he wants to go.