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Dave23

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 12:24:39 pm »
Nothing yet...kid had a bright future...

JR

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2012, 10:17:57 am »
BA has updated the draft list for the first three rounds of the 2012 draft, and also includes bonus pools for each team in 2012.  (By the way, would anyone know if these bonus pools are strictly for the draft, or do they include international players as well?)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-basics/2012/2613180.html

The Cubs are drafting 6th overall and also have first round supplemental picks at #43 for Aramis Ramirez and #56 for Carlos Pena.  We also have a $7,933,900 bonus pool.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2012, 01:24:33 pm »
JR, there's a separate bonus limit for international signings. I think it's around $2.8 million for each team for 2012.

The Cubs' $7.9 million pool is for rounds 1-10 of the Rule 4 draft only (12 picks), but decreases if there are any unsigned picks. For the later rounds, any bonus over $50,000 counts against the pool. They can also exceed their pool number by 5% before the penalties kick in.

If they sign all of their Rule 4 picks and use all of their international bonus pool, the Cubs could spend around $11 million without incurring any penalties.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2012, 07:50:18 am »
FYI here is Keith Laws top 10.


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1
Byron Buxton
CF
6-1
175
H.S.

Analysis: There's a broad consensus around Buxton as the best player in this draft and a legitimate No. 1 overall pick, as he earns comparisons to a number of other players drafted in that top spot. He has all tools, an 80 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale with an 80 arm (reportedly 95-98 mph off the mound last week) and big future power. But he's playing against poor high school competition in rural Georgia and has yet to homer this spring, so he's not without his risks.

2
Mike Zunino
C
6-2
215

Analysis: A true catcher who has an unorthodox style at the plate but hits, uses the whole field and has power is a pretty valuable commodity, and he carries less risk than the three high-upside pitchers ranked right behind him. Most scouts seem to think he doesn't get past Seattle at No. 3.

3
Mark Appel
RHP
6-5
215

Analysis: The stuff is there, and the results are better, but the lack of deception in his delivery combined with a habit of leaving pitches (especially his changeup) up in the zone make him more hittable than a guy with this stuff should be.

4
Kyle Zimmer
RHP
6-4
220

Analysis: Zimmer has less of a track record than Appel but as much velocity with a better present breaking ball. He's a former position player who fields his position well but isn't as advanced a pitcher as Appel is. His velocity was down in his last start, sitting 91 mph and topping out at 93, which bears watching this upcoming weekend.

5
Carlos Correa
SS
6-4
190

Analysis: On track to be the highest-drafted Puerto Rican player in history as an athletic 17-year-old who projects to hit and hit for power but probably ends up at third base in pro ball. For comparison, he has more offensive upside than Francisco Lindor, who was drafted with the eighth pick last year in a stronger crop. Correa's also a dark horse to go No. 1 overall.

6
Kevin Gausman
RHP
6-4
185
LSU

Analysis: He's up to 99 mph on a pretty regular basis with an above-average changeup, but he's showing only a fringy curveball when he'd probably be better suited to throwing a slider.

7
Deven Marrero
SS
6-1
194
Zunino

Analysis: He's really struggling at the plate this year, not just in terms of results but he is showing a lack of effort that has the area scouts confused since Marrero's makeup was always one of his strengths. I still see a plus defender at short who'll hit for average and has a high probability of being a decent big leaguer. I've heard Pittsburgh at No. 8 might be his floor.

8
Albert Almora
OF
6-2
170
Harvard-Westlake

Analysis: One of the best defensive center fielders to come out of the high school ranks, Almora has great feel for hitting and a simple swing with the potential to hit for power in the future.

9
Max Fried
LHP
6-3
170

Analysis: Owner of perhaps the best left-handed curveball in the draft with a very competitive nature and good feel for pitching that helps him pitch above his grade-55 fastball.

10
Matt Smoral
LHP
6-8
225

Analysis: The Solon, Ohio, product is out for the spring after suffering a stress fracture in his foot while pitching on a makeshift mound on a football field a few weeks ago, but scouts have seen enough of his easy 60 fastball/60 slider combo that I think he'll go in the top-20 picks even without giving scouts more looks before June.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2012, 07:52:56 am »
But he's playing against poor high school competition in rural Georgia and has yet to homer this spring, so he's not without his risks.

If you're the potential #1 overall pick from high school and you're playing mediocre rural high school competition, how have you not hit one home run yet?

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2012, 08:27:14 am »
Is Gausman a reliever? Cubs need top of the rotation pitching prospects, but no one on this list is overly exciting.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2012, 10:11:13 am »
But he's playing against poor high school competition in rural Georgia and has yet to homer this spring, so he's not without his risks.

If you're the potential #1 overall pick from high school and you're playing mediocre rural high school competition, how have you not hit one home run yet?

Maybe he's Simpson's cousin once removed?

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2012, 10:17:17 am »
But he's playing against poor high school competition in rural Georgia and has yet to homer this spring, so he's not without his risks.

If you're the potential #1 overall pick from high school and you're playing mediocre rural high school competition, how have you not hit one home run yet?

Maybe the Braves have told him not to hit homers, so they can sneak in and take him.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2012, 10:22:35 am »
Stop at third!  Stop at third!

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2012, 09:42:52 am »
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2011/2612639.html

The top 200 prospects will be subject to a predraft drug test and will participate in a predraft medical program as well.

And if one, or many, of the prospects tells MLB to get bent, they are not going to submit to a drug screen or medical exam, then what?

I can see an individual team requiring it, or even having MLB request it, with teams then given the option of passing on any prospect who refused to take part, but does this mean that prospects who refuse to take part would be ineligible?  Or could a team and a prospect have their own testing and medical exam done without the knowledge of MLB so the prospect might be safely drafted by an individual team but passed on by the rest of MLB?

International signings will have a similar pool, with similar penalties. Going over by 0-5 percent kicks in the 75 percent tax; 5-10 percent includes the same tax and a loss of the right to sign more than one player for a bonus of more than $500,000. Go over by 10-15 percent and a team incurs the 100 percent tax and can't sign any player for more than $500,000.

The limit on signing players for more than $500K in such situations, does anyone know whether this is a limit on signing international prospects, or is it all prospects or is it in fact "players," and is it just for the following year, or for that year, or for ever?  Would seem it would just be limited to international prospects who have not previously signed deals with MLB, and that it would only apply to the following year.

The entire approach would seem to encourage teams who are going to exceed the caps to go hog wild in exceeding them when they do.

A couple of other notable draft changes:

The draft will continue to be conducted in June, but the signing deadline will be moved to a date between July 12-18, depending on the date of the All-Star Game. Since 2007, the deadline has been in mid-August.

"I think that's a win-win for everyone," Savage said. "The guys that want to go out will go out. They'll be able to get out in their short seasons and play right away. I think Major League Baseball will like that."


Yea, that screwy idea I had about it being important to have prospects sign early to get them into the team's program and under its supervision and in competition with other prospects was obviously nuts.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2012, 08:28:15 am »
John Sickels 2012 mock draft

First round

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/4/24/2971860/2012-baseball-mock-draft-april-edition

6) Chicago Cubs (Matt): The Cubs have a new regime but I don't think the draft philosophy this season will be substantially different than last year taking high upside toolsy players, while mixing in solid college players later. Courtney Hawkins, Dave Dahl, Max Fried and Carlos Correa all fit in that mold. I see the Cubs picking another Puerto Rican middle infielder with their top pick this June: Carlos Correa, SS, Florida HS. (previous: Fried)

More


http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/5/9/3008127/2012-baseball-mock-draft-supplemental-first-round-john-sickels-matt-garrioch

43) Chicago Cubs (John): One of the most interesting players available this year is a relative unknown from Alaska, right-hander Dylan Baker, who is having a breakthrough season for Western Nevada College. Baker throws very hard, has made huge progress with his command, and is the best junior college player available this year. It is hard to see him falling much further than this, and the Cubs need live arms. Dylan Baker, RHP, Western Nevada.


56) Chicago Cubs (Matt):
The Cubs have Carlos Correa and Dylan Baker in this mock so far. With the new regime in charge, I'm not sure what their plan of attack will be. One thing I know is that in the past, polished college bats have been a target as well as high upside prep products. Travis Jankowski and Joey Gallo represent those two categories. I think
Travis Jankowski, OF, Stony Brook
is the better choice here.


 

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2012, 08:46:23 am »
Do we know if it's going to be McLeod or Wilken making draft picks for us?

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2012, 09:00:23 am »
I think earlier job descriptions made it sound like McLeod would have the final word.  They may choose to compromise on candidates a lot.  Hope not.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2012, 12:06:45 pm »
My understanding is that there will be a group (Hoyer, McLeod and  Wilkin in the draft room, as well as some others.  Presumably, if there is not an agreement, Hoyer will have the last word, unless Epstein is in the room and chooses to pull rank.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2012, 12:17:44 pm »
Actually I don't think Theo would do that.  One of the things Theo mentioned was when McLeod drafted Clay Buchholz, Theo was vehemently opposed to it and angrily told McLeod to draft someone else. 

Sounds at least like if Theo has veto power, he never uses it.