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Jackiejokeman

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2012, 10:13:39 pm »
No.

First of all no way Miami trades their best offensive weapon for a second.  As someone (Yapper I believe) said the Bears have tons of money under the cap.

Get the true #1 WR in free agency and stock up on young players.  If the Bears do not make the play offs next year they will fire Lovie and will have to rebuild.  Even if they make the play offs they have to start re-stocking the shelves with younger players. 



 I wouldnt predict that Lovie would be here beyond next month after what happened at Oakland.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2012, 10:23:46 pm »
The Raiders did not say Jackson was safe before they hired a GM.

The Bears did.

The Bears did the same thing with Jauron and he was safe.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2012, 06:51:42 am »
This offseason comes down to picking up 4 (possibly 5) critical players:

- A starting LT
- A #1 WR  (big, strong, fast -- the whole package)
- A 3rd DE with big-time pass rush ability
- A CB who can immediately upgrade the #2 opposite Tillman and replace him as our 1 in 2-3 years
- (Possibly) A 2nd WR to complete our WR trio (along with the #1, and Bennett); depending on what scheme Tice installs and the fate of Johnny Knox, this could either be a small, blazing fast Knox type or a possession-plus, 1a type WR

If we get those 5 players in here and Tice can put some sort of competitive offense on the field on a regular basis, we're back in the hunt (assuming all our injured guys come back 100% of course).  With 4 draft picks in the top 3 rounds and a bunch of room under the cap to go after FAs, there is no excuse for not getting every one of those needs addressed between now and May. Any GM who knows what he's doing should be able to get this to-do list handled without a great deal of difficulty.

Yapper - The closest thing to this in recent memory would be what Philly did last year getting Babin, Jenkins, and the CB from the Raiders that I can't spell his name and then back-up QB Young.  Give me an example that you are thinking of, it just seems that what you rolled out there would be very difficult and not as you put it, any run of the mill GM out there among the 32. 

The starting cornerstone LT is likely the hardest position to fill in the NFL.  Possibility ranking 5 (hardest to fill from your list) 

A number 1 receiver, ala Megatron - perhaps VJackson, that is doable.  There will be many, not just us pursuing.  Possibility ranking 3

A 3rd DE with big pass rushing ability, like...?  Tell me some comparables that you would say fit the bill and tell me some FAs or potential draftees that would be available?  I'd say it is hard to predict what a draftee will do.  Possibility ranking 4

A number 2 CB, completely agree, that maybe the easiest of your list to complete.  There just have to be upgrades out there better than Jennings.  I'd even be interested in getting someone to be a #1, and have Tillman be the #2.  Possibility ranking 1

A 1a receiver?  I am concerned about Knox.  That was just brutal, never seen an injury like that occur.  That was Theismanesque.  I think if he returns and with Bennett, we are okay.  That is a big if.  I'd probably try to find someone like that in the draft similar to Knox.  Short, quick, burst guy.  I think Hester needs to be relegated to 3rd downs and a package of routes that fit his skills.  I still think that Philly does it best with DJackson when his head is in the game.  Don't send Hester down the seam to catch the ball in traffic, his hands just aren't reliable.  Possibility ranmking 2

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2012, 07:04:00 am »
Yaps - After reading your post again I see you included the draft picks in the first 3 rounds.  I still believe the draft is very hard to predict booms and busts outside of the top 12 picks.  You can't miss in the top 12, after that hit and miss.

How would everyone rate the draft?  While I know Carimi has some yellow flags on him from a few teams, given where we drafted in the first round he was good value.  He showed the edge we were looking for and was injured.  How many games did he miss in college?

Paea - I think looks like a player.  For whatever reason, the Bears brought him along slowly last season.  He seemed to be a playmaker once he got on the field and I think he and Melton, Okoye is a nice young core that I hope we can keep together.  We still need a big plugger, not sure who that is.

Conte - Good pick, was criticised by many on this board at the time of his selection.  He looked solid and with a year under his belt I'd look to see him used closer to the line following his rookie season.  I am not saying he is our strong safety, but I think the coaches were putting him routinely 20 years of the LOS.  Look for that to pinch up.

Enderle - Hate the pick.  Waste of a 5th round pick when you have a top QB in his prime.  Cutler is 27 and we don't need to be drafting developmental QBs.  Stupid pick.

Thomas - Injury red shirt, likely no more than a special teams player. 

After seeing it for a season.  I'd give this draft a B- considering where the Bears picked and the production they got in return.  Carimi if healthy would have pushed this draft up to a solid B.  3 Starters out of this draft.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2012, 07:18:12 am »
if you look at Angelo's last 3-4 drafts, a higher number of his players have stuck than in his previous drafts.
He mentioned changing his philosophy the year he drafted Williams and Forte and it shows.
Now maybe the answer is we were so bad it was easier to find guys who stuck but I don't think that was the case.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2012, 07:19:04 am »
They better be drafting a QB this year - hopefully one that can compete with McCown for the #2 spot

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2012, 08:20:52 am »
Grizz -

Here's how you do it.

- LT:  sign in FA (preferably), OR draft Mike Adams from Ohio State with our 1st round pick; our LT position is so weak that we can take the best OT available at 19 and he'll still be an upgrade.

- #1 WR: via FA

- 3rd DE:  Draft Melvin Ingram or the Coples kid from UNC with our 1st round pick, OR sign in FA  (Cliff Avril may be available)

- 2nd CB:  Draft with our 2nd round pick.  This year's CB class is deep. We won't be getting a top-tier CB in the 2nd round but we should still be able to get a guy that's better than Jennings or Bowman out of the gate.  Like LT, this is a position where the current guys are so shaky that a decent rookie should still represent an upgrade.

- 2nd WR:  Package our two 3rd round picks to get back up into the 2nd round and there, take either the WR from UNC, or Nick Toon, or if we need to replace Knox there should be a smaller speed guy available here too.
 
That's our 5 big needs, addressed right there with no more than two big FA outlays our first 4 picks of the draft.  And we still have rounds 4-7 of the draft to use for depth, upgrade STs or whatever.
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2012, 04:24:32 pm »
Angie's drafts....players in bold still on the team. 2011 squad, jurys still out on them. 10' squad, sucks. 09' squad, for having 9 picks, with what little came of it, sucks. His most successful was the 08' of the four. Still he has produced VERY little in the way of playmakers or difference makers and even fewer Pro Bowl players. Forte is it....not impressive AT all!!! Glad he is GONE!!!!!!



2011
Rnd    Name
1        Gabe Carimi 
2        Stephen Paea 
3        Chris Conte
5        Nathan Enderle 
6        J.T. Thomas

2010
Rnd Name
3     Major Wright
4    Corey Wootton
5     Joshua Moore  -Practice Squad player
6     Dan LeFevour 
7     J'Marcus Webb


2009
Rnd Name
3     Jarron Gilbert
3     Juaquin Iglesias
4    Henry Melton
4    D.J. Moore  
5    Johnny Knox  
5     Marcus Freeman   
6     Al Afalava   
7    Lance Louis   
7     Derek Kinder

2008
Rnd Name 
1     Chris Williams 
2     Matt Forte 
3     Earl Bennett
3     Marcus Harrison 
4    Craig Steltz 
5     Zackary Bowman   
5     Kellen Davis 
7     Ervin Baldwin   
7     Chester Adams
7     Joey LaRocque
7     Kirk Barton
7     Marcus Monk

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2012, 11:29:03 pm »

 A few WR's of note coming up in the 2012 draft.

Justin Blackmon*, WR, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 208.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2012): Top 10 Pick.

Alshon Jeffery*, WR, South Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.

Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.

Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.

Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Height: 5-10. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.

Mohamed Sanu*, WR, Rutgers
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.

Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2012): 2.

Tommy Streeter*, WR, Miami
Height: 6-5. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

Rueben Randle*, WR, LSU
Height: 6-4. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
Height: 6-3. Weight: 217.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

T.Y. Hilton, WR/KR, Florida International
Height: 5-10. Weight: 183.
Projected 40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round (2012): 3.

Ryan Broyles, WR/PR, Oklahoma
Height: 5-11. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2012): 3.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2012, 09:35:55 pm »

 After the loss of Olsen,thanks to angelo, who was Cutlers safety valve ...

 we should notice what N.E. is doing with two T.E.'s.

 They are lining up Hernandez at RB and he is getting numbers against Denver.

 Here's some T.E.'s worth note.


 Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson
Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.

 Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Height: 6-6. Weight: 248.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

 Tyler Eifert*, TE, Notre Dame
Height: 6-6. Weight: 242.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

 Orson Charles*, TE, Georgia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 241.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.

 David Paulson, TE, Oregon
Height: 6-4. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2012): 3-4.

 Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 3-4.

 George Bryan, TE, N.C. State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.

 Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
Height: 6-6. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.

 Drake Dunsmore, TE, Northwestern
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.

 Nick Provo, TE, Syracuse
Height: 6-4. Weight: 249.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.

 Philip Lutzenkirchen, TE, Auburn
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 4-5.

 Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
Height: 6-6. Weight: 270.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6. 

 Josh Chichester, TE, Louisville
Height: 6-8. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.

 Rhett Ellison, TE, USC
Height: 6-5. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2012): 5-6.

 Ladarius Green, TE, Louisiana-Lafayette
Height: 6-6. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 5-6.

 Jake Stoneburner, TE, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2012): 5-6.

 Brandon Barden, TE, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-5. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2012): 6-7.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2012, 09:49:58 pm »
We need a true #1 WR first.

By the way Greg Oslen is no Vernon Davis and he should not be mentioned after this in the same sentence as Graham or Gronkowski.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2012, 11:04:33 pm »
We need a true #1 WR first.

By the way Greg Oslen is no Vernon Davis and he should not be mentioned after this in the same sentence as Graham or Gronkowski.

 But you get the idea, right Duck?

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2012, 11:18:02 pm »
We need offensive weapons I agree.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2012, 06:15:33 am »
I dont care if you had 10 more offensive weapons. Unless you fix that OLine Cuttler is going to be on his butt holding the ball. You cant get the ball to those weapons laying on the ground.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2012, 11:51:08 am »
I tend to agree but I noticed a lot recently with the better teams, especially NE last night a lot of times in less than 2 secs the QB has the ball out of his hands. A DL untouched can barely get there in 2 secs so most stiffs can hold a guy up for 2 secs. The key is that Welker and Branch and Hernandez and Gronkowski  and Driver and Jennings and Nelson and Colston and  guys like that can get open when our guys can't.