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yapper

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2013, 03:55:39 pm »
Spellman had 10 times the physical talent of McClellin... OT size and wingspan with LB speed. When Zo's mind was right (which was way too rare), he was virtually unblockable. Unfortunately he was also uncoachable and had absolutely no personal discipline which showed up on and off the field and eventually undid him.

I see Shea Mac's game and best case ceiling being more like Trace Armstrong though the Alex Brown comparison also works.
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dallasbear

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2013, 04:05:09 pm »

Spellman was bi-polar and wasn't diagnosed with it until going to the Cowboys.

He was fast and powerful and gave consistently gave 100% effort but really didn't have any moves besides the bull rush to go after the passer.  He had more success when the Cowboys moved him inside and medicated him.

I'm thinking maybe its time we do the same to Peppers...move him inside that is.

yapper

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2013, 05:49:08 pm »
I remember so many times Zo just destroying the OT in front of him and then running right past the QB.

Quite possibly the most frustrating Bear I've ever watched play because he had All Pro physical gifts but zero football instincts and a complete trainwreck in his personal life. If he had had a Brandon Marshall type mentor enter his life at the right time he may have been a Hall of Famer but it wasnt meant to be.
 
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Grizzlybear34

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2013, 06:55:25 pm »
Dave 23 - Under which topic?  2013 draft??

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2013, 06:56:04 pm »
I don't think McClellin compares with Trace Armstrong or Alex Brown or Spellman.  He is small and looks puny getting engulfed by OTs.  He cant shed blocks or hold the edge.  He gets pushed around a lot.  He has/had speed but that is about it.   

yapper

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2013, 07:51:50 pm »
Trace Armstrong was about 6'4 265 IIRC. Bigger than McClellin but not by much.

I think McClellin is just one of those guys who plays smaller than his size.

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2013, 08:38:51 pm »
It's in the 2012 NFL Draft topic, near the bottom of the archives...

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2013, 11:21:51 pm »
Not too many of us liked the McClellin pick. I hated it. I like that he finally sacked Rodgers....that's about the only memorable play he's made....

dallasbear

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2013, 02:03:32 am »

I think Alex Brown and McClellin were both around 6-3 260.  Brown was your lunch pail type player - played the run tough and recorded 6 or 7 sacks each and every year.

Armstrong's problem was that he came a few years after Dent and Hampton and was never full appreciated.  He had over 100 career sacks and had double digit sacks 4 times in his career - most of his sacks came while he was a Dolphin.

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2013, 07:06:53 am »
he lists 6'3, 260 but he looks smaller than that.
Urlacher was only 1" taller but looked much bigger.
I know compared to Peppers and Wooten most DE's looks small.
Does Shea get much time at RDE?

yapper

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2013, 07:18:28 am »
Yeah Armstrong seemed to fit in Miami's scheme a little better than he did in Chicago. I remember Wanny playing him at both DT and DE whereas in Miami he was more of a strict pass rush specialist...  Fewer reps but more productivity. Also, having gone to U of Florida I think the climate and the whole way of life down there was a lot more to his liking. We got a couple of decent draft picks for him IIRC but knowing the complete incompetence of our personnel staff in the Wanny era I'm sure we wasted those picks on nobodies.

FWIW Wikipedia says Trace Armstrong is 48 now, still lives in Florida and is a sports agent with several big name college coaches as clients.
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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2013, 05:57:53 am »
 My latest version with some minor changes. A change in priorities with regard to stopping the run.

1) Tim Jernigan DT  Most consistent and best run stuffing DT in this years draft (IMO)

2) Kyle Fuller CB  Great cover and run support CB

3) Chris Borland ILB  Maybe SS? This guy is non-stop all over the field strong against the run. (5'11" / 248lbs.) A playmaker!

4) Jalen Saunders WR   Gets open and good after catch. Also would be Hester's replacement on special teams. Good blocker.

5) Bryan Stork C

6) Max Bulloch MLB  Very good run stopper and prototypical size for position.

6) Andre Hal CB   good all around skills and value. Need to get younger.

joki13

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2013, 05:59:43 am »
 Videos are available at Draft Breakdown.

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2013, 09:55:07 am »
post link to draft breakdown.  thanks.

joki13

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Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2013, 11:08:01 am »
http://draftbreakdown.com/ 


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