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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10560 on: December 18, 2012, 09:03:15 pm »
Yeah Sanchez has a pretty decent injury history.  There's a good part of me that thinks we dodged a bullet not going five years on him.

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« Reply #10561 on: December 18, 2012, 09:22:38 pm »
The two advantages we have over Texas are we play in the NL and don't play in Arlington.

Still, the Rangers have a lot of money to spend, no state income tax, and their organization is in great shape.
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« Reply #10562 on: December 18, 2012, 09:26:40 pm »
Well, you've got to think this won't drag out too long.  If he doesn't make his decision in the next day or two, MLB pretty much shuts down until after the new year.  Hopefully he wants to get it done before Christmas.

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« Reply #10563 on: December 19, 2012, 11:41:14 am »
The Nationals, Phillies, Cubs, Mariners and Rangers are all interested in free agent reliever J.P. Howell, reports MLB.com's Bill Ladson.

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« Reply #10565 on: December 19, 2012, 12:22:59 pm »
Well, you've got to think this won't drag out too long.

Right. These things rarely do.   ;)

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10566 on: December 19, 2012, 12:36:56 pm »
What did Rogers have to say for people that aren't subscribers?

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« Reply #10567 on: December 19, 2012, 12:42:24 pm »
Rogers on Jackson:

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One thing about guys who put together baseball teams for a living: They are open-minded in their approach to evaluating talent. They strip away reputations and examine contributions. They study the signs of improvement and regression.

They’re not always going to reach the right conclusions, of course, and certainly they don’t always chart the right course, as they’re not operating in a vacuum. They’re dealing with an ever-changing inventory of players and a landscape that is impacted by 29 other teams.

It was reported late Tuesday by ESPN and Sirius-SM’s Jim Bowden that the Cubs and Rangers are finalists for the services of Edwin Jackson, with a suggestion that one of them might do what his previous frontrunner, the Padres, would not: give Jackson a four-year contract.

EJax? Four years, maybe $50 million? Even three years, $36 million? Either way, isn’t that a lot for a guy who will be going to his eighth team, the seventh in his last six seasons?

Jackson has been the sort of player that you rent when you need him, not buy for the long haul. But if Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer are open-minded to Jackson – and the Cubs have not confirmed their involvement with this Scott Boras client – then there must be a reason, just as there was when they offered Anibal Sanchez $75 million over five years last week.

Sure enough, there is. In terms of regular-season performance, Jackson has been almost exactly the same pitcher as Sanchez since July 31, 2010, when he was traded from the Diamondbacks to the White Sox.

At 29, he is older than Sanchez – by less than six months, however – and while Sanchez pitched very well against the Orioles, Yankees and Giants in the just-completed postseason, Jackson was hit hard by the Cardinals. You can argue that Jackson’s regular-season numbers are a tick better than Sanchez’s, however.

Since August, 2010, Sanchez has gone 22-28 with a 3.79 ERA and 1.28 WHIP in 75 starts for the Marlins and Tigers, working 462 2/3 innings. While with the White Sox, Cardinals and Nationals, Jackson was 26-22 with a 3.80 ERA and 1.31 WHIP in 74 starts, working 464 1/3 innings.

Both pitched primarily in the National League, but Jackson made 14 more starts against American League lineups than Sanchez (34-20) in this time. Adjusted for league differential, his ERA and WHIP would be lower than Sanchez’s over the last 2 1/3 seasons.

Jackson’s slider is about as good of a put-away pitch as anything Sanchez has, and he throws harder – a lot harder – than Sanchez. According to the PitchFX information at Fangraphs.com, Jackson hit 100 on a radar gun as recently as 2010 and last year peaked at 97.6 mph with an average of 93.4 on his fastball (fourth best in the NL among qualifiers, behind Jeff Samardzija, Jordan Zimmermann and Edinson Volquez). Sanchez topped out at 96.9 and his fastball averaged 91.5.

Sanchez has shown more pitchability than Jackson. He throws more strikes and uses his secondary pitches (especially a changeup) much more often. But stack the numbers side by side and it’s hard to see why one guy is an emerging star and the other is considered a tease and disappointment waiting to happen.
It’s amazing to me that Jackson has bounced around so much and not become walking scar tissue. He has an even demeanor in the clubhouse and seems popular among his ever-changing cast of teammates.

Last night, I asked an executive who knows Jackson well about him. “Like him,’’ he said. “Been on some good teams. Athletic. Competes well.’’

As for the improvement he’s shown the last two years, he said: “Command better now that he has learned how to harness his fastball. Slider always (his) out pitch. Solid No. 3, 4 starter. Takes ball.  I like him personally.’’

How would Jackson respond if he got another chance to spend a few years in the same spot? It seems that Epstein and Hoyer believe he’d be just fine, maybe better.

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« Reply #10568 on: December 19, 2012, 12:53:10 pm »
In a lot of the trades Jackson has been in, he's been traded for some pretty good players.

He was part of the Curtis Granderson trade where the Tigers got Austin Jackson, Max Scherzer, and Phil Coke.  Hard to argue with that trade.

He was traded by the Diamondbacks for Daniel Hudson, who was looking good until he needed Tommy John surgery.

He was traded by the Blue Jays for Colby Rasmus, who was once one of the top prospects in the league.

He may have bounced around a lot, but teams have had to pay a pretty decent price to get him at most stops he's had.  Certainly no Milton Bradley/Carlos Zambrano type dump trades among those deals.  Pretty much, he's been a pretty in demand pitcher the last few seasons.
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« Reply #10569 on: December 19, 2012, 01:18:05 pm »
Yeah, I'd be a lot more concerned about the moving from team to team thing if he had a reputation like Milton Bradley, or he was going for fringe talent as part of salary dumps, or if he'd changed teams a couple times because he'd been non-tendered.  But that's not the case...he just happens to be a player who has enough value to be desirable in a trade, but not quite enough to be seen as an off-limits building block.

Over the last four years, Edwin Jackson is 23rd in MLB in fWAR at 14.0.  For some context, he's more than a win ahead of Ryan Dempster at #29 (12.9 fWAR) and Anibal Sanchez at #30 (12.7 fWAR).  Every name ahead of him is very good, or at least has been for most of the past four years:

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« Reply #10570 on: December 19, 2012, 01:32:02 pm »
If you're really wanting to see us bring Jackson in, one thing you have to be concerned about is that Theo so far has been pretty consistently coming in 2nd or 3rd place on these free agents who want multi-year contracts.  So far, there's been a reluctance to go all the way on guys like Anibal Sanchez, Jeff Keppinger, Jason Grilli, Mike Adams, etc.

Granted I have no real problem with that, since we're at a point in the rebuilding process where we don't need to be doing a lot of that.  Still, if you want free agents, you have to overpay to bring them in, especially in our situation.   We obviously didn't want Sanchez badly enough where we were willing to give him a 6th year or pay him $17-18 million per year to make sure we got him in. 

So does Theo really want Jackson badly enough to outbid the Rangers for him?  The Rangers are in win now mode, have a ton of money to spend, and a clear need for a pitcher like Jackson.  Just based on where the Rangers are and Theo's reluctance to pay any price for most of our higher end free agent targets, it doesn't seem especially likely.

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« Reply #10571 on: December 19, 2012, 01:35:23 pm »
Jackson OPS against:  2008 .796,  2009 .726, 2010  .735,  2011  .768,  2012 .719
Sanchez OPS against: 2010 .680,  2011  .711,  2012  .716
Garza OPS against 2008 .683,  2009 .695, 2010 .728,  2011 .654,  2012 .693



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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10574 on: December 19, 2012, 03:14:15 pm »
I'm sure this won't drag out too long.   ;)