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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10575 on: December 19, 2012, 05:42:59 pm »
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Cubs agree with villanueva

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10576 on: December 19, 2012, 05:46:19 pm »
And the inevitable follow-up that doesn't believe it's a completely done deal"

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Source: #Cubs close on Villanueva. Agreement in place, according to @JonHeymanCBS.

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« Reply #10577 on: December 19, 2012, 05:51:27 pm »
Assuming this deal is happening, I really like him as a swing man.  And I really don't like it if he's been guaranteed a rotation spot, because that likely means no Jackson.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10578 on: December 19, 2012, 06:13:18 pm »
Well, it's been a half hour and Heyman is still the only one reporting this as a done deal.  Rosenthal is the only other guy who has reported it as close.  So I guess we're getting close to the "here we go again" zone.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10579 on: December 19, 2012, 06:17:18 pm »
Assuming this deal is happening, I really like him as a swing man.  And I really don't like it if he's been guaranteed a rotation spot, because that likely means no Jackson.

I still don't know how good I feel about giving four years to Jackson, so my feelings won't be hurt too badly if Jackson falls through because of this. 

We'll have to see, but I'm still not sure this would keep us out of the running for him, though.  Feldman and Villenueva are both pretty much used to being swing men by now.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10580 on: December 19, 2012, 06:36:59 pm »
HA!

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#Cubs are talking to free agent RHP Carlos Villanueva & also RHP Edwin Jackson. Nothing done yet

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10581 on: December 19, 2012, 06:44:42 pm »
Heyman is the one who says a Villanueva deal is done, so with this tweet, I'm assuming Jackson would be in play even if they do sign Villanueva:

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Edwin Jackson is in play for #cubs. #rangers have some interest. #padres stopped at 3 yrs and bowed out yesterday.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10582 on: December 19, 2012, 06:49:49 pm »
I hope David Kaplan isn't already on Christmas vacation.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10583 on: December 19, 2012, 07:01:14 pm »
Questionable source, but...

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Phil Rogers ‏@ChiTribRogers
While the Cubs are close to signing Carlos Villanueva -- not done yet, despite reports -- they're still in on Edwin Jackson. Want him too.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10584 on: December 19, 2012, 07:05:56 pm »
If they DO sign Jackson and Villanueva, it should make for an active July trading session.

Let's see.  How many prospects can we get in July for Garza, Baker, Feldman, Jackson and Villenueva?

Especially if we toss in Marmol and Fujisawa.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10585 on: December 19, 2012, 07:12:40 pm »
If the Cubs get both Jackson and Villanueva, it'll be interesting to see what happens next. 

We know Garza, Samardzija, and Jackson would fill the first three spots in the rotation.  Everything we've heard from the front office makes it sound like Baker and Feldman are being looked at as starters only as well.  So that would leave Wood and Villanueva in the pen.

BUT...given Villanueva's strong preference for starting (it was said earlier in the offseason that he would only sign with a team that was going to let him start), it seems unlikely that he'd sign somewhere that didn't guarantee him at least a shot in spring training to compete for a rotation spot.  So, I would think that signing both of them would mean at least one of two things: (1) they expect enough problems with Garza's or Baker's rehab that they'd have at least one spot open for competition in spring training, or (2) there is more trade interest in Garza than we'd expect despite his injury.

Chances are, the Cubs will miss out on one or both of them, though.  So we probably don't have to worry about any of this.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10586 on: December 19, 2012, 07:26:50 pm »
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Sources: #Indians in talks with EJax as well as Swisher. Probably cannot sign both. #Cubs also strong on EJax. Should get at least 4 years.

I've wondered about Swisher's market.  If his market is small enough, I'd be kind of interested in him.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10587 on: December 19, 2012, 08:44:32 pm »
Looks like we're at least making en effort to be better. Cant knock that at all and if we do suck we should have some real good trading chips. Im enjoying rebuilding.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10588 on: December 19, 2012, 08:52:37 pm »
Assuming we're somehow able to land Jackson, Villenueva, and Howell, here's how the pitching staff shapes up.  Definitely would have much more depth than we had last year.

ROTATION

Jeff Samardzija
Matt Garza
Edwin Jackson
Scott Baker
Carlos Villenueva

BULLPEN

Carlos Marmol  (Closer)
Kyuji Fujikawa  (RH Setup)
James Russell   (LH Setup)
Shawn Camp    (RH Middle)
J.P. Howell       (LH Middle)
Scott Feldman  (RH Long)
Travis Wood     (LH Long)

Actually if we're going to fit someone like Sandy Rosario or Michael Bowden in the bullpen, we'd pretty much have to dump Marmol.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10589 on: December 19, 2012, 08:53:33 pm »
Man, I'd love to add a really top notch defensive centerfielder.  if we had that, our pitching and defense situation would really be looking terrific.