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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10740 on: January 02, 2013, 01:18:53 pm »
Craig's campaign against Baez continues.  Shameless.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10741 on: January 02, 2013, 01:26:58 pm »
Here's the post referenced by CUBluejays earlier:

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Cubs have put together a significant package to present to Miami (have yet to discuss name with team)... View this as a 'once in a generation' opportunity and are determined to 'make it difficult for Miami to say no'... Have done exploratory work on potential three and four team opportunities, possibly flipping MLB SP for prospects as well...

If the Marlins decide to trade Stanton, I think the main thing it would do is open the door for the Cubs to trade for one of the Diamondbacks outfielders.  If the Marlins trade Stanton, then the smart money is on him ending up with the Rangers.  If the Rangers got him, they'd be out of the market for Upton or Kubel...and they've seemed like the DBacks most aggressive suitors the entire offseason.  The Diamondbacks pretty much have to move one of their 5 or so starting quality outfielders before the season starts.  If Texas was no longer a match, the Cubs might be able to sweep in and pursue Upton or (much more likely) Parra.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10742 on: January 02, 2013, 01:29:00 pm »
We still need to make a 40 man move to make room for Jackson don't we?

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10743 on: January 02, 2013, 01:33:51 pm »
Cubs.com has a space for Jackson on the roster.  Not sure if they're correct, though...I don't remember anyone being taken off at any point for him.

Also, Rosenthal tweet:

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Lots of interest in #Marlins’ Stanton, but sources all but rule out a deal. One source says chances are “as close to zero as they can be.”

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10744 on: January 02, 2013, 01:46:02 pm »
Cubs.com has a space for Jackson on the roster.  Not sure if they're correct, though...I don't remember anyone being taken off at any point for him.

Also, Rosenthal tweet:


Looks like there are 40 men on the roster with Jackson on there, and I don't see anyone obvious who's missing.  Maybe we did have a spot open before today.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10745 on: January 02, 2013, 02:01:03 pm »
I would trade Baez for Stanton in a heartbeat, for all the reasons that Craig gives, and more.

The problem is, Miami would scoff at that offer.

Getting Stanton in a trade would take more than Baez.  It would take more than Baez and Castro.  It would probably take as much, or more, than Baez, Castro and Soler.

In my opinion.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10746 on: January 02, 2013, 02:35:45 pm »
I doubt Soler would interest the Marlins, he'd be their 2nd highest paid player.  I generally wouldn't be into dumping the farm, but for Stanton I would give up whatever the wanted.  I just doubt the Cubs have enough.

A lot of what gets posted in second hand info and it doesn't go anywhere, but I'm sure there is a lot of crap that jets discussed by teams that end up going no where.  Another rumor was a 3 way trade with, Gyorko to the Cubs, Gavin Floyd to the Padres, Woods to the White Sox.  Additional Cubs involved would be Vitters, Szcur+.  A pretty low chance of it happening though. 

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10747 on: January 02, 2013, 02:50:06 pm »
Of course the Cubs have enough.  I suspect an offer of Samardzija, Castro, Rizzo, Baez, Soler, Almora, Vizcaino and Almora would be acceptable to Miami.  Those they had no use for could be traded for some that they needed.

If you meant that they didn't have enough to spare, I agree.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10748 on: January 02, 2013, 02:50:20 pm »
Does anyone know how many free agents have been signed so far that result in a compensation pick being awarded?  I'm not sure where to look for such information.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10749 on: January 02, 2013, 02:54:46 pm »
You can look that up with a filter in MLB Trade Rumors' free agent tracker:

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So far:

Swisher, Hamilton, and Upton have changed teams, and their old team gets a draft pick.

Ortiz and Kuroda declined qualifying offers but remained with the same team, so no pick is awarded.

Lohse, Bourn, LaRoche, and Soriano have declined qualifying offers and could still give their old team draft pick compensation.


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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10750 on: January 02, 2013, 02:57:28 pm »
Jackson takes the roster to 40, with Carlos Villanueva yet to be rostered, so somebody (Campana, please) must go.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10751 on: January 02, 2013, 03:00:22 pm »
Samardzija, Soler, and to a lesser extent Castro would have limited interest to Miami.  They have Nolasco at around $10 million, and then their next highest salary is $2 million.  Know Samardzija/Garza could get traded for prospects but your still going to go up against some farm systems that have high-end, MLB ready talent that is cheap. 

3 so far.  2 1st rounders were eliminated, 1 second rounder.  Bourn, LaRoche, Lohse, Soriano are the remaining free agents that will cost a pick.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10752 on: January 02, 2013, 03:56:26 pm »
Thanks BR and CBJ.

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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10753 on: January 02, 2013, 04:09:25 pm »
Assuming LaRoche re-signs with Washington and the other three sign with teams without a protected first-round pick, the Cubs' second-round pick would be #40. There are 31 first-round picks (Pittsburgh gets a comp pick for not signing Appel), six lottery picks, the Yankees' comp pick for Swisher (the Indians first-round pick was protected) and the Astros' second-round pick ahead of us. If all four remaining qualified free agents sign with teams with protected first-round picks, our second-round pick would fall to #44.

To put this into perspective, our comp picks last year were #43 (Pierce Johnson) and #56 (Paul Blackburn), and our second-round pick was #67 (Duane Underwood).
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Re: Cubs in '12
« Reply #10754 on: January 02, 2013, 05:09:36 pm »
Or, to put it in perspective, the 2004 Red Sox (Theo's 2nd draft) took Dustin Pedroia as the team's first pick, the 65th pick in the draft, and Pedroia to date has a WAR of 30.7