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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1260 on: October 02, 2015, 12:27:40 pm »
I assume Sox will offer samardz arb, and he'll be a comp-pick sacrifice guy? 

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1261 on: October 02, 2015, 12:34:17 pm »
Smarj is the anti-Christ!

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1262 on: October 02, 2015, 12:38:02 pm »
Milton Bradley, Ian Stewart, Jeff Smarjachoke...I'll take Edwin Jackson back, please.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1263 on: October 02, 2015, 12:40:19 pm »
Samardz is certainly the devil they know, so presumably they will act accordingly.  I think I'd stay away from the guy, but if they sign him, I'll take that as a good sign.  Would much rather have Price. . . .

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« Reply #1264 on: October 02, 2015, 01:11:56 pm »
Dave-I'll ask you again. You ignored the question that tests your argument. You say nobody could lose skills after being moved off a more difficult position to a less demanding position for a couple years and that returning to that position as a regular and playing well there is no problem.

So, with 115 years of baseball history since 1900, give me 5 or 6 examples. First you said Rose was good at 3B; now you concede maybe he wasn't. If anybody can do it, give me the examples. Simple question. You have from 1900 to 2015. Better if we leave out outlier Hall of Famers but that's a start. Waiting.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1265 on: October 02, 2015, 01:16:54 pm »
Thoughts about the preferred lineup for Wednesday?

I suggest:  Fowler, Coghlan, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Castro, Montero, Arrieta, Russell.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1266 on: October 02, 2015, 01:36:16 pm »
From Heyman

Could the Cubs revisit Jeff Samardzija in the winter? David Price is expected to be their top pitching target due partly to the obvious Joe Maddon/Rays connection, but could Samardzija be a fallback guy? They offered him in the "low $80s (millions)," a few years back, and made multiple offers (though they included option years), that deal still looks reasonable considering his surprising struggles this year. Plus, he pitched best for them.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25324936/inside-baseball-nationals-to-let-williams-go-and-more-mlb-moves
I predict Shark signs with the NYYankees and proceeds to suck in 2016 and then get into some type of controversy during the summer and the fans there will hate him.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1267 on: October 02, 2015, 01:42:07 pm »
There are a number of myths in baseball, many of them to make the game more mystical and entertaining.  Did Jim Edmonds have to dive on all those baseballs hit his direction, probably not, but it looked cool and sold tickets. 

Growing up, it was always a big topic of conversation when a player changed position...oh, no, it will never work!  He's a shortstop, no way he can play centerfield!  But Robin Yount is in the HOF.  I remember a lot of angst at all the moves that Pete Rose made...successfully.   The myth is  that players are best at one position and that moving them is dangerous, because, well, he's an expert at third base but knows nothing about left field!  People forget that these guys, for the most part, have been playing other positions in practice, since Little League, in high school and college, etc.   Joe Madden is the anti-Reb.  He's moved Coughlan from left to right to second to first.  Bryant has played all over.  Maddon knows that somewhere, sometime, Herrera has played every position on the diamond.   Everyone thought he was a genius for how he used Zobrist and others in Tampa.  Actually, he just spit in the face of myth and tradition.  It wasn't genius, it was distain.  These are athletes; some are locked into a position because they excel at it or because of lefthandedness, but they can all move.  Successfully.

Myths? Players have been moving around on the diamond since 1875. When did anybody say that can't be done?

Yount moved from SS to CF.  That's precisely, exactly, consistent with the defensive spectrum. Bryant, as a rookie, is certainly capable of moving around in the same season. Herrera, a utility guy, is used as a utility guy. Wholly unremarkable.

What you see rarely is players moving backwards on the spectrum as regulars after playing lesser positions for years. Coghlan playing 2B for a few games (and getting pulled defensively in 6th inning) was unorthodox but fleeting. Where is he playing now? One corner to another corner: RF or LF or 1B. Is Coghlan a 2B regular? No. Zobrist moves around in same season, a super utility guy. These kind of guys were very common in early days of baseball. Wholly unremarkable in big picture.

I'm talking about something else. If Schwarber is playing LF as a regular in 2016 and 2017 and not catching for two years, he isn't going to pick up where he left off as a catcher and move back there in 2018. If Bryant is an outfielder full-time in 2016 and 2017, highly unlikely you'd see him as a 3B regular in 2018. If Bryant is moved around simultaneously like Zobrist in same season, sure he could do that for some time. Different situation.

But, if you installed Mike Olt as your full time 3B and Bryant as full time LFer for couple of years, highly unlikely you'd ever see Bryant as a 3B regular again. Give me a bunch of examples that prove otherwise. And, let's keep the HOFers to a minimum.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1268 on: October 02, 2015, 01:42:28 pm »
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I suggest:  Fowler, Coghlan, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Castro, Montero, Arrieta, Russell.

My only hesitation is that Coghlan is ice cold over the last two weeks:  .074   .257   .111 over 35 plate appearances.  We might get a Joe Maddon Special lineup.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1269 on: October 02, 2015, 01:46:00 pm »
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But, if you installed Mike Olt as your full time 3B and Bryant as full time LFer for couple of years

No one ever said that was a good idea.  Harping on that is tired.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1270 on: October 02, 2015, 01:49:06 pm »

1.  His bad year means he'll be really signable for relatively cheap?  Bargain opportunity?


If they can't get him relatively cheaply (say 3 years, 15 per year, perhaps with options), I hope they don't try to sign him.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1271 on: October 02, 2015, 01:51:28 pm »
Coghlan has been a key cogh in the wheel all season.  I think I'd go with him.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1272 on: October 02, 2015, 02:00:18 pm »
The Cubs magic number for clinching the third best MLB record is two.

94-65   Cubs
92-67   Bluejays finish the season at Tampa Bay   
92-67   Royals visit Minnesota

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1273 on: October 02, 2015, 02:02:00 pm »
Myths? Players have been moving around on the diamond since 1875. When did anybody say that can't be done?


I think the "when" would be when you put up about a kazillion prior posts to that effect, though you could probably argue that you aren't really "anybody."

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1274 on: October 02, 2015, 02:04:58 pm »
1. Craig Biggio played second base for eleven years (1992 through 2002), played the outfield 2003 and 2004 (exactly a couple of years, since that seems to be important to you for some reason), came back to play second base in 2005 through 2007..

You failed to understand the sarcasm I used about Rose's defense, so I won't use any here.  Biggio was a good defensive second baseman earlier in his career, and came back to be a good second baseman after a couple of years in the outfield, in spite of your silly contentions.  But of course, Bryant couldn't, because you say so.