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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1485 on: October 14, 2015, 12:45:18 pm »
I don't have no stinkin' baggage
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1486 on: October 14, 2015, 12:49:46 pm »
I wonder if being young hasn't helped to some degree.  Other than a couple of months for Baez and Soler last summer, you've never been a loser.  You've heard the Cubs hype, so you expect you're going to winning for a long time.  Too young to feel like it's a once-in-a-lifetime moment.  Too young to be distracted by Cubs history or the weight of lifetime Cub-fan grandfathers. 
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1487 on: October 14, 2015, 12:53:15 pm »
I think starting Lester in game 1 would be a mistake. I like the option of using Arietta on short rest in Game 4 (and 7, should it come to that).
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1488 on: October 14, 2015, 01:01:45 pm »
Arrieta has never pitched more than 157 innings in a season--and zero post-season add-on innings.  He has been so phenomenal late, of course, so seems counter-intuitive that might be tiring just a bit if pushed too far---- but maybe, just maybe, it would be a good thing having him pitch with normal rest for two starts in NLCS and leave it at that.

Lester, on other hand, has had multiple 200+ inning seasons and, of course, post-season add-ons.  He in not Arrieta in top-form, of course, but think maybe he can handle 3-day rest start(s) just fine relative to his top form.  So, makes sense to me if he goes game #1.

Not an obvious call either way.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1489 on: October 14, 2015, 01:05:52 pm »
In Joe I trust.
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« Reply #1490 on: October 14, 2015, 01:06:23 pm »
Sure seemed like Maddon could barely contain himself getting Hammel out of the game yesterday.  Just seems like Maddon has lost confidence in Hammel.

So, anybody think there is any chance that Cubs substitute Haren for Hammel to make that one start in the NLCS?  Not advocating that, but wonder if it's a realistic possibility.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1491 on: October 14, 2015, 01:08:43 pm »
I'm on board for that Reb.  I have far more confidence in Haren to not get caught up in the moment than Hammel, who seems to be a hothead when things go poorly.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1492 on: October 14, 2015, 01:09:20 pm »
It really is too bad they pulled Richard int the bullpen.  I think he would be our best option at this point if he was stretched out.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1493 on: October 14, 2015, 01:09:21 pm »
Hammel is getting too much rest.  Yesterday was 12 days off.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1494 on: October 14, 2015, 01:09:46 pm »
Quote from: Reb on October 14, 2015, 12:42:39 pm
I think, somehow, Maddon has turned around some of the Cubs disadvantages into advantages.

But, Maddon emphasizes process for the players. Go about your business.  Never mentions "winning" to his players.  Only concern yourself with next AB and fielding the next grounder.  So, think Maddon came in well aware of insulating his players from the collective baggage we, the fans, all have.  Different than most every other franchise. Don't ignore it--have to deal with it and so far, so good.

I always worry about the historical baggage.  Think might have played a role in 2007 and 2008 division series---after the 2003 meltdown. Players must feel that when they go about their business around town and fans stop them to chat.  But, have to put that in the trash can and Maddon is doing a good job with that.  Hope it can continue.

Agree with the entire post, but particularly the part about process. Maddon also said that if you focus on a future outcome, that instills fear of not achieving that outcome, and fear gets in the way of success.  I was explaining this to a family member recently and said that I found the philosophy to have application in everyday life as well. 

Amazingly, this has affected not just the players but an awful lot Cub fans and media folks as well (at least in Chicago).  A number of people have observed how the fans in Wrigley were unfazed by developments that would have struck fear in the heart and hopes of fans in prior playoffs.  Joe has created believers in first his players and eventually the fans as well. 

I've taken to referring to Joe as Yoda Maddon.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1495 on: October 14, 2015, 01:17:46 pm »
We can't forget the magicians and the zoo animals.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1496 on: October 14, 2015, 01:18:48 pm »
No games started on short rest, please.
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« Reply #1497 on: October 14, 2015, 01:22:41 pm »
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No games started on short rest, please.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1498 on: October 14, 2015, 01:26:45 pm »
Quote from: JeffH on October 14, 2015, 01:18:48 pm
No games started on short rest, please.
Fifty years ago today, pitching on two days rest, Sandy Koufax shutout the Twins 2-0 to win the World Series.  I was there.

Before we say don't do it, the alternative has to be considered.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1499 on: October 14, 2015, 01:27:13 pm »
Quote from: Reb on October 14, 2015, 01:06:23 pm
Sure seemed like Maddon could barely contain himself getting Hammel out of the game yesterday.  Just seems like Maddon has lost confidence in Hammel.

So, anybody think there is any chance that Cubs substitute Haren for Hammel to make that one start in the NLCS?  Not advocating that, but wonder if it's a realistic possibility.

It seemed like I remembered that Haren had one well against the Cardinals in the past, and because of that there was some speculation that he might be used against them, but he was not.  Just looked it up, and in 3 games against them this season he held them to a .664 OPS.  Over his career they had a .713 OPS in 10 games.

Haren only pitched one game against the Dodgers this season and one against the Mets. It's only one game against each, so maybe it doesn't mean anything.  But Mets hitters had an OPS of .658 (.678 for his carrer) compared to the Dodgers' 1.230 OPS (.741 for his career). 

But I agree that Joe clearly has very little confidence in Hammel at this point, so maybe he will consider using Haren over Hammel. Hendricks certainly seems to be ahead of Hammel at this point.
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