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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1710 on: October 30, 2015, 12:48:55 am »

Scott Boras is Arietta's agent.  Anyone want to guess what Boras will ask for demand this off-season's arbitration?

I expect Boras will submit an offer for a minimum of $15 million as Rick Porcello was given $12.5 million by the Red Sox to avoid arbitration last winter.  Then again with the Red Sox giving Porcello a 4 year/$82.5 million contract in April I wouldn't be surprised if Boras asks somewhere between $18-$20 million just for the 2016 season.


 

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1711 on: October 30, 2015, 02:02:51 am »
It's not really smart for the player to highball an arb submission. That just gives the club a boost if the club's submission is closer to arb reality, as the arbitrator picks one or the other. The art is being high enough without going overboard. Too high and it's incentive for the club to actually arbitrate. Cubs don't like to do it but they will if conclude player's submission is a loser. Boras treats arb differently than free agency.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1712 on: October 30, 2015, 12:40:19 pm »
Obviously, dramatic difference hitting with two strikes compared to hitting with no strikes. If you were giving a baseball statistical tutorial to a novice, you'd start by showing your student what hitters hit on each count.

Gammons website today has charts on this (see link). Cubs are amazing. Worst two-strike hitters in MLB and best no-strike hitters in MLB. And, get into most two-strike counts in MLB--which isn't too hot if you're going to be the worst group of two-strike hitters.

Of course, all the two-strike counts probably a factor in deep counts and high pitches per PA that Cubs rack up (and high walks), but quite a contrast between what Cubs do with two strikes and what KC does with two strikes. Also probably a factor in Cubs woes scoring runners from 3B with less than two outs.

Hitting with two strikes sucks for everybody. And Cubs suck more than anybody doing it. So, something to be addressed going forward.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1713 on: October 30, 2015, 01:06:45 pm »
Thanks, reb.  Interesting that there's less scatter among the teams.  I thought the Cubs might have a much smaller sample of no-strike hitting, since they are so patient.  But their plate appearance with no-strike contact is only about 100 PA and 7% below average. 

And all the teams bunch how many 2-strike AB's they have:  KC lowest (only 2813) Cubs highest (3374).  I thought there might be a larger spread than that.  Cubs OPS is awful (.466), but even the Royals are still only .573, and the crafty Cardinals .515. 

I've always felt that when minor leaguers with low-walk problems like Corey or Colvin try to adapt, they do so by taking more pitches and K'ing lots more and HR lots less.  And when a guy with K-problems tries to adjust, it's usually less by becoming a gifted hitter than by swinging earlier, such that walks and power decline.   If your hitting ability and pitch recognition skill just isn't very good, you can adapt but there's only so much you can do.  I assume the Cubs could adapt and cut back on the K's if they just tried to swing earlier in the count.  I think Russell made some adjustments in that direction after the all-star break. 

Will be interesting to see whether Russell and Bryant adjust a bit by swinging more often and early.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1714 on: October 30, 2015, 02:03:45 pm »
I'm not really sure you can make anything of this, but here are the youngsters results with an 0-2 count (K%)

Schwarber  .146/.176/.354  (57.9)
Soler          .143/.178/.271  (52.9)
Baez           .125/.125/.292  (54.2)
Russell        .191/.221/.270  (50.1)

Rizzo           .210/.228/.266  (32.3)
Bryant         .190/.270/.358  (59.9)

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1715 on: October 30, 2015, 02:30:28 pm »
...... Cubs OPS is awful (.466), but even the Royals are still only .573, and the crafty Cardinals .515.... 


Difference between #1 overall OPS club in NL (Rockies .748) and #15 overall OPS club in NL (Braves .674) was .74. Rockies outscored Braves by 164 runs.

Two-strike OPS difference between Royals and Cubs (.550 to .466) was .84---wider margin than between Rockies and Braves in overall OPS.

So, the two-strike performance spread is a heck of a lot.

This impacts how we view the overall Ks in the Cubs/Mets series too.  It's not just the actual Ks but hitting in bad hitters counts--even if outcome is not a K.  Having to hit in bad hitting counts sucks for hitters. Rizzo is a lifetime .182 hitter with 2 strikes (.537 OPS). The great Miguel Cabrera is a lifetime .230 hitter with two strikes.  Ryne Sandberg was .217 (.617 OPS). Andre Dawson at .218 lifetime (.602 OPS). 

Seemed like too many ABs during course of season in which a Cubs hitter would take a pitch early in count--and I would say to myself "probably going to be best pitch to hit this AB"--and then a poor outcome to AB.  Those are the pitches Cubs hitters need to attack...and put in play more often. Easier said than done. Maybe fouled off too many good pitches to hit too.

Deep counts can be a good thing. But even 3 and 2 isn't a good hitting count because of all the Ks.  Great walking count (30% of 3-2 counts result in walks) but overall NL hitters batted .208 and slugged .334 even at 3 and 2.  Obviously, other two-strike counts were worse.

Said this a million times on the board over the years:  converse of a strikeout is a ball put in play--not an out in some other form.  Put the ball in play and sometimes good things happen.  Not to say that Cubs should emulate Royals:  different ballpark, different core of players.  Yes, Cubs great core is going to K quite a bit but you take that and work around it at open positions and get different profile guys for those spots.  Maybe trade a high K guy or two, other than the key core guys.  More of a balance.  No, don't want crappy low-K guys either but Theo can work with this. 

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1716 on: October 30, 2015, 02:59:08 pm »
So I wanted to see what the besides the difference in OPS what the runs production and strike outs for the Cubs was

Cubs- 689 runs
2 strikes 233 runs, 1518 K's
0 strikes 220 runs
Batter Ahead 243 runs, 234 K's
Even  271 runs, 459 K's
Pitcher Ahead 175 runs, 825 K's

Royals- 724 runs
2 strikes- 239, 973 K
0 strikes- 234 runs
Batter Ahead- 274 runs, 144 K's
Even 264 runs, 257 K's
Pitcher Ahead 186 runs, 572 K's

With 2 strikes 6 runs, with the pitcher ahead 11 runs. 

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1717 on: October 30, 2015, 03:33:06 pm »
Seemed like too many ABs during course of season in which a Cubs hitter would take a pitch early in count--and I would say to myself "probably going to be best pitch to hit this AB"--and then a poor outcome to AB.  Those are the pitches Cubs hitters need to attack...and put in play more often. Easier said than done. Maybe fouled off too many good pitches to hit too.

Deep counts can be a good thing. But even 3 and 2 isn't a good hitting count because of all the Ks.  Great walking count (30% of 3-2 counts result in walks) but overall NL hitters batted .208 and slugged .334 even at 3 and 2.  Obviously, other two-strike counts were worse.

Said this a million times on the board over the years:  converse of a strikeout is a ball put in play--not an out in some other form.  Put the ball in play and sometimes good things happen.  Not to say that Cubs should emulate Royals:  different ballpark, different core of players.  Yes, Cubs great core is going to K quite a bit but you take that and work around it at open positions and get different profile guys for those spots.  Maybe trade a high K guy or two, other than the key core guys.  More of a balance.  No, don't want crappy low-K guys either but Theo can work with this. 

Really good analysis, I thought. And I agree that there seemed to be a lot of times when there was a strike taken early in the count (sometimes first pitch) that looked like a good pitch to hit, and likely to be the only one in that AB.  I would expect that the Cubs leadership noticed all of this and that steps will be taken. We may be surprised by at least one of them. Hope they are successful ones.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1718 on: October 30, 2015, 03:35:38 pm »
Some practical questions:
1.  Can some of the young Cubs improve their pitch recognition?  Probably yes.  Unfamiliar pitcher has advantage.  Cub bats should get better at recognizing deliveries and pitch sequences. 
2.  Can some of the young Cubs improve as 2-strike hitters?  Probably yes, to limited degree.  There are techniques to cut down on swings in unfavorable counts. 
3.  Will some of the young Cubs become less patient earlier in counts?  I think variably yes.  Russell already adjusted in that direction, I think.  A concern of course is that guys will be so afraid of 2-strike counts that they unproductively chase on earlier counts.  But I think some could perhaps expand their "worth-swinging-at" scope earlier in counts to good effect. 
4.  Is there any possibility that if Baez is expected to be a regular starter, that the K-volume and the 2-strike ineffectiveness won't get more pronounced? 

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1719 on: October 30, 2015, 03:48:22 pm »
I think it's preferable for a young hitter to err on the side of patience (ala Bryant) rather than overaggressiveness.  Viewed in that way, it isn't too surprising that they were often in difficult 2-strike counts.  As they gain experience, they will learn to take fewer meatballs early in the count without becoming overaggressive.  That will translate into better postseason success.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1720 on: October 30, 2015, 03:52:32 pm »
Keep in mind that Cubs drew 567 walks in 2015 and Royals drew 383 walks.  That is an enormous # of baserunners to the advantage of Cubs.  And, of course, Cubs outhomer Royals by a lot.

So, the modest difference in runs and counts between these clubs, noted above, is a product of Cubs drawing walks--even in two-strike counts.  So, if Fowler walks on a 3-2 pitch and Rizzo homers, Cubs get "credit" for a 2-strike run.  That is walking, not hitting. Can't emphasize that enough.  Walks are great but.....

It is very good that Cubs draw a lot of walks but lack of good contact hitting profile manifests itself in many ways--such as performance with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. Cubs still draw walks but hit miserably.  Cubs with RISP:  211-333-332.  Royals were 278-356-430.  Even though Royals had fewer 2 outs, RISP situations (725 to 766), Royals outscored Cubs 243 to 199 in these situations.  Royals even have much better iso power than Cubs in these situations.

And, of course, when you face better pitching in post-season, Cubs advantage in walks likely is going to be more modest.  Situational hitting becomes more important than in regular season.  Even the luck factor is advantageous to clubs who are good at putting the ball in play.

So, some can moan and groan about bad hitting luck in NLCS and try to obfuscate what is actually going on, the truth is that ridiculously high Ks is something to avoid, if possible, and 2-strike counts suck. 

Let's keep the homers and walks and do something about the weaker components of the offense.  We know what those are.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1721 on: October 30, 2015, 03:59:46 pm »
So I wanted to see what the besides the difference in OPS what the runs production and strike outs for the Cubs was

Cubs- 689 runs
2 strikes 233 runs, 1518 K's
0 strikes 220 runs
Batter Ahead 243 runs, 234 K's
Even  271 runs, 459 K's
Pitcher Ahead 175 runs, 825 K's

Royals- 724 runs
2 strikes- 239, 973 K
0 strikes- 234 runs
Batter Ahead- 274 runs, 144 K's
Even 264 runs, 257 K's
Pitcher Ahead 186 runs, 572 K's

With 2 strikes 6 runs, with the pitcher ahead 11 runs. 

need to add in PA to make this more meaning full imo.. need to standarize to runs/pa

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« Reply #1722 on: October 30, 2015, 04:18:24 pm »
I think it's preferable for a young hitter to err on the side of patience (ala Bryant) rather than overaggressiveness.  Viewed in that way, it isn't too surprising that they were often in difficult 2-strike counts.  As they gain experience, they will learn to take fewer meatballs early in the count without becoming overaggressive.  That will translate into better postseason success.

Good hitters learn to guess. Guessing pitch type and location and what pitcher is trying to do.  Harder to guess when lack big league experience.  Hitters HAVE to guess.  Pitchers are just too good to just react without a plan of attack for the hitter.  So, patience vs. overaggressiveness, sure, but a lot going on out there.

Greatest hitter of last 75 years was Ted Williams and everybody should listen to Ted Williams when he talked about guessing.  Basic point is that if you're not guessing, you are not applying your accumulated knowledge about the pitcher, the count, the overall hitting situation.  You are just reacting--and that's not good enough. Williams was adamant about hitters learning to guess.

So, when looking at Cubs young hitters, I would like to think that all of them are smart enough and will work hard to become better at guessing.  Bryant, in particular, I'm confident will get better.  He seemed to be fooled a lot and the more he learns, the better he will become at guessing. 

Guessing is just another form of learning to adjust at the big league level.  On the pitcher side of things, Maddux was a master guesser, right?  Had uncanny knack of out-thinking the hitter.  So, Cubs young hitters have to learn to guess better. 

When you see a hitter who is totally clueless, such as Baez in 2014 when he was striking out a 280 K pace, the hitter isn't even in a position to guess.  He is so clueless with his approach, that just reacting virtually 100% of time.  Dead meat.

Of course, good guessing is helped by getting into good hitters counts.  Tough to guess with two strikes.  But, we all have seen what Rizzo does lately there and it's a form of guessing too--the adjustments that he makes.

Sometimes we see a hitter take a good pitch to hit and wonder why.  Often, the hitter just guessed wrong and not ready to take a good swing. It happens--even to Ted Williams.  Lost that one.

Better guessing for Cubs young hitters--with experience and better hitting acumen--maybe those pitches will be hit hard.  Somewhat fewer Ks too by putting ball in play before reaching two-strike counts.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1723 on: October 30, 2015, 04:32:10 pm »
Small Numbers

Cubs
2 Strikes 0.069
Batter Ahead 0.11
Batter Even 0.13
Batter Behind 0.086

Royals
2 strikes 0.085
Ahead 0.137
Even   0.124
Benhind 0.094

Something to consider when comparing these numbers
Cubs pitchers 374 PA .114/.148/.164  .313 OPS
Cubs PH         287 PA .201/.274/.317   .590 OPS
Royals DH       646 PA .287/.353/.477  .830 OPS
Royals PH +P= 67 PA

* Cubs P K'd 151 times.  In 661 PA PH+P Accounted for 230 K (34.8%).  The accounted for 10.7% of Cubs PA and 15.2% of Cub strikeouts.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2015, 04:38:19 pm by CUBluejays »

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1724 on: October 30, 2015, 04:33:45 pm »
....So, some can moan and groan about bad hitting luck in NLCS and try to obfuscate what is actually going on, the truth is that ridiculously high Ks is something to avoid, if possible, and 2-strike counts suck. 

Let's keep the homers and walks and do something about the weaker components of the offense.  We know what those are.

Not sure how possible that's going to be.  Obviously all intertwined.  Hard to know whether there's anything much that can be done about it.  As I noted, I think some of the young guys can probably improve in marginal ways.  But Bryant is always going to K like mad and swing-and-miss a ton.  Baez, whether with us or somebody else, is always going to swing-and-miss a lot and K like made.  I think Russell and Soler each have a chance to reduce the swing-and-miss and their K-rates substantially; but Russell will probably always be a pretty high swing-and-miss guy, even if not necessarily to the Bryant/Baez extreme.  Schwarber may improve some, too, I think, but he's almost certainly going to remain a very high-whiffer too.  I suppose one hope is that some will get more "respect" benefits from ball-strike umps? 

At the team level, they tried to address it by adding a guy like LaStella.  Not sure he's been a big board favorite yet.  Maybe if he's healthy all year next year, we'll end up liking him, hard to guess.  Adding Baez as a season-long guy, perhaps as a regular starter, could amp up the contact issue substantially.  So, in a sense it really should get worse, before it gets better. 

As Ron noted, if down the road Montero and Fowler were gone with Almora and Contreras in their places, those would be some lower-K guys, although Almora also dropping the walks/power/OBP at the same time probably.