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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1170 on: September 29, 2015, 04:49:58 pm »
Cahill will be a free agent at the end of the season.

Only if the Cubs decide not to pick up his option.  His current contract allows team options both this year and next.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1171 on: September 29, 2015, 04:58:56 pm »
How much is the option?

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1172 on: September 29, 2015, 05:05:33 pm »
too much

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« Reply #1173 on: September 29, 2015, 05:34:19 pm »
That's what I assumed.  Can always negotiate a new deal if things work out.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1174 on: September 29, 2015, 05:42:49 pm »
Trevor Cahill was DFAd by Atlanta on 6/15/2015 and signed as a free agent to a minor league contract by the Cubs on 8/18/2015.

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« Reply #1175 on: September 29, 2015, 05:44:01 pm »
Cahill will be a free agent at the end of the season.

There is NO club option on Cahill anymore and he will be a free agent.  See AZ Phil below:

Submitted by Arizona Phil  on Tue, 09/15/2015 - 2:40pm 

Trevor Cahill's 2016 club option buy-out was auitomatically triggered when he was released by Atlanta. So he gets $300K after the season (to be paid either by Arizona or Atlanta, depending on what the teams agreed to do when he traded from AZ to ATL).

The Cubs do not owe Cahill anything beyond the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary they are paying him through the end of the 2015 season, but they also do not have a club option (or buy-out) for 2016. And so Cahill will be an unrestricted Article XX-B MLB FA post-2015.


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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1176 on: September 29, 2015, 11:06:41 pm »
Cameron piece concludes with him wondering if Doug Fister could be a comp for Hendricks.  Interesting because Fister came up repeatedly on the board as Hendricks-upside guy when Hendricks was putting up very good numbers in minors.

Cubs Den wrote a piece today that the Cubs might be interested in Fister.  If the sign him, I might need meds.  A soon to be 32 year pitcher with an 86 mph fastball isn't my idea of improving the rotation.  I think the key with Hendricks is ride him while he is cheap and dump him like the Tigers did when he gets expensive.

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« Reply #1177 on: September 30, 2015, 12:14:14 am »
Think you're going to see lots of Fister rumors around baseball. Starting already. See link below. Good track record pre-2015, no qualifying offer, short-term deal, a month younger than Lester. And, outstanding post-season career performances. GMs well aware of that history.

Ricketts comments about payroll don't exactly inspire confidence that Cubs will offer small fortune to David Price. Would love to be wrong, but don't see it.

Think maybe Cubs bring in two quality starting pitchers, not just one. Maybe one with a stronger track record and another guy with more risk.

Ender Inciarte for CF! Read today that DBacks might be looking to move an OFer this off-season. Inciarte havung strong 2015 season abd pre-arb for 2016.

More Fister:

As the Blue Jays charge towards the postseason, there's a rumor that they could be interested in Washington National's starter Doug Fister this offseason.
Jays Journal · jaysjournal.com

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1178 on: September 30, 2015, 12:19:09 am »
Think you're going to see lots of Fister rumors around baseball. Starting already.

Hey! keep that stuff in Under the Bleachers.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1179 on: September 30, 2015, 01:03:56 am »
Rickett's didn't say a whole lot. If the Cubs don't go after Price it will be more they don't want three expensive pitchers than what they can afford.

Fister fastball is 86 and falling they last two years. Unless they have something to bring it back up to 88-90 he isn't the type of pitcher a contending team should go after. Fister was a guy that works low in the zone and gets ground balls. At 86 that isn't going to work. He will have to pitch up in the zone in an incredibly small area to get weak contact. Let another team feel the pain. Even Maddux reached a point where he couldn't get by at a low velocity.

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« Reply #1180 on: September 30, 2015, 02:51:12 am »
Rickett's didn't say a whole lot. If the Cubs don't go after Price it will be more they don't want three expensive pitchers than what they can afford.


There is no meaningful difference between (1) not wanting three expensive pitchers and (2) can't afford Price. It's fundamentally the same thing:  Price doesn't fit in the payroll(s) Ricketts is giving Theo. if Theo has the payroll money for Price, hard to see where or how it's better spent elsewhere.

Let's see if there is a very significant payroll boost, or not. That's what it will take to sign Price. If there will be, Ricketts playing it close to vest for now.

If you're making point that want to save money for Arrieta's next contract, I've made that point earlier--so agree with that.

Yeah, hard to see how three hugely expensive, long-term pitcher contracts fit into a realistic payroll going forward. Think we'll see something more modest.

Or, I could be wrong and Ricketts gives Theo a big payroll boost right away. That would be great---greater if partly based on Cubs playing into November awash with World Series money and more. 
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1181 on: September 30, 2015, 03:10:04 am »

Fister fastball is 86 and falling they last two years. Unless they have something to bring it back up to 88-90 he isn't the type of pitcher a contending team should go after. Fister was a guy that works low in the zone and gets ground balls. At 86 that isn't going to work. He will have to pitch up in the zone in an incredibly small area to get weak contact. Let another team feel the pain. Even Maddux reached a point where he couldn't get by at a low velocity.

 Fister situation is more complicated than just throwing 88-90.

First, Can't lump together 88-90 velocity, as you do. Fister at 88 is fine. Doesn't need 90. Has rarely been 90 in his career. 86 is another matter. Even though Jered Weaver has done fine at 86.5, tough to do. Fister has been hurt in 2015, so maybe can tick up a bit. Hard to say. But, other stuff too. Fewer ground balls this season hurt him. Walks up a bit. Combo of things, mainly his health. Not just velocity.

Also, don't agree that going from 88 to 86 means that a pitcher has to work up in the zone. Fisher's command was not as good in 2015, along with lower velocity. Just made more poor pitches, not because had to or needed to work higher in zone. Fister is generally trying to induce grounders and commanding bottom of zone. Always has.

Second, signing value depends on several things: contract cost and term; type of defense behind him, where he is expected to fit in rotation. Lots of teams will value him for the right situation. Not saying he's necessarily a good fit for Cubs but would not be surprised if turns out to be good value for somebody at right price and situation.

Not just a black or white thing whether he can get to 88-90.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1182 on: September 30, 2015, 07:14:41 am »
His velocity dropped the year before to 87.8 as well as his strike outs, so it just wasn't this year. He outperformed his peripherals a lot in 2014. That is when the decline started. The slower his fastball gets the easier it is to hit. The easier it gets to hit, the harder contact he will give up. The harder the contact the less ground balls we will get.

Weaver and Young are both pitchers that don't have fastballs and don't strike people out. They do it by working in a small silver of the zone up high. If they miss it gets hit a long way. This just isn't the type of pitcher the Cubs should be going
after.

He averaged 89.6 in 2011 that is why I gave it the range, just getting back to 88 would be fine. I doubt that happens.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1183 on: September 30, 2015, 07:59:22 am »
I wonder if Mike Leake is a guy that the Cubs will target after the season.  That would give them Hammel and Leake in the middle of the rotation, sliding Hendricks to the 5-slot.  Cubs have an option on Hammel for 2017 and would have the flexibility to either sign him for that season or to buy him out and add another quality starter through trade/FA.  The money saved by not signing Price could be profitably used to address other needs (e.g., CF, bullpen).

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1184 on: September 30, 2015, 09:26:49 am »
I think Hendricks would be best sandwiched between Arrieta and Lester...It would probably be best for all three in terms of variance in speeds.  I have lost confidence in Hammel.   I think there would be value in going after a few guys like Iwakuma, Leake, Buehrle, or Chapman (converting him to starter.)