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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1740 on: October 31, 2015, 01:12:44 pm »
Seager's gonna play 3rd, and Urias isn't far off...I'm not sure who says no there...

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1741 on: October 31, 2015, 01:27:11 pm »
Dave, I said LA CALLS, not us.  I also said it was an extreme example. 

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« Reply #1742 on: October 31, 2015, 02:40:20 pm »
Reb, I don't disagree that the Cubs are going to look to decrease K's. I disagree with you about how meaningful the change is going to be.

Let's say the Cubs bring in 2/3 of Span/Heyward/Zobrist. If I read your numbers correctly that would reduce the Cubs K's by 168. Let's give them a BABIP of .330 on those K's now balls in play. I'll round up and say that will add 56 hits. That would be an extra 0.35 hits/game. With a decrease in HR's it is certainly possible that the Cubs could score less runs. Unless you are going to get the Cubs into Royals/Giants territory of K%, it is just making improvements on the margins.

Another way to look at this is you could give the Cubs a hit/inning (single/double/triple) in every games and increase their hit totals by 1,458 and you wouldn't guareentee the Cubs one extra run without proper sequencing.

Not talking about substituting a generic low-K guy for an incumbent more productive high-K guy. Or, put another way, not advocating downgrading a position, overall--including defense-- intentionally.

The guys I mentioned are likely superior WAR players overall and help balance out a weakness in the club's profile. Fine with more Ks than average NL--with homers and walks. Love homers and walks but there is lack of balance on this club. Dwarfed 2nd worst K club. So, when a couple positions become vacant, a good idea to seek replacement guys who profile supporting a more balanced offense.

Point is you can do this without disturbing club's core. You can reduce by 200 Ks. That would make Cubs about 50 Ks more than NL average--which is no problem.

Diversification is good. More ways to score runs. Putting balls in play helps score runs, even without hits. Move baserunners. Score some runs on outs. Put more pressure on defense. Not advocating a small ball offense but rather an offense that can score without a walk and a homer.  So, this is not entirely a matter of counting up hits. Lots of different ways to score runs, rather than being a one-trick pony.

Not advocating giving 700 PAs to Tommy La Stella but there are productive players out there who strike out less than 100 times and when you have positions striking out 165-189 times, why not fill those vacant spots with guys who do some things that your power guys don't do well.


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« Reply #1743 on: October 31, 2015, 02:54:35 pm »
Get a CF. See if you can pry away Kimbrel and Cashner from SD. See what you can do on the FA pitching market. Keep your cheap, team-controlled talent in house.

If the Cubs really don't like how one of Soler, Baez, etc., projects, great, trade them and maximize value. But you can do that without making an enormous commitment to a FA OF. I'd be looking to spend money in house on extensions first.


If Fowler does not accept what is likely to be a very Cub-friendly offer, I suspect the Cubs will simply let him leave without any real effort to sign him.  And if the Cubs do not then find a very lop-sided trade for a CFer, or end up with a rather surprising FA signing, I suspect they will follow the approach you suggest and keep their cheap, team-controlled talent in house and put it in CF until Almora arrives.  As I have said for the last three months, I think there is a very good chance Baez will be used as a utility player in 2016, with a number of starts (perhaps the bulk of the starts for the first three months) in CF.

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« Reply #1744 on: October 31, 2015, 02:55:12 pm »
Other point is that I suspect a more one-dimensional offense, with historically high-Ks, is not a good thing in post-season. Don't want to make too much of Cubs meltdown in Mets series---it's just 4 games--but am big believer in having different ways to score.

Also strongly suspect that the high Ks/lack of contact helped undermine ability to score runs in RISP/2 outs and overall strand rate. Many situations where ball in play could have scored runner on third with less than 2 outs. Too many hittable pitches taken for strikes. Don't want to remake Cubs core into KC offense but surely some lessons to be learned from them and from regrettable Mets NLCS.

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« Reply #1745 on: October 31, 2015, 03:04:12 pm »
I don't get the idea of spending big bucks on a corner OF......I'd be looking to spend money in house on extensions first.

Not sure I'm following.  Trading basically exchanges talent but doesn't add/create talent.  Extending guys doesn't add/create talent. 

If you want to create/add new talent, free agent $$$ provides that opportunity.  Buying a pitcher is the simple, direct path. But if you don't like the age/value/length/talent available for FA pitchers, signing a FA OFer while trading Baez/Soler provides an indirect pathway to convert $$$ into talent, while adding a younger shorter-contract pitcher without weakening your lineup. 

(Also, I'm not sure who we have to extend, other than Fowler and Cahill.  Hammel?  Motte?  Wood?) 

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« Reply #1746 on: October 31, 2015, 03:08:49 pm »
(Also, I'm not sure who we have to extend, other than Fowler and Cahill.  Hammel?  Motte?  Wood?) 

Arietta might be high on the list.

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« Reply #1747 on: October 31, 2015, 03:34:20 pm »
Extending Arietta makes no sense and isn't going to happen this winter.  Completely unrealistic. 

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« Reply #1748 on: October 31, 2015, 04:03:04 pm »
Extending Arietta makes no sense and isn't going to happen this winter.  Completely unrealistic. 

While Boras/Arrieta may not be interested in an extension, it seems to me to make a lot of sense for the Cubs to try to do so. What am I missing?

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« Reply #1749 on: October 31, 2015, 04:37:26 pm »
While Boras/Arrieta may not be interested in an extension, it seems to me to make a lot of sense for the Cubs to try to do so. What am I missing?

The Cubs already control him through what are likely to be his best season. He won't be a free agent until 32.  the Cubs would likely be paying free agent prices for mostly his decline years. CCO also had a bit about the Cubs believing left handed pitchers will age better.

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« Reply #1750 on: October 31, 2015, 04:58:20 pm »
I don't get the idea of spending big bucks on a corner OF

I'm not the biggest fan of this, but I wonder if they question if Soler will ever feel comfortable playing in cold weather?  That and getting a cost controlled pitcher like Carrasco or a Archer and not giving up much more would be the only reason in my head that would make sense.

Another thing that has been is trading the Padres Castro, Hendricks, Villanueva and somebody like Happ or Jimenez for Ross. Too much, too little, just right? If Ross is second pitcher to compliment say Price or Carrasco that would be a pretty fun rotation.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1751 on: October 31, 2015, 05:05:37 pm »
Extending Arrietta makes a lot of sense from the Cubs' perspective - except for the cost.  He may be almost 30 but he has low mileage and won't be carrying a TJS anniversary in a few years.  If it were possible to lock him up for the long-term at a remotely reasonable cost I don't know why you wouldn't do it.  But it's almost certainly not going to be possible.

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« Reply #1752 on: October 31, 2015, 05:19:22 pm »
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1753 on: October 31, 2015, 05:47:42 pm »
Not advocating giving 700 PAs to Tommy La Stella but there are productive players out there who strike out less than 100 times and when you have positions striking out 165-189 times, why not fill those vacant spots with guys who do some things that your power guys don't do well.


The question remains one of which player brings the most to the table and provides the most value to the team.

If someone who K's 180 times a year offers an anticipated WAR of 7, it makes much more sense to add him that someone who K's 80 times a year but offers an anticipated WAR of 4.  If the Cubs had the option of adding high-K (for the time) Mickey Mantle as its CFer for 2016 or low-K Joe DiMaggio in his prime, I would hope the Cubs would go with the 11.2 WAR triple crown Mantle, instead of the 9.1 WAR 56-game hitting streak DiMaggio.

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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
« Reply #1754 on: October 31, 2015, 05:56:53 pm »
Extending Arietta makes no sense and isn't going to happen this winter.  Completely unrealistic. 

Let's just say about the only thing we appear to agree on is how to spell Arietta's name.

It certainly MAY not happen, and may well even be unlikely, but that is more than a bit different from making no sense, that it isn't going to happen, or that it is completely unrealistic.