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I hate to give up Jimenez and Cease, but if you're going to give them up, this is seems to be an excellent return.  Possibly worth another WS or two, although we will likely feel the loss of the prospects down the road.

Only Sale and Kluber have a higher WAR the last 3 years than Quintana in the AL. Not a torp, though.

If by TORP you mean a #1, he's not. If you're giving up Jimenez and Cease, I want a #1.

Jimenez and Cease wouldn't get you a #1 unless it was a rental.  Lester/Quintana is going to be just fine as a 1/2 punch and you still have dollars left to improve the rotation further.

Top of rotation means 1/2, no? Otherwise what's the point of saying TORP in lieu of #1 to begin with? Quintana is a TORP.

High price to pay, but I like the move.

Eloy was going to have trouble breaking into our outfield with the commitments to Schwarber and Heyward, and for a team as full of talent as this is, I'd rather deal an asset like Eloy (who can really only play 2 places) than Happ, who is much more diverse.

Jimenez and Cease wouldn't get you a #1 unless it was a rental.  Lester/Quintana is going to be just fine as a 1/2 punch and you still have dollars left to improve the rotation further.

Lester has an ERA+ of 99, and Quintana 95.  If that is the bet punching power you have, simply pack it in and go home.

Top of rotation means 1/2, no? Otherwise what's the point of saying TORP in lieu of #1 to begin with? Quintana is a TORP.

Quintana's best year was an ERA+ of 126, which is a decent #2, but not even a strong #2, and is not a #1.  And that is he BEST year.  THIS year he has an ERA+ of 95 -- he is not as good as league average.  For his career he has an ERA+ of 115.  To have a good idea of what he is, look at who his closest career comparable pitchers are thru age 27 (which does not include his disappointing 2017 season when he has been 28):
Pete Richert (966.5)
Brandon Webb (962.3)
Denny Lemaster (960.0)
Jon Niese (959.5)
Dick Bosman (957.7)
Bob Knepper (957.6)
Ed Halicki (956.2)
Dave Goltz (954.8 )
Dennis Bennett (954.8 )
Ken Hill (954.6)

If you find any #1 pitchers in there, we clearly have different definitions.  You don't even find strong #2 pitchers.

I thought that Q would bring back more. Happy to have Eloy.  But if you look at this as spending 2.8 million on Eloy and 1.x on Cease... one hell of a purchase 4 million of prospects for a cost controlled top 15 starter.

Oh, puuleeeze.

In 2016, his best season to date, and much better than he is in 2017, he was not in the top ten in the AL in any of the following categories: ERA+; ERA; WAR; FIP; adjusted pitching wins; or win probability added.  Yes he was one of the top 15 starters on the White Sox, but not in the majors, or even in the AL.

High price to pay, but I like the move.

Eloy was going to have trouble breaking into our outfield with the commitments to Schwarber and Heyward, and for a team as full of talent as this is, I'd rather deal an asset like Eloy (who can really only play 2 places) than Happ, who is much more diverse.

Happ is only diverse when you are willing to accept crappy defense.  Limit it to league average defense, and he can not play anywhere.  I am no longer attacking Happ in general, but to say he is "more diverse" in the field is premised on a willingness to accept crappy defense not weak, but Todd Walker quality defense.

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It's too fricking much to pay. In the past year we've dumped Torres, Jimenez and Cease

Guess what else we've done in the past year?